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Title: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2017, 09:53:32 PM
Bruce out.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: lovejoy on August 15, 2017, 09:54:34 PM
Big Sam.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Jimbo on August 15, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
Boot, face...
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: rob_bridge on August 15, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
Fuck him off.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 15, 2017, 09:55:50 PM
Excellent. Huge improvement.  We scored a goal, and I think that is 3-4 points awarded? Or that's what Bruce thinks
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 15, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
I sort of wished we hadn't scored that goal at the end, 2-1 flattered us.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 15, 2017, 09:56:23 PM
We wasted the end of last season.
We wasted Pre-Season.
We've wasted funds.
We've already wasted 3 games.

One week into the season and we are already 8 points off were we want to be.

There should only be one outcome now. We will probably drag it out, leave it to late and end up writing off this season aswell as last season.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 15, 2017, 09:56:38 PM
Out.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 15, 2017, 09:57:02 PM
He just needs time, his own players, a pre season, a new hat for his dog

Gone tonight the useless oaf
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: clash city rocker on August 15, 2017, 09:57:21 PM
No taxi for Bruce just BFH.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 15, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Bruce out

Fat Sam please
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 15, 2017, 09:57:36 PM
BRUCE OUT!
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 15, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
Another shit sandwich served with an excess of diarrhea sauce.

Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2017, 09:58:07 PM
Steve Bruce's away record in the league:

Reading 1-2 Villa
SHA 1-1 Villa
Brighton 1-1 Villa
Leeds 2-0 Villa
Norwich 1-0 Villa
QPR 0-1 Villa
Cardiff 1-0 Villa
Wolves 1-0 Villa
Brentford 3-0 Villa
Forest 2-1 Villa
Newcastle 2-0 Villa
Rotherham 0-2 Villa
Huddersfield 1-0 Villa
Wigan 0-2 Villa
Burton 1-1 Villa
Fulham 3-1 Villa
Blackburn 1-0 Villa
Cardiff 3-0 Villa
Reading 2-1 Villa

P19 W4 D3 L12 Scored 13 goals.

I rest my case m'lud.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
Shame but has to go
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: villabear on August 15, 2017, 09:58:39 PM
He can come out and say what he wants but it's his team, his tactics and it's shite.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: l_mckay on August 15, 2017, 09:58:39 PM
Always going to be a tough game but what another pathetic performance.  Next manager please....
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2017, 09:58:52 PM
Two transfer windows and I think 11 players brought in, all of which look terrible.

That's enough for me.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: brian green on August 15, 2017, 09:59:06 PM
Not unexpected.  70% predicted a defeat.  That is how bad we are.  We expect to lose to Reading.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 15, 2017, 09:59:22 PM
I sort wish we hadn't scored that goal at the end, 2-1 flattered us.

That goal could keep us up.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 15, 2017, 09:59:33 PM
Can't believe we're having to go through this shit again.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: paul_e on August 15, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
we need 2 points a game to get an automatic spot, after 3 games we're already 5 points short of the pace so we need the next 5 just to catch up to where we want to be.  There's absolutely no excuse for us looking this poor so early in the season, Bruce has to go.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: steamer on August 15, 2017, 09:59:45 PM
Tough call for Dr Tony
Nobody wants to accept two mistakes in a short time.
Who the fuck is advising him.

Stick or twist, either way could go wrong.
Personally, Good night Stevie.
Decent Guy, but we have been cursed with decent guys who are crap managers.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 15, 2017, 10:00:58 PM
Tertiary piles with a side of prolapse
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2017, 10:03:31 PM
big improvement tonight

think the corner has been turned

feel much better after the game
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: villadelph on August 15, 2017, 10:04:49 PM
unfortunately, my prediction was correct.

can't believe we're gonna be stuck in this division another year.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: paul_e on August 15, 2017, 10:04:52 PM
Tough call for Dr Tony
Nobody wants to accept two mistakes in a short time.
Who the fuck is advising him.

Stick or twist, either way could go wrong.
Personally, Good night Stevie.
Decent Guy, but we have been cursed with decent guys who are crap managers.


Not getting rid of him at the end of last season is the biggest mistake of the lot, he was rushed in to push for the playoffs and couldn't even make the top half, he never should've been given the summer to fuck us up more.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: itbrvilla on August 15, 2017, 10:04:53 PM
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Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 15, 2017, 10:05:03 PM
big improvement tonight

think the corner has been turned

feel much better after the game

You've been watching the Liverpool match, haven't you?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: in exile on August 15, 2017, 10:05:43 PM
I feel quite sick
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
I like him

he talks a good game

his football is bollocks
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 15, 2017, 10:07:13 PM
After the Cardiff thrashing it should have been easy to motivate these players many of which are the most expensive players in this league. He couldn't. They couldn't even string together a a few passes because he lost the formation duel and didn't change it the whole game.

All of the above would be terrible if we had just lost in the Premier League , the fact its the bloody Championship against sodding Reading makes it simply a firing offense.

Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 15, 2017, 10:07:39 PM
Has he gone yet ?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2017, 10:08:26 PM
The problem isn't just that is not right, it's the degree to which it isn't right.

It's all very, very wrong.

Get shot now, this clearly isn't going to improve.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 15, 2017, 10:08:35 PM
Embarrassing, fucking Reading played us off the park most of the game, Reading.

Our support was fucking marvellous, they don't deserve them.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2017, 10:09:29 PM
It all feels like the last days of RDM. Bad and getting worse. Have to get rid ASAP
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: myf on August 15, 2017, 10:09:33 PM
Season over. See ya Bruce. So tired of new managers every 6 months.

Truly a national laughing stock
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: BC Villain on August 15, 2017, 10:10:29 PM
Don't go along with sacking managers every few months, but can't persevere with something that clearly isn't working just for the sake of it.  You could almost be forgiven for thinking the players are trying to get Bruce the sack after watching that.

That performance smacked of a manager who knows he's running out of time and ran out of ideas well before then.  Look at Wolves.  A manager and new team in place for a few weeks, yet they have a pattern of play, know their jobs and are confident in what they do.  We cobble together an "all-star" Championship line up with a couple of "big name" old heads in and hope it works.  It isn't.

There's no plan, no identity, the players don't seem to know what their supposed to be doing.

The jury was still out on Bruce at the end of last season, as I thought he deserved a Summer to add a bit of steel and organise us over a pre-season.  However, we look even worse now. 
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: maigrait on August 15, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
The players cant be arsed. Maybe we arent paying them enough.....
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
Paulie is right, there's zero indication it can or will improve. We still leak goals, we still create little, we rarely score, we get out passed by everyone we play. It's why I was so vociferous at the end of last season and during pre-season. Even when we were winning it pretty much the same 'style'. We have not improved in any department after 40 games (including cup games) under Bruce. I wasn't expecting us to turn into Barcelona when we appointed him but I expected a lot better than this.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2017, 10:12:46 PM
Some "bird", like they know anything, put on facebook..... "Everyone seems to be having a go about the manager but they don't think about how many games we are playing in a few days. The players are knackered don't have time so they can re chager them selves. So all you people blaming the manager have a think about the matches that Villa have."

She is now getting obliterated! :)
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: CT on August 15, 2017, 10:14:09 PM
SB sounded quite upbeat at times in that interview!

Amazing what scoring a goal can do for confidence.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 15, 2017, 10:15:03 PM
No reaction from Saturday tells me the players don't know the plan or have stopped playing for the manager and his coaches.

I cannot remember a game with Bruce where we have dominated the opposition apart from Brighton away maybe.

Quick decision needed to salvage anything from the season.

Not good enough.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 15, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
The problem isn't just that is not right, it's the degree to which it isn't right.

It's all very, very wrong.

Get shot now, this clearly isn't going to improve.

The apathy in every aspect of our play tonight was just upsetting. That was a relegated side going through the motions.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
Bruce out!
Japp Stam in!

Much better manager . Has Dutch courage.
I think he also deserves respect for not throwing on bacuna to rub  things in .

I think getting stam in would be a masterstroke it's only chance of promotion.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
every Bruce interview starts now with

of course we are disappointed


Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on August 15, 2017, 10:17:46 PM
Woeful. Again.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 15, 2017, 10:17:59 PM
I like him

he talks a good game

his football is bollocks


Succinct.
 
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
every Bruce interview starts now with

of course we are disappointed



He goes again.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2017, 10:19:15 PM
Their second goal was embarrassing to watch. Aside the last 10 minutes when scored a goal and tried to score another one, it was awful.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 15, 2017, 10:20:06 PM
If Bruce goes then Wyness has to go too. I supported Bruce's appointment but I can't believe how poor he has been. His previous promotions were all in very difficult circumstances with a fraction of the budget he has with us. Where are his clever signings ala Valencia or Palacious? Where is the semblance of team building?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: clash city rocker on August 15, 2017, 10:20:14 PM
It depresses me to think that right now Fat Sam would feel like a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 15, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
Their second goal was embarrassing to watch. Aside the last 10 minutes when scored a goal and tried to score another one, it was awful.

It was, Reading were walking into our box without us even making a challenge.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2017, 10:22:03 PM
He's saying the same stuff now after every match. It's all "unfortunate" to him, like we're always unlucky!!!

He's too fucking soft.

Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 15, 2017, 10:22:39 PM
Every other team seems full of young eager hungry players who can do the basics without resorting to hoofball. We are just crap. My ticket for the Norwich game in four days still hasn't turned up yet and right this minute tonight I couldn't give a stuff. I honestly think we've shot ourselves in the foot already this season with the signings we've made and the style of play we seem to persist with and  and its going to be a season to forget.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2017, 10:22:57 PM
It depresses me to think that right now Fat Sam would feel like a breath of fresh air.

and the local shop near Villa Park will be happy with chewing gum sales
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
The whole club is a fucking shambles. Can't get season tickets to people four months after they paid for them, struggling to get their new ticket site working, a manager who hasn't got a fucking clue what is going on around him as he fails to realise it is not 2000 any more...

Fucking mess.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2017, 10:24:04 PM
He's mentioned Newcastle losing their 2 games on two occasions now....he's really clutching.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2017, 10:24:19 PM
Top video for his interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: villadelph on August 15, 2017, 10:24:53 PM
Aston Villa are getting rolled on in the second division for two years running
Gareth Barry is on his way to west brom
Albrighron has a PL medal
Our club has the value of Neymar's left arm..

Football makes me sick
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Billy Walker on August 15, 2017, 10:26:40 PM
Big Sam has retired, he's burnt out - just like Bruce seems to be.  If we make a change let's go for someone young and hungry like the Fulham boss.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: not3bad on August 15, 2017, 10:26:44 PM
every Bruce interview starts now with

of course we are disappointed




Did he mention missing that little bit of quality?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
every Bruce interview starts now with

of course we are disappointed




Did he mention missing that little bit of quality?
Yep, he made sure we all knew that Mile and Kodjia were still out but apparently we created enough chances to get something from tonight.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: myf on August 15, 2017, 10:29:58 PM
It's difficult to comprehend how things just keep getting worse.  I really thought Bruce would build a hard to beat and organised team, especially after spending a kings ransom, but we look more disorganised and softer than ever.

Terry appointment looking like another expensive disaster
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: clash city rocker on August 15, 2017, 10:32:40 PM
We created enough chances to get something tonight Steve?  Well in your eyes we may have done but actually we got fuck all..jack shit. .nothing. sweet felicity arkwright. Zilch.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 15, 2017, 10:32:57 PM
Like lots of others based on his success at this level I welcomed him. Lots on here at weekend said that good players crumble wen they get a villa shirt on for some reason. Biggest club Bruce been at, maybe he's struggling too with size of it and expectation .
As for players brought in, isn't that more STEVE Rounds territory than Bruce ?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2017, 10:33:56 PM
Top video for his interview https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos

Jesus, deluded fool.

"We are where we are" is the saying of a charlatan.  He really must have been watching a different game, as we were massively second best in all departments.  I hope he isn't in charge for Norwich.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: olaftab on August 15, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Bruce out.
YES
Big Sam.
NO
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ClarrieBlue on August 15, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
every Bruce interview starts now with

of course we are disappointed




Did he mention missing that little bit of quality?
Yep, he made sure we all knew that Mile and Kodjia were still out but apparently we created enough chances to get something from tonight.
I was an SB believer but it's not just about tonight is it. We seem no better in any way than when he arrived. Just much lighter in the pockets,
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 15, 2017, 10:35:08 PM
He hasn't had 3 games, he's had 40. This is his squad and his team but we've shown no improvement and we're no better than under RDM. In fact, the last two games are worse than anything I saw under McLeish. Tonight there was just nothing there; unable to keep possession, unable to string two passes together, no pace, no cohesion, no pressing, no intensity, no fitness, clueless, gutless, spineless, cowardly. I wanted him to do well and I wanted to be patient and give him time this season, but by then it will be too late. We're already 8 points behind Wolves ffs. Sorry to say but, Bruce Out.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 15, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
We created enough chances to get something tonight Steve?  Well in your eyes we may have done but actually we got fuck all..jack shit. .nothing. sweet felicity arkwright. Zilch.

Did he actually say that? Despite being totally outplayed, getting something isint good enough.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on August 15, 2017, 10:38:21 PM
Agent Bruce. You have been rumbled. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 15, 2017, 10:41:09 PM
According to Bruce our home form last season was "exceptionally decent". So we shouldn't have any worries for Saturday.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2017, 10:44:49 PM
i knew Bruce's football would be dull but a 1-0 winning dull not a one win in nine games dull.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: paul_e on August 15, 2017, 10:45:57 PM
I honestly couldn't watch to the end of that interview, the bloke is an absolute bullshitter, talking about it being bad luck and babbling about missing 6-7 one-on-ones as if it isn't something that we could work on in fucking training.  I know some people think he's a decent bloke but I honestly don't, he's a useless fucker who  just tries to say the right things to stop the fans turning on him but does nothing to address any of the problems because he hasn't got a fucking clue how to do it.

I really don't give a shit about his record before he came here, it does nothing to fix the problems and turn us around.

Tonight was a disgrace of a performance that was every bit as bad as Cardiff, being that shit 2 games running isn't bad luck no matter how often he tries to say it is.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: clash city rocker on August 15, 2017, 10:46:08 PM
Let's face it Bruce couldn't motivate a bloke to get a hard on if he had half a dozen naked beauties lay on his bed. Fuck of Bruce i'm going to bed as I have to be up at 4 to earn just an average wage..bollocks  to you.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: adrenachrome on August 15, 2017, 10:49:40 PM
The whole club is a fucking shambles. Can't get season tickets to people four months after they paid for them, struggling to get their new ticket site working, a manager who hasn't got a fucking clue what is going on around him as he fails to realise it is not 2000 any more...

Fucking mess.

At the risk of using a cliché, we are in free fall.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 15, 2017, 10:50:59 PM
It's all very well saying we miss Kodjia and Jedinak, but the point is that we shouldn't. Doesn't he see that complaining about one or two absences shows him up to be a piss-poor, one dimensional timewaster? If he was any good those players coming back would be a bonus, not a necessity.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 15, 2017, 10:51:04 PM
I honestly couldn't watch to the end of that interview

Same here, I had to turn it off. Fed up of hearing the same bollocks game after game while he looks sorry for himself and then seeing the same shit played out next game.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: jwarry on August 15, 2017, 10:58:19 PM
Don't get to see many games in the flesh these days but went tonight as I live in Reading. Reading fans I know were wary before tonight but I really don't know what they were worried about.  I was really quite shocked how appalling we were. We made Reading look like Barcelona. 

I don't claim to be very knowledgable about tactics but it was as plain as the hole in your arse that Reading play it around at the back and we just needed to push up and get at them. We never did until the last 5 mins. I can only assume because Bruce thought they might pick a way through if we pushed up too far, but what was staggering was that we retreated even further and allowed them to play it around at the back in our own half!  Undurprisingly they grew in confidence with the inevitable consequences.

I honestly feel numb after watching that. I would like to blame the players and don't get me wrong there were a few dire performances (Chester, Hourihane, Whelan to name few) but it's down to one bloke.  Only two possibly three players deserve any credit. Green was excellent and it won't be long before a better club takes him off our hands and De Lait who inexplicably was substituted!

I'm not one for calling for the managers head and I saw good in the likes of Garde and Sherwood who could occasionally muster a tune out of a rabble, but I have seen nothing from Bruce to give even the slightest bit of optimism. He has to go.

I went with my wife who is Reading fan and even she was shocked by how bad we were. Says it all
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 15, 2017, 11:02:00 PM
Bruce thinks we were unlucky to lose. Yes really. That's why he should go, he thinks that performance was ok and unlucky. We were absolutely horrendous.

Complaining about missing two players when he's spent more than any pretty much any other team in the league. How much have Cardiff and Reading spent in the past 12 months? Yet they both beat us comfortably and looked far, far better than us.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: auntiesledd on August 15, 2017, 11:04:32 PM
I haven't posted on here since the fag-end of last season. I didn't know what to say about the forthcoming campaign that wasn't filled with fear of more doom & gloom engulfing this great club, so I decided to keep schtum (apart from the Terry debacle - which had the predictable outcome). But here we are again, with the decline showing no sign of abating; a bunch of overpaid wasters that somehow continue to surprise us with their almost-laughable ineptitude whenever they pull on the once-famous claret & blue; and a manager that was brought in for his expertise in gaining promotion to the Premier League: only to turn this club into the latest incarnation of a big-spending failure that's now in real danger of slipping haplessly into Palookaville. Bruce HAS to go, but who's next for the poisoned chalice? I sincerely hope it'll be 3rd time lucky for our glorious owner. His 5-year-plan for global domination looks about as likely as any of our players being able to control a ball and not give it straight to the opposition. Utter shithouse. And then some.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2017, 11:05:24 PM
De Laet has been out for a long time which is probably why he was subbed towards the end in fairness.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2017, 11:09:36 PM
De Laet has been out for a long time which is probably why he was subbed towards the end in fairness.

That's fair enough, but 2-0 down and bringing on Hutton?  He could have stuck Bjarnason at right back, and then pushed Adomah up.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
Just got back to the hotel post match. I am beyond past Bruce now. Absolutely abysmal.
So negative in every sense and a million miles from even being a mid table side.
The management on record as saying we need to be aiming for 80 goals thus season to even stand a chance of being into the correct positions come season end.
What are they watching!? If we stick we Bruce we won't score 80'even if we include last seasons Tally!
He has to go and hopefully before the weekend! This is not going to be turned around anytime soon under his negative helm.
Why even at 2-0 with the need to replace de laet (Match fitnes) did he not put adomah on as a last throw of the dice? 
Guy is a dead man walking now,
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Merses Left Foot on August 15, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
New poster here, but long time lurker and poster elsewhere  :-X my tuppence on that tonight's it purely reaffirms the garbage we got served up on Saturday, Bruce has (as he's alluded to) found a job too far/big for him, call it what you wish. I hoped standing there in that soulless stadium tonight that Reading would score a couple more to seal the coffin, disgraceful thoughts I know. We've gotta look to save our season right now, we've no clue, no plan, no hope as it stands. Oh and sort Gabby and Hutton out in any severance package please to give a complete fresh start. Sorry for the rant as a first post but hey...timing!
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: The Edge on August 15, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Every other team seems full of young eager hungry players who can do the basics without resorting to hoofball. We are just crap. My ticket for the Norwich game in four days still hasn't turned up yet and right this minute tonight I couldn't give a stuff. I honestly think we've shot ourselves in the foot already this season with the signings we've made and the style of play we seem to persist with and  and its going to be a season to forget.
Style of play? We can only dream of having anything like a style of play under Bruceosaurus.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: The Edge on August 15, 2017, 11:32:42 PM
every Bruce interview starts now with

of course we are disappointed




Did he mention missing that little bit of quality?
Yep, he made sure we all knew that Mile and Kodjia were still out but apparently we created enough chances to get something from tonight.
Yeah right. Is he forgetting or didn't he notice that mighty Cardiff & Reading created enough chances between them to make our goal difference look like a telephone number?
He's nothing but a not so smooth talkin as he likes to think, gold plated bullshitter.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2017, 11:39:41 PM
The opposition have had more shots than us in every game so far this season, including Colchester.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on August 15, 2017, 11:41:04 PM
Bruce out

Fat Sam please
He gave up the Palace job because he wanted to retire. Why would he change his mind? For the "challenge"? What a challenge!
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2017, 11:42:27 PM
The opposition have had more shots than us in every game so far this season, including Colchester.

Please stop! ;)
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 15, 2017, 11:43:41 PM
The opposition have had more shots than us in every game so far this season, including Colchester.

He's approaching every game as if we are under dogs playing a team two divisons above us.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 15, 2017, 11:44:57 PM
Bruce out

Fat Sam please
He gave up the Palace job because he wanted to retire. Why would he change his mind? For the "challenge"? What a challenge!

What a challenge indeed.  We are fast approaching becoming the football equivalent of that nightspot that no matter how many name changes and refurbs it has, no one can seem to make work. 
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 15, 2017, 11:56:48 PM
I dont give our recent managers including Bruce any such credit. The Villa job is not a huge challenge, its not a miracle turn around story. We have the most expensive squad in this league and we spent more than enough in the Premier League as well.

Succeeding at getting Aston Villa promoted would not be a massive achievement for anyone. It should be the minimum expected level of competency.

Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 15, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
i'm surprised that Green is getting praised (or at least, not being criticised) by some. Not only did he miss the 1-on-1, some of his crosses were worse than anything Hutton's been slated for in the past.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: adrenachrome on August 16, 2017, 12:01:05 AM
Bruce out

Fat Sam please
He gave up the Palace job because he wanted to retire. Why would he change his mind? For the "challenge"? What a challenge!

What a challenge indeed.  We are fast approaching becoming the football equivalent if that nightspot that no matter how many name changes and refurbs it has, no one can seem to make work. 

Agreed.

But he has a massive ego. He might think it would be a fitting finale to his career to accomplish what many if not most in the game consider an impossible task.

Then there is the dosh, and although he surely doesn't need it, he may well fancy it based on recent history.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 16, 2017, 12:11:30 AM
The scary part is he's now entered Paul Lambert territory of thinking we deserved something from the game because we gave it a go for 5 minutes. Whilst conveniently forgetting we were played off the park the other 85.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 16, 2017, 12:12:47 AM
i'm surprised that Green is getting praised (or at least, not being criticised) by some. Not only did he miss the 1-on-1, some of his crosses were worse than anything Hutton's been slated for in the past.

Fair point. One cross in the 2nd half was worthy of a stewards enquiry. The first half miss was utter wank.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: arnie66 on August 16, 2017, 12:15:04 AM
Just back from the game.

Was Hogan injured ?

Did their first cross the line ?

Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2017, 12:18:44 AM
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Aston Villa manager Steve Bruce urged the club's fans to stick by the team after they lost 2-1 at Reading and vowed he would be a success if given enough time.

The defeat extended Villa's winless Sky Bet Championship run to three matches at the start of the season.

Jeered throughout by sections of their 4,000 travelling fans, Villa offered little in a poor first-half showing and found themselves 2-0 down when a defence containing former England captain John Terry conceded twice early in the second period.

Midfielder Glenn Whelan was credited with an own goal after unluckily deflecting in a Adrian Popa's cross in the 49th minute. Modou Barrow tapped in his first goal for Reading six minutes later.

Conor Hourihane gave Villa hope, when volleying home in the 87th minute, but Reading held on comfortably.

"I'm the manager of Aston Villa and I expect the fans to boo," Bruce said. "The results aren't what they expect and I can understand their frustration. They've paid their hard-earned money to come and see the team perform and win.

"My message to them is: I've been here many, many times and been successful at every Championship club I've been to. I've been able to get them promoted and, given time, I'll do it again.

"Now, whether I'm given that time, that's not for me to answer. But I sincerely hope so. It's a big job and I'm still in the middle of rebuilding it.

"I've got to get results, we're in a results business, I understand that. I'm under no illusions that we'll get them. But we need them quicker than we're getting them at the moment.

"It was disappointing tonight because I didn't think we deserved to lose. I was pleased with our response (to going behind), we could have gone under, but we still could have got something from the game."
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2017, 12:19:34 AM
Highlights in case anyone is interested http://www.skysports.com/football/reading-vs-a-villa/374653
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 16, 2017, 12:19:44 AM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


So the end of last season we have a good defence and we rely on Kod, Bruce has all summer knowing that he'll be without him for a while and to come up with a plan. we end up with Hogan, samba, and Admoah up front, and we replace baker for terry. fuck off mate
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2017, 12:42:53 AM
Just back from the game.

Was Hogan injured ?

Did their first cross the line ?

Yes, believe they're saying it's his ankle.

Yes, it was awful.

Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Des Little on August 16, 2017, 12:45:51 AM
Same ankle as last season? If it is he's out for some time.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 16, 2017, 12:46:57 AM
Just back, having travelled not too far for my first game in a few years, having sat in the home end with a couple of mates who are Reading fans.  I have to say, that performance was utterly shit, devoid of any method, pattern, pace or movement. How Bruce could think we did not deserve to lose that game is beyond me.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2017, 12:51:00 AM
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"Now, whether I'm given that time, that's not for me to answer. But I sincerely hope so. It's a big job and I'm still in the middle of rebuilding it.

Sorry, Steve, nice chap that you are but please FUCK OFF. Middle of rebuilding? You are seriously taking the piss.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2017, 12:53:57 AM
We've had some embarrassing stats etc these last 5 years or so, I can't think of one worse though than after about half an hour Reading had 246 successful passes, we had 23.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2017, 01:06:05 AM
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"Now, whether I'm given that time, that's not for me to answer. But I sincerely hope so. It's a big job and I'm still in the middle of rebuilding it.

Sorry, Steve, nice chap that you are but please FUCK OFF. Middle of rebuilding? You are seriously taking the piss.

Middle of rebuilding would suggest some signs of improvement, but things are getting worse. 
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2017, 01:07:59 AM
We've had some embarrassing stats etc these last 5 years or so, I can't think of one worse though than after about half an hour Reading had 246 successful passes, we had 23.

That was true? I saw that in the match thread and didn't think it was even feasible.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2017, 01:11:56 AM
We've had some embarrassing stats etc these last 5 years or so, I can't think of one worse though than after about half an hour Reading had 246 successful passes, we had 23.

That was true? I saw that in the match thread and didn't think it was even feasible.

By half time it was 366-75 and we'd jumped from 13% possession to 23% so I'd say that's probably spot on.  I also reckon that half of those were in the first minutes.  If we completed 15 passes from the 5th minute to the 30th I'd be surprised, it was practically an exhibition match at that point with us playing with 11 men in our own 3rd and them knocking it about looking for gaps.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2017, 01:13:22 AM
Apparently so. I find it hard to believe as well but seen screenshots of the stats on sites.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 16, 2017, 01:24:41 AM
Just back to West Dorset. I'm not sure I've seen two worse back to back away performances in the 40 years I've been watching the Villa. Just where do we go from here?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 16, 2017, 01:25:59 AM
I watched it. Seems true from what I saw.

And again not to labour the point but this was against that football powerhouse of...Reading.

Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2017, 01:35:19 AM
I assume this is legit


(http://thumb.ibb.co/fsWA6a/01.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fsWA6a)

image upload (http://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2017, 01:40:47 AM
"Yeah but as long as we win..".

Is this the bottom of our barrel? Can things realistically get any worse?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: KRS on August 16, 2017, 03:25:35 AM
Highlights in case anyone is interested http://www.skysports.com/football/reading-vs-a-villa/374653
Well that was both painful and embarrassing to watch how pathetic we have become. The whole of that midfield should be ashamed of themselves with some of the antics going that was going on...is it any wonder the defence are constantly under pressure when the midfield in front of them is so ineffective at doing anything. Also playing Gabby is as good as playing with 10 men as he contributes fuck all, and both himself and Whelan don't look match fit unless they naturally look overweight in a football kit.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: manic-road on August 16, 2017, 06:38:06 AM
i'm surprised that Green is getting praised (or at least, not being criticised) by some. Not only did he miss the 1-on-1, some of his crosses were worse than anything Hutton's been slated for in the past.

Fair point. One cross in the 2nd half was worthy of a stewards enquiry. The first half miss was utter wank.

Missed a sitter against Hull and should have put the early chance away last night, not impressed with him so far.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: The Edge on August 16, 2017, 07:12:37 AM
Green and Hogan are following in the Gabby school of finishing a 1on 1. Head down don't look up., make no attempt to go round the keeper with a deft drop of the shoulder. Then when the keeper has totally narrowed the angles kick the ball straight at him and hope for a bit of luck. Honestly it's garbage. Gabbys been getting away with that crap for years.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Matt Collins on August 16, 2017, 07:16:24 AM
Green has the excuse of nerves and we know hogan can finish

Gabby's always been shit at one on ones
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2017, 07:44:46 AM
Highlights in case anyone is interested http://www.skysports.com/football/reading-vs-a-villa/374653
Well that was both painful and embarrassing to watch how pathetic we have become. The whole of that midfield should be ashamed of themselves with some of the antics going that was going on...is it any wonder the defence are constantly under pressure when the midfield in front of them is so ineffective at doing anything. Also playing Gabby is as good as playing with 10 men as he contributes fuck all, and both himself and Whelan don't look match fit unless they naturally look overweight in a football kit.

Not a Gabby fan in the slightest but he contributed a fine assist last night. Whelan looked awful in the highlights and seemed scared stiff to get tight to opposition players. We need a midfielder with courage to show for the ball at all times to get us playing. That certainly isn't Glenn Whelan.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2017, 07:54:39 AM
Highlights in case anyone is interested http://www.skysports.com/football/reading-vs-a-villa/374653

Not to single him out, but Whelan yet again looks like he is wading in quicksand in some of those later clips. 
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: KRS on August 16, 2017, 08:06:02 AM
You know it's really bad when 3 of our players are stood around a Reading player in our box just pointing and not making an attempt to make a challenge! Hourihane is also very lucky that he's not very good at tackling otherwise that would have been a straight red card if he connected with their player in the first half.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2017, 08:10:08 AM
Green has the excuse of nerves and we know hogan can finish

Gabby's always been shit at one on ones

Their right full back was terrified of Green all through the match. Sure he's not the finished article and his crossing and finishing needs work, but he was the only positive for me last night and is the last person we should be criticising, although it doesn't seem to stop `Bruce having a go for blaming the result on him missing the early chance
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 16, 2017, 08:15:14 AM
Highlights in case anyone is interested http://www.skysports.com/football/reading-vs-a-villa/374653

Not to single him out, but Whelan yet again looks like he is wading in quicksand in some of those later clips.

Sadly the game passed him by almost entirely.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Villa Lew on August 16, 2017, 08:16:51 AM
Reports in the Daily and Birmingham Mails today, are we're interested in signing Jack Wilshere, which would be a great signing for us, but unfortunately can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: baddowvillans on August 16, 2017, 08:19:31 AM
Just been reading some of the comments on the DM (I know) report of the game and theres a lot accusng Villa supporters of being deluded because of Steve Bruce out sentiments. Ok im biased but anyone reading these pages over the last 5 years or attending games knows how amazingly tolerant we've been.  We know we have no right to be promoted but we expect a club with the resources we have to be making a damn sight better attempt at it than this team is doing under Bruce
 


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Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on August 16, 2017, 08:21:33 AM
One other thing - apart from being passed off the park AGAIN - every player back for every corner and Reading players still had free headers , one of which led to their second goal.


Oh - and is Hourihane the only player in the team who can take a free kick ??

I think last night has done for me - he should have gone at the end of last season .
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: frank black on August 16, 2017, 08:21:54 AM
Highlights in case anyone is interested http://www.skysports.com/football/reading-vs-a-villa/374653

Not to single him out, but Whelan yet again looks like he is wading in quicksand in some of those later clips. 

I know, I didn't realise he was playing until he scored. Looks like Chelsea and Stoke can tell when their players are past it.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Ads on August 16, 2017, 08:24:20 AM
You know it's really bad when 3 of our players are stood around a Reading player in our box just pointing and not making an attempt to make a challenge! Hourihane is also very lucky that he's not very good at tackling otherwise that would have been a straight red card if he connected with their player in the first half.

He's a decent tackler. It was a lunge out of frustration at the obvious foul on him that wasn't given.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Lescottstweets on August 16, 2017, 08:24:42 AM
When Bruce has them out in training, I wonder if he actually pays attention or trains them. None of them know how to pass, their first touch is abysmal (seriously, trapping the ball isn't hard) and not one of them has any vision or footballing brain to make opportunities. We have one of the most, if not the most expensive squad in the Championship with nothing to show for it. We can't even do the basics and as for keeping possession? I've seen under 7 teams do better!!! Bruce has to go
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: olaftab on August 16, 2017, 08:27:28 AM
Oh - and is Hourihane the only player in the team who can take a free kick ??
No Hourihane isn't the only player who CAN'T take a free kick we have lots of others who are useless deadball kickers.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 16, 2017, 08:29:56 AM
What a load of fucking rubbish. We managed to miss all 3 goals as well.....
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 16, 2017, 08:37:47 AM
Reports in the Daily and Birmingham Mails today, are we're interested in signing Jack Wilshere, which would be a great signing for us, but unfortunately can't see it happening.

Another square peg in a round hole, he'd be injured 3 games in 5, just what we need.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Perthvillan on August 16, 2017, 08:51:31 AM
I didn't receive my ticket in the mail for the game although I paid for it on line two weeks ago.
I had a hell of a time getting in to the stadium last night after finally getting a duplicate ticket from the Reading ticket office.
Got in just in time to see Green miss that one on one with the keeper.
We were flattered by that 2-1 score line it could have been a lot more and Reading were taking the piss with us when it was 2-0, embarrassing.
When Bruce brought on Hutton to save the game, that summed it up for me, clueless he gotta go.
I was proud to be amongst that travelling support though, magnificent but we deserve so much better.
I read that Bruce thought we didn't deserve to lose, he must have been watching a different game to the rest of us.
I too still have not received my ticket for the Norwich game.
I'm probably going to have go through the same crap to see the game on Saturday.
We have become a shambles off the field as on it.
Sort it out Villa.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: KRS on August 16, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
Just been reading some of the comments on the DM (I know) report of the game and theres a lot accusng Villa supporters of being deluded because of Steve Bruce out sentiments. Ok im biased but anyone reading these pages over the last 5 years or attending games knows how amazingly tolerant we've been.  We know we have no right to be promoted but we expect a club with the resources we have to be making a damn sight better attempt at it than this team is doing under Bruce
I'm pretty sure we'll be criticised by sections of the media if we sack Bruce so early into his tenure, but most of the media and fans of other clubs are ignorant to the facts as they only see a glimpse from the outside and don't know what happens from game to game. No doubt Bruce will play the sympathy card, the former Blose boss connections will rear its head again, and we'll continue to be the most "fickle" fans in the country.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 16, 2017, 08:54:19 AM
Took my 8 year old son to his 4th away game last night. All 4 have been defeats, by Bristol City, Preston, Cardiff and Reading.

He doesn't really want to go away any more. Unfortunately I now feel the same. I can't justify the expense and time taken to repeatedly watch such rubbish.

Not heard Bruce's interview but if he really said we were unlucky then he's reaching Lambert levels of delusion.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 16, 2017, 08:56:10 AM
Oh - and is Hourihane the only player in the team who can take a free kick ??
No Hourihane isn't the only player who CAN'T take a free kick we have lots of others who are useless deadball kickers.

During warm up Sam Johnstone delivered a genuinely great free kick. When we had that free kick in the last few minutes I hoped Bruce was going to give it to him, it just felt like it could have been his day. I am bummed we didnt get to find out.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 16, 2017, 09:00:52 AM
i'm surprised that Green is getting praised (or at least, not being criticised) by some. Not only did he miss the 1-on-1, some of his crosses were worse than anything Hutton's been slated for in the past.

Not read the whole thread but I though Green was absolutely woeful last night. His first half performance was similar to Lansbury on Saturday, i.e. Everytime he touched the ball he made a fuck up. His 2 missed sitters in 2 different games this season have cost us massively.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: The Edge on August 16, 2017, 09:02:41 AM
Green has the excuse of nerves and we know hogan can finish

Gabby's always been shit at one on ones
Fair enough about Green but from what I've witnessed Hogan is just as poor as Gabby in a one on one situations. Hogan's more of a natural one touch finisher if the ball is played into a dangerous position.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: The Edge on August 16, 2017, 09:05:29 AM
Took my 8 year old son to his 4th away game last night. All 4 have been defeats, by Bristol City, Preston, Cardiff and Reading.

He doesn't really want to go away any more. Unfortunately I now feel the same. I can't justify the expense and time taken to repeatedly watch such rubbish.

Not heard Bruce's interview but if he really said we were unlucky then he's reaching Lambert levels of delusion.
You'll have the NSPCC after you.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2017, 09:20:28 AM
I assume this is legit


(http://thumb.ibb.co/fsWA6a/01.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fsWA6a)

image upload (http://imgbb.com/)


We actually won a premier league away game with 23% possession once (Southampton 3-2 in December 2013).

As we saw with Lambert though you can't expect to consistently win with that low possession as teams will simply punish you with the ball.

I could understand it at prem level but it's really shameful we've spent all this money and are one if not the biggest club in the division and we play like this.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2017, 09:33:21 AM
I was amazed when the team came out for the 2nd half without any changes, either in personnel or shape. We had absolutely no foot-hold in the game at that point, and I have no idea how Bruce was expecting that to change without actually changing anything himself.

There were a few obvious tweaks too. Onomah moving into into a deeper midfield position would have been one. Whelan was invisible there and gave us no outlet to play out form the back. Swapping Bjarnason for Adomah would  have been another. Even if he'd been no better it would have shown some intent, if just to the fans if no-one else. 
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 16, 2017, 09:35:46 AM
I was amazed when the team came out for the 2nd half without any changes, either in personnel or shape. We had absolutely no foot-hold in the game at that point, and I have no idea how Bruce was expecting that to change without actually changing anything himself.

There were a few obvious tweaks too. Onomah moving into into a deeper midfield position would have been one. Whelan was invisible there and gave us no outlet to play out form the back. Swapping Bjarnason for Adomah would  have been another. Even if he'd been no better it would have shown some intent, if just to the fans if no-one else. 

To be fair to Bruce he'd only been in the job 6 minutes at that point and we'd already missed 6 or 7 game changing one on one's.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Ads on August 16, 2017, 10:02:30 AM
We ought to have really scored with the Green chance and after that, stopped pressing.

Reading have a way of playing, they’re nowhere near good enough to execute it the way Stam would like and that is by and large due to their personnel. Chief weakness is their back 5, none of whom are comfortable on the ball under pressure, as nobody in this league is good enough to beat the press.

Instead of playing three up top we adopted a 4411, which soon became 10 players in our own half and poor old Hogan somewhere doing an impression of Tom Hanks on a desert island. The least we could do is get him a volley ball and some paint so he can draw himself a face and a friend for company.

Green became an auxiliary full back, as did Thor. De Laet and Taylor tucked in, to the point they became very narrow and in fairness, the gap for Reading was none existent. I presume there was a fear of Barrow, but fear gripped the way the side retreated full stop first half.

You must, categorically must, play a three or a two up top and have your front 3 or 4 press their back four, as McShane and co. are not Man bloody City or Barca, they’re jobbing 2nd division muck who will, if under no pressure, be capable of switching a ball side to side. You must have your midfield push onto their deep lying midfielder and make them do what they did not want to last season, which is look for the long diagonal. Make it a percentage ball.

We did not do any of that, we let them have it, get comfortable, build confidence. Yes they only had two chances, one of which was from a blatant foul on Hourihane, but momentum in sport is key. They had it, as ineffectual as they were and we had the wrong kind.

Second half was worse. The first goal De Laet gets caught out, as he presses on his own into the wing position and they’re in behind. The goal was hugely unfortunate, the Reading player is crossing the ball back towards the edge of the box. The second however is criminal.

We’ve adopted a quasi zonal/ man marking system and to have a player unmarked 8 yards out, pass it to a player3 yards out is shocking.
A good goal from us, but you sensed it was that false hope we sometimes like to provide. Green went close mind. But 5 minutes of a game, although enough to win you a European Cup, is not usually enough time to do anything at all.

Hourihane should be in and around the opposition box. He can and will score goals. Its no use being deeper than the Mariana Trench.


It’s a confidence thing with Green, he’s powerful and direct. When picking the ball up somewhere close to the box, where he should, he has an effect. Hacking the ball to nobody 20 yards from our goal and he looks poor.

Whelan looks off since his ill fated dummy at Hull.

Hogan, we may as well not bother if we’re not getting close.

Terry isn’t doing all the snidey parts of the game that I thought he would. There’s nothing wrong defensively, but its not clear whether this is impacting Chester whose form the past two games has been rank. That can happen I suppose.

The biggest worry is that we lack a template or an identity as to how we’re going to go about winning this game. Its hard to see that changing away from home.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 16, 2017, 10:06:00 AM
I assume this is legit


(http://thumb.ibb.co/fsWA6a/01.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fsWA6a)

image upload (http://imgbb.com/)


We actually won a premier league away game with 23% possession once (Southampton 3-2 in December 2013).

As we saw with Lambert though you can't expect to consistently win with that low possession as teams will simply punish you with the ball.

I could understand it at prem level but it's really shameful we've spent all this money and are one if not the biggest club in the division and we play like this.



Those sort of stats are incredible they look like the stats of a Sunday league team playing a professional football team it shouldn't be happening to us we seem to be getting worse.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Rudy65 on August 16, 2017, 10:08:36 AM
We ought to have really scored with the Green chance and after that, stopped pressing.
Reading have a way of playing, they’re nowhere near good enough to execute it the way Stam would like and that is by and large due to their personnel. Chief weakness is their back 5, none of whom are comfortable on the ball under pressure, as nobody in this league is good enough to beat the press.
Instead of playing three up top we adopted a 4411, which soon became 10 players in our own half and poor old Hogan somewhere doing an impression of Tom Hanks on a desert island. The least we could do is get him a volley ball and some paint so he can draw himself a face and a friend for company.
Green became an auxiliary full back, as did Thor. De Laet and Taylor tucked in, to the point they became very narrow and in fairness, the gap for Reading was none existent. I presume there was a fear of Barrow, but fear gripped the way the side retreated full stop first half.

You must, categorically must, play a three or a two up top and have your front 3 or 4 press their back four, as McShane and co. are not Man bloody City or Barca, they’re jobbing 2nd division muck who will, if under no pressure, be capable of switching a ball side to side. You must have your midfield push onto their deep lying midfielder and make them do what they did not want to last season, which is look for the long diagonal. Make it a percentage ball.

We did not do any of that, we let them have it, get comfortable, build confidence. Yes they only had two chances, one of which was from a blatant foul on Hourihane, but momentum in sport is key. They had it, as ineffectual as they were and we had the wrong kind.

Second half was worse. The first goal De Laet gets caught out, as he presses on his own into the wing position and they’re in behind. The goal was hugely unfortunate, the Reading player is crossing the ball back towards the edge of the box. The second however is criminal.

We’ve adopted a quasi zonal/ man marking system and to have a player unmarked 8 yards out, pass it to a player3 yards out is shocking.
A good goal from us, but you sensed it was that false hope we sometimes like to provide. Green went close mind. But 5 minutes of a game, although enough to win you a European Cup, is not usually enough time to do anything at all.

Hourihane should be in and around the opposition box. He can and will score goals. Its no use being deeper than the Mariana Trench.


It’s a confidence thing with Green, he’s powerful and direct. When picking the ball up somewhere close to the box, where he should, he has an effect. Hacking the ball to nobody 20 yards from our goal and he looks poor.
Whelan looks off since his ill fated dummy at Hull.
Hogan, we may as well not bother if we’re not getting close.
Terry isn’t doing all the snidey parts of the game that I thought he would. There’s nothing wrong defensively, but its not clear whether this is impacting Chester whose form the past two games has been rank. That can happen I suppose.

The biggest worry is that we lack a template or an identity as to how we’re going to go about winning this game. Its hard to see that changing away from home.

Good post. I don't think we, as a team are fit enough to press any opposition, particularly with Gabby still stinking the place out
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tugby Villain on August 16, 2017, 10:16:00 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: auntiesledd on August 16, 2017, 10:43:45 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Thames Valley Plod. They love visiting footy supporters down their way, yes siree Bob.  :o
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on August 16, 2017, 10:47:35 AM
What's the difference between a triangle and Aston Villa?

A triangle has 3 points.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tugby Villain on August 16, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Thames Valley Plod. They love visiting footy supporters down their way, yes siree Bob.  :o

They were quite lucky it didn't kick off, in all honesty.  The guy in front of me was about 6ft8 and he was really having a go, but the copper just turned a blind eye.  I guess if you're short then it's inevitable the police will feel free to abuse you.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: auntiesledd on August 16, 2017, 11:13:24 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Thames Valley Plod. They love visiting footy supporters down their way, yes siree Bob.  :o

They were quite lucky it didn't kick off, in all honesty.  The guy in front of me was about 6ft8 and he was really having a go, but the copper just turned a blind eye.  I guess if you're short then it's inevitable the police will feel free to abuse you.

Was all this going on inside or outside the ground, TV? Either way, it sounds like it put the rotten proverbial on top of your thoroughly shite 'match day experience'.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 16, 2017, 11:13:45 AM
Its bad enough having to sit through the match last night, but to have it compounded by Bruce talking utter tripe. I find it offensive that he then full on lie's about what we have all seen.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: itbrvilla on August 16, 2017, 11:17:49 AM
What's the difference between a triangle and Aston Villa?

A triangle has 3 points.
Wahay!!!!
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tugby Villain on August 16, 2017, 11:22:05 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Thames Valley Plod. They love visiting footy supporters down their way, yes siree Bob.  :o

They were quite lucky it didn't kick off, in all honesty.  The guy in front of me was about 6ft8 and he was really having a go, but the copper just turned a blind eye.  I guess if you're short then it's inevitable the police will feel free to abuse you.

Was all this going on inside or outside the ground, TV? Either way, it sounds like it put the rotten proverbial on top of your thoroughly shite 'match day experience'.

Outside.  Looking at it with different glasses on, it would actually have made a pretty good sitcom - Outnumbered, that kind of thing.  Just about everything that could have gone wrong did, but as the nice old bloke behind me said at the end, 'at least Villa played well'.

Apologies for the rant and the language.  I wasn't best pleased.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: andyh on August 16, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Thames Valley Plod. They love visiting footy supporters down their way, yes siree Bob.  :o

They were quite lucky it didn't kick off, in all honesty.  The guy in front of me was about 6ft8 and he was really having a go, but the copper just turned a blind eye.  I guess if you're short then it's inevitable the police will feel free to abuse you.

Was all this going on inside or outside the ground, TV? Either way, it sounds like it put the rotten proverbial on top of your thoroughly shite 'match day experience'.

Outside.  Looking at it with different glasses on, it would actually have made a pretty good sitcom - Outnumbered, that kind of thing.  Just about everything that could have gone wrong did, but as the nice old bloke behind me said at the end, 'at least Villa played well'.

Apologies for the rant and the language.  I wasn't best pleased.
Was Steve Bruce sitting behind you ?
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Tugby Villain on August 16, 2017, 11:49:26 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Thames Valley Plod. They love visiting footy supporters down their way, yes siree Bob.  :o

They were quite lucky it didn't kick off, in all honesty.  The guy in front of me was about 6ft8 and he was really having a go, but the copper just turned a blind eye.  I guess if you're short then it's inevitable the police will feel free to abuse you.

Was all this going on inside or outside the ground, TV? Either way, it sounds like it put the rotten proverbial on top of your thoroughly shite 'match day experience'.

Outside.  Looking at it with different glasses on, it would actually have made a pretty good sitcom - Outnumbered, that kind of thing.  Just about everything that could have gone wrong did, but as the nice old bloke behind me said at the end, 'at least Villa played well'.

Apologies for the rant and the language.  I wasn't best pleased.
Was Steve Bruce sitting behind you ?

Come to think of it, he did keep talking about a new striker we've bought... some bloke called Samba  :D :D
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: auntiesledd on August 16, 2017, 11:57:09 AM
To compound matters, Villa hadn't sent my tickets down to Reading, so I missed the first 30 minutes while the useless muppets in their ticket office strolled around and informed me I couldn't have bought them.  Ended up being seperated from my mate as we were given random tickets.  Then found it was a duplicate, so three other blokes also had a ticket for my seat.  And being treated like a criminal by the police (told to 'shut up' etc.) didn't exactly help.

Villa ticket office has been a fucking joke this season.  Whoever the fuck is in charge there needs a P45, they're clearly incompetant.

Ahhhhh, good ol' Thames Valley Plod. They love visiting footy supporters down their way, yes siree Bob.  :o

They were quite lucky it didn't kick off, in all honesty.  The guy in front of me was about 6ft8 and he was really having a go, but the copper just turned a blind eye.  I guess if you're short then it's inevitable the police will feel free to abuse you.

Was all this going on inside or outside the ground, TV? Either way, it sounds like it put the rotten proverbial on top of your thoroughly shite 'match day experience'.

Outside.  Looking at it with different glasses on, it would actually have made a pretty good sitcom - Outnumbered, that kind of thing.  Just about everything that could have gone wrong did, but as the nice old bloke behind me said at the end, 'at least Villa played well'.

Apologies for the rant and the language.  I wasn't best pleased.

No apologies necessary bab. I just wish your awful evening had ended after witnessing that shower of shite out on the park.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 16, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
Just watched the highlights. In real time I thought that Hogan had played a great ball through to Green but it turns out to have been a fluky deflection.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Five Villa Tattoos on August 16, 2017, 12:34:02 PM
Thought I'd give it until this morning to give my two pence worth, too angry when I got in last night.
Sorry to go all Swiss Tony but:

The Villa, for me, are akin to a beautiful woman who I love with all my heart and always will. I have done for decades. I spend lots of money on her and go away with her every weekend, where I lavish yet more money and time on her.
My friends think I'm delusional for this.
She makes me sad, mad and angry but I still love her.
She in turn couldn't give two shits about my devotion but only wants me for my money and makes no effort to even look nice anymore.



Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 16, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
Thought I'd give it until this morning to give my two pence worth, too angry when I got in last night.

The Villa, for me, are akin to a beautiful woman who I love with all my heart and always will. I have done for decades. I spend lots of money on her and go away with her every weekend, where I lavish yet more money and time on her.
My friends think I'm delusional for this.
She makes me sad, mad and angry but I still love her.
She in turn couldn't give two shits about my devotion but only wants me for my money and makes no effort to even look nice anymore.


We're a shit club now and the only impressive thing that's left about Villa is the supporters
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Five Villa Tattoos on August 16, 2017, 12:45:59 PM
Thought I'd give it until this morning to give my two pence worth, too angry when I got in last night.

The Villa, for me, are akin to a beautiful woman who I love with all my heart and always will. I have done for decades. I spend lots of money on her and go away with her every weekend, where I lavish yet more money and time on her.
My friends think I'm delusional for this.
She makes me sad, mad and angry but I still love her.
She in turn couldn't give two shits about my devotion but only wants me for my money and makes no effort to even look nice anymore.


We're a shit club now and the only impressive thing that's left about Villa is the supporters
Couldn't agree more Chico.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2017, 12:58:39 PM
Thought I'd give it until this morning to give my two pence worth, too angry when I got in last night.

The Villa, for me, are akin to a beautiful woman who I love with all my heart and always will. I have done for decades. I spend lots of money on her and go away with her every weekend, where I lavish yet more money and time on her.
My friends think I'm delusional for this.
She makes me sad, mad and angry but I still love her.
She in turn couldn't give two shits about my devotion but only wants me for my money and makes no effort to even look nice anymore.


We're a shit club now and the only impressive thing that's left about Villa is the supporters
Couldn't agree more Chico.

It was pretty hard to take the baiting from Reading fans when they went 2 up.  We understandably went very quiet for half an hour probably more in shock than anything else and there was a steady steam of leavers who had clearly had enough. Mind those that were left rocked the place for 5 mins after we scored.  Just imagine what we could do with a winning team
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: exigo on August 16, 2017, 01:02:47 PM
Having the piss ripped out of you at a joyless, soulless, out-of-town identistadium, by music-on-the-tannoy wankers is quite the experience.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
Thought I'd give it until this morning to give my two pence worth, too angry when I got in last night.
Sorry to go all Swiss Tony but:

The Villa, for me, are akin to a beautiful woman who I love with all my heart and always will. I have done for decades. I spend lots of money on her and go away with her every weekend, where I lavish yet more money and time on her.
My friends think I'm delusional for this.
She makes me sad, mad and angry but I still love her.
She in turn couldn't give two shits about my devotion but only wants me for my money and makes no effort to even look nice anymore.





She does have a massive pair of tits (Clemence & Calderwood) and a proper c*nt in the middle though
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 16, 2017, 01:59:55 PM
We ought to have really scored with the Green chance and after that, stopped pressing.

Reading have a way of playing, they’re nowhere near good enough to execute it the way Stam would like and that is by and large due to their personnel. Chief weakness is their back 5, none of whom are comfortable on the ball under pressure, as nobody in this league is good enough to beat the press.

Instead of playing three up top we adopted a 4411, which soon became 10 players in our own half and poor old Hogan somewhere doing an impression of Tom Hanks on a desert island. The least we could do is get him a volley ball and some paint so he can draw himself a face and a friend for company.

Green became an auxiliary full back, as did Thor. De Laet and Taylor tucked in, to the point they became very narrow and in fairness, the gap for Reading was none existent. I presume there was a fear of Barrow, but fear gripped the way the side retreated full stop first half.

You must, categorically must, play a three or a two up top and have your front 3 or 4 press their back four, as McShane and co. are not Man bloody City or Barca, they’re jobbing 2nd division muck who will, if under no pressure, be capable of switching a ball side to side. You must have your midfield push onto their deep lying midfielder and make them do what they did not want to last season, which is look for the long diagonal. Make it a percentage ball.

We did not do any of that, we let them have it, get comfortable, build confidence. Yes they only had two chances, one of which was from a blatant foul on Hourihane, but momentum in sport is key. They had it, as ineffectual as they were and we had the wrong kind.

Second half was worse. The first goal De Laet gets caught out, as he presses on his own into the wing position and they’re in behind. The goal was hugely unfortunate, the Reading player is crossing the ball back towards the edge of the box. The second however is criminal.

We’ve adopted a quasi zonal/ man marking system and to have a player unmarked 8 yards out, pass it to a player3 yards out is shocking.
A good goal from us, but you sensed it was that false hope we sometimes like to provide. Green went close mind. But 5 minutes of a game, although enough to win you a European Cup, is not usually enough time to do anything at all.

Hourihane should be in and around the opposition box. He can and will score goals. Its no use being deeper than the Mariana Trench.


It’s a confidence thing with Green, he’s powerful and direct. When picking the ball up somewhere close to the box, where he should, he has an effect. Hacking the ball to nobody 20 yards from our goal and he looks poor.

Whelan looks off since his ill fated dummy at Hull.

Hogan, we may as well not bother if we’re not getting close.

Terry isn’t doing all the snidey parts of the game that I thought he would. There’s nothing wrong defensively, but its not clear whether this is impacting Chester whose form the past two games has been rank. That can happen I suppose.

The biggest worry is that we lack a template or an identity as to how we’re going to go about winning this game. Its hard to see that changing away from home.


Can't argue with any of that really and what you say about identity is a key point I think. Although Reading clearly have their limitations they all know their jobs and do their best to execute that style of play to the letter. We just seem to be a mishmash of playing styles that ends up in an almighty shit storm. If we're going to sit back like that we simply have to execute the press as a team and not just leave it down to the lone striker who is 20 yards away from everyone else.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 16, 2017, 02:09:08 PM
Turned to my mate when the second goal went in and said the only plus we have is not having goal music at VP.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on August 16, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Turned to my mate when the second goal went in and said the only plus we have is not having goal music at VP.

I don't think we need it.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: oldtimernow on August 16, 2017, 05:03:39 PM
If we did .....may I suggest... Memories
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: nick harper on August 16, 2017, 05:35:18 PM
I really wish we would play that pressing game that forces mistakes and creates momentum. We are the absolute antithesis of that. One paced (slow), lacking movement, passive, poor ball retention. It's the perfect storm that gives the kind of match stats we are seeing.

We are playing a different game to most teams in this division and it's getting worse. This despite having some real talent in the squad. Utterly demoralising.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: adrenachrome on August 16, 2017, 07:43:53 PM
Thought I'd give it until this morning to give my two pence worth, too angry when I got in last night.
Sorry to go all Swiss Tony but:

The Villa, for me, are akin to a beautiful woman who I love with all my heart and always will. I have done for decades. I spend lots of money on her and go away with her every weekend, where I lavish yet more money and time on her.
My friends think I'm delusional for this.
She makes me sad, mad and angry but I still love her.
She in turn couldn't give two shits about my devotion but only wants me for my money and makes no effort to even look nice anymore.

She'll give you a dose of the dreaded syph before she's done, 5 Tats, and fuck up your credit rating after squeezing out what is left of your toothpaste.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: CT on August 16, 2017, 08:00:58 PM
If we did .....may I suggest... Memories

Or Once In A Lifetime by Talking Heads.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 16, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
If we did .....may I suggest... Memories

Or Once In A Lifetime by Talking Heads.

"Missing" by Everything but the Girl
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2017, 08:29:16 PM
I really wish we would play that pressing game that forces mistakes and creates momentum. We are the absolute antithesis of that. One paced (slow), lacking movement, passive, poor ball retention. It's the perfect storm that gives the kind of match stats we are seeing.

We are playing a different game to most teams in this division and it's getting worse. This despite having some real talent in the squad. Utterly demoralising.

We'd last about half an hour playing that way before the majority of them would be out of puff. 
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on August 16, 2017, 08:58:25 PM
Half a minute more like.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: adrenachrome on August 16, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
17 Seconds as Fat Bob used to wail.
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: brian green on August 16, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Four minutes and thirty three seconds of silence by John Cage
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Richard E on August 16, 2017, 09:35:27 PM
If we did .....may I suggest... Memories

Or Once In A Lifetime by Talking Heads.

Too Far Down by Hüsker Dü
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2017, 10:56:15 PM
Four minutes and thirty three seconds of silence by John Cage

*Applauds*
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 17, 2017, 02:33:54 AM
Four minutes and thirty three seconds of silence by John Cage

*Applauds*

Shush! I can't hear it!
Title: Re: Reading v Villa post match thread
Post by: cdward on August 17, 2017, 06:55:13 AM
Turned to my mate when the second goal went in and said the only plus we have is not having goal music at VP.
Wasn't it Reading away last season that we all thought we had turned the corner and "Don't look back in anger" was played over the tannoy and became a bit of an anthem.
Even that's turned to shit, we haven't reached our low point yet.
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