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Title: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: dorsetvillian on July 03, 2017, 05:03:06 PM
I spent a great afternoon yesterday at the annual Bournemouth Lions summer BBQ, now in its tenth year. As always brilliant weather and food. There were about 50 in attendance along with two Villa legends.

Peter McParland lives in Bournemouth, so comes every year and is just such a lovely guy with a wicked sense of humour. Yet this year undoubtedly the star man was Dennis Mortimer. He came down from Lichfield with his wife for the weekend and while she enjoyed Bournemouth Beach, Dennis took centre stage. He spoke without pause for at least an hour, covering his whole career from signing at Coventry to winning the European Cup at Villa. I've had the pleasure of listening to a few ex-Villa legends but Dennis was different class. Again he was very funny and told many stories about the Villa that supporters don't often get the chance to hear. What came across so clearly is that he remembers in amazing detail every kick of every game he played for Villa. He said he had every programme of a game he played in. His affection for the Villa was obvious and I can only hope that some of our present-day players turn out to be half as good as Dennis was.

Dennis had time for everyone and was happy to have photos and sign shirts. I got my Europen Cup final programme signed, along with my friend who I went to Rotterdam with. Incidentally about five of us attendance yesterday were in Rotterdam that night in May 82.   I had a chat with him and explained that I lived in West Dorset. He knew the area well and holidays a lot in Cornwall and Devon. He said he liked the surf in the West Country as he was a keen bodyboarder! Not Villa related but it made me laugh! The afternoon finished with a group photo which hopefully will be in the match day programme.

Simply a great afternoon, with good Villa company. The Bournemouth Lions go from strength to strength and I really must thank Mike and Ian who organise it so well. We had good numbers travelling to both home and away games last season and are already planning for next season.

UTV from Dorset
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 03, 2017, 05:07:25 PM
I have been lucky enough to meet him, a very good down to earth bloke.
A true Villa great.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 03, 2017, 06:22:15 PM
I had a good chat with him after the Rotherham home game last August. Very friendly and down to earth.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: nodge on July 03, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
Captain Leader Legend
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 03, 2017, 10:34:14 PM
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
A really decent man on top of world class footballer. Met him few years ago in one of the hospitality  suites at VP.  Chatted about 80/81/82 and  asked him to sign my ticket and as I was about to walk away he said "Surely you want Tony's autograph as well?" and pushed me in the direction of man standing next to him. To my shame I did not recognise Tony Morley.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2017, 11:02:26 PM
That's a great post. Mortimer is a bone fide Villa legend and it's nice to read stories like that about him. 
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2017, 08:12:03 AM
I had a good chat with him after the Rotherham home game last August. Very friendly and down to earth.

From Rotterdam to Rotherham bring our Villa back!

I'll miss Rotherham next season.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on July 04, 2017, 08:37:07 AM
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
I still get the shivers thinking about that goal v Liverpool when he broke from the halfway line (or was it our box-memory does embellish things haha). With he Holte singing 'we'll be top by 5 'o'clock.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2017, 08:44:20 AM
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
I still get the shivers thinking about that goal v Liverpool when he broke from the halfway line (or was it our box-memory does embellish things haha). With he Holte singing 'we'll be top by 5 'o'clock.


Apart from seeing him with the championship trophy on the open top bus parade and lifting the European cup in Rotterdam, my main memories are the goals against Liverpool and Everton in 1981 and him going off with his arm in a sling against Kiev. A less happy memory is of seeing him score two goals for Small Heath against Derby at the sty.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 04, 2017, 11:12:56 PM
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
I still get the shivers thinking about that goal v Liverpool when he broke from the halfway line (or was it our box-memory does embellish things haha). With he Holte singing 'we'll be top by 5 'o'clock.


Apart from seeing him with the championship trophy on the open top bus parade and lifting the European cup in Rotterdam, my main memories are the goals against Liverpool and Everton in 1981 and him going off with his arm in a sling against Kiev. A less happy memory is of seeing him score two goals for Small Heath against Derby at the sty.
Wasn't his goal against Man Utd at Villa Park where he did one of his marauding runs from the half way line towards the North Stand one of the Match Of The Day opening credits ? I think we actually won 2-1 , can we not clone him ? 🤔
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2017, 07:03:03 AM
I can't remember him scoring against United. My first Villa game was a 0-3 defeat at home to United. My second game was a 1-0 win against Spurs with Dennis Mortimer getting the winner. 1979.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Must be the best ever uncapped Englishman.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 05, 2017, 02:02:57 PM
ive read all that and yes all marvellous. But gets me thinking why oh why is the witton "not renamed after one of our legends!" Dennis would be up there with a few other shouts, me thinks.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2017, 03:11:45 PM
Must be the best ever uncapped Englishman.


When Robson took over he overlooked him for the likes of David Armstrong, Ricky Hill and a young then midfielder Gary Mabbutt.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: nodge on July 05, 2017, 04:31:51 PM
Must be the best ever uncapped Englishman.


When Robson took over he overlooked him for the likes of David Armstrong, Ricky Hill and a young then midfielder Gary Mabbutt.

Was he still pissed off that we won the league and they were supposed to by any chance?
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: preston28 on July 05, 2017, 07:27:13 PM
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
I still get the shivers thinking about that goal v Liverpool when he broke from the halfway line (or was it our box-memory does embellish things haha). With he Holte singing 'we'll be top by 5 'o'clock.


Apart from seeing him with the championship trophy on the open top bus parade and lifting the European cup in Rotterdam, my main memories are the goals against Liverpool and Everton in 1981 and him going off with his arm in a sling against Kiev. A less happy memory is of seeing him score two goals for Small Heath against Derby at the sty.
Wasn't his goal against Man Utd at Villa Park where he did one of his marauding runs from the half way line towards the North Stand one of the Match Of The Day opening credits ? I think we actually won 2-1 , can we not clone him ? 🤔
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
I still get the shivers thinking about that goal v Liverpool when he broke from the halfway line (or was it our box-memory does embellish things haha). With he Holte singing 'we'll be top by 5 'o'clock.


Apart from seeing him with the championship trophy on the open top bus parade and lifting the European cup in Rotterdam, my main memories are the goals against Liverpool and Everton in 1981 and him going off with his arm in a sling against Kiev. A less happy memory is of seeing him score two goals for Small Heath against Derby at the sty.
Wasn't his goal against Man Utd at Villa Park where he did one of his marauding runs from the half way line towards the North Stand one of the Match Of The Day opening credits ? I think we actually won 2-1 , can we not clone him ? 🤔
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
I still get the shivers thinking about that goal v Liverpool when he broke from the halfway line (or was it our box-memory does embellish things haha). With he Holte singing 'we'll be top by 5 'o'clock.


Apart from seeing him with the championship trophy on the open top bus parade and lifting the European cup in Rotterdam, my main memories are the goals against Liverpool and Everton in 1981 and him going off with his arm in a sling against Kiev. A less happy memory is of seeing him score two goals for Small Heath against Derby at the sty.
Wasn't his goal against Man Utd at Villa Park where he did one of his marauding runs from the half way line towards the North Stand one of the Match Of The Day opening credits ? I think we actually won 2-1 , can we not clone him ? 🤔
Captain Leader Legend

All of these and able to run in a straight line towards the opposition box regardless of who the opposition was
I still get the shivers thinking about that goal v Liverpool when he broke from the halfway line (or was it our box-memory does embellish things haha). With he Holte singing 'we'll be top by 5 'o'clock.


Apart from seeing him with the championship trophy on the open top bus parade and lifting the European cup in Rotterdam, my main memories are the goals against Liverpool and Everton in 1981 and him going off with his arm in a sling against Kiev. A less happy memory is of seeing him score two goals for Small Heath against Derby at the sty.
Wasn't his goal against Man Utd at Villa Park where he did one of his marauding runs from the half way line towards the North Stand one of the Match Of The Day opening credits ? I think we actually won 2-1 , can we not clone him ? 🤔

Was that not against Stoke City?
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 06, 2017, 07:54:24 AM
That is an epic quote fail!
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: preston28 on July 06, 2017, 09:00:41 AM
That is an epic quote fail!

It was indeed. No excuses for that!
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Post by: Nelly on July 06, 2017, 01:29:52 PM
A Brutalist masterpiece of a quote fail!
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 06, 2017, 02:10:08 PM
Must be the best ever uncapped Englishman.

When Robson took over he overlooked him for the likes of David Armstrong, Ricky Hill and a young then midfielder Gary Mabbutt.

Was he still pissed off that we won the league and they were supposed to by any chance?

I don't think so. He did select Cowans, Hodge and Platt for England.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2017, 02:38:19 PM
He only picked Platt because everyone else got injured.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 06, 2017, 05:01:55 PM
He only picked Platt because everyone else got injured.

 I was living in France back then but thought he picked Platt over Newell at Everton as both were on the up.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2017, 05:30:53 PM
I meant for the team. He wasn't first choice to come off the bench until Robson got injured, replaced by the first choice replacement, McMahon. He came off the bench when McMahon got injured, and scored the famous goal against Belgium that made him undroppable.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2017, 05:38:12 PM
Must be the best ever uncapped Englishman.

When Robson took over he overlooked him for the likes of David Armstrong, Ricky Hill and a young then midfielder Gary Mabbutt.

Was he still pissed off that we won the league and they were supposed to by any chance?

I don't think so. He did select Cowans, Hodge and Platt for England.


Ten Englishmen in the fourteen who won the league and he handed out a few caps to Sid to and Peter Withe. Peter Withe seemingly being the only English player in the squad of the Champions of Europe who was good enough to play in the World Cup a few weeks later.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Rico on July 06, 2017, 08:34:25 PM
The non selection of Villa players for the 1982 world cup has always done my head in. We had a predominantly English based team that won not only the league title in 81, but the European Cup in 82. Greenwood should have had the easiest job in world football - just find suitable replacements for our Scottish players and tell Ray Clemence that he was being dropped for Jimmy Rimmer and the jobs a good un. World cup in the bag courtesy of AVFC. Instead he went with Brooking and Keegan. Cop out!
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 07, 2017, 12:35:29 AM
Must be the best ever uncapped Englishman.

When Robson took over he overlooked him for the likes of David Armstrong, Ricky Hill and a young then midfielder Gary Mabbutt.

Was he still pissed off that we won the league and they were supposed to by any chance?

I don't think so. He did select Cowans, Hodge and Platt for England.


Ten Englishmen in the fourteen who won the league and he handed out a few caps to Sid to and Peter Withe. Peter Withe seemingly being the only English player in the squad of the Champions of Europe who was good enough to play in the World Cup a few weeks later.

Agreed, but remember that was Greenwood and not Robson.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 07, 2017, 12:37:27 AM
I meant for the team. He wasn't first choice to come off the bench until Robson got injured, replaced by the first choice replacement, McMahon. He came off the bench when McMahon got injured, and scored the famous goal against Belgium that made him undroppable.

I agree with you there. In 1986 and 1990 Robson got lucky ( I think) when Bryan Robson was injured. England improved in both tournaments without him.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2017, 01:29:12 AM
Two players that I never 'got' who were supposed to be the ultimate midfielders were Bryan Ribson and his replacement, Roy Keane. Probably my fault as I've always preferred a fancy Dan, but there it is.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2017, 01:29:50 AM
Bryan Robson was shite too.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: peter w on July 07, 2017, 06:59:34 AM
He really wasn't.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Hillbilly on July 07, 2017, 07:28:28 AM
Two players that I never 'got' who were supposed to be the ultimate midfielders were Bryan Ribson and his replacement, Roy Keane. Probably my fault as I've always preferred a fancy Dan, but there it is.
Certainly not fancy but clinically effective.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2017, 07:42:08 AM
Two players that I never 'got' who were supposed to be the ultimate midfielders were Bryan Ribson and his replacement, Roy Keane. Probably my fault as I've always preferred a fancy Dan, but there it is.
Certainly not fancy but clinically effective.

Whilst he was effective, he spent his career playing for bang average teams, when he was fit.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 07, 2017, 07:58:28 AM
Must be the best ever uncapped Englishman.

When Robson took over he overlooked him for the likes of David Armstrong, Ricky Hill and a young then midfielder Gary Mabbutt.

Was he still pissed off that we won the league and they were supposed to by any chance?

I don't think so. He did select Cowans, Hodge and Platt for England.


Ten Englishmen in the fourteen who won the league and he handed out a few caps to Sid to and Peter Withe. Peter Withe seemingly being the only English player in the squad of the Champions of Europe who was good enough to play in the World Cup a few weeks later.

Agreed, but remember that was Greenwood and not Robson.


Robson was the one who only gave a few caps to Withe and Cowans. Greenwood was the one who took Withe to the World Cup and didn't play him at all. Don Howe was instrumental in Morley not being selected in the '82 squad as he wanted an Arsenal left side of the team in Samsom and Rix.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 07, 2017, 08:56:40 AM
I have never changed my opinion that Bryan Robson was the most overrated player in football history.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 07, 2017, 09:12:26 AM
I have never changed my opinion that Bryan Robson was the most overrated player in football history.


I rated him but in the 1986 and 1990 World Cups England performed better without him. Also, United finally won the title when he was reduced to being a bit part player.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 07, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
I always think that 'overrated' is a real ego thing - what you're saying is that you're right and everyone else is wrong. In the case of Bryan Robson, though, it sums him up. I could never see the big attraction and it's notable that both Manchester United and England did better without him.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2017, 11:20:13 AM
I was living in Manchester 20 odd years ago when Bryan Robson officially opened the new Yates' Wine Lodge, to much press fanfare. About 5 hours later the bouncers had to scrape him up off the floor of the women's bogs where he'd passed out and chucked him out. Captain, Leader, Pisshead.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 07, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
I used to use him get carried out of the Bell on the Birmingham Road and bundled into a taxi on a weekly basis when he managed that shower down the road.  Mind you, I'd want to get pissed out of my skull too if I had to watch that mob on a regular basis.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on July 07, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
I think what I'm saying is that I found the whole Captain Marvel thing distasteful just because of his profile and transfer fee. I thought there were more skillful players than Robson and his 'commitment' meant he wasn't averse to putting in some horrendous tackles and diving for penalties - both happened in the game at Villa Park early in 1991/92 when he put Tony Daley out for along spell and got a late penalty. There was the idea in the media that England couldn't do without him when it was demonstrated that they could at two World Cups. Over-promoted rather than overrated is what I'm getting at I think.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2017, 11:36:30 AM
I remember watching his younger brother, Gary, break his leg against us in 1990 (?). A Kent Nielsen tackle if I recall
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 07, 2017, 11:36:35 AM
Think we could win world cup with players from Liverpool, Ipswich, Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest combined. but we didn't.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2017, 11:39:29 AM
Never really saw Robson at his peak, but Keane was a fantastic player. I'd still have Vieira ahead of him though, just about. I've never seen a player so calm under pressure as him.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: peter w on July 07, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
I always think that 'overrated' is a real ego thing - what you're saying is that you're right and everyone else is wrong. In the case of Bryan Robson, though, it sums him up. I could never see the big attraction and it's notable that both Manchester United and England did better without him.

"Did better without him" may also mean that England and man United simply got better players throughout the team. Robson, as i remember him, could tackle like keane and score goals like Scholes. he just didn't have the type of players around him that they did. he was immense for both man Utd and England and the reason we (England) performed better without him at the 86 World Cup was because of his performances being hampered by teh shoudler disolcation that he had in the buil-up to the WC. he didn't shrug that off and it popped again. That isn't to confuse how brilliant he was as a player.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2017, 11:48:44 AM
And he had an affair with one of the sky sports news presenters when he was at Boro.  Can't t remember the name but it wasn't Jim White
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: dave shelley on July 07, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
And he had an affair with one of the sky sports news presenters when he was at Boro.  Can't t remember the name but it wasn't Jim White

Claire Tomlinson?  Now relegated to late night sports news presenting.  Put on a bit of weight these days, but then again 'ain't many of us.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 07, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
I used to use him get carried out of the Bell on the Birmingham Road and bundled into a taxi on a weekly basis when he managed that shower down the road.  Mind you, I'd want to get pissed out of my skull too if I had to watch that mob on a regular basis.

He used to manage the pub team at the Four in Hand in West Bromwich in the 70s too. Apparently his ability to drink 10-12 pints and still play like a man possessed in training the next day was legendary.

He gave one of the best individual performances i ever saw at Villa Park by an away player. We lost 1-0 at home to the Albion on a Friday night, last game of the season and the eve of the cup final, circa 1978-9. He absolutely ran the show and they murdered us. Should have been 3 or 4 nil.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2017, 06:16:48 PM
I always used to think that Robson spent so much time out injured because he wasn't very good at tackling so did himself as much harm as opposition players. I'm another that thinks he had a reputation far above his ability.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: ez on July 07, 2017, 06:48:29 PM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 07, 2017, 06:52:46 PM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

Mortimer's always been a bit of a contrary sod and Williams has never been part of the ex-players circuit.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 07, 2017, 06:57:03 PM
Don't be mistaken Robson  was class - great box to box player.  How he used to keep going on rusty rocket fuel I never know.  If you are comparing  him to Mortimer than I would say he had  a better engine  but skill wise they were the equal  of each  other.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2017, 07:52:26 PM
I once saw him at a petrol station in the north east, he was shit faced. These days I'd have staged an intervention and demanded his car keys, but this was the 80s when such behaviour was far less frowned upon.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2017, 08:28:19 AM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

I've got an old yellow number 3 Henson away shirt that Gary Williams wore at the sty in 1986 for the Frank Worthington testimonial. (I know, I'm not sure why Worthington qualified for a testimonial after playing for them for just three years). My bluenose uncle was a steward around the dressing room area and pinched it for me.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

I've got an old yellow number 3 Henson away shirt that Gary Williams wore at the sty in 1986 for the Frank Worthington testimonial. (I know, I'm not sure why Worthington qualified for a testimonial after playing for them for just three years). My bluenose uncle was a steward around the dressing room area and pinched it for me.

Well its not unlike a Nose to steal from a changing room, eh?
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2017, 09:30:11 AM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

I've got an old yellow number 3 Henson away shirt that Gary Williams wore at the sty in 1986 for the Frank Worthington testimonial. (I know, I'm not sure why Worthington qualified for a testimonial after playing for them for just three years). My bluenose uncle was a steward around the dressing room area and pinched it for me.

Well its not unlike a Nose to steal from a changing room, eh?


Very good. But no, I didn't end up with Gary Williams' wallet.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 08, 2017, 08:05:45 PM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

Mortimer's always been a bit of a contrary sod and Williams has never been part of the ex-players circuit.

I have just recalled that a bloke I knew in Shanghai swore that Gary Williams ended up working in a pub in or near York.  Any idea if that is true?
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2017, 08:14:12 PM
In January 1981 as a ten year old I was introduced to Gary Shaw at my next door neighbours 21st birthday party. Somebody tipped him off that there was a young Villa fan in the room and he made me feel like the dogs bollox by asking me to look after his jacket while he danced.
Afterwards he shook my hand and thanked me for looking after his jacket and said we were friends for life. He made a young Villa fan feel ten feet tall that night.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: oldham_villa on July 08, 2017, 09:04:20 PM
I can't believe people are dismissing Bryan Robson's abilities. Have you seen the number of goals he scored, from midfield - he wasn't a Frank Lampard (i don't defend), he was box to box and a hard player.

That said, England did appear to improve when he became injured during the world cups.

He was still one of the best English midfielders in the modern game IMO
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Billy Walker on July 08, 2017, 09:53:32 PM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

Mortimer's always been a bit of a contrary sod and Williams has never been part of the ex-players circuit.

I have just recalled that a bloke I knew in Shanghai swore that Gary Williams ended up working in a pub in or near York.  Any idea if that is true?

This is true because I had a pint (twenty odd years ago) in said pub and couldn't believe who was serving me - it was Gary Williams, himself!  I can't remember what the pub was called, it was a bit of a boozy, surreal weekend.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2017, 11:09:22 PM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

I've got an old yellow number 3 Henson away shirt that Gary Williams wore at the sty in 1986 for the Frank Worthington testimonial. (I know, I'm not sure why Worthington qualified for a testimonial after playing for them for just three years). My bluenose uncle was a steward around the dressing room area and pinched it for me.

3 years is a lifetime with them, and anyway they consider loan signings "Blooze Legunds".

One their all time greats was there six months, for fucks sake.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2017, 11:22:45 PM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

I've got an old yellow number 3 Henson away shirt that Gary Williams wore at the sty in 1986 for the Frank Worthington testimonial. (I know, I'm not sure why Worthington qualified for a testimonial after playing for them for just three years). My bluenose uncle was a steward around the dressing room area and pinched it for me.

3 years is a lifetime with them, and anyway they consider loan signings "Blooze Legunds".

One their all time greats was there six months, for fucks sake.


The Holy Trinity. United had Best, Charlton and Law. Small Heath had John Stern, Effeminate Martins and the Irish defender who gave a rude hand gesture to the vile fans. # Blues Legend.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 09, 2017, 12:58:16 AM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

Mortimer's always been a bit of a contrary sod and Williams has never been part of the ex-players circuit.

I have just recalled that a bloke I knew in Shanghai swore that Gary Williams ended up working in a pub in or near York.  Any idea if that is true?

This is true because I had a pint (twenty odd years ago) in said pub and couldn't believe who was serving me - it was Gary Williams, himself!  I can't remember what the pub was called, it was a bit of a boozy, surreal weekend.

Brilliant - cheers for confirming. The fella I met always seemed straight up but as we usually crossed paths at 3-4 in the morning I thought I may have imagined that anecdote!
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: ez on July 09, 2017, 11:01:27 AM
I've spent a few years getting some memorabilia signed by villa players especially from the European cup winners. It took me ages to meet Dennis Mortimer though, him and Gary Williams. I didn't think those two did many appearances.

I've got an old yellow number 3 Henson away shirt that Gary Williams wore at the sty in 1986 for the Frank Worthington testimonial. (I know, I'm not sure why Worthington qualified for a testimonial after playing for them for just three years). My bluenose uncle was a steward around the dressing room area and pinched it for me.

3 years is a lifetime with them, and anyway they consider loan signings "Blooze Legunds".

One their all time greats was there six months, for fucks sake.


The Holy Trinity. United had Best, Charlton and Law. Small Heath had John Stern, Effeminate Martins and the Irish defender who gave a rude hand gesture to the vile fans. # Blues Legend.

That reminds me of that really tall player blues had, a mate of Ian Taylor i think. Anyway he had a video about himself called The Legend.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Kevin Francis? I think he started at Derby and came on at The Baseball Ground against us in the early nineties. It might have been Cascarino's debut. He was about ten foot tall. The Villa fans in the away end were singing "What the f***ing hell is that".
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2017, 11:34:36 AM
Kevin Francis? I think he started at Derby and came on at The Baseball Ground against us in the early nineties. It might have been Cascarino's debut. He was about ten foot tall. The Villa fans in the away end were singing "What the f***ing hell is that".

An old joke:

Trevor Francis is manager of the Blues and they turn up to train but the pitches are frozen, so Trev takes them all inside to the gym. However, as they walk in there is a clearly human large turd in the laying right before their eyes.

"Who's shit on the floor?" says Beelzebub.

"Me boss, but I'm good in the air" replies Kevin.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 09, 2017, 01:08:38 PM
Kevin Francis? I think he started at Derby and came on at The Baseball Ground against us in the early nineties. It might have been Cascarino's debut. He was about ten foot tall. The Villa fans in the away end were singing "What the f***ing hell is that".

He used to live opposite a mate of mine in Bromsgrove when he was at the Blues. Really lovely bloke by all accounts - I remember his kids being very polite.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Holte132 on December 16, 2023, 11:54:38 AM
Met the legend that is Dennis Mortimer at Lichfield Market this morning. He was signing copies of the Champions of Europe publication that was done for last year's 40th anniversary. Lovely man!
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2023, 03:48:33 PM
Met the legend that is Dennis Mortimer at Lichfield Market this morning. He was signing copies of the Champions of Europe publication that was done for last year's 40th anniversary. Lovely man!
I have met him twice and he was a lovely bloke.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Ian. on December 16, 2023, 04:34:10 PM
I met him in Kingsteignton, a small village near me in Devon. The South West Lions managed to arrange for him to come to one of the meets. He was great, he stayed for the match we watched and had photos with anyone who asked.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: enigma on December 16, 2023, 05:13:19 PM
Kevin Francis? I think he started at Derby and came on at The Baseball Ground against us in the early nineties. It might have been Cascarino's debut. He was about ten foot tall. The Villa fans in the away end were singing "What the f***ing hell is that".

He used to live opposite a mate of mine in Bromsgrove when he was at the Blues. Really lovely bloke by all accounts - I remember his kids being very polite.
Became a Canadian Mountie after retiring from football.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Grande Pablo on December 16, 2023, 08:08:40 PM
Met the legend that is Dennis Mortimer at Lichfield Market this morning. He was signing copies of the Champions of Europe publication that was done for last year's 40th anniversary. Lovely man!

I got a few bits signed & a photo this morning too.  Quietest signing I've ever been too.  Martyn who runs the picture stall (& who does all Mortimer's framed memorabilia) is a top bloke.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Holte132 on December 16, 2023, 09:42:24 PM
Met the legend that is Dennis Mortimer at Lichfield Market this morning. He was signing copies of the Champions of Europe publication that was done for last year's 40th anniversary. Lovely man!

I got a few bits signed & a photo this morning too.  Quietest signing I've ever been too.  Martyn who runs the picture stall (& who does all Mortimer's framed memorabilia) is a top bloke.

I hadn't seen any publicity at all about the signing. Just happened to be walking through Market Square and noticed the claret and blue!
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: PeterWithe on December 17, 2023, 10:15:08 AM
I met him in Kingsteignton, a small village near me in Devon. The South West Lions managed to arrange for him to come to one of the meets. He was great, he stayed for the match we watched and had photos with anyone who asked.

I think I stayed there, had a very pleasant afternoon in a pub called Church Tavern near the river.
Title: Re: Dennis Mortimer Villa Legend
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
I met him in Kingsteignton, a small village near me in Devon. The South West Lions managed to arrange for him to come to one of the meets. He was great, he stayed for the match we watched and had photos with anyone who asked.

I think I stayed there, had a very pleasant afternoon in a pub called Church Tavern near the river.

Would that be The Church House Inn, on the River Teign, just along from Shaldon?
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