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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: trevor fisher on June 11, 2017, 01:10:56 PM
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just watched the England U20s win the world cup final, very good performance and congratulations to all concerned. Just made me realize how far Villa have fallen away to see Cahill play for England seniors last night and know there are no Villa lads anywhere in contention today. WHat has gone wrong?
So many players come on for the end of a match, look good then vanish. Why? We cannot be a cheque book club. We have to bring the lads through. Where are the Cahills, Cowans, Littles and even Barry Bannans of 2017? How come the academy has stopped producing?
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There are few coming through but pressure from relegation and poor management doesn't give them the opportunity to shines.
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WHat has gone wrong?
When did you return from the Moon?
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Congratulations to all involved, but what's the betting that this is the international equivalent to a club - including Villa - winning the Youth Cup? Perhaps one or two of those playing today might get full England caps in time, but most will do well do become Premier League regulars. It will be interesting - and probably quite sad from an England perspective - when in twenty years time the picture of them on podium is published under the headline "Where Are Now?"
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I seem to remember us winning the European under 21's championship (possibly two years running) in the eighties. I think Bailey and Woods were the keepers. I'm not sure too many of them went on to have decent senior International careers.
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just watched the England U20s win the world cup final, very good performance and congratulations to all concerned. Just made me realize how far Villa have fallen away to see Cahill play for England seniors last night and know there are no Villa lads anywhere in contention today. WHat has gone wrong?
So many players come on for the end of a match, look good then vanish. Why? We cannot be a cheque book club. We have to bring the lads through. Where are the Cahills, Cowans, Littles and even Barry Bannans of 2017? How come the academy has stopped producing?
What went wrong? Have you just awoken from a 7 year long coma?
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just watched the England U20s win the world cup final, very good performance and congratulations to all concerned. Just made me realize how far Villa have fallen away to see Cahill play for England seniors last night and know there are no Villa lads anywhere in contention today. WHat has gone wrong?
So many players come on for the end of a match, look good then vanish. Why? We cannot be a cheque book club. We have to bring the lads through. Where are the Cahills, Cowans, Littles and even Barry Bannans of 2017? How come the academy has stopped producing?
What went wrong? Have you just awoken from a 7 year long coma?
Yes, rearrange these letters, Landy Rerner.
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Congratulations to all involved, but what's the betting that this is the international equivalent to a club - including Villa - winning the Youth Cup? Perhaps one or two of those playing today might get full England caps in time, but most will do well do become Premier League regulars. It will be interesting - and probably quite sad from an England perspective - when in twenty years time the picture of them on podium is published under the headline "Where Are Now?"
Exhibit A - Nathan Delfounso has a combined 42 caps at U19 and U21 level
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Let us all sit back and watch where they all are in five years time. More players brought in from foreign shores to block their path, or poor opportunities due to crap coaching further along their path. I hope not for the sake of the English game.
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I watched the game really enjoyed pleased for the lads they did well congratulations to them.
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Was Andre Green young enough to qualify for this? Surprised he didn't get a call up if he was.
Grealish is in the under 21 squad.
I think we're going through a bit of a dry spell in the youths currently, it happens. Let's just make sure next time we have a decent crop coming through we give them proper chances rather than selling them and then see them win the premier league at other clubs.
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I watched the game really enjoyed pleased for the lads they did well congratulations to them.
darren what do you think has gone wrong...just to help trevor?
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Congratulations to all involved, but what's the betting that this is the international equivalent to a club - including Villa - winning the Youth Cup? Perhaps one or two of those playing today might get full England caps in time, but most will do well do become Premier League regulars. It will be interesting - and probably quite sad from an England perspective - when in twenty years time the picture of them on podium is published under the headline "Where Are Now?"
Five years time not twenty.
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I remember going to both legs of the youth cup final in 2002. Stefan and Luke Moore both scored goals and ran the show whilst Everton's striker Wayne Rooney toiled away without a sniff.
What happened to our youth team of 2002?
Wayne Henderson
Peter Whittingham
Liam Ridgewell
Steven Davis
Luke Moore
Stefan Moore
struggling after that..........
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Rooney scored, caused us loads of problems both games and hit the crossbar with a screamer, he was only 16 at the time while most other players were 18 or 19.
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Rooney scored, caused us loads of problems both games and hit the crossbar with a screamer, he was only 16 at the time while most other players were 18 or 19.
Yes. Everyone who saw the matches recognised Rooney's undoubted ability.
It is true that Liam Ridgewell had a couple of good games.
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Villa were far better than Everton, but Rooney was the most promising player over the two legs.
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The first leg at Goodison Rooney hardly saw the ball. The second leg he was fantastic but we'd already won the tie.
I rated Wayne Henderson and always thought it was a shame he didn't play more for us, especially at a time we had an ageing Schmeichel then Enkleman.
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Rooney did very well in that game, and at Villa Park - I did not see the Everton leg - he was superb and looked like a25 year old at age 17. Hitting the bar - and the villa keeper did not move. And I agree that the chances of getting on in the senior squads are always limited nowadays. But with Villa, the coaching set up has to be a problem. I could not see Albrighton developing as he has with Leicester, and Cahill was risking his career going to a smaller club - but they developed him. Steve Davis likewise and I suspect Barry Bannan will get to a PRem Club as he is playing well regularly.
Jack is =indeed in the U21 squad and he has the talent, but whether the mentality is another matter. How Bruce handles him will be a test of Bruce as well as Grealish. It helps to have other kids around you week to week, and I don't see any others. Little had John Gidman and other good young players on the fringe, its easier to develop with a few mates around. But basically it is down to the people who work with the youngsters at Bodymoor, and I wonder if Andre Green and Co are getting the best coaching. We can pick the talent. What happened to the lad Arsenal paid a fortune for? If he had had a career path at Villa maybe he would have stayed rather than vanishing at the Emirates. Villa are not seen as a place to develop a career. SO we are back to Cahill going.
Given there is no money this season, Bruce has to be seen to develop young talent.
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...Given there is no money this season, Bruce has to be seen to develop young talent.
And bring in John Terry
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Villa were far better than Everton, but Rooney was the most promising player over the two legs.
Rooney was good but my main memory is the Moore brothers were fantastic particularly Stefan.
Didn't he score a wonder goal around the same time as Rooney in the premier league? He quickly drifted down the leagues after we let him go.
Luke Moore is still only about 32 now. More disappointed in him as I thought he showed some good potential in MON's first season but he too drifted away after injury and falling out of favour.
Hunger is everything for young players really. Rooney, Cahill and even Gabby coming through had it, the Moore brothers probably didn't.
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Stefan Moore seemed to be one of those players who had a trick or two up his sleeve, so would have looked good as a kid and in small patches in big matches, but didn't have the overall ability or desire to make it. I remember when he played against Charlton (I think) he made one of their players look like an absolute mug. He later played most of the match away at Blackburn which I went to, and he did absolutely nothing.
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Villa were far better than Everton, but Rooney was the most promising player over the two legs.
Rooney was good but my main memory is the Moore brothers were fantastic particularly Stefan.
Didn't he score a wonder goal around the same time as Rooney in the premier league? He quickly drifted down the leagues after we let him go.
Luke Moore is still only about 32 now. More disappointed in him as I thought he showed some good potential in MON's first season but he too drifted away after injury and falling out of favour.
Hunger is everything for young players really. Rooney, Cahill and even Gabby coming through had it, the Moore brothers probably didn't.
If I remember the first leg at Goodison Park was just after an England age game which Rooney had played in. To be fair to Flinstone he was the talk of the town at Youth level. There was a rumour that Manchester City had tried to brown envelope his father. At Villa Park in the 2nd leg although effectively the cup was already won he was the stand out player. Stefan Moore was good don't go overboard he was no Ronaldo.