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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2017, 06:40:52 PM
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Johnstone
Bree
Amavi
Chester
Baker
Thor
Angela
Hourihane
Adomah
Grealish
Kodjia
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I'd go....
Johnstone
Baker
Adomah
Bjarnason
Tshibola
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Ayew
Kodjia
Brilliant new signing centre forward.
Take Baker off for a striker if we need a goal.
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I've just read that hourihane is more of a holding midfielder than id thought:
I don’t think he’s this box-to-box midfielder that everyone touts him as. He just sits infront of the back four and breaks up play. He makes decisive passes and creates from deep.
That's good news. Means we can play a two and means we don't have to play Jedinak
So for me it's probably
Johnstone
Bree Chester baker amavi
3 from: hourihane Lansbury Jedinak grealish
Adomah kodjia ayew / green / Thor
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As is;
Johnstone
Bree R
Amavi L
Chester C
Baker C
Jedinak D
Hourahan A
Lansbury A
Adomah R
Kodjia C
Bjarneson L
If we sell a couple and sign Rhodes..
Same defence then...
Hourahan D
Lansbury A
Bjarnason A
Adomah R
Rhodes C
Kodjia L
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Johnstone
Bree McCafu
Amavi
Chester
Baker
Thor Jedi
Angela
Hourihane
Adomah
Grealish Green
Kodjia
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The new signings certainly now give us options. I would personally look to play a system that incorporates a midfield three and two strikers, so would go with:
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Bjarnason Hourihane
Lansbury
Kodjia ?
I have left a question mark up front as I hope we can bring in another forward in the window. If not then I would be inclined to give Ayew a chance in that position.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Amavi
Jedinak or Bjarneson
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish or Ayew or Adomah or new striker
Adomah or new striker
Kodjia
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-------------------Johnstone---------------
Bree-----Chester---------Baker------Amavi
---------------------Tish-------------------
---------Angela------------Hurricane-------
--Albert-----------------------Bjorn Again--
-------------------Sir Codj------------------
Well balanced side with a bit of everything. Jedinak for Tish if Tish is looking away with the fairies. Grealish from the bench.
Gabby, Westwood and Elphick marched to the gulag or glue factory, don't mind either way.
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I'd go....
Johnstone
Baker
Adomah
Bjarnason
Tshibola
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Ayew
Kodjia
Brilliant new signing centre forward.
Take Baker off for a striker if we need a goal.
No room for Chester???
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Ark at Tony Pulis here
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I'd go....
Chester (rush keeper)
Baker
Adomah
Bjarnason
Tshibola
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Ayew
Kodjia
Brilliant new signing centre forward.
Take Baker off for a striker if we need a goal.
No room for Chester???
I thought Baker would be a better option going forwards for corners. But I've edited the team to squeeze Chester in, see above.
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I'd go....
Chester (rush keeper)
Baker
Adomah
Bjarnason
Tshibola
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Ayew
Kodjia
Brilliant new signing centre forward.
Take Baker off for a striker if we need a goal.
No room for Chester???
I thought Baker would be a better option going forwards for corners. But I've edited the team to squeeze Chester in, see above.
Bit too defensive now for my liking
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I simply look forward to many selections that have Hutton and Driftwood nowhere near them.
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Seems to me that 9 are now nailed on starters: Johnstone; Bree, Chester, Baker, Amavi; Hourihane, Lansbury, Bjarnason; Kodjia. Final two places to be filled probably by a two from Grealish, Adomah and Jedinak. Given that SB seems to like us to be tighter and more competitive away from home I think he could go with 4-1-4-1:
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Whereas at home he could do a more expansive 4-4-1-1:
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Grealish
Kodjia
Either way the era of Bacuna/Westwood/Gardner type midfield appears to be over at last
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I'm a little concerned about Bree's age and experience. People tend to love an attack minded full back and paper over his defensive frailties-We are currently seeing it with Amavi and in the past we saw it with Lowton and before him Kyle Walker (who was very young at the time here and whilst good going forward, made numerous defensive cock ups, resulting in goals against. I personally like older heads across my back 4. For this reason, I'm going with Hutton to begin with:
Johnstone
Hutton
Chester
Baker
Amavi
Adoma
Lansbury
Bjarnason
new signing (Rhodes?)
Kodjia
I also suspect that Bjarnson maybe under threat if a wide left sided player comes in between now & Tuesday. I'm a little worried that the midfield may be a tad too attack minded but given I don't think we'll make the play offs, I'd like the next 10 or so games with something like the above. I would see Kodjia as the free man/number 10 type of player with a traditional number 9 ahead of him/to the side of him.
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Johnstone
Bree
Amavi
Chester
Baker
Thor
Angela
Hourihane
Adomah
Grealish
Kodjia
That'd be my team too.
With a bench of;
Bunn
Elphick
Green
Ayew
Lyden
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Johnstone
Bree
Amavi
Chester
Baker
Thor
Angela
Hourihane
Adomah
Grealish
Kodjia
Replace Jack with another forward and i'd be up for that
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Bjarnason and Adomah have a similar track record in terms of playing a lot of games for lower level teams.
That happens for a reason and on that basis I see them struggling to get into the team long term.
Useful back up only.
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I've just read that hourihane is more of a holding midfielder than id thought:
I don’t think he’s this box-to-box midfielder that everyone touts him as. He just sits infront of the back four and breaks up play. He makes decisive passes and creates from deep.
I'm not sure how true that is. He's scored one in four over the past two and a half seasons, which is a decent haul for a midfielder. In fact, in the last two seasons he's equalled or exceeded our top goalscorer (not hard to do, I'll admit).
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I've just read that hourihane is more of a holding midfielder than id thought:
I don’t think he’s this box-to-box midfielder that everyone touts him as. He just sits infront of the back four and breaks up play. He makes decisive passes and creates from deep.
I'm not sure how true that is. He's scored one in four over the past two and a half seasons, which is a decent haul for a midfielder. In fact, in the last two seasons he's equalled or exceeded our top goalscorer (not hard to do, I'll admit).
MC what did you read and where.
I know he is not a holding midfielder .
In his own words in first interview he states he all rounder and gets involved in creative and goals. He can play holding but he ain't a simple deep lying playmaking he's action forward thinking player who will be getting into the box. And shooting from outside area 25 /30 yards out.
I be interested to know where you read and if you could quote it Matt Collins .
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Johnstone
Bree
Amavi
Chester
Baker
Thor
Angela
Hourihane
Adomah
Grealish
Kodjia
I like this team except for the manure player.
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Out of bunn gollini and Johnstone, from what I've seen of them, I'd try to persevere with Johnstone til the end of the season and re-assess then. Hopefully with a beefed up midfield, we might score a few more goals and there will be less pressure for clean sheets and maybe less attacking pressure from opposing sides.
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Johnstone
Bree
Amavi
Chester
Baker
Thor
Angela
Jedi
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedink
Lansbury Hourhane
Adomah Jack
Kodjia
Would do 4-4-2 at home but will wait for the second striker
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I've just read that hourihane is more of a holding midfielder than id thought:
I don’t think he’s this box-to-box midfielder that everyone touts him as. He just sits infront of the back four and breaks up play. He makes decisive passes and creates from deep.
I'm not sure how true that is. He's scored one in four over the past two and a half seasons, which is a decent haul for a midfielder. In fact, in the last two seasons he's equalled or exceeded our top goalscorer (not hard to do, I'll admit).
MC what did you read and where.
I know he is not a holding midfielder .
In his own words in first interview he states he all rounder and gets involved in creative and goals. He can play holding but he ain't a simple deep lying playmaking he's action forward thinking player who will be getting into the box. And shooting from outside area 25 /30 yards out.
I be interested to know where you read and if you could quote it Matt Collins .
It was in the Birmingham mail - I think from a local Barnsley journalist
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/conor-hourihane-aston-villa-bagged-12511403
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I still would like to see a centre half come in as I am not convinced Baker is the rock that everyone thinks he is now, I do think he has improved, but he still dives in to rashly and his injury record isn't brilliant
And just because there is a song about him now doesn't mean he should be a starter!!!
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I've just read that hourihane is more of a holding midfielder than id thought:
I don’t think he’s this box-to-box midfielder that everyone touts him as. He just sits infront of the back four and breaks up play. He makes decisive passes and creates from deep.
I'm not sure how true that is. He's scored one in four over the past two and a half seasons, which is a decent haul for a midfielder. In fact, in the last two seasons he's equalled or exceeded our top goalscorer (not hard to do, I'll admit).
MC what did you read and where.
I know he is not a holding midfielder .
In his own words in first interview he states he all rounder and gets involved in creative and goals. He can play holding but he ain't a simple deep lying playmaking he's action forward thinking player who will be getting into the box. And shooting from outside area 25 /30 yards out.
I be interested to know where you read and if you could quote it Matt Collins .
It was in the Birmingham mail - I think from a local Barnsley journalist
http://www.b*r*i*g*a*m*a*l.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/conor-hourihane-aston-villa-bagged-12511403
Thanks Collins!
However it seems -he's a midfielder and a scarily good one at that.
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Why no Hurricane?
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...and where's Green gone?
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Bjarnason and Adomah have a similar track record in terms of playing a lot of games for lower level teams.
That happens for a reason and on that basis I see them struggling to get into the team long term.
Useful back up only.
We are a lower level team, people keep forgetting this. We've just been turned over by Cardiff and Wolves
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Having been at both of those games I don't need any reminder of the level we're at.
My point is that these two players are useful squad players - ok at this level, but nothing more.
If they are a major part of the team then that will be proof that the latest batch of recruitment has failed.
Sort of reminds me of when Ian Taylor was in the midfield. You couldn't help but admire him, but you knew he was never going to be part of a team which threatened to win the league.
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Have I done this yet? My guess is that Bruce intends to mirror Arsenal's formation of the Overmars years (1998ish).
-----------------Johnstone---------------
Bree-------Chester-----Baker----Amavi
Adomah--Angela-----Horaay---Iceland
-------------Kodija----Hogan-------------
Iceland is our Parlour equivalent and Adomah is Overmars. The midfield can quickly become a central three with Iceland playing more narrowly. Both strikers offer a bit of variety too. Grealish's challenge is to either become Pires or Llundberg.
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that looks like a tasty line-up, just hope Baker can steer clear of injuries
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Bruce is really going to struggle to find his best 14, what with Hogan and Taylor coming in; along with the other newbies.
Our short-term success will depend on his ability to find the right chemistry. The long term will depend on whether the newbies are actually any good.
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A couple of options I'd like to see us try...
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Taylor
Green Angela Horaay Grealish
Kodija Hogan
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Taylor
Jedi
Angela Horaay
Grealish
Kodija Hogan
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A couple of options I'd like to see us try...
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Taylor
Green Angela Horaay Grealish
Kodija Hogan
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Taylor
Jedi
Angela Horaay
Grealish
Kodija Hogan
That second team surely has to be the way to go forwards for us.
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After that shower of last night it has to be 442 with the 4 in midfield very narrow - neither full back is capable of job they are employed to do which is defending!
Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Taylor
Lansbury Jedinak hourihane green
Hogan kodjia
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I dunt think we can under estimate the importance of Jedinak. He gets stick but without him we are soft.
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And he will look even better with the likes of Lansbury and Hourihane around him
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Leaves the defence short if we get any injuries. I like the way spurs are set up 3 centre backs so bring Elphick in play Bree and Taylor as the attacking wing backs, emphasis on attack.
Jedinak Hourihane Lansbury in the middle with Hogan/Grealish up top with Kodjia.
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Nooooo! I hate three centre-backs.
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Leaves the defence short if we get any injuries. I like the way spurs are set up 3 centre backs so bring Elphick in play Bree and Taylor as the attacking wing backs, emphasis on attack.
Jedinak Hourihane Lansbury in the middle with Hogan/Grealish up top with Kodjia.
I think it might be the way forward as well but if you're playing wing backs it's surely got to be Bacuna and Amavi, who despite not being great defenders can certainly put a foot in, are quick and put a good (in Amavis case great) delivery into the box.
Elphick/Chester/Baker 3 centre backs
Jedinak/Hourahane/Lansbury midfield with Lansbury getting forward to support Kodjia and Hogan up front. What it relies on is Bacuna/Amavi and Hourahane running their bollox off getting forward and back but could work well if they do.
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I would like to set this setup on Saturday
Johnstone
Bree,Chester,Baker,Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane Jack
Hogan. Kodjia
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we are a very, very ,very good team on paper.
But we can all see the problem with that.
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I'd go with three centre backs but would convert Jedinak into one of them. Therefore I'd go.
Johnstone
Baker Chester Jedinak
Bacuna. Amavi
Hourihane Bjarnason Lansbury
Kodjia Hogan
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Looks good Holte L2, but Baker is so Left-footed that I don't think he would do well on the right IMO.
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I would like to set this setup on Saturday
Johnstone
Bree,Chester,Baker,Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane Jack
Hogan. Kodjia
That's what I'd go for too, 4-1-3-2. Possibly Jack could tuck in behind the front two and make it a diamond as well.
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well, this season has gone now.
We may as well start preparing for next season, in which case I'd play all of the new boys (bar the young kid) and try and get them to gel.
maybe we can hit the ground running next season.
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I would agree we now need to look forward to next season in terms of what our best line up is and that means no more Hutton and no more Amavi as neither will be here come August (for entirely different reasons)
I would go with Johnstone, Bree, Chester, Baker, Taylor, Jedinak, Hourihane, Lansbury/Grealish, Adomah/Green, Hogan and Kodjia
The likes of Elphick, Bacuna, Gardner, Thor and Gabby will obviously get game time but probably should not be starting
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Bruce is really going to struggle to find his best 14, what with Hogan and Taylor coming in; along with the other newbies.
Our short-term success will depend on his ability to find the right chemistry. The long term will depend on whether the newbies are actually any good.
I know quoting oneself is really not good protocol but I can't help myself after last night.
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I would like to set this setup on Saturday
Johnstone
Bree,Chester,Baker,Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane Jack
Hogan. Kodjia
That's what I'd go for too, 4-1-3-2. Possibly Jack could tuck in behind the front two and make it a diamond as well.
I really like that team on paper. Offers flexibility and most/all players doing what they're best at. The 'on paper' bit is pretty crucial though as the flexibility and interchanging of positions could easily unravel into chaos without each player knowing their roles (in varying situations). With all those leaders you'd hope that one or two of them would be good at game management.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
I quite like that team but prefer Adomah to Grealish and Elphick to Baker.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
Not a bad looking side but i'd have Amavi for Taylor.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
I quite like that team but prefer Adomah to Grealish and Elphick to Baker.
I think getting a system sorted and more defined and repeated strategy should be the priority. Then it is a question of who is in form with hopefully a couple of players competing for most positions.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
I quite like that team but prefer Adomah to Grealish and Elphick to Baker.
I think getting a system sorted and more defined and repeated strategy should be the priority. Then it is a question of who is in form with hopefully a couple of players competing for most positions.
Agree with that. He's got to find a system and style of playing that gets results and pretty sharpish too. We still look a disjointed mess.
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One of our big problems for a while now, or at least seems that way to me, is that we've bought often good players and then once we have them seemed to try and figure out how to play them in the same side. I hope Bruce has a system and style of play he wants for us and has bought the players to implement that.
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One of our big problems for a while now, or at least seems that way to me, is that we've bought often good players and then once we have them seemed to try and figure out how to play them in the same side. I hope Bruce has a system and style of play he wants for us and has bought the players to implement that.
I agree PWS and that certainly seemed the case with the summer signings. I'm guessing Hogan has been bought to partner Kodjia, but I'm not so sure about the midfielders.Lansbury looked good on the ball at times last night, but the defensive side of his game looked questionable.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
This all day long.
Last night (as in other games), the front 3 were becoming isolated from each other with the 2 wide players hugging the touchlines.
With the diamond, we are more dependent on the full backs for width so it might be Amavi at LB for me. The formation is spot on though.
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Whatever we play we have to make sure the midfield are closer to the attack than in recent games. As a team we need to be more compact. I don't think Adomah is useful away from home, so would probably play 352 away and 442 at home.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
This all day long.
Last night (as in other games), the front 3 were becoming isolated from each other with the 2 wide players hugging the touchlines.
With the diamond, we are more dependent on the full backs for width so it might be Amavi at LB for me. The formation is spot on though.
I would agree. I think we have to play two up front and I think the Brentford game highlighted that we also need a defensive midfielder. That leaves a diamond or 3-5-2. Not sure we have got the defenders to play three at the back so a diamond looks the best best. Would probably go with Lansbury just behind Hogan and Kodjia.
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Johnstone
Bree
Chester
Baker
Taylor
Jedinak
Lansbury
Hourihane
Grealish
Kodjia
Hogan
My system would be a diamond, with Kodjia to pull wide and create space for the midfield runners to hit.
This for me too.
On paper this team should be pissing this league.
Time to earn your crust Brucie.
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We're an even lower level team now - and they're still not very good.
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well, Hogan's not going to be making the starting 11 for a while I would have thought.