Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2017, 01:32:22 PM
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Was no one from here at the fan forum meeting with SB the other day?
Would rather read about it from our own sources that the up his own arse MOMS or the even more self important HH on twitter.
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They were, but there are certain things they were asked not to reveal until the signings had been announced. So short of just saying "I went to this thing and can't really talk about it" they thought there wasn't much to say just yet.
A report will be put up pretty soon I'd expect.
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They were, but there are certain things they were asked not to reveal until the signings had been announced. So short of just saying "I went to this thing and can't really talk about it" they thought there wasn't much to say just yet.
A report will be put up pretty soon I'd expect.
My God, I am so proud of the honest bunch we have at our helm. Good on ya's all.
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Hi!
I was there but have a ridiculously busy day at work today due to not being there for quite a bit of yesterday. I won't be in til about 9pm now - and I need to think about what I am going to write! I will try and write something later though!
It was a really good meeting. steve Bruce is warm, funny, outrageously honest at times (which is why I need to think about what should be out here and what shouldn't a bit more) - but you can also tell he can be really tough too.
I'll catch you later.
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Thanks Amfy, was hoping you were there. much prefer your reports of these meetings.
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Can't wait, personally.
I am sure whatever you can tell us will nicely round-off what has come to light during today, so far.
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Who are MOMS and HH?
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My Old Man Said is a website and HH would be Howard Hodgson.
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Thank you!
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Thank you!
My pleasure. Or maybe that should be MP!
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Was no one from here at the fan forum meeting with SB the other day?
Would rather read about it from our own sources that the up his own arse MOMS or the even more self important HH on twitter.
I agree, Chris. MOMS are dreadful. A Facebook page full of snide comments.
Looking forward to hearing about what Bruce had to say from people on here, also.
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Hi!
Well - hoping not to break any confidences as it is always hard to tell what is supposed to be out there and what isn't when they are not specific - and the one thing that was specific was - don't tell anyone who we are signing before they do!
Well I guess Steve Bruce himself is pretty much as you have all already seen him. He was really engaging and the time with him really flew by. He was keen to include everyone in the conversation which was really nice as at previous events of this type there has been a tendency for certain members to dominate. No doubt he is as inclusive with his players.
He does still feel there is a lot of work to do here and feels it will take a couple more windows to get the team we want. That doesn't mean we are ruling out getting back up this year - he wants us back there as quickly as possible, and would be delighted to be finishing the job of re-building the team whilst in 'the big league'. There is no fear of 'going up too soon' & he believes we can string a run together that puts us in amongst it.
He talked in great detail about what he felt we were missing, what we needed, and how he was addressing this - I.e. Specific qualities of the players he is bringing in. He doesn't feel we have had the right personnel to play in the way this league requires, but was very clear about how this is now being built in.
There was significant synergy between his account and our meeting with Steve Round which was good to observe.
He hasn't been able to set us up how he wants, and he knows it hasn't been pretty, but his first job, with the players we have had, has been to instill resilience, and he is hoping even these first signings will give us better shape and make us more exciting.
With regard to Gabby, he was very clear about how he had won his chance The detail of how it had come about made it clear that this was a justifiable decision. The player's own commitment at this stage, doesn't make up for what went before in his eyes either, but actually is impressive. Like we have said on here - Gabs has done nothing wrong (and as it turns out a hell of a lot right) on his watch.
With regard to gate gate, Bruce was able to re-assure us that the player's emotional health was a consideration, and is not been overlooked as a potential issue.
We got to shake James Bree's hand and have 5minutes chat with him, as he was the one who was 100% whist we were there. He seemed incredibly excited to be here which was nice, and he made me feel incredibly old as I felt like I needed to look after him on his first time away from Yorkshire - but that probably wouldn't go well!
We were told about BB and the other who still can't be named, and they were both in the building but still not totally over the line at that stage. We were all googling BB who looks very exciting & by the time we left it was pretty clear that someone in that meeting had probably leaked it against instructions. He was very clear how all of them fit into our proposed shape.
We did talk about loads of different stuff, right down to 'Why don't we leave someone up when we're defending a corner?' And even that made sense! I am not a great tactician - I love to watch the ebb and flow of a game but I don't really have a great grasp of formations and that kind of stuff - but the way he talked it brought it to life for me. I think he does make everything make sense - and that is probably what the players get too.
Hope this is helpful enough for people to feel they have had feedback, but not so much that I get banned from attending future meetings!
Overall - very impressive! Again - you will see elsewhere on social media that far more cynical souls than me were impressed too.
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that all sounds very positive Amfy, thanks for the feedback. I admit I am a Gabby hater but the important thing is, if Bruce wants him, then he should get him and then live or die by his decision
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I would love to know why we don't leave anybody up when defending a corner, if that is possible to say, as I am always going on about it?
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I'm not sure if I can say - I'm pretty sure iwhat he said is not an individual stroke of genius from Bruce that no-one else knows about, but what if it is?
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I would love to know why we don't leave anybody up when defending a corner, if that is possible to say, as I am always going on about it?
Someone explained that once. It's to do with how you're more likely to be able to break quickly if you have a player who can run onto a clearance if they don't have to chase back for it and turn, as clearances are more likely to land near a player on the edge of the penalty area than the halfway line. Or something.
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Great feedback amfy, I am also one of those fans who wonders why we don't leave someone "up front" when defending corners as everyone around me at the match would testify
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Me too - but no more - and those around me at Villa Park will now be educated!
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I would love to know why we don't leave anybody up when defending a corner, if that is possible to say, as I am always going on about it?
Someone explained that once. It's to do with how you're more likely to be able to break quickly if you have a player who can run onto a clearance if they don't have to chase back for it and turn, as clearances are more likely to land near a player on the edge of the penalty area than the halfway line. Or something.
I think it's got something to do with the top speeds of the players and the number of defenders left to beat. Someone with Tony Daley/younger Gabby pace would be more likely to beat a single defender when running forwards on a to ball at full pace near halfway than a player having to control the ball and the beat two defenders who would be left to mark him.
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Me too - but no more - and those around me at Villa Park will now be educated!
Consider me educated, many thanks
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I really appreciate your feedback Amfy. It's so encouraging to read, it really feels like Villa are becoming galvanised after such a long time.
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Amfy, your insight was well worth the wait. Thanks. Almost like we were there, too.
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Thanks for sharing. Really interesting reading. Can I ask the amfy do you readily agree with what Bruce was saying . Is there anything you like to comment regards your own opinion on what Bruce said or are you not really able to comment. It's a great insight into the fan forum and that there seems to be a plan in place . I guess I'm asking how you as some one who was there view in from your own personal expectations and has that altered from hearing what Bruce said.
Any comments you made at meeting shared would be interesting too if that's allowed and okay .
Thanks again for giving info and details of the fan forum I enjoyed reading and i think you make sense in having thoughtful writing.
Have a nice weekend amfy
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I think I did agree with what he was saying - the way we play and what needs changing is very much what we all see. I am trying to think if he said something I wasn't happy with and I don't think he did. He comes over as very honest and genuine too. I was impressed that he can admit to mistakes as well as knowing how to fix them.
In terms of what I contributed, I think it was me that asked directly about gategate - as a social worker it concerned me and I was happy with the depth and genuineness of his response.
Other than that - odd bits of banter and conversational tooing and froing - Nothing exact, but I definitely felt I was in the conversation, which I didn't when I met Paul Lambert in a similar forum.
I think overall I feel more confident because he knows how to run people. I don't think he would stand for stuff like 'I didn't choose the players' or 'they said I'd have money and then I didn't get any' like a couple of recent managers. He is experienced and established enough to walk away - and has done, when he is disempowered as a manager - so if he knows what he is doing, and he seems to, I feelmwe are in good hands as long as we have him.
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Brilliant stuff and brilliant personable reply too. Thanks for both insights on your own and Bruce character! Both valued.
Have a nice weekend!
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Amfy you are definitely the right person in the right place, great report and "personal take". Long may it continue, really appreciate it.
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Thanks Amfy
Do you get the impression the bridge is well and truly burnt with Ross mcCormack, or is there a way back?
Can you be more specific about gabby? other than working hard what does he like about him?
As always, thanks for you feedback on this.
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Excellent feedback. Bruce seems a good bloke and half decent football manager. I sincerely hope we have success with him at the helm in the coming years.
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Great report.
Was there much big-picture stuff ie Tony's plans which Bruce has been privy to hearing about.
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Thanks Amfy
Do you get the impression the bridge is well and truly burnt with Ross mcCormack, or is there a way back?
Can you be more specific about gabby? other than working hard what does he like about him?
As always, thanks for you feedback on this.
He is definitely v pissed off with Mc Cormack, but I wouldn't say there's NO way back, it'll just take some doing. He wasn't specific in that regard.
Besides Gabby's exceptional effort since he's got here, I think I am right in saying he sees Gabby as the player who is closest to giving the team the desired shape going forward within the resources we currently have/had. (And no - that shape isn't 'round'!). its difficult to explain that without saying more about how we are aiming to play - and someone pulled me up in the pub about possibly saying too much about that last time and giving our tactics away!
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Thanks. I wouldn't worry too much about giving away tactics, any half decent football manager will pick those up after watching half a game.
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Thanks. I wouldn't worry too much about giving away tactics, any half decent football manager will pick those up after watching half a game.
Great report.
Was there much big-picture stuff ie Tony's plans which Bruce has been privy to hearing about.
Not really no - it was very much about his own role and views.
.....and I thought that about tactics too, but you never know - I might have some amazing insight now that I have learned at the feet of the mighty Brucie!
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I guess it has to be asked. Did Bruce still appear in good shape. I think he did a great job in summer working on his fitness.
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One of the first questions was about the kebab shop picture which appeared on Twitter and we had a bit of a laugh about that. He said it was a chicken shop!
I guess he has a little timber on the middle but not much and when you get to a certain age and that gets a bit harder to keep off as I know only too well! I did tell him he was failing at positive role modelling! He certainly isn't yet hitting anywhere near the levels of worn out hollow shell like trampdom that we have reduced most of our previous managers to!
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Did you ask the really REALLY important questions though? Owls or gibbons? Red or brown sauce?
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And why didn't Barry take that penalty?
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Hi Amfy, Dr T has referred to various transfers as percentage. There still appears to be one around the 50% outstanding, not expecting a name but were any more alluded to?
Also, thanks for your superb writings relating to forums you have attended, very insightful and much appreciated.
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They didn't allude to a 4th - sorry - no Idea who else we are after.
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Cheers, will have to sit back and wait :-)
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I would love to know why we don't leave anybody up when defending a corner, if that is possible to say, as I am always going on about it?
Someone explained that once. It's to do with how you're more likely to be able to break quickly if you have a player who can run onto a clearance if they don't have to chase back for it and turn, as clearances are more likely to land near a player on the edge of the penalty area than the halfway line. Or something.
The counter argument for that is that having one player further up the field allows you to take control of the ball and release the runners rather than gamble that the ball will land at your players feet as that invariably means hoping the oppositions attack has to break down.
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You're all wrong anyway!
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Intrigued by this thought that gabby is key to the way he wants to play. And a bit worried
He does seem to like kodjia wide left, but then we were linked with expensive left wingers
So am a bit confused
Anyway guess we'll start to see over the next few games. Maybe he thinks we can play 442 with our new midfielders . .
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Was no one from here at the fan forum meeting with SB the other day?
Would rather read about it from our own sources that the up his own arse MOMS or the even more self important HH on twitter.
Bit harsh buddy , I can't speak for MOMs as don't visit it but on the occasions I've met HH I've always found him to be a top bloke with Villa in his heart .
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Was no one from here at the fan forum meeting with SB the other day?
Would rather read about it from our own sources that the up his own arse MOMS or the even more self important HH on twitter.
Bit harsh buddy , I can't speak for MOMs as don't visit it but on the occasions I've met HH I've always found him to be a top bloke with Villa in his heart .
Fair enough we're all able to make our own judgements. My own impression has always been he is a self important egotistical arsehole. Did you ever read his 'Hodgson Report' on how to take the villa forward? It was like something a 12 year old would have written.
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He has a boat and fast cars and is considerably richer than you.
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He has a boat and fast cars and is considerably richer than you.
I think you'll find he's also even better looking than me.
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He has a boat and fast cars and is considerably richer than you.
I think you'll find he's also even better looking than me.
Didn't want to really rub your nose in it.
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He has a boat and fast cars and is considerably richer than you.
Has he? Blimey, he kept that quiet.
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You're all wrong anyway!
Okay, to pull the defenders out wide but with no real intention of picking up the ball, but rather pull defenders out of the space for your runners to occupy.
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He has a boat and fast cars and is considerably richer than you.
Has he? Blimey, he kept that quiet.
We can't all be Ton Cruise.
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Has he put on that much weight?
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I've just read this thread for the first time
Why not keep people up for a corner
A possible suggestion of an answer is given by Tony Morleys' goal against Dynamo Berlin
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Another example is perhaps this one
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https://vimeo.com/72561509