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Title: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Jean Quereue-Quereue on January 23, 2017, 11:14:33 PM
Heads up for those who used it - the Villa shop in New St (http://shop.avfc.co.uk/villa-stores/index.html) is permanently closed from today.  Bit of a shame as I'd always get tickets in there in cash to avoid booking fees.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 23, 2017, 11:19:27 PM
We really are becoming 2nd rate  >:( :'(
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2017, 11:19:41 PM
Its a shame that in the city the size of ours there is not enough business for a club like the Villa to keep a presence in the centre.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Used it a lot over the years, they had some great staff in there that were a credit to the club that were made redundant under the old owners. Unless it's losing a fortune, it's disappointing not to have a presence in such a prominent place in the city centre.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2017, 11:24:17 PM
Disappointing. Perhaps more a symbol of our increasingly online World, rather than a sign of Villa failing to sell themselves properly.

Feel sorry for the staff.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 23, 2017, 11:26:17 PM
What about the support of the future, come on Tone its not rocket science.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2017, 11:28:20 PM
It's not about selling stuff though it was all about the Villa having a presence in a prime spot in our city centre. Even if it costs a million pounds it's worth having IMO.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2017, 11:30:29 PM
What about the support of the future, come on Tone its not rocket science.

You're right. If a shop's losing money you don't keep it open.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 23, 2017, 11:30:53 PM
Surprised people haven't bombarded Tone with tweets about this. They usually complain to him if their pie was a bit cold at the match.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 23, 2017, 11:37:23 PM
What about the support of the future, come on Tone its not rocket science.

You're right. If a shop's losing money you don't keep it open.
That sorry Dave, is bollocks, call it a loss leader if you wish but we have to think of the future.
I see more and more MU, L, MC, even Leicester on a weekly basis, we need to let the city and others know who we are.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2017, 11:40:56 PM
What about the support of the future, come on Tone its not rocket science.

The "support of the future" are far more likely to do their shopping online than the older generations.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2017, 11:42:19 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Clampy on January 23, 2017, 11:43:31 PM
That's a shame for the staff if anything. Sorry to see it go but it must have been losing money for them to have made a decision like that.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2017, 11:45:33 PM
What about the support of the future, come on Tone its not rocket science.

You're right. If a shop's losing money you don't keep it open.
That sorry Dave, is bollocks, call it a loss leader if you wish but we have to think of the future.
I see more and more MU, L, MC, even Leicester on a weekly basis, we need to let the city and others know who we are.

What's bollocks, as you charmingly called it, is thinking that having a shop that's invariably empty, surrounded by tat shops and all you can eat buffets,  is going to encourage anyone, young or old, to give an extra thought to the Villa. Twenty years ago, maybe. Now, not a chance.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 23, 2017, 11:50:55 PM
What about the support of the future, come on Tone its not rocket science.

You're right. If a shop's losing money you don't keep it open.
That sorry Dave, is bollocks, call it a loss leader if you wish but we have to think of the future.
I see more and more MU, L, MC, even Leicester on a weekly basis, we need to let the city and others know who we are.

What's bollocks, as you charmingly called it, is thinking that having a shop that's invariably empty, surrounded by tat shops and all you can eat buffets,  is going to encourage anyone, young or old, to give an extra thought to the Villa. Twenty years ago, maybe. Now, not a chance.
Probably not the right way to express my feelings, but we really need to keep a high profile in the city centre, especially now.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2017, 11:55:05 PM
Probably not the right way to express my feelings, but we really need to keep a high profile in the city centre, especially now.

Stick a few adverts up then.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 24, 2017, 12:01:24 AM
Sad to say that Doctor Tony's tweets are more effective than the New Street shop these days.

When Charlie Chaplain made the film "Modern Times", he wasn't kidding around.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
Probably not the right way to express my feelings, but we really need to keep a high profile in the city centre, especially now.

Stick a few adverts up then.
Thats really not going to make much difference though, is it? I love adidas gear and always make a beeline for their shop when in town.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 24, 2017, 01:13:23 AM
It might mean we are looking for a new location for cheaper rent. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: django on January 24, 2017, 01:49:23 AM
It probably made sense when we were chasing fourth place in the premier
League. Disappearing without trace in the championship, not
so much.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: robbo1874 on January 24, 2017, 02:24:26 AM
Surprised people haven't bombarded Tone with tweets about this. They usually complain to him if their pie was a bit cold at the match.
whingeing Villa fans?
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 24, 2017, 07:06:53 AM
Been in a few times during the week and ive never seen more than a couple of people in there
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 24, 2017, 07:10:11 AM
Surprised people haven't bombarded Tone with tweets about this. They usually complain to him if their pie was a bit cold at the match.

Crikey you don't like Villa fans much do you.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: London Villan on January 24, 2017, 07:36:03 AM
A ticket kiosk or two would make sense, a shop less so these days. That said if there was still a tourist information office in the city tickets could have been sold in ther.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 24, 2017, 08:05:04 AM
To be fair it was surrounded by pretty low class shops so would be better to have. Smaller shop in a better part of town, like in the bullring?

The day of the shop is slowly coming to an end and online retail is the way forward, I can't see the point in having a fully stocked and staffed shop that isn't covering its own costs especially when we aren't in the premier league.

Cut your cloth to suit and all that
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 24, 2017, 08:37:57 AM
Surprised people haven't bombarded Tone with tweets about this. They usually complain to him if their pie was a bit cold at the match.

Crikey you don't like Villa fans much do you.
Ok sweetheart. Fail to see how that means I don't like Villa fans? It was tongue in cheek if anything that they abuse him being on there to message him about silly things.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 24, 2017, 09:00:22 AM
I think this may be something to do with many of the other shops at that end of New Street being closed and stripped out.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2017, 09:11:26 AM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.

Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: class-of-82 on January 24, 2017, 10:26:23 AM
surely taking over a small part of retail space in debenhams or selfridges would make more sense
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 24, 2017, 11:02:05 AM
Surprised people haven't bombarded Tone with tweets about this. They usually complain to him if their pie was a bit cold at the match.

Please don't encourage them
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Axl Rose on January 24, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Its a shame that in the city the size of ours there is not enough business for a club like the Villa to keep a presence in the centre.

I agree, mate. Took the wife in there in September and she loved it. Hopefully they'll move to another place.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2017, 12:00:42 PM
The airport might be a good spot for a shop, if it weren't so pokey.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2017, 12:01:43 PM
Its a shame that in the city the size of ours there is not enough business for a club like the Villa to keep a presence in the centre.

I agree, mate. Took the wife in there in September and she loved it. Hopefully they'll move to another place.

You old romantic
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Axl Rose on January 24, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Its a shame that in the city the size of ours there is not enough business for a club like the Villa to keep a presence in the centre.

I agree, mate. Took the wife in there in September and she loved it. Hopefully they'll move to another place.

You old romantic

Haha. And then she was taken to the ground. What a sight it is, always. She loved it, aswell.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 12:12:29 PM
The airport might be a good spot for a shop, if it weren't so pokey.

It wouldn't. Tourist spend there on touristy stuff is negligible.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on January 24, 2017, 12:17:20 PM
Too many gloryhunters in town now.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Ducksworthy on January 24, 2017, 12:26:23 PM
The airport might be a good spot for a shop, if it weren't so pokey.

It wouldn't. Tourist spend there on touristy stuff is negligible.

Oddly, the only place I've seen Villa merchandise on sale outside of the West Midlands was Dublin airport. Agree though, you're unlike to buy Villa gear at an airport so don't think it's much of a goer.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 24, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
It might be worth it if we had more flights to places like India, Pakistan, China and others but not at present.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2017, 12:34:11 PM
Airport stores cost an absolute fortune - FAR more than New Street.  It's very, very difficult to get space in them.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
Airport stores cost an absolute fortune - FAR more than New Street.  It's very, very difficult to get space in them.

And even then it's often for the advertising value rather than the income.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 24, 2017, 12:40:28 PM

The day of the shop is slowly coming to an end and online retail is the way forward

It's about time Villa recognised this and improved the online shopping "experience" for people who have no choice but to buy their Villa stuff electronically. The online shop is rubbish. 
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: cdward on January 24, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
I can't be arsed to look, but i bet there's a thread on some Bluenose forum with the "It's because all Villa fans are from outside Birmingham" line being thrown around.

Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 12:43:55 PM
I can't be arsed to look, but i bet there's a thread on some Bluenose forum with the "It's because all Villa fans are from outside Birmingham" line being thrown around.



And their Dale End Shopping Experience closed how long ago?
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: MarkM on January 24, 2017, 12:45:25 PM

The day of the shop is slowly coming to an end and online retail is the way forward

It's about time Villa recognised this and improved the online shopping "experience" for people who have no choice but to buy their Villa stuff electronically. The online shop is rubbish. 

A while ago I bought online one of the autographed pictures of the European Cup winning team and paid extra to get it next day.

What they failed to say on the site was that next day actually meant the next day after they got it in stock, not next day after you order and as they had no stock it could mean anytime! The site did not say 'out of stock' or anything like it.

I had to phone and complain to get my extra payment back!
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2017, 12:47:46 PM
I've seen lots of other teams' shirts and tat in airports around the world, but never any Villa stuff. Perhaps a shop is too much, but at least a presence in a tourist tat outlet might work. Most major airports have something that represents the culture of that city or region - Hamburg airport, for example, flogs St Pauli and HSV stuff. I understand it's different with Villa, Brum airport (which is poxy) and the city of Birmingham generally.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 12:50:18 PM
I've seen lots of other teams' shirts and tat in airports around the world, but never any Villa stuff. Perhaps a shop is too much, but at least a presence in a tourist tat outlet might work. Most major airports have something that represents the culture of that city or region - Hamburg airport, for example, flogs St Pauli and HSV stuff. I understand it's different with Villa, Brum airport (which is poxy) and the city of Birmingham generally.

There isn't a tourist outlet at Birmingham airport. The closest you have is a JD Sports, which I think sells Villa shirts.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2017, 12:51:18 PM
That doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
There was one, but it closed because it never, ever had any customers. It's Joe & the Juice now.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Rioch is King on January 24, 2017, 12:53:41 PM
I've seen Villa kits on sale in the sports shop at Luton airport in the past but not this season. They had Luton town shirts in there recently.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2017, 12:54:55 PM
 I totally understand that. There is no narrative or 'brand' to sell. 
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 12:57:30 PM
Either that or people would rather buy over-priced smoothies.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2017, 01:12:40 PM
There was one, but it closed because it never, ever had any customers. It's Joe & the Juice now.

Sounds like a terrible American morning radio show.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: andrew08 on January 24, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.



And a correct one then. At those costs I'd be surprised if that shop has ever made the club a penny. Another one of our previous owners vanity projects.

Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 02:11:09 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.



And a correct one then. At those costs I'd be surprised if that shop has ever made the club a penny. Another one of our previous owners vanity projects.



To be fair to all concerned, when the first shop opened Mark Ansell said that if it broke even they'd be happy - the main idea was to provide an additional service. I can't remember when it moved to New Street but the general concensus then was that it was good to be in a more high-profile place. Times and shopping patterns change.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 24, 2017, 02:12:04 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.



And a correct one then. At those costs I'd be surprised if that shop has ever made the club a penny. Another one of our previous owners vanity projects.



It's mad innit. £205,000 per year rent is a lot of money to be spunking up the wall yet we pay that every month to keep Gabby in laughing gas and Lamborghinis.   
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2017, 02:13:17 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.



And a correct one then. At those costs I'd be surprised if that shop has ever made the club a penny. Another one of our previous owners vanity projects.



To be fair to all concerned, when the first shop opened Mark Ansell said that it it broke even they'd be happy - the main idea was to provide an additional service. I can't remember when it moved to New Street but the general concensus then was that it was good to be in a more high-profile place. Times and shopping patterns change.

I was just trying to remember myself when it moved. It's been there a while.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: LeeS on January 24, 2017, 02:22:19 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.



And a correct one then. At those costs I'd be surprised if that shop has ever made the club a penny. Another one of our previous owners vanity projects.



To be fair to all concerned, when the first shop opened Mark Ansell said that it it broke even they'd be happy - the main idea was to provide an additional service. I can't remember when it moved to New Street but the general concensus then was that it was good to be in a more high-profile place. Times and shopping patterns change.

I was just trying to remember myself when it moved. It's been there a while.

Before I moved to that there London I worked in the city centre and back then the Villa shop was in the Pavilions. I moved in 2008
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Chris Smith on January 24, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
I bought my grandson a kit from there just before Christmas, there were more staff than customers even though the road outside was packed. Shopping habits have changed, both for merchandise and tickets, so not really surprised by the closure.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2017, 02:26:28 PM
I think it was 2009 but not going to swear to it.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: darren woolley on January 24, 2017, 03:45:59 PM
I was in there on Saturday and got talking to the man who works behind the ticket counter upstairs he said he was being moved to the ticket office at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2017, 03:53:37 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.



And a correct one then. At those costs I'd be surprised if that shop has ever made the club a penny. Another one of our previous owners vanity projects.



To be fair to all concerned, when the first shop opened Mark Ansell said that it it broke even they'd be happy - the main idea was to provide an additional service. I can't remember when it moved to New Street but the general concensus then was that it was good to be in a more high-profile place. Times and shopping patterns change.

I was just trying to remember myself when it moved.

I remember yourself when it moved.

You were a bit younger and a lot happier about The Villa.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Dr Butler on January 24, 2017, 04:25:53 PM
so where did the shop move from ? as I only remember there being a "outlet" next to the noses in the bottom part of the Co-op in town, unless my memory is playing tricks which would not be the first time :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2017, 04:27:00 PM
so where did the shop move from ? as I only remember there being a "outlet" next to the noses in the bottom part of the Co-op in town, unless my memory is playing tricks which would not be the first time :)

UTV
The Doc
There was one in the lower level of the Pavillions
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Dr Butler on January 24, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
so where did the shop move from ? as I only remember there being a "outlet" next to the noses in the bottom part of the Co-op in town, unless my memory is playing tricks which would not be the first time :)

UTV
The Doc
There was one in the lower level of the Pavillions

cheers Chris......my memory is getting...erm.....:)

UTV
THe Doc
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Nev on January 24, 2017, 05:05:18 PM
That part of New Street looks a bit down at heel, particularly since BHS went ponto.

I've only ever been in to the shop once, they didn't have what I wanted then. But I'm not one to run around bedecked in merchandise to be fair.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2017, 05:15:25 PM
so where did the shop move from ? as I only remember there being a "outlet" next to the noses in the bottom part of the Co-op in town, unless my memory is playing tricks which would not be the first time :)

UTV
The Doc
There was one in the lower level of the Pavillions

cheers Chris......my memory is getting...erm.....:)

UTV
THe Doc

You're both talking about the same place. Chris probably doesn't remember when it was the Co-op.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 24, 2017, 05:20:33 PM
Poor move by the villa. Surely the shop would attract young kids dragging their parents in, beginning a lifetime love affair with everything claret and blue
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 24, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
I would have team up with Blues, Wolves, Albion, Walsall and Warwickshire Cricket Club and form a small chain of sport shops together. It amazed me no one thought of doing this.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 06:33:17 PM
Poor move by the villa. Surely the shop would attract young kids dragging their parents in, beginning a lifetime love affair with everything claret and blue

If it did it wouldn't have closed. The world's changed and kids don't get dragged Up Town by their mom on Saturday afternoon any longer.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2017, 07:10:39 PM
Poor move by the villa. Surely the shop would attract young kids dragging their parents in, beginning a lifetime love affair with everything claret and blue

If it did it wouldn't have closed. The world's changed and kids don't get dragged Up Town by their mom on Saturday afternoon any longer.

Right, I need to have words with my mother, I knew it wasn't compulsory. Thanks Dave.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 24, 2017, 07:28:53 PM
Poor move by the villa. Surely the shop would attract young kids dragging their parents in, beginning a lifetime love affair with everything claret and blue

If it did it wouldn't have closed. The world's changed and kids don't get dragged Up Town by their mom on Saturday afternoon any longer.

Jammy little bastards.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
Poor move by the villa. Surely the shop would attract young kids dragging their parents in, beginning a lifetime love affair with everything claret and blue

If it did it wouldn't have closed. The world's changed and kids don't get dragged Up Town by their mom on Saturday afternoon any longer.

Jammy little bastards.

I used to negotiate a Wimpey out of it, or else I'd play up.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 24, 2017, 07:33:12 PM
Considering we all complained for years that Doug run the club with a `corner shop mentality` we should be pleased.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 24, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
Poor move by the villa. Surely the shop would attract young kids dragging their parents in, beginning a lifetime love affair with everything claret and blue

If it did it wouldn't have closed. The world's changed and kids don't get dragged Up Town by their mom on Saturday afternoon any longer.

Jammy little bastards.

I used to negotiate a Wimpey out of it, or else I'd play up.

I used to get taken to Toys Я Us, but only if I was good.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 24, 2017, 08:30:04 PM
That's good. How'd you do that Cruyff turn on the capital " R" then ?
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 24, 2017, 08:33:22 PM
Googled "backwards R", then copied and pasted.

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Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Nev on January 24, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Poor move by the villa. Surely the shop would attract young kids dragging their parents in, beginning a lifetime love affair with everything claret and blue

If it did it wouldn't have closed. The world's changed and kids don't get dragged Up Town by their mom on Saturday afternoon any longer.

Jammy little bastards.

I used to negotiate a Wimpey out of it, or else I'd play up.

A jam dougnut from that Cafe underneath the Bull St/Corporation St island. It had bright orange seats.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2017, 09:12:02 PM
Depends how much it's losing. Or if the landlords are trying to screw us because we're Villa and they thought we'd pay it.
It's nothing to do with the Landlords.

The rent was £205,000 pa, the business rates approx £72,000 pa and a small service charge - less than £5k pa.

There was a few years left on the lease with a legal right to renew at market rent.

This was purely a commercial decision.
Commercial decisions can also be made differently. For me it is well worth to keep presence in the centre of out city even if the outlet is not making any money through retail sales. It should be in the main mall in the Bullring  and the total annual cost would be no more them 3 months of N'Zogbia's wages.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Louzie0 on January 24, 2017, 09:14:11 PM
Stupid decision, I agree with olaftab.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 24, 2017, 09:26:17 PM
You want the club to go bankrupt through wasted marketing dollars ? Have sense. It's already going bankrupt through crap purchases !
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 24, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
Shame, although I always preferred the old one in the Pavilions.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Chris Harte on January 24, 2017, 09:31:23 PM
Shame its gone. I bought a few items in there before Christmas. And sounds like it has been handy to some for buying/collecting tickets too.

Even if it hadn't sold a single item it surely wasn't as big a money sink as Agbon's wage packet over the last eighteen months.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 24, 2017, 09:32:53 PM
Maybe Agbonlahor should be stood in the Pavillions with a bag of merchandise and some tickets to flog, instead, then ?
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Chris Harte on January 24, 2017, 09:36:22 PM
Maybe Agbonlahor should be stood in the Pavillions with a bag of merchandise and some tickets to flog, instead, then ?
Stocks and rotten fruit spring to mind but that's for a different thread.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Louzie0 on January 24, 2017, 09:41:19 PM
You want the club to go bankrupt through wasted marketing dollars ? Have sense. It's already going bankrupt through crap purchases !

You know, Bob, I don't think the club would go bankrupt.
Call me crazy, call me optimistic, but Dr Tony sold me on his story of unlimited £millions when he took over our beloved Club.

I am surprised at the relinquishing of a high viz city centre focus for The Villa.
Just when we are about to revive in the Champs, given the signings.

It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2017, 09:44:03 PM
You want the club to go bankrupt through wasted marketing dollars ? Have sense. It's already going bankrupt through crap purchases !

You know, Bob, I don't think the club would go bankrupt.
Call me crazy, call me optimistic, but Dr Tony sold me on his story of unlimited £millions when he took over our beloved Club.

I am surprised at the relinquishing of a high viz city centre focus for The Villa.
Just when we are about to revive in the Champs, given the signings.

It makes no sense.


It (presumably) loses money, it's in an unappealing part of the city centre and there can't be many people who look at empty shops and think "I really must support them".
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Louzie0 on January 24, 2017, 09:52:25 PM
I don't think it's that unappealing.
On New Street, on the main route from the station to the entrance of the Bull Street extravaganza?

Of course, if there's a better location.... :)


Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2017, 09:53:06 PM
I'd much prefer us having a shop in the city centre but it's easy to say it doesn't matter if it's losing X amount every year when it's not our money that's being lost.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Louzie0 on January 24, 2017, 09:58:48 PM
I don't care. Sorry, PeterWithesShin.
We have to have a presence in the City Centre.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
No we don't. We've spent most of our history without one.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Louzie0 on January 24, 2017, 10:08:16 PM
History, shmistory.
People see the Villa and want to join it.
I can't tell you the number of times I've seen Our Shop on New Street and thought, yeah, sunbeam, beat that!
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 24, 2017, 10:30:12 PM
Not quite true during the xmas period from the mid 70's both us and little baggies would set up in the bull ring
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Louzie0 on January 24, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
No, wittonwarrior, I've never walked past a market and thought that.
However, The Villa stall!
Good for you. UTV!







Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Villan For Life on January 24, 2017, 11:07:34 PM
We are the Villa we should have a shop in the Mailbox.......or take over Selfridges.

I never went in to the Villa shop and I often walked past it. I probably spent more in the old shop in the Pavilions than I ever spent in the New Street shop, my spending habits have changed.

We will not lose future generations by not having a store in the city centre. We will gain fans by getting it right on the pitch and enhancing our social media presence which is where kids will be influenced.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: brentastonb6 on January 25, 2017, 01:47:52 AM
I don't think it's that unappealing.
On New Street, on the main route from the station to the entrance of the Bull Street extravaganza?

Of course, if there's a better location ....




Concourse of Birmingham Grand Central maybe ? Don't think it's going to be happening anytime soon unfortunately as if this were a relocation exercise it would have been announced as that surely?
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2017, 06:53:47 AM
I don't think it's that unappealing.
On New Street, on the main route from the station to the entrance of the Bull Street extravaganza?

Of course, if there's a better location.... :)



It's a decent part of town and will look much better when the BHS is relet and refurbished later this year.  I'd say an ideal spot.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 25, 2017, 07:10:15 AM
What will get kids interested is having a half decent team in the pl and tickets for schools (not sure if we do this now with the upper trinity closed)

An empty shop surrounded by a load of tat wont
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: martin o`who?? on January 25, 2017, 07:37:55 AM
Its a shame that in the city the size of ours there is not enough business for a club like the Villa to keep a presence in the centre.
Birmingham city centre rents and Business rates are cripplingly expensive, you would need to shift more shirts than Man u and Barca to financially justify it, i think its both enlightening and depressing that neither of the City's Football clubs have a presence in the Town centre anymore (Do Small Heath still have the shop in Dale end?).
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: martin o`who?? on January 25, 2017, 07:40:47 AM
I don't think it's that unappealing.
On New Street, on the main route from the station to the entrance of the Bull Street extravaganza?

Of course, if there's a better location.... :)



It's a decent part of town and will look much better when the BHS is relet and refurbished later this year.  I'd say an ideal spot.
The "Footfall" as they call it in retail around that area is astronomical - but it didn't stop BHS just across the road from closing down.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Simon Page on January 25, 2017, 07:54:17 AM
Think BHS might have had more to do with the yachting knight and his buyer. That bit of New Street has been remarkably unlucky for stores hitting the skids though, so maybe it's the Birmingham City of, erm, Birmingham city. I reckon we should have opened an Amsterdam style herbal cafe in there. I would have gone to that, but only if they got rid of the day-glo away and keepers' shirts.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Dr Butler on January 25, 2017, 08:59:13 AM
abit different I know as they are a one horse town,  but Southampton have a nice big shop in the WestCliff shopping centre and always seems to be busy enough.

mind you it might make people visit the club shop and see our magnificent ground and Aston Hall in all there glory...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on January 25, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
I'm going to paint the bull claret & blue. I think that should highlight our existence in the city centre.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 25, 2017, 12:55:59 PM
Maybe it would be better to have a Claret & Blue Cafe ©

Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
..........or a Pop-Up Shop/café randomly appearing across the city and outskirts. ( My idea = 20% of the profits, please. I Thank you )
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 25, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
Our merchandise is crap. It was like  £ shop with nothing costing a £.
Even the replica shirts are poor quality and the wrong colour.
Maybe if they started producing decent products they would sell more.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: ktvillan on January 25, 2017, 06:47:04 PM

The day of the shop is slowly coming to an end

For sports shops maybe but while there are still women on the planet there will always be shops.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Simon Page on January 25, 2017, 07:00:29 PM

The day of the shop is slowly coming to an end

For sports shops maybe but while there are still women on the planet there will always be shops.

Bloody hell, if it's the 1950s we might just win the Cup.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: KRS on January 25, 2017, 07:00:33 PM
Our merchandise is crap.
Very true. Hard to buy anything these days other than a coffee mug.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 08:29:09 PM
seems to me that pricing and true value for money - above sentiment or mementos - is the real issue. buy cheap low quality and sell high for maximum profit. that's what capitalism is all about [even if i can't use capitals any more today]
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 25, 2017, 09:10:58 PM
seems to me that pricing and true value for money - above sentiment or mementos - is the real issue. buy cheap low quality and sell high for maximum profit. that's what capitalism is all about [even if i can't use capitals any more today]

It's not big, it's not clever, it's certainly not original and it's definitely not funny. Grow up.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 09:49:36 PM
grown up. 66 already. not going to bite.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 25, 2017, 09:56:51 PM
grown up. 66 already. not going to bite.

Dentures into soak already, eh?
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: olaftab on January 25, 2017, 09:59:30 PM
grown up. 66 already. not going to bite.
OK then GOG.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 25, 2017, 10:07:48 PM
grown up. 66 already. not going to bite.

You've been asked to abide by the site rules. Other posters manage it.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 10:19:40 PM
Since retiring, this is the first....and only .....forum I have participated in and I must admit to not having seen the " Forum Rules " tab until now.
I have often communicated in capitals for emphasis, but I now see that you equate that to shouting. Well, not my intention. Merely to underscore my emphasis on a thought-line. Soz.
Now I know, I will refrain and I appreciate your keeping to the first Rule of " being nice to people "even if they are not well versed in such etiquette. I thank you and will continue to contribute with decorum.
Title: Re: Villa shop in New St now closed
Post by: atomicjam on January 28, 2017, 12:50:32 AM
Slightly connected to this thread, I received this email in the last hour...


The Club are committed to enhancing fans’ retail experience and we are working hard to achieve this. We have some exciting news to announce next week which will be with you first, via email, ahead of any other media outlets.

In conjunction with this, the shop website (shop.avfc.co.uk) will be unavailable from 00:01 on Monday 30th January until the launch of our brand new site on Wednesday 1st February.

The Villa Park store opening times are as follows:

Saturday 28th January 9am – 5pm.
Sunday 29th Closed.
Monday 30th Closed.
Tuesday 31st Closed.
Wednesday 1st February 10am-4pm.

As part of the review process there have been some changes to your Villa Cash account:

• Villa Cash will no longer be able to be redeemed or earned on retail products from 1st February 2017

• Villa Cash will still be available to use on all other products and services including tickets, soccer schools, tours and events as per 2016/17 terms and conditions. This includes Season Ticket renewal - and more details on dates for this will be provided as soon as possible.

We are excited to offer a number of retail offers for Season Ticket holders to take advantage of between 1st Feb – 31st May 2017, starting with an extra 10% off all 16/17 replica kit items (in addition to the current 30% off) in the month of February. Each month thereafter we shall communicate the next exclusive monthly offer.

The Villa Cash scheme will be discontinued in its entirety on 31st July 2017 and all balances will be wiped, with a new and improved loyalty offering being launched for the 17/18 season, which will offer wider opportunities to engage with the Club. We will announce more exciting information in the coming months.

Please click here to see the latest Villa Cash FAQ’s, T's and C's and to check your balance.

Thanks for your continued support.

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