Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
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Seems as good as done so he gets the honour of his own thread.
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Welcome!
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Welcome to the Villa. Long may you do us proud.
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Welcome! Link to where this is a done deal?
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Welcome James and don't forget to bring your mate with you. Do well for us and you're assured to live long in the memory.
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So what do you know about him?
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Obligatory video
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Welcome James to The Villa. Wiki is never wrong😟
James Patrick Bree is an English footballer who plays for aston villa F.C.. Wikipedia
Born: 11 December 1997 (age 19), Wakefield
Height: 1.82 m
Weight: 74 kg
Career start: 2014
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he will have to fight for his place against the mighty Hutton
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Tenacious little bugger.
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Can he take a throw in?
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one great thing about his signing no more the laughing cow at RB
welcome JB
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Born in 97? Jesus, I've got pairs of pants older than him.
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Obligatory video
Blimey, not the smooth attacking full back I was hoping for. He looks a carbon copy of Hutton based on that.
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Usually players look amazing on their youtube montage and turn out to be shit, 2017 is all about looking shit on your youtube montage but being amazing in reality!
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Other than just the one, there's not much evidence that he can cross a ball to a team mate on that video.
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Just seen a stats comparison with Hutton and there's nothing to separate them. It looks like a buy for potential rather than an immediate superstar.
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I hope we don't burden him with too much expectation early on. He's clearly being brought in with one eye on the future.
If he is able to play regularly for us this season, he'll have done well.
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Whilst pleased it's disappointing that our academy isn't turning up similar talent from all that investment.
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I doubt he's been brought in to start straight away. He's only just turned 19 and has 40 career league starts, I think at best he'll be a sub to begin with.
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According to reports he's turned down PL offers in favour of us to get more game time.
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I doubt he's been brought in to start straight away. He's only just turned 19 and has 40 career league starts, I think at best he'll a sub to begin with.
I would agree with that, particularly as De Laet will be back next season as well.
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I just don't think we should expect a 19 year old to fix our RB issues immediately.
On the flip side iirc, although he was a few years older Delaney had a similar amount of pro starts and he turned out alright.
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He controlled the ball better in that few minute montage than Hutton has done in the past 5 years. And nobody ended up in row Z with the ball gone 10 minutes earlier. He's got a lot of potential and hopefully before long he's replacing Scottish Crappu
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I doubt he's been brought in to start straight away. He's only just turned 19 and has 40 career league starts, I think at best he'll a sub to begin with.
I would agree with that, particularly as De Laet will be back next season as well.
Depending on how well he goes, De Laet probably becomes a utility defender, covering both RB and CB.
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He controlled the ball better in that few minute montage than Hutton has done in the past 5 years. And nobody ended up in row Z with the ball gone 10 minutes earlier. He's got a lot of potential and hopefully before long he's replacing Scottish Crappu
I whooped 40 seconds in when the cross didn't hit the first defender and instead arched perfectly onto the centre forward's head.
That's a perfect demarcation from the present incumbant.
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I demand a photo of him stretching the shirt.
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Holgate and Stones are products of Barnsley young boys academy and shown how they are able in top league. I think bree wants to continue development and be best placed to play . We Re a premier league size club, higher end championship team it's right all round. Isn't Hutton out of contract in summer?
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Tenacious little bugger.
You can see why he is injury prone!
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My Leicester friends say that DeLaet is predominantly an attacking player who is not very good defensively. Don't know how true it is or what effects if any his injury will have on him.
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My Leicester friends say that DeLaet is predominantly an attacking player who is not very good defensively. Don't know how true it is or what effects if any his injury will have on him.
I find a lot of full backs are like that or similar these days.Dont you ? That they are more concerned /instructed to be forward players getting up the pitch and rely on pace to get out of defensive mishaps.
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He's at VP now having his photo shoot (source, Villa snapchat and several pictures of him on Twitter). Medical and terms must have been sorted.
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Strange as news from Bree
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Strange as news from Bree
Eh?
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Strange as news from Bree
Eh?
It's a quote from Lord of the Rings, I'm afraid.
Yes officer, I will come quietly
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Strange as news from Bree
Eh?
It's a quote from Lord of the Rings, I'm afraid.
Yes officer, I will come quietly
Get the nerd! Put his head in the toilet and give him a chinese burn*!
*not racist
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Strange as news from Bree
Eh?
It's a quote from Lord of the Rings, I'm afraid.
Yes officer, I will come quietly
I recognised it.
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Strange as news from Bree
Eh?
It's a quote from Lord of the Rings, I'm afraid.
Yes officer, I will come quietly
I recognised it.
Me too, but I was waiting for another confession before I admitted it.
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Don't encourage me. I have kind of got it under control.
One conversation about that book and the next thing you know I will be on a patch of waste ground in a green velvet waistcoat singing the songs of Tom Bombadil
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you're a bit of a prancing pony aren't you?
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Bree or Hutton? No Brainer
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you're a bit of a prancing pony aren't you?
You've been waiting for this sort of pun fest since you signed up for this site!
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It's a quote from Lord of the Rings, I'm afraid.
Yes officer, I will come quietly
I was forced to read The Hobbit at school. Utter drivel that completely put me off the genre
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I can now put Damon alongside Risso in the mental picture I have of them standing outside Games Workshop, sporting three quarter length leather overcoats and pallid complexions.
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you're a bit of a prancing pony aren't you?
At least I don't travel under an alias.
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Don't tell anyone else
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It's a bit sad to see Pat get so wound-up on Twitter about people calling him out on getting the particulars of Bree's signing not entirely correct. He's experienced enough to ignore it.
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It's a bit sad to see Pat get so wound-up on Twitter about people calling him out on getting the particulars of Bree's signing not entirely correct. He's experienced enough to ignore it.
(http://www.motherjones.com/files/trump4.jpg)
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Some commentators are like strikers - get one in five right and the other four are excused. Others are like keepers - get one wrong and the ten you got right are forgotten. John Percy is amongst the former and Pat Murphy the latter.
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Bree is the magic number.
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FWIW I trust Murphy more than any other mainstream journo out there. Having said that, I'll happily allow him this mistake if he turns out to be wrong
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(http://i.imgur.com/VYnkmea.jpg)
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Seems odd that Pat was sold down the road with the Bree transfer story but he's been right on many occasions so for me he has credibility over some of these other blaggers. I hope with all the abuse he doesn't stop tweeting about Villa matters.
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Born in 97? Jesus, I've got pairs of pants older than him.
i have pants I've been wearing since 97........
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I haven't actually worn any since 97
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Pat Murphy got Kodjia wrong too.
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Pat Murphy got Kodjia wrong too.
I reckon that behind the facade of a highly respected BBC journalist, he actually gets all his transfer gossip from TBAR.
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You mean he just makes it up?
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I dislike Pat Murphy and look forward to the day he stops covering our club. That said I have no reason to doubt he reported what he believed to be true. His style is more snide digs at Villa fans and the club, he doesn't go and invent things for views.
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I think Murphy let his dislike of Lerner cloud him and at times was quite bitter towards us in the last few years but I generally think he's ok.
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isn't it about time Pat 'Marmite' Murphy had his own thread?
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I like him. He always used to buy a fanzine off me. I'm easy I am.
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Yes, he can come across a bit pompous but he's the one journalist who asks the questions a fan wants answered and isn't meek and clichéd like a lot of his cohorts, afraid to displease their editor/producer. Most of them shat their pants when Nigel Pearson bullied one of them but Pat was having none of it.
He also knows the value of economy in writing, is succinct and to the point, a bit like Mr Woodhall though thankfully less keen in exhausting "press"-based puns.
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Barnsley have announced he's signed for Villa.
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So have we. 4 1/2 year deal.
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Excellent welcome James.
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Barnsley Football Club can today confirm that defender James Bree has completed a transfer to Aston Villa.
Following lengthy negotiations, Club representatives recently agreed a substantial fee for the 19-year-old defender and subsequently the player has agreed personal terms with the Villans, signing a four-and-a-half-year contract.
A product of Barnsley Football Club’s Academy system, Bree has enjoyed a remarkable rise through the Oakwell ranks. His talent and potential was clear from a very early stage in his career and he became the second youngest player to ever represent the Club, making his Barnsley debut at the age of just 16 against QPR in 2014. Since then Bree has gone on to make 61 First Team appearances for the Club, further enhancing his reputation as one of the country’s most promising young players.
Bree joins a growing list of exceptional, highly rated Academy graduates who have progressed and excelled in the Barnsley Football Club First Team. Over recent years the Wakefield born defender has become one of the most sought after players in the country and now moves to one of the biggest clubs in English football.
Everyone at Barnsley Football Club would like to say a sincere thank you to James for all of his hard work and efforts over the years. He has been a model professional throughout his time at Oakwell and we wish him all the very best in his future career.
Upon his move to Villa Park, James was keen to thank Barnsley Football Club for the Club's role in his development and commented, "I’ve been at Barnsley since I was young and it’s helped me develop. I will always be grateful."
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Perhaps we should also go back to Barnsley and sign whoever it is who coaches the Academy defenders, Holgate and Stones aren't too shabby.
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Or whoever spotted them.
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Seems odd that Pat was sold down the road with the Bree transfer story but he's been right on many occasions so for me he has credibility over some of these other blaggers. I hope with all the abuse he doesn't stop tweeting about Villa matters.
I like PM as well, he's not 100% but who is? He doesn't bull shit but tells it how it is in his opinion, which I am ok with.
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... in fact the whole bloody Barnsley Academy setup!
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HALLELUJAH
Surely this is the end of the road for Hutton
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HALLELUJAH
Surely this is the end of the road for Hutton
He tried to cross it and failed.
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HALLELUJAH
Surely this is the end of the road for Hutton
He tried to cross it and failed.
BOOM!
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HALLELUJAH
Surely this is the end of the road for Hutton
He tried to cross it and failed.
Hard as nails though.
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Afternoon.
good job this Thread is just for him..........he can use it to darn the knees of his jeans ! Or at least he can now afford to buy a new pair.
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Welcome to Aston Villa James.
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Welcome, I hope that you are as good as John Gidman was in his pomp!
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OMG that would be great. Even if he was a new Kenny Swain, 'twould be more than OK
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Bree looks a little bit like that Alex Whatshisname from The Last Leg.
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I think he looks like that Barlow bloke from them " Whats That " group. You know the one who was mates with the other singer, Lee Hendrie.
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Welcome James. I know it's a Youtube video but from what I've seen his right foot is like a magic wand - but his left is only there to stand on.
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Why, oh Why.......don't parents/school coaches/ junior coaches/ senior coaches, NOT train kids to kick with BOTH feet, for goodness sake ? Even for an accurate pass. It annoys me immensely to see this over-paid so-called-stars who cannot use both feet.
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HALLELUJAH
Surely this is the end of the road for Hutton
He tried to cross it and failed.
Hard as nails though.
Tries hard.
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Why, oh Why.......don't parents/school coaches/ junior coaches/ senior coaches, NOT train kids to kick with BOTH feet, for goodness sake ? Even for an accurate pass. It annoys me immensely to see this over-paid so-called-stars who cannot use both feet.
Is that a double negative?
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You are - absolutely - grammatically CORRECT.
Soz. Had to re-write the content prior to posting. I'll try not to let it happen again.
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You are - absolutely - grammatically CORRECT.
Soz. Had to re-write the content prior to posting. I'll try not to let it happen again.
AS YOU WERE.
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Thank you.
But do you not agree with either version ?
It is a BIG skill factor that gets overlooked because it lines up with trying to teach left-handers to write with their right hand.
My goat is well and truly gotten.
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so's mine - any chance you can live your life without CAPITALIZATION?
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Welcome to Aston Villa James. Play well, give your all and we will love you forever.
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Technical skills are massively undertrained in English football in general, look how many players are in the premier league who can't trap a ball properly, that's just not good enough but we still prioritise pace and strength over everything else at youth levels so players with those get away with far too much, it's why someone like Gabby was able to come through and get so many appearances at the highest level despite huge technical flaws to his game which should've been corrected as a schoolboy.
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Technical skills are massively undertrained in English football in general, look how many players are in the premier league who can't trap a ball properly, that's just not good enough but we still prioritise pace and strength over everything else at youth levels so players with those get away with far too much, it's why someone like Gabby was able to come through and get so many appearances at the highest level despite huge technical flaws to his game which should've been corrected as a schoolboy.
No, they can trap a ball properly. All professionals can. It may appear at times that they can't but miscontrol will be down to pressure and confidence not technical ability.
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Technical skills are massively undertrained in English football in general, look how many players are in the premier league who can't trap a ball properly, that's just not good enough but we still prioritise pace and strength over everything else at youth levels so players with those get away with far too much, it's why someone like Gabby was able to come through and get so many appearances at the highest level despite huge technical flaws to his game which should've been corrected as a schoolboy.
No, they can trap a ball properly. All professionals can. It may appear at times that they can't but miscontrol will be down to pressure and confidence not technical ability.
That's the same thing though. If you can't do basic skills on the pitch during a match then you haven't trained them well enough. It's basic muscle memory, these things shouldn't require any thought because then nerves, etc can get in the way.
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Its pressure rather than nerves. Muscle memory and adrenaline can make up for nerves but not pressure and losing confidence. That has nothing to do with training.
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Its pressure rather than nerves. Muscle memory and adrenaline can make up for nerves but not pressure and losing confidence. That has nothing to do with training.
We'll have to agree to disagree I think because I'm absolutely certain that training basic skills helps you perform them in pressure situations and there's plenty of evidence to back it up.
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so's mine - any chance you can live your life without CAPITALIZATION?
really sorry mr underhill- or were you having a dig at aev too ? - i will try especially for you to spend the rest of today without capitals. though i have to rage against the machine to do so. and as i can't find an alternative method of emphasis on this cursed communicative platform, i may slip back into this goat-getting format tomorrow. soz sir.
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As you were bob just joking
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This signing is all a bit cheesy for my liking.
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Can we stop the cheese puns
I just camembert it
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Has anyone done the explosion at the cheese factory joke yet?
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Capitalization overkill and wittering on about Rangers in every second post. If BOB confesses to being a U2 fan he might just be the most popular poster we've ever had.
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Its pressure rather than nerves. Muscle memory and adrenaline can make up for nerves but not pressure and losing confidence. That has nothing to do with training.
We'll have to agree to disagree I think because I'm absolutely certain that training basic skills helps you perform them in pressure situations and there's plenty of evidence to back it up.
Fully agree with you Paul. I don't think David Silva or Andres Iniesta, with their flawless technique under pressure, have some unique gift of mental fortitude that allows them to operate under pressure at a level better than the top 0.1% of elite players. Obviously they operate well under pressure and that is of course a factor - I just think more importantly they've been controlling the ball in such tight spaces since they were 4 or 5 years old and practicing those skills every day since then through coaching so it's almost a subconscious action. In a way that kids don't (or didn't, hopefully things are changing) in English academies.
I think confidence affects other things more noticeably - for example Silva's willingness to play a defence-splitting through ball rather than play sideways - but not his core ability as a player.
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Ok then, DeBree everywhere!
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Ok then, DeBree everywhere!
Can you tell me the cheese joke
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Ok then, DeBree everywhere!
Can you tell me the cheese joke
Apologies de-Brie
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Technical skills are massively undertrained in English football in general, look how many players are in the premier league who can't trap a ball properly, that's just not good enough but we still prioritise pace and strength over everything else at youth levels so players with those get away with far too much, it's why someone like Gabby was able to come through and get so many appearances at the highest level despite huge technical flaws to his game which should've been corrected as a schoolboy.
Spoke to someone on the way back from Hamburg many moons ago who was at one of Gabby's local clubs (might have been Great Barr Falcons). He said Gabby got into the game late (14ish) and Villa took him on despite him barely even being able to trap a ball at that point. Clubs will overlook a lot if there is raw pace.
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Capitalization overkill and wittering on about Rangers in every second post. If BOB confesses to being a U2 fan he might just be the most popular poster we've ever had.
....not going to bite............
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Bree has a badly swollen knee! The curse of the RB strikes again. Which means Hutton is still first choice! Prefer to see Bacuna instead for now...
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This lad had a terrible game today. Not sure if he will make it.
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Make it at what? He's already made it as a championship footballer.
Not every young English player is going to play for the national team or be the best player in his position of his generation despite the hype.
In any case Bree has hardly played for us.
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He looks a poor player, no pace and no bottle
He'll fit right in
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A 19 year old, with less than 10 appearances, who had been courted by lots of top side sides, is now never going to make it.
Bloody hell, I know today was shit but really?
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Bloody hell leaping to judgement a bit quick perhaps.
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He was poor today, but being on the same side of the pitch as Elmohamedy for 60 minutes and the same half of the defence as Chester are mitigating factors.
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completely out of his depth today, really poor.
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19 years old in a side that has no coherent plan. Shocking that he might struggle...
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19 years old in a side that has no coherent plan. Shocking that he might struggle...
Your right of course however the fact remains he got bullied out there yesterday and that itself is a worry.
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De Laet should be our number 1 right back with bree challenging.
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19 years old in a side that has no coherent plan. Shocking that he might struggle...
Your right of course however the fact remains he got bullied out there yesterday and that itself is a worry.
I think it says more about the lack of support around him. 19 year old players tend to have games like that. I think he has bundles of talent and could be an absolute star. It may not be with us if Bruce continues as is though.
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Resurrecting an old thread, on the back of another thread. Where the hell is he? Looked a really promising player to me and if we're looking at building a side for the long-term he should be involved.
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I had completely forgotten about him.
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As has Bruce it seems
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Resurrecting an old thread, on the back of another thread. Where the hell is he? Looked a really promising player to me and if we're looking at building a side for the long-term he should be involved.
I haven't been that impressed when Bree has played. He's probably still a decent prospect for the future but he's not worth a place ahead of Elmo, McCafu or RDL
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Resurrecting an old thread, on the back of another thread. Where the hell is he? Looked a really promising player to me and if we're looking at building a side for the long-term he should be involved.
Was starting to look really promising and then started against Brentford and had a nightmare. Not been seen since.
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Did we really need to buy him with money becoming tight?
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We've got more right backs than strikers.
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I'm surprised he's not featured as much as he has. He was probably one in mind for the future (like Bedeau) and I don't think he cost us a great deal anyway so I doubt he's one of the reason's why we can't spend as much as we can.
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He's subbing today
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Bree to start at LB at Bolton tomorrow....
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I have always been impressed with Bree whenever he' had the chance to play
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Is Taylor injured then?
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Yeah he limped off on Tuesday.
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Ah thought it was just tactical.
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Nein, he went straight down the tunnel.
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Inverted left backs is our new speciality ;-)
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Good luck to the lad. If we stay down and have to lighten the books again the likes of Bree are going to be our starters next season.
Show us what you can do
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I have always been impressed with Bree whenever he' had the chance to play
He was doing well until he got his chance to start in a home game (against Brentford I think). He had a nightmare and has hardly been seen since.
He's only young though so hopefully he can put that behind him.
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Taylor is pretty useless and Bree has waited ages for his chance.
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I really hope he takes this chance.
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A freshening up of the team near the end of the season could be just what's needed. I know he's young but he's got 50 odd games with Barnsley under his belt. Can't be much worse than Taylor so an improvement in that part of the pitch is would be welcomed.
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I've got hopes for this guy
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Who else still thinks we got the best of the Ayew/ Taylor deal?
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To be fair, Ayew, talented though he is, has not offered much return on investment for Swansea either.
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Been hailed as a big reason for their turnaround in the second half of the season. So @ £5 million plus Taylor (so prob about £5.2 million in real terms) I'd say they've had a return on their investment and then some. What does £5 million buy you today?
6 goals and a few assists in the top division already this year, close to what he had managed with us in his last stint in the top flight over an entire season.
We signed him for £10 million, and he was probably one of a few players who didn't sully his reputation in that travesty of a season. So moving him on at a loss didn't look like our greatest bit of business then or now.
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Probably in the minority but I don't mind Taylor.
Ideally I'd like to see Bree in at RB which is his position after all but AEM has been better than I expected.
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Who else still thinks we got the best of the Ayew/ Taylor deal?
absolute shitarse deal imo
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Who else still thinks we got the best of the Ayew/ Taylor deal?
absolute shitarse deal imo
Ghastly. Quite, quite ghastly.
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Karl Henry's got to be a cert to be red carded if we keep running at him?
Awful player.
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Karl Henry's got to be a cert to be red carded if we keep running at him?
Awful player.
Odds on. But no. Can't be bothered with an analysis of the weaknesses of the opposition. Too much like a plan.
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Been hailed as a big reason for their turnaround in the second half of the season. So @ £5 million plus Taylor (so prob about £5.2 million in real terms) I'd say they've had a return on their investment and then some. What does £5 million buy you today?
6 goals and a few assists in the top division already this year, close to what he had managed with us in his last stint in the top flight over an entire season.
We signed him for £10 million, and he was probably one of a few players who didn't sully his reputation in that travesty of a season. So moving him on at a loss didn't look like our greatest bit of business then or now.
If Swansea get relegated, will he have made enough of a difference?
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Who else still thinks we got the best of the Ayew/ Taylor deal?
absolute shitarse deal imo
Ghastly. Quite, quite ghastly.
I don’t think we had much choice re Ayew’s desire to leave. I guess the question is whether we should have taken Taylor as part of the deal. At the time we needed a LB ...
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I liked his work rate, he put a shift in and clearly had talent. He didn't score enough goals for a forward though. I don't think we've missed him that much.
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He's been in England for nearly 3 years and has scored 16 league goals. One of those players that flatters to deceive imo.
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There wasn't a lot of complaint when Taylor arrived and looked better than Amavi, but then again, Steve Bruce was manager and we have lost a couple of games.
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How did Bree play on Saturday, no cheese puns please?
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I've seen Feta.
*I'm sorry*
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I thought h he did quite well tbh
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So did I.
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I've seen Feta.
*I'm sorry*
That's going to grate on him
*I'm not too sorry*
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I've seen Feta.
*I'm sorry*
That's going to grate on him
*I'm not too sorry*
What sort of fondue have when you're not punning?
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I've seen Feta.
*I'm sorry*
That's going to grate on him
*I'm not too sorry*
What sort of fondue have when you're not punning?
I like hiking around the Cheddar Gorge
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There wasn't a lot of complaint when Taylor arrived and looked better than Amavi, but then again, Steve Bruce was manager and we have lost a couple of games.
Personally, I don't think that Taylor has ever looked better than Amavi. Amavi had some very good games, and some where he looked disinterested. Taylor, at the very best, has looked ordinary, and most of the time, just quite poor. I don't think he's good enough for the top half of the Championship, and he certainly isn't good enough for the Premier League.
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There wasn't a lot of complaint when Taylor arrived and looked better than Amavi, but then again, Steve Bruce was manager and we have lost a couple of games.
Personally, I don't think that Taylor has ever looked better than Amavi. Amavi had some very good games, and some where he looked disinterested. Taylor, at the very best, has looked ordinary, and most of the time, just quite poor. I don't think he's good enough for the top half of the Championship, and he certainly isn't good enough for the Premier League.
I agree, he's another one that I wasn't particularly impressed by when we were linked.
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I think he's been ok, nothing more than that. Better at defending than going forward.
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There wasn't a lot of complaint when Taylor arrived and looked better than Amavi, but then again, Steve Bruce was manager and we have lost a couple of games.
Personally, I don't think that Taylor has ever looked better than Amavi. Amavi had some very good games, and some where he looked disinterested. Taylor, at the very best, has looked ordinary, and most of the time, just quite poor. I don't think he's good enough for the top half of the Championship, and he certainly isn't good enough for the Premier League.
Amavi was woeful at both levels, let's be honest. Had superstars like Cissokho and Richardson ahead of him at times. Watched a bit of him in a Europa League game recently, on that evidence he looked as poor as ever. Not disagreeing with you on Taylor btw..
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Amavi only had those 'ahead' of him as he was out injured.
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Really feel this kid deserves first team go next season
Dynamic and developing.
Having watched show reel he would have been great foil for Snodgrass down the right.
Instead we suffered Bruce Egyptian son Elmo. Not even a proper right back.
Proper pace and energy none of this slowing down business. And he gets over half way line.
Bruce doesn't trust him defensively but needs more chances and a forward thinking manager would have him in
Bree shows what he can do here
https://youtu.be/TzB1h67i9B4
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Really feel this kid deserves first team go next season
Dynamic and developing.
Having watched show reel he would have been great foil for Snodgrass down the right.
Instead we suffered Bruce Egyptian son Elmo. Not even a proper right back.
Proper pace and energy none of this slowing down business. And he gets over half way line.
Bruce doesn't trust him defensively but needs more chances and a forward thinking manager would have him in
Bree shows what he can do here
https://youtu.be/TzB1h67i9B4
Unfortunately Bree's performances in our shirt were anything but dynamic or developing.
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I blame Bruce for that!!
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Think that’s harsh, once he settled after a shaky start against Boro he was good. I think with game time he can be a fine player. Just the sort of player we need to start using.
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Really feel this kid deserves first team go next season
Dynamic and developing.
Having watched show reel he would have been great foil for Snodgrass down the right.
Instead we suffered Bruce Egyptian son Elmo. Not even a proper right back.
Proper pace and energy none of this slowing down business. And he gets over half way line.
Bruce doesn't trust him defensively but needs more chances and a forward thinking manager would have him in
Bree shows what he can do here
https://youtu.be/TzB1h67i9B4
Unfortunately Bree's performances in our shirt were anything but dynamic or developing.
he's 20 years old, i have hopes for this kid
when we have also seen Taylor, Elmo, Samba and Elphick etc playing in defence with all their so called experience and still having nightmares out there and are not going to improve because they are what they are
Bree is exactly the sort of young player we have to pin our hopes on in the future being better than that list of below average above
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Really feel this kid deserves first team go next season
Dynamic and developing.
Having watched show reel he would have been great foil for Snodgrass down the right.
Instead we suffered Bruce Egyptian son Elmo. Not even a proper right back.
Proper pace and energy none of this slowing down business. And he gets over half way line.
Bruce doesn't trust him defensively but needs more chances and a forward thinking manager would have him in
Bree shows what he can do here
https://youtu.be/TzB1h67i9B4
Unfortunately Bree's performances in our shirt were anything but dynamic or developing.
he's 20 years old, i have hopes for this kid
when we have also seen Taylor, Elmo, Samba and Elphick etc playing in defence with all their so called experience and still having nightmares out there and are not going to improve because they are what they are
Bree is exactly the sort of young player we have to pin our hopes on in the future being better than that list of below average above
Agreed
Should have seen more football last season
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Exactly!! I don't think he's a bruce signing like JT snoddy and Elmo were it's not Bruces forte.
I hope he's given the chance.
Is it just me or does anyone rather not have Elmo in the club let alone team. I don't think he's needed personally and would have preferred da laet.
Elmo is such a Bruce character and despite some qualities Bree was the one to play at right back.
Unfairly treated if I may say and like to see Bree as main right back as has a great attacking sense to his play. Yes defence needs to work on but he adds dimension to team.
Bruce thinks a right back is simply a defender we wanna see over lapping play and by line not half way light.
The times Elmo did this was great but too few. Probably instructed to stay back and leave to snoddy
If Bree played there he would have caused more problems for opponents when snoddy cut on as JB had pace and energy to get forward.
I dispair at Bruce not allowing for flair I really do.
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Bruce's Egyptian son!! What a corker.
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Bruce's Egyptian son!! What a corker.
I couldn't say God son due to religious variables.
Elmo is a phaorah player.
Still waiting for Bruce to bring his other son. Alex. That would really outrage us all
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Thought he did fine against Cardiff aswell. He deserves a decent run next season.
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Bree needs to start next season. That said how anyone can slag Elmo off i don't know. This is a bloke playing full back who created 5 assists last season and rarely put in a less than 6/7 performance
Compare this to the hero worship Hutton received for running around a bit who probably hasn't created that many in the combined seven years he's been our player
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If we are to move forward, Bree should start next season at right back over Elmo. Hutton was better at left back than right anyway!
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I like him. Good delivery, quick, big lad and hopefully with more game time and experience he will get better and better.
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Has AEM ever played at left back before? That might be worth doing considering Hutton had never done it and was probably better there for us than at right back.
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I like him. Good delivery, quick, big lad and hopefully with more game time and experience he will get better and better.
He had a real stinker when he started against Brentford (I think) and that set him back. He had looked good coming on in games before that, but wasn’t seen for ages after it.
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Did well in the Cardiff Home game I saw, nice and solid, developing in time.
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Exactly the kind of player we need to be looking to now - the future.
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Did well in the Boro second leg, and I'd have played him in the final, too.
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Bree is the poster boy of making use of what we have. He is a player, who if he plays week in week out, I’m convinced is going to be a fine player.
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He was brought in last xmas he should of been blooded in when it was clear any promotion that season was over , instead he never played and has continued to be on the edges of the squad
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yep, we've had 2 seasons of ignoring young players for the promotion certainty. Now they're probably gonna have to sink or swim instead of being eased in over time.
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I like him. Good delivery, quick, big lad and hopefully with more game time and experience he will get better and better.
He had a real stinker when he started against Brentford (I think) and that set him back. He had looked good coming on in games before that, but wasn’t seen for ages after it.
I think when Bruce spoke about players that were struggling to deal with what it takes to play for a club as big as Aston Villa, Bree was probably one on them. Interesting to Frank Lampard's comments today about the different managers he worked with. Mourinho wasn't about tactics or improving his game, it was about confidence. Bree is still very young but if we can rebuild his confidence, which is always tricky for a full back at Villa Park, we may just have a more then decent player on our hands.
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I like him. Good delivery, quick, big lad and hopefully with more game time and experience he will get better and better.
He had a real stinker when he started against Brentford (I think) and that set him back. He had looked good coming on in games before that, but wasn’t seen for ages after it.
I think when Bruce spoke about players that were struggling to deal with what it takes to play for a club as big as Aston Villa, Bree was probably one on them. Interesting to Frank Lampard's comments today about the different managers he worked with. Mourinho wasn't about tactics or improving his game, it was about confidence. Bree is still very young but if we can rebuild his confidence, which is always tricky for a full back at Villa Park, we may just have a more then decent player on our hands.
Agree and I think the Brentford game was a case of having an off day at the wrong time. As I said, I thought he had looked good coming on in games leading up to that one, with Bristol City being a particularly impressive performance. It seemed he was al, geared to take the spot and make it his own, but the Brentford game was a set back for him.
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It would be interesting to see him as a wing back with a back three.
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Will he ever get much opportunity to play .
A few pittful minutes for him
Even try him out at centre back just get him on pitch
I mean the imbalance of having right back galore makes difficult.
I wonder if it was a case of being recommended other than Bruce fancying him as his stats were good for barnsley and on paper he was a good signing.
Similar with Lansbury , Hogan , McCormack (and hourihane, Kodija) RDL and Bjarnasson too probably touted and maybe that's why he has issue with playing them.
Whelan , Jedinak and Elmo his sort of boys
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Bree desperately needs to go on loan now. He's not developing with us, for whatever reason, and is in serious danger of going backwards if he doesn't play regular football this season. He's quite clearly behind Hutton, Elmohamady, Taylor, Tuanzebe and De Laet in the full-back pecking-order and, even if De Laet leaves on loan it's only going to be injury/injuries to the others that will open the door for him.
I think Hutton's renaissance has really hindered Bree and Bruce needs act sooner rather than later with this one, or risk having another expensive Villa flop on his hands.
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Bree desperately needs to go on loan now. He's not developing with us, for whatever reason, and is in serious danger of going backwards if he doesn't play regular football this season. He's quite clearly behind Hutton, Elmohamady, Taylor, Tuanzebe and De Laet in the full-back pecking-order and, even if De Laet leaves on loan it's only going to be injury/injuries to the others that will open the door for him.
I think Hutton's renaissance has really hindered Bree and Bruce needs act sooner rather than later with this one, or risk having another expensive Villa flop on his hands.
The reason is the consistency of Hutton . The love of Elmo and then RDL ! And even Axel Tuanzebe
Bruce hasn't given him a fair go can only imagine he feels hes too young . Yet he has Tuanzebe and will be interested how he handles his game time
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He simply has to be loaned out
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Indeed. He's no older than any of the kids that came through the youth system here, so shouldn't be treated any differently just because he was actually purchased.
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Indeed. He's no older than any of the kids that came through the youth system here, so shouldn't be treated any differently just because he was actually purchased.
Although he was a regular first-team starter in a Championship team when we bought him, so was further ahead in his development that the kids he's now being grouped with - regardless of whether he's at a 'bigger' club or not.
I find it hard to believe that he was told that he'd be a bit-part player (at best) for the next 3 seasons when he signed, so this reeks of us signing a young player and then having no plan of how to develop him.
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I'm a big fan of Bree ,no cheese puns please,but the above comments show also Bruce's limitations.'He's not developing with us'.Bruce is not good at improving players or recreating the form they've shown at previous clubs.
His unwillingness to give younger players an extended period in the first team also hinders their development.
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If Bruce isn’t going to play him on a regular basis he needs to be loaned out.
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Bruce doesn't know what he's going to do with any player.
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Bruce doesn't know what he's going to do with any player.
He knows what he likes, and he like what he knows.
As fellow dimwit Donald Rumsfeld once infamously drawled from his slavering, psychotic lips: "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.".
On the plus side, Brucey is a thoroughly decent chap and not a sociopathic war criminal and football is only a game, after all.
I agree with the three or four preceding posts, by the way.
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Brucey may have asked for Bree with his bacon sandwich and they thought it was Barnsley
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Burton
Tbf to Bruce having now heard the Twitter avfc interview he had singled out James Bree as excellent and that he had a look at him at Centre back.
Bruce said Bree was best player.
(The only other he said was okay was axel and had a look at him in midfield)
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Burton
Tbf to Bruce having now heard the Twitter avfc interview he had singled out James Bree as excellent and that he had a look at him at Centre back.
Bruce said Bree was best player.
(The only other he said was okay was axel and had a look at him in midfield)
Can anyone who went confirm this? It would be nice if he’s stumbled on a new young CH
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To be fair, I thought Bree was very good at CB at another cup shambles against Peterborough last season.
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To be fair, I thought Bree was very good at CB at another cup shambles against Peterborough last season.
My MOM last night....doesn't say a great deal i know but i was generally impressed with his all round performance.
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So if we are to take any positives from last night it's that we may have found a potential position in which we can nurture Bree to reach his potential. Small comfort granted
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And yet ,according to reports ,he is looking to bring in a France U20 CB.Might be an improvement but with Axel a loan signing,it could be Bree disappearing to the back of another queue.Unless he finds Axel another position,big striker perhaps.
Bruce's development of players in general,younger ones in particular,borders on criminal insanity.
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yes, the bloke's a nutter
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Really like to see Bree kick on or actually just be given a chance and run at right back .
Feel 5 mins here and there and odd cup games isn't particular helpful in his game development.
I feel he has an energy and attacking threat and would get to the by line making over lapping runs.
As much as I applaud elmohamedys application and relative consistent that Bruce trusts his Egyptian son I like Bree to be given far more opportunities.
I think in the system if he is to play 4-4-2 or simply as actually a full back Bree is the main cheese and should be used
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I'm beyond giving a Edam tbf.
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It was nice to see him being given some minutes on Tuesday, but you have to question why it's taken so long.How many times has Bruce pointlessly had 2/3 defensive midfielders sitting on the bench ahead of Bree (and other promising youngsters)?
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It was nice to see him being given some minutes on Tuesday, but you have to question why it's taken so long.How many times has Bruce pointlessly had 2/3 defensive midfielders sitting on the bench ahead of Bree (and other promising youngsters)?
Agree, looked good the other night when he eventually got on, obviously Bruce doesn't rate him
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It was nice to see him being given some minutes on Tuesday, but you have to question why it's taken so long.How many times has Bruce pointlessly had 2/3 defensive midfielders sitting on the bench ahead of Bree (and other promising youngsters)?
Agree, looked good the other night when he eventually got on, obviously Bruce doesn't rate him
Why sign him then? It just makes no sense. Is this football management - throw enough shit at the wall and some of it might stick?
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An interesting aside to the Bree story is that when he arrived at Villa his mate from Barnsley, George Proctor, was on his way here to Atlanta to play for Georgia State University. He's doing very well from what I can ascertain:
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=12700&ATCLID=211772512
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=211660353&DB_OEM_ID=12700
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We clearly signed him with one eye on the future.
At the moment Elmo clearly deserves the RB shirt ahead of him. Simple as that for me.
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We clearly signed him with one eye on the future.
At the moment Elmo clearly deserves the RB shirt ahead of him. Simple as that for me.
But what about when we played Tuanzebe there ahead of him?
Why sign him then? It just makes no sense. Is this football management - throw enough shit at the wall and some of it might stick?
This is exactly what he means when he talks about things needing to gel. It's how he's worked at every club he's ever managed, he signs ~10 players a season and ends up relying on 4-5 of them and the rest disappear over 12-18 months and he rarely gets any money back for them.
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We clearly signed him with one eye on the future.
At the moment Elmo clearly deserves the RB shirt ahead of him. Simple as that for me.
But what about when we played Tuanzebe there ahead of him?
Why sign him then? It just makes no sense. Is this football management - throw enough shit at the wall and some of it might stick?
This is exactly what he means when he talks about things needing to gel. It's how he's worked at every club he's ever managed, he signs ~10 players a season and ends up relying on 4-5 of them and the rest disappear over 12-18 months and he rarely gets any money back for them.
I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
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I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
You say that but personally i've seen nothing from Bree yet (who i rate) to suggest he can add assists or even goals from right back.
Something, the ever unfashionable Elmo does.
It's just a pity Bree isn't a left back. If Bruce could convert him to be one that'd be ideal for all.
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I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
You say that but personally i've seen nothing from Bree yet (who i rate) to suggest he can add assists or even goals from right back.
Something, the ever unfashionable Elmo does.
It's just a pity Bree isn't a left back. If Bruce could convert him to be one that'd be ideal for all.
Or alternatively, have bought a decent left-back instead...?
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I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
You say that but personally i've seen nothing from Bree yet (who i rate) to suggest he can add assists or even goals from right back.
Something, the ever unfashionable Elmo does.
It's just a pity Bree isn't a left back. If Bruce could convert him to be one that'd be ideal for all.
Or alternatively, have bought a decent left-back instead...?
You may recall we'd agreed a deal to sign one in the summer
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I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
You say that but personally i've seen nothing from Bree yet (who i rate) to suggest he can add assists or even goals from right back.
Something, the ever unfashionable Elmo does.
It's just a pity Bree isn't a left back. If Bruce could convert him to be one that'd be ideal for all.
Or alternatively, have bought a decent left-back instead...?
You may recall we'd agreed a deal to sign one in the summer
We had a deal to sign a left-back set-up at the very end of this summer's window. Bree was signed in January 2017. Without totaling exactly how much Bruce has spend between then and now, it's not really stretching it to say that Bruce could and should have addressed the left-back situation rather than stock-piling right-backs is it?
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Elmo needs to be in the team, he's a good player. He shouldn't be playing as high up as he has at times recently but a normal right side midfield or right back slot is fine. Bree looks like he will be good enough long term, especially at championship level but I'd pick Elmo first.
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Elmo needs to be in the team, he's a good player. He shouldn't be playing as high up as he has at times recently but a normal right side midfield or right back slot is fine. Bree looks like he will be good enough long term, especially at championship level but I'd pick Elmo first.
I agree, Elmo merits a place in the starting XI for me, but Bree needs to be a regular in the 18 form now on, with cameo's wherever possible. Otherwise he's just going to become the latest in a longline of expensive vVlla write-offs.
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I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
You say that but personally i've seen nothing from Bree yet (who i rate) to suggest he can add assists or even goals from right back.
Something, the ever unfashionable Elmo does.
It's just a pity Bree isn't a left back. If Bruce could convert him to be one that'd be ideal for all.
Or alternatively, have bought a decent left-back instead...?
You may recall we'd agreed a deal to sign one in the summer
We had a deal to sign a left-back set-up at the very end of this summer's window. Bree was signed in January 2017. Without totaling exactly how much Bruce has spend between then and now, it's not really stretching it to say that Bruce could and should have addressed the left-back situation rather than stock-piling right-backs is it?
and holding midfielders
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I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
You say that but personally i've seen nothing from Bree yet (who i rate) to suggest he can add assists or even goals from right back.
Something, the ever unfashionable Elmo does.
It's just a pity Bree isn't a left back. If Bruce could convert him to be one that'd be ideal for all.
Or alternatively, have bought a decent left-back instead...?
You may recall we'd agreed a deal to sign one in the summer
We had a deal to sign a left-back set-up at the very end of this summer's window. Bree was signed in January 2017. Without totaling exactly how much Bruce has spend between then and now, it's not really stretching it to say that Bruce could and should have addressed the left-back situation rather than stock-piling right-backs is it?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with Taylor as a left back when we signed him/ In fact if we went back to a Neil Taylor thread (is there one?) i think that would be proven. He just became one of those players people suddenly started to dislike for some reason.
Elmo is going the same way despite being very good at his job.
And yet we have a player like Hutton, who's generally woeful that gets treated like a God.
Weird game football.
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All but about half a dozen posts are about how shit Taylor played. Plus a weird Will Hughes tangent.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=57034.90
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I think Bree is as capable if not more suited that elmo but he won't shift his beloved
You say that but personally i've seen nothing from Bree yet (who i rate) to suggest he can add assists or even goals from right back.
Something, the ever unfashionable Elmo does.
It's just a pity Bree isn't a left back. If Bruce could convert him to be one that'd be ideal for all.
Or alternatively, have bought a decent left-back instead...?
You may recall we'd agreed a deal to sign one in the summer
We had a deal to sign a left-back set-up at the very end of this summer's window. Bree was signed in January 2017. Without totaling exactly how much Bruce has spend between then and now, it's not really stretching it to say that Bruce could and should have addressed the left-back situation rather than stock-piling right-backs is it?
There was absolutely nothing wrong with Taylor as a left back when we signed him/ In fact if we went back to a Neil Taylor thread (is there one?) i think that would be proven. He just became one of those players people suddenly started to dislike for some reason.
Elmo is going the same way despite being very good at his job.
And yet we have a player like Hutton, who's generally woeful that gets treated like a God.
Weird game football.
Taylor has been very poor for us in the main.
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Taylor has been mostly extremely rubbish, with a handful of barely competent games thrown in. It's not a weird reason, he's just been shit. Not everybody rates Elmo, but I would guess that the majority of posters think he's been good at right back, which is his best position. I know I do. Hutton isn't the greatest player in the world but he's had some good games worthy of comment, and importantly he's a lot better than Taylor.
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Taylor has not been the sane since he broke Coleman's leg.
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Taylor has been mostly extremely rubbish, with a handful of barely competent games thrown in. It's not a weird reason, he's just been shit. Not everybody rates Elmo, but I would guess that the majority of posters think he's been good at right back, which is his best position. I know I do. Hutton isn't the greatest player in the world but he's had some good games worthy of comment, and importantly he's a lot better than Taylor.
Can't argue, meself. Hutton's been more than okay at this level when playing behind someone that plays on the same foot. Elmo is our best right back, he's not a winger. Taylor's been massively disappointing for a well-capped international.
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Taylor has not been the sane since he broke Coleman's leg.
Agree with this, he was doing well for us prior to that, he was either taken out of the limelight or just shaken but either was his confidence and ability appear to be shot .
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Taylor has not been the sane since he broke Coleman's leg.
Agree with this, he was doing well for us prior to that, he was either taken out of the limelight or just shaken but either was his confidence and ability appear to be shot .
Personally I don't think he was doing all that well anyway, he was more solid in defence than Amavi but he was offering nothing going forward and, by playing 2 left backs, he had a lot of support in front of him. After Coleman he looked scared to tackle and it exposed the fact that it was all he was really offering.
If it were me I'd have let Hutton leave in the summer, promoted Mitch Clark up into the squad and worked on developing him into the player he could be. It still gives a problem that he's naturally right footed but, from what I've seen, his left isn't just for standing on.
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Taylor has not been the sane since he broke Coleman's leg.
Agree with this, he was doing well for us prior to that, he was either taken out of the limelight or just shaken but either was his confidence and ability appear to be shot .
Personally I don't think he was doing all that well anyway, he was more solid in defence than Amavi but he was offering nothing going forward and, by playing 2 left backs, he had a lot of support in front of him. After Coleman he looked scared to tackle and it exposed the fact that it was all he was really offering.
If it were me I'd have let Hutton leave in the summer, promoted Mitch Clark up into the squad and worked on developing him into the player he could be. It still gives a problem that he's naturally right footed but, from what I've seen, his left isn't just for standing on.
It would be nice to see Mitch Clark have a go, but no way would I have wanted to let Hutton go and leave him as our only viable option at left back (I don't see Taylor as an option, he is truly awful). But yes, I'd have like to seen Hutton & Clark fight it out for the role.
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Taylor has not been the sane since he broke Coleman's leg.
Agree with this, he was doing well for us prior to that, he was either taken out of the limelight or just shaken but either was his confidence and ability appear to be shot .
Personally I don't think he was doing all that well anyway, he was more solid in defence than Amavi but he was offering nothing going forward and, by playing 2 left backs, he had a lot of support in front of him. After Coleman he looked scared to tackle and it exposed the fact that it was all he was really offering.
If it were me I'd have let Hutton leave in the summer, promoted Mitch Clark up into the squad and worked on developing him into the player he could be. It still gives a problem that he's naturally right footed but, from what I've seen, his left isn't just for standing on.
It would be nice to see Mitch Clark have a go, but no way would I have wanted to let Hutton go and leave him as our only viable option at left back (I don't see Taylor as an option, he is truly awful). But yes, I'd have like to seen Hutton & Clark fight it out for the role.
For me the problem is getting rid of Taylor wasn't an option but Hutton had left, I agree that I'd rather have it the other way but 2 senior, well paid, players in every position (and 3 or 4 in some cases) is unsustainable and means our young players are getting to 21-22 having barely been on the bench let alone seen game time, which is no good for anyone. From there they almost inevitably leave for nothing. I'm convinced it's going to happen with Clark and Suliman, probably RHM and O'Hare as well.
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Taylor has not been the sane since he broke Coleman's leg.
Agree with this, he was doing well for us prior to that, he was either taken out of the limelight or just shaken but either was his confidence and ability appear to be shot .
Personally I don't think he was doing all that well anyway, he was more solid in defence than Amavi but he was offering nothing going forward and, by playing 2 left backs, he had a lot of support in front of him. After Coleman he looked scared to tackle and it exposed the fact that it was all he was really offering.
If it were me I'd have let Hutton leave in the summer, promoted Mitch Clark up into the squad and worked on developing him into the player he could be. It still gives a problem that he's naturally right footed but, from what I've seen, his left isn't just for standing on.
It would be nice to see Mitch Clark have a go, but no way would I have wanted to let Hutton go and leave him as our only viable option at left back (I don't see Taylor as an option, he is truly awful). But yes, I'd have like to seen Hutton & Clark fight it out for the role.
For me the problem is getting rid of Taylor wasn't an option but Hutton had left, I agree that I'd rather have it the other way but 2 senior, well paid, players in every position (and 3 or 4 in some cases) is unsustainable and means our young players are getting to 21-22 having barely been on the bench let alone seen game time, which is no good for anyone. From there they almost inevitably leave for nothing. I'm convinced it's going to happen with Clark and Suliman, probably RHM and O'Hare as well.
I largely agree with you in principal, but I have written Taylor off and just don't want to rely on him in a massively important season. And admittedly I have a soft spot for Hutton.
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Taylor is a bizarre one. I’ve literally never seen anything of note from him in a Villa shirt, good or bad; a brilliant / awful bit of defending, a half-decent cross, a progressive pass. He just literally seems to go through the motions. No glaring mistakes, no notable contributions. Even with a player like Stephen Warnock you could expect a crunching tackle or a defensive howler – with Taylor you don’t even get that.
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All but about half a dozen posts are about how shit Taylor played. Plus a weird Will Hughes tangent.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=57034.90
Having quickly skimmed the first 8 pages it seems the usual grumpy fuckers were moaning about him before he'd even kicked a ball
I don't recall him being anything other than competent when he first signed personally
Mind you, we had a large portion of our supporters that used to dislike Alan Wright as well
What can you do ?
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Taylor has been mostly extremely rubbish, with a handful of barely competent games thrown in. It's not a weird reason, he's just been shit. Not everybody rates Elmo, but I would guess that the majority of posters think he's been good at right back, which is his best position. I know I do. Hutton isn't the greatest player in the world but he's had some good games worthy of comment, and importantly he's a lot better than Taylor.
Each to their own. I'd have Ian Taylor at left back now ahead of Hutton personally.
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Taylor has been mostly extremely rubbish, with a handful of barely competent games thrown in. It's not a weird reason, he's just been shit. Not everybody rates Elmo, but I would guess that the majority of posters think he's been good at right back, which is his best position. I know I do. Hutton isn't the greatest player in the world but he's had some good games worthy of comment, and importantly he's a lot better than Taylor.
Each to their own. I'd have Ian Taylor at left back now ahead of Hutton personally.
I think you're on your own on this one. Having read the thread most of us thought it was a poor signing and he has absolutely fulfilled expectations.
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All but about half a dozen posts are about how shit Taylor played. Plus a weird Will Hughes tangent.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=57034.90
Having quickly skimmed the first 8 pages it seems the usual grumpy fuckers were moaning about him before he'd even kicked a ball
I don't recall him being anything other than competent when he first signed personally
Mind you, we had a large portion of our supporters that used to dislike Alan Wright as well
What can you do ?
First of all not liking things about how the club is run or some of the players we've signed doesn't mean you're a grumpy fucker, it just means people don't share your opinion. Secondly, were the people who thought he was a poor signing wrong given he can't get into the team ahead of a very average right back playing out of position and most people think that's the right call, even us grumpy fuckers.
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What i was clearly getting at is people had already written him off as shit before he'd even kicked a ball.
It's a weird thing some folks have with certain players. And no matter how good/average they may be they will never change their minds and nothing pleases them more than when said player/manager has a bad game or result. It's bizarre to me.
Any player that comes you want to do well surely? you don't pile into them before they've even started. The Nyland thread is another classic example.
Whereas, for me Alan Hutton is one of the worst footballers i've ever seen in the shirt. That wasn't an opinion based without seeing him kick a ball for us, it's been based on having to see him kick one way too often.
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What i was clearly getting at is people had already written him off as shit before he'd even kicked a ball.
It's a weird thing some folks have with certain players. And no matter how good/average they may be they will never change their minds and nothing pleases them more than when said player/manager has a bad game or result. It's bizarre to me.
Any player that comes you want to do well surely? you don't pile into them before they've even started. The Nyland thread is another classic example.
Whereas, for me Alan Hutton is one of the worst footballers i've ever seen in the shirt. That wasn't an opinion based without seeing him kick a ball for us, it's been base don having to see him kick one way too often.
and what I was clearly getting at is that those people were right. Wrapping it up in hyperbolic bullshit like 'nothing please them more than when said player has a bad game' just shows how flimsy your point is. No one on this forum is happy when we play badly/lose games, it's just that some people can see things they don't like and they point them out. I thought Taylor was a poor signing because he'd never been all that great and we signed him when he hadn't really recovered from a major injury. What's happened since has made it clear that my judgement of him was correct and he was a very poor signing, that doesn't mean I want him to be shit, it just means I thought he would be.
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No one on this forum is happy when we play badly/lose games
I think we ALL know people that do actually. Loads of folks can't wait to come on after a loss to lay into Bruce but wont come on and say anything positive about him if we win. You even had folks wanting us to lose recent games to get him out. They may not have said it in so many words but we know that was the case. I'll never understand that, and that's fine. We all have our own ways.
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No one on this forum is happy when we play badly/lose games
I think we ALL know people that do actually. Loads of folks can't wait to come on after a loss to lay into Bruce but wont come on and say anything positive about him if we win. You even had folks wanting us to lose recent games to get him out. They may not have said it in so many words but we know that was the case. I'll never understand that, and that's fine. We all have our own ways.
No we don't, you think you do. Even people who were saying that take a defeat if it meant Bruce going weren't saying it because they'd be happy to see us lose, they were saying it because they don't think we'll get anywhere with Bruce and they'd rather get him out quickly. That's a very different thing to what you're suggesting.
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The link started on the page of his first game for us. I went through a few dozen pages and there were about half a dozen positive comments. No matter how much you want it to be just people writing him off before a ball was kicked it was people saying he wasn't very good when he started kicking a ball for us.
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Where is Bree? Totally out of the 18.
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I've no idea where he is ..... but wherever it is I bet he is really cheesed off
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How did he do in the Swansea game?
Deserves a run in the team?
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Sure does,.been waiting nigh-on two years, it's time l
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I thought he has done ok both games, it’s what is at the side and in front of him that is the problem.
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I thought he was decent
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He was decent. Didn’t notice him for most of the game which is a good thing.
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I’ll be delighted once we can see him at RB instead of Elmo, who is in dreadful form.
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Seems a very obvious change to make now Elphick is back in the building.
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Taylor Chester Elphick and Bree in front of the new man mountain wouldn't be the worst defensive line up.
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Thought today at Preston he stood up well to the physical challenges of the Preston forwards and gave as good as he got. He got stuck in and took no prisoners.
Had to cover too much ground as back 4 were often stretched - but Bree coped well most of the time.
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Really good first half - iffy in the second but not as poor as Hutton was today.
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I'd really like to see what Bree can do in hid rightful position over an extended period. He can't be any worse than Elmo
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Thought he was poor at Preston, and tbh have never seen him look remotely like he could make the grade. Just as much of a waste of money as Tsibola and we should be looking to get rid. Not as good as Hutton or Elmo, which isn't saying much.
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Thought he was poor at Preston, and tbh have never seen him look remotely like he could make the grade. Just as much of a waste of money as Tsibola and we should be looking to get rid. Not as good as Hutton or Elmo, which isn't saying much.
When he played full back at the end of last season I thought he was ok on the ball but looked very uncomfortable with his positioning. With decent coaching that side of his game should improve. Mind you, no amount of coaching has improved Hutton’s.
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Thought he was poor at Preston, and tbh have never seen him look remotely like he could make the grade. Just as much of a waste of money as Tsibola and we should be looking to get rid. Not as good as Hutton or Elmo, which isn't saying much.
When he played full back at the end of last season I thought he was ok on the ball but looked very uncomfortable with his positioning. With decent coaching that side of his game should improve. Mind you, no amount of coaching has improved Hutton’s.
A bit unfair on Hutton. He's having to play out of position at LB. Which we all know is the fault of the idiot Steve Bruce for leaving the defence so threadbare.
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Thought he was poor at Preston, and tbh have never seen him look remotely like he could make the grade. Just as much of a waste of money as Tsibola and we should be looking to get rid. Not as good as Hutton or Elmo, which isn't saying much.
When he played full back at the end of last season I thought he was ok on the ball but looked very uncomfortable with his positioning. With decent coaching that side of his game should improve. Mind you, no amount of coaching has improved Hutton’s.
A bit unfair on Hutton. He's having to play out of position at LB. Which we all know is the fault of the idiot Steve Bruce for leaving the defence so threadbare.
Hutton's positioning is better when he's at left back, you can tell he's actually thinking about it, he's still not great at reading the game so he leaves gaps but it's not because of a poor starting position. On the right he gets caught between defence and midfield far too easily.
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Thought he was poor at Preston, and tbh have never seen him look remotely like he could make the grade. Just as much of a waste of money as Tsibola and we should be looking to get rid. Not as good as Hutton or Elmo, which isn't saying much.
When he played full back at the end of last season I thought he was ok on the ball but looked very uncomfortable with his positioning. With decent coaching that side of his game should improve. Mind you, no amount of coaching has improved Hutton’s.
A bit unfair on Hutton. He's having to play out of position at LB. Which we all know is the fault of the idiot Steve Bruce for leaving the defence so threadbare.
Hutton's positioning is better when he's at left back, you can tell he's actually thinking about it, he's still not great at reading the game so he leaves gaps but it's not because of a poor starting position. On the right he gets caught between defence and midfield far too easily.
See FA Cup final
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I think that was true last season
This year with out full backs pushed on more hes been caught out a lot
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Bree only cost about a million compared to mad money on Tishbola so he gets a bit of time to improve. He's one that needs a run over 10-12 weeks in the side to get into the swing. He's done ok in fairness to him. If Chester needs resting, he may well play a few more games in the centre yet. Could also see Smith trying 3 5 2 and putting him on the right of a 3.
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Can't see us going 352. Our wingers are our strong point, especially with grealish injured
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Can't see us going 352. Our wingers are our strong point, especially with grealish injured
Can't see Smith going 3-5-2 either.
But our wingers are most definitely not our strong point.
See comments on the post match threads. Playing them also totally opens up the central midfield which again causes problems that we don't have the type of player to deal with.
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3-5-2 can only really been used with creative attacking full backs, something we do lack.
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I'd really like to see what Bree can do in hid rightful position over an extended period. He can't be any worse than Elmo
As a footballer Bree is not good enough at this level. He is hopeless and clueless, lacks mobility and shows no creativity in forward positions. He is marginally better than a lamp post.
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He needs a run of games or a loan move. His delivery is very good, but it must be hard coming into such a poor unit at 21.
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He needs a run of games or a loan move. His delivery is very good, but it must be hard coming into such a poor unit at 21.
Is it ?
As much as i desperately want to see Bree do well i've seen nothing to suggest the above is true
The only full back we've got that has a good delivery is Elmo
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Disagree, I think Bree can cross nicely. And yeah, I'd say it's a lot harder walking into an inexperienced rabble of a unit rsther than an organised one. Self evident really.
You think Barry would have looked as good as he did if he was walking in alongside Chester and Elphick as opposed to Southgate and Ugo?
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I admire your conviction, but I've got say I've seen nothing in Bree that makes me have high hopes for him, absolutely nothing.
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Needs selling, looks poor.
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I admire your conviction, but I've got say I've seen nothing in Bree that makes me have high hopes for him, absolutely nothing.
Not really a conviction Lee, more I've not seen him and won't write him off yet.
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I admire your conviction, but I've got say I've seen nothing in Bree that makes me have high hopes for him, absolutely nothing.
Not really a conviction Lee, more I've not seen him and won't write him off yet.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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I think there's been a few little things which show that Bree could become a decent player but we've effectively stalled his career for 2 years and it will take a few more games and confidence playing regularly brings before we see if that player is still in there. As I've said before I'd rather have Bree in making mistakes than Hutton or Elmo making them, With Bree there's a hope that experience will fix them, with Hutton and Elmo their experience has done nothing to solve the problems.
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I would not be surprised if both Bree and Connor both sign new contracts in the summer
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I would not be surprised if both Bree and Connor both sign new contracts in the summer
Hopefully for a different club.
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Was he injured ?
The club wheel him out for interviews in the week and the lads saying how much he realised the Wigan performance was unacceptable. Turn up today to find fucking Hutton is back in doing his carthorse impression for 90 minutes. How is Bree ever going to show us what he can do if he's not even on the bench?
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Was he injured ?
The club wheel him out for interviews in the week and the lads saying how much he realised the Wigan performance was unacceptable. Turn up today to find fucking Hutton is back in doing his carthorse impression for 90 minutes. How is Bree ever going to show us what he can do if he's not even on the bench?
He has never remotely impressed in a Villa shirt let's be honest. If he was fit today but didn't make the 18 then he may well have made his last appearance for us.
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Any news on why he is out the squad again?
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Because he's a bit crap?
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Agree. In fact, bin all of our players that haven't made it by the time they've turned 21, they're obviously shit.
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well I suspect with Bree, we'll never know - he simply doesn't get enough time to prove it one way or the other. But with both Elmo and Hutton sure to be gone in the summer, he might yet get the opportunity.
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He has departed to our old friend at Ipswich Town until the end of the season. Strange one. He was starting until recently.
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Interesting loan shananagans going on. I wonder if any of them turn around and bite us on the bum.
Recalled a couple and sent out a few, surprised by Bree, but he needs to play I guess.
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well I suspect with Bree, we'll never know - he simply doesn't get enough time to prove it one way or the other. But with both Elmo and Hutton sure to be gone in the summer, he might yet get the opportunity.
I would have rather had Bree given the right back opportunity and not Hutton or Elmo . They could be shipped out instead but will have to wait
Bree shouldn't really have to wait till summer if he was gonna get a chance ?! Should he?
Anyway good luck to him at Ipswich
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Hope he does well.
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He really has never looked close to good enough, lets hope it is a shop window and we can get shot. File under 'Jordan Bowery' heap punt that didn't work out. Looks like the French player we just signed will be first choice next season.
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Fingers crossed this is Smith's way of saying 'Go get some game time and show us what you can do' ahead of us binning Hutton & Elmo and recalling James to compete with the new French bloke next season
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Was he injured ?
The club wheel him out for interviews in the week and the lads saying how much he realised the Wigan performance was unacceptable. Turn up today to find fucking Hutton is back in doing his carthorse impression for 90 minutes. How is Bree ever going to show us what he can do if he's not even on the bench?
He has never remotely impressed in a Villa shirt let's be honest. If he was fit today but didn't make the 18 then he may well have made his last appearance for us.
Must be a first 😀. Other young full backs like Lowton and Bennett did well away from the pressure at Villa Park to turn their careers around elsewhere. Bree may well do likewise though he is joining a very poor side. No point continuing to be third choice right back with us.
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Well i'd say he's been average but i'm not sure he'd be the one you'd want to get rid of,
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Well i'd say he's been average but i'm not sure he'd be the one you'd want to get rid of,
No sadly he is one of several, but still the worst of a bad bunch.
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He's only played 18 games in 2 seasons, and he'd only just broken through to being a regular at Barnsley 6 months or do before. Probably do him the world of good to get a run of games at Championship level, could well be all he needs to kick on next season
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Starts against Norwich away. Has his work cut out today !
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He’ll get a lot of the balll with TSM2’s goal kicks.
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So do we assume we cut our losses now?
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Like many others over last few years until we know where we’ll be playing next year we may not be able to afford to to offload at expense of getting others in
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We've already got elmo and Guilbert
A right back who can't get in the Ipswich team isn't going to get in ours
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He was a regular for Ipswich.
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Understudy for Fred. Elmo to move on.
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I'm just not sure, if he'd looked too good for Ipswich I'd probably give him a chance but I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case.
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I'm just not sure, if he'd looked too good for Ipswich I'd probably give him a chance but I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case.
I've never really seen anything in him to be honest, he just seems to lack verve.
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I'm just not sure, if he'd looked too good for Ipswich I'd probably give him a chance but I've seen nothing to suggest that's the case.
I've never really seen anything in him to be honest, he just seems to lack verve.
He looks like he should be a good full back, he's got decent pace, he's pretty strong, he's good in the air, he's got a decent cross and his control is pretty good but despite all the bits being there he's never looked mentally right. I'd put it down to needing a run of games, and maybe that would still help, but it's hard to give someone game time if they don't show something. For me he's a bit like Tish, I like the idea more than the reality. I'm a little worried that this might be true for Green as well.
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it's definitely for Andre - he's just not good enough
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Understudy for Fred. Elmo to move on.
Nah would keep AEM for his final year. Aside from that nightmare December he's generally been a solid player for us and good to have reliable understudy if the French guy dosen't settle in straight away or struggles with pace of the game here.
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Green lacks conviction for me, has all the attributes but just doesn't make it happen
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Green lacks conviction for me, has all the attributes but just doesn't make it happen
Way too inconsistent. One good thing in every three and has to turn that around. Hopefully, the coaches are working on him and improving him bit by bit. I agree about the attributes though.
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Green needs another season on loan somewhere. If we go up, it can be to a Championship club. He needs to learn consistency and to how to play at a high level, week in, week out. We can't afford for him to do that with us in my opinion.
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He was a regular for Ipswich.
I hope they sign him. From what I have seen he is not for us.
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watching Green play is like driving at 90 miles an hour down a dead end street.
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Green needs another season on loan somewhere. If we go up, it can be to a Championship club. He needs to learn consistency and to how to play at a high level, week in, week out. We can't afford for him to do that with us in my opinion.
It's not harmed him or us lately.
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Gone to Luton on loan - Pravda Facebook
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Like BB, struggled to get into our Championship team so would find getting an appearance in our Premier league team a rarity.
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Good luck James.
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Hope he gets to play and does better than he did under Lambert.
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At least Luton try to play the game in the right way. Good luck, like Hogan though, I hope that this is with a view to a permanent signing at the end of the season.
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Gone to Luton on loan - Pravda Facebook
He was an invisible sod but he seemed to try. Good luck to him.
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Might be good enough for Luton, but certainly not good enough for the Championship or EPL. Hopefully he is on low enough wages to a fee if he does ok.
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Might be good enough for Luton, but certainly not good enough for the Championship or EPL. Hopefully he is on low enough wages to a fee if he does ok.
Erm...Luton are in the Championship
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Might be good enough for Luton, but certainly not good enough for the Championship or EPL. Hopefully he is on low enough wages to a fee if he does ok.
Erm...Luton are in the Championship
Well that's any chance of selling him gone then! Didn't realise they got promoted, too high a level for him.
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Might be good enough for Luton, but certainly not good enough for the Championship or EPL. Hopefully he is on low enough wages to a fee if he does ok.
Erm...Luton are in the Championship
Well that's any chance of selling him gone then! Didn't realise they got promoted, too high a level for him.
Except we signed him from a championship side where he was doing pretty well. He's definitely good enough for that level and was let down badly by Bruce signing him and then deciding to spend 18 months trying to turn him into a centre back.
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Gone to Luton on loan - Pravda Facebook
He was an invisible sod but he seemed to try. Good luck to him.
Sod off using that word for our rejects.
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He's a good player, just not good enough for where we are now. The fact he was one of 5 million RBs we had made his job a tricky one.
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That's a pity: there were still a ton of cheese puns to be made.
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I always quite liked what I saw of him. Energetic, and not scared to get forward. Almost certainly not good enough for where we are now, but I'm sure he'll have a decent career in the Championship.
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I always quite liked what I saw of him. Energetic, and not scared to get forward. Almost certainly not good enough for where we are now, but I'm sure he'll have a decent career in the Championship.
That's about where I am, I don't think he ever looked terrible but his appearances were so intermittent that he never really stood a chance, especially given the amount of right backs we had in the squad for most of his time.
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So James Bree has signed a permanent deal at Luton, probably his level at the moment but may get better as he's only 22.
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Had a chance to join Cheltenham and score a double in Gloucestershire.
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Good luck James
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All the best to him. Don't think he was ever going to make it for us, but seems popular at Luton.
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Good luck James.
A good deal for all concerned.
Arrived with plenty of promise, but never really settled in and ended up slipping down the pecking order. Never moaned and wasn't a problem in the dressing room.
Young enough to rebuild his career.
Selling him will bring a few quid in and free up a few bob from the weekly wage bill.
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Liked his Yorkshire accent coming out in interviews after he signed with Conor from Barnsley in the Jan'17. Never quite shone but showed a good attitude and was solid by all accounts in his spells out on loan with Ipswich and Luton.
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Hopefully we've done the smart thing and put a sell on fee in there somewhere. He seems a good lad and will do a great job for them.
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Would like to think we put a sell on clause in there if we sold him for hardly anything. He's done alright at Luton and is still very young so in less pressured environment wouldn't surprise me if he eventually gets up to premier league standard.
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I never understood this signing. Did he ever start for us?
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The signing made perfect sense, just didn’t work out for whatever reason. Best of luck.
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I never understood this signing. Did he ever start for us?
Started the second leg of Boro play off at left back. Few league games here and there.
He was very highly rated at the time we signed him, some decent premier league clubs were scouting him. Guess if he had his time again he'd stay at Barnsley another 6 months.
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I thought we released him, not sold him?
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Just don’t get why we signed a player and then didn’t even use him. Fair to expect a chance. Must have been frustrating for him.
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Just don’t get why we signed a player and then didn’t even use him. Fair to expect a chance. Must have been frustrating for him.
He made a couple of dozen appearances, which is enough of a chance. Every manager makes signings like this - sometimes you get David Platt or Shaun Teale, sometimes it's Jordan Bowery.
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Just don’t get why we signed a player and then didn’t even use him. Fair to expect a chance. Must have been frustrating for him.
He made a couple of dozen appearances, which is enough of a chance. Every manager makes signings like this - sometimes you get David Platt or Shaun Teale, sometimes it's Jordan Bowery.
That's largely where I am but I'd add that Bruce more than most has a habit of signing a player without doing much research and then deciding it was a mistake and not playing them much within a few months, it happened to an extent with Bjarnason, Hogan and Lansbury as well. It's why I hated his approach of buying players he liked the look of and then working out how to use them after the window was closed.
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Just don’t get why we signed a player and then didn’t even use him. Fair to expect a chance. Must have been frustrating for him.
He made a couple of dozen appearances, which is enough of a chance. Every manager makes signings like this - sometimes you get David Platt or Shaun Teale, sometimes it's Jordan Bowery.
That's largely where I am but I'd add that Bruce more than most has a habit of signing a player without doing much research and then deciding it was a mistake and not playing them much within a few months, it happened to an extent with Bjarnason, Hogan and Lansbury as well. It's why I hated his approach of buying players he liked the look of and then working out how to use them after the window was closed.
Add Enda Stevens to that list: a solid Premier League player now.
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Stevens was an odd one. He was 27 and an unremarkable lower divisions player then he suddenly took off.
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Just don’t get why we signed a player and then didn’t even use him. Fair to expect a chance. Must have been frustrating for him.
He made a couple of dozen appearances, which is enough of a chance. Every manager makes signings like this - sometimes you get David Platt or Shaun Teale, sometimes it's Jordan Bowery.
That's largely where I am but I'd add that Bruce more than most has a habit of signing a player without doing much research and then deciding it was a mistake and not playing them much within a few months, it happened to an extent with Bjarnason, Hogan and Lansbury as well. It's why I hated his approach of buying players he liked the look of and then working out how to use them after the window was closed.
Bruce claimed he had scouted Hogan extensively since his Rochdale days..Lansbury was arguably as bad if not worse, Forest were keen to get rid but Bruce was duped by his stats. About five games in it was clear Lansbury was bone idle lazy unfortunately.
Bree was worth a punt at the time Hourihane came in from Barnsley but never once looked like he was good enough for us. Has time on his side to get his career back on track.
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Just don’t get why we signed a player and then didn’t even use him. Fair to expect a chance. Must have been frustrating for him.
He made a couple of dozen appearances, which is enough of a chance. Every manager makes signings like this - sometimes you get David Platt or Shaun Teale, sometimes it's Jordan Bowery.
That's largely where I am but I'd add that Bruce more than most has a habit of signing a player without doing much research and then deciding it was a mistake and not playing them much within a few months, it happened to an extent with Bjarnason, Hogan and Lansbury as well. It's why I hated his approach of buying players he liked the look of and then working out how to use them after the window was closed.
Yep a young lad like Bree would've required coaching on the training pitch with regards positioning so not exactly Bruce's forte, he prefers the tried and tested player who dosen't need that if they've played 200-300 games already in their career so that's why we signed AEM six months later who fitted that perfectly. Hutton was also still around and playing regularly in 17-18.
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I quite liked Stevens. He seemed to have a good attitude. Just appeared to be out of his depth at times.
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Enda went back down the leagues and worked his way up again. Not everyone gets that opportunity but he made the most of it and he's one of Wilder's most reliables now. Fair play to him. Like our Conor, he's made the most of his moderate talent with a strong work ethic.
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I quite liked Stevens. He seemed to have a good attitude. Just appeared to be out of his depth at times.
We've had worst left backs play for us since we let him go.
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Stevens was an odd one. He was 27 and an unremarkable lower divisions player then he suddenly took off.
Stevens is quite honest as to why it took him so long, decent interview below. Doesn't say much for the coaching or direction he received in McLeishs time with us.
https:www.balls.ie/amp/football/enda-stevens-sheffield-united-interview-407496
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Good luck to the guy. At 22 you're hardly the finished article so I presume Smith doesn't rate him to make the grade which is fair enough. Put it down to another wtf signing by Nan's hair. (poor Newcastle)
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Good luck to the guy. At 22 you're hardly the finished article so I presume Smith doesn't rate him to make the grade which is fair enough. Put it down to another wtf signing by Nan's hair. (poor Newcastle)
It was a gamble on a promising young player from the lower leagues. That sort of thing happens all the time.
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Never let us down in the number of positions he was asked to play, never made a fuss.
Good luck to the lad.
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Somebody posed the question as to whether we've got a sell-on clause.
You'd hope we put that into all our sales deals - just in case. If we trade off a selling price of say £3m for a lower one of say £2m with a 25% sell-on clause might it help us ship out some of the dead wood? Bearing in mind we'd get them off the payroll too.
Similarly when we're trying to sign somebody, could giving the selling club a sell-on clause make our bid more attractive to the club we're trying to buy from?
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Sub not used today but he could help in the Carabao Cup rounds to come. 👍
Well done, Luton!
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Hat-trick for James Collins!
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Hat-trick for James Collins!
Hurray!