Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2017, 07:18:06 PM
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 19, 2017, 07:23:23 PM
Defender, midfielder or forward? Left, right, centre?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 19, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 19, 2017, 07:25:18 PM
Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Post by: frank black on January 19, 2017, 07:26:08 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2017, 07:26:29 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 19, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Playmaker with an eye for goal. Can take a set piece as well.
Post by: russon on January 19, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
Post by: Chris87 on January 19, 2017, 07:29:18 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on January 19, 2017, 07:30:26 PM
In Lansbury and Hourihane we will have two midfielders who run a lot and like to get into the box and score goals. That sounds really quite foreign as a concept.
I'm getting giddy with excitement at the prospect of bodies in the box! But what are these goals that you speak of?
Post by: footyskillz on January 19, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
Really good middle man plays well with aggression and offensive play.
Pros gets goals . Great footballing age . Creative. Captain and versatile in middle.
Negative - aggression leads to yellow cards !
Really hope he signs and we 'll enjoy his play.
Think Fabian Delph/ Charlie Adam hybrid
Post by: KevinGage on January 19, 2017, 07:39:36 PM
Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Plays deep midfield -closer to defensive midfield, usually. But has more assists and goals than most attacking midfielders in this league.
Left footed, but I am sure I have seen him cutting in from the right to score some of his goals for Barnsley this season. Would be happier with this deal than the Lansbury one. But happy with both. Gardwood RIP.
Post by: SirSteveUK on January 19, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
Absolute cracking player! Steal at 1 million !
Really good middle man plays well with aggression and offensive play.
Pros gets goals . Great footballing age . Creative. Captain and versatile in middle.
Negative - aggression leads to yellow cards !
Really hope he signs and we 'll enjoy his play.
Think Fabian Delph/ Charlie Adam hybrid
So we are signing an overweight snake ??
Post by: Louzie0 on January 19, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Absolute cracking player! Steal at 1 million !
Really good middle man plays well with aggression and offensive play.
Pros gets goals . Great footballing age . Creative. Captain and versatile in middle.
Negative - aggression leads to yellow cards !
Really hope he signs and we 'll enjoy his play.
Think Fabian Delph/ Charlie Adam hybrid
Looking forward to seeing him, you've sold me!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 19, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
In Lansbury and Hourihane we will have two midfielders who run a lot and like to get into the box and score goals. That sounds really quite foreign as a concept.
What is this sorcery you speak of?
Post by: footyskillz on January 19, 2017, 07:42:41 PM
Faster than Adam- aren't we all ! Slower than Delphi! (When he's not injured )Absolute cracking player! Steal at 1 million !
Really good middle man plays well with aggression and offensive play.
Pros gets goals . Great footballing age . Creative. Captain and versatile in middle.
Negative - aggression leads to yellow cards !
Really hope he signs and we 'll enjoy his play.
Think Fabian Delph/ Charlie Adam hybrid
Looking forward to seeing him, you've sold me!
Post by: russon on January 19, 2017, 07:42:43 PM
Absolute cracking player! Steal at 1 million !Is he as good as the last half dozen 'steals' that we've achieved? Will he be an improvement on the midfield general combo Gardner and Westwood or is that asking a bit much?
Really good middle man plays well with aggression and offensive play.
Pros gets goals . Great footballing age . Creative. Captain and versatile in middle.
Negative - aggression leads to yellow cards !
Really hope he signs and we 'll enjoy his play.
Think Fabian Delph/ Charlie Adam hybrid
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 19, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Forgive me if I curb my enthusiasm. We could train Messi at Bodymoor Heath for one week and turn him into Warren Aspinall.
Ha! Yeah, we turned McCormack from (one of) the best players in the last 5 years in the Championship to somebody who looks like he wouldn't get in a Sunday league side. And all in a few months.
Say what you like about us, but we can ruin a player better and faster than any other team!
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 19, 2017, 07:45:12 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 19, 2017, 07:47:20 PM
However I hold out hope for Gardner. I always like a local/come up thru the ranks. It's annoying even if they aren't the best. I perhaps romaticallly feel players are inclined to feel a bit more. Hmm gabby!
Post by: russon on January 19, 2017, 07:50:23 PM
I always like a local/come up thru the ranks. It's annoying even if they aren't the best. I perhaps romaticallly feel players are inclined to feel a bit more. Hmm gabby!That's where Gabby went wrong, he thought you said feed not feel.
Post by: KevinGage on January 19, 2017, 07:57:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 19, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2017, 08:02:01 PM
Blimey, we might actually score a goal in January!
Steady! I find it's overblown optimism like that that leads to the biggest disappointments.
Post by: andyh on January 19, 2017, 08:03:44 PM
I don't mean they need to be bad people, but we need players who believe they are better than the opposition, who KNOW, they are better than the opposition and want to show it.
Houlihane and Landsbury look like they fit the bill.
Post by: Nelly on January 19, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
Post by: The Edge on January 19, 2017, 08:07:11 PM
Lol that made me chuckle!Absolute cracking player! Steal at 1 million !
Really good middle man plays well with aggression and offensive play.
Pros gets goals . Great footballing age . Creative. Captain and versatile in middle.
Negative - aggression leads to yellow cards !
Really hope he signs and we 'll enjoy his play.
Think Fabian Delph/ Charlie Adam hybrid
So we are signing an overweight snake ??
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 19, 2017, 08:13:28 PM
fuck me roll on saturday and a proper midfield
Post by: UK Redsox on January 19, 2017, 08:13:43 PM
Hopefully we can get Angela and Hot Lips in before the next game.
What other potential signings are on the Radar ?
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 19, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
Hopefully we can get Angela and Hot Lips in before the next game.
What other potential signings are on the Radar ?
Ill keep a hawkeye out
Post by: four fornicholl on January 19, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
For the money looks a bargainThe proper midfield will, unfortunately, all be in suits, and about thirty years too old.
fuck me roll on saturday and a proper midfield
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 19, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
He, along with Bree (or any other right back) are the ones i really want. So until i see them in the shirt i'm not believing any tittle tattle on twatter
Post by: Yossarian on January 19, 2017, 08:18:26 PM
Post by: frank black on January 19, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
Post by: andyh on January 19, 2017, 08:23:05 PM
Once they are in we'll start to sMASH teams.Hopefully we can get Angela and Hot Lips in before the next game.
What other potential signings are on the Radar ?
Ill keep a hawkeye out
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 08:24:10 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
Hourihane is the one I really wanted us to get. Clips I have seen he looks a really good player. Really hope it's true.I really hope we haven't mis-spelled his name and gone after (Wes) Houlihan again, again, again........
Post by: VancouverLion on January 19, 2017, 08:29:14 PM
if we can get him & Lansbury signed tomorrow, thinks its too early to throw them both in Saturday without having trained with the team?
Think I would!
Tremendous signings that will massively improve us.
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 19, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Once they are in we'll start to sMASH teams.Hopefully we can get Angela and Hot Lips in before the next game.
What other potential signings are on the Radar ?
Ill keep a hawkeye out
Im going to clinger on to that thought
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2017, 08:33:24 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2017, 08:34:39 PM
Who rah haine
Hoo-ra-han.
Similar to Wes from Norwich we nearly signed (swap the la for ra).
His first name in Irish is a doozy.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 19, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Notched 26 goals in two seasons at Barnsley, I' ll have some of that!
if we can get him & Lansbury signed tomorrow, thinks its too early to throw them both in Saturday without having trained with the team?
Yeah, two in side is painless.
(Sorry, I didn't watch it much and felt left out).
Post by: john e on January 19, 2017, 08:38:03 PM
Notched 26 goals in two seasons at Barnsley, I' ll have some of that!
if we can get him & Lansbury signed tomorrow, thinks its too early to throw them both in Saturday without having trained with the team?
Think I would!
Tremendous signings that will massively improve us.
the only drawback I can see is that it might disrupt the delicate balance of of strength, skills and energy that we have going on at the moment
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2017, 08:42:33 PM
Thats my worry as well. It's like signing Gerrard when you already have Xavi , Iniesta and Lampard in your midfield.Notched 26 goals in two seasons at Barnsley, I' ll have some of that!the only drawback I can see is that it might disrupt the delicate balance of of strength, skills and energy that we have going on at the moment
if we can get him & Lansbury signed tomorrow, thinks its too early to throw them both in Saturday without having trained with the team?
Think I would!
Tremendous signings that will massively improve us.
Post by: Richard E on January 19, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
Quite. And can he point?Notched 26 goals in two seasons at Barnsley, I' ll have some of that!
if we can get him & Lansbury signed tomorrow, thinks its too early to throw them both in Saturday without having trained with the team?
Think I would!
Tremendous signings that will massively improve us.
the only drawback I can see is that it might disrupt the delicate balance of of strength, skills and energy that we have going on at the moment
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Post by: remy on January 19, 2017, 08:45:51 PM
Because years of shite midfields.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 08:48:43 PM
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 19, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
If he manages to dribble forward a few yards, look up and cross, even pop a corner into the box - I will suck him off.
Because years of shite midfields.
Jesus its the cock lollipop all over again
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2017, 08:51:35 PM
#You are like a Hourihane, there's calm in your eye#
"This is the story of Hourihane. Replacing the man who everyone blames..."
Post by: PeterWithe on January 19, 2017, 08:52:59 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 08:53:12 PM
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 19, 2017, 08:55:09 PM
Why?In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Post by: supertom on January 19, 2017, 08:55:13 PM
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 19, 2017, 08:55:34 PM
In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Does it matter?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 19, 2017, 08:56:57 PM
In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
I was hoping for a little more info from my first question. Is that ok?
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2017, 08:57:22 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 19, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
Olaftab has an app.Why?In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 19, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
I apologise for wanting to find out more. Will you accept my apology?
Post by: Ger Regan on January 19, 2017, 08:58:51 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2017, 08:59:18 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Jedinak sitting, with Hourinane and Angela either side. That's a proper midfield.Jedi-nak will really know the Force is with him then.
Post by: villabear on January 19, 2017, 09:03:05 PM
If he manages to dribble forward a few yards, look up and cross, even pop a corner into the box - I will suck him off.
Because years of shite midfields.
Years of shite midfields - I have to agree.
The sucking him off bit - it'll have to be a no from me. A firm handshake perhaps? (fnar fnar)
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2017, 09:05:27 PM
I am hoping Jedinak will never play for us again.Jedinak sitting, with Hourinane and Angela either side. That's a proper midfield.Jedi-nak will really know the Force is with him then.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 09:26:54 PM
Let's hope none of these not-yet-signed signings suffers a deLaet...or we will be disappointed, won't we ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 19, 2017, 09:27:45 PM
We will need Jedinak to sit in but he will look a different player with Hourihane and Lansbury with him. Just watched a YouTube of Hourihane this season. He's got a bloody brilliant left foot and is a really good size. Barnsley have scored some cracking goals. Oh and he destroyed the Blues. Takes a corner too.
Jedinak looked good along the likes of Cabaye and the average Ledley/mcarthy and zaha , these players are better than pointy and GG .
So jedi will improve with these new players.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 09:30:53 PM
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 19, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
Once they are in we'll start to sMASH teams.Hopefully we can get Angela and Hot Lips in before the next game.
What other potential signings are on the Radar ?
Ill keep a hawkeye out
Im going to clinger on to that thought
We'll have so much pace it will give us major Burns
If it doesn't work out - at least Suicide is painless!
Post by: Mister E on January 19, 2017, 09:50:11 PM
Jedinak sitting, with Hourinane and Angela either side. That's a proper midfield.I'd prefer the Jedi to be standing up, if you don't mind.
Post by: footyskillz on January 19, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
If he manages to dribble forward a few yards, look up and cross, even pop a corner into the box - I will suck him off.
Because years of shite midfields.
Years of shite midfields - I have to agree.
The sucking him off bit - it'll have to be a no from me. A firm handshake perhaps? (fnar fnar)
How about a little .Just the tip A nice tease ! Presuming he brings us pleasure he can have same. I know we are all holding our hearts to make sweet love to Dr Tony
Post by: Mister E on January 19, 2017, 09:52:24 PM
You're no Hotlips, then?If he manages to dribble forward a few yards, look up and cross, even pop a corner into the box - I will suck him off.
Because years of shite midfields.
Years of shite midfields - I have to agree.
The sucking him off bit - it'll have to be a no from me. A firm handshake perhaps? (fnar fnar)
Post by: john e on January 19, 2017, 09:57:41 PM
We will need Jedinak to sit in but he will look a different player with Hourihane and Lansbury with him. Just watched a YouTube of Hourihane this season. He's got a bloody brilliant left foot and is a really good size. Barnsley have scored some cracking goals. Oh and he destroyed the Blues. Takes a corner too.
I saw a clip on Tv of some of the goals Gestede scored for us when we sold him to Boro
if I hadn't have known anything about him and that was all I was going on I'd have thought he was the new Marco Van Basten
Post by: bobdylan on January 19, 2017, 09:58:38 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on January 19, 2017, 10:17:15 PM
If he manages to dribble forward a few yards, look up and cross, even pop a corner into the box - I will suck him off.
Because years of shite midfields.
Years of shite midfields - I have to agree.
The sucking him off bit - it'll have to be a no from me. A firm handshake perhaps? (fnar fnar)
How about a little .Just the tip A nice tease ! Presuming he brings us pleasure he can have same. I know we are all holding our hearts to make sweet love to Dr Tony
Haha. You've made me chuckle there, footy
Post by: TheMalandro on January 19, 2017, 10:28:11 PM
If he manages to dribble forward a few yards, look up and cross, even pop a corner into the box - I will suck him off.
Because years of shite midfields.
Years of shite midfields - I have to agree.
The sucking him off bit - it'll have to be a no from me. A firm handshake perhaps? (fnar fnar)
How about a little .Just the tip A nice tease ! Presuming he brings us pleasure he can have same. I know we are all holding our hearts to make sweet love to Dr Tony
Where do you live footyskillz?
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2017, 11:00:20 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 19, 2017, 11:05:45 PM
Ok no more. Well one more
North London
Man crush-
But would you rather Henri or Conor??
I'm lansbury he's like a male gemma lucy without the essentials
Post by: footyskillz on January 19, 2017, 11:10:27 PM
In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Does it matter?
Do what you like i say pal!
Post by: Axl Rose on January 19, 2017, 11:17:52 PM
In future CGBB can you write down all your questions and ask them in one post please.Midfield.
That'll do for me!
Next question, what type? (Other than "good"). Defensive, attacking, bit of both?
Does it matter?
Do what you like i say pal!
Does that extend to rare flavoured lollipop jokes, too?
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2017, 11:27:28 PM
Post by: remy on January 19, 2017, 11:40:34 PM
I wonder what the chances are of Westwood going to Wolves if we get these 2 deals over the line.
It's a Yay! When we make a new signing. When this waster Westwood leaves it will give me the same feeling. And when Dracula goes...oh and flabby too!
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2017, 12:08:20 AM
he's like a male gemma lucy without the essentials
There is literally no part of this sentence that I understand.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2017, 12:09:30 AM
Post by: FatSam on January 20, 2017, 12:36:37 AM
It would help if I knew who Gemma Lucy was. Or perhaps it wouldn't.
I had never heard of her, but thanks to Google, I'm enchanted.
Post by: DeKuip on January 20, 2017, 01:06:51 AM
Time to use Skip Hire to get rid of some rubbish now.
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2017, 06:57:46 AM
Post by: Villafirst on January 20, 2017, 07:24:51 AM
Is there anything concrete on Hourihane?
Villa are trying to cement the deal....
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 20, 2017, 07:30:09 AM
THIS IS NOT A CRUISING SITE FOLKS.
oh bye then :(
Post by: TheMalandro on January 20, 2017, 07:41:46 AM
THIS IS NOT A CRUISING SITE FOLKS.
oh bye then :(
Sail away
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 20, 2017, 07:51:40 AM
Is there anything concrete on Hourihane?
Villa are trying to cement the deal....
It will be plastered everywhere
Post by: PeterWithe on January 20, 2017, 08:10:59 AM
So we're adding the Barnsley and Forest captains to the Fulham, Bournemouth and Palace captains we signed in the summer.
Well it's worked well so far.
Post by: mattjpa on January 20, 2017, 08:43:12 AM
Sorry !
Ok no more. Well one more
North London
Man crush-
But would you rather Henri or Conor??
I'm lansbury he's like a male gemma lucy without the essentials
Making fun of gay people is not cool footy. You need to remember there are people on here who may fancy Lansbury with all of his essentials who could be offended by that ;) arf.
Post by: mattjpa on January 20, 2017, 08:45:03 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2017, 08:49:27 AM
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 20, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
Is there anything concrete on Hourihane?
Villa are trying to cement the deal....
It will be plastered everywhere
all over the cracks
Post by: Richard E on January 20, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
Houirhane
And he's gonna score for Villa again
And of course he will
And again the next time
Post by: in exile on January 20, 2017, 10:03:10 AM
He is a sweet and tender Hourihane
Houirhane
And he's gonna score for Villa again
And of course he will
And again the next time
WTF?
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
Is there anything concrete on Hourihane?
Villa are trying to cement the deal....
It will be plastered everywhere
all over the cracks
Gets up in between cracks ready to explode with a shot
Post by: UK Redsox on January 20, 2017, 10:08:09 AM
Is it "Hour" or "Who" and is it "Han" or "Haine" ?
Post by: mr underhill on January 20, 2017, 10:08:21 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2017, 10:08:41 AM
edited
Post by: chrisw1 on January 20, 2017, 10:11:55 AM
I think the panther on her chest was a mistake.It would help if I knew who Gemma Lucy was. Or perhaps it wouldn't.
I had never heard of her, but thanks to Google, I'm enchanted.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 20, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
Is it "Hour" or "Who" and is it "Han" or "Haine" ?
The latter and the former respectively. No links to Luke that we know of.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 20, 2017, 11:06:17 AM
How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
Is it "Hour" or "Who" and is it "Han" or "Haine" ?
The latter and the former respectively. No links to Luke that we know of.
So basically we drop the 'i' and in Brummie speak it becomes How-erh-ain
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2017, 11:09:11 AM
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 20, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
I wonder what the chances are of Westwood going to Wolves if we get these 2 deals over the line.
That happening would be worthy of a daisy chain of epic proportions
Post by: Small Rodent on January 20, 2017, 11:24:54 AM
I wonder what the chances are of Westwood going to Wolves if we get these 2 deals over the line.
That happening would be worthy of a daisy chain of epic proportions
Ha ha!
Post by: UK Redsox on January 20, 2017, 11:33:13 AM
How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
Is it "Hour" or "Who" and is it "Han" or "Haine" ?
The latter and the former respectively. No links to Luke that we know of.
I was thinking more in terms of a Scorpions "Rock You Like a Hourihane" song.
I doubt that even the Holte End could could cope with a Luke based chant.
....... having said that "Unsolved Mid-Fielder" could work ;)
Post by: DB on January 20, 2017, 11:54:29 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 20, 2017, 12:08:38 PM
How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
Is it "Hour" or "Who" and is it "Han" or "Haine" ?
I've been pronouncing it "Hoo-ree-han".
Still hoping we can sign Wes Hoolahan, so that we can have an Irish midfield pairing or Hoolahan and Hourihane.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2017, 12:21:27 PM
How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
CO-NOR.
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 12:23:44 PM
Epic ! Hahaha !!How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
CO-NOR.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2017, 12:24:20 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 20, 2017, 12:25:32 PM
Worryingly, I see his first name causing Kieran Clarke-style problems.
Nah, we've turned a corner.
Post by: el león Benidorm on January 20, 2017, 12:25:37 PM
How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
CO-NOR.
Spelt Wrong -CONNOR!
Just ask my boy
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 12:29:07 PM
Jemma Lucy lansbury -tatto and beard
Hooray Hollywood Houraine- Irish accent and breed
Both tough aggression!
Equals=Connor McGregor!
Post by: CT on January 20, 2017, 12:49:13 PM
Thinking about it Jemma lucy lansbury and Conor Hooray Hollywood houraine when combined together in a melting pot at dr Tony lab you would have this ufc combo-
Jemma Lucy lansbury -tatto and beard
Hooray Hollywood Houraine- Irish accent and breed
Both tough aggression!
Equals=Connor McGregor!
You are Ted Rogers. 3-2-1!
Post by: Joshua Fineman on January 20, 2017, 12:50:43 PM
This is quite fun...
Post by: UK Redsox on January 20, 2017, 12:52:06 PM
https://twitter.com/playmaker_EN/status/822405853097508864
This is quite fun...
Have Villa as a club been involved in 8 goals in the last two months ?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 20, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2017, 12:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/playmaker_EN/status/822405853097508864
This is quite fun...
Have Villa as a club been involved in 8 goals in the last two months ?
Our defence have been involved in loads of goals.
Post by: Bad English on January 20, 2017, 01:02:13 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 20, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
Pat Murphy saying we haven't actually bid yet. We're in for him but there's work to do yet.FFS!
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 20, 2017, 01:06:17 PM
Pat Murphy saying we haven't actually bid yet. We're in for him but there's work to do yet.FFS!
Barnsley playing hardball but he wants to come apparently
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 01:14:41 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 20, 2017, 01:22:42 PM
Pat Murphy claiming that this is done for £2.75m and we hope to see Hourihane deal close to being agreed with Barnsley later today.
Hourihah!
The big knobs have gone round the table and yanked the iron out of the fire.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 20, 2017, 01:23:17 PM
Pat Murphy claiming that this is done for £2.75m and we hope to see Hourihane deal close to being agreed with Barnsley later today.
Hourihah!
The big knobs have gone round the table and yanked the iron out of the fire.
Blackadder ?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 20, 2017, 01:27:08 PM
FFS just despatch a squad of troops and burn their village.Pat Murphy saying we haven't actually bid yet. We're in for him but there's work to do yet.FFS!
Barnsley playing hardball but he wants to come apparently
Post by: Confusious says on January 20, 2017, 01:43:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2017, 01:44:10 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
Well we'd be breaching all sorts of rules if we did that.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 20, 2017, 01:46:58 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
Well we'd be breaching all sorts of rules if we did that.
I'd be heartbroken
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 20, 2017, 01:47:20 PM
Pat Murphy claiming that this is done for £2.75m and we hope to see Hourihane deal close to being agreed with Barnsley later today.
Hourihah!
The big knobs have gone round the table and yanked the iron out of the fire.
Blackadder ?
'Oh we've survived it! The Great War 1914 to 1917...'
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 20, 2017, 02:04:35 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Likewise, I don't see a problem with us agreeing something with the player. Nobody raised any questions when Everton did it to us over Cleverly.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 02:06:25 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Likewise, I don't see a problem with us agreeing something with the player. Nobody raised any questions when Everton did it to us over Cleverly.
And with good reason, otherwise we may have been stuck with him.
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 02:09:37 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Likewise, I don't see a problem with us agreeing something with the player. Nobody raised any questions when Everton did it to us over Cleverly.
Cleverley wasn't our player though.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 20, 2017, 02:14:46 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Likewise, I don't see a problem with us agreeing something with the player. Nobody raised any questions when Everton did it to us over Cleverly.
Cleverley wasn't our player though.
OK they did it to MU then,
Post by: chrisw1 on January 20, 2017, 02:16:27 PM
And if we've paid £3m for Forrest's captain I can understand why Barnsley may think £1m for theirs is a bit derisory (if the numbers being mentioned are true)Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 02:17:27 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Likewise, I don't see a problem with us agreeing something with the player. Nobody raised any questions when Everton did it to us over Cleverly.
Cleverley wasn't our player though.
OK they did it to MU then,
I'm not sure what you mean.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 20, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
And if we've paid £3m for Forrest's captain I can understand why Barnsley may think £1m for theirs is a bit derisory (if the numbers being mentioned are true)Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
There are all sorts of figures being bandied about. Last week it was 1 million, accepted from Sheffield Wednesday. If this is true, why should we be held to ransom just because of what we paid for someone else?
There was also the interesting comment from the Dr last week that clubs are stalling, to enable them to play the players for as long as possible. This has to refer to Barnsley as Lansbury didn't play, likewise Rhodes. It will be interesting to see Barnsleys team tomorrow.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 20, 2017, 02:25:58 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
Likewise, I don't see a problem with us agreeing something with the player. Nobody raised any questions when Everton did it to us over Cleverly.
Cleverley wasn't our player though.
OK they did it to MU then,
I'm not sure what you mean.
Cleverly agreed to join us for £7 million. Everton came in and they agreed to sign him at the end of his contract. We ended up loaning him for £1 million or something and he left for free 9 months later. MU lost out on the fee because Everton tapped him.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 02:31:03 PM
Post by: mr underhill on January 20, 2017, 02:35:59 PM
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 20, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
We had the option to sign him in Jan, same as Manure had the option to recall him in Jan. Both were part of his loan agreement when he joined us. He was shit so he just remained on loan to us for the rest of the season.
We only had the option to buy if he would have agreed to signing, why else was the initial transfer changed to a loan AFTER he spoke with Everton?
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 02:40:27 PM
We had the option to sign him in Jan, same as Manure had the option to recall him in Jan. Both were part of his loan agreement when he joined us. He was shit so he just remained on loan to us for the rest of the season.
We only had the option to buy if he would have agreed to signing, why else was the initial transfer changed to a loan AFTER he spoke with Everton?
I thought it was for a loan until the end of his contract anyway, then he just chose where to go and he chose Everton. Us or Everton wouldn't have paid £7m for a player who was out of contract a few months later.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 20, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
We had the option to sign him in Jan, same as Manure had the option to recall him in Jan. Both were part of his loan agreement when he joined us. He was shit so he just remained on loan to us for the rest of the season.
We only had the option to buy if he would have agreed to signing, why else was the initial transfer changed to a loan AFTER he spoke with Everton?
I thought it was for a loan until the end of his contract anyway, then he just chose where to go and he chose Everton. Us or Everton wouldn't have paid £7m for a player who was out of contract a few months later.
No. A £7 million bid was accepted and Clevely agreed. Then Everton came in, spoke with him and our permanent deal was changed to a loan deal. The rest is history.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 02:51:55 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 20, 2017, 02:53:46 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
I don't see a problem with them trying to get as much money as they can. They don't have to agree to the deal we want.
We are going in all Theresa May on this one..
We are working hard for the best possible deal for the club, this will be a claret and blue Hourihanexit.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 20, 2017, 02:54:34 PM
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Would be good if Hourihan could get him signed on a pre nuptual agreement to come in the summer, then that would force Barnsleys hand a bit & reduce them playing hardball games
Well we'd be breaching all sorts of rules if we did that.
Not least the one about not getting married to another team's player.
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 02:58:36 PM
Notwithstanding the ins and outs of the Cleverley deal, Kodj is right he could sign a pre-contract agreement with us. That would leave Barnsley under no illusions of what will happen in the summer. But to be honest I'm not sure how much it would assist and being based on a free transfer may make the agent greedier than the deal to move now. Also, we want him now not in the summer.
I agree with what someone else said earlier. £1m is nothing nowadays, they might as well keep him until his contract runs out (if that fee is correct).
My point was, if Barnsley are asking for a couple of million-ish, then I don't blame them.
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2017, 03:01:58 PM
Bruce seems pretty sure this is a done deal. The boy wants to come so its just haggling over a fee, I presume.
If Bruce is saying that then I hope they've given us permission to speak to him.
O'Leary's idiocy over Beattie was bad enough, it would be ridiculous if we ended up getting done for that twice.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 03:04:50 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
Notwithstanding the ins and outs of the Cleverley deal, Kodj is right he could sign a pre-contract agreement with us. That would leave Barnsley under no illusions of what will happen in the summer. But to be honest I'm not sure how much it would assist and being based on a free transfer may make the agent greedier than the deal to move now. Also, we want him now not in the summer.
I agree with what someone else said earlier. £1m is nothing nowadays, they might as well keep him until his contract runs out (if that fee is correct).
My point was, if Barnsley are asking for a couple of million-ish, then I don't blame them.
Winnall went for 500k to local rivals sheff Wed. Heswas there top striker and goal getter . However himself , houraine, Watkins and the youngster bree all have contract expiring in summer case of get what they can. But also poor to let several have contracts run down . Bree may hold out till summer and none of them would command a big fee because of circumstance.
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 03:11:36 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 20, 2017, 03:24:07 PM
Notwithstanding the ins and outs of the Cleverley deal, Kodj is right he could sign a pre-contract agreement with us. That would leave Barnsley under no illusions of what will happen in the summer. But to be honest I'm not sure how much it would assist and being based on a free transfer may make the agent greedier than the deal to move now. Also, we want him now not in the summer.
The danger there is that if he has a second half of the season that mirrors the first, the likes of Bournemouth or Newcastle (lets face it, they'll be back) might decide he is worth a gamble in the top flight.
Get this one over the line as soon as.
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 03:29:11 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
Post by: darren woolley on January 20, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
Notwithstanding the ins and outs of the Cleverley deal, Kodj is right he could sign a pre-contract agreement with us. That would leave Barnsley under no illusions of what will happen in the summer. But to be honest I'm not sure how much it would assist and being based on a free transfer may make the agent greedier than the deal to move now. Also, we want him now not in the summer.
The danger there is that if he has a second half of the season that mirrors the first, the likes of Bournemouth or Newcastle (lets face it, they'll be back) might decide he is worth a gamble in the top flight.
Get this one over the line as soon as.
This.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 20, 2017, 03:37:54 PM
How would you feel if you read a Man U fan saying something similar when they were trying to sign our best player?They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
When we have paid £750k for a kid Orient let go last year and has only played 6 games since, I really hope we are not haggling over the odd few hundred k here. Would have been nice to have him in the squad tomorrow.
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 03:40:13 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
That's extremely patronising to be honest. We're buying one their best players. They want a fee for him, it's up to us to negotiate with them or pay it.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 20, 2017, 03:44:04 PM
Notwithstanding the ins and outs of the Cleverley deal, Kodj is right he could sign a pre-contract agreement with us. That would leave Barnsley under no illusions of what will happen in the summer. But to be honest I'm not sure how much it would assist and being based on a free transfer may make the agent greedier than the deal to move now. Also, we want him now not in the summer.
Cant you only sign a pre-contract agreement with a club another country?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 03:49:03 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
That's extremely patronising to be honest. We're buying one their best players. They want a fee for him, it's up to us to negotiate with them or pay it.
We 'll pay it no problems. Just like xia says clubs stalling and playing games fans get frustrated. I saying how it is. Sky have villa on frequently and Barnsley are lower popularity and very regional so they are running a far smaller ambition and club than the villa project . Steeped in history and tradition. Anyway I wish them luck for their cup final v Leeds on weekend.
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
That's extremely patronising to be honest. We're buying one their best players. They want a fee for him, it's up to us to negotiate with them or pay it.
We 'll pay it no problems. Just like xia says clubs stalling and playing games fans get frustrated. I saying how it is. Sky have villa on frequently and Barnsley are lower popularity and very regional so they are running a far smaller ambition and club than the villa project . Steeped in history and tradition. Anyway I wish them luck for their cup final v Leeds on weekend.
Of course we'll pay it, and Barnsley have a right to ask for it. You're sounding like one of those cocky arrogant Man Utd fans and it doesn't suit you.
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 04:08:42 PM
Now have to wait for the 3 or 4 signings to play Brentford on 31st !
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 20, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
Notwithstanding the ins and outs of the Cleverley deal, Kodj is right he could sign a pre-contract agreement with us. That would leave Barnsley under no illusions of what will happen in the summer. But to be honest I'm not sure how much it would assist and being based on a free transfer may make the agent greedier than the deal to move now. Also, we want him now not in the summer.
Cant you only sign a pre-contract agreement with a club another country?
yep I think you are correct
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
Notwithstanding the ins and outs of the Cleverley deal, Kodj is right he could sign a pre-contract agreement with us. That would leave Barnsley under no illusions of what will happen in the summer. But to be honest I'm not sure how much it would assist and being based on a free transfer may make the agent greedier than the deal to move now. Also, we want him now not in the summer.
Cant you only sign a pre-contract agreement with a club another country?
Yup.
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 20, 2017, 04:21:03 PM
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2017, 04:22:26 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 20, 2017, 04:24:34 PM
Shirley even we can't balls this up now.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 20, 2017, 04:28:11 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
Codswallop
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 20, 2017, 04:33:33 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
Codswallop
Is that near T'Barnsley?
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
Codswallop
Is that near T'Barnsley?
I think that's what they have oop north with chips.
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 20, 2017, 05:37:33 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 05:43:30 PM
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 20, 2017, 05:55:09 PM
He's already been pulled up for it and he's apologised so how about we leave it there.
Hadn't read previous posts, but glad to hear it.
Post by: nigel on January 20, 2017, 06:03:18 PM
They'll also see us as a club who have already splashed out £50m. They'll try and squeeze as much out of us as they can.
Barnsley are quite frankly a small time club out of depth and lucky to be even in championship. I can name heaps of other clubs in league one bigger than them milwall ,charlton ,sheff utd , bolton even coventry despite plight and league 2 Portsmouth. Bradford are bigger too.
Likes of walsall crewe luton Doncaster Swindon Peterborough are on par or bigger than them. And these clubs would welcome 1 to 3 million.
Barnsley A plucky cup team -Johnstone paint trophy winner merely a club who have to step on . Come on now Barnsley you're playing with the big boys just let the lad go!!!
That's extremely patronising to be honest. We're buying one their best players. They want a fee for him, it's up to us to negotiate with them or pay it.
Agree, Clampy.
What a load of b'lox
Edit: as per Chris, didn't read back posts
Post by: DB on January 20, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 20, 2017, 06:58:24 PM
Post by: damon loves JT on January 20, 2017, 07:04:18 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 07:30:32 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2017, 07:31:30 PM
I like footyskillz. He is man enough to take a rebuke.
Rebukes rawk!
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2017, 07:39:52 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 07:42:13 PM
I like footyskillz. He is man enough to take a rebuke.Happy New year Damon!
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 07:44:12 PM
Is he actually coming?
We all certainly hope so that why was frustrated early as needs must and he can't play now till 31st against Brentford. I hope we get a victory with lansbury and boys tomorrow and then have a run at things with New new players and afcon stars back! utv!
Post by: footyskillz on January 20, 2017, 07:47:01 PM
Aye. Terry Christian, Neil Tennant and John Inman.
Are they the next 3 to come in to Celebrity big brother house.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2017, 09:40:36 PM
Aye. Terry Christian, Neil Tennant and John Inman.
Are they the next 3 to come in to Celebrity big brother house.
I very much doubt it. They are actually celebrities.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 20, 2017, 09:42:31 PM
And one's deadAye. Terry Christian, Neil Tennant and John Inman.
Are they the next 3 to come in to Celebrity big brother house.
I very much doubt it. They are actually celebrities.
Post by: dave shelley on January 20, 2017, 09:43:02 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 09:43:09 PM
Aye. Terry Christian, Neil Tennant and John Inman.
Are they the next 3 to come in to Celebrity big brother house.
I very much doubt it. They are actually celebrities.
Terry Christian has already been on it.
And John Inman is dead. Which i'd imagine will prevent him making an appearance in the Big Brother house. Or anywhere else.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2017, 09:44:15 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 20, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
Just a cameo role or a ghost part.
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 20, 2017, 09:45:30 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2017, 09:48:09 PM
And John Inman's dead.
Oh, so he's not free then.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 20, 2017, 09:50:09 PM
Inman is dead! Was it the curse of 20 fucking 16?2007 apparently.
Post by: TheMalandro on January 21, 2017, 06:29:43 AM
A right footer and a left footer too.
Post by: brian green on January 21, 2017, 08:04:59 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 21, 2017, 09:15:11 AM
H&V in a nutshell.
Post by: jwarry on January 21, 2017, 09:51:31 AM
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 09:57:00 AM
Looking at the YouTube clips I quite like the look of this lad. Has a bit of the Cowans/Cropley about him
I'd say he's more from the Frankie Howard school of comedy myself.
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2017, 10:22:23 AM
Looking at the YouTube clips I quite like the look of this lad. Has a bit of the Cowans/Cropley about him
He looks very good. Worried its all gone quiet on him though
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2017, 10:32:32 AM
Looking at the YouTube clips I quite like the look of this lad. Has a bit of the Cowans/Cropley about him
He and Lansbury actually have compilations of goals they have scored. Imagine that for a minute, a midfielder that scores goals, what a fucking alien concept that seems.
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2017, 10:33:39 AM
Looking at the YouTube clips I quite like the look of this lad. Has a bit of the Cowans/Cropley about him
He looks very good. Worried its all gone quiet on him though
It'll be interesting to see if he plays for them today. I'm not too worried that's we've not heard anything though.
Post by: footyskillz on January 21, 2017, 10:38:08 AM
Looking at the YouTube clips I quite like the look of this lad. Has a bit of the Cowans/Cropley about him
He looks very good. Worried its all gone quiet on him though
It'll be interesting to see if he plays for them today. I'm not too worried that's we've not heard anything though.
As i said he's a hybrid of Delphi/ Adam.
He's actually far better flair technique and passing than Livermore who was 10 million though would have him too as solid player .
Gets a tackle in too!
Glad you like him !
Post by: Pete3206 on January 21, 2017, 11:35:37 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2017, 11:58:30 AM
skillz, have you seen him play in the flesh?
This website is getting fruitier by the day.
Post by: damon loves JT on January 21, 2017, 01:17:12 PM
Post by: passitsideways on January 21, 2017, 01:26:36 PM
Looking at the YouTube clips I quite like the look of this lad. Has a bit of the Cowans/Cropley about him
He looks very good. Worried its all gone quiet on him though
It'll be interesting to see if he plays for them today. I'm not too worried that's we've not heard anything though.
As i said he's a hybrid of Delphi/ Adam.
He's actually far better flair technique and passing than Livermore who was 10 million though would have him too as solid player .
Gets a tackle in too!
Glad you like him !
You could even say he has the foresight to know when and where to pass the ball then
Post by: olaftab on January 21, 2017, 01:31:11 PM
As i said he's a hybrid of Delphi/ Adam.So that's an Orangutan with the back bone missing?
Post by: Steve67 on January 21, 2017, 01:55:28 PM
I now can't stop singing 'You are like Conor Hourihane' in a peculiar Neil Young-type voice while doing the washing up.
Be careful not to wash your phone/iPad!! 👍
Post by: footyskillz on January 21, 2017, 04:15:48 PM
skillz, have you seen him play in the flesh?
Yes but only once on the big stage ! Wembley final last season very impressive as was Fletcher.
Looking forward on the Westwood upgrade!
Post by: footyskillz on January 21, 2017, 04:45:39 PM
Post by: Nastylee on January 21, 2017, 05:18:54 PM
Post by: aev on January 21, 2017, 05:19:41 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 05:21:08 PM
Just watch.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 05:23:26 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 21, 2017, 06:44:50 PM
Post by: Fasth56 on January 21, 2017, 06:44:56 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 21, 2017, 06:48:05 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 21, 2017, 06:52:14 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 06:53:53 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on January 21, 2017, 06:54:39 PM
Does anyone have the full sp on what the exact position with this lad is? Have Barnsley accepted our bid? If, as Pat Murphy has tweeted he wants Villa then I would like to think it must be pretty well nailed on, at least I hope so because he is just what we need. He'd be guaranteed to go straight into the side whereas any move to the top division could see him making up the numbers for a while.
Other teams might take note after that free kick
Barnsley look a really good side
Post by: Dazvillain on January 21, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
He may have wanted to come to us a step up from where he is but there are top prem clubs there watching tonight so it could give doubt . With that in mind it all depends on how much he wants to play football week in week outDoes anyone have the full sp on what the exact position with this lad is? Have Barnsley accepted our bid? If, as Pat Murphy has tweeted he wants Villa then I would like to think it must be pretty well nailed on, at least I hope so because he is just what we need. He'd be guaranteed to go straight into the side whereas any move to the top division could see him making up the numbers for a while.
Other teams might take note after that free kick
Barnsley look a really good side
Post by: Rudy65 on January 21, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
He may have wanted to come to us a step up from where he is but there are top prem clubs there watching tonight so it could give doubt . With that in mind it all depends on how much he wants to play football week in week outDoes anyone have the full sp on what the exact position with this lad is? Have Barnsley accepted our bid? If, as Pat Murphy has tweeted he wants Villa then I would like to think it must be pretty well nailed on, at least I hope so because he is just what we need. He'd be guaranteed to go straight into the side whereas any move to the top division could see him making up the numbers for a while.
Bar the free kick I think some of his team mates have played better tonight. Not to say he isn't decent overall
Other teams might take note after that free kick
Barnsley look a really good side
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2017, 07:17:42 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 21, 2017, 07:20:14 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 07:24:06 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 07:30:05 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 07:31:15 PM
He's coming. He Just said that when a big club with a manager like Steve Bruce comes looking for you it turns your head added to the line 'we'll see what happens next week.'
Post by: KevinGage on January 21, 2017, 07:32:37 PM
Based on tonight, there are seven or eight of that Barnsley side that would walk straight into ours.
Post by: Villafirst on January 21, 2017, 07:33:05 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2017, 07:35:03 PM
Post by: aev on January 21, 2017, 07:45:46 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 21, 2017, 07:47:11 PM
Post by: aev on January 21, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 21, 2017, 07:56:21 PM
What did he say?
He said something along the lines of, "clubs like Villa would always turn your head and we'll see what happens next week."
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 21, 2017, 08:07:24 PM
Let's see if he waves goodbye to the crowd at the end.He seemed to take his time clapping them all.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 08:24:18 PM
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 21, 2017, 08:25:09 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 21, 2017, 08:26:34 PM
Post by: mr underhill on January 21, 2017, 08:27:01 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
Don't do it to yourself lad. We'll turn you to shit.
Or fans like you will.
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 21, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
LukeJames commented very similar to me under my post. Why not quote his?...Don't do it to yourself lad. We'll turn you to shit.
Or fans like you will.
Post by: Ads on January 21, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 21, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
LukeJames commented very similar to me under my post. Why not quote his?...Don't do it to yourself lad. We'll turn you to shit.
Or fans like you will.
I'd love to have been in the trenches with you!
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 21, 2017, 08:59:41 PM
Nothing against you, but Clampy and a few others on here comment on everything I post. I post about support after games as it's a big part of the game and the matchday and it's like crime of the century.LukeJames commented very similar to me under my post. Why not quote his?...Don't do it to yourself lad. We'll turn you to shit.
Or fans like you will.
I'd love to have been in the trenches with you!
Post by: Ads on January 21, 2017, 09:00:56 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2017, 09:13:06 PM
Nothing against you, but Clampy and a few others on here comment on everything I post. I post about support after games as it's a big part of the game and the matchday and it's like crime of the century.LukeJames commented very similar to me under my post. Why not quote his?...Don't do it to yourself lad. We'll turn you to shit.
Or fans like you will.
I'd love to have been in the trenches with you!
Maybe if you wasn't so bloody repetitive, people wouldn't pick on your posts.
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 21, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
Sorry bab :-*Nothing against you, but Clampy and a few others on here comment on everything I post. I post about support after games as it's a big part of the game and the matchday and it's like crime of the century.LukeJames commented very similar to me under my post. Why not quote his?...Don't do it to yourself lad. We'll turn you to shit.
Or fans like you will.
I'd love to have been in the trenches with you!
Maybe if you wasn't so bloody repetitive, people wouldn't pick on your posts.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 09:50:47 PM
He's a good-looking fella too, we've been an ugly lot since Lauren and Mellberg left.Ahah. So it is you who is the alter-ego of footyskillz then ! PS I think he is ugly and well suited to join ugly SB's C&B Army.
and neither his beard, nor his hair is anywhere near good enough now Lansbury has set the new standard.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 09:52:38 PM
He's coming. He Just said that when a big club with a manager like Steve Bruce comes looking for you it turns your head.Yes this was pretty much a " Steve Bruce likes me and now I have added £5k per week to my wage demands....so pay up "
Post by: chrisw1 on January 21, 2017, 11:15:06 PM
I hope we are haggling over a few hundred thousand. We'd be stupid not to.
Still feel the same?
He may still come but if we really wanted him I wish we had done it last week. We may also have been two points better off.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2017, 11:32:26 PM
I hope we are haggling over a few hundred thousand. We'd be stupid not to.
Still feel the same?
He may still come but if we really wanted him I wish we had done it last week. We may also have been two points better off.
So you are suggesting that just because he scored today we should have just emptied our wallet? That's not really how it works is it. The fact that we are after him is because of stuff like today. It's not like he elevated himself that much higher than what our scouts would have already identified. And while he looks a very good prospect frankly most of us hadn't even heard of him 10 days ago.
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2017, 11:37:07 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 21, 2017, 11:48:21 PM
Dunno TV, he's been one of the best players in this division all season so think he's been on a lot of wanted lists for a while. I also think the prove went up 500k for anyone today. With rumours Sheffield Wednesday have offered 2.5m, i think we may have to pay similar to what we did for Lansbury. It wold be well worth it.
Fee was agreed according to Yorkshire Post - Double deal with their defender complicating matters. Should be done early next week.
Post by: TheMalandro on January 21, 2017, 11:49:47 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2017, 12:03:17 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2017, 12:56:49 AM
I hope we are haggling over a few hundred thousand. We'd be stupid not to.
Still feel the same?
He may still come but if we really wanted him I wish we had done it last week. We may also have been two points better off.
Yes.
We may ave won. Or still drawn. Or we may have lost. We'll never know.
I do know though that we should try and save money on every transfer if possible, even if we're prepared to pay the asking price. It's just basic common sense, something we as a club have been lacking in for far too long.
Post by: Matt Collins on January 22, 2017, 08:04:49 AM
Which after the Lerner years is fairly extraordinary
Post by: villabear on January 22, 2017, 08:27:54 AM
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2017, 08:33:37 AM
Hourihane is a good player going for a song in comparison to some of the fees swirling about. It's worth flexing your muscle to take Sheffield Wednesday put of the equation who cannot perhaps afford a 5 million four year deal.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 08:46:58 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2017, 09:21:58 AM
The club should be looking to get the best deal it can. Sometimes the best deal might be paying a little bit more, sometimes not.
Hourihane is a good player going for a song in comparison to some of the fees swirling about. It's worth flexing your muscle to take Sheffield Wednesday put of the equation who cannot perhaps afford a 5 million four year deal.
Agreed. It depends on your market, but if it means paying the extra 500k on Hourihane when he's costing a small amount anyway you do it, if he continues his form he will be a snip.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 09:37:24 AM
The club should be looking to get the best deal it can. Sometimes the best deal might be paying a little bit more, sometimes not.
Hourihane is a good player going for a song in comparison to some of the fees swirling about. It's worth flexing your muscle to take Sheffield Wednesday put of the equation who cannot perhaps afford a 5 million four year deal.
Agreed. It depends on your market, but if it means paying the extra 500k on Hourihane when he's costing a small amount anyway you do it, if he continues his form he will be a snip.
All the suggestions have been that the hold up is at Barnsley's end and not the haggling over the fee. The Dr tweeted that clubs were dragging things out so as to enable the players to play as many games for them, before the inevitable transfer. This is exactly what has happened with Hourihane.
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
Post by: mr underhill on January 22, 2017, 10:15:55 AM
Post by: in exile on January 22, 2017, 10:47:12 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 22, 2017, 01:00:21 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 22, 2017, 01:03:29 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 22, 2017, 01:16:06 PM
I am 100% for this signing but removing myself from the bubble why would any non connected player want to sign for us right at the moment
Because it's what he does to make a living not his hobby, and we'd be offering a considerable wage rise and a move to an organisation that long term has much more potential than his current employers. He'd also be working for a manager widely respected in the game.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2017, 01:41:42 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 22, 2017, 02:39:36 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on January 22, 2017, 02:44:55 PM
I am 100% for this signing but removing myself from the bubble why would any non connected player want to sign for us right at the moment
More money
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2017, 03:35:23 PM
I've been told!
You're a very naughty boy.
Post by: footyskillz on January 22, 2017, 03:54:35 PM
I am 100% for this signing but removing myself from the bubble why would any non connected player want to sign for us right at the momentCome on now. Money. Is a factor. I don't want to break any romantic notions so add in the tradition and size of Aston villa.
My question now!
Why would he follow Xia and xia follow him on Twitter if Conor wasn't coming its when not if!
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 22, 2017, 03:59:51 PM
Who mentioned Twix?
Didn't hear was just a whisper ...
Here we go again!
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 04:01:42 PM
Who mentioned Twix?
Didn't hear was just a whisper ...
Here we go again!
Either way, he'd certainly give our midfield a boost.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 22, 2017, 04:10:20 PM
Who mentioned Twix?
Didn't hear was just a whisper ...
Here we go again!
Either way, he'd certainly give our midfield a boost.
It's a shame there's a bounty on McCormack's head. Hourihane would certainly link up well with him. The fee quoted is merely buttons, too. He'd be a revel ation for us. He's coming. Especially now he's changed his Twitter background to a lion.
Post by: footyskillz on January 22, 2017, 04:16:22 PM
Who mentioned Twix?
Didn't hear was just a whisper ...
Here we go again!
Either way, he'd certainly give our midfield a boost.
It's a shame there's a bounty on McCormack's head. Hourihane would certainly link up well with him. The fee quoted is merely buttons, too. He'd be a revel ation for us. He's coming. Especially now he's changed his Twitter background to a lion.
I should coco
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2017, 04:20:22 PM
I've been told!
Only fools rush in, only fools rush in.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 22, 2017, 04:26:58 PM
I see he's recently started following a well known Chinese businessman on twitter, too.
Yep mentioned a couple of pages back that they began a mutual Twitter romance. And young Conor has already admitted publicly that the glances cast across the dance floor by the good looking Doc have "turned his head".
Post by: peter w on January 22, 2017, 04:28:03 PM
DONE.
That's it. We're all done. No more to mention. The pun fest is FINISHED. Kaput.
Back to Hourihane or rolo -poly McCormack.
Post by: KRS on January 22, 2017, 04:32:41 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on January 22, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
That's proper Quality Street PW...you deserve a tin of Roses.
I was going to mention that an ITK told me to expect some news tomorrow morning, he said any time after eight.
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 22, 2017, 04:38:25 PM
Right, boost, wispa, twix, mars, raider, turkish delight, chomp, crunchie, dairy milk, double decker, drifter, aero, fruit & nut, yorkie, curly wurly, toffee and all its manifestations, caramac,buttons, milky bar, lindt, lindor, ferrero rochet, milky way, galaxy, dime, bluebird, nougat, marshmallows, poppets, smarties, M&ms, after 8s, twirl, marathons, snickers, dido, maltesers, hersheys, bournville chocolate, revels, cadbury orange, freddos, chocolate mice, fudge, coffee creams, strawberry chocolate, trio, penguin, blue riband, viscount, flake, picnic, star bar, lion bar, topic.
DONE.
That's it. We're all done. No more to mention. The pun fest is FINISHED. Kaput.
Back to Hourihane or rolo -poly McCormack.
Kit Kat. Fucking Kit Kat!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 22, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
Right, boost, wispa, twix, mars, raider, turkish delight, chomp, crunchie, dairy milk, double decker, drifter, aero, fruit & nut, yorkie, curly wurly, toffee and all its manifestations, caramac,buttons, milky bar, lindt, lindor, ferrero rochet, milky way, galaxy, dime, bluebird, nougat, marshmallows, poppets, smarties, M&ms, after 8s, twirl, marathons, snickers, dido, maltesers, hersheys, bournville chocolate, revels, cadbury orange, freddos, chocolate mice, fudge, coffee creams, strawberry chocolate, trio, penguin, blue riband, viscount, flake, picnic, star bar, lion bar, topic.
DONE.
That's it. We're all done. No more to mention. The pun fest is FINISHED. Kaput.
Back to Hourihane or rolo -poly McCormack.
Depends which one can Walnut whip a better ball in.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 22, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
Post by: newryvillain on January 22, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
I liked them.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 22, 2017, 04:55:14 PM
Not sure about coasters, but reminded me of a Tasters, like little balls of Dairy Milk.
I liked them.
my bad , I think that was what I was thinking of . thanks
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2017, 05:34:57 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
Post by: peter w on January 22, 2017, 06:34:29 PM
Right, boost, wispa, twix, mars, raider, turkish delight, chomp, crunchie, dairy milk, double decker, drifter, aero, fruit & nut, yorkie, curly wurly, toffee and all its manifestations, caramac,buttons, milky bar, lindt, lindor, ferrero rochet, milky way, galaxy, dime, bluebird, nougat, marshmallows, poppets, smarties, M&ms, after 8s, twirl, marathons, snickers, dido, maltesers, hersheys, bournville chocolate, revels, cadbury orange, freddos, chocolate mice, fudge, coffee creams, strawberry chocolate, trio, penguin, blue riband, viscount, flake, picnic, star bar, lion bar, topic.
DONE.
That's it. We're all done. No more to mention. The pun fest is FINISHED. Kaput.
Back to Hourihane or rolo -poly McCormack.
Kit Kat. Fucking Kit Kat!
Ah, balls.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
Post by: gnrpoison on January 22, 2017, 06:56:08 PM
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2017, 06:58:09 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on January 22, 2017, 07:01:14 PM
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 07:02:33 PM
Nixon suggesting that what we're paying him has put everybody else off.
Well it will be a damn sight more than £30k then, surely?
There are plenty in the division on more than that-I'd imagine a PL side would go in with at least £30k, probably a lot more.
Post by: CJ on January 22, 2017, 07:03:47 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2017, 07:03:52 PM
Nixon suggesting that what we're paying him has put everybody else off.
Hmm, is our prestige and the thought of his mucker Bree joining him not enough? I guess if we were even six points better off we wouldn't have to be racking up the wage bill so much with the new signings.
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2017, 07:38:18 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 08:32:08 PM
How sad that we see our way forward from buying up Barnsley..........OMG.
Whatever happened to Crewe and Sheffield Utd rezzers ?
Post by: Steve67 on January 22, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
That would be like becoming Barnsleys Reserves on treble wages, wouldn't it ?
How sad that we see our way forward from buying up Barnsley..........OMG.
Whatever happened to Crewe and Sheffield Utd rezzers ?
I seem to recall Villa buying some bloke from Burnley way back, oh, and a journeyman centre forward and a couple of Scottish chaps from not Celtic or Rangers. You never know, it just might work again.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 22, 2017, 10:45:55 PM
That would be like becoming Barnsleys Reserves on treble wages, wouldn't it ?
How sad that we see our way forward from buying up Barnsley..........OMG.
Whatever happened to Crewe and Sheffield Utd rezzers ?
No, because we're not buying reserve players, are we? We're buying two of their best players. Who gives a stuff where players come from as long as they are good players.
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2017, 07:21:18 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 23, 2017, 08:58:51 AM
Our best signings last summer were an Albion reserve, a Middlesbrough squad player and a Bristol City player. 2 lads from Barnsley could be inspired. We need players that will perform in this division. By that token if Hourihane signs, we are buying statistically the best midfielder in the league this season. Just a shame there is not a similar forward. Have West Ham bought Hogan yet from Brentford?
Hogan was left out at the weekend but I think he is out of our price range
Post by: peter w on January 23, 2017, 10:23:11 AM
Post by: mr underhill on January 23, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 23, 2017, 01:14:20 PM
That would be like becoming Barnsleys Reserves on treble wages, wouldn't it ?
How sad that we see our way forward from buying up Barnsley..........OMG.
Whatever happened to Crewe and Sheffield Utd rezzers ?
head in hands ... ::)
Post by: Oscar Arce on January 23, 2017, 01:22:17 PM
He's on an upward curve in his career and would be perfect for us.
Post by: Mostinho II on January 23, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
Post by: Singapore Villa on January 23, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
Slash... I agree with you mate! Fingers crossed.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 23, 2017, 01:56:22 PM
That would be like becoming Barnsleys Reserves on treble wages, wouldn't it ?
How sad that we see our way forward from buying up Barnsley..........OMG.
Whatever happened to Crewe and Sheffield Utd rezzers ?
No, because we're not buying reserve players, are we? We're buying two of their best players. Who gives a stuff where players come from as long as they are good players.
Platt from Crewe, Yorke off the beach, more recently Benteke from wherever the hell that was and Kodjia from Bristol City.
Other clubs, Kante from Caen, Vardy from Fleetwood and Dele Ali from MK Dons. I could go on.
Post by: Dave P on January 23, 2017, 03:07:36 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 23, 2017, 04:29:25 PM
Hourihane may be close to signing but he has been pictured go karting with the Barnsley squad this afternoonMedical tonight though so Karting in the day wouldn't be an issue
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2017, 04:30:52 PM
Hourihane may be close to signing but he has been pictured go karting with the Barnsley squad this afternoonMedical tonight though so Karting in the day wouldn't be an issue
It will be if he fucks himself coming around a hairpin bend.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 23, 2017, 04:54:17 PM
That would be quite a feat;-)Hourihane may be close to signing but he has been pictured go karting with the Barnsley squad this afternoonMedical tonight though so Karting in the day wouldn't be an issue
It will be if he fucks himself coming around a hairpin bend.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2017, 04:54:38 PM
Post by: Ads on January 23, 2017, 04:59:06 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 23, 2017, 04:59:42 PM
That Twitter bloke, Villa transfers, has said he is listed for a medical tonight and Bree tomorrow.
And he has been 100% so far.
Post by: Ads on January 23, 2017, 05:03:16 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 23, 2017, 05:04:10 PM
Called a leaving do !!
He's coming already!
This is the chant!
"And here's to you Conor hourihane villa love you more than you know "
He follow Dr xia on Twitter and all the other hard pork evidence means it's just agreeing everything. I have to say I'm very excited by this imminent move.
I bet he wins at go karting too the guys a boss
Can we change thread title "and here's to you Conor hourihane once it's official . "
He seduced us all
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2017, 05:17:04 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2017, 05:18:14 PM
Quote from: Mark E. Smith
Go karting??
Called a leaving do !!
He's coming already!
This is the chant!
"And here's to you Conor hourihane villa love you more than you know "
He follow Dr xia on Twitter and all the other hard pork evidence means it's just agreeing everything. I have to say I'm very excited by this imminent move.
I bet he wins at go karting too the guys a boss
Can we change thread title "and here's to you Conor hourihane once it's official . "
He seduced us all
Mark E Smith's lyrics are getting weirder and weirder as he ages.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 23, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
I hate it when I'm out of the loop on new slang.
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 23, 2017, 05:45:37 PM
He means the phone lines are crackling.
Damn you Brian, just about to say crackling signing
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2017, 05:46:06 PM
He means the phone lines are crackling.Let's hope it's not just another snout in the trough.
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2017, 05:46:50 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 23, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 23, 2017, 06:00:39 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 23, 2017, 06:01:28 PM
I hope we sign him. Purely for the fact that I would like to sing "here I am, rock you like a Hourihane!" a la 80's rock band 'The Scorpions'.
Ahem.......
How do we pronounce Hourihane anyway ?
Is it "Hour" or "Who" and is it "Han" or "Haine" ?
The latter and the former respectively. No links to Luke that we know of.
I was thinking more in terms of a Scorpions "Rock You Like a Hourihane" song.
I doubt that even the Holte End could could cope with a Luke based chant.
....... having said that "Unsolved Mid-Fielder" could work ;)
......and why are you calling The Scorpions an 80s band? They're still going strong.
Post by: berneboy on January 23, 2017, 06:02:21 PM
That Twitter bloke, Villa transfers, has said he is listed for a medical tonight and Bree tomorrow.
He/she now tweets:
It's changed!! James Bree Tonight, Conor Hourihane tomorrow morning - both in next 36 hours - superb business either way! Welcome To #AVFC
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 23, 2017, 06:07:04 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2017, 06:07:13 PM
Barnsley fans on twitter were quoting footyskils yesterday about them being a small club. They were not happy.
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2017, 06:13:04 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 23, 2017, 06:33:25 PM
Footyskillz is endlessly quotable in fairness. Glenn Peen has been usurped.
I envisage him as the pastor from Coming to America.
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2017, 06:33:25 PM
Most excited i have been about a new signing in a long time this one. Something about midfielders with good left feet. Bit like a left arm fast bowler, just good to watch.
Barnsley fans on twitter were quoting footyskils yesterday about them being a small club. They were not happy.
Thanks for that, Yoda.
Post by: footyskillz on January 23, 2017, 06:33:48 PM
And I have to stand by and say villa are bigger than barnsley and I do feel Bolton Sheff Utd milwall Charlton to name a few are bigger clubs. I apologise if I sounded belittling to Barnsley football club facts are players want to play for the villa Conor hooray said it himself .
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2017, 06:37:28 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 23, 2017, 06:39:08 PM
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2017, 06:42:17 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 23, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
My respectful image of footy is Griffin in Men in Black3. A perpetually anxious clairvoyant. Hard pork indeed.
I have deleted lots of jokes I was going to make about hard pork.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 23, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 23, 2017, 09:04:33 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 23, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Bree nearly done but there's a hold up in the Hourihane deal apparantly. Hopefully not a last minute bid from a Premier League team.
Link please.
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 23, 2017, 09:11:04 PM
The Twitter fella again, Villa Transfers. Says it shouldn't be a deal breaker but there is a hold up.Bree nearly done but there's a hold up in the Hourihane deal apparantly. Hopefully not a last minute bid from a Premier League team.
Link please.
Post by: dave shelley on January 23, 2017, 09:13:52 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2017, 09:14:41 PM
He gets stuck in. Can take a set piece. Act as a playmaker. Has a left foot. What's not to like?Just checked and believe it or not I also have a left foot, I get stuck in if there is a free buffet, act as a good playmaker at charades and can take on a set piece of trifle no problem.
Post by: dave shelley on January 23, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
Hourihane deal is not off, stop panicking villa fans......Bree just got over the line first, things change at times, I expect CH to come
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2017, 09:20:51 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:21:24 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:22:14 PM
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 23, 2017, 09:22:51 PM
The Twitter fella again, Villa Transfers. Says it shouldn't be a deal breaker but there is a hold up.Bree nearly done but there's a hold up in the Hourihane deal apparantly. Hopefully not a last minute bid from a Premier League team.
Link please.
Hopefully, he/she is just being a drama queen.
I can't imagine an issue arising at this time of night, other than if it happened hours earlier and only just filtered through.
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 23, 2017, 09:22:57 PM
I don't do Twitter but had a squint into this Villatransfers account and saw this:Yeah he just tweeted that as after he put the other tweet he got bombarded by Villa fans asking him if the deal was off ;D
Hourihane deal is not off, stop panicking villa fans......Bree just got over the line first, things change at times, I expect CH to come
Post by: cdward on January 23, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
Bree nearly done but there's a hold up in the Hourihane deal apparantly. Hopefully not a last minute bid from a Premier League team.
gate problem?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 23, 2017, 09:27:14 PM
Maybe the Bree deal will go down to the wire...................
Said on Twitter it was stilton.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:37:06 PM
Bree on the right, Camembert on the left, now all we need is a good Gorgonzolakeeper and the back 3's sorted.Maybe the Bree deal will go down to the wire...................
Said on Twitter it was stilton.
Post by: Chris87 on January 23, 2017, 09:40:19 PM
Bree on the right, Camembert on the left, now all we need is a good Gorgonzolakeeper and the back 3's sorted.Maybe the Bree deal will go down to the wire...................
Said on Twitter it was stilton.
We have a Baker. If all else fails we can make a nice cheese sandwich!
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 23, 2017, 10:04:13 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 23, 2017, 10:13:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C23S2CkXgAMkk68?format=jpg&name=large)
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 23, 2017, 10:13:57 PM
You pronounce hourihaine like the song misses Robin-saine !
And I have to stand by and say villa are bigger than barnsley and I do feel Bolton Sheff Utd milwall Charlton to name a few are bigger clubs. I apologise if I sounded belittling to Barnsley football club facts are players want to play for the villa Conor hooray said it himself .
Any Barnsley fans having a look on here, please note he isn't all Villa supporters. Any Millwall supporters, he definitely isn't.
Post by: Villafirst on January 23, 2017, 10:17:02 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2017, 10:18:29 PM
As someone mentioned on Twitter, this was probably the last time Villa signed two players from the same club
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C23S2CkXgAMkk68?format=jpg&name=large)
well now I wont sleep :-\
Post by: dave shelley on January 23, 2017, 10:20:22 PM
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 23, 2017, 10:22:45 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2017, 10:30:15 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2017, 10:36:12 PM
How come on 'Deadline Day' bids are made at ten to midnight and the player is signed at 11.59pm?
They put yellow stickers on the players and their price is halved.
Post by: peter w on January 24, 2017, 05:22:22 AM
Go karting??
Called a leaving do !!
He's coming already!
This is the chant!
"And here's to you Conor hourihane villa love you more than you know "
He follow Dr xia on Twitter and all the other hard pork evidence means it's just agreeing everything. I have to say I'm very excited by this imminent move.
I bet he wins at go karting too the guys a boss
Can we change thread title "and here's to you Conor hourihane once it's official . "
He seduced us all
second line could go something like:
He came with Bree Conor hourihane and not the French cheese oh no no no no no no
Post by: KevinGage on January 24, 2017, 07:28:50 AM
Post by: mattjpa on January 24, 2017, 07:44:45 AM
Matron
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2017, 07:56:38 AM
Footyskillz is endlessly quotable in fairness. Glenn Peen has been usurped.
I envisage him as the pastor from Coming to America.
Now I see him more as Randy Watson:
"I believe Jay Spearing is our future......"
Post by: lovejoy on January 24, 2017, 08:17:27 AM
Post by: Richard E on January 24, 2017, 08:31:03 AM
"I believe Jay Spearing is our future......"
"...teach him well and let him lead the way. Show him all the beauty we possess inside..."
Post by: themossman on January 24, 2017, 08:33:40 AM
Post by: footyskillz on January 24, 2017, 08:34:05 AM
I think the terminator music should be played at unveiling
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2017, 08:36:13 AM
Not strictly relevant to the discussion but every time I hum that tune it morphs into mis-shapes by Pulp.
I hope we're making a move and making it now.
Post by: footyskillz on January 24, 2017, 08:44:18 AM
Footy getting seduced by Hourihanes hard pork, ey?
Matron
It's the way he plays with the ball
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 24, 2017, 08:56:07 AM
Post by: Havencheese on January 24, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
Pat Murphy has tweeted that Barnsley don't have a chief executive which is causing the delay. He also said that Premier League clubs are still circling him aswell.
I smell bullshit coming from the general direction of South Yorkshire.
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2017, 09:07:09 AM
Post by: Singapore Villa on January 24, 2017, 09:30:13 AM
To be fair, if he is good enough for us then he is probably good enough for the likes of Swansea or Sunderland or Palace.
[/quotTo be fair, if he is good enough for us then he is probably good enough for the likes of Swansea or Sunderland or Palace.To be fair, if he is good enough for us then he is probably good enough for the likes of Swansea or Sunderland or Palace.
Whilst I completely agree, just shows how far our stock has fallen in the last couple of years.
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
Post by: He wears a magic hat on January 24, 2017, 09:45:27 AM
Pat Murphy has tweeted that Barnsley don't have a chief executive which is causing the delay. He also said that Premier League clubs are still circling him aswell.
So they have a chief executive available to complete the Bree deal but not for Hourihane.
Really what shit reporting
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2017, 09:55:26 AM
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on January 24, 2017, 10:19:50 AM
Pat has made a bit of a fool of himself this morning it seems. He tweeted that there was no late night medical for Bree last night and none planned for today. An hour later, Bree is having his photo taken in the club shirt.I remember Murphy saying Kodja's transfer was dead in the water...he was announced as a Villa player 3 hours later. Personally the fella should stick to Cricket.
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2017, 10:36:34 AM
Post by: themossman on January 24, 2017, 10:37:45 AM
Not strictly relevant to the discussion but every time I hum that tune it morphs into mis-shapes by Pulp.
I hope we're making a move and making it now.
Haha you're not helping. In case of interest my version goes like this:
I believe the children are our are future/
Teach them well and let them lead the way/
Show them all the beauty they possess insiaaaaa-yeah/
We want your homes, we want your lives/
We want the things you won't allow us/
We won't use guns, we won't use bombs, etc.
Repeat until insane.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 24, 2017, 10:39:33 AM
He's a professional cynic but his heart's not in it.
I also think he tweets to justify his existence in modern media
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2017, 10:46:53 AM
He's a professional cynic but his heart's not in it.
I also think he tweets to justify his existence in modern media
I understand that he lives in a substantial rural dwelling
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2017, 10:52:30 AM
He's a professional cynic but his heart's not in it.
I also think he tweets to justify his existence in modern media
I understand that he lives in a substantial rural dwelling
Here's hoping the electric gates work.
Post by: Eckybloke on January 24, 2017, 10:59:12 AM
He's a professional cynic but his heart's not in it.
I also think he tweets to justify his existence in modern media
I understand that he lives in a substantial rural dwelling
That makes me so sad but I don't know why.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 24, 2017, 11:01:40 AM
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
Pat has made a bit of a fool of himself this morning it seems. He tweeted that there was no late night medical for Bree last night and none planned for today. An hour later, Bree is having his photo taken in the club shirt.
He's now having a right strop and taking his ball home! Hilarious, the silly arse.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
Pat has made a bit of a fool of himself this morning it seems. He tweeted that there was no late night medical for Bree last night and none planned for today. An hour later, Bree is having his photo taken in the club shirt.
He's now having a right strop and taking his ball home! Hilarious, the silly arse.
On twitter?
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2017, 12:11:07 PM
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2017, 12:20:28 PM
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 24, 2017, 12:25:04 PM
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 24, 2017, 12:50:43 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 24, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
How can we sign Bree if they don't have a cho but not Hourihane?
Hourihane transaction is probably above the deputy CEOs pay grade.
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2017, 12:57:37 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 24, 2017, 01:31:39 PM
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 24, 2017, 01:36:49 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 24, 2017, 01:39:56 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 24, 2017, 01:40:30 PM
This Hourihane signing is like waiting for a Commodore 64 game to load - have we reached 96% yet?
As long as the screen doesn't go blank and it reset to the boot up screen.
Post by: LeeS on January 24, 2017, 02:26:33 PM
This Hourihane signing is like waiting for a Commodore 64 game to load - have we reached 96% yet?
As long as the screen doesn't go blank and it reset to the boot up screen.
I think this one has reached the "pause of death". You know deep down that it isn't going to load but you keep watching the screen anyway.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2017, 02:30:25 PM
Post by: godzvilla on January 24, 2017, 02:33:49 PM
This Hourihane signing is like waiting for a Commodore 64 game to load - have we reached 96% yet?
As long as the screen doesn't go blank and it reset to the boot up screen.
Apparently the hold up is due to the fact that Barnsley's chief executive, has just left the Club , this has complicated both deals, although Bree signed today ( at least he's ' in the shirt ' !)....according to the Head Cheese at Villa Park.
Another hiccup is that Plymouth Argyle are due a proportion of Villa's fee to Barnsley, cue more negotiotions .
Worringly, for us ...the delay could alert a number of Premier League clubs, but the ball is in Barnsley's court.............Godzvilla!
Post by: aev on January 24, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
Post by: Des Little on January 24, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2017, 03:18:29 PM
Let's be honest, it's going to be a lot more fun playing for high-flying, over-achieving Barnsley for the next few months than for our sorry bunch of misfits.
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 24, 2017, 03:35:27 PM
Can everyone keep still and keep your mobile phones away from the cassette player.This Hourihane signing is like waiting for a Commodore 64 game to load - have we reached 96% yet?
As long as the screen doesn't go blank and it reset to the boot up screen.
I think this one has reached the "pause of death". You know deep down that it isn't going to load but you keep watching the screen anyway.
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 24, 2017, 03:41:15 PM
If any Prem clubs weren't aware of such a decent player being out of contract in the summer and therefore available for pennies now, they must be run along the same lines as we were under Tom the Twat.Or perhaps they are not interested in a player who was released by Ipswich without ever playing a first team game, spent most of his career at League 2 Plymouth, and despite playing for Repub Ireland U19 and U12, has not been called up for the first team.
Post by: darren woolley on January 24, 2017, 03:47:20 PM
Post by: sid1964 on January 24, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2017, 04:14:49 PM
If any Prem clubs weren't aware of such a decent player being out of contract in the summer and therefore available for pennies now, they must be run along the same lines as we were under Tom the Twat.Or perhaps they are not interested in a player who was released by Ipswich without ever playing a first team game, spent most of his career at League 2 Plymouth, and despite playing for Repub Ireland U19 and U12, has not been called up for the first team.
Agreed, he's crap. Let's move on to more proven targets.
Post by: Lsvilla on January 24, 2017, 04:29:23 PM
Post by: mr underhill on January 24, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2017, 06:03:45 PM
Why would not having a CEO hinder the cH deal but not the one for Bree?
good point
maybe its the Plymouth thing or Barnsley did not want the Westwood swap :)
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2017, 06:08:27 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 24, 2017, 08:33:12 PM
Why would not having a CEO hinder the cH deal but not the one for Bree?
good point
maybe its the Plymouth thing or Barnsley did not want the Westwood swap :)
Oh crikey, yes.
I forgot we could do that sort of thing. Are you sure anybody would want ANY of our players ( excluding Angela of course )
Oh poo now it's happening. AV mentioned twice and on comes Kodjia (plus bandage) to replace Wilfried Zaha !!
Post by: Villafirst on January 24, 2017, 09:25:44 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 24, 2017, 09:27:57 PM
Whatever happened to the nervous wait for the actual newspaper to be delivered?
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2017, 09:31:26 PM
Agents fees is the gold up.Agents always drink from the gold cup...bastards.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 24, 2017, 09:35:00 PM
Or is that top secret ?
[to avoid Dexter Blackstock ever getting on it ]
Post by: footyskillz on January 24, 2017, 09:44:08 PM
Isn't there ....or shouldn't there be... a list of Agents who represent which players ?
Or is that top secret ?
[to avoid Dexter Blackstock ever getting on it ]
Conor has same agent as Sam Johnstone and Jordan Rhodes . Bruce gets players from there.
Gardner brothers too have same agency .
So ya know.
Post by: footyskillz on January 24, 2017, 09:46:15 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 24, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
Isn't there ....or shouldn't there be... a list of Agents who represent which players ?
Or is that top secret ?
[to avoid Dexter Blackstock ever getting on it ]
Lots of the player agents or agencies are listed on Transfermarkt.
This potential target is represented by a group called "Relatives" (I assume they aren't his actual relatives as they seem to represent hundreds of players).
http://tinyurl.com/hldybea
Post by: Nelson Lodge on January 25, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
Crystal Palace !
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
At 9-02 am this morning Sky Transfer Centre have him at number 9 in their top 10 Whisper board for s transfer to .....................
Crystal Palace !
I think the clue is in the words whispers and sky sports, lets not panic
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2017, 09:58:41 AM
At 9-02 am this morning Sky Transfer Centre have him at number 9 in their top 10 Whisper board for s transfer to .....................
Crystal Palace !
What the fuck is a whispers board?
Post by: peter w on January 25, 2017, 10:07:12 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 25, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 25, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
At 9-02 am this morning Sky Transfer Centre have him at number 9 in their top 10 Whisper board for s transfer to .....................
Crystal Palace !
What the fuck is a whispers board?
(http://e1.365dm.com/16/06/16-9/20/football-whispers-algorithm-explanation_3484480.jpg?20160615144435)
....alternatively
(http://www.danvaroy.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Sailing-test-the-wind.jpg)
Post by: mr underhill on January 25, 2017, 11:20:54 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 25, 2017, 11:24:29 AM
The longer this drags on the more likely it is that he's going somewhere else
It's only dragged on more or less the same amount of time that the Bree deal has.
Post by: avfcpg on January 25, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
"Someone's just messaged me who says he knows Hourihanes family . Says this is boloxs and Hourihane is a done deal to Villa . Reckons announcement in next couple of hours"
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 01:06:34 PM
Post by: godzvilla on January 25, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
"Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of Barnsley midfielder Conor Hourihane for a fee believed to be in the region of £1.25million.
Hourihane will sign what is believed to be a four and a half year deal and becomes the club's latest signing in the transfer window"
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 01:16:42 PM
Getting fretful when BB gets in the news first.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 25, 2017, 01:21:30 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
Anyway, I just realised CH comes AFTER BB........
Post by: Nelson Lodge on January 25, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
At 9-02 am this morning Sky Transfer Centre have him at number 9 in their top 10 Whisper board for s transfer to .....................
Crystal Palace !
I think the clue is in the words whispers and sky sports, lets not panic
So it should be retitled "Careless Whispers" then ! :)
Question that now springs to mind is the signing of the Icelandic BB the back up plan as the club think the CH deal is going belly up ?
Post by: sid1964 on January 25, 2017, 03:28:39 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2017, 03:30:13 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 25, 2017, 03:34:20 PM
From the 'Meaning Evil'....1.25 mil sounds incredibly cheap..............Godzvilla!
"Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of Barnsley midfielder Conor Hourihane for a fee believed to be in the region of £1.25million.
Hourihane will sign what is believed to be a four and a half year deal and becomes the club's latest signing in the transfer window"
Feel a bit sorry for Plymouth if they were on a percentage. They lose out because his contract had been run down.
Post by: Villafirst on January 25, 2017, 03:38:59 PM
Post by: manic-road on January 25, 2017, 04:31:42 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on January 25, 2017, 04:34:43 PM
What's the word from Villatransfers on Twitter?. Usually pretty accurate. Seems to be dragging after Tony's 99% tweet?Said the following about 20 mins ago:
still expecting Hourihane today, even if it is tomorrow - he will be a villa player. I hope it's done today people are panicking as it is
Post by: berneboy on January 25, 2017, 04:34:45 PM
What's the word from Villatransfers on Twitter?. Usually pretty accurate. Seems to be dragging after Tony's 99% tweet?
He says:
still expecting Hourihane today, even if it is tomorrow - he will be a villa player. I hope it's done today people are panicking as it is
Post by: berneboy on January 25, 2017, 04:35:44 PM
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 25, 2017, 04:54:17 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2017, 04:55:49 PM
Post by: onje_villa on January 25, 2017, 05:29:53 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 25, 2017, 05:31:47 PM
Matty James has joined Barnsley on loan, i wonder if that's been the hold up.
It has.
Post by: footyskillz on January 25, 2017, 05:36:16 PM
Matty James has joined Barnsley on loan, i wonder if that's been the hold up.
It has.
Barnsley gaffer has said :
"we've seen one midfielder depart this week, but conversely we’ve brought in another who is hugely experienced and talented, so I’m delighted that we’ve got the deal done."
That's Conor hourihane out Matty James in.
Suitable replacement for them . Good loan option
Post by: mr underhill on January 25, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 25, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
I've tried to find somewhere on the net but am drawing a blank. Anyone know of any others?
Post by: PeterWithe on January 25, 2017, 06:26:35 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 25, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
In all honesty if he has the choice to play for Palace in the Premier League rather than us, I am sure he would take it!You mean sit on the bench at Palace or play every week at Villa?
And don't forget if you are an Irish boy you would remember which club your heroes played for😊( ok albeit before he was probably born or very young)
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 25, 2017, 06:32:02 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 25, 2017, 06:37:43 PM
I didn't want to start a new thread for this but, seeing how we're doing business with Barnsley there's bound to be a good few looking in here. I got to thinking how many players we've bought from Barnsley in the past. I can only think of two: Frank Barson and Danny Blanchflower.
I've tried to find somewhere on the net but am drawing a blank. Anyone know of any others?
Yup. That's one I never thought of. Came to us in 1987 and moved him on in 1991 to Southampton. According to Wiki.
Post by: yammers on January 25, 2017, 06:40:35 PM
I didn't want to start a new thread for this but, seeing how we're doing business with Barnsley there's bound to be a good few looking in here. I got to thinking how many players we've bought from Barnsley in the past. I can only think of two: Frank Barson and Danny Blanchflower.
I've tried to find somewhere on the net but am drawing a blank. Anyone know of any others?
Yup. That's one I never thought of. Came to us in 1987 and moved him on in 1991 to Southampton. According to Wiki.
Didn't we sign Lee Butler from Barnsley?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 25, 2017, 06:41:11 PM
He will be confirmed before the weekend.Come on chelts, I bet he was confirmed bloody years ago! :D
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 25, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
He will be confirmed before the weekend.Come on chelts, I bet he was confirmed bloody years ago! :D
Well that is true enough. The deal has been done for ages now. They wouldn't let him leave before they played the derby with Leeds and then not until they had a replacement. All sorted now.
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2017, 07:00:33 PM
I didn't want to start a new thread for this but, seeing how we're doing business with Barnsley there's bound to be a good few looking in here. I got to thinking how many players we've bought from Barnsley in the past. I can only think of two: Frank Barson and Danny Blanchflower.
I've tried to find somewhere on the net but am drawing a blank. Anyone know of any others?
Yup. That's one I never thought of. Came to us in 1987 and moved him on in 1991 to Southampton. According to Wiki.
Didn't we sign Lee Butler from Barnsley?
Lincoln City.
Stuart Gray is the one that springs to my mind. He was their captain too.
Post by: Ian. on January 25, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 25, 2017, 07:04:42 PM
He will be confirmed before the weekend.Come on chelts, I bet he was confirmed bloody years ago! :D
Lol, very good.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 09:13:21 PM
I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
Post by: London Villan on January 25, 2017, 09:14:51 PM
Post by: russon on January 25, 2017, 09:15:24 PM
Paul Mortimer? His surname promised rather more than he delivered.I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 25, 2017, 09:16:34 PM
I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
eh?
Post by: dave shelley on January 25, 2017, 09:18:31 PM
I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
I don't know if I'm reading your post incorrectly Bob so apologies if I am but, are you seriously suggesting Alex Cropley, one of the finest midfielders we've ever had was underwhelming? Again, apologies if I'm reading you wrong.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 25, 2017, 09:22:52 PM
you mean you liked him too ?,,,,,,oh dear, outvoted by the cognoscenti.
Of course he liked him, Cropley was on of our finest midfielders in recent history
Post by: CAitken on January 25, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
What??? Alex Cropley is the finest Midfielder I have seen play for the Villa in 50 years. A wand of a left foot, a great dribbler and a hell of a shot.I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
Post by: john e on January 25, 2017, 09:29:30 PM
you mean you liked him too ?,,,,,,oh dear, outvoted by the cognoscenti.
a minority of one, is where your gona be with this
Post by: oldham_villa on January 25, 2017, 09:29:55 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 25, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
Well yes I was about 11 and as I say I thought he was ace at the time.I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 25, 2017, 09:49:50 PM
Well yes I was about 11 and as I say I thought he was ace at the time.I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
He was quite good at LB when filling in for Gage, my memory could be distorted though.
Post by: The Left Side on January 25, 2017, 09:51:52 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 09:52:57 PM
Post by: MorrisNielson on January 25, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
I didn't want to start a new thread for this but, seeing how we're doing business with Barnsley there's bound to be a good few looking in here. I got to thinking how many players we've bought from Barnsley in the past. I can only think of two: Frank Barson and Danny Blanchflower.
I've tried to find somewhere on the net but am drawing a blank. Anyone know of any others?
Before today, only 4 signing from Barnsley to play first team football.
3 have already been mentioned (Gray, Barson, Blanchflower) plus George Reeves in 1907 (our first 1000 pound signing!)
Players sold to Barnsley:
Lee Bulter
David Geddis
Albert Lindin (pre war goalie)
Ginger Phoenix (inter war forward)
Pongo
Gareth Williams (left winger signed by SGT)
Norman Young (inter war full back)
Post by: passport1 on January 25, 2017, 10:45:54 PM
I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
I don't know if I'm reading your post incorrectly Bob so apologies if I am but, are you seriously suggesting Alex Cropley, one of the finest midfielders we've ever had was underwhelming? Again, apologies if I'm reading you wrong.
I rubbed my eyes when I read that I thought perhaps I had had an over tiring day, but no he really thinks that!!
Post by: olaftab on January 25, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
Barnsley gaffer has said :No the midfielder he is talking about is Sam Morsy who has gone this week.
"we've seen one midfielder depart this week, but conversely we’ve brought in another who is hugely experienced and talented, so I’m delighted that we’ve got the deal done."
That's Conor hourihane out Matty James in.
Suitable replacement for them . Good loan option
Post by: robbyfvillain on January 26, 2017, 12:26:16 AM
You may be correct but Morsy left over 3 weeks ago and played for Wigan on the 7th Jan.Barnsley gaffer has said :No the midfielder he is talking about is Sam Morsy who has gone this week.
"we've seen one midfielder depart this week, but conversely we’ve brought in another who is hugely experienced and talented, so I’m delighted that we’ve got the deal done."
That's Conor hourihane out Matty James in.
Suitable replacement for them . Good loan option
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 12:27:31 AM
Exactly !You may be correct but Morsy left over 3 weeks ago and played for Wigan on the 7th Jan.Barnsley gaffer has said :No the midfielder he is talking about is Sam Morsy who has gone this week.
"we've seen one midfielder depart this week, but conversely we’ve brought in another who is hugely experienced and talented, so I’m delighted that we’ve got the deal done."
That's Conor hourihane out Matty James in.
Suitable replacement for them . Good loan option
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2017, 12:29:43 AM
According to t'internet.
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 12:34:18 AM
Yet it no secret that he isn't coming.
Jordan Rhodes thread coming soon!
Post by: mr underhill on January 26, 2017, 04:54:57 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 26, 2017, 06:00:28 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 26, 2017, 06:42:47 AM
Is he still alive?
Can he play with his back to goal?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2017, 07:17:39 AM
I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
I don't know if I'm reading your post incorrectly Bob so apologies if I am but, are you seriously suggesting Alex Cropley, one of the finest midfielders we've ever had was underwhelming? Again, apologies if I'm reading you wrong.
I want to comment but my brain is having too much trouble processing the concept of a Villa fan not rating Alex Cropley.
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 26, 2017, 07:20:19 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 26, 2017, 07:22:10 AM
Post by: brian green on January 26, 2017, 07:24:32 AM
Post by: Villafirst on January 26, 2017, 07:28:32 AM
Something doesn't seem right here. What's the hold up? It smells to me like Barnsley have other clubs sniffing around and are holding out for more money. If this deals not done today I don't think it will happen.
Players hold all the cards these days. Sounds like Hourihane has made his mind up to join Villa. You can't always force players to play for another club. Dr Xia says 99% done.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2017, 07:37:44 AM
Post by: itbrvilla on January 26, 2017, 07:39:52 AM
Apologies for the long link, I'm posting from phone so it's a bit of a pain to do the links properly. Looking up Alex Crooley on Google images I spotted the 2 pictures below. One is an original from his Arsenal days, the other, tis the same pic but with a villa kit drawn on top. Found it mildly entertaining.
http://www.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/aston-villa-alex-cropley-289-topps-1977-red-back-football-soccer-trading-card-32906-p.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/aculturedleftfoot.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/kgrhqyokpue6uf95f-bookn7qlkw60_12.jpg
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 26, 2017, 07:49:01 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 26, 2017, 08:01:16 AM
Post by: brian green on January 26, 2017, 08:06:49 AM
Post by: oldtimernow on January 26, 2017, 08:11:31 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 26, 2017, 08:16:48 AM
Any news on Mr, Hourihane?No. Probably going to the Premier League
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 26, 2017, 08:18:08 AM
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 26, 2017, 08:31:14 AM
I loved Stuart Gray, I thought he was ace.my goodness. you are young and were easily impressionable at that tender age, surely. imho opinion one of the most underwhelming midfielders we've had since alex cropley.
I don't know if I'm reading your post incorrectly Bob so apologies if I am but, are you seriously suggesting Alex Cropley, one of the finest midfielders we've ever had was underwhelming? Again, apologies if I'm reading you wrong.
I want to comment but my brain is having too much trouble processing the concept of a Villa fan not rating Alex Cropley.
I was certainly happy with these two, but if you wanted someone launched into row F Eammon Deacy was your man!
Post by: KevinGage on January 26, 2017, 08:49:52 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 26, 2017, 09:08:13 AM
Hope your right bud. I love Tony's tweets but I'm a bit confused as to who he's referring to sometimes. Maths not my strongest point. I'm not very good at england either come to think of it.Something doesn't seem right here. What's the hold up? It smells to me like Barnsley have other clubs sniffing around and are holding out for more money. If this deals not done today I don't think it will happen.
Players hold all the cards these days. Sounds like Hourihane has made his mind up to join Villa. You can't always force players to play for another club. Dr Xia says 99% done.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 26, 2017, 09:08:39 AM
Post by: themossman on January 26, 2017, 09:11:33 AM
Hourihane will join as soon as he can grow a lovely beard.
That's all our medicals involve now. Doctors measuring beards with calipers.
Post by: olaftab on January 26, 2017, 09:40:00 AM
Alex Cropley was an outstanding player and Stuart Gray was a very good one.Yes Stuart was a clean tidy efficient midfielder, on the other hand, Alex was pure class.
Post by: auntiesledd on January 26, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
Mebbe BOB meant Alan Curbishley.
Nah, he was more likely to be thinking of Dennis Mortimer. What a waste of space he was! ;)
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 26, 2017, 10:00:19 AM
Post by: brian green on January 26, 2017, 10:02:21 AM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 26, 2017, 10:03:28 AM
Barnsley boss says he's planning his team for the weekend without CH as he closes in on a move to us
Good.
Post by: auntiesledd on January 26, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Dennis Mortimer, I had forgotten all about him. Hell we have had some crap players through our club. That smiley one from Tobago, forget his name. Couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
I wouldn't worry Brian - since most of us wouldn't even remember what games he played in during his time taking the piss at VP. And don't get me started on that charlatan Andy Gray. Yeeesh...
Post by: Breezeblock on January 26, 2017, 10:18:17 AM
Dennis Mortimer, I had forgotten all about him. Hell we have had some crap players through our club. That smiley one from Tobago, forget his name. Couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.We certainly have! Remember that skinny kid with the long black hair in the '70s? Brian somebody. Absolute rubbish! Couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo!
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2017, 10:18:57 AM
I was certainly happy with these two, but if you wanted someone launched into row F Eammon Deacy was your man!
*Eamonn
Post by: The Edge on January 26, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
Post by: murfee on January 26, 2017, 10:27:11 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2017, 10:28:46 AM
Its done.....Doc tweeted 100% announce shortly
looking forward to seeing him play
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 26, 2017, 10:50:12 AM
Is your name Bob Mansfield or are you Robert of Mansfield? That's the big question for me.
Were you on the train from Sheffield to London for the FA Cup semi final and also go to watch Mansfield Town?
Post by: darren woolley on January 26, 2017, 10:50:21 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2017, 10:54:11 AM
The Doctor has just announced that there will be a new signing announcement shortly.
The announcement could be Messi, L. and we'd be moaning about the hold up in signing Hourihane
Post by: aev on January 26, 2017, 11:00:43 AM
The Doctor has just announced that there will be a new signing announcement shortly.
The announcement could be Messi, L. and we'd be moaning about the hold up in signing Hourihane
Rightly so. Messi smiles too much - he should learn to take this shit seriously.
Post by: auntiesledd on January 26, 2017, 11:07:56 AM
The Doctor has just announced that there will be a new signing announcement shortly.
The announcement could be Messi, L. and we'd be moaning about the hold up in signing Hourihane
Rightly so. Messi smiles too much - he should learn to take this shit seriously.
True, but he does have a beard these days (although quite how the BH Measuring Bods will be able to determine the length of his half-arsed effort is anyone's guess).
Post by: old man villa fan on January 26, 2017, 11:21:24 AM
Dennis Mortimer, I had forgotten all about him. Hell we have had some crap players through our club. That smiley one from Tobago, forget his name. Couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
I wouldn't worry Brian - since most of us wouldn't even remember what games he played in during his time taking the piss at VP. And don't get me started on that charlatan Andy Gray. Yeeesh...
Please be specific, which one?
Post by: PeterWithe on January 26, 2017, 11:34:02 AM
Post by: auntiesledd on January 26, 2017, 11:37:21 AM
Dennis Mortimer, I had forgotten all about him. Hell we have had some crap players through our club. That smiley one from Tobago, forget his name. Couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
I wouldn't worry Brian - since most of us wouldn't even remember what games he played in during his time taking the piss at VP. And don't get me started on that charlatan Andy Gray. Yeeesh...
Please be specific, which one?
Oh I say! Good knowledge there sir. ;)
Post by: aev on January 26, 2017, 11:42:54 AM
Dennis Mortimer, I had forgotten all about him. Hell we have had some crap players through our club. That smiley one from Tobago, forget his name. Couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
I wouldn't worry Brian - since most of us wouldn't even remember what games he played in during his time taking the piss at VP. And don't get me started on that charlatan Andy Gray. Yeeesh...
Please be specific, which one?
Oh I say! Good knowledge there sir. ;)
I remember on the ITV Big Match they had Craig Johnstone as the studio guest. They were going through some of the goals and Andy Gray scored for Spurzzz (think he was there then) and Johnstone said something along the lines "Crikey, he was white the last time I saw him".
Post by: jwarry on January 26, 2017, 11:46:48 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 26, 2017, 11:47:36 AM
Post by: Joshua Fineman on January 26, 2017, 11:48:09 AM
Post by: MalcolmP on January 26, 2017, 11:48:24 AM
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 26, 2017, 11:48:38 AM
Now official
Post by: Joshua Fineman on January 26, 2017, 11:48:55 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/824584059930152960
Post by: Havencheese on January 26, 2017, 11:49:45 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 26, 2017, 11:51:01 AM
Post by: andyh on January 26, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
I am really pleased with all of the transfers, but especially this one.
Plays offs ? A bridge too far ? Unfortunately, I think it is.
Post by: auntiesledd on January 26, 2017, 11:52:27 AM
Post by: peter w on January 26, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
Post by: AGRIPPA on January 26, 2017, 11:53:22 AM
Post by: Villafirst on January 26, 2017, 11:54:30 AM
It's official - welcome Connor to the greatest club in the world
It's Conor!
Post by: Axl Rose on January 26, 2017, 11:55:04 AM
Post by: brian green on January 26, 2017, 11:55:19 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 26, 2017, 11:55:32 AM
Oh no.........It's official - welcome Connor to the greatest club in the world
It's Conor!
Post by: Axl Rose on January 26, 2017, 11:55:46 AM
The transfer windows have become the best parts of our season. Wish the games were as good.
Haha. I literally just said this to my wife.
Post by: Villan For Life on January 26, 2017, 11:56:20 AM
Post by: simon ward 50 on January 26, 2017, 11:56:47 AM
Post by: Tuscans on January 26, 2017, 11:57:28 AM
Post by: amfy on January 26, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 26, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
Should fit in well with Thor and Angela, no doubt.
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 26, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
Post by: Nev on January 26, 2017, 12:07:53 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 26, 2017, 12:08:49 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2017, 12:09:27 PM
(https://d16b4kgyytl7c7.cloudfront.net/~/media/CHMainWeb.ashx?h=720&la=en&mw=1280&w=1280&vs=1&d=20170126T114150Z&hash=D93D042C25AFCAF670F6D4817E5A5C47B78EFD5D)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2017, 12:14:15 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 26, 2017, 12:14:37 PM
Post by: Jimbo on January 26, 2017, 12:15:22 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 26, 2017, 12:15:33 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 26, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on January 26, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
Just eagle-eyed 26 on the shirt he was wearing.............Hope not isn't that Kodjia ?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2017, 12:24:36 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 26, 2017, 12:24:40 PM
Post by: The Edge on January 26, 2017, 12:28:52 PM
Fan-bloody-tastic !!!!!Great signing but play offs will be a big ask. Don't matter anyway I'll settle for a glorious title winning campaign next season
I am really pleased with all of the transfers, but especially this one.
Plays offs ? A bridge too far ? Unfortunately, I think it is.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 26, 2017, 12:33:57 PM
just never a favourite of mine, I guess. we all have opinions, eh? and some do change over time. perhaps I always thought he played better against us than he ever did for us.
You're not getting Alex Cropley mixed up with Tommy Craig, perhaps?
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
9 points is 3 wins keep thinking kts not much but I know it's more than that in a way. However players coming here realise the ambition as well as attraction and wage and can be pleased we have a top quality player here.
Up the villa.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on January 26, 2017, 12:35:49 PM
Post by: Ad@m on January 26, 2017, 12:46:01 PM
Please let this not be yet another false dawn!!!!!
Post by: BC Villain on January 26, 2017, 12:48:51 PM
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 26, 2017, 12:49:04 PM
Post by: not3bad on January 26, 2017, 12:50:30 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 26, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
Welcome Conor! Looking forward to Saturday!
Cinema? Bowling?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 26, 2017, 12:54:10 PM
DoggingWelcome Conor! Looking forward to Saturday!
Cinema? Bowling?
Post by: lordmcgrath5 on January 26, 2017, 12:55:20 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
Excellent stuff. Welcome to the first Bandon (County Cork) man I can think of to play for the Villa. We haven't had a midfield for years, wonder what having one will be like.
James Collins will probably re-join on loan and the midfield will be completely bypassed
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 01:00:26 PM
DoggingWelcome Conor! Looking forward to Saturday!
Cinema? Bowling?
Spa diamond massage. Aston.
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
ShudderExcellent stuff. Welcome to the first Bandon (County Cork) man I can think of to play for the Villa. We haven't had a midfield for years, wonder what having one will be like.
James Collins will probably re-join on loan and the midfield will be completely bupassed
Post by: darren woolley on January 26, 2017, 01:04:10 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 26, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2017, 01:13:32 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2017, 01:17:28 PM
Post by: Breezeblock on January 26, 2017, 01:27:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2017, 01:36:17 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2017, 01:39:01 PM
Welcome Conor. Again, I know it's Youtube but he looks shit-hot! And he seems to like scoring against the filth! I'm so excited by our signings this week a little bit of sex wee has leaked out! :)
Great stuff. Absolutely loves scoring, his team-mates have a job catching him in the celebrations. At times he is the furthest man forward, what strange magic is this?
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 26, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
Post by: cdward on January 26, 2017, 01:44:50 PM
Bree - 4.5 year deal
Hourihane - 3.5 year deal
Bjarnason - 3.5 year deal
Simple question, how come they all agree different contract lengths, anyone know a simple answer.
Are they all offered the same deal? Is it a fixed amount of money but spread over different amounts of time.
Just curious.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 26, 2017, 01:51:51 PM
He certainly likes getting into the box and has a superb left peg.
Don't worry we will soon coach that out of him ;)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 26, 2017, 02:06:34 PM
Post by: lovejoy on January 26, 2017, 02:11:29 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
Watching that clip he reminds me of Alan Thompson.
Fookin hope not. What a let-down.
Post by: peter w on January 26, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
Watching that clip he reminds me of Alan Thompson.
I hope not.
Anyway, if he gets to take a penalty I reckon I know where he'll put it.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2017, 02:24:26 PM
Post by: brian green on January 26, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
Post by: Pete on January 26, 2017, 02:27:01 PM
Post by: peter w on January 26, 2017, 02:29:35 PM
Post by: KRS on January 26, 2017, 02:29:39 PM
Welcome to VP Conor.
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2017, 02:30:43 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
"Significant fee and sell-on" according to the Barnsley site. They've done well in what must have been shit situations for them seeing us come in and pillage their talent.
agreed and having seen us lose out on countinho and dele Ali in previous Windows really proud that can attract top talent potential and sign progressive players.
Hooray for that!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 26, 2017, 02:40:06 PM
Watching that clip he reminds me of Alan Thompson.
I hope not.
Anyway, if he gets to take a penalty I reckon I know where he'll put it.
I reckon he could even tell the keeper where he's going to put it and he'd still score. From the clip he looks very accurate with a dead ball.
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 02:41:53 PM
Watching that clip he reminds me of Alan Thompson.
I hope not.
Anyway, if he gets to take a penalty I reckon I know where he'll put it.
I reckon he could even tell the keeper where he's going to put it and he'd still score. From the clip he looks very accurate with a dead ball.
Charlie Adam crossed with Delph !
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 26, 2017, 02:42:09 PM
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 26, 2017, 02:49:32 PM
Glad we're signing established championship players, like we did with McCormack & Elphick.
Surely you aren't disappointed with Hourihane?
We also signed established players like Kodjia & Adoma.
With so many coming in, a couple are bound not to work out. Elphick is actually a great squad player and great character. I've no issues with him whatsoever.
Post by: olaftab on January 26, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 02:55:41 PM
Glad we're signing established championship players, like we did with McCormack & Elphick.
And how did you feel about signing Gollini and Tshibola .
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Any news on Mr, Hourihane?No. Probably going to the Premier League
Bearing in mind you thought he was going to the Premier League, you should be happy we've snapped him up.
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 03:00:11 PM
Absolute cracking player! Steal at 1 million !
Really good middle man plays well with aggression and offensive play.
Pros gets goals . Great footballing age . Creative. Captain and versatile in middle.
Negative - aggression leads to yellow cards !
Really hope he signs and we 'll enjoy his play.
Think Fabian Delph/ Charlie Adam hybrid
So we are signing an overweight snake ??
i've only just read your comment.
No coming at it different angles.
If you're familiar with the positive attributes of Adam and Delph midfield and ball play then it was this I was referencing.
They are both left footed.
Drive.
Adam has a dead ball specialist
Delphi tenacious and energetic
Both have cards in them
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2017, 03:03:25 PM
Glad we're signing established championship players, like we did with McCormack & Elphick.
Surely you aren't disappointed with Hourihane?
We also signed established players like Kodjia & Adoma.
With so many coming in, a couple are bound not to work out. Elphick is actually a great squad player and great character. I've no issues with him whatsoever.
I think Hourihane will do really well. Elphick is dreadful though, an extremely poor defender.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
Post by: avfcpg on January 26, 2017, 03:11:09 PM
On paper, that midfield is one of the best in this league....over to you Mr Bruce.
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 26, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
Glad we're signing established championship players, like we did with McCormack & Elphick.
Surely you aren't disappointed with Hourihane?
We also signed established players like Kodjia & Adoma.
With so many coming in, a couple are bound not to work out. Elphick is actually a great squad player and great character. I've no issues with him whatsoever.
I think Hourihane will do really well. Elphick is dreadful though, an extremely poor defender.
I think he's a good squad player. Not many Championship squads have someone like Elphick as back up.
Post by: berneboy on January 26, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
Also moving and settling in can be very difficult. Even in my own work (teaching) finding effectiveness and place to contribute takes time.
We need to remember this with all the movement in the squad, especially with young James Bree leaving home for the first time.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2017, 03:16:48 PM
Elphick has been very disappointing, however like many on here I was pleased when we signed him.
I think that of the summer signings that have disappointed or been a bit meh, Mad Tom is the one that surprises me the most
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2017, 03:18:50 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 26, 2017, 03:57:16 PM
Glad we're signing established championship players, like we did with McCormack & Elphick.
And how did you feel about signing Gollini and Tshibola .
Didn't have an opinion, hadn't heard of either. Not seen enough still to comment if they're good enough or not.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 26, 2017, 04:02:31 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2017, 05:50:36 PM
Conor Hourihane @ConorHourihane 2h2 hours ago
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Conor Hourihane Retweeted Paul McGrath
If I have half the career you had here il be ok! Thank you for the message 👊🏻@Paulmcgrath5Conor Hourihane added,
Paul McGrath @Paulmcgrath5
. @ConorHourihane Welcome Aboard Conor , great news you've joined Aston Villa, it's a brilliant place to play football, Enjoy #Respect. UTV.
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Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2017, 05:52:37 PM
Imagine signing for your new club and Paul McGrath tweets you to welcome you aboard! For any Irish footballer, this would be immense. I am so excited by this signing - for me, it is brilliant to have an Irishman back on the park for Villa!
He's no Enda Stevens
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 26, 2017, 05:55:36 PM
In his white Transit van
Brought us back a midfielder
Conor Hourihane!
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 26, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Post by: manic-road on January 26, 2017, 05:59:45 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2017, 06:06:02 PM
Dr Tony went to Barnsley
In his white Transit van
Brought us back a midfielder
Conor Hourihane!
Dr Tony went to Barnsley
In a MGB
Brought us back two new stars
Hourihane and Bree
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2017, 06:08:00 PM
Welcome to the first Bandon (County Cork) man I can think of to play for the Villa.
Without even kicking a ball he's better than our last County Cork man.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 26, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
Imagine signing for your new club and Paul McGrath tweets you to welcome you aboard! For any Irish footballer, this would be immense. I am so excited by this signing - for me, it is brilliant to have an Irishman back on the park for Villa!
He's no Enda Stevens
Who? Big Paul?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2017, 06:21:31 PM
Post by: john e on January 26, 2017, 06:40:07 PM
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
Post by: Steve kirk on January 26, 2017, 06:47:31 PM
Post by: aev on January 26, 2017, 06:49:26 PM
i have two sons called Albert and Connor,
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
I heard a similar thing with Brendan/Brendon.
The former is left foot, the latter right foot (I think).
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 26, 2017, 07:23:07 PM
Look out for "The Owlsman", he's had me howling with some of his comments. He'd do the noses proud. He's got his heart set on Jordan Rhodes now. Part of me hopes that we don't sign him, it could push the poor kid over the edge. ;D
http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/249573-conor-hourihane/
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2017, 07:27:32 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 26, 2017, 07:33:30 PM
i have two sons called Albert and Connor,
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
If you find yourself in Belfast and you hear the names Paddy or Sean you are probably around the Catholic Falls Road area. If you here Sammy or Alex you are in the Protestant Shankhill Road. That's a sweeping generalisation but you get the point.
Post by: Ads on January 26, 2017, 07:45:18 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 26, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on January 26, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
His first interview (https://vimeo.com/201150285) in full, if you haven't already watched it or don't subscribe.I like the cut of this fellas jib. The very best of luck Conor.
Post by: The Edge on January 26, 2017, 08:06:48 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2017, 08:07:58 PM
His first interview (https://vimeo.com/201150285) in full, if you haven't already watched it or don't subscribe.
Cheers for that, Goldie.
You've got to love his attitude. Very impressed.
Post by: claret+blue ed on January 26, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Welcome to the villa Conor
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 26, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
i have two sons called Albert and Connor,
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
Conor is an Irish Christian name and Connor is an Irish surname. I think the latter is more to do with the modern phenomena of using surnames as first names.
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2017, 08:25:36 PM
His first interview (https://vimeo.com/201150285) in full, if you haven't already watched it or don't subscribe.
Cheers for that, Goldie.
You've got to love his attitude. Very impressed.
Could anybody explain what he's talking about. Goals? Assists? Getting in the box?
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2017, 08:28:22 PM
His first interview (https://vimeo.com/201150285) in full, if you haven't already watched it or don't subscribe.
Cheers for that, Goldie.
You've got to love his attitude. Very impressed.
Could anybody explain what he's talking about. Goals? Assists? Getting in the box?
No I've read about it in books with dust on them. The play is in the other teams half if you can believe that, and they have these things called attacking players who move forward. Not side to side or backwards. They then kick the ball towards the opponents net and it goes in every so often. It's quite a bizarre concept.
Post by: brian green on January 26, 2017, 08:31:33 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2017, 08:35:30 PM
If you are in Harringay and you hear somebody calling Yusuf or Abdul you are on the Turkish side of Green Lanes. If you hear somebody shout Georgio or Stefan you are on the Greek side. If you hear somebody shout "Oi Cant!" you are in the middle of the road.
made me laugh thankyou
Post by: peter w on January 26, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
If you are in Harringay and you hear somebody calling Yusuf or Abdul you are on the Turkish side of Green Lanes. If you hear somebody shout Georgio or Stefan you are on the Greek side. If you hear somebody shout "Oi Cant!" you are in the middle of the road.
Stewards order...
It'd be Mustafa or Emre on the Turkish side...
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 26, 2017, 08:47:53 PM
i have two sons called Albert and Connor,
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
Conor is an Irish Christian name and Connor is an Irish surname. I think the latter is more to do with the modern phenomena of using surnames as first names.
Is the correct answer.
O Connor is the Irish surname. It is said that the Connors dropped the O when they converted to Protestantism for food during the famine. I don't know if there is any truth to this, but you will hear it termed as 'They took the soup'. As an aside, Bandon would have been predominantly Protestant when I was growing up. I'm not sure what the score is now.
Post by: the-farmer on January 26, 2017, 08:53:31 PM
i have two sons called Albert and Connor,
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
Conor is an Irish Christian name and Connor is an Irish surname. I think the latter is more to do with the modern phenomena of using surnames as first names.
Is the correct answer.
O Connor is the Irish surname. It is said that the Connors dropped the O when they converted to Protestantism for food during the famine. I don't know if there is any truth to this, but you will hear it termed as 'They took the soup'. As an aside, Bandon would have been predominantly Protestant when I was growing up. I'm not sure what the score is now.
I heard Billy Connolly say something along these lines a few years ago
Post by: brian green on January 26, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 26, 2017, 10:02:07 PM
i have two sons called Albert and Connor,
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
Conor is an Irish Christian name and Connor is an Irish surname. I think the latter is more to do with the modern phenomena of using surnames as first names.
Is the correct answer.
O Connor is the Irish surname. It is said that the Connors dropped the O when they converted to Protestantism for food during the famine. I don't know if there is any truth to this, but you will hear it termed as 'They took the soup'. As an aside, Bandon would have been predominantly Protestant when I was growing up. I'm not sure what the score is now.
Over the centuries families just drop the "O" from their names for various reasons. My own surname originally had an "O" before it but it hasn't anymore for whatever reason. Sometimes they're just dropped out of even laziness. I have a mate called Reilly who (about 20 years ago) applied for an Irish passport. He had to get his dad's birth certificate and when he got it it said his dad was born O'Reilly. When he spoke to his dad he said, "oh yeah I dropped the O when I came to England so I could get a job."
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 10:40:39 PM
i have two sons called Albert and Connor,
so this would be the first time we have the possibility of both names in the team playing at the same time in our history
a random fact of no consequence whatsoever
about the name Connor/Conor a Irish friend told me a long time ago that the name spelt with two N's was the Protestant way of spelling it and the one N was the Catholic way.
apparently in Ireland there is no end of ways to decipher what side your on without having to say a word,
maybe one of our Irish lads will know more
Conor is an Irish Christian name and Connor is an Irish surname. I think the latter is more to do with the modern phenomena of using surnames as first names.
Is the correct answer.
O Connor is the Irish surname. It is said that the Connors dropped the O when they converted to Protestantism for food during the famine. I don't know if there is any truth to this, but you will hear it termed as 'They took the soup'. As an aside, Bandon would have been predominantly Protestant when I was growing up. I'm not sure what the score is now.
Over the centuries families just drop the "O" from their names for various reasons. My own surname originally had an "O" before it but it hasn't anymore for whatever reason. Sometimes they're just dropped out of even laziness. I have a mate called Reilly who (about 20 years ago) applied for an Irish passport. He had to get his dad's birth certificate and when he got it it said his dad was born O'Reilly. When he spoke to his dad he said, "oh yeah I dropped the O when I came to England so I could get a job."
Who do you think you Are? Live on h and v
Post by: BC Villain on January 26, 2017, 10:55:48 PM
https://twitter.com/thevillazone/status/824643530954051585
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2017, 11:11:39 PM
Post by: OCD on January 27, 2017, 12:00:45 AM
Post by: KevinGage on January 27, 2017, 12:24:53 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 27, 2017, 12:27:48 AM
It's a bit shit, isn't it (the kit, not the signing).
It is. Burnley have a good shade of claret. Not sure why we can't nail it.
Post by: KevinGage on January 27, 2017, 12:37:46 AM
Traditionally they had the tat and we had something approximating a proper kit.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 27, 2017, 01:15:10 AM
Post by: Comrade Blitz on January 27, 2017, 01:30:23 AM
Pop quiz, who can pronounce the irish translation of Conor? It's spelled Conchubhar, by the way.
Is it Derek?
Post by: robbo1874 on January 27, 2017, 01:51:48 AM
Post by: Havencheese on January 27, 2017, 02:15:37 AM
Pop quiz, who can pronounce the irish translation of Conor? It's spelled Conchubhar, by the way.
Is it Derek?
Taylah?
Post by: Hillbilly on January 27, 2017, 04:19:16 AM
Pop quiz, who can pronounce the irish translation of Conor? It's spelled Conchubhar, by the way.Dogfucker isn't it?
Post by: peter w on January 27, 2017, 04:56:18 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 27, 2017, 05:09:42 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2017, 05:14:56 AM
It's a bit shit, isn't it (the kit, not the signing).
Yep. The colour is off, I don't really like collars and buttons either. Macron make good kits, so hope there is a better one next season.
Post by: berneboy on January 27, 2017, 05:24:01 AM
Pop quiz, who can pronounce the irish translation of Conor? It's spelled Conchubhar, by the way.
Is it Derek?
I'm reading this at twenty past five in the morning when I should be asleep and I laughed.
Thank you.
And goodnight.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 27, 2017, 04:02:14 PM
It's a bit shit, isn't it (the kit, not the signing).
Yep. The colour is off, I don't really like collars and buttons either. Macron make good kits, so hope there is a better one next season.
I must have missed this, when did we sign the deal to go back?
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
Hitz maybe?
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 27, 2017, 05:34:20 PM
from the highlights reel, he will give us a shooting threat from outside the box that we havent had since.....cant remember actually
Hitz maybe?
Er, two words; West, Wood.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 27, 2017, 05:47:23 PM
Shooting "Threat" to the goal not the corner flag.from the highlights reel, he will give us a shooting threat from outside the box that we havent had since.....cant remember actually
Hitz maybe?
Er, two words; West, Wood.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 27, 2017, 06:28:12 PM
It's pronounced Cruh-hoor. Work that one out.Pop quiz, who can pronounce the irish translation of Conor? It's spelled Conchubhar, by the way.Dogfucker isn't it?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 27, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
It's pronounced Cruh-hoor. Work that one out.Pop quiz, who can pronounce the irish translation of Conor? It's spelled Conchubhar, by the way.Dogfucker isn't it?
Depends on where you are from. It's cu-hoor where I'm from.
Post by: johnc on January 27, 2017, 09:40:29 PM
Good old Munster IrishIt's pronounced Cruh-hoor. Work that one out.Pop quiz, who can pronounce the irish translation of Conor? It's spelled Conchubhar, by the way.Dogfucker isn't it?
Depends on where you are from. It's cu-hoor where I'm from.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 04, 2017, 07:19:39 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 04, 2017, 08:20:38 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2017, 12:44:39 AM
I never saw him play at Barnsley, so I'm hoping and assuming his first two games for us don't accurately represent his ability, because he's been miles off the pace.
He was crap against Brentford and crap first half today but I thought he was very good second half, seemed to be everywhere and his passing, particularly the whipped balls into the box were a real threat.
Post by: CT Villan on February 05, 2017, 04:20:41 AM
Post by: ROBBO on February 05, 2017, 05:56:14 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on February 05, 2017, 08:27:18 AM
I suspect that we will see him play better when he is not playing a holding midfield role with Lansbury. I find it hard to understand why the player with the leading number of assists in the Championship is playing so deep.
It looked to me as though the idea was to sit deep, deny them the space between the lines that we gave Brentford and hit them on the break. It worked ok I thought but the absence of Jedinak obviously restricted Lansbury as he had to be the one who remained disciplined.
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2017, 09:09:26 AM
I liked having two up top and I like the idea of having them two in midfield. That system away from home works well for me.
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2017, 09:27:16 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2017, 09:33:50 AM
Despite the cries of many that the Jedi is not very good, he is the missing link in this new MF set-up. He is the back 3/4 shield that will give Ange and Houri the licence to do what they do best.
He certainly looks like the missing link, but yes, he should definately play instead of Grealish allowing Hourahane and Lansbury to do the attacking stuff.
Post by: Villafirst on February 05, 2017, 09:41:28 AM
Post by: ajmant on February 10, 2017, 09:22:12 AM
Post by: Mister E on February 10, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
Which to me begs the question why have we only got one decent holding midfielder. Hey ho.Is that GG's natural position, perhaps? As understudy to the Jedi (we could rename him Luke)
Post by: mattjpa on February 10, 2017, 09:52:40 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 10, 2017, 10:41:16 AM
I find it hard to explain why they are all playing so deep.
How deep is our line, how deep is our line
I really mean to learn
'Cause we're living in a world of fools
Breaking us down when they all should let us be
Sitting deep complacently
Post by: LeeB on February 10, 2017, 08:50:00 PM
I find it hard to explain why they are all playing so deep.
How deep is our line, how deep is our line
I really mean to learn
'Cause we're living in a world of fools
Breaking us down when they all should let us be
Sitting deep complacently
If we can't push up
We can't press the opposition
If we can't push up, whooo-oh
Post by: adrenachrome on February 10, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
It's no time to time to whine
We're Aston Villa
We play a deep line
Post by: Ad@m on February 15, 2017, 12:52:09 PM
I thought we were buying this incredible box-to-box midfielder with an eye for goal. Instead we seem to have bought an anonymous midfielder hider who can't manage a completed pass.
I'm by no means writing him off yet but what's happened to the player who led Barnsley to a win up at Elland Road just before we signed him?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 15, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
I'm confused by Hourihane.
I thought we were buying this incredible box-to-box midfielder with an eye for goal. Instead we seem to have bought an anonymous midfielder hider who can't manage a completed pass.
I'm by no means writing him off yet but what's happened to the player who led Barnsley to a win up at Elland Road just before we signed him?
We've signed better players than him who've turned to total Blues.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 15, 2017, 01:02:27 PM
Show up and shed yourselves of any footballing brain. Pick up said brain on departure and continue with your career.
Nobody can explain why players with undoubted talent at this level don't do it in one of our shirts.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 15, 2017, 01:08:46 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 15, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 15, 2017, 01:13:24 PM
I thought he was actually more noticeable last night than Saturday but still nowhere what I was expecting after the hype to get him
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 15, 2017, 01:15:56 PM
If we insist on him taking corners then FFS try something else other than a floaty one to the back stick for Baker to miss
I thought he was actually more noticeable last night than Saturday but still nowhere what I was expecting after the hype to get him
At least we saved £3m in getting someone else to do floaty corners instead of Westy.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 15, 2017, 01:21:12 PM
Its not just him. Scott Hogan looks like he's never, ever seen a football before.
Dr Who scripts are less baffling than deciphering what happens to our players on match day.
Post by: mr underhill on February 15, 2017, 01:36:05 PM
Post by: achilles on February 15, 2017, 01:45:33 PM
The more I watch them the more I am convinced that they only ever meet up on match days!
Post by: AV82EC on February 15, 2017, 03:59:53 PM
Post by: frank black on February 15, 2017, 05:12:33 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 15, 2017, 05:21:47 PM
Folks willing to write him off after four games ... ;D
Post by: achilles on February 15, 2017, 05:24:39 PM
Folks willing to write him off after four games ... ;D
Who's that then?
Post by: Ad@m on February 15, 2017, 06:33:56 PM
If we insist on him taking corners then FFS try something else other than a floaty one to the back stick for Baker to miss
Don't get me started on corners!
Not Hourihane-related in the slightest but when was the last time we carried an actual goal threat from a corner? Winning a corner these days is essentially the same as the ball running out for a goal kick.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 15, 2017, 07:24:47 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 15, 2017, 07:28:00 PM
If we insist on him taking corners then FFS try something else other than a floaty one to the back stick for Baker to miss
Don't get me started on corners!
Not Hourihane-related in the slightest but when was the last time we carried an actual goal threat from a corner? Winning a corner these days is essentially the same as the ball running out for a goal kick.
Do you remember when there were complaints that we were an anti-football outfit because most of our goals were scored from set pieces under the auspices of the Derry Mon?
Those were the days, my friends.
Post by: UK Redsox on February 15, 2017, 07:38:35 PM
I noted with interest his ability to point a lot.
We thought that we'd never see a pointer of the calibre of NRC again and then along came Westy.
Now there's Hourihane making a challenge for the title
Post by: russon on February 15, 2017, 07:40:56 PM
Remember them well. Routine victories over Blues, regular top 6 finishes, a team of 100%ers, wasn't enough for some though...If we insist on him taking corners then FFS try something else other than a floaty one to the back stick for Baker to miss
Don't get me started on corners!
Not Hourihane-related in the slightest but when was the last time we carried an actual goal threat from a corner? Winning a corner these days is essentially the same as the ball running out for a goal kick.
Do you remember when there were complaints that we were an anti-football outfit because most of our goals were scored from set pieces under the auspices of the Derry Mon?
Those were the days, my friends.
Post by: Ads on February 15, 2017, 07:46:23 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 15, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
Post by: ktvillan on February 15, 2017, 08:23:43 PM
That would be the ambitious amongst us I suppose...Remember them well. Routine victories over Blues, regular top 6 finishes, a team of 100%ers, wasn't enough for some though...If we insist on him taking corners then FFS try something else other than a floaty one to the back stick for Baker to miss
Don't get me started on corners!
Not Hourihane-related in the slightest but when was the last time we carried an actual goal threat from a corner? Winning a corner these days is essentially the same as the ball running out for a goal kick.
Do you remember when there were complaints that we were an anti-football outfit because most of our goals were scored from set pieces under the auspices of the Derry Mon?
Those were the days, my friends.
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2017, 08:30:05 PM
That would be the ambitious amongst us I suppose...Remember them well. Routine victories over Blues, regular top 6 finishes, a team of 100%ers, wasn't enough for some though...If we insist on him taking corners then FFS try something else other than a floaty one to the back stick for Baker to miss
Don't get me started on corners!
Not Hourihane-related in the slightest but when was the last time we carried an actual goal threat from a corner? Winning a corner these days is essentially the same as the ball running out for a goal kick.
Do you remember when there were complaints that we were an anti-football outfit because most of our goals were scored from set pieces under the auspices of the Derry Mon?
Those were the days, my friends.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on February 15, 2017, 08:41:26 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 15, 2017, 08:49:18 PM
What the hell is going on here? No wonder why he was rubbish again, a bit too pally pally me thinks.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 15, 2017, 08:51:31 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 16, 2017, 08:21:57 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 17, 2017, 05:23:46 PM
Insufficient gelling time is the crux.
Quote
Aston Villa new boy Conor Hourihane claims Villa's players must work harder to turn their fortunes around this season.
The Midlands side have taken just one point since the turn of the year, despite bringing in eight players in January.
The former Barnsley captain believes the new additions will help the Villans in the long run, but admits it will take time for the side to gel.
He told Sky Sports: “When you look around the dressing room, you can’t not be confident.
“There are really good players here, especially for this level. Everyone just needs to work that little bit harder on the training field to turn the luck around.
“We haven’t had it in recent weeks but if you keep going, luck starts coming to your side. When that starts happening, the only way is up.
“The manager has been fantastic with myself and the lads since I came in. We have some great players in the changing room, it’s just taking a bit of time to gel.”
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 17, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 17, 2017, 09:42:32 PM
Rest assured that our time will come and in the long run we are all dead.
Pessimism of the intellect; optimism of the will.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 17, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 17, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 17, 2017, 10:01:30 PM
Whereas, you clearly have some inside knowledge that you have not shared truthfully with the VP of US ( previously prefixed with the definite article also.)
How did we get on to that on a Conor H thread anyway ? Soz.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 17, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
Yup, but most Americans ( I guess ) wouldn't know if Ukraine was in Russia or Venezuela.....or care much.
Whereas, you clearly have some inside knowledge that you have not shared truthfully with the VP of US ( previously prefixed with the definite article also.)
How did we get on to that on a Conor H thread anyway ? Soz.
Flux. Transition. Dialectics.
I blame Hegel. He started it.
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 17, 2017, 10:15:42 PM
That aside, what has Georgi's theories on idealism got to do with 2-5-2 or 4-4-3 ?
I think Conor should be let loose to plunder that part of Northern Europe just NE of Durham, England starting on Monday ( but don't tell anyone in advance, so they don't get the drop on him first )
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 28, 2017, 10:55:16 PM
@ConorHourihane
Back to back wins just what we needed!! Special feeling getting my first goal in front of the Holte end!! UTV
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 28, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 28, 2017, 11:16:25 PM
Now let's see how they can progress and build for next season.
Post by: Jockey Randall on February 28, 2017, 11:18:33 PM
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 28, 2017, 11:40:35 PM
Thought he got better and better as the game progressed
Yep and I thought he was MoM for us. Looked far better in a more advanced role and I hope him, Lansbury and Jedinak can form a strong midfield.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 01, 2017, 12:54:28 AM
Could have had a hat-trick with more composure.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 01, 2017, 01:22:42 AM
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@ConorHourihane
Back to back wins just what we needed!! Special feeling getting my first goal in front of the Holte end!! UTV
Good lad.
He looked at home in a Villa shirt today, delighted he has a goal to show for his troubles.
Post by: Ad@m on March 01, 2017, 06:05:15 AM
I've got high hopes for him and last night was the first time I saw glimpses he's heading in the right direction.
Post by: Ads on March 01, 2017, 07:09:21 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 01, 2017, 10:26:42 AM
Post by: Ad@m on March 01, 2017, 12:15:12 PM
It was refreshing to see a midfielder running at goal from a through pass last night.
Even more incredible, it was Nathan Baker who slotted the ball through!
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 01, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 01, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Conor HourihaneVerified account
@ConorHourihane
Back to back wins just what we needed!! Special feeling getting my first goal in front of the Holte end!! UTV
Good lad.
He looked at home in a Villa shirt today, delighted he has a goal to show for his troubles.
What troubles?
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2017, 12:13:09 AM
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Post by: adrenachrome on April 02, 2017, 12:36:50 AM
A bloke (who by the way keeps saying the annoying phrase 'Nigel you'll know this as well as me/better than me') rang WM tonight to say we miss Westwood and that Hourihane is no better than us and by the way we aren't good enough.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 02, 2017, 02:13:30 AM
So far disappointed with him and he had another bad game today. Not sure if we have him in the right position but a bit underwhelming at the moment.
He started out on the left today and looked uncomfortable in that position. I thought he looked a bit jaded and sluggish, and just wonder if he was suffering a bit from his exertions in midweek.
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Post by: Edvard Remberg on April 02, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
A bloke (who by the way keeps saying the annoying phrase 'Nigel you'll know this as well as me/better than me') rang WM tonight to say we miss Westwood and that Hourihane is no better than us and by the way we aren't good enough.
Just checked - Burnley hasn't won any game where Westwood has been involved. Proof that all is his fault... :D
Post by: tomd2103 on April 02, 2017, 05:13:41 PM
A bloke (who by the way keeps saying the annoying phrase 'Nigel you'll know this as well as me/better than me') rang WM tonight to say we miss Westwood and that Hourihane is no better than us and by the way we aren't good enough.
I heard that and that's where someone with a bit of nous would have pulled him up and said that they are different types of midfielder and therefore a comparison is a bit pointless. Not Franksy though.
Post by: LeeB on April 02, 2017, 05:15:55 PM
A bloke (who by the way keeps saying the annoying phrase 'Nigel you'll know this as well as me/better than me') rang WM tonight to say we miss Westwood and that Hourihane is no better than us and by the way we aren't good enough.
I heard that and that's where someone with a bit of nous would have pulled him up and said that they are different types of midfielder and therefore a comparison is a bit pointless. Not Franksy though.
They are completely different players, Hourihane appears to have a 'forward' gear.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 02, 2017, 05:16:56 PM
I see it differently. Lansbury, Hourihane and the others have come in, none have looked spectacular, none have really stood out, everyone will question the money spent, again, but at the end of it all we are on a run of 6 wins from 7, 1 goal conceded 6 clean sheets and making no bloopers, fighting hard and not really giving the opposition much of a sniff at goal. However they appear individually, as a team they are better than what has come before them and this is what we need to get out of this shit hole. Some of it is Bruce, some of it is them gelling but a good part of it too will be that they are better than the players they've replaced.
I want to see Bruce give Lansbury and Hourihane the chance to get forward a bit more. Hourihane looked far better against Bristol City in a more advanced role.
Post by: olaftab on April 02, 2017, 05:35:18 PM
Yes heard and the the radio chap let it go on without telling him that no way they are comparable but why stop Villa fans ranting!A bloke (who by the way keeps saying the annoying phrase 'Nigel you'll know this as well as me/better than me') rang WM tonight to say we miss Westwood and that Hourihane is no better than us and by the way we aren't good enough.
I heard that and that's where someone with a bit of nous would have pulled him up and said that they are different types of midfielder and therefore a comparison is a bit pointless. Not Franksy though.
Post by: Ad@m on April 02, 2017, 11:00:16 PM
It's really not that hard Bruce - play the lad in the position he's good at or it's a waste of a shirt!
Post by: tomd2103 on April 02, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
Yes heard and the the radio chap let it go on without telling him that no way they are comparable but why stop Villa fans ranting!A bloke (who by the way keeps saying the annoying phrase 'Nigel you'll know this as well as me/better than me') rang WM tonight to say we miss Westwood and that Hourihane is no better than us and by the way we aren't good enough.
I heard that and that's where someone with a bit of nous would have pulled him up and said that they are different types of midfielder and therefore a comparison is a bit pointless. Not Franksy though.
Yep. Franks should have pointed that out to the caller, told him that it is in fact Jedinak who is a like for like comparison with Westwood and then asked him who he would prefer out of those two.
Post by: BC Villain on April 10, 2017, 11:17:48 PM
Yes heard and the the radio chap let it go on without telling him that no way they are comparable but why stop Villa fans ranting!A bloke (who by the way keeps saying the annoying phrase 'Nigel you'll know this as well as me/better than me') rang WM tonight to say we miss Westwood and that Hourihane is no better than us and by the way we aren't good enough.
I heard that and that's where someone with a bit of nous would have pulled him up and said that they are different types of midfielder and therefore a comparison is a bit pointless. Not Franksy though.
Yep. Franks should have pointed that out to the caller, told him that it is in fact Jedinak who is a like for like comparison with Westwood and then asked him who he would prefer out of those two.
It's Franks. Why let facts get in the way of a chance to let someone have a sly dig?
Post by: olaftab on April 15, 2017, 06:36:32 PM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 15, 2017, 09:25:38 PM
Possibly did more than Lansbury
Really great left foot. Needs to start imposing himself more. That short corner to Atrocious Adoma, why?
Post by: Ad@m on April 16, 2017, 10:12:35 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 26, 2017, 02:45:41 PM
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2017, 03:20:25 PM
We can sign the best players in the world but as Adam rightly points out above, unless we play them in their best position don't expect them to deliver their best.
That's my biggest criticism of Bruce this season, it's just a very vanilla, old school, transfer-window-by numbers approach. That lad from Brentford has scored a few goals, we'll have him, and the Irish lad from Barnsley has set a few up, let's have him as well. Very little thought seems to have gone in to it.
Hogan and Kodjia are two extremely different types of player, but there doesn't seem to be a plan for is they play together, or if one replaces the other. Same with Hourihane, he should be absolutely setting the place alight, but the lack of a settled formation and style of play means that we're not seeing the best of many players.
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
The other thing I'd say is that the purchases aren't just down to Bruce, they clearly have a strategy that has Round and Wyness involved too.
My personal feeling is that going straight back up would have set us up to fail. Another season and the building of a squad and team ethic surely will help?
Post by: peter w on April 26, 2017, 03:42:36 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 26, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
Whisper it quietly but it may take 2 more seasons. Next season to get the side better in terms of tempo and personnel, and then the 3rd season to rip the league up.
Sorry buddy but we clearly do not have that long
We have expensive players on big (for championship) pay contracts and the money drops off next year
We would lose / have to sell our better players to support those on fat contracts not able to be sold or move on (think we have seen this somewhere before)
Next season or shit creek in my mind
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2017, 04:46:59 PM
I agree, but we've signed so many that trying out formations and positions until we get the best out of them seems like a good idea. It's not as if they're bedding in to a settled team/squad.
The other thing I'd say is that the purchases aren't just down to Bruce, they clearly have a strategy that has Round and Wyness involved too.
My personal feeling is that going straight back up would have set us up to fail. Another season and the building of a squad and team ethic surely will help?
Your might have a point on the last bit, but what happens if we lose say, Kodjia and Chester in the summer? We're then scouting around for a new set of players, and all of the old excuses will come out again.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2017, 05:21:50 PM
We can sign the best players in the world but as Adam rightly points out above, unless we play them in their best position don't expect them to deliver their best.
That's my biggest criticism of Bruce this season, it's just a very vanilla, old school, transfer-window-by numbers approach. That lad from Brentford has scored a few goals, we'll have him, and the Irish lad from Barnsley has set a few up, let's have him as well. Very little thought seems to have gone in to it.
Hogan and Kodjia are two extremely different types of player, but there doesn't seem to be a plan for is they play together, or if one replaces the other. Same with Hourihane, he should be absolutely setting the place alight, but the lack of a settled formation and style of play means that we're not seeing the best of many players.
As I understand it Bruce has the final say on transfers but it is but the scouting etc comes from elsewhere so any blame, or praise, is a collective rather than an individual issue. My view is that the work in January was done, to a large extent, with next season in mind. How they perform as a team, rather than as individuals, following a pre season together will be when they and Bruce can be fairly assessed.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 26, 2017, 06:13:10 PM
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2017, 06:20:43 PM
We can sign the best players in the world but as Adam rightly points out above, unless we play them in their best position don't expect them to deliver their best.
That's my biggest criticism of Bruce this season, it's just a very vanilla, old school, transfer-window-by numbers approach. That lad from Brentford has scored a few goals, we'll have him, and the Irish lad from Barnsley has set a few up, let's have him as well. Very little thought seems to have gone in to it.
Hogan and Kodjia are two extremely different types of player, but there doesn't seem to be a plan for is they play together, or if one replaces the other. Same with Hourihane, he should be absolutely setting the place alight, but the lack of a settled formation and style of play means that we're not seeing the best of many players.
As I understand it Bruce has the final say on transfers but it is but the scouting etc comes from elsewhere so any blame, or praise, is a collective rather than an individual issue. My view is that the work in January was done, to a large extent, with next season in mind. How they perform as a team, rather than as individuals, following a pre season together will be when they and Bruce can be fairly assessed.
I really dislike the "needs a pre-season" argument. Why are we showing very little in the way of improvement at the latter end of the season despite the 30 odd games Bruce has had in charge. Why is three weeks of training in July and a friendly against Walsall better preparation than training all season and playing actual league games? Some players will leave, and some new ones will arrive, so it's not even that we'll start next season with the same squad we finish this one with.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
We can sign the best players in the world but as Adam rightly points out above, unless we play them in their best position don't expect them to deliver their best.
That's my biggest criticism of Bruce this season, it's just a very vanilla, old school, transfer-window-by numbers approach. That lad from Brentford has scored a few goals, we'll have him, and the Irish lad from Barnsley has set a few up, let's have him as well. Very little thought seems to have gone in to it.
Hogan and Kodjia are two extremely different types of player, but there doesn't seem to be a plan for is they play together, or if one replaces the other. Same with Hourihane, he should be absolutely setting the place alight, but the lack of a settled formation and style of play means that we're not seeing the best of many players.
As I understand it Bruce has the final say on transfers but it is but the scouting etc comes from elsewhere so any blame, or praise, is a collective rather than an individual issue. My view is that the work in January was done, to a large extent, with next season in mind. How they perform as a team, rather than as individuals, following a pre season together will be when they and Bruce can be fairly assessed.
I really dislike the "needs a pre-season" argument. Why are we showing very little in the way of improvement at the latter end of the season despite the 30 odd games Bruce has had in chjarge. Why is three weeks of training in July and a friendly against Walsall better preparation than training all season and playing actual league games? Some players will leave, and some new ones will arrive, so it's not even that we'll start next season with the same squad we finish this one with.
And yet clubs that are more settled going into the season appear to have a better chance than those that go through the type of churn we have over the last 12 months. It also seems to be the accepted wisdom amongst the professionals involved in the game. Of course we will change one or two but the core of the squad is now established, it is inconceivable that we will see anything approaching that level of change again.
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2017, 07:22:27 PM
We can sign the best players in the world but as Adam rightly points out above, unless we play them in their best position don't expect them to deliver their best.
That's my biggest criticism of Bruce this season, it's just a very vanilla, old school, transfer-window-by numbers approach. That lad from Brentford has scored a few goals, we'll have him, and the Irish lad from Barnsley has set a few up, let's have him as well. Very little thought seems to have gone in to it.
Hogan and Kodjia are two extremely different types of player, but there doesn't seem to be a plan for is they play together, or if one replaces the other. Same with Hourihane, he should be absolutely setting the place alight, but the lack of a settled formation and style of play means that we're not seeing the best of many players.
As I understand it Bruce has the final say on transfers but it is but the scouting etc comes from elsewhere so any blame, or praise, is a collective rather than an individual issue. My view is that the work in January was done, to a large extent, with next season in mind. How they perform as a team, rather than as individuals, following a pre season together will be when they and Bruce can be fairly assessed.
I really dislike the "needs a pre-season" argument. Why are we showing very little in the way of improvement at the latter end of the season despite the 30 odd games Bruce has had in chjarge. Why is three weeks of training in July and a friendly against Walsall better preparation than training all season and playing actual league games? Some players will leave, and some new ones will arrive, so it's not even that we'll start next season with the same squad we finish this one with.
And yet clubs that are more settled going into the season appear to have a better chance than those that go through the type of churn we have over the last 12 months. It also seems to be the accepted wisdom amongst the professionals involved in the game. Of course we will change one or two but the core of the squad is now established, it is inconceivable that we will see anything approaching that level of change again.
I'm with Risso on this. A pre-season does help in a number of ways but we're not going to suddenly change the way we play and look like a different team. Bruce has had more time than anyone since Lambert and yet we're still making the same basic mistakes multiple times every game and every game he comes out afterwards and says we need to improve. Hourihane and Lansbury don't look anything special because we're playing them out of position and Hogan looks lost because he's not got anyone within 30 yards of him for 90% of the match. These aren't the sort of things that should have to wait until the summer, especially when we've had 5-6 'dead' games at the end of the season to use to try things out.
Aside from that Bruce doesn't have a great record of settling on a squad and making 1-2 adjustments when he has a bit of money to spend, 6-7 signings in the summer is his average if you look into it and everything he's said about the summer hints towards a lot more ins and outs so I don't think the 'settled squad' side of it holds up to much scrutiny.
Post by: KRS on April 26, 2017, 07:31:35 PM
Personally I agree with (what appears to be) the majority that Bruce is an old school manager and what we've been seeing is the Bruce way, and that is unlikely to change...however, until Wyness and Xia roll the dice it is up to Bruce to prove us wrong...or prove us right.
Post by: paul richard on April 26, 2017, 09:09:01 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
Grasping at straws here a little but may be the pressure of getting results during the season in order to avoid a relegation fight has forced his hand some what in terms of the tried and tested tactics that Bruce has been using, and as a result, he has had to play certain players out of position in order to do that. In addition, if there are a few pieces to the jigsaw missing that doesn't allow Bruce to set up the team utilising the players in their correct positions and with a more attacking style of play then he's even more inclined to stick to the tried and tested formula.
Personally I agree with (what appears to be) the majority that Bruce is an old school manager and what we've been seeing is the Bruce way, and that is unlikely to change...however, until Wyness and Xia roll the dice it is up to Bruce to prove us wrong...or prove us right.
I don't think you're clutching at straws at all, I think you're bang on the money.
I also think that that pragmatism is exactly what we get from employing him over a more adventurous coach, and would argue it was exactly what was required to stop us potentially free falling straight out of this division this season.
Post by: paul richard on April 26, 2017, 09:17:56 PM
Grasping at straws here a little but may be the pressure of getting results during the season in order to avoid a relegation fight has forced his hand some what in terms of the tried and tested tactics that Bruce has been using, and as a result, he has had to play certain players out of position in order to do that. In addition, if there are a few pieces to the jigsaw missing that doesn't allow Bruce to set up the team utilising the players in their correct positions and with a more attacking style of play then he's even more inclined to stick to the tried and tested formula.
Personally I agree with (what appears to be) the majority that Bruce is an old school manager and what we've been seeing is the Bruce way, and that is unlikely to change...however, until Wyness and Xia roll the dice it is up to Bruce to prove us wrong...or prove us right.
I don't think you're clutching at straws at all, I think you're bang on the money.
I also think that that pragmatism is exactly what we get from employing him over a more adventurous coach, and would argue it was exactly what was required to stop us potentially free falling straight out of this division this season.
Agreed, but at some stage pragmatism has to morph into something much more positive. We won't get out of this league playing as we are right now. Is Bruce the man to change things for the better?
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2017, 09:30:56 PM
Grasping at straws here a little but may be the pressure of getting results during the season in order to avoid a relegation fight has forced his hand some what in terms of the tried and tested tactics that Bruce has been using, and as a result, he has had to play certain players out of position in order to do that. In addition, if there are a few pieces to the jigsaw missing that doesn't allow Bruce to set up the team utilising the players in their correct positions and with a more attacking style of play then he's even more inclined to stick to the tried and tested formula.
Personally I agree with (what appears to be) the majority that Bruce is an old school manager and what we've been seeing is the Bruce way, and that is unlikely to change...however, until Wyness and Xia roll the dice it is up to Bruce to prove us wrong...or prove us right.
I don't think you're clutching at straws at all, I think you're bang on the money.
I also think that that pragmatism is exactly what we get from employing him over a more adventurous coach, and would argue it was exactly what was required to stop us potentially free falling straight out of this division this season.
Agreed, but at some stage pragmatism has to morph into something much more positive. We won't get out of this league playing as we are right now. Is Bruce the man to change things for the better?
That's what no none us know, but then I'd argue that was the case for any realistic replacement too, many of which would come with much more risk.
We can look at his record and see that he's done it several times before with different clubs, which is a about as good an indicator of capability he could have, we can also argue that his teams haven't really been noted for their flair, but also he's not been considered part of the Pulis/Allardyce axis of football brutalists.
As the season ends, we have an experienced, respected manager, an engaged owner, Capable Keith Wyness and a team that has at least stopped being piss weak, something that had seemed ingrained forever.
I think changing the manager this summer would an act of absolute stupidity.
Post by: paul richard on April 26, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
On balance I agree, but we had better hit the ground running at the start of next season, both in terms of results and in style of play. The margin for error is very small.Grasping at straws here a little but may be the pressure of getting results during the season in order to avoid a relegation fight has forced his hand some what in terms of the tried and tested tactics that Bruce has been using, and as a result, he has had to play certain players out of position in order to do that. In addition, if there are a few pieces to the jigsaw missing that doesn't allow Bruce to set up the team utilising the players in their correct positions and with a more attacking style of play then he's even more inclined to stick to the tried and tested formula.
Personally I agree with (what appears to be) the majority that Bruce is an old school manager and what we've been seeing is the Bruce way, and that is unlikely to change...however, until Wyness and Xia roll the dice it is up to Bruce to prove us wrong...or prove us right.
I don't think you're clutching at straws at all, I think you're bang on the money.
I also think that that pragmatism is exactly what we get from employing him over a more adventurous coach, and would argue it was exactly what was required to stop us potentially free falling straight out of this division this season.
Agreed, but at some stage pragmatism has to morph into something much more positive. We won't get out of this league playing as we are right now. Is Bruce the man to change things for the better?
That's what no none us know, but then I'd argue that was the case for any realistic replacement too, many of which would come with much more risk.
We can look at his record and see that he's done it several times before with different clubs, which is a about as good an indicator of capability he could have, we can also argue that his teams haven't really been noted for their flair, but also he's not been considered part of the Pulis/Allardyce axis of football brutalists.
As the season ends, we have an experienced, respected manager, an engaged owner, Capable Keith Wyness and a team that has at least stopped being piss weak, something that had seemed ingrained forever.
I think changing the manager this summer would an act of absolute stupidity.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2017, 10:26:04 PM
On balance I agree, but we had better hit the ground running at the start of next season, both in terms of results and in style of play. The margin for error is very small.Grasping at straws here a little but may be the pressure of getting results during the season in order to avoid a relegation fight has forced his hand some what in terms of the tried and tested tactics that Bruce has been using, and as a result, he has had to play certain players out of position in order to do that. In addition, if there are a few pieces to the jigsaw missing that doesn't allow Bruce to set up the team utilising the players in their correct positions and with a more attacking style of play then he's even more inclined to stick to the tried and tested formula.
Personally I agree with (what appears to be) the majority that Bruce is an old school manager and what we've been seeing is the Bruce way, and that is unlikely to change...however, until Wyness and Xia roll the dice it is up to Bruce to prove us wrong...or prove us right.
I don't think you're clutching at straws at all, I think you're bang on the money.
I also think that that pragmatism is exactly what we get from employing him over a more adventurous coach, and would argue it was exactly what was required to stop us potentially free falling straight out of this division this season.
Agreed, but at some stage pragmatism has to morph into something much more positive. We won't get out of this league playing as we are right now. Is Bruce the man to change things for the better?
That's what no none us know, but then I'd argue that was the case for any realistic replacement too, many of which would come with much more risk.
We can look at his record and see that he's done it several times before with different clubs, which is a about as good an indicator of capability he could have, we can also argue that his teams haven't really been noted for their flair, but also he's not been considered part of the Pulis/Allardyce axis of football brutalists.
As the season ends, we have an experienced, respected manager, an engaged owner, Capable Keith Wyness and a team that has at least stopped being piss weak, something that had seemed ingrained forever.
I think changing the manager this summer would an act of absolute stupidity.
We have to be more consistent over the whole season but the margin for error is not that small. Newcastle are going up having lost 10 games for example and there are teams in the play offs who have lost only two games fewer than us.
Post by: paul richard on April 26, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
OK well it's a question of interpretation. Without being selective on statistics, the teams in the top 6 have all won many more games than us, and have generally done so with a style of play streets ahead of ours. We have considerable ground to make up. I think it can be done, but we will need a couple of players in with the creativity and drive that seems so absent from our performances just now, and we will need Bruce to make the right calls. I maintain that there's very little margin for error in that. If we don't start well, and find ourselves, say, outside the top 6 by October, then Bruce will be on thin ice.On balance I agree, but we had better hit the ground running at the start of next season, both in terms of results and in style of play. The margin for error is very small.Grasping at straws here a little but may be the pressure of getting results during the season in order to avoid a relegation fight has forced his hand some what in terms of the tried and tested tactics that Bruce has been using, and as a result, he has had to play certain players out of position in order to do that. In addition, if there are a few pieces to the jigsaw missing that doesn't allow Bruce to set up the team utilising the players in their correct positions and with a more attacking style of play then he's even more inclined to stick to the tried and tested formula.
Personally I agree with (what appears to be) the majority that Bruce is an old school manager and what we've been seeing is the Bruce way, and that is unlikely to change...however, until Wyness and Xia roll the dice it is up to Bruce to prove us wrong...or prove us right.
I don't think you're clutching at straws at all, I think you're bang on the money.
I also think that that pragmatism is exactly what we get from employing him over a more adventurous coach, and would argue it was exactly what was required to stop us potentially free falling straight out of this division this season.
Agreed, but at some stage pragmatism has to morph into something much more positive. We won't get out of this league playing as we are right now. Is Bruce the man to change things for the better?
That's what no none us know, but then I'd argue that was the case for any realistic replacement too, many of which would come with much more risk.
We can look at his record and see that he's done it several times before with different clubs, which is a about as good an indicator of capability he could have, we can also argue that his teams haven't really been noted for their flair, but also he's not been considered part of the Pulis/Allardyce axis of football brutalists.
As the season ends, we have an experienced, respected manager, an engaged owner, Capable Keith Wyness and a team that has at least stopped being piss weak, something that had seemed ingrained forever.
I think changing the manager this summer would an act of absolute stupidity.
We have to be more consistent over the whole season but the margin for error is not that small. Newcastle are going up having lost 10 games for example and there are teams in the play offs who have lost only two games fewer than us.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2017, 06:22:42 AM
This league is shit. More creative quality is needed. It mT be that we can squeeze a lot more out of the likes of Lansbury hourihane grealish and green
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2017, 09:35:29 AM
We need to win some more away games, only 4 won all season is pathetic.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2017, 11:15:39 AM
OK well it's a question of interpretation. Without being selective on statistics, the teams in the top 6 have all won many more games than us, and have generally done so with a style of play streets ahead of ours. We have considerable ground to make up. I think it can be done, but we will need a couple of players in with the creativity and drive that seems so absent from our performances just now, and we will need Bruce to make the right calls. I maintain that there's very little margin for error in that. If we don't start well, and find ourselves, say, outside the top 6 by October, then Bruce will be on thin ice.
I think Bruce is already on thin ice, it's just the thought and fear of having to replace him is keeping him in the job for next season, plus beating the Rags obviously helped. If we'd lost that game his future would have been far less certain and serious questions would have been asked.
If I could see just a glimmer of what Bruce is trying to achieve I'd be supportive of him for next season but right now I just don't see it. The only thing he's changed since taking over from RDM is getting the players to put in more effort, a standard requirement in this division. With the squad we have, the most expensive every assembled in this league, you'd hope and expect a little bit more than hard work. You say we need a couple of creative players but how certain are you Bruce wouldn't play them out of position or to their strengths?
If he is to stay, I wish him all the best as the thought of trying to find a replacement for him mid-season scares me. We need to learn from that mistake and never, ever repeat it.
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2017, 11:18:44 AM
Our home form is easily top 6.
We need to win some more away games, only 4 won all season is pathetic.
Win more games, and score more goals. We have to absolutely annihilate this division next season. My worry is that a few weeks after Xia (or Wyness, forget who) saying that we'd only be adding two or three key players to the squad in the summer, Bruce was quoted after the Blues match as saying he still had a lot of dead wood to get rid of.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2017, 11:26:44 AM
Our home form is easily top 6.
We need to win some more away games, only 4 won all season is pathetic.
Win more games, and score more goals. We have to absolutely annihilate this division next season. My worry is that a few weeks after Xia (or Wyness, forget who) saying that we'd only be adding two or three key players to the squad in the summer, Bruce was quoted after the Blues match as saying he still had a lot of dead wood to get rid of.
I wouldn't worry too much. Don't we have something like 12 players out on loan? Then there's a few in this squad that we need to move on. Bringing in 3 "key" players makes sense whilst losing those that we don't need sounds about right.
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2017, 11:29:06 AM
Our home form is easily top 6.
We need to win some more away games, only 4 won all season is pathetic.
Win more games, and score more goals. We have to absolutely annihilate this division next season. My worry is that a few weeks after Xia (or Wyness, forget who) saying that we'd only be adding two or three key players to the squad in the summer, Bruce was quoted after the Blues match as saying he still had a lot of dead wood to get rid of.
I wouldn't worry too much. Don't we have something like 12 players out on loan? Then there's a few in this squad that we need to move on. Bringing in 3 "key" players makes sense whilst losing those that we don't need sounds about right.
True, but given as he was speaking after another poor performance, it sounded to me like he wanted to do a big rebuild.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 27, 2017, 11:34:23 AM
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If I could see just a glimmer of what Bruce is trying to achieve I'd be supportive of him for next season but right now I just don't see it. The only thing he's changed since taking over from RDM is getting the players to put in more effort, a standard requirement in this division. With the squad we have, the most expensive every assembled in this league, you'd hope and expect a little bit more than hard work. You say we need a couple of creative players but how certain are you Bruce wouldn't play them out of position or to their strengths?
very well put
Considering he bought the 2 top ranked box to box midfielders and one of the leading scores in the division and then proceeded to tactic / coach their ability to be underutilised and wasted worries me the most
Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
Considering he bought the 2 top ranked box to box midfielders and one of the leading scores in the division and then proceeded to tactic / coach their ability to be underutilised and wasted worries me the most
100% this. Being able to see the problem and being able to see a player that could resolve it is great, doing that and then playing them in a different role is just odd.
True, but given as he was speaking after another poor performance, it sounded to me like he wanted to do a big rebuild.
I'm honestly not sure he can control himself in that regard. As I said earlier over all the seasons I could be bothered to check he averages about 7 signings (and about 4 in January). I just don't see that changing. I can see 3-4 gaps he will want to fill (winger with pace, backup centre half, target man, keeper) and that's without anyone leaving (except maybe Johnstone hence keeper is included). Amavi looks like going so we'll need another left back, that' half a team already and there's bound to be another couple in and out. Even bringing someone like Veretout back and trying to get him involved would mean a new face for most of the squad.
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
OK well it's a question of interpretation. Without being selective on statistics, the teams in the top 6 have all won many more games than us, and have generally done so with a style of play streets ahead of ours. We have considerable ground to make up. I think it can be done, but we will need a couple of players in with the creativity and drive that seems so absent from our performances just now, and we will need Bruce to make the right calls. I maintain that there's very little margin for error in that. If we don't start well, and find ourselves, say, outside the top 6 by October, then Bruce will be on thin ice.
I think Bruce is already on thin ice, it's just the thought and fear of having to replace him is keeping him in the job for next season, plus beating the Rags obviously helped. If we'd lost that game his future would have been far less certain and serious questions would have been asked.
If I could see just a glimmer of what Bruce is trying to achieve I'd be supportive of him for next season but right now I just don't see it. The only thing he's changed since taking over from RDM is getting the players to put in more effort, a standard requirement in this division. With the squad we have, the most expensive every assembled in this league, you'd hope and expect a little bit more than hard work. You say we need a couple of creative players but how certain are you Bruce wouldn't play them out of position or to their strengths?
If he is to stay, I wish him all the best as the thought of trying to find a replacement for him mid-season scares me. We need to learn from that mistake and never, ever repeat it.
Agree with most of that.
After the 1-1 draw against the Rags in October and the recent 1-0, the stock response is level of performance doesn't matter in a derby. It's all about the result. The issue with that is we've continued to play that way for most of Bruce's tenure, suggesting it is more design than accident at this point.
And speaking of derbies; the Barnsley side that beat Leeds with Hourihane and Bree in it in January did so by playing football. There is another way. We have just been conditioned into thinking derby/ this league = attritional boofball is required.
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2017, 02:46:03 PM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2017, 09:08:03 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2017, 08:52:27 PM
I haven't been conditioned, just aware that getting from being utterly hopeless for half a decade and the first third of this season to a fluid, attractive team may require a period of dull pragmatism in between.
I'm on record as agreeing with everything you post, LeeB, but when have you ever seen a Steve Bruce team play fluid, attractive football? If you can think of a time, then now think of all the times you've seen his teams play lumpen, cold-porridge-on-a-winter-Tuesday football.
He seems to be a lovely bloke, but he was brought in in October to do one specific thing, and he's got nowhere near. You don't build a future around Steve Bruce.
Post by: The_Rev1 on April 30, 2017, 11:21:07 PM
Our home form is easily top 6.
We need to win some more away games, only 4 won all season is pathetic.
8th (43 points) at the moment, could go up to 6th if we beat Brighton 3-0 and Newcastle don't win their final home game. Could go up to 5th if we beat Brighton 17-0 and other results go our way. ;D
The away form is pathetic. 20th (18 points), could drop to 21st if Blackburn win their final game.
Post by: KevinGage on August 19, 2017, 11:03:54 PM
A slow start to his Villa career, it's fair to say -though much of that is down to Bruce's conservationism as much as anything else. With the arrival of Whelan, I thought he might be one we jettison with the new FFP fixation.
A regular goal getter from midfield is priceless. Not just because of the goals themselves. But because they spread panic in the opposing backline or tie up the defensive midfielder - invariably leaving gaps for other attackers to exploit.
Minus Kodjia, we have been far too predictable in the final third for far too long.
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2017, 11:08:39 PM
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2017, 11:58:04 PM
His link-up with Green and Taylor was superb today and plying his trade in and around the lefthand side of the box is his natural place it appears. Long may it continue.
Only saw it last season in a cameo when came on as sub against Bristol City and was allowed to get forward and run beyond the ball. He scored that night if I remember as well. Looked a totally different player today and played with a lot more confidence.
Post by: passitsideways on August 20, 2017, 12:57:22 AM
Could've actually had a couple more too - although that's partly a reflection of how bad Norwich were.
Post by: nodge on August 20, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2017, 05:55:22 AM
Post by: manny87 on August 20, 2017, 09:41:21 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2017, 09:45:47 AM
Post by: TheMalandro on August 20, 2017, 09:56:56 AM
and we now know he's got it in the locker to be part of a promotion chasing side.
I hope he stays.
Post by: Villa75 on August 20, 2017, 10:09:44 AM
I hope this gives him a massive boost, so he can fulfill his potential with us from now on.
Post by: Dave on August 20, 2017, 10:11:38 AM
Anyone know who the last villa midfielder was to grab a hat trick?
Scott Sinclair if you count him as a midfielder, David Platt if you don't.
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 20, 2017, 10:17:57 AM
Anyone know who the last villa midfielder was to grab a hat trick?
I asked the same question on the post match thread Manny and answers came back from those more knowledgeable than me that it was either Carbone, Sinclair or Platt. It depends if we are looking at League matches only rather than Cup games and whether the players in question were actually playing in Midfield. The one that I remember is Gary Shelton against, I think, Arsenal, going way back but I am at an age when memory is not my greatest gift.I think it is fair to say that it has been a sodding long time and yesterday it was just great to see midfielders threatening to score ( Whelan had a couple of good volleys on target as well).
Post by: Matt Collins on August 20, 2017, 11:50:00 AM
Anyone know who the last villa midfielder was to grab a hat trick?
Scott Sinclair if you count him as a midfielder, David Platt if you don't.
Anyone know who the last villa midfielder was to grab a hat trick?
Scott Sinclair if you count him as a midfielder, David Platt if you don't.
Sinclair was playing up front when he scored that hat trick
Carbone was a no 10 I guess but pretty sure he was up w Joachim and Merson behind them
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2017, 12:00:19 PM
Also clear we've badly mis-used him on the pitch so far.
Hopefully he becomes as integral to our midfield as Jedinak/Whelan are.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2017, 12:07:48 PM
It's clear the guy is a quality player at this level.
Also clear we've badly mis-used him on the pitch so far.
Hopefully he becomes as integral to our midfield as Jedinak/Whelan are.
I think it has perhaps taken him time time to adjust to the step up in terms of club size and expectation. The balance looked right yesterday and he and Whelan look like a good pairing.
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 20, 2017, 12:31:06 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2017, 12:59:29 PM
What I liked most yesterday was his first, because when your central midfielders are scoring tap-ins it means the team as whole is functioning well. Long may he score tap-ins this season!point well made.
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2017, 01:56:03 PM
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2017, 02:28:27 PM
I do wonder had all been fit if Bruce would have even started him yesterday. The story about Brighton being interested doesn't shock, he is a very good footballer. We should be building a team around him and letting him play like we did yesterday. I think Bruce would be on thin ice if he sold him now. How on earth did Bacuna start ahead of him on the opening day FFS!
He didn't exactly stand out v Colchester nor Cardiff bar last 20 mins. But he is our most talented player . Key is having a centre forward that can bring him into the play. That's neither Hogan or Kodjia strength.
Post by: LeeB on August 20, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
fI do wonder had all been fit if Bruce would have even started him yesterday. The story about Brighton being interested doesn't shock, he is a very good footballer. We should be building a team around him and letting him play like we did yesterday. I think Bruce would be on thin ice if he sold him now. How on earth did Bacuna start ahead of him on the opening day FFS!
He didn't exactly stand out v Colchester nor Cardiff bar last 20 mins. But he is our most talented player . Key is having a centre forward that can bring him into the play. That's neither Hogan or Kodjia strength.
I agree, and wonder what the same would do for Grealish when he comes back.
Post by: Villafirst on August 20, 2017, 09:15:27 PM
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Post by: Ads on August 20, 2017, 09:28:43 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2017, 10:13:25 PM
fI do wonder had all been fit if Bruce would have even started him yesterday. The story about Brighton being interested doesn't shock, he is a very good footballer. We should be building a team around him and letting him play like we did yesterday. I think Bruce would be on thin ice if he sold him now. How on earth did Bacuna start ahead of him on the opening day FFS!
He didn't exactly stand out v Colchester nor Cardiff bar last 20 mins. But he is our most talented player . Key is having a centre forward that can bring him into the play. That's neither Hogan or Kodjia strength.
I agree, and wonder what the same would do for Grealish when he comes back.
Also agree, but can't see where Grealish would fit into that particular system. A midfield three with Hourihane and Onomah pushing on, with Whelan sweeping up behind them would be the best set up at the moment.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 20, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2017, 10:39:12 PM
Can't see it happening but if Brighton did sign him I would never hear the end of it. Already had dumb comments made like "sorry but we need him".
"I know, you couldn't even beat the shittest Villa side in over 40 years" is a potential response.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 20, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
Can't see it happening but if Brighton did sign him I would never hear the end of it. Already had dumb comments made like "sorry but we need him".
"I know, you couldn't even beat the shittest Villa side in over 40 years" is a potential response.
Ha ha. Twice!
Post by: olaftab on August 20, 2017, 10:47:27 PM
Rumour that Brighton want Hourihane. Source? ....B'ham Mail and The Sun!Brighton...hahahaha. They really should know their status in the football pecking order.
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
Post by: passitsideways on August 21, 2017, 12:55:25 AM
Interesting about his comments re his aims now - wants to be in double figures and stays behind to work on his finishing after training every day. Also spoke about how easy it is to play of Davis, and that he always makes the ball stick to him, even in training. Huge asset to have in his game at only 19.
Would be a big boost if he can reach that and we can get, say, 20-25 goals spread across all the other midfielders (Green, Lansbury, Onomah, Elmo, Adomah)
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2017, 10:21:29 AM
Post by: darren woolley on August 21, 2017, 10:27:11 AM
Post by: KRS on August 21, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
Post by: Ads on August 21, 2017, 10:53:12 AM
Post by: KRS on August 21, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
I imagine we'd be able to fend Brighton off.It would have to be quite some offer for us to even contemplate it given the transfer fees in the PL and that he's got 3 years left on his contract.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2017, 11:14:20 AM
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
Post by: Mister E on August 21, 2017, 12:07:36 PM
You have to laugh, 1 late goal midweek and a stunning Hattrick Saturday and he's being linked with a move away all of a sudden. You've got to laugh at the press. No doubt if Davies plays well again on Tuesday the Suns back page will read 'Keen-On Davies' 'Chelsea and Man City to battle for teenage sensation'....Davies?
Who that then? :-)
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2017, 12:51:20 PM
You have to laugh, 1 late goal midweek and a stunning Hattrick Saturday and he's being linked with a move away all of a sudden. You've got to laugh at the press. No doubt if Davies plays well again on Tuesday the Suns back page will read 'Keen-On Davies' 'Chelsea and Man City to battle for teenage sensation'....
What Mr Griswold said. Had he not scored that hat-trick on Saturday, that article would probably never have been written.
Post by: darren woolley on August 21, 2017, 03:42:43 PM
You have to laugh, 1 late goal midweek and a stunning Hattrick Saturday and he's being linked with a move away all of a sudden. You've got to laugh at the press. No doubt if Davies plays well again on Tuesday the Suns back page will read 'Keen-On Davies' 'Chelsea and Man City to battle for teenage sensation'....
What Mr Griswold said. Had he not scored that hat-trick on Saturday, that article would probably never have been written.
Agreed.
Post by: Matt Collins on August 21, 2017, 06:29:51 PM
I wish he'd been right
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2017, 10:56:03 PM
As you said yesterday...I imagine we'd be able to fend Brighton off.It would have to be quite some offer for us to even contemplate it given the transfer fees in the PL and that he's got 3 years left on his contract.
If Clucas is going to Swansea for 16.5m from Hull, then Hourihane is worth around 20!
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 21, 2017, 11:29:42 PM
Speaks well in his interview on the OS after the game on Sat. Big praise for Davis. Seems a very level headed bloke, I really hope this week is the start of him playing to his potential because he was bloody brilliant at Barnsley.
Pretty much thought the same. Deserved all the success after the shift he put in on Saturday. Long may it continue.
Post by: darren woolley on August 22, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
Post by: IFWaters on September 23, 2017, 07:35:01 PM
Post by: Villa75 on September 23, 2017, 07:42:40 PM
Glad he fucked Snodgrass off for the free kick.
Post by: Matt Collins on September 23, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
Wish he was a bit more confident on the ball in open play - he plays more backwards passes than Westwood ever did
Post by: Ads on September 23, 2017, 07:58:22 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on September 23, 2017, 08:06:18 PM
Post by: Ad@m on September 23, 2017, 08:32:16 PM
Needs to be more advanced but playing two wingers means he cant. Like him a lot
He can play advanced with two wingers - that's how he got his hat trick against Norwich. But you probably have to sacrifice a striker. But if the one up top is someone who can hold the ball up and give the likes of Hourihane time to get up to support it works. Make Hogan the one up top and it really doesn't.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
Post by: Matt Collins on December 02, 2017, 10:49:14 PM
I’d give Angela a start v Millwall
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 02, 2017, 10:55:04 PM
Post by: Ad@m on December 02, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
Come on Brucie, it's not that hard.
Post by: Chris Smith on December 03, 2017, 12:02:17 AM
Post by: villan from luton on December 03, 2017, 12:06:26 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 03, 2017, 12:32:22 AM
He is a creative midfield player yet he is being asked to run and close gaps along side Whelan.
The way Bruce sets us up we are often getting over run in midfield.
Post by: Ads on December 03, 2017, 08:09:52 AM
Post by: Risso on December 03, 2017, 09:24:15 AM
We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
Post by: Chris Smith on December 03, 2017, 09:32:24 AM
We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
True they dominated us at the start but the difference from Wolves was that they looked a threat whereas Leeds only managed one shot on target.
Post by: Clampy on December 03, 2017, 09:39:52 AM
We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
True they dominated us at the start but the difference from Wolves was that they looked a threat whereas Leeds only managed one shot on target.
This. Did Johnstone make a save all game against Leeds? Wolves were miles better than us though but they've been miles better than most teams.
Post by: brontebilly on December 03, 2017, 10:35:18 AM
I think he is being asked to play a role that does not come naturally to him.
He is a creative midfield player yet he is being asked to run and close gaps along side Whelan.
The way Bruce sets us up we are often getting over run in midfield.
I thought at Barnsley that he played the role of the deep lying playmaker as part of a sitting 2? I think we look a lot more compact with 2 sitting midfielders but agree it's impacted Hourihane's performances. As others have said, swapping Onomah and Hourihane might work better, even for parts of games.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 03, 2017, 12:54:19 PM
First half Blose, I am trying to point out that we are often 2 v 3 in the centre mid and Hourihane is being asked to spend more time defending.We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
Of course because this Is taken as a criticism of the manager it gets jumped on by the usual suspects.
Sad we can not even debate team set up.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 03, 2017, 01:00:54 PM
First half Blose, I am trying to point out that we are often 2 v 3 in the centre mid and Hourihane is being asked to spend more time defending.We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
Of course because this Is taken as a criticism of the manager it gets jumped on by the usual suspects.
Sad we can not even debate team set up.
Bollocks. You get as much chance to debate as anyone else does. You've never been prevented, you've never been stopped and as for being "jumped on" it's getting a bit tiresome when the "Poor me" bit is wheeled out yet again. If you don't want anyone to ever disagree with you or if you're not happy on here, go somewhere else.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 03, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
I was genuinely trying to have a discussion about the player on the thread and the way the manager sets the team up and said impact on the player and the team.First half Blose, I am trying to point out that we are often 2 v 3 in the centre mid and Hourihane is being asked to spend more time defending.We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
Of course because this Is taken as a criticism of the manager it gets jumped on by the usual suspects.
Sad we can not even debate team set up.
Bollocks. You get as much chance to debate as anyone else does. You've never been prevented, you've never been stopped and as for being "jumped on" it's getting a bit tiresome when the "Poor me" bit is wheeled out yet again. If you don't want anyone to ever disagree with you or if you're not happy on here, go somewhere else.
That’s all.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 03, 2017, 01:45:51 PM
We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
First half Sheff Weds. They had us chasing shadows.
I agree with Bronté. We have options in midfield and see Whelan as a better defensive midfielder, Omanah better deeper but with some freedom and Hourihane (and Lansbury) further up the pitch or at least going box to box. Until we get the midfield functioning to their strengths and potential we'll continue to have the 3rd best defence but only the 9th best attack. Even with our striker injuries there's plenty of goals in this side and it's something we need to improve.
It's still early days but I honestly believe once we do click we'll smashing a few teams.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 03, 2017, 01:51:23 PM
I was genuinely trying to have a discussion about the player on the thread and the way the manager sets the team up and said impact on the player and the team.First half Blose, I am trying to point out that we are often 2 v 3 in the centre mid and Hourihane is being asked to spend more time defending.We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
Of course because this Is taken as a criticism of the manager it gets jumped on by the usual suspects.
Sad we can not even debate team set up.
Bollocks. You get as much chance to debate as anyone else does. You've never been prevented, you've never been stopped and as for being "jumped on" it's getting a bit tiresome when the "Poor me" bit is wheeled out yet again. If you don't want anyone to ever disagree with you or if you're not happy on here, go somewhere else.
That’s all.
And you got one.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 03, 2017, 03:06:16 PM
We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
First half Sheff Weds. They had us chasing shadows.
I agree with Bronté. We have options in midfield and see Whelan as a better defensive midfielder, Omanah better deeper but with some freedom and Hourihane (and Lansbury) further up the pitch or at least going box to box. Until we get the midfield functioning to their strengths and potential we'll continue to have the 3rd best defence but only the 9th best attack. Even with our striker injuries there's plenty of goals in this side and it's something we need to improve.
It's still early days but I honestly believe once we do click we'll smashing a few teams.
I think our best set up in midfield would be a three with Whelan and Jedinak holding and with Onomah and Hourihane pushed further up like they were against Norwich. The problem with that formation is when you come up against a side who also play with a holding midfielder (Brentford at home this season is a good example). Not only did Davis get very isolated because they had a player in front of him, but Onomah and Hourihane ended up getting pushed back and Whelan ended up picking up no one.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 03, 2017, 06:40:41 PM
We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
First half Sheff Weds. They had us chasing shadows.
I agree with Bronté. We have options in midfield and see Whelan as a better defensive midfielder, Omanah better deeper but with some freedom and Hourihane (and Lansbury) further up the pitch or at least going box to box. Until we get the midfield functioning to their strengths and potential we'll continue to have the 3rd best defence but only the 9th best attack. Even with our striker injuries there's plenty of goals in this side and it's something we need to improve.
It's still early days but I honestly believe once we do click we'll smashing a few teams.
I think our best set up in midfield would be a three with Whelan and Jedinak holding and with Onomah and Hourihane pushed further up like they were against Norwich.
Three?
Post by: class-of-82 on December 03, 2017, 07:42:35 PM
we play arguably the two worst teams in the division in Bolton and sunderland and we play a holding midfielder ???
if we was going to the camp nou or Allianz arena looking for a clean sheet I get it, but really at home to those teams and others.
I have been brought up on box to box midfielders not holding midfielders, who was our holding midfielder when we won the European cup or our league cup triumphs.
Post by: Risso on December 03, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
We were overrun in the second half at Wolves but I cannot recall that happening since.
First half against Leeds. 30% possession and second by miles to every ball.
First half Sheff Weds. They had us chasing shadows.
I agree with Bronté. We have options in midfield and see Whelan as a better defensive midfielder, Omanah better deeper but with some freedom and Hourihane (and Lansbury) further up the pitch or at least going box to box. Until we get the midfield functioning to their strengths and potential we'll continue to have the 3rd best defence but only the 9th best attack. Even with our striker injuries there's plenty of goals in this side and it's something we need to improve.
It's still early days but I honestly believe once we do click we'll smashing a few teams.
I think our best set up in midfield would be a three with Whelan and Jedinak holding and with Onomah and Hourihane pushed further up like they were against Norwich.
Three?
Presumably three in midfield at any one time, with either Onomah or Hourihane playing further up the field supporting Davis.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 03, 2017, 08:11:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2017, 09:11:31 PM
Or it’s an oblique reference to Jamie Redknapp’s in-commentary truism last season when he referred to Chelsea’s dominant midfield two of Kante on the right, Matic in the middle and Kante on the left.
To be fair, with Kante it’s not far off being true.
Post by: passitsideways on December 03, 2017, 11:12:55 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2018, 10:30:21 PM
One thing that has been so satisfying this season is that our midfield 4 or 5 are all capable of scoring which is an immense weapon as it keeps the opposition guessing as to who to focus on. Throw in Kodjia next season and we could have the makings of a decent mid table side and that's not taking into account players we might buy.
Post by: Ad@m on February 11, 2018, 10:38:15 PM
He's out of form at the moment and has been for a few weeks yet he still had the confidence and quality to score an absolute belter today.
If he can build the confidence to look forward a bit more often, the way Jack's started to, we'll have one hell of a player on our hands.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 11, 2018, 10:57:17 PM
@ConorHourihane 7h7 hours ago
What a day! What a feeling! The city is Claret and Blue!! UTV
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVw9JZdW0AA-Iak.jpg)
Post by: Diablo on February 11, 2018, 11:10:54 PM
Conor Hourihane Verified accountThat right there is a thing of beauty!! Fantastic goal.
@ConorHourihane 7h7 hours ago
What a day! What a feeling! The city is Claret and Blue!! UTV
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVw9JZdW0AA-Iak.jpg)
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 12, 2018, 02:18:16 AM
Sits back, and thinks what a wonderful day it's been....
Post by: footyskillz on February 12, 2018, 02:13:48 PM
Amazing strike by CH. Has a very great left foot when connecting accurately unstoppable.
He wasnt very apparent in the match overall and I felt he contributed very little. Disappointing in tackling and positioning play I think he wasn't quite sure on things. He made some good moves into the box and Hogan twice missed out on passing to him.
Forever will love the wow goal and hope as a performer his game gets better and he controls midfield. CH wasn't as apparent as Jedinak who won majority of duels. I like his play but yesterday he was struggling in being involved and seemed to be playing higher up. Anyway he gets goals that for sure a midfielder who provides this is great
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 12, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
Post by: JJ-AV on February 12, 2018, 02:41:30 PM
He reminds me a little of Sidwell. Except with more of a goal threat.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 12, 2018, 02:47:46 PM
His run into the box for the goal against Barnsley, the hat trick against Forest - all when moving forward. He came with a big reputation, especially on dead balls, and we have only seen it in spells especially now as Snodgrass is the considered specialist.
I think Conor is a very good championship player but I do not see enough to think he would be in the premiership - but hey lest worry about that when we get there ;)
Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2018, 03:01:03 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 12, 2018, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 12, 2018, 04:24:07 PM
I think he's a pretty standard player but he's got an incredible ability of scoring out of nothing, so that bumps him up a bit.
He reminds me a little of Sidwell. Except with more of a goal threat.
Spot on. He's a bit weak technically overall, but his movement is good and he strikes the ball bloody well.
Post by: Steve67 on February 12, 2018, 04:30:44 PM
I really like him. And I think he's handsome too.
I’m starting to worry about you darling! 😍
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 12, 2018, 04:43:30 PM
I really like him. And I think he's handsome too.
I’m starting to worry about you darling! 😍
Nothing to worry about in that comment. I'm heterosexual and fulsome in my praise of the handsome, the good and the clever!
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 12, 2018, 05:22:52 PM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on February 12, 2018, 06:40:41 PM
First time I watched him was when Plymouth played in the cup at Stourbridge. He was excellent there when they were in league 2, moved to Barnsley and was good in league 1 and then stepped up no problem to the championship for them.
It certainly took him a good while to settle here, not helped by being played out of position at the start but I'd say he's been reasonably influential this season.
Post by: KevinGage on February 12, 2018, 07:21:29 PM
Bournemouth-supporting colleague of mine said there were a few in that side back in 15 who he didn't think were good enough for the topflight based on their championship form. But they found an extra gear playing in the big league.
He'll know it's probably the best (only) chance to nail down a place in a PL team, the rest is up to him.
Post by: Ads on February 12, 2018, 07:24:06 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on February 17, 2018, 06:22:06 PM
He just doesn’t have the ability to deal with the ball at speed in tight situations, enough of the time
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2018, 06:32:51 PM
I’ve felt for a while that he’s too limited and today reaffirmed that that viewI think he is a player that needs space and time, but he is. Ring asked to track and cover space, so his creative ability is being stifled.
He just doesn’t have the ability to deal with the ball at speed in tight situations, enough of the time
He should have been given the creative position today.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2018, 06:42:49 PM
Seems we went 7 years without a central midfielder actually scoring a goal for us after Milner left.
Post by: Matt Collins on February 17, 2018, 06:51:31 PM
I’ve felt for a while that he’s too limited and today reaffirmed that that viewI think he is a player that needs space and time, but he is. Ring asked to track and cover space, so his creative ability is being stifled.
He just doesn’t have the ability to deal with the ball at speed in tight situations, enough of the time
He should have been given the creative position today.
He’s not fluid or rapid enough to regularly play attacking midfield
There’s a complete myth that this was his position at Barnsley
He’s good against most championship teams but I always knew he’d struggle today.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2018, 06:53:38 PM
Edit: It's 4, I missed his Forest goal.
Post by: BC Villain on February 17, 2018, 07:08:37 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on February 17, 2018, 09:02:54 PM
I thought Onomah looked a lot more lively
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2018, 11:14:27 PM
He's scored 3 since August, same as Onomah.
Edit: It's 4, I missed his Forest goal.
Hat-trick v Norwich wasn't it?
He's still a Villa central midfielder on course for double figures in the league. Dinosaurs were just retiring when we last had a midfield player capable of that it seems.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2018, 11:27:28 PM
I just think we should be expecting/hoping for more than 4 in nearly 6 months since then in division 2. AS BCV said it seems a lot of games just pass him by and he should be better than that imo.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2018, 11:29:37 PM
I still think he's a good cog in our recent good run. There are bigger issues than him anyway to solve.
Post by: eamonn on February 18, 2018, 12:53:16 AM
Based on the above I expected him to be a player who takes games by the scruff of the neck but from what we've seen, he's a neat and tidy player, who goes long periods without having much impact on games but does have a knack for getting into goalscoring positions and also has a great shot on him. A cross between Sidwell and Hitz maybe, with a bit less hammer?
Post by: Matt Collins on February 18, 2018, 06:36:43 AM
He’s been carried a bit by grealish Snodgrass and Adomah. We need him to step up now
Post by: passitsideways on February 18, 2018, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: Matt Collins on February 18, 2018, 11:42:03 AM
Shrug, at no point in his time with us has the team been set up with him being given the licence to roam around and do whatever the fuck he wants, so I don't know why people are criticising for not abandoning his post to try and do some more of the Roy of the Rovers stuff.
I completely disagree with this
First, because why should he have that role? He wasn’t that sort of player at Barnsley he played centre mid in a 442
Second, because in the current formation he and grealish do have an awful lot of licence and grealish has shown that he’s several levels above him in terms of exploiting that role
There’s a complete myth that if only Bruce would let him off the leash he’d become some sort of magic number 10. I just don’t see how people see that in him. He’s a good player at this level I’m not disagreeing with that, but he’s quite one paced, very one footed and can’t beat a man. I just don’t see what others seem to see at all.
Post by: passitsideways on February 18, 2018, 12:05:33 PM
Shrug, at no point in his time with us has the team been set up with him being given the licence to roam around and do whatever the fuck he wants, so I don't know why people are criticising for not abandoning his post to try and do some more of the Roy of the Rovers stuff.
I completely disagree with this
First, because why should he have that role? He wasn’t that sort of player at Barnsley he played centre mid in a 442
Second, because in the current formation he and grealish do have an awful lot of licence and grealish has shown that he’s several levels above him in terms of exploiting that role
There’s a complete myth that if only Bruce would let him off the leash he’d become some sort of magic number 10. I just don’t see how people see that in him. He’s a good player at this level I’m not disagreeing with that, but he’s quite one paced, very one footed and can’t beat a man. I just don’t see what others seem to see at all.
First of all, I never said that he should have been, or should be getting that sort of role - I'm simply saying that I don't think he's ever had.
I mean, I don't agree that he's been given much of a licence at all, even in this recent run, at least from what I've seen (saw a fair bit of it on AVFC, otherwise just the YT extended highlights). My perception is that it's just been Jack who's been given a free role, while Hourihane is still largely sitting back in midfield.
Which goes to my point - it's unfair to accuse him of "not stepping up" (which I'm presuming means making more game-changing contributions) when he's never been put in the position to do so.
Post by: eamonn on February 18, 2018, 04:56:43 PM
Post by: passitsideways on February 18, 2018, 11:09:59 PM
The way I see it is that Bruce sets those two up in the middle to keep it steady and sensible. It was somewhat problematic when we didn't have Jack and Hogan/Snodgrass weren't firing, since it left the team heavily dependent on Adomah, but since Jack came back, it's been fine and I'd rather not see any disruption by having Hourihane or whoever else going all cowboy on us.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 18, 2018, 11:38:47 PM
Shrug, at no point in his time with us has the team been set up with him being given the licence to roam around and do whatever the fuck he wants, so I don't know why people are criticising for not abandoning his post to try and do some more of the Roy of the Rovers stuff.
I completely disagree with this
First, because why should he have that role? He wasn’t that sort of player at Barnsley he played centre mid in a 442
Second, because in the current formation he and grealish do have an awful lot of licence and grealish has shown that he’s several levels above him in terms of exploiting that role
There’s a complete myth that if only Bruce would let him off the leash he’d become some sort of magic number 10. I just don’t see how people see that in him. He’s a good player at this level I’m not disagreeing with that, but he’s quite one paced, very one footed and can’t beat a man. I just don’t see what others seem to see at all.
I'd have to agree with that Matt.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 18, 2018, 11:39:05 PM
Whereas Barney is a limited footballer mare akin to running, closing and making a nuisance of himself.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 19, 2018, 02:23:00 PM
Shrug, at no point in his time with us has the team been set up with him being given the licence to roam around and do whatever the fuck he wants, so I don't know why people are criticising for not abandoning his post to try and do some more of the Roy of the Rovers stuff.
I completely disagree with this
First, because why should he have that role? He wasn’t that sort of player at Barnsley he played centre mid in a 442
Second, because in the current formation he and grealish do have an awful lot of licence and grealish has shown that he’s several levels above him in terms of exploiting that role
There’s a complete myth that if only Bruce would let him off the leash he’d become some sort of magic number 10. I just don’t see how people see that in him. He’s a good player at this level I’m not disagreeing with that, but he’s quite one paced, very one footed and can’t beat a man. I just don’t see what others seem to see at all.
You are correct about his pace and he is one footed, however he also has a mean shot on him and isn't a bad passer of the ball either. Those are decent qualities for a midfielder. It's not all or nothing. He gives us something we didn't always have in midfield and that's why we bought him. He'll have ups and downs.
Post by: footyskillz on February 21, 2018, 03:01:18 PM
Too many occasions where games pass him by - lots of games where you don't even realise he's on the field.
Agreed. Again from seeing the recordings of matches this is the case. Last night only had one half to be showing his lack of impact. Useful and seemed to get complacent once made starting line up for a while. His performances aren't meriting a start at this moment.
Post by: Ad@m on February 24, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
Been a while since we had a proper goal scoring centre midfielder. Long may it continue.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 24, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
He's been getting some stick lately and while it's clear he's not in the best of form he's still popping up with goals.
Been a while since we had a proper goal scoring centre midfielder. Long may it continue.
In my opinion there’s two types of player in one. The version who is asked to defend, sit deep, play with in a much conservative manner is the one who looks highly ineffective. The other version who is allowed license to attack and roam into threatening positions scores goals and generally gets into decent positions higher up the pitch. Bruce is trying to make him to both of those versions. It’s not going to work. If he’s supported by a strong DM as a solid squad player he’ll be generally very effective when called upon.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2018, 06:22:05 PM
He absolute runs his heart out and has a deadly shot on him.
It seems like about 200 years since we had a midfielder who could score goals on a regular basis, too.
Post by: Ad@m on February 24, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
Like TV says, when he's asked to sit deep you lose what he's good at. I hope we give him the chance to show if he can make it in the Prem...
Post by: KevinGage on February 24, 2018, 06:31:32 PM
But even at Barnsley, he apparently liked to sit deep and would look quiet for long periods.
He's not a midfielder in the tradition of a Cowans or Barry, where it would usually be a case of if they played well, Villa played well. True, that pair possessed a rare enough quality. But I thought we might be getting a Championship version of that; someone to dictate the pace and tempo of the game.
Someone made the comparison with Westwood earlier, and I see that. From his time with us last season, that's how he looked to me - a Westwood-type with a better final ball and shot.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 24, 2018, 07:16:20 PM
Obviously you have to deduct those goals in August as it was so long ago eh PWS....
I said that since then scoring 4 in the last 6 months was disappointing from him as he should be better than that. Hardly the most controversial post ever.
Post by: brontebilly on February 24, 2018, 07:43:51 PM
9 goals is fair going and hopefully 4 or 5 more to come.
Post by: Matt Collins on February 24, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
Great left peg. Not really good enough at the most competitive levels. But could be vital this season
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2018, 08:12:12 PM
HE reminds me of Hitz more than anyone else
Great left peg. Not really good enough at the most competitive levels. But could be vital this season
A kind of cross between Hitz and Sidwell for me. Hitz was a bit classier, but not as mobile or dangerous inside the box.
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
HE reminds me of Hitz more than anyone else
Great left peg. Not really good enough at the most competitive levels. But could be vital this season
A kind of cross between Hitz and Sidwell for me. Hitz was a bit classier, but not as mobile or dangerous inside the box.
Hitz couldn’t tackle to save his life either. Hourihane can at least get stuck in occasionally.
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
HE reminds me of Hitz more than anyone else
Great left peg. Not really good enough at the most competitive levels. But could be vital this season
A kind of cross between Hitz and Sidwell for me. Hitz was a bit classier, but not as mobile or dangerous inside the box.
Hitz couldn’t tackle to save his life either. Hourihane can at least get stuck in occasionally.
Westwood was like a 'Shittest Hits' of all of them, Hitz's tackling, Hourihane's touch and Sidwell's vision.
Post by: ColinMac on February 24, 2018, 10:33:58 PM
HE reminds me of Hitz more than anyone else
Great left peg. Not really good enough at the most competitive levels. But could be vital this season
Hitz not really good enough at the most competitive levels, that Bundesliga medal and 52 German caps showed what a limited player he was.
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 24, 2018, 11:16:36 PM
HE reminds me of Hitz more than anyone else
Great left peg. Not really good enough at the most competitive levels. But could be vital this season
Hitz not really good enough at the most competitive levels, that Bundesliga medal and 52 German caps showed what a limited player he was.
Some German teams must be blessed with 3 very pacey, dynamic midfielders.
Post by: Ads on February 24, 2018, 11:20:38 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 24, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 24, 2018, 11:31:48 PM
Missing a t.
Sttutgart? Are you sure?
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 24, 2018, 11:36:55 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 25, 2018, 07:18:17 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 25, 2018, 10:28:54 AM
Errm...Stutgartt silly.Missing a t.
Sttutgart? Are you sure?
Post by: olaftab on February 25, 2018, 10:32:42 AM
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 25, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
Post by: boozey182 on February 25, 2018, 10:51:18 AM
He drives me mental, but without his goals we'd be struggling to keep pace with the leaders, so fair play Conor.
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 25, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Errm...Stutgartt silly.Missing a t.
Sttutgart? Are you sure?
That rogue t is a bit like Der Hammer, willing to venture forward but now out of position and not able to get back when needed.
Post by: kieron on March 16, 2018, 07:39:21 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/974549578841296896
Post by: Diablo on March 16, 2018, 10:43:40 AM
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Post by: Ad@m on March 16, 2018, 05:33:19 PM
He's certainly not the driving midfielder in the mould of Milner or Delph we'd like but then you don't get many of those sorts of players in the 2nd Division.
Post by: Mister E on March 16, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
So, I'm not sure what he brings to the team, other than the occasional goal.
And I'm trying hard not to be negative!
Post by: Rudy65 on March 16, 2018, 08:18:58 PM
Thing is, he is not the killer-passer I thought we were getting; he is not the MF destroyer that SB seems to sometimes want of him; he not the ball-retainer that he should be (and he does get caught out a lot on the ball); and, he's not the Duracell bunny player who runs on and on for ever (in fact, he seems to run out of steam quite quickly).
So, I'm not sure what he brings to the team, other than the occasional goal.
And I'm trying hard not to be negative!
Negative. But true
Post by: bill on March 17, 2018, 10:40:14 AM
Post by: Matt Collins on March 17, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
But I’d fancy him to score a couple more crucial goals this season so I can see why he’s still playing
Personally I’d play Lansbury today though
Post by: footyskillz on March 17, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
Has been little of contributes in overall play and there are actually other players who can get goals from midfield as much as he has if they played.
I do like his shooting and his set pieces can e effective but don't think he feels totally settled and established and struggles as a fish in big pond having to step up in class.
He plays in that middle because he balances with a left foot but I get annoyed with his most favourite play being two arms out in air appealing for things being the most notable of things he's doing.
Great shot on him though.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 17, 2018, 10:28:33 PM
But time and again he’s a passenger for most of the game
Post by: adrenachrome on March 17, 2018, 10:46:10 PM
If you put him in a lower level championship stup, he will dominate the midfield and make surging forward runs, sometimes resulting in spectacular goals.
If you stick him in a team where he realizes 3 or 4 of the midfielders are far better him, even if they rarely show it, he is less likely to express himself.
It's only a theory. Please don't hate me. I hatez the haterz, hun.
Post by: David_Nab on March 17, 2018, 11:15:12 PM
The player presents a most difficult conundrum. This is my theory.
If you put him in a lower level championship stup, he will dominate the midfield and make surging forward runs, sometimes resulting in spectacular goals.
If you stick him in a team where he realizes 3 or 4 of the midfielders are far better him, even if they rarely show it, he is less likely to express himself.
It's only a theory. Please don't hate me. I hatez the haterz, hun.
He plays as a 2 man midfield behind 4 attacking players so mostly he has to sit deeper to allow them to go forward.Really he should be more attacking as thats his strengh but it would leave us light in defence ..
For me the goals mask the fact he contributes little .In general I don't think we have a CM who can dictate play they are all tidy enough and can pass sideways but beyond that they are limited.We do better when we can sit and counter and bypass midfield and get it to the 3 players behind the striker to do something.In games like tonight where the play is slower we are always poor
Post by: adrenachrome on March 17, 2018, 11:43:38 PM
The player presents a most difficult conundrum. This is my theory.
If you put him in a lower level championship stup, he will dominate the midfield and make surging forward runs, sometimes resulting in spectacular goals.
If you stick him in a team where he realizes 3 or 4 of the midfielders are far better him, even if they rarely show it, he is less likely to express himself.
It's only a theory. Please don't hate me. I hatez the haterz, hun.
He plays as a 2 man midfield behind 4 attacking players so mostly he has to sit deeper to allow them to go forward.Really he should be more attacking as thats his strengh but it would leave us light in defence ..
For me the goals mask the fact he contributes little .In general I don't think we have a CM who can dictate play they are all tidy enough and can pass sideways but beyond that they are limited.We do better when we can sit and counter and bypass midfield and get it to the 3 players behind the striker to do something.In games like tonight where the play is slower we are always poor
Wouldn't disagree with that analysis.
The question is: why did we sign him?
Post by: David_Nab on March 17, 2018, 11:59:36 PM
The player presents a most difficult conundrum. This is my theory.
If you put him in a lower level championship stup, he will dominate the midfield and make surging forward runs, sometimes resulting in spectacular goals.
If you stick him in a team where he realizes 3 or 4 of the midfielders are far better him, even if they rarely show it, he is less likely to express himself.
It's only a theory. Please don't hate me. I hatez the haterz, hun.
He plays as a 2 man midfield behind 4 attacking players so mostly he has to sit deeper to allow them to go forward.Really he should be more attacking as thats his strengh but it would leave us light in defence ..
For me the goals mask the fact he contributes little .In general I don't think we have a CM who can dictate play they are all tidy enough and can pass sideways but beyond that they are limited.We do better when we can sit and counter and bypass midfield and get it to the 3 players behind the striker to do something.In games like tonight where the play is slower we are always poor
Wouldn't disagree with that analysis.
The question is: why did we sign him?
Well you could ask that of
Hogan - £12mil on a striker who needs through balls and barely touches the ball
Bree- RB who only plays LB when the left footed LB is injured who was only in the team because the Right footed RB got injured
Lanbury - CM who sits on the Bench and has come on once as a MF replacement in the last 8 or so games he has been back from injury
Houriahane has good attributes I just think for the most part sitting deeper doesn't show them
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 28, 2018, 05:05:52 PM
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2018, 05:09:27 PM
Post by: Ad@m on May 28, 2018, 05:13:45 PM
Done his medial ligaments apparently.
Not the most important thing but the tackle that caused his injury was an absolute belter. Saved a goal.
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 28, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
He reminds me in some ways of Hitz. Great shot on him, a few great goals but not much else.
Matches my own assessment exactly.
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 28, 2018, 05:17:57 PM
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 28, 2018, 07:54:22 PM
He reminds me in some ways of Hitz. Great shot on him, a few great goals but not much else.
Yep. I got panned for saying this a while back. Him and jedinak in midfield just isn't creative enough
If someone bids a decent amount for him I'd definitely sell. Really not sure what is realistic but hoping someone might be £6-8m
Although I've just seen the medial ligaments rumour
Fuck it
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2018, 07:56:56 PM
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Post by: PeterWithe on May 28, 2018, 07:59:51 PM
Fantastic goal return and a great energetic performance in the home semi, apart from that I’ve never quite warmed to him. Too weak, too slow
, goes to ground too easily when trying to win the ball.
He’ll feel hard done by but his replacement would be something we need to consider to make us a more rounded team
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2018, 08:11:19 PM
If we sold him, it would at least stop that happening.
Just me?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2018, 08:14:13 PM
Anyone else hear Neil Young singing "You are Conor Hourihane" every time they see his name?
If we sold him, it would at least stop that happening.
Just me?
Just you until now.
Post by: footyskillz on August 08, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
Felt he was carried v hull and that he not whipping the ball in like snoddy did .
At times he flighted it or clipped it .
Unlucky with free kick and good to have him on this at least don't miss snoddy hitting the wall .
Just feel he needs to be far more apparent on the ball and making runs.
Felt whelan showed him up as midfielder and as mcginn is left footed it will give him some competition.
I hope he actually imposes himself in the play a lot more rather than the odd pass and set piece.
He did assist elmo but that was luck from poor hull goal kick .
A similar problem is his actual position and how to get best out of him as it is it Bjarnasson . It's also to either have them develop so they can play in systems or have set system . I think he's had to slightly play different midfield roles.
I don't think he passes forward enough and would mainly like to see that.
But also would like to see him demand the ball and get hold of it if he wants to be the midfielder then he needs to be impacting a heck of a lot more
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 12:25:37 PM
If it wasn't for goals I don't know if he be in teamHe always looks invisible to me. You don't hear or see him unless he scores or slices through a player from behind who just went past him. He struggles to get games for his country and Ireland are hardly blessed with top centre mids.
Felt he was carried v hull and that he not whipping the ball in like snoddy did .
At times he flighted it or clipped it .
Unlucky with free kick and good to have him on this at least don't miss snoddy hitting the wall .
Just feel he needs to be far more apparent on the ball and making runs.
Felt whelan showed him up as midfielder and as mcginn is left footed it will give him some competition.
I hope he actually imposes himself in the play a lot more rather than the odd pass and set piece.
He did assist elmo but that was luck from poor hull goal kick .
A similar problem is his actual position and how to get best out of him as it is it Bjarnasson . It's also to either have them develop so they can play in systems or have set system . I think he's had to slightly play different midfield roles.
I don't think he passes forward enough and would mainly like to see that.
But also would like to see him demand the ball and get hold of it if he wants to be the midfielder then he needs to be impacting a heck of a lot more
That's why I've said with him, Whelan or Jedinak in that centre we look slow and poor with the ball.
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
If mcginn is anything like as good as some would have you believe then I could see him replacing hourihane for all the reasons above. We can't keep fielding a midfield three where two of them are poor at passing the ball forwards. This really stood out v Fulham in the play off final where their whole midfield three passed and moved well
But if mcginn really was that good I'd have thought celtic could offer him game time. That has been suggested as a reason for him joining us (if he is)
Post by: footyskillz on August 09, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
If it wasn't for goals I don't know if he be in teamHe always looks invisible to me. You don't hear or see him unless he scores I slices through a player from behind who just went past him. He struggles to get games for his country and Ireland are hardly blessed with top centre mids.
Felt he was carried v hull and that he not whipping the ball in like snoddy did .
At times he flighted it or clipped it .
Unlucky with free kick and good to have him on this at least don't miss snoddy hitting the wall .
Just feel he needs to be far more apparent on the ball and making runs.
Felt whelan showed him up as midfielder and as mcginn is left footed it will give him some competition.
I hope he actually imposes himself in the play a lot more rather than the odd pass and set piece.
He did assist elmo but that was luck from poor hull goal kick .
A similar problem is his actual position and how to get best out of him as it is it Bjarnasson . It's also to either have them develop so they can play in systems or have set system . I think he's had to slightly play different midfield roles.
I don't think he passes forward enough and would mainly like to see that.
But also would like to see him demand the ball and get hold of it if he wants to be the midfielder then he needs to be impacting a heck of a lot more
That's why I've said with him, Whelan or Jedinak in that centre we look slow and poor with the ball.
Yes invisible would be the term if it wasn't for set pieces and goals he wouldn't be considered .
I hope McGinty gives him competition and looks like the Scottish one can play both feet
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 07:35:32 AM
Though imagine he ll get his ' rest' v Yeovil
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2018, 09:10:02 AM
But can't really see who McGinn comes in for if it isn't him, in time
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
I think his best game for us was against Boro in the 2nd leg play off. He was immense that night. He does seem to dip out of games but I think he's been a decent buy for the money we paid.
Yes, in terms of goals scored he's been fine. I'm hoping that playing with somebody more dynamic in McGinn will help him out a bit, as the getting your shorts dirty stuff isn't really his game. I've said it before, but playing with Whelan and Jedinak puts pressure on the rest of the midfield because of their complete lack of mobility.
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2018, 10:35:47 AM
Post by: passitsideways on August 11, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
Didn't he play a very different role at Barnsley? I just can't imagine him as the driver from midfield that people described him as when we bought him. I'd take that with half a dozen goals less a season than the hider with a poacher's instinct and not much else besides that we seem to have got.
I went and had a look at a breakdown of his assists and chances created from his final half-season at Barnsley, and it wasn't just set pieces - he had plenty of them in open play as well. I think it has to be a case of him having to take a backseat because either everything goes through Grealish if it's going through the middle, or we look for a one-on-one out wide.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 11, 2018, 11:16:08 AM
Post by: Fred Crump on August 11, 2018, 11:21:03 AM
I've mentioned this few times previously. During the game watch how many times he gets the ball facing the wrong way. He needs to have it whilst moving forward to be really effective.Yes because he doesn’t have the agility to receive the ball and play on the turn like top class midfielders do.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 11, 2018, 11:22:47 AM
I've mentioned this few times previously. During the game watch how many times he gets the ball facing the wrong way. He needs to have it whilst moving forward to be really effective.Yes because he doesn’t have the agility to receive the ball and play on the turn like top class midfielders do.
That's the Championship.
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
I think his best game for us was against Boro in the 2nd leg play off. He was immense that night. He does seem to dip out of games but I think he's been a decent buy for the money we paid.
In regards to what we paid yes 100%
Especially when the fails of McCormack and Lesser but still uncovincing Hogan.
Post by: footyskillz on August 12, 2018, 08:14:47 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 12, 2018, 08:20:29 AM
I've mentioned this few times previously. During the game watch how many times he gets the ball facing the wrong way. He needs to have it whilst moving forward to be really effective.Yes because he doesn’t have the agility to receive the ball and play on the turn like top class midfielders do.
Spot on sir.
It was exposed at the dingle den last season, with Neves showing how it's done in contrast.
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2018, 09:03:45 AM
The only way I can see him getting in the side alongside jack and mcginn is if we play 352. Otherwise there's not enough protection
Post by: passitsideways on August 12, 2018, 09:23:49 AM
I think he's the odd man out for now, but they need to figure out a way for him to be effective because Grealish can't be expected to play every minute and McGinn may go through ups and downs. Plus, still need goals from midfield unless a 20 goal striker suddenly emerges from the ether.
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2018, 09:26:06 AM
But would he have got in the Fulham or wolves side last year? No way
Post by: Steve67 on August 12, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2018, 10:31:28 AM
If there’s no CH, Albert and Snodgrass starting regularly this season that’s a huge drop in goals and assists we need to make up.
Post by: passitsideways on August 12, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
Yep that's the conundrum w hourihane
But would he have got in the Fulham or wolves side last year? No way
I don't think any of the midfielders in those teams besides Neves and Cairney were all that, the difference is they both played systems which ensured that they had the ball a lot, instead of having to go out of their way to try and impose themselves on the game.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 12, 2018, 10:57:47 AM
Post by: Richard on August 12, 2018, 11:12:25 AM
Post by: Rigadon on August 12, 2018, 11:42:55 AM
I don't see why Hourihane Grealish and McGinn can't play in a 3 just ahead of a more defensive midfielder
They could but there wouldn't be much width unless we pay 5-4-1 with very attacking wing backs. Also would require a centre forward who can get >20 goals on his own (and those 3 pitching in with their fair share).
Post by: Keeno on August 12, 2018, 12:16:08 PM
I don't see why Hourihane Grealish and McGinn can't play in a 3 just ahead of a more defensive midfielder
They could but there wouldn't be much width unless we pay 5-4-1 with very attacking wing backs. Also would require a centre forward who can get >20 goals on his own (and those 3 pitching in with their fair share).
Either that, or a diamond in midfield with BB at the base, McGinn and Hourihane shuttling either side and Grealish at the 10 behind a front two (Kodjia and Adomah perhaps). As you say, you'd need good fullbacks with lots of energy - could RDM and Hutton do it?
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2018, 07:12:11 PM
I don't see why Hourihane Grealish and McGinn can't play in a 3 just ahead of a more defensive midfielder
Well they could do in a diamond although one would have to play on the right
Or if grealish was wide but I don't see why you'd do that
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2018, 07:36:50 PM
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Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2018, 07:50:43 AM
Of course he got his goal which is his main use and wouldn't be near team if he didnt have a goal in him.
Like a bit more from his corners too .
I'll support him as he can be very impressive with his play but too many times he just disappears
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2018, 08:05:26 AM
He was atrocious first half
But he's probably our most reliable goalscorer
Given how poor our wide players have been I wonder if Bruce will try to get him into the side alongside jack and mcginn
Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2018, 08:34:31 AM
I tried to be balanced and realise maybe he's not premier league quality but if he does what he does without creating impressions other than goals it's only half a good problem to have
I thought Whelan was very apparent yesterday and would like hourihane getting on ball far more or are least moving when he's passed .
I think Percy on here made a good point about the work he does off the ball by his forward runs and then creating space.
However I do see conor run back to get along side to players with the ball and then would often passes sideways or back .
There is the occasions with a quarter back or Hollywood pass which he enjoys but does infrequently both in success of pass and making them .
Well played to him getting the goal speaks well of the Villa and I think he may not have Bruce's total confidence .
I had to remind myself he's come back from a injury established in the final minutes against Fulham desperate in trying to get to the ball . His lack of pace and reaction meant he didn't get there for one of his almightys but he does offer a genuine goal getting attitude some how !
I just like it to be way more apparent in matches especially against Yeovil. No disrespectful to the league two team. Conor should be running that midfield and feeding balls.
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2018, 08:41:02 AM
For all of his faults he consistently produces and makes big contributions. To be completely fair to him, he was the match-winner both on Saturday and last night.
With McGinn coming-in I expect Hourihane to become more of a 'squad player' this season, but I also think that he gives us great option to come-off the bench, and play in cup games. As others have said, I don't see him as being able to play as a holding midfielder or out-wide, and he doesn't carry the ball well enough to be a direct understudy to either Grealish or McGinn.
Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
One challenge though ! To be completely fair to villa squad
Bjarnasson was match winner v wigan as he scored the winning goal.
We can have Conor assisted with an excellent cross but Bjarnasson was the match winner .
Otherwise JK was the match winner yesterday with his skillz and cross.
Let's see it right shall we Russel!
And he does for all his faults get assists as well as great goals and number of goals ! So we all love him for that !
Post by: footyskillz on September 07, 2018, 06:22:08 PM
I say that having watched he was pretty annoyomous or was giving ball away. Really garbage and so ineffective when he was subbed so low key wasn't even shown by sky sports him being hauled off
Of course his replacement scored showing this guy up even more
Post by: Matt Collins on September 11, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
Butat the moment there's an argument we could do with his goal threat
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on September 11, 2018, 09:19:30 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 17, 2018, 12:11:42 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 17, 2018, 12:14:29 PM
Well proved his value again - he scores goals, to me he is very important to us.
I agree, but as a midfielder he must do a lot more. We shouldn't be even looking at him to score vital goals with the other attacking options we have. I like Conor, but he goes missing for HUGE chunks of games. He's got to do more and be more visible on the pitch to warrant starts for me.
For example, you know McGinn is on the pitch, whether he's playing well or not he's there, he's not hiding or invisible.
Post by: Richard on September 17, 2018, 12:15:26 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on September 17, 2018, 12:21:29 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on September 17, 2018, 12:37:34 PM
Well proved his value again - he scores goals, to me he is very important to us.
I agree, but as a midfielder he must do a lot more. We shouldn't be even looking at him to score vital goals with the other attacking options we have. I like Conor, but he goes missing for HUGE chunks of games. He's got to do more and be more visible on the pitch to warrant starts for me.
For example, you know McGinn is on the pitch, whether he's playing well or not he's there, he's not hiding or invisible.
Agree and he seems to make more of an impact coming off the bench in games. That said, I thought him and McGinn looked OK when they were paired together in the latter stages of the game at the weekend.
Post by: footyskillz on September 21, 2018, 05:06:42 PM
Bruce spoke of him in his new position with Mcginn in midfield that Connor has been knocking on his door every 2 days .
Does tomorrow see him fall back again and be annoyomous outplayed by Bannan or does he step up with Mcginn
I guess Bruce will play team that played v Rotherham.
Post by: Matt Collins on September 22, 2018, 06:58:07 AM
But I still think his position is deeper as part of a two (not the single DM tho). He can still be a goal threat, but you're not relying on him being a play maker. He's not that kind of player in my view. He's not good enough in tight situations
Post by: footyskillz on October 03, 2018, 10:50:09 AM
Doesn't drive with the ball and his tendency to pass back and be annoymous in matches is very puzzling and annoying .
He also should have been taken off a lot sooner as he struggles far more than mcginn to close down and tackle appropriately.
Though mcginn was the one who did the careless foul for the free kick which Gallagher scored from.
Whelan could have been the screen in front of back four and kodjia wide with Abrahams left up front
I actually think he decent player to some degree with a super shot and assist play realtively well mainly from dead ball.
Too often he struggles to make an impact over the 90
He's not alone and I feel Bruce has partly stagnated the guys play and partly the player isn't top level so doesn't have the authority and dynamism on a consistent basis.
That said he sure strikes a great shot and similar to Grealish and maybe other players he's struggling on how Bruce wants him to play and fit into system.
Post by: footyskillz on October 04, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
Post by: kieron on October 04, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 04, 2018, 09:46:39 PM
Ok
You're kinda hoist by your own petard here.
Post by: themossman on December 02, 2018, 09:28:12 AM
Post by: footyskillz on December 03, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
Howson, Clayton didn't show any ambition to press and Besic who is excellent at this level wasn't at it and subbed.
That said he dropped in between Tuanzebe and Chester when needed and fulfilled his duites mainly playing short to mid range passes.
I still like him to be more pro active and
appear dominant in his play on the ball .
More forward passing , more decisiveness, and far quicker moving the ball.
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2018, 09:52:46 PM
The feature also starred our other hotshot young-gun Keinan Davis, I could barely make-out what he was mumling but he did have the best quip of the vid when asked who was the worst-dressed. He went for ''Albert...it's not my cup of...style''.
Post by: Matt Collins on December 03, 2018, 10:05:24 PM
I agree with the above though. Play him against a fluid midfield or really good number 10 and I'd still be worried. Although the problem against forest was also about grealish and mcginn
Harvey Barnes will be more of a threat on Friday
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2018, 04:13:47 AM
Does not do enough defensively or offensively.
Post by: Olof's Beard on December 04, 2018, 09:04:12 AM
Post by: Matt Collins on December 04, 2018, 10:15:01 AM
He was ok because no one ran at him, I think you will find his tackle count was pretty close to zero.
Does not do enough defensively or offensively.
In that deep role hes Great offensively. Keeps the ball moving quickly, and a threat from set pieces. He doesn't get crowded out like he can when higher up the pitch in tighter situations.
But it's the defensive side I worry about
They were just running through him against forest. Everyone slammed tuanzebe but he was left sooo exposed
Post by: footyskillz on December 04, 2018, 09:40:32 PM
Post by: OCD on December 04, 2018, 10:23:22 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 05, 2018, 04:42:26 AM
How the heck will he stop Matt Phillips?He won’t because he can not tackle, close space or intercept.
Post by: Steve67 on December 05, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
How the heck will he stop Matt Phillips?He won’t because he can not tackle, close space or intercept.
And they play in very different parts of the pitch.
Post by: TheMalandro on December 05, 2018, 08:04:56 PM
A weird one, I’m still not sure he’s a good fit for the team.
In Smith we trust.
Post by: footyskillz on December 06, 2018, 12:29:43 AM
How the heck will he stop Matt Phillips?He won’t because he can not tackle, close space or intercept.
And they play in very different parts of the pitch.
Matty Phillips has been moved into middle and plays central or at least was in the Brentford and commentary were saying he's moved into that position with effect . Certainly did play well first half.
Post by: XXVilla on December 06, 2018, 09:16:43 PM
How the heck will he stop Matt Phillips?He won’t because he can not tackle, close space or intercept.
And they play in very different parts of the pitch.
Matty Phillips has been moved into middle and plays central or at least was in the Brentford and commentary were saying he's moved into that position with effect . Certainly did play well first half.
And yet they only scored once.
Post by: Matt Collins on December 07, 2018, 06:15:18 AM
West Brom should have been four up at half time. They just didn't finish their chances
I don't think the midfield problem was all hourihane. Grealish and mcginn were pushed right up, and it didn't help that our defence kept giving the ball away when we were pushed up the pitch
But I agree Boro away didn't test us in the same way. I'm hoping they've been focusing on how we condense the space much better
Post by: Ads on December 07, 2018, 06:57:51 AM
Post by: Colhint on December 07, 2018, 05:02:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2018, 06:02:39 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Conor, he's hit some cracking free kicks, but the way things are going he won't make the top 10 for goal of the season for us.
He'll struggle to make the top 100 at this rate.
Post by: Matt Collins on December 07, 2018, 06:35:52 PM
They weren't given the chance because of our wingers on and off the ball.
Their midfielders just didn't have the creativity or fluidity that lolley and carvalho had
Post by: Matt Collins on December 09, 2018, 07:04:46 AM
He's really growing in me in that deep role.
If jack is injured it will be interesting to see what Smith does. The obvious option is to move hourihane forwards and play Whelan deep. But hourihane doesn't offer anything like what jack offers. I wouldn't say he was great v WBA but if you watch the highlights jack is involved in so much of what we do going forwards with his running and passing ability
Post by: Mister E on December 09, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
The obvious option to me would be to play a like-for-like replacement - O'Hare. May not happen, of course, because he has had such little gametime, but he's the obvious replacement.
If jack is injured it will be interesting to see what Smith does. The obvious option is to move hourihane forwards and play Whelan deep. But hourihane doesn't offer anything like what jack offers. I wouldn't say he was great v WBA but if you watch the highlights jack is involved in so much of what we do going forwards with his running and passing ability
Post by: tomd2103 on December 09, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
That threat didn't really happen
He's really growing in me in that deep role.
If jack is injured it will be interesting to see what Smith does. The obvious option is to move hourihane forwards and play Whelan deep. But hourihane doesn't offer anything like what jack offers. I wouldn't say he was great v WBA but if you watch the highlights jack is involved in so much of what we do going forwards with his running and passing ability
My concern with him has always been how he seems to drift out of the game for such long periods, almost to the point that you forget he is playing at times. I think the defensive midfielder has to be constantly involved in the game, whether it be breaking play up in the defensive areas or dictating play when in possession.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 09, 2018, 07:15:17 PM
Post by: Ads on December 09, 2018, 07:29:05 PM
Albion got joy out of a long ball and managed to get 1 on 1 with our full backs a couple of times, but nothing came through the middle. Fair play to for picking it up post Forest.
Post by: Steve67 on December 09, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on December 09, 2018, 11:59:46 PM
He is no where good enough in the defensive midfield role, he can’t tackle, does not close down space and is not involved enough.
I think he made About 90 passes in one of them
Post by: Matt Collins on December 10, 2018, 12:00:56 AM
The obvious option to me would be to play a like-for-like replacement - O'Hare. May not happen, of course, because he has had such little gametime, but he's the obvious replacement.
If jack is injured it will be interesting to see what Smith does. The obvious option is to move hourihane forwards and play Whelan deep. But hourihane doesn't offer anything like what jack offers. I wouldn't say he was great v WBA but if you watch the highlights jack is involved in so much of what we do going forwards with his running and passing ability
I see O'Hare as a number 10 or striker
Not sure I've ever seen him play in the sort of 8 position grealish and mcginn are playing in?
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2018, 12:06:59 AM
The obvious option to me would be to play a like-for-like replacement - O'Hare. May not happen, of course, because he has had such little gametime, but he's the obvious replacement.
If jack is injured it will be interesting to see what Smith does. The obvious option is to move hourihane forwards and play Whelan deep. But hourihane doesn't offer anything like what jack offers. I wouldn't say he was great v WBA but if you watch the highlights jack is involved in so much of what we do going forwards with his running and passing ability
I see O'Hare as a number 10 or striker
Not sure I've ever seen him play in the sort of 8 position grealish and mcginn are playing in?
Agree Matt and I have seen him play wide as well. As Jack Grealish found, the obvious problem with being a 'number 10' is that you have got to be at a club that plays that kind of system. If you are not, then you aren't really going to get many chances. Grealish has now become a midfielder who could play 'number 10' if needed and it has kick started his career. I have wondered whether O'Hare needs to make a similar move to have more chance of getting into the side.
I really like what I have seen of him so far though.
Post by: eamonn on December 10, 2018, 12:42:48 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 11, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Gary Gardner could play the role we want Hourihane to fulfil, no?
You're right. No.
Post by: ajmant on December 11, 2018, 01:46:48 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2018, 07:29:31 PM
Which of the footballing Gardner brothers is not a shithouse weasel with all the charm of a pidgeon shit covered gargoyle?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 26, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
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Post by: The_ads on December 26, 2018, 08:52:33 PM
Post by: XXVilla on December 26, 2018, 09:08:32 PM
I'll second that. No way. Gary Gardner is the answer for yesteryear. Time to move on if we want to move up.
Does our bench/treatment table still need warming up?
Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2018, 09:19:22 PM
Can't argue with those stats.
Despite all the criticism, a lot of it valid, he still delivers a serious amount of goals and assists.
Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2018, 10:03:18 PM
Can't argue with those stats.
Meaning in 12 games out of 23 he's been invisible ;)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 26, 2018, 10:21:31 PM
I'd sooner celebrate the 9 goals and 15 assists that Conor, Jack and John have between them. UTV and merry xmas!
Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2018, 10:42:32 PM
His hurling team probably knocked Abbeyfeale out of some intermediate tournament once, don't worry, Conor can defend himself.
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 02:24:34 PM
Doesn't have heaps of pace but can keep it tidy in the left and also play a decent cross in from that side
It's an idea to be explored
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 02:27:08 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 02:46:19 PM
His one problem would be pace
But I bet he be more involved than when he is centrally.
It's more a balance and not ideal by a long way it's more for the occasion .
He would be facing El Ghazhi , Bolasie , Adomah 3 best wide players in league in training so he would be ok.
The other place is behind striker as one of two number 10/ 8
But for me that should be someone with more cunning and guile.
Delph and Young have been and become full backs on left think Hourihane could be adequate there.
I could compare him to Holebas of Watford as he takes set plays but play left back .
Bielsa would try him in a back 2 or 3 as centre back !
Post by: LukeJames on January 02, 2019, 02:51:47 PM
Whilst Taylor is out and for balance Conor could play the left back role.
How much did you consume over New Year mate?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
Whilst Taylor is out and for balance Conor could play the left back role.
Doesn't have heaps of pace but can keep it tidy in the left and also play a decent cross in from that side
It's an idea to be explored
Shudder.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
Well he's no great midfielder so why not re develop him into a left back.Because he can not tackle, close down, run fast or do anything remotely defensive.
Other than that
Post by: robleflaneur on January 02, 2019, 02:57:32 PM
Would like to see him in a no.10 role until Jack returns.It would give him more goal scoring opportunities and he must be one of the best finishers that we have.Passing wise it is easier for him playing deep but he offers little defensive protection and I would be inclined to play McGinn or Barney in that role.
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Post by: andyh on January 02, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
Correct.Well he's no great midfielder so why not re develop him into a left back.Because he can not tackle, close down, run fast or do anything remotely defensive.
Other than that
Also, he can’t tackle, he can’t tackle and he can’t tackle.
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
Hourihane would be less our of the central role but could provide from left.
I feel Smith sees him as someone in this current squad he wants on the ball and passing it.
The central lying deep midfielder mixes with some attacking intention
The man hasn't got the movement in the middle but on left would only have to go to up and down
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 02, 2019, 03:02:15 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 02, 2019, 03:03:25 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 03:07:01 PM
It didn't really work either way
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 02, 2019, 03:07:51 PM
I thought hourihane started the deeper but then they switched?
It didn't really work either way
I meant DM but yes they were both crap .. but at least BB can tackle even if he does tackle himself after
Post by: robleflaneur on January 02, 2019, 03:19:59 PM
Well neither does Neil Taylor!The advantage with a technical CM is that they are always in a good position to receive the ball from the back 4 and can then quickly set up attacks through the midfield. The best example being Pirlo. We tried to play Bannan in that role.The problem is the lack of protection a Bannan or Hourihane gives a defence,it has to come from other players.
Hourihane would be less our of the central role but could provide from left.
I feel Smith sees him as someone in this current squad he wants on the ball and passing it.
The central lying deep midfielder mixes with some attacking intention
The man hasn't got the movement in the middle but on left would only have to go to up and down
Putting Bannan or likewise Hourihane wide,makes the situation worse.It makes it more difficult for them to receive the ball without being closely marked,they lack the pace to escape down the touchline and also limits their passing options by narrowing their field of play.
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 03:27:50 PM
Well neither does Neil Taylor!The advantage with a technical CM is that they are always in a good position to receive the ball from the back 4 and can then quickly set up attacks through the midfield. The best example being Pirlo. We tried to play Bannan in that role.The problem is the lack of protection a Bannan or Hourihane gives a defence,it has to come from other players.
Hourihane would be less our of the central role but could provide from left.
I feel Smith sees him as someone in this current squad he wants on the ball and passing it.
The central lying deep midfielder mixes with some attacking intention
The man hasn't got the movement in the middle but on left would only have to go to up and down
Putting Bannan or likewise Hourihane wide,makes the situation worse.It makes it more difficult for them to receive the ball without being closely marked,they lack the pace to escape down the touchline and also limits their passing options by narrowing their field of play.
Ah thats well put and I can vision this left back role being entirely unsuited more than people just saying "he can't do this or that " you have articulated with some know how and I can totally see he be caught in possession in such a role and very limited.
Really helped talking of Pirlo , and currently I thinking of Jorginho of chelsea
This style of midfielder is wanted at smithy villa .
The Conor as left back that idea can go to the recycling
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
Really is impressive
Something else Ghazhi , Kodjia and Bolasie do too.
Good footyskillz!
I don't see Hourihane being able to do that but the guy can certainly strike a good shot and occasion set play !
Post by: Ad@m on January 02, 2019, 03:54:05 PM
Well neither does Neil Taylor!
Benchmarking anyone against Neil Taylor isn't a great way to win an argument!
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
Some thing notice on mcginn as how adept he is of getting out of tight spaces with players round him.
Really is impressive
Something else Ghazhi , Kodjia and Bolasie do too.
Good footyskillz!
I don't see Hourihane being able to do that but the guy can certainly strike a good shot and occasion set play !
Completely agree. This is why he isn't the long term answer as an attacking midfielder
Post by: Dazvillain on January 04, 2019, 11:04:40 PM
CH involved in most goals 17...11 scored and 6 assists
Well done Sir
Post by: Matt Collins on January 05, 2019, 12:05:10 AM
Post by: manic-road on January 05, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
Hourihane is a stats man which is great with someone like Jack besides him , Since Jack has been out the team , Hourihane has looked poor.
The team has looked poorer since Jack has been out injured.
Post by: GarTomas on January 19, 2019, 05:17:02 PM
A central midfielder who can't run, tackle, press or pass.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 19, 2019, 05:19:06 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 19, 2019, 05:20:59 PM
Hourihane has looked very poor, problem is so is Whelan
And Jedinak. And Bjarnesson. And Lansbury.
Six options in centre-midfield, and five of them are useless.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 19, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
Exceptionally awful today. Whelan is an awesome upgrade on him as at least he shows for the ball.
A central midfielder who can't run, tackle, press or pass.
An awesome upgrade?
Come on mate. I'm no fan of Hourihane, but using awesome to describe Whelan in any shape or form is just slightly bewildering.
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
unable to kick the ball with his right foot
taking a throw in in the right corner that led to a Hull chance
runs like he is in treacle
tactically hasnt a clue where to position himself
absymal today and Bjarnsson even worse!
Post by: GarTomas on January 19, 2019, 05:23:22 PM
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Post by: wittonwarrior on January 19, 2019, 05:25:09 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 19, 2019, 05:26:56 PM
Conor Hourihane could not crush a grape or rip a tissue...and most definitely could not jump off a doll's house !
Needs to play higher up the pitch or be dropped completely. I'd rather see an U23 get some experience than have to see him lose the ball and flop to ground with his arms in the air appealing for a fantasy free-kick.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 19, 2019, 05:28:54 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2019, 05:29:44 PM
Post by: GarTomas on January 19, 2019, 05:30:27 PM
He strolls around like he thinks he is better than he actually is , a bit of arrogance which is fine is you are a really good footballer.
You've managed to sum him up perfectly there. When he had a go at McGinn for shooting at about 80ish minutes instead of passing to him. Thankfully McGinn seemed to have enough about it to tell him to do one.
Post by: Matt Collins on January 19, 2019, 05:48:42 PM
This is where Smith deserves criticism, why does he keep starting him?
Smith really likes 433
Who else should be playing at the momentin that system?
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 19, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
This is where Smith deserves criticism, why does he keep starting him?
Gotta be a lack of options. He did work quite well with Jack and McGinn, though that seems like a life time away.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2019, 06:04:01 PM
Post by: achilles on January 19, 2019, 07:35:22 PM
Don't get me started on the number of times he ends up on his backside waving his arms about for a free kick instead of getting on with the game!
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 19, 2019, 08:17:07 PM
Woeful. AGAIN
Post by: Loxton01 on January 19, 2019, 08:39:22 PM
He gets slower and slower he cannot tackle and simply cannot cover the ground.
He is simply not good enough he reminds me of Alan Thompson another one who thought he was better than what he was waving his arms about.
He is crap
Post by: CT on January 19, 2019, 08:42:18 PM
I gave him a 1 today for the assist. He is totally woeful. He is not a defensive midfielder
He gets slower and slower he cannot tackle and simply cannot cover the ground.
He is simply not good enough he reminds me of Alan Thompson another one who thought he was better than what he was waving his arms about.
He is crap
I think 1 is fairly generous Loxton! Absolutely abysmal. Only Bolasie was worse for me.
No doubt he'll pop up with a good free kick in the next few weeks to remind us how good he is before hibernating for the next six weeks.
Post by: Steve67 on January 19, 2019, 08:43:31 PM
Post by: CT on January 19, 2019, 08:50:13 PM
If he is not scoring goals, he is adding nothing to the team. He isn't a great tackler, passer or a physical presence. Big fish in a small pond at Barnsley, scored a few playing further forward under Bruce last season but utterly out of his depth with this coaching team. If we could swap him for someone, I'd be more than happy with that outcome.
I'd swap him for more half time catering staff.
Post by: Steve67 on January 19, 2019, 08:53:23 PM
If he is not scoring goals, he is adding nothing to the team. He isn't a great tackler, passer or a physical presence. Big fish in a small pond at Barnsley, scored a few playing further forward under Bruce last season but utterly out of his depth with this coaching team. If we could swap him for someone, I'd be more than happy with that outcome.
I'd swap him for more half time catering staff.
Deal!!
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Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2019, 10:30:46 AM
Another great assist by Conor, well done. Much better 2nd half showing, when pushing forward. A dm he's not and I doubt he's choosing to play that position. Woeful was bolassie and barny! What an attempted header by barny in the 2nd half when in the 6 yard box. It was easier to score yet it ended up going towards the centre circle. What did bolassie do in the 60+ minutes he was on the pitch?
Why do you not see Hourihane's weaknesses, is it an Up-Munster! thing?
Post by: Steve67 on January 20, 2019, 11:18:10 AM
He goes missing in games a bit too often but I'd say 4 goals and 7 assists this season (including yesterday) is not too bad a contribution.
Hopefully, other managers are looking at the same stats and are thinking of buying him. I am happy to provide the transport.
Post by: Matt Collins on January 20, 2019, 11:34:25 AM
His general play is pretty mediocre
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 20, 2019, 11:57:48 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 20, 2019, 12:38:07 PM
He goes missing in games a bit too often but I'd say 4 goals and 7 assists this season (including yesterday) is not too bad a contribution.If assists and goals were his only responsibility to the team then those stats are no where near good enough.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2019, 01:17:49 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 20, 2019, 01:37:59 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2019, 01:45:03 PM
He goes missing in games a bit too often but I'd say 4 goals and 7 assists this season (including yesterday) is not too bad a contribution.If assists and goals were his only responsibility to the team then those stats are no where near good enough.
He's also chipped in with goals in previous seasons. He's not perfect but he's far from one of the worst.
Post by: brian green on January 20, 2019, 01:52:32 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 20, 2019, 04:44:22 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 20, 2019, 05:33:35 PM
Until we have a defence that can defend, and a decent defensive midfielder that can mop up the scraps, we need our midfielders to mark/block/tackle to help take some of the pressure off the backline. Hourihane does NOTHING in this regard, his work ethic is abysmal. It's all very well highlighting his goals and assists, but what the stats DON'T tell us is how many opposition players he's left unmarked or players that have ghosted past him and gone on to assist or score goals against us.
IMO, all that he's going to succeed in doing is 'breaking' McGinn, as that poor bloke is having to run around the pitch for 2-3 players every game. }:[
Flatters to deceive.
Post by: andyh on January 20, 2019, 05:37:39 PM
I think it was about 8 minutes into yesterday’s when he did it again.
Post by: paul_e on January 20, 2019, 08:56:28 PM
Indeed. One thing really annoyed me watching him yesterday was his unwillingness to receive the ball, whether it be from throw-ins or when the defence bring the ball out, he never looks to make himself available. He has a talent of finding an opposition player to hide behind.
I'd take it a bit further that, he generally isn't interested in pkaying in his own half. He's a very different player once we get to their box.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2019, 09:00:35 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 20, 2019, 09:02:12 PM
Indeed. One thing really annoyed me watching him yesterday was his unwillingness to receive the ball, whether it be from throw-ins or when the defence bring the ball out, he never looks to make himself available. He has a talent of finding an opposition player to hide behind.
I'd take it a bit further that, he generally isn't interested in pkaying in his own half. He's a very different player once we get to their box.
Totally. Over the last month I seen Whelan in more advanced positions. What that was about I have no idea. Right now I'd appreciate a bit of positional discipline where everybody knows their role. It's all very freestyle and just like the jazz version, it stinks!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 20, 2019, 09:36:26 PM
I've been saying this for the last couple of seasons - Hourihane is a liability, especially in our current plight.
Until we have a defence that can defend, and a decent defensive midfielder that can mop up the scraps, we need our midfielders to mark/block/tackle to help take some of the pressure off the backline. Hourihane does NOTHING in this regard, his work ethic is abysmal. It's all very well highlighting his goals and assists, but what the stats DON'T tell us is how many opposition players he's left unmarked or players that have ghosted past him and gone on to assist or score goals against us.
IMO, all that he's going to succeed in doing is 'breaking' McGinn, as that poor bloke is having to run around the pitch for 2-3 players every game. }:[
Flatters to deceive.
I used to think broadly similar things about Frank Lampard as a player (I'm not suggesting that CH is in the same class). Whenever I verbalised this opinion I was met with incredulity. I don't know what point I'm making but at least I've had my say now.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 20, 2019, 09:51:07 PM
I've been saying this for the last couple of seasons - Hourihane is a liability, especially in our current plight.
Until we have a defence that can defend, and a decent defensive midfielder that can mop up the scraps, we need our midfielders to mark/block/tackle to help take some of the pressure off the backline. Hourihane does NOTHING in this regard, his work ethic is abysmal. It's all very well highlighting his goals and assists, but what the stats DON'T tell us is how many opposition players he's left unmarked or players that have ghosted past him and gone on to assist or score goals against us.
IMO, all that he's going to succeed in doing is 'breaking' McGinn, as that poor bloke is having to run around the pitch for 2-3 players every game. }:[
Flatters to deceive.
I used to think broadly similar things about Frank Lampard as a player (I'm not suggesting that CH is in the same class). Whenever I verbalised this opinion I was met with incredulity. I don't know what point I'm making but at least I've had my say now.
I can see the similarity in style , but he doesn't have the strength or power as Fat Frank
Post by: achilles on January 20, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
Take a bit of time over them and pass forward, not rocket science!
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2019, 12:50:18 AM
I've been saying this for the last couple of seasons - Hourihane is a liability, especially in our current plight.
Until we have a defence that can defend, and a decent defensive midfielder that can mop up the scraps, we need our midfielders to mark/block/tackle to help take some of the pressure off the backline. Hourihane does NOTHING in this regard, his work ethic is abysmal. It's all very well highlighting his goals and assists, but what the stats DON'T tell us is how many opposition players he's left unmarked or players that have ghosted past him and gone on to assist or score goals against us.
IMO, all that he's going to succeed in doing is 'breaking' McGinn, as that poor bloke is having to run around the pitch for 2-3 players every game. }:[
Flatters to deceive.
I used to think broadly similar things about Frank Lampard as a player (I'm not suggesting that CH is in the same class). Whenever I verbalised this opinion I was met with incredulity. I don't know what point I'm making but at least I've had my say now.
I can see the similarity in style , but he doesn't have the strength or power as Fat Frank
More importantly Lampard scored about 1 in 3 over his career, making him as productive as almost any 2nd striker around and he played most of his career in teams that were built to have a shielding midfielder and a deep playmaker behind him so he could press defenders high up up the pitch and not have to get into his own box all that often. If Hourihane was the cover for Grealish and got into the box more consistently then he'd be a decent squad player but as is the midfield just isn't setup for someone who offers so little in his own half.
Post by: adrenachrome on January 21, 2019, 01:31:40 AM
Indeed. One thing really annoyed me watching him yesterday was his unwillingness to receive the ball, whether it be from throw-ins or when the defence bring the ball out, he never looks to make himself available. He has a talent of finding an opposition player to hide behind.
I'd take it a bit further that, he generally isn't interested in pkaying in his own half. He's a very different player once we get to their box.
Totally. Over the last month I seen Whelan in more advanced positions. What that was about I have no idea. Right now I'd appreciate a bit of positional discipline where everybody knows their role. It's all very freestyle and just like the jazz version, it stinks!
No half decent jazz outfit starts with the riffing in the absence of a solid rhythm section groove.
Post by: footyskillz on January 21, 2019, 10:00:37 PM
He’s useful as an impact player if we need a goal. He’s not a midfielder who can do the defensive side of the game.
Yes if he didn't score goals he would be an avearge player with a left foot.
Really struggles at this level in many respects.
Unable to impose himself, can't dominate anything and severely lacking in pace.
He's at an age now where he's peaked and I don't see him getting much better.
He'd be totally and utterly lost in premier league and that's with the quality going down.
Suited to Scottish football of rangers or Celtic and excell against limited opposition.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 13, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2019, 10:25:49 PM
He's so poor off the ball, so slow, so one footed, he's got to be left out.
To look better at the press without him in midfield is a huge indictment.
One of many I hope aren't here next season.
Post by: Matt Collins on February 13, 2019, 10:26:42 PM
Don't think he'll be in the team at the start of next season tho
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2019, 10:26:54 PM
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2019, 10:27:35 PM
In fairness who should be playing instead?
Who would be worse? Would O'Hare for example, be less effective than Hourihane was tonight?
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 13, 2019, 10:28:35 PM
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2019, 10:29:32 PM
I refuse to accept we don’t have someone in the squad that would be less effective.
Errr?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2019, 10:30:03 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on February 13, 2019, 10:31:34 PM
In fairness who should be playing instead?
Who would be worse? Would O'Hare for example, be less effective than Hourihane was tonight?
I don't know.. But I doubt that if he'd played all season he'd have the same goals and assists
Let's hope he comes back to villa next season ready to go straight into the team
Post by: TheMalandro on February 13, 2019, 10:34:07 PM
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Post by: footyskillz on February 13, 2019, 11:22:24 PM
Maybe contempt
Maybe tears ?!
Had an interesting look into crowd
I saw on Telly and I think he knows he's not a favorite but was clapping to acknowledge fans support of team.
Seems a decent character but think he's lost a lot of confidence as a player.
Really should have just chipped in over rushing keeper tonight .
And there was more than one 50/50 he didn't get involved with.
The one most are talking of after his initial corner was cleared - really he should have read that and made it to the ball.
However there was another instance before a fall by 'mopey' or 'soy sauce' in area that he didn't make tackle.
Also lost out in middle with one
And another left side second half where he stopped and was waving it out of play.
He's nothing more than decent level championship player.
A top level one on his day
And be struggling to be even mid level at the moment
Send him to Huddersfield next season in exchange for moy, billing or even Jonathan Hogg!
Post by: footyskillz on February 13, 2019, 11:28:25 PM
Indeed. One thing really annoyed me watching him yesterday was his unwillingness to receive the ball, whether it be from throw-ins or when the defence bring the ball out, he never looks to make himself available. He has a talent of finding an opposition player to hide behind.
Still doing it a month on - running away from throw ins
Indeed he runs away when there is a throw! Tonight I felt your annoyance
Fine if he's vacating space for other players but it's a kinda cowardice.
A lack of responsibility.
He goes missing ! and I hoping the coaching team with makes him watch on devices and recordings of his positioning and duties.
It was beyond a joke tonight where he took up non position to receive the ball majority of time.
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2019, 11:30:31 PM
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 14, 2019, 12:12:05 AM
We had tears in our eyes watching him.
His defensive efforts tonight were woeful. He just gave up a couple of times when he was chasing back.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 14, 2019, 12:19:03 AM
In an ideal world I'd move him on but we have more pressing issues and he'd be a decent enough squad player.
Not good enough to be starting every single game though.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2019, 12:53:11 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2019, 02:51:00 AM
Sell in the summer.
Post by: CT Villan on February 14, 2019, 04:03:09 AM
Post by: KRS on February 14, 2019, 04:19:39 AM
Receives the ball and lays it off without taking any responsibility. Found myself shouting at the tv when Hutton had a throw in, but instead of moving and showing for it, he just jogged off and hid further up the pitch leaving Hutton and Whelan to make idiots of themselves by heading it straight back out for a throw to Brentford.
He also had a great chance to make amends in the second half when he was through 1 on 1 with their keeper...but bottled it.
Worth noting that he wasn't even taking set pieces tonight so he contributed even less than usual. Complete show pony trotting around and hiding.
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Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 14, 2019, 08:01:54 AM
IMO, the reason for our dip in form when Grealish got injured is that we were at least a little bit more balanced with him in midfield back then. You had McGinn and Grealish shouldering the burden between them, with Hourihane getting away with murder in the background. Now Grealish is out, it's just McGinn, which has massively exposed Hourihane. Can't tackle, doesn't track his man, never busts a gut when team is in trouble. We've been playing every game with 10 men.
Smith MUST see this surely?! Put ANY of our squad in there and you would see an improvement, even switch him out for a 2nd striker and go 4-4-2?!
He makes my blood boil that much, I even contemplated putting a 'lowlights' reel together last night when he just let that Brentford player waltz past him along the touchline. Utterly abysmal player who is out of his depth, and we won't start getting points on the board until he is out of the team.
Post by: andyh on February 14, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
But Hourihane is a central midfielder for fucks sake, it’s his job to get involved.
The way he half dangles his leg out in an effort to challenge an opponent is embarrassing and pathetic.
Central midfielder? My arse.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 14, 2019, 10:31:14 AM
I thought he worked hard tonight. Not enough to fill the gaping chasm that is our anti-midfield but I thought he was ok - better than McGinn anyway, who works like nobody I've ever seen but it affects his composure. Needs a rest.
McGinn is starting to get dragged down to the level of the others but I think you could be right, probably needs a rest. It doesn't help playing alongside Whelan and Hourahane and trying to make up for their deficiencies either.
Conor Hourahane, what a fucking cheese dick.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 14, 2019, 11:29:40 AM
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Post by: paul_e on February 14, 2019, 01:08:02 PM
One of the most ineffective midfield players I've ever had the misfortune to watch.
He's infuriating to watch, he spends most of the game doing an impression of wanting the ball but not actually trying to get it. If he'd finished his chance or put some quality into the box I'd have some more sympathy to him because he'd be finding ways to have an impact despite being largely anonymous but in games like last night where he doesn't score or put a decent ball in he's just not worth his place.
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
Post by: footyskillz on February 14, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
I'm similar to him when I play. I'm shit at anticipating what's going to happen until its too late, unless I'm in defence and can see it unfold in front of me. When I have the ball I can hit a pretty decent pass etc and have vision. It's why I only play 5-a-side. He's like a striker that scores goals and offers nothing else, except he doesn't score or assist enough and you really can't afford the luxury of that sort of player in midfield and even up front these days.
Don't be hard on yourself .
I reckon you offer far more verve and dynamism !
And you clearly show an awareness of your playing abilities !
Something Hourihane could do by having a good look at how he plays !
Post by: tomd2103 on February 14, 2019, 02:08:18 PM
The best one for me tonight was when he stopped and raised his arm imploring the ref to give us a throw-in when Brentford were attacking down our left close to the touchline. After about 5 seconds he realised that he wasn't getting the throw and that Brentford and the ref were now 10 yards further up the pitch. So, driven by his never-say-die work ethic, he gave up and jogged back.
Yep, saw that one as well. His 'efforts' to block two crosses that resulted from the corner just before he went up the other end and missed that chance were equally pathetic.
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2019, 02:17:55 PM
Post by: john e on February 16, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
better than Mcginns in certain games, just shows what a load of old bollocks they show us
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Post by: Risso on February 16, 2019, 01:07:07 PM
If we had a team like this, his shooting and dead ball ability would be a real asset:
Decent right back - Chester - Mings - decent left back
Grealish - McGinn - Hourihane
Decent right winger - Tammy - decent left winger
In that team, with a solid defence, and McGinn doing the donkey work, you'd have Jack creating space, and the wingers benefitting from that, leaving Hourihane free to pick the ball up 30 yards out and attack into space.
At the moment, both flanks are utterly shit, with dreadful full backs and piss poor wingers contributing next to nothing. We then also have one of two geriatrics playing the holding role. Hourihane is being asked to do a role that doesn't suit him, in a team where at least half of the outfield players are complete rubbish.
He's really pissed me off of late, but in a decent team I think he'd still be an asset, Unlike Whelan, Jedinak, Bjarnason, Hutton and Taylor, who are either old, shit, or both, and need clearing out as soon as possible.
Post by: Steve67 on February 16, 2019, 02:51:47 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 16, 2019, 02:56:20 PM
He's played more often than not as a dm with even whelan and barny playing further forward than him. He's not a dm and playing their nullifies his strengths. But lets not allow detail to get in the way of scapegoating, an all too easy thing to do. I've every confidence that when Hourihane is moved out of the team some posters on here will find a new scapegoat because after all that's what they do best.Absolute horseshit. ANY footballer should be able to run, mark his man, stick a foot in, etc. He's been on a free ride all season. We can forgive quality, but lack of effort - Not a chance.
He's garbage.
Hope he makes me eat my words today, but I'd wager this isn't going to happen.
Post by: Steve67 on February 16, 2019, 03:00:26 PM
He's played more often than not as a dm with even whelan and barny playing further forward than him. He's not a dm and playing their nullifies his strengths. But lets not allow detail to get in the way of scapegoating, an all too easy thing to do. I've every confidence that when Hourihane is moved out of the team some posters on here will find a new scapegoat because after all that's what they do best.Absolute horseshit. ANY footballer should be able to run, mark his man, stick a foot in, etc. He's been on a free ride all season. We can forgive quality, but lack of effort - Not a chance.
He's garbage.
Hope he makes me eat my words today, but I'd wager this isn't going to happen.
Hologram has been awful for far too long and is only in the side as he is marginally less shit than some others. I think you are blinded by the fact that he is a fellow countryman Abbey?
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2019, 03:01:47 PM
He's played more often than not as a dm with even whelan and barny playing further forward than him. He's not a dm and playing their nullifies his strengths. But lets not allow detail to get in the way of scapegoating, an all too easy thing to do. I've every confidence that when Hourihane is moved out of the team some posters on here will find a new scapegoat because after all that's what they do best.Nullifies his strengths, hilarious.
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2019, 03:35:43 PM
For shit like Barnsley, he's fucking ace. For Villa, he's bang average. This is what worries me about the links to the Brentford players, they are decent but not for a bigger club with bigger aspirations. We have managed to fill our squad with bang average players with few exceptions.
He was pretty good for Villa last year in fairness. The number of goals and assists he got aren't to be sniffed at. His limitations though are glaring. Inability to physically compete, one paced, one sided and that's for starters
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 16, 2019, 03:53:06 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on February 16, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2019, 04:02:08 PM
What the fuck was he doing for their second.
What the fuck was he doing for their second.I think he thought he might get hurt so he bottled it as usual.
Post by: CT Villan on February 16, 2019, 04:03:18 PM
Post by: manic-road on February 16, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
For shit like Barnsley, he's fucking ace. For Villa, he's bang average. This is what worries me about the links to the Brentford players, they are decent but not for a bigger club with bigger aspirations. We have managed to fill our squad with bang average players with few exceptions.
He was pretty good for Villa last year in fairness. The number of goals and assists he got aren't to be sniffed at. His limitations though are glaring. Inability to physically compete, one paced, one sided and that's for starters
I remember the same being said about Barry.
Post by: Steve67 on February 16, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 16, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2019, 04:36:57 PM
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2019, 04:37:53 PM
For shit like Barnsley, he's fucking ace. For Villa, he's bang average. This is what worries me about the links to the Brentford players, they are decent but not for a bigger club with bigger aspirations. We have managed to fill our squad with bang average players with few exceptions.
He was pretty good for Villa last year in fairness. The number of goals and assists he got aren't to be sniffed at. His limitations though are glaring. Inability to physically compete, one paced, one sided and that's for starters
I remember the same being said about Barry.
Barry who came straight into defence as a 17 year old. Nobody ever said he wasn't physically capable.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2019, 04:40:10 PM
No just complete bollocks, compare the performance of a 38 year old Barry to this twat.For shit like Barnsley, he's fucking ace. For Villa, he's bang average. This is what worries me about the links to the Brentford players, they are decent but not for a bigger club with bigger aspirations. We have managed to fill our squad with bang average players with few exceptions.
He was pretty good for Villa last year in fairness. The number of goals and assists he got aren't to be sniffed at. His limitations though are glaring. Inability to physically compete, one paced, one sided and that's for starters
I remember the same being said about Barry.
Barry who came straight into defence as a 17 year old. Nobody ever said he wasn't physically capable.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 16, 2019, 04:40:52 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2019, 05:00:46 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on February 16, 2019, 05:02:47 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 16, 2019, 05:09:58 PM
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2019, 05:19:34 PM
Absolutely shocking. He's an atrocious player.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 16, 2019, 05:27:15 PM
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2019, 05:39:37 PM
He is abysmal. No he's not. He really doesn't deserve to be praised that highly. Get the fuck out of the club, you useless shower.
Post by: john e on February 16, 2019, 05:41:21 PM
Post by: Richard on February 16, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2019, 05:43:31 PM
Today was a diabolical performance.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2019, 05:44:17 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 16, 2019, 05:44:30 PM
Post by: London Villan on February 16, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
Thing is, he is decent technical football, who has played ok when we are on the front foot and there is space on the pitch to play. But at the moment he is crap.
Post by: colin69 on February 16, 2019, 05:48:16 PM
No player should be jeered when he goes off - was he really any worse than Elmo or Whelan?
Yes he was and should never play for us again. An absolute excuse of a footballer.
Elmo played well first half....
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2019, 05:48:50 PM
No player should be jeered when he goes off
He deserved the massive round of fucks he got today, hasn't put an ounce of effort in lately. That a departing opposing player got a much better send off from the Villa fans than he did speaks volumes.
Post by: john e on February 16, 2019, 05:51:35 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2019, 05:54:11 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2019, 05:56:54 PM
Post by: frank black on February 16, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
Post by: myf on February 16, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 16, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
Dread to think how the midfield will play next two games and doubt Hourihane will be dropped as he does offer a goal threat at least compared to the others.
Post by: Roysmert on February 16, 2019, 08:19:03 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 16, 2019, 08:28:41 PM
Post by: XXVilla on February 16, 2019, 08:39:21 PM
Post by: malckennedy on February 16, 2019, 08:50:07 PM
I think he has value cleaning cars at Bodymoor Heath
Has never been anything other than average. That is, his performances are usually poor and weak but an occasional spectacular shot and goal pulls the average score up to mediocre. Not his fault but he just isn’t anywhere near the standard required.
Post by: Clampy on February 16, 2019, 08:57:09 PM
Today we saw the culmination of the destruction of his Villa career, and his outrageously slow walk off when we're two nil down, will go down in history as his Steve Hodge moment. The fuck out of our club.
I think comparing him to Steve Hodge is a tad way over the top to be honest.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 16, 2019, 09:00:44 PM
Today we saw the culmination of the destruction of his Villa career, and his outrageously slow walk off when we're two nil down, will go down in history as his Steve Hodge moment. The fuck out of our club.
I think comparing him to Steve Hodge is a tad way over the top to be honest.
Just a bit.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 16, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
A cowardly performance, if we are playing fanny merchants then they need to contribute far more going forward then he does.
Arsehole.
Post by: Roysmert on February 16, 2019, 09:09:21 PM
Today we saw the culmination of the destruction of his Villa career, and his outrageously slow walk off when we're two nil down, will go down in history as his Steve Hodge moment. The fuck out of our club.
I think comparing him to Steve Hodge is a tad way over the top to be honest.
Just a bit.
True. He's nowhere near that good. You love getting stuck in to posters, don't you?
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2019, 09:13:31 PM
I like it when Paulie goes in two footed and knee high on posters.
Post by: Roysmert on February 16, 2019, 09:20:32 PM
Post by: charleeco7 on February 16, 2019, 09:35:56 PM
Post by: frank black on February 16, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
He now needs to work very hard and have a look at himself. It’s the lack of effort he has exuded of late which is never going to go down well with fans. He gets tackled and waves his arms around calling for fouls, he gives it away and doesn’t try to get it back and he rarely keeps up with the pace of games.
Post by: Gareth on February 16, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
Out of form and playing way out of position. Another example of DS having to fit square pegs in round holes because of our totally unbalanced squad.Definitely out of form but I’m not sure I agree that he is out of position, he is playing centre midfield which is surely his position?
I stood and applauded him being taken off today, I certainly don’t see what is wrong with supporters letting a manager/player know that their performance has been unacceptable - whilst I personally wouldn’t boo I did applaud, was it sarcastic? No, was I annoyed? Yes.
Think his stroppy stroll off the field didn’t help, it was completely our time his petulance was wasting.
This isn’t the NFL so we don’t have specialist set piece takers - he has to contribute a lot more in open play - he doesn’t tackle, is always 5 yards behind the ball and if 1 in 5 passes goes forward I think I’d be over egging it for him.
Bruce has left us some utter pish in centre of midfield - McGinn & Jack excepted they are all slow, ponderous & technically very average.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 16, 2019, 10:17:36 PM
Today we saw the culmination of the destruction of his Villa career, and his outrageously slow walk off when we're two nil down, will go down in history as his Steve Hodge moment. The fuck out of our club.
He'll more than likey start the next game.
Post by: Clampy on February 16, 2019, 10:25:41 PM
Today we saw the culmination of the destruction of his Villa career, and his outrageously slow walk off when we're two nil down, will go down in history as his Steve Hodge moment. The fuck out of our club.
I think comparing him to Steve Hodge is a tad way over the top to be honest.
Just a bit.
True. He's nowhere near that good. You love getting stuck in to posters, don't you?
Are you suggesting your opinion should not be disagreed with?
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 16, 2019, 10:29:26 PM
However when you think of the 10 + players who will be leaving, we obviously need depth beyond the first 11.
Would be hugely disappointed if he's still starting games in August.
Post by: frank black on February 16, 2019, 10:29:57 PM
Today we saw the culmination of the destruction of his Villa career, and his outrageously slow walk off when we're two nil down, will go down in history as his Steve Hodge moment. The fuck out of our club.
I think comparing him to Steve Hodge is a tad way over the top to be honest.
Just a bit.
True. He's nowhere near that good. You love getting stuck in to posters, don't you?
Are you suggesting your opinion should not be disagreed with?
Are you suggesting he shouldn’t suggest his opinion shouldn’t be disagreed with?
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 16, 2019, 10:38:25 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2019, 11:49:14 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2019, 11:50:35 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 16, 2019, 11:52:34 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2019, 01:02:55 AM
Out of form and playing way out of position. Another example of DS having to fit square pegs in round holes because of our totally unbalanced squad.I think his form is consistent and he has been crap wherever he has played.
A passenger and now the crowd has recognized it.
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 17, 2019, 01:40:26 AM
The manager needs to be braver and take a player who's that low on confidence out of the firing line for his own good.
Now SJM is banned, the manager has no option but to select him
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2019, 01:54:48 AM
Not that there is anything left to play for.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 17, 2019, 02:02:08 AM
Post by: Des Little on February 17, 2019, 08:26:27 AM
Post by: ROBBO on February 17, 2019, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: Virgil Caine on February 17, 2019, 08:35:03 AM
He’s been poor for some time, and for what it’s worth I don’t think he should have started yesterday, but clearly Smith thought otherwise. It’s all about opinions, but I’m not in favour of cheering a substitution like his, I think it’s counter productive, and now we are left with what appears to be a broken man when we are going to have little choice but include him whilst SJM is out. It’s all very sad.
Don’t disagree with you Des but there is a danger of mollycoddling players now. If he has any character or professionalism Hourihane will be determined to prove the Manager and crowd wrong and work on those elements of his game that caused him to be substituted.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 17, 2019, 01:11:54 PM
Today we saw the culmination of the destruction of his Villa career, and his outrageously slow walk off when we're two nil down, will go down in history as his Steve Hodge moment. The fuck out of our club.
I think comparing him to Steve Hodge is a tad way over the top to be honest.
Just a bit.
True. He's nowhere near that good. You love getting stuck in to posters, don't you?
What on earth are you talking about?
"Getting stuck into"?
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 23, 2019, 06:57:08 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 23, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Post by: achilles on February 23, 2019, 10:20:41 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 24, 2019, 09:25:19 AM
Post by: Scratchins on February 24, 2019, 09:42:38 AM
On a side note, the idiot behind me who called him a Fenian bastard after he took two corners, that were not very good, what a tool! Fenian is a derogatory term used against Catholics, would he call Tammy or any of our black players by the N word, well he might!! We’re not in Glasgow leave this shite away from Villa, it’s a racist horrible thing to sayThis
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 24, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
Also the F*** the IRA chant when MacLean touched the ball. Spouted with venom by the middle aged couple behind me. Funnily,they didn't join in any other chants.On a side note, the idiot behind me who called him a Fenian bastard after he took two corners, that were not very good, what a tool! Fenian is a derogatory term used against Catholics, would he call Tammy or any of our black players by the N word, well he might!! We’re not in Glasgow leave this shite away from Villa, it’s a racist horrible thing to sayThis
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2019, 10:01:03 AM
To be fair to him I thought he played much better today, except for those two corners and definitely put a shift in.
Yep, agree with that.
Post by: brontebilly on February 24, 2019, 11:11:44 AM
On a side note, the idiot behind me who called him a Fenian bastard after he took two corners, that were not very good, what a tool! Fenian is a derogatory term used against Catholics, would he call Tammy or any of our black players by the N word, well he might!! We’re not in Glasgow leave this shite away from Villa, it’s a racist horrible thing to say
Funnily enough, the town Hourihane is from, Bandon, wouldn't exactly be a fenian hotbed. Like a town from the shires; rugby, hockey etc. More famous for its other son, Graham Norton.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 24, 2019, 01:22:29 PM
Maybe they could do a job swap.On a side note, the idiot behind me who called him a Fenian bastard after he took two corners, that were not very good, what a tool! Fenian is a derogatory term used against Catholics, would he call Tammy or any of our black players by the N word, well he might!! We’re not in Glasgow leave this shite away from Villa, it’s a racist horrible thing to say
Funnily enough, the town Hourihane is from, Bandon, wouldn't exactly be a fenian hotbed. Like a town from the shires; rugby, hockey etc. More famous for its other son, Graham Norton.
Post by: eamonn on February 24, 2019, 02:13:17 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 02, 2019, 03:45:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2019, 03:50:53 PM
Play him right, have Jack in the side and there you go.
You put in McGinn to do the grunt work, Hourihane to float around the final third and Jack pulling the strings behind the scenes. Hourihane is always capable of this.
Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2019, 04:56:52 PM
not a holding midfielder by any stretch of the imagination but given time and space is a decent operator at this level.
simply cannot knock his goal return for us either.
Post by: Steve67 on March 02, 2019, 05:00:07 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on March 02, 2019, 05:00:53 PM
Also thought Whelan had his best game for us. Credit where credit's due and all that.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 02, 2019, 05:02:08 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2019, 05:03:40 PM
Consistency is the key though. With SJM back, I wonder whether it'll be Hourihane or Whelan that makes way?
McGinn will have to start on the bench surely, only change will be at centre half. Hope Chester will be back.
Cracking ball from Hourihane late on, el Ghazi should have scored
Post by: GarTomas on March 02, 2019, 05:04:30 PM
Decisions decisions for Smith next week.
Post by: London Villan on March 02, 2019, 05:07:39 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2019, 05:16:35 PM
As much as I like SJM it would be incredibly harsh to drop Whelan or Hotlips after their performances today.
Yes. I would like to think Whelan will be professional about it and know that McGinn is the fitter, younger player.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 02, 2019, 05:26:50 PM
Post by: Ad@m on March 02, 2019, 06:04:39 PM
Post by: Villafirst on March 02, 2019, 06:45:55 PM
Consistency is the key though. With SJM back, I wonder whether it'll be Hourihane or Whelan that makes way?
McGinn will have to start on the bench surely, only change will be at centre half. Hope Chester will be back.
Cracking ball from Hourihane late on, el Ghazi should have scored
No way you can leave McGinn out against SHA! That will be a hard bitten Derby. A totally different proposition to today....
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2019, 07:18:42 PM
Consistency is the key though. With SJM back, I wonder whether it'll be Hourihane or Whelan that makes way?
McGinn will have to start on the bench surely, only change will be at centre half. Hope Chester will be back.
Cracking ball from Hourihane late on, el Ghazi should have scored
No way you can leave McGinn out against SHA! That will be a hard bitten Derby. A totally different proposition to today....
Who are you going to drop though? Both Whelan and Hourihane were great today.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2019, 07:21:30 PM
Post by: achilles on March 02, 2019, 08:16:36 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 02, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 02, 2019, 09:07:34 PM
I think we'll need Whelan next week. And McGinn. And Hourihane. And obviously Grealish. We may not need both wingers.
There was a nose on WM after the games. From the sound of it, they're really struggling in the middle of their midfield.
If we stick to what we do, I don't think we should have too many worries.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 02, 2019, 09:12:39 PM
I think we'll need Whelan next week. And McGinn. And Hourihane. And obviously Grealish. We may not need both wingers.
There was a nose on WM after the games. From the sound of it, they're really struggling in the middle of their midfield.
If we stick to what we do, I don't think we should have too many worries.
I listened to that (because I get excited after we turn in a performance and I'm pathetic). The Monk interview was ridiculous. He basically admitted that he was thinking of next week in the Hull game, and allowed the whole interview to be dominated by the game against us. He's let himself get sucked in to their obsession. Obviously, that might work out for them, but it invites totally needless pressure.
Post by: KRS on March 02, 2019, 09:12:46 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 02, 2019, 09:14:54 PM
Hologram has taken a lot of criticism over the last few weeks but fairplay to him today playing further up the pitch, however SJM has to come straight back in...no questions asked on that one. It’s a nice midfield conundrum for Smith to have (with Carroll also available) but I’d be thinking either Adomah or El Ghazi will have to make way. We need our strongest and most creative midfield next week, and Smith now has a few options off the bench...it’s a team game after all.
Perhaps 'fair play' ought to extend to using his real name?
Post by: KRS on March 02, 2019, 09:26:01 PM
Credit where credit is due but let’s not pretend that he’s not been absolutely shite over the last few weeks and his performances earned him that suitable tongue in cheek name. It’s up to Conor Hourihane himself to maintain a consistent good level of performance now and become a valuable asset to this team..we would all be happy with that.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 02, 2019, 09:33:39 PM
That’s the only comment you have on my post? Get over yourself.
Credit where credit is due but let’s not pretend that he’s not been absolutely shite over the last few weeks and his performances earned him that suitable tongue in cheek name. It’s up to Conor Hourihane himself to maintain a consistent good level of performance now and become a valuable asset to this team..we would all be happy with that.
That was my only comment on your post.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 02, 2019, 09:37:42 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on March 02, 2019, 09:44:24 PM
Post by: KRS on March 02, 2019, 09:44:59 PM
Post by: KRS on March 02, 2019, 09:46:08 PM
KRS wtf get a grip!WTF Abbey?!
Post by: colin69 on March 03, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
Let’s see if he can keep it going.
Post by: frank black on March 03, 2019, 08:38:16 AM
KRS wtf get a grip!WTF Abbey?!
WTF, both
Post by: Rigadon on March 03, 2019, 08:38:24 AM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2019, 01:14:12 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 03, 2019, 01:23:39 PM
Anyone watched the extended highlights on Youtube yet? What's with the commentator pronouncing Hourihane as Houri-HAINE ( sounds like rain ). Is that how it should be pronounced?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2019, 09:59:23 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2019, 10:24:25 PM
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Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
Post by: Diablo on March 18, 2019, 02:44:39 PM
Eastie would know his wife's name, the baby's name and weight and the date of the christening. Come on Diablo, sharpen up!Haha! Point taken I'll order my GoPro Hero 7 Action Camera for next time.
Post by: footyskillz on March 18, 2019, 08:18:37 PM
I mean Mcginn doing his job
I mean I like to see what Carroll has on offer
And that Hourihane can be a bench man.
As we know Hourihane biggest assets are his shooting set pieces and there for potential assists.
But I mean we have other players who could be as capable and hopefully show more guile and despite being pleased with a few recent goals he wasn't brilliant against Forest for me.
Post by: Richard on March 18, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 18, 2019, 10:55:28 PM
Post by: KRS on March 18, 2019, 11:48:38 PM
Post by: footyskillz on March 19, 2019, 12:08:48 AM
Anyone watched the extended highlights on Youtube yet? What's with the commentator pronouncing Hourihane as Houri-HAINE ( sounds like rain ). Is that how it should be pronounced?
"How- ra- hun"
Oh how he doesn't run hun
Post by: andyh on April 30, 2019, 08:41:53 PM
I have been a big critic of Hourihane over the last few months and have found him very frustrating at times.
But, the way he stood up on Sunday and showed his passion, fight and desire, he has shot up in my estimation.
He plays too many backwards passes sometimes, but I’m now going to be blind to that because there is no doubt the bloke cares, and you can’t ask for more than that.
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
Post by: XXVilla on April 30, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 30, 2019, 10:49:52 PM
Well Dean did say they were squaring up to each other in training...
I bet they've been laughing and pissing about in training by diving like a Bamford all week.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2019, 01:12:42 AM
Post by: Singapore Villa on May 01, 2019, 06:00:20 AM
Onwards and upwards.
UTV.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 04, 2019, 06:26:12 AM
I'd still pick whelan ahead of him other than when whelan needs resting. He gives us more presence and allows Jack and mcginn to play higher up the pitch.
Post by: Brassneck on May 04, 2019, 08:17:22 AM
Very very lucky. I can't fathom how they reached that view
I'd still pick whelan ahead of him other than when whelan needs resting. He gives us more presence and allows Jack and mcginn to play higher up the pitch.
Whelan for me as well.
I guess that Conor escaped further punishment because he was booked in the melee and I don't think that the EFL can override the ref's decision.
Post by: Clampy on May 04, 2019, 09:35:02 AM
Post by: Tom Stewart on May 04, 2019, 10:28:41 AM
Agree that Whelan is currently ahead of him in the pecking order. His quick, one-touch passing game is better IMO, as is his tactical knowledge of the DM position, and also his bravery to get on the ball as much as possible. I really like that about Glenn.
I expect to see Conor play a part at some point, though. Whelan probably doesn't have the legs for 180 minutes of intense football in 4 days. Plus, we do miss his set-pieces when he isn't in the side. Don't carry anywhere near the same threat from deadballs.
Post by: villan from luton on May 04, 2019, 10:42:15 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2019, 10:44:25 PM
Post by: KRS on May 04, 2019, 11:16:25 PM
Whelan will play first leg for sure, have to see if he can manage the quick turnaround.Whelan would be more suited to the second leg if we need to defend a lead, but quite rightly there are concerns over his legs lasting the distance with 2 games in quick succession. Having his level head and experience at the Baggies game may also be better than Conor having another rush of blood to the head. Most importantly we need to take advantage of the home leg first and go to their place with a comfortable 2 or 3 goal cushion.
Post by: passitsideways on May 05, 2019, 11:17:35 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 05, 2019, 06:34:20 PM
Whelan will play first leg for sure, have to see if he can manage the quick turnaround.Whelan would be more suited to the second leg if we need to defend a lead, but quite rightly there are concerns over his legs lasting the distance with 2 games in quick succession. Having his level head and experience at the Baggies game may also be better than Conor having another rush of blood to the head. Most importantly we need to take advantage of the home leg first and go to their place with a comfortable 2 or 3 goal cushion.
I hope I'm wrong but I can't see it being as easy as that.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 06, 2019, 10:56:35 AM
Seems a bit counter intuitive, but he gives us a better platform and allows mcginn and jack to play w more freedom
Plus their biggest strength is their front two so we need to be tight there
But it's a shame not to have such a goal threat
Post by: GarTomas on May 11, 2019, 02:51:04 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 02:54:23 PM
I’m one of his biggest critics but made an impact today and a great strike to turn the game.
Whelan was slowing the play down too much and doesn't offer a threat from range, Hourihane sped up the play and punished them for defending too deep.
Post by: themossman on May 11, 2019, 02:58:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2019, 03:02:38 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2019, 03:02:47 PM
Big respect to Hourihane. Really stepped up today when most of the team looked like bottling it.
This.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 11, 2019, 03:03:37 PM
A good Villa player.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2019, 03:05:22 PM
Whelan will play first leg for sure, have to see if he can manage the quick turnaround.Whelan would be more suited to the second leg if we need to defend a lead, but quite rightly there are concerns over his legs lasting the distance with 2 games in quick succession. Having his level head and experience at the Baggies game may also be better than Conor having another rush of blood to the head. Most importantly we need to take advantage of the home leg first and go to their place with a comfortable 2 or 3 goal cushion.
No chance Whelan is starting now even with need to protect lead.
We can score a goal or two at Hawthorns like we did in December so I really can't see us going there and just parking the bus like WBA did today.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2019, 03:20:15 PM
Post by: achilles on May 11, 2019, 04:09:23 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2019, 05:42:03 PM
Great to bring him on to have an impact not trundling around the pitch achieving little.
Post by: KRS on May 11, 2019, 07:03:46 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 07:09:10 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 11, 2019, 07:14:36 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 11, 2019, 07:28:56 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2019, 08:52:55 PM
Post by: KRS on May 11, 2019, 09:19:24 PM
Edit: shocking school boy spelling mistake!
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2019, 09:19:35 PM
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Post by: olaftab on May 11, 2019, 09:33:44 PM
10 of their players in the box and Gayle on the half way line when that one flys into the back of the net. Absolute beauty!It was unbelievable regression defending from them. Jack had yards of room inside the area as they defended the 6 yard box. No one picks Conor as he screams at Jack for a pass.
Post by: dave shelley on May 12, 2019, 12:55:48 AM
10 of their players in the box and Gayle on the half way line when that one flys into the back of the net. Absolute beauty!It was unbelievable regression defending from them. Jack had yards of room inside the area as they defended the 6 yard box. No one picks Conor as he screams at Jack for a pass.
...And gets it.
Post by: LukeJames on May 12, 2019, 02:33:17 AM
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 12, 2019, 08:10:37 AM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 12, 2019, 08:18:14 AM
I’m so pleased he’s turned it round after his rough patch in February. I hope some of our fans who dished out abuse are now having a look at themselves.
Post by: Clampy on May 12, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
He is a better player when the opposition is tired.
Great to bring him on to have an impact not trundling around the pitch achieving little.
I wouldn't call 11 assists and 8 goals as trundling around the pitch achieving little to be honest. There's room for improvement but I think he's been a great signing for the money.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 12, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Post by: mr underhill on May 12, 2019, 09:46:59 AM
Post by: Roysmert on May 12, 2019, 11:40:12 AM
The thing is, he's great to have as a regularly involved member of the squad, but he's not someone that you want starting week in week out if you've got any serious intent on trying to get promoted. He certainly went up a few more rungs in the likeability scale yesterday and as pointed out, he's been excellent value for money.
Yes he's clearly no Tom fucking Huddlestone or Jake fucking Livermore, is he? Come on, he's EXACTLY what you need in a promotion squad.
Post by: kieron on May 29, 2019, 11:46:49 AM
Post by: oldtimernow on May 29, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Westwood seems to be doing ok for the other clarets so I think Conor deserves a shot at the PL, more to work with
Post by: supertom on May 29, 2019, 12:04:12 PM
Post by: MalcolmP on May 29, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/conor-hourihane-man-always-knew-201736
Great read - learnt quite a bit about him from all that.
Post by: kieron on May 29, 2019, 12:18:22 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 29, 2019, 02:39:25 PM
Don't see him pointing too much though (!)
Westwood seems to be doing ok for the other clarets so I think Conor deserves a shot at the PL, more to work with
A mate of a mate who is a Burnley fan tells me Westie was voted their player of the season.
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2019, 02:44:01 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2019, 02:44:40 PM
Don't see him pointing too much though (!)
Westwood seems to be doing ok for the other clarets so I think Conor deserves a shot at the PL, more to work with
A mate of a mate who is a Burnley fan tells me Westie was voted their player of the season.
Lancs Telegraph re Pointy
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ASHLEY Westwood was the big winner at the Clarets' annual Player of the Year awards night on Sunday.
The midfielder won the club's official award which was voted for by supporters – and made it a memorable night by also being named Players' Player of the Year by his Burnley team mates.
Westwood picked up the awards at a gala awards night that took place at Turf Moor as a reward for a fantastic season, which saw the 29-year-old play a key part in helping Sean Dyche's side secure a fourth successive season in the Premier League.
The former Aston Villa man has started 30 league matches in his most productive campaign in a Claret shirt.
And his performances, driving Sean Dyche's side on from the middle of the pitch, were pivotal in the eight-match unbeaten run from the turn of the year which propelled the Clarets towards safety.
The 29-year-old also played a part in the Burnley's historic run to the final qualifying round of the Europa League and, as well as topping the club's Premier League goal assist tally with seven, also scored his first goals for the club.
"They're special awards. I never expected it and to have the lads and the fans voting for me is a great honour," added Westwood.
"I am very proud to collect these awards and I can't thank the players and the fans enough.
"For me, it's the best season I've ever had and that's down to the lads and the staff.
"I want to kick on and now do even better in a claret shirt."
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2019, 02:46:20 PM
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Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2019, 03:33:56 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on May 29, 2019, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2019, 04:00:53 PM
On Ashley Westwood winning Burnley's POTS:Well done to the boy.
"... I want to kick on and now do even better in a claret shirt."
I mean it.
Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2019, 04:08:03 PM
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/conor-hourihane-man-always-knew-201736Wow; amazing article.
Thanks for sharing.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2019, 04:44:35 PM
On Ashley Westwood winning Burnley's POTS:Well done to the boy.
"... I want to kick on and now do even better in a claret shirt."
I mean it.
Agreed.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 29, 2019, 04:46:54 PM
His quality on certain occasions is undeniable. I take great comfort from the fact that he didn't choke on the big day this year and was one of our best players at Wembley. But the same fixture last year, he was at the other end of the scale - one of the guiltiest parties in an overall lacklustre (just being polite here) performance.
His overall season stats are always impressive - 8 goals 11 assists this season, 11 goals 2 assists last year. He's obviously worked on the delivery side of his game and it shows, but I can't help but feel the stats have flattered to deceive at times. In some games he looks way off the pace, incapable of tackling at all and certainly not the best passer on the pitch.
But at Wembley... my god, he looked like a different player? His pass completion rate was great, he covered a lot of ground, he was tenacious out of possession, he looked a proper midfielder. It looks to me as if he could be anything he wants to be. On the flip side, you never know which Conor you're going to get, which makes me wonder if it's a mentality issue.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
Conor is in enigma to me, as I suspect he is to most of us.
His quality on certain occasions is undeniable. I take great comfort from the fact that he didn't choke on the big day this year and was one of our best players at Wembley. But the same fixture last year, he was at the other end of the scale - one of the guiltiest parties in an overall lacklustre (just being polite here) performance.
His overall season stats are always impressive - 8 goals 11 assists this season, 11 goals 2 assists last year. He's obviously worked on the delivery side of his game and it shows, but I can't help but feel the stats have flattered to deceive at times. In some games he looks way off the pace, incapable of tackling at all and certainly not the best passer on the pitch.
But at Wembley... my god, he looked like a different player? His pass completion rate was great, he covered a lot of ground, he was tenacious out of possession, he looked a proper midfielder. It looks to me as if he could be anything he wants to be. On the flip side, you never know which Conor you're going to get, which makes me wonder if it's a mentality issue.
There was only one guilty man last year, and he was thereabouts (though not, again, there) this season too.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2019, 04:53:50 PM
Conor is in enigma to me, as I suspect he is to most of us.
His quality on certain occasions is undeniable. I take great comfort from the fact that he didn't choke on the big day this year and was one of our best players at Wembley. But the same fixture last year, he was at the other end of the scale - one of the guiltiest parties in an overall lacklustre (just being polite here) performance.
His overall season stats are always impressive - 8 goals 11 assists this season, 11 goals 2 assists last year. He's obviously worked on the delivery side of his game and it shows, but I can't help but feel the stats have flattered to deceive at times. In some games he looks way off the pace, incapable of tackling at all and certainly not the best passer on the pitch.
But at Wembley... my god, he looked like a different player? His pass completion rate was great, he covered a lot of ground, he was tenacious out of possession, he looked a proper midfielder. It looks to me as if he could be anything he wants to be. On the flip side, you never know which Conor you're going to get, which makes me wonder if it's a mentality issue.
Thought he had a good game at Wembley and thought it was between him and McGinn for Man of the Match. Not sure he will be good enough for the top flight, but worth keeping as a squad player for next season.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2019, 04:59:45 PM
I can’t forget how poor he was for many g Ames this season and particularly during the time Jack was out.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2019, 05:00:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2019, 05:39:55 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 29, 2019, 06:22:59 PM
Like most of the team he looks better when Jack is playing, and like all our midfield he played better in front of a better defence. He certainly deserves a place in the squad next season, and it would not surprise me to see him cement a place in the team even after we recruit a few more players.
Post by: Chris Smith on May 29, 2019, 07:50:41 PM
Has been very good all the way through our unbeaten run, and was one of our best players in all three playoff matches.
Like most of the team he looks better when Jack is playing, and like all our midfield he played better in front of a better defence. He certainly deserves a place in the squad next season, and it would not surprise me to see him cement a place in the team even after we recruit a few more players.
That’s how I see it, when the team is unbalanced players have to worry about things other than their own job. Get it functioning as a unit and you can properly judge their individual qualities.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 29, 2019, 07:57:28 PM
Has been very good all the way through our unbeaten run, and was one of our best players in all three playoff matches.
Like most of the team he looks better when Jack is playing, and like all our midfield he played better in front of a better defence. He certainly deserves a place in the squad next season, and it would not surprise me to see him cement a place in the team even after we recruit a few more players.
That’s how I see it, when the team is unbalanced players have to worry about things other than their own job. Get it functioning as a unit and you can properly judge their individual qualities.
Yeah, you only have to look at how many players that were terrible for Villa in our relegation season but have done well elsewhere to see how the overall team effects performance.
Post by: Ad@m on May 29, 2019, 07:57:50 PM
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2019, 07:59:28 PM
Post by: KRS on May 29, 2019, 07:59:58 PM
Post by: CpF on May 30, 2019, 12:52:15 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 30, 2019, 07:25:39 AM
I think the pram will really suit his game and he willgeta good few free kick opportunities to boot.
Love him
Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2019, 07:27:46 AM
I think the pram will really suit his game and he willgeta good few free kick opportunities to boot.
McGinn is great but you can't expect him to push Conor round the pitch as well.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 30, 2019, 07:35:36 AM
I think the pram will really suit his game and he willgeta good few free kick opportunities to boot.
McGinn is great but you can't expect him to push Conor round the pitch as well.
Bugger.
Fat fingers on stupid phone
Post by: purpletrousers on May 30, 2019, 08:26:36 AM
Post by: Matt Collins on June 01, 2019, 11:29:26 AM
I think i was wrong though. His performance levels have really improved under Smith.
Whether he can regularly play as the DM in the prem is open to debate still
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2019, 11:41:40 AM
I was never a hater but I was very sceptical about how overall gameNo debate from me, he can’t.
I think i was wrong though. His performance levels have really improved under Smith.
Whether he can regularly play as the DM in the prem is open to debate still
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2019, 11:47:08 AM
Doo doo doo doo doo doo...
Post by: Ad@m on June 01, 2019, 12:19:50 PM
I was never a hater but I was very sceptical about how overall gameNo debate from me, he can’t.
I think i was wrong though. His performance levels have really improved under Smith.
Whether he can regularly play as the DM in the prem is open to debate still
Agreed. I think he can make it as a Premier League player, but not as a defensive midfielder.
Post by: brontebilly on June 01, 2019, 01:06:22 PM
Credit where it’s due, he has played well during the run in and contributed in the play offs.
I can’t forget how poor he was for many g Ames this season and particularly during the time Jack was out.
Same could be said for nearly all our players, El Ghazi was rubbish then too. Hourihane has shown a fair degree of character to bounce back from being booed off v West Brom at Villa Park. Was one of our better players in the playoffs.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 01, 2019, 01:27:39 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2019, 03:12:08 PM
It's questionable whether Hourahane or El Ghazi will have much impact in the PL but I think they've earned the right to have a go and I'll be happy to see them try.Agree, the question was Hourihane as DM and that would not work.
I think he will be useful as an impact player.
Post by: adrenachrome on June 01, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
Post by: rougegorge on June 01, 2019, 10:22:48 PM
Based on his comments since he arived, DS rates him quite highly.Certainly more highly than many on this thread thought of him. Scrolling back through this thread reminded me just how much stick he was getting (around p 78) so hats off to him.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2019, 11:37:05 PM
Would be very surprised if he's starting in August.
Post by: passitsideways on June 02, 2019, 02:01:03 AM
Post by: Matt C on June 02, 2019, 04:35:08 AM
Post by: kieron on June 05, 2019, 07:21:19 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/--928787.html
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 05, 2019, 09:01:47 AM
Another interesting article on Conor the pro:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/--928787.html
Great article, he does seem to be getting stronger on the ball and has been making a lot more tackles recently. He obviously takes his career very seriously and goes the extra nine yards to improve. This will ultimately benefits us. We know he has an awesome shot and his assists speak for themselves, he needs to improve the rest of his game and by the sound of it he is doing everything he can to do this
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2019, 11:48:27 AM
Post by: The Moose on June 05, 2019, 08:13:15 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2019, 10:12:25 PM
The difference between success and failure is so often about putting in that bit extra in all walks of life.
Post by: Villafirst on June 07, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
Post by: brontebilly on June 08, 2019, 09:00:51 AM
Connor playing for the ROI tonight against Denmark. One terrific free kick curled in nearly resulted in a goal. A bit sad that Glenn is also in the team - currently without a club....
Thought Hourihane was out of his depth a bit last night. Early yellow didn't help matters for him but they kept finding space behind Whelan and himself in the second half. The likes of Eriksen and Delaney are top class players I guess.
Hourihane's set pieces were always dangerous but more presence required.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
That was how it looked quite a bit last season with those 2 in midfield.Connor playing for the ROI tonight against Denmark. One terrific free kick curled in nearly resulted in a goal. A bit sad that Glenn is also in the team - currently without a club....
Thought Hourihane was out of his depth a bit last night. Early yellow didn't help matters for him but they kept finding space behind Whelan and himself.
Post by: Rudy65 on June 08, 2019, 02:14:31 PM
Another interesting article on Conor the pro:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/--928787.html
It really amazes me when the kids he talks about don’t put in the effort when they see the senior pro’s already doing it. Why would you not want to better yourself if you have some talent to begin with?
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2019, 02:45:01 PM
Post by: kieron on July 13, 2019, 09:02:47 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1149952022143279107
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Aston Villa is delighted to announce Conor Hourihane has signed a contract extension ahead of the new Premier League season.
The 28-year-old was a crucial part of the side that secured promotion via the Play-Off Final in May, and agrees a fresh deal as we prepare to embark on a top-flight campaign.
Hourihane has completed a remarkable rise as a player from League Two to the Premier League in just five years – competing in every EFL division along the way.
Since joining in January 2017, the Irishman has made 111 Villa appearances and reaffirmed his status as a stellar creative force, scoring 21 goals and assisting 16 times.
On committing his future, he said: "I'm absolutely delighted. It's exciting times for the club with us moving into the Premier League.
"I've waited all my career for the opportunity to play at this level and the time has now arrived.
"I'm really looking forward to the season ahead. It's a big period for me personally as I've come all the way from League Two to reach the top.
"I'm glad to sign and look forward to being here for seasons ahead."
Post by: kieron on July 13, 2019, 09:04:18 AM
Post by: andyh on July 13, 2019, 09:08:23 AM
I was not his biggest fan, but thought he stepped up massively in the last 15 games of the season and was very, very impressive.
I suspect he is signing up to being a permanent substitute though.
Post by: Villan For Life on July 13, 2019, 09:09:17 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
Post by: themossman on July 13, 2019, 09:21:33 AM
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2019, 09:25:12 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 13, 2019, 09:30:00 AM
Love him, very happy with this. Absolutely stepped up when it got serious last season and another player with a great attitude.
Agreed. Approaches the game properly, wants to better himself but isn't a flashman and doesn't do all his talking on social media.
He probably won't start many games at this level but deserves his shot off the bench and in the cups and you never know with injuries etc. McGinn will probably have a few suspensions along the way!
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2019, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: KRS on July 13, 2019, 09:37:14 AM
Post by: dave shelley on July 13, 2019, 09:38:43 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 13, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
And I really like that top.
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
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Post by: Damo70 on July 13, 2019, 10:19:12 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 13, 2019, 10:22:43 AM
Good luck to you, Conor.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 13, 2019, 10:27:11 AM
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2019, 10:33:03 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 13, 2019, 10:35:56 AM
Post by: andyh on July 13, 2019, 10:36:24 AM
I've always liked him and it's well deserved. A decent signing for whatever it was we paid for him. Was it around £2.5m?That’s a good point.
Just by virtue of now being a premier league player he is probably worth about £10m, if not more.
Post by: Gerrin on July 13, 2019, 10:58:58 AM
Completely deserves his shot at the PL with us on an improved contract. He's not always been great but he's a great pro and he's showed at times that he's got enough in the locker to be part of a PL squad and he was really good in that brilliant run at the end of the season and for me was MOM in the playoff final. If he keeps up that level of performance he'll be heavily involved next season. Chipped in with some great long range goals along the way too, not least the ones against Blues the season before last and the one against Albion in the play offs.
Totally agree with this, he deserves a go in the Prem. This guy is no passenger, we saw that at Elland Road.
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2019, 11:51:55 AM
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Post by: Keeno on July 13, 2019, 01:00:01 PM
Absolutely delighted for him, his story from League 2 to the Premier League is amazing. If some of the mugs we've had in our squad(s) for the last 7-8 years put half the effort and professional pride he did into his work, we probably wouldn't have been in this situation. Made up for the lad.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2019, 01:13:52 PM
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Post by: Risso on July 13, 2019, 01:54:01 PM
He completely evolved as a player in the latter part of the season. Still popped up with goals but legitimately added a bit of aggression and steel to his game. His contract is well deserved.
The turnaround was remarkable. There was one game (I forget which) during the bad run where he bottled out of a challenge so completely and obviously that he got a massive amount of abuse. From then on though, he was like a man possessed. Agree that he deserves his shot, just don't think he'll get many chances this season if I'm honest.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 13, 2019, 02:33:22 PM
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Post by: boozey182 on July 15, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
I actually think he'll be much more valuable to us next season than he has been. He's perfect to bring on for the last 20 minutes if you need a goal, and with better (and bigger!) players to aim at, or win free kicks, I can see him having a great minute to goals/assists ratio. I just hope we won't need him to start many matches, as I think he may well get overrun against stronger and quicker opposition.
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 15, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
I've been very critical of Conor, but I have to say this contract is deserved. Something changed in him after getting subbed against Albion at home, back before our winning run. He stopped getting bullied off the ball, was quicker into the tackle and generally braver on the ball. He started being a bit more positive. Of course, all of this is easier in a team that's winning, but he deserves a lot of credit for turning it around.
I actually think he'll be much more valuable to us next season than he has been. He's perfect to bring on for the last 20 minutes if you need a goal, and with better (and bigger!) players to aim at, or win free kicks, I can see him having a great minute to goals/assists ratio. I just hope we won't need him to start many matches, as I think he may well get overrun against stronger and quicker opposition.
Yeah the Albion substitution definitely had a positive effect on him
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
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Post by: GarTomas on July 19, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Certainly a good squad option to take into this season.
Post by: john e on July 19, 2019, 09:52:44 AM
Post by: kieron on July 19, 2019, 10:11:24 AM
Post by: hipkiss92 on July 19, 2019, 10:27:36 AM
I've been very critical of Conor, but I have to say this contract is deserved. Something changed in him after getting subbed against Albion at home, back before our winning run. He stopped getting bullied off the ball, was quicker into the tackle and generally braver on the ball. He started being a bit more positive. Of course, all of this is easier in a team that's winning, but he deserves a lot of credit for turning it around.
I actually think he'll be much more valuable to us next season than he has been. He's perfect to bring on for the last 20 minutes if you need a goal, and with better (and bigger!) players to aim at, or win free kicks, I can see him having a great minute to goals/assists ratio. I just hope we won't need him to start many matches, as I think he may well get overrun against stronger and quicker opposition.
His performance in the first leg of the play-offs against Baggies should be the standard for this season, changed the game when he came on for Whelan.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 19, 2019, 11:19:19 AM
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2019, 11:26:32 AM
Post by: Border villan on July 19, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
In this league scoring opportunities will be significantly reduced compared to the championship so with the likes of Jack hopefully getting a few free licks around the box it will be invaluable to have someone with Conor's dead ball abilityLucky Jack. I have never had a free lick around the box.
Post by: mattjpa on July 19, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 19, 2019, 12:15:28 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 05, 2019, 07:26:51 PM
Anyway, has now scored in all four English divisions. Hats off, sir. You're looking important yet again. Keep it up.
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2019, 07:33:58 PM
Post by: Ad@m on October 05, 2019, 07:52:53 PM
Thing is with Hourihane, he doesn't offer anything other than goals, assists and deadly set pieces.
Exactly. Waste of a shirt!
Post by: themossman on October 05, 2019, 08:08:28 PM
Post by: LukeJames on October 05, 2019, 08:09:01 PM
Thing is with Hourihane, he doesn't offer anything other than goals, assists and deadly set pieces.And occasionally winning penalties, absolute waste of s shirt.
Post by: brontebilly on October 05, 2019, 08:53:10 PM
What I loved today was how he whipped the ball off targett’s feet before he took the shot. Confident and not afraid to take the initiative even after waiting for his chance then having a quiet game last week. He’s grown massively as a player in the last 2 seasons. Love him.
Delighted for him
Post by: Luke8 on October 05, 2019, 09:46:41 PM
He’s grown massively as a player in the last 2 seasons. Love him.
That constant improvement has been a feature of his whole career. Can often seem like quite a simple thing, but that determination and work rate is such a brilliant, and very likeable, characteristic.
Post by: Richard on October 05, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
Post by: villan from luton on October 05, 2019, 09:50:42 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 06, 2019, 11:55:36 AM
Post by: rooboy316 on October 06, 2019, 12:38:14 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 07, 2019, 12:25:19 AM
Reckon Luiz is competing against Conor for this spot, as JG, SJM and Marv seemed to have their spots tied up, barring injury and rests. Initially I thought Luiz was competition for Marvellous, but he'd do a job here based on his shooting and goal scoring so far!
Still think Hourihane's best position at this level might be a more advanced role where had is given a big more freedom to egg forward. McGinn had done very well in that role over the past couple of games, but Hourihane could be a good option there as well if he is absent.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 09, 2019, 09:24:58 AM
I agree, he is a very much underated cog in or machine.
https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2019/10/8/20904793/conor-hourihane-would-you-bet-against-him-dan-bardell-writing
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 09, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
Can we ever forget the way he grabbed that leeds twat when El Ghazhi was sent off incorrectly in the scuffle afterwards - first in to protect his team mates. Also first to grab the slime that hit Jack on the pitch at the Temple of Doom
And that is without mentioning his "boomer" goals against Blues and bitters
I hope he commands his place going forward as he certainly brings balance to our team
Post by: manic-road on November 25, 2019, 10:00:44 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 25, 2019, 10:11:11 PM
Conor played well again tonight, provided an assist and a great strike for his goal.
The two trick man, goals and assists. Very sharp tonight on the ball in open play too.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 25, 2019, 10:12:10 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 25, 2019, 10:15:18 PM
Post by: Rigadon on December 28, 2019, 09:00:12 AM
Deserves to start today.
Post by: Steve67 on December 28, 2019, 09:24:40 AM
Post by: john e on December 28, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 10:09:23 AM
Conors strengths - Shooting, scoring, assisting, being a goal threat, free kicks
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
I'm not against this at all.
Post by: Mister E on December 28, 2019, 11:02:02 AM
Conors strengths - Shooting, scoring, assisting, being a goal threat, free kicksIn the sense that playing wingers clearly is not working for us and having wingers means we're a little open to the counter attack, I could see this worth trying (if the front three were JK, Wes and Conor, it would give Wes more support and perhaps play him more effectively since he clearly is not a winger's CF).
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
Conors strengths - Shooting, scoring, assisting, being a goal threat, free kicksOr in situations or a system that does not require him to defend.
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
Post by: john e on December 28, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
Conors strengths - Shooting, scoring, assisting, being a goal threat, free kicks
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
Sorry exactly where would that be ??
He's a Midfielder by trade not fit to be an attacking wide forward or striker for me
You do know he’s scored more goals than any of our actual strikers this season
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 28, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on December 28, 2019, 01:07:30 PM
I mentioned on the Wesley thread that he could possibly operate as a false 9, as long as he knows what one is because I'm not sure I do.Is it where you don't play a recognised striker, à la Messi?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 28, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
I mentioned on the Wesley thread that he could possibly operate as a false 9, as long as he knows what one is because I'm not sure I do.Is it where you don't play a recognised striker, à la Messi?
I think so!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 28, 2019, 01:09:17 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on December 28, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2019, 01:20:10 PM
Conors strengths - Shooting, scoring, assisting, being a goal threat, free kicks
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
Sorry exactly where would that be ??
He's a Midfielder by trade not fit to be an attacking wide forward or striker for me
You do know he’s scored more goals than any of our actual strikers this season
Considering I contribute in posting of stats and info brought to attention for people here I think I'm well aware of goals of villa players .
A support striker or an attacking midfielder playing high up the pitch well ok. A wide forward or actual striker - I personally find absurd.
Its preposterous to me and my football know how to advocate Hourihane as a number 9.
I know Smith is for developing players but deploying Conor as the central striker is not wise.
Simply to stay in the team he must assert himself on the field with the ball and also make forward runs and cover .
It's about what a player does off the ball as much as on it.
Off the ball as a striker doesn't warrant the thought for me.
Post by: Axl Rose on December 28, 2019, 01:21:58 PM
Conors strengths - Shooting, scoring, assisting, being a goal threat, free kicks
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
Sorry exactly where would that be ??
He's a Midfielder by trade not fit to be an attacking wide forward or striker for me
You do know he’s scored more goals than any of our actual strikers this season
Considering I contribute in posting of stats and info brought to attention for people here I think I'm well aware of goals of villa players .
A support striker or an attacking midfielder playing high up the pitch well ok. A wide forward or actual striker - I personally find absurd.
Its preposterous to me and my football know how to advocate Hourihane as a number 9.
I know Smith is for developing players but deploying Conor as the central striker is not wise.
Simply to stay in the team he must assert himself on the field with the ball and also make forward runs and cover .
It's about what a player does off the ball as much as on it.
Off the ball as a striker doesn't warrant the thought for me.
Does anyone read your stats, though? And who's to say they aren't made up, anyway?
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2019, 01:24:05 PM
I mentioned on the Wesley thread that he could possibly operate as a false 9, as long as he knows what one is because I'm not sure I do.Is it where you don't play a recognised striker, à la Messi?
I think so!
If you want a false 9 or even a 9 Jota is our man not Conor.
Jota can bring others in to play . And midfielder can get beyond him and into box.
Jota hasn't the pace even of firmino but Jota ability wise can look to link.
The alternative is having a central position for el ghazi or
Trezeguet .
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2019, 01:27:40 PM
Conors strengths - Shooting, scoring, assisting, being a goal threat, free kicks
Conors weaknesses - everything else
play him in the front 3
Sorry exactly where would that be ??
He's a Midfielder by trade not fit to be an attacking wide forward or striker for me
You do know he’s scored more goals than any of our actual strikers this season
Considering I contribute in posting of stats and info brought to attention for people here I think I'm well aware of goals of villa players .
A support striker or an attacking midfielder playing high up the pitch well ok. A wide forward or actual striker - I personally find absurd.
Its preposterous to me and my football know how to advocate Hourihane as a number 9.
I know Smith is for developing players but deploying Conor as the central striker is not wise.
Simply to stay in the team he must assert himself on the field with the ball and also make forward runs and cover .
It's about what a player does off the ball as much as on it.
Off the ball as a striker doesn't warrant the thought for me.
Does anyone read your stats, though? And who's to say they aren't made up, anyway?
Firstly I'm highly insulted and secondary that exact reason I didn't bring a be topic thread about Aston villa season stats 2019/20
Detailing shots , fouls , possession
Touches in penalty box
I don't think many seem so interested so did courtesy.
The insult is that it's suggested I made it up.
I'm passing on valuable info for those who like some data.
No need to be cruel especially at Xmas.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 28, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
I'm highly bored.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2019, 01:46:53 PM
The insult is that it's suggested I made it up.
I'm passing on valuable info for those who like some data.
What like stating Trez played 70 minutes for Egypt at half time? Not saying you made it up, I'm guessing you've yet to fully understand how to tell the time.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 28, 2019, 05:53:10 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 05:14:05 AM
Post by: Ad@m on January 13, 2020, 06:34:24 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 13, 2020, 06:46:51 AM
Post by: London Villan on January 13, 2020, 07:09:17 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 07:32:03 AM
Believe it or not, of the 4 (yes four) tackles our starting midfield three made all game yesterday, Hourihane contributed 50% of them!There were people playing in our midfield?
Post by: CT on January 13, 2020, 08:22:58 AM
The part before their fifth goal where he didn't press or tackle the City players, but flapped his arms around whilst running was the icing on the cake.
Post by: GarTomas on January 13, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
We could afford to carry him in the championship with the quality of Grealish and McGinn either side of him but in reality I don’t think he’s any more than any average championship player.
His set piece ability is superb though I will say.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 08:30:03 AM
Not a premier league player.He is ok to come on when we are dominant and he does not need to defend
We could afford to carry him in the championship with the quality of Grealish and McGinn either side of him but in reality I don’t think he’s any more than any average championship player.
His set piece ability is superb though I will say.
I just cannot understand why Smith plays him in situations where it is obvious he will be exposed.
Post by: GarTomas on January 13, 2020, 08:32:25 AM
Not a premier league player.He is ok to come on when we are dominant and he does not need to defend
We could afford to carry him in the championship with the quality of Grealish and McGinn either side of him but in reality I don’t think he’s any more than any average championship player.
His set piece ability is superb though I will say.
I just cannot understand why Smith plays him in situations where it is obvious he will be exposed.
I think it will be at least another season (assuming we stay up!) before we’ve invested the squad to a level where we can do this in the top flight.
Post by: danno on January 13, 2020, 09:13:48 AM
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 10:33:36 AM
TheN the only solution is to play him in an attacking role which means having a defensive midfield set up behind him.
Then the choice is 2 from Conor Trez AEG.
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
Fine Supertom, but Smith sets it up where he has to defend and he can’t.With 3 CH's, I'd only be playing one of Douglas or Nakamba. We're so light in attack right now, I don't think we've much option but to playing Jack, Trez and AEG up as a three either. None of our midfielders at the moment seem very aggressive defensively either. It's a bit powderpuff.
TheN the only solution is to play him in an attacking role which means having a defensive midfield set up behind him.
Then the choice is 2 from Conor Trez AEG.
Post by: brontebilly on January 13, 2020, 10:41:12 AM
Fine Supertom, but Smith sets it up where he has to defend and he can’t.
TheN the only solution is to play him in an attacking role which means having a defensive midfield set up behind him.
Then the choice is 2 from Conor Trez AEG.
Yeah that's where I'd play him. I thought towards the end of last season he had hardened up physically quite a bit. Playoff final as an example or even that game v Leeds. Nothing more than a passenger without the ball all season though and you can't get away with that in this division as a midfielder. Whether it's lack of self belief, heart, pace or a combination of all three I'm not sure. Unfortunately Luiz is as bad without the goal or set piece threat.
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2020, 10:45:52 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 11:52:39 AM
it would be like the Aliomo.Fine Supertom, but Smith sets it up where he has to defend and he can’t.With 3 CH's, I'd only be playing one of Douglas or Nakamba. We're so light in attack right now, I don't think we've much option but to playing Jack, Trez and AEG up as a three either. None of our midfielders at the moment seem very aggressive defensively either. It's a bit powderpuff.
TheN the only solution is to play him in an attacking role which means having a defensive midfield set up behind him.
Then the choice is 2 from Conor Trez AEG.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 13, 2020, 12:25:08 PM
He was piss but I'd still start him in the next two league games. We need wins, which require goals and there are too few goal threats in our side to leave him out. Particularly as alternatives in the center like Nakamba and Doug are doubly piss. You play Conor, just as we used to with Westwood, knowing he'll be absolutely no use defensively. Against teams we might have at least a passing share of the ball, he's too much of a threat with set pieces and his finishing to leave out. If sign a couple of strikers, by all means, you can then drop him if he's poor. But we haven't, so we can't.
Agreed. If we're likely to be on the front foot, he plays. If we're backs against the wall he doesn't. As shit as Trez and AEG are most of the time they do at least offer an outlet in those circumstances. They give the ball away far too much but even then they're slightly more use than Connor who is just invisible in that type of game. His use on set pieces though, that's a different story.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2020, 12:35:50 PM
Post by: old man villa fan on January 13, 2020, 12:43:42 PM
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Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2020, 01:00:15 PM
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Post by: garyshawsknee on January 13, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 13, 2020, 10:49:57 PM
He's a very limited player at this level. Got a great shot on him, but when he's not doing that, he's too slow and weak to really help the team out any other aspect of the game. When he starts you really don't notice that he's even playing for the most part.
Accurate summary.
Post by: Bad English on January 13, 2020, 10:52:02 PM
I swear to McGrath that I didn't see him do a single thing while watching on TV the other day. He's just invisible.He's a very limited player at this level. Got a great shot on him, but when he's not doing that, he's too slow and weak to really help the team out any other aspect of the game. When he starts you really don't notice that he's even playing for the most part.
Accurate summary.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 13, 2020, 11:01:22 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2020, 11:16:49 PM
He would be great if you could bring him on for set pieces like in hockey
Yep.
I like him but I’m just not sure he adds enough over the course of ninety minutes. Unless there’s a free kick opportunity of course.
Post by: old man villa fan on January 13, 2020, 11:25:13 PM
He's no use against the top teams, they just pass the ball around him but can be useful especially when at home against bottom half sides. Obviously he's being asked to play a position that doesn't suit his strengths, he's far better further up the field. Another example of Smith's round holes, square pegs.
I do not think it is fair to blame Smith for Hourihane's lack of ability at this level. With Grealish in the team, there is no place for him to play further up the field. He has one strength at this level and that is his ability of striking the ball. He does not warrant a place in the side on that alone. Of the 5 fit midfield players we had before Drinkwater came in, I think he is the 4th best and the only reason he gets in the team is because 2 of the 3 ahead of him need resting from the team at times or, as is the case now, we have to bring in the extra midfield player.
I think if we are being honest, Hourihane and Lansbury should have been replaced but we only had so much money to spend in the summer with a lot of places to be filled.
Post by: brontebilly on January 13, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
In fairness to both Hourihane, and to an extent Lansbury who should be nowhere near a top division club, the fact they keep getting chances is because the midfield pair we bought are very much approaching flop territory. Luiz was an utter disgrace yet again at the weekend while Nakamba resembled a pub player v Leicester. Same goes for Taylor, miles out of his depth at this level but his big money replacement has been as bad if not worse.
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2020, 03:25:36 PM
Post by: john e on March 02, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
I don’t mind using him like that
but in open play he’s invisible
Post by: KRS on March 02, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
Post by: john e on March 02, 2020, 03:57:39 PM
Pretty much all of our midfield were invisible yesterday when we had the ball as we kept bypassing them by hoofing it long and giving away possession cheaply.
no they weren’t
Luiz, Nakamba had good games against one the best teams in Europe
and Grealish wasn’t as poor as is being made out either imo
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 04:02:15 PM
Post by: KRS on March 02, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
Edit:
Possession: 30% < 70%
Passes: 285 < 669
I know I wasn’t imagining it when we kept losing possession or the ball was lumped long from the back towards Samatta time and time again.
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2020, 04:09:30 PM
Post by: john e on March 02, 2020, 04:12:46 PM
Absolutely agree when we didn’t have the ball, but they were bypassed most of the time when we did (haven’t checked the possession stats but it wasn’t a lot).
Edit:
Possession: 30% < 70%
Passes: 285 < 669
I know I wasn’t imagining it when we kept losing possession or the ball was lumped long from the back towards Samatta time and time again.
sorry mate but right now we are never going to out pass Man City
going toe to toe on a possession competition there will only be one winner
you have to find other ways of competing and we did
for a lot less possession we caused them some trouble and they were hanging on in the end by the width of a goal post so we must have been doing something right
Post by: David_Nab on March 02, 2020, 06:41:44 PM
Pretty much all of our midfield were invisible yesterday when we had the ball as we kept bypassing them by hoofing it long and giving away possession cheaply.
Which is why I think we may be better with 2 strikers ...a flat 3 MF then Jack behind 2 strikers .Be a bit more direct have Davis and Samatta closer to each other to occupy the CB's
Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2020, 07:43:17 PM
I hardly noticed him when he came on to be honest, not really his sort of game when we don't have much possession.
It was his delivery that Engels forced the big save from. Thought he got on the ball a bit in dangerous areas, failing to make the most of those two crosses but at least got into those positions.
Doubt he won a tackle, mind or involved much in developing play from the back. We know his strengths and weaknesses by now. Still a decent option for us off the bench. Unlike Trez who seems to be getting worse by the game.
Post by: john e on March 02, 2020, 08:17:07 PM
I hardly noticed him when he came on to be honest, not really his sort of game when we don't have much possession.
It was his delivery that Engels forced the big save from. Thought he got on the ball a bit in dangerous areas, failing to make the most of those two crosses but at least got into those positions.
Doubt he won a tackle, mind or involved much in developing play from the back. We know his strengths and weaknesses by now. Still a decent option for us off the bench. Unlike Trez who seems to be getting worse by the game.
He’d be a great player if we played to those America Football type rules
where you can bring players on and off at will depending on what’s doing
least that’s what I think they do I actually know fuck all about American Football
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 20, 2020, 05:32:38 AM
A useful player off the bench but should not start.
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2020, 06:40:42 AM
Post by: Ad@m on June 20, 2020, 08:43:48 AM
But at this level Hourihane just doesn't do enough. Like others have said, he's helpful as an option off the bench but having players starring who aren't good enough for the league is what got us relegated last time and this time will be no different.
When you think back to some of the central midfielders we've had in the past - even the ones that seemed bang average at the time like Sidwell, McCann, etc would be streets ahead of our current lot.
Post by: Luke8 on June 20, 2020, 10:54:16 AM
For me, the team looks better balanced with him in it. He links well with Jack and does a good job covering the space that he leaves when he drifts inside.
He also looks one of our better bets to get a goal through his finishing or set pieces.
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 20, 2020, 11:10:06 AM
It looked like we specifically played to earn corners. We used the channels much better than we were and tried to turn the Sheffield United defence to either create chances directly or earn a set piece. This might explain why Conor got a start and I think he had a decent enough game. We all know he has limitations but I think he did enough to earn another start.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 20, 2020, 11:57:21 AM
He created 7 chances on Wednesday. Only Jack has done that this season, and then only in one game. Yes, plenty were from set pieces but they are an important part of the game. If Hause and Davis hadn't got their 50p heads on, then he might have had a couple of assists.
It looked like we specifically played to earn corners. We used the channels much better than we were and tried to turn the Sheffield United defence to either create chances directly or earn a set piece. This might explain why Conor got a start and I think he had a decent enough game. We all know he has limitations but I think he did enough to earn another start.
Yes. This.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 20, 2020, 12:09:41 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 20, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
He created 7 chances on Wednesday. Only Jack has done that this season, and then only in one game. Yes, plenty were from set pieces but they are an important part of the game. If Hause and Davis hadn't got their 50p heads on, then he might have had a couple of assists.
It looked like we specifically played to earn corners. We used the channels much better than we were and tried to turn the Sheffield United defence to either create chances directly or earn a set piece. This might explain why Conor got a start and I think he had a decent enough game. We all know he has limitations but I think he did enough to earn another start.
We didn't play for corners !!!
Corners came in part to Sheffield Utd good defence and villa unable to get past so they conceded corners.
We were trying to score goals!
Dean Smith tactics mean He has a game plan each macth . What he did target was the space behind baldock and Mings played the ball left channel a lot .
It resulted in several corners .
I believe villa were trying to play in those areas and lesser extent down the right.
The space behind their wing backs is what was the tactical play not let's get corners!
Villa de particularly strong on left side and we like to attack down that side
Yep, as I said, we were looking to create chances directly first and foremost but by getting in behind their wing backs and crossing from much closer to the byline that we have been, corners were a decent consolation prize.
We've spent most of the season crossing from deep while easily allowing the opposition to hit our byline. This drove me mad in games like Southampton at home. It looked like these are both aspects of our play that we have worked on during the break. It's a fair supposition that this change will lead to more corners, and it looked like we'd worked on those too and mixed them up, sharing duties between Hourihane and Grealish, floating some and driving others, hitting both the near post and far post. Conor's presence makes us more dangerous in these areas.
It was obvious to me what we'd been working on during the break, despite some commentators' claims to the contrary.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 20, 2020, 03:36:04 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on June 22, 2020, 02:32:12 PM
Hourihane mistake for Giroud goal. Gave the Frenchmen space , stepped off him. And then too late to close down.
That's not the first time defensively he's been found wanting he was also beaten all ends up by Mason Mount I think wide left.
Does have a struggle at times on his position play.
Forward and attacking he's far better.
Likely to be captain and probably break some goal and assist records next season with us in the championship if we go down
Houris feet arent quick enough to play regularly at the top level, international level he has this problem too. Other players dance around him far too easily like Mount yesterday. He is unable to shift his body position quickly enough for tackles, being completely one sided he can't even trust turning onto his right side with or without the ball. Not physically strong enough either.
Tidy ball player with a great left foot when given space and time on the ball but you don't get that at the level he currently operates.
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2020, 02:36:53 PM
Hourihane mistake for Giroud goal. Gave the Frenchmen space , stepped off him. And then too late to close down.
That's not the first time defensively he's been found wanting he was also beaten all ends up by Mason Mount I think wide left.
Does have a struggle at times on his position play.
Forward and attacking he's far better.
Likely to be captain and probably break some goal and assist records next season with us in the championship if we go down
Houris feet arent quick enough to play regularly at the top level, international level he has this problem too. Other players dance around him far too easily like Mount yesterday. He is unable to shift his body position quickly enough for tackles, being completely one sided he can't even trust turning onto his right side with or without the ball. Not physically strong enough either.
Tidy ball player with a great left foot when given space and time on the ball but you don't get that at the level he currently operates.
I love him to bits, but that assesment is spot on.
Post by: David_Nab on June 22, 2020, 03:05:13 PM
He is a player that in some games will be effective but others utterly abysmal so you need to pick accordingly .Yesterday was a game he should of been on bench for
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2020, 03:13:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on June 22, 2020, 04:59:31 PM
Conor is a super squad player at this level. That we are relying on him, and others like Hause, Konsa, Trez, AEG, Davis, Elmo, Targett, Nakamba etc at this level tells you why are struggling as much as we are. You could even stretch that argument to McGinn and Mings. Both mid table PL players. Only Jack is legitimately top level. And the truth is many of the sides above us having been accumulating PL level players and paying the required prices for several years. I look at how solid Palace look. They are an established PL team with an established and experienced PL manager. They will never have enough to break into the top 4 or 6, and even if they flirt with trouble they will find a way out. Even Burnley now. We outplayed them earlier in the season, but over the long haul they have the set up to get out of trouble. The teams that don't are either like us or Norwich that came up, or teams that have made a series of poor decisions over a few years that may now cost them.
But look at Sheff Utd's squad list in comparison to ours as another example. There are no stars in that squad but a collection of journeymen really like Enda Stevens who have worked their way through the leagues. But Wilder has them fit, organised and every player clearly knows their role. That's where Smith has failed very badly. Strength and conditioning wise our squad looks miles off the required level too, we aren't able to physically compete. That's the starting point for a player at this level, ability comes next.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
Hourihane mistake for Giroud goal. Gave the Frenchmen space , stepped off him. And then too late to close down.
Watch again and tell me how Conor is supposed to mark both players. What did you expect him to do, ignore the player with the ball in our box?
Post by: CT on June 22, 2020, 05:06:35 PM
Conor is a super squad player at this level. That we are relying on him, and others like Hause, Konsa, Trez, AEG, Davis, Elmo, Targett, Nakamba etc at this level tells you why are struggling as much as we are. You could even stretch that argument to McGinn and Mings. Both mid table PL players. Only Jack is legitimately top level. And the truth is many of the sides above us having been accumulating PL level players and paying the required prices for several years. I look at how solid Palace look. They are an established PL team with an established and experienced PL manager. They will never have enough to break into the top 4 or 6, and even if they flirt with trouble they will find a way out. Even Burnley now. We outplayed them earlier in the season, but over the long haul they have the set up to get out of trouble. The teams that don't are either like us or Norwich that came up, or teams that have made a series of poor decisions over a few years that may now cost them.
But look at Sheff Utd's squad list in comparison to ours as another example. There are no stars in that squad but a collection of journeymen really like Enda Stevens who have worked their way through the leagues. But Wilder has them fit, organised and every player clearly knows their role. That's where Smith has failed very badly. Strength and conditioning wise our squad looks miles off the required level too, we aren't able to physically compete. That's the starting point for a player at this level, ability comes next.
It’s was interesting looking at SJM. He looks absolutely miles off the pace. Now thinking back, he was due back around March 14 for the original Chelsea game and would assume he’d been on a rigorous fitness regime during lockdown.
Obviously he hadn’t played a competitive game for six months, I get that, but he even looks a little out of shape.
Post by: David_Nab on June 22, 2020, 06:07:29 PM
Conor is a super squad player at this level. That we are relying on him, and others like Hause, Konsa, Trez, AEG, Davis, Elmo, Targett, Nakamba etc at this level tells you why are struggling as much as we are. You could even stretch that argument to McGinn and Mings. Both mid table PL players. Only Jack is legitimately top level. And the truth is many of the sides above us having been accumulating PL level players and paying the required prices for several years. I look at how solid Palace look. They are an established PL team with an established and experienced PL manager. They will never have enough to break into the top 4 or 6, and even if they flirt with trouble they will find a way out. Even Burnley now. We outplayed them earlier in the season, but over the long haul they have the set up to get out of trouble. The teams that don't are either like us or Norwich that came up, or teams that have made a series of poor decisions over a few years that may now cost them.
But look at Sheff Utd's squad list in comparison to ours as another example. There are no stars in that squad but a collection of journeymen really like Enda Stevens who have worked their way through the leagues. But Wilder has them fit, organised and every player clearly knows their role. That's where Smith has failed very badly. Strength and conditioning wise our squad looks miles off the required level too, we aren't able to physically compete. That's the starting point for a player at this level, ability comes next.
It’s was interesting looking at SJM. He looks absolutely miles off the pace. Now thinking back, he was due back around March 14 for the original Chelsea game and would assume he’d been on a rigorous fitness regime during lockdown.
Obviously he hadn’t played a competitive game for six months, I get that, but he even looks a little out of shape.
Match Sharpness is missing , Loftus-Cheek for Chelsea was the same after being out for months though on flip Side Pogba has been out for months also and was on the pace straight away for Man U
Post by: themossman on July 27, 2020, 06:44:49 PM
He did a lot of important dirty work in these last few games.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2020, 06:57:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2020, 07:01:22 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2020, 07:07:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2020, 07:11:48 PM
Definitely improved off the ball in the last ten games. He was clearly listening to the Defensive Zoom calls. Great attitude, I'd be happy for him to be an important sub/occasional starter (bottom half teams at home) next season.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 27, 2020, 07:14:29 PM
The quality of his set pieces set-up most of our goals post-lockdown, I thought?
Definitely improved off the ball in the last ten games. He was clearly listening to the Defensive Zoom calls. Great attitude, I'd be happy for him to be an important sub/occasional starter (bottom half teams at home) next season.
Agree completely
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
Conor scored or assisted every 191 mins
Jack was every 216 mins
Keinan was every 3 Halley's Comets.
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 07:41:35 PM
Post by: Ad@m on July 27, 2020, 08:20:00 PM
I agree that if we expect to be higher up the league next year he needs to play less, but if Burnley can turn Westwood in to a Premier League regular, there's no reason why Hourihane couldn't be too.
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2020, 08:21:55 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2020, 08:27:30 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2020, 09:24:12 PM
Absolute model professional. Done it the hard way after Ipswich told him he wasn't good enough.
I agree that if we expect to be higher up the league next year he needs to play less, but if Burnley can turn Westwood in to a Premier League regular, there's no reason why Hourihane couldn't be too.
Agree with that. Seems a nice positive guy to have around but thought there was an air of steely determination about him in his post-match interview yesterday.
Post by: themossman on July 27, 2020, 10:47:19 PM
For a player who many thought looked out of his depth in the championship, who does have limited ability (and at 29 might be past his best years) the fact he’s stepped up against premier league players says so much about his attitude.
Post by: Villan82 on July 27, 2020, 10:55:14 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2020, 11:15:56 PM
Hopefully wouldn't be starting as many games next year as he did this season as that would show another disappointing transfer window.
Think Hause aswell in the end started 25 league games which you'd never have predicted in August.
Post by: aj2k77 on July 28, 2020, 12:27:45 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2020, 12:31:21 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 28, 2020, 12:38:23 AM
That being a quality Ireland international under rated by other clubs and media but effectively sound in their abilities and play to the strengths.
Well played Hourihane . Should have taken the direct free kick instead of Grealish v West Ham though Sunday .
He'll be bang up for those Leeds games next season too and great to see Grealish run straight to him when scored Sunday.
My thinking was he's been a captain every where he's been and would make ideal captain had we stepped down and been relegated.
I certainly think he should be kept on whatever squad upgrades we have as he can be a valuable squad member
Both him and Lansbury are 29 and both have a year left on contract both signed at same window.
Maybe both will run the course but Hourihane maybe even deserves an extension for what he's contribution both Premier league and in championship.
Lansbury should polite go now back to forest or certainly not be afforded anything extra.
Though again would have been useful had we gone down.
Well played Conor.
Post by: dave17 on July 28, 2020, 02:53:12 AM
Post by: Matt C on July 28, 2020, 03:22:24 AM
Post by: supertom on July 28, 2020, 02:07:11 PM
For me he's a good squad player. We need another first 11 player, but Hourihane is a great option to have. I think we showed more attacking intent as a whole and Dean had to be more adventurous. He had to get players closer to the striker and in the box. When we attack with more intent, you then see more of Hourihanes quality. If he gets a more consistent run in a side playing with more confidence, he'll score you 5-10 a season. As frustrating as he has been at times, I don't think we've played him enough from the start. I also think the great form of Douglas has helped Hourihane since he got back in too. If you know the guy at the base is playing well, you can focus on your own job more.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2020, 03:26:24 PM
Villa aren't villa with out some Irish connection right ?!
That being a quality Ireland international under rated by other clubs and media but effectively sound in their abilities and play to the strengths.
Well played Hourihane . Should have taken the direct free kick instead of Grealish v West Ham though Sunday .
He'll be bang up for those Leeds games next season too and great to see Grealish run straight to him when scored Sunday.
My thinking was he's been a captain every where he's been and would make ideal captain had we stepped down and been relegated.
I certainly think he should be kept on whatever squad upgrades we have as he can be a valuable squad member
Both him and Lansbury are 29 and both have a year left on contract both signed at same window.
Maybe both will run the course but Hourihane maybe even deserves an extension for what he's contribution both Premier league and in championship.
Lansbury should polite go now back to forest or certainly not be afforded anything extra.
Though again would have been useful had we gone down.
Well played Conor.
100% agree with all of this. Like a lot of us, I’ve groaned at times over the last few years when he’s having one of those hologram games. But he is a model professional, he’s a grafter, he’s determined, he seems to love villa and for me he was a really big player in the run in. He came on against United at 0-3 and looked angry, fecked his teammates out of it and ran round like a nutter. After that he was very influential in the team. He hasn’t got the pace and is not going to be a main man every game if we progress we’ll, but he has leadership qualities that I think are important to have around over the next year or two.
And yes, jack seemed to pull rank with the free kick on Sunday and that was a mistake I thought.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 22, 2020, 02:04:00 PM
Until we find someone who directly contributes to goals more than he does, I think he should be on the pitch for at least a part of every game.
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2020, 02:50:44 PM
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They always want more and that is a natural thing because it is such a big club. Some lads can handle that and some can’t.
“Since I’ve signed there have been a lot of lads who have just found it too big, if I am being honest with you.”
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2020, 03:29:27 PM
Targett
Engels
Hogan
McCormack
Possibly
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2020, 05:33:31 PM
Bree
Targett
Engels
Hogan
McCormack
Possibly
I wouldn't include Targett in that list, no way. He may have struggled at times, but he played his part in keeping us up.
Post by: john e on August 22, 2020, 07:42:12 PM
Bree
Targett
Engels
Hogan
McCormack
Possibly
I wouldn't include Targett in that list, no way. He may have struggled at times, but he played his part in keeping us up.
yep and hopefully will be even better next season
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2020, 01:02:27 PM
Who scored rated him 8.51 performance
Post by: aj2k77 on September 29, 2020, 01:19:45 PM
For all the money we've spent, our midfield 5 of: McGinn, Hourihane, Luiz, Trezeguet and Grealish cost less than £30m for 5 players.
Post by: Ad@m on September 29, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
Brilliant purchase. He has his flaws but his set piece delivery has provided so many assists the last 3 years.
And goals
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 29, 2020, 07:55:05 PM
Bree
Targett
Engels
Hogan
McCormack
Possibly
I wouldn't include Targett in that list, no way. He may have struggled at times, but he played his part in keeping us up.
Targett shits himself if Jack isn't around to hold his hand. I thought he really improved after lockdown but last night was further proof that the lad can't defend. I couldn't understand why Fulham stopped targeting him second half.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 29, 2020, 09:51:46 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2020, 09:54:41 PM
Article states £1 million. That can’t be right?
Think he was coming to the end of his contract.
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 01, 2020, 01:50:12 AM
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2020, 01:56:03 AM
Post by: Clampy on October 01, 2020, 08:52:30 AM
Post by: Ad@m on October 01, 2020, 10:39:43 AM
I think he's a model professional but isn't good enough to take us where we want to go. He's certainly lower down the pecking order than Luis and McGinn. But he'll get his head down even more now Barkley's here and I wouldn't bet against him stepping up again.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 01, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
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Post by: dave shelley on October 01, 2020, 12:37:24 PM
There's definitely a place for him, his attitude and dead-ball ability in particular are what make him absolutely worth keeping. He's a true- team player as well.
Without doubt.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 01, 2020, 01:27:02 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2020, 01:32:53 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 18, 2020, 12:20:46 PM
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Hourihane says coronavirus chaos taking its toll on players
Concern about contracting virus on international duty an additional strain
Emmet Malone
The Irish Times
Amid the chaos caused by coronavirus around the Irish and other international squads, Conor Hourihane admits the pandemic has been mentally challenging for players both on and off the pitch with the Aston Villa midfielder hoping that positive news on the vaccine front means life, and football, might be back to something approaching normal by the time the World Cup qualifiers get under way next spring.
The 29-year-old has more cause for concern than most. Having lost someone himself to Covid-19, his partner is now expecting a child and so he is anxious not to bring the virus home from a camp that has suffered more than its share of cases.
“It’s not easy,” he says. “We’re all worried about results, performances and goals and whatever – and yes that’s what we all want – but, listen, I’ve had a family issue with Covid, somebody unfortunately passing away. My partner is pregnant as well so I don’t want to be taking anything back to her.
“So there are a lot of factors. People won’t know what’s going on in other people’s lives. We’re all wanting results and to win games but sometimes there are bigger things out there in life. This pandemic is definitely bigger than a couple of goals and a couple of results. But fingers crossed we’ll get a good performance on Wednesday.”
Hourihane is honest enough to acknowledge the contradictions involved. On the one hand he is, he says, slightly surprised that clubs haven’t done more to prevent their players coming away on international duty in the current window given of the risks involved. On the other, even with his own circumstances right now, he insists there was no way that he was pulling out of an Ireland squad off his own bat.
“I suppose that’s a little bit of a selfish piece of mind that I have as an athlete,” he says. “Hopefully, I won’t bring anything home and we do get tested regularly, which is important. And I do feel safe but you have to be a little bit selfish in this game and I was never going to pull out.
“I love playing for Ireland,” he continues. “It’s a very short career, it flashes by you in the blink of an eye, so any call-up I get, I’ll always be here.”
That said, he says... “I did think that maybe it all would have been more of a factor for this trip. In the October meet-up there were a lot of positives and issues going on with pull-outs and positive tests and people going back to clubs and not being able to play, and all the rest of it.
“So I thought this November trip might get put into jeopardy and there may be a conversation around that, where clubs wouldn’t let players go. But now that the November trip has cracked on and we’re here, then hopefully come March, there might be light at the end of the tunnel. I think after this trip, I don’t see that being an issue really.”
That slightly tentative confidence is based on a widespread hope, as much as any expectation, that vaccines could be available by then and the Corkman has certainly been encouraged by the reports over the past week or so of encouraging results in trials.
“Yeah, hearing about the vaccine is massive for the mental health side of things. That’s definitely a great little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. It’s fantastic to hear. It gives everyone a little bit of a lift.
“By the sounds of it, the vaccine is going to be massive part of getting out of this mess, so the sooner that gets dripped into communities, the better. We all want to see the back of Covid, I know loads and loads of people are struggling with all of it. Any bit of good news right now – when it all seems to be doom and gloom – is important.”
In that sort of context, the football strikes many as insignificant but Hourihane inevitably believes sport has a positive part to play and is just sorry that nothing is what it should be.
“It’s very disheartening,” he admits, “but you try and get on with it as best you can. Football and life, the GAA games I’ve watched, none of it’s the same at the minute; the supporters, the intensity, the energy around stadiums isn’t there at the minute. You have to make do as best we can but there is not the same emotional energy, passion... all those words you think of when fans are there.
“But that’s just life at the moment. We’ve been hit hard by it over the last three trips and it hasn’t been easy. But hopefully we’ll get a positive result and then come March we’ll be back to a little bit of normality. Then, fingers crossed, we can kick on from there.”
Post by: brontebilly on November 19, 2020, 08:32:32 PM
Nothing on his plight at Villa but difficult times all-round for Conor at the moment, as reported by the newspaper of record today:QuoteHourihane says coronavirus chaos taking its toll on players
Concern about contracting virus on international duty an additional strain
Emmet Malone
The Irish Times
Amid the chaos caused by coronavirus around the Irish and other international squads, Conor Hourihane admits the pandemic has been mentally challenging for players both on and off the pitch with the Aston Villa midfielder hoping that positive news on the vaccine front means life, and football, might be back to something approaching normal by the time the World Cup qualifiers get under way next spring.
The 29-year-old has more cause for concern than most. Having lost someone himself to Covid-19, his partner is now expecting a child and so he is anxious not to bring the virus home from a camp that has suffered more than its share of cases.
“It’s not easy,” he says. “We’re all worried about results, performances and goals and whatever – and yes that’s what we all want – but, listen, I’ve had a family issue with Covid, somebody unfortunately passing away. My partner is pregnant as well so I don’t want to be taking anything back to her.
“So there are a lot of factors. People won’t know what’s going on in other people’s lives. We’re all wanting results and to win games but sometimes there are bigger things out there in life. This pandemic is definitely bigger than a couple of goals and a couple of results. But fingers crossed we’ll get a good performance on Wednesday.”
Hourihane is honest enough to acknowledge the contradictions involved. On the one hand he is, he says, slightly surprised that clubs haven’t done more to prevent their players coming away on international duty in the current window given of the risks involved. On the other, even with his own circumstances right now, he insists there was no way that he was pulling out of an Ireland squad off his own bat.
“I suppose that’s a little bit of a selfish piece of mind that I have as an athlete,” he says. “Hopefully, I won’t bring anything home and we do get tested regularly, which is important. And I do feel safe but you have to be a little bit selfish in this game and I was never going to pull out.
“I love playing for Ireland,” he continues. “It’s a very short career, it flashes by you in the blink of an eye, so any call-up I get, I’ll always be here.”
That said, he says... “I did think that maybe it all would have been more of a factor for this trip. In the October meet-up there were a lot of positives and issues going on with pull-outs and positive tests and people going back to clubs and not being able to play, and all the rest of it.
“So I thought this November trip might get put into jeopardy and there may be a conversation around that, where clubs wouldn’t let players go. But now that the November trip has cracked on and we’re here, then hopefully come March, there might be light at the end of the tunnel. I think after this trip, I don’t see that being an issue really.”
That slightly tentative confidence is based on a widespread hope, as much as any expectation, that vaccines could be available by then and the Corkman has certainly been encouraged by the reports over the past week or so of encouraging results in trials.
“Yeah, hearing about the vaccine is massive for the mental health side of things. That’s definitely a great little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. It’s fantastic to hear. It gives everyone a little bit of a lift.
“By the sounds of it, the vaccine is going to be massive part of getting out of this mess, so the sooner that gets dripped into communities, the better. We all want to see the back of Covid, I know loads and loads of people are struggling with all of it. Any bit of good news right now – when it all seems to be doom and gloom – is important.”
In that sort of context, the football strikes many as insignificant but Hourihane inevitably believes sport has a positive part to play and is just sorry that nothing is what it should be.
“It’s very disheartening,” he admits, “but you try and get on with it as best you can. Football and life, the GAA games I’ve watched, none of it’s the same at the minute; the supporters, the intensity, the energy around stadiums isn’t there at the minute. You have to make do as best we can but there is not the same emotional energy, passion... all those words you think of when fans are there.
“But that’s just life at the moment. We’ve been hit hard by it over the last three trips and it hasn’t been easy. But hopefully we’ll get a positive result and then come March we’ll be back to a little bit of normality. Then, fingers crossed, we can kick on from there.”
He's struggling to make much of an impact for Ireland unfortunately @Eamonn...not the only one, mind. Robbie Brady's career seems in freefall...that Euro 2016 team, most of them are in the same boat career wise (Duffy, Clark, Brady, Hendrick, Long).
Delaney's legacy I'm afraid, we are a thoroughly dreadful international football team these days. The green jersey seems to have less of a hold on the diaspora these days too 😀 (M Keane, Maguire?, Rice, Grealish, Bamford, Kane). Decent team there...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 19, 2020, 08:38:12 PM
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Post by: Mister E on November 30, 2020, 06:15:02 PM
Fully behind him if he starts tonight vs West Ham.Ward-Prowse puts himself about in a way that Conor seems unable to.
Noting how JWP of Southampton seems to offer little else than a free kick and set piece. Hourihane can be viewed in a similar vein.
That said, I hope he gets the Barkley berth tonight.
Post by: Rudy65 on November 30, 2020, 08:57:25 PM
Fully behind him if he starts tonight vs West Ham.Ward-Prowse puts himself about in a way that Conor seems unable to.
Noting how JWP of Southampton seems to offer little else than a free kick and set piece. Hourihane can be viewed in a similar vein.
That said, I hope he gets the Barkley berth tonight.
Certainly had opportunities to make a mark.
2 free kicks for shots and wished one went in
I'm thinking 3rd time a charm second half v West Ham if he gets another opportunity.
I also thought he put in a delightful set piece on more than one occasion.
But very true he has hardly put himself about.
Couple of nice edge of area link up and runs in box but hardly apparent Luiz is running that midfield tonight
He just isn’t mobile enough at this level
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2020, 08:59:08 PM
Fully behind him if he starts tonight vs West Ham.Ward-Prowse puts himself about in a way that Conor seems unable to.
Noting how JWP of Southampton seems to offer little else than a free kick and set piece. Hourihane can be viewed in a similar vein.
That said, I hope he gets the Barkley berth tonight.
Certainly had opportunities to make a mark.
2 free kicks for shots and wished one went in
I'm thinking 3rd time a charm second half v West Ham if he gets another opportunity.
I also thought he put in a delightful set piece on more than one occasion.
But very true he has hardly put himself about.
Couple of nice edge of area link up and runs in box but hardly apparent Luiz is running that midfield tonight
He just isn’t mobile enough at this level
Yep, just doesn't quite get around well enough.
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 30, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on November 30, 2020, 09:37:47 PM
Great guy, not for us now,
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Post by: Axl Rose on December 01, 2020, 04:37:48 AM
Did nothing tonight, not good enough.
Is the correct answer. I don't see the appeal at all. A Westwood that scores occasionally.
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Post by: CT on December 01, 2020, 07:17:24 AM
He can’t complain if he isn’t in for Newcastle now.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 01, 2020, 07:25:07 AM
Unlucky with the free kicks.
For every negative aimed at Conor the same and more could be aimed at McGinn. John was invisible and lumbered through the whole 90+ mins.
I'd prefer to focus on the real reasons we lost. Shoddy defending (and with that shoddy defensive coaching), shoddy concentration and shoddy finishing within the penalty area.
Oh and fcuking var, how could I forget that!
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2020, 09:01:08 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 01, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Also Luiz played very well when he didn't have McGinn alongside him last night. Posters will see what they want to see where individual players are concerned, but the bigger picture indicates that McGinn is really struggling.
Post by: in exile on December 01, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
Congrats Conor on your 150th appearance for Villa.I agree with this 100%.
Unlucky with the free kicks.
For every negative aimed at Conor the same and more could be aimed at McGinn. John was invisible and lumbered through the whole 90+ mins.
He seems to be un-droppable.
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 01, 2020, 01:07:54 PM
We need much better im afraid
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 01, 2020, 01:12:19 PM
I agree, McGinn was much worse than Hourihane last night, he's been playing like a plank for a good few games now.
I think being out of the game for so long has had a real impact on SJM. He's lost his pace and no doubt a bit of confidence. The shot he tried last night was pitiful and left me embarrassed for him. It's all about fine lines but right now he's only 75% of the player we know he can be. There were moments in the second half where he powered forward through the middle and looked like his old self but overall he's still not there but it will come.
Conor was only making his second start of the season and I thought he did well all things considered. Games against teams like West Ham are ideal for him, it's against the more technical teams where he struggles. I still love him.
Post by: brontebilly on December 01, 2020, 06:16:53 PM
I agree, McGinn was much worse than Hourihane last night, he's been playing like a plank for a good few games now.
I think being out of the game for so long has had a real impact on SJM. He's lost his pace and no doubt a bit of confidence. The shot he tried last night was pitiful and left me embarrassed for him. It's all about fine lines but right now he's only 75% of the player we know he can be. There were moments in the second half where he powered forward through the middle and looked like his old self but overall he's still not there but it will come.
Conor was only making his second start of the season and I thought he did well all things considered. Games against teams like West Ham are ideal for him, it's against the more technical teams where he struggles. I still love him.
McGinn's form has been very patchy this season. Fulham, Liverpool, Arsenal and Leicester he was excellent. Sheff Utd, Leeds, Southampton, Brighton he was dire. Average/poor last night and had to be swapped with Hourihane early on as was having no effect on the game. That continued really in a more advanced position.
Like Mings I think he needs proper competition for his place. Hourihane for all his positive attributes isn't that really and Nakamba certainly isn't.
Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2020, 06:33:18 PM
He has been harshly treated this season by Smith in truth. McGinn was hopeless again today and we were outplayed in midfield generally. I'd expect Hourihane to try and move on in January. He isn't the type like Lansbury to just pick up a handy wage.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2020, 06:47:38 PM
Smith knows this but might need him to fill in.
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2020, 07:20:13 PM
Beginning of the end for Hourihane under Smith today. Been clear for sometime that Smith doesn't fancy him but not to get a minute today was damning. And that after what I thought was a solid performance at West Ham where we dominated the midfield.
He has been harshly treated this season by Smith in truth. McGinn was hopeless again today and we were outplayed in midfield generally. I'd expect Hourihane to try and move on in January. He isn't the type like Lansbury to just pick up a handy wage.
He hasnt been treated harshly at all. We had two attack minded midfielders out today so he put Ramsey in. The midfield have all been pretty solid overall so far and it would have been unfair to drop any of them. He's not owed a spot, he needs to earn it. Nakamba has hardly had a look in either, probably for the same reasons.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 12, 2020, 09:24:23 PM
Post by: manic-road on December 12, 2020, 09:37:40 PM
Beginning of the end for Hourihane under Smith today. Been clear for sometime that Smith doesn't fancy him but not to get a minute today was damning. And that after what I thought was a solid performance at West Ham where we dominated the midfield.
He has been harshly treated this season by Smith in truth. McGinn was hopeless again today and we were outplayed in midfield generally. I'd expect Hourihane to try and move on in January. He isn't the type like Lansbury to just pick up a handy wage.
McGinn hopeless today? nah maybe he couldn't get stuck in as much as usual because of yet another soft booking early on from Dean but not hopeless.
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2020, 09:43:34 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 12, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Conor could be in the team next Sunday as Luiz is out.Thursday.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 12, 2020, 10:01:15 PM
Conor could be in the team next Sunday as Luiz is out.Thursday.
Thursday is the sort of game you might be thinking about resting Luiz for in any case.
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
Post by: OzVilla on December 13, 2020, 10:00:07 AM
Post by: CT on December 13, 2020, 12:30:39 PM
If Barkley is back I can see us sticking with Ramsey, as thought he did alright. I like Hourihane and he’s been great for us but he’s sliding down the pecking order again after yesterday.
If Ross doesn’t make Thursday, it could be a last chance for Conor. Put in a big performance and he might have a chance of staying in for Albion.
Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2020, 12:38:43 PM
It's going to be a difficult one for our midfield on Thursday night. Going to need Grealish and Watkins back to their best to get a result.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 13, 2020, 02:23:20 PM
Hourihane did well for us in that holding role at times in that run before and including the play off final but don't think he is up to it in the top division. Would need someone sitting next to him like Luiz did at West Ham. Don't think Nakamba is up to it either but I think he will get the nod against Burnley. Luiz being out also robs us of a right footed option in the centre of the park, Hourihane, McGinn and Nakamba are all very much left sided. Ramsey I guess will keep his place as a result next to Nakamba with McGinn further forward.
It's going to be a difficult one for our midfield on Thursday night. Going to need Grealish and Watkins back to their best to get a result.
I remain convinced that you are Roy Keane, bronte.
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2020, 03:34:13 PM
Post by: OCD on December 13, 2020, 07:11:26 PM
Post by: AV82EC on December 13, 2020, 08:06:42 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
There are 3 squad fillers taking up space on the wage bill I’d shift well before Hourihane. Lansbury Taylor and Kalinic.
I think we will sooner forfeit a game before Lansbury and Kalinic play for us again. Don't know why we just don't pay both of them off to leave. Taylors contract is up in the summer, wouldn't be much of a surprise if he left in Jan either.
I think Hourihane could be out of contract this summer too, can anyone confirm? Would surely have a lot of championship clubs interested in him if so with 2.5 year contracts on offer.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 13, 2020, 08:48:07 PM
Or likes of Burnley or Newcastle would probably take him as squad player.
Post by: London Villan on December 13, 2020, 09:01:43 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 13, 2020, 09:27:48 PM
Hasnt he played in every division too?
Yep I first saw him play for Plymouth against Stourbridge in the cup about a decade ago and Plymouth were league 2 at the time. Then moved up to Barnsley and helped them get promoted to the championship and eventually did the same with us.
Of course it's frustrating when we play him v a Leicester or Southampton and he barely touches the ball but overall he's been a fantastic value for money signing and we weren't signing too many of those around the 2016-17 period. Or the 5 years before.
As Risso says above sometimes it comes to a point where we have to move some of the good guys on. If him going for 5-6m helps getting Barkley in full time we obviously have to do it.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 13, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2020, 12:07:40 AM
Hourihane did well for us in that holding role at times in that run before and including the play off final but don't think he is up to it in the top division. Would need someone sitting next to him like Luiz did at West Ham. Don't think Nakamba is up to it either but I think he will get the nod against Burnley. Luiz being out also robs us of a right footed option in the centre of the park, Hourihane, McGinn and Nakamba are all very much left sided. Ramsey I guess will keep his place as a result next to Nakamba with McGinn further forward.
It's going to be a difficult one for our midfield on Thursday night. Going to need Grealish and Watkins back to their best to get a result.
I remain convinced that you are Roy Keane, bronte.
Ouch.....think Keano signed Hourihane twice but didn't play him once.
Post by: Richard on December 14, 2020, 12:11:47 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2020, 12:23:38 AM
Agree with most that’s been said. But think I’d still rather have Hourihane in the side on Thursday instead of Nakamba. a midfield three of mcginn, Ramsey and hourihane (or nakamba), leaves me feeling a little nervous against them bunch of bruisers.
Their midfield general is Ashley Westwood...
Burnley will be going direct to Wood, a lot. McNeill is tidy enough on the left and will cause Elmo/Guilbert problems
But if we can get the ball to Grealish quickly high up the pitch then I can't see Matt Lowton lasting 90mins
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2020, 01:22:33 AM
Post by: in exile on December 14, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2020, 11:16:02 AM
I can see Conor requesting a move in January.I doubt if anyone in the Championship can afford his wages.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
I can see Conor requesting a move in January.I doubt if anyone in the Championship can afford his wages.
His contract runs out next summer anyway though, so he might take a bit of a cut to get ahead of the game. The newly relegated clubs like Norwich and Watford would be able to meet his wages I reckon, I doubt they're vast in the grand scheme of things.
Post by: eamonn on December 14, 2020, 12:39:55 PM
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2020, 12:50:48 PM
He only signed an extension summer last year but I can't see any mention of the contract length from news reports at the time. It would be odd if we'd only given him 2 years.
Any places stating the length suggest it was two years, so would run out next summer. Doesn't seem to be any reports that contradict that.
Post by: Drummond on December 14, 2020, 12:55:55 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 14, 2020, 02:50:49 PM
... Burnley will be going direct to Wood, a lot...Yes, which means our midfielders need to be alert for the second ball and be prepared to out-muscle theirs for it. McNeil and Thornhill look quite useful, and Dyche will definitely play Rodriguez alongside Wood, if available.
No easy games in the Premier League; blah, blah - cliched but true.
Post by: mike on December 29, 2020, 09:46:07 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 29, 2020, 10:01:17 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 29, 2020, 10:09:06 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2020, 10:10:27 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2020, 11:05:47 PM
I can't help but think that Conor's got one more Alan Huttonesque last fling in him to secure his place in folklore.
I'd love to see him come on and score an injury time winner on Friday.
Post by: mike on December 29, 2020, 11:14:06 PM
I can't help but think that Conor's got one more Alan Huttonesque last fling in him to secure his place in folklore.
You may well be right. I hope you are.
Post by: Ad@m on December 29, 2020, 11:43:38 PM
He's lower-Prem level though so I could easily see him getting a move to one of the bottom third teams in January or the Summer.
Christ, if Ashley Westwood can carve out a career in the Prem, Conor can!!!
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2020, 11:50:15 PM
Been an excellent servant for us but his time has passed given Ramsey is regularly getting infront of him. Mind you I thought that about AEG 2 months ago!
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2020, 07:21:11 AM
A decent left foot but not much else. Very grateful for his contribution and attitude.
Still may have a bit part role to play this season. But his time is coming to a close.
Post by: rooboy316 on December 30, 2020, 10:56:57 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2020, 11:00:09 AM
We should only let him go when we have someone better lined upand even then only if the squad will be too big. I'd like to see him in a coaching capacity at some point because he strikes me as the perfect role model for the younger players.
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 30, 2020, 11:04:29 AM
It seems a shame to let his contract run out in 6 months and get nothing for him, if he were to move on. Surely a lower level PL midfielder would command a decent fee?
I think his contract runs out in 2022.
Post by: Ad@m on December 30, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
I also read an interesting interview with Samatta recently who said Smith was completely up front with him in the summer, telling him Watkins would be first choice and with Wes and Davis he'd struggle to get a game. I can imagine a similar conversation will happen with Conor soon if it hasn't already.
Post by: Tom Stewart on December 30, 2020, 11:20:22 AM
It seems a shame to let his contract run out in 6 months and get nothing for him, if he were to move on. Surely a lower level PL midfielder would command a decent fee?
I think his contract runs out in 2022.
I did a bit of googling about this yesterday and although it's not completely clear, I think it actually runs until June 2021.
He signed improved terms when we got promoted but not an extension as far as I can see.
For the money we paid for him, he's been an absolutely fantastic signing - his vital goal contributions helped get us up and keep us there.
The style of the team has moved on and we simply need more legs and muscle in central midfield to compete in the top half, and I think Smith knows that, hence his unwillingness to give Conor many minutes this season.
When he does leave, he should be held in as high a regard as the likes of James Chester.
Post by: passport1 on December 30, 2020, 11:21:24 AM
Post by: dave shelley on December 30, 2020, 12:33:51 PM
It seems a shame to let his contract run out in 6 months and get nothing for him, if he were to move on. Surely a lower level PL midfielder would command a decent fee?
I think his contract runs out in 2022.
I did a bit of googling about this yesterday and although it's not completely clear, I think it actually runs until June 2021.
He signed improved terms when we got promoted but not an extension as far as I can see.
For the money we paid for him, he's been an absolutely fantastic signing - his vital goal contributions helped get us up and keep us there.
The style of the team has moved on and we simply need more legs and muscle in central midfield to compete in the top half, and I think Smith knows that, hence his unwillingness to give Conor many minutes this season.
When he does leave, he should be held in as high a regard as the likes of James Chester.
I agree. Whatever perceptions of Conor's 100% are, he always gave it.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 30, 2020, 12:40:18 PM
It seems a shame to let his contract run out in 6 months and get nothing for him, if he were to move on. Surely a lower level PL midfielder would command a decent fee?Perhaps a bit like Bournemouth did with Tommy Elphick, we let his contract run down so even more clubs can pick him up without paying a fee. It does him a big favour in finding a new club.
Post by: Dave P on December 30, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 30, 2020, 12:44:42 PM
It seems a shame to let his contract run out in 6 months and get nothing for him, if he were to move on. Surely a lower level PL midfielder would command a decent fee?
I think his contract runs out in 2022.
I did a bit of googling about this yesterday and although it's not completely clear, I think it actually runs until June 2021.
He signed improved terms when we got promoted but not an extension as far as I can see.
For the money we paid for him, he's been an absolutely fantastic signing - his vital goal contributions helped get us up and keep us there.
The style of the team has moved on and we simply need more legs and muscle in central midfield to compete in the top half, and I think Smith knows that, hence his unwillingness to give Conor many minutes this season.
When he does leave, he should be held in as high a regard as the likes of James Chester.
Agreed, I like him and think he's done a great job for us. I remember saying around the time of the playoff defeat that I wouldn't be surprised if we got offers from the lower premier teams because I think that's pretty clearly his level. He'd improve the midfield of 5-6 premier league teams in my opinion.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 30, 2020, 12:46:11 PM
I think he'll look to leave. Unlike Lansbury he doesn't strike me as the kind of player to be happy sitting on his arse getting paid.
I also read an interesting interview with Samatta recently who said Smith was completely up front with him in the summer, telling him Watkins would be first choice and with Wes and Davis he'd struggle to get a game. I can imagine a similar conversation will happen with Conor soon if it hasn't already.
No chance. Conor will still be here in February unless we bring someone in, which seems unlikely. He played 74 minutes as recently as the end of last month, and has been on the bench ever since. It's hardly like he has no chance of ever playing again.
The games will come thick and fast in the second part of the season. We have 24 games still to play (plus FA Cup). If we have a cup run we will be playing weekend then midweek more often than not. We would be lucky to escape any injuries in Conor's position. Wilfully reducing the size of the squad would be an act of negligence.
Post by: Ad@m on December 30, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
Lansbury's the only midfielder at the club who's lower down the pecking order, but unlike Lansbury I can see other clubs coming in for Conor.
As others have said, he'd improve any of the bottom six or seven teams in the division. If his contract is up in the summer, I can't see us turning down a £5m bid in January from a team desperate to stay up.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 30, 2020, 01:01:22 PM
In any case, if I was him I'd be in no rush to leave now when I could have my pick of clubs in the summer.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2020, 03:33:03 PM
It seems a shame to let his contract run out in 6 months and get nothing for him, if he were to move on. Surely a lower level PL midfielder would command a decent fee?Perhaps a bit like Bournemouth did with Tommy Elphick, we let his contract run down so even more clubs can pick him up without paying a fee. It does him a big favour in finding a new club.
Didn't we sign Elphick for about 3m?
Depends how much FFP is continuing to restrict us. It's logical anyway to balance the books, major clubs do it selling on their squad players for inflated fees (Everton sold Iwobi and Walcott to Everton for combined 60m).
Obviously not expecting a massive fee for Conor but based on his time with us, being a regular at internationa level and he's not even 30 that's 4-5m in today's money.
We fell into the trap under Lerner of spending near to 100m each summer without really balancing things out in terms of outgoings and eventually it caught up with us a bit so we had to start selling our best player for 15-20m.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2020, 03:42:38 PM
Then we would have nobody to blame but ourselves if we get an injury crisis. I would hope that having left ourselves woefully short up front last season, we wouldn't make the same mistake this year with our midfield. Obviously if we sign someone, things can change. If he was nowhere near the squad, he might be off. But he has been on the bench and will almost certainly feature in one of our next two games, postponements not withstanding. He is still an important squad member.
In any case, if I was him I'd be in no rush to leave now when I could have my pick of clubs in the summer.
Midfield is pretty stocked tbf. Still got Barkley to come back into the mix, Ramsey coming on well and now trusted to come on at Chelsea when it's 1-1 with 15 left so he'll be getting loads of minutes in second half of the season and Nakamba came in for Doug v Burnley at DM and did fine.
Can also move Jack or Traore back to AM if needs once once Trez is fit.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 30, 2020, 03:44:53 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2020, 03:50:37 PM
Also signed Westwood from us and that was about 6m IIRC.
Can see him being a target for Dyche next month as that's the type of profile he likes so think we can get more than 50p for him.
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2020, 05:43:42 PM
Post by: algy on December 30, 2020, 05:55:19 PM
Depends how much FFP is continuing to restrict us. It's logical anyway to balance the books, major clubs do it selling on their squad players for inflated fees (Everton sold Iwobi and Walcott to Everton for combined 60m).That's an astounding price. Did they start a bidding war between them and Everton?
Post by: john e on December 30, 2020, 05:56:48 PM
Well we're never going to get our money's worth out of Heaton so Burnley do owe us in a way.
Maybe already have some of his saves at the start of last season if they gained us just one point would have saved us from going down
Post by: CT on December 30, 2020, 08:57:36 PM
I think we’re going to need him and I’d rather he was our squad player than Burnley’s.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 30, 2020, 09:11:58 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2020, 09:35:33 PM
Well we're never going to get our money's worth out of Heaton so Burnley do owe us in a way.
Maybe already have some of his saves at the start of last season if they gained us just one point would have saved us from going down
Dunno, he cost us in the first home game against Bournemouth.
Post by: Ian. on January 14, 2021, 09:10:18 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 14, 2021, 09:13:59 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2021, 10:11:45 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 14, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Unless we are bringing people in, letting players like HL leave would be madness, IMO.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 14, 2021, 10:18:16 PM
Can't be out of contract if we're considering a loan move.
Think he finishes 2022
Post by: purpletrousers on January 15, 2021, 07:22:18 AM
Aston Villa are considering letting Conor Hourihane leave on loan this month amid interest from a number of clubs according to football insider.
Yes he would suit a challenging championship team however I feel he a great asset to have in squad and with all the matches and uncertainty of the season hes solid enough to remain part of match day squads and if he's going then someone in midfield must be lined up - and would obviously be a higher level
Model pro is conor good luck to him if he's seeking more first team minutes and playing involvement if rumours are to be believed
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-big-update-on-aston-villa-letting-hourihane-leave-this-month/
“ He has played 150 times for the Midlands giants, scoring an impressive 29 goals as well as supplying 23 assists.”
Goals 1 in 5 (obv mainly at lower level)
Goal involvement 1 in 3
Big stats.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 15, 2021, 10:16:45 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 15, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
I like Conor's attitude and he has certainly scored some vital goals - though like Trez and maybe Guilbert - if we are to progress as we want, upgrades are required and sentiment is even more marginalised.
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
Not necessarily someone incoming if he does leave, it might means Jacob Ramsey is more involved as a genuine first team squad member with another u23 stepping up as a 'fringe' player.
I like Conor's attitude and he has certainly scored some vital goals - though like Trez and maybe Guilbert - if we are to progress as we want, upgrades are required and sentiment is even more marginalised.
If the rumours around Aaron Ramsey attracting interest from Ajax and Celtic are true it could be that he steps up, or Chukwuemeka who looks a fantastic prospect. Central midfield looks like an area where we have a lot of talent breaking through if you add in the 3 who played in the cup as well.
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 15, 2021, 07:21:41 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
I think a lot of the speculation of Hourihane leaving is due to the emergence of Ramsay and Villa's determination to keep hold. Realistically Hourihane has been hit and miss since he first signed. If you took his free kicks out of it, then bang average at best imo.
But if you include his free kicks - because, why wouldn't you? - he's been a really important player.
Post by: exigo on January 16, 2021, 10:38:04 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 16, 2021, 10:42:58 AM
Decent dead ball and a good strike and maybe useful impact sub when opposition tired.
A good pro and servant to the club and wish him well.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 16, 2021, 10:57:36 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 16, 2021, 11:12:05 AM
I think a lot of the speculation of Hourihane leaving is due to the emergence of Ramsay and Villa's determination to keep hold. Realistically Hourihane has been hit and miss since he first signed. If you took his free kicks out of it, then bang average at best imo.
If you took his assists, set pieces and goals out of it then I'd agree
Post by: baddowvillans on January 16, 2021, 11:17:15 AM
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 16, 2021, 11:53:49 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2021, 12:21:55 PM
Have always had time for Conor even when many on here were critical. He has more than made a contribution in the Premier League and his free kicks are a powerful weapon off the bench. A nice guy too and I would keep him for now
Same here and see where we are in the summer. I'd also imagine he's a good, grounded presence to have around the younger members of the squad.
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 16, 2021, 12:26:23 PM
Holograms time at Villa has been a big success and he did his share of helping Villa back to the premier league. It is time for him to move on now though to prolong his playing career. No good sitting on our bench until he retires. He can still do a job for someone in the championship
Why do people still call him this - it’s not funny and is an insult to a player who made a crucial contribution in stopping us being a laughing stock. We had lots of piss takers in the last ten years who deserve our disdain, but Hourihane is a good player, a good professional and has always given us his all - he deserves respect.
Post by: Ads on January 16, 2021, 12:48:45 PM
He's done a lot for us and he can, on occasion still do the odd bit in this league. But I think physically the game at this level passes him by. I wish him nothing but well, but think he along with a few others needs moving on.
Post by: CT on January 16, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
I think we’ll need him.
Post by: dave shelley on January 16, 2021, 12:53:40 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 16, 2021, 01:31:08 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 16, 2021, 02:06:52 PM
I'll always remember him for whacking that one in against the Albion in the play-off semi-final at Villa Park. That in itself has him a hero to me.
Totally agree, he’s scored some crucial goals none more so than that one
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2021, 02:11:14 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 16, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
I think he’s been a super player for us and reached the top of his ability with us. And that ability at times has led to some really good performances but certainly a number of truly brilliant goals. He’s been a great professional, dedicated and good to have around the club. And I wouldn’t have an issue with someone like him, a bit like Elmo being at the club. But sometimes things just come to an end, and this may just be the best for the remainder of his career to step down to a club lower in the league or help a club in the Championship compete for a spot in the PL.
Totally agree. He's been great for the club but we are a step up for him now and we need an upgrade. In fact, if we could get that upgrade in now, it would really help us with all of the games in hand we have as a better player would be guaranteed to make a difference, where we can only hope that Hourihane might.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 16, 2021, 02:34:06 PM
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Post by: Pat Mustard on January 16, 2021, 02:55:41 PM
Equally, I would be more than happy to keep him in the squad, with the number of games we have left to play we will need good squad options, and to be fair he was playing really well in the games before we signed Barkley.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2021, 03:36:51 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on January 16, 2021, 03:42:30 PM
I'll always remember him for whacking that one in against the Albion in the play-off semi-final at Villa Park. That in itself has him a hero to me.
Hourihane, Hutton, El Ghazi, Tammy, Chester, Steer, Elmo, Adomah. All players I'll think highly of forever for their performances in that season for me.
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 16, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
I'll always remember him for whacking that one in against the Albion in the play-off semi-final at Villa Park. That in itself has him a hero to me.
Hourihane, Hutton, El Ghazi, Tammy, Chester, Steer, Elmo, Adomah. All players I'll think highly of forever for their performances in that season for me.
Same here. I’d also add Glenn Whelan to the list for the form he showed in the run in during our promotion season.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 16, 2021, 04:40:24 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2021, 08:03:34 PM
Post by: VillaSpen on January 16, 2021, 08:17:31 PM
As has been stated already he was a big part of that promotion winning side and the one before it. He's not the calibre of player we're now looking at but I hope he'll be remembered fondly when he moves on.
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 16, 2021, 08:33:47 PM
Post by: Dave on January 16, 2021, 09:07:34 PM
I think he'll be filed in the Garry Parker. In a couple of years time I'll see a youtube video of his Villa goals and think he was maybe a little bit underrated because time will erase the shortcomings a bit.
Reckon that's absolutely bang on.
Post by: Ad@m on January 16, 2021, 11:51:10 PM
Conor isn't going to play much for us now, not if we're aspiring to be top half - I hope he holds out for a Premier League move, he's got enough in his locker to play for a bottom half team.
100%.
I've said it before, but if Ashley Westwood can carve out a career as a Premier League player, Conor's good enough to do so.
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2021, 01:58:02 AM
I think he'll be filed in the Garry Parker. In a couple of years time I'll see a youtube video of his Villa goals and think he was maybe a little bit underrated because time will erase the shortcomings a bit.
Reckon that's absolutely bang on.
A bit like Tommy Hitz too.
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2021, 11:47:32 AM
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Post by: algy on January 17, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
Think he'd be a solid, frugal signing for a newly promoted PL club in the summer. Good enough to make a contribution in the PL, and if they get relegated they'll have a quality player at Championship level.
Post by: mike on January 17, 2021, 02:33:03 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 17, 2021, 02:39:30 PM
I'm glad that whatever else happened, he had the chance of tweeting back that fan who said years ago he would never play in the PL, let alone score a goal.
That's the Cork lot for you!
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2021, 02:41:31 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 17, 2021, 08:34:19 PM
In the final run-in last season, he assisted five of our last six goals! So, without him, we would surely have gone down.
Post by: BC Villain on January 18, 2021, 10:08:36 AM
I can remember him being taken off against the stripeys a couple of years ago, and the way some fans around me reacted to him made me think it was Lescott being hauled off.
Says a lot about the man-management of set up that Smith has down there that, he hasn't moaned about not being in the team, like we've had from players in the past, when the likes of O'Neill just discarded players at the drop of a hat.
Post by: Gareth on January 18, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
I'll always remember him for whacking that one in against the Albion in the play-off semi-final at Villa Park. That in itself has him a hero to me.
Hourihane, Hutton, El Ghazi, Tammy, Chester, Steer, Elmo, Adomah. All players I'll think highly of forever for their performances in that season for me.
Same here. I’d also add Glenn Whelan to the list for the form he showed in the run in during our promotion season.
Glenn will always be a legend for missing the penalty vs Preston that sealed the deal to get rid of Bruceball
Very under rated player also
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2021, 11:34:57 AM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 19, 2021, 12:11:52 PM
Blues at home - sealed the game - brilliant goal.
Blackburn away - 1-0 down - 93rd minute - brilliant free kick.
Wembley - sweeping pass for Adomah to set up Elmo for the cross for the first goal.
Albion semi - as cool as you like penalty in the shootout.
Those are the vital ones off the top of my head - I am sure there are more.
Great pro, tries to make the best of what he has got and never shirked his responsibilities and will always be remembered fondly by a lot. Assuming this is it for him.
Post by: algy on January 19, 2021, 12:14:36 PM
For me, Swansea are a perfect move for him - he'll get regular games, and hopefully manage to stay as a premier league player (albeit with a newly promoted club again) next season.
Post by: Ian. on January 19, 2021, 12:21:03 PM
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 19, 2021, 12:26:56 PM
I'm surprised he's gone ahead of the Newcastle game because he loves playing against them. I'm also aurprised he's not gone to a lower PL team because he is PL.
That said I'll be hoping Swansea get promoted with Conor in the team.
Conor's been a huge player for Villa. A great influence on and off the pitch and in games always had Jack's back. Thanks for all the goals and assists! (My favourite was his free kick goal vs Barnsley in a 3-1 win for very personal reasons to me). He is a model professional and it comes as no surprise to me that he has chosen to go to play football rather than sit on the bench. Conor (along with the likes of James Chester and Uncle Albert) made it enjoyable for me to return to VP after our relegation season. A truly class act and Swansea are lucky to have him.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 19, 2021, 12:28:10 PM
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Post by: maidstonevillain on January 19, 2021, 12:32:08 PM
Good luck Conor on your loan move to Swansea.
I'm surprised he's gone ahead of the Newcastle game because he loves playing against them. I'm also aurprised he's not gone to a lower PL team because he is PL.
That said I'll be hoping Swansea get promoted with Conor in the team.
Conor's been a huge player for Villa. A great influence on and off the pitch and in games always had Jack's back. Thanks for all the goals and assists! (My favourite was his free kick goal vs Barnsley in a 3-1 win for very personal reasons to me). He is a model professional and it comes as no surprise to me that he has chosen to go to play football rather than sit on the bench. Conor (along with the likes of James Chester and Uncle Albert) made it enjoyable for me to return to VP after our relegation season. A truly class act and Swansea are lucky to have him.
Ditto
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2021, 12:55:40 PM
One of our best signings in the past 10 years, the long sought goal scoring midfielder (29 goals in 150 games) and assist king for us. Thought he played well for us against the likes of Fulham, West Ham and Sheff Utd this season but Smith is also right that we need more of an athlete in there.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 19, 2021, 12:55:47 PM
Would have kept hold of him with our congested fixture list. Can anyone definitely confirm he's out of contract in the summer? If so, I guess it means he has played his last game for us.Deano said he wanted him to stay around but Conor keen to go out and play, which is a great attitude and the club are obviously rewarding him Guessing Sanson is now nailed on.
Post by: LukeJames on January 19, 2021, 12:58:08 PM
Albion at home - vital, vital and brilliant goal.
Blues at home - sealed the game - brilliant goal.
Blackburn away - 1-0 down - 93rd minute - brilliant free kick.
Wembley - sweeping pass for Adomah to set up Elmo for the cross for the first goal.
Albion semi - as cool as you like penalty in the shootout.
Those are the vital ones off the top of my head - I am sure there are more.
Great pro, tries to make the best of what he has got and never shirked his responsibilities and will always be remembered fondly by a lot. Assuming this is it for him.
Norwich at home last season, arguably as important as the Albion Semi.
All the best Conor!
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 19, 2021, 12:59:05 PM
Conor has his limitations but overall played his part in getting us up from championship mid table so a rare value for money signing we made in the 16-17 period.
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2021, 01:01:37 PM
I suspect given Swansea are top 2 they'll be option for them to buy him end of season for 4-5m.
Doesn't his contract expire in the summer?
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 19, 2021, 01:05:05 PM
In 2022.I suspect given Swansea are top 2 they'll be option for them to buy him end of season for 4-5m.
Doesn't his contract expire in the summer?
His time is clearly up here
He hasn't played 90 minutes simce West Ham defeat end of November and this season so far for him individually has been one of disappointment and a realisation by all that he was best served with a move away because the stats and performances , however honest, were not up to standard
As others have said decent and honourable player . And provided some great memories. Good wishes to his move. Model pro and well handled by all especially at this time of covid-19 as well as fact he clearly wants to play football and not just sit around.
A great example and testament as he's rarely used and trusted now so with Barkley and Traore being involved he was squeezed out.
His lack of movement and limited ability on and off the ball for Dean saw him hardly involved on the pitch this season. 3 starts. I think WBA and Burnley were he had no opportunity summed it up for how he now was not part of the act even when squad is stretched.
Hes telling contributing act came at the start of the season vs a poor Fulham side with his goal and assist. That was the issue he only performed well and with any impact in prem vs the very weak sides. Norwich especially was a fixture he did well in last season and also against a passive Newcastle team
I think sometime playing for Villa was too much for him
Hourihane though was and is very proud to be part of the club and he's shown great resilience and professionalism to forge out his chance at top level football.
He lacked the ability to impose his authority on a match was far too passive and was often anonymous. I think having lacked the confidence held him back here at villa but he was determined enough to be part of the promotion winning squad and a spirited effort last season in retaining league status.
Big salute to him but today's game at prem level hasn't the athletic ability.
Fair play he never was wanting in attitude and I like how respecting of his profession he is .
Class act
Post by: LukeJames on January 19, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from Smith talking about him getting game time and returning in the Summer so maybe it expires the following year.I suspect given Swansea are top 2 they'll be option for them to buy him end of season for 4-5m.
Doesn't his contract expire in the summer?
"We'll look at the possibility but it's got to be right for Conor and the football club as well. It would be a loan to the end of the season to get him back playing and get him back to us."
Post by: dave shelley on January 19, 2021, 01:06:15 PM
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2021, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from Smith talking about him getting game time and returning in the Summer so maybe it expires the following year.I suspect given Swansea are top 2 they'll be option for them to buy him end of season for 4-5m.
Doesn't his contract expire in the summer?
Fair enough. You'd hope Smith knows the situation better than the internet does.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 19, 2021, 01:09:28 PM
I suspect given Swansea are top 2 they'll be option for them to buy him end of season for 4-5m.
Doesn't his contract expire in the summer?
Seems it's unclear but there's no way we'd be loaning him out if he was out of contract so I suspect he's OOC in 18 months and so we can get a few million back if he does well at Swansea.
Post by: LukeJames on January 19, 2021, 01:13:18 PM
I suspect given Swansea are top 2 they'll be option for them to buy him end of season for 4-5m.
Doesn't his contract expire in the summer?
Seems it's unclear but there's no way we'd be loaning him out if he was out of contract so I suspect he's OOC in 18 months and so we can get a few million back if he does well at Swansea.
Also know as 'The Mings'.
Post by: London Villan on January 19, 2021, 01:13:25 PM
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Post by: nick harper on January 19, 2021, 01:26:37 PM
I can only think of Solano who was as good at those free kicks around the area.
Post by: dave shelley on January 19, 2021, 01:27:44 PM
One of the best dead ball specialists I’ve seen at VP and scored some memorable and vital goals for us. The goal v Albion at the Holte End will live long in the memory.
I can only think of Solano who was as good at those free kicks around the area.
Bruce Rioch was a bit special at them.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on January 19, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
I for one wish him well and will now be making sure i check on Swansea's results.
I also think it is a good sign that someone is now almost guaranteed to come in - things do look great for us
Post by: TaxDodger on January 19, 2021, 02:00:18 PM
He's only 29 and not deteriorating as a player - it's us who is upgrading to better players, which is exciting.
Post by: Nev on January 19, 2021, 02:14:35 PM
Always nice to see a player depart with good wishes from the fans and he's definitely on the illustrious list of proud Irish Villains.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2021, 02:14:59 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2021, 02:19:31 PM
Excellent servant to the team and played a massive role for us. Best wishes Conor and hope to see you back at VP sometime for a proper send off.
This.
I'll be interested to see where Swansea play Conor. For me he was never a defensive midfielder, far better supporting the strikers. Unfortunately for him we're well stocked in that department.
Post by: Drummond on January 19, 2021, 02:19:50 PM
Played a big, big part in our resurgence and I'm grateful for what he's done for Villa.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2021, 02:22:41 PM
He has a second babby on the way too.
Have they thought of a name yet, eastie?!
Post by: Ad@m on January 19, 2021, 02:22:49 PM
Worked his socks off, had a left foot to die for, scored some absolute belters (in important games too) and just seemed to get the club.
I hope we see him back at VP next year with someone else.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 19, 2021, 02:23:02 PM
One of the best dead ball specialists I’ve seen at VP and scored some memorable and vital goals for us. The goal v Albion at the Holte End will live long in the memory.
I can only think of Solano who was as good at those free kicks around the area.
Though right footed Ashley Young direct free kicks and dead balls when accurate were as good as it gets to me
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
Genuinely one of my favourite Villa players.
Worked his socks off, had a left foot to die for, scored some absolute belters (in important games too) and just seemed to get the club.
I hope we see him back at VP next year with someone else.
Same for me.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 19, 2021, 02:25:26 PM
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 19, 2021, 02:39:37 PM
His contribution at the end of last season shouldn't be underestimated either.
Always nice to see a player depart with good wishes from the fans and he's definitely on the illustrious list of proud Irish Villains.
Spot on!
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 19, 2021, 02:42:06 PM
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 19, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Excellent professional. Great servant over the years and welcome back at Villa Park anytime. Thanks Conor and all the best at the Swans.This.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2021, 02:57:31 PM
Excellent servant to the team and played a massive role for us. Best wishes Conor and hope to see you back at VP sometime for a proper send off.
This.
I'll be interested to see where Swansea play Conor. For me he was never a defensive midfielder, far better supporting the strikers. Unfortunately for him we're well stocked in that department.
Always thought that position suited him more and could see him scoring quite a few playing that position in the Championship.
As pretty much everyone has said, he moves on with nothing but the best wishes for him. Seems like a top pro and a good bloke to boot, and has made some important contributions on the pitch during his time at the club.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 19, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
Post by: Dr Butler on January 19, 2021, 03:10:14 PM
two moments for me stick out, the pass for the opening goal vs Fat Fwanks Derby in the play off final and the goal vs the stripey filth in the play off semi final
all the very best to you Conor and UTV
The Doc
Post by: paul_e on January 19, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
He signed alongside Lansbury but the difference in attitude and performance between them was always clear but now 1 is going out on loan because he's desperate to play whilst the other was happy to not even be in the 25 man squad so long as he kept getting paid.
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2021, 03:30:18 PM
I said a few weeks back I expected him to move this window not because we didn't want him but because I just couldn't imagine him accepting sitting on the bench every week, he just wants to play. That attitude is why he's got back up to the top flight and it's why he'll do well wherever else he ends up in his career. Top bloke with the perfect attitude but just not quite enough in the tank to compete for a spot with players like Grealish, McGinn and Luiz.
He signed alongside Lansbury but the difference in attitude and performance between them was always clear but now 1 is going out on loan because he's desperate to play whilst the other was happy to not even be in the 25 man squad so long as he kept getting paid.
Yes, a fine comparison.
Also, he came back from getting booed off the pitch a few months before against the same opponents to hit that glorious thunderbastard in the play off semi final, that's a measure of the man.
He may have lacked a bit of pace, but he didn't lack heart. Good luck fella.
Post by: darren woolley on January 19, 2021, 03:33:51 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2021, 03:41:37 PM
I haven’t looked but I hope Conor gets to play Norwich again this season.
6th of Feb at home.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2021, 03:55:29 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2021, 04:00:10 PM
Swansea fans seem universally excited by the move, as well they should be.
He's a top signing for a club chasing promotion, no doubt. Pure end product.
Post by: LukeJames on January 19, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: DesBremner on January 19, 2021, 04:05:39 PM
He has a second babby on the way too.
Have they thought of a name yet, eastie?!
I think its landed
Not sure of the name but i think its Gaelic
Will ask my daughter as she works in the nursery they use
Post by: rougegorge on January 19, 2021, 04:07:43 PM
Swansea's chances of promotion just increased.
Post by: john2710 on January 19, 2021, 04:10:19 PM
Some wonderful assists & crucial goals, the best of which were against the Noses, Norwich & WBA.
A big thankyou Conor & best of luck.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2021, 04:15:28 PM
He has a second babby on the way too.
Have they thought of a name yet, eastie?!
I think its landed
Not sure of the name but i think its Gaelic
Will ask my daughter as she works in the nursery they use
Cheers. No need for Eastie.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 19, 2021, 04:16:25 PM
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Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2021, 04:31:37 PM
Cheers. No need for Eastie.Yes but eastie will not only know the name he will also know all the names they considered and discarded and how many times Conor and his partner have fallen out many times over the name choice.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 19, 2021, 04:32:41 PM
Still, he has provided some great moments and played a crucial role in getting us back to where we should always be. Hope he does well at Swansea.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 19, 2021, 04:35:00 PM
Think it is mad to let him go with how many games we are going to play.
Still, he has provided some great moments and played a crucial role in getting us back to where we should always be. Hope he does well at Swansea.
There must be one coming in you would think/hope.
Post by: paul_e on January 19, 2021, 04:59:02 PM
Think it is mad to let him go with how many games we are going to play.
Still, he has provided some great moments and played a crucial role in getting us back to where we should always be. Hope he does well at Swansea.
Depends really, if he's gone to free up the space to bring Sanson in (as seems to be the plan) then I think it's ok, Sanson seems a much better fit for the pace we want to play at.
Post by: DesBremner on January 19, 2021, 05:03:44 PM
Cheers. No need for Eastie.Yes but eastie will not only know the name he will also know all the names they considered and discarded and how many times Conor and his partner have fallen out many times over the name choice.
True
I can't even remember the name which turns out to be Ada
Post by: mamuu on January 19, 2021, 05:16:48 PM
I liked Conor. Great attitude, good professional , magic left foot. Did us proud, Good luck wherever he goes.
Helluva headlock on him too, as Klich found out. Good luck, Conor.
Post by: dave shelley on January 19, 2021, 05:55:13 PM
Cheers. No need for Eastie.Yes but eastie will not only know the name he will also know all the names they considered and discarded and how many times Conor and his partner have fallen out many times over the name choice.
True
I can't even remember the name which turns out to be Ada
Ada was my mother's nickname, where it came from I don't know. A niece of Mrs S had a little girl back in October and they named her...Ada. It seems to be a name that is having a renaissance.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 19, 2021, 06:15:35 PM
Post by: Mellin on January 19, 2021, 06:25:50 PM
Obviously vital in the promotion season, but also key in keeping us up. He was hugely important in the last four games and let's not forget 1-0 Norwich.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 19, 2021, 06:30:43 PM
Post by: exigo on January 19, 2021, 07:01:34 PM
That goal in the semi final will be with me for a while, what a strike, good luck Conor wherever you end up.
Me too. From L3, you could see it was in the moment it left his foot. By the time it hit the net, it felt like we had one foot back in the Prem.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 19, 2021, 07:36:04 PM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 19, 2021, 08:26:35 PM
Have I missed where this was confirmed?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11731/12192407/transfer-news-conor-hourihane-joins-swansea-on-loan-from-aston-villa-for-rest-of-the-season
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Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on January 22, 2021, 01:16:54 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2021, 01:51:09 AM
From Swansea City's website:
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Conor Hourihane hopes he can be part of something special at Swansea City having sealed his loan move from Aston Villa, subject to international clearance.
The 29-year-old will spend the rest of the 2020-21 season at the Liberty Stadium, and adds to Steve Cooper’s midfield options following the recalls of Morgan Gibbs-White and Kasey Palmer.
Hourihane is a proven top-level performer, and has played a key role in two promotions having helped Barnsley and Aston Villa go up via the play-offs.
He has made 150 appearances for the Villans, scoring 29 goals, including one at the Liberty in a 1-0 win on Boxing Day 2018.
And the Republic of Ireland international, known for his energy and threat from set-pieces, has made clear he wants to make a big impact with the Swans challenging near the top of the Championship table.
“I am delighted to be here. It is great to get it done early in the window, I am really excited and I want to get stuck into it,” said Hourihane.
“The gaffer has been great with me when we have spoken, he made it clear he wanted me here and I have heard so many good things about the style of play and what it’s like to live in the city.
“It just ticked all the boxes and it made the decision quite easy.
“I am desperate to play, I could have sat around at Villa for the rest of the season, but I want to play. I hope I can bring some experience as I have had a couple of promotions in my career.
“But I want to add quality too, in terms of goals and assists my numbers have been pretty good in seasons where I have played, so I hope I can bring that here.
“The lads have put themselves in a great position, it’s going to be a fantastic run-in and I hope I can help them along over the second half of the season and achieve what we all want to achieve.
“I am excited by the challenge, and I want to come down here and achieve.
“I wanted to get out there and have another challenge, I want to be part of something. I want to cement the side high up the table and try and provide a bit extra over the rest of the season.”
Hourihane also revealed how a former Swan, now on the books at Villa, had left him with only positive impressions of his former club, and left him in no doubt as to what was the right move for him despite interest from elsewhere.
“Yeah, Neil Taylor is a good friend of mine, we actually signed for Aston Villa during the same January window four years ago,” added Hourihane.
“We have been good friends ever since, we talk all the time and he has been telling me about Swansea City, and hearing good things from him helped me to come down.”
Post by: JD on January 22, 2021, 06:58:52 AM
Swansea have got themselves a fine player.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 22, 2021, 08:35:51 PM
"It was tough leaving Villa to be honest with you," he explained.
"It’s a fantastic football club and I’ve had four fantastic years there. I signed there four years ago this January. It was a difficult decision but it came down to game-time and I feel good.
"It’s been disappointing, there is no doubt about that. I’ve worked ever so hard to get to that level.
"My first year, last year, I played a lot of the games and was heavily involved which was great. For whatever reason the club has gone in another direction and moved away from myself. That’s life and that’s football.
"They’ve brought in a lot of quality and spent a lot of money. I’m 30 next month and your career passes by very, very quickly. When there was an opportunity for me to go out on loan I snapped it up."
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Post by: SamTheMouse on January 23, 2021, 09:52:49 AM
Best of luck to him.
Post by: Rory on January 23, 2021, 10:27:58 AM
Great attitude and has been an important player.
100%. Good luck Conor.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2021, 04:32:21 PM
https://twitter.com/alexj_roberts/status/1355540722099879938?s=21
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Post by: SoccerHQ on January 30, 2021, 05:26:39 PM
He's certainly worth that at championship level and also has 18 months of premier league experience under his belt.
One thing we're not really good at compared to many other clubs around us is moving on squad players for 5-10m (different age for player but look what West Ham sold Diangana for) so would help a bit with FFP I suspect.
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 30, 2021, 06:26:22 PM
Deflection, doesn't count.(C) Graeme Souness
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2021, 09:28:21 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 05, 2021, 09:31:34 PM
He enjoys playing Norwich.
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Post by: Ad@m on February 05, 2021, 09:59:17 PM
I love him. He's a really good player, and seemingly an excellent professional.
Me too. One of my favourite ever Villa players.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 05, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
Just been told that Conor has scored the same amount of goals for Swansea as Blues’ leading scorer this season. Brilliant if true.
Bela and Hogan have 3 apiece.
Post by: colin69 on February 05, 2021, 10:27:05 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2021, 10:42:04 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 05, 2021, 10:57:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2021, 10:57:46 PM
Post by: Dave P on February 06, 2021, 08:29:56 AM
I love him. He's a really good player, and seemingly an excellent professional.
Me too. One of my favourite ever Villa players.
A rare good permanent signing in our Championship years and a true symbol of where we are now. Chuffed for him.
Post by: algy on February 06, 2021, 09:06:21 AM
Seemed a bit of a shame that he was in such a generally likeable team because he'd have been my favourite Villa player more seasons than not. He's way too good for the Championship.I love him. He's a really good player, and seemingly an excellent professional.
Me too. One of my favourite ever Villa players.
A rare good permanent signing in our Championship years and a true symbol of where we are now. Chuffed for him.
Post by: maidstonevillain on February 06, 2021, 11:00:22 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 06, 2021, 11:25:57 AM
Post by: Mellin on February 06, 2021, 12:21:35 PM
Just an observation, but don't think I've seen a Villa player get that much time all season. Against top of the league too. Shows the levels.
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2021, 03:20:05 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2021, 06:18:51 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on February 11, 2021, 09:08:37 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 11, 2021, 09:32:35 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on February 11, 2021, 09:43:00 PM
Sounds like he doesn't expect to come back as the deal means he gets gabe time and the club get a player's value to increase.
Said once Ross came in, his game time was going to be limited as the club paid a lot of money for him (!)
Talked about it being a privilege to play with Jack and to be able to call him a good friend (football friend)
Doing his coaching badges with the FAI currently.
Prefers playing higher up the pitch with Swansea and was told before signing that they saw him as a no. 8.
Post by: eamonn on February 11, 2021, 10:08:19 PM
Post by: Ad@m on February 11, 2021, 10:10:15 PM
If we'd have had more Conor Hourihanes in the first half of the 2010s we'd have never been relegated in the first place.
Post by: Ad@m on February 20, 2021, 03:53:33 PM
Let's face it, the Championship's too easy for him!!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2021, 03:54:52 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on February 20, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 20, 2021, 03:59:49 PM
From an Ireland POV, I'm delighted he's playing well and scoring. From a Villa POV, he's 30 now and if he's not getting minutes, there's no harm in leaving him go and he's adding to his value all the time. To be fair, he's been brilliant for us and he's still contributing.
How does he do for Ireland?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on February 20, 2021, 04:45:36 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 20, 2021, 09:39:40 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 20, 2021, 10:41:22 PM
Post by: KevinGage on February 20, 2021, 11:08:25 PM
Love him!
If we'd have had more Conor Hourihanes in the first half of the 2010s we'd have never been relegated in the first place.
Indeed. One of the good guys.
Post by: AV82EC on February 21, 2021, 09:02:05 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 22, 2021, 01:42:47 AM
Post by: sid1964 on February 22, 2021, 07:09:06 AM
If we want to go down the route of would not survived last season without him you could say the same about the goals that Wesley scored for us?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 22, 2021, 07:13:15 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 22, 2021, 07:29:21 AM
I'm expecting Wesley to come back as good as Harry Kane and Hourihane will be the new Iniesta.
Can't wait.
Post by: Ad@m on February 22, 2021, 10:11:19 AM
He's too good for the Championship but not good enough for where we're trying to get to. But at the moment, with Barkley playing the way he is, Hourihane would be another good option from the bench.
This is what people were saying before he left for Swansea isn't it?
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 22, 2021, 10:21:58 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 22, 2021, 10:40:33 AM
You could, and you'd be correct.
Only if you think the players used instead of Conor and Moraes would have been worse. Marvellous and Keinan....yeah, we'd have been fcuked alright.
Post by: LukeJames on February 22, 2021, 10:50:59 AM
Hologram wouldn't be any use as a Barkley replacement. I must learn to spell his name though.
I agree.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 22, 2021, 10:53:28 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 22, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
Hologram wouldn't be any use as a Barkley replacement. Neither are good enough. Ramsay and or sanson are the viable candidates for a first team slot. Even chumbueke looks like a cracking prospect with the physicality to cope right now.. I must learn to spell his name though.
Sometimes I wonder why I left Telford so soon.
Post by: OCD on February 22, 2021, 11:33:38 AM
Hologram wouldn't be any use as a Barkley replacement. Neither are good enough. Ramsay and or sanson are the viable candidates for a first team slot. Even chumbueke looks like a cracking prospect with the physicality to cope right now.. I must learn to spell his name though.
Maybe learn how to spell Hourihane right before attempting to spell Chukwuemeka.
Post by: eamonn on February 22, 2021, 02:52:29 PM
Post by: danno on February 22, 2021, 03:15:36 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 22, 2021, 11:54:55 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2021, 01:39:56 AM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on February 23, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
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Post by: DrGonzo on February 23, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 23, 2021, 10:38:16 AM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on February 23, 2021, 11:37:47 AM
Contracted to 2022 apparently.
OK, thanks.
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2021, 02:07:31 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
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Post by: eamonn on February 24, 2021, 12:09:53 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 24, 2021, 08:25:11 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2021, 02:34:40 PM
Another Conor assist.
He's just an 'end-product' machine
Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2021, 03:11:13 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 25, 2021, 03:28:23 PM
Another Conor assist.
He's just an 'end-product' machine
Or put another way, he's not a defensive midfielder.
Post by: AV82EC on February 25, 2021, 03:33:33 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2021, 04:12:31 PM
Isn't he in the last year of his deal, so would go for free?
We would've sold him in January if that was the situation.
We need to get better at cashing in on squad players as we're rising. I'm not suddenly expecting us to become experts at it like Chelsea who loan endless players out for 5 years who never play for them and still get 10-15m or Liverpool who have received 20m + off likes of Bournemouth and Sheffield United in recent years for Solanke and Brewster but it would be good to raise an o.k amount from player sales each summer rather than just rely on the owners all the time.
That strategy hit the skids pretty badly in summer 2010 once Lerner decided he was done pumping in 50m each summer to sign a new defence so we need to start self-sustaining a little bit.
Hourihane certainly in 5m range at least and El Ghazi's purple patch of form over xmas means his value should be around what we paid for him given he's still mid 20s. Add in Nakamba aswell who's done o.k when he's started and those are three players who will never be regulars when we're top 6 again but you could sell them and raise around 20m I reckon and that could go towards a decent striker or wide player.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
A while back, I think during the summer before our 2nd year in the championship, there being a post about which of our players would be wanted by premier league teams and the majority consensus was pretty much non of them. At the time I posted something along the lines of a relegation battling team team would take a player like him because he will score and create chances even if is all round game isn't good enough. I've never changed from that opinion, he's a great squad player for a team like we were last season where he can come in a change a game a few times a season. In the championship if you play to his strengths I think he is easily good enough to get 10-15 goals and assists a season and that is enough to make the difference. He's the opposite of players like Adama who look like they should be hugely threatening but just don't turn that into goals or assists enough.
Yeah I was really surprised someone like Burnley didn't come in for him in January as he fits the Dyche model of being home grown, around the premier league for a while (as Westwood and Lowton had been when Burnley signed them off us) and given how they play another player good on set pieces would be good option for them.
Suppose the odd prem club will come in for him in the summer so if Swansea go up and they have no agreement to sign him permanetly that will create a nice bidding war.
Cardiff on a great run atm so can certainly see Mick McCarthy wanting him if they come up.
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2021, 04:35:16 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2021, 04:37:37 PM
A while back, I think during the summer before our 2nd year in the championship, there being a post about which of our players would be wanted by premier league teams and the majority consensus was pretty much non of them. At the time I posted something along the lines of a relegation battling team team would take a player like him because he will score and create chances even if is all round game isn't good enough. I've never changed from that opinion, he's a great squad player for a team like we were last season where he can come in a change a game a few times a season. In the championship if you play to his strengths I think he is easily good enough to get 10-15 goals and assists a season and that is enough to make the difference. He's the opposite of players like Adama who look like they should be hugely threatening but just don't turn that into goals or assists enough.
Totally agree with this Paul, and I was surprised Smethwick didn't come in for him for those reasons outlined, although in fairness Snodgrass gives you that too.
Post by: algy on February 26, 2021, 10:15:39 AM
Hourihane certainly in 5m range at least and El Ghazi's purple patch of form over xmas means his value should be around what we paid for him given he's still mid 20s. Add in Nakamba aswell who's done o.k when he's started and those are three players who will never be regulars when we're top 6 again but you could sell them and raise around 20m I reckon and that could go towards a decent striker or wide player.I think Swansea, if they get promoted, would be a good move for our Conor. As others have said, I'd expect him to be in or around the Premier League for a few seasons yet. He's far too good for the Championship. If we can move him on for about £5m, we'd have made a tidy profit on a squad player, and he's not really being priced out of a move - it's peanuts by Premier League standards.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 07, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 07, 2021, 06:45:13 PM
Post by: Des Little on March 13, 2021, 02:44:32 PM
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 13, 2021, 02:52:15 PM
Serious question obviously Conor was the deadball specialist, when was the last time we scored from a corner kick assist or from a free-kick assist or even direct from a free-kick?
I know we have Jack, Barkley, Traore and El Ghazi who have tried to take over this mantle, but my memory is struggling to think how successful they've been unless I'm missing something.
Free-kicks and corners are an essential part of the game from which advantages can be gained. This needs addressing in the summer transfer window if as suspected Conor moves on permanently.
Post by: OCD on March 13, 2021, 04:53:01 PM
Post by: London Villan on March 13, 2021, 05:17:20 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2021, 08:17:44 PM
You can’t just bring a player on take free kicks and corners. He became a decent option once in a while when we rotated but at the time we just had better starting options. It’s the same as Guilbert. Just Sod’s law that Cash got injured but if he hadn’t he’d have been third choice for that position. I’m delighted both of them are doing really well and in the case of Guilbert I hope he comes back to legitimately challenge Cash next season.
There's no way that Guilbert should have been behind Elmo in the pecking order.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 13, 2021, 08:22:56 PM
You can’t just bring a player on take free kicks and corners.
We bring Barkley on to do a lot less.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2021, 08:26:09 PM
You can’t just bring a player on take free kicks and corners. He became a decent option once in a while when we rotated but at the time we just had better starting options. It’s the same as Guilbert. Just Sod’s law that Cash got injured but if he hadn’t he’d have been third choice for that position. I’m delighted both of them are doing really well and in the case of Guilbert I hope he comes back to legitimately challenge Cash next season.
There's no way that Guilbert should have been behind Elmo in the pecking order.
I don’t think he is or was as a pure RB. My guess is that Elmo is just more versatile to play other positions as to why he made the bench over Freddie.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
You can’t just bring a player on take free kicks and corners.
We bring Barkley on to do a lot less.
We bring on Barkley to do a lot more overall. That he doesn’t isn’t the point.
Post by: mr underhill on March 14, 2021, 11:05:02 AM
Post by: OCD on March 14, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 14, 2021, 12:23:56 PM
Sometimes a player really clicks at a club and it’s gutting when they’re are on loan and do not return. We’ve had it with Snodgrass and Tammy over the last few years.
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 14, 2021, 12:26:49 PM
Loaning him out was the correct decision especially as we are now likely to receive double what we paid after 4 years usage.
He’s not mobile enough for the EPL and madness to suggest he could be utilised as a set piece taker primarily.
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2021, 03:16:15 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 14, 2021, 03:19:34 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 14, 2021, 04:58:02 PM
Post by: London Villan on March 14, 2021, 05:02:05 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2021, 06:54:50 PM
This isn’t American football where you have special teams players. Because if that was the case he’d be worth having around just for free kicks and crosses.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 14, 2021, 11:45:28 PM
What we get for him is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. In hindsight he could have been useful during this sticky patch.
6-7m is peanuts in football but it's not like we regularly make that from squad players. Usually they play so little and are on such big money we either have to wait for their contract to run out like Neil Taylor or give them away for practically nothing like Lansbury and Hogan.
As brilliant as our owners are I'm a little uncomfortable with the demand they keep pumping in 70-80m every summer as that was the approach Lerner eventually got bored of after 3 summers of doing it for MON.
I'd like us to start slowly to become more self-sufficent and make 30-40m a summer from moving on unwanted squad players. You see Liverpool selling likes of Brewster and Solanke for over 40m combined and while we're a long way off from doing it it's a good way of balancing the books and making minimal impact on FFP.
Apparently we get 5m for Samatta on 1st July, Conor will be 5m and least and letting go of one of Trez/AEG,Engels, Gulibert and perhaps even Nakamba should raise about 30m and decent chunk of wages off and still leave us o.k in most areas. Whatever we're paying for Barkley will also be no burden and that saved should go towards new contracts for Konsa and Martinez.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 15, 2021, 06:30:01 AM
This is the same player many referred to as Hologram. Which was incredibly unfair. But even his most ardent supporters could see he’s not what we needed as a full time midfielder given where we were at Christmas. That’s why it made sense to give him a chance to play elsewhere. That, and don’t forget he’s a stand out player in the Championship. Most of our current players would be.
This isn’t American football where you have special teams players. Because if that was the case he’d be worth having around just for free kicks and crosses.
Only the juvenile called him "hologram".
You seem to be the only one mentioning the nonsensical US idea of him only being brought on for free kicks and crosses missing the point of my original post, which was who do we have now who takes a decent corner/free kick? Clearly nobody including Jack so this is something we're going to have to address in the next window.
Post by: sid1964 on March 15, 2021, 07:52:53 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 15, 2021, 08:20:58 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2021, 09:15:39 AM
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2021, 09:22:10 AM
A good Championship player - I doubt that he would get into the Norwich team
They should buy him just to stop him scoring against them.
Post by: algy on March 15, 2021, 09:58:45 AM
I agree 100%. We need to start selling our squad players on at a profit. It's essential for FFP, and Conor seems a player who's almost certainly worth more now than we paid for him. He's proven himself as a Premier League standard player now - you can see that because I think most people here would accept that he can offer something at this level, even if that comes with some caveats. We've done something incredible and bought a player, increased his value, then be in a position to sell him to someone else without particularly weakening our side. I'm surprised nobody's got a nosebleed ...What we get for him is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. In hindsight he could have been useful during this sticky patch.
6-7m is peanuts in football but it's not like we regularly make that from squad players. Usually they play so little and are on such big money we either have to wait for their contract to run out like Neil Taylor or give them away for practically nothing like Lansbury and Hogan.
As brilliant as our owners are I'm a little uncomfortable with the demand they keep pumping in 70-80m every summer as that was the approach Lerner eventually got bored of after 3 summers of doing it for MON.
I'd like us to start slowly to become more self-sufficent and make 30-40m a summer from moving on unwanted squad players. You see Liverpool selling likes of Brewster and Solanke for over 40m combined and while we're a long way off from doing it it's a good way of balancing the books and making minimal impact on FFP.
Apparently we get 5m for Samatta on 1st July, Conor will be 5m and least and letting go of one of Trez/AEG,Engels, Gulibert and perhaps even Nakamba should raise about 30m and decent chunk of wages off and still leave us o.k in most areas. Whatever we're paying for Barkley will also be no burden and that saved should go towards new contracts for Konsa and Martinez.
For me, this summer will be the first one in ages where we're able to sell players who still offer us something, it's just that we're genuinely in a position to upgrade. In the past, it's been "replacing" players like Lansbury, who offered so little that it wasn't so much upgrading as just removing deadwood. It's quite exciting, and really credit has to go to Dean Smith and everyone for finally getting us in to a position where we can talk about moving players like Conor, Marv, or Trez on (all of whom are decent PL players).
Post by: sid1964 on March 15, 2021, 11:29:21 AM
Post by: Ad@m on March 15, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
He lacks the pace and first touch to hold his own at this level, if he had one of either he'd probably be alright.
He's got more than Ashley Westwood in both departments and Westwood's just made his 250th Premier League appearance!
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2021, 11:40:29 AM
He lacks the pace and first touch to hold his own at this level, if he had one of either he'd probably be alright.
He's got more than Ashley Westwood in both departments and Westwood's just made his 250th Premier League appearance!
Conor could play for Burnley no worries, they bypass the midfield anyway.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 15, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 15, 2021, 11:50:04 AM
He lacks the pace and first touch to hold his own at this level, if he had one of either he'd probably be alright.
That's Barkley for you. What about Connor? I miss his free kicks, we've been poor at those since he left.
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2021, 11:54:10 AM
I disagree with LeeB. Conor is a good player.
Oh I agree, he is. My point was, in a team looking to play like we do and aiming at Europe, his weaknesses get exposed a bit too much. He's too easy to go past, has zero acceleration, and he struggles to take the ball on the turn, but facing goal with the ball in the final third, I'd want him on it above anyone else in the squad.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2021, 11:54:16 AM
This is the same player many referred to as Hologram. Which was incredibly unfair. But even his most ardent supporters could see he’s not what we needed as a full time midfielder given where we were at Christmas. That’s why it made sense to give him a chance to play elsewhere. That, and don’t forget he’s a stand out player in the Championship. Most of our current players would be.
This isn’t American football where you have special teams players. Because if that was the case he’d be worth having around just for free kicks and crosses.
Only the juvenile called him "hologram".
You seem to be the only one mentioning the nonsensical US idea of him only being brought on for free kicks and crosses missing the point of my original post, which was who do we have now who takes a decent corner/free kick? Clearly nobody including Jack so this is something we're going to have to address in the next window.
He has been criticized by lots of people over the time he has been with us, not just in the PL but in the Championship because he is often not a dominant midfielder and can have less than effective games. And if you have completely missed the point if you think I am advocating for him to be used as in the NFL. My point being you cannot use for what he is best at because you don’t know when it’s going to happen in games. So unless you play him from the start or for large periods during games then you need to accept what he is. That is a good PL squad player who will be found out at the top level.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 15, 2021, 12:09:52 PM
The nfl reference is pointless, so I'm not going there again.
My original point still remains about the current lack of a productive option for free kicks/corner kicks now he's at Swansea that needs addressing.
Enjoy the rest of your day. Btw love Toronto the City!
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
He will be gone in the summer if another Championship club wants him (but it will probably be another seasons loan and then a free transfer.)
I'd be surprised if he is willing to sign a one year deal anywhere. He's at the age where he can help to secure his young family's future with one last big contract.
We'll get a decent fee and he'll get a nice sign-on and contract wherever he goes.
Post by: malckennedy on March 15, 2021, 12:11:40 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 15, 2021, 12:25:04 PM
He will be gone in the summer if another Championship club wants him (but it will probably be another seasons loan and then a free transfer.)
Swansea will sign him if they come up. It's as obvious as us getting in Mings full time even though nothing was agreed in the actual loan.
Experienced, fitted in with style of play and played in premier league for a couple of years which most of their team haven't. We'd know how desperate they would be to get him aswell so can just keep rejecting offers until they come up with decent bid.
A year's loan makes no sense whatsoever. We have a player who's worth 5-6m currently and we loan him out again to lose him on a free?! Is that you Tom Fox (wink).
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 15, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
Although he certainly scored spectacularly from free kicks sometimes, I actually thought that his dead ball delivery from corners and free kicks was very often disappointing. So even that aspect of his game was not of the standard we are beginning to aspire to.
It was better than any current player's attempts.
I think I can remember one of Traore's free kicks being converted in maybe his 1st or 2nd game other than that nothing from Barkley, El Ghazi, Bert or even Jack.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 15, 2021, 01:04:57 PM
I disagree with LeeB. Conor is a good player.
Oh I agree, he is. My point was, in a team looking to play like we do and aiming at Europe, his weaknesses get exposed a bit too much. He's too easy to go past, has zero acceleration, and he struggles to take the ball on the turn, but facing goal with the ball in the final third, I'd want him on it above anyone else in the squad.
Which makes him better than Ramsey and McGinn.
Post by: London Villan on March 15, 2021, 01:48:10 PM
However - I think he'd have added more to our game as a limited number 10 - much more than Barkley has (with the exception of his first 4 games).
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2021, 02:51:47 PM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on March 16, 2021, 11:49:58 AM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 16, 2021, 12:03:48 PM
JM further forward destroys CH.
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 24, 2021, 09:28:08 PM
Post by: OCD on March 24, 2021, 09:31:10 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 24, 2021, 09:31:40 PM
Is there a reason why Conor isn't in the Ireland squad tonight?
Injured v Cardiff I believe.
Post by: in exile on March 29, 2021, 10:26:02 AM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 29, 2021, 10:47:02 AM
Post by: in exile on March 29, 2021, 11:12:40 AM
Hopefully he’s back Friday to nail SHA to a cross.He'd enjoy that!
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
I guess if they go up he be interested in a permanent move
All in all he may have actually been useful to us with all the injuries and he probably had last laugh with Dean who decided to go with Barkley instead of Connor.
To quote Conor when he moved on loan
"Villa is a fantastic club, I've been there for four years now. It's such a fantastic club, a great setup, huge football club.
But they are moving on as well and going to a level that, the club may feel like is past my level. That's their opinion so we'll just see what happens come the summer."
Good luck whatever happens
I'm not averse to having him as part of squad next season. Though I guess he wants to be playing regularly where as he's a squad and a player who can come in for games or replacement and come on. We know what we get with him likeable and a thoroughly decent professional
Post by: Ad@m on May 18, 2021, 05:09:09 PM
Thanks for everything Conor, especially helping to get us out of the Championship, and best of luck getting Swansea promoted.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2021, 05:12:25 PM
He's one of my favourite Villa players but he's not good enough for a top 10 Prem team which is where we want to be.
Thanks for everything Conor, especially helping to get us out of the Championship, and best of luck getting Swansea promoted.
Agree entirely about Conor, but it would be nice to see a new team in the PL. I've seen enough of Swansea and Bournemouth
Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2021, 06:38:48 PM
If you'd have told him a year ago that Barnsley would be in the play-offs and he'd be playing against them at Oakwell, well... he would have told you to lay-off the Beamish.
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 18, 2021, 06:58:02 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
Still love Conor but I think there are a few rumbles from Swansea fans about him. He seems to have tailed off significantly after a stupendous start. There's not better proof of their discontent that the fact he had the lowest rating of any starting player on the BBC 'rate the players' thingy last night.
I had a look on the Swansea forum when he signed, and they came across as a right bunch of morons, so fuck their opinion.
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2021, 02:10:20 AM
Since he's gone to Swansea, Barkley has tailed-off and is now gone; Sanson has come and cameo'd before getting crocked; Luiz has flattered to deceive; Nakamba has been mostly on the periphery yet played a key role in two season-ending wins over scab-six sides; Ramsey has got more game time under his belt; Meatball continues to be Deano's fave of the lot and now Chuck W is the next contender.
That's a hell of a lot of competition. Whatever Dean said at the time about looking forward to having Conor back in the summer, I can't see a future for him here despite the year left on his contract. Is his goose cooked?
Post by: LukeJames on May 30, 2021, 02:48:50 AM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2021, 07:10:30 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2021, 07:22:30 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on May 30, 2021, 07:47:57 AM
He’ll end up at WBA
Poor chap.
Post by: sid1964 on May 30, 2021, 07:48:59 AM
Watched a bit of that game yesterday he was poor, did not even sprint back to help there defence for the 2nd goal, it was the Connor jog and a shrug of the shoulders
If he does not get a loan or a move this summer at least next season he will have every weekend off - enjoy your last season on good money from next July he will struggle to get a championship team interested in him
Post by: Ad@m on May 30, 2021, 07:53:43 AM
I think he will end up in the Championship at a side that is aspiring to come up. And in a full season he will have great stats at that level. Some screaming goals and a number of assists. He’s just no longer an effective PL level player.
I think he is. Not at the level we aim to be at, but he'd be fine at the likes of Burnley.
Post by: algy on May 30, 2021, 08:08:49 AM
Yeah, I'm of a similar opinion. I think he's actually a pretty decent Premier League player, the main issue is that he doesn't really suit our style under Dean Smith.I think he will end up in the Championship at a side that is aspiring to come up. And in a full season he will have great stats at that level. Some screaming goals and a number of assists. He’s just no longer an effective PL level player.
I think he is. Not at the level we aim to be at, but he'd be fine at the likes of Burnley.
I'd be inclined to say that in the right set up, he'd do really well. We play a really high intensity, attacking game, whereas I think Conor would probably suit a more defensive side. Thinking sides like England whose game plan revolves around set pieces.
He's a bit of a one trick pony - but his trick is scoring goals, and he's extremely good at it.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2021, 08:14:38 AM
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 30, 2021, 08:31:44 AM
This from a Swansea fan doesn't reflect the Conor we know:
I'llot mince words here -a Ive had a few drinks.Houlihane is the biggest coward ,biggest disgrace to our fine club we have ever had. An appalling professional and one we should have simply accepted was a mistake.
Lacking in energy,committmen t,courage and skill ,he was a stain on our shirt.And he started today folks. He started.
Post by: Allan C on May 30, 2021, 08:47:08 AM
I’ve always liked Connor but I’d be shocked if he ended up at a PL club. His limitations were there to see in our first season back but he would fit right in at a club looking to stabilise in the championship such as Albion or Sheff Utd. I can’t see him playing any part at Villa nor should heYeah, I'm of a similar opinion. I think he's actually a pretty decent Premier League player, the main issue is that he doesn't really suit our style under Dean Smith.I think he will end up in the Championship at a side that is aspiring to come up. And in a full season he will have great stats at that level. Some screaming goals and a number of assists. He’s just no longer an effective PL level player.
I think he is. Not at the level we aim to be at, but he'd be fine at the likes of Burnley.
I'd be inclined to say that in the right set up, he'd do really well. We play a really high intensity, attacking game, whereas I think Conor would probably suit a more defensive side. Thinking sides like England whose game plan revolves around set pieces.
He's a bit of a one trick pony - but his trick is scoring goals, and he's extremely good at it.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 30, 2021, 09:12:37 AM
Like Elmo I have a lot of respect for him, came in when we were a basket case, got the club and played a big part in were we are now. For me I will always have a big fondness for him but its time to move on now and at 28/29 he still has an awful lot to offer to the right club.Very true. However, unfortunately for him, he'll have turned 34 by the time the clocks go back.
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 30, 2021, 09:50:15 AM
He's 30 according to Wicki.Like Elmo I have a lot of respect for him, came in when we were a basket case, got the club and played a big part in were we are now. For me I will always have a big fondness for him but its time to move on now and at 28/29 he still has an awful lot to offer to the right club.Very true. However, unfortunately for him, he'll have turned 34 by the time the clocks go back.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2021, 10:00:05 AM
The opinion of Swansea fans is overwhelmingly negative from any glance at their forums. He's a lot more loved at Villa but he's not going to play and it will be interesting to see where he ends up.
This from a Swansea fan doesn't reflect the Conor we know:
I'llot mince words here -a Ive had a few drinks.Houlihane is the biggest coward ,biggest disgrace to our fine club we have ever had. An appalling professional and one we should have simply accepted was a mistake.
Lacking in energy,committmen t,courage and skill ,he was a stain on our shirt.And he started today folks. He started.
heh. They must have very high standards at Swansea if Hourihane is the worst player they've ever had. Some post play-off loss hysteria methinks
Post by: pooligan on May 30, 2021, 10:39:19 AM
Post by: Stu on May 30, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Too many leek ales.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 30, 2021, 11:03:42 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 30, 2021, 11:15:21 AM
He's 30 according to Wicki.Like Elmo I have a lot of respect for him, came in when we were a basket case, got the club and played a big part in were we are now. For me I will always have a big fondness for him but its time to move on now and at 28/29 he still has an awful lot to offer to the right club.Very true. However, unfortunately for him, he'll have turned 34 by the time the clocks go back.
Sorry, my apologies. I was on about Elmo! I had my second vaccine shot yesterday, I'll blame that.
Post by: Allan C on May 30, 2021, 11:29:55 AM
He’s an easy target much as Barkley was for us. He’s not their player and they know it’s coming to an end.The opinion of Swansea fans is overwhelmingly negative from any glance at their forums. He's a lot more loved at Villa but he's not going to play and it will be interesting to see where he ends up.
This from a Swansea fan doesn't reflect the Conor we know:
I'llot mince words here -a Ive had a few drinks.Houlihane is the biggest coward ,biggest disgrace to our fine club we have ever had. An appalling professional and one we should have simply accepted was a mistake.
Lacking in energy,committmen t,courage and skill ,he was a stain on our shirt.And he started today folks. He started.
heh. They must have very high standards at Swansea if Hourihane is the worst player they've ever had. Some post play-off loss hysteria methinks
Post by: in exile on May 30, 2021, 01:59:10 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2021, 02:30:58 PM
I think he will end up in the Championship at a side that is aspiring to come up. And in a full season he will have great stats at that level. Some screaming goals and a number of assists. He’s just no longer an effective PL level player.
I think he is. Not at the level we aim to be at, but he'd be fine at the likes of Burnley.
Oh you can be a PL player and not be particularly effective. So my statement wouldn’t preclude him from playing at PL level. See Westwood, A specific to Burnley.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2021, 02:33:49 PM
Hourihane a 'coward'?
Too many leek ales.
And Swansea fans who think he’s a coward are absolute fucking bell ends. If there’s one thing Conor Hourihane isn’t it’s a coward. When playing he’ll mix it with anyone and one of the first to defend his teammates. I’m happy Swansea didn’t make it back.
Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2021, 03:15:33 PM
Overall, despite a reasonable start, he has been pretty underwhelming for Swansea.He was certainly pretty poor yesterday.
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2021, 10:14:44 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2021, 10:24:32 PM
In fairness that comment from the Swansea fan rings true in places. The "Hologram" nickname is cruel but the truth is without the ball he is useless and with it his main strengths are set-pieces and late runs from midfield with a decent left foot shot. Just not enough for us, unless he's happy to be a sub and come on for the last 10 minutes when we're chasing a goal. In which case he'll be our Keinan Davis in midfield.
I can think of worse options, i.e.most of our other subs.
Post by: Drummond on May 31, 2021, 07:13:20 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 31, 2021, 07:35:44 AM
...his main strengths are set-pieces and late runs from midfield with a decent left foot shot. Just not enough for us, unless he's happy to be a sub and come on for the last 10 minutes when we're chasing a goal...
I can think of worse options, i.e.most of our other subs.
Nothing wrong with a goalscoring midfielder from the bench. After all without his goal in the play-off semi final 1st leg vs the bitters (as a sub) where would Villa be now as a club?
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 31, 2021, 09:27:02 AM
Their reactions are similar to the ones on here and any other football forum. Disappointment and frustration causes OTT rants and misdirected anger.
Granted, there's a bit of that here but the criticism has been going on for a while by the look of it and they don't tend to pick on the better performing players. Shame really, I think we all assumed Conor would be perfect for them but after a brilliant start, he tailed off quickly. The 'coward' comments are hyperbolic nonsense but as Eamonn said, it's probably the equivalent of the wazzocks who call him 'Hologram' on here.
https://the72.co.uk/237438/were-always-a-man-down-with-hordes-of-swansea-city-fans-rip-into-one-player-after-brentford-defeat/
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/forum/272648/the-reason-why-hourihane-won%E2%80%99t-be-coming-back/#28
It doesn't look like he'll be joining Swansea permanently so it'll be interesting to see where he ends up. He's still only 30 so a few years away from a sentimental return to Barnsley or something on lower wages. There's probably only a handful of clubs in the Championship that can afford him. He might end up sticking around by default.
Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2021, 09:56:28 AM
Don't think Hourihane will have much of an issue picking up a decent championship side this summer. Needs a specific role though as he can be a passenger at times without the ball.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 31, 2021, 09:57:39 AM
Brentford were the better team. If I was a swans fan I'd be slating the manager who appeared inept to me. His tactics were all wrong and keeping the player who was red carded on the pitch for as long as he did was plain daft. Everybody could see he was looking to be sent off. Grimes getting booked early on (no doubt following the manager's instructions) nullified them also. The blame for their poor performance lies closer to home, but I wouldn't expect their delusional support to see that.
Post by: Allan C on May 31, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
I saw the play-off final and their best chance fell to Ayew who fluffed his lines from a few yards out following a Conor cross.I agree with this. I’m working in Senegal at the moment and I’m currently watching the game for the third time. Conor, while not playing well, isn’t the worst on the field. Swansea were poor from the start although the sending off was a weird one. I have to say I don’t like Brentford either though.
Brentford were the better team. If I was a swans fan I'd be slating the manager who appeared inept to me. His tactics were all wrong and keeping the player who was red carded on the pitch for as long as he did was plain daft. Everybody could see he was looking to be sent off. Grimes getting booked early on (no doubt following the manager's instructions) nullified them also. The blame for their poor performance lies closer to home, but I wouldn't expect their delusional support to see that.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2021, 11:58:06 AM
I saw the play-off final and their best chance fell to Ayew who fluffed his lines from a few yards out following a Conor cross.I agree with this. I’m working in Senegal at the moment and I’m currently watching the game for the third time. Conor, while not playing well, isn’t the worst on the field. Swansea were poor from the start although the sending off was a weird one. I have to say I don’t like Brentford either though.
Brentford were the better team. If I was a swans fan I'd be slating the manager who appeared inept to me. His tactics were all wrong and keeping the player who was red carded on the pitch for as long as he did was plain daft. Everybody could see he was looking to be sent off. Grimes getting booked early on (no doubt following the manager's instructions) nullified them also. The blame for their poor performance lies closer to home, but I wouldn't expect their delusional support to see that.
Every team must have a scapegoat. It's the law.
Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2021, 03:43:41 PM
I did smile at this tweet from one of their fans though:
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You’ve heard of August 2019 Borja Baston, now we have January 2021 Conor Hourihane
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2021, 04:41:10 PM
Post by: Allan C on May 31, 2021, 04:47:45 PM
Watching a Swansea game for the third time in Senegal will take some beating.I spend a lot of time here and as you can imagine they are football crazy. The champions league final was live (as was our FA Youth Cup Final) and it’s currently on about 3 times a day. I watched the Championship playoff match live and didn’t think Conor was the worst by any means. He’s not their player and an easy target
I did smile at this tweet from one of their fans though:QuoteYou’ve heard of August 2019 Borja Baston, now we have January 2021 Conor Hourihane
Post by: Dave P on June 01, 2021, 06:24:02 AM
Post by: sid1964 on June 01, 2021, 07:28:58 AM
Hopefully he will find a team in the championship that wants him for next season
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2021, 07:15:24 AM
Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2021, 10:53:14 AM
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2021, 12:33:24 PM
Post by: dave shelley on June 10, 2021, 12:41:35 PM
Post by: brontebilly on June 10, 2021, 12:59:25 PM
Started for Ireland the other night but you lose the will to live watching them so I didn't bother. Got subbed on the hour mark which mirrored his latter record at Swansea. Suggests that he's starting because of his name/reputation but not imposing himself on games and being taken-off at more or less the earliest opportunity....kind of like a lower-rent Barkley.
I suffered through it, Eamonn. Or most of it anyway.
Game passed Hourihane by like most of his international appearances. The odd tidy set piece aside. His limitations are exposed more for Ireland I think as our midfield (all the way back to Roy Keane to be honest) struggle to get turned on the ball in midfield when put under the slightest bit of pressure. Hourihane isn't brave enough frankly to get turned on the ball in that scenario. Some of the Irish media were scathing of his efforts against Andorra in this regard (I didn't brave watching that game, mind). Hourihane's weakness on his right side and physically he looks too lean if anything to be competitive in the tackle.
Under McCarthy and Kenny now he is usually one of the first guys hooked and in a very limited team that isn't a good look. Josh Cullen looks a better option in that role to be honest, more dynamic. Big summer for Hourihane to get back on track.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2021, 04:44:00 AM
Started for Ireland the other night but you lose the will to live watching them so I didn't bother. Got subbed on the hour mark which mirrored his latter record at Swansea. Suggests that he's starting because of his name/reputation but not imposing himself on games and being taken-off at more or less the earliest opportunity....kind of like a lower-rent Barkley.
I suffered through it, Eamonn. Or most of it anyway.
Game passed Hourihane by like most of his international appearances. The odd tidy set piece aside. His limitations are exposed more for Ireland I think as our midfield (all the way back to Roy Keane to be honest) struggle to get turned on the ball in midfield when put under the slightest bit of pressure. Hourihane isn't brave enough frankly to get turned on the ball in that scenario. Some of the Irish media were scathing of his efforts against Andorra in this regard (I didn't brave watching that game, mind). Hourihane's weakness on his right side and physically he looks too lean if anything to be competitive in the tackle.
Under McCarthy and Kenny now he is usually one of the first guys hooked and in a very limited team that isn't a good look. Josh Cullen looks a better option in that role to be honest, more dynamic. Big summer for Hourihane to get back on track.
He may or may not be a top-level player, but he doesn't lack bravery.
Post by: in exile on June 14, 2021, 11:00:36 AM
Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2021, 11:10:13 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2021, 11:34:12 AM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on June 14, 2021, 12:03:49 PM
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2021, 12:54:56 PM
Steve Bruce wants him apparently.
According to Gabby Agbonlahor.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 12:50:12 PM
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 12:51:55 PM
Will he have a Hutton like renaissance here now given circumstances?
Christ almighty FV, I know you've got a funny view of Grealish's abilities but replaced by Conor Hourihane? Instead of playing matches, how about we just offer to blow the opposition?
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 01:03:45 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2021, 01:45:16 PM
Has he gone again? Celtic is my guess. Him and James McCarthy, the Irish/Celtic dreamteam.
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2021, 04:55:50 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 05, 2021, 07:08:14 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 05, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
True, but he did contribute and will remembered fondly I think. He's pushing on too...he must be 33/34, no?He's 30.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 05, 2021, 07:13:50 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 07:16:37 PM
Post by: Bishop Brennan on August 05, 2021, 08:09:33 PM
Should be able to get good money for him so. Brentford maybe?Would be a decent signing for Norwich, perhaps? Not least because it means he won't be scoring against them anymore.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 05, 2021, 08:25:49 PM
I think if we take both Emi II and Cantwell from them, it may stick in their craw a bit if they get Conor in return.Should be able to get good money for him so. Brentford maybe?Would be a decent signing for Norwich, perhaps? Not least because it means he won't be scoring against them anymore.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 20, 2021, 06:26:12 PM
Given his age, I don't think we can expect to get much for him in the transfer market.
Expect his agent will be trying to find the best deal for him.
His contract expires next summer and he'll turn 31 in February
Hevwas signed for £3m and info on t'interwebnet says he's on £30k a week, which will earn him £1.56m gross between now and July 2022
Guess we'd let him go on a free, but there's limited number of clubs who might want him - lower half of Prem especially promotees looking for experience, and promotion prospects with money/ambition.
Would he be tempted to move for a 2 or 3 yr deal for say £20-25k a week as that would guarantee him £2.08m or £3.12m.
An interesting quandary to be in.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2021, 07:16:12 PM
He'll be important for set plays and interested to see what they come up with here.
Post by: Ad@m on August 24, 2021, 08:34:44 PM
Post by: darren woolley on August 24, 2021, 08:41:12 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2021, 10:39:00 PM
Maybe it was his last game ?
Smith was talking to him leaving pitch and together in good spirits
Pats on backs and acknowledgement. Was class all round.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 25, 2021, 06:26:15 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 25, 2021, 06:40:28 AM
Something like 4 assists in our last 4 games the year we just about stayed up. Not forgetting his immense contribution to promotion the year before. One of the best signings of the last ten years. Well done Bruce and thanks for everything Connor.
Didnt we pay something like 1.5m for him? Absolute bargain and one of bruces better signings for us
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2021, 11:01:01 AM
A proper professional, I hope he finds a team that play properly and he can showcase his ability. Given a bit of time and space, which he can't get at our level, he can be devastating.
Post by: amfy on August 25, 2021, 11:09:35 AM
Touch of class giving his shirt to the kid and family in the crowd . Great gesture.
Maybe it was his last game ?
Smith was talking to him leaving pitch and together in good spirits
Pats on backs and acknowledgement. Was class all round.
I was just behind that kid. His face was a delight - he was so excited - he just couldn’t believe it!
Post by: dave shelley on August 25, 2021, 11:14:36 AM
Touch of class giving his shirt to the kid and family in the crowd . Great gesture.
Maybe it was his last game ?
Smith was talking to him leaving pitch and together in good spirits
Pats on backs and acknowledgement. Was class all round.
I was just behind that kid. His face was a delight - he was so excited - he just couldn’t believe it!
Great wasn't it? They showed I'm guessing, his Dad taking photographs of him holding it. The child couldn't believe his luck and his face was a picture.
Post by: DesBremner on August 25, 2021, 11:31:09 AM
No details on which player coming in or where he was due to go.
That's as close to an ITK player info I've ever had and it didn't materialise
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 11:40:53 AM
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Post by: kipeye on August 25, 2021, 02:00:12 PM
There are certain players that have played for villa over the years, that wouldn’t be considered in the list of villas greatest players, but live in the memory positively none the less. Mainly because they were half decent, had some really good moments and above all seemed to really care and gave everything for the club. Thinking the likes of Chris Price, Alan Wright, Gary Thompson and Connor for me fits into this bracket. He really has been integral to us getting up and staying up and our re-emergence in the last 2 or 3 years, absolute class act and I will always remember standing almost in line with him as he hit that sweet equaliser against the baggies in the play off semi final.Iknow that feeling: I still vividly remember Chris Nicholl's screamer at Old Trafford in the 2nd replay of the league Cup final.
Post by: villadelph on August 25, 2021, 02:01:24 PM
There are certain players that have played for villa over the years, that wouldn’t be considered in the list of villas greatest players, but live in the memory positively none the less. Mainly because they were half decent, had some really good moments and above all seemed to really care and gave everything for the club. Thinking the likes of Chris Price, Alan Wright, Gary Thompson and Connor for me fits into this bracket. He really has been integral to us getting up and staying up and our re-emergence in the last 2 or 3 years, absolute class act and I will always remember standing almost in line with him as he hit that sweet equaliser against the baggies in the play off semi final.
What a goal, what a day!
Post by: Dave on August 25, 2021, 02:04:09 PM
My ITK daughter who looks after one of their children told me he was due to move on 3 weeks ago but it fell through as a deal to bring a player in fell through.
Given the position, I assume that would have been around the time that Ward-Prowse's agent decided that Southampton had added enough zeroes to his new contract.
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
Post by: nick harper on August 25, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2021, 03:15:49 PM
He's given his all, helped us back up and to stay up, and has never moaned once. He's a good lad, and I hope he gets a move that suits him soon.
I’ve said many times I am a massive fan of his. He is a proper pro. He was excellent last night, not because of his play specially which was very good, but because he was a leader of young footballers starting their along their path in the game. He would have said the right things to all of them. Like you, i want the same for him. He deserves better than being sat on our PL bench or not in the squad every week. He could do a solid job a little further down; in the PL or a top side in the Championship.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 25, 2021, 03:44:11 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:21:29 AM
Well good luck there.
It looked very much like his last game for Villa when he played as captain Vs Barrow way he gave his shirt to a kid in the Villa fans and how he was looking emotional with Smith speaking to him walking off pitch end of game.
There was a mutual respect and good acknowledgement
Think the loan is an honourable for Conor as he's out of contract end of season and will be rewarded with a loyalty bonus for seeing his contract out.
Brilliant pro. And yeah the top end Championship clubs and some suitable Prem clubs are his level . With the right fit he's good enough in Prem (maybe not ones for pushing Europe) but good move for all parties this one.
Well played.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2021, 11:23:24 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 11:30:41 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 11:42:58 AM
Just a loan with a year left in his deal, we're looking at about 1m in January which I think is what we paid Barnsley four years ago.
When you see Watford selling Will Hughes to Palace for around 6m then I can see why our owners could potentially be getting frustrated we can't move on squad players for decent fees. Hughes may be a few years younger but he's simply not a significantly better midfielder than Hourihane.
We signed Wesley, Gulibert and Nakamba for around 40m two years ago. Wouldn't get close to half of that if all three left us permanently in next 48 hours.
El Ghazi is someone we could trade on for a healthy profit but sell him and not sign anyone else and suddenly we have lack of options for left of midfield.
Dosen't shock me really in last 18 months there's been more of a directive to go for many young players given how well that model works for Chelsea.
If that raises 50m every transfer window for us in next 2-3 years then so be it as selling existing squad players dosen't get us close to that with our current model.
No issue with player anyway, been a very good pro for us and while he's not quite good enough for week in week out mid table prem football he played a decent part in keeping us up in 19/20 which shouldn't be forgotten.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 30, 2021, 12:57:30 PM
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Post by: West Derby Villan on August 30, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
That worldly against the Throstles will live long in the memory, good luck Conor.
Never to be forgotten, by us and the bitters
Post by: Matt C on August 30, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Post by: Richard E on August 30, 2021, 05:54:52 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
Best Wishes.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2021, 06:01:39 PM
Clearly always understood what a privilege it is to play for Aston Villa FC. Thank you for your service to the cause, Conor.
This. Only to add I wish him the best of luck at United.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 30, 2021, 06:03:22 PM
A truly professional player for us who always showed his class.
His goals and assists will live long in the memory.
Fitting that he should be captain for his last game in the famous claret and blue of Villa.
Post by: CT on August 30, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Thanks for the memories, especially that belter against the bitters in the play off game.
Post by: algy on August 30, 2021, 06:21:53 PM
Post by: London Villan on August 30, 2021, 06:23:15 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2021, 06:32:40 PM
He’d have done more than barkley in a lot of games last season.
I’d have done more than Barkley in most of those games.
Good luck Conor, super player and a great attitude.
Post by: dave shelley on August 30, 2021, 06:41:49 PM
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Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2021, 07:09:05 PM
Unless we are bringing in another Midfielder this is ridiculous. Saturday proved that this season injuries and covid could easily wipe a few players out and Connor is great for the Bench . Absolutely mind-boggling what's going on down there .Nope. Connor's playing days for us in the Prem have gone.
Get over it.
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2021, 08:20:37 PM
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Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2021, 10:48:49 PM
Unless we are bringing in another Midfielder this is ridiculous. Saturday proved that this season injuries and covid could easily wipe a few players out and Connor is great for the Bench . Absolutely mind-boggling what's going on down there .
Are you at the point of stopping your support for the Villa yet? Burning your season ticket?
Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2021, 10:49:26 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on August 30, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
All those involved in getting us out of the Chumpionship that season deserve a degree of huge thanks. Not many left but that in itself isn't such a bad thing as many better players have arrived.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 31, 2021, 12:15:47 AM
Unless we are bringing in another Midfielder this is ridiculous. Saturday proved that this season injuries and covid could easily wipe a few players out and Connor is great for the Bench . Absolutely mind-boggling what's going on down there .
Should get Purslow to drop you a line to un-boggle things, I'm sure you'd sort it out.
Post by: Louzie0 on August 31, 2021, 12:23:55 AM
All the very best Conor; thanks so much for everything you’ve done for the Villa and good luck at Sheffield United, they’re very lucky to get you.
I wish you were staying, I think we might need you!
Post by: PhilVill on August 31, 2021, 06:59:05 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2021, 09:43:16 AM
That worldly against the Throstles will live long in the memory, good luck Conor.
Just to reflect on that strike, one that is pivotal I believe in our recent history. We were up in the North Stand, right behind it, and I don't recall many other times in nearly 40 years of watching us when I felt a serenity that a ball a long way from goal was going to end up there, but it was weird, like it was completely destined to follow that trajectory.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
Even last season when he started the first 2/3 games he was creative. I know he had many shortcomings but I was surprised we never tried him at 10 with that left foot. Fab servant, scored some incredible goals, and I hope he does really well at Sheffield United.
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 10:24:20 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/VQCmZhT/Screenshot-20210831-102327.png) (https://ibb.co/VQCmZhT)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 31, 2021, 10:28:34 AM
Post by: LukeJames on August 31, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/NnXrK1j/Screenshot-20210831-103421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NnXrK1j)
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 10:39:03 AM
I've an awful lot of time for him and hope he does really well.
Post by: Allan C on August 31, 2021, 10:39:09 AM
Yeah correct. Players have their times at clubs and we remember them fondly for it. That’s Connor for me. He came and did a fabulous job when and where it was needed. That “legend” (for want of a better word) wanes very quickly if they stay beyond that time. Good luck to him in the futureUnless we are bringing in another Midfielder this is ridiculous. Saturday proved that this season injuries and covid could easily wipe a few players out and Connor is great for the Bench . Absolutely mind-boggling what's going on down there .Nope. Connor's playing days for us in the Prem have gone.
Get over it.
Post by: JD on August 31, 2021, 10:40:59 AM
Making him captain for his last game was a nice touch.
I've an awful lot of time for him and hope he does really well.
Totally agree Drummond. It was a nice touch and I also have lots of time for him and wish him well.
Post by: AV82EC on August 31, 2021, 10:42:55 AM
I love this photo, he's already off celebrating while the whole of the crowd are still waiting for the realisation to set in.
(https://i.ibb.co/NnXrK1j/Screenshot-20210831-103421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NnXrK1j)
What’s amazing is the ball has hit the net and most of us in that picture haven’t even started celebrating. Great picture…
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 11:26:32 AM
I love this photo, he's already off celebrating while the whole of the crowd are still waiting for the realisation to set in.
(https://i.ibb.co/NnXrK1j/Screenshot-20210831-103421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NnXrK1j)
What’s amazing is the ball has hit the net and most of us in that picture haven’t even started celebrating. Great picture…
That said most of the mouths are open...
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2021, 11:36:19 AM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 31, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
Those goals against the baggies and That Lot will live long in the memory.
All the best Conor!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2021, 01:40:07 PM
Post by: luke95 on August 31, 2021, 07:37:51 PM
Good luck to him!
kungs vs cookin on 3 burners blasting out at Wembley will long live in the memory.
Post by: postal on August 31, 2021, 08:58:55 PM
All the best Conor.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2021, 09:32:01 PM
This window has been a real let down
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2021, 09:44:50 PM
Devastated to see a player who genuinely loved the Football Club leave
This window has been a real let down
Troy did love Watford.
Post by: john2710 on August 31, 2021, 09:53:07 PM
Hopefully he’ll smash another few past Small Heath over the next few seasons.
Post by: Keeno on August 31, 2021, 11:24:09 PM
Post by: Legion on August 31, 2021, 11:25:48 PM
Even if all he had brought to the table were those worldies in the playoffs, he'd still be remembered as a key figure in bringing Villa back from the brink. The fact he brought so much more on and off the pitch as a great professional and role model is even more admirable - he's been incredibly influential in building the great culture we seem to have now. Will never forget some of the moments he gave us while at the club and for that I'll always look out for him and wish him the best wherever he plays in the future. Would welcome him back at the club once his playing days are over in a heartbeat.
Exactly.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2021, 12:01:52 AM
Even if all he had brought to the table were those worldies in the playoffs, he'd still be remembered as a key figure in bringing Villa back from the brink. The fact he brought so much more on and off the pitch as a great professional and role model is even more admirable - he's been incredibly influential in building the great culture we seem to have now. Will never forget some of the moments he gave us while at the club and for that I'll always look out for him and wish him the best wherever he plays in the future. Would welcome him back at the club once his playing days are over in a heartbeat.
Exactly.
Yes, this.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 19, 2022, 09:29:30 PM
Aston Villa - 151
Plymouth Argyle - 142
Barnsley - 135
Swansea - 24
Sheffield United - 16
Republic of Ireland - 32
Post by: Steve67 on January 19, 2022, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 10, 2022, 11:00:39 PM
Good luck to the guy in whatever he does next. A great professional, who did his bit in restoring pride back into AVFC culminating in our promotion and re-establishing ourselves back in the pl. Du Du Du Du Du Du...
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2022, 11:04:51 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2022, 11:09:26 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2022, 11:14:25 PM
Wish him all the best.
Post by: LeonW on June 10, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2022, 12:39:07 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 11, 2022, 01:10:58 AM
Signing Scott Hogan for £9m+ ruins the record a bit, though.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 11, 2022, 01:35:32 AM
Post by: Rory on June 11, 2022, 01:42:36 AM
Compare him to someone like McCormack, and the gulf between good and bad signings can be mind-bendingly huge.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 11, 2022, 01:45:22 AM
Agree with pretty much everyone here. A skilled but limited player who had some brilliant moments for us and never failed to put in a shift.
Compare him to someone like McCormack, and the gulf between good and bad signings can be mind-bendingly huge.
He always at least made sure his gates worked, did our Conor.
Post by: Rory on June 11, 2022, 01:53:45 AM
Agree with pretty much everyone here. A skilled but limited player who had some brilliant moments for us and never failed to put in a shift.
Compare him to someone like McCormack, and the gulf between good and bad signings can be mind-bendingly huge.
He always at least made sure his gates worked, did our Conor.
Aye! That gates excuse reminded me of when I was with the drink a bit too heavily and called in to say I couldn't make it to work because one of my fence panels had fallen down.
It made sense at the time.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 11, 2022, 02:04:54 AM
Agree with pretty much everyone here. A skilled but limited player who had some brilliant moments for us and never failed to put in a shift.
Compare him to someone like McCormack, and the gulf between good and bad signings can be mind-bendingly huge.
He always at least made sure his gates worked, did our Conor.
Aye! That gates excuse reminded me of when I was with the drink a bit too heavily and called in to say I couldn't make it to work because one of my fence panels had fallen down.
It made sense at the time.
How did they respond to that? That can't have worked?!
Post by: Rory on June 11, 2022, 02:14:03 AM
Agree with pretty much everyone here. A skilled but limited player who had some brilliant moments for us and never failed to put in a shift.
Compare him to someone like McCormack, and the gulf between good and bad signings can be mind-bendingly huge.
He always at least made sure his gates worked, did our Conor.
Aye! That gates excuse reminded me of when I was with the drink a bit too heavily and called in to say I couldn't make it to work because one of my fence panels had fallen down.
It made sense at the time.
How did they respond to that? That can't have worked?!
It worked in the short term, not in the long term. That was when I was running out of excuses for being hungover.
Post by: mike on June 11, 2022, 05:58:03 AM
Post by: Joe S on June 11, 2022, 06:56:33 AM
Pity he might be rolling his sleeves up again with Steve Bruce but I wish him the best for the remainder of his career.
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2022, 07:08:41 AM
Post by: Allan C on June 11, 2022, 07:21:33 AM
Post by: Holte Antipode on June 11, 2022, 07:52:30 AM
That unkind 'hologram' tag had a ring of truth but, equally, we haven't carried any sort of Ward-Prowse-style set piece threat ever since.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 11, 2022, 08:14:45 AM
Thanks for everything Conor
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 11, 2022, 08:19:21 AM
Connor was too much of a limited player for a club with ambitions further up the premier league, but he was a really important player fir us at a crucial time in our history. That goal against the Albion is one of my favourite ever Villa goals. Good luck to that man.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 11, 2022, 08:29:22 AM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 11, 2022, 08:42:56 AM
Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2022, 09:21:15 AM
Post by: JD on June 11, 2022, 09:25:39 AM
He was always firs in if any of our players were in a skirmish. Watch the Leeds "free goal" game
Thanks for everything Conor
Agree Hookey. the two highlights for me with Conor were the goal against the Albion and the way he reacted the the Leeds cheat goal. Totally committed to Villa. Loved Conor and good luck to him.
Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2022, 09:31:33 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 11, 2022, 10:03:28 AM
Would someone be kind enough to point me in the direction of Villa's 'thank you' and Donor's response please? I can't seem to find them.
It’s in the Kidneys section.
Post by: nigel on June 11, 2022, 10:18:25 AM
Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2022, 10:51:16 AM
Would someone be kind enough to point me in the direction of Villa's 'thank you' and Donor's response please? I can't seem to find them.
It’s in the Kidneys section.
Bastard :)
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2022, 10:53:29 AM
Would someone be kind enough to point me in the direction of Villa's 'thank you' and Donor's response please? I can't seem to find them.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ConorHourihane/status/1535330612332085248
Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2022, 11:25:41 AM
Would someone be kind enough to point me in the direction of Villa's 'thank you' and Donor's response please? I can't seem to find them.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ConorHourihane/status/1535330612332085248
Cheers mate.
Post by: darren woolley on June 11, 2022, 12:48:40 PM
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2022, 01:08:37 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2022, 02:06:54 PM
I'll always have a soft spot for Conor. Determined to make it to the top which he did with us, played with that ability to smash the goal out of the ground which he did on more than one occasion, and wasn't it sweet to see him do it a gainer the Albion and the Noses? I don't think he will ever understand what that goal against the Albion meant to us, for that alone he can consider himself a hero. Good luck Conor.
This all day long. Struggling to think of a Villa player, past or present, that could hit the ball so sweetly and true as Conor. Certainly not Henri Lansbury who we bought for a similar fee the same time we signed Conor from Barnsley. I'll always fondly look back on his goals, his spirit and his willingness to jump in for a scrap, often to defend a teammate, should it be necessary.
Good luck Conor wherever you find yourself and thanks for helping us get back on track.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 11, 2022, 02:36:19 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 11, 2022, 03:06:13 PM
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
I'll always have a soft spot for Conor. Determined to make it to the top which he did with us, played with that ability to smash the goal out of the ground which he did on more than one occasion, and wasn't it sweet to see him do it a gainer the Albion and the Noses? I don't think he will ever understand what that goal against the Albion meant to us, for that alone he can consider himself a hero. Good luck Conor.Every word Dave every word. Thank You Conor and good luck.
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2022, 04:46:19 PM
No worse a footballer than Luiz who has clubs wanting to sign him for £30 mil apparently. He'll get a move, hopefully not to WBA. Absolutely key to us getting up. Some amazing goals.
Hourihane has 4 Premier League goals in the last 3 years for us, compared to 5 for Luiz. The main difference being that Hourihane has spent the last two seasons out on loan in the Championship!
Post by: nigel on June 11, 2022, 05:31:43 PM
I'll always have a soft spot for Conor. Determined to make it to the top which he did with us, played with that ability to smash the goal out of the ground which he did on more than one occasion, and wasn't it sweet to see him do it a gainer the Albion and the Noses? I don't think he will ever understand what that goal against the Albion meant to us, for that alone he can consider himself a hero. Good luck Conor.
This all day long. Struggling to think of a Villa player, past or present, that could hit the ball so sweetly and true as Conor. Certainly not Henri Lansbury who we bought for a similar fee the same time we signed Conor from Barnsley. I'll always fondly look back on his goals, his spirit and his willingness to jump in for a scrap, often to defend a teammate, should it be necessary.
Good luck Conor wherever you find yourself and thanks for helping us get back on track.
Along with Bruce Rioch I can’t think of a better striker of the ball, in a Villa top, than Conor
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2022, 06:27:41 PM
No worse a footballer than Luiz who has clubs wanting to sign him for £30 mil apparently. He'll get a move, hopefully not to WBA. Absolutely key to us getting up. Some amazing goals.
Hourihane has 4 Premier League goals in the last 3 years for us, compared to 5 for Luiz. The main difference being that Hourihane has spent the last two seasons out on loan in the Championship!
True but both played out of position without complaint for their best part of their time at Villa. There's more to being a good coach than cheque book management. I hope SG can change the trend.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2022, 06:32:22 PM
True but both played out of position without complaint for their best part of their time at Villa. There's more to being a good coach than cheque book management. I hope SG can change the trend.
Yup, I also hope SG builds a squad so we don't have to play players out of position.
Post by: Ad@m on June 11, 2022, 07:07:38 PM
I loved, and love, Hourihane. I hope he doesn't sign for Albion.
This. 100% this.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2022, 07:44:40 PM
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Post by: stubbsyandy on June 12, 2022, 11:15:09 AM
beannacht deartháir!
Post by: Villa Lew on June 12, 2022, 01:22:59 PM
Post by: Stu82 on June 12, 2022, 02:13:49 PM
Thanks Conor - key person in our revival and a top pro.Agree, he was vital for our promotion challenge
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 12, 2022, 06:22:17 PM
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Along with Bruce Rioch I can’t think of a better striker of the ball, in a Villa top, than Conor
Der Hammer says hi
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2022, 06:31:17 PM
QuoteAlong with Bruce Rioch I can’t think of a better striker of the ball, in a Villa top, than Conor
Der Hammer says hi
Gary Parker and Steve Staunton enter the chat
Post by: WassallVillain on June 12, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Thankyou, Conor. All the best for the future. I'll miss the renditions of Kungs vs Cookin' on Three Burners.
My favourite part of the play off final post match celebration was that tune being played and 35k plus villains singing the Conor Hourihane song. Hope he enjoyed it too.
Post by: algy on June 13, 2022, 07:44:47 AM
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Post by: dcdavecollett on June 16, 2022, 02:12:55 AM
Sounds and looks like a great professional. Credit to Bruce for bringing him in.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 16, 2022, 10:19:21 AM
Credit to Bruce
Steady on!
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2022, 10:25:28 AM
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 16, 2022, 10:27:20 AM
Post by: Risso on June 16, 2022, 01:27:47 PM
He came in during Bruce's first transfer window when he tried to buy up what he thought were the Championship's best players: Conor, Lansbury, Hogan, Bree, Johnstone and Bjarnson. Despite the excitement at the time only Conor was a success.
Bjarnason came from Basel, agree about the rest though. I think at the time Bruce just went for the top scorer and top assist maker in Hogan and Hourihane, without any thought as to if they all could play together. Hogan was an absolutely unmitigated disaster, one of the worst player I've ever seen. What did we pay for him and Fat Ross combined, £25m? Jesus Christ.
Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2022, 01:56:27 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2022, 02:10:03 PM
Post by: Risso on June 16, 2022, 02:49:11 PM
Conor wasnt a bad signing really, neither was Johnstone. He did buy some decent players as well. It was only Hogan he wasted stupid money on.
That's a fair summary. He also brought in Terry who worked out well. The main issue with Bruce was the football and the absolute shitshow of a defence he left us with at the start of the season we went up.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 16, 2022, 03:12:40 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2022, 05:30:44 PM
Conor wasnt a bad signing really, neither was Johnstone. He did buy some decent players as well. It was only Hogan he wasted stupid money on.
That's a fair summary. He also brought in Terry who worked out well. The main issue with Bruce was the football and the absolute shitshow of a defence he left us with at the start of the season we went up.
And his squad building. The problem with just signing players that look good and then making a team out of them is that sometimes you end up with 1 lb, 2cb and 4tb as your defense.
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 17, 2022, 02:24:28 AM
Post by: London Villan on June 17, 2022, 06:00:33 AM
Post by: Dave P on June 17, 2022, 06:09:42 AM
Didnt bruce bring in Mings too?
No that was Smith in Jan 2019
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 17, 2022, 07:40:38 AM
Bruce was hit-and-miss in the market but at least he seemed to recruit on character generally which did us some good.bought in a load of dodgy keepers
Post by: London Villan on June 17, 2022, 08:11:33 AM
Didnt bruce bring in Mings too?
No that was Smith in Jan 2019
I couldn't remember if it was Bruce or not.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2022, 08:21:54 AM
Didnt bruce bring in Mings too?
No that was Smith in Jan 2019
I couldn't remember if it was Bruce or not.
Bruce left us with no defenders! Smith had to bring in Hause and Mings, after earlier convincing Chester to sacrifice his future for us.
Post by: Dave P on June 17, 2022, 09:22:58 AM
Bruce was hit-and-miss in the market but at least he seemed to recruit on character generally which did us some good.bought in a load of dodgy keepers
Only two to be fair (Nyland and Moriera) and the former had his moments such as Swansea away and Leicester in the league cup semi. Incidentally, it is the two year anniversary today of Nylands wonder save against Sheffield United. To this day, I don't know how he stopped it going in.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Bruce was hit-and-miss in the market but at least he seemed to recruit on character generally which did us some good.bought in a load of dodgy keepers
Only two to be fair (Nyland and Moriera) and the former had his moments such as Swansea away and Leicester in the league cup semi. Incidentally, it is the two year anniversary today of Nylands wonder save against Sheffield United. To this day, I don't know how he stopped it going in.
Wasn't there something about Kalinic being on a pre-contract before Smith came in as well?
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 17, 2022, 10:51:57 AM
Bruce was hit-and-miss in the market but at least he seemed to recruit on character generally which did us some good.bought in a load of dodgy keepers
Only two to be fair (Nyland and Moriera) and the former had his moments such as Swansea away and Leicester in the league cup semi. Incidentally, it is the two year anniversary today of Nylands wonder save against Sheffield United. To this day, I don't know how he stopped it going in.
Wasn't there something about Kalinic being on a pre-contract before Smith came in as well?
As bad and nervy as Nyland was (other than those games mentioned), Kalinic in those few appearances is the single worst keeper I’ve ever seen.
Theres a bloke at work whose family come from Croatia, so he supports them (and Crewe, fair play) and he told me when we got him, he doesnt have the basic attributes to be a keeper. Essentially he can’t kick, he’s too big to get down quickly and he’s not very good at stopping shots. How is he still on our books!!
Post by: Dave P on June 17, 2022, 10:56:53 AM
Bruce was hit-and-miss in the market but at least he seemed to recruit on character generally which did us some good.bought in a load of dodgy keepers
Only two to be fair (Nyland and Moriera) and the former had his moments such as Swansea away and Leicester in the league cup semi. Incidentally, it is the two year anniversary today of Nylands wonder save against Sheffield United. To this day, I don't know how he stopped it going in.
Wasn't there something about Kalinic being on a pre-contract before Smith came in as well?
I think we tried for him in the past but couldn't get a work permit sorted. Smith definitely signed him. Not sure if there was a pre-agreement.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2022, 12:05:26 PM
Bruce was hit-and-miss in the market but at least he seemed to recruit on character generally which did us some good.bought in a load of dodgy keepers
Only two to be fair (Nyland and Moriera) and the former had his moments such as Swansea away and Leicester in the league cup semi. Incidentally, it is the two year anniversary today of Nylands wonder save against Sheffield United. To this day, I don't know how he stopped it going in.
Wasn't there something about Kalinic being on a pre-contract before Smith came in as well?
I think we tried for him in the past but couldn't get a work permit sorted. Smith definitely signed him. Not sure if there was a pre-agreement.
I remember that, it was in the relegation season. When he actually joined it was right at the start of the window and I seem to recall there being comments that it had been planned for while.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2022, 12:07:05 PM
Bruce was hit-and-miss in the market but at least he seemed to recruit on character generally which did us some good.bought in a load of dodgy keepers
Only two to be fair (Nyland and Moriera) and the former had his moments such as Swansea away and Leicester in the league cup semi. Incidentally, it is the two year anniversary today of Nylands wonder save against Sheffield United. To this day, I don't know how he stopped it going in.
Wasn't there something about Kalinic being on a pre-contract before Smith came in as well?
I think we tried for him in the past but couldn't get a work permit sorted. Smith definitely signed him. Not sure if there was a pre-agreement.
I remember that, it was in the relegation season. When he actually joined it was right at the start of the window and I seem to recall there being comments that it had been planned for while.
You have to say, it was worth the wait.
Post by: eamonn on June 17, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2022, 12:08:32 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2022, 12:33:22 PM
Has Klasnic now gone? jesus he must be on for a testimonial ?
1 more year on his contract.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2022, 12:50:10 PM
Has Klasnic now gone? jesus he must be on for a testimonial ?
1 more year on his contract.
bloody hell, who gave him this deal ??
Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2022, 01:04:11 PM
Essentially he can’t kick, he’s too big to get down quickly and he’s not very good at stopping shots. How is he still on our books!!
You answered your own question...
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2022, 01:04:37 PM
Has Klasnic now gone? jesus he must be on for a testimonial ?
1 more year on his contract.
bloody hell, who gave him this deal ??
Probably Pitarch.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2022, 01:15:53 PM
Essentially he can’t kick, he’s too big to get down quickly and he’s not very good at stopping shots. How is he still on our books!!
You answered your own question...
He also can’t jump. He’s the full package.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 05, 2022, 07:38:04 PM
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 05, 2022, 08:30:04 PM
Outstanding signing for Derby.
Agree
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 05, 2022, 08:43:18 PM
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Post by: dcdavecollett on July 07, 2022, 02:28:36 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 07, 2022, 08:05:33 AM
Terrific signing for the Rams -a perfect professional. Probably too good for this level.
He hasn't consistently displayed the level necessary to start games in the championship over the past year or two, which may indicate that League One is more on his level now.
The most important factor for his move from Villa is that he is playing football and yes he's certainly good enough football player to play at league one level and will feel at ease.
He now sees himself as the seasoned pro for one of the major League One clubs, and his talent matches that since he'll be among the best in the league.
Because the team is rebuilding and Connor can be a powerful player, I think it's a wonderful fit for both of them.
Nigh on wonderful infact.
Good Luck Connor! Classy guy!
Post by: nigel on July 07, 2022, 08:13:15 AM
Terrific signing for the Rams -a perfect professional. Probably too good for this level.
I wonder if there might be a coaching role in the making?
Like JT with us.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 07, 2022, 09:02:41 AM
Some beautiful goals!
Thank you!
Post by: dave shelley on July 07, 2022, 09:03:11 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2022, 09:09:08 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2022, 09:10:56 AM
They've signed James Chester, too. Hope they both do well.Yep,.
Post by: dave shelley on July 07, 2022, 09:12:38 AM
Post by: Richard E on July 07, 2022, 09:13:35 AM
James Chester deserves a successful end to his career just for the sacrifices he made in the name of Aston Villa. Along with Conor I always believed they were proud to wear our shirt.
Yes. Two players who we owe our gratitude to.
Post by: Villan For Life on July 07, 2022, 09:14:13 AM
Both played their part in our rebirth.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 07, 2022, 09:18:56 AM
With Conor and James they are in safe hands. 2 class guys.
Will be watching for their results this coming season.
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2022, 09:31:43 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2022, 09:45:02 AM
Post by: JD on July 07, 2022, 10:24:44 AM
BBC are reporting that Derby have sold 6,300 season tickets today, now the restrictions have been lifted.
Post by: darren woolley on July 07, 2022, 11:13:29 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2022, 11:30:43 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 07, 2022, 07:58:14 PM
I wish them both nothing but success, I don’t mind Derby and will keep an eye on their progress.
Both played their part in our rebirth.
This for me also
Post by: manic-road on July 31, 2022, 05:43:07 PM
Post by: Matt C on July 31, 2022, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 31, 2022, 06:08:59 PM
I wish them both nothing but success, I don’t mind Derby and will keep an eye on their progress.
Both played their part in our rebirth.
This for me also
And me.
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2022, 06:28:45 PM
I wish them both nothing but success, I don’t mind Derby and will keep an eye on their progress.
Both played their part in our rebirth.
This for me also
And me.
And me. Derby will be my League 1 team. They should smash it with the payers they have. Rooney went too soon.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2022, 06:34:32 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 01, 2022, 01:32:52 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 01, 2022, 01:31:41 PM
And scores a great goal - well done Conor
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2022, 02:29:06 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 01, 2022, 03:00:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2022, 09:47:21 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on August 01, 2022, 10:00:32 PM
Nice one, Conor. I once had a left foot like that.
I’ve got a left foot……it’s somewhere useful to place a sock
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2022, 11:15:05 PM
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Post by: Ian. on June 08, 2023, 07:13:11 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 07:46:28 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 08, 2023, 07:47:26 PM
My stomach turned as people started mentioning that we needed to go up that season because of parachute payments
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2023, 07:57:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 08:13:36 PM
Post by: CT Villan on June 08, 2023, 08:18:39 PM
Post by: Steve67 on June 08, 2023, 09:13:06 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 08, 2023, 09:46:38 PM
Train at Derby in the morning and coach the young lads here in the afternoons?
Post by: FatSam on June 08, 2023, 09:49:55 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 08, 2023, 09:55:23 PM