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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on December 03, 2016, 04:54:23 PM
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Come on you Lions!
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Dirty Leeds
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Sarkic?
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U21 goalie? Would rather see Bacuna in the middle rather than Westwood or Gardner. Any chance of stickying the thread
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Sarkic?
You bein Sarky?
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Sarkic?
get up the doctors for that mate
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Baker is a big miss
Also grealish probably deserved to keep his place but reasonable to use him from the bench
Westwood...
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Come on Villa keep up the momentum.
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westwood always amazes me he starts
Hutton I would prefer Bacuna to be honest
and Grealish for me deserves a start but i cant argue with Mr Bruce at the moment , he is the man .
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Nothing less than 3 points today, lads. It's time to turn it up a level or two.
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Brave leaving Greealish out after the Cardiff game. But Bruce definitely deserves to make those calls without much in the way of dissent after the start he's had.
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Plenty of creativity on the bench to bring on when they start to tire
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BE Good luck with the match thread. A birthday win for me would be just wonderful.
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Are we super-sizing the images now - is that the thing now, is it?
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Leeds had a tough match mid week - I'd rather go at then from the off with more creativity while they may be leggy
As others have said, Bruce has the right to make these calls
One day we'll stop being quite so lucky - though we may have used up a lot of our bad luck earlier in the season
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We all have said Bruce knows this league and I am sure swapping and changing personnel and formations is part and parcel of it. He must have watched dirty Leeds and thinks 442 is the answer.
Love the fact we have great options from the bench other than centre half.
Elphick worries me every time he plays.
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The fact that he changes it up for different opposition and picks unpopular players suggest Bruce has a plan for each game, which is a bit of a novelty for us.
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Look at Li'l Lee's suit!! Looking forward to his insightful analysis.
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Elphick worries me.
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We all have said Bruce knows this league and I am sure swapping and changing personnel and formations is part and parcel of it. He must have watched dirty Leeds and thinks 442 is the answer.
Love the fact we have great options from the bench other than centre half.
Elphick worries me every time he plays.
It won't be 442 though - adomah and kodjia on the wings in a 433
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We all have said Bruce knows this league and I am sure swapping and changing personnel and formations is part and parcel of it. He must have watched dirty Leeds and thinks 442 is the answer.
Love the fact we have great options from the bench other than centre half.
Elphick worries me every time he plays.
Definitely looks 433 to me with Kodija on left. Bruce is definitely a manager with a preference for keeping a squad of players hungry for a realistic place in the team over keeping a balanced team.
Would agree with three in the middle tonight away to Leeds but can't fathom Gestede ahead of Grealish. Bruce will factor that Hutton hasn't done enough to get dropped. A lot of competition for places even on the bench.
There aren't many who would have picked that 11 tonight but it's one built for a scrap. Likely to finish the game with a better side than the one starting.
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Grrr...Gardner seems to be anonymous when he is paired with Westwood.
Maybe Bruce is saving Grealish and Bacuna for impact subs , but why start so weak?
Looks like 4-1-4-1 that worked well for Bruce early games...but that was with an energetic duo (Gardner, Bacuna) in front General Jedinak.
Westwood in front of Elphick and Hutton....thats alot of weakness for Mile Jedinak to cover on our right flank.
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Are we super-sizing the images now - is that the thing now, is it?
It is embedded normally on my phone. Are you using a Nokia 3100? ;-)
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Our boys in good voice already
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Come on you lovely Lions - make this a good Saturday night!!!
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Looking back, I wonder how many times we've seen and immediately disagreed with Steve's line-up?
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The fact that he changes it up for different opposition and picks unpopular players suggest Bruce has a plan for each game, which is a bit of a novelty for us.
Maybe he wants to subject Grealish to less than 45 minutes of being kicked around, giving him just enough time to score one, set up two, and get two of the ****** sent off.
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So bunn and grealish injured each other in training?
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Looking back, I wonder how many times we've seen and immediately disagreed with Steve's line-up?
Most games to be fair
Mind you I think we were right against Blackburn at least
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Grealish injured in a training ground collision with Steer (?) apparently - hence Sarkic and Grealish on bench
Ah Bunn not Steer
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So bunn and grealish injured each other in training?
Thankfully it looks like Bunn came off worse!
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What is that Jimmy Seville song?
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Can't see us winning this, but, fuck the fuckers.
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BE Good luck with the match thread. A birthday win for me would be just wonderful.
I felt the vibe today. And happy birthday TV!
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Happy Birthday TV 😊
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HB, TV.
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Yes HB TV, a fellow Sagittarean.
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Are we super-sizing the images now - is that the thing now, is it?
It is embedded normally on my phone. Are you using a Nokia 3100? ;-)
I'm using a Lenovo Thinkpad! Not so so easy to fit in the pocket, but is great for work!
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BE Good luck with the match thread. A birthday win for me would be just wonderful.
I felt the vibe today. And happy birthday TV!
Happy birthday TV. My birthday tomorrow so let's hope for a decent birthday weekend. Just off to the first work do of 5 in a week so going to miss the 2nd half.
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HB, FT, R.
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Harsh yellow for Jedinak
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Jedinak booked. Shit!
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Not much happening then
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So much better this year with Adomah taking corners...should suit Rudy and Kodjia is good in the air was well. Whoever was doing it last year...it was horrible.
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Gardner does give the ball away absurdly cheaply sometimes
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So Jedinak gets a yellow for pulling a shirt, their player pulls a shirt and it's just a free kick. Think we had a good shout for a penalty as well. Ref's a homer
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Bit of an aimless, Di Matteo-esque performance so far.
Leedzzz are supposedly one of the better teams in this division but they don't look much cop.
Start on the front foot against this kind of muck and you could have the game sewn up by half time.
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This is turgid from both teams, ball must be hot
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Shocking from Kodjia. So much time and he knocks it out the ground.
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Second penalty shout. Again not given
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More of the game in their half at the mo. Need to make this pressure count!
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Second penalty shout. Again not given
Didn't think it was a pen
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Second penalty shout. Again not given
Not a penaltylooking at the replay
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It's no classic this!
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Second penalty shout. Again not given
Didn't think it was a pen
Think it was - Adomah touched the ball onto Green and Green cleared him out
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Bit of an aimless, Di Matteo-esque performance so far.
Leedzzz are supposedly one of the better teams in this division but they don't look much cop.
Start on the front foot against this kind of muck and you could have the game sewn up by half time.
Very true but I still can't see what we're trying to do in attack.
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We are waiting for friends for dinner so will not be following for much longer. Grr!
Wild boar tajine with apricots since you ask. Locally-hunted boar marinated in Muscat sec wine. Blackcurrant cheesecake to follow. Lafarge Pessac-Leognan 2011 uncorked.
UTV!
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Low on quality this league isn't it...
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Anyone pick up the chant that Sky were apologising for?!
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Has anybody had a shot yet? (Not Jaegers and that).
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Missplacing simple passes under no pressure at all. Dire.
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Pretty enjoyable game so far and one of the best atmospheres I've heard in a long time.
Think we are starting to let them get on top a bit too much right now. Need to get a foot in the game again.
Whichever set of fans were making the Jimmy Savile chants should be ashamed of themselves! ::)
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We are waiting for friends for dinner so will not be following for much longer. Grr!
Wild boar tajine with apricots since you ask. Locally-hunted boar marinated in Muscat sec wine. Blackcurrant cheesecake to follow. Lafarge Pessac-Leognan 2011 uncorked.
UTV!
I bet it's lasagne and chips w/ side salad
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Anyone pick up the chant that Sky were apologising for?!
Jimmy Saville related
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We are waiting for friends for dinner so will not be following for much longer. Grr!
Wild boar tajine with apricots since you ask. Locally-hunted boar marinated in Muscat sec wine. Blackcurrant cheesecake to follow. Lafarge Pessac-Leognan 2011 uncorked.
UTV!
Sod the football. That sounds great!:)
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Their starting to dominant and have had the first real chances. Think we need to hang tight to half-time then regroup.
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I feel we need Grealish on
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No way was that a freekick
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Giving away too many free kicks
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Albert struggling FFS
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Gardner had to do better there
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This is shocking stuff to watch
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I've only watched the last 15 mins or so but it's been a woeful game so far.
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Pretty poor. Still lack of confidence in some of them
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BE Good luck with the match thread. A birthday win for me would be just wonderful.
I felt the vibe today. And happy birthday TV!
Thank you BE, thank you everyone. Just got in from lunch. Doesn't appear to much happening in the game though a I just saw Gardner with crap control when he should have done better. Anything else of note to speak of?
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We need to shift gears here.
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We need more break aways like that one a few minutes ago to relieve the pressure. Even that or we need to play a bit of keep ball to deflect things. Think Grealish and maybe Gabby should get involved second half. Wonder if Ross might be worth a shot since Kodja is having one of his poorer games.
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Pretty poor. Still lack of confidence in some of them
Lack of ability more than confidence I'm afraid. Definitely need changes at the break, the two in with Jedinak have been predictably anonymous and Gestede offers nothing
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Mr. Bruce said the basis of success in this division was industry and he's not wrong.
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We seem to be creating better openings.
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Bruce looks like he's regained some weight
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At least that was a bit better.
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We seem to be creating better openings.
They missed the two best chances in the game, one a sitter really
We are having joy pressing them alright, keep forcing turnovers in their half but don't have the quality on the pitch to take advantage
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A mistake will win this. They look as error prone as we do.
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Mr. Bruce said the basis of success in this division was industry and he's not wrong.
Indeed though I doubt with all his promotions he's never had such an embarrassment of riches.
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Grealish for Gestede would be my call, Kodjia in the middle. Need a spark
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Grealish for Gestede would be my call, Kodjia in the middle. Need a spark
We certainly need something up front. Oh and Happy Birthday, TV.
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Pretty poor. Still lack of confidence in some of them
Lack of ability more than confidence I'm afraid. Definitely need changes at the break, the two in with Jedinak have been predictably anonymous and Gestede offers nothing
Westwood's done reasonably OK, TBF. More combative than cauliflower this evening. But you know you won't be getting defence splitting passes from him. Splitting the opposition's defence, at least.
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Elphik looking a bit tubby there
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We're easily better than them but we've created precious little. Maybe a change up front second half to inject a bit of pace, and they're there for the taking.
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Excellent first half. Organised and professional all through the team.
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Grealish for Gestede would be my call, Kodjia in the middle. Need a spark
We certainly need something up front. Oh and Happy Birthday, TV.
Thank you sir. Yes the bits I have caught it seems all very agricultural. I wonder if that is in a lot of ways to do with playing Gestede. We need a bit of quality to unlock this game. We seem to playing to Leeds standard and not emphasizing our own strengths which should help separate us from them.
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The 25 mins I saw was awful. One decent move for both sides, and then just garbage and fouls. If either side steps up a gear they'll piss this.
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Jedinak MoM so far.
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Happy birthday TV
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Anyone know what the offending Savile chant is? Not sure why I care!
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Grealish for Gestede would be my call, Kodjia in the middle. Need a spark
Ayew for Gestede, move Kodjia center and Ayew left.
Bacuna for Westwood.
Grealish for Gardner.
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Awful so far.
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Us: Jimmy Savile, he's one of your own
Them: Jimmy Savile, he's friends with Steve Bruce (is what it sounded like to me)
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We seem to be creating better openings.
They missed the two best chances in the game, one a sitter really
We are having joy pressing them alright, keep forcing turnovers in their half but don't have the quality on the pitch to take advantage
Both chances came from set pieces and they haven't really caused us any problems apart from that. We've been desperately short of quality going forward though and Gardner and Westwood are so one dimensional.
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We look solid though set pieces are a risk.
The quality of the game is terrible though. We're well away from being able to compete in the premier league
Gardner had our best chance from a FORWARD Westwood pass but his first touch was terrible
Gestede winning a few flick ons but not much else
You can probably tell who I'd fetch off for ayew and grealish before too long
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Overheard conversations in the Lord Clifden include people reminiscing about the worst games they've ever seen.
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Us: Jimmy Savile, he's one of your own
Them: Jimmy Savile, he's friends with Steve Bruce (is what it sounded like to me)
Ta. The usual level of sophisticated ribaldry.
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Excellent first half. Organised and professional all through the team.
Agreed. Crap game but we've bossed it in their own back yard.
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Think we've done pretty well overall. Think I would bring on a bit of pace so that we can break quicker and maybe create a bit more. But we've looked solid, have worked hard and restricted them to very few chances. Would be pleased if it ended this way.
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We have 4 of our better players sitting in the bench
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Why do they have the Norwich and Brentford badges displayed in the Sky studio?
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Changing in offing 2nd half . Leeds awful defemce needs punishing. A bit more pace up front will do trick. Bruce set up with gesthese and players high up the pitch and worry if there wide play . When time is right have players on bench will come on hopefully alteady be a goal up. Anyway expecting the 3 points .
With sure grealish ayew or gabby all cause problems when they enter fray
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Second penalty shout. Again not given
Not a penaltylooking at the replay
I thought it was a pen.
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Take gestede and Gardner off for grealish and ayew with kodjia up front we will win this
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Totally in control that 1st half.
just need a good chance to come our way now, but for me that was very pleasing.
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Very professional first half display - now to kick on.
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Brucie bonus there
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Bruce said something to Grealish warming up...bet Jack will come on early. Hopefully for Westwood but suspect it will be Gardner.
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Whatever it was, it's raised a smile.
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Amavi is having a good game so far but he has to deal with that not rely on the goalkeeper coming miles out
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Is Gollini surgically attached to his goal line?
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Dirty bastard baiting Jedi for a second yellow there...
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Jedi getting stuck in
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Mr. Bruce said the basis of success in this division was industry and he's not wrong.
Indeed though I doubt with all his promotions he's never had such an embarrassment of riches.
I presume (hope) you're being sarcastic.
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Sitter, missed.
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Thought it was a miss but saved by Green - should have been a corner
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aw cmon albert!
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Crivens, Westwood got a shot on target.
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Just turned in and we nearly had two goaka
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Good hit, Westy!
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If only Westwood had shown some composure there.
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Wasnt Ayling involved in that unpleasantness at Cheltenham?
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Credit where it's due, Westwood is having his best game in ages.
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If only Westwood had shown some composure there.
fuck me mate it's the first shot he's ever got on target
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Pressing hard here
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Playing well
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It seems that the sky commentators are fully paid up members of the Leeds United appreciation society.
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Almost time for Jack I reckon.
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Jack o'clock.
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Looked like a pen to me in real time.
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Pressing hard here
Got some options to come off the bench as well. Gardner for Grealish should be the first change.
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Happy birthday TV
Thank you Mr Shin
What a poor game this is. Bruce needs to change this up a bit
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Grealish for Gardner.
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Bollocks
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Fucks sake.
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You could see it coming a mile off.
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Fuck off
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Shit. I'm looking at Gollini to do better there
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Shocking keeping. Pathetic.
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Well on top and they score. Bollocks.
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The sky bloke is going to orgasm isn't he?
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Poor from Gollini.
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Yes, pretty weak from Gollini
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That is a Fucking terrible goal to concede
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shit goal keeping AGAIN
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Get the pantomime horse off and put the blob on.
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Gollini didn't fancy the collision there
Leeds have been shocking second half too
Kodija has been very poor on left, surely we should be going 442 now
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Bad keeping but also bad centre back play - he was completely free
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Still got a chance here if we carry on working hard
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Someone losttheirman _ Elphick maybe?
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that is bollocks from gollini.
didn't even clatter the bastard.
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Goalkeeper is a shithouse .Stuck to his line . Starting position wrong on every cross .
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Gollini has struggled to come off his line all game.
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Need Jack to show here
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Absolutely no chance of turning this around.
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We don't deserve to get nothing from this.
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Isaac Hayes going off
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We are making too many mistakes and need to tighten things up immediately.
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Well on top and they score. Bollocks.
To be fair we've done fuck all.
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Gollini has struggled to come off his line all game.
Gollini struggles to come off his line in ANY game.
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I'd be getting Flabby and Ayew on
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Its been pretty crap overall... no real goal threat. Not sure if we can turn this around
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I'd be getting Flabby and Ayew on
Bingo !!
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I'd be getting Flabby and Ayew on
Ta-dah
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Its been pretty crap overall... no real goal threat. Not sure if we can turn this around
Yup. Can't remember their keeper having to do anything all game.
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For me Bruce has got this wrong. He went in to the game with the approach of stopping them playing. With the confidence in the club growing he should have gone out to win. The mentality was all wrong and we have got deeper and deeper. Let's hope we can scrape a point from this. This will be a poor result if we end up losing.
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For me Bruce has got this wrong. He went in to the game with the approach of stopping them playing. With the confidence in the club growing he should have gone out to win. The mentality was all wrong and we have got deeper and deeper. Let's hope we can scrape a point from this. This will be a poor result if we end up losing.
Don't think this was a Gestede game..
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Its been pretty crap overall... no real goal threat. Not sure if we can turn this around
Yup. Can't remember their keeper having to do anything all game.
2 good saves. One should have been a corner.
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Oh hutton cant pass for shit.... or tackle.
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Why are we so utterly monumentallly fucking shit at corners.
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Why is ayew taking them? It doesn't work.
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Oh hutton cant pass for shit.... or tackle.
Don't rate him one iota but he had been very solid tonight
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No way are we getting anything out of this game
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And Westwood staying on the pitch again. It's okay though because he's a 'busy' player.
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It's my fault. I didn't start the match thread. Bastard birthday lunch.
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Wtf !!!
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What the fuck was that Amavi
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Oh hutton cant pass for shit.... or tackle.
Don't rate him one iota but he had been very solid tonight
You are watching a different game. He keeps on passing to leeds....
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Dreadful performance from Amavi.
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And Westwood staying on the pitch again. It's okay though because he's a 'busy' player.
I heard he keeps things ticking over whatever that means.
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Fallen to pieces
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Gollini should have had that.
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And Westwood staying on the pitch again. It's okay though because he's a 'busy' player.
I fear the lack of players better than the likes of Westwood, Hutton and Gabby will thwart us this season.
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This is making for very aggravating viewing.
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Rubbish. We don't deserve anything from this game.
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Still feel confident about this team this season now under Bruce. This feels like a blip whereas last 2-3 years we'd have took it for granted as part of a run of win less games
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Stupid petulance - not for the first time - from Ayew.
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Considerably crap.
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And Westwood staying on the pitch again. It's okay though because he's a 'busy' player.
I fear the lack of players better than the likes of Westwood, Hutton and Gabby will thwart us this season.
I'd add Gollini to that list - haven't been remotely convinced by him from day 1
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Very, very poor today.
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Very bad day at the office
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We've been awful since they scored. Have we even had a shot since then?
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lol 2-0
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Poor. Very poor
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Hilarious stuff
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Massively lacking in quality today.
2-0 in fact just utter shit
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There you go. Oh well I'm sure we'll beat them at VP
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It seems to me that we looked fucking knackered after 75 minutes.
We ran out of steam and ideas.
A long, long way to go yet
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elphick, you slow ******
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Elphik has zero pace
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Fuck right off. Pathetic.
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We've been awful since they scored. Have we even had a shot since then?
Did we have a shot before ?
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I said I was worried how we would respond when we eventually lost under Bruce, so we will find out now.
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A collective off night all round, with a fair few bits of old, crap Villa poking through. We never looked like scoring at all this game.
And now 2-0 to t'Leeds, done and dusted.
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Rubbish from Jedinak. Slow from Elphick. Questionable from Gollini. I think that's known as a clusterfuckup
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It seems to me that we looked fucking knackered after 75 minutes.
We ran out of steam and ideas.
A long, long way to go yet
Totally ,but luckily our manager knows it
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I can very much see why we are looking at a new keeper. Gollini should have done better with that and was at fault for the first.
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Poor performance
Poor ball retention - Jedinak this time
Straight though the keeper
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It seems to me that we looked fucking knackered after 75 minutes.
We ran out of steam and ideas.
Must have been that game against Liverpool on Tuesday that did it.
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We've been awful since they scored. Have we even had a shot since then?
Did we have a shot before ?
Westwood, Adomah and Looks and that's about it. Second best for most of it. Fair result
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we're back!
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I blame Rudy. Shit performance and the game seemed to turn on one of his woeful passes
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Fuck sake I really thought we'd get something from this, and we bossed most of the game. Created precious little though and mistakes cost us. I'm not a fan of Kodjia out wide, and both he and Adomah ran into dead ends all day. Midfield was poor again.
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I thought we played really well for the great majority of the match.Not at all concerned.
We go again!
Leeds and ourselves will make the play offs.