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Is it too soon for this? Apologies if so.
If not, then can I kick us off with this done deal for Yaya Toure?
http://sportrelated.net/07fb35fa17d7
I can't think of a single obstacle to us getting this over the line with minimal fuss. The source is impeccable.
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Get the fucking birthday cake now!
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Is it too soon for this? Apologies if so.
If not, then can I kick us off with this done deal for Yaya Toure?
http://sportrelated.net/07fb35fa17d7
I can't think of a single obstacle to us getting this over the line with minimal fuss. The source is impeccable.
That's the epitomy of a marquee signing.
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Fuxk off, it's Bonfire night!
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With Lambert snapping up Westwood for the dog heads, we'll need cover so I can see this one coming off.
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Ashley Young. :D
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With Lambert snapping up Westwood for the dog heads, we'll need cover so I can see this one coming off.
Exactly. A like-for-like replacement, and he's available.
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Evening. Tried raising this topic myself the other night because everyone is glibly saying Bruce should be able to strengthen midfield with a play-maker, or a destroyer, or a clever passer……..but no-one knows who those players could be !
All of those types would add strength that we absolutely have a crying need for. Think of those who have passed this way in our shirts. We need an “out-ball “ player who isn’t afraid of the opposition and can run box-to-box for 95 minutes !
We need another Delph, another Milner, Platt, Taylor, Davis, Whittingham, Albrighton, Gana (dare I say )…………..but I don’t see anyone like that fighting to get game-time in a Prem squad at the moment. So should we take a punt on another crop of foreigners who take ages to settle ? Can’t do that in January !
They have to be ready to rock and roll……………but any ideas as to who they might be ??
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More chance of Delph!
I do wonder who we'll get, I think it'll be limited to loans as we've got more than enough players permanently.
A winger and a midfield player. Maybe a centre-half too if there's anyone he really wants.
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It will be far easier to recruit the right players if we are winning games and looking like a club going somewhere. Part of our problem for the last few years is that we've been the Last Chance Saloon.
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Have we been linked with Alex Bruce yet?
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I wouldn't touch Toure with a barge pole. When you have a shit attitude playing for a side competing for trophies while earning £200K+ a week I dread to think what it would be like in division 2.
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A new thread has been set up for January transfer rumours and it's gone from Yaya Toure to Alex Bruce within the first page. Only the Villa.
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Any funds we have should be used purely for midfield.
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and up front if we are loosing people to the ACN? - Rudy hasn't done anything since August and Gabflab shouldn't be anywhere near the first team squad.
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Any funds we have should be used purely for midfield.
We need another defender as well.
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One player I can see us going for is Cairney at Fulham. Especially with rumours we are looking for left side reinforcements. Was former player at Hull also
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Not sure which teams qualified but could be losing Adomah, Ayew, Gestede and Kodjia for the ACN in January. A team minus them still looks OKish but any injuries on top and we become pretty ramshackle.
I think we have enough up top, even with Adomah, Ayew and Gestede gone. With McCormack, with Gabby fit (yeah I hate him but he could do a job), and Rushian to get a chance we still have more than most. Problem is we would have to set the formation up differently, and lack the midfielders to do it.
Need variety in midfield, pace running, and power. No idea who though. Be nice if Tsibola stepped up.
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One player I can see us going for is Cairney at Fulham. Especially with rumours we are looking for left side reinforcements. Was former player at Hull also
I was gong to mention him. Bruce said in his press conference before the Fulham game that he was a 'very very good player' and he did look decent against Brentford the other night. I reckon he'll bring in another centre half as well.
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Not sure which teams qualified but could be losing Adomah, Ayew, Gestede and Kodjia for the ACN in January. A team minus them still looks OKish but any injuries on top and we become pretty ramshackle.
Benin didn't qualify and Adomah hasn't been called up by Ghana in nearly a year and a half.
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and up front if we are loosing people to the ACN? - Rudy hasn't done anything since August and Gabflab shouldn't be anywhere near the first team squad.
I'm glad you brought the ACN up. Yaya Toure will be going as well, we'll probably have to get another midfielder in at the same time. I've been watching Hazard at Chelsea recently. He might fit the bill.
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and up front if we are loosing people to the ACN? - Rudy hasn't done anything since August and Gabflab shouldn't be anywhere near the first team squad.
I'm glad you brought the ACN up. Yaya Toure will be going as well, we'll probably have to get another midfielder in at the same time. I've been watching Hazard at Chelsea recently. He might fit the bill.
As long as your'e referring to Mickey Hazard we have a chance.
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With Lambert snapping up Westwood for the dog heads, we'll need cover so I can see this one coming off.
I think Westwood will be off in Jan alright, getting booed coming on to the pitch for us is ridiculous
Bruce has signed Elmohamady a few times, might be available on cheap to give us cover on right
Delph if we could get him fit for the second half of the season would be ideal on loan
His ability to run with the ball from midfield would dominate the division
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There's more chance of Yaya than Delph.
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If Deph is available on loan there will be plenty of takers in the Premier League.
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yes but his heart belongs to B6 as everyone knows
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yes but his heart belongs to B6 as everyone knows
There might be a bit more to his exit story than people think
Wasn't it being suggested that Fox was keen to cash in on him for a finish?
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yes but his heart belongs to B6 as everyone knows
There might be a bit more to his exit story than people think
Wasn't it being suggested that Fox was keen to cash in on him for a finish?
I have thought this for a long time now!
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yes but his heart belongs to B6 as everyone knows
There might be a bit more to his exit story than people think
Wasn't it being suggested that Fox was keen to cash in on him for a finish?
Seriously, he was offered the chance to triple his wages at the world's richest club, who are at the top end of the table and in the Champions League. There's really no need to imagine subterfuge behind the scenes at Villa to explain his departure.
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Now or never for Jay Spearing and Leon Osman.
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Delph would be ideal on loan. He knows the club. Would Brucie give him a clean slate?
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Delph would be ideal on loan. He knows the club. Would Brucie give him a clean slate?
Wouldn't want him anywhere near the club.
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No doubts we will be linked with lots of ex Bruce players but in our position, I wouldn't mind Cattermole or Huddleston.
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No doubts we will be linked with lots of ex Bruce players but in our position, I wouldn't mind Cattermole or Huddleston.
Huddlestone would be a mistake, we lack pace as it is in the middle, and Cattermole is just fucking shite.
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We were thinking the same about Jedinak a couple of weeks ago! 😜 I wonder if we might go in for Robbie Brady. He's probably shit too though. In fact, they're all shit. Let's keep what we've got. Five games unbeaten after all.
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Huddlestone and Cattetmole are shite though, not what we need at all.
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Cattermole is crap and a twat. Huddlestone is okay at passing but a 30 year old fat midfielder that rarely scores and is slower than Jedinak wouldn't be top of my shopping list.
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Cattermole is crap and a twat. Huddlestone is okay at passing but a 30 year old fat midfielder that rarely scores and is slower than Jedinak wouldn't be top of my shopping list.
Agree PWS and we don't need that type of midfielder anyway. We need a bit of mobility and energy in there and seeing as we are going memory lane with Delph, Ian Taylor and Lee Hendrie would be exactly the type of midfielders we need.
I think we were linked with him a while back when he was at Charlton, but Dale Stephens at Brighton seems to be attracting a lot of interest. Not sure he would leave Brighton for us at this point, but I think that is the type of player we should be looking at.
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yes but his heart belongs to B6 as everyone knows
There might be a bit more to his exit story than people think
Wasn't it being suggested that Fox was keen to cash in on him for a finish?
Seriously, he was offered the chance to triple his wages at the world's richest club, who are at the top end of the table and in the Champions League. There's really no need to imagine subterfuge behind the scenes at Villa to explain his departure.
No problem with his decision to go there, I just still can't work out why he behaved the way and said the things he did.
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Ben watson watford Darren Gibson from Everton honest bruce type players and aron Lennon and callum McMahonon all for midfield / wide competition.
Throw in loan of nugent and Grabban up front for cover of players on African nations got decent and capable set of players .
All not getting game time and all would benefit from moving and are good enough at championship level
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Now or never for Jay Spearing and Leon Osman.
Spearing not good enough at championship level relegated with Bolton
osman could be decent but fear a little old. I prefer Lennon and Gibson hungry players wanting some action from premier league clubs.
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No doubts we will be linked with lots of ex Bruce players but in our position, I wouldn't mind Cattermole or Huddleston.
Huddlestone would be a mistake, we lack pace as it is in the middle, and Cattermole is just fucking shite.
From hull Bruce old club I could see David Meyler and Maloney come as neither playing and Bruce likes both of them . Meyler solid pro add to midfield with beef and international been unlucky with injuries in past. Bruce knows him from Sunderland then brought him to hull. I expect to see him coming over to villa and is better than Westwood maybe a deal of swaps !
Maloney knows the villa brings some creativity and flair
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I would like a central midfielder with a bit of pace and strength. If they're good at cheating then that's a bonus
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Shaun Maloney? A pudgier Carles Gil.
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Shaun Maloney? A pudgier Carles Gil.
wel if Grealish Ayew and Mcormick get injured he would be ideal
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Shaun Maloney? A pudgier Carles Gil.
Maloney would do ajob short term loan like Robbie Keane.during African nations.
What do you think of meyler an Irish international played for Bruce twice Sunderland and hull could see him being brought in
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Shaun Maloney? A pudgier Carles Gil.
wel if Grealish Ayew and Mcormick get injured he would be ideal
They all get suspended! But yeah injured too
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Saw Ben Watson on the bench for Watford today and thought he might be a possibility. I think Bruce took him to Wigan.
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Sure Bruce will want to add depth to centre mid & centre defence - hopefully a loan for a decent right back whilst de Laet is injured also!
Also fully expect RHM to sign a new contract over next few weeks, sure Bruce will promise him a loan move once Ayew &/or Kodjia are back from ACN. He is the player who has really lost out with the emergency loan window not being in operation this season.
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Now or never for Jay Spearing and Leon Osman.
Spearing not good enough at championship level relegated with Bolton
It's now or never for Jozy Altidore.
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It's time to go all in. Benni McCarthy and Juninho please
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I could see us raiding MLS for loans cover for African Nations players plus maybe 2 big signing.
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I could see us raiding MLS for loans cover for African Nations players plus maybe 2 big signing.
I'll take Pirlo, Villa and Robbie Keane...
As for a big signing I think Adebayo Akinfenwa would definitely class as 2 big signings!
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It's time to go all in. Benni McCarthy and Juninho please
What? No Rickie Lambert?
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Say it quietly in case scouts from other clubs are lurking but theres a midfielder named Carlton Palmer that would improve us no end.
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Say it quietly in case scouts from other clubs are lurking but theres a midfielder named Carlton Palmer that would improve us no end.
Could see him linking up well with Kevin Drinkell. Or David Speedie.
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Neil Webb or Peter Davenport. Although I hear Middlesbrough are in for the latter. He'd be fucking mad to go there, though.
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Neil Webb or Peter Davenport. Although I hear Middlesbrough are in for the latter. He'd be fucking mad to go there, though.
Davenport can rot in the chemical wilderness if talk of bringing Linekar back from Spain is to be believed.
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bumstead and spackman would be worth the entrance fee
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Seeing the burn he delivered to Hull, Fulham, etc I don't think we'll be shopping in the championship market.
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Say it quietly in case scouts from other clubs are lurking but theres a midfielder named Carlton Palmer that would improve us no end.
I had a chat with him in Shanghai 2 weeks ago and he is happy teaching PE at a school there.
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Say it quietly in case scouts from other clubs are lurking but theres a midfielder named Carlton Palmer that would improve us no end.
I had a chat with him in Shanghai 2 weeks ago and he is happy teaching PE at a school there.
i bet the kids get bored with running aroumd a lot with their eyes shut
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Hans Krankl and Steve Bull could be decent back up strikers.
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I hear Doug has a left back in his office called Roberto Carlos in his office Ready to sign.
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Is it too soon for this? Apologies if so.
If not, then can I kick us off with this done deal for Yaya Toure?
http://sportrelated.net/07fb35fa17d7
I can't think of a single obstacle to us getting this over the line with minimal fuss. The source is impeccable.
Is this even real?
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Hope not. Bit too precious for me, especially at £100k a week for a 33 year old
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I hear Doug has a left back in his office called Roberto Carlos in his office Ready to sign.
Probably turn out to be Don Amott 'King of Caravans'
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Jai Quitongo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3913110/Aston-Villa-track-Greenock-Morton-winger-Jai-Quitongo-amid-West-Ham-Crystal-Palace-Swansea-Wigan.html
Daryl Horgan
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/newcastle-the-latest-club-to-show-interest-in-daryl-horgan-as-rafa-benitez-sends-scouts-to-watch-dundalk-star-35190
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Mr Robinson's Quango?
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Joey Barton anyone ? Free agent as of tomorrow
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Joey Barton anyone ? Free agent as of tomorrow
Yes from me.
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Yes. Worthwhile on a short term deal.
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I could see him being a player Bruce would like but Xia wouldn't be keen on .
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He's just been signed on the sick with stress.
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If he was fit and it was a short term pay as you play deal, I'd take Barton
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As much as he is a ******, I would take Barton in a heartbeat.
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I don't even think he's that much of a C-word. He's done a lot to improve himself as a person (from a low base) and I admire that.
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We seemed to have finally built a decent team spirit so the last thing we need is a Jonny big spuds like Barton.
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He was a key player for the team that won this league last year, and we're not only exactly spoiled for choice in his position.
He could be 47 and he'd still be a better player than Westwood.
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He was a key player for the team that won this league last year, and we're not only exactly spoiled for choice in his position.
He could be 47 and he'd still be a better player than Westwood.
Being better than Westwood doesn't rule out many midfielders with two functioning legs though.
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He was a key player for the team that won this league last year, and we're not only exactly spoiled for choice in his position.
He could be 47 and he'd still be a better player than Westwood.
Being better than Westwood doesn't rule out many midfielders with two functioning legs though.
I'd be pretty sure of myself to say he would be the best player available for fuck all between now and the summer.
I'd take him, we'd still have room to bring in another in Jan.
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Sorry, but the thought of Joey Barton pulling on a Villa shirt just turns my stomach.
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He has barely played recently - in the few games he did play early in the season he was awful according to the papers (in the Scottish Premier) and is currently signed off for stress. By the time he would be up to speed, the transfer window would be open again.
In the last four years (leaving aside the early days of his career), he has been punished for headbutting someone, a deliberate elbow (headbutting and kicking two others on the way off), describing someone as an 'overweight ladyboy', going over the top in a dressing room argument and now under investigation for betting irregularities.
Of the six clubs he has played for in his career, five of them have ended up disciplining him and getting rid.
A player not-match fit and signed off for stress, with a track record including recently of pissing off his teammates, with a possible impending punishment for gambling irregularities. Not for me thanks.
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He has barely played recently - in the few games he did play early in the season he was awful according to the papers (in the Scottish Premier) and is currently signed off for stress. By the time he would be up to speed, the transfer window would be open again.
In the last four years (leaving aside the early days of his career), he has been punished for headbutting someone, a deliberate elbow (headbutting and kicking two others on the way off), describing someone as an 'overweight ladyboy', going over the top in a dressing room argument and now under investigation for betting irregularities.
Of the six clubs he has played for in his career, five of them have ended up disciplining him and getting rid.
A player not-match fit and signed off for stress, with a track record including recently of pissing off his teammates, with a possible impending punishment for gambling irregularities. Not for me thanks.
Yes, but apart from that?
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He has barely played recently - in the few games he did play early in the season he was awful according to the papers (in the Scottish Premier) and is currently signed off for stress. By the time he would be up to speed, the transfer window would be open again.
In the last four years (leaving aside the early days of his career), he has been punished for headbutting someone, a deliberate elbow (headbutting and kicking two others on the way off), describing someone as an 'overweight ladyboy', going over the top in a dressing room argument and now under investigation for betting irregularities.
Of the six clubs he has played for in his career, five of them have ended up disciplining him and getting rid.
A player not-match fit and signed off for stress, with a track record including recently of pissing off his teammates, with a possible impending punishment for gambling irregularities. Not for me thanks.
Yes, but apart from that?
Apart from that, I think he's great.
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Sorry, but the thought of Joey Barton pulling on a Villa shirt just turns my stomach.
Yes the same for me, a loathsome person
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Regardless of how shit we are on the pitch, we as a club will always be above having the likes of Joey Barton playing for us. A future sha player if ever there was one.
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I'm sure he won't be short of suitors, particularly outside of a transfer window but I hope we're not one of them.
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No thanks. Barton is 34 now, surely past it?
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Barton, if he could do the job he did for Burnley in the Championship then great, but unfortunately like Jedinak I think that father time has caught up with him and he wont have the stamina / pace to get around the pitch
So as Simon would say "it is a NO from me"
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No no no, wake up everyone! We still have some standards...
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Barton, if he could do the job he did for Burnley in the Championship then great, but unfortunately like Jedinak I think that father time has caught up with him and he wont have the stamina / pace to get around the pitch
So as Simon would say "it is a NO from me"
But then, if like Jedinak, he might have a ropey first couple of games before starting to look like a vital player.
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He was a key player for the team that won this league last year, and we're not only exactly spoiled for choice in his position.
He could be 47 and he'd still be a better player than Westwood.
Being better than Westwood doesn't rule out many midfielders with two functioning legs though.
Or most members of the animal kingdom, for that matter.
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Sorry, but the thought of Joey Barton pulling on a Villa shirt just turns my stomach.
I thought the same about Flabby and he got cheered! Not by me I must add.
I'd welcome Barton because he has done it at Burnley and was doing it at Rangers. He'd be fine under Bruce.
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He wasn't doing it at rangers, he was off the pace and nothing like he was last season at Burnley.
I don't want him here, he could well disrupt and destroy any team spirit that we have built up under Bruce.
By the time he gets fit it will be January, when we can buy someone of a better class of player and person.
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Troublemaker. Avoid.
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We wont be going anywhere near Barton. We have money to spend and there are plentyof 3-6m rated players in the prem that would join us and do a better job.
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according to Pat Murphy - Barton is a No, but we wont be buying any players in January due to FFP
I hope we are looking for a couple of loans if that is the case?
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Other than him being a tool of the highest order and his disruption of the dressing room, isn't he also a bit....you know......shit.
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according to Pat Murphy - Barton is a No, but we wont be buying any players in January due to FFP
I hope we are looking for a couple of loans if that is the case?
Think Pat's wrong on this one.
Goes against Bruce saying he already knows who he wants to bring in. Plus we don't have FFP in year one of new ownership.
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Dwight 'Yorkie' Yorke as Director Of Football Operations anyone? The man bleeds Claret & Blue!
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A few current C'ship stars mentioned her (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/10/tammy-abraham-pontus-jansson-championship-most-eye-catching-players)e - none from B6.
The fella from Barnsley would defo be worth a shout, after having watched him earlier this season.
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Sorry, but the thought of Joey Barton pulling on a Villa shirt just turns my stomach.
What he said!
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Troublemaker. Avoid.
this all day. no thanks.
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David Villa and Andrea Pirlo on loan from MLS to cover for Ayew and Kodija at the ACN .
Villa in a Villa shirt.
It is written.
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Troublemaker. Avoid.
this all day. no thanks.
Aye. Thirded. He has been popping from club to club for a while now, I have yet to see many fans expressing regret he left.
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We wont be going anywhere near Barton. We have money to spend and there are plentyof 3-6m rated players in the prem that would join us and do a better job.
Not the kind of midfielder we need either. He is the sort who will sit in a defensive role, but we already have a few of that type. We need some legs in there and some attacking intent.
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Ashley Young on a free transfer is the one I'm seeing on facebook at the moment.
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Ashley Young on a free transfer is the one I'm seeing on facebook at the moment.
Surely a bit of click bait? He is quite a good utility player at manchester united, and would still be able to do a decent job at most prem clubs?
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Ashley Young on a free transfer is the one I'm seeing on facebook at the moment.
In our dreams.
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Ashley Young on a free transfer is the one I'm seeing on facebook at the moment.
In our dreams.
Money talks. Dr Xia could easily afford his wages.
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Ashley Young on a free transfer is the one I'm seeing on facebook at the moment.
In our dreams.
Money talks. Dr Xia could easily afford his wages.
As could every club in the Premier League if they wanted to.
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Young coming back to Villa would be no stranger than Downing going back to Middlesbrough last season.
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Apart from Downing being from the area and supporting the club.
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Linked with Jakupovic..
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Linked with Jakupovic..
I am alright then. I had an injection to immunise me against 5hat before visiting Africa the other year.
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Young coming back to Villa would be no stranger than Downing going back to Middlesbrough last season.
Apart from the fact that Young is being selectd by Mourinho. No chance is this happening.
Half the 1st Division would be after him before us.
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Quite happy to know Brucie is going after a keeper both he & Gary Walsh know, think Gollini needs a number 2 that can actually push him, Bunn is as poor a keeper as I've seen in a a Villa shirt.
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Quite happy to know Brucie is going after a keeper both he & Gary Walsh know, think Gollini needs a number 2 that can actually push him, Bunn is as poor a keeper as I've seen in a a Villa shirt.
Apologies if I missed it but who's the goalie that we're after?
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Quite happy to know Brucie is going after a keeper both he & Gary Walsh know, think Gollini needs a number 2 that can actually push him, Bunn is as poor a keeper as I've seen in a a Villa shirt.
Apologies if I missed it but who's the goalie that we're after?
Jakupovic from Hull
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/732111/Eldin-Jakupovic-Hull-City-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News
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Quite happy to know Brucie is going after a keeper both he & Gary Walsh know, think Gollini needs a number 2 that can actually push him, Bunn is as poor a keeper as I've seen in a a Villa shirt.
Apologies if I missed it but who's the goalie that we're after?
Jakupovic from Hull
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/732111/Eldin-Jakupovic-Hull-City-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News
Thanks mate. It was staring me in the face!
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I don't mind gollini. As much as he was chosen by Italian goal keeper coach defintely definitely has a solid and presence about him. Bunny however seemingly a diff breed and has really landed on in his feet of bum for the bench at being at our beloved club. I imagine he may well lead gabby astray at times but Is a character non the less. I would hope it's speculation and make do with gollini
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Well on first glance it's easier to shit in the Queens handbag than get parked up anywhere near Brighton town centre overnight without having to sell a kidney
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I think Gollini has improved
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Well on first glance it's easier to shit in the Queens handbag than get parked up anywhere near Brighton town centre overnight without having to sell a kidney
The Regency Square Car Park is the cheapest place to park.
https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/parking-and-travel/parking/regency-square-car-park (https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/parking-and-travel/parking/regency-square-car-park)
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Well on first glance it's easier to shit in the Queens handbag than get parked up anywhere near Brighton town centre overnight without having to sell a kidney
The Regency Square Car Park is the cheapest place to park.
https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/parking-and-travel/parking/regency-square-car-park (https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/parking-and-travel/parking/regency-square-car-park)
I think you may be in the wrong thread
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For once, there was actually some sense being talked on WM last night. Franksy suggested James Morrison from Albion would be a decent signing for us and Nigel Spink suggested David Meyler from Hull (think he was the one Pardew nutted!!). Both would be good signings in my opinion and just what we need in midfield.
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I've rated Morrison from the Bitters for a long while.
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For once, there was actually some sense being talked on WM last night. Franksy suggested James Morrison from Albion would be a decent signing for us and Nigel Spink suggested David Meyler from Hull (think he was the one Pardew nutted!!). Both would be good signings in my opinion and just what we need in midfield.
Bruce also signed Meyler for both Sunderland and Hull.
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For once, there was actually some sense being talked on WM last night. Franksy suggested James Morrison from Albion would be a decent signing for us and Nigel Spink suggested David Meyler from Hull (think he was the one Pardew nutted!!). Both would be good signings in my opinion and just what we need in midfield.
Bruce also signed Meyler for both Sunderland and Hull.
Yes myler is decent and worth it
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I think Gollini has improved
So do I. He's played really well for about 6 weeks.
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I think Gollini gets unfairly judged based on that Huddersfield deflection, which could have ended up absolutely anywhere, the only two goals that I think were directly his fault were Barnsleys equaliser and the one at Bristol City were he palmed it into the path for there player to score, he's made some bloody good saves in most of our games.
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Just read Frank Lampard Jr is looking to leaving New York City for coaching role.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37978249
I think Steve Bruce should offer him a role at Villa Park as player coach role. Perhaps a possible no 2.
What do you think ?
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I've always rated James Morrison though I don't know how he's been doing the last couple of years
A left footed midfielder would give us balance in midfield. I'm only going on reports but I wonder about bringing Daniel Johnson back
However, if we could stretch to someone who is premier league quality that would be great. I'm not sure any of our midfield currently is
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Just read Frank Lampard Jr is looking to leaving New York City for coaching role.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37978249
I think Steve Bruce should offer him a role at Villa Park as player coach role. Perhaps a possible no 2.
What do you think ?
Stick him in the midfield see if he can make up for all those goals he scored against us ;-)
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Just read Frank Lampard Jr is looking to leaving New York City for coaching role.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37978249
I think Steve Bruce should offer him a role at Villa Park as player coach role. Perhaps a possible no 2.
What do you think ?
An ex player with zero experience what could possibly go wrong?
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I think Gollini gets unfairly judged based on that Huddersfield deflection, which could have ended up absolutely anywhere, the only two goals that I think were directly his fault were Barnsleys equaliser and the one at Bristol City were he palmed it into the path for there player to score, he's made some bloody good saves in most of our games.
The Huddersfield goal for me wasn't his fault. Elphick had so much time to clear it out.
I think he's got potential but we needed an experienced keeper in the summer. It seemed a strange decision at the time by Di Matteo to make a 21 year old keeper our number one. David Marshall at Cardiff now Hull would have been a good shout for me.
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Young coming back to Villa would be no stranger than Downing going back to Middlesbrough last season.
Apart from the fact that Young is being selectd by Mourinho. No chance is this happening.
Half the 1st Division would be after him before us.
Keep this one up our sleeve for next season depending on what division we're in.
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Just noticed a tweet linking us to former Frigg striker Ola Kamara, currently playing for Columbus Crew. Winter loan being mentioned.
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Just noticed a tweet linking us to former Frigg striker Ola Kamara, currently playing for Columbus Crew. Winter loan being mentioned.
Who?
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Just noticed a tweet linking us to former Frigg striker Ola Kamara, currently playing for Columbus Crew. Winter loan being mentioned.
Who?
Friggin hell.
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Just noticed a tweet linking us to former Frigg striker Ola Kamara, currently playing for Columbus Crew. Winter loan being mentioned.
Who?
Friggin hell.
Decent he's like kodja and upgrade on altidire as we all now call him after his fall from grace
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Just noticed a tweet linking us to former Frigg striker Ola Kamara, currently playing for Columbus Crew. Winter loan being mentioned.
Midfield is definitely more of a priority, but I still think we could do with a centre forward, especially if we do get promoted. The more I see of him, the mord I think that Kodjia is a wide forward, which only really leaves Gestede and Gabby as out and out centre forwards.
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Think we need some cover at centre back as well - especially for Baker. When the inevitable injuries and suspensions kick in we've got Elphick to cover for Chester but with Clark leaving we've got no cover for Baker on the left. Difficult to sign anyone decent just for cover though.
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Suppose we have Richards as cover when he gets back from injury.
Central midfield still looks like the weak spot, although losing Kodija and Ayew will be a blow. I take it Benin didn't qualify?
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And just because it hasn't been mentioned in the last few posts, the one that has been floating around for years deserves a mention:
I think we could do with a new right back
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Suppose we have Richards as cover when he gets back from injury.
Central midfield still looks like the weak spot, although losing Kodija and Ayew will be a blow. I take it Benin didn't qualify?
Trouble is both Elphick and Richards are right footed and I'm a big fan of having a right footer on the right and left footer on the left for cover. Agree that central midfield is the priority. Don't think he'll go for a right back - Bacuna has done well there and Hutton can cover until de Laet is back. And you're right - Benin didn't qualify so we still have Gestede but think he may go for a loan up top.
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Weren't we linked with Jordan Rhodes the other day?
He's hardly playing at Boro so I'd say he's a near cert to drop down to the championship to play some games again.
Just wonder if he's a bit too much like McCormack...we sign him as he apparently guarantees goals....but we quickly realise we can't really fit into the team and so he loses confidence and stops scoring.
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We've got enough squad options upfront. But it might mean changing the way we play. McCormack can't play in a three and I don't reckon gestede is great on his own.
How many games are they likely to miss?
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They mentioned Kayal? last night, Brighton attacking midfielder.
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Does FFP mean we're very limited (unless we can sell someone)?
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Does FFP mean we're very limited (unless we can sell someone)?
There's always the option of ignoring FFP and taking the piddly little fine like Bournemouth and Middlesbrough did.
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Been impressed with Hourihane at Barnsley anytime I have seen him. Type of traditional central midfielder who can do a bit of everything, think he has already weighed in with quite a few goals and assists this season. He's out of contract in the summer too, so Barnsley might take £4-5 million. Easily worth that, in a world where Jeff Hendrick is worth in excess of £10 million.
Meyler and Kayal would be an upgrade on Westwood too (not hard, I guess). Horgan at Dundalk looks like one who could make the switch to a higher level of football, but unless Ayew leaves this Jan, I'd say we're covered for wide options.
I would have said that we are more than covered for forward options un'all, but with Bruce seemingly keen on Gabby leading the line over Gestede, Kodja and the rest, perhaps that is one we need to revisit. Plenty of endeavor from Gabby last night, but he looked like a Sunday League footballer. In conditioning, movement and ability. Simply trying for the first time in years shouldn't be enough to play for Aston Villa. He'll depart with my very best wishes if he wants to get his career back on track at Walsall or Tamworth. Our aim is to get back to the topflight. We shouldn't be a halfway house for chancers who have spunked their career away.
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Have to say I think Assambolanga is a terrific striker at this level.
He took the first one tonight at Ipswich superbly.
We were briefly linked to him over the summer but at the time he had been injured for a year...looks in good nick at the moment so wouldn't shock me if he's one SB looks at in January.
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Snodgrass at Hull is a good player...takes a good dead ball too. I'm sure he'd rather not be losing every week at a sinking Hull ship.
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Snodgrass at Hull is a good player...takes a good dead ball too. I'm sure he'd rather not be losing every week at a sinking Hull ship.
Ryan Mason too, I think he'd suit us perfectly in the middle.
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Snodgrass at Hull is a good player...takes a good dead ball too. I'm sure he'd rather not be losing every week at a sinking Hull ship.
As a big fan of Whizzer & Chips as a kid I'd love someone at Villa called Snodgrass.
(http://www.toonhound.com/pongo4.gif)
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Snodgrass at Hull is a good player...takes a good dead ball too. I'm sure he'd rather not be losing every week at a sinking Hull ship.
As a big fan of Whizzer & Chips as a kid I'd love someone at Villa called Snodgrass.
(http://www.toonhound.com/pongo4.gif)
Pongo Snodgrass was in Krazy comic first, then Cheeky Weekly. It was a sad day for me when Krazy comic merged with Whizzer and Chips.
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One paper today is linking us with Kieran Westwood, the Sheffield Wednesday keeper.
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One paper today is linking us with Kieran Westwood, the Sheffield Wednesday keeper.
Two Westwoods!!?? Oh the humanity!!!!
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We're also linked with Jordon Mutch
From the little I've seen he's decent at this level
But by god if we do get promoted we'll need to buy a whole new midfield. Would be nice to pick someone up who can push on to be premier league class
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Have to say I think Assambolanga is a terrific striker at this level.
He took the first one tonight at Ipswich superbly.
We were briefly linked to him over the summer but at the time he had been injured for a year...looks in good nick at the moment so wouldn't shock me if he's one SB looks at in January.
Whilst not the most critical of positions, another striker in January could make all the difference.
I disagree with most on here. I think that McCormack is a great striker at this level. However, he needs to play as a number 10 as he is not mobile enough to lead the line and/or make balls stick if it is pumped long.
Unfortunately, it looks highly unlikely that Bruce is going to play with a number 10. I would offer him in part ex for a more traditional number 9, freeing Kodjia to play in the wide role that seems to be working well. Failing that, I'd bite the bullet and try to get £8mil for him, to put towards a number 9.
As I said, I rate McCormack more than most but his game time is going to be limited under Bruce.
Neither Gabby nor Rudy are the answer up top and it is a position that we could improve on vastly, by juggling with McCormack.
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There's zero question McCormack is class at this level
But the post above sums it perfectly. He's a number 10 or nothing and I'm not sure we can afford the luxury
Having said that it wouldn't be the bigggest surprise to see him come in during January and be really effective
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http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/abel-hernandez-ready-to-quit-hull-city-for-aston-villa-say-reports/story-29919383-detail/story.html
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http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/abel-hernandez-ready-to-quit-hull-city-for-aston-villa-say-reports/story-29919383-detail/story.html
No!! £19million we were apparently willing to pay in the summer. You could build us a midfield and give the North Stand a power-hose and fine lick of paint for that.
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Yeah I reckon we dodged a bullet
Nakhi wells refusing to sign a contract and going for £8m. I'd rather look there
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Either of them would be a striker who's good at this level but not good enough if we go up, we have a lot of those players already.
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http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/abel-hernandez-ready-to-quit-hull-city-for-aston-villa-say-reports/story-29919383-detail/story.html
No!! £19million we were apparently willing to pay in the summer. You could build us a midfield and give the North Stand a power-hose and fine lick of paint for that.
He also turned us down, as confirmed by Dr Tony on his Twitter account. Apart from Bruce, I can't see what has changed since then?
Have to admit, I would love it to happen.
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http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/abel-hernandez-ready-to-quit-hull-city-for-aston-villa-say-reports/story-29919383-detail/story.html
No!! £19million we were apparently willing to pay in the summer. You could build us a midfield and give the North Stand a power-hose and fine lick of paint for that.
He also turned us down, as confirmed by Dr Tony on his Twitter account. Apart from Bruce, I can't see what has changed since then?
Have to admit, I would love it to happen.
He'd just be another striker we'd need to upgrade when we go back up.
Kodjia is a far superior version of the same player.
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http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/abel-hernandez-ready-to-quit-hull-city-for-aston-villa-say-reports/story-29919383-detail/story.html
No!! £19million we were apparently willing to pay in the summer. You could build us a midfield and give the North Stand a power-hose and fine lick of paint for that.
He also turned us down, as confirmed by Dr Tony on his Twitter account. Apart from Bruce, I can't see what has changed since then?
Have to admit, I would love it to happen.
He'd just be another striker we'd need to upgrade when we go back up.
Kodjia is a far superior version of the same player.
Possibly but I'd be happy to cross that bridge when we get to it. If any striker is currently good enough to play in the prem, he will probably choose to do so over us, given the chance.
I also like the idea of playing an out and out number 9 on his own up front with Kodjia playing wide. I think Kodjia is better in the wide position than alone up top (in my albeit limited games I've seen him play)
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I suggest a straight swap with Gestede as Hull will need him in the Championship next season.
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To Old Kodija:
In which case what would you do with Adomah and Ayew (and McCormack and Grealish)?
I think we have much greater priorities in the midfield. Adding another striker will just add to the waste in the squad.
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To Old Kodija:
In which case what would you do with Adomah and Ayew (and McCormack and Grealish)?
I think we have much greater priorities in the midfield. Adding another striker will just add to the waste in the squad.
I would start something like we did on Friday night, replacing Gabby with Hernandez.
I've said previously, number 9 isn't the most critical of positions for us but if we got the chance to upgrade then I'd take it.
Neither Ayew, Grealish or McCormack are out and out number 9s so bringing in Hernandez would improve us. Given what we have, I would probably start with Ayew up top but it wouldn't be perfect.
As for midfield, one real leader in there in January would be fine by me. I'd also have Tishibola in there.
Adding another striker who scores goals would be anything but a waste in the squad and could mean the difference between 1 & 3 points, especially if we are getting decent deliveries into the box from the likes of Adomah and Amavi.
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Our struggles to score goals this season has led us to getting one point rather than all three many times this season already.
When considering whether a player can step up a division, it's overlooking the aspect that the whole is better than the sum of it's parts. If we start to build up a good cohesive team, that side can provide the basis to a Premier League side and we can then look to add some additional quality in the right places.
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Hernandez was taking the piss with wage demands in the summer. I don't see that one happening at all.
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The reason why we are struggling to score goals is not because of the strikers. It is our failure to create good chances from midfield and more importantly, keeping pressure on the opposition defence by a dominant midfield.
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The reason why we are struggling to score goals is not because of the strikers. It is our failure to create good chances from midfield and more importantly, keeping pressure on the opposition defence by a dominant midfield.
I disagree. We've created loads of chances in most games this season. If the strikers had been sharper RDM would probably still be in a job.
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http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/abel-hernandez-ready-to-quit-hull-city-for-aston-villa-say-reports/story-29919383-detail/story.html
No!! £19million we were apparently willing to pay in the summer. You could build us a midfield and give the North Stand a power-hose and fine lick of paint for that.
He also turned us down, as confirmed by Dr Tony on his Twitter account. Apart from Bruce, I can't see what has changed since then?
Have to admit, I would love it to happen.
As you mention the change and big deciding factor could be the appointment of Bruce and their relationship (and of course further developments at Hull e.g. Hull's form /cash available for other transfers etc). Hull have only scored 10 times in 12 games (worst in PL) whilst conceding 27. They can't score and can't stop conceding - they're in the shit!
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The reason why we are struggling to score goals is not because of the strikers. It is our failure to create good chances from midfield and more importantly, keeping pressure on the opposition defence by a dominant midfield.
Agree to a point, but I think a striker who can hold the ball up, bring others into play and get on the end of things in box would really bring the team together. There would probably be takers in the Premier League, but Shane Long would be a good shout. I still think central midfield is the priority, but a centre forward like the one previously mentioned might bring it all together.
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I would rather use the money for midfield and defenders as we got enough attacking players. If we find top quality attacking players that fine. We don't need more strikers apart from on loan.
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I would rather use the money for midfield and defenders as we got enough attacking players. If we find top quality attacking players that fine. We don't need more strikers apart from on loan.
We have got a number of attacking players, but if we continue with the same formation and playing one striker, we have only really got Gestede and Agbonlahor who can play that role. Bruce doesn't seem to fancy Gestede and Agbonlahor is unreliable at best, so it would not surprise me if we were after a striker in January.
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I think he'll bring a couple of midfielders in January. It would be a lot to ask the current preferred three of Jedinak, Westwood and Gardner to get through next 30 games or so without any back up. I think we might see another centre half in as well.
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I also seem to recall Dr Tony stating that they had striker contingency plans for the ACON in January, so it would not be beyond the realms of reality to see another striker signed.
I think that with 2 x RBs, 2 x LBs and 4 x CBs, with a large combined total of PL game experience, that Bruce may stick as far as the defence is concerned.
The midfield needs an addition but it has to be the right addition. I am 99% certain that Bruce will have 1 or 2 in mind already. We do have cover in midfield and if we were to be chasing a game, I'd expect a Grealish or an Ayew to be bought on in any case.
For me, the more I think about it, the more I think a number 9 would galvanize us. We play differently to someone like Newcastle who played on Sunday with Gayle as a lone striker. We don't get the players into the box as they do, our style is different (although ever improving). A presence as well as someone who can score goals would make all the difference. Gabby, Gestede or Hernandez would be a no brainer for me.
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I would rather use the money for midfield and defenders as we got enough attacking players. If we find top quality attacking players that fine. We don't need more strikers apart from on loan.
We have got a number of attacking players, but if we continue with the same formation and playing one striker, we have only really got Gestede and Agbonlahor who can play that role.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Kodjia scored 20 goals for Bristol City last season playing for the most part as a central striker. So I think it's safe to say that he can play there if asked.
I'd have no concerns about him there with two or three of Grealish, McCormack, Adomah and Ayew tucked in behind
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I would like a couple of midfielders to come in January.
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Let's wait until the summer for a striker as with our promotion and Palaces relegation we can have Benteke back (huge winky thing)
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I would rather use the money for midfield and defenders as we got enough attacking players. If we find top quality attacking players that fine. We don't need more strikers apart from on loan.
We have got a number of attacking players, but if we continue with the same formation and playing one striker, we have only really got Gestede and Agbonlahor who can play that role.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Kodjia scored 20 goals for Bristol City last season playing for the most part as a central striker. So I think it's safe to say that he can play there if asked.
I'd have no concerns about him there with two or three of Grealish, McCormack, Adomah and Ayew tucked in behind
From what I have seen so far though Dave, Kodjia just isn't that type of striker and the balanced of the side isn't gonna to be right with him playing up front on his own.
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I would rather use the money for midfield and defenders as we got enough attacking players. If we find top quality attacking players that fine. We don't need more strikers apart from on loan.
We have got a number of attacking players, but if we continue with the same formation and playing one striker, we have only really got Gestede and Agbonlahor who can play that role.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Kodjia scored 20 goals for Bristol City last season playing for the most part as a central striker. So I think it's safe to say that he can play there if asked.
I'd have no concerns about him there with two or three of Grealish, McCormack, Adomah and Ayew tucked in behind
From what I have seen so far though Dave, Kodjia just isn't that type of striker and the balanced of the side isn't gonna to be right with him playing up front on his own.
I'm not sure that how he looked in that position in Di Matteo's daft 4-1-5 formation is the best way of assessing how he might play there under the current with-a-real-actual-plan version.
I've got no problem getting a better striker and keeping him wide when that happens, but while the alternative is Gabby, get Kodjia in the centre and find spots for Grealish and Ayew for me.
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Couldn't agree more Dave
I do think kodjia has his limitations as a 9. But I'm hoping the final 25 mins v Brighton will make Bruce realise just how much more quality ayew and jack have than gabby (and Gardner)
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If Hernandez was available for a more realistic fee now, it might be worth looking at. But TBH, I'd prefer us to look for a player who is good enough today and would potentially be good enough to grow with us in the top flight.
Someone like David Selke at Leipzig, who has something ridiculous like 20 goals in 30 games for the German U20s. From the bit I have seen of him, he looks like a cross between Carew and Crouch. I'd expect the bigger clubs in Germany and beyond to be in for him first, but he hasn't been a guaranteed starter for Leipzig in the top flight this year, so who knows.
We could do a lot worse than Mitchell Weiser at Hertha Berlin for the right back spot too. Similar to Amavi, in that he can play full-back and wide midfield. Though probably not realistic for where we are at present.
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Gagey, you have Bundesliga on the brain.
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Gagey, you have Bundesliga on the brain.
A condition caused by spending too much time at the German (transfer) Market I believe
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Stefan Beinliched beyond all recognition.
The Gage household still thinks it's 1993, complete with mullet hair don't's and unconvincing bum fluff beards.
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Stefan Beinliched beyond all recognition.
The Gage household still thinks it's 1993, complete with mullet hair don't's and unconvincing bum fluff beards.
Or even Matthias Breitkreutzed beyond all recognition ?...........Godzvilla!
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I would rather use the money for midfield and defenders as we got enough attacking players. If we find top quality attacking players that fine. We don't need more strikers apart from on loan.
We have got a number of attacking players, but if we continue with the same formation and playing one striker, we have only really got Gestede and Agbonlahor who can play that role.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Kodjia scored 20 goals for Bristol City last season playing for the most part as a central striker. So I think it's safe to say that he can play there if asked.
I'd have no concerns about him there with two or three of Grealish, McCormack, Adomah and Ayew tucked in behind
From what I have seen so far though Dave, Kodjia just isn't that type of striker and the balanced of the side isn't gonna to be right with him playing up front on his own.
I'm not sure that how he looked in that position in Di Matteo's daft 4-1-5 formation is the best way of assessing how he might play there under the current with-a-real-actual-plan version.
I've got no problem getting a better striker and keeping him wide when that happens, but while the alternative is Gabby, get Kodjia in the centre and find spots for Grealish and Ayew for me.
Fair point Dave, but I see him more as a wide forward or a centre forward in a front two. He likes to drop deep and drift out wide, which is a bit of a problem if he is playing up on his own. On paper, an attacking unit of Grealish, Ayew, Adomah and Kodjia looks good, but my concern would be that there isn't a focal point there. I think that is why we have seen Agbonlahor feature recently.
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Stefan Beinliched beyond all recognition.
The Gage household still thinks it's 1993, complete with mullet hair don't's and unconvincing bum fluff beards.
Are you sure you are watching German football and not German porn?
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Stefan Beinliched beyond all recognition.
The Gage household still thinks it's 1993, complete with mullet hair don't's and unconvincing bum fluff beards.
Are you sure you are watching German football and not German porn?
Live TV's finest?
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Stefan Beinliched beyond all recognition.
The Gage household still thinks it's 1993, complete with mullet hair don't's and unconvincing bum fluff beards.
Are you sure you are watching German football and not German porn?
A little from section A, a little from section B.
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Aston Villa are preparing an offer for Ludogorets' 25-year-old Brazilian winger Jonathan Cafu. (Sportal, via Birmingham Mail)
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Aston Villa are preparing an offer for Ludogorets' 25-year-old Brazilian winger Jonathan Cafu. (Sportal, via Birmingham Mail)
But we already have one Cafu.
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Aston Villa are preparing an offer for Ludogorets' 25-year-old Brazilian winger Jonathan Cafu. (Sportal, via Birmingham Mail)
But we already have one Cafu.
Unfortunately not Brazilian!
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Couple of bloody nice goals in that show reel to be fair.
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make sure your volume is low if are going to watch this with kids around. Or ideally turn it off completely.
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make sure your volume is low if are going to watch this with kids around. Or ideally turn it off completely.
Well said.
very likely the most unpleasant background music/son, to a football video that I've ever had the misfortune to have to endure.
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Hull and the bitters supposedly interested in Rudy in the Jan window. Talk of a Rudy/Hernandez swap. And Pulis offering £6m.
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Pulis can feck right off for £6m
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Hull and the bitters supposedly interested in Rudy in the Jan window. Talk of a Rudy/Hernandez swap. And Pulis offering £6m.
Of course Pulis is. What a joker!
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Increasing rumours that a team from the south of France based in a port famous for importing drugs have a hard-on for our left back and are preparing a bid/launching a raid and so on.
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Just as well Birmingham is landlocked then. Unless those pesky Marseille pirates utilise the canal network. The bastards.
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To improve the team my priorities would be a central midfielder and then - really oddly given as we've so many - maybe a striker. But I'd focus on the former
But I think Bruce will prioritise a backup keeper and centre back. We've only got three centre backs and two of them are currently carrying injuries. This has only really just occurred to me but I think that has to be the priority?
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We need a new right back. Hutton is too limited.
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If cafu was to come make sure the midfielder who played him in comes too
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We need a new right back. Hutton is too limited.
Bacuna would be a better bet at RB than Hutton. Is there any news on whether De Laet might make it back before the end of the season?
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We need a new right back. Hutton is too limited.
Bacuna would be a better bet at RB than Hutton. Is there any news on whether De Laet might make it back before the end of the season?
No. I read last week that Bruce expects him to be ready for pre season
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I don't think we should buy anyone.
the squad we have assembled still needs to bed in.
And are we buying for another season in the Champ, a PL relegation battle, or a side that can find PL mid table? The players needed are quite different.
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If cafu was to come make sure the midfielder who played him in comes too
I thought that too - caused chaos by running at defenders from deep and played 3 or 4 excellent through passes in those clips
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To improve the team my priorities would be a central midfielder and then - really oddly given as we've so many - maybe a striker. But I'd focus on the former
But I think Bruce will prioritise a backup keeper and centre back. We've only got three centre backs and two of them are currently carrying injuries. This has only really just occurred to me but I think that has to be the priority?
Alex Bruce will no doubt come in as a back up in central defence.
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If cafu was to come make sure the midfielder who played him in comes too
I thought that too - caused chaos by running at defenders from deep and played 3 or 4 excellent through passes in those clips
I haven't watched the video, but Jonathan Cafu is the winger not the full-back. It's obviously confusing given that his namesake and fellow countryman was a full-back, and Hutton is frequently referred to as the Scottish Cafu.
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I don't think we should buy anyone.
the squad we have assembled still needs to bed in.
And are we buying for another season in the Champ, a PL relegation battle, or a side that can find PL mid table? The players needed are quite different.
centre-half and a central midfielder are an absolute must.
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I don't think we should buy anyone.
the squad we have assembled still needs to bed in.
And are we buying for another season in the Champ, a PL relegation battle, or a side that can find PL mid table? The players needed are quite different.
We're buying for the Championship until we get the fuck out of it. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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A mate for Mile Jedinak, keeper and a centre half for me. If the central midfielder is of quality, we will be a real force to be reckoned with.
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A mate for Mile Jedinak, keeper and a centre half for me. If the central midfielder is of quality, we will be a real force to be reckoned with.
It's been pointed out on here that Bruce signed David Meyler for both Sunderland and Hull, so it wouldn't be a surprise to see him come here in January.
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Along with meyler and hernandez I think continued strategy of bringing in the 'best of the championship ' to improve squad.
Houraine the captain and midfielder at Barnsley - out of contract £ 2mil would do the job
Already had calderwood from brighton and thats a statement so can see as he coached them skalak at brighton.
Both midfield men have been mooted and can see deal for them.
Both have high assists from this season so far.
Also bring in Henry Lansbury forest and Gareth Mclearly reading and central defender Tom Clarke from Preston all would come and all would add to the squad.
Clarke
Meyler
Houraine
Lansbury
Skalak
Mcleary
Hernandez
3/4 of these be good value all of them great !
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If cafu was to come make sure the midfielder who played him in comes too
I thought that too - caused chaos by running at defenders from deep and played 3 or 4 excellent through passes in those clips
I haven't watched the video, but Jonathan Cafu is the winger not the full-back. It's obviously confusing given that his namesake and fellow countryman was a full-back, and Hutton is frequently referred to as the Scottish Cafu.
I thought Hutton was the Scottish 'Snafu" ???
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Would like to see us use the loan market come January, as Bruce has said, the prices are inflated in January and as good as it feels at the moment this team will need major investment for when we do go up in May.
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If Grealish can keep it going, we may actually be able to get away with just using the loan market to pick up a midfielder, rather than spunking a lot of cash - basically, just somebody who has the legs to keep us from being overrun in the middle and also be able to press upfield when required (given that Westwood did that particular task well enough against both Brighton and SHA, it's not that much of an ask as it sounds, I don't think), as opposed to the dominant all-rounder it seemed like we absolutely needed when RDM was still here.
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I'd go for Tom Carroll.
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I agree with a few others, loan in a midfielder and possibly a striker as ACN cover. I would however try to buy a young-ish central defender (Baker's age) who can then settle into the squad and get to know the rest of the defence and slowly work their way in. I think one of the big mistakes we've made repeatedly over the last few years is buying defenders and throwing them together and expecting them to form a defence from the off. I'd like a right back as well but if we get as midfielder it frees Bacuna up to move back there so we should be ok.
For midfield I'd go for someone like Loftus-Cheek, just on the edge of a top half of the premier league squad but with good energy and a few goals in them.
Up front given it's short term I'd try to get one of the top scorers from mls for a month or 2.
Then I'd put all the effort into finding a very good central defender from somewhere.
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Up front given it's short term I'd try to get one of the top scorers from mls for a month or 2.
http://www.fifa.com/live-scores/nationalleagues/nationalleague=usa-mls-2000000103/top-scorers/
Bradley Wright-Phillips ? (no work permit problems)
Can't see David Villa or Sebastian Giovinco coming (having seen him play in person for Toronto against DC, the latter is far to good for MLS)
How about the 9th top scorer in MLS..... Jozy Altidore
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
I reckon at least 14 teams in Serie A would take him in a flash.
He's unlikely to need a Championship playoff push to be noticed.
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
I reckon at least 14 teams in Serie A would take him in a flash.
He's unlikely to need a Championship playoff push to be noticed.
I know, but if you don't ask you don't get.
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Rhodes on loan would do the job wouldn't it? If we move Richards on then maybe there's a chance of a defensive loan too. Meyler seems like a good shout for the midfield.
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
I reckon at least 14 teams in Serie A would take him in a flash.
He's unlikely to need a Championship playoff push to be noticed.
I know, but if you don't ask you don't get.
Paul, there isn't a chance on earth he'd end up with us or anyone else in Championship or second tier of football in Europe. He's a tremendous player, an Italy squad member and worthy of a place in most sides in the top tier of England/Italy/Spain/Germany. Now in the summer, if we got promoted, then certainly worthy of revisiting, but I'll actually be really surprised if he isn't targeted by more established sides by then. Some of the stuff he does is simply superb, and the only thing that will keep him from a top side in my opinion is that he is doing it in MLS. But from what I have seen first hand he's good enough to come back to Europe and command a position at any number of sides competing at minimum in european club competition.
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Well if Allan Simonsen can join Charlton then we can pick up some internationally retired star from somewhere.
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Well if Allan Simonsen can join Charlton then we can pick up some internationally retired star from somewhere.
You might want to explain that one to the kids.
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Does anyone think Aron Gunnarsson (the number 17 from Saturday) may improve our midfield? I know he was annoying on Saturday but to do a job on Grealish, you have to be. I thought that he was possibly their best player.
He is current captain of Iceland (has been for around 4 years). Apart from that, his CV isn't great. Signed for Coventry in 2008, played 3 seasons for them, before joining Cardiff.
I've watched the opposing midfielders for most of the season, mindful that our midfield needs improving. We are unlikely to persuade a decent PL player to drop down, so realistically we will look to the Championship or abroad to bring someone in.
I thought Gunnarsson looked strong and had a good game. i'm not sure if this was his normal standard or not though. I haven't seen many better midfielders in this league. I thought the small ginger lad for Brentford did well against us (I think thet got him from Shrewsbury) but I liked Gunnarsson's presence on Saturday, I thought he'd compliment Jedinak.
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Is this Giovinco the guy that played for Arsenal and was awful?
Danny Ings doesn't seem to be getting many games.
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Does anyone think Aron Gunnarsson (the number 17 from Saturday) may improve our midfield? I know he was annoying on Saturday but to do a job on Grealish, you have to be. I thought that he was possibly their best player.
He is current captain of Iceland (has been for around 4 years). Apart from that, his CV isn't great. Signed for Coventry in 2008, played 3 seasons for them, before joining Cardiff.
I've watched the opposing midfielders for most of the season, mindful that our midfield needs improving. We are unlikely to persuade a decent PL player to drop down, so realistically we will look to the Championship or abroad to bring someone in.
I thought Gunnarsson looked strong and had a good game. i'm not sure if this was his normal standard or not though. I haven't seen many better midfielders in this league. I thought the small ginger lad for Brentford did well against us (I think thet got him from Shrewsbury) but I liked Gunnarsson's presence on Saturday, I thought he'd compliment Jedinak.
To be fair if you can't be 'up' for a game at Villa park - Danny murphy aside - then you will never amount to anything. His track record suggests there's less to him than saturday's eye was able to meet.
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
I reckon at least 14 teams in Serie A would take him in a flash.
He's unlikely to need a Championship playoff push to be noticed.
I know, but if you don't ask you don't get.
14 Italian sides couldn't afford him. We could.
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Is this Giovinco the guy that played for Arsenal and was awful?
Danny Ings doesn't seem to be getting many games.
No, you're thinking of Gervinho, and Danny Ings is out for the season again.
Other than that, good post.
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Does anyone think Aron Gunnarsson (the number 17 from Saturday) may improve our midfield? I know he was annoying on Saturday but to do a job on Grealish, you have to be. I thought that he was possibly their best player.
He is current captain of Iceland (has been for around 4 years). Apart from that, his CV isn't great. Signed for Coventry in 2008, played 3 seasons for them, before joining Cardiff.
I've watched the opposing midfielders for most of the season, mindful that our midfield needs improving. We are unlikely to persuade a decent PL player to drop down, so realistically we will look to the Championship or abroad to bring someone in.
I thought Gunnarsson looked strong and had a good game. i'm not sure if this was his normal standard or not though. I haven't seen many better midfielders in this league. I thought the small ginger lad for Brentford did well against us (I think thet got him from Shrewsbury) but I liked Gunnarsson's presence on Saturday, I thought he'd compliment Jedinak.
To be fair if you can't be 'up' for a game at Villa park - Danny murphy aside - then you will never amount to anything. His track record suggests there's less to him than saturday's eye was able to meet.
Yes, his track record isn't mouth watering. I still think he's one of the best opposing central midfielders that we've faced this season. Maybe playing at VP every week would make him up for it each week?
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Is this Giovinco the guy that played for Arsenal and was awful?
Danny Ings doesn't seem to be getting many games.
No, you're thinking of Gervinho, and Danny Ings is out for the season again.
Other than that, good post.
Arf...
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Is this Giovinco the guy that played for Arsenal and was awful?
Danny Ings doesn't seem to be getting many games.
No, you're thinking of Gervinho, and Danny Ings is out for the season again.
Other than that, good post.
Lol. My interest in football declined around the same time Villa did!
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
I reckon at least 14 teams in Serie A would take him in a flash.
He's unlikely to need a Championship playoff push to be noticed.
I know, but if you don't ask you don't get.
the only thing that will keep him from a top side in my opinion is that he is doing it in MLS.
That and the fact he's about 4' 3" tall. That doesn't bother me as I think he's a cracking player but I honestly think his size has put managers off him in the past. Probably why he ended up in MLS.
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
I reckon at least 14 teams in Serie A would take him in a flash.
He's unlikely to need a Championship playoff push to be noticed.
I know, but if you don't ask you don't get.
the only thing that will keep him from a top side in my opinion is that he is doing it in MLS.
That and the fact he's about 4' 3" tall. That doesn't bother me as I think he's a cracking player but I honestly think his size has put managers off him in the past. Probably why he ended up in MLS.
Playing for Toronto TimeBandits
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I think I'd try for Giovinco, you never know, he might agree that he's 'retired' to mls too early and see this as a chance to get a move back to europe.
I reckon at least 14 teams in Serie A would take him in a flash.
He's unlikely to need a Championship playoff push to be noticed.
I know, but if you don't ask you don't get.
the only thing that will keep him from a top side in my opinion is that he is doing it in MLS.
That and the fact he's about 4' 3" tall. That doesn't bother me as I think he's a cracking player but I honestly think his size has put managers off him in the past. Probably why he ended up in MLS.
Playing for Toronto TimeBandits
He'd be a giant in that outfit, and it is only a matter of time before the Edmonton Elves franchise is launched in Alberta.
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We need a new right back. Hutton is too limited.
Bacuna would be a better bet at RB than Hutton. Is there any news on whether De Laet might make it back before the end of the season?
No. I read last week that Bruce expects him to be ready for pre season
Yep in his presser on Friday said next pre season......massive blow
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Loftus Cheek is a good shout for a loan deal. If he is a good fit, I could see Chelsea letting us have him for the whole of next season too. He's played one game this season so not an unrealistic suggestion imo.
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Loftus Cheek is a good shout for a loan deal. If he is a good fit, I could see Chelsea letting us have him for the whole of next season too. He's played one game this season so not an unrealistic suggestion imo.
A loan deal for Notts County maybe, he has never shown anything at adult level really. Same for the "youngster" Tom Carroll, 24. Villa Park isn't the place for these.
I expect Bruce will be looking for proven performers at the level we are at. RB, CB and CM (left side) we are very light. Still reckon getting Richards out even on loan will be a challenge. Not sure about our forwards, would nearly hang on to all of them bar poor Kozak.
Bruce might be open to trading Gestede if his comments today are anything to go by but I'd keep him. Westwood is still playing a lot of minutes for us but would hardly blame him if he wanted out in Jan.
GK - most backup options in EPL are poor but Gollini needs strong experienced competition
RB - Byram, Cameron
CB - Cathcart, Collins, Delaney
LCM - Ledley, Meyler,
LB maybe on loan if over injuries would be Tyrone Mings, dominated at this level before and surely better backup than Cissokho
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Does anyone think Aron Gunnarsson (the number 17 from Saturday) may improve our midfield? I know he was annoying on Saturday but to do a job on Grealish, you have to be. I thought that he was possibly their best player.
He is current captain of Iceland (has been for around 4 years). Apart from that, his CV isn't great. Signed for Coventry in 2008, played 3 seasons for them, before joining Cardiff.
I've watched the opposing midfielders for most of the season, mindful that our midfield needs improving. We are unlikely to persuade a decent PL player to drop down, so realistically we will look to the Championship or abroad to bring someone in.
I thought Gunnarsson looked strong and had a good game. i'm not sure if this was his normal standard or not though. I haven't seen many better midfielders in this league. I thought the small ginger lad for Brentford did well against us (I think thet got him from Shrewsbury) but I liked Gunnarsson's presence on Saturday, I thought he'd compliment Jedinak.
To be fair if you can't be 'up' for a game at Villa park - Danny murphy aside - then you will never amount to anything. His track record suggests there's less to him than saturday's eye was able to meet.
Yes, his track record isn't mouth watering. I still think he's one of the best opposing central midfielders that we've faced this season. Maybe playing at VP every week would make him up for it each week?
Grealish made Gunnarsson look like a clogger who was trying to balance kicking lumps out of him while avoiding being sent off.
Grealish being arguably man of the match shows that he wasn't particuarly impressive in doing it either.
I'd be more inclined to look for someone who could contribute a bit more positively.
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Does anyone think Aron Gunnarsson (the number 17 from Saturday) may improve our midfield? I know he was annoying on Saturday but to do a job on Grealish, you have to be. I thought that he was possibly their best player.
He is current captain of Iceland (has been for around 4 years). Apart from that, his CV isn't great. Signed for Coventry in 2008, played 3 seasons for them, before joining Cardiff.
I've watched the opposing midfielders for most of the season, mindful that our midfield needs improving. We are unlikely to persuade a decent PL player to drop down, so realistically we will look to the Championship or abroad to bring someone in.
I thought Gunnarsson looked strong and had a good game. i'm not sure if this was his normal standard or not though. I haven't seen many better midfielders in this league. I thought the small ginger lad for Brentford did well against us (I think thet got him from Shrewsbury) but I liked Gunnarsson's presence on Saturday, I thought he'd compliment Jedinak.
To be fair if you can't be 'up' for a game at Villa park - Danny murphy aside - then you will never amount to anything. His track record suggests there's less to him than saturday's eye was able to meet.
Yes, his track record isn't mouth watering. I still think he's one of the best opposing central midfielders that we've faced this season. Maybe playing at VP every week would make him up for it each week?
Grealish made Gunnarsson look like a clogger who was trying to balance kicking lumps out of him while avoiding being sent off.
Grealish being arguably man of the match shows that he wasn't particuarly impressive in doing it either.
I'd be more inclined to look for someone who could contribute a bit more positively.
Using Grealish as the yardstick is not realistic. He is the most fouled player in the division and makes most players he's up against "look like a clogger".
For me, I think that a midfield pairing of Jedinak and Gunnarsson would be extremely solid, an improvement on either Westwood or Gardner.
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Best player i've seen against us this season was the ginger playing for Brentford.
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Best player i've seen against us this season was the ginger playing for Brentford.
Agreed and he always seems to be involved in their goals on channel 5's highlights show.
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Is this Giovinco the guy that played for Arsenal and was awful?
Danny Ings doesn't seem to be getting many games.
No, you're thinking of Gervinho, and Danny Ings is out for the season again.
Other than that, good post.
*childish giggle*
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The ginger lad at Brentford is Ryan Woods, who grew-up supporting Walsall, and was part of their youth set-up until 2009...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-meet-local-footballer-11890002
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Best player i've seen against us this season was the ginger playing for Brentford.
Ryan Woods? Thought he was excellent against us too - sure he was signed from Shrewsbury.
Houlihane from Barnsley has been getting all the reviews, watched a bit of the game v Leeds at weekend & the way he let the midfield runner go with no awareness was Westwood-esque in its hopelessness.
Personally my priority list would be;
- loan right back, one who can defend would be a massive upgrade on Hutton, one who can cross a ball would be a massive upgrade on Hutton. SB doesn't seem to fancy Bacuna at RB & we all know Richards isn't up to it.
- centre mid, we are light in there, Gardner/Westwood are squad players so a proper partner for Jedinak will add a dimension to our attacking play if we more solid down the spine.
- centre back, again we are at least one light here, obv SB is the man in know regarding CBs but I would suspect he would want a player who is better than Elphick to pressurise Baker for the spot alongside Chester.
- experienced keeper to put some genuine pressure on Gollini if his form drops at any time, we saw last season that when a GK doesn't have genuine competition they can lose focus, Guzan was playing like a clown for weeks before he was replaced by Bunn who is as inept a keeper as I've seen in my years watching from Spinky onwards.
Now Gabby appears to be back as part of the furniture I would suspect we'll go with Gestede, McCormack & Gabby with Green & RH-M as back up whilst ACN is on - now we have a proper manager hopefully he will incentivise Green & RH-M with loan moves once Kodjia & Ayew returns.
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Think we'll be alright for right-back. De Laet still to come back.
Tom Cairney as the centre midfielder? Wouldn't be suprised to see us go back for Abel Hernandez either. Especially if one of Ross or Ayew leave (perhaps use McCormack in a swapsie with Cairney?)
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Think we'll be alright for right-back. De Laet still to come back...
Not expected back until pre season
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Ryan Woods. He was with Dean Smith at Shrewsbury. From Cannock/ Norton Canes area and he'll be playing top level football soon. Cracking player and I did mention him at the start of the season 😉
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Think we'll be alright for right-back. De Laet still to come back...
Not expected back until pre season
Aye, but with two specialist right-backs on the books and Bacuna we probably aren't going to sign another one are we?
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Think we'll be alright for right-back. De Laet still to come back...
Not expected back until pre season
Aye, but with two specialist right-backs on the books and Bacuna we probably aren't going to sign another one are we?
Oh for a John Gidman or Kenny Swain!!
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Not seen or heard about this Ryan Woods fella before, but by what people have described, he sounds ideal. Useful player, young, local (originally) and at a club where I think we could turn his heard. Too early for him to attract the PL clubs but appears to have potential which suggests new could play at a higher level.
Bacuna should be used more as right back. If we improve the midfield then the full backs' defensive ability will be less important. Besides I think RB is probably the position where he has the most potential.
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When will Jordan Lyden be fit? He didn't look out of place at right back when he played there last season even though I think it may have been against Wycombe.
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Bruce said on 5Live last night that we have six strikers and only use one. Hyperbollix hopefully but I wonder is he already thinking of ditching some.
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Not seen or heard about this Ryan Woods fella before, but by what people have described, he sounds ideal. Useful player, young, local (originally) and at a club where I think we could turn his heard. Too early for him to attract the PL clubs but appears to have potential which suggests new could play at a higher level.
Bacuna should be used more as right back. If we improve the midfield then the full backs' defensive ability will be less important. Besides I think RB is probably the position where he has the most potential.
Woods ran the show when we played Brentford at VP earlier this season
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Hopefully. Like unwanted kittens post Christmas.
Though I'd really only wish that miserable fate on one rotund balding sugarbag.
Gestede for all his obvious limitations seems a decent sort.
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Tom Clarke beef cake defender at Preston stand 5'11 but very decent player can also do a job as midfielder but has excelled as a centre back definitely worth pursuing him.
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Bruce said on 5Live last night that we have six strikers and only use one. Hyperbollix hopefully but I wonder is he already thinking of ditching some.
I hope not. We have fine array of striking options now. We need a new right back and and central midfielder.
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Assuming the 6 strikers are Kod, Gabby, Rudy, Ayew, Kozak and Ross not sure how he figures we only use 1 as 4 of them played in the last game, 2 from the start. And 2 of them bugger off in Jan for a month so need the cover. RHM should be a 7th but i'm assuming it's Kozak and not him that are in the 6 as there seems more chance of me playing for the first team than the Russian.
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Bruce said on 5Live last night that we have six strikers and only use one. Hyperbollix hopefully but I wonder is he already thinking of ditching some.
I hope not. We have fine array of striking options now. We need a new right back and and central midfielder.
Would you throw in one more centre back and a winger into the needs of the window too??
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Assuming the 6 strikers are Kod, Gabby, Rudy, Ayew, Kozak and Ross not sure how he figures we only use 1 as 4 of them played in the last game, 2 from the start. And 2 of them bugger off in Jan for a month so need the cover. RHM should be a 7th but i'm assuming it's Kozak and not him that are in the 6 as there seems more chance of me playing for the first team than the Russian.
Kozak is Czech
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The Russian is RHM.
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The Russian is RHM.
Okay ! Scouse
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Bruce said on 5Live last night that we have six strikers and only use one. Hyperbollix hopefully but I wonder is he already thinking of ditching some.
I hope not. We have fine array of striking options now. We need a new right back and and central midfielder.
Would you throw in one more centre back and a winger into the needs of the window too??
Yeah why not
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It's hard to see where McCormack fits in at the moment
I think Bruce will prioritise a centre back and a keeper - relatively cheap squad players
If we have the chance to get a really good midfielder I think he'd go for it but as I said earlier I think ffp is a limit
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If we have the chance to get a really good midfielder I think he'd go for it but as I said earlier I think ffp is a limit
I can't really see us giving a toss about it personally.
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It's hard to see where McCormack fits in at the moment
I think Bruce will prioritise a centre back and a keeper - relatively cheap squad players
If we have the chance to get a really good midfielder I think he'd go for it but as I said earlier I think ffp is a limit
Have to disagree Matt. Central midfield Is the absolute priority for me.
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Wouldn't surprise me if McCormack was sold in Jan. Just doesn't seem to fit with Bruce's style of play for some reason. Wonder if Hull fancy a part ex for Hernandez?
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We've needed a decent CM for bloody years! Since Milner left and Stan became ill.
CM top of my Christmas list!
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We need to keep McCormack around during the ACN.
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Bruce said on 5Live last night that we have six strikers and only use one. Hyperbollix hopefully but I wonder is he already thinking of ditching some.
I hope not. We have fine array of striking options now. We need a new right back and and central midfielder.
In the press conference last week he was asked about transfers and he said we were fine up front with plenty of depth so it would be elswhere we were looking to strengthen (spoiler alter: its midfield) . I didnt hear his 5live interview but possibly it was a similar answer to a similar question? So not getting rid of anybody but no need to strengthen up front?
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Given that we don't score enough goals a 'rationalisation' of the strikers doesn't seem to be a bad idea, especially if it helps balance the midfield into the bargain.
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It's hard to see where McCormack fits in at the moment
I think Bruce will prioritise a centre back and a keeper - relatively cheap squad players
If we have the chance to get a really good midfielder I think he'd go for it but as I said earlier I think ffp is a limit
I said this in the summer when it became clear we were getting him and I've never changed my mind. Good player but I could never work out how we were going to fit him into the team without building the team around him and I don't think he's good enough to do that, If we build around 1 player I'd rather we go with Jack.
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Premier league potential options !! An extensive list of players and options I've done my research and here it is!
Contract expiry 2017 so perhaps a few of these as loan or buy. Or sign in summer.
There's also players who having little game time contract not expiring 2017
Firstly the players who played /signed under Bruce out of contract end of season 16/17
Snodgrass-
Robertson -
Michael Dawson
Jake Livermore
Shaun Maloney
George Boyd-
Seb Larrson-
Shaun Maloney
Frazier campbell- Bruce 1st signing at sunderland
Next is a list of Midfielders 2017 that potentially could sign out of contract
Obi Mikel
Schweinsteiger
Gareth Barry !! :)
Grant Leadbitter
Chris brunt
Charlie Adam
Joe ledley
Carrick
And here are a couple of others out of contract who could cover short term or loan
Glenn Johnson
Phil bardsley
Zabeleta
Sagna
Now these below are just general and not contract expiry bit more lack of first team action:
Players not getting game time
Trippier spurs -
Mcmannan-wba
Sakho palace -
Mutch palace -
Gibson Everton
Tom Carroll spurs
Nathan Dyer swansea
Marriapa -Watford
Depay-man Utd
Ben Watson- Watford
Robson Kanu -wba
Nugent -Middlesbrough
Rhodes- Middlesbrough
Finally GK back up or compete options!
Speroni palace out of contract not in top 2 choices
McGregor hull - been injured but David Marshall brought on as number 1
Jankopic-hull is not first choice
Pantillmon -Watford not first choice
Myhill-wba not first choice
Wayne Hennessey out of contract in summer
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Someone's not busy at work! Great effort there footyskillz
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Obi Mikel
Schweinsteiger
Gareth Barry !! :)
Grant Leadbitter
Chris brunt
Charlie Adam
Joe ledley
Carrick
Sign those lot and we'll have the fattest team in the league for sure
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My choices would be
GK
Hennessey or speoroni loan buy
Defence
Michael Dawson
Trippier loan
Midfield
Ben Watson
Seb larsson
Mcmanan
Attack
1 or 2 loans from
Robson kanu ,Maloney, rhodes /Nugent loan
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Before/during the Caerdydd game, I didn't hear any mention of Ross by anyone in my little group in the LTR. No questioning why he wasn't in the squad or saying that its a shame he's not available.
Potential to turn in to a very forgettable player for Villa
EDIT "Now" should have read "No"
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Well when the African guys are away Ross will have a good opportunity to prove us wrong but so far I am not impressed.
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Before/during the Caerdydd game, I didn't hear any mention of Ross by anyone in my little group in the LTR. Now questioning why he wasn't in the squad or saying that its a shame he's not available.
Potential to turn in to a very forgettable player for Villa
I thought he was suspended.
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Before/during the Caerdydd game, I didn't hear any mention of Ross by anyone in my little group in the LTR. Now questioning why he wasn't in the squad or saying that its a shame he's not available.
Potential to turn in to a very forgettable player for Villa
I thought he was suspended.
I believe that he was suspended for the Brighton game, available for Cardiff and picked up an injury prior to the game.
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Before/during the Caerdydd game, I didn't hear any mention of Ross by anyone in my little group in the LTR. Now questioning why he wasn't in the squad or saying that its a shame he's not available.
Potential to turn in to a very forgettable player for Villa
I thought he was suspended.
I believe that he was suspended for the Brighton game, available for Cardiff and picked up an injury prior to the game.
Word up. SB said this was the state of affairs.
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Another out of contract 2017 player being linked is at left back 20 years old Ben Purrington Plymouth Argyle defender.
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How much would we get for McCormack, half of what we paid? Depressing...let's hope he comes good in January when he should get a run in the team.
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Would Fulham have him back? Maybe we could use him and some money to get Tom Cairney.
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Now 36 still struttering his skills at the highest level. Apparently will be available as not tied to any contract.
Better than Westwood.
My thoughts good short term solution, a kind of Warnock coming together.
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Can he take penalties?
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He doesn't but pretty sure he can. He is a talented player.
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An upgrade on all we have got yes please
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An upgrade on all we have got yes please
Am 100% sure the likes of Stourport's midfield are more combative.
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The kind of signing I can see Bruce making. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since that sorry NOTW article about dream moves etc. I'd welcome it.
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Still appears to be a top professional and very competitive.
It might be somewhat apposite for him to return to Villa Park, firm-up our midfield and go on to break the Premier League appearances record back in the Claret & Blue.
If there's half-a-chance of this then it gets my vote.
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He's playing week-in week-out for Everton and getting very highly paid for it. Why on earth would he choose to leave that for a mid-table battle with Aston Villa? Not a chance.
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From the horses mouth. My son ran into him at a club earlier this year and pleaded with him to return to Villa. His answer ......"No chance".
Mind you if he does my lad is now ready to claim full credit.
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While having lunch at the greasy spoon near work today I cast an eye over the Daily Star's football coverage. Amidst the usual baloney was a paragraph linking us with Hull goalie Alan McGregor.
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A creative midfielder is paramount as far as I'm concerned. Please let it happen.
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Rudi and a few pennies for Snodgrass ???
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A creative midfielder is paramount as far as I'm concerned. Please let it happen.
This!
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A creative midfielder is paramount as far as I'm concerned. Please let it happen.
Undoubtedly. We need to pile some points on this month as the quality of player we'll be able to attract will be greatly improved by us being up thereabouts.
It's a position that needs addressing to the exclusion of all others. Get the right man, and that'll do me*.
*well, maybe a centre-half, too.
And a right-back in on loan.
And a proper number 9.
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There's less than zero chance of Barry coming back to VP this January, more chance of Barry Bannan.
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We have some decent players but my concern is the spine of the team. The italian, Elphick, Westwood (to a certain extent) and lack of a decent Andy Gray is worrying.
Gollini is sorry just not good enough, put whatever spin you want on him.
Elphick, seen better in Sunday football.
Westwood, he needs a Delph, Cleverley or Barry beside him.
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We have some decent players but my concern is the spine of the team. The italian, Elphick, Westwood (to a certain extent) and lack of a decent Andy Gray is worrying.
Gollini is sorry just not good enough, put whatever spin you want on him.
Elphick, seen better in Sunday football.
Westwood, he needs a Delph, Cleverley or Barry beside him.
Never mind who's beside him, Westwood needs a boot out the door. Nothing more nothing less.
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I want a midfielder who has the ability to time his runs into the box and attacks the goal. For 5 minutes Sherwood had the midfield really contributing and we need that again. Everton at home comes to mind immediately. We haven't had a good one in a while. Give me that and DM to give Jedinak a break and I'll be happy. Oh that and a reliable CB.
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All this creative midfielder nonsense, we have too many. We need legs in midfield.
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I want a midfielder who has the ability to time his runs into the box and attacks the goal. For 5 minutes Sherwood had the midfield really contributing and we need that again. Everton at home comes to mind immediately. We haven't had a good one in a while. Give me that and DM to give Jedinak a break and I'll be happy. Oh that and a reliable CB.
Yeah, a centreback for me as well. Elphick isn't the player we thought we'd signed.
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All this creative midfielder nonsense, we have too many. We need legs in midfield.
I agree, we need someone who can do the defensive work and get the ball forward accurately so the likes of Ayew and Grealish are doing their work in the final third rather than the middle of the pitch.
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Matt Maher from the E and S says one deal is already verbally agreed for January and they are hoping to tie up another one in principle today.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/12/09/january-transfer-window-aston-villa-closing-in-on-double-swoop/
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Matt Maher from the E and S says one deal is already verbally agreed for January and they are hoping to tie up another one in principle today.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/12/09/january-transfer-window-aston-villa-closing-in-on-double-swoop/
I'm concerned that we appear to be preparing deals before the window opens. Isn't there some sort of law that prevents us from doing so?
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Only if the selling club object.
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Matt Maher from the E and S says one deal is already verbally agreed for January and they are hoping to tie up another one in principle today.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/12/09/january-transfer-window-aston-villa-closing-in-on-double-swoop/
I'm concerned that we appear to be preparing deals before the window opens. Isn't there some sort of law that prevents us from doing so?
No, we just can't actually register any new players until the window opens. Nothing to stop clubs lining up deals.
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All this creative midfielder nonsense, we have too many. We need legs in midfield.
I agree, we need someone who can do the defensive work and get the ball forward accurately so the likes of Ayew and Grealish are doing their work in the final third rather than the middle of the pitch.
We basically need a David Platt type and and Ian Taylor type. Even if they're only half as good as Taylor and a quarter as good as Platt they would be a big improvement on Gardner and Westwood and would probably get us promoted.
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You can approach a club any time and if they are happy to, you can make a deal etc. The player just can't join us until the window opens. The problem is more for the selling club, why would they want a first teamer playing the rest of the month when he knows he'll be joining another club as soon as the window opens?
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All this creative midfielder nonsense, we have too many. We need legs in midfield.
I agree, we need someone who can do the defensive work and get the ball forward accurately so the likes of Ayew and Grealish are doing their work in the final third rather than the middle of the pitch.
We basically need a David Platt type and and Ian Taylor type. Even if they're only half as good as Taylor and a quarter as good as Platt they would be a big improvement on Gardner and Westwood and would probably get us promoted.
This. Sort them out and it makes the job of our creative players, Adomah, Grealish and Ayew, easier too. We've just got no presence or movement in midfield. Jedinak does his job well but needs legs beside him.
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Bless you all for correcting me, but mine was a tongue-in-cheek dig at our previous attempts at using the January transfer window.
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All this creative midfielder nonsense, we have too many. We need legs in midfield.
I agree, we need someone who can do the defensive work and get the ball forward accurately so the likes of Ayew and Grealish are doing their work in the final third rather than the middle of the pitch.
I've mentioned him on here before, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Bruce go for David Meyler. Can get around, get his foot in and is decent on the ball. Not been playing for Hull, but has been in the Ireland side that has got some good results recently.
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I bet we sign Alex Bruce.
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I bet we sign Alex Bruce.
Nailed on
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Bless you all for correcting me, but mine was a tongue-in-cheek dig at our previous attempts at using the January transfer window.
You overestimated the intelligence of your audience (i.e. me.)
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You can approach a club any time and if they are happy to, you can make a deal etc. The player just can't join us until the window opens. The problem is more for the selling club, why would they want a first teamer playing the rest of the month when he knows he'll be joining another club as soon as the window opens?
who said anything about first teamers? My guess is that the player already agreed is Johnstone, 3rd 4th or 5th choice keeper at Man Ure
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It was a generic point on why not too many transfers are fully agreed before the Jan window opens, which is why I said "another club" rather than "us" in that sentence.
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It was a generic point on why not too many transfers are fully agreed before the Jan window opens, which is why I said "another club" rather than "us" in that sentence.
apologies, I didn't read it like that
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No worries, reading it back I can see how it came across that way.
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I bet we sign Alex Bruce.
Nailed on
We do need another centre back
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But with respect a good one.
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Could Veretout be the missing midfielder we need ?
I know he went missing last year but let's face it so did everyone else...
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Could Veretout be the missing midfielder we need ?
I know he went missing last year but let's face it so did everyone else...
He is a different type of midfield player to what we have. We need that type of player.
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Could Veretout be the missing midfielder we need ?
I know he went missing last year but let's face it so did everyone else...
He went MIA at the start of the season too...
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From the sounds of it I don't think Veretout has a good enough attitude to rely on.
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Heard on the way back today (OK - it was on WM) that Bruce is looking to bring 5 players in in January. Hope one of them is an experienced goalie - I'm totally unconvinced by Gollini
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From the sounds of it I don't think Veretout has a good enough attitude to rely on.
Why what have you heard?
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Gestede is going I suspect
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From the sounds of it I don't think Veretout has a good enough attitude to rely on.
Why what have you heard?
That he had no interest at all in playing for us this year.
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I'd take Daniel Johnson back in a heartbeat. Magnificent performance for Preston today , his goal was Grealishesque (Jackesque ?)
The other ex Villa man, Robinson was'nt too ducking fusty , either !. Johnson is everything Westwood isn't, IMHO.......Godzvilla
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Gestede is going I suspect
The glue factory beckons
at the same time we could get a gastric band for ross mcfat
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Heard on the way back today (OK - it was on WM) that Bruce is looking to bring 5 players in in January. Hope one of them is an experienced goalie - I'm totally unconvinced by Gollini
5 would be lovely - a keeper to provide genuine competition, loan right back, first team centre half, a Jedinak clone & a proper target man who has some mobility & can control a ball properly would be good.
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Gestede is going I suspect
He was really poor when he came today.
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Can we recall any of our players from Loan ?
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Gestede is going I suspect
He was really poor when he came today.
He was shite against Leeds where he did the impression of a lamp post but with less movement, time to move him on. We need left winger to balance out Adomah, we need a right full back in the Amavvi mode, that would strengthen both sides. We need a Taylor/Bremner/Carradous type player, someone who will tirelessly run up and down the pitch all game and we need a centre mid who will continually drive forward with the ball. Who they are I have no idea but Bruce has picked up gems before in the transfer market. In the window, ship out Gestede, Richards, Gabby and unfortunately Ayew.
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Can we recall any of our players from Loan ?
Please God no.
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Sam Johnstone from Man Utd is the incoming keeper according to the Birmingham Mail.
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Mail say Carl Jenkinson RB on loan from Arsenal
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I think it will be Allan McGregor, 3rd choice for Hull atm but was a regular for them under Bruce and a good keeper.
Why would Veretout come back? He's starting every game in France so I doubt he'd be too willing to come back to a country where he struggles with the language and had such a bad time last year.
This isn't like Cissokho where he was barely playing at Porto and with the Amavi injury it made sense to recall him.
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I don't know much about Carl Jenkinson other than every Arsenal fan seems to think he's shit,
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Sat there today I actually thought Joey Barton alongside Jedinak would make a good combination...at first I felt sick thinking it but I couldn't shake that it would work.
Jenkinson would be an upgrade on Hutton who does neither defending or attacking well.
Johnstone I've never seen play but I trust Bruce & Gary Walsh will know all about him & his abilities
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He looked pretty decent at West Ham last year didn't he? Or did everyone in the league just look decent compared to what we were watching?
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Sam Johnstone from Man Utd is the incoming keeper according to the Birmingham Mail.
Pointless. Need an experienced keeper
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He looked pretty decent at West Ham last year didn't he? Or did everyone in the league just look decent compared to what we were watching?
Yeah he was outstanding for West Ham, got a bad injury though and has been very poor since for Arsenal. Regular games at a lower level would surely build his confidence back up again. Sam Byram doesn't seem to be getting a look in for West Ham at the moment, another RB option.
Don't understand going for another kid goalkeeper but appears it's a done deal.
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Sam Johnstone from Man Utd is the incoming keeper according to the Birmingham Mail.
Pointless. Need an experienced keeper
Brad Guzan maybe?
Maybe the management team know who they want
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See I must be less down on Gollini than some people. He's made some mistakes, but I think overall he looks a really promising goalie.
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See I must be less down on Gollini than some people. He's made some mistakes, but I think overall he looks a really promising goalie.
Agree. I have seen less games this season obviously but when I have seen him play Gollini looks like a very talented but young keeper. I see him getting better not worse.
Wouldnt say no to some bench strength mind.
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See I must be less down on Gollini than some people. He's made some mistakes, but I think overall he looks a really promising goalie.
I'm possibly similar to you, maybe slightly more concerned.
I thought that Elphick was more to blame than Gollini for the Huddersfield goal and thought that he had done very well since then.
His shot stopping has been outstanding but his commanding of his area lets him down. The Leeds game was an absolute disaster and may have been the decider for Bruce.
Personally, given the choice from a young Man U kid or Hulls 3rd choice, I'd prefer to stick with what we've got. If we were signing Joe Hart, I'd be happy to go along with it.
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I don't know much about Carl Jenkinson other than every Arsenal fan seems to think he's shit,
Every Arsenal fan thinks Wenger is shit not that I want Jenkinson!
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Sam Johnstone from Man Utd is the incoming keeper according to the Birmingham Mail.
Pointless. Need an experienced keeper
And we shouldn't be a development route for other clubs players.
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If they get us up I'd be a feeder for whom so ever.
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We definitely need another keeper in though likewise I'd have gone for more experience
I quite like Gollini but he's cost us a lot of goals already
Jenkinson would be a huge upgrade on Hutton though I'd prioritise centre back cover and a better central midfielder
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Sat there today I actually thought Joey Barton alongside Jedinak would make a good combination...at first I felt sick thinking it but I couldn't shake that it would work.
Close the door behind you when you leave...no no it's ok I'll get your coat for you.
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See I must be less down on Gollini than some people. He's made some mistakes, but I think overall he looks a really promising goalie.
I'm possibly similar to you, maybe slightly more concerned.
I thought that Elphick was more to blame than Gollini for the Huddersfield goal and thought that he had done very well since then.
His shot stopping has been outstanding but his commanding of his area lets him down. The Leeds game was an absolute disaster and may have been the decider for Bruce.
Personally, given the choice from a young Man U kid or Hulls 3rd choice, I'd prefer to stick with what we've got. If we were signing Joe Hart, I'd be happy to go along with it.
On reflection, I don't think we can pin the first goal on Gollini: the cross was the best piece of a poor game and the scorer's movement foiled our CB. Gollini was caught in the crossfire.
I think he's been okay and, importantly, getting better.
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as soon as the leeds player hit that ball , I thought oh no this is a beauty and could been a bugger to defend and proved it did.
i think he has made some great saves to be fair to him , it seems when he plays with Boon he starts looking crap in the air .
but please a midfielder , a RB and a fit CB too , even if its Bruce forsyth at the back. And Rudy can go .
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So we want to replace Gollini because he's too inexperienced for the league and replace him with a player who has never turned out for the first team? Can somegone explain that logic please?
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So we want to replace Gollini because he's too experienced for the league and replace him with a player who has never turned out for the first team? Can someone explain that logic please?
Doesn't make any sense.
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Les Sealey would be ideal for this team. We need a strong character.
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I think he died.
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I think Gollini has done well - especially considering his age and experience. He has a confidence to him I like and he seems to be improving too as the defense around him gets stronger. We have the fourth best defensive record in the league. Saying that I'd like to see an experienced cover for him that is an improvement on Bunn as well as another experienced centre half to get us through the season. It's scoring goals that remains the problem. As well as another midfielder I think we need a strong out and out striker - an upgrade on Gestede.
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I think he died.
Nastylee
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I think he died.
Nastylee
I don't think we can afford to be picky about good players who could help us get promoted, just because they aren't alive. That's rather a bigoted attitude.
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We shouldn't discriminate on the basis of colour, religion or pulse.
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If he's still playing someone like Schwarzer would be ideal on the bench. McGregor has been mooted and that's not that bad a call. Cairney at Fulham would cost us more than he's worth but he'd be perfect. A centre-half is an absolute must for me given baker's injuries and Elphick's inability. There is always the european market that I know nothing of so you can stick one or two in there but how about Dyer at wherever he is now for the rest of the season, and a slightly left field one - demarai Gray?
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I agree about tom cairney - he'd be great as part of our central midfield.
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A Twitter source seems to think Jordan Rhodes is pretty much nailed on for January.
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So we want to replace Gollini because he's too experienced for the league and replace him with a player who has never turned out for the first team? Can someone explain that logic please?
Doesn't make any sense.
I can't understand that logic either. If we are going to replace Gollini because he is inexperienced, then surely we would be looking for a keeper with more experience and not less?
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For the record, I meant inexperienced in my original message. :)
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An unnamed keeper and Hernandez from Hull done deals.
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Rhodes will be a third of the cost of Hernandez if the summer is 'owt to go by.
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I assume if we sign that keeper from Manure on loan it's as a backup as it seems a bit barmy to replace a keeper because he's inexperienced with a keeper that has played 4 first team games on loan at Preston in the last 18 months.
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I think he died.
We need stiff resistance.
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For the record, I meant inexperienced in my original message. :)
Senior moment? I know about those ...
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Rhodes will be a third of the cost of Hernandez if the summer is 'owt to go by.
But isn't he a number 10 type of player, similar to McCormack?
As I see it, we need an out and out number 9 who plays up top on his own. Whilst all 3 of Gabby, Kodjia and Rudy can play there, we need a natural number 9, dare I say it, a combination of all 3.
We play differently to Newcastle, who can afford a player like Gayle up front because of the way they attack. We need a more orthodox centre forward
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If we get any more forwards and don't sort the midfield out I will be a seething angry mess.
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I don't do Twitter much but I'm pretty sure yesterday on the way to the game it popped up that Gary Gardner and Stan Petrov had started following Chris Kirkland. Is he still alive?
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Retired.
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A Twitter source seems to think Jordan Rhodes is pretty much nailed on for January.
Would be a strange one, we don't really play with orthodox wingers
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I don't do Twitter much but I'm pretty sure yesterday on the way to the game it popped up that Gary Gardner and Stan Petrov had started following Chris Kirkland. Is he still alive?
Time waster extraordinare.
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I don't do Twitter much but I'm pretty sure yesterday on the way to the game it popped up that Gary Gardner and Stan Petrov had started following Chris Kirkland. Is he still alive?
He's been doing work for SKY a fair bit recently
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Sat there today I actually thought Joey Barton alongside Jedinak would make a good combination...at first I felt sick thinking it but I couldn't shake that it would work.
Close the door behind you when you leave...no no it's ok I'll get your coat for you.
I think I'll hang around...bit like Hutton I'll never leave
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I think he died.
Nastylee
I don't think we can afford to be picky about good players who could help us get promoted, just because they aren't alive. That's rather a bigoted attitude.
I agree. He's cheap and can play for our stiffs
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And a shroud pleaser.
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He's a dead ball specialist.
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Is this link genuine or is it just a rumour that someone's passed on?
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No dead in the water I am afraid as his agent said he is going to a far loftier place than Villa Park.
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I can't see him moving at all. Still, we cadaver go.
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I can't see him moving at all. Still, we cadaver go.
I fear we'd be coffin up a fortune.
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Bury might take him on loan.
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But only in the dead of night
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with a few zombies thrown in could be a " thrilla" at the Villa
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Whelan at Stoke, Meyler at Hull, both bench warming. Wouldn't mind either.
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Is that Glenn Whelan? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else but I'm sure Glenn Whelan is a horrible, thuggish, kick-anything-that-moves, elbow-in-face, studs-down-back-of-calf, knee-high-career-ending-tackle, filthy, dirty bastard kind of player. The sort of one part footballer / ninety-nine part homicidal maniac that Stoke are known for. I don't think that's what we need, particularly as he must be about forty-five now.
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Is that Glenn Whelan? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else but I'm sure Glenn Whelan is a horrible, thuggish, kick-anything-that-moves, elbow-in-face, studs-down-back-of-calf, knee-high-career-ending-tackle, filthy, dirty bastard kind of player. The sort of one part footballer / ninety-nine part homicidal maniac that Stoke are known for. I don't think that's what we need, particularly as he must be about forty-five now.
He seems to have been around since the mid-90s, but is still somehow only 32.
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Is that Glenn Whelan? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else but I'm sure Glenn Whelan is a horrible, thuggish, kick-anything-that-moves, elbow-in-face, studs-down-back-of-calf, knee-high-career-ending-tackle, filthy, dirty bastard kind of player. The sort of one part footballer / ninety-nine part homicidal maniac that Stoke are known for. I don't think that's what we need, particularly as he must be about forty-five now.
He seems to have been around since the mid-90s, but is still somehow only 32.
I believe it is because he is Nigerian.
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Is that Glenn Whelan? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else but I'm sure Glenn Whelan is a horrible, thuggish, kick-anything-that-moves, elbow-in-face, studs-down-back-of-calf, knee-high-career-ending-tackle, filthy, dirty bastard kind of player. The sort of one part footballer / ninety-nine part homicidal maniac that Stoke are known for. I don't think that's what we need, particularly as he must be about forty-five now.
He seems to have been around since the mid-90s, but is still somehow only 32.
I believe it is because he is Nigerian.
Yes, he is named as such thanks to his parents fondness of Guinness.
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Whelan at Stoke, Meyler at Hull, both bench warming. Wouldn't mind either.
Both shite too albeit proven performers at this level. Meyler had the potential to be a fine midfielder but injuries really limited his progress, did very well in Austria a few weeks back mind coming on for Whelan.
Jedinak is better than Whelan and the last thing we need is another midfielder petrified of receiving the ball facing his own goal and whose jaws move faster than his feet.
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Is that Glenn Whelan? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else but I'm sure Glenn Whelan is a horrible, thuggish, kick-anything-that-moves, elbow-in-face, studs-down-back-of-calf, knee-high-career-ending-tackle, filthy, dirty bastard kind of player. The sort of one part footballer / ninety-nine part homicidal maniac that Stoke are known for. I don't think that's what we need, particularly as he must be about forty-five now.
He seems to have been around since the mid-90s, but is still somehow only 32.
I believe it is because he is Nigerian.
He doesn't reverse cars, does he?
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Being linked with a £10m move for Robbie Brady from Norwich on Twitter by Alan Nixon and a few other sources.
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A Twitter source seems to think Jordan Rhodes is pretty much nailed on for January.
I don't think we need twitter to say that Rhodes would be a more than valuable asset to the squad.
Just common sense will do.
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Being linked with a £10m move for Robbie Brady from Norwich on Twitter by Alan Nixon and a few other sources.
£10m a bit steep, but would be a decent buy. We need some balance on the left and he can deliver a good set piece. Not sure Norwich would want to sell to us though.
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Being linked with a £10m move for Robbie Brady from Norwich on Twitter by Alan Nixon and a few other sources.
£10m a bit steep, but would be a decent buy. We need some balance on the left and he can deliver a good set piece. Not sure Norwich would want to sell to us though.
More importantly- is he alive?
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Wouldn't be my priority (Brady). I'd definitely go for a centre back. Keeper and centre midfielder
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A centre mid and a centre back are the priorities for me.
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I like Robbie Brady, he's a good player.
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Brady would help on the creativity side and has suitable quality to not have to think about replacing him once we get back into the Premier. Positionally he may not be a priority but if we're looking to bolster the depth of quality in the squad, I'm not going to complain.
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Wouldn't be my priority (Brady). I'd definitely go for a centre back. Keeper and centre midfielder
I think a left winger is becoming a priority Matt. Overheard two blokes talking about it on the way back to the car after the game in Saturday and that the balance of the side still isn't quite right when Kodjia, Ayew or Grealish play out there. Was a little surprised to hear one of them say that he would play Cissokho there though!!
Saying that, a partner for Jedinak is still the priority for me.
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Whelan at Stoke, Meyler at Hull, both bench warming. Wouldn't mind either.
A tigersh midfielder is want we need. Saw jay spearing captain and deliver another telling performance in midfield for Bolton. I think with Bolton off field issue there can be score for a cheeky 1 or 2 million bid. Would suit both parties as add to midfield.
2 from McCarthy, Spearing Myler or whelan would be nice.
Add Brady and Jenkinson and another striker and defender and Gk think Bruce would be well set.
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Jay Spearing - a player who has not had a sniff from anyone since being in League One and the depths of the Championship? Why on earth do you think he is capable of any higher than his current level? He's just a Jamie O'Hara.
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McCarthy would be an excellent shout as he's really fallen down the pecking order at Everton but I suspect would be unlikely to come to us in our current position/plight.
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The thought of paying any form of spendable currency on Jay Spearing makes me want to vomit. To think that 2 million quid could somehow be considered a Bid when talking about a player who so closely resembles a Jersey Royal in both appearance and ability saddens me.
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Rumours that Man City are in for Amati. Prime bullshit surely?
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Amati
whos he ?
as long as they dont come for our Amavi ;)
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Who would have thought that a simple typo could cause so much childish glee
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Typos are always fanny.
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Jay Spearing - a player who has not had a sniff from anyone since being in League One and the depths of the Championship? Why on earth do you think he is capable of any higher than his current level? He's just a Jamie O'Hara.
He was injured for a while last season. Being in better squad and players around him would make his game come on. I think hes already championship level and has passion energy and eye for a shot has seen him score spectacular goals. He tackles well and is a capatin also takes very decent corners and set plays. Decent enough at this level. I grant you hes not a consistent for top top levels but where we are now he certainly as good for most championship midfield. McCarthy would be great addition as hes stepped down a league but dont forget Spearing has performed at highest level in champions league and Europa league as well as being in prem league. 28 now and this would be a chance for him to make the big time again.
Jamie o hara is left footed .
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Amati
whos he ?
as long as they dont come for our Amavi ;)
If they're willing to stump up a big fee then I think we would have to sell. Seen a fair bit of him now and although he is still young, he is error prone. I thought the young Leeds left back looked a better bet when we played them.
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Bruce got it right when he said we've spent too long looking to increase the size of the squad rather than looking to bring in players better than what we already have. Spearing would just increase the squad size.
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Bruce got it right when he said we've spent too long looking to increase the size of the squad rather than looking to bring in players better than what we already have. Spearing would just increase the squad size.
It's difficult because I think a lot of signings in the last 12-18 months have been intended as better than we have but they've been signed without really knowing how we want to use them. Most of Sherwoods signings suffered from that and this summer McCormack felt like we'd signed him because he had a decent record rather than because he was what we needed. Even Adomah, who i really rate, is an odd signing because I couldn't work out exactly where to put him into the team. Even now I'm not sure that how we're being setup fits. If the Brady rumours are true then it suggests that the shape will be moving towards a 442 or 451 and if so I struggle to see a place for all of Ayew, Kodjia, McCormack and Grealish who are all better in more 'between the lines' roles.
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Did McCarthy play for Bruce at Wigan?
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Bruce got it right when he said we've spent too long looking to increase the size of the squad rather than looking to bring in players better than what we already have. Spearing would just increase the squad size.
When did Bruce say this mate? Exactly the approach we need atm and good to hear.
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Bruce added: “I will only bring in people now who will improve the squad dramatically. In the past, if I am going to be critical, I don’t think that has been the case here.
“We have just brought in numbers and I think that is a mistake. If you only bring in numbers to fill up the squad then you don’t become better. We have to have a squad which is highly competitive and making sure we do become better.
“The players who have been here this last eight weeks have done well, in general. I don’t have to make wholesale changes because for the last eight weeks we are on course.”
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Bruce added: “I will only bring in people now who will improve the squad dramatically. In the past, if I am going to be critical, I don’t think that has been the case here.
“We have just brought in numbers and I think that is a mistake. If you only bring in numbers to fill up the squad then you don’t become better. We have to have a squad which is highly competitive and making sure we do become better.
“The players who have been here this last eight weeks have done well, in general. I don’t have to make wholesale changes because for the last eight weeks we are on course.”
i think I have heard pretty much every manager say the same thing.
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Did McCarthy play for Bruce at Wigan?
No, he was signed by Martinez, twice
Wildly overrated player since about the age of 16, clearly Koeman doesn't rate him
Would suit us obviously, not a player with sufficient courage to receive the ball facing his back four either but a fine athlete and an obvious upgrade on Westwood and Gardner
If Rodgers is still at Parkhead next summer, I expect he will head back to his home town.
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Not seen us linked to him, but rumor has it Torino is letting Pontus Jansson go this January.
Leeds got an option on him after 19? games and fans like him but not sure they got the financial muscle to sign him.
Maybe we could steal him, cripple their campaign and stengthen our DCs in the process.
Just wishful thinking maybe but he is probably one of the highest rated DCs in this division...
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Bruce got it right when he said we've spent too long looking to increase the size of the squad rather than looking to bring in players better than what we already have. Spearing would just increase the squad size.
When did Bruce say this mate? Exactly the approach we need atm and good to hear.
That's your opinion not Bruce's . My opinion is Spearing would fit in that midfield and would have got going today harryhurrying and probing. Needed that in these championship game and spearing would have made a difference in our midfield if he played I think
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With all due respect, what on earth are you babbling on about?
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Essentially we need some tigers on the midfield and spearing dismissed by some would have been at it and in Norwich face. Didn't have enough of thay today and felt jedinak did work of 2 midfielders. Need less luxury players and more hungry ones. That's my point
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Spearing? Jay Spearing?
He is monumentally shite.
I genuinly don't know who he plays for.
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Well i find hes not and I talking of players of that ilk anyway I'm annoyed when i see him nd other players perform and give it a go and villa don't. I at a loss to why so poor tonight really was nt expecting thag style of performance. I said on post match would like 2 up top 2 wide and 2 in middle simple . Or art least hace one off the front man. And can put players take some shots ! That's it find players abd transfer in those who shoot. Too many back or side ways passing when not misplace passing . Despair ! Arghh
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How Bruce is perceived to be ugly in his approach, I would like to see him buy the components that allow us go for a solid 4-3-3, but those 3 in the middle have to be pretty solid and just as important able to shift the ball with accuracy and speed and have the option of going 4-4-2 when required. Who he buys to fit that system is the important part, instead of as we are at the moment, trying to put although not very good square pegs into round holes. Who they are that's Bruceys job to find, that's why he gets the big bucks.
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Essentially we need some tigers on the midfield and spearing dismissed by some would have been at it and in Norwich face. Didn't have enough of thay today and felt jedinak did work of 2 midfielders. Need less luxury players and more hungry ones. That's my point
Mentioning Spearing is almost as idiotic as saying we should bring in Eddie Howe on the Bruce forum. Neither are going to happen.
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Did McCarthy play for Bruce at Wigan?
No, he was signed by Martinez, twice
Wildly overrated player since about the age of 16, clearly Koeman doesn't rate him
Would suit us obviously, not a player with sufficient courage to receive the ball facing his back four either but a fine athlete and an obvious upgrade on Westwood and Gardner
If Rodgers is still at Parkhead next summer, I expect he will head back to his home town.
McCarthy played last night but that was due to Barry not being available
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Essentially we need some tigers on the midfield and spearing dismissed by some would have been at it and in Norwich face. Didn't have enough of thay today and felt jedinak did work of 2 midfielders. Need less luxury players and more hungry ones. That's my point
Mentioning Spearing is almost as idiotic as saying we should bring in Eddie Howe on the Bruce forum. Neither are going to happen.
They both make sense to me and I'm allowed my opinion and view without being lambasted clampy play fair and no need to be personal it's upsetting. It's about opinions!
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Still think Barton would add something to this midfield - obviously not a likeable character but 1) we have 7/8 players I can't stand already so one more will make no difference and 2) a player who hates to lose wouldn't go amiss. Midfield 3 of Jedinak / Barton & Tshibola would hopefully help us be defensively secure and let whichever 3 we deploy up top to create.
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We're never gonna amount to anything with Gardner and Westwood taking turns in the team. Midfield strengthening is a must if we've any ambition of making the play-offs. Last night was diabolical and the January window can't come quick enough. I'd take Barton over anyone in our midfield right now.
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Essentially we need some tigers on the midfield.
Lions
Tigers
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We're never gonna amount to anything with Gardner and Westwood taking turns in the team. Midfield strengthening is a must if we've any ambition of making the play-offs. Last night was diabolical and the January window can't come quick enough. I'd take Barton over anyone in our midfield right now.
So would I, if he's fit.
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I'm surprised multiple mention of Jay Spearing's name hasn't sent Chris Jameson raging to the thread.
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I'm surprised multiple mention of Jay Spearing's name hasn't sent Chris Jameson raging to the thread.
I tend to avoid this thread but am delighted to see he has made a reappearance. I don't need any guesses to see who brought him up other than myself.
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With all due respect, what on earth are you babbling on about?
Anyone who is anyone knows that League One Gomer Pyle lookalike Jay Spearing is exactly what our midfield is crying out for.
He will make Westwood and Gardner look better, for one thing.
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Any links for Steve Bruce looking at Midfielders ?
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Spearing has performed at highest level in champions league and Europa league as well as being in prem league. 28 now and this would be a chance for him to make the big time
VILLA SWOOP FOR CHAMPIONS LEAGUE STAR
Curiosity got the better of me. Kevin Kyle still playing?
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Any links for Steve Bruce looking at Midfielders ?
I fucking hope so, we need 2-3
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I would imagine Tony will be giving very careful consideration about how much to spend in January. If he looks at what we have spent in the last few years and what we have got for that it will probably frighten the shit out of him....We really gave wasted millions in the last few years with transfer fees and wages...fuckin millions.
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I would imagine Tony will be giving very careful consideration about how much to spend in January. If he looks at what we have spent in the last few years and what we have got for that it will probably frighten the shit out of him....We really gave wasted millions in the last few years with transfer fees and wages...fuckin millions.
Whatever do you mean?
nzog was quality for the 25 odd million he cost us :o
Habib beye only cost 8 million
Jesus wept
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I'm sorry but Barton is not what is needed. Xia and hopefully Bruce wouldn't entertain such a type of unprofessional character . As its not just player ability we want to bring in. Barton can cause potential ruptions and upsetting relations and dressing room and training field. I get signalled out for my offerings of solid and professional midfielders yet Barton who caused issues at rangers recently is seriously being touted and not questioned by others. I think tje poster suggesting Barton is really wanting an up and at em midfielder and Barton is a go to name for that sort of player. I wouldn't think he has much chance of coming but appreciate the idea and agree a tiger in midfield is needed. But for me no go Joey. Xia has hia criteria and it wouldn't have changed since the summer
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I'm sorry but Barton is not what is needed. Xia and hopefully Bruce wouldn't entertain such a type of unprofessional character . As its not just player ability we want to bring in. Barton can cause potential ruptions and upsetting relations and dressing room and training field. I get signalled out for my offerings of solid and professional midfielders yet Barton who caused issues at rangers recently is seriously being touted and not questioned by others. I think tje poster suggesting Barton is really wanting an up and at em midfielder and Barton is a go to name for that sort of player. I wouldn't think he has much chance of coming but appreciate the idea and agree a tiger in midfield is needed. But for me no go Joey. Xia has hia criteria and it wouldn't have changed since the summer.
If Doctor Xia has Hia Criteria he probably needs a spell in a sanatorium in the Swiss mountains. Steroids might be beneficial.
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Seriously footy the "character" considerations are much more complex than binning somebody because he is, for want of a better phrase "a bad lot". The snake pit that our dressing room became under Sherwood was as a result of many types of character deficiencies from Agbonlahor's laziness, to Richards' arrogance, to Lescott's stupidity, to Guzan being easily lead, to the manager's self interest. It was a toxic brew that was only ever going one way.
I don't want Barton at the club but the baggage he carries with him is, in practical terms, no more or less damaging than a player who simply can't be arsed and we have had plenty of those.
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I don't want Barton at the club but the baggage he carries with him is, in practical terms, no more or less damaging than a player who simply can't be arsed and we have had plenty of those.
The bigger reason to steer clear is that at the start of the season he looked out of his depth at a lower level than we're currently playing at.
Even the player with a wonderful temperament and sqeaky-clean record, if they looked rubbish in the SPL then they shouldn't really be in our midfield.
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Good points well made. It's clear 2 midfielders needed one like Jedinak and one with flair.
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The lad we were linked with at Barnsley looks good on hightlights. So does Woods is it at Brentford. Bigger issue for me is out wide though. Our midfield would look better with genuine movement out wide, but at the moment we are forcing square pegs out there. The formation is not working either in that we are creating next to nothing. Bruce needs to bite the bullet and either play his prefered 3-5-2 so we have an extra forward up there and use Adomah and Amavi as wing backs, or go 4-4-1-1 and play Grealish behind Kodjia and get in 2 real creative wingers. Width and pace with games in this league each week, and we don't have anywhere near enough of either.
Oh and the Gabby experiment needs to be concluded as a failure and he needs to be moved on.
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Amavi being linked with Marseille in French press and 2 unnamed Prem teams ..hope no he is playing well now ...if big offer comes in though might have to sell to fund other areas
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Amavi being linked with Marseille in French press and 2 unnamed Prem teams ..hope no he is playing well now ...if big offer comes in though might have to sell to fund other areas
Not having a pop, but what has happened with Dr Tone so far that you makes you think we would have to sell to buy?
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Amavi being linked with Marseille in French press and 2 unnamed Prem teams ..hope no he is playing well now ...if big offer comes in though might have to sell to fund other areas
Marseille have been linked with about 10 of our players; they must have no money, as the transers aren't coming off.
Premier League teams would be more of a worry.
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There has been talk of FFP restrictions so presume if we sell Amavi for 10m that will free up a bit of FFP pressure?
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There are no FFP restrictions on owners in their first year, and in any case, we would only get a measly fine.
We better not sell Amavi.
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Keep our better players and add quality to them. Replace Westwood and Gollini and Elphick for starters. Amavi should stay.
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I'd keep Gollini. Reckon he will come good. I'd he leaves, I reckon we'll regret it in a few years.
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There are no FFP restrictions on owners in their first year, and in any case, we would only get a measly fine.
We better not sell Amavi.
If the right offer came in for Amavi, I would take it. I still think he is very suspect defensively even at a lower standard.
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The lad we were linked with at Barnsley looks good on hightlights. So does Woods is it at Brentford. Bigger issue for me is out wide though. Our midfield would look better with genuine movement out wide, but at the moment we are forcing square pegs out there. The formation is not working either in that we are creating next to nothing. Bruce needs to bite the bullet and either play his prefered 3-5-2 so we have an extra forward up there and use Adomah and Amavi as wing backs, or go 4-4-1-1 and play Grealish behind Kodjia and get in 2 real creative wingers. Width and pace with games in this league each week, and we don't have anywhere near enough of either.
Oh and the Gabby experiment needs to be concluded as a failure and he needs to be moved on.
Agree with a lot of that Jim. Regarding Grealish, I think McCormack should really be pushing for that spot as well and I hope to see a bit more from him in the coming months.
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There are no FFP restrictions on owners in their first year, and in any case, we would only get a measly fine.
We better not sell Amavi.
If the right offer came in for Amavi, I would take it. I still think he is very suspect defensively even at a lower standard.
Ii think we are just starting to see the real Amavi, he's been one of our best players under Bruce.
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I'd keep Gollini. Reckon he will come good. I'd he leaves, I reckon we'll regret it in a few years.
Me too...he hasn't really done too much wrong...the odd mis-judgement but he seems to be growing and learning. Reminds me of De Gea when he first started at Utd.
Our lack of goals heaps pressure on us..one mistake and the game is lost / drawn.
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There are no FFP restrictions on owners in their first year, and in any case, we would only get a measly fine.
We better not sell Amavi.
If the right offer came in for Amavi, I would take it. I still think he is very suspect defensively even at a lower standard.
Ii think we are just starting to see the real Amavi, he's been one of our best players under Bruce.
He one of only two prem quality players we have.
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I'd say Kodjia and Chester are both "Prem quality" too. Plenty of others could be but have been inconsistent.
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Amavi is a good example of what I was saying about players coming to us then falling by the wayside. Amavi is a quality player. French friends told me he was a cracking prospect. He got injured, fell into the snakepit of Francophobia in the dressing room and his form suffered accordingly. He is now beginning to show his worth.
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Amavi being linked with Marseille in French press and 2 unnamed Prem teams ..hope no he is playing well now ...if big offer comes in though might have to sell to fund other areas
Marseille have been linked with about 10 of our players; they must have no money, as the transers aren't coming off.
Premier League teams would be more of a worry.
I think I understood that Marseille have some large fines to pay for financial shenanigans so aren't really in the big league of European buyers anymore.
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Amavi is a good example of what I was saying about players coming to us then falling by the wayside. Amavi is a quality player. French friends told me he was a cracking prospect. He got injured, fell into the snakepit of Francophobia in the dressing room and his form suffered accordingly. He is now beginning to show his worth.
A prospect worth persevering with for when we make our return and someone who seems to get the club too compared with others.
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I'd say Kodjia and Chester are both "Prem quality" too. Plenty of others could be but have been inconsistent.
Yes. I think Adomah will be too. Plus Grealish and Awey, even if he is out of form at the moment.
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I'd say Kodjia and Chester are both "Prem quality" too. Plenty of others could be but have been inconsistent.
Chester never really performed in the top division for Hull or West Brom. Kodjia clearly has the ability but the last few games has probadly shown why he has spent his career at no mark French teams and Bristol City. Both are 27 so far from greenhorns.
We have many that have the ability to compete consistently at a higher level, Amavi, Ayew and Grealish come to mind, but again all are lacking the basics really. Courage and professionalism for starters. That tubby fuck McCormack is another one.
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In what way are Amavi and Grealish lacking courage as you suggest? As for Chester, I think he is premiership quality, not top 6 or 7 but good enough for the rest IMO. Ayew I don't think wants to be at the club and if that is the case, let him go
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In what way are Amavi and Grealish lacking courage as you suggest? As for Chester, I think he is premiership quality, not top 6 or 7 but good enough for the rest IMO. Ayew I don't think wants to be at the club and if that is the case, let him go
Amavi loves jumping over the ball during tackles, don't get the love in for him on here at all. Better than Cissokho isn't much praise. His recovery pace is getting him out of problems at this level that he didnt get away with at a higher level. His supposed attacking threat hasn't been seen at all this season either.
Grealish, think he lacks courage to take the ball in areas of the pitch where you are going to get kicked, to play in the number ten role you have to have that even in the second division.
more professionalism, or lack of, with him off the pitch is why he is at a mid table second division team. That crap for his 21st birthday would have been a sacking offence for another player given his previous. Woeful beyond belief for us last year, Roy Keane for Forest it certainly wasn't.
If Chester was that good why didn't these clubs go for him in the bottom half of the top division in the summer? He is a decent player but a follower not a leader. Diabolical mistake for the Norwich goal, not the greatest positional sense either I've noticed. Why did Pulis keep picking a 35/36 year old Gareth Mcauley over him last year?
Players at our club can't keep blaming everyone else for their shameful performances.
Same for Ayew, why didn't he get a move during the summer to a better club? Ability only takes a player so far.
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Grealish lacks courage to take the ball where he gets kicked? Ah? Sides kick lumps out of him on a regular basis.
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Someone didn't see the Cardiff game. Grealish was kicked all over the pitch.
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Grealish lacks courage to take the ball where he gets kicked? Ah? Sides kick lumps out of him on a regular basis.
Where was he v Norwich? Hiding same as the rest of them....
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We didn't retain the ball well or play well, how does that mean he was hiding? Did you watch him against Cardiff?
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Where was he against Cardiff when he was fouled more than any other player in a Division 2 game this season.
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In what way are Amavi and Grealish lacking courage as you suggest? As for Chester, I think he is premiership quality, not top 6 or 7 but good enough for the rest IMO. Ayew I don't think wants to be at the club and if that is the case, let him go
Amavi loves jumping over the ball during tackles, don't get the love in for him on here at all. Better than Cissokho isn't much praise. His recovery pace is getting him out of problems at this level that he didnt get away with at a higher level. His supposed attacking threat hasn't been seen at all this season either.
Grealish, think he lacks courage to take the ball in areas of the pitch where you are going to get kicked, to play in the number ten role you have to have that even in the second division.
more professionalism, or lack of, with him off the pitch is why he is at a mid table second division team. That crap for his 21st birthday would have been a sacking offence for another player given his previous. Woeful beyond belief for us last year, Roy Keane for Forest it certainly wasn't.
If Chester was that good why didn't these clubs go for him in the bottom half of the top division in the summer? He is a decent player but a follower not a leader. Diabolical mistake for the Norwich goal, not the greatest positional sense either I've noticed. Why did Pulis keep picking a 35/36 year old Gareth Mcauley over him last year?
Players at our club can't keep blaming everyone else for their shameful performances.
Same for Ayew, why didn't he get a move during the summer to a better club? Ability only takes a player so far.
I think Amavi has done ok to be fair coming back from his injury, and is continuing to improve.
As for Grealish, I certainly don't think he lacks courage, I think I read he is the most fouled player in the division, hardly the sign of a player scared of being hurt. As for his professionalism, yes he has made a few mistakes, which have been pounced on. One of my favourite players as a teenager was Andy Gray and he was well known for his partying. He seems to have realised he needs to change, what annoys me is the fact all the good things, and there are many, that he does for the club and community go largely unnoticed.
Chester, we will have to disagree. Pullis has his tactics, wasn't he playing Chester and Johnny Evans at full back at times, that Dawson lad as well? What makes you think he is a follower than a leader?
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Did you not see Chester in the France 2016 euros he was one of the top performing defenders in the whole tournament. Interceptions, tackles and passing high stats. Great defending in all matches and wondered at time villa should get him and why wba didn't make use. Chester is top quality for this league and should be in prem we also have to acknowledge his efforts with his broken nose and still playing putting his head in.
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Did you not see Chester in the France 2016 euros he was one of the top performing defenders in the whole tournament. Interceptions, tackles and passing high stats. Great defending in all matches and wondered at time villa should get him and why wba didn't make use. Chester is top quality for this league and should be in prem we also have to acknowledge his efforts with his broken nose and still playing putting his head in.
Ah but, Skillzy, he's a bluffer and a prick. Jaysis.
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I agree, not sure how Villa got him, but other teams loss and our gain.
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In what way are Amavi and Grealish lacking courage as you suggest? As for Chester, I think he is premiership quality, not top 6 or 7 but good enough for the rest IMO. Ayew I don't think wants to be at the club and if that is the case, let him go
Amavi loves jumping over the ball during tackles, don't get the love in for him on here at all. Better than Cissokho isn't much praise. His recovery pace is getting him out of problems at this level that he didnt get away with at a higher level. His supposed attacking threat hasn't been seen at all this season either.
Grealish, think he lacks courage to take the ball in areas of the pitch where you are going to get kicked, to play in the number ten role you have to have that even in the second division.
more professionalism, or lack of, with him off the pitch is why he is at a mid table second division team. That crap for his 21st birthday would have been a sacking offence for another player given his previous. Woeful beyond belief for us last year, Roy Keane for Forest it certainly wasn't.
If Chester was that good why didn't these clubs go for him in the bottom half of the top division in the summer? He is a decent player but a follower not a leader. Diabolical mistake for the Norwich goal, not the greatest positional sense either I've noticed. Why did Pulis keep picking a 35/36 year old Gareth Mcauley over him last year?
Players at our club can't keep blaming everyone else for their shameful performances.
Same for Ayew, why didn't he get a move during the summer to a better club? Ability only takes a player so far.
Bet you're great on a night out.
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Comparing Grealish to Keane? Completely different players. How many penalties has he earned so far this season? Average times fouled per game?
Grealish can do better, that's for sure. But there are some things you are overlooking.
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Blimey, one loss where Bruce got the tactics and set up wrong and all of a sudden our players are crap...
When your midfield doesn't press, as ours didn't, it just gives Grealish no space, no time and they know he's our play-maker and shut him down time after time. If we'd have given them problems further up the pitch with the midfield, it would have given them another players to worry about and Jack would have had more time and space...
As for Amavi, considering the injury he came back from (and lots underestimate the impact that has on a player, at whatever level), he's just got better and better and will be a class above this season. He won't be with us for long if we don't go up. The better we play, the better he will play.
You could have stuck Aguero up top against Norwich and he'd have been wondering around thinking, where the hell is the midfield and why can't anyone get the ball to me.
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Bloke at work reckons we have been linked with Schlupp from Leicester. Good signing if true.
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Depends on the price. I'm sure people were talking £13m in the summer
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In what way are Amavi and Grealish lacking courage as you suggest? As for Chester, I think he is premiership quality, not top 6 or 7 but good enough for the rest IMO. Ayew I don't think wants to be at the club and if that is the case, let him go
Amavi loves jumping over the ball during tackles, don't get the love in for him on here at all. Better than Cissokho isn't much praise. His recovery pace is getting him out of problems at this level that he didnt get away with at a higher level. His supposed attacking threat hasn't been seen at all this season either.
Grealish, think he lacks courage to take the ball in areas of the pitch where you are going to get kicked, to play in the number ten role you have to have that even in the second division.
more professionalism, or lack of, with him off the pitch is why he is at a mid table second division team. That crap for his 21st birthday would have been a sacking offence for another player given his previous. Woeful beyond belief for us last year, Roy Keane for Forest it certainly wasn't.
If Chester was that good why didn't these clubs go for him in the bottom half of the top division in the summer? He is a decent player but a follower not a leader. Diabolical mistake for the Norwich goal, not the greatest positional sense either I've noticed. Why did Pulis keep picking a 35/36 year old Gareth Mcauley over him last year?
Players at our club can't keep blaming everyone else for their shameful performances.
Same for Ayew, why didn't he get a move during the summer to a better club? Ability only takes a player so far.
Bet you're great on a night out.
This! Hilarious
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Bloke at work reckons we have been linked with Schlupp from Leicester. Good signing if true.
my Daughter is a teacher at a school in Milton Keynes that he once attended
the 4 house names at the school are taken from former pupils that have done stuff-
Jeff Schupp - football
Andrew Baggaley - Table Tennis
Andrew Choy - Pianist
Stella Akambi - very promising athlete who sadly lost her life
random sunday info
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I know Bruce keeps playing down us signing a striker in Jan, however I'd be amazed if he's not looking at a mimum of a loan forward.
Gestede and Ross linked up well at home v Rotherham earlier this season, maybe that could be revisited in the short term until JK gets back?
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David Villa on loan in the MLS closed season.
Guaranteed shirt sales if nothing else.
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I know Bruce keeps playing down us signing a striker in Jan, however I'd be amazed if he's not looking at a mimum of a loan forward.
Gestede and Ross linked up well at home v Rotherham earlier this season, maybe that could be revisited in the short term until JK gets back?
Painfully slow front two though and we don't exactly have speedsters in midfield
Think Bruce will be open to trading at least Gestede and maybe even McCormack in Jan
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Just read that apparently Snodgrass is out of contract end of the season.
Paper thought 4m would be enough to tempt Hull to sell him.
I think he'd be an excellent pick up for us....Adomah's pace on the right and his crossing on the left and we might actually start putting a competent midfield out.
He can also still influence prem games so wouldn't just be a signing for the championship.
Similar to Grealish but a bit more productive at this stage of both their careers.
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Daniel Johnson
Tom cairney
Houlihane or whatever his name is from Barnsley
Plus definitely a centre back or someone who can play full back and centre back
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I think it wss mentioned in the Sky commentary that Bruce was at the Cardiff v Barnsley game yesterday.
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I think it wss mentioned in the Sky commentary that Bruce was at the Cardiff v Barnsley game yesterday.
Isn't he watching enough shit football?
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I think it wss mentioned in the Sky commentary that Bruce was at the Cardiff v Barnsley game yesterday.
Scouting them for our game in a couple of weeks?
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Having watched Villa in recent weeks Bruce has definitely improved us but we have a massive squad imbalance and for me we have to many selfish greedy players. The below is the list of players who can go
Ayew - bad character, selfish and greedy
McCormack - we won't be able to get rid of him but he just doesn't fit what we're trying to do too slow
Gabby- again won't go but simply not good enough
Elphick- slow ponderous and not good enough baker makes him look so bad which is saying something.
Westwood- has had so many years to prove himself and never has
Cissokho - out of favour and not very good can go if we can get a decent replacement in
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New striker - we need a striker who can hold the ball up not just bounce off him. We need a more mobile version of gestede.
New athletic midfielder - strong mobile midfield runner. Mo Diame type
New keeper - bunn deserves a run but neither him or gollini are good enough
Utility fullback on loan
Centre back on loan to cover baker and Chester
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With Gabby and Richards still here there's plenty of shite still to shift. Hopefully some prize plums out there such as Moyes will come in for Richards and Lambert for Gabby (wishful thinking I know).
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I'd try and get one of Jack Cork/Henri Lansbury/Jake Livermore probably. We need something better in there.
Striker is a priority, Rhodes on loan would be ideal for me and have Kodj playing off him.
Talk of two loan signings 'verbally agreed' - assuming they're Johnstone and Jenkinson.
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What's this Gestede to Boro or Palace rumour that's going around? If we could get our money back for him and put that towards the new midfielder fund, that plus Johnstone and Jenkinson I think would be a reasonably solid window. Would be nice to get another striker of course, but I'm skeptical anyone decent will really be available and won't have better options than us.
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Our current team simply isn't good enough as it stands to make and stay in the top six. Happy to have McCormack and Ayew on the bench but they're too mercurial to be regular starters. At the very least we need two midfielders, a striker and a right back in the next month that can go straight in and improve our starting eleven.
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
I agree. But I will raise you a John Fashanu.
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Ayew - bad character, selfish and greedy
I'm getting increasingly fed up of reading this nonsense. Bad character? says who?. If he's selfish and greedy (rather than simply being guilty of making bad decisions from time to time) what is Kodjia ?
Shopping list must haves for me
Right back. Absolutely essential. I've never known a right back get some much of the ball as Hutton does and then do absolutely nothing useful with it. Shocking player
Left sided centre back as cover for Baker.
Two central midfielders, preferably of the athletic and forward thinking variety to play with Jedinak
A striker, because come January the though of us relying on Gabby, Rudy and McCormack to fire in enough golas petrifies me
That said, maybe Rudy and Ross will link better than Ross with any other striker we have. They didn't look to bad early season together from memory
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Daniel Johnson
Tom cairney
Houlihane or whatever his name is from Barnsley
Plus definitely a centre back or someone who can play full back and centre back
I bet that Daniel Johnson is good.
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That Ryan Woods from Brentford was good and wiki tells me that he's from Cannock.
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That Ryan Woods from Brentford was good and wiki tells me that he's from Cannock.
I think Dean Smith took him from Walsalls youth system.
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
I agree. But I will raise you a John Fashanu.
Tony Cascarino, Gary Penrice, Carlton Cole, Bosco Balaban....?
To be fair, I understand Gestede is not everyone's cup of tea, technique and team play are certainly not his forte but at this level and with the right supply he is still a threat in the air. Even taking him out of it, we still don't need a striker, money should be spent elsewhere.
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
I agree. But I will raise you a John Fashanu.
Tony Cascarino, Gary Penrice, Carlton Cole, Bosco Balaban....?
To be fair, I understand Gestede is not everyone's cup of tea, technique and team play are certainly not his forte but at this level and with the right supply he is still a threat in the air. Even taking him out of it, we still don't need a striker, money should be spent elsewhere.
Get a decent left winger who can cross a ball and a decent right back who can cross a ball, play 442 and have wingers and fullbacks working together on both sides to get crosses in between the keeper and defence, get 7-8 decent crosses into that area per game and Gestede could get you 20-30 in a season at this level because he comes onto the ball with so much strength and power that he's almost unstoppable. Teams would learn quickly that you have to shut down our wide players but that would also create space for Kodjia/Ayew/Ross to find pockets around the box where they can be dangerous as well.
I'm not a big fan of 442 I think it leaves you far too rigid against better sides but with our forward options it's probably the simplest way to get out of this league.
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I'd try and get one of Jack Cork/Henri Lansbury/Jake Livermore probably. We need something better in there.
Striker is a priority, Rhodes on loan would be ideal for me and have Kodj playing off him.
Talk of two loan signings 'verbally agreed' - assuming they're Johnstone and Jenkinson.
Gesdtede has been linked with Middlesbrough with Rhodes mentioned as possible part exchange. He'd do nicely, his record's better than a goal every other game at this level and still only 26.
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Hope this is the right thread ....One piece of good news re RHM ,according to the Meaning Evil he is about to sign a 3 year deal .....Godzvilla!
Breaking: New deal for Hepburn-Murphy
It’s understood that Rushian Hepburn Murphy is set to sign a new three year deal with the club. More to follow.
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
I agree. But I will raise you a John Fashanu.
Tony Cascarino, Gary Penrice, Carlton Cole, Bosco Balaban....?
To be fair, I understand Gestede is not everyone's cup of tea, technique and team play are certainly not his forte but at this level and with the right supply he is still a threat in the air. Even taking him out of it, we still don't need a striker, money should be spent elsewhere.
Get a decent left winger who can cross a ball and a decent right back who can cross a ball, play 442 and have wingers and fullbacks working together on both sides to get crosses in between the keeper and defence, get 7-8 decent crosses into that area per game and Gestede could get you 20-30 in a season at this level because he comes onto the ball with so much strength and power that he's almost unstoppable. Teams would learn quickly that you have to shut down our wide players but that would also create space for Kodjia/Ayew/Ross to find pockets around the box where they can be dangerous as well.
I'm not a big fan of 442 I think it leaves you far too rigid against better sides but with our forward options it's probably the simplest way to get out of this league.
Only problem we have at the minute playing 4-4-2 is that Jedinak, Gardner and Westwood are nowhere near mobile enough to play in a midfield two. I mentioned it in another thread but we need to find a formation that allows us to play three in midfield and two up front. Kodjia looked a lot better with someone up there with him.
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I think Kodjia just needs to have defensive responsibility taken away from him, as soon as he can play right up top and not have to worry too much about tracking back he looks a great player.
A better midfielder to partner with Jedinak is a must regardless.
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I can't believe all the Premier League interest in Gestede.
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I can't believe all the Premier League interest in Gestede.
I can't believe its actually true !!
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I can't believe all the Premier League interest in Gestede.
Boro seem strangely keen to reassemble our terrible relegation side
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
To be fair Gilles De Bilde was pretty shit.
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
I agree. But I will raise you a John Fashanu.
Tony Cascarino, Gary Penrice, Carlton Cole, Bosco Balaban....?
To be fair, I understand Gestede is not everyone's cup of tea, technique and team play are certainly not his forte but at this level and with the right supply he is still a threat in the air. Even taking him out of it, we still don't need a striker, money should be spent elsewhere.
Get a decent left winger who can cross a ball and a decent right back who can cross a ball, play 442 and have wingers and fullbacks working together on both sides to get crosses in between the keeper and defence, get 7-8 decent crosses into that area per game and Gestede could get you 20-30 in a season at this level because he comes onto the ball with so much strength and power that he's almost unstoppable. Teams would learn quickly that you have to shut down our wide players but that would also create space for Kodjia/Ayew/Ross to find pockets around the box where they can be dangerous as well.
I'm not a big fan of 442 I think it leaves you far too rigid against better sides but with our forward options it's probably the simplest way to get out of this league.
Only problem we have at the minute playing 4-4-2 is that Jedinak, Gardner and Westwood are nowhere near mobile enough to play in a midfield two. I mentioned it in another thread but we need to find a formation that allows us to play three in midfield and two up front. Kodjia looked a lot better with someone up there with him.
Well there's only two ways to do that: 352 or diamond. No adomah with either
I would like to see the diamond tried
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
To be fair Gilles De Bilde was pretty shit.
Grant holt??
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Everyone seems to think that we need a new striker, but where is he going to play? We currently have last years player of the year plus 3 other strikers who have scored 20+ goals at this level, plus Adomah and Grealish as extra wide options. McCormack and Gestede may not have scored a hatful this season but they have been in and out of the team and had very little supply. And that's what we need, supply and energy from midfield to create and support the strikers. A goalkeeper and stand in centre back would be a big plus as well.
While I accept the fact that Gestede had one great goalscoring season at this level for Blackburn, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will get close to doing it again for us. Furthermore I'm struggling to think of a worse centre forward to have led the line for Villa since 1970.
I agree. But I will raise you a John Fashanu.
Tony Cascarino, Gary Penrice, Carlton Cole, Bosco Balaban....?
To be fair, I understand Gestede is not everyone's cup of tea, technique and team play are certainly not his forte but at this level and with the right supply he is still a threat in the air. Even taking him out of it, we still don't need a striker, money should be spent elsewhere.
Get a decent left winger who can cross a ball and a decent right back who can cross a ball, play 442 and have wingers and fullbacks working together on both sides to get crosses in between the keeper and defence, get 7-8 decent crosses into that area per game and Gestede could get you 20-30 in a season at this level because he comes onto the ball with so much strength and power that he's almost unstoppable. Teams would learn quickly that you have to shut down our wide players but that would also create space for Kodjia/Ayew/Ross to find pockets around the box where they can be dangerous as well.
I'm not a big fan of 442 I think it leaves you far too rigid against better sides but with our forward options it's probably the simplest way to get out of this league.
It's not just a matter of getting crosses into him. Players have to get to the byeline and pull the ball back for him or level with him and curl the ball back so that he is running on to it. He is not strong enough to hold off challenges when players are tight on him.
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I can't believe all the Premier League interest in Gestede.
Palace, I get, to an extent. Two wingers who provide consistent deliveries from out wide = he might look more useful than a coat hanger.
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If Villa bring in players who can cross the ball consistently, we may decide to keep him. He's done it with Blackburn, why not with Villa?
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The Doc just blew any rumours of Amavi leaving out of the water.
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If Villa bring in players who can cross the ball consistently, we may decide to keep him. He's done it with Blackburn, why not with Villa?
It's not that he's unable to do so, it's far more to do with whether it would really help us that much to try and get the most out of him, compared to, say, getting players who would maximise Kodjia's strengths, or whatever.
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I hope that if Hepburn does sign a new 3 year deal, that he gets a chance to prove himself in the first team, and does not just sit in the stands every Saturday watching the games for the next 3 years
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Gestede has had one very effective season with Blackburn. He's extremely limited and affects the way the team has to play
If someone offers £7m for him I'd snap their hands off
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Gestede has had one very effective season with Blackburn. He's extremely limited and affects the way the team has to play
If someone offers £7m for him I'd snap their hands off
I would too, same with Ayew.
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Bit more for Ayew. Bit more glitzy. No more effective than Rudy just more flash. Given the same amount of game time as Ayew, RHM would have at least six goals and assists by now.
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Ayew strikes me as arrogant, thinks he is too good to be playing at this level, doesn't put a shift in & looks like he is sulking
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surely only we would be stupid enough to buy Gestede? - he's not up to the Championship as a starter, let alone the PL
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we cant lose Gestede
whos going to communicate with Kodji if we sell Rudy
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Ayew strikes me as arrogant, thinks he is too good to be playing at this level, doesn't put a shift in & looks like he is sulking
he's always had a face like a slapped arse.
pushed out at marseille, sulked out of lorient.
club should get rid.
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Ayew strikes me as arrogant, thinks he is too good to be playing at this level, doesn't put a shift in & looks like he is sulking
Tbf he is top level player and proved it last season. The non passing is main concern for me. Shift wise at times hes got stuck in and gave it a go but agree he has a permanent sulk juat way he is though. What i find most annoying is hia clear ability but lack of team play and goals scoring. However hes been unlucky with screamers hitting woodwork on occasions. Move him on and bring in someone like Callum Mcmaanan or Giovanni Dos Santos for the flair
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we cant lose Gestede
whos going to communicate with Kodji if we sell Rudy
BE can teach him English as a foreign language or via French.
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surely only we would be stupid enough to buy Gestede? - he's not up to the Championship as a starter, let alone the PL
Thank heaven for Mr Pulis
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I would agree that if anyone is daft enough to offer 7 million pounds for Gestede we should snap their hand off!
Not sure McCormack, Gabby and RHM going to be enough to keep us going in January though with our other strikers away at the AFCON so we may need another option up front...
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Sell Gestede and go for Hernandez, maybe even Rhodes on loan too. Shit or bust!
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surely only we would be stupid enough to buy Gestede? - he's not up to the Championship as a starter, let alone the PL
Thank heaven for Mr Pulis
I'm writing to Santa - using him to collect up all the spare carrots he finds on Saturday night - then give them to Pullis as a thank-you.
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Ayew strikes me as arrogant, thinks he is too good to be playing at this level, doesn't put a shift in & looks like he is sulking
How does he strike you as arrogant?
Very bored of this nonsense now. He always works (even if, lately, without much success). If he thought he was too good for this level, he would've stamped his way to a move in the Summer.
As for "sulking", who gives a shit? Since when did everyone on here become amateur body language experts?
The same drivel has been said about Andy Murray for years. And Stephen Henry and Michael Schumacher, come to think of it.
Maybe sulking isn't a barrier to sporting success.
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Maybe sulking isn't a barrier to sporting success.
Isn't sulking once you've had sporting success a different proposition to doing it before you have?
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Why does it matter if anyone sulks? In any case, Murray was being slagged off for being miserable long before he started to pick up major titles.
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Lewis Hamilton is a sulky punchable git out of the car, but once in it, fantastic. Its when they sulk in the game they need a slap
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Why does it matter if anyone sulks? In any case, Murray was being slagged off for being miserable long before he started to pick up major titles.
Murray is a winner who plays for himself and shows passion when he plays. Ayew plays part of a team, Iwould be pi$$ed off with his demeanour....lack of passion etc. He has done f*ck all for us so far.
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Lewis Hamilton is a sulky punchable git out of the car, but once in it, fantastic. Its when they sulk in the game they need a slap
He's got a helmet on. How do you know if he's sulking? And in any case you'd slap someone because you don't like the expression on their face?
You sound like a lovely person.
As I recall, all this "sulking" bollocks started when he was deemed not to have celebrated a goal with sufficient exuberance, during one of the worst runs in our history.
An utterly bizarre and pathetic thing to castigate someone for.
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Why does it matter if anyone sulks? In any case, Murray was being slagged off for being miserable long before he started to pick up major titles.
Murray is a winner who plays for himself and shows passion when he plays. Ayew plays part of a team, Iwould be pi$$ed off with his demeanour....lack of passion etc. He has done f*ck all for us so far.
He was our best player last season and has already contributed, albeit not as much as we would have hoped, this season.
To say he has "done fuck all" is just hyperbolic and moronic revisionism.
All because he is deemed not to be sufficiently smiley!
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Yeah, imagine how less use Carol Smilie would be in his place. We're much better off with moody Jordan.
In fact, it must be difficult for Carol to live-up to her name. Does she ever get down and just frown cos she feels like it?
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Smily, sulky or whatever, Ayew hasn't got anywhere near his potential all season. For that reason, I'd move him on and invest the money in whoever Bruce feels will benefit the team.
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The club needs to issue rules to the squad on what is an acceptable demeanour for a player so as not to upset fans. Smile too much, fuck off Bacuna. Don't smile enough, fuck off Ayew.
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The club needs to issue rules to the squad on what is an acceptable demeanour for a player so as not to upset fans. Smile too much, fuck off Bacuna. Don't smile enough, fuck off Ayew.
I'm sure Bruce rolled his eyes at me a few games ago too. This club is still rotten.
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James Tarkowski being mentioned.
He has fantastic ears.
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The club needs to issue rules to the squad on what is an acceptable demeanour for a player so as not to upset fans. Smile too much, fuck off Bacuna. Don't smile enough, fuck off Ayew.
love it
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Lewis Hamilton is a sulky punchable git out of the car, but once in it, fantastic. Its when they sulk in the game they need a slap
He's got a helmet on. How do you know if he's sulking? And in any case you'd slap someone because you don't like the expression on their face?
You sound like a lovely person.
As I recall, all this "sulking" bollocks started when he was deemed not to have celebrated a goal with sufficient exuberance, during one of the worst runs in our history.
An utterly bizarre and pathetic thing to castigate someone for.
What the f are you on about. I said that Lewis was a sulky git, not looked like one. The point was he doesn't mope about in the car, he is fantastic. And the same applies to a player. I don't care what expression he has on his face, you can barely see this from the stands anyway. You can however have a pretty good idea if a player is putting everything into the game, or sulking away, Nzogbia would be a good example, the slap I suggested is how I felt when watching him, because you know that he has the ability in there to do something special, he just hid it really really really well. Westwood gets dogs abuse on these pages and at the games, but is always giving it his best (You can argue whether his best is good enough). Lots of queries about why he gets picked, by manager after manager to play, I would suggest his attitude has a lot to do with this.
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Just curious as to how Ayew has been deemed a waste of space after he was our best player last season and was our best player under De Matteo. He was the only one who looked arsed at all in some games last season. His form has dipped a bit since Bruce came in, and he's looked a bit pissed off sitting on the subs bench, so all of a sudden he's shite and a total bell end.
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
Apart from when he lost the ball three times against wigan in injury time and couldnt be arsed trying to get it back
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So what's all this about Brenford's Scott Hogan then? It's all over Facebook etc. Any thoughts on him?
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So what's all this about Brenford's Scott Hogan then? It's all over Facebook etc. Any thoughts on him?
Ball greedy, seemed to shoot from anywhere. Scored quite a few this season and being arrogant isn't necessarily a bad thing for a footballer
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Ayew's form so far in a lower league is 1 in 10........... garbage! We all know he's better than that but for whatever reason he isn't doing the business.
When shite like Danny Graham have 8 goals you have to start being ruthless. If someone comes in for Ayew in Jan I'd sell. The guy isn't interested in playing for us anymore.
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Damon, you've truly made it now!
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
It's not working out because Bruce has only really played him as an out and out winger which means he's far too deep to be dangerous. It's the same problem when he shunts Kodjia out on the left. You can't give your most dangerous attacking players defensive responsibilities, have 40-45% possession and expect them to influence the game, they're spending far too much time around their own box to be able to make things happen around the oppositions. This is why I find myself hoping he buys another battling centre mid and a left winger and just goes 442, I don't like it but I think it's the only chance that we'll see him stop trying to get his strikers to play as wide midfielders.
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Why does it matter if anyone sulks? In any case, Murray was being slagged off for being miserable long before he started to pick up major titles.
Murray is a winner who plays for himself and shows passion when he plays. Ayew plays part of a team, Iwould be pi$$ed off with his demeanour....lack of passion etc. He has done f*ck all for us so far.
He was our best player last season and has already contributed, albeit not as much as we would have hoped, this season.
To say he has "done fuck all" is just hyperbolic and moronic revisionism.
All because he is deemed not to be sufficiently smiley!
Wow, you got me.
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
Apart from when he lost the ball three times against wigan in injury time and couldnt be arsed trying to get it back
Don't say that, you'll be labelled moronic.
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Bit more for Ayew. Bit more glitzy. No more effective than Rudy just more flash. Given the same amount of game time as Ayew, RHM would have at least six goals and assists by now.
I just don't see it. He is slight and not shit off a shovel fast. I admittedly only saw him once last season - in the Arsenal U21 final (I think) and whilst there is promise not enough yet to suggest he is anywhere near first team action.
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Apparently Nixon the journo has tweeted about a big bid from a championship club for Scott Hogan.
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From what I've seen of Hogan I think he's a decent striker (but nothing more) and isn't what we need to address the major problems with the team, at some point we need to look at where and when our current strikers get the ball and realise that they're not going to score from those positions. Work in training to close the gap between midfield and attack and improve the quality of the play into the box with a good signing or 2 and we've got 4 strikers who could get 10 each in the 2nd half of the season (in my opinion).
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
Apart from when he lost the ball three times against wigan in injury time and couldnt be arsed trying to get it back
Don't say that, you'll be labelled moronic.
I wasn't able to attend the Wigan game so can't comment. But if it was injury time, maybe he was knackered?
I still stand by my assertion that saying that Ayew has "done fuck all" throughout his entire Villa career, as you suggested, is ludicrous.
You don't do your argument any favours when you just make stuff up. Mind you, that is a tactic that has been quite succesful this year, maybe you're onto something.
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
Apart from when he lost the ball three times against wigan in injury time and couldnt be arsed trying to get it back
Don't say that, you'll be labelled moronic.
Yeah, because it was actually four times he gave it away.
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
Apart from when he lost the ball three times against wigan in injury time and couldnt be arsed trying to get it back
He looked plenty arsed in the first part of the season and most of last season, when the rest of his teammates couldn't give a tinker's cuss.
You see what you want to see, I guess.
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I believe Ayew has been trying his best, it's not working out at the moment. It did as recently as a few months ago, so it's hardly the same as Westwood or Agbonlahor who have been useless for half a decade.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Ayew has a bad attitude. If he did, he'd have already forced his way out of the club like Gana, Downing, Delph, etc.
Apart from when he lost the ball three times against wigan in injury time and couldnt be arsed trying to get it back
He looked plenty arsed in the first part of the season and most of last season, when the rest of his teammates couldn't give a tinker's cuss.
You see what you want to see, I guess.
Like everyone else
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This season though? There is a good player in there, if only he could be arsed.
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I just don't see the "not arsed" thing. I see him unsure of where he needs to be and often running into rubbish areas. I don't see him not trying though.
Still think we should try him as a midfielder, not a winger or a forward. We are desperately short there and I feel the area would suit him.
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According to the Beeb gossip its us in for Hogan and the Tescos are going to pay £7m for Rudy.......please let this be so!!
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According to the Beeb gossip its us in for Hogan and the Tescos are going to pay £7m for Rudy.......please let this be so!!
Yesterday Beeb gossip said Palace and Boro were in for Rudy. Let the bargaining begin.
Premier League clubs with more money than sense are like Viv Nicholson.*
*Young readers google her name. Even easier type in Spend, Spend, Spend.
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Rudy must have an exceptional agent.
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Rudy must have an exceptional agent.
watch Pulis make him world class ish
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Rudy must have an exceptional agent.
watch Pulis make him world class ish
No but he'll get wingers putting the ball on his head to attack in the box...
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The club needs to issue rules to the squad on what is an acceptable demeanour for a player so as not to upset fans. Smile too much, fuck off Bacuna. Don't smile enough, fuck off Ayew.
This basically. Some people have an awful lot of strange rules about what is acceptable behaviour for a footballer.
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I just don't see the "not arsed" thing. I see him unsure of where he needs to be and often running into rubbish areas. I don't see him not trying though.
Still think we should try him as a midfielder, not a winger or a forward. We are desperately short there and I feel the area would suit him.
Fair enough. I would like to see more out of him...as said there is a player in there who may bw able to turn it on for us. So far this season he hasn't IMO.
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villa linked with alan judge at brentford.
contract is up in the summer. newcastle in for him as well.
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villa linked with alan judge at brentford.
contract is up in the summer. newcastle in for him as well.
He's had a pretty serious knee injury and I'm not sure if he is even back playing yet. Was good last season for them though.
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The club needs to issue rules to the squad on what is an acceptable demeanour for a player so as not to upset fans. Smile too much, fuck off Bacuna. Don't smile enough, fuck off Ayew.
Agreed. There needs to rules governing minimum and maximum smiles and frowns.
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I just don't see the "not arsed" thing. I see him unsure of where he needs to be and often running into rubbish areas. I don't see him not trying though.
Still think we should try him as a midfielder, not a winger or a forward. We are desperately short there and I feel the area would suit him.
Fair enough. I would like to see more out of him...as said there is a player in there who may bw able to turn it on for us. So far this season he hasn't IMO.
Best player on the pitch v Sheffield Wednesday away, Derby away, Forest and Newcastle at home and our biggest attacking threat in a whole host of other games up to November.
The type of player he is means that he won't necessarily provide the final pass before a goal or chance, but he will have opened up the space for us to get that chance in the first place.
That said, I would have expected more goals and assists. His enthusiasm seems to have nosedived since about the time Flabby returned to the team. The manner of our relegation was bad enough. Letting a complete putz like that waddle back in the starting XI might indicate we are only playing at getting promotion. So I'd get his frustration, and if he's had offers, he could be distracted. But I'd still expect better.
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I think it is fair to say we have to yet found the best positions for most of our attacking players yet. I'm unsure whether that is players failing to follow instructions or the manager not identify their best positions or coaching them to adapt. Grealish, McCormack, Ayew, even Kodjia all seem to fit in between the more traditional roles, and are arguably a bit too unorthodox for Bruce.
Seems a bit unfair to single Ayew out for this fault. Mind you, thinking about it, the same conversation is taking place on most of the above player's threads.
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I thought he was easily our best player in the first quarter of the season
But he's been rubbish recently
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From memory, all almost all of Ayew's best bits have come from him cutting in from the left, yet (I think) he's only played on the right handside under Bruce, where he's largely ineffective. Similarly, Kodjia has only played well either down the middle, or coming in from the right handside (v Brentford). Is it just me or do they just need to be swapped over?
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Does anybody know what facial expression the Brentford player favours?
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Does anybody know what facial expression the Brentford player favours?
(https://www.askideas.com/media/24/Messed-Teeth-Man-Funny-Smiley-Face.jpg)
They seem a happy bunch
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Does anybody know what facial expression the Brentford player favours?
Hope it's not puzzled, like Agbonlahor.
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Does anybody know what facial expression the Brentford player favours?
(https://www.askideas.com/media/24/Messed-Teeth-Man-Funny-Smiley-Face.jpg)
They seem a happy bunch
How is Darius these days?
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He spends a lot of time at the dentist's.
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Not enough by the look of it
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Wasn't this get the body double for The Thing?
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For me, the problem with Ayew is not laziness or even his facial expression. It's that he tries to do too much sometimes. He loses the ball more than any other player because he dallies with it too long thinking he can take players on when its sometimes easier to lay if off. He can be very frustrating to watch.
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For me, the problem with Ayew is not laziness or even his facial expression. It's that he tries to do too much sometimes. He loses the ball more than any other player because he dallies with it too long thinking he can take players on when its sometimes easier to lay if off. He can be very frustrating to watch.
Agree with that
he needs to be far more direct, tippy tappy slow paced sideways play doesnt even trouble the shit defences in this league
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Ayew is one of those players who will largely frustrate and fail to fulfill expectations I'm afraid. We need a bit more stability than his mercurial talent.
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Bruce has said one deal is verbally agreed and another close. Any idea who?
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Bruce has said one deal is verbally agreed and another close. Any idea who?
Sam Johnstone's named was mentioned during the QPR commentary. I hope the other is a midfielder or centre half.
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Sam Johnstone, the right back Jenkinson at Arsenal and his son (of course) are the three names that have been regularly linked. So I expect it is any two from that three.
His son seems like the only one who would realistically agree as early as he did (end of Nov). Reckon other players would have hedged their bets to wait and see if we were anywhere near the play-offs in Jan.
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We need a centre-midfielder and a striker. A striker is very important, IMO - just because Kodjia looks so much better having someone to play off and coming on to the ball, as opposed to having it played in to him.
Letting Gestede and Ayew go (because it's unrealistic to get shot of Ross), and getting in Rhodes, Brady and Cairney would do me.
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I'd be slightly disappointed (but not distraught) if he brings his son in. He seemed to be third choice at Hull behind Chester/ Dawson and Davies, and seems to be a fairly limited footballer. However it's clear that we need someone better than Elphick as third choice.
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I'd be slightly disappointed (but not distraught) if he brings his son in. He seemed to be third choice at Hull behind Chester/ Dawson and Davies, and seems to be a fairly limited footballer. However it's clear that we need someone better than Elphick as third choice.
Baker has done well so far this season, but watching the Newcastle game last night I was thinking how good a Chester and Clark partnership could have been.
I think we definitely need centre half cover, but would maybe look for a loan and properly address the issue in the summer.
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Article in the Mirror about us being interested in QPR's keeper for £4mil, also possible interest in Ayew:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-make-4m-move-9512572
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Article in the Mirror about us being interested in QPR's keeper for £4mil, also possible interest in Ayew:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-make-4m-move-9512572
Would be a great signing.
Wonder if Gollini would go out on loan? I think he's a talented keeper, just lacks English league experience.
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Also a story on Rhodes here:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2483194/middlesbrough-transfer-news-jordan-rhodes-will-cost-aston-villa-12million-if-they-make-swoop/
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The young keeper who fluffed it for Kodjia's winner?
Out the frying pan into the blast furnace.
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The young keeper who fluffed it for Kodjia's winner?
Out the frying pan into the blast furnace.
Looked like he had a Brad Guzan sized hole at his near post.
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The young keeper who fluffed it for Kodjia's winner?
Out the frying pan into the blast furnace.
That's like saying you wouldn't sign Neuer (?) from Bayern because he dropped that cross vs Dortmund a couple of weeks ago. ;)
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Well no, it's not really. As Neuer has been a top class keeper for the best part of ten years.
If we're bombing Gollini out (and I'm still not entirely sure we should be doing that) we need someone who is a marked improvement.
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Well no, it's not really. As Neuer has been a top class keeper for the best part of ten years.
If we're bombing Gollini out (and I'm still not entirely sure we should be doing that) we need someone who is a marked improvement.
As I mentioned I think Gollini has the potential to be a top keeper, he just needs experience in the English game. I agree, we certainly shouldn't be bombing him out.
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Well no, it's not really. As Neuer has been a top class keeper for the best part of ten years.
If we're bombing Gollini out (and I'm still not entirely sure we should be doing that) we need someone who is a marked improvement.
As I mentioned I think Gollini has the potential to be a top keeper, he just needs experience in the English game. I agree, we certainly shouldn't be bombing him out.
I also agree, but he does look weak to his left, but wish him really well here.
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The Free Agent 11 from hell:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/10687905/free-agent-xi-featuring-emmanuel-adebayor-joey-barton-and-raul-meireles
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So they put Joey Barton in the headline but not the article, because he's not a free agent. Maybe changing the headline should have been considered.
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The Free Agent 11 from hell:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/10687905/free-agent-xi-featuring-emmanuel-adebayor-joey-barton-and-raul-meireles
filled with our trash.
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Still some big names on that list. Old and knackered knees though. Essien, Miereles would be useful if they were fit enough. That said, if they were, they would have no doubts been picked up by clubs by now.
I like the look of this Barnsley lad, Hourihane?
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I really think that the best deals are going to be found from the division that we are currently playing in. PL players of any standard will not consider dropping down a division, only the poorest ones. I'd sooner go for good players from sides in the championship (although I'm not entirely sure who we should target, other than snippets that I've read on here)
Interestingly, 3 or 4 of our squad have been linked with moves away. I know Bruce has stated that it isn't going to be an earth shattering window in terms of signings but I'm beginning to think that it may be interesting. I don't think anyone will be surprised if a new goalie and midfielder arrive. We could also see a striker going out, paving the way for one to come in. That's a minimum of 3 key positions. I have a feeling 3 or even 4 signings, all of the calibre to start games will come in, in January and one or two key squad players will go the other way.
I'm looking forward to it now.
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Smithies
Snodgrass
Rhodes
All fall into that catagory (calibre to start) Old Kodjia, and, importantly, gettable.
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Smithies
Snodgrass
Rhodes
All fall into that catagory (calibre to start) Old Kodjia, and, importantly, gettable.
I have to admit to not knowing much about non-Villa players, so wouldn't attempt to suggest players. Most fans speak positively about Snodgrass (as they do about Brady at Norwich and also Hourihane at Barnsley). After being a tad sceptical about Rhodes at first, he is now growing on me and if we are to shell out, then I think he may be a better bet than Hogan from Brentford, given his record in the division.
I'd be excited by any of the names mentioned, as you say, they would make us a stronger unit instantly. I'm not sure what kind of competition we'd face for Snodgrass, I've read a couple of PL sides linked to him recently.
lets keep our fingers crossed for an eventful window. I don't think that we'll be disappointed, after all, we are still a big attraction to the majority of players out there.
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Article in the Mirror about us being interested in QPR's keeper for £4mil, also possible interest in Ayew:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-make-4m-move-9512572
I asked my QPR-supporting mate what he made of this while he was at Brighton watching them get thumped. This was his reply:
Smithies is our best player by a street and the rumour is we have to sell before we can buy. £4m seems a bit cheap if you've thrown £14m or whatever at Kodija but I guess we're not in a strong negotiating position.
Sounds alright.
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Rhodes wouldn't suit us, we'd have to set the team up to accomodate him, we're still trying to figure out how to use McCormack properly.
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Rhodes wouldn't suit us, we'd have to set the team up to accomodate him, we're still trying to figure out how to use McCormack properly.
This is what I've always thought-He is a number 10 type player. I just had a look at his height and he's over 6 foot. The other lad (Hogan) is shorter. I think we have to play with an out and out number 9 under Bruce. I wondered whether Rgodes could do that for us for this season and next if we're still down there?
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If we could get Gestede to play like Akins the no.10 from Burton yesterday we wouldn't need to sign another forward.
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I really think that the best deals are going to be found from the division that we are currently playing in. PL players of any standard will not consider dropping down a division, only the poorest ones. I'd sooner go for good players from sides in the championship (although I'm not entirely sure who we should target, other than snippets that I've read on here)
Interestingly, 3 or 4 of our squad have been linked with moves away. I know Bruce has stated that it isn't going to be an earth shattering window in terms of signings but I'm beginning to think that it may be interesting. I don't think anyone will be surprised if a new goalie and midfielder arrive. We could also see a striker going out, paving the way for one to come in. That's a minimum of 3 key positions. I have a feeling 3 or even 4 signings, all of the calibre to start games will come in, in January and one or two key squad players will go the other way.
I'm looking forward to it now.
It's unlikely we are going to be able to prise away players from clubs who are still in the running to go up, so we'd be looking at those playing at struggling clubs and those struggling to get a game at clubs in the lower reaches of the top flight.
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The Free Agent 11 from hell:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/10687905/free-agent-xi-featuring-emmanuel-adebayor-joey-barton-and-raul-meireles
I'd be tempted to give N'Zogbia another try if we could tempt him. Feel he never really got a fair chance at Villa and would work well with Kodjia.
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I really think that the best deals are going to be found from the division that we are currently playing in. PL players of any standard will not consider dropping down a division, only the poorest ones. I'd sooner go for good players from sides in the championship (although I'm not entirely sure who we should target, other than snippets that I've read on here)
Interestingly, 3 or 4 of our squad have been linked with moves away. I know Bruce has stated that it isn't going to be an earth shattering window in terms of signings but I'm beginning to think that it may be interesting. I don't think anyone will be surprised if a new goalie and midfielder arrive. We could also see a striker going out, paving the way for one to come in. That's a minimum of 3 key positions. I have a feeling 3 or even 4 signings, all of the calibre to start games will come in, in January and one or two key squad players will go the other way.
I'm looking forward to it now.
It's unlikely we are going to be able to prise away players from clubs who are still in the running to go up, so we'd be looking at those playing at struggling clubs and those struggling to get a game at clubs in the lower reaches of the top flight.
I disagree. We have already bought McCormack from Fulham, who are above us and Kodjia from Bristol City, who were above us at that point. Barnsley are above us and Brentford are hardly struggling. I would be inclined to steer clear from the top division. However, Rhodes and Snodgrass are both players who have proved themselves at Championship level. Forstieri also wanted to leave Sheff Weds for Newcastle in the summer. We are still an almighty attraction compared to others above us. Besides, the players I've read us linked to are Barnsley, QPR & Brentford. You don't have to play in a side above us in the league to be able to improve what we have already.
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The Free Agent 11 from hell:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/10687905/free-agent-xi-featuring-emmanuel-adebayor-joey-barton-and-raul-meireles
I'd be tempted to give N'Zogbia another try if we could tempt him. Feel he never really got a fair chance at Villa and would work well with Kodjia.
And if Gabriel sees Zog running off into the middle of nowhere with his head down it could reignite his enthusiasm for charging down a channel for a ball which will never come. At least there will be people running.
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The Free Agent 11 from hell:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/10687905/free-agent-xi-featuring-emmanuel-adebayor-joey-barton-and-raul-meireles
I'd be tempted to give N'Zogbia another try if we could tempt him. Feel he never really got a fair chance at Villa and would work well with Kodjia.
Applause!
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The Free Agent 11 from hell:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/10687905/free-agent-xi-featuring-emmanuel-adebayor-joey-barton-and-raul-meireles
I'd be tempted to give N'Zogbia another try if we could tempt him. Feel he never really got a fair chance at Villa and would work well with Kodjia.
Applause!
The Free Agent 11 from hell:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/10687905/free-agent-xi-featuring-emmanuel-adebayor-joey-barton-and-raul-meireles
I'd be tempted to give N'Zogbia another try if we could tempt him. Feel he never really got a fair chance at Villa and would work well with Kodjia.
Quality, well done.
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I feel like we'll need to build a team at some point, rather than trying to cherry-pick good players from other teams because they're working well in said teams. My worry about buying championship players is that if we ever do get promoted we'll need to invest all over again to stay in that league. How many times in the past have we seen clubs steamroll the championship but then get massively found out in the Premier League.
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but didn't the good doctor intimate that was in fact, his strategy - a squad to get promoted, a squad to consolidate and another capable of elevating us to the top six?
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I thought we could have taken advantage of the troubles at Hull, but it seems most of the players I rated for this season have signed new deals. I thought Snodgrass and Livermore could do a great job for us, along with Brady of Norwich and Davis from Blues (sorry)
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The young keeper who fluffed it for Kodjia's winner?
Out the frying pan into the blast furnace.
Looked like he had a Brad Guzan sized hole at his near post.
Let a similar one in but under his body yesterday against Brighton.
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I thought we could have taken advantage of the troubles at Hull, but it seems most of the players I rated for this season have signed new deals. I thought Snodgrass and Livermore could do a great job for us, along with Brady of Norwich and Davis from Blues (sorry)
They haven't signed new deals, the club have exercised extensions on existing contracts which protects the fees they can demand rather than those players being able to negotiate Bosmans in Jan.
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Link to Marty James from Leicester in the Torygraph.
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Link to Marty James from Leicester in the Torygraph.
Matty James...
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Him as well.
Darn you auto correct.
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Gestede off to Middlesbrough according to The Guardian- https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/28/middlesbrough-rudy-gestede-aston-villa
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Gestede off to Middlesbrough according to The Guardian- https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/28/middlesbrough-rudy-gestede-aston-villa
He can stand on the beach with a torch on his head - to warn passing ships.
Not sure if there is a beach there but it is on the coast.
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I'd definitely take our money back for gestede. Not my kind of player at all
Would leave us very light for Jan and Feb though. We must have a replacement in mind. Gabby, McCormack and RHM as the only options would be very light.
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Rudy is a good lad, done some great stuff off the pitch. As a player however, I find his lack of movement unacceptable. He just doesn't offer enough, so if we can recoup our money I think this would be good for me.
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Wouldn't be heartbroken at losing Rudy, but it would be a bit weird if we sell him and acquire Rhodes later in the transfer window.
The best form from the pair of them seems to be when they played together at Blackburn.
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"[Gestede's] departure could lead to the Scotland striker Jordan Rhodes heading the other way, with Villa’s manager, Steve Bruce, interested in signing the player purchased from Blackburn last year."
Assuming Karanka isn't three screws short of a dormouse, Rhodes can't be much of a player if he is prepared to swap him for Justhead.
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I also don't get the logic of Rudy being worth £6m and Rhodes being valued at £12m. At least Rudy has some PL goals on his CV.
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I also don't get the logic of Rudy being worth £6m and Rhodes being valued at £12m. At least Rudy has some PL goals on his CV.
I think Rhodes value is nearer £10 million, which is what Boro paid for him (the fee was undisclosed)
I'd guess that both clubs will just look to recover their initial layout for the players.
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Nice piece about Hourihane here:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11713/10668628/is-barnsleys-conor-hourihane-the-championships-star-player
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Rhodes is a better striker than Rudy. Bruce must have a ready made replacement with Kodjia away in January for the African Nations Cup?
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Wouldn't be surprised to see hernandez from hull come. maybe Rhodes. Brady at Narrrch and I'd take a punt at Judge from Brentford as I think he'll come good and if - as is probable- that we're in the same division next season he'd be ideal. I think a new right-back will come in and I'd be surprised if bruce hasn't lined up a realistic experienced midfielder.
On the out list would be Gestede, Libor, Ayew, Cissokho and maybe Tish if the reports are accurate.
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I like the idea of Hourihane - exactly what our midfield needs. And Rhodes for Rudy would be a good upgrade.
I don't want too many this Jan as we need to integrate them quickly and keep this good run going.
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I really hope we're not after Rhodes, very poor player who'd been 4th or 5th choice up front for me (behind kodjia, ayew, RM and would just be in the way of RHM who I think can become a very good player if he gets a chance).
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I really hope we're not after Rhodes, very poor player who'd been 4th or 5th choice up front for me (behind kodjia, ayew, RM and would just be in the way of RHM who I think can become a very good player if he gets a chance).
Him and McCormack could make a dynamic front pairing of proven goal scorers that don't score any goals.
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If you play to the style of that McCormack enjoys he has proven time and again he can score at this level. We have a bit of a mish mash of things going on up front and non existent midfield. Not every player is going to be like Kodjia where he can create his own opportunities. McCormack needs good service and we've hardly done a lot of that this season.
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If you play to the style of that McCormack enjoys he has proven time and again he can score at this level. We have a bit of a mish mash of things going on up front and non existent midfield. Not every player is going to be like Kodjia where he can create his own opportunities. McCormack needs good service and we've hardly done a lot of that this season.
I know, but I'm getting a bit fed up of those kind of players by now. I prefer the ones like Kodja that come in, adapt and do what you pay them too.
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I like the idea of Hourihane - exactly what our midfield needs. And Rhodes for Rudy would be a good upgrade.
I don't want too many this Jan as we need to integrate them quickly and keep this good run going.
Certainly Hourihane looks as good a prospect as we could realistically hope for next month. I had a look at a couple of Rhodes videos earlier, he his a lot bigger and stronger than I had envisaged. he also scored many goals with his head.
I think we'll get a keeper, right back (on loan) centre mid and at least 1 striker, possibly even 2 if Ayew leaves as well.
The important 2 for me are the centre mid and striker. I agree with TV, although we have quality up top, we are still a bit of a mish mash. Playing under Bruce is more likely to see us starting 433 which means we need a lone striker who can play the line. I wonder whether a 4231 formation would suit our players better?
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4231 would suit a lot of our players
But not the '2' and that's the problem
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I really hope we're not after Rhodes, very poor player who'd been 4th or 5th choice up front for me (behind kodjia, ayew, RM and would just be in the way of RHM who I think can become a very good player if he gets a chance).
I'm not a fan of Rhodes either. I've seen him quite a few times over the years and he makes Darren Bent look like a complete, all-round striker. If he is going to come then I would prefer him on loan until the end of the season.
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Link to Marty James from Leicester in the Torygraph.
Matty James...
Had injury problems over the past couple of seasons, but would be a decent signing if he is over them.
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Wouldn't want Rhodes. There's a reason he's never had a chance in the premier league
Matty James would be a loan I think - would be happy w that
When's RHM gonna sign this effing contract so we can see him. At the moment looks like gabby w McCormack behind him in Jan.
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McCormack has had half a season to justify his big price tag. He has failed to do so mostly through lack of fitness and lack of application. We keep losing sight of the importance, especially in the lower leagues, of not wasting time. The games come thick and fast in the Championship. You simply do not have the time to allow extended honeymoons in the team. Jedinak is a good example. He was unfit at the start of the season then jet lagged for weeks thereafter. Only now, with the season half over is he starting to be of value to the team.
We have got to scrape wins and points from wherever and however we can. Fortunately we are doing that of late. Rudy Gestede and Ross McCormack have been prolific goal scorers. The time to tinker with the team to try to recapture what they used to do is a luxury we can't afford. The time for tuning the team was under that scoundrel Eric Black who let us dangle in the wind and subsequently RDM who gave the opposition an eleven game start.
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I agree McCormack has been a let down. But he has four consecutive seasons of goal scoring in this league unlike Rudy; and has always been a slow starter. I've seen enough of his goals and assists not to give up yet
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McCormack's problem is that he is playing out of position, he is what you would call a goal sneak and needs to be where the action is, he certainly is not a wide player or someone that can play behind the forwards.
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Tom ince from Derby all day long
He's someone that breaks forward good on the ball just what is missing from the midfield
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McCormack's problem is that he is playing out of position, he is what you would call a goal sneak and needs to be where the action is, he certainly is not a wide player or someone that can play behind the forwards.
I don't disagree with this, but I think his main problem is that he's not fit enough.
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4231 would suit a lot of our players
But not the '2' and that's the problem
Completely agree with this.
If we can shed any of Gestede/McCormack/Ayew/Gabby and get in Rhodes and a competent, mobile centre-midfielder then we'll look a lot better, IMO.
Something like:
Jedinak - James
Adomah - Grealish - Kodjia
Rhodes
With Kodjia playing a free-role and then someone like Brady/Judge in there too to offer the contrast to Adomah then we'll be on to something.
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Shane Long might be available, having a stinker this season but burned up this level last time he played in it. Fast, direct not the most intelligent player but we need someone like him to cover Kodjia. Bruce signed him before too.
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Shane Long might be available, having a stinker this season but burned up this level last time he played in it. Fast, direct not the most intelligent player but we need someone like him to cover Kodjia. Bruce signed him before too.
A good shout
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Shane Long might be available, having a stinker this season but burned up this level last time he played in it. Fast, direct not the most intelligent player but we need someone like him to cover Kodjia. Bruce signed him before too.
A good shout
A very good shout, but I think there would be takers in the Premier League.
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I agree McCormack has been a let down. But he has four consecutive seasons of goal scoring in this league unlike Rudy; and has always been a slow starter. I've seen enough of his goals and assists not to give up yet
Neil Warnock's piece about him earlier in the season was spot on - he can only play in one role and that being a second striker in a front two.
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Tom ince from Derby all day long
He's someone that breaks forward good on the ball just what is missing from the midfield
Bombed badly at Hull under Bruce, no chance I'd say. Bit of a strange one Tom Ince, suspect off field issues have held his career back thus far. Has done well under McClaren and flying again now.
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I'd take Long as a short term upgrade on Gestede, much better option than Rhodes in my opinion.
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Bristol gambled on Kodjia, there must be a confident goal scorer abroad (who can do more than nut the ball) If we sort the midfield out, there should be plenty of chances to score.
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I'd take Long as a short term upgrade on Gestede, much better option than Rhodes in my opinion.
Agreed.
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Given where we are, I think Long would be a good signing for the medium-term (2-3 years), let alone short-term.
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McCormacks problem is he came to Villa. We ruin (almost) everyone.
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I'd take Long as a short term upgrade on Gestede, much better option than Rhodes in my opinion.
Agreed.
Totally!
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Given where we are, I think Long would be a good signing for the medium-term (2-3 years), let alone short-term.
Having considered this at great length, I concur: Long for the medium term, that is more or less the short and tall of it.
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McCormacks problem is he came to Villa. We ruin (almost) everyone.
I know you say that in jest but when it comes to recruitment of seasoned pro's like RM it's their responsibility to deliver.
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About time we put a bid in for Guppy
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Nice piece about Hourihane here:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11713/10668628/is-barnsleys-conor-hourihane-the-championships-star-player
That has him down as 3 goals and 4 assists by the end of Nov. I believe he is up to 4 goals and 11 assists now.
I don't watch Barnsley all that much, maybe he is playing closer to a number 10 there than a regular midfielder. But when you see some of the spare parts who get a game in our midfield, it's a no brainer.
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Nice piece about Hourihane here:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11713/10668628/is-barnsleys-conor-hourihane-the-championships-star-player
That has him down as 3 goals and 4 assists by the end of Nov. I believe he is up to 4 goals and 11 assists now.
I don't watch Barnsley all that much, maybe he is playing closer to a number 10 there than a regular midfielder. But when you see some of the spare parts who get a game in our midfield, it's a no brainer.
I wonder if he has a Hip Hip Hourihane chant
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Tom ince from Derby all day long
He's someone that breaks forward good on the ball just what is missing from the midfield
Bombed badly at Hull under Bruce, no chance I'd say. Bit of a strange one Tom Ince, suspect off field issues have held his career back thus far. Has done well under McClaren and flying again now.
Did he? Thought they just got a mad offfer off Southampton and took it, doubled their money in no time.
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Whatever we do in the January window I just hope we get a least two quality midfielders.
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Bruce confirming that RG is in talks with a prem club
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Three midfielders are required.
What's that Tom Huddlestone doing these days? He did alright for Hull last season didn't he?
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Three midfielders are required.
What's that Tom Huddlestone doing these days? He did alright for Hull last season didn't he?
Currently getting the Humber Pilot to help him turn.
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Bruce confirming that RG is in talks with a prem club
Rhodes for Rudy? Must be.
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Bruce confirming that RG is in talks with a prem club
Rhodes for Rudy? Must be.
Not sure. Sounds more like letting one of 6 strikers go to bring in a MF or DF
Would hope to God we can bring in an attacker this month also
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Tom ince from Derby all day long
He's someone that breaks forward good on the ball just what is missing from the midfield
Bombed badly at Hull under Bruce, no chance I'd say. Bit of a strange one Tom Ince, suspect off field issues have held his career back thus far. Has done well under McClaren and flying again now.
Did he? Thought they just got a mad offfer off Southampton and took it, doubled their money in no time.
Think you are mixing him up with Shane Long
Ince ended up at Derby from Hull
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Blimey, in that case, let Fatty Agbonlahor go, keep Rudy!
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Blimey, in that case, let Fatty Agbonlahor go, keep Rudy!
That would involve someone who wants him....
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Not going to be a queue around the block for Gabby is there? Presume Kozak will be given a free too.
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Not going to be a queue around the block for Gabby is there? Presume Kozak will be given a free too.
In all likelihood, the relevant question about Gabby is what proportion of his wages we will be effectively paying once he has "gone".
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If we're after Rhodes then I suspect we'd be after Brady, or a player like that, to give balance.
We desperately need legs. Everybody knows and can see this. Hourihane (sp) from Barnsley would be ideal, Matty James has been linked; somebody who can drive the game on over thirty yards going back to front and stretch the opposition. Jedinak can't do it and neither can the others.
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It's all being well signing a goal poacher like Rhodes, as that's all he is, he doesn't really contribute much to the all round team play, which is fine by me - however, we need to get more service, we can't just rely on Adomah...
I think we still need a good centre midfielder, a bit of a box-to-box type, a create player also. Right back and GK also needed.
It seems madness after the summer turnover of players that we still need quite a lot.
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Not going to be a queue around the block for Gabby is there? Presume Kozak will be given a free too.
We will struggle to give Gabby and/or Kozak away. They're shot.
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Rhodes 'story' today from Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/29/aston-villa-keen-sign-jordan-rhodes-middlesbrough-not-11-million/
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We don't need a Rhodes, do we? RHM should step up.
We need a couple of driving midfielders, a CB and a RB.
Andre Green can provide us with width.
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It's all being well signing a goal poacher like Rhodes, as that's all he is, he doesn't really contribute much to the all round team play, which is fine by me - however, we need to get more service, we can't just rely on Adomah...
I think we still need a good centre midfielder, a bit of a box-to-box type, a create player also. Right back and GK also needed.
It seems madness after the summer turnover of players that we still need quite a lot.
Agreed don't see Rhodes working at all for us, especially for the money being quoted. We have spent enough on proven championship performers already with mixed results.
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We don't need a Rhodes, do we?
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For the love of God buy some central midfielders that can win the ball and pass to a team mate and another who can play passes through the opposition. That's all we need surely. Bonus would be a CB. Leave the attack alone
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If we're after Rhodes then I suspect we'd be after Brady, or a player like that, to give balance.
We desperately need legs. Everybody knows and can see this. Hourihane (sp) from Barnsley would be ideal, Matty James has been linked; somebody who can drive the game on over thirty yards going back to front and stretch the opposition. Jedinak can't do it and neither can the others.
I think Jedinak is better when sitting in front of the defence in a midfield three. I agree that if we are going to persist with a midfield two then we might need two new signings in there.
I also agree that we need a natural wide player on the left.
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If you look at the goal difference ours is 3 wheres the top two have 24 and 27 we need more goals, which is incredible when you look at the fire power we have.
The midfield needs more energy oh and goalscoring midfielders. We need a centre half to compete with Baker for his shirt Elphick hasn't worked out. Also an experienced keeper.
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We've only scored 42 goals in 2016.
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If you look at the goal difference ours is 3 wheres the top two have 24 and 27 we need more goals, which is incredible when you look at the fire power we have.
The midfield needs more energy oh and goalscoring midfielders. We need a centre half to compete with Baker for his shirt Elphick hasn't worked out. Also an experienced keeper.
This. Our midfield recruitment this month is key to our play off chances.
I'm hoping that Hourihane is high up on our list
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Rhodes 'story' today from Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/29/aston-villa-keen-sign-jordan-rhodes-middlesbrough-not-11-million/
If it's true we want Rhodes, and it's true Boro want Gestede, a straight swap should be a realistic aim for both clubs.
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Pat Murphy recent tweets :-
Understand @AVFCOfficial Not in for Jordan Rhodes. And not just @Boro interested in Gestede. Villa not yet rushing into a deal due to @ACON
Any money @AVFCOfficial get in player sales will b reinvested in new signings & Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants.
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Two midfielders. With pace/prescence and some attacking threat
One right back
One centre back, left footed to cover for Baker
If we have a few quid leftover a striker
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Two midfielders. With pace/prescence and some attacking threat
One right back
One centre back, left footed to cover for Baker
If we have a few quid leftover a striker
Add a good goalie and I concur.
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I think we'll see a left footed centre midfielder come in
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I think we'll see a left footed centre midfielder come in
Hourihane and Daniel Johnson
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Mourinho confirmed in his PC today that Sam Johnstone will definitely go out on loan next month.
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Pat Murphy recent tweets :-
Understand @AVFCOfficial Not in for Jordan Rhodes. And not just @Boro interested in Gestede. Villa not yet rushing into a deal due to @ACON
Any money @AVFCOfficial get in player sales will b reinvested in new signings & Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants.
Excellent.
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Mourinho confirmed in his PC today that Sam Johnstone will definitely go out on loan next month.
Done deal according to the Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2503800/aston-villa-target-sam-johnstone-manchester-united-goalkeeper-set-to-be-steve-bruces-first-january-signing-after-agreeing-a-loan-move/) (yeah, I know...)
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Cute football story of the week, Ross McCormack's son asks if Daddy can play for Leeds United.
Sorry junior he's not fit enough.
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We should be in for Snodgrass if he wants to leave.
Excellent player.
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B'ham Mail confirming Sam Johnstone on loan until the end of the season.
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We should be in for Snodgrass if he wants to leave.
Excellent player.
This. He'd be a superb addition...if he'd come of course.
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B'ham Mail confirming Sam Johnstone on loan until the end of the season.
Solves the problem of relying on a young and inexperienced keeper.
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We should be in for Snodgrass if he wants to leave.
Excellent player.
If he were to be available I can imagine there would be a long list of clubs in a better position than us enlisting his services.
This. He'd be a superb addition...if he'd come of course.
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B'ham Mail confirming Sam Johnstone on loan until the end of the season.
Solves the problem of relying on a young and inexperienced keeper.
Isn't he young and inexperienced too?
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B'ham Mail confirming Sam Johnstone on loan until the end of the season.
Solves the problem of relying on a young and inexperienced keeper.
Isn't he young and inexperienced too?
I think that's what PWS was getting at.
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B'ham Mail confirming Sam Johnstone on loan until the end of the season.
Solves the problem of relying on a young and inexperienced keeper.
Isn't he young and inexperienced too?
I'm pretty sure that's PWS's point.
Looks like rather than playing our own highly rated, inexperienced young goalkeeper we'll instead be giving experience to somebody else's.
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It isn't a bit of an odd one
But if he's better then so be it
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Presume Bruce with Round & Walsh will have identified which keeper they wanted (age irrelevant I guess?) and will know if Johnstone is an improvement on Gollini / Bunn - I think I'll go with their judgement.
In the summer would have gone for Marshall myself, watching him flapping that ball in last night shows what I know :-)
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Presume Bruce with Round & Walsh will have identified which keeper they wanted (age irrelevant I guess?) and will know if Johnstone is an improvement on Gollini / Bunn - I think I'll go with their judgement.
In the summer would have gone for Marshall myself, watching him flapping that ball in last night shows what I know :-)
Strange move this. As others have mentioned, he's hardly any older than PG and his relative experience comparable.
He is though very highly rated. Maybe his style is more in line with a keeper than Bruce and co like more?
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B'ham Mail confirming Sam Johnstone on loan until the end of the season.
Solves the problem of relying on a young and inexperienced keeper.
Isn't he young and inexperienced too?
I'm pretty sure that's PWS's point.
Looks like rather than playing our own highly rated, inexperienced young goalkeeper we'll instead be giving experience to somebody else's.
From what I gather he is highly rated and an extremely confident, vocal keeper and that is what Bruce and Round are looking for.
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He's already impressed in this division, got years ahead of him, can shout at the defence in an accent they understand, and is probably lined up for a permanent move if he impresses with us. Makes good sense.
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He's already impressed in this division, got years ahead of him, can shout at the defence in an accent they understand, and is probably lined up for a permanent move if he impresses with us. Makes good sense.
Hope so, but extremely unlikely as Man up really rate him apparently. We will be fluffing him for Man U.
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B'ham Mail confirming Sam Johnstone on loan until the end of the season.
Solves the problem of relying on a young and inexperienced keeper.
Isn't he young and inexperienced too?
I'm pretty sure that's PWS's point.
Looks like rather than playing our own highly rated, inexperienced young goalkeeper we'll instead be giving experience to somebody else's.
Not quite true. He has already had several loan periods at lower league sides and a successful stint at Preston last year.
An improvement experience wise on Gollini, not by a great amount but an improvement all the same. Bruce will know a lot about Johnstone from last season so I trust his judgement. Keepers generally improve with age but again, we have to consider what our genuine targets are. No PL keeper will join, no PL club will let their number 2 go unless they have a replacement lined up. We all know and accept that January is a hard window at the best of times-For a keeper, it is probably even harder. Bunn gave us a little reminder on Thursday night that he always has a mistake in him. If I remember, he played a few last season very well and then deteriorated drastically thereafter. I'm happy with Johnstone and think he's an improvement.
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Pat Murphy recent tweets :-
Understand @AVFCOfficial Not in for Jordan Rhodes. And not just @Boro interested in Gestede. Villa not yet rushing into a deal due to @ACON
Any money @AVFCOfficial get in player sales will b reinvested in new signings & Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants.
I've seen a quote saying the days of Aston Villa paying over the odds for players has gone (also various Rhodes not rated £11m by Villa comments in the articles) and now Pat Murphy saying "Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants"? For a "team" so disjointed and so obviously missing key components this isn't exactly filling me with confidence. Have I missed something relating to the club's finances? Something that crossed my mind is I wonder if we're still on track for Bruce's promotion target? I know he said we were 2 points behind before the win against QPR (I think) and if not if this will change our transfer policy?
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Bruce's rates Sam Johnstone so that's good enough for me.
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And me. We have to give Bruce a couple of transfer windows to sort it out surely?
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he's coming from Man Utd so he must be good, that's always been the case in the past
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Pat Murphy recent tweets :-
Understand @AVFCOfficial Not in for Jordan Rhodes. And not just @Boro interested in Gestede. Villa not yet rushing into a deal due to @ACON
Any money @AVFCOfficial get in player sales will b reinvested in new signings & Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants.
I've seen a quote saying the days of Aston Villa paying over the odds for players has gone (also various Rhodes not rated £11m by Villa comments in the articles) and now Pat Murphy saying "Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants"? For a "team" so disjointed and so obviously missing key components this isn't exactly filling me with confidence. Have I missed something relating to the club's finances? Something that crossed my mind is I wonder if we're still on track for Bruce's promotion target? I know he said we were 2 points behind before the win against QPR (I think) and if not if this will change our transfer policy?
After the way we threw around money in the summer it doesn't do any harm to tell the world we have a tight budget to try and get value for money. I'm assuming Xia will back Bruce and we'll see 3 new players this window.
if we can get rid of Richards for this window for a couple of million it will be an added bonus.
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Pat Murphy recent tweets :-
Understand @AVFCOfficial Not in for Jordan Rhodes. And not just @Boro interested in Gestede. Villa not yet rushing into a deal due to @ACON
Any money @AVFCOfficial get in player sales will b reinvested in new signings & Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants.
I've seen a quote saying the days of Aston Villa paying over the odds for players has gone (also various Rhodes not rated £11m by Villa comments in the articles) and now Pat Murphy saying "Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants"? For a "team" so disjointed and so obviously missing key components this isn't exactly filling me with confidence. Have I missed something relating to the club's finances? Something that crossed my mind is I wonder if we're still on track for Bruce's promotion target? I know he said we were 2 points behind before the win against QPR (I think) and if not if this will change our transfer policy?
After the way we threw around money in the summer it doesn't do any harm to tell the world we have a tight budget to try and get value for money. I'm assuming Xia will back Bruce and we'll see 3 new players this window.
if we can get rid of Richards for this window for a couple of million it will be an added bonus.
Yeah, I was actually thinking about Bruce's comments earlier. I would much rather the club take a sustainable approach to transfers than spend obscene amounts to secure players.
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Hopefully with Sam Johnstone we have an option to buy otherwise I think it is rather pointless.
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Disagree. Both of our current keepers cost us games on a semi regular basis. If he doesn't do that for the rest of the season then he buggers off again it will have been worth it.
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Wednesday, Huddersfield, Leeds x2 etc etc both Gollini and Bunn have cost us points, with the help of Elphick.
No problem with him strengthening.
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Wednesday, Huddersfield, Leeds x2 etc etc both Gollini and Bunn have cost us points, with the help of Elphick.
No problem with him strengthening.
Mark Bunn cost us points in one game against Leeds, he has also made some very good saves during this short spell.
I agree he is not the long term answer but I think he has played well, he is positive and actually catches crosses.
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Hopefully with Sam Johnstone we have an option to buy otherwise I think it is rather pointless.
Agreed. We should never just do loans that help other clubs to develop their players.
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Hopefully with Sam Johnstone we have an option to buy otherwise I think it is rather pointless.
Agreed. We should never just do loans that help other clubs to develop their players.
If he improves us, I couldn't give a toss about developing players on behalf of others. It is not as if we are at the same level as them. First and foremost is Aston Villa.
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Pat Murphy recent tweets :-
Understand @AVFCOfficial Not in for Jordan Rhodes. And not just @Boro interested in Gestede. Villa not yet rushing into a deal due to @ACON
Any money @AVFCOfficial get in player sales will b reinvested in new signings & Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants.
I've seen a quote saying the days of Aston Villa paying over the odds for players has gone (also various Rhodes not rated £11m by Villa comments in the articles) and now Pat Murphy saying "Bruce will also be backed if there are some he really wants"? For a "team" so disjointed and so obviously missing key components this isn't exactly filling me with confidence. Have I missed something relating to the club's finances? Something that crossed my mind is I wonder if we're still on track for Bruce's promotion target? I know he said we were 2 points behind before the win against QPR (I think) and if not if this will change our transfer policy?
After the way we threw around money in the summer it doesn't do any harm to tell the world we have a tight budget to try and get value for money. I'm assuming Xia will back Bruce and we'll see 3 new players this window.
if we can get rid of Richards for this window for a couple of million it will be an added bonus.
If we get a couple of million for Richards we'll be up in front of the beak for fraud.
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It is not as if we are at the same level as them.
That is the reality BUT I refuse to accept it.
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I had forgotten all about Richards.
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Is he still injured? I presume he's going to magically rediscover full fitness once the transfer window opens.
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he's coming from Man Utd so he must be good, that's always been the case in the past
Eric Djemba-Djemba?
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Is he still injured? I presume he's going to magically rediscover full fitness once the transfer window opens.
Hopefully we can get him just about fit enough to play marbles on the M6.
Not sure we'd get an insurance pay-out for gross stupidity, but worth testing the theory.
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I had forgotten all about Richards.
We need an insurance job here. Maybe cheltenhamlion can advise how to arrange that?
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I had forgotten all about Richards.
We need an insurance job here. Maybe cheltenhamlion can advise how to arrange that?
I thought long and hard about ways to "disappear" him last year.
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I had forgotten all about Richards.
We need an insurance job here. Maybe cheltenhamlion can advise how to arrange that?
I thought long and hard about ways to "disappear" him last year.
The easiest way is to pick him in the first team & ask him to mark someone
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Hopefully with Sam Johnstone we have an option to buy otherwise I think it is rather pointless.
Agreed. We should never just do loans that help other clubs to develop their players.
If he improves us, I couldn't give a toss about developing players on behalf of others. It is not as if we are at the same level as them. First and foremost is Aston Villa.
And if him playing deprives Gollini of the necessary experience that means he would continue to develop and be our keeper for the next decade, does that benefit us?
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Hopefully with Sam Johnstone we have an option to buy otherwise I think it is rather pointless.
Agreed. We should never just do loans that help other clubs to develop their players.
If he improves us, I couldn't give a toss about developing players on behalf of others. It is not as if we are at the same level as them. First and foremost is Aston Villa.
And if him playing deprives Gollini of the necessary experience that means he would continue to develop and be our keeper for the next decade, does that benefit us?
That is a different question but the answer is the same. First and foremost, what is best for Aston Villa.
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Hopefully with Sam Johnstone we have an option to buy otherwise I think it is rather pointless.
Agreed. We should never just do loans that help other clubs to develop their players.
If he improves us, I couldn't give a toss about developing players on behalf of others. It is not as if we are at the same level as them. First and foremost is Aston Villa.
And if him playing deprives Gollini of the necessary experience that means he would continue to develop and be our keeper for the next decade, does that benefit us?
I think Goldini is an excellent prospect.
Maybe Bruce thinks he needs to adjust to the English game a bit longer before he's ready. He has first team experience in italy so I don't think that's an issue.
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Hopefully with Sam Johnstone we have an option to buy otherwise I think it is rather pointless.
Agreed. We should never just do loans that help other clubs to develop their players.
If he improves us, I couldn't give a toss about developing players on behalf of others. It is not as if we are at the same level as them. First and foremost is Aston Villa.
And if him playing deprives Gollini of the necessary experience that means he would continue to develop and be our keeper for the next decade, does that benefit us?
I think Goldini is an excellent prospect.
Maybe Bruce thinks he needs to adjust to the English game a bit longer before he's ready. He has first team experience in italy so I don't think that's an issue.
The Great Goldini! Marvellous.
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I saw Sam Johnstone play for Walsall a few seasons back. He was seen as a good prospect then.
He's had 6 months at PNE at this level....I think that's what SB is on about having experience of the championship as I think the error Gollini made at Leeds with the cross was when talk of him being replaced started.
I do think if he does well Man. United will let him go permanently. There was a chance when DDG was about to leave for Madrid that he might've got a chance there but LVG signed Valdes and Romero and he's not had a sniff since.
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I think there's inherent tension between the two approaches. Getting back up the quick way probably requires us to look just one season ahead and get the best 11 players together we can. We can't be sniffy about mercenaries with no sell on value or loanees that benefit other teams more than us in the long term. It's equally valid to say we should plan for the long term, but that might mean we don't get back up as quickly.
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Have we signed anybody yet, Its 2017 here in Thailand so come on Villa pull your finger out
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I think there's inherent tension between the two approaches. Getting back up the quick way probably requires us to look just one season ahead and get the best 11 players together we can. We can't be sniffy about mercenaries with no sell on value or loanees that benefit other teams more than us in the long term. It's equally valid to say we should plan for the long term, but that might mean we don't get back up as quickly.
I agree totally, I just think we'v been stuck in a 10 year cycle of looking 1 season ahead and it's led us here and we need a bit of rebalancing. I don't mind Johnstone if he thinks it's a good move but when you combine it with Tish and RHM not getting a look in it's starting to look like he's willing to dump the promising youngsters we have in the hopes of a quick return the concern is that if he doesn't think they're worth a place on the bench in the championship it's not going to change in the premier league.
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I think there's inherent tension between the two approaches. Getting back up the quick way probably requires us to look just one season ahead and get the best 11 players together we can. We can't be sniffy about mercenaries with no sell on value or loanees that benefit other teams more than us in the long term. It's equally valid to say we should plan for the long term, but that might mean we don't get back up as quickly.
I agree totally, I just think we'v been stuck in a 10 year cycle of looking 1 season ahead and it's led us here and we need a bit of rebalancing. I don't mind Johnstone if he thinks it's a good move but when you combine it with Tish and RHM not getting a look in it's starting to look like he's willing to dump the promising youngsters we have in the hopes of a quick return the concern is that if he doesn't think they're worth a place on the bench in the championship it's not going to change in the premier league.
Bruce has plenty of plus points, but a willingness to give young players a chance I don't think has really been on his list at any of his clubs.
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Talk of Watford, Swansea and the Olbiyun being in for Ashley Young on loan.
Could understand the appeal of Watford as he is a local lad, but if that is the calibre of club in for him, might be worth a bid.
We've barely turned up this season and we're still not a million miles off the play-offs. Get it right with us, be part of the journey back to the top flight and we dwarf those two bob outfits.
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Strike early Villa.
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No way will ashley young come back
or barry, or milner or benteke or delph
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Talk of Watford, Swansea and the Olbiyun being in for Ashley Young on loan.
Could understand the appeal of Watford as he is a local lad, but if that is the calibre of club in for him, might be worth a bid.
We've barely turned up this season and we're still not a million miles off the play-offs. Get it right with us, be part of the journey back to the top flight and we dwarf those two bob outfits.
Young has had a lot on injury problems, stay fit and would definitely be a good signing. Can't imagine he would want to drop a division unless we were paying serious wages.
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No way will ashley young come back
or barry, or milner or benteke or delph
Watching MOTD made me really miss Jimmy Milner. Exactly the sort of player we need. Someone with that attitude and kind of consistency. Someone who could run all day long. We're obviously not going to get Milner himself, but someone of that ilk is definitely required.
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No way will ashley young come back
or barry, or milner or benteke or delph
Watching MOTD made me really miss Jimmy Milner. Exactly the sort of player we need. Someone with that attitude and kind of consistency. Someone who could run all day long. We're obviously not going to get Milner himself, but someone of that ilk is definitely required.
Someone like the job Aaron Mooy at Huddersfield (Man City) and Ryan Woods at Brentford do. Let's hope Steve has got the wheels in motion already. I think he must realise our midfield shortcomings.
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I'm not someone who pines for the lost. Cahill, Milner, Benteke -whoever. Once they leave B6, they are dead to me usually.
Where this situation is a bit different is that -Everton apart- it doesn't look like many of the the top 6/8 clubs are interested in Young, so this might be one of the rare occurrences where previous good times actually count for summat.
Given the (admittedly pretty grim choice) of Watford, Swansea, Olbiyun or ourselves, we might have the edge, in so far as he was still a regular visitor to Bodymoor Heath after he left, and has been seen in the crowd at various games since then. He was settled in the area when he played for us too, IIRC. He wasn't one of those numpties in a permanent state of flux because they lived a few hours away from London.
A loan deal, at a level he should piss for a few months might appeal. If nothing else, it might be a tune up for a better permanent move in the summer if we don't make it back.
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Where this situation is a bit different is that -Everton apart- it doesn't look like many of the the top 6/8 clubs are interested in Young, so this might be one of the rare occurrences where previous good times actually count for summat.
Given the (admittedly pretty grim choice) of Watford, Swansea, Olbiyun or ourselves, we might have the edge, in so far as he was still a regular visitor to Bodymoor Heath after he left, and has been seen in the crowd at various games since then. He was settled in the area when he played for us too, IIRC. He wasn't one of those numpties in a permanent state of flux because they lived a few hours away from London.
I'd have thought that if Watford were interested then that's where he would end up.
His emotional ties to them would probably be just as strong as any emotional ties he has to us.
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Where this situation is a bit different is that -Everton apart- it doesn't look like many of the the top 6/8 clubs are interested in Young, so this might be one of the rare occurrences where previous good times actually count for summat.
Given the (admittedly pretty grim choice) of Watford, Swansea, Olbiyun or ourselves, we might have the edge, in so far as he was still a regular visitor to Bodymoor Heath after he left, and has been seen in the crowd at various games since then. He was settled in the area when he played for us too, IIRC. He wasn't one of those numpties in a permanent state of flux because they lived a few hours away from London.
I'd have thought that if Watford were interested then that's where he would end up.
His emotional ties to them would probably be just as strong as any emotional ties he has to us.
True, but Watford are absolutely poxy compared to us and are on borrowed time in that division.
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Talk of Watford, Swansea and the Olbiyun being in for Ashley Young on loan.
Could understand the appeal of Watford as he is a local lad, but if that is the calibre of club in for him, might be worth a bid.
We've barely turned up this season and we're still not a million miles off the play-offs. Get it right with us, be part of the journey back to the top flight and we dwarf those two bob outfits.
Is this April fools day?
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Aye. It didn't seem like much of a wrench to leave them for us back in 2007 (Christ, was it that long ago) either.
All that said, it's risk for a 31 year-old to drop down a division, whichever way the deal is sold. It could be seen as the slippery slope.
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Aye. It didn't seem like much of a wrench to leave them for us back in 2007 (Christ, was it that long ago) either.
It didn't seem like much of a wrench to then leave us four years later either then.
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I beleive his actual quote was "No disprespect, but when I got the call from ManU I was off like a shot."
Cheers Ashley.
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Aye. It didn't seem like much of a wrench to leave them for us back in 2007 (Christ, was it that long ago) either.
All that said, it's risk for a 31 year-old to drop down a division, whichever way the deal is sold. It could be seen as the slippery slope.
It didn't hurt his weasaly ex-teammate.
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There is a 0.01% chance of us signing Ashley Young
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New Year Eve Grandma's cough medicine equals Ashley Young coming to Villa.
i want some of this cough medicine,
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Don't know what it is about fans pining after previous stars from yesteryear. We should be looking for the next 'Ashley Young' not talking about signing him.
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I beleive his actual quote was "No disprespect, but when I got the call from ManU I was off like a shot."
Cheers Ashley.
Yes, leaving for a team that gave him the chance to win major honours. What an arsehole.
I despise Yanited and all they stand for, but I wouldn't blame any player doing what he did. We had three and a bit good seasons out of him, and had decided to pull up the drawbridge and not compete any more.
I have more issue with that fat div Faulkner taking to the club website to say that 'once a club like United come in, there is little we can do,' or words to that effect. When you hold the players registration, there is always something you can do. Hindsight being 20/20 vision, but another season of Young in 2011/12 and then losing him on a free, or £9 million + wages on N'Zog?
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There is a 0.01% chance of us signing Ashley Young
So you're saying there's a chance.....?
No way he'll drop down a division.
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I saw Sam Johnstone play for Walsall a few seasons back. He was seen as a good prospect then.
He's had 6 months at PNE at this level....I think that's what SB is on about having experience of the championship as I think the error Gollini made at Leeds with the cross was when talk of him being replaced started.
I do think if he does well Man. United will let him go permanently. There was a chance when DDG was about to leave for Madrid that he might've got a chance there but LVG signed Valdes and Romero and he's not had a sniff since.
The more it's said, the more it becomes the fact.
Leeds scored at Elland Road because a cracking cross came in and Roofe made a great run, dividing the CB.
Sometimes, we have to accept that the opposition do something good rather than seeking to blame our players.
Now, as for Bunn's attempted save against Leeds at VP ... ;)
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I saw Sam Johnstone play for Walsall a few seasons back. He was seen as a good prospect then.
He's had 6 months at PNE at this level....I think that's what SB is on about having experience of the championship as I think the error Gollini made at Leeds with the cross was when talk of him being replaced started.
I do think if he does well Man. United will let him go permanently. There was a chance when DDG was about to leave for Madrid that he might've got a chance there but LVG signed Valdes and Romero and he's not had a sniff since.
The more it's said, the more it becomes the fact.
Leeds scored at Elland Road because a cracking cross came in and Roofe made a great run, dividing the CB.
Sometimes, we have to accept that the opposition do something good rather than seeking to blame our players.
Now, as for Bunn's attempted save against Leeds at VP ... ;)
It was a great cross, but there was a clear hesitation on the part of Gollini, and the indecision cost us.
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We already got the next Ashley Young
But people call him Andre green or rhm
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I think people are writing off Gollini far too fast. He's young and in a tough league, but he has lots of qualities that mean I think he can develop into a quality keeper. I hope it's with us, but I fear he might be shipped out before he's been given enough of a chance.
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Quite. How many goalies get the No.1 jersey at such a young age? Still developing, still learning and still 7/8 years away from his peak as a professional.
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Joe Hart? Peter Shilton? Ray Clemence? Pat Jennings? Scott Carson...
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Nigel Spink?
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Jordan Pickford? Jack Butland?
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Also, Gollini has played nearly as many games as Johnstone has (even though he's two years younger), I'm not sure we're getting much more in the way of experience from Johnstone either.
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We are on a journey, no passengers though. Bruce needs to be ruthless and play whoever he sees as the better keeper. I know nothing of Johnstone but if Bruce thinks he's better, that's good enough for me, even if we are 'preparing' United's keeper for better things.
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Also, Gollini has played nearly as many games as Johnstone has (even though he's two years younger), I'm not sure we're getting much more in the way of experience from Johnstone either.
I think SB dosen't rate Gollini with crosses. Even aside from the Leeds goal, he's flapped at a few others in games so it's certainly a weakness of his game and clearly SB wants to get in a British keeper who short term will be a bit more commanding in that department.
Whether Johnstone is that keeper I couldn't say. He did alright at PNE but looking at their forum they all thought Pickford was superior.
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I saw Sam Johnstone play for Walsall a few seasons back. He was seen as a good prospect then.
He's had 6 months at PNE at this level....I think that's what SB is on about having experience of the championship as I think the error Gollini made at Leeds with the cross was when talk of him being replaced started.
I do think if he does well Man. United will let him go permanently. There was a chance when DDG was about to leave for Madrid that he might've got a chance there but LVG signed Valdes and Romero and he's not had a sniff since.
The more it's said, the more it becomes the fact.
Leeds scored at Elland Road because a cracking cross came in and Roofe made a great run, dividing the CB.
Sometimes, we have to accept that the opposition do something good rather than seeking to blame our players.
Now, as for Bunn's attempted save against Leeds at VP ... ;)
It was a great cross, but there was a clear hesitation on the part of Gollini, and the indecision cost us.
There is a camera shot from the left facing the Holte where you see he had little chance. It really was a wonderful ball into the box, as was the whole move.
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This. Some goals are perfect, as was that goal. Great cross, great movement, great header. Absolutely nothing Gollini could've done about it
It reminded me of Gabby's winner at Old Trafford many moons ago
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If we're still talking about the Roofe goal i think the guy who put the cross in had far too much time to bring it down, shift itt to his right foot and get the cross in, we had Hutton and, I think, Adomah both leave him for the other to pick up from the long ball up to him. Hutton in particular just sort of strolled to block off the option of going down the line and made his mind up for him.
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If we're still talking about the Roofe goal i think the guy who put the cross in had far too much time to bring it down, shift itt to his right foot and get the cross in, we had Hutton and, I think, Adomah both leave him for the other to pick up from the long ball up to him. Hutton in particular just sort of strolled to block off the option of going down the line and made his mind up for him.
Same situation as the Burton goal. Lovely execution but shit closing down by Bacuna and terrible marking by Hutton. That said, Gollini might have been quicker off his line for the Leeds goal.
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Gestede to Boro a done deal according to the Daily Heil.
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Gestede to Boro a done deal according to the Daily Heil.
Blimey, no idea what he's done to get that 'promotion'. With the wages gone, hopefully we can get a proper midfielder.
Personally I think one less attacker might help us this season as I think we've struggled to keep them all engaged and consequently not got the best out of any of them.
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Gestede to Boro a done deal according to the Daily Heil.
Blimey, no idea what he's done to get that 'promotion'. With the wages gone, hopefully we can get a proper midfielder.
Personally I think one less attacker might help us this season as I think we've struggled to keep them all engaged and consequently not got the best out of any of them.
Bruce must have someone lined up because what with the African Cup going on we're going to be a few strikers short. Perhaps Rhodes is on his way here?
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I've no problems with Gestede either way. He was never going to start for us but proved the other night what a great asset he is to come off the bench.
My big worry (and Thursday night showed, as will tomorrow) is that we have no physical presence up top. Rudy was ideal for tomorrow, to play against that big lump of theirs who got sent off at Ipswich.
Good luck to him, he never gave anything but his best for us and there's a few others I'd have liked to have seen leave before him.
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The thing is, it's our strength in depth that has got us out of plenty of holes this season (late impact subs and that). I hope we don't lose that asset by the end of January. Can't see it though, Bruce must have a few signings lined up...
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The thing is, it's our strength in depth that has got us out of plenty of holes this season (late impact subs and that). I hope we don't lose that asset by the end of January. Can't see it though, Bruce must have a few signings lined up...
I know it is very much an intangible, unprovable theory, but I also think our depth has also worked against us. Possibly too many content players in the squad on big salaries rather than scrapping for their careers.
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I've no problems with Gestede either way. He was never going to start for us but proved the other night what a great asset he is to come off the bench.
My big worry (and Thursday night showed, as will tomorrow) is that we have no physical presence up top. Rudy was ideal for tomorrow, to play against that big lump of theirs who got sent off at Ipswich.
Good luck to him, he never gave anything but his best for us and there's a few others I'd have liked to have seen leave before him.
I can't argue with that. Despite what many would consider his limited ability, I just wonder how many goals he would have scored if he had started every game he was available for. A great attitude.
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I've no problems with Gestede either way. He was never going to start for us but proved the other night what a great asset he is to come off the bench.
My big worry (and Thursday night showed, as will tomorrow) is that we have no physical presence up top. Rudy was ideal for tomorrow, to play against that big lump of theirs who got sent off at Ipswich.
Good luck to him, he never gave anything but his best for us and there's a few others I'd have liked to have seen leave before him.
I can't argue with that. Despite what many would consider his limited ability, I just wonder how many goals he would have scored if he had started every game he was available for. A great attitude.
As nice a bloke as he was, he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. We (almost) got our money back for him somehow. Good business.
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Gestede seems to manage to combine being seen as "really good in the air" with almost never actually winning any aerial duels.
Nice bloke, but really not very good.
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Gestede seems to manage to combine being seen as "really good in the air" with almost never actually winning any aerial duels.
Nice bloke, but really not very good.
agreed and if it stops us whacking long balls into front men as an approach to attacking then I'm all for it. I'd like to thank him for some thumping headers most notably vs Blues and Liverpool, and contributing to winning us a point the other night. But I'd much rather we went with skill and speed up front and not players like Gestede. Nice bloke and all, and good luck to him at Boro. But in all likelihood he will go and sit on the bench with Adama and wax lyrical about how much fun it was last time both of them played together in the same side in the PL.
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Good luck to him. He seems like a genuinely nice bloke and I'd have loved for it to have worked out for him here, but he's just too one dimensional, and we don't have the players to get the best out of his aerial ability. Like TV, I'd like to see another Kodjia type of player coming in, who is quick, skilful and knows where the back of the net is.
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Gestede seems to manage to combine being seen as "really good in the air" with almost never actually winning any aerial duels.
Nice bloke, but really not very good.
Great off a running start, shit with a standing one. Plus, it seemed like he was never really interested in any aerial contests outside of crosses into the box.
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I've no problems with Gestede either way. He was never going to start for us but proved the other night what a great asset he is to come off the bench.
My big worry (and Thursday night showed, as will tomorrow) is that we have no physical presence up top. Rudy was ideal for tomorrow, to play against that big lump of theirs who got sent off at Ipswich.
Good luck to him, he never gave anything but his best for us and there's a few others I'd have liked to have seen leave before him.
I can't argue with that. Despite what many would consider his limited ability, I just wonder how many goals he would have scored if he had started every game he was available for. A great attitude.
I would like to argue with that but not just now as I need to sleep.
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I wouldn't be gutted if we got a proper offer in for Ayew either. I don't know what he really offers or is best at. I'm not sure he knows either. If desperate Swansea offered us 15m for example I'd snap their hands off.
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From the office of the Doc via his Twitter account
Just updated: 1loan done&1loan and 2-3 buys undergoing.
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He could have put the name of the one done. C'mon Doc spill the beans
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With a combination of Rudy and Adama Boro would have the biggest speed differential across the front ever seen in any team ever. Unless of course Usain Bolt joins Man Ure.
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With a combination of Rudy and Adama Boro would have the biggest speed differential across the front ever seen in any team ever. Unless of course Usain Bolt joins Man Ure.
Daley / Cascarino would run it close.
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Gestede seems to manage to combine being seen as "really good in the air" with almost never actually winning any aerial duels.
Nice bloke, but really not very good.
Totally
for such a big bloke the majority of the time he had the physical presence of an 8 year old girl
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I am tempted to do the older-fan-than-yow thing and say McParland-Dixon combo was pretty extreme but Johnny Dixon scored 29 goals in one season so he is honourably excused. Can you imagine a Villa striker getting 29 goals in a season. On £20 a week.
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Sutton and Young,Grant Holt and anyone else.
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Remember this being reported in early December? See the link below and it was not just the Express carrying the story. "One in the bag (verbally) and another hoped to be agreed" that afternoon. Wonder what has happened since - hope we are not being mislead, deliberately or otherwise.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/741749/Steve-Bruce-January-Window-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News
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Remember this being reported in early December? See the link below and it was not just the Express carrying the story. "One in the bag (verbally) and another hoped to be agreed" that afternoon. Wonder what has happened since - hope we are not being mislead, deliberately or otherwise.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/741749/Steve-Bruce-January-Window-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News
The owner has just said one is done and numerous others ongoing. I think it's a bit premature to doubt the owner.
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Remember this being reported in early December? See the link below and it was not just the Express carrying the story. "One in the bag (verbally) and another hoped to be agreed" that afternoon. Wonder what has happened since - hope we are not being mislead, deliberately or otherwise.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/741749/Steve-Bruce-January-Window-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News
The owner has just said one is done and numerous others ongoing. I think it's a bit premature to doubt the owner.
My cynicism could be due to my previous life in Credit & Risk. Everyone is a potential bad debt until proven otherwise !! 🙂
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Remember this being reported in early December? See the link below and it was not just the Express carrying the story. "One in the bag (verbally) and another hoped to be agreed" that afternoon. Wonder what has happened since - hope we are not being mislead, deliberately or otherwise.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/741749/Steve-Bruce-January-Window-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News
The owner has just said one is done and numerous others ongoing. I think it's a bit premature to doubt the owner.
My cynicism could be due to my previous life in Credit & Risk. Everyone is a potential bad debt until proven otherwise !! 🙂
Or alternatively, it could be due to 3 or 4 years of Lerner.
With it being bank holiday and the team away at Cardiff, it was never going to be the case that these signings were going to be announced this side of todays game.
I fully expect that by next weekend, the loan signing will have been announced, if not two. The permanent signings are going to take longer if other teams are involved, which will almost certainly be the case with any decent player who is available. Robbie Brady appears available for example. I would hope that we are in for him but with Crystal Palace heavily linked, the chances are that he won't be signing for us on Tuesday, much as we'd like him to be. If Palace are able to land someone else who they consider to be a better option, later on in the window, we would then have a realistic chance of signing him (although even then, there would be other sides interested).
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Don't want to name any names but we will be signing someone from a top 4 club.. is a defensive midfielder who has struggled for game time over the past couple of seasons but will be a real coup. He will sign on loan to the end of the season with a view to a permanent if we go up. And no it isn't Delph.
Henri Lansbury has turned us down in favour of Derby, we had tabled a bid of 2.5m.
I think we will all be pleasantly suprised when this signing happens. Only expect 2-3 transfers this month, x2 midfielders and depending on who leaves expect a replacement.
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Don't want to name any names but we will be signing someone from a top 4 club.. is a defensive midfielder who has struggled for game time over the past couple of seasons but will be a real coup. He will sign on loan to the end of the season with a view to a permanent if we go up. And no it isn't Delph.
Henri Lansbury has turned us down in favour of Derby, we had tabled a bid of 2.5m.
I think we will all be pleasantly suprised when this signing happens. Only expect 2-3 transfers this month, x2 midfielders and depending on who leaves expect a replacement.
Is that you Danlanza?
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Remember this being reported in early December? See the link below and it was not just the Express carrying the story. "One in the bag (verbally) and another hoped to be agreed" that afternoon. Wonder what has happened since - hope we are not being mislead, deliberately or otherwise.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/741749/Steve-Bruce-January-Window-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News
Does anything need to have happened since?
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Who??
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Who??
Sorry, just a in-joke.
Hope you're right about the incoming's, should be an interesting month.
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Who??
He's a pool cleaner who lives/lived in Lanzarote and used to post bollocks on here.
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Nope sorry I'm new here!
Just thought I'd share my thought's and also relay what I've been told about January.. oh and also its not yaya toure as has been suggested at the top of this thread. Think we all need to be realistic but even still we will be more than happy!
Also on a side note one name I keep hearing is Sebastian Larsson.. has played for Bruce at 2 different teams before and can play a holding role but is more effective at getting up the pitch? Is one of Bruces trusted ones so I hear
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Matic got dropped the other day. He'd do a job in the championship.
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Lucas?
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Isn't Larsson crocked with a knee injury?
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It all depends on whether another signing happens for a spanish club, if it does not happen then our man will go there. The club in question can only sign 1 out of the 2 targets it wants this January due to financial fair play sanctions. If they decide against our target then expect him to sign on loan in the next 10 days or so for us.
I'm not naming names on purpose so I don't end up with egg on my face... however those with a knowledge of la liga will be able to work out who it is
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He is on course to make a return towards the end of this month (from a quick Google search)
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Spit it out. This isn't Guess Who?.
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Ander Herrera!
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Has he got a hat?
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I think I've given sufficient clues to that one now.
One I can confirm is that we were looking at loftus cheek and bamford on loan until the end of the season. Bamford will be recalled by Chelsea as he just cannot cut it in the premier and was seen as cover for the AFCON. They will both sign on loan for small heath this window now. Which I hate to say but is 2 very good signings for them
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Can he pass the ball to members of his own team?
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It all depends on whether another signing happens for a spanish club, if it does not happen then our man will go there. The club in question can only sign 1 out of the 2 targets it wants this January due to financial fair play sanctions. If they decide against our target then expect him to sign on loan in the next 10 days or so for us.
I'm not naming names on purpose so I don't end up with egg on my face... however those with a knowledge of la liga will be able to work out who it is
Fucking hell, you aren't in MI5, just tell us the name or you'll be bracketed in the "spouts transfer bollocks" category.
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Spit it out. This isn't Guess Who?.
Is it a Male?
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...I'm not naming names on purpose so I don't end up with egg on my face... however those with a knowledge of la liga will be able to work out who it is
Zzzzzzzz
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It all depends on whether another signing happens for a spanish club, if it does not happen then our man will go there. The club in question can only sign 1 out of the 2 targets it wants this January due to financial fair play sanctions. If they decide against our target then expect him to sign on loan in the next 10 days or so for us.
I'm not naming names on purpose so I don't end up with egg on my face... however those with a knowledge of la liga will be able to work out who it is
Fucking hell, you aren't in MI5, just tell us the name or you'll be bracketed in the "spouts transfer bollocks" category.
It's a bit pointless anyway, coming out with all these saft clues. You're better off just following the chairman on twitter. At least it's from the horses mouth.
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Nope sorry I'm new here!
Just thought I'd share my thought's and also relay what I've been told about January.. oh and also its not yaya toure as has been suggested at the top of this thread. Think we all need to be realistic but even still we will be more than happy!
Also on a side note one name I keep hearing is Sebastian Larsson.. has played for Bruce at 2 different teams before and can play a holding role but is more effective at getting up the pitch? Is one of Bruces trusted ones so I hear
Claretreal, it would be great if you're right regarding the top 4 player. I'm guessing......Fuck knows.
Regarding Larsson, i'd hate to see that gobby twat playing for us. Not good enough, has never done anything of note, scummy ex bluenose. No.
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Clareteal, don't worry about getting egg on your face by naming names and it doesn't happen. This guessing game bollocks has done that already.
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Sky confirming we've accepted £6m bid for Rudy. Glad we've got our money back if it's true.
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I think I've given sufficient clues to that one now.
One I can confirm is that we were looking at loftus cheek and bamford on loan until the end of the season. Bamford will be recalled by Chelsea as he just cannot cut it in the premier and was seen as cover for the AFCON. They will both sign on loan for small heath this window now. Which I hate to say but is 2 very good signings for them
Why name Small Heath's targets and not ours? What difference would it make?
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I think I've given sufficient clues to that one now.
One I can confirm is that we were looking at loftus cheek and bamford on loan until the end of the season. Bamford will be recalled by Chelsea as he just cannot cut it in the premier and was seen as cover for the AFCON. They will both sign on loan for small heath this window now. Which I hate to say but is 2 very good signings for them
Why name Small Heath's targets and not ours? What difference would it make?
Neither will go to that dreadful club.
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Real Madrid and Atletico have been sanctioned as far as transfers are concerned. So it's a player who might be moving to sides of that calibre or -failing that- a mid table Championship side?
On the basis that said player would surely have a whole host of alternatives between those two extremes, this smells like B-lose to me.
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whiff of sha
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I hope the proposed £6m for Gestede is spent on the midfield.
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Nope sorry I'm new here!
Welcome Clare! Is there a hint in your username? Real Sociedad? Madrid? Villa...Real?
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Spit it out. This isn't Guess Who?.
Is it a Male?
Do they wear glasses?
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Sounds like RLC from Chelsea
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I am tempted to do the older-fan-than-yow thing and say McParland-Dixon combo was pretty extreme but Johnny Dixon scored 29 goals in one season so he is honourably excused. Can you imagine a Villa striker getting 29 goals in a season. On £20 a week.
I though Anderson and Lochhead were not very close but it worked.
On renumerations I think the next contract for a Villa striker should be 20 pounds per week plus 100K for every goal scored.
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Keep up. RLC, Costa and Courtois are off to SHA, apparently.
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I hope the proposed £6m for Gestede is spent on the midfield.
The grass around the centre circle looks good so why waste it there?
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The spanish club is neither that have been mentioned.. madrid are not able to sign anyone at all. It is a spanish club who are in danger of relegation this season from la liga so not a top European side at all. A player who will more than likley be playing in the 2nd tier soon even if he does sign for them.
In regards to the 2 Chelsea loans to small heath.. if you read what I said about it I actually said that both were lined up to sign for us but will no longer be coming to VP.
In regards to Larsson I completely agree with you but begrudgingly must admit that might be the type of player we need. Bruce has signed him twice and he also played with clemence with them lot.
Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I know what is going on at our club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this.... also is the reason I'm not willing to disclose that first name as I dont want any of it coming back to me.
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The spanish club is neither that have been mentioned.. madrid are not able to sign anyone at all. It is a spanish club who are in danger of relegation this season from la liga so not a top European side at all. A player who will more than likley be playing in the 2nd tier soon even if he does sign for them.
In regards to the 2 Chelsea loans to small heath.. if you read what I said about it I actually said that both were lined up to sign for us but will no longer be coming to VP.
In regards to Larsson I completely agree with you but begrudgingly must admit that might be the type of player we need. Bruce has signed him twice and he also played with clemence with them lot.
Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I know what is going on at our club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this.... also is the reason I'm not willing to disclose that first name as I dont want any of it coming back to me.
What a load of cack. Anyone can post 'I know who's coming' then not mention a name. It's all a bit childish as well to be honest.
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The spanish club is neither that have been mentioned.. madrid are not able to sign anyone at all. It is a spanish club who are in danger of relegation this season from la liga so not a top European side at all. A player who will more than likley be playing in the 2nd tier soon even if he does sign for them.
In regards to the 2 Chelsea loans to small heath.. if you read what I said about it I actually said that both were lined up to sign for us but will no longer be coming to VP.
In regards to Larsson I completely agree with you but begrudgingly must admit that might be the type of player we need. Bruce has signed him twice and he also played with clemence with them lot.
Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I know what is going on at our club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this.... also is the reason I'm not willing to disclose that first name as I dont want any of it coming back to me.
You're Doug Ellis and I claim my five pounds.
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Okay Clampy nice one. Trust me you will not be disappointed when you look at our shortcomings this season and see where we need to improve.
Suppose you won't be interested in knowing why Rudy to Boro is in danger of breaking down then?
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Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I care about what is going on at your club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this....
Fixed.
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Okay Clampy nice one. Trust me you will not be disappointed when you look at our shortcomings this season and see where we need to improve.
Suppose you won't be interested in knowing why Rudy to Boro is in danger of breaking down then?
No, because you probably won't tell us anyway.
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Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I care about what is going on at your club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this....
Fixed.
Erm okay don't know what you are insinuating there.. well actually I do. Maybe it would be best if you kept quiet so you're not the one who ends up with egg on face....
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The spanish club is neither that have been mentioned.. madrid are not able to sign anyone at all. It is a spanish club who are in danger of relegation this season from la liga so not a top European side at all. A player who will more than likley be playing in the 2nd tier soon even if he does sign for them.
In regards to the 2 Chelsea loans to small heath.. if you read what I said about it I actually said that both were lined up to sign for us but will no longer be coming to VP.
In regards to Larsson I completely agree with you but begrudgingly must admit that might be the type of player we need. Bruce has signed him twice and he also played with clemence with them lot.
Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I know what is going on at our club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this.... also is the reason I'm not willing to disclose that first name as I dont want any of it coming back to me.
Fuck me its worse than playing cluedo with your nan
my prediction is we will sign a player with a head
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Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I care about what is going on at your club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this....
Fixed.
Erm okay don't know what you are insinuating there.. well actually I do. Maybe it would be best if you kept quiet so you're not the one who ends up with egg on face....
What about, a player who's supposedly signing who's name you're too scared to mention? Yep, i'll be really embarrassed.
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Okay Clampy nice one. Trust me you will not be disappointed when you look at our shortcomings this season and see where we need to improve.
Suppose you won't be interested in knowing why Rudy to Boro is in danger of breaking down then?
They've seen him play?
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Okay Clampy nice one. Trust me you will not be disappointed when you look at our shortcomings this season and see where we need to improve.
Suppose you won't be interested in knowing why Rudy to Boro is in danger of breaking down then?
No, because you probably won't tell us anyway.
Boro aren't willing to match what we are paying him. They want the difference to be made up in bonuses and also only want to sign him on a 2 and a half year deal. He wants 3 and a half years.
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I wish I had some friends.
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Tom Carroll. Just a guess
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The spanish club is neither that have been mentioned.. madrid are not able to sign anyone at all. It is a spanish club who are in danger of relegation this season from la liga so not a top European side at all. A player who will more than likley be playing in the 2nd tier soon even if he does sign for them.
In regards to the 2 Chelsea loans to small heath.. if you read what I said about it I actually said that both were lined up to sign for us but will no longer be coming to VP.
In regards to Larsson I completely agree with you but begrudgingly must admit that might be the type of player we need. Bruce has signed him twice and he also played with clemence with them lot.
Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I know what is going on at our club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this.... also is the reason I'm not willing to disclose that first name as I dont want any of it coming back to me.
*strokes imaginary Jimmy Hill style chin*
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Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I care about what is going on at your club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this....
Fixed.
Erm okay don't know what you are insinuating there.. well actually I do. Maybe it would be best if you kept quiet so you're not the one who ends up with egg on face....
I'm sure he really gives a fuck.
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Lewis Carroll, in the ensuite bathroom, with the lead pipe. Battered.
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Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I care about what is going on at your club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this....
Fixed.
Erm okay don't know what you are insinuating there.. well actually I do. Maybe it would be best if you kept quiet so you're not the one who ends up with egg on face....
I'm sure he really gives a fuck.
Maybe he does maybe he doesn't. My inkling is that he wouldn't be getting his knickers in a twist if he did not though.
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Spit it out. This isn't Guess Who?.
Is it a Male?
Do they wear glasses?
Have they got a moustache?
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Lewis Carroll, in the ensuite bathroom, with the lead pipe. Battered.
Thora hird, in the cellar with a jet wash
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Suppose you won't be interested in knowing why Rudy to Boro is in danger of breaking down then?
Yes I know this one. During the medical his weight was 20 grammes below Boro's limit for players over 6 foot tall. So their club doctor is doing a mathematical calculation to figure out if Rudy grows his hair to full Fellaini mop how much that will contribute. They need help from Teeside University of Hair technology but unfortunately as it's a bank holiday today they are all at Butlin's. So we are ALL going to have to wait till tomorrow unless the Doc can make a good guess.
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I love this time of year when out of the blue like in Mr Ben the Magic Shopkeeper appears and issues whispers of incoming transfers daring not to spill the beans of actual names. We've had so many top ITK's in the past who have worn long trench coats hiding in the shadows of dark or poorly lit car parks with a brown envelope of information. And this year on Jan 2 in a puff of smoke Claretreal appears.
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The spanish club is neither that have been mentioned.. madrid are not able to sign anyone at all. It is a spanish club who are in danger of relegation this season from la liga so not a top European side at all. A player who will more than likley be playing in the 2nd tier soon even if he does sign for them.
In regards to the 2 Chelsea loans to small heath.. if you read what I said about it I actually said that both were lined up to sign for us but will no longer be coming to VP.
In regards to Larsson I completely agree with you but begrudgingly must admit that might be the type of player we need. Bruce has signed him twice and he also played with clemence with them lot.
Feel free to catergorise my posts in whatever way you want to. I know what is going on at our club at lot more than most people on here do. If you had the friends I have then you'd realise this.... also is the reason I'm not willing to disclose that first name as I dont want any of it coming back to me.
I reckon it could be the bin
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/koZSy0nS26M/hqdefault.jpg)
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I love this time of year when out of the blue like in Mr Ben the Magic Shopkeeper appears and issues whispers of incoming transfers daring not to spill the beans of actual names. We've had so many top ITK's in the past who have worn long trench coats hiding in the shadows of dark or poorly lit car parks with a brown envelope of information. And this year on Jan 2 in a puff of smoke Claretreal appears.
And hilarious as ever it is too.
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Suppose you won't be interested in knowing why Rudy to Boro is in danger of breaking down then?
So we are ALL going to have to wait till tomorrow unless the Doc can make a good guess.
No, please dont make me wait till tomorrow, I couldn't bear it. I need a cryptic clue to give me something to desperately cling onto till then and if I don't get one I'm going to scream and scream until I'm sick.
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I have four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon and three in the evening. What am I?
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...I'm not naming names on purpose so I don't end up with egg on my face... however those with a knowledge of la liga will be able to work out who it is
Zzzzzzzz
Zzzzzzzz...inedine Zidane's son?
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I wish I had some friends.
Me too.
Billies-no-mates
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I wish I had some friends.
aah Dave we all love you mate
ps you can send my £5 to the site admin if you like
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I have four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon and three in the evening. What am I?
a pissed up Villa supporter by any chance?
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Sam Johnston deal will be anounced after todays game
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To avoid any Google search confusion...it's Sam Johnstone.
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To avoid any Google search confusion...it's Sam Johnstone.
Who is he and what does he do?
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Sam Johnston deal will be anounced after todays game
What can this cryptic clue be about? My hunch is you mean we're signing Sanchez from arsenal on loan with an option to buy if we qualify for the champions league this season.
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I wish I had some friends.
I'd be your friend but I fear rejection
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Four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon and three in the evening. I know, Blind Pugh and Squire Trelawny in the morning, Jim Lad in the afternoon and Long John Silver and Ben Gunn in the evening. It's the plot of Treasure Island. Innit.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
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Is it Father Todd Unctious?
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Pm please.
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Beneteke, Milner, Barry and Delph all coming back - Ashley just on a 6 month loan deal?
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Pm please
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Pm please
Get in line, I once lent him my Netflix login
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
PMSL please
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Grainy but believable unedited footage of Ashley Westwood making a forward pass that leads to a shot on goal?
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Can I have a PM please?
Please don't tease me like this.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Cheers, Paulie. You ain't wrong.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Based on recent performances, we've extended Flabby's contract?
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westwood
Gardner
Bacuna
Agbonlahor
Bunn
Hutton
All free to good homes
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NEED GOOD PLAYERS URGENTLY
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Cheers, Paulie. You ain't wrong.
Why all cloak and daggers?? Can't someone spill the beans???
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Please buy a right back so I never ever have to see the name Hutton on a Villa team sheet ever again.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Cheers, Paulie. You ain't wrong.
Why all cloak and daggers?? Can't someone spill the beans???
What do you know about the beans?
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Please buy a right back so I never ever have to see the name Hutton on a Villa team sheet ever again.
He is absolutely dire. Along with Westwood, Gabby, Bunn and Gardner. So massively average.
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We need an entire midfield, quickly
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Dave's found a friend?
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
We have extended everybodys contract who played today by an extra 5 years and given them a bonus of 25% for playing so brilliantly today!
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Can I have a PM please?
me too pretty pretty pretty please
Please don't tease me like this.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Dave's found a friend?
Chicago?
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come on Paulie share or PM, Pleeeeeease, after that I need some comfort.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
Cheers, Paulie. You ain't wrong.
Why all cloak and daggers?? Can't someone spill the beans???
What do you know about the beans?
Nowt....a little about cloaks but not enough for ITK
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
We're in for Morgan Schneiderlin, aren't we.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
We're in for Morgan Schneiderlin, aren't we.
No.
Here goes.
I was in Morrisons earlier. I don't normally use Morrisons, but i was passing by and needed something.
I paid at the self-pay thing. Did you know that when it detects something on the scales thing it isn't expecting, it says "Surprising item in the bagging area" rather than "Unexpected"?
Mind. Blown.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
We're in for Morgan Schneiderlin, aren't we.
No.
Here goes.
I was in Morrisons earlier. I don't normally use Morrisons, but i was passing by and needed something.
I paid at the self-pay thing. Did you know that when it detects something on the scales thing it isn't expecting, it says "Surprising item in the bagging area" rather than "Unexpected"?
Mind. Blown.
I detect a cover-up.....
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Morrisons.
Wink wink.
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Clinton?
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
We're in for Morgan Schneiderlin, aren't we.
No.
Here goes.
I was in Morrisons earlier. I don't normally use Morrisons, but i was passing by and needed something.
I paid at the self-pay thing. Did you know that when it detects something on the scales thing it isn't expecting, it says "Surprising item in the bagging area" rather than "Unexpected"?
Mind. Blown.
It wasn't the K-Y, was it?
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Please buy a right back so I never ever have to see the name Hutton on a Villa team sheet ever again.
He is absolutely dire. Along with Westwood, Gabby, Bunn and Gardner. So massively average.
Gabby, Hutton, Bunn and Gardner get nowhere near the heady heights of average.
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Clinton?
Too obvious.
Morrisons = Morris Sons = Junior version of Morris = Morris Minor = small car = Franz Carr = Franz Ferdinand = Austro-Hungary = Hungry.
We are giving Gabby a new contract.
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Please buy a right back so I never ever have to see the name Hutton on a Villa team sheet ever again.
He is absolutely dire. Along with Westwood, Gabby, Bunn and Gardner. So massively average.
Gabby, Hutton, Bunn and Gardner get nowhere near the heady heights of average.
I know I was being hugely generous. Must be the leftover New Years buzz that after today just took a massive kick in the gonads.
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We have wasted so much money and I just don't see January saving our playoff hopes. For me Id get rid of so many of the following players if we could but we will be lucky to see any of them go may have to wait till summer for most.
Ayew - doesn't care enough, too individual a luxury we cant afford to carry.
Westwood - rotten by the club, needs a change and so do we.
Gardner - simply not good enough how he got a new deal.
Cissokho - bruce clearly doesn't rate him
Elphick - slow, and simply not good enough.
Bunn - two errors in two games have cost us points
Hutton - another that has been at the club too long, is a trier but is simply not good enough.
Richards - where is he .......... complete waste of wages
McCormack - probably the biggest waste of all - overweight and another luxury too slow.
For the rest of the season id go
Goalkeeper - TBC - cant be worse than the two we have played
RB - TBC - desperately need someone in
Baker
Chester
Amavi
Bacuna/Tishbola/Jedinak
TBC - athletic midfielder who carries a goal threat
Grealish as out and out no 10
Adomah - RW - must improve.
Kodija - LW - must learn to cross and carry the ball much quicker
New Striker - TBC
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I'm going to kick the crap out of the M&S checkout if it asks me if I've scanned my Sparks card one more time. I haven't because I don't have one and I don't fucking want one so fuck off.
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I'm going to kick the crap out of the M&S checkout if it asks me if I've scanned my Sparks card one more time. I haven't because I don't have one and I don't fucking want one so fuck off.
I've stolen at least 50 5p bags from M&S, fuck the fuckers
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A central midfield who can run, or pass, or beat a man, or play a through ball, or have a shot. Anything will be better than those pair of fannies Westwood and Gardner.
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Two central midfielders, both with good engines. One that can burst forward and score/create the other that can dictate from the middle and pass the ball more than 3 yards sideways
A fucking right back
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Clinton?
James?
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Fuckin' Jim Morrison would have more life in him than Westwood, Gardner and Flabby.
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Clinton?
James?
David?
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Clinton?
Hillary?
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We have needed an entire midfield for the last four seasons, quickly
Sorry Paulie, had to fix it.
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Clinton?
Hillary?
Edmund?
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Clinton?
Hillary?
Edmund?
Blackadder?
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Clinton?
Hillary?
Edmund?
Blackadder?
Captain?
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Clinton?
Hillary?
Edmund?
Blackadder?
Captain?
Barry
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I'm going to kick the crap out of the M&S checkout if it asks me if I've scanned my Sparks card one more time. I haven't because I don't have one and I don't fucking want one so fuck off.
ok, pretty random place for this rant; but I think I'll join you.
It bloody knows you haven't scanned it so why does it have to ask such a fuck-dumb question?
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Clinton?
Hillary?
Edmund?
Blackadder?
Captain?
Birds eye?
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Darling?
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Clinton?
Hillary?
Edmund?
Blackadder?
Captain?
Haddock? I've solved it. Gattuso on loan.
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Darling?
Yes dear?
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Looks like reindeer.
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I'm going to kick the crap out of the M&S checkout if it asks me if I've scanned my Sparks card one more time. I haven't because I don't have one and I don't fucking want one so fuck off.
ok, pretty random place for this rant; but I think I'll join you.
It bloody knows you haven't scanned it so why does it have to ask such a fuck-dumb question?
Exactly, surely it remembers me telling it to piss off the previous day?
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Dr Tony, please replace our midfield
(https://s24.postimg.org/ogqz22cld/anonymous_logo_300x300.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ogqz22cld/)
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Lansbury and Hourihane's contracts are up at the end of the season. We should be going all out for the pair of them this month. Wouldn't cost the earth either. 3 in the centre with stability, balance and creativity
Jedinak
Lansbury. Hourihane
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We need an entire midfield, quickly
That's entirely convincing but not mind-blowing.
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Lansbury and Hourihane's contracts are up at the end of the season. We should be going all out for the pair of them this month. Wouldn't cost the earth either. 3 in the centre with stability, balance and creativity
Jedinak
Lansbury. Hourihane
Could not agree more. 2 more obvious transfers that we desperately need could not be found. Lansbury also has that edge of twattiness that we could do with more of, and Hourihane actually creates and scores goals.
We need at least 2 in midfield and a pacey wide forward in the next 10 days. In goal Gollini should be stuck with. If we actually scored goals he would be under a lot less pressure.
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Lansbury and Hourihane's contracts are up at the end of the season. We should be going all out for the pair of them this month. Wouldn't cost the earth either. 3 in the centre with stability, balance and creativity
Jedinak
Lansbury. Hourihane
Could not agree more. 2 more obvious transfers that we desperately need could not be found. Lansbury also has that edge of twattiness that we could do with more of, and Hourihane actually creates and scores goals.
We need at least 2 in midfield and a pacey wide forward in the next 10 days. In goal Gollini should be stuck with. If we actually scored goals he would be under a lot less pressure.
Agree. For matches at home we can have an extra man. Could switch the 3 to a 2, drop jack or Ross into the 10. Versatility in the centre for not much outlay.
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7 away goals so far this season? Terrible midfield. If the aim is still promotion this season then these issues simply have to be addressed this month.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
You're on acid and playing Black Sabbath backwards.
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I've just heard something convincing and pretty much mind blowing.
In a good way?
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Lansbury and Hourihane's contracts are up at the end of the season. We should be going all out for the pair of them this month. Wouldn't cost the earth either. 3 in the centre with stability, balance and creativity
Jedinak
Lansbury. Hourihane
Could not agree more. 2 more obvious transfers that we desperately need could not be found. Lansbury also has that edge of twattiness that we could do with more of, and Hourihane actually creates and scores goals.
We need at least 2 in midfield and a pacey wide forward in the next 10 days. In goal Gollini should be stuck with. If we actually scored goals he would be under a lot less pressure.
Agree. For matches at home we can have an extra man. Could switch the 3 to a 2, drop jack or Ross into the 10. Versatility in the centre for not much outlay.
Lansbury can play centre mid or in the number 10 role so there would be the flexibility to change mid-game. Another club captain to add some leadership and Championship experience too. They can't be fucking about.
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Might we try and persuade Steven Gerrard to have one last swansong and try to get us promoted before he starts his coaching career, or would he already be at Newcastle if that appealed to him?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/chelsea-transfer-news-john-obi-mikel-agrees-valencia-move-a7505316.html
This ticks all the boxes to be the potential deal claretreal was alluding to a few pages back?
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Might we try and persuade Steven Gerrard to have one last swansong and try to get us promoted before he starts his coaching career, or would he already be at Newcastle if that appealed to him?
Outside of some very tasty free kicks what could he offer us though?
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Might we try and persuade Steven Gerrard to have one last swansong and try to get us promoted before he starts his coaching career, or would he already be at Newcastle if that appealed to him?
Outside of some very tasty free kicks what could he offer us though?
We'd never forget his birthday.
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Might we try and persuade Steven Gerrard to have one last swansong and try to get us promoted before he starts his coaching career, or would he already be at Newcastle if that appealed to him?
Outside of some very tasty free kicks what could he offer us though?
We'd never forget his birthday.
giggle :)
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A bit worrying if even on reduced wages we're still paying Rudy a wage that Boro baulk at.
Clare, don't mind the frosty reception. Even if it's all guff, it makes more entertaining reading than us all repeating what we need and what the gossip columns are saying.
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As stated already a concern that we have Ruddy talking to Villaboro, when we are about to lose forwards to the African cup, also Ayew kept back but not used, under rumour of a possible sale, so a sign that money needs to come in before a spend, maybe not Dr. Tony but the Wynass and Round influence taking hold, I know we have supposed to have turned down a offer for Amavi, but still a concern until the accounts come out.
Also agree with Northern soul as to Claretreal and his cluedo game, Obi in the dining room with Westwoods influencing a football game album from 1945.
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Lewis Carroll, in the ensuite bathroom, with the lead pipe. Battered.
Thora hird, in the cellar with a jet wash
Is there a Stannah stair-lift?
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Can I have a PM from paulie or whoever he's already sent one to please?
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I would rather have my mind blown earlier than later thanks.
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Can I have a PM from paulie or whoever he's already sent one to please?
Me too, pretty please. Some good news to cheer me up on first day back at work would be nice.
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Can I have a PM from paulie or whoever he's already sent one to please?
Me too, pretty please. Some good news to cheer me up on first day back at work would be nice.
Second that, 🙏🏻
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Paulie, if I could have a PM too, I'd appreciate it.
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I'll clear it up for Paulie.
It's Tom Huddlestone, The Night Manger.
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Away win a manger.
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I would rather have my mind blown earlier than later thanks.
I'll tell you what blows my mind. How the fucking hell do successive managers give Westwood a place in the team. I heard that Westwood was trained by Derren Brown in how to mind fuck people. Each new manager upon meeting him for the first time is transfixed on the idea that he's a useful footballer in the mould of Lampard/Gerrard. It's why he never gets to meet an England manager as his mind fucking abilities are known by the FA.
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Quite simply we have to sign an entire midfield this window and please please please fuck Westwank off this transfer window or simply give him the Tshibola treatment if there are no mug punters so we don't have to see that soft twat anywhere near a squad ever again.
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Can I have a pm please Paulie.
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I might be misreading things but I have a feeling paulie was taking the piss a little bit so i'm not sure there's anything to PM.
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I wasn't sure.
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It was a joke about Morrisons self service check out wasn't it?
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It was a joke about Morrisons self service check out wasn't it?
I tohught so, which is why all the requests a PM after that seem odd.
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I thought his Morrisons post was a metaphor. This is like analysing the final episode of the Sopranos, appropriately.
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I might be misreading things but I have a feeling paulie was taking the piss a little bit so i'm not sure there's anything to PM.
Yes, and he roped me in first, the cad.
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Clinton?
Hillary?
Edmund?
Blackadder?
Captain?
Barry
Penalty?
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It was a joke about Morrisons self service check out wasn't it?
I tohught so, which is why all the requests a PM after that seem odd.
He just loves being centre of attention and claretreal had shoved him out for a while ;)
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who we signing then Paulie reckons
James Morrison he said ?
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I joined this thread on page 64 and it reads like a Radio 4 Panel Show.
I'm fully expecting the Morrison tittle tattle to be a red herring and find out that we've signed Nicky Tesco from the Members.
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I joined this thread on page 64 and it reads like a Radio 4 Panel Show.
I'm fully expecting the Morrison tittle tattle to be a red herring and find out that we've signed Nicky Tesco from the Members.
We've signed a kit deal with Asdadas
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So we have a verbal agreement for Manchester United goalkeeper Sam Johnstone, just need to sort out the paper work this week.
Anybody else on the horizon?
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It was a joke about Morrisons self service check out wasn't it?
I tohught so, which is why all the requests a PM after that seem odd.
Feckin' eejits !
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Could I have a pm please Paulie
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Kevin Toner and Easah Suliman are back .
no threat to westwood then
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Kevin Toner and Easah Suliman are back .
no threat to westwood then
Surely Carles Gil back in place of Westwood?
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
Does that mean we still haven't finished the email, or are we creating an elaborate home made card?
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
I can't see Forest selling one of their best players to Derby.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
I can't see Forest selling one of their best players to Derby.
He's out of contract at the end of the season, so if for some reason that's where he wants to go they'll probably take the £3m.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
Mark Clemmit who does the EFL reports on Final Score said on Saturday that Derby's £2.5 million bid has been turned down. It could be difficult to sort out a bid in the next few days because Forest are in the process of being sold and is expected to be done by Friday.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
Mark Clemmit who does the EFL reports on Final Score said on Saturday that Derby's £2.5 million bid has been turned down. It could be difficult to sort out a bid in the next few days because Forest are in the process of being sold and is expected to be done by Friday.
I've no idea how good Lansbury is but on the small amount of TV highlights that I've seen, I'd pay £2.5 mil plus throw Gardner in (if they'd still have him) I know there is zero chance of Gardner moving, given it would probably be for a drop in wages but the simple truth is that he is nowhere near good enough. If we could use him as a lever to sign an improvement then that is all good for me.
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He's a horrible, nasty, cheating shit.
I'd like us to sign him.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
Mark Clemmit who does the EFL reports on Final Score said on Saturday that Derby's £2.5 million bid has been turned down. It could be difficult to sort out a bid in the next few days because Forest are in the process of being sold and is expected to be done by Friday.
Forest are in trouble with FFP and this takeover will not help in the short term
£3m and Gardner may seal the deal
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
I saw it reported that he'd turned us down and wanted to go to Derby.
Mark Clemmit who does the EFL reports on Final Score said on Saturday that Derby's £2.5 million bid has been turned down. It could be difficult to sort out a bid in the next few days because Forest are in the process of being sold and is expected to be done by Friday.
Forest are in trouble with FFP and this takeover will not help in the short term
£3m and Gardner may seal the deal
Or £2m straight cash.
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I doubt we'd give them a midfielder who's just signed a new contract. Someone like Kozak possibly, although I haven't see a great deal of Lansbury so I'm not sure how much he's worth.
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I doubt we'd give them a midfielder who's just signed a new contract. Someone like Kozak possibly, although I haven't see a great deal of Lansbury so I'm not sure how much he's worth.
We.d "give" them a midfielder. Getting him to go is another issue mind.
Offering Kozak is an insult to them-If we want to kill a potential deal. offering the other side Kozak should do the trick. Kozak is nowhere near championship standard. Even the bottom 3 in the division have better.
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I doubt we'd give them a midfielder who's just signed a new contract. Someone like Kozak possibly, although I haven't see a great deal of Lansbury so I'm not sure how much he's worth.
We.d "give" them a midfielder. Getting him to go is another issue mind.
Offering Kozak is an insult to them-If we want to kill a potential deal. offering the other side Kozak should do the trick. Kozak is nowhere near championship standard. Even the bottom 3 in the division have better.
I think you could honestly say the same about our two starting central midfielders yesterday.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
She's in her 90s surely?
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
She's in her 90s surely?
I can't stand "Murder, She Wrote", either, so if we did sign her it would be a new low to which this once great club had sunk.
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Leicester could be offloading Ulloa, I'd buy him if he's prepared to drop down a division.
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Lansbury was a complete tosser when they came to Villa Park. He'd improve our midfield immediately.
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I'm just happy that the areas we have all identified as weaknesses are being looked at first. Goalkeeper has been dodgy and midfield awful. Lansbury is better than anything we have and he will make Jedinak better. It isn't that hard to improve on Bunn. Gollini I'm not convinced about.
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John Percy reporting on our £3m bid. He's usually reliable so this could be a go-er. A few forest fans on Twitter are saying it's more £4m and Gardner on loan
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Lansbury is no world beater, he's a good player at Championship level. Let's be honest though, compared to Gardner and Westwood it would be like signing Iniesta.
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John Percy reporting on our £3m bid. He's usually reliable so this could be a go-er. A few forest fans on Twitter are saying it's more £4m and Gardner on loan
oh yes - ive just wet my pants - yes please
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£4m would be peanuts to Dr Xia......
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While we're at it, bid £4m each for Lansbury and Hourihane? Ship out Westwood and Gardner? Although, why can't Gardner reproduce his Forest form at B6?
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£4m would be peanuts to Dr Xia......
I think financial Fairplay restricts him here, he has certainly given the last manager a chance by giving him a good chunk of our parachute and sales proceeds . I see sensible January ahead rather than a splurge. Using the proceeds from sales and wage trimming. Gestede and Kozak being key I guess.
But hey, if he has the cash and can spend it go for it!
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£4m would be peanuts to Dr Xia......
I think financial Fairplay restricts him here, he has certainly given the last manager a chance by giving him a good chunk of our parachute and sales proceeds . I see sensible January ahead rather than a splurge. Using the proceeds from sales and wage trimming. Gestede and Kozak being key I guess.
But hey, if he has the cash and can spend it go for it!
I'm sure the DR has stated before that we didn't even touch the parachute money with regards the transfers
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John Percy reporting on our £3m bid. He's usually reliable so this could be a go-er. A few forest fans on Twitter are saying it's more £4m and Gardner on loan
Can someone tell GG I'll pick him up in 10 minutes
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
The 'preparing a bid' phrase is great. What do we do, stick it in the oven on 200 until it's done? ;D
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Look I'm confused now. What's this prepared bid got to do with Morrison's? Or are we off that now?
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Johnstone could be a permanent transfer from Manure
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Forest fan friend says Lansbury has a tendency to lose his cool.
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Forest fan friend says Lansbury has a tendency to lose his cool.
Im sick of penguins in midfield thou, bring him in .
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Forest fan friend says Lansbury has a tendency to lose his cool.
Im sick of penguins in midfield thou, bring him in .
Would love some grit in the midfield.
Gardner, Westwood and Jack are SOFT.
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He's a grade A Nugget, according to the couple of Forest I know.They inform he has the talent to shine,nominally in a midfield 3.However,his performances seem to improve as a new contract is in sight.A touch of a wind up on the pitch..always liable for a card or two,see how he dealt with Shelvey.However,a ego and sense of entitlement to match Gabby,Richards and co.He'll be at home straight away.Rumour is he fancies Watford.
He's definitely a social sort of fella... enjoys the odd night ...However,one area we need to improve dramatically is goals from other areas of the pitch.He'll help here,a very good return from central midfield.We have had no one since Milner whom has had a return in this department.
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While we're at it, bid £4m each for Lansbury and Hourihane? Ship out Westwood and Gardner? Although, why can't Gardner reproduce his Forest form at B6?
IIRC, they basically asked him to do what Jedinak does for us, i.e. stand in front of the centre backs and break up play without doing much else. I don't know how he was with his passing there though, because it's been shocking for us.
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We should be dubious about players who looked good when the played us. With the space we afford teams, that should apply to just about anyone who can control a football.
That said, a few WHam fans I know wanted Lansbury on a permanent deal when he helped to get them up a few years back.
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Any white man who braids his hair should have a word with himself.
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I'm irrationally sceptical of an English person with the first name 'Henri.'
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Any white man who braids his hair should have a word with himself.
Its 2017, the year of the social justice warrior. Any white man can go into whatever bathroom he wants, do whatever he wants to his hair and marry goats.
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guess Lanbury is a proven performer at our level, never been overly impressed with him or his braids...
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Heard tonight that the £3m has been rejected. Don't know if we will go higher
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Hourihane looks the better of the 2, but the truth is we could do with both in front of Jedinak. If we want to go up, be it this season or next, sorting out the midfield is the most important thing. We need someone who can take a free kick and corner, 2 players with the legs to create and support the forwards and 2 midfielders that will chip in with goals. Lansbury and Hourihane are ideal. We should go and get them early on so we have them for the games to come.
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Agreed Jim. Both soon to be out of contract too. I wonder if Phelan being sacked at Hull might lead to a player exodus as they ready for the Championship. Snodgrass would be great!
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I think most sides from 8th down would take Snodgrass in the Premier league. Quality player.
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Snodgrass is not coming to the championship anytime soon.
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SSN reckons we're preparing a bid for Lansbury.
She's in her 90s surely?
I can't stand "Murder, She Wrote", either, so if we did sign her it would be a new low to which this once great club had sunk.
If we do sign Lansbury everyone had better watch out as there will be dead bodies everywhere round villa park
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We have a tendency to ignore the warnings/thoughts of other fans of clubs whose players or managers we are set to sign and from what I've read Forest fans aren't particularly fond of Lansbury, a good portion think him very average. With that in mind he must be 10 times the player Westwank is, so let's get him in.
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From what I've seen of Hourihane I'd take him, not interested in Lansbury, he's a knob and he's really not very good. Exactly the sort of bad signing that's "better than what we've got" that's turned out badly repeatedly for the last 6-7 years. He gives off the same warning signals as Ireland, Nzog and RM all did for me. I'm hoping the last of those proves to be an exception but I'm not all that optimistic right now, I certainly don't want another one of them.
For a second one, if we're looking in the championship I like the look of the Aussie guy for Burton, big guy, gets into the box, and can finish with his head and feet. Can't remember his name though. He's not the sort of playerI'd normally go for in midfield but I'm fedd up of us not scoring from midfield and not getting people into the box so he'll do the job whilst we're stuck down here and then we can see what happens once we're back up.
Aside from that I've seen a link on facebook suggesting we're interested in Chery from QPR, he's another one I'm not sure about, seems a bit of a show pony.
At right back I'd happily take Jenkinson on loan if he's available, he's a massive upgrade on Hutton.
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Snodgrass is not coming to the championship anytime soon.
OK how about next week?
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B'ham Mail quoting Nigel Spink saying rumours of Jordan Rhodes being seen "at the training ground"??
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Followed by.. "I don't know if there is any truth in that."
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What does 'preparing a bid' actually mean? Are we or aren't we?
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What does 'preparing a bid' actually mean? Are we or aren't we?
I think it's the new way of the press saying we're interested in a player without really knowing if we are or not.
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Judging by some of our signings of late in our case 'preparing a bid' probably means having a look at the player once the cheque is in the post.
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The Aussie at Burton is Irvine.
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Lansbury always reminds me of the posh traveller kid in the second Inbetweeners film.
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What does 'preparing a bid' actually mean? Are we or aren't we?
Counting the coupons to see if we have enough.
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Hasn't Lansbury also gone from braids to a man bun? That makes him a wrong 'un in my book.
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What does 'preparing a bid' actually mean? Are we or aren't we?
I always imagine the board huddled round a table counting money out to see of they have enough :-)
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It means we're talking to agents.
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What does 'preparing a bid' actually mean? Are we or aren't we?
I'm 'preparing a bid' for Kirsty Gallacher
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Paul 'We go again' Lambert is interested in taking McCormack on loan, apparently.
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The front of the bloke. Let's throw in Kodjia and Amavi just to make sure.
If he's as good a manager as he somehow still seems to think he is, he should be able to get a tune out of Westwood and Gabby.
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Paul 'We go again' Lambert is interested in taking McCormack on loan, apparently.
Get tae fuck.
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Paul 'We go again' Lambert is interested in taking McCormack on loan, apparently.
Get tae fuck.
£10m and you can have him, £8m and you can have Westwood too.
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The front of the bloke. Let's throw in Kodjia and Amavi just to make sure.
If he's as good a manager as he somehow still seems to think he is, he should be able to get a tune out of Westwood and Gabby.
If he takes Westwood & Gabby, he can have McCormack for nowt.
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Dr X has tweeted that one loan is done and the club are working on another plus 2-3 buys
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Good news. So coupled with the Bruce quote about not buying numbers for the sake of it we should be looking at 4-5 new players in the starting line up.
My guess is 1 keeper, 1 full back, 2 midfielders and one striker as the nice-to-have.
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Dr X has tweeted that one loan is done and the club are working on another plus 2-3 buys
I'm guessing Johnstone is the loan deal?
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What does 'preparing a bid' actually mean? Are we or aren't we?
Sending the secretary to the letterhead paper cupboard, changing the cartridge in the fountain pen, switching the fax machine on, it all takes time. Someone ought to introduce them to email, it's so much quicker.
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Dr X has tweeted that one loan is done and the club are working on another plus 2-3 buys
I'm guessing Johnstone is the loan deal?
Jinkin' Jimmy Johnstone?
One for the teenagers.
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Johnstone
Jenkinson/Trippier
Hourihane/Lansbury/Huddlestone/James
Rhodes/Hernandez/Assombalonga
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I'd be happy selling both Ayew and McCormack. Get money for Ross whilst we can can and I don't see what Ayew adds to the team.
Give RHM a chance.
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Johnstone
Jenkinson/Trippier
Hourihane/Lansbury/Huddlestone/James
Rhodes/Hernandez/Assombalonga
Excellent choices ,except for Huddlestone whose mobility and workrate would have us remembering Ginola and Pires as workaholics.
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Some of these would improve us immesurably
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Nigel Sphinx has said in a horrible rag that he's heard a rumour that Jordan Rhodes has been seen at Bodymoor Heath
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Probably doing a bit of pyramid selling.
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Probably the poorest sentence I've written. Ah well, the edit button is for tossers.
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Very good sentence. The inscrutable Sphinx is a very good starting point for our transfer dealings.
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I wish Xia would Giza clue as to who we're after.
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I wish Xia would Giza clue as to who we're after.
Nile Ranger - many on here have said we need to buy a King Cnut.
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Who is tutankhamun this window?
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You Ptolemy.
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I'm a bit Sadat no signings until now.
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Perhaps claretreal, is suggesting we are signing Aaron Rameses?
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Perhaps claretreal, is suggesting we are signing Aaron Rameses?
Which one?
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I'm a bit Sadat no signings until now.
If Bruce doesn't get the signings right, we might end up needing a new boss.
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I've got my heart Seti on a few more signings.
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We can have our asp irations.
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Amiens midfielder Guessouma Fofana, according to reports in France.
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And Angela is reportedly on his way for £3 million.
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Would that be JP Angela?
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Wasn't that Forfana linked with us all Summer a few years ago?
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Would that be JP Angela?
And Angela is reportedly on his way for £3 million.
This one might be a ' goer' , the Guardian’s deputy news editor Ed Aarons has claimed that Villa are in pole position to land the Arsenal academy product this month.
Aarons, who is one of the national newspaper’s transfer experts, made the revelation on his personal Twitter account on Wednesday evening Villa are “expected” to sign Lansbury for £3million from the Championship rivals.
Ed Aarons @ed_aarons
Aston Villa expected to sign Henri Lansbury for £3m from Forest #avfc
6:42 PM - 4 Jan 2017
.....Godzvilla!
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average at best only place we are going is mid table i thought the doc was going to buy top notch players not long haired herberts
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average at best only place we are going is mid table i thought the doc was going to buy top notch players not long haired herberts
Poor troll at best, I thought that Villa obsessed nose trolls were going to come up with something more original now they are below us and their season is finished and they can't fall back on that.
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mate in villa through and through look at my previous posts ......he is average at best do you even watch us home and away ?
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Amiens midfielder Guessouma Fofana, according to reports in France.
He's a big lad. 6 months left on his contract. Apparently Stoke had an offer turned down this week. Norwich are also said to be interested.
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average at best only place we are going is mid table i thought the doc was going to buy top notch players not long haired herberts
Not the best quote....
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Amiens midfielder Guessouma Fofana, according to reports in France.
He's a big lad. 6 months left on his contract. Apparently Stoke had an offer turned down this week. Norwich are also said to be interested.
Bruce has a habit of getting these types of players. Gets a tune out of them too.
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mate in villa through and through look at my previous posts ......he is average at best do you even watch us home and away ?
Who is that trip trapping over my bridge?
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Amiens midfielder Guessouma Fofana, according to reports in France.
He's a big lad. 6 months left on his contract. Apparently Stoke had an offer turned down this week. Norwich are also said to be interested.
Bruce has a habit of getting these types of players. Gets a tune out of them too.
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I thought everyone looked good on a show reel ... even Westwood !!!
But this guy a) looks rather average and b) appears to play in a similar position / fashion to Adomah which is strange
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RM rumored to wolves. Rudy gone. Two at the ACN. Suddenly we are relying on gabby again...
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average at best only place we are going is mid table i thought the doc was going to buy top notch players not long haired herberts
Poor troll at best, I thought that Villa obsessed nose trolls were going to come up with something more original now they are below us and their season is finished and they can't fall back on that.
Face pushed up against the glass as usual, watching us feast from the outside.
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RM rumored to wolves. Rudy gone. Two at the ACN. Suddenly we are relying on gabby again...
No way wil fat ross go to wolves or anywhere else
we overpaid at 12 million so even if we took a bath on him he wouldnt go for under 8 which no one will pay
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How long have you been having these fantasies about Ross in a bath?
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Can Ross actually leave? Didn't he okay for Fulham early doors and isn't there a rule you can't play for 3 teams in a season?
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The way he is playing I bet he is more dangerous in the bloody bath than to the opposition goal. We've signed him 3 years too late, with a lack of pace in a team that has no creative edge. Just brilliant management decisions.
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The way he is playing I bet he is more dangerous in the bloody bath than to the opposition goal. We've signed him 3 years too late, with a lack of pace in a team that has no creative edge. Just brilliant management decisions.
Agree, the fact he is obviously overweight doesnt help and makes me wonder why we employ fitness coaches
if he has a great season and helps us go up then fine but if he doesnt we have another player in the twilight of his career with minimal resale value
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Sam Johnstone deal to be completed tomorrow apparently.
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Not sure about this one he looks a bit overweight to me.
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Christ. For a moment then I thought we'd signed Gerry Francis!
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Wow that's uncanny!
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The way he is playing I bet he is more dangerous in the bloody bath than to the opposition goal. We've signed him 3 years too late, with a lack of pace in a team that has no creative edge. Just brilliant management decisions.
We've just recouped our money on Rudy. Maybe we finally have people in charge who can get top dollar for anyone we sell.
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Bruce to let Jedi leave to 'free up funds' according to Mirror. Elphick could be off as well. Westwood is being awarded a new four year contract. Okay so I might have made that up.
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Spontaneous joy will burst out on HD threads if that news about our Ash was true. Please say you didn't make it up?
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Bruce to let Jedi leave to 'free up funds' according to Mirror. Elphick could be off as well. Westwood is being awarded a new four year contract. Okay so I might have made that up.
Mirror article 5th Jan
Aston Villa are ready to take their season's spending past £75million in a bid to secure promotion back to the Premier League at the first time of asking.
Boss Steve Bruce has been handed £25m to spend this month.
And his kitty will be further boosted by any money generated by player sales — starting with the £6m from top-flight Middlesbrough for striker Rudy Gestede, who completed his move to the Riverside on Wednesday.
Villa splashed out around £50m in the summer as new boss Roberto Di Matteo overhauled the squad relegated from the Premier League last season by bringing in nine players.
Alex Smithies of Championship rivals QPR is on Bruce's shopping list
But Di Matteo was sacked in October and now successor Bruce wants to bring in a keeper, a right-back, a left-winger and a striker.
Norwich full-back/winger Robbie Brady — who Bruce signed for Hull when he was manager there — and QPR goalie Alex Smithies are two of his targets.
Villa paid £12m for striker McCormack in August but Bruce would part with him (Photo: Aston Villa FC via Getty)
Summer signings Ross McCormack, Mile Jedinak and Tommy Elphick are among the men Bruce is open to moving on to make space for his signings.
Despite an upturn in form following Bruce’s appointment and their big summer of spending, Villa are still only 12th in the Championship.
Villa boss Bruce is targeting a repeat of last May's Wembley triumph with Hull (Photo: Getty)
They are a massive 17 points behind second-placed Newcastle in terms of automatic promotion but trail Sheffield Wednesday, who are in the final play-off spot, by just seven and targeting a push for a top six finish.
Promotion specialist Bruce took Hull up via the play-offs last season, and steered Birmingham City into the Premier League by that same route in 2002.
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If we signed Rhodes I could see McCormack being gone by window end. Too similar and there would be little point in having both. We need someone that can play as a line forward and actually being others into the game.
And that mirror sorry is utter garbage. No way wold he let Jedinak go. Elphick is our only real backup to the glass Baker too.
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It's bollocks, its plainly obvious we need centre midfielders and there is no mention of that. Bruce must know it too.
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The Mirror have and always will make most things up. It's easy nowadays. They can put a story up like that on their website, then take it down again a few hours later if they want.
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Not sure about this one he looks a bit overweight to me.
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Word
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Blimey Boswell it says here they are digging up the Lichfield Road again.
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Blimey Boswell it says here they are digging up the Lichfield Road again.
Like it!
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Bruce to let Jedi leave to 'free up funds' according to Mirror. Elphick could be off as well. Westwood is being awarded a new four year contract. Okay so I might have made that up.
If we let Elphick go we have no real cover for Baker or Chester. Richards is out of the picture (permanently hopefully) and Toner is not up to the mark
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Man U goalie confirmed
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According to HITC Sport :
" Brighton and Hove Albion have rejected a bid from Aston Villa for key midfielder Dale Stephens.
Dale Stephens is out of contract in the summer so Aston Villa are trying to snap him up on a cut-price deal.
The 27-year-old is an integral part of Brighton’s successful midfield as he keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " .
A player who "keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " ?.....Hmmmm sounds like someone elses job ( alleged ) description ..............Godzvilla?
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Can't the club do a "Buy One Get One Free" promotion on Flabby*, Driftwood** et al....
(*, ** - credit to Bad English)
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According to HITC Sport :
" Brighton and Hove Albion have rejected a bid from Aston Villa for key midfielder Dale Stephens.
Dale Stephens is out of contract in the summer so Aston Villa are trying to snap him up on a cut-price deal.
The 27-year-old is an integral part of Brighton’s successful midfield as he keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " .
A player who "keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " ?.....Hmmmm sounds like someone elses job ( alleged ) description ..............Godzvilla?
We were sniffing around him at the same time as Westwood. He's OK, not much more.
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According to HITC Sport :
" Brighton and Hove Albion have rejected a bid from Aston Villa for key midfielder Dale Stephens.
Dale Stephens is out of contract in the summer so Aston Villa are trying to snap him up on a cut-price deal.
The 27-year-old is an integral part of Brighton’s successful midfield as he keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " .
A player who "keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " ?.....Hmmmm sounds like someone elses job ( alleged ) description ..............Godzvilla?
We were sniffing around him at the same time as Westwood. He's OK, not much more.
But compared to Westwank he looks like Gerrard!
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Welcome Sam. I fully expect your last name to be spelt incorrectly from this point onwards.
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According to HITC Sport :
" Brighton and Hove Albion have rejected a bid from Aston Villa for key midfielder Dale Stephens.
Dale Stephens is out of contract in the summer so Aston Villa are trying to snap him up on a cut-price deal.
The 27-year-old is an integral part of Brighton’s successful midfield as he keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " .
A player who "keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " ?.....Hmmmm sounds like someone elses job ( alleged ) description ..............Godzvilla?
We were sniffing around him at the same time as Westwood. He's OK, not much more.
So the smell of shit wasn't quite as strong and lingering as with Westwood.
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According to HITC Sport :
" Brighton and Hove Albion have rejected a bid from Aston Villa for key midfielder Dale Stephens.
Dale Stephens is out of contract in the summer so Aston Villa are trying to snap him up on a cut-price deal.
The 27-year-old is an integral part of Brighton’s successful midfield as he keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " .
A player who "keeps things ticking over with tidy and composed displays in the middle of the park " ?.....Hmmmm sounds like someone elses job ( alleged ) description ..............Godzvilla?
He is about as slow as Gardner, but better on that ball than him.
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I don't have a problem with slow midfielders. It's the ones that can't pass or tackle either that I have an issue with.
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I don't have a problem with slow midfielders. It's the ones that can't pass or tackle either that I have an issue with.
I do, we desperately need to add someone with a bit of pace into the team, we're far too slow in midfield.
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I don't have a problem with slow midfielders. It's the ones that can't pass or tackle either that I have an issue with.
I do, we desperately need to add someone with a bit of pace into the team, we're far too slow in midfield.
Absolutely
we need two in the centre who can drive us forward and quicken our game
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I don't have a problem with slow midfielders. It's the ones that can't pass or tackle either that I have an issue with.
I do, we desperately need to add someone with a bit of pace into the team, we're far too slow in midfield.
They also have to have quickness of mind.
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I don't have a problem with slow midfielders. It's the ones that can't pass or tackle either that I have an issue with.
I do, we desperately need to add someone with a bit of pace into the team, we're far too slow in midfield.
Absolutely
we need two in the centre who can drive us forward and quicken our game
We need both really. But I wouldn't say no to a Barry type with no pace but good passing instead of any of Westwood/Gardner/Jedi.
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We need pace and energy more than anything else in midfield.
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We need pace and energy more than anything else in midfield.
More than anything we need a midfield ;-)
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According to the Mirror today,McCormack, Jedinak and Elphick are among the players Bruce is open to moving on to make space for new signings. Hope the other players he's hoping to move on are Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Westwood, Gardner, Agbonlahor ,Ayew, Cissokho and Vertout. I put the last one in, as it seems he doesn't want to come back even when his loan is finished.
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According to the Mirror today,McCormack, Jedinak and Elphick are among the players Bruce is open to moving on to make space for new signings. Hope the other players he's hoping to move on are Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Westwood, Gardner, Agbonlahor ,Ayew, Cissokho and Vertout. I put the last one in, as it seems he doesn't want to come back even when his loan is finished.
Bruce today has said gabby is like a new player and can fill the void left by kodija
jesus wept
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That is some void he can fill to be fair
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A void? Gabby could fill a black hole!
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Never mind finding space he could be space
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I just cannot fathom what he has seen in Gabby's performances since his return that in any way suggest he is going to be of more use than a cock flavoured lollipop.
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I just cannot fathom what he has seen in Gabby's performances since his return that in any way suggest he is going to be of more use than a cock flavoured lollipop.
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homophobic comment -reported to moderators. It's 2017 fella such 'jokes' aren't appreciated by football fans and decent minded people .
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I just cannot fathom what he has seen in Gabby's performances since his return that in any way suggest he is going to be of more use than a cock flavoured lollipop.
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homophobic comment -reported to moderators. It's 2017 fella such 'jokes' aren't appreciated by football fans and decent minded people .
So tell me Footy - why on earth is it a homophobic comment? And next time get a fucking grip and have a think before throwing around accusations like that.
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I just cannot fathom what he has seen in Gabby's performances since his return that in any way suggest he is going to be of more use than a cock flavoured lollipop.
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homophobic comment -reported to moderators. It's 2017 fella such 'jokes' aren't appreciated by football fans and decent minded people .
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I just cannot fathom what he has seen in Gabby's performances since his return that in any way suggest he is going to be of more use than a cock flavoured lollipop.
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homophobic comment -reported to moderators. It's 2017 fella such 'jokes' aren't appreciated by football fans and decent minded people .
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I don't understand ? is it cause i am too old?
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They sell cock-shaped lollipops in Skeggy
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They sell cock-shaped lollipops in Skeggy
what flavour ?
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Be careful footy. The word "cock" could be predictive spelling for "crap" or "sock". Just like you posted that Dr Tony texts with his knob.
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They sell cock-shaped lollipops in Skeggy
what flavour ?
Cheese and onion
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Footy - it's a quote from the film Dodgball. The premise being a cock flavoured lollipop wouldn't be particularly tasty and therefore is not much use.
The race to righteousness nowadays really pisses me off.
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Suppose I will get a ban for asking if they sell lollipops that resemble the 40 year old famous fit women...anyway if they do let me know.
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They sell cock-shaped lollipops in Skeggy
what flavour ?
I'll ask next time I go (it may not be in the next forty years)
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They will have orange for visitors from Ulster, kiwifruit for New Zealanders, greengage for Irish holiday makers and deadly nightshade for Small Heathens.
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I just cannot fathom what he has seen in Gabby's performances since his return that in any way suggest he is going to be of more use than a cock flavoured lollipop.
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homophobic comment -reported to moderators. It's 2017 fella such 'jokes' aren't appreciated by football fans and decent minded people .
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Lollipopophobic if anything.
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Well this is more fun
Bruce joked: “We’re hoping that Alli will agree a deal with us in the next 24 hours and Harry Kane is on our list as well.
“We’re close to getting Kane but Dele is playing hard to get. We’ll have to see what happens.”
Let's keep it light this is a football family
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Floaty like a Westwood corner.
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I don't understand how it can be construed as homophobic.
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Suppose I will get a ban for asking if they sell lollipops that resemble the 40 year old famous fit women...anyway if they do let me know.
In the early 70s a local TV weatherman in Philadelphia received a fanny-shaped cake for his birthday one year.
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If H and V ever gets light I will start following badminton.
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Footy - it's a quote from the film Dodgball. The premise being a cock flavoured lollipop wouldn't be particularly tasty and therefore is not much use.
The race to righteousness nowadays really pisses me off.
I love that film...and err quite often use that phrase....
Another favorite from a well known film "why so serious?"
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Footy - it's a quote from the film Dodgball. The premise being a cock flavoured lollipop wouldn't be particularly tasty and therefore is not much use.
The race to righteousness nowadays really pisses me off.
Well ok but there isn't need to Re hash outdated comedy films from 10 years ago which mistakenly then get taken for you being homophobic.
2017 these days fella . It's making you aware that slurs not appreciated. Anyway I felt it appropriate to flag as don't like reading such comments. You're entitled to feel how you like and I'm entitled to state comments indicating cock is less appealing than vagina is actually down to an individual sexual orientation. As well as actually providing oral stimulation.
Anyway we all move on it's 2017 just disappointed have to read such things.
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I just cannot fathom what he has seen in Gabby's performances since his return that in any way suggest he is going to be of more use than a cock flavoured lollipop.
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homophobic comment -reported to moderators. It's 2017 fella such 'jokes' aren't appreciated by football fans and decent minded people .
Post some more dribble about Jason Scotland and Dozy Altidore. We really appreciate that.
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Footy - it's a quote from the film Dodgball. The premise being a cock flavoured lollipop wouldn't be particularly tasty and therefore is not much use.
The race to righteousness nowadays really pisses me off.
Well ok but there isn't need to Re hash outdated comedy films from 10 years ago which mistakenly then get taken for you being homophobic.
2017 these days fella . It's making you aware that slurs not appreciated. Anyway I felt it appropriate to flag as don't like reading such comments. You're entitled to feel how you like and I'm entitled to state comments indicating cock is less appealing than vagina is actually down to an individual sexual orientation. As well as actually providing oral stimulation.
Anyway we all move on it's 2017 just disappointed have to read such things.
That's really what you take from that?
It actually means that if you want to suck on something that tastes like a cock then you might as well just suck a cock. It's misogynist if anything.
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Come on guys, it's 2017 and large parts of the internet have completely taken leave of their senses.
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Just got home after a busy day at work and as habit dictates check my favourite online fanzine and find, reassuringly, that all is still completely hatstand. It is a comfort in these troubled times that one can find an oasis of lunacy in a desert of humdrum. Keep up the good work.
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There are several teachers of English on here. They probably don't like the way you post footy but they don't complain to the moderators about you. A certain degree of give and take is required for intelligent debate.
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Fellatiist.
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I don't understand how it can be construed as homophobic.
I'll explain !!!
Cock flavour is apparently useless ! This is giving negative attitude to those who prefer cock .
Yet there are men (and women ) who like to suck dick.
So then a cock flavoured lollipop would actually be quite tasty thus inferring that Gabby agbonlahor is actually useful to the team !which poster Chris is not implying!
There for comments are of homophobic attitudes . However poster Chris has said he Re hashed it from a movie. (One in which actually irrelevant due to lance Armstrong appearance) and was clearly trying to make a joke and laugh but I flagged it up in interests of cock and vagina equality.
Some here are thinking i talking bollocks this and I would say tits.
That is all! happy 2017 -the way guardiola says it!
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Riiight.
That makes perfect sense now.
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I don't understand how it can be construed as homophobic.
I'll explain !!!
Cock flavour is apparently useless ! This is giving negative attitude to those who prefer cock .
Yet there are men (and women ) who like to suck dick.
So then a cock flavoured lollipop would actually be quite tasty thus inferring that Gabby agbonlahor is actually useful to the team !which poster Chris is not implying!
There for comments are of homophobic attitudes . However poster Chris has said he Re hashed it from a movie. (One in which actually irrelevant due to lance Armstrong appearance) and was clearly trying to make a joke and laugh but I flagged it up in interests of cock and vagina equality.
Some here are thinking i talking bollocks this and I would say tits.
That is all! happy 2017 -the way guardiola says it!
For some it could be tasty but they might as well have the real thing so the item is useless, it's pretty fucking simple.
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What's really mind blowing is the revelation that there are two ways to interpret a joke in Dodge Ball.
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Yes. Who knew a Ben Stiller PG movie could work on so many levels.
Nuanced, yet homophobic.
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There are several teachers of English on here. They probably don't like the way you post footy but they don't complain to the moderators about you. A certain degree of give and take is required for intelligent debate.
It's not my first language ..why are you getting personal and also speaking about other people liking me. I respect everyone on here as we all should do. I also aderehe to values and to compare these things is fantastical . I see what poster Chris was trying to imply . Can we move on. I'm prepared to always give a view that's why people may not like but I not someone who should be lambasted for campaigning. If anything should be applauded and actually referenced that it's a homophobic free footballing board. Are others going to stand up too and I'm not as careful with my writing and expression granted!
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I don't understand how it can be construed as homophobic.
I'll explain !!!
Cock flavour is apparently useless ! This is giving negative attitude to those who prefer cock .
Yet there are men (and women ) who like to suck dick.
So then a cock flavoured lollipop would actually be quite tasty thus inferring that Gabby agbonlahor is actually useful to the team !which poster Chris is not implying!
There for comments are of homophobic attitudes . However poster Chris has said he Re hashed it from a movie. (One in which actually irrelevant due to lance Armstrong appearance) and was clearly trying to make a joke and laugh but I flagged it up in interests of cock and vagina equality.
Some here are thinking i talking bollocks this and I would say tits.
That is all! happy 2017 -the way guardiola says it!
For some it could be tasty but they might as well have the real thing so the item is useless, it's pretty fucking simple.
No need for aggression.
Yeah are you saying vibrators are useless too?
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Well cock flavoured lollipops and talking bollocks footy are very close together if you think about it.
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How about this ends now and we keep this thread for the purpose intended?
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If English is not your first language I respectfully suggest you do not take offence by reading things into a communication in English that others find acceptable.
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All it takes for cock flavoured lollipops to triumph is for Jonjo Shelvey uberfans to do nothing.
Keep on fighting the good fight, brave skillzzz.
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Please just ban me from site and cancel account this I dont want to be involved especially as my reporting isn't even taken seriously.
Yes. I'm sorry this is right it's a football thread just very upset and disappointed whole thing. I hope the transfer window will be brighter.
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I don't understand how it can be construed as homophobic.
I'll explain !!!
Cock flavour is apparently useless ! This is giving negative attitude to those who prefer cock .
Yet there are men (and women ) who like to suck dick.
So then a cock flavoured lollipop would actually be quite tasty thus inferring that Gabby agbonlahor is actually useful to the team !which poster Chris is not implying!
There for comments are of homophobic attitudes . However poster Chris has said he Re hashed it from a movie. (One in which actually irrelevant due to lance Armstrong appearance) and was clearly trying to make a joke and laugh but I flagged it up in interests of cock and vagina equality.
Some here are thinking i talking bollocks this and I would say tits.
That is all! happy 2017 -the way guardiola says it!
For some it could be tasty but they might as well have the real thing so the item is useless, it's pretty fucking simple.
No need for aggression.
Yeah are you saying vibrators are useless too?
Yes, although Automatic Lover was quite catchy.
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Please just ban me from site and cancel account this I dont want to be involved especially as my reporting isn't even taken seriously.
Yes. I'm sorry this is right it's a football thread just very upset and disappointed whole thing. I hope the transfer window will be brighter.
You don't need banning. You've just misconstrued what a poster has said. It happens, I doubt anyone is foaming at the mouth in anger. Move on.
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Please just ban me from site and cancel account this I dont want to be involved especially as my reporting isn't even taken seriously.
Yes. I'm sorry this is right it's a football thread just very upset and disappointed whole thing. I hope the transfer window will be brighter.
Chill out footyskillz, you are with friends here. Just a little fun.
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If H and V ever gets light I will start following badminton.
Don't belittle badminton or you'll start me off ;-)
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Please just ban me from site and cancel account this I dont want to be involved especially as my reporting isn't even taken seriously.
Yes. I'm sorry this is right it's a football thread just very upset and disappointed whole thing. I hope the transfer window will be brighter.
Hugs hun x
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My cock tastes like a Cornish Strawberry Mivvi.
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My cock tastes like a Cornish Strawberry Mivvi.
How do you know? Pervert
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My cock tastes like a Cornish Strawberry Mivvi.
How do you know? Pervert
You're just jealous!
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He's right, of course. Slowly we're moving away from a society that sees minge-infused Chupa Chups as de rigueur.
So a football transfer thread should reflect this.
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My cock tastes like a Cornish Strawberry Mivvi.
How do you know? Pervert
When he told me about having ribs removed I didn't believe him and all. Egg on my face.
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My cock tastes like a Cornish Strawberry Mivvi.
How do you know? Pervert
When he told me about having ribs removed I didn't believe him and all. Egg on my face.
At least it was only egg...
I'm sorry, I'll go back to "Off Topic".
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Well cock flavoured lollipops and talking bollocks footy are very close together if you think about it.
What about lollipop flavoured cocks?
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These last few pages have made me realise just why I love reading this forum.
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
Agreed. It's nearly as bad as those tedious punathons.
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
Agreed. It's nearly as bad as those tedious punathons.
yes it is absolute cock and bull . in other news that Llori we had on loan from Liverpool is going to Reading for 3.5 mill weren't we going to pay 7 ?
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Didn't it turn out the L was an I?
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Bruce confirmed we're interested in Angela.
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
Agreed. It's nearly as bad as those tedious punathons.
yes it is absolute cock and bull . in other news that Llori we had on loan from Liverpool is going to Reading for 3.5 mill weren't we going to pay 7 ?
Was he the one who never played for us?
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
But when the Brexit thread gets taken over by a load of (admittedly quite interesting) speculation about West Ham and their charming owners, that's OK? ;)
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Oh yes, absolutely.
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
Agreed. It's nearly as bad as those tedious punathons.
yes it is absolute cock and bull . in other news that Llori we had on loan from Liverpool is going to Reading for 3.5 mill weren't we going to pay 7 ?
Was he the one who never played for us?
the very same
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
Agreed. It's nearly as bad as those tedious punathons.
yes it is absolute cock and bull . in other news that Llori we had on loan from Liverpool is going to Reading for 3.5 mill weren't we going to pay 7 ?
Was he the one who never played for us?
the very same
Had a look on wiki and no league appearances for the bin dippers and 30 league games since 2011
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Sky betting suspended on Villa signing Lansbury, after a "flurry" of bets apparently.
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Sky betting suspended on Villa signing Lansbury, after a "flurry" of bets apparently.
Irrelevant, she wrote.
Or so bookmakers would tell us!
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who we signed ?
joey BArton?
Hes a cock
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Sky betting suspended on Villa signing Lansbury, after a "flurry" of bets apparently.
Irrelevant, she wrote.
Or so bookmakers would tell us!
May be it's a distraction whilst the real deal is somewhere else ;)
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How about we just end it now, eh? Leave work at page 77 get home and expect some transfer news but reading this shite.
Agreed. It's nearly as bad as those tedious punathons.
Just cock a deaf 'un!
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Sky betting suspended on Villa signing Lansbury, after a "flurry" of bets apparently.
Irrelevant, she wrote.
Or so bookmakers would tell us!
May be it's a distraction whilst the real deal is somewhere else ;)
Spill the beans then??
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Footy - it's a quote from the film Dodgball. The premise being a cock flavoured lollipop wouldn't be particularly tasty and therefore is not much use.
The race to righteousness nowadays really pisses me off.
which mistakenly then get taken for you being homophobic.
Meaning just you.
Anyway a cock is less appealing than vagina - I wouldn't eat my Sunday dinner ahead of some possible action.
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Sorry to interrupt but... any transfer news?
Anyone?
Please.
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Sorry to interrupt but... any transfer news?
Anyone?
Please.
We signed a new goalkeeper.
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What about a bid for Leicester's Leonardo Ulloa? Seems a decent forward who scores a few goals...
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Thanks Dave, I was aware that was imminent. He spent some time at Doncaster a few years back and the Rovers fans I spoke to about him were full of praise.
Was he the keeper linked to us in the summer, but Dr Xia dismissed it saying why develop players for other teams at the expense of Gollini?
Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
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What about a bid for Leicester's Leonardo Ulloa? Seems a decent forward who scores a few goals...
Leicester don't want to let him go even though WBA and Hull are interested says the BBC
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There's a story in the Meaning Evil tonight saying that Bruce has now withdrawn Hepburn-Murphy from the squad on Sunday because he still hasn't signed his new contract.
Bruce sounds very peeved about it given that he included him against Cardiff as he had been informed he would sign.
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Bruce to let Jedi leave to 'free up funds' according to Mirror. Elphick could be off as well. Westwood is being awarded a new four year contract. Okay so I might have made that up.
If we let Elphick go we have no real cover for Baker or Chester. Richards is out of the picture (permanently hopefully) and Toner is not up to the mark
How do you know Toner is not up to the mark? May be he can provide some contrast to Baker's bold imprint?
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Bruce to let Jedi leave to 'free up funds' according to Mirror. Elphick could be off as well. Westwood is being awarded a new four year contract. Okay so I might have made that up.
If we let Elphick go we have no real cover for Baker or Chester. Richards is out of the picture (permanently hopefully) and Toner is not up to the mark
How do you know Toner is not up to the mark? May be he can provide some contrast to Baker's bold imprint?
Walsall fans were glad to see the back of him
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If we get Lansbury and Ulloa, with Johnstone already added, then we have strengthened the spine fairly well.
I thought we had done that in the summer with Gollini,Elphick,Jedi and Kodjia/McCormack. Time will tell how they work out.
For me we still need another CM and right back, although with midfield I think we need to settle on if we are having a 2 or 3 man midfield. Jedinak as the deep lying central player with Lansbury and someone else in front would be pretty solid but also creative. In front of them Ulloa up top with Kodjia and Adomah/Grealish wide should be pretty special and get plenty of goals.
The midfield is a worry though as we already have Tish,Westwood and Gardner so will one of them leave (Westwood please!) to free up a move for one more.
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This Lansbury chap we might sign, is he any good?
I haven't seen him play.
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Bruce to let Jedi leave to 'free up funds' according to Mirror. Elphick could be off as well. Westwood is being awarded a new four year contract. Okay so I might have made that up.
If we let Elphick go we have no real cover for Baker or Chester. Richards is out of the picture (permanently hopefully) and Toner is not up to the mark
How do you know Toner is not up to the mark? May be he can provide some contrast to Baker's bold imprint?
Walsall fans were glad to see the back of him
In the appearances he made for us last season I thought he played very well.
I was very surprised we let him go in the first place.
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Forest fans were sad to see the back of Gardner so not sure how reliable a measure that is.
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Would be chuffed with Lansbury. When he played against us at Villa Park I thought we should sign him then. He's got a lot of experience in this division, as captain, has played well with Gardner before and scores goals from midfield.
I don't know too much about him but I know he's very technically gifted from his time at Arsenal and their supporters were a little peeved when he left.
He's the right profile anyway. But then again, so was Elphick...
I'd still be after another CM. Hourihane is the obvious one, those two infront of Jed with 1 of Adomah/Jack and Kodj off a new goal-scoring, mobile front-man who can hold the ball up would be ideal. Add in a right-back who can get up the pitch and deliver a ball (Jenkinson?) and we'd be much better off.
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The Times is saying that Leicester City are prepared to sell Jeff Schlupp , a player we have been linked with in the past, would be an excellent aquisition, IMO . Only 23 , twice Young Player of the Year , Left Winger or Left Back, big, fast... (very fast !) and adaptable. That said, he was,nt included in the Ghana squad for the ANC , maybe because of a lack of playing times at Leics. Wonder if they might consider letting that young lad from Tamworth, Mark something-or-other , come on loan. ........................Godzvilla!
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I like Schlupp but weren't Albion sniffing around. Unfortunately being mid-table in the Championship means we'll miss out on this type of player more often than not.
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I think it's a safe bet that Alex Bruce will come in for Elphick if he is let go.
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Looks like Lansbury is pushing for move, he's "not in the right frame of mind" to play for Forest.
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In Nottingham market the substantial number of Forest fans consider they are getting the better of a Lansbury/Gardner swap deal.
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Deal agreed, apparently, but there's trouble between current and new owners ..............Godzvilla!
"Henri Lansbury has agreed personal terms to join Aston Villa but the stumbling block is the potential new Nottingham Forest owners, according to a report.
The Sun claims a deal to sell the playmaker has been agreed by current owner Fawaz Al Hasawi but new American owners led by John Jay Moores, “have thrown a spanner in the works with advanced talks to sell Lansbury to local rivals Derby”.
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Looks like Lansbury is pushing for move, he's "not in the right frame of mind" to play for Forest.
I hate it when players say that publicly. It's proper pish!
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Would be chuffed with Lansbury. When he played against us at Villa Park I thought we should sign him then. He's got a lot of experience in this division, as captain, has played well with Gardner before and scores goals from midfield.
I don't know too much about him but I know he's very technically gifted from his time at Arsenal and their supporters were a little peeved when he left.
He's the right profile anyway. But then again, so was Elphick...
I'd still be after another CM. Hourihane is the obvious one, those two infront of Jed with 1 of Adomah/Jack and Kodj off a new goal-scoring, mobile front-man who can hold the ball up would be ideal. Add in a right-back who can get up the pitch and deliver a ball (Jenkinson?) and we'd be much better off.
Technically Lansbury is fine and has a decent goalscoring record from midfield which would be a big bonus for us.
Not sure he is the athlete we need in midfield but maybe Tshibola will be back in favour after his showing at Cardiff.
Bacuna despite his best efforts is not a centre midfielder at all really, Westwood and Gardner are both too slow and soft.
id prefer to see us getting back to three in the middle with Jedinak, Tshibola and a newbie, particularly away from home
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Looks like Lansbury is pushing for move, he's "not in the right frame of mind" to play for Forest.
Yeah but who is?
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Deal agreed, apparently, but there's trouble between current and new owners ..............Godzvilla!
"Henri Lansbury has agreed personal terms to join Aston Villa but the stumbling block is the potential new Nottingham Forest owners, according to a report.
The Sun claims a deal to sell the playmaker has been agreed by current owner Fawaz Al Hasawi but new American owners led by John Jay Moores, “have thrown a spanner in the works with advanced talks to sell Lansbury to local rivals Derby”.
It wouldn't be the first time an American has fucked us.
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If a player doesn't want a transfer to a club then he doesn't have to move, so if Lansbury prefers Villa over Derby then surely the new owner can't do much about it?
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If you read the whole story the present owner appears to be trying to explain to the potential new owner the rivalry that exists between Forest and Derby and how such a transfer will go down with the fans but the potential new owners aren't listening (now then where have we heard that before). Apparently it is a potential takeover dealbreaker. The manager of Forest has now said they have had a 'big, big offer' for Lansbury and that it is the manager who has said he isn't in the right frame of mind to play.
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In Nottingham market the substantial number of Forest fans consider they are getting the better of a Lansbury/Gardner swap deal.
It's a brilliant deal for them. I would argue they are completely screwing us getting far the better player in the deal. Those shifty cunning bastards from Nottingham.
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Sorry folks, have I missed something (been out most of the day)? Is it a definite Gardner/Lansbury swap plus cash deal?
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Sorry folks, have I missed something (been out most of the day)? Is it a definite Gardner/Lansbury swap plus cash deal?
Nothing confirmed mate...........
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Pulis has said Craig Gardner would be allowed to leave (being linked on the BBC with the team he's always supported) apparently http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38530375
Sadly he's still better than anything we've currently got.
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One Gards is enough thanks, and ours is better-looking.
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Apparently Blose are interested in taking him back from Baggies. Didn't Bruce have him at Sunderland?
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Sorry folks, have I missed something (been out most of the day)? Is it a definite Gardner/Lansbury swap plus cash deal?
Nothing confirmed mate...........
Ta.
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Apparently Blose are interested in taking him back from Baggies. Didn't Bruce have him at Sunderland?
Wasn't it Bruce who signed him for them from us, too?
Edit:
Craig Gardner. to save scrolling back
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Lights blue touchpaper and stands well back:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/06/aston-villa-manager-steve-bruce-risks-upsetting-fans-considers/
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I can't stand the snake bastard.
But, beggars can't be choosers, and he is infinitely better than anything we have in midfield now.
Do it.
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That's not going to happen is it, way too good to slum it in the championship.
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Pulis has said Craig Gardner would be allowed to leave (being linked on the BBC with the team he's always supported) apparently http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38530375
Sadly he's still better than anything we've currently got.
Would he become a lifelong Villa fan if he signed for us?
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Delph is c*** of the highest order and would immediately be the very best midfielder in the division.
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I would have him back in a heartbeat. Better than what we have.
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I can't stand the snake bastard.
But, beggars can't be choosers, and he is infinitely better than anything we have in midfield now.
Do it.
This.
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If we sign Delph I have no doubt that Milner, Young, Barry, and Benteke will also return. Probably Cahill too.
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I would have him back in a heartbeat. Better than what we have.
Agree.
Great player.
Yes, he certainly misjudged what would happen.
Anyway, I blame Tom Fox for the cock up
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Fabian will be back soon.....!
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I'd have him back, I want Villa to win and he'd help that.
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I'd carry the ****** back from Manchester on my shoulders, or at least coiled around them.
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That's not going to happen is it, way too good to slum it in the championship.
Can't see it either. There will definitely be takers in the top flight if he is available.
Probably the least popular players with our fans, but a midfield of Gardner Snr and Delph would be a massive upgrade on what we currently have.
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Probably won't happen but I'd have Delph back in a heartbeat. Let bygones be bygones and all that. The club was an absolute joke back then and I don't blame him jumping ship even though it felt like a kick in the teeth after him pledging his future to the club.
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Lights blue touchpaper and stands well back:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/06/aston-villa-manager-steve-bruce-risks-upsetting-fans-considers/
Bloody hell, mentions Tom Cleverley as well!
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If Delph is available there would be plenty of Premier League clubs interested.
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Lights blue touchpaper and stands well back:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/06/aston-villa-manager-steve-bruce-risks-upsetting-fans-considers/
Bloody hell, mentions Tom Cleverley as well!
Slipping Cleverley's name into the story reminds of this...
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I'd genuinely rather stay down than go up having re-signed Delph.
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That's ridiculous.
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That's ridiculous.
Which one? The article or TaxDodger's comment?
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I hope Delph returns. It's a mercenary game these days. We need his drive and quality in the midfield.
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Delph and Cleverly running in front of Jedinak would make us pretty impressive. Grealish and McCormack would appreciate players like them too, as would Kodjia. It would be sensational. Coming back and getting us up would atone for what went before too, which was never fully explained. Much as I had a go at the time, Pelligrini did suggest it was Villa that forced the move and not snake man. Although it's never going to happen.
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That's ridiculous.
Which one? The article or TaxDodger's comment?
The comment.
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I'd genuinely rather stay down than go up having re-signed Delph.
As said, ridiculous.
Villa > Delph
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I'd genuinely rather stay down than go up having re-signed Delph.
Why?
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Haha, from the hodge-snake to fantasy-hero in peoples minds so quickly! Who knows if he is even the same player, as he has actually played very much the past 18 months. Everton or, er, West Ham is my guess.
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Haha, from the hodge-snake to fantasy-hero in peoples minds so quickly! Who knows if he is even the same player, as he has actually played very much the past 18 months. Everton or, er, West Ham is my guess.
He could be 62 with a new hip and he'd still be quicker than Gardner.
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Haha, from the hodge-snake to fantasy-hero in peoples minds so quickly! Who knows if he is even the same player, as he has actually played very much the past 18 months. Everton or, er, West Ham is my guess.
He could be 62 with a new hip and he'd still be quicker than Gardner.
Haha! As would Hodge himself.
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As much as it pains me to say it delph and cleverly will have much better offers
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Article is BS, we are not trying to get Delph back
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Delph is a grade A Cnut. I hope Man City insult him with a move to the Championship. I also hope we are that team.
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Yep my bullshite detector is at 11
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I cannot see Delph coming back, or 6 game Tom.
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I'd genuinely rather stay down than go up having re-signed Delph.
Why?
Because I believe we should at least attempt to maintain some form of principles. He showed the club an enormous amount of disrespect. I don't expect all our players to be Mother Theresa (although she'd probably get into our midfield), but when a player has directly violated our club in such a way I don't believe he deserves to represent our club again. Because of his actions last Summer Fabian Delph is beneath representing Aston Villa, regardless of his ability.
I realise there are little room for principles in modern football, but still. I couldn't bring myself to cheer a goal he scored or applaud him for an assist or tackle. I also realise this is a moot point as there is no way we will be re-signing Fabian Delph.
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He's just come on for Man City. He's cup tied...
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Bollocks @ being cup tied ... what we gonna do now without Delph for the Semi Final .... ouch on how many levels is that just not gonna happen !!!
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i'l be helping Leeb carry him back on our shoulders
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Oh dear it's 5.
Jst hope it's not us on the wrong end of a similar result on Sunday.
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I'd genuinely rather stay down than go up having re-signed Delph.
Why?
Because I believe we should at least attempt to maintain some form of principles. He showed the club an enormous amount of disrespect. I don't expect all our players to be Mother Theresa (although she'd probably get into our midfield), but when a player has directly violated our club in such a way I don't believe he deserves to represent our club again. Because of his actions last Summer Fabian Delph is beneath representing Aston Villa, regardless of his ability.
I realise there are little room for principles in modern football, but still. I couldn't bring myself to cheer a goal he scored or applaud him for an assist or tackle. I also realise this is a moot point as there is no way we will be re-signing Fabian Delph.
Same here, Im one of many on here who would rather not sign players, however good they are, because of their off field behaviour. Delph is an odious snake.
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Oh dear it's 5.
Jst hope it's not us on the wrong end of a similar result on Sunday.
Sorry, wrong thread.
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Principles are fine. But putting it simply if we want to get out of this hole of a league guys like Delph would make the difference so I say yes. Play the game like anybody else. I hate the guy but I don't think there are any principles left anyway.
Football is full of mercenary snakes anyway. Loyalty? Most players are waiting for a better deal or a better club. They just handle it better than our ex skipper.
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At the end of the day SB doesn't have any axe to grind with Delph. SB would look at it from a purely football perspective.
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At the end of the day SB doesn't have any axe to grind with Delph. SB would look at it from a purely football perspective.
Exactly.
He'd be a means to an end.
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I'd genuinely rather stay down than go up having re-signed Delph.
Why?
Because I believe we should at least attempt to maintain some form of principles. He showed the club an enormous amount of disrespect. I don't expect all our players to be Mother Theresa (although she'd probably get into our midfield), but when a player has directly violated our club in such a way I don't believe he deserves to represent our club again. Because of his actions last Summer Fabian Delph is beneath representing Aston Villa, regardless of his ability.
I realise there are little room for principles in modern football, but still. I couldn't bring myself to cheer a goal he scored or applaud him for an assist or tackle. I also realise this is a moot point as there is no way we will be re-signing Fabian Delph.
But to want to stay down in preference to making a success of the season? I'd prefer success.
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Plus, with Fox and Co in charge at the time it's difficult to know who to pushed that move.
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That's not going to happen is it, way too good to slum it in the championship.
Hasn't played in ages though and we can't afford to have another non playing high earner. However Delph, is at his best, a mile better than any other player we have and would fill a huge hole in our squad on the left side of a midfield three. It's a no brainer if he were interested.
Not so sure re Cleverley, Tiger Tim got him playing very well for a while on the right of a midfield three but it always felt temporary, he was anonymous under Lambert. Going nowhere at Everton though and maybe Bruce knows him through his Man Utd connections. Wouldn't mind giving Tshibola a chance to see if he could be that player.
Only missing the link to Ashley Young now.
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From Delph's perspective, would you go to one of the many top flight clubs around Europe who'd want you, or go to a mid-table second division outfit whose fans all think you're a c-word?
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I love quizzes. Is it b?
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I love quizzes. Is it b?
Hey, there are no right or wrong answers. It's just something to pop into your mental wok to see if it stir-fries.
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I'd genuinely rather stay down than go up having re-signed Delph.
Why?
Because I believe we should at least attempt to maintain some form of principles. He showed the club an enormous amount of disrespect. I don't expect all our players to be Mother Theresa (although she'd probably get into our midfield), but when a player has directly violated our club in such a way I don't believe he deserves to represent our club again. Because of his actions last Summer Fabian Delph is beneath representing Aston Villa, regardless of his ability.
I realise there are little room for principles in modern football, but still. I couldn't bring myself to cheer a goal he scored or applaud him for an assist or tackle. I also realise this is a moot point as there is no way we will be re-signing Fabian Delph.
Bollocks
He didn't have to sign a new contract when Lambert was still manager but he did.
He left for £8m, but could've left for free if he'd wanted to.
I blame Tom Fox
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Delphi would be perfect for us. Will never happen though, that bridge is well and truly burnt.
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From Delph's perspective, would you go to one of the many top flight clubs around Europe who'd want you, or go to a mid-table second division outfit whose fans all think you're a c-word?
But we are HIS club. We are in his heart. He said so!
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His babby can grow up a Brummie or a Manc. That's motivation enough.
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I'd be amazed if D*lph came back.
You'd think most of the prem bottom half would be in for him and it just wouldn't really be the same as he well and truly burnt his bridges with the fanbase when he left.
Don't think Cleverley would be great either but he might offer a goal threat in this divison given he scored a couple towards the end of his time here. A very underwhelming player though.
James and Lansbury are more realistic...is Hourihane link died down then?
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Delph ? ::)
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Much or Bruce's success in the past has been based on buying lesser known foreign players and them hitting it off. Surprised we haven't been linked with anybody outside UK.
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Much or Bruce's success in the past has been based on buying lesser known foreign players and them hitting it off. Surprised we haven't been linked with anybody outside UK.
Amr Zaki probably wouldn't be any worse than Gabby.
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His babby can grow up a Brummie or a Manc. That's motivation enough.
Nice sentiment, Percy, but the reality is that his babby will grow up in the millionaire belt of rural Cheshire or its equivalent down here in North Warwickshire or the Cotswolds. That is if (s)he does not spend most of their young life in an expensive boarding school. If, many years from now you asked him/her about The Wood, they would tell you about St John's Wood rather than the Chelmsley variant.
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There's more chance of the turd I bombed out this morning coming back to life, swimming back into my bog, jumping out, catching the bus to where I work and forcibly crawling back inside my jacksy tomorrow than Fabian Delph returning to Villa.
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There's more chance of the turd I bombed out this morning coming back to life, swimming back into my bog, jumping out, catching the bus to where I work and forcibly crawling back inside my jacksy tomorrow than Fabian Delph returning to Villa.
Classic.
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There's more chance of the turd I bombed out this morning coming back to life, swimming back into my bog, jumping out, catching the bus to where I work and forcibly crawling back inside my jacksy tomorrow than Fabian Delph returning to Villa.
Classic.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/fc/fc2fca5cc8833d35c92822a6af386914480a4e7c2411a6329d9742eb6bc89110.jpg)
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of all the players in the world why would we want these two back.
Snake burnt his bridges and must have more lucrative options, ermm, Man city reserves.
Cleverlly did fuck all, but did in fairness, score a couple of goals for tactics Tim.
The min his loan was up, he was off.
More options than these two please, probably made up bullshit anyway.
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There's more chance of the turd I bombed out this morning coming back to life, swimming back into my bog, jumping out, catching the bus to where I work and forcibly crawling back inside my jacksy tomorrow than Fabian Delph returning to Villa.
You can't argue with that.
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Nursery saying Angela should sign next week. £3.5 million and has said his goodbyes on Friday.
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There's more chance of the turd I bombed out this morning coming back to life, swimming back into my bog, jumping out, catching the bus to where I work and forcibly crawling back inside my jacksy tomorrow than Fabian Delph returning to Villa.
You can't argue with that.
I went to see Rogue One last night. Fucking rubbish. I'd much rather watch this Supertom poo thing!
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There's more chance of the turd I bombed out this morning coming back to life, swimming back into my bog, jumping out, catching the bus to where I work and forcibly crawling back inside my jacksy tomorrow than Fabian Delph returning to Villa.
Is winning the H&V POTYA allowed when its only early January ?
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Nursery saying Angela should sign next week. £3.5 million and has said his goodbyes on Friday.
Who?
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Cleverley would walk into our team
Who is Angela?
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Cleverley would walk into our team
Who is Angela?
I think Lansbury?
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Nursery saying Angela should sign next week. £3.5 million and has said his goodbyes on Friday.
I'm kinda torn on calling him Angela - part of me thinks it's clever but another part is cringing.
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I thought it was some Brazilian number 10
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We called Stan Lynn Vera and it never held back his charge into the Villa Hall of Fame.
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Nursery saying Angela should sign next week. £3.5 million and has said his goodbyes on Friday.
I'm kinda torn on calling him Angela - part of me thinks it's clever but another part is cringing.
Angela should be less embarrassing than being an Englishman called "Henri". The big southern jessy.
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Cleverley would walk into our team
Who is Angela?
I think Lansbury?
Of course, Midfielder she Wrote.
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Cleverley would walk into our team
Who is Angela?
I think Lansbury?
Cue murder she wrote puns
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Lansbury has had enough of bobbing along, bobbing along on the bottom of the league.
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"Just heard the stumbling block for the Henri Lansbury deal is Westwood moving the other way. We've offered £3m plus Westwood they've asked for just £3m.........."
Superb
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Cleverley would walk into our team
Who is Angela?
...and would continue to walk through every game. Not much better than Westwood or Gardner-at least the latter runs around.
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We should sign Cleverely. We really need more midfielders that have a few good games a season and are anonymous the rest of the time.
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It always amazes me with Villa how we have brought in players that play in a certain style and then put them in a side that plays completely differently.
We then wonder why players do not perform.
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Hang on
Delph is coming back??
I hope that's true, but he wont be able to play in the 4th round of the cup :(
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A big no to 6 game Tom.
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I agree
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Yes to Cleverley from me (even though it's probably not gonna happen). He has his critics but he's still easily way better than crap like Westwood and Gardner.
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Being better than those two idiots isn't exactly difficult.
Write should be aiming to have the best midfielders in the division if we are going to get promoted. Cleverly might be if he reproduced the form he showed during our brief upsurge under Sherwood. If he played like he did for the rest of his Villa career, he'd be nothing special.
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Tom Cleverly is almost, I say almost as anonymous as Gardwood. We need more influential players in the side.
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No to Delph and Cleverly for me.
Delph - too much to repair the damage that was done over his leaving. In addition to that, for all his drive, he didn't actually create chances or score goals.
Cleverly - doesn't take any responsibility on the ball and is the typical square pass merchant.
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I think Cleverley now gets the award for the worst ever former Villa player to be suggested for a return in the history of this message board. A great steaming pile of horse shit of a 'player', who will disappear up his own arsehole over the next few years.
Delph would be great from a playing point of view but I'd have mixed feelings. Wouldn't happen though, too much ego to drop down a division at his age, and too controversial a signing for Xia to sanction.
Lansbury would be really good I think, especially at that price.
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Being better than those two idiots isn't exactly difficult.
Write should be aiming to have the best midfielders in the division if we are going to get promoted. Cleverly might be if he reproduced the form he showed during our brief upsurge under Sherwood. If he played like he did for the rest of his Villa career, he'd be nothing special.
I'd say he'd be one of the best midfielders in the Championship if he signed for us, but let's face it he's probably not going to drop down a league. Also I don't agree with the accepted belief on here that Cleverley was poor in his spell at Villa. I thought he was pretty decent, and when he and Delph left we finally dropped out of the PL. They were two of the very few PL standard players we had at the club and we let them go.
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Loftus-Cheek on loan might be a smart move, alongside Jedi and Ange.
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It always amazes me with Villa how we have brought in players that play in a certain style and then put them in a side that plays completely differently.
We then wonder why players do not perform.
Good point. We've been doing it you years now.
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Not fussed on Cleverley but he was a lot better once Sherwood pushed him further upfield into a more attacking midfield type role. Up to that point he was invisible.
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Please can we have a rumour, however small, that we are signing Will Hughes from Derby? Cash plus player deal to include Westwood, Gardner, Kozak, Richards, Cissoko, Bunn and Elphick?
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Being better than those two idiots isn't exactly difficult.
Write should be aiming to have the best midfielders in the division if we are going to get promoted. Cleverly might be if he reproduced the form he showed during our brief upsurge under Sherwood. If he played like he did for the rest of his Villa career, he'd be nothing special.
I'd say he'd be one of the best midfielders in the Championship if he signed for us, but let's face it he's probably not going to drop down a league. Also I don't agree with the accepted belief on here that Cleverley was poor in his spell at Villa. I thought he was pretty decent, and when he and Delph left we finally dropped out of the PL. They were two of the very few PL standard players we had at the club and we let them go.
We didn't let Cleverly go, he was never our player.
I thought he was mostly shite and our relegation was nothing to do with his departure.
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Lansbury has had enough of bobbing along, bobbing along on the bottom of the league.
Ha Ha! I got it at least.
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Lights blue touchpaper and stands well back:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/06/aston-villa-manager-steve-bruce-risks-upsetting-fans-considers/
I have placed my season cards in an envelope annotated a B6 address on it ready to be sealed, stamped and posted.
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They will still include you in the attendance figures aftab. They include my brother who has not been to a Villa game since 1957. You don't escape their clutches that easily.
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Please can we have a rumour, however small, that we are signing Will Hughes from Derby? Cash plus player deal to include Westwood, Gardner, Kozak, Richards, Cissoko, Bunn and Elphick?
blimey. when you look at that set of players you can see why he aint that good.
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They will still include you in the attendance figures aftab. They include my brother who has not been to a Villa game since 1957. You don't escape their clutches that easily.
Bugger! In that case I must think of another way to show my disgust if I see the snake on the pitch?
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Hissing would be good.
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I'd have Delph back in a heart beat. Good player. But forget Cleverley. Terrible, anonymous plodder on midfield. No drive, no presence, no influence. Just what we don't want.
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I'd have Delph back in a heart beat. Good player. But forget Cleverley. Terrible, anonymous plodder on midfield. No drive, no presence, no influence. Just what we don't want.
that could also describe westwood.
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I'd have Delph back. I'd be delighted in fact, he would be fantastic for us.
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Delph is a ball bag, keep him away from here the shite hawk.
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Delph (free of injury) is exactly the type of (quality) player we need to help drag us out of this division.
I would put decent money on him not coming back.
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Has there been a player that has shafted his club and then gone back and been successful?
I wouldn't risk it. Fuck the fucker.
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Agree with the point that delph is precisely the player we are missing in midfield.
Also agree he won't come back in a million years.
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He is the type of player we have missed, he wont be returning anytime soon, but we desperately need a midfielder who can get beyond the forwards.
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That one with the big nose playing for Amiens looked useful.
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We have been linked with McCarthy at Everton today for £13m, probably nonsense but I think it would be good signing (far better than Cleverly anyway if we take someone from Everton). Not sure if he played under Bruce at Wigan or if he joined after Bruce left.
I heard that it was Villa that forced Delph to make the move to Man City (my Uncle works for a City player and gets to meet a fair few of their squad). So not sure he is as much of snake as most think, I would like to see him come back and think he would do well.
Its looking like we will be getting at least two in midfield anyway. Lansbury and one more, and we seem to be being linked with pretty decent quality (Delph, Cleverly, McCarthy) so happy with that.
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
Anyone know the Greek for 'he's yours'?
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
They must have lost their marbles.
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We have been linked with McCarthy at Everton today for £13m, probably nonsense but I think it would be good signing (far better than Cleverly anyway if we take someone from Everton). Not sure if he played under Bruce at Wigan or if he joined after Bruce left.
I heard that it was Villa that forced Delph to make the move to Man City (my Uncle works for a City player and gets to meet a fair few of their squad). So not sure he is as much of snake as most think, I would like to see him come back and think he would do well.
Its looking like we will be getting at least two in midfield anyway. Lansbury and one more, and we seem to be being linked with pretty decent quality (Delph, Cleverly, McCarthy) so happy with that.
Linked where? McCarthy would massively improve our midfield.
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McCarthy would be a big step up but I'm sure he'd have better offers?
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
They must have lost their marbles.
I hope he is donner go
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
They must have lost their marbles.
I hope he is donner go
shhheeessssshhh
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Ali Shishokho's would be an amazing name of any prospective Greek take away should it not work out over there. No brainer for him really
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
They must have lost their marbles.
I hope he is donner go
shhheeessssshhh
Jesus Christ, more tedious puns. What the Hellas gone wrong here?
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
They must have lost their marbles.
I hope he is donner go
shhheeessssshhh
Jesus Christ, more tedious puns. What the Hellas gone wrong here?
Enough of the Greek puns! Anyway, we should buy Rhodes. Or would he Kos too much?
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!
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I love Greek
Edit: ah fuck wrong website
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Swapping him for an old Greek bivouac. It's an ex-Zorba-tent deal.
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Imagine having a midfield with Jedinak, McCarthy and Landsbury in it. Fight, desire and a few goals. After the backing for RDM I hope Bruce gets backed for 2-3 of his top targets. Brady with those 2 and a cheap defender to cover right back would make us massively stronger.
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Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!
And - as in the old tale of the Trojan horse - of gifts bearing Greeks.
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Imagine having a midfield with Jedinak, McCarthy and Landsbury in it. Fight, desire and a few goals. After the backing for RDM I hope Bruce gets backed for 2-3 of his top targets. Brady with those 2 and a cheap defender to cover right back would make us massively stronger.
If you're relying on jedinak you may want to think again.... No pace at all, passing ain't great, can only play 2 out of 3 games ( short of fitness?)....everyone js saying our midfield should be Jedinak + 2........just play another defender.....if we're organising our midfield around him were f**ed
Break the bank and get Barry or Delph back
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Lansbury and McCarthy with Jenkinson on loan would be a cracking bit of business, and would improve us tenfold.
Think McCarthy will end up at Celtic though.
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Imagine having a midfield with Jedinak, McCarthy and Landsbury in it. Fight, desire and a few goals. After the backing for RDM I hope Bruce gets backed for 2-3 of his top targets. Brady with those 2 and a cheap defender to cover right back would make us massively stronger.
If you're relying on jedinak you may want to think again.... No pace at all, passing ain't great, can only play 2 out of 3 games ( short of fitness?)....everyone js saying our midfield should be Jedinak + 2........just play another defender.....if we're organising our midfield around him were f**ed
Break the bank and get Barry or Delph back
Barry has just signed a new contract at Everton. Why would he change his mind within a month to drop down to the Championship?
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How old is Barry 35-36 not one for the future then.
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he must be into three figures by now. Move on.
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You should have to donate to the site 50 pence per player everytime you mention re-signing Ashley Young, Milner, Barry or Marlon Harewood.
Players of those quality aren't coming back.
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Could be wrong there. I am sure I saw Marlon Harewood directing cars into the Bevington Rd car park. Two hit the gateposts so it must have been him.
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Greek side Olympiacos are weighing up a January move for Aston Villa full-back Aly Cissokho, according to a report.
They must have lost their marbles.
Excellent!
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Could be wrong there. I am sure I saw Marlon Harewood directing cars into the Bevington Rd car park. Two hit the gateposts so it must have been him.
Brilliant Brian.
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We have been linked with McCarthy at Everton today for £13m, probably nonsense but I think it would be good signing (far better than Cleverly anyway if we take someone from Everton). Not sure if he played under Bruce at Wigan or if he joined after Bruce left.
I heard that it was Villa that forced Delph to make the move to Man City (my Uncle works for a City player and gets to meet a fair few of their squad). So not sure he is as much of snake as most think, I would like to see him come back and think he would do well.
Its looking like we will be getting at least two in midfield anyway. Lansbury and one more, and we seem to be being linked with pretty decent quality (Delph, Cleverly, McCarthy) so happy with that.
If that's true about Delph it should be made public knowledge because it's a game changer. Absolutely the kind of player we need and i'd welcome him back in a heartbeat. I suspect that he will have offers from premier league clubs so it's a long shot.
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We have been linked with McCarthy at Everton today for £13m, probably nonsense but I think it would be good signing (far better than Cleverly anyway if we take someone from Everton). Not sure if he played under Bruce at Wigan or if he joined after Bruce left.
I heard that it was Villa that forced Delph to make the move to Man City (my Uncle works for a City player and gets to meet a fair few of their squad). So not sure he is as much of snake as most think, I would like to see him come back and think he would do well.
Its looking like we will be getting at least two in midfield anyway. Lansbury and one more, and we seem to be being linked with pretty decent quality (Delph, Cleverly, McCarthy) so happy with that.
If that's true about Delph it should be made public knowledge because it's a game changer. Absolutely the kind of player we need and i'd welcome him back in a heartbeat. I suspect that he will have offers from premier league clubs so it's a long shot.
Pelligrini pretty much confirmed it was us that took the cash and forced the move.
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if so Delph should have been explicit about it, given the tsunami of abuse he has been subjected - me included.
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The more you look at the Delph debacle the more you think you see him being set up to take the flak.
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We have been linked with McCarthy at Everton today for £13m, probably nonsense but I think it would be good signing (far better than Cleverly anyway if we take someone from Everton). Not sure if he played under Bruce at Wigan or if he joined after Bruce left.
I heard that it was Villa that forced Delph to make the move to Man City (my Uncle works for a City player and gets to meet a fair few of their squad). So not sure he is as much of snake as most think, I would like to see him come back and think he would do well.
Its looking like we will be getting at least two in midfield anyway. Lansbury and one more, and we seem to be being linked with pretty decent quality (Delph, Cleverly, McCarthy) so happy with that.
If that's true about Delph it should be made public knowledge because it's a game changer. Absolutely the kind of player we need and i'd welcome him back in a heartbeat. I suspect that he will have offers from premier league clubs so it's a long shot.
Pelligrini pretty much confirmed it was us that took the cash and forced the move.
Well he would say that, wouldn't he.
I remember Delph's statement about after he left, it was not one of a man who had been forced to leave. I could just about believe we might have looked to cash in if the fee had been £20m but £8m for an England regular at the time was peanuts. It was clearly in Man City's interests to put a positive spin on things but i just don't buy it.
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Delph being forced out has got to be complete bull. He would have certainly piped up about it, or at least hinted.
Anyhoo....we move on, any realistic rumors today? I see Hogan is being linked to west ham, I like him a lot.
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We have been linked with McCarthy at Everton today for £13m, probably nonsense but I think it would be good signing (far better than Cleverly anyway if we take someone from Everton). Not sure if he played under Bruce at Wigan or if he joined after Bruce left.
I heard that it was Villa that forced Delph to make the move to Man City (my Uncle works for a City player and gets to meet a fair few of their squad). So not sure he is as much of snake as most think, I would like to see him come back and think he would do well.
Its looking like we will be getting at least two in midfield anyway. Lansbury and one more, and we seem to be being linked with pretty decent quality (Delph, Cleverly, McCarthy) so happy with that.
If that's true about Delph it should be made public knowledge because it's a game changer. Absolutely the kind of player we need and i'd welcome him back in a heartbeat. I suspect that he will have offers from premier league clubs so it's a long shot.
Pelligrini pretty much confirmed it was us that took the cash and forced the move.
Well he would say that, wouldn't he.
I remember Delph's statement about after he left, it was not one of a man who had been forced to leave. I could just about believe we might have looked to cash in if the fee had been £20m but £8m for an England regular at the time was peanuts. It was clearly in Man City's interests to put a positive spin on things but i just don't buy it.
Me neither. Fuck Man City, the greedy rich bastards.
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At Villa, Delph was playing and really improving which got him into the England squad. At City, he rarely plays and has faded from the international scene, but is a lot richer. He needs to play week in week out to be recognised again.
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Delph being forced out has got to be complete bull. He would have certainly piped up about it, or at least hinted.
Anyhoo....we move on, any realistic rumors today? I see Hogan is being linked to west ham, I like him a lot.
But that's not true. If a club accepts an offer for a player then that player isn't going to want to stay is he? And let's not forget the abject state that the club was in off the field. The club had allowed the ridiculously low buy out clause in his contract in the first place. All im saying is if he is not the villain of the piece as has been portrayed we should know as it would make all the difference.
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Delph being forced out has got to be complete bull. He would have certainly piped up about it, or at least hinted.
Anyhoo....we move on, any realistic rumors today? I see Hogan is being linked to west ham, I like him a lot.
But that's not true. If a club accepts an offer for a player then that player isn't going to want to stay is he? And let's not forget the abject state that the club was in off the field. The club had allowed the ridiculously low buy out clause in his contract in the first place. All im saying is if he is not the villain of the piece as has been portrayed we should know as it would make all the difference.
On the other hand, he should never have come out and said he was happy to stay when he was quite clearly interested in another club.
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At Villa, Delph was playing and really improving which got him into the England squad. At City, he rarely plays and has faded from the international scene, but is a lot richer. He needs to play week in week out to be recognised again.
The thing is I didn't blame Delph for wanting to go to Citeh. Yes he's ended up out of the side, but I imagine he had the belief he could make it there. It was fair enough for him to want to take that chance. It's the way he went about it that was the problem. But frankly I'm over it now, so if he ever came back I'd support him.
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We have been linked with McCarthy at Everton today for £13m, probably nonsense but I think it would be good signing (far better than Cleverly anyway if we take someone from Everton). Not sure if he played under Bruce at Wigan or if he joined after Bruce left.
I heard that it was Villa that forced Delph to make the move to Man City (my Uncle works for a City player and gets to meet a fair few of their squad). So not sure he is as much of snake as most think, I would like to see him come back and think he would do well.
Its looking like we will be getting at least two in midfield anyway. Lansbury and one more, and we seem to be being linked with pretty decent quality (Delph, Cleverly, McCarthy) so happy with that.
If that's true about Delph it should be made public knowledge because it's a game changer. Absolutely the kind of player we need and i'd welcome him back in a heartbeat. I suspect that he will have offers from premier league clubs so it's a long shot.
Pelligrini pretty much confirmed it was us that took the cash and forced the move.
Well he would say that, wouldn't he.
I remember Delph's statement about after he left, it was not one of a man who had been forced to leave. I could just about believe we might have looked to cash in if the fee had been £20m but £8m for an England regular at the time was peanuts. It was clearly in Man City's interests to put a positive spin on things but i just don't buy it.
Aye, now that there was a report linking us to him...what actually happened is now all wrong, really?
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Delph being forced out has got to be complete bull. He would have certainly piped up about it, or at least hinted.
Anyhoo....we move on, any realistic rumors today? I see Hogan is being linked to west ham, I like him a lot.
But that's not true. If a club accepts an offer for a player then that player isn't going to want to stay is he? And let's not forget the abject state that the club was in off the field. The club had allowed the ridiculously low buy out clause in his contract in the first place. All im saying is if he is not the villain of the piece as has been portrayed we should know as it would make all the difference.
A couple of carefully worded hints from Delph after leaving could have got the press and fans off his back. Don't forget he was lambasted by fans and press alike . He wasn't forced out, although FairPlay for him signing a contract to at least get us a couple of quid.
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What's this forced him out by accepting an offer shit? He had a release clause that was met.
Also, if we were so keen to chuck him out, why did we include him in our kit promos, and change our social media to lionise him in that week right after the first refusal and before the backflip? Also, why would he agree to make that statement about how much he valued loyalty if he was allegedly being told to do one? He could've just turned around and gone back to accept City's offer instead.
It's a massive crockload of shit made up by City as a PR exercise to distort the fact that Delphi is a little shitcunt who couldn't be straight with us.
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He was going to a club that probably tripled his wages and gave him massively greater chances of winning silverware, but we had to force him to go there? Yeah, I can believe that.
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Delph? Mmmmm Westwood? Mmmmm.
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Also, it totally makes sense that on one hand we were so eager to cut costs so as to force our second best player out, but at the same time we were spending generous chunks on the likes of Gueye and the Jordans.
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What's this forced him out by accepting an offer shit? He had a release clause that was met.
Also, if we were so keen to chuck him out, why did we include him in our kit promos, and change our social media to lionise him in that week right after the first refusal and before the backflip? Also, why would he agree to make that statement about how much he valued loyalty if he was allegedly being told to do one? He could've just turned around and gone back to accept City's offer instead.
It's a massive crockload of shit made up by City as a PR exercise to distort the fact that Delphi is a little shitcunt who couldn't be straight with us.
Is the correct answer. Forced out my arse. He chased the arab riches and has spent a few years scratching his arse counting his notes on the bench. Lying, winking, smarmy little twat.
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Delph being forced out has got to be complete bull. He would have certainly piped up about it, or at least hinted.
Anyhoo....we move on, any realistic rumors today? I see Hogan is being linked to west ham, I like him a lot.
But that's not true. If a club accepts an offer for a player then that player isn't going to want to stay is he? And let's not forget the abject state that the club was in off the field. The club had allowed the ridiculously low buy out clause in his contract in the first place. All im saying is if he is not the villain of the piece as has been portrayed we should know as it would make all the difference.
On the other hand, he should never have come out and said he was happy to stay when he was quite clearly interested in another club.
Well we don't know for sure do we? That's what im saying. We should know the truth because purely from a footballing point of view he would be a fantastic signing for us. If he really is the snake in this then fuck him. But I for one would like to know the truth.
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Delph being forced out has got to be complete bull. He would have certainly piped up about it, or at least hinted.
Anyhoo....we move on, any realistic rumors today? I see Hogan is being linked to west ham, I like him a lot.
But that's not true. If a club accepts an offer for a player then that player isn't going to want to stay is he? And let's not forget the abject state that the club was in off the field. The club had allowed the ridiculously low buy out clause in his contract in the first place. All im saying is if he is not the villain of the piece as has been portrayed we should know as it would make all the difference.
On the other hand, he should never have come out and said he was happy to stay when he was quite clearly interested in another club.
Well we don't know for sure do we? That's what im saying. We should know the truth because purely from a footballing point of view he would be a fantastic signing for us. If he really is the snake in this then fuck him. But I for one would like to know the truth.
We know the truth, you are looking for a conspiracy that does not exist.
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Gueye came in when it looked like Delph was off first time.
Sherwood might have been asked if he actually needed both of them when Delph changed his mind, or whether he'd prefer the transfer money to bring in a different type of player.
There was also the little matter of the aborted takeover in the summer of 2015. Delph had signed on again earlier that year excited by big plans at the club, apparently (as he said himself). So he stays, thinking new era and Villa actually trying to compete again.
Only for all that new promise to evaporate, and the club returning to a holding pattern of spending circa £10 million net just to stay in the top flight.
Or it could have been as simple as Citeh offered Delph quite a lot of $ first time round, but even more when he played hard to get.
There might be elements of truth in some of that or none of it. But there is enough doubt there for me to not immediately cast him out with the H0dge/Southgate/ other tosspots who viewed the club as beneath them (it still amazes me whenever I see people earnestly putting Mouthgate's name forward as a potential manager).
In Delph's case, he was at least indecisive when it came to leaving, suggesting it was a dilemma for him. As opposed to bailing with the determination and zeal of a German soldier on the last plane out of Stalingrad.
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I forget who it was that told me - I think it was a Manc-based reporter - Delph changed his mind because City's move for a top-rated midfielder broke down (again I forget who) and they told him he'd therefore be getting more games than expected. That one worked out well.
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What's this forced him out by accepting an offer shit? He had a release clause that was met.
Also, if we were so keen to chuck him out, why did we include him in our kit promos, and change our social media to lionise him in that week right after the first refusal and before the backflip? Also, why would he agree to make that statement about how much he valued loyalty if he was allegedly being told to do one? He could've just turned around and gone back to accept City's offer instead.
It's a massive crockload of shit made up by City as a PR exercise to distort the fact that Delphi is a little shitcunt who couldn't be straight with us.
Is the correct answer. Forced out my arse. He chased the arab riches and has spent a few years scratching his arse counting his notes on the bench. Lying, winking, smarmy little twat.
I don't claim to know the answer but my gut feeling is that he was not forced out. If it was for 20/25 million, then maybe, but not for £8 million. We paid almost that out again on his replacement, so whilst there was a saving in wages, there was no saving in the actual transfer and replacement.
I remember at some point, either Sherwood (or possibly Lambert) announced that Delph had turned down "a top 4 club" in the January before he left. I also believe that the statements about him moving for the security of his daughter were honest and that had he been forced out, he would have not come out with such a bold statement when there was no need to.
I personally don't hold the grudge against Delph that many do. He was wrong to give us all that nonsense about this being "his club" when he had negotiated such a flimsy contract that gave us no bargaining power whatsoever.
Another point I would make, is, is he ever going to be the same player again, now that he has made all this money, been involved with a squad at the highest level and been out of action for so long? Lescott is an obvious example of this. I'm not saying that Delph will go the same way but it is a possibility. He only needs to drop that hunger, desire and determination by 2 or 3% and he will lose the edge that he once had.
For me, I don't begrudge him that move and had my son been in the same position, I would have advised him to do exactly the same. By the same token, I don't particularly want him back here and doubt he's a realistic target in any case.
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Delph being forced out has got to be complete bull. He would have certainly piped up about it, or at least hinted.
Anyhoo....we move on, any realistic rumors today? I see Hogan is being linked to west ham, I like him a lot.
But that's not true. If a club accepts an offer for a player then that player isn't going to want to stay is he? And let's not forget the abject state that the club was in off the field. The club had allowed the ridiculously low buy out clause in his contract in the first place. All im saying is if he is not the villain of the piece as has been portrayed we should know as it would make all the difference.
On the other hand, he should never have come out and said he was happy to stay when he was quite clearly interested in another club.
Well we don't know for sure do we? That's what im saying. We should know the truth because purely from a footballing point of view he would be a fantastic signing for us. If he really is the snake in this then fuck him. But I for one would like to know the truth.
We know the truth, you are looking for a conspiracy that does not exist.
I like a good conspiracy theory don't you? I only got involved in this when I read a comment earlier. It was from ASHTON VILLA who said his uncle works for a Man City player and had been told something different to what is commonly thought about Delphs about turn transfer there. The truth is out there.....
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Having a release claude doesn't mean a player must move. It's just that he has the option. It's more likely that the club, and maybe Sherwood, wanted the money to spend elsewhere as he knew he wouldn't be given a lot to spend. He had the Benteke and Delph money and backed himself to make the signings - I can't remember him decrying Delph's change of mind so it seems most likely to be have been driven by us.
Plus it was clear Delph was happy at Villa. He described us as his club. Why then would he spill the beans and paint us in a very embarrassing picture?
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McCarthy, if serious, would be a great buy, and a real "statement" signing.Only 26, and could be, top class.
Still think Tish would be a good signing, and another midfielder alongside these 2, be it Delph, Lansbury or Houirhane, would be 100 times better than what we have now.
Quicker Westwood is out the club the better for me.Nothing against him, but in having watched Villa for the last 40 years he is the worst player i have seen in a Villa shirt.
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McCarthy, if serious, would be a great buy, and a real "statement" signing.Only 26, and could be, top class.
Still think Tish would be a good signing, and another midfielder alongside these 2, be it Delph, Lansbury or Houirhane, would be 100 times better than what we have now.
Quicker Westwood is out the club the better for me.Nothing against him, but in having watched Villa for the last 40 years he is the worst player i have seen in a Villa shirt.
Delph,Lansbury and Houlihane would be a hundred times better than our current line up but highly unlikely to happen. Although just reading that caused a little stir in my boxer shorts.
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McCarthy, if serious, would be a great buy, and a real "statement" signing.Only 26, and could be, top class.
Still think Tish would be a good signing, and another midfielder alongside these 2, be it Delph, Lansbury or Houirhane, would be 100 times better than what we have now.
Quicker Westwood is out the club the better for me.Nothing against him, but in having watched Villa for the last 40 years he is the worst player i have seen in a Villa shirt.
Cue tons of suggestions for that dubious honour. I'm nominating Eric Djemba Djemba.
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Having a release claude doesn't mean a player must move. It's just that he has the option. It's more likely that the club, and maybe Sherwood, wanted the money to spend elsewhere as he knew he wouldn't be given a lot to spend. He had the Benteke and Delph money and backed himself to make the signings - I can't remember him decrying Delph's change of mind so it seems most likely to be have been driven by us.
Plus it was clear Delph was happy at Villa. He described us as his club. Why then would he spill the beans and paint us in a very embarrassing picture?
A release clause of £8 million for a player of Delph's standing is akin to having no release clause whatsoever. How many PL teams wouldn't have paid £8 million for an England midfielder? You'd probably find that several are still prepared to do so today, despite the backward turn in Delph's career.
Why would the club want to sell Delph for peanuts, risk relegation and replace him with someone who was unproven? There is absolutely no way on God's planet that Sherwood would want to let the linchpin of his midfield go so that he could have £8 million to spend. He already had £40 odd million available.
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At Villa, Delph was playing and really improving which got him into the England squad. At City, he rarely plays and has faded from the international scene, but is a lot richer.
most of us on here knew this would happen .
Anyway Leeds will probably go up through the Play offs and then Delph can go back there .
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Having a release claude doesn't mean a player must move. It's just that he has the option. It's more likely that the club, and maybe Sherwood, wanted the money to spend elsewhere as he knew he wouldn't be given a lot to spend. He had the Benteke and Delph money and backed himself to make the signings - I can't remember him decrying Delph's change of mind so it seems most likely to be have been driven by us.
Plus it was clear Delph was happy at Villa. He described us as his club. Why then would he spill the beans and paint us in a very embarrassing picture?
Who's Claude?
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Having a release claude doesn't mean a player must move. It's just that he has the option. It's more likely that the club, and maybe Sherwood, wanted the money to spend elsewhere as he knew he wouldn't be given a lot to spend. He had the Benteke and Delph money and backed himself to make the signings - I can't remember him decrying Delph's change of mind so it seems most likely to be have been driven by us.
Plus it was clear Delph was happy at Villa. He described us as his club. Why then would he spill the beans and paint us in a very embarrassing picture?
A release clause of £8 million for a player of Delph's standing is akin to having no release clause whatsoever. How many PL teams wouldn't have paid £8 million for an England midfielder? You'd probably find that several are still prepared to do so today, despite the backward turn in Delph's career.
Why would the club want to sell Delph for peanuts, risk relegation and replace him with someone who was unproven? There is absolutely no way on God's planet that Sherwood would want to let the linchpin of his midfield go so that he could have £8 million to spend. He already had £40 odd million available.
Well this is getting into other areas that we don't know about - why have the release clause if you don't intend to move. I think that was put in as a thank-you from the club. A kind of reward for signing on. Alternatively he was one of the biggest earners that the club new in January that they wanted to move on - they are likely to have known about Man City's interest as no other club came in for him so it must have been sewn up pretty early. Delph probably bulked at it because he either didn't want to move or felt uncomfortable about - probably because of THAT video.
Thing is we just don't know. We're all guessing. I'd welcome him back as would the vast majority if he were to sign on the dotted line.
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If we signed him back after 1-2 good games and a statement he'd be getting cheered.
If I was him I'd do it. He needs fitness and form, The Championship gives him a good platform to do that, he knows the club and some of the players and it would stop the hate. If he goes somewhere else he's got the incessant booing following him around his career.
Six months with us could lead to a better move than he could get now... I mean does he really want to go and play for Pulis?!
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If he is available, I'd say West Ham or Everton are more likely destinations.
Could understand Citeh not being agreeable to a loan to a potential top 4 rival. But a demotion to the Championship at his age would be a hard sell.
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
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If he is available, I'd say West Ham or Everton are more likely destinations.
Could understand Citeh not being agreeable to a loan to a potential top 4 rival. But a demotion to the Championship at his age would be a hard sell.
Everton are getting Schneiderlin and West Ham are shit. TBF you're probably right, but if I were Delph I'd be looking at us or Newcastle and getting some form together and trying to secure a better move in the Summer.
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
Would you class McCarthy of Everton at £13 million "fantasy" as well?
The thread title suggests that fantasy is a fair topic of discussion, given that Delph has been mentioned in at least 2 newspaper articles.
I don't believe that Messi has been linked so you are just being silly and contributing nothing whatsoever to the thread.
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
So you have set your sets on Messi?
I know what you mean I just don't know what your on about.
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Don't really fancy McCarthy at 13 million - from watching him in the past year or so, he comes off to me as basically a slightly better Cleverley, who in turn is a slightly better Westwood, which doesn't really fill me with confidence.
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Delph would be more tempted to drop a division if it were Leeds calling for him, don't you think?
Not a chance he'll be joining us anytime soon.
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Fabian Delph will not be dropping a division. One fake link on the web and off we go..
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Anyone know when we signed Gana in relation to D^lph staying leaving?
Only thing I can think of regarding that is we signed Gana and needed the D^lph money to pay Lille so didn't want him to stay.
I really couldn't understand us forcing him out regardless as after Benteke went he would be seen in the press and public as our best player and captain of course so easily the most marketable player on our books....you just don't force those types out of your club.
Said it before but I'd love a book written on the Lerner years....so much material there!
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I got told at the time that the Delph u turn had a LOT more to do with Tom Fox and one of the reasons why Fabian hasn't spoken about it since really
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
Would you class McCarthy of Everton at £13 million "fantasy" as well?
The thread title suggests that fantasy is a fair topic of discussion, given that Delph has been mentioned in at least 2 newspaper articles.
I don't believe that Messi has been linked so you are just being silly and contributing nothing whatsoever to the thread.
Calm down Old Kodjia. It's only supertom's viewpoint.
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exactly - I have it from an impeccable source that he's already been spotted at BH
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exactly - I have it from an impeccable source that he's already been spotted at BH
Messi, Delph or Benni McCarthy?
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exactly - I have it from an impeccable source that he's already been spotted at BH
Messi, Delph or Benni McCarthy?
What about Henri Lansbury?
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
Would you class McCarthy of Everton at £13 million "fantasy" as well?
The thread title suggests that fantasy is a fair topic of discussion, given that Delph has been mentioned in at least 2 newspaper articles.
I don't believe that Messi has been linked so you are just being silly and contributing nothing whatsoever to the thread.
Calm down Old Kodjia. It's only supertom's viewpoint.
It isn't a viewpoint-It is a pathetic, sarcastic dig at others who dare to discuss a "rumour" within the realms of the thread title. It is certainly not "fantasy" to discuss a newspaper report, however unreliable that source may be.
We're all Villa fans at the end of the day and most wish to discuss Villa related topics amongst like minded people, without the distraction of them being dragged off topic by stupid, childish references to Messi etc. There is another Villa forum where this pathetic one upmanship appears to be par for the course. I had formed the impression that this forum was a tad more mature and therefore free of this nonsense.
Perhaps it would make sense to start a separate thread for "fantasies" and leave this one free for the purpose that it's title suggests it was designed for? That is of course, if it is that important to certain people.
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Any news on Jay Spearing?
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Spotted at BH today
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Any news on Jay Spearing?
Yes he has been to Spain to work on his game and is now the new Messi
Underpants
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Any news on Jay Spearing?
Villa kicks drove him in.
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Spotted at BH today
Who? Lansbury?
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Any news on Jay Spearing?
Still busy guiding Frodo and Samwise across Mordor at the moment.
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Spotted at BH today
Didn't know they were doing tours of BMH for the public now.
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
Would you class McCarthy of Everton at £13 million "fantasy" as well?
The thread title suggests that fantasy is a fair topic of discussion, given that Delph has been mentioned in at least 2 newspaper articles.
I don't believe that Messi has been linked so you are just being silly and contributing nothing whatsoever to the thread.
Calm down Old Kodjia. It's only supertom's viewpoint.
It isn't a viewpoint-It is a pathetic, sarcastic dig at others who dare to discuss a "rumour" within the realms of the thread title. It is certainly not "fantasy" to discuss a newspaper report, however unreliable that source may be.
We're all Villa fans at the end of the day and most wish to discuss Villa related topics amongst like minded people, without the distraction of them being dragged off topic by stupid, childish references to Messi etc. There is another Villa forum where this pathetic one upmanship appears to be par for the course. I had formed the impression that this forum was a tad more mature and therefore free of this nonsense.
Perhaps it would make sense to start a separate thread for "fantasies" and leave this one free for the purpose that it's title suggests it was designed for? That is of course, if it is that important to certain people.
If that's not one upmanship I don't know what is.
I'm all for discussing any rumour, but we're getting several pages in on quite obvious space filler with the Delph link.
But to move away from Snake boy and fantasies Old Chap, McCarthy? More realistic prospect than Delph, but still a non-starter. I don't see us paying 13 million on someone this window for one. And to be honest I've never seen him as anything more than a better Westwood. Granted he'd be an instant improvement on Westwood and GG but there's 4-5 clubs in the Premier League who'd probably fancy him and be more attractive propositions than ourselves. As it is, I think Lansbury would be a better signing in several ways. He'd fit in better. He'd have more impact. He'd score more, create more and offer a better balance with Jedinak. McCarthy is another player who can't run and Angela would be a fraction of the price of the 3.5 tag is to be believed.
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I remember McCarthy getting shown up for the donkey he is by Delph, Cleverley and Grealish when we beat Everton in that little purple patch under Sherwood.
It's a no from me, a limited footballer.
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
Would you class McCarthy of Everton at £13 million "fantasy" as well?
The thread title suggests that fantasy is a fair topic of discussion, given that Delph has been mentioned in at least 2 newspaper articles.
I don't believe that Messi has been linked so you are just being silly and contributing nothing whatsoever to the thread.
Calm down Old Kodjia. It's only supertom's viewpoint.
It isn't a viewpoint-It is a pathetic, sarcastic dig at others who dare to discuss a "rumour" within the realms of the thread title. It is certainly not "fantasy" to discuss a newspaper report, however unreliable that source may be.
We're all Villa fans at the end of the day and most wish to discuss Villa related topics amongst like minded people, without the distraction of them being dragged off topic by stupid, childish references to Messi etc. There is another Villa forum where this pathetic one upmanship appears to be par for the course. I had formed the impression that this forum was a tad more mature and therefore free of this nonsense.
Perhaps it would make sense to start a separate thread for "fantasies" and leave this one free for the purpose that it's title suggests it was designed for? That is of course, if it is that important to certain people.
If that's not one upmanship I don't know what is.
I'm all for discussing any rumour, but we're getting several pages in on quite obvious space filler with the Delph link.
But to move away from Snake boy and fantasies Old Chap, McCarthy? More realistic prospect than Delph, but still a non-starter. I don't see us paying 13 million on someone this window for one. And to be honest I've never seen him as anything more than a better Westwood. Granted he'd be an instant improvement on Westwood and GG but there's 4-5 clubs in the Premier League who'd probably fancy him and be more attractive propositions than ourselves. As it is, I think Lansbury would be a better signing in several ways. He'd fit in better. He'd have more impact. He'd score more, create more and offer a better balance with Jedinak. McCarthy is another player who can't run and Angela would be a fraction of the price of the 3.5 tag is to be believed.
This is all a bit silly isn't it?
This entire argument, I mean, on both sides.
It's a football forum transfers thread, not a sitting of the UN security council.
Even punfests are better than this
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You're right mate, folks need to be more diplomatic.
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Stop being insular...be more consular!!!
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I raise you a consular for an ambassador
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You're right mate, folks need to be more diplomatic.
More automatic
more hydromatic
more greased lightnin'
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Just how did Olivia Newton-John get into those trousers?
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Assuming Lansbury comes, I think we still need a left winger (move Bacuna to RB instead of Hutton) and another option up front.
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Just how did Olivia Newton-John get into those trousers?
I would have had no trouble getting her out of them, grease is the word
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Just how did Olivia Newton-John get into those trousers?
I would have had no trouble getting her out of them, grease is the word
You Old Romantic.
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It's memories like that that remind me I am not dead yet. I shall know I am dead when I can't tell the difference between Olivia Newton-John and Theresa May in leather trousers.
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I raise you a consular for an ambassador
Raise you a plenipotentiary
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I see your plenipotentiary and raise you a majordomo.
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It's memories like that that remind me I am not dead yet. I shall know I am dead when I can't tell the difference between Olivia Newton-John and Theresa May in leather trousers.
HaHaHa
Shakespeare would have been proud of that line !
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If the Spuds manager doesn't play Nkoudou who came on to good effect, a loan to the end of the season could be useful.
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I see your plenipotentiary and raise you a majordomo.
So,I see your raise and raise you a seneschal.
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If the Spuds manager doesn't play Nkoudou who came on to good effect, a loan to the end of the season could be useful.
Liked him, absolutely bamboozled Hutton half a dozen times.
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It's memories like that that remind me I am not dead yet. I shall know I am dead when I can't tell the difference between Olivia Newton-John and Theresa May in leather trousers.
HaHaHa
Shakespeare would have been proud of that line !
I forget who but there is one that goes "It is the fate of all men that they end up looking like their grandfathers, it is the curse of all women that they end up looking like their grandfathers as well." :)
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we need some pace and divilment up top even with Kodjia coming back
To be honest, I think its getting rid of McCormack in Jan if someone were to give us 10m or so back
its isnt going to work with him at all, too slow and fat
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I'd be surprised (and delighted) if we got half back on what we paid for McCormack. He's way off the pace.
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It's memories like that that remind me I am not dead yet. I shall know I am dead when I can't tell the difference between Olivia Newton-John and Theresa May in leather trousers.
Theresa May is 8 years younger than Olivia Newton John. Theoretically she should look better in them. I very much doubt she does though.
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It's memories like that that remind me I am not dead yet. I shall know I am dead when I can't tell the difference between Olivia Newton-John and Theresa May in leather trousers.
Theresa May is 8 years younger than Olivia Newton John. Theoretically she should look better in them. I very much doubt she does though.
My cousin in Oz is dating her niece. Newton John's not May's obviously.
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Squad conclusions for this season from today...
Keepers - sorted
Right back - can use Bacuna
Centre backs - need 1 extra cover
Midfield - this new Tshibola signing is excellent. Add Lansbury and 1 other and sell Westwood and Gardner.
Jack - impact sub. Sell McCormack.
Gabby is like playing an OAP .
Get Hogan in.
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I'd be surprised (and delighted) if we got half back on what we paid for McCormack. He's way off the pace.
I think he probably drove to Dundee barefoot over his summer holidays and gorged on Toblerone. Fulham found out and saw the state he was in when he returned from pre-season and sold him to the first mugs they could find.
"Yeah...yeah, he's in good shape. He's just deceptively stocky."
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McCormack we would be better of loaning out, hopefully for someone he gets a good number of goals and we get a decent return in the close season, if not we will lose easily 8 million on the lard arse.
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worrying that in two seasons we've ripped through the thick end of £100m gross in transfer fees and we're still not in the top six of div 2. we really need some shrewd signings this month,
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
Would you class McCarthy of Everton at £13 million "fantasy" as well?
The thread title suggests that fantasy is a fair topic of discussion, given that Delph has been mentioned in at least 2 newspaper articles.
I don't believe that Messi has been linked so you are just being silly and contributing nothing whatsoever to the thread.
Calm down Old Kodjia. It's only supertom's viewpoint.
It isn't a viewpoint-It is a pathetic, sarcastic dig at others who dare to discuss a "rumour" within the realms of the thread title. It is certainly not "fantasy" to discuss a newspaper report, however unreliable that source may be.
We're all Villa fans at the end of the day and most wish to discuss Villa related topics amongst like minded people, without the distraction of them being dragged off topic by stupid, childish references to Messi etc. There is another Villa forum where this pathetic one upmanship appears to be par for the course. I had formed the impression that this forum was a tad more mature and therefore free of this nonsense.
Perhaps it would make sense to start a separate thread for "fantasies" and leave this one free for the purpose that it's title suggests it was designed for? That is of course, if it is that important to certain people.
I didn't see it as a pathetic, sarcastic dig. I've seen a lot of supertom's posts and they're far from that. I think it was more just a bit of fun. Certainly not something to get upset about.
Anyway, respect to your posts, too.
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So....is Messi NOT coming now?
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So....is Messi NOT coming now?
No. I think it was a typing error. Original poster meant to say we are in a mess and the auto-correct was being too clever in thinking we needed Messi.
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So....is Messi NOT coming now?
We've shelved the bid for Messi, Steve Bruce has confirmed he's turned to Dele Alli instead.
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Mr. Bruce when you said you wanted to bring in players who you thought would be an improvement on what we've already got, I thought you meant ability-wise, not players who are better at being anonymous on the pitch. Please don't even contemplate the likes of cleverly. Whoever you have in mind it would be nice as a Villa fan to think that when your team sheet is announced we have a realistic chance of 11 vs 11 rather than a 9 (ish) vs 11 scenario, that more often than not we seem to go with.
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So....is Messi NOT coming now?
We've shelved the bid for Messi, Steve Bruce has confirmed he's turned to Dele Alli instead.
Typical Villa, it was the same when we tried to sign Juninho and ended up with Steve Stone.
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Mr. Bruce when you said you wanted to bring in players who you thought would be an improvement on what we've already got, I thought you meant ability-wise, not players who are better at being anonymous on the pitch. Please don't even contemplate the likes of cleverly.
I'm sure that's exactly what he meant. Let's see who he actually brings in and not who the papers lazily link us with.
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I hadn't realised there was paper talk as I don't read the rags or their click baits. Just seen his name mentioned on some posts.
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Evening Mail linking us with Downing on loan.
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Great! I'll welcome him back by carefully positioning a snare at BH
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I'm sure the Mail are just trolling. As usual.
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The Snake and the Weasel both linked.
Sounds like a Chinese proverb.
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Or a League of Gentlemen episode (not as good as The Lesbian and The Monkey).
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Pat Murphy on twitter "Told Lansbury wants to come to @AVFCOfficial so he'll come either this month if the new @NFFC owners agree or on a free in summer".
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Pat Murphy on twitter "Told Lansbury wants to come to @AVFCOfficial so he'll come either this month if the new @NFFC owners agree or on a free in summer".
Bloody now please
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Let's save the money and put our faith in those nice lads Gardwood.
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The Snake and the Weasel both linked.
Sounds like a Chinese proverb.
It's a good job H@@*e is dead.
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Great! I'll welcome him back by carefully positioning a snare at BH
That's the drink all over my keyboard. cheers Bren :)
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If the Spuds manager doesn't play Nkoudou who came on to good effect, a loan to the end of the season could be useful.
Liked him, absolutely bamboozled Hutton half a dozen times.
You say that like it's some kind of achievement.
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Altidore worth a punt?
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Altidore worth a punt?
No.
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With Gestede gone, RHM fannying about over a new contract and Ayew /Kodjia away at the AFCON for potentially 4-5 weeks I would suggest the last thing we should be doing is looking to sell/loan out McCormack!
We need some creativity in midfield to actually give our strikers a chance of bloody scoring
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With Gestede gone, RHM fannying about over a new contract and Ayew /Kodjia away at the AFCON for potentially 4-5 weeks I would suggest the last thing we should be doing is looking to sell/loan out McCormack!
We need some creativity in midfield to actually give our strikers a chance of bloody scoring
I think McCormack would score with the right service but you need someone like Brady to provide the service. If we stick to the formation McCormack is not well suited to it anyway, and if it's the only way we can assure Brady I'd go for it. Once back, Kodjia and Ayew should be enough cover for that central role.
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Has the Doctor been making any noises on Weibo or Twitter?
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I wonder if Messi has a quiet run we might be able to tempt him over to the club. He might like the project of taking a struggling side up to the top flight and single-handedly winning us the Premier League.
What? This is beginning to turn into a fantasy thread, so I'm gonna join in and set my sets a bit higher than Fabian Bang Average Delph.
Would you class McCarthy of Everton at £13 million "fantasy" as well?
The thread title suggests that fantasy is a fair topic of discussion, given that Delph has been mentioned in at least 2 newspaper articles.
I don't believe that Messi has been linked so you are just being silly and contributing nothing whatsoever to the thread.
Calm down Old Kodjia. It's only supertom's viewpoint.
It isn't a viewpoint-It is a pathetic, sarcastic dig at others who dare to discuss a "rumour" within the realms of the thread title. It is certainly not "fantasy" to discuss a newspaper report, however unreliable that source may be.
We're all Villa fans at the end of the day and most wish to discuss Villa related topics amongst like minded people, without the distraction of them being dragged off topic by stupid, childish references to Messi etc. There is another Villa forum where this pathetic one upmanship appears to be par for the course. I had formed the impression that this forum was a tad more mature and therefore free of this nonsense.
Perhaps it would make sense to start a separate thread for "fantasies" and leave this one free for the purpose that it's title suggests it was designed for? That is of course, if it is that important to certain people.
If that's not one upmanship I don't know what is.
I'm all for discussing any rumour, but we're getting several pages in on quite obvious space filler with the Delph link.
But to move away from Snake boy and fantasies Old Chap, McCarthy? More realistic prospect than Delph, but still a non-starter. I don't see us paying 13 million on someone this window for one. And to be honest I've never seen him as anything more than a better Westwood. Granted he'd be an instant improvement on Westwood and GG but there's 4-5 clubs in the Premier League who'd probably fancy him and be more attractive propositions than ourselves. As it is, I think Lansbury would be a better signing in several ways. He'd fit in better. He'd have more impact. He'd score more, create more and offer a better balance with Jedinak. McCarthy is another player who can't run and Angela would be a fraction of the price of the 3.5 tag is to be believed.
I'm better than Westwood and so's my wife
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I firmly believe we bought McCormack simply to stop someone else buying him. And ever since he arrived he's been unfit (his fault), played out of position (not his fault) overweight (his fault), injured (probably because he's unfit/a tub of lard) and disinterested (his fault). I don't see, therefore, why letting him go now, if we could get anything like a decent fee, would be detrimental to the team as a whole.
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Aston Villa transfer rumour: Steve Bruce to swap Ross McCormack for Norwich City's Robbie Brady
Wouldnt mind that , not sure how much Brady is worth
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I firmly believe we bought McCormack to score goals, but I also believe the transaction made him believe he'd reached his zenith as a footballer, and as such he no longer needed to try quite as hard. He's allowed himself to become fat and unfit and he barely looks arsed. My prediction is, having got his last big payday, he'll go on do very little in a Villa shirt before getting shifted on for a couple of million at most. Prove me wrong, fatty.
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The only problem of swapping Brady for Ross is Brady is probably the ideal type of player to get the best out of him
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McCormack is a major disappointment. Has he had anything like a decent game yet? I can take him doing fuck all and popping up with the goal or goals to win us games like he did against Burton but when he's not doing that he offers little.
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On the one hand, I quite like McCormack and think with the right midfield and a run in the team he would start to look like the player I was so pleased we were signing.
On the other hand, if we are not going to play a system that suits and we can get a player that will fit the system Bruce wants to play, then great.
Only niggling worry is that he might do rather well at Norwich, wouldn't like it very much if he scored against us in the playoffs.
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Only niggling worry is that he might do rather well at Norwich, wouldn't like it very much if he scored against us in the playoffs.
He might well do but the brace from Robbie Brady will see us promoted (wink).
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Barnsley right back James Bree linked with a £4m move to us. I bet that would really cheese Hutton off.
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Barnsley right back James Bree linked with a £4m move to us. I bet that would really cheese Hutton off.
Would be a gouda replacement though.
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Havarti we already got enough right backs with Jenkinson on loan?
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Havarti we already got enough right backs with Jenkinson on loan?
We haven't taken him on loan, well not as yet anyway.
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Havarti we already got enough right backs with Jenkinson on loan?
Is that deal stilton? I read he was off to Palace now.
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That Gorgon Zola is probably sniffing around.
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I camembert this punditry.
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I indulge in most punathons, but cheese puns... done to death.
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cheesus christ
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You Feta not be making this up, he could Hallouminate our right side.
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Are the rumours about Ryan Babybel true?
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Bree suffers from regular ham string problems. I guess the two go together well.
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Sweet dreams are made of cheese
Who am I to dis a brie?
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wensley dale stephens going to sign then ? :'(
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Are the rumours about Ryan Babybel true?
Unlikely. I red Leicester were in for him.
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Are the rumours about Ryan Babybel true?
Unlikely. I red Leicester were in for him.
They will double Gloucesters offer.
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Barnsley right back James Bree linked with a £4m move to us. I bet that would really cheese Hutton off.
Would be a gouda replacement though.
Edam well better be.
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Are the rumours about Ryan Babybel true?
Unlikely. I red Leicester were in for him.
They will double Gloucesters offer.
How did Mr Cheese paint his wife? He double Gloucester.
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Aston Villa transfer rumour: Steve Bruce to swap Ross McCormack for Norwich City's Robbie Brady
Wouldnt mind that , not sure how much Brady is worth
Would take that IF another striker is coming in as well. We are short on front options.
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Aston Villa transfer rumour: Steve Bruce to swap Ross McCormack for Norwich City's Robbie Brady
Wouldnt mind that , not sure how much Brady is worth
Would take that IF another striker is coming in as well. We are short on front options.
Same here. McCormack doesn't fit the way Bruce wants to pay, and he's not fit enough. If we signed Rhodes and got Brady in, that would be good. I would most certainly, trade or direct bid, be targeting Brady. He's exactly the sort of player we need.
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As for Downing on loan? Think it's a bit of a lazy 2+2=5 link again, though infinity more feasible than Delph returning. I'd have the chinless wonder back though. He'd waltz into our side easily and be easier to fit into a workable, cohesive system than Grealish and Ayew. He'd create more and probably score more.
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Middlesbrough have said that Downing will be allowed on loan until the end of the season. Not necessarily to us.
Forest takeover due to be completed within 48 hours which should give us a better idea of whether we are likely to get Lansbury.
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McCormack would benefit from a midfield that supports him. An extra runner hitting the box and create either an option for a pass or taking a defender away to create space would see good use of his intelligence and movement.
If you think he's fat, then you've never seen him play before this season. He's always looked in this nick.
We're too predictable in our attacking play at present. The quality we have sees us bludgeon our way through, particularly with Kodjia flair for the unpredictable.
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Is Brady a left back or left winger?
If the later then that would be a good swap imo, otherwise we should continue to develop Amavi.
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Middlesbrough have said that Downing will be allowed on loan until the end of the season. Not necessarily to us.
Not surprised they'd like someone to share the wages.
Apparently to persuade him to drop to the Championship his salary was £35,000 per week, which doubled if they got promoted.
Which is a lot for somebody to sit on the bench.
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Agree with Ads. I'd like to see the real Ross McCormack. There's a class player in there.
Downing can do one.
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Is Brady a left back or left winger?
If the later then that would be a good swap imo, otherwise we should continue to develop Amavi.
Brady is a fine footballer but is one of those that hasn't really mastered any position. MON had him left of a midfield three for the most of the Euros, scored the famous winner against Italy B in that role. But he was back at Left back for some recent games maybe with Ward out but can't recall. He really didn't impose himself in the midfield role v Serbia or Georgia. By all accounts he hasn't really impressed for Norwich this season either.
His best asset is his crossing from play and set pieces but not sure Kodjia is the type of penalty box forward to take advantage.
Downing by all accounts was dreadful for Boro last season at our level and clearly not impressing this season. Strange as his West Ham form had him back involved at international level not too long ago. No from me on him
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if we're signing a midfielder from Norwich I'f rather we got Mulumbu.
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Is Brady a left back or left winger?
If the later then that would be a good swap imo, otherwise we should continue to develop Amavi.
Brady tends to fare better in a midfield where they players are bunched together.
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Pat Murphy reckons Lansbury will come now or in the summer
I think we're so far off premier league quality that I'd be prepared to focus on getting the team right for next season to try and win automatic promotion. We're only really beating bottom 6 championship teams on a regular basis - only two wins all season against the rest.
I think that means replacing Jedinak too. Preferably with someone who can run and pass the ball at least a little bit.
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Pat Murphy reckons Lansbury will come now or in the summer
I think we're so far off premier league quality that I'd be prepared to focus on getting the team right for next season to try and win automatic promotion. We're only really beating bottom 6 championship teams on a regular basis - only two wins all season against the rest.
I think that means replacing Jedinak too. Preferably with someone who can run and pass the ball at least a little bit.
I know it's negative, but that has always been my view (kinda). But not just promotion, champions. I want us to win something, a real trophy.
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Pat Murphy reckons Lansbury will come now or in the summer
I think we're so far off premier league quality that I'd be prepared to focus on getting the team right for next season to try and win automatic promotion. We're only really beating bottom 6 championship teams on a regular basis - only two wins all season against the rest.
I think that means replacing Jedinak too. Preferably with someone who can run and pass the ball at least a little bit.
or not at all , hedge those bets Pat Murphy ! :D
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I've been on the fence. But I can't see it happening and to be honest the thought of this team in the premier league has the potential robe so embarrassing I'm not sure I'm ready for it
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I've been on the fence. But I can't see it happening and to be honest the thought of this team in the premier league has the potential robe so embarrassing I'm not sure I'm ready for it
I don't think it is something you have to worry about wearing mate
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I've been on the fence. But I can't see it happening and to be honest the thought of this team in the premier league has the potential robe so embarrassing I'm not sure I'm ready for it
If we get into the Premier League, we wouldn't have this team for long.
I don't see why a club with hundreds of millions to spend (potentially) would be less capable of holding their own in the top flight than the likes of Burnley or Middlesbrough.
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Can we recall Gil and Veretout? Surely they'd strengthen the midfield? Veretout has had more first team experience whilst out on loan - he'd stand out this League.....
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Can we recall Gil and Veretout? Surely they'd strengthen the midfield? Veretout has had more first team experience whilst out on loan - he'd stand out this League.....
Gil would just give us another attacker who wouldn't get service from the midfield, and Veretout's attitude was apparently poor enough that even RDM deemed him as worthy of being shipped out on loan, even though from a talent standpoint I have no doubt he'd be superior to our current options.
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Can we recall Gil and Veretout? Surely they'd strengthen the midfield? Veretout has had more first team experience whilst out on loan - he'd stand out this League.....
Veretout would rather stick his cock in a mousetrap than play for us, especially at this level.
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I think I read that Gil had done ligaments recently.
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Talks between Norwich and Villa over a straight swap deal between Robbie Brady and Ross McCormack have broken down after Norwich demanded cash as well as Brady. Greedy fcukers.
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Talks between Norwich and Villa over a straight swap deal between Robbie Brady and Ross McCormack have broken down after Norwich demanded cash as well as Brady. Greedy fcukers.
I'll say. McCormack, cash AND Brady!
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I don't blame them. Brady is 25 and on his uppers. McCormack is not, out of shape and hasn't been in any sort of form since last season.
If we can give them a few million quid sweetener to get it done it might be better than risking having a £12m asset the wrong side of 30 sitting on the bench the next couple of years.
In the Summer we'd do well to get half of what we paid.
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Brady is a decent player but nothing special. I don't think he's worth any more than McCormack who is a proven goalscorer at this level but just not fitting into our system. I think the weight thing is probably a myth - look at vids of him last year, doesn't seem that different to me?
I think Norwich are taking the piss as they sense our desperation.
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I'll give you the weight thing, he is stocky. But he's clearly not fit - can't play 90 minutes.
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I think the weight thing is probably a myth - look at vids of him last year, doesn't seem that different to me?
I agree. But when I see all the lithe, athletic fans in the stands, I understand their reasoning.
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I don't blame them. Brady is 25 and on his uppers. McCormack is not, out of shape and hasn't been in any sort of form since last season.
If we can give them a few million quid sweetener to get it done it might be better than risking having a £12m asset the wrong side of 30 sitting on the bench the next couple of years.
In the Summer we'd do well to get half of what we paid.
And then watch him score a bucket load for them!!
I still don;t know how we have turned someone so clinical at this level into a pub player. Also can he play for three teams in a season (assuming he played for Fulham before he signed)
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I don't blame them. Brady is 25 and on his uppers. McCormack is not, out of shape and hasn't been in any sort of form since last season.
If we can give them a few million quid sweetener to get it done it might be better than risking having a £12m asset the wrong side of 30 sitting on the bench the next couple of years.
In the Summer we'd do well to get half of what we paid.
And then watch him score a bucket load for them!!
I still don;t know how we have turned someone so clinical at this level into a pub player. Also can he play for three teams in a season (assuming he played for Fulham before he signed)
He didn't play for Fulham, he signed a few days before the opening game.
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Stewart Downing linked with a return to Villa on the backpage of today's Mail.
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Stewart Downing linked with a return to Villa on the backpage of today's Mail.
Downing and Delph back would really improve us.
Both wankers though
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Can we recall Gil and Veretout? Surely they'd strengthen the midfield? Veretout has had more first team experience whilst out on loan - he'd stand out this League.....
I don't get this line of thought.
By and large, players that struggled at the higher level have continued to struggle at this level too, eg Westwood, Ayew, Hutton, Bacuna.
None of them are good enough it's as simple as that - better leaving them in the past and moving on.
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Stewart Downing linked with a return to Villa on the backpage of today's Mail.
Downing and Delph back would really improve us.
Both wankers though
I'm really not sure about Downing. If he can't get in the Boro side then he must be seriously on the wane. Delph would be fantastic though.
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I've been as critical about Delph as anyone but it'd be great to have him back. Downing, depends on hs fitness and attitude.
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Downing must be about 40 now isn't he? plus he took the piss out of us big time with the Liverpool thing, so it's a no from me.
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Downing must be about 40 now isn't he? plus he took the piss out of us big time with the Liverpool thing, so it's a no from me.
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McCormack is not a lone striker. Until we play 2 up and find a system to accommodate that he's going to look pretty rubbish.
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McCormack is not a lone striker. Until we play 2 up and find a system to accommodate that he's going to look pretty rubbish.
Agreed. McCormack scored a bucket load of goals last season alongside Dembele in a piss poor Fulham side
While Kodjia away why not play him alongside Flabby and see what happens? Has to be better than Flabby or Ross up front on their own...
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McCormack is not a lone striker. Until we play 2 up and find a system to accommodate that he's going to look pretty rubbish.
Agreed. McCormack scored a bucket load of goals last season alongside Dembele in a piss poor Fulham side
While Kodjia away why not play him alongside Flabby and see what happens? Has to be better than Flabby or Ross up front on their own...
This to me is the problem. Bruce is very reluctant to start with 2 out and out strikers. I think he has done so once (Burton) where he went 4411. RM had a decent game that day and I was impressed with his work rate after he dropped deeper in the closing stages as we held onto our slender lead.
I think that Norwich will be far more suited to him and letting him go there could boost a potential promotion rival next season. I see him scoring regularly, when played in a 442 or 4411.
I personally quite like McCormack. He has drawn the short straw since Bruce has taken over but is still good to be able to bring on from the bench. I wouldn't be overly upset as to whether he stays or goes. He's a great squad player but I can't see him being a regular starter under Bruce. If we can get 10-12 million for him, or a replacement of similar value, it could also work well.
Ideally, I'd like to sell Ayew and keep McCormack. I really like Ayew but I have just about reached a point where I feel he wouldn't be missed. We've waited half a season for him to impose himself yet as we speak, he has generally failed to do so. At what point do you cut your losses?
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i think McKormack's a decent footballer, he has linked up well with Grealish on occasion. Kodija and Ayew both seem to be head down individualistic types and I think McKormack is more of a give and go sort of player who would link things up neatly and then get on the end of things. He's no pace, that's for sure, but I see him as a kind of stocky (fat?) Teddy Sheringham type.
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McCormack is an intelligent footballer who needs to be played in a TEAM which Villa unfortunately are not, just a bunch of individuals!
He will score loads of goals in the right team and structure.
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Bree is supposed to be close with a fee almost agreed with the Flat Cap whippet fanciers.
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Is that Angela ? Can't keep-up with your refs.
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no he's the defensive bloke from Barnsley. Ange plays for forest and may be joining now or in the summer when it snows less.
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Bree is supposed to be close with a fee almost agreed with the Flat Cap whippet fanciers.
He sounds good - let's hope we don't spread him too thinly.
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I'm going to be gutted if we haven't signed at least two starters before the Dogheads match. Preferably Bree and Houriane
They've started playing some decent football of late and if we lose to them i'll never be able to visit my local again
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Is that Angela ? Can't keep-up with your refs.
I think Bree is his name isn't it?
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
I agree. Two midfielders and a right back.
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McCormack is not a lone striker. Until we play 2 up and find a system to accommodate that he's going to look pretty rubbish.
Agreed. McCormack scored a bucket load of goals last season alongside Dembele in a piss poor Fulham side
While Kodjia away why not play him alongside Flabby and see what happens? Has to be better than Flabby or Ross up front on their own...
This to me is the problem. Bruce is very reluctant to start with 2 out and out strikers. I think he has done so once (Burton) where he went 4411. RM had a decent game that day and I was impressed with his work rate after he dropped deeper in the closing stages as we held onto our slender lead.
I think that Norwich will be far more suited to him and letting him go there could boost a potential promotion rival next season. I see him scoring regularly, when played in a 442 or 4411.
I personally quite like McCormack. He has drawn the short straw since Bruce has taken over but is still good to be able to bring on from the bench. I wouldn't be overly upset as to whether he stays or goes. He's a great squad player but I can't see him being a regular starter under Bruce. If we can get 10-12 million for him, or a replacement of similar value, it could also work well.
Ideally, I'd like to sell Ayew and keep McCormack. I really like Ayew but I have just about reached a point where I feel he wouldn't be missed. We've waited half a season for him to impose himself yet as we speak, he has generally failed to do so. At what point do you cut your losses?
You can play them all....it's what's behind them that's the problem.
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
I agree. Two midfielders and a right back.
Two midfielders and a right back. Needed.
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
I agree. Two midfielders and a right back.
And a centre-forward for me.
I'd say centre-forward is off paramount importance.
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
I agree. Two midfielders and a right back.
And a centre-forward for me.
I'd say centre-forward is off paramount importance.
We need a quality replacement for Hutton, one for Westwood with more attacking ability, and a midfield leader who can combine the better attributes of Jedinak and Gardner but play week in week out.
So, erm, that's a right back and two midfielders.
Can we do another punathon now...
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
I agree. Two midfielders and a right back.
Two midfielders and a right back. Needed.
Just to be contrary, I think we need a right back and two midfielders.
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McCormack is not a lone striker. Until we play 2 up and find a system to accommodate that he's going to look pretty rubbish.
Agreed. McCormack scored a bucket load of goals last season alongside Dembele in a piss poor Fulham side
While Kodjia away why not play him alongside Flabby and see what happens? Has to be better than Flabby or Ross up front on their own...
This to me is the problem. Bruce is very reluctant to start with 2 out and out strikers. I think he has done so once (Burton) where he went 4411. RM had a decent game that day and I was impressed with his work rate after he dropped deeper in the closing stages as we held onto our slender lead.
I think that Norwich will be far more suited to him and letting him go there could boost a potential promotion rival next season. I see him scoring regularly, when played in a 442 or 4411.
I personally quite like McCormack. He has drawn the short straw since Bruce has taken over but is still good to be able to bring on from the bench. I wouldn't be overly upset as to whether he stays or goes. He's a great squad player but I can't see him being a regular starter under Bruce. If we can get 10-12 million for him, or a replacement of similar value, it could also work well.
Ideally, I'd like to sell Ayew and keep McCormack. I really like Ayew but I have just about reached a point where I feel he wouldn't be missed. We've waited half a season for him to impose himself yet as we speak, he has generally failed to do so. At what point do you cut your losses?
You can play them all....it's what's behind them that's the problem.
Partly true. With the best midfield in the world though, McCormack is still going to have limitations as a lone striker or the wide one of the 3.
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
I agree. Two midfielders and a right back.
Two midfielders and a right back. Needed.
Just to be contrary, I think we need a right back and two midfielders.
I don't wish to be argumentative but I I think we definitely need two midfielders and a right back
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We need two midfielders and a right back.
I agree. Two midfielders and a right back.
And a centre-forward for me.
I'd say centre-forward is off paramount importance.
We need a quality replacement for Hutton, one for Westwood with more attacking ability, and a midfield leader who can combine the better attributes of Jedinak and Gardner but play week in week out.
So, erm, that's a right back and two midfielders.
Can we do another punathon now...
yes I hope we can FARM out one of our mid FIEld ers
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What, quite frankly, amazes me is that no one else on this message board seems to grasp that we need 2 midfielders and a right back.
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i think we need a midfielder a right back and another midfielder to finish off , obviously
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You're all ****** and I will put my fists upon you.
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i think we need a midfielder a right back and another midfielder to finish off , obviously
Can we have two right backs and a midflelder
Thats just the hay it is
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If Bacuna drops back to right back would we need 3 midfielders?
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Two midfielders and a right back please. The B side of 'Two Pints'.
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Or slot Hutton and de Laet into midfield, and sign three right backs.
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You're all c***s and I will put my fists upon you.
I agree.
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If Bacuna drops back to right back would we need 3 midfielders?
So maybe 3 midfielders and no right back? Hmmmmmmmm
No, I'd go a right back and 2 midfielders I think...
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if we played a 4-1-5 formation am I wrong in saying that we would only need one midfielder
And two full backs
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You're all c***s and I will put my fists upon you.
I agree.
yes you are all bloody chips
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I haven't read the last few pages, any interesting links?
I hope so, because by my reckoning we're at least one midfielder, a right back, and probably another midfielder short of what we need.
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Amazon January Sale link :-
buy 2 midfielders and get a right back half price.
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To be slightly different I'd also accept a left winger a midfielder and a right back because I think we're playing a 442/4411 anyway so lets at least get a proper winger in for the left side. It would also let us have someone bridge the vast gap between midfield and attack (a number 10 as I like to call them) and I think RM and Grealish can fight it out for that spot and let Kodjia and Ayew can compete at 9. Adomah on the right, newbie on the left with Green and Bacuna as backup options is fine and I'd trust 1 of Tish or Jedinak to do a job alongside the new centre mid and I think Westwood and Gardner can offer cover there until the summer when we should move them on.
I'm not sure what's best for RB because with delaet to come back we need to be careful not to create too much competition there, that's why I think Jenkinson is a good idea if there's a chance.
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I'd just like a right back and 2 midfielders.
For the Villa, obv. I have enough staff.
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Really underwhelmed so far. The forward line 'strength' at present is very weak. Can't believe that we released Gestede without a replacement ready to join immediately, especially with Kodjia and Ayew away on ACON duty. Why couldn't we arrange a swop with Borough for Rhodes plus cash?? This is going to bite us badly if we don't sign a striker soon.
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A winger would be an interesting option as we could play 442. Sakho is available at Palace.
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Really underwhelmed so far. The forward line 'strength' at present is very weak. Can't believe that we released Gestede without a replacement ready to join immediately, especially with Kodjia and Ayew away on ACON duty. Why couldn't we arrange a swop with Borough for Rhodes plus cash?? This is going to bite us badly if we don't sign a striker soon.
Midfield is more of a concern to me, whoever is playing up front isn't going to get many chances when we don't have a decent midfielder to supply a forward.
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Really underwhelmed so far. The forward line 'strength' at present is very weak. Can't believe that we released Gestede without a replacement ready to join immediately, especially with Kodjia and Ayew away on ACON duty. Why couldn't we arrange a swop with Borough for Rhodes plus cash?? This is going to bite us badly if we don't sign a striker soon.
Midfield is more of a concern to me, whoever is playing up front isn't going to get many chances when we don't have a decent midfielder to supply a forward.
Agree on the Midfield weakness as well. How many years has the Midfield been a problem? Successive Managers have failed to address a fundamental problem and continue to pick Westwood!!
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Last dozen years, off the top of my head, I'd say Milner is the only purchase that instantly improved our midfield.
Which is a bit shit. And explains a lot.
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We could do with two in your face irritating athletes in midfield to play either side of jedinak, they don't have to be particuarlly good at passing or tackling, just have high stamina and be able to get up and down, our midfield is so static and slow right now.
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Last dozen years, off the top of my head, I'd say Milner is the only purchase that instantly improved our midfield.
Which is a bit shit. And explains a lot.
Bloody hell, it's frightening when you put it like that. Ashley Young & Petrov both started ok I think, but that doesn't change your point.
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We could do with two in your face irritating athletes in midfield to play either side of jedinak, they don't have to be particuarlly good at passing or tackling, just have high stamina and be able to get up and down, our midfield is so static and slow right now.
you mean, like Lyden?!
Green provides adequate wing capability. That's why I think we need Ange and AN Other to join our MF cadre. Additionally, a CB to compensate for Elphick's inadequacies.
Oh, and a RB ...
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Last dozen years, off the top of my head, I'd say Milner is the only purchase that instantly improved our midfield.
Which is a bit shit. And explains a lot.
When we first signed him he played on the right and didn't get that much good press as I remember. Probably as Young was on the left creating a lot more for us. There was a long term debate on here about him being better in the centre as I recall before we signed Downing and he did move inside.
So not sure even he classes as 'instantly improved'.
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I haven't read the last few pages, any interesting links?
I hope so, because by my reckoning we're at least one midfielder, a right back, and probably another midfielder short of what we need.
I can see what you are doing here. Good craft.
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Pat Murphy has confirmed our interest in Hourihane as well as Bree.
It would be nice to add Lansbury and Hourihane to the midfield and replace Hutton at the same time. Two players who can score goals and hit the box.
Barnsley are losing Winall as well.
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I would like Lansbury. It was mentioned earlier that his 'twatness' would add an extra dimension to us. I agree.
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You're all c***s and I will put my fists upon you.
I agree.
Meh
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You're all c***s and I will put my fists upon you.
Your not fisting me mate.
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It would be nice to see one over the line before the Wolves, but with Forest and their takeover not happening, Lansbury looks unlikely this week.
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Steve Bruce at Old Trafford tonight.
Probably looking for a full back to play on the right and a couple of players to play not in defence or as a striker.
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I wonder if we have other options if Lansbury falls through in view of the current circus at Forest? Hourihane was very good against us for Barnsley and good to see there is some interest. But like others have said it needs to be two midfielders (and if we can add Jenkinson as the right back all we'll and good).
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IF......if, he is after Jenkinson....what's the hold-up there ? He's not been playing; is he injured ? or not interested, do you think?
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IF......if, he is after Jenkinson....what's the hold-up there ? He's not been playing; is he injured ? or not interested, do you think?
There are rumours that Crystal Palace are interested. So you'd expect him to hold fire in case that happens rather than jumping on us too soon.
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Bruce walking one of his old players for Hull tonight ?
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He's probably waiting for a Premier League move.
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Bruce walking one of his old players for Hull tonight ?
There are other spell check errors that could have made that funnier and possibly libellous.
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Bruce walking one of his old players for Hull tonight ?
There are other spell check errors that could have made that funnier and possibly libellous.
Well, he's hoping for a happy ending to the season...
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Pull the other one...
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Come on people.
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We could do with two in your face irritating athletes in midfield to play either side of jedinak, they don't have to be particuarlly good at passing or tackling, just have high stamina and be able to get up and down, our midfield is so static and slow right now.
What's Reo-Coker up to these days?
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Guardian suggests we're about to bid for Jeff Schlupp. Would we then cash in on Amavi, or have them in tandem?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/10/aston-villa-jeffrey-schlupp-west-brom-crystal-palace
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Guardian suggests we're about to bid for Jeff Schlupp. Would we then cash in on Amavi, or have them in tandem?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/10/aston-villa-jeffrey-schlupp-west-brom-crystal-palace
Cash in on Amavi, if some of the fucking insane figures being talked about are true.
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£12m for Schlupp is insane. I'm sure there should be a decimal point in there.
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Guardian suggests we're about to bid for Jeff Schlupp. Would we then cash in on Amavi, or have them in tandem?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/10/aston-villa-jeffrey-schlupp-west-brom-crystal-palace
Cash in on Amavi, if some of the fucking insane figures being talked about are true.
£12m for Schlupp is insane. I'm sure there should be a decimal point in there.
If we cashed in on Amavi and got the reported £25m that would be a snip
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I'd be very surprised if we paid £12 million for a full back, other than if we cashed in on Amavi.
Poor old Kodjia is going to be the only french speaking player left at this rate-Who is going to translate for him? Gabby?
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From a Nottingham Forest message board :
"he's been the constant after so many manager changes that it's given him the power to do what he wants when he wants. I know for a fact he's skipped training on multiple occasions. He's used us for a gravy boat because he's been allowed to - this whole situation is a microcosm of the Fawaz tenure"
Sounds familiar.
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He will fit right in here then.
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Guardian suggests we're about to bid for Jeff Schlupp. Would we then cash in on Amavi, or have them in tandem?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/10/aston-villa-jeffrey-schlupp-west-brom-crystal-palace
Cash in on Amavi, if some of the fucking insane figures being talked about are true.
£12m for Schlupp is insane. I'm sure there should be a decimal point in there.
If we cashed in on Amavi and got the reported £25m that would be a snip
That assumes he would be happy to piss his career up the wall by going to play in China.
I'd rather keep Amati than take Schlupp.
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Guardian suggests we're about to bid for Jeff Schlupp. Would we then cash in on Amavi, or have them in tandem?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/10/aston-villa-jeffrey-schlupp-west-brom-crystal-palace
Cash in on Amavi, if some of the fucking insane figures being talked about are true.
£12m for Schlupp is insane. I'm sure there should be a decimal point in there.
I'd rather keep Amati than take Schlupp.
I suppose it depends how much brass we're talking about.
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I think Schlupp could / would play left wing. We're playing Bacuna there at the moment
£12m seems bloody ridiculous though.
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Amavi swap for Benteke? Seems that he is now surplus at Palace.
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I wonder if now that Niasse chap who plays for Everton is on the verge of going to Hull on loan, it might pave the way for Hernandez to leave? Just a thought.
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Amavi swap for Benteke? Seems that he is now surplus at Palace.
If Benteke is genuinely surplus at Palace, rather than it just being paper talk, & he wants to stay in England rather than go to China then I would flog Amavi for the mythical £25m and buy a jobbing left back for £3m and have a go at tempting him back. Offer him half his wages with the other half paid if he gets us up and offer him the option of a sell on if we don't get up. Can't see it happening or him biting but maybe worth a shot as it would also solve the problem on the left as Kodjia can play there effectively.
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Surely Benteke is ideal for Allerdyce? Better than the target men that he's been used to in the past, I would imagine?
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Benteke probably took the move to Palace with the view that it would be one step back to go two steps forward.
Be a first team regular in a reasonable Prem side who would give him decent service for a season and a bit. With the added bonus of living in London. Then get a move back to a bigger club who would utilise what he can do, rather than piss and moan about what he can't do as per the Redscouse.
Taking a move back to Villa now, be that loan or whatever, would be one step back to go four steps back.
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And Palace are only thinking of selling Benteke to raise funds for transfers, so probably wouldn't be interested in a swap deal.
Benteke will have other Premier League teams after him anyway.
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Benteke has scored something like 8 goals in 18 games for them and missed a few penalties so I would suggest they would be bonkers to let him go given their current league position.
Sadly he won't be coming back to VP but no doubt there will be plenty adding him to their wish lists of ex-players they think are coming back to us (but we have not a cat in hells chance of signing) alongside Delph, Milner, Young and Barry!
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I wonder if now that Niasse chap who plays for Everton is on the verge of going to Hull on loan, it might pave the way for Hernandez to leave? Just a thought.
I thought this too.
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The Bham Mail is talking seriously about Ayew going to China. Yes, please, if the money is good for us.
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Amavi - I can't believe we have finally found a solution to one of our longest term problem positions and with 20 days of the transfer widow remaining people are wanting to sell him off in possibly our most important season for 20 years (given current PL money deal). It's just plain nuts. We don't seem to be short short of cash, so why not spend it improving the team rather than selling off our better players?
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I can see Benteke ending up at the Bitters, and that would be hard to swallow.
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Benteke has scored something like 8 goals in 18 games for them and missed a few penalties so I would suggest they would be bonkers to let him go given their current league position.
Sadly he won't be coming back to VP but no doubt there will be plenty adding him to their wish lists of ex-players they think are coming back to us (but we have not a cat in hells chance of signing) alongside Delph, Milner, Young and Barry!
I'm still waiting for Gerry Hitchens and Tony Hateley to return but unfortunately......
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Amavi - I can't believe we have finally found a solution to one of our longest term problem positions and with 20 days of the transfer widow remaining people are wanting to sell him off in possibly our most important season for 20 years (given current PL money deal). It's just plain nuts. We don't seem to be short short of cash, so why not spend it improving the team rather than selling off our better players?
Maybe he has a release clause in his contract to only play one season in the Championship and we're hedging our bets.
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Amavi - I can't believe we have finally found a solution to one of our longest term problem positions and with 20 days of the transfer widow remaining people are wanting to sell him off in possibly our most important season for 20 years (given current PL money deal). It's just plain nuts. We don't seem to be short short of cash, so why not spend it improving the team rather than selling off our better players?
Is Amavi really the solution to our long term left back woes? If so, on what basis? I don't see it at all I must say. Has promise for sure but I don't think he is improving defensively and have hardly seen him as an attacking threat this season. If he was that good he would be burning up this division.
Someone like Tyrone Mings at Bouremouth went for stupid money from Ipswich there but is struggling for game time. He would be a solid signing for us if Amavi were to leave.
Re Benteke, he has been hopeless since leaving us. Confidence no doubt has taken a battering but his mobility seems non existent these days.
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Dr Tony has just tweeted that we're looking at 7 or 8 and hope for 3 or 4 targets. It could be exciting.
'Working hard every day now. About 7-8 targets ongoing but if we could get 3done, then it's not bad result. If 4, would be great.'
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I can see Benteke ending up at the Bitters, and that would be hard to swallow.
Me too.
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Wyness and the club getting some stick by the looks of it.
Wyness tweeted "understand frustration in transfer window ,many complex issues and be assured we are doing all we can #utv"
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who are bitters ?
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who are bitters ?
Webba (WBA).
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Amavi - I can't believe we have finally found a solution to one of our longest term problem positions and with 20 days of the transfer widow remaining people are wanting to sell him off in possibly our most important season for 20 years (given current PL money deal). It's just plain nuts. We don't seem to be short short of cash, so why not spend it improving the team rather than selling off our better players?
Maybe he has a release clause in his contract to only play one season in the Championship and we're hedging our bets.
OI! Kelly! You not talking to me?
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Do I have to set off the Weller alarm?
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Do I have to set off the Weller alarm?
Just read the PM. Sorry. As you were.
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I'd be surprised if Benteke left Palace now. He seems the archetypal Allardyce striker to me and is pretty much the only one scoring for them. No chance at all he'd drop a division for us though.
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Dr Tony has just tweeted that we're looking at 7 or 8 and hope for 3 or 4 targets. It could be exciting.
'Working hard every day now. About 7-8 targets ongoing but if we could get 3done, then it's not bad result. If 4, would be great.'
A right back and 2 midfielders then.....
And err either a centre back or wide forward.
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According the express the Lansbury deal is going through as they've accepted our offer and he's to have a medical.
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Dr Tony has just tweeted that we're looking at 7 or 8 and hope for 3 or 4 targets. It could be exciting.
'Working hard every day now. About 7-8 targets ongoing but if we could get 3done, then it's not bad result. If 4, would be great.'
A right back and 2 midfielders then.....
And err either a centre back or wide forward.
I think the 4th will be a left winger.
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Dr Tony has just tweeted that we're looking at 7 or 8 and hope for 3 or 4 targets. It could be exciting.
'Working hard every day now. About 7-8 targets ongoing but if we could get 3done, then it's not bad result. If 4, would be great.'
A right back and 2 midfielders then.....
And err either a centre back or wide forward.
I think the 4th will be a left winger.
No, I predict an inside left
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Be great if we can get Lansbury in. I've seen all the Twitter bits about his medical, but I'm at the age of not believing...
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I think it HITC reporting, can't say they've ever reported anything before. They normally repeat others reporting for clicks and advert revenue.
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I'm far from convinced by Lansbury, seems like the sort of tit that would get on well with Richards.
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Wyness and the club getting some stick by the looks of it.
Wyness tweeted "understand frustration in transfer window ,many complex issues and be assured we are doing all we can #utv"
Ridiculous if true. For once in a long time we have good people running the club and I'm positive that they are doing the best they can.
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Twitter › patmurphybbc
It seems @AVFCOfficial like both Hourihane & Bree but not yet made bids. Aware that some PL clubs also circling. Lot of plate-spinning at VP
25 mins ago - Twitter
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Wyness and the club getting some stick by the looks of it.
Wyness tweeted "understand frustration in transfer window ,many complex issues and be assured we are doing all we can #utv"
Ridiculous if true. For once in a long time we have good people running the club and I'm positive that they are doing the best they can.
That's Twitter for you. There a lot of good stuff on there but I'm afraid it does attract some real t**ts.
I agree about Keith Wyness, there was a lot of uncertainty when he and Samuelson came to the club. I think he seems a pretty decent bloke who's certainly doing a good job as did Steve Hollis before him.
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We need signings in a.s.a.p.
Say we lose the Wolves game which could easily happen given how well they played at VP and Sheffield win...we'll be 10 points off them.
No point signing all these great players on 31st January if we're about 12 points adrift at that stage as to me that would be too much to do.
I'm a bit concerned really. We've let Gestede out early when I personally would've kept him for a few more weeks, Kodjia and Ayew are in Africa so what exactly are our central striking options for the Wolves game?
Gabby and McCormack....you can see why I think we'll struggle to do much more than getting a point at Molineux.
I just assumed when we let Rudy go we had a striker ready to sign but appears not.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
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Me. We won there with Heskey up front!
(http://thumb.ibb.co/ir2rka/article_1315373_0_B5_CB843000005_DC_190_634x381.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ir2rka)
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The Heskey picture didn't add much to that post, I just noticed a new "Add image to post" icon and wanted to try it out.
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I'm beginning to feel a little unease creeping in.
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I'm beginning to feel a little unease creeping in.
Try some milk of magnesia before bedtime.
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The Heskey picture didn't add much to that post, I just noticed a new "Add image to post" icon and wanted to try it out.
Well, it's his birthday.
But you knew that! :)
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That Heskey header was fucking brilliant, he seemed to hang in the air for half a day.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
I'm sure we can work something out.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
Can we buy anyone from them then?...makes perfect sense
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We will take an IOU.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We will take an IOU.
An IOU one gutless crab? Nah, just leave him outside BH, someone will take him away.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
Maybe we should lend him to them for a trial in their next game?
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Atalanta are in for Gollini on loan apparently.
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Bit of a come down from Inter.
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Telegraph are reporting Schneiderlin has had a medical at Everton and is set to move. They add that it is likely to mean either or both Cleverley and McCarthy are shown the door.
I'm not keen on McCarthy for the fee and wages he will command and Cleverley was a shocker for us in all but half a dozen games - better at hiding than Lord Lucan.
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Bit of a come down from Inter.
They're above Inter in the league.
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At least Cleverley gave a damn. I remember for maybe six games there he was trying to keep us up more than many of our permanent players. I would be fine to see him back, mediocre perhaps but still an upgrade from most of what we currently have.
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After Lansbury we still need at least 1 if not 2 more central midfielders. Cleverly on loan would be a decent bit of business in this division. Hourihane amd Livermore would be my ideal, creativity and some legs. We have zero presence when Jedinak tires. Getting a real midfield unit in place will make us much better. I am not fussed about defence, but a pacey powerful forward would be ideal.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We are asking for a fee!
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At least Cleverley gave a damn. I remember for maybe six games there he was trying to keep us up more than many of our permanent players. I would be fine to see him back, mediocre perhaps but still an upgrade from most of what we currently have.
Cleverley due to have medical at Watford
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Cleverly would surely be on very strong money after leaving Man Utd on a free?
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I was reading in the Express and Star last night that Cissokho could be joining a Turkish team on loan with a view to a permanent deal
If true, I think that Amavi will therefore be staying
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We are asking for a fee!
Go on twitter look at Westwood and the comments when he signed a new Deal..
Cringeworthy
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We will take an IOU.
An IOU one gutless crab? Nah, just leave him outside BH, someone will take him away.
Out of order that is. he may not be a great player but he works hard and doesn't hide. He doesn't deserve that type of rhetoric.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We will take an IOU.
An IOU one gutless crab? Nah, just leave him outside BH, someone will take him away.
Out of order that is. he may not be a great player but he works hard and doesn't hide. He doesn't deserve that type of rhetoric.
Sorry mate, but "doesn't hide"? That's exactly what he does, hence why he has so few touches of the ball during a game and when we are on TV you hardly hear his name mentioned. That said, I agree there is no need for personal abuse.
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Definitely have Cleverley, our midfield has been pathetic for years - Since O'Neill left. Cleverley would be good at this level.
Cleverley and Lansbury is exactly the profile of player we need ahead of Jedinak. Especially with our attacking full-backs.
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Definitely have Cleverley, our midfield has been pathetic for years - Since O'Neill left. Cleverley would be good at this level.
I think so too, but apparently he's off to Watford on loan.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We will take an IOU.
An IOU one gutless crab? Nah, just leave him outside BH, someone will take him away.
Out of order that is. he may not be a great player but he works hard and doesn't hide. He doesn't deserve that type of rhetoric.
It isn't out of order. It's spot on. A gutless, hiding crab. Absolutely useless. He doesn't work hard. Those facts flying around after the Cardiff game leave him defenceless.
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The stuff about him and Gardner only touching the ball 10 times between them turned out not to be true didn't they?
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The stuff about him and Gardner only touching the ball 10 times between them turned out not to be true didn't they?
Oh right. From what I saw of that first half, it wasn't far off being right, however.
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We will take an IOU.
An IOU one gutless crab? Nah, just leave him outside BH, someone will take him away.
Out of order that is. he may not be a great player but he works hard and doesn't hide. He doesn't deserve that type of rhetoric.
It isn't out of order. It's spot on. A gutless, hiding crab. Absolutely useless. He doesn't work hard. Those facts flying around after the Cardiff game leave him defenceless.
Well then we disagree. I've watched Westwood and know his limitations, but not working hard isn't one of them, notwithstanding stats from 45 mins against Cardiff. I just think it is unnecessary to use that sort of language against a player whose only real crime is not being good enough (although seemingly has enough quality for 5 managers to consistently pick him).
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Twitter rumours that Lambert is interested in Westwood, but Wolves need to sell before being in a position to buy.
We will take an IOU.
An IOU one gutless crab? Nah, just leave him outside BH, someone will take him away.
Out of order that is. he may not be a great player but he works hard and doesn't hide. He doesn't deserve that type of rhetoric.
It isn't out of order. It's spot on. A gutless, hiding crab. Absolutely useless. He doesn't work hard. Those facts flying around after the Cardiff game leave him defenceless.
Well then we disagree. I've watched Westwood and know his limitations, but not working hard isn't one of them, notwithstanding stats from 45 mins against Cardiff. I just think it is unnecessary to use that sort of language against a player whose only real crime is not being good enough (although seemingly has enough quality for 5 managers to consistently pick him).
Disagreement is fine by me. I know you're a Westwood fan and I just can't see why. There is nothing to say to back him up in any way.
And the language used to 'abuse' this very poor footballer isn't really that bad in all fairness. At least compared to some of the abuse you see thrown around on pages like Twitter.
The five managers who have picked him, I'm not their greatest fans, either. I think Bruce has finally (hopefully seen the light).
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Westwood is utter shite, and Cleverly is almost as bad.
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I was a fan of Westwood at one time but he's so far off the form he once showed. Right now I couldn't argue against his detractors. He plays a role that is very much a thankless task (Petrov used to get a lot of criticism for that role too) so even if he was playing well, it most likely wouldn't be recognised.
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I was a fan of Westwood at one time but he's so far off the form he once showed. Right now I couldn't argue against his detractors. He plays a role that is very much a thankless task (Petrov used to get a lot of criticism for that role too) so even if he was playing well, it most likely wouldn't be recognised.
I agree. I also think there's a big difference between saying someone is a bit shit to calling them a spineless coward
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Anyone got Westwood's win percentage over the last 4 seasons when he starts for us?
It must be horrific reading.
His time is long since up here...I'd just loan him out for the rest of the season.
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Hardly spineless coward. I didn't see the Cardiff game, but I have seen an awful lot of Westwood both here and at Crewe, and he works hard in a thankless job. At both clubs he was surrounded by very average midfielders (Delph must be the best player he has been with over the past 7 seasons by miles, and he cant get a game), but what I have seen of him shows a hard working player that always looks for the ball, and wants to move it on. Works hard without the ball too, which has been thankless at both Villa and Crewe as we seem to like the opposition to keep the ball. Do I honestly think he is good enough for Villa, im struggling to say yes, however I cannot fault his work rate and attitude.
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Hardly spineless coward. I didn't see the Cardiff game, but I have seen an awful lot of Westwood both here and at Crewe, and he works hard in a thankless job. At both clubs he was surrounded by very average midfielders (Delph must be the best player he has been with over the past 7 seasons by miles, and he cant get a game), but what I have seen of him shows a hard working player that always looks for the ball, and wants to move it on. Works hard without the ball too, which has been thankless at both Villa and Crewe as we seem to like the opposition to keep the ball. Do I honestly think he is good enough for Villa, im struggling to say yes, however I cannot fault his work rate and attitude.
Agree with this.
I would add that I don't think he has progressed or learned to operate more effectively as a MF and that is why he doesn't make the grade: he appears to have reached the limit of his capabilities and this is not sufficient for us.
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His form this season has been awful, I think all the problems from last year have ruined his confidence completely.
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Meanwhile, in the transfer thread........................
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Anyone got Westwood's win percentage over the last 4 seasons when he starts for us?
I would imagine most of our players win percentages would be equally horrifc
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I agree with the last few comments. His confidence is shot which is a pretty important aspect if your strength, and role in the team, is to be constantly involved and to dictate the play.
There was a period at the end of Lambert's first season where he looked to have real potential however any swagger has long since departed and it would be better for everyone if he found another club where he could re-discover his purpose.
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Cleverley gone to Watford on-loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal. That's one ruled out, to Watford - unthinkable a couple of years ago...
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Cleverley played for Wigan, why is it unthinkable he'd go to Watford?
I don't think we were in for him and I'm glad we weren't, because he's absolute shite.
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Cleverley is a runaway Westwood.
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Cleverley gone to Watford on-loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal. That's one ruled out, to Watford - unthinkable a couple of years ago...
Watford is premier league...it's as simple as that. He actually played there years ago on loan.
It's the same with D*lph...I have no idea why people think he'd come back when he probably wouldn't want to and he'd also have a good 3-4 premier league clubs in for him.
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Cleverley played for Wigan, why is it unthinkable he'd go to Watford?
I don't think we were in for him and I'm glad we weren't, because he's absolute shite.
Yup. Legend in his own mind.
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He spent most of the season with us being worse than Westwood. Which is about as damning as it gets.
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I can not think of anyone who is available that I would want back.
Available being the key word. No one who has moved on, spunked out and now is available, please lets all ignore lazy links and bring some fresh blood.
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Anyone got Westwood's win percentage over the last 4 seasons when he starts for us?
2016/17 Started 17 won 2 Drawn 9 lost 6 win percentage 11.76 Team win percentage without him starting 75.00 (won 6/8)
2015/16 Started 31 won 3 drawn 6 lost 23 win percentage 9.67 Team win percentage without him starting 00.00 (won 0/7)
2014/15 Started 25 won 7 drawn 4 lost 14 win percentage 28.00 Team win percentage without him starting 23.07 (won 3/13)
2013/14 Started 35 won 8 drawn 8 lost 19 win percentage 22.85 Team win percentage without him starting 66.00 (won 2/3)
Total started 108 won 20 drawn 27 lost 61 win percentage 18.51 Team win percentage without him starting 29.26 (11/31)
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I think we have probably worked out now that Westwood is crap. Can we please move on? He needs replacing we get it. Never has such an invisible player yielded so much coverage.
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I think we have probably worked out now that Westwood is crap. Can we please move on? He needs replacing we get it. Never has such an invisible player yielded so much coverage.
Especially as this is the transfer thread!
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And when he's gone you can all move onto the next one.
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Cleverley played for Wigan, why is it unthinkable he'd go to Watford?
I don't think we were in for him and I'm glad we weren't, because he's absolute shite.
Yep, he's shit.
He managed about four half decent games for us, and since going to Everton has looked consistently shit.
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2016/17 Started 17 won 2 Drawn 9 lost 6 win percentage 11.76 Team win percentage without him starting 75.00 (won 6/8)
2015/16 Started 31 won 3 drawn 6 lost 23 win percentage 9.67 Team win percentage without him starting 00.00 (won 0/7)
2014/15 Started 25 won 7 drawn 4 lost 14 win percentage 28.00 Team win percentage without him starting 23.07 (won 3/13)
2013/14 Started 35 won 8 drawn 8 lost 19 win percentage 22.85 Team win percentage without him starting 66.00 (won 2/3)
Total started 108 won 20 drawn 27 lost 61 win percentage 18.51 Team win percentage without him starting 29.26 (11/31)
Disclaimer: I'm not a Westwood fan. I just find this type of individual player games win/lost stats totally meaningless, unless you compare with the stats of the other players - other midfielders, at the very least.
And even then, there's too many variables. Manager getting the gameplan totally wrong, keeper/defence or referee/lino f*ckups, attackers missing a sitter, quality/recent form of the opposition in the games a player is benched / injured vs when he's starting, and so on.
Looking at those stats, you could say that Westwood was the most important player at the club in 2015/16. After all, we didn't win a single game last season without him starting...
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2016/17 Started 17 won 2 Drawn 9 lost 6 win percentage 11.76 Team win percentage without him starting 75.00 (won 6/8)
2015/16 Started 31 won 3 drawn 6 lost 23 win percentage 9.67 Team win percentage without him starting 00.00 (won 0/7)
2014/15 Started 25 won 7 drawn 4 lost 14 win percentage 28.00 Team win percentage without him starting 23.07 (won 3/13)
2013/14 Started 35 won 8 drawn 8 lost 19 win percentage 22.85 Team win percentage without him starting 66.00 (won 2/3)
Total started 108 won 20 drawn 27 lost 61 win percentage 18.51 Team win percentage without him starting 29.26 (11/31)
Disclaimer: I'm not a Westwood fan. I just find this type of individual player games win/lost stats totally meaningless, unless you compare with the stats of the other players - other midfielders, at the very least.
And even then, there's too many variables. Manager getting the gameplan totally wrong, keeper/defence or referee/lino f*ckups, attackers missing a sitter, quality/recent form of the opposition in the games a player is benched / injured vs when he's starting, and so on.
Looking at those stats, you could say that Westwood was the most important player at the club in 2015/16. After all, we didn't win a single game last season without him starting...
You could look at it another way that would more directly related to him. In the games we lost and he didn't play, if he had of played would we have had a chance of winning and in the games he played and we lost, if he hadn't of played, would we have had a better chance of winning. In both scenarios, how much of an influence on the result was he. That is the issue with Westwood, he doesn't influence games. At this level with his experience he should be dominating the midfield. To be an effective midfield player, you have to pass and move. Westwood is too static.
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You could look at it another way that would more directly related to him. In the games we lost and he didn't play, if he had of played would we have had a chance of winning and in the games he played and we lost, if he hadn't of played, would we have had a better chance of winning. In both scenarios, how much of an influence on the result was he. That is the issue with Westwood, he doesn't influence games. At this level with his experience he should be dominating the midfield. To be an effective midfield player, you have to pass and move. Westwood is too static.
I don't disagree with anything in your post. I just disagree with the idea of using stats for a single player to prove / disprove a player's overall contribution to the team. As the old saying goes: there's three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies and statistics.
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I don't need statistics to tell me Westwood is absolutely shit, and won't take responsibility when called upon. Shuttle him to Wolverhampton at the speed of light, and let's try to forget he ever 'played' for Aston Villa.
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Do we not have a Westwood thread?
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I don't need statistics to tell me Westwood is absolutely shit, and won't take responsibility when called upon. Shuttle him to Wolverhampton at the speed of light, and let's try to forget he ever 'played' for Aston Villa.
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So while we are basically being buggered about with this Lansbury deal, one Derby still think they might pull off, Sheffield Wednesday have signed Winnall for 1.5m and look close to getting Hourihane for a million? We need to pull our fingers out and get 3 or 4 outfield players because we are not going to win many games minus a Kodjia without doing so.
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So while we are basically being buggered about with this Lansbury deal, one Derby still think they might pull off, Sheffield Wednesday have signed Winnall for 1.5m and look close to getting Hourihane for a million? We need to pull our fingers out and get 3 or 4 outfield players because we are not going to win many games minus a Kodjia without doing so.
This
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Nearly half the transfer window gone and we have sold a striker while we still needed him and brought in a goalkeeper on loan. This is starting to feel horribly Groundhog. For all our fannying about in the transfer market we seem to get twice as many Elphicks as Kodjias.
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I remember someone tweeting Dr Tony at the end of the last window pointing out that January could be a problem with the African Cup of Nations coming up.
He reassured everyone not to worry as there was a plan in place for that. I cannot believe that that plan was Gabby playing as a lone striker so what's gone on?
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Was it ever thus?
The players that we need, the ones that will improve us, will all be waiting to see if there is anything better on the horizon. The last few days will see all the action as they usually do.
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Just me I suppose but I fear the last minute trolley dash will have us at the check out without what we were actually trying to buy. Rather like Mario Ballotelli being sent out by his mother to buy an ironing board and coming back with a mountain bike.
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We are in the middle of a perfect storm. Rudy is not the man we needed and probably deserves to be starting somewhere, so when the offer of good money came in we had to take it. RHM was on the brink of getting his chance but has royally fucked himself over. McCormack hasnt worked out, which happens sometimes, you cant win them all. Our main MF target who we probably sounded out 6weeks ago has been stumped due to bad timing of the forest takeover. If there are a couple of good loan signings we can make we may have an outside push for the playoffs but I would save our money now and give Brucey the summer to sort things out. I dont want to see us in a 12m bidding war for Jeffrey Bloody Shlupp or paying 5-6m for Lansbury when he will be free in the summer. There is no value in January anyway and we have left ourselves a massive mountain to climb with the wrong manager appointed early on.
Write this season off. Let Bruce have the rest of the season to see who he can get a song out of and start again next year
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We have a good chance to get in the playoffs, let's go for it.
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We are now paying for season after season of neglect regarding a competitive midfield plus the fact that we appointed the wrong man in June. We were never going to get automatic promotion after one win in eleven. That also meant we had a real battle to make the play off places too. As others have said, it is probably better now to look at loans and build sensibly in the summer
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Get some players in. Get on a run. Get into the play-offs. Get back where we belong.
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Nearly half the transfer window gone and we have sold a striker while we still needed him and brought in a goalkeeper on loan. This is starting to feel horribly Groundhog. For all our fannying about in the transfer market we seem to get twice as many Elphicks as Kodjias.
I very much doubt it's a lack of trying.
Would have been nice to have gone into tomorrow's game with a couple of new players in though I must admit.
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Not sure a lot of deals get done in the first half of January anyway.
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Just me I suppose but I fear the last minute trolley dash will have us at the check out without what we were actually trying to buy. Rather like Mario Ballotelli being sent out by his mother to buy an ironing board and coming back with a mountain bike.
To be fair if that is a player analogy then it sounds like Mario Balotelli should be in charge of our scouting.
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Get some players in. Get on a run. Get into the play-offs. Get back where we belong.
In an ideal world. Just fear that we may end up buying a load of shit for exorbitant prices that we are then gonna have to try and shift next summer.
The only real criticism ive got of the Dr T regime is that there doesnt seem to be alot of thought put into the signings in the summer. The squad was left unbalanced, we were left with an inexperienced lad in goal, too many strikers with different styles, hangovers like agbonlahor and richards from previous regimes and a lack of real talent in the centre of midfield (although tshibola may turn out to be excellent)
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I think we all would have liked a couple of more faces in by now but it does sound like they're working on it.
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January is always the same, nothing happens until the last few days
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Selling clubs have the power and also the caution as everybody knows how hard it is to replace what you've got. No point buying for buying's sake, as we've got enough average players already.
I'd have liked the midfield sorted, but as others have said, its probably not going to happen until the last few days.
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They must have big plans if £1m Hourihane isn't being targeted. That seems a no-brainer signing especially for such a relative pittance. We've been playng with 3 midfielders under Bruce - assuming Lansbury comes in then right now its him, Tish and Jed with Gardner, Bacuna and Westwood as back-up for me.
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I thought that Tony had said (or at least indicated) that the club would be looking at MLS loans ?
If so, surely those could have been sorted by now
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Get some players in. Get on a run. Get into the play-offs. Get back where we belong.
I don't think Bruce trusting and testing the existing squad and going for the play-off are mutually exclusive options. The current bunch should have been there or thereabouts anyway so any potential signings should be considered against our long term targets rather than addressing short term, temporary problems (imo).
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There's no way Hourihane is going anywhere for 1 million
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He's out of contract in the summer so that's why he's cheap.
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Get some players in. Get on a run. Get into the play-offs. Get back where we belong.
I don't think Bruce trusting and testing the existing squad and going for the play-off are mutually exclusive options. The current bunch should have been there or thereabouts anyway so any potential signings should be considered against our long term targets rather than addressing short term, temporary problems (imo).
but that's the thing, if he doesn't get some reinforcements in midfield I think the months of tish being sidelined and the weeks of poor performances become even harder to accept.
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He's out of contract in the summer so that's why he's cheap.
He's still not going to go for a million i'm sure
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I don't get ,waiting till next season for a promotion push ,the payments for the relegated teams will have improved, making it more difficult. It is difficult to see how Dr Z is going to splash the cash again, maybe we should pick up a couple of young strong running midfielders from Div1 / Div 2, and try to slot them in now ,instead of crossing our fingers and waiting until the end of the transfer window. Surely if Lansbury can leave for nothing at the of the season, a deal could have been done by now, it's in everybody's best interests!
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I don't get ,waiting till next season for a promotion push ,the payments for the relegated teams will have improved, making it more difficult. It is difficult to see how Dr Z is going to splash the cash again, maybe we should pick up a couple of young strong running midfielders from Div1 / Div 2, and try to slot them in now ,instead of crossing our fingers and waiting until the end of the transfer window. Surely if Lansbury can leave for nothing at the of the season, a deal could have been done by now, it's in everybody's best interests!
The impending Forest takeover is holding up any transfer for Lansbury. Steve McClaren has said that himself as Derby are interested too. As for bringing in Div1/Div2 players, I think it would be a mistake to panic and bring in just anybody.
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if that were the case it's better to go for a couple of good loans if possible and keep our 'war chest' until the summer when Brucie has had the opportunity to properly scope out people who will fit the way he wants his team/ squad to play.
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Whilst there is still a chance that we might sneak a play off spot and potentially go up on the momentum being gained, we should spend the money and try to go for broke. It appears to me, the more time we spend in the Championship and the money drops, the harder it will be to compete with the teams coming down from the Premier League. Lansbury, Hourihane and Brady please. Striker on loan. Throw in the Barnsley full back too.
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Whilst there is still a chance that we might sneak a play off spot and potentially go up on the momentum being gained, we should spend the money and try to go for broke. It appears to me, the more time we spend in the Championship and the money drops, the harder it will be to compete with the teams coming down from the Premier League. Lansbury, Hourihane and Brady please. Striker on loan. Throw in the Barnsley full back too.
I remember this time last year when we could've gone for broke in an attempt to stay up and spent zero. Seems this years following a similar path
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Whilst there is still a chance that we might sneak a play off spot and potentially go up on the momentum being gained, we should spend the money and try to go for broke. It appears to me, the more time we spend in the Championship and the money drops, the harder it will be to compete with the teams coming down from the Premier League. Lansbury, Hourihane and Brady please. Striker on loan. Throw in the Barnsley full back too.
I remember this time last year when we could've gone for broke in an attempt to stay up and spent zero. Seems this years following a similar path
What makes you say that? The club have said they're trying to bring people in.
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Whilst there is still a chance that we might sneak a play off spot and potentially go up on the momentum being gained, we should spend the money and try to go for broke. It appears to me, the more time we spend in the Championship and the money drops, the harder it will be to compete with the teams coming down from the Premier League. Lansbury, Hourihane and Brady please. Striker on loan. Throw in the Barnsley full back too.
Reported that a PL club has bid £12m for Brady. Can we/do we want to match that?
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Whilst there is still a chance that we might sneak a play off spot and potentially go up on the momentum being gained, we should spend the money and try to go for broke. It appears to me, the more time we spend in the Championship and the money drops, the harder it will be to compete with the teams coming down from the Premier League. Lansbury, Hourihane and Brady please. Striker on loan. Throw in the Barnsley full back too.
Reported that a PL club has bid £12m for Brady. Can we/do we want to match that?
She's a shrewd businesswoman but it's a no from me.
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Whilst there is still a chance that we might sneak a play off spot and potentially go up on the momentum being gained, we should spend the money and try to go for broke. It appears to me, the more time we spend in the Championship and the money drops, the harder it will be to compete with the teams coming down from the Premier League. Lansbury, Hourihane and Brady please. Striker on loan. Throw in the Barnsley full back too.
Reported that a PL club has bid £12m for Brady. Can we/do we want to match that?
No. I don't think he's good enough for that money.
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Schlup note Brady are worth 12million. Hourihane amd Lansbury if we are seriously going for play offsome just pay an extra million and get them in, it would be that simple. The pair would be 5 million. Bruce needs to get his finger out and get some deals in. I know it's difficult in Jan but we have the clout to get things done faster than we are.
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£1m bid in for Hourihane apparently.
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Schlup note Brady are worth 12million. Hourihane amd Lansbury if we are seriously going for play offsome just pay an extra million and get them in, it would be that simple. The pair would be 5 million. Bruce needs to get his finger out and get some deals in. I know it's difficult in Jan but we have the clout to get things done faster than we are.
It's already been said that the Lansbury deal is being held up by the Forest takeover, so offering another million might not make much difference.
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Knowing how slow these takeovers can be, 're suitability etc it's easy to see how it might not be completed until after the deadline, leaving Lansbury a free agent I can't see how the present or future forest owners can benefit from that. Fwiw I have my doubts about Lansbury, he wouldn't be the first goalscoring Mf we've signed who fails to keep their goalscoring record going, once they step on the hallowed turf.
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£1m bid in for Hourihane apparently.
Source?
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£1m bid in for Hourihane apparently.
Source?
The Sun says we have offered to pay him £28,000 per week and have bid £1.25 million.
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Knowing how slow these takeovers can be, 're suitability etc it's easy to see how it might not be completed until after the deadline, leaving Lansbury a free agent I can't see how the present or future forest owners can benefit from that.
If they are at the final contract stage then they would not be able to buy or sell a player.
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Knowing how slow these takeovers can be, 're suitability etc it's easy to see how it might not be completed until after the deadline, leaving Lansbury a free agent I can't see how the present or future forest owners can benefit from that.
If they are at the final contract stage then they would not be able to buy or sell a player.
I don't think that's true, if the parties agree to it, why not?
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Hourihane and Lansbury providing some legs and creativity in front of Jedinak would give the midfield the impetus it's lacked for 6 years now.
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Knowing how slow these takeovers can be, 're suitability etc it's easy to see how it might not be completed until after the deadline, leaving Lansbury a free agent I can't see how the present or future forest owners can benefit from that.
If they are at the final contract stage then they would not be able to buy or sell a player.
I don't think that's true, if the parties agree to it, why not?
Quite right. As long as the relevant value is taken into account in the final consideration, why not? Do people think that companies stop trading when takeovers are going on?
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Hourihane and Lansbury providing some legs and creativity in front of Jedinak would give the midfield the impetus it's lacked for 6 years now.
I'm liking the look of this Fulham lad as well, although I confess to not knowing too much about him (or indeed the others) Save to say, they are stand out players in their respective sides and a massive upgrade on our existing midfield.
I can see Jedinak dropping down to the bench, if not this season, then certainly come August. He's not getting any younger and will be a useful squad member but I fear his days of being an automatic starter may well be numbered. I will of course be more than happy to be proven wrong.
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Hourihane and Lansbury providing some legs and creativity in front of Jedinak would give the midfield the impetus it's lacked for 6 years now.
Would be a cracking side with those two involved. Hope it gets done.
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I don't get ,waiting till next season for a promotion push ,the payments for the relegated teams will have improved, making it more difficult. It is difficult to see how Dr Z is going to splash the cash again, maybe we should pick up a couple of young strong running midfielders from Div1 / Div 2, and try to slot them in now ,instead of crossing our fingers and waiting until the end of the transfer window. Surely if Lansbury can leave for nothing at the of the season, a deal could have been done by now, it's in everybody's best interests!
Who's Dr Z? If anything iit has to be Dr X surely?
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Hourihane and Lansbury providing some legs and creativity in front of Jedinak would give the midfield the impetus it's lacked for 6 years now.
Would be a cracking side with those two involved. Hope it gets done.
Ditto that.
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Knowing how slow these takeovers can be, 're suitability etc it's easy to see how it might not be completed until after the deadline, leaving Lansbury a free agent I can't see how the present or future forest owners can benefit from that.
If they are at the final contract stage then they would not be able to buy or sell a player.
I don't think that's true, if the parties agree to it, why not?
Quite right. As long as the relevant value is taken into account in the final consideration, why not? Do people think that companies stop trading when takeovers are going on?
I suppose it also depends if both parties are happy to sell him.
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I've been banging on about Hourihane for months so hope to God this one comes off
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I've been banging on about Hourihane for months so hope to God this one comes off
We'll know who to blame if he's Westwood mk2 then won't we. Winkything
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Barnsley fans seem to think that Bree is excellent, don't seem quite as bothered about Hourihane though. Seems like half their squad is being sold, poor buggers.
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Barnsley fans seem to think that Bree is excellent, don't seem quite as bothered about Hourihane though. Seems like half their squad is being sold, poor buggers.
Surprising they're doing that, seeing as they got bonus £8m or so from John Stones move and they're in the mix.
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If any PL club come in (apart from maybe Hull) then I don't see matching a bid being successful. Not many players are going to trade a chance in the PL for a play off scrap.
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Hourihane to be paid £28k per week? I think Gabby is on double that! Crazy waste of money he's still on!
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Hourihane to be paid £28k per week? I think Gabby is on double that! Crazy waste of money he's still on!
Gabby was on less than that last season and everyone had relegation clauses.
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Hourihane has just changed the header picture on his twitter to an image of a lion 🦁 ............
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The Forest takeover is off, apparently.
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The Forest takeover is off, apparently.
If this is true, the deal should go through quickly.
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Hourihane and Lansbury, Jedinak sitting, with Grealish and Adomah wide. Kodjia up top.
Play offs easy peasy.
Normal back 5, unless we get Bree in too.
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The Forest takeover is off, apparently.
If this is true, the deal should go through quickly.
The Forest owner has released a statement now saying the takeover talks have broken down.
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Hourihane and Lansbury, Jedinak sitting, with Grealish and Adomah wide. Kodjia up top.
Play offs easy peasy.
Normal back 5, unless we get Bree in too.
We have to replace Hutton. He's utterly gash
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Hourihane has just changed the header picture on his twitter to an image of a lion 🦁 ............
Signing for Milwall, then.
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Hourihane has just changed the header picture on his twitter to an image of a lion 🦁 ............
Signing for Milwall, then.
Or just found a FIFA loophole and declared for Cameroon
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The Forest takeover has fallen through apparently. Hopefully it means we'll finally wrap up the Lansbury deal now.
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He comes across well on Twitter. Hopefully his Cork accent isn't too strong. Didn't realise he was in Sunderland youths when Bruce was there.
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The Forest takeover is off, apparently.
If this is true, the deal should go through quickly.
The Forest owner has released a statement now saying the takeover talks have broken down.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38518884
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Lansbury by end of the weekend surely
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£1m bid in for Hourihane apparently.
Source?
The Sun says we have offered to pay him £28,000 per week and have bid £1.25 million.
Erm, so again, source?
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Likely to be bollocks as it's in the Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rotherham-striker-dexter-blackstock-negotiating-9616291
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Same paper who had Winall to Wednesday first. There's also a Yorkshire based journo reporting it.
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Likely to be bollocks as it's in the Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rotherham-striker-dexter-blackstock-negotiating-9616291
Lansbury’s move could still go through, but it will need a licensed agent to sign it off.
I don't understand this bit. Are you obliged to have an agent? Can't you just sign the documents as yourself?
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You approach an agent first though. You can't approach a player.
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Hourihane and Lansbury, Jedinak sitting, with Grealish and Adomah wide. Kodjia up top.
Play offs easy peasy.
Normal back 5, unless we get Bree in too.
Get Bree in aswell as tHat still means Hutton's marauding runs down the right that endanger Row H of the Holte!
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Likely to be bollocks as it's in the Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rotherham-striker-dexter-blackstock-negotiating-9616291
Thank God for that. When I saw the link I thought we were in for Blackstock himself. Lansbury looks a right dick in that photo
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You approach an agent first though. You can't approach a player.
Gary Neville used to negotiate his own contracts at United. Given that he was a one club player who knows whether he would have been able to handle negotiations himself or not.
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Likely to be bollocks as it's in the Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rotherham-striker-dexter-blackstock-negotiating-9616291
Thank God for that. When I saw the link I thought we were in for Blackstock himself. Lansbury looks a right dick in that photo
Lansbury does seem like and act like a spunktrumpet but I think he's what we lack, someone who other teams hate. We've got Gardner and Westwood, two wet farts.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
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This Lansbury is a gobshite, isn't he? We're not The Rotters Club!
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We need gobshites. We've been far too nice for as long as I can remember.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Really like the look of that line up. Although I had Karen Brady down as more of a right winger.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Don't think Brady will come if rumours of £12m being spouted earlier in this thread are true
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£1m bid in for Hourihane apparently.
Source?
The Sun says we have offered to pay him £28,000 per week and have bid £1.25 million.
Erm, so again, source?
Erm.
Assuming you mean the original source as opposed to the news outlet, my best guess would be anybody who might benefit from the story, which would be the player's agent or the selling club's agents.
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Forest takeover has fallen through. No idea what that will mean for the Lansbury deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38518884
Nottingham Forest: Club's proposed American takeover falls through
Owner and chairman Fawaz Al Hasawi first revealed he would consider selling Nottingham Forest in March
Nottingham Forest's proposed takeover by a United States-based consortium led by John Jay Moores has collapsed, according to owner Fawaz Al Hasawi.
The Championship club, under a transfer embargo, had been in talks with the former owner of San Diego Padres.
However, Al Hasawi, who took control at the City Ground in 2012, says negotiations have "come to an end".
"A deal as it stands is not in the interests of the long-term future of our club," said the Kuwaiti.
"We feel strongly that we have acted in good faith on behalf of the club and its fans."
In October, it was reported that Moores, who had previously been interested in buying Premier League side Everton, was on the verge of securing a £50m deal to take an 80% stake in the East Midlands club.
The American was reportedly ready to finalise the deal on 22 December, but was waiting for final sign-off from Al Hasawi.
Two-time European Cup winners Forest are 20th in the Championship after 25 games, two points above the relegation places.
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The Lansbury saga is becoming a farce! First the takeover was blocking the move - that's collapsed, now the Blackstock glitch! You get the feeling this isn't destined to happen!
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Hard to know what this means, except that the players won't have any particularly boost ahead of tomorrow's game against Small Heath, unfortunately.
It could always be like the Ellis/Lerner sale where it was off one week then back on the next.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Don't think Brady will come if rumours of £12m being spouted earlier in this thread are true
If what Bruce says is true and we were after schlupp then he was the same price
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Who's playing Small Heath tomorrow?
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Who's playing Small Heath tomorrow?
Don't know , bet they all know who we are playing to a man.
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The Lansbury saga is becoming a farce! First the takeover was blocking the move - that's collapsed, now the Blackstock glitch! You get the feeling this isn't destined to happen!
With a comment like that, it's bound to happen over the weekend now.
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Hard to know what this means, except that the players won't have any particularly boost ahead of tomorrow's game against Small Heath, unfortunately.
It could always be like the Ellis/Lerner sale where it was off one week then back on the next.
Wouldn't a takeover falling through work in our favour, as they won't want to risk him leaving for free in the summer?
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If we finally get Lansbury and Hourihane and manage to get Brady all of a sudden we are a genuine goal that through the middle of the park. Keep in mind we are 6m up so far this Jan. If Westwood and Ayew were to leave then we could possibly end up having not spent much but be significantly stronger. Still need a pacey forward option too.
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We would also have several individual players capable of changing the game with a goal from nowhere, be quick on the break and tough to play against. Ayew and Westwood will certainly not be missed if they were to leave.
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Who's playing Small Heath tomorrow?
Don't know , bet they all know who we are playing to a man.
Nottingham Forest
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Like the look of that side at this level. Bit of flexibility in the midfield as well as Lansbury could play a bit further forward in some games.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Like the look of that side at this level. Bit of flexibility in the midfield as well as Lansbury could play a bit further forward in some games.
Is Brady really better than Grealish? Or the other 2 for that matter.
We have to be careful that we don't want changes, just for changes sake here.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Like the look of that side at this level. Bit of flexibility in the midfield as well as Lansbury could play a bit further forward in some games.
Is Brady really better than Grealish? Or the other 2 for that matter.
We have to be careful that we don't want changes, just for changes sake here.
He's a natural left sided player and would give us a balance that we have been missing.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Like the look of that side at this level. Bit of flexibility in the midfield as well as Lansbury could play a bit further forward in some games.
Is Brady really better than Grealish? Or the other 2 for that matter.
We have to be careful that we don't want changes, just for changes sake here.
He's a natural left sided player and would give us a balance that we have been missing.
Whilst I like the look of that team/formation, it does make Grealish and McCormack slightly redundant. That might be a sacrifice worth making, however the bigger point is we need to finally choose a system so that our recruitment can become more focused.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Like the look of that side at this level. Bit of flexibility in the midfield as well as Lansbury could play a bit further forward in some games.
Is Brady really better than Grealish? Or the other 2 for that matter.
We have to be careful that we don't want changes, just for changes sake here.
He's a natural left sided player and would give us a balance that we have been missing.
He plays predominately as a left back or a left sided midfielder, not as one of the front 3.
I'm yet to be convinced that he'd improve us, especially given the £12 million price tag quoted.
The front 3 in that line up looks less likely to get us goals than the front 3 we are currently lining up with and we could be £12 million worse off for the privilege.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Like the look of that side at this level. Bit of flexibility in the midfield as well as Lansbury could play a bit further forward in some games.
Is Brady really better than Grealish? Or the other 2 for that matter.
We have to be careful that we don't want changes, just for changes sake here.
He's a natural left sided player and would give us a balance that we have been missing.
Whilst I like the look of that team/formation, it does make Grealish and McCormack slightly redundant. That might be a sacrifice worth making, however the bigger point is we need to finally choose a system so that our recruitment can become more focused.
I think that it will be 433 long term. That renders McCormack redundant apart from cameo performances. There is still room for Grealish though.
Thus far, Bruce has been playing horses for courses, given the squad inherited. By the end of the month, we'll be seeing something like what to expect in terms of line ups.
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It looks like Lansbury will end up being filed away with Carlton Palmer, Steve Bull, Benni McCarthy and Juninho
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i might be wrong but couldnt Lansbury just sign a contract with us now anyway, but to start in June or July ?
That doesnt help us for this season but could be better than losing out altogether.
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Johnstone
Bree. Chester Baker. Amavi
Jedinak
Lansbury Hourihane
Adomah Brady
Kodjia
I like it!! Make it happen Dr Xia.
Like the look of that side at this level. Bit of flexibility in the midfield as well as Lansbury could play a bit further forward in some games.
Is Brady really better than Grealish? Or the other 2 for that matter.
We have to be careful that we don't want changes, just for changes sake here.
He's a natural left sided player and would give us a balance that we have been missing.
Whilst I like the look of that team/formation, it does make Grealish and McCormack slightly redundant. That might be a sacrifice worth making, however the bigger point is we need to finally choose a system so that our recruitment can become more focused.
You could always sacrifice Jedinak when needs be and play Grealish or McCormack in front of the other two.
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Yeah RDM did something similar. It took teams about 3 weeks to work out that they could over run us in midfield.
Its all about balance and Brady is not a left winger/left sided attacker. Simply being naturally left footed does not automatically qualify him for that role. The best left sided player that we've had in many a year was Ashley Young who is naturally right footed.
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Who's playing Small Heath tomorrow?
Don't know , bet they all know who we are playing to a man.
Nottingham Forest
Thanks but it was question raised after reading the post below from CD.
Hard to know what this means, except that the players won't have any particularly boost ahead of tomorrow's game against Small Heath, unfortunately.
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i might be wrong but couldnt Lansbury just sign a contract with us now anyway, but to start in June or July ?
That doesnt help us for this season but could be better than losing out altogether.
Lansbury doesn't appear to have a full deck having just appointed a current player as his agent!
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Yeah RDM did something similar. It took teams about 3 weeks to work out that they could over run us in midfield.
Its all about balance and Brady is not a left winger/left sided attacker. Simply being naturally left footed does not automatically qualify him for that role. The best left sided player that we've had in many a year was Ashley Young who is naturally right footed.
He might have played a number of positions in his career, but I've definitely seen him play on the left wing. Not saying it should be him, but I definitely think we need a left winger.
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Brady has been mentioned a number of times on here, but is he any good? In my mind he's just a younger McGeady.
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There's no chance of Brady or any PL player coming here so save your breath.
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Brady plays in the championship.
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There's no chance of Brady or any PL player coming here so save your breath.
Chester, Elphick, Johnstone, De Laet, Jedinak and Adomah have all signed from PL clubs this season, so to say there's no chance clearly isn't true.
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Difference being they were sold a promotion push in the summer. Now, that looks highly unlikely.
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We desperately need a midfield.
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We need a genuine pacey wide forward too. Quickly
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Do our players know the value of a derby game? Fucking wasters. Several of them need replacing. Get Lansbury and Hourihane in smartish
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Do our players know the value of a derby game? Fucking wasters. Several of them need replacing. Get Lansbury and Hourihane in smartish
It'll be too little too late. We are not going to finish in the top six. Our squad do not have the stomach for a fight. I think we're in for a long stay in this division.
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With this team the way it is, I don't want us to reach the play-offs. That's just a target to keep us honest from now on anyway. What I do want is for there to be a point to watching Aston Villa other than out of bloody-mindedness.
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If you were the Barnsley lad, would you choose Villa having just watched that or a Wednesday team 5 points clear of 7th?
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If you were the Barnsley lad, would you choose Villa having just watched that or a Wednesday team 5 points clear of 7th?
It's a good point. I just hope these potential players see Bruce and salary as important factors in any deal. Bloody hope so anyway!
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If you were the Barnsley lad, would you choose Villa having just watched that or a Wednesday team 5 points clear of 7th?
Probably largely depends on who offers him the best contract.
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Quick - check his Twitter a/c to see if that Lion's head is still on there !
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On potential additions…
We can’t keep adding surgery because that is what we’ve done in the past.
We’ll work with what we’ve got, try to make us better and get away from this mentality.
Awp.
Link (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/14/bruce-post-wolves)
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Bruce did say in the post match interview on Sky that the Lansbury situation should unfold next week, although Forest have sacked their manager.....does that complicate the situation further? Reports are that Lansbury wants out anyway.
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On potential additions…
We can’t keep adding surgery because that is what we’ve done in the past.
We’ll work with what we’ve got, try to make us better and get away from this mentality.
Awp.
Link (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/14/bruce-post-wolves)
See, I agree with the sentiment, I just think a guy who thinks Gabby is worthy of starting might not be the right person for that approach.
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Bruce did say in the post match interview on Sky that the Lansbury situation should unfold next week, although Forest have sacked their manager.....does that complicate the situation further? Reports are that Lansbury wants out anyway.
I suspect that means the takeover will be back on again shortly.
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Quick - check his Twitter a/c to see if that Lion's head is still on there !
If he's wise he'll change it to an owl. See what I did there?
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On potential additions…
We can’t keep adding surgery because that is what we’ve done in the past.
We’ll work with what we’ve got, try to make us better and get away from this mentality.
Awp.
Link (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/14/bruce-post-wolves)
See, I agree with the sentiment, I just think a guy who thinks Gabby is worthy of starting might not be the right person for that approach.
Th Sentiment of Adding Surgery sounds like the title of a surrealist play by Antonin Artaud. The Theater of Cruelty writ large.
I agree that subtracting Gabriel from the cast would be a good move.
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What does adding surgery mean?
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Seldom has so much been spent on so little. unless we sign what we so desperately need and have needed for years we going to struggle. I don't think I can be bothered to attend for the next two home games
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I see Forest have sacked their manager now.
The Lansbury thing is destined to not happen, isn't it?
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I see Forest have sacked their manager now.
The Lansbury thing is destined to not happen, isn't it?
Rowett to take over, potentially? No money if no takeover, so is our Villa fan got enough credibility to be able to keep players? I suspect he might have to wheel and deal. If of course Rowett, really wants that gig.
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I see Forest have sacked their manager now.
The Lansbury thing is destined to not happen, isn't it?
Rowett to take over, potentially? No money if no takeover, so is our Villa fan got enough credibility to be able to keep players? I suspect he might have to wheel and deal. If of course Rowett, really wants that gig.
Rowett will not go near them under fawaz. Lansbury will be sorted this week, there's no way fawaz will run risk of losing £3m on a player who doesn't want to play and out of contract in 6 months
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Lansbury would have made a big difference yesterday. Somebody breaking forwards and changing the angles for Adomah, Green, Bacuna etc and actually posing a threat.
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Talk of £10m for Rhodes, would be a terrible signing for this team, another immobile donkey waiting for chances put on a plate for him in the 6 yard box. We need someone up top with presence and a but of pace would help too.
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Bruce must get at least two midfielders in this window. A striker is a must also - what if Kodjia gets an injury in Africa? The timing of Gestede's departure is baffling. We've taken the £6M and left ourselves short, which is poor planning.
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Lansbury would have made a big difference yesterday. Somebody breaking forwards and changing the angles for Adomah, Green, Bacuna etc and actually posing a threat.
Yup. And I have the feeling he may unlock McCormack.
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Can anyone tell me when the earliest Kodjia and Ayew could be back and worse case scenario if their respective sides played in the final, the latest? Also is anyone televising the games so we can check on form etc?
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Bruce must get at least two midfielders in this window. A striker is a must also - what if Kodjia gets an injury in Africa? The timing of Gestede's departure is baffling. We've taken the £6M and left ourselves short, which is poor planning.
Gestede would have made zero difference yesterday, it was a good bit of business to get our money back.
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I don't give a shit who we sign now. The season's over.
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I don't give a shit who we sign now. The season's over.
Correct, we're crap. Hopefully no over the top panic signings wasting even more money again. If we can't get the right players at the right price it's not worth it.
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We need a Tom Ince type player way more than a Jordan Rhodes.
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We need a Tom Ince type player way more than a Jordan Rhodes.
Yes, agree. Derby have Ince and Will Hughes. Two excellent skilful midfielders. Lansbury and Hourihane would be virtually equal to that.
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I hope he goes in for Hernandez, watched him on motd powerful running at defenders giving them a torrid time
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I don't give a shit who we sign now. The season's over.
Correct, we're crap. Hopefully no over the top panic signings wasting even more money again. If we can't get the right players at the right price it's not worth it.
Dont forget, they did that last year when we were 10 points adrift from safety and got hammered for it.
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There is as much chance of getting Hernandez specially after his two goals yesterday as signing Messi.
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I don't give a shit who we sign now. The season's over.
Correct, we're crap. Hopefully no over the top panic signings wasting even more money again. If we can't get the right players at the right price it's not worth it.
Dont forget, they did that last year when we were 10 points adrift from safety and got hammered for it.
Our premier league survival was at stake, hundreds of millions of pounds, they were intent on simply signing no one and that was it. Garde even said the players he suggested they didn't bother to contact. It was more to do with not spending any money at all than spending on the right players. Talk of Rhodes, that's the kind of money being pissed up the wall signing I don't want to see happen.
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Bruce must get at least two midfielders in this window. A striker is a must also - what if Kodjia gets an injury in Africa? The timing of Gestede's departure is baffling. We've taken the £6M and left ourselves short, which is poor planning.
Gestede would have made zero difference yesterday, it was a good bit of business to get our money back.
Whilst I agree, I do think we sold him too early in the window.
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Although if it meant Agbonlahor not playing, I could live with it.
What sort of message does it send out to our younger players when that ****** gets in the team after all the shit he's delivered in the last half a decade?
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The time to have moved for Rhodes was about 4 seasons ago when he was scoring goals for fun.
Now our priority is to get some creativity and steel in our midfield, and maybe go for youth up front.
I refuse to write off this season, but we need to find a shape that works quickly. The key thing is to finish the season with a strong run in.
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Gestede for all his limitations has proved on numerous occasions this season that he can come on with half an hour left and cause a nuisance. We've fucked up. £6m is good money no doubt but we've made an arrogant decision thinking we can muddle through with fatty, who should have been bombed out of this club.
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Although if it meant Agbonlahor not playing, I could live with it.
What sort of message does it send out to our younger players when that c*** gets in the team after all the shit he's delivered in the last half a decade?
A dreadful one and probably why RHM wants out. I wouldn't blame him either.
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We need a Tom Ince type player way more than a Jordan Rhodes.
Really? Haven't we got enough wide attacking players but are without a centre forward worthy the name?
It's worth giving Green a run.
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Gestede for all his limitations has proved on numerous occasions this season that he can come on with half an hour left and cause a nuisance. We've fucked up. £6m is good money no doubt but we've made an arrogant decision thinking we can muddle through with fatty, who should have been bombed out of this club.
Yup. Gestede was the sub coming on in all of our matches that we "turned around or saved" at VP this season.
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The teams that tend to go up are those that have been together for more than a season. If we want to go up next season then we need to start building from now so yes, absolutely we should be looking to buy now to bed the right players in. If its Hourihane and Lansbury then let's pursue them and get them in. Also, a forward is a must. Quite simply we do not have a centre-forward. We need a number 9 to bring the likes of McCormack, Ayew et al in. An out and out goalscorer is preferable but I think even a Steven Fletcher would link the forward and midfield up. He would also be ideal for a Grealish looking for a runner - it would allow Ayew/McCormack/Kodjia top make that run.
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Gestede for all his limitations has proved on numerous occasions this season that he can come on with half an hour left and cause a nuisance. We've fucked up. £6m is good money no doubt but we've made an arrogant decision thinking we can muddle through with fatty, who should have been bombed out of this club.
Yup. Gestede was the sub coming on in all of our matches that we "turned around or saved" at VP this season.
Sneer all you like but he's got a point, Gestede was a threat off the bench but we let him walk practically as the new year bells were ringing. Meanwhile we lose 2 strikers to international duty and all our outfield targets are playing hardball with us. It's amateurish.
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Yes the timing is woeful.
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Plenty of strikers out there we could maybe attract.
Vokes, Ighalo, Hernandez, Ulloa, Long, Afobe, Crouch, Kone, Bojan... Even more ambitious Berahino, Dembele.
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Out of those and in the real world:
Vokes, Hernandez, Long, Crouch
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Crouch signed a new contract at Stoke last week
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Crouch won't be going anywhere till he's got his 100th PL goal. Can't see him dropping down a league in January anyway.
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Plenty of strikers out there we could maybe attract.
Vokes, Ighalo, Hernandez, Ulloa, Long, Afobe, Crouch, Kone, Bojan... Even more ambitious Berahino, Dembele.
The only one of those who would possibly be attracted to leave the Premier League for the Championship is Vokes.
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Yeah, I know that and it's unlikely that he'll move. BUT if Stoke did get Berahino then they may let him go on loan and he may agree if the likelihood of getting any minutes were significantly reduced for a bit part player.
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Plenty of strikers out there we could maybe attract.
Vokes, Ighalo, Hernandez, Ulloa, Long, Afobe, Crouch, Kone, Bojan... Even more ambitious Berahino, Dembele.
The only one of those who would possibly be attracted to leave the Premier League for the Championship is Vokes.
Anyone who we could give a significant pay increase would consider it. I don't know the ins and outs but I can't imagine any of them are earning what we can pay. Except maybe Long, Crouch and Bojan.
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From what I have seen this season I think there are only 2 players that could do a good job for us in the premiership...kodija and Chester. ..a couple of others are possibles...amavi and grealish....ones for the bench maybe...baker and adomah....the keeper still remains to be seen but I am hopeful he could make it. Instead of making 6 average championship signings i'd much rather we made a couple of signings in January that can perform at premiership standard and then another 2 maybe 3 in the summer. We have signed enough shit in the last few years to clog up an entire sewage works.
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Gestede for all his limitations has proved on numerous occasions this season that he can come on with half an hour left and cause a nuisance. We've fucked up. £6m is good money no doubt but we've made an arrogant decision thinking we can muddle through with fatty, who should have been bombed out of this club.
Yup. Gestede was the sub coming on in all of our matches that we "turned around or saved" at VP this season.
Sneer all you like but he's got a point, Gestede was a threat off the bench but we let him walk practically as the new year bells were ringing. Meanwhile we lose 2 strikers to international duty and all our outfield targets are playing hardball with us. It's amateurish.
Sneer??
I am agreeing with aj2k77 and actually stating a fact.
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I would prefer no transfer interference, see the season out and let Bruce taking his time to bring in players he actually wants. At best we will finish 8th or 9th.
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I would prefer no transfer interference, see the season out and let Bruce taking his time to bring in players he actually wants. At best we will finish 8th or 9th.
I disagree mate. We need to stop this rot and sooner, rather than later. The market we are going to be in, in the summer is identical to the one we're in now (ie looking at fellow championship clubs players or PL players who can't get a game) Lansbury & Hourihane are going to look as good in the summer as they are now. If there's a chance of getting them in then we should do it now. Both are going to be more attractive in the summer, when they are free agents.
We also need a striker now as well.
I can live with other positions remaining as they are until next season but we really need a base to work from asap. As someone else pointed out, all of these sides in the top 7 are stable sides who have been together for a season or 2. I'd rather 3 or 4 now and the same in the summer, rather than another 8 in the summer. I'd also like a few out now.
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Players who we have been looking at who could improve us (Lansbury/ Houlihane) are going to have better offers than signing for a team that has only a tiny chance of possibly making the playoffs.
The only reason they would sign for us now is because we would pay them loads of ££££££'s.
That's what got us into this shit in the first place!
I'd rather keep our powder dry and give Bruce the time to scout EXACTLY the right type of players he wants and try again next season.
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Alan Nixon says we're after Adlene Guediora from Watford.
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Players who we have been looking at who could improve us (Lansbury/ Houlihane) are going to have better offers than signing for a team that has only a tiny chance of possibly making the playoffs.
The only reason they would sign for us now is because we would pay them loads of ££££££'s.
That's what got us into this shit in the first place!
I'd rather keep our powder dry and give Bruce the time to scout EXACTLY the right type of players he wants and try again next season.
What better offers? If a PL team comes in for them, they are likely to accept that. If a championship team comes in for them, we have as good a chance as anyone, other than Newcastle or Brighton. I doubt a player will make a decision based purely on a team being (currently) top 6.
Waiting until the summer places in the same position that we have been in for the past 2 seasons-Mass changes and half a season for the players to bed in and settle. We need to start preparing for next season NOW, not in 4 or 5 months time.
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Sorry if this has been mentioned before but I'm not trawling back - what's happened to the loan signing(s) the Doctor referred to, to get us through the AFCON period?
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Alan Nixon says we're after Adlene Guediora from Watford.
Another AFCON player. Puzzling but if he's cheap maybe
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Sorry if this has been mentioned before but I'm not trawling back - what's happened to the loan signing(s) the Doctor referred to, to get us through the AFCON period?
I'm not aware that he did refer to any loan signings. We have lost one starter for a few games, that's all.
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I am sure I read a Tweet purportedly from Dr X that mentioned using loans. but then, we have loaned Johnstone, haven't we? Let's hope they're busily working on more after what SB said about being poor all across the side on Saturday. So he doesn't really think much of what he's got to work with, does he ? Nor us.
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Didn't the good doctor say they were working on 7 or 8 all told and if they got three in that would be good, four would be great? So one down and 2 or 3 to go, and it's clear we're working hard on some and have strong rumours connecting us to others. As others have said, most transfer window activity ramps up towards the end just before the "window slams shut", and other factors like the collapse of the Forest takeover are frustrating progress. At least Bruce has seen that Westwood and Gardner aren't up to it, but the timing of selling Gestede and his persistence with Flabby are both puzzling, although the latter is now dictated by force of circumstances. The sooner we get some decent midfielders in, and the sooner Kodjia gets back from ACON, the better, and we can start to jettison the likes of Westwood, Gardner, Flabby et al for good. I still think top 6 is a fading target for this season, but this window and the summer one are critical if we're to mount a strong challenge next season.
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I am sure I read a Tweet purportedly from Dr X that mentioned using loans. but then, we have loaned Johnstone, haven't we? Let's hope they're busily working on more after what SB said about being poor all across the side on Saturday. So he doesn't really think much of what he's got to work with, does he ? Nor us.
At the start of the season, when RDM was at the helm, the Dr tweeted something about having "contingency" plans for the ACN. He wasn't specific about those plans and certainly didn't specify loaning strikers in. It is irrelevant now in any case because whatever plans were laid with RDM ended when he was sacked.
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Play Green and RHM next week. Certainly drop Gabby! Why is it that successive Villa managers tend to ignore the promising youngsters at the club? Callum Robinson has 7 goals at Preston this season and is looking a really good young striker now.
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Adlene Guedioura mentioned in the bun for £3 mill.
he is at the African Cup of Nations.
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not much use right now then
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Well, no. But we can't sign him after the tournament as the transfer window will have closed.
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Always thought he was pretty poor if he's the bloke who was at Wolves. He struck me as El-Ahmadi light.
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From The Scum
Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce is making a £3 million move for Watford’s Algerian star Adlene Guedioura in a massive shake-up.
Bruce hopes to agree a fee with the Hornets and sort out personal terms in long-distance talks, with Guedioura at the African Cup of Nations
Guedioura has been in and out of the Watford side and the arrival of Tom Cleverley pushes him further down the pecking order.
Now, if we are being linked with a player who is being pushed down the pecking order by Tom Fucking Cleverly, then I truly despair.
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That made me laugh, in such a sad way!! :'(
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I am sure I read a Tweet purportedly from Dr X that mentioned using loans. but then, we have loaned Johnstone, haven't we? Let's hope they're busily working on more after what SB said about being poor all across the side on Saturday. So he doesn't really think much of what he's got to work with, does he ? Nor us.
At the start of the season, when RDM was at the helm, the Dr tweeted something about having "contingency" plans for the ACN. He wasn't specific about those plans and certainly didn't specify loaning strikers in. It is irrelevant now in any case because whatever plans were laid with RDM ended when he was sacked.
It's beginning to look like that plan was Agbonlahor.
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Play Green and RHM next week. Certainly drop Gabby! Why is it that successive Villa managers tend to ignore the promising youngsters at the club? Callum Robinson has 7 goals at Preston this season and is looking a really good young striker now.
With our lack of pace I was amazed he was discarded so fast last summer. He and Daniel Johnson would walk into the side now.
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I'm not overly concerned, regarding our position in the league, at the moment.
If we're honest the play offs is what we'll be aiming at.
To my knowledge there is always a team that hits form and makes a surge towards the end of the season and nip into the play offs.
10 points isn't a great gap in the grand scheme of things.
Whether we're that team is to be seen.
Let's see what January brings
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I wouldn't get too worked up over links to be honest, a lot of them turn out to be bollocks.
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Steve Bruce does not do young and inexperienced. He prefers slow and steady, no excessive risk options. He does not scoop up points he grinds them out. Thud and blunder. Bump and grind is the Bruce way.
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I'm not overly concerned, regarding our position in the league, at the moment.
If we're honest the play offs is what we'll be aiming at.
To my knowledge there is always a team that hits form and makes a surge towards the end of the season and nip into the play offs.
10 points isn't a great gap in the grand scheme of things.
Whether we're that team is to be seen.
Let's see what January brings
That's how I see it.
Couple of decent signings and Kodjia back then we can have a decent crack at it.
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Steve Bruce does not do young and inexperienced. He prefers slow and steady, no excessive risk options. He does not scoop up points he grinds them out. Thud and blunder. Bump and grind is the Bruce way.
Which is strange in a way Brian considering he played in a team that contained arguably the best influx of youth team players making the step up to become first team regulars that has been produced in modern times. You would think he'd see the benefits.
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Can't say Guedioura ever impressed me...seemed to be years at Wolves and now Watford without actually playing that much.
Hopefully he's just plan B to Lansbury and Hourihane.
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I'm not overly concerned, regarding our position in the league, at the moment.
If we're honest the play offs is what we'll be aiming at.
To my knowledge there is always a team that hits form and makes a surge towards the end of the season and nip into the play offs.
10 points isn't a great gap in the grand scheme of things.
Whether we're that team is to be seen.
Let's see what January brings
Out of interest, does anyone know
1) points total to finish 6th over last 3 years
2) What's the biggest gap that's been clawed back by a side that's snuck into the play offs
(I'm too lazy to look it up myself)
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With the Forest takeover now collapsed I'd expect to see Lansbury here stretching the shirt either tomorrow or Tuesday.
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I'm not overly concerned, regarding our position in the league, at the moment.
If we're honest the play offs is what we'll be aiming at.
To my knowledge there is always a team that hits form and makes a surge towards the end of the season and nip into the play offs.
10 points isn't a great gap in the grand scheme of things.
Whether we're that team is to be seen.
Let's see what January brings
The way we have been playing for the last month is the type of form you do not turn around in a couple of weeks. Particularly as we seem to be set in a system that creates the square root of f*** all.
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Sadly we are now rebuilding for next season, the Playoff ship has sailed for this season. Take our time, no panic buys we need to get the right personnel in that are going to serve us for the next 3 years and build a team ready to compete in the Premier League. Steve Bruce's system works, he will get us promoted next season let's show a bit of patience.
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Am I right in thinking Lansbury has in effect gone on strike at Forest? Sounds like just the sort of character our shower of shite are crying out for.
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We should only ever be looking for sensible buys anyway but a win or two and everyone will be talking about a run at the play-offs.
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Steve Bruce does not do young and inexperienced. He prefers slow and steady, no excessive risk options. He does not scoop up points he grinds them out. Thud and blunder. Bump and grind is the Bruce way.
Which is strange in a way Brian considering he played in a team that contained arguably the best influx of youth team players making the step up to become first team regulars that has been produced in modern times. You would think he'd see the benefits.
That was an exceptional group and something that hasn't been repeated since, at least in this country.
Personally, I'd start green against Preston, but I don't think our problems will be solved by the youth team. And even those Man Utd kids emerged into a team with Cantona, Pallister, Keane, Cole and Irwin.
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Lansbury and Hourihane in front of Jedinak in a 3 will give us such a different look, simply because they are genuinely forward thinking players. I am disappointed we did not have them ready to sign 2 weeks ago. Round is employed to sort things like that out.
The ex Wolves guy I don't get at all. 3m at 31 and not back for 6 weeks. Almost as stupid as resurrecting Gabby. Oh shit.
I want Sako from Palace. Proven at this level and has some pace.
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I can't explain it. It is just Bruce's way. No frills, nothing fancy, just a job of work. That is why I am confident he will get us back up one day. He is workmanlike.
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I know I should not get pissed off by links, but in the absence of other rumors,
We want the guy from Watford who is being replaced by Cleverlly.
Hang on, most of us did not want Cleverlly back, but we are interested in the guy that he is pushing down the pecking order at Watford !
I would have imagined with our glaring shortfalls we would have done more by now than bring in an on loan GK
God, it is frustrating being a Villa fan.
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Lansbury and Hourihane in front of Jedinak in a 3 will give us such a different look, simply because they are genuinely forward thinking players. I am disappointed we did not have them ready to sign 2 weeks ago. Round is employed to sort things like that out.
The ex Wolves guy I don't get at all. 3m at 31 and not back for 6 weeks. Almost as stupid as resurrecting Gabby. Oh shit.
I want Sako from Palace. Proven at this level and has some pace.
For that to happen Jedinak needs to massively up his game. He isn't breaking up play and his distribution is diabolical.
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Steve Bruce does not do young and inexperienced. He prefers slow and steady, no excessive risk options. He does not scoop up points he grinds them out. Thud and blunder. Bump and grind is the Bruce way.
Which is strange in a way Brian considering he played in a team that contained arguably the best influx of youth team players making the step up to become first team regulars that has been produced in modern times. You would think he'd see the benefits.
That was an exceptional group and something that hasn't been repeated since, at least in this country.
Personally, I'd start green against Preston, but I don't think our problems will be solved by the youth team. And even those Man Utd kids emerged into a team with Cantona, Pallister, Keane, Cole and Irwin.
Schmeichel, McClair, Ince, Bruce...
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Lansbury and Hourihane in front of Jedinak in a 3 will give us such a different look, simply because they are genuinely forward thinking players. I am disappointed we did not have them ready to sign 2 weeks ago. Round is employed to sort things like that out.
The ex Wolves guy I don't get at all. 3m at 31 and not back for 6 weeks. Almost as stupid as resurrecting Gabby. Oh shit.
I want Sako from Palace. Proven at this level and has some pace.
For that to happen Jedinak needs to massively up his game. He isn't breaking up play and his distribution is diabolical.
He's trying to do too much. Put 2 players that can run and pass with him. Wednesday fans reckon Hourihane is nailed on for them. Losing out to Wednesday for players would be a real wake up call.
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Steve Bruce does not do young and inexperienced. He prefers slow and steady, no excessive risk options. He does not scoop up points he grinds them out. Thud and blunder. Bump and grind is the Bruce way.
Pretty sure Mignolet and Henderson were his big successes at Sunderland. Robbie Brady at Hull. Maybe a little unfair on Bruce, didn't he bring the likes of Valencia and Palacious for chump change at Wigan too.
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Lansbury and Hourihane in front of Jedinak in a 3 will give us such a different look, simply because they are genuinely forward thinking players. I am disappointed we did not have them ready to sign 2 weeks ago. Round is employed to sort things like that out.
The ex Wolves guy I don't get at all. 3m at 31 and not back for 6 weeks. Almost as stupid as resurrecting Gabby. Oh shit.
I want Sako from Palace. Proven at this level and has some pace.
For that to happen Jedinak needs to massively up his game. He isn't breaking up play and his distribution is diabolical.
He's trying to do too much. Put 2 players that can run and pass with him. Wednesday fans reckon Hourihane is nailed on for them. Losing out to Wednesday for players would be a real wake up call.
Not necessarily. It might just mean his family are settled in South Yorkshire.
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Even if they are, to lose out to a club that until 18 months ago have been pretty diabolical for years wold show where we are. Type of deal that should not have got to where we are, we should have moved heaven and earth for the 2 of them in the first couple of days of the window.
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Reports on SKY suggesting that Patrick Bamford is available on loan. Surely would be worth it until the end of the season?
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Reports on SKY suggesting that Patrick Bamford is available on loan. Surely would be worth it until the end of the season?
20 games and no goals in two years, the exact sort of transfer we make that ends up being shit and costing us cash.
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If I was looking for a striker I'd be testing the Forest owners resolve for getting a few quid in after the takeover failed & trying for Assombalonga in a double deal with Lansbury.
If we could find a striker similar in mentality to Mirallas that would be great too :-)
As I've now pretty much given up on top 6 I'd be quite happy if the next fortnight was a revolving door to get a good few in / out with the proviso that this is an 18 month run at promotion....if McCormack, Ayew & Amavi were all sold I wouldn't bat an eyelid, in fact Chester, Baker & Kodjia would be the only ones I'd not consider selling :-) - the more we do now then the summer is about tinkering not wholesale surgery & of course getting the lot of them FIT!
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Watching Fiorintina Vs Juventus, the right back for Fiorintina had a superb game. Good in the tackle, nothing got by him, tons of energy up and down the flank and puts in a decent cross.
Carlos Sanchez his name!
Looks a stone lighter and fit as a fiddle. We just don't train them right!!!
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And he's playing right back? Is MON in charge?
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Watching Fiorintina Vs Juventus, the right back for Fiorintina had a superb game. Good in the tackle, nothing got by him, tons of energy up and down the flank and puts in a decent cross.
Carlos Sanchez his name!
Looks a stone lighter and fit as a fiddle. We just don't train them right!!!
Yeah, it's gotten to the point where I think any player who shows improvement while playing for us has probably done so in spite of us, not because of us.
There are probably a bunch of parallel universes out there where many of the various crap players who have turned out for us in the past few years are perfectly competent Premier League players.
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Steve Bruce does not do young and inexperienced. He prefers slow and steady, no excessive risk options. He does not scoop up points he grinds them out. Thud and blunder. Bump and grind is the Bruce way.
Which is strange in a way Brian considering he played in a team that contained arguably the best influx of youth team players making the step up to become first team regulars that has been produced in modern times. You would think he'd see the benefits.
That was an exceptional group and something that hasn't been repeated since, at least in this country.
Personally, I'd start green against Preston, but I don't think our problems will be solved by the youth team.
Brian, give us a wave, Brian Brian give us a wave.
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*waving*. a Green won't let you down.
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Good morning Mr Green.
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Good morning Mr Malandro. Egrets keeping you awake I take it? Must not wander off topic. Buy somebody!
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Good morning Mr Malandro. Egrets keeping you awake I take it? Must not wander off topic. Buy somebody!
I've just bought a £500 wacker for our young builder, don't think it helps the villa
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Watching Fiorintina Vs Juventus, the right back for Fiorintina had a superb game. Good in the tackle, nothing got by him, tons of energy up and down the flank and puts in a decent cross.
Carlos Sanchez his name!
Looks a stone lighter and fit as a fiddle. We just don't train them right!!!
Speaking to a Fiorentina fan yesterday about Snchez and he said he started well but has been pretty average since then.
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Pretty soon we will be left with just one left back with cissokho about to leave, the one we are left with cannot defend so really hope that area of the team will be sorted this window.
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Loaning Aly out seems a strange one to me.
Amavi is fine going forward but his defending was woeful on Saturday. Yes, he had one great run skipping over/past a few tackles but their right-side when past him on several occasions.
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Two home games on the bounce now. We will be re-energized and optimistic of reaching the playoffs again if we could win both. Bruce will know this but Preston will be confident and up for it, therefore, I think we HAVE to do business this week to blow some confidence through the team and the fans. I don't think Bruce or Xia will raise the white flag just yet.
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I think we will do some business. if you don't have a goalscoring number 9 then you need runners from midfield. We have neither. We have 4 days to put at least part of that right and if we don't get two in I'd be a little surprised. one definitely. Lansbury is starting to have the Hoolihan feel to it but luckily Forest can't hold us at gunpoint knowing that he has only 6 months left on his contract. Hourihane seems to be going to, and hopefully Bree and a forward are getting closer. We need it because Preston could become pivotal to our season, and Bruce's fortunes, twice in one season.
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Loaning Aly out seems a strange one to me.
Amavi is fine going forward but his defending was woeful on Saturday. Yes, he had one great run skipping over/past a few tackles but their right-side when past him on several occasions.
Not convinced Amavi has put in a full shift since Dr T spoke about rejecting a big bid...particularly defensively he had started to look a bit better but has reverted to someone who is 100% not risking getting hurt
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Two home games on the bounce now. We will be re-energized and optimistic of reaching the playoffs again if we could win both. Bruce will know this but Preston will be confident and up for it, therefore, I think we HAVE to do business this week to blow some confidence through the team and the fans. I don't think Bruce or Xia will raise the white flag just yet.
Re-energised?
bugger me that shouldnt be difficult, i bet the lads are looking really hungry in training
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Bringing in a midfielder from Wolfsburg
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/16/report-aston-villa-set-to-sign-anton-donkor-from-vfl-wolfsburg/
Reports in Germany are suggesting that Aston Villa are set to sign Anton Donkor from VfL Wolfsburg. It is being reported by Bild that Villa are set to sign the player after he was told first-team football was unlikely to be offered to him at the Volkswagen Arena.
It’s reported he is set to train with Aston Villa before concluding a permanent transfer.
The 19-year-old winger, full name Anton-Leander Donkor-Oppong, can play on either the right or left, but prefers the latter. He can even play through the middle.
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Loaning Aly out seems a strange one to me.
Amavi is fine going forward but his defending was woeful on Saturday. Yes, he had one great run skipping over/past a few tackles but their right-side when past him on several occasions.
Not convinced Amavi has put in a full shift since Dr T spoke about rejecting a big bid...particularly defensively he had started to look a bit better but has reverted to someone who is 100% not risking getting hurt
Agreed, I thought he was shocking on saturday, nowhere to be seen for their first goal.
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Loaning Aly out seems a strange one to me.
Amavi is fine going forward but his defending was woeful on Saturday. Yes, he had one great run skipping over/past a few tackles but their right-side when past him on several occasions.
Not convinced Amavi has put in a full shift since Dr T spoke about rejecting a big bid...particularly defensively he had started to look a bit better but has reverted to someone who is 100% not risking getting hurt
Agreed, I thought he was shocking on saturday, nowhere to be seen for their first goal.
Did they score a second?
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Loaning Aly out seems a strange one to me.
Amavi is fine going forward but his defending was woeful on Saturday. Yes, he had one great run skipping over/past a few tackles but their right-side when past him on several occasions.
Not convinced Amavi has put in a full shift since Dr T spoke about rejecting a big bid...particularly defensively he had started to look a bit better but has reverted to someone who is 100% not risking getting hurt
Agreed, I thought he was shocking on saturday, nowhere to be seen for their first goal.
Did they score a second?
I don't know i'd feel into a coma
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Bringing in a midfielder from Wolfsburg
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/16/report-aston-villa-set-to-sign-anton-donkor-from-vfl-wolfsburg/
Reports in Germany are suggesting that Aston Villa are set to sign Anton Donkor from VfL Wolfsburg. It is being reported by Bild that Villa are set to sign the player after he was told first-team football was unlikely to be offered to him at the Volkswagen Arena.
It’s reported he is set to train with Aston Villa before concluding a permanent transfer.
The 19-year-old winger, full name Anton-Leander Donkor-Oppong, can play on either the right or left, but prefers the latter. He can even play through the middle.
Good luck getting his name into a chant (even though I am positively sure that there's only one of him). Although good news for shirt letter sales.
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he actually sounds like he's named after some obscure illness
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We're now around the midway mark through the January window and I am hoping the second half of the window is a more successful than the first.
Three players out and only one player in so far is far from ideal but I am guessing the fact that everyone knows we have money to spend makes it harder for us to do business
I'm sure they are working hard to get some new players in but we need these new players in now and not in two weeks time when the window closes.
If we continue with the usual suspects in midfield and Flabby up front as we will be completely out of the play off picture by the end of the month and setting for mid table obscurity in the Championship!
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Bringing in a midfielder from Wolfsburg
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/16/report-aston-villa-set-to-sign-anton-donkor-from-vfl-wolfsburg/
Reports in Germany are suggesting that Aston Villa are set to sign Anton Donkor from VfL Wolfsburg. It is being reported by Bild that Villa are set to sign the player after he was told first-team football was unlikely to be offered to him at the Volkswagen Arena.
It’s reported he is set to train with Aston Villa before concluding a permanent transfer.
The 19-year-old winger, full name Anton-Leander Donkor-Oppong, can play on either the right or left, but prefers the latter. He can even play through the middle.
Good luck getting his name into a chant (even though I am positively sure that there's only one of him). Although good news for shirt letter sales.
A.L.D.O.
Anton Donkor is magic..
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Loaning Aly out seems a strange one to me.
Amavi is fine going forward but his defending was woeful on Saturday. Yes, he had one great run skipping over/past a few tackles but their right-side when past him on several occasions.
And against Leeds and Cardiff. They definitely need to work on his defending.
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Not convinced Amavi has put in a full shift since Dr T spoke about rejecting a big bid...particularly defensively he had started to look a bit better but has reverted to someone who is 100% not risking getting hurt
This. The last 3/4 games he's gone back to being dodgy as fuck. I'd like to think it's down to a temporary blip in form but it surely cannot be a coincidence that it's coincided with the alleged 'bid' for his services.
If he has had his head turned, then I strongly suggest we take the highest offer and move on.
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Aly gone
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/16/cissokho-joins-olympiacos
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...so, who's the reserve left back now
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...so, who's the reserve left back now
Me?
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he actually sounds like he's named after some obscure illness
I'm fairly sure that I had a severe case of the Donkor-Oppongs just after Christmas.
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It's the sprouts.
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...so, who's the reserve left back now
Can Toner play at Left-Back?
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Not convinced Amavi has put in a full shift since Dr T spoke about rejecting a big bid...particularly defensively he had started to look a bit better but has reverted to someone who is 100% not risking getting hurt
This. The last 3/4 games he's gone back to being dodgy as fuck. I'd like to think it's down to a temporary blip in form but it surely cannot be a coincidence that it's coincided with the alleged 'bid' for his services.
If he has had his head turned, then I strongly suggest we take the highest offer and move on.
I'm with you, Lord B: with the proviso that Bruce replaces him in this transfer window (along with a R/B too).
ps 'Anton-Leander Donkor-Oppong' to the tune of 'Big Fat Ron's claret & blue army'. ;)
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Richards is crocked, Baker made of glass, De Laet out for the season and Aly off to Greece, we MUST have a defender or two lined up?
We appear to be clearing the decks again with Aly, Gestede and Gollini all gone. I wonder how much that saves us per week in salary?
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Or just Bruce getting rid of players he doesn't want. Either way, I hope some replacements are lined up, as well as some sort of midfield.
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Richards is crocked, Baker made of glass, De Laet out for the season and Aly off to Greece, we MUST have a defender or two lined up?
We appear to be clearing the decks again with Aly, Gestede and Gollini all gone. I wonder how much that saves us per week in salary?
About £80k-100k?
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Robbie Brady ?
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Another Joe......Joe Linley from the U23's. Next in line versus 'Boro tonight. Hope he does well.
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Another Joe......Joe Linley from the U23's. Next in line versus 'Boro tonight. Hope he does well.
That game tonight is apparently live on the clubs facebook page if anyone want's to watch it.
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....or even better if you live in Walsall area, it's just a kick away.
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does cissokho have any time left on his contract or is that him done?
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does cissokho have any time left on his contract or is that him done?
Ends next year I believe.
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Another example of Lambert's utter fuckwittery
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I'm not overly concerned, regarding our position in the league, at the moment.
If we're honest the play offs is what we'll be aiming at.
To my knowledge there is always a team that hits form and makes a surge towards the end of the season and nip into the play offs.
10 points isn't a great gap in the grand scheme of things.
Whether we're that team is to be seen.
Let's see what January brings
Out of interest, does anyone know
1) points total to finish 6th over last 3 years
2) What's the biggest gap that's been clawed back by a side that's snuck into the play offs
(I'm too lazy to look it up myself)
Not sure if anyone answered 1) re 6th place
2012 75 pts.
2013 68
2014 72
2015 78
2016 74
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Bringing in a midfielder from Wolfsburg
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/16/report-aston-villa-set-to-sign-anton-donkor-from-vfl-wolfsburg/
Reports in Germany are suggesting that Aston Villa are set to sign Anton Donkor from VfL Wolfsburg. It is being reported by Bild that Villa are set to sign the player after he was told first-team football was unlikely to be offered to him at the Volkswagen Arena.
It’s reported he is set to train with Aston Villa before concluding a permanent transfer.
The 19-year-old winger, full name Anton-Leander Donkor-Oppong, can play on either the right or left, but prefers the latter. He can even play through the middle.
Good luck getting his name into a chant (even though I am positively sure that there's only one of him). Although good news for shirt letter sales.
Ying tong ying tong Donkor-Oppong?
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...so, who's the reserve left back now
Can Toner play at Left-Back?
Didn't he play up front for Manchester United?
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No that was our Rick
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Do we still have Joe Bennett on the books? I lost track of what happened after Xia pulled the plug because he didn't want a player moving to a supposed play-off rival.
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Do we still have Joe Bennett on the books? I lost track of what happened after Xia pulled the plug because he didn't want a player moving to a supposed play-off rival.
Signed for Cardiff I think. Permanent move.
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Another youngster linked unfortunatley it's from 'The Star '.........Godzvilla!
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/579045/Bury-Jacob-Bedeau-Aston-Villa-Liverpool-Manchester-United-Manchester-City
Aston Villa confident of beating Premier League giants to defender deal
ASTON VILLA are reportedly hopeful of beating several Premier League giants to the signing of Bury starlet Jacob Bedeau.
Bedeau was handed his professional debut by Shakers boss Chris Brass in November at the age of just 16 and has since made seven appearances in League One.
The 17-year-old centre-back has been on the radar of several top English clubs and scouts have regularly watched him in action this season.
The Daily Mail claim Liverpool and both Manchester giants are interested in the young defender.
But they risk missing out in his signature with Villa optimistic they can get a deal done first
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These young player links are the ones that perk my interest. I want a long term looking transfer plan, not just tired unimaginative signings that we did a lot of last summer already
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Another example of Lambert's utter fuckwittery
He was forced to buy from the dregs of the bargain basement that summer - Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho, recalling Hutton
We thoroughly gave up as a top division club that summer
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Another example of Lambert's utter fuckwittery
He was forced to buy from the dregs of the bargain basement that summer - Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho, recalling Hutton
We thoroughly gave up as a top division club that summer
*shudders*
and Joe Cole.
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Another example of Lambert's utter fuckwittery
He was forced to buy from the dregs of the bargain basement that summer - Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho, recalling Hutton
We thoroughly gave up as a top division club that summer
*shudders*
and Joe Cole.
The heady heights of the top three in the early stages, hence the wonderful new four year contract that he fought so hard not to sign. Twunt.
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Another example of Lambert's utter fuckwittery
He was forced to buy from the dregs of the bargain basement that summer - Senderos, Richardson, Cissokho, recalling Hutton
We thoroughly gave up as a top division club that summer
*shudders*
and Joe Cole.
The heady heights of the top three in the early stages, hence the wonderful new four year contract that he fought so hard not to sign. Twunt.
Gabby got a new deal around then too
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Clickbait Meaning evil claiming that Rhodes to Villa is odds on. I didn't realise that his Uncle is part of the furniture at Sheffield Wednesday. I can't see too many clubs being able to fork out the money Boro are asking.
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Genius that move. Waso it after his goal at Liverpool when we had 10 points from our opening 4. Really scary that we got 12 from our next 22. Good God we have been really shit for a long time now.
Why are we so short odds to sign Jordan Rhodes? What's the point?
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Supposedly tomorrow according to FB.
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Supposedly tomorrow according to FB.
Rhodes? Loan or permanent?
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Although also a Rangers fan by adoption, I would prefer to see Villa signing Waghorn for CF .........and most certainly give Tavernier a chance as Right Back. Rangers need the cash...Villa need the qualities these two have.
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Genius that move. Waso it after his goal at Liverpool when we had 10 points from our opening 4. Really scary that we got 12 from our next 22. Good God we have been really shit for a long time now.
Why are we so short odds to sign Jordan Rhodes? What's the point?
Falls neatly into our haphazard recruitment policy
Resale value - nil
Mobility - minimal
Fit within team - nope
Proven second division performer - yes
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Buy enough of the last seasons top scorers and they will score. Bollocks to the supply line!
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Why no resale value ? Only 27 next month
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Genius that move. Waso it after his goal at Liverpool when we had 10 points from our opening 4. Really scary that we got 12 from our next 22. Good God we have been really shit for a long time now.
Why are we so short odds to sign Jordan Rhodes? What's the point?
Boro are on the verge of signing Patrick Bamford for silly money so I presume that where the link is coming from.
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Genius that move. Waso it after his goal at Liverpool when we had 10 points from our opening 4. Really scary that we got 12 from our next 22. Good God we have been really shit for a long time now.
Why are we so short odds to sign Jordan Rhodes? What's the point?
It'll be about four games before everyone is complaining that he's not a real centre forward and we need a new one. Or that he's too fat. Or not running enough.
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Richards is crocked, Baker made of glass, De Laet out for the season and Aly off to Greece, we MUST have a defender or two lined up?
We appear to be clearing the decks again with Aly, Gestede and Gollini all gone. I wonder how much that saves us per week in salary?
Season is a write off anyway now. Prefer to clear the decks asap, and now, even if it leaves us short for the rest of the season. We wont get relegated after all. Will we?
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Rhodes comes across as a bit mardy
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And the Midfield ?
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Would like to see Sellers and Greene given a few starts to get them into the side to see if they can save us a few quid in the summer.
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Jordan Rhodes would be an appauling move for us, the exact type of player that we dont need, if we do sign him tben it will be another example of signing players that have previously done well and just hoping something happens on the pitch without having any sort of forward thinking plan to make it happen.
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The likes of Rhodes and McCormack will score goals but they need a supply line. We can all see it, Bruce can see it too. We all hope he's being supported in trying to get some in.
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Jordan Rhodes would be an appauling move for us, the exact type of player that we dont need, if we do sign him tben it will be another example of signing players that have previously done well and just hoping something happens on the pitch without having any sort of forward thinking plan to make it happen.
Jordan Rhodes would be an appauling move for us, the exact type of player that we dont need, if we do sign him tben it will be another example of signing players that have previously done well and just hoping something happens on the pitch without having any sort of forward thinking plan to make it happen.
Exactly. Then when Kodjia and Ayew come back, we'll be stuck with Rhodes and McCormack/Ayew on the bench with the same shit midfield creating nothing. Pointless.
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We've gone from being linked for Lansbury and Hourihane for relatively little, to what sounds like a net loss from swapping Gestede and Rhodes, two equally useless strikers when not given any service.
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The critical sentence there is "when not given any service". Hopefully it's on its way. Pretty pointless bringing in any striker without trying to address the cause of the problem. Bruce MUST be on it, as the kids say.
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With regard to Rhodes, I've never seen him play & I doubt many of the posters on here have seen him either. But we need a number nine worthy of the name.
I'd only ever seen Gestede play in the FA Cup game vs Liverpool before he signed for us & in that game he looked useful. But, in the flesh during his 20min appearance vs Man Utd it was obvious he was shite.
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We've gone from being linked for Lansbury and Hourihane for relatively little, to what sounds like a net loss from swapping Gestede and Rhodes, two equally useless strikers when not given any service.
What do you mean net loss?
I wouldn't be too worried about the financial implications on any deal going forward. Dr. Xia has is going to throw tons of money at this club, 11m for Rhodes.. who cares.
I was never a fan of Rudy Gestede, we needed to dump him. I'm sorry but barring his height he has no redeeming qualities of a professional footballer. No ball control, can't shoot, can't pass, no pace.. Rhodes at least possesses some skill.
I'm really hoping Lansbury lands here.
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Why are we buying a striker when we don't get the ball to the ones we've got or had? Seems a touch wierd.
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We've gone from being linked for Lansbury and Hourihane for relatively little, to what sounds like a net loss from swapping Gestede and Rhodes, two equally useless strikers when not given any service.
No we haven't. We're still being linked with Lansbury and Hourihane as well, as well as other midfielders such as Cairney and Brady.
Get 1 or 2 of them in addition to Rhodes (167 goals in 324 games) instead of Gestede (52 in 182 games) and it'll be a decent start to overhauling the squad. It might just be that Rhodes is coming in first.
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Bringing in a midfielder from Wolfsburg
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/01/16/report-aston-villa-set-to-sign-anton-donkor-from-vfl-wolfsburg/
Reports in Germany are suggesting that Aston Villa are set to sign Anton Donkor from VfL Wolfsburg. It is being reported by Bild that Villa are set to sign the player after he was told first-team football was unlikely to be offered to him at the Volkswagen Arena.
It’s reported he is set to train with Aston Villa before concluding a permanent transfer.
The 19-year-old winger, full name Anton-Leander Donkor-Oppong, can play on either the right or left, but prefers the latter. He can even play through the middle.
Good luck getting his name into a chant (even though I am positively sure that there's only one of him). Although good news for shirt letter sales.
Ying tong ying tong Donkor-Oppong?
Earlier when I sent a text to a friend in Germany to ask about this player predictive text turned his name to "Another Donkey".
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Jordan Rhodes is shite.
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As long as it means no more Gabby, I'll take any striker.
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me too - if Dr X's master plan for January was Gabby up top then it was criminally negligent
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Rhodes has a distinct lack of ability as a player though. Usually profits from mayhem caused by strike partners. Just don't see point. Surely 4m on Sako at Palace would be a better signing. Or Wells who works the channels? Can our scouts seriously not find 2 or 3 fairly cheap forwards that would thrive in the championship. Leeds found Sacko, Brighton got Knockeart for a couple of million, Brentford found Hogan cheaply etc. For the price of Rhodes we could add 3 more useful players to this squad to find creativity etc. Use the money to make sure we get Lansbury, Hourihane and a winger. Hell if it means the Westwood get the Watford guy too. Still not doesn't anywhere close to 11m on Rhodes. Don't see the point. If he signs I really hope to be proven very wrong.
If we are determined to bit a Boro player, I read Ramirez is available. He was brilliant for them second half of the season.
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Watching his goals again unless Bruce does find a way of getting more crosses and through balls into him, Rhodes will look just like the others. Hourihane and Lansbury are the vital ones. I would even take the winner at Peterborough if he can cross a ball and not just lose it like Grealish seems to have started doing lately.
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Rhodes? No!
Sort the MF, play the game a little higher up the pitch and our strikers will score (maybe even Flabby), because Adomah and Grealish will become more effective.
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Absolutely Mr E.
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Agreed. Bit like buying your dream car (Pontiac Trans Am 77' for me) at a cost of £25,000 and then leave it sitting on the drive without putting any fuel in it. A pointless exercise.
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Spink is saying he reckons bruce has to buy to sell but he's probably making it up
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well we have - three gone, wage bill trimmed and £6m in his back pocket.
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Spinky would get it the wrong way round.
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If you believe 'readastonvilla ' ( @http://readastonvilla.com/2017/01/17/will-villa-sign-bookies-odds/) Lansbury & Hourihane are pretty much nailed down certainties .
"Steve Bruce has identified his targets – Herni Lansbury and Conor Hourihane – and the bookmakers believe that these two players are almost guaranteed to become Villa players by the end of the month; so much so, that you will be hard pushed to find one who give you odds on the pair "
They also report that , apparently, the Meaning Evil are publishing the odds below on possible signings , most are the ' usual suspects' and ' wish listers' , but such short odds on Alan Judge came as a bit of a surprise, he hasn't been mentioned much on these here pages but would be a step in the right direction, imho.........Godzvilla!
Odds to Join Villa
Jordan Rhodes (Middlesbrough)- 1/5
Alan Judge (Brentford) – 1/3
Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough) – 9/1
Fabian Delph (Manchester City) -12/1
Andros Townsend (Crystal Palace) 12/1
Robbie Brady (Norwich) – 14/1
Aleksandar Mitrovic (Newcastle) – 16/1
Bakary Sako (Crystal Palace) – 16/1
Robert Snodgrass (Norwich) 25/1
Ashley Young Manchester United) -25/1
James McCarthy (Everton) – 25/1
Frank Lampard (Free agent) – 25/1
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I'm not really Rhodes's biggest fan but his strike rate is 1 in 3 over the last two seasons, then consistently 1 in 2.
With the right service he'd score goals. Only problem is he'll never see those sort of figures here because he won't be starting much due to Kodjia.
Also, like ozz said Sako (away at afcon) or Wells instead would make way more sense.
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I'm not really Rhodes's biggest fan but his strike rate is 1 in 3 over the last two seasons, then consistently 1 in 2.
With the right service he'd score goals. Only problem is he'll never see those sort of figures here because he won't be starting much due to Kodjia.
All of the above is applicable if you just change Rhodes to McCormack. So spending£10m on another version of McCormack seems frivolous when we haven't finished playing with the toy we got for our last birthday.
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Add me to the list of people who dont see the need for Rhodes, its not that our strikers are missing chances, we just aren't creating enough. If we do McCormack will start to put them away, if we can accept the limitations in the rest of his game.
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I'm not really Rhodes's biggest fan but his strike rate is 1 in 3 over the last two seasons, then consistently 1 in 2.
With the right service he'd score goals. Only problem is he'll never see those sort of figures here because he won't be starting much due to Kodjia.
All of the above is applicable if you just change Rhodes to McCormack. So spending£10m on another version of McCormack seems frivolous when we haven't finished playing with the toy we got for our last birthday.
I agree entirely. We should be working out how to get the best out of what we already have. Our midfield has been rubbish for a good few years now.
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I don't mind bringing in an extra forward. Gabby fucking Agbonlahor gets in the team. Even with Kodjia back, we are only one injury away from that wanker getting onto the pitch.
Midfield remains the priority but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for other options up front.
I'd give Rhodes a chance, his scoring record is excellent at this level. As is McCormack's, admittedly. Hopefully both could do well with a decent midfield behind them.
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If you believe 'readastonvilla ' ( @http://readastonvilla.com/2017/01/17/will-villa-sign-bookies-odds/) Lansbury & Hourihane are pretty much nailed down certainties .
"Steve Bruce has identified his targets – Herni Lansbury and Conor Hourihane – and the bookmakers believe that these two players are almost guaranteed to become Villa players by the end of the month; so much so, that you will be hard pushed to find one who give you odds on the pair "
They also report that , apparently, the Meaning Evil are publishing the odds below on possible signings , most are the ' usual suspects' and ' wish listers' , but such short odds on Alan Judge came as a bit of a surprise, he hasn't been mentioned much on these here pages but would be a step in the right direction, imho.........Godzvilla!
Odds to Join Villa
Jordan Rhodes (Middlesbrough)- 1/5
Alan Judge (Brentford) – 1/3
Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough) – 9/1
Fabian Delph (Manchester City) -12/1
Andros Townsend (Crystal Palace) 12/1
Robbie Brady (Norwich) – 14/1
Aleksandar Mitrovic (Newcastle) – 16/1
Bakary Sako (Crystal Palace) – 16/1
Robert Snodgrass (Norwich) 25/1
Ashley Young Manchester United) -25/1
James McCarthy (Everton) – 25/1
Frank Lampard (Free agent) – 25/1
out of that list, Delph would make the biggest difference to the team
The more I think about it, he is exactly what we need
Alan Judge is another "number ten", clever player but another one to swerve imo
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Loads of rumours of Bruce having to sell to buy now. Norwich now in for Lansbury too. So far this window is rivalling last January
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Still think you could get Assombalonga & Lansbury for less than a Jordan Rhodes! Rhodes is a poor mans Bent, give him lots of chances and he'll score without giving anything to the team play.
Assombalonga through the middle, Kodjia off the left & Adomah from the right with 3 proper & FIT midfielders behind them would do for me.
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I got the distinct impression that there was a sea change as January approached and that our expectations were 'being managed'.
We went from being very bullish about our transfer plans to Bruce starting to say that major surgery wasn't necessary and that we would only look to being in 2 or 3 players IF the right ones were available.
This coincided with Dr Tony's visit in December, and was quite noticeable in Bruce's pre match conferences (I thought).
Maybe its just me who thought this?
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Bruce said from the start that in the past we've brought for the sake of it rather than improving on what we've got. If there is a change in transfer policy, i'd guess it's come from Bruce if anybody.
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Jordan Rhodes is shite.
I think his career record of better than a goal every other game contradicts this. He scored loads at Huddersfield, 36 in 40 league games in his last season, then 73 goals in three full seasons at Blackburn. Give him the ammunition and he'll certainly do a job, and at 26 should be hitting his peak. It's true though, without creating chances it's irrelevant who's up front.
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the crazy thing is with the desperate need for midfielders is we have Veretout, Sanchez and Gill all playing around the world and they are probably no worse than the ones we are linked with
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Are we giving-up on promotion this January just as we gave up on survival last January? I guess our odds of getting promoted won't be much lower than surviving relegation a year ago (even after our Palace and Norwich wins).
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Loads of rumours of Bruce having to sell to buy now. Norwich now in for Lansbury too. So far this window is rivalling last January
Even if so, the 6m we got for Guestede covers the asking prices we've heard quoted for Lansbury and Hourihane doesn't it?
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Are we giving-up on promotion this January just as we gave up on survival last January? I guess our odds of getting promoted won't be much lower than surviving relegation a year ago (even after our Palace and Norwich wins).
Why are we now perceived as giving up just because we haven't bought anyone yet?
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If you believe 'readastonvilla ' ( @http://readastonvilla.com/2017/01/17/will-villa-sign-bookies-odds/) Lansbury & Hourihane are pretty much nailed down certainties .
"Steve Bruce has identified his targets – Herni Lansbury and Conor Hourihane – and the bookmakers believe that these two players are almost guaranteed to become Villa players by the end of the month; so much so, that you will be hard pushed to find one who give you odds on the pair "
They also report that , apparently, the Meaning Evil are publishing the odds below on possible signings , most are the ' usual suspects' and ' wish listers' , but such short odds on Alan Judge came as a bit of a surprise, he hasn't been mentioned much on these here pages but would be a step in the right direction, imho.........Godzvilla!
Odds to Join Villa
Jordan Rhodes (Middlesbrough)- 1/5
Alan Judge (Brentford) – 1/3
Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough) – 9/1
Fabian Delph (Manchester City) -12/1
Andros Townsend (Crystal Palace) 12/1
Robbie Brady (Norwich) – 14/1
Aleksandar Mitrovic (Newcastle) – 16/1
Bakary Sako (Crystal Palace) – 16/1
Robert Snodgrass (Norwich) 25/1
Ashley Young Manchester United) -25/1
James McCarthy (Everton) – 25/1
Frank Lampard (Free agent) – 25/1
out of that list, Delph would make the biggest difference to the team
The more I think about it, he is exactly what we need
Alan Judge is another "number ten", clever player but another one to swerve imo
Judge is more of a right sided midfielder isn't he. i'd definitely take him - he's had a broken something (leg? ankle?) and is only now back in training after about 6 months out. But, and I think its fairly safe to say that we'll be lining up in the Championship next season. A fit Judge will be the type of player we need to go up. Get him into the team before the end of the season - as in up and running - and then we'll have a good player in a good position ready for next season.
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Watching his goals again unless Bruce does find a way of getting more crosses and through balls into him, Rhodes will look just like the others. Hourihane and Lansbury are the vital ones. I would even take the winner at Peterborough if he can cross a ball and not just lose it like Grealish seems to have started doing lately.
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I think Rhodes is a Darren Bent type , he will be great If he gets the service.
so Lansburys,houriane and Bree with Rhodes i would be very happy.
Jedink will improve too with these midfielders.
I think bruce will probably want to get rid of ayew to get some funds in .
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If you believe 'readastonvilla ' ( @http://readastonvilla.com/2017/01/17/will-villa-sign-bookies-odds/) Lansbury & Hourihane are pretty much nailed down certainties .
"Steve Bruce has identified his targets – Herni Lansbury and Conor Hourihane – and the bookmakers believe that these two players are almost guaranteed to become Villa players by the end of the month; so much so, that you will be hard pushed to find one who give you odds on the pair "
They also report that , apparently, the Meaning Evil are publishing the odds below on possible signings , most are the ' usual suspects' and ' wish listers' , but such short odds on Alan Judge came as a bit of a surprise, he hasn't been mentioned much on these here pages but would be a step in the right direction, imho.........Godzvilla!
Odds to Join Villa
Jordan Rhodes (Middlesbrough)- 1/5
Alan Judge (Brentford) – 1/3
Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough) – 9/1
Fabian Delph (Manchester City) -12/1
Andros Townsend (Crystal Palace) 12/1
Robbie Brady (Norwich) – 14/1
Aleksandar Mitrovic (Newcastle) – 16/1
Bakary Sako (Crystal Palace) – 16/1
Robert Snodgrass (Norwich) 25/1
Ashley Young Manchester United) -25/1
James McCarthy (Everton) – 25/1
Frank Lampard (Free agent) – 25/1
out of that list, Delph would make the biggest difference to the team
The more I think about it, he is exactly what we need
Alan Judge is another "number ten", clever player but another one to swerve imo
Judge is more of a right sided midfielder isn't he. i'd definitely take him - he's had a broken something (leg? ankle?) and is only now back in training after about 6 months out. But, and I think its fairly safe to say that we'll be lining up in the Championship next season. A fit Judge will be the type of player we need to go up. Get him into the team before the end of the season - as in up and running - and then we'll have a good player in a good position ready for next season.
yes, he broke his leg last season when in great form, bit of a horror tackle if I recall
right sided was his position for years but Im pretty sure his great form came about when Brentford moved him inside off the front man, lacks a bit of pace for outwide
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I think Judge had a broken gavel Peter. Nasty.
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maybe Tony's backers are a bit underwhelmed of how we have done this season, and have decided to pull in the reins of our spending, as we don't look like getting promoted this season!!
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Surely we only need Rhodes if we're going to play 4-4-2. I would have thought Brady was the obvious forward player to go for if we're playing 4-3-3. Plus the 2 midfielders and right back either way and a centre back.
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And a left back now.
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I think Judge had a broken gavel Peter. Nasty.
Judges in this country don't have gavels. They conduct trials not auctions!
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When we signed Gestede a couple of Blackburn season ticket holders told me they were gutted to see him leave and rated him more highly than Rhodes. Make of that what you will.
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maybe Tony's backers are a bit underwhelmed of how we have done this season, and have decided to pull in the reins of our spending, as we don't look like getting promoted this season!!
What backers ?
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Are we giving-up on promotion this January just as we gave up on survival last January? I guess our odds of getting promoted won't be much lower than surviving relegation a year ago (even after our Palace and Norwich wins).
Why are we now perceived as giving up just because we haven't bought anyone yet?
I'm only asking the question but quotes from Bruce after the Wolves game, like below, don't exactly sound encouraging regarding buying the quality and quantity of players we need.
Bruce Said:
We can’t keep adding surgery because that is what we’ve done in the past.
We’ll work with what we’ve got, try to make us better and get away from this mentality.
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I would imagine that the percentage of transfers in January that are concluded in the last 48 hours of the window must be high in comparison with the Summer transfer season. I suspect there is a great amount of brinkmanship around negotiations with all parties trying to get the best deal. Also a few transfers are subject to the domino effect i.e. A player cannot move until his replacement has been bought. I have sympathy for anyone involved in the process and I am confident that we will have signings in but I reckon patience is the keyword.
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Also a few transfers are subject to the domino effect i.e. A player cannot move until his replacement has been bought.
We often say that, but it doesn't ever really seem to apply to players we sell.
We weren't bothered about going into our last match without a striker having just sold Gestede.
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I would imagine that the percentage of transfers in January that are concluded in the last 48 hours of the window must be high in comparison with the Summer transfer season. I suspect there is a great amount of brinkmanship around negotiations with all parties trying to get the best deal. Also a few transfers are subject to the domino effect i.e. A player cannot move until his replacement has been bought. I have sympathy for anyone involved in the process and I am confident that we will have signings in but I reckon patience is the keyword.
A bit like with Gestede? If we are actually after Rhodes then would have been the time to do the deal!
If we don't get players in before the end of this month then personally I wouldn't bother and wait till summer as it will be too late to make the play-offs (exactly like last January)!
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I would imagine that the percentage of transfers in January that are concluded in the last 48 hours of the window must be high in comparison with the Summer transfer season. I suspect there is a great amount of brinkmanship around negotiations with all parties trying to get the best deal. Also a few transfers are subject to the domino effect i.e. A player cannot move until his replacement has been bought. I have sympathy for anyone involved in the process and I am confident that we will have signings in but I reckon patience is the keyword.
A bit like with Gestede? If we are actually after Rhodes then would have been the time to do the deal!
If we don't get players in before the end of this month then personally I wouldn't bother and wait till summer as it will be too late to make the play-offs (exactly like last January)!
That is why I said 'a few transfers are subject to....' but your point is valid if Rhodes is being considered, would have made sense to have player plus reduced cash deal surely? Perhaps agents get reduced percentage if it is a player swap deal so don't encourage their clients to accept?
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I would imagine that the percentage of transfers in January that are concluded in the last 48 hours of the window must be high in comparison with the Summer transfer season. I suspect there is a great amount of brinkmanship around negotiations with all parties trying to get the best deal. Also a few transfers are subject to the domino effect i.e. A player cannot move until his replacement has been bought. I have sympathy for anyone involved in the process and I am confident that we will have signings in but I reckon patience is the keyword.
A bit like with Gestede? If we are actually after Rhodes then would have been the time to do the deal!
If we don't get players in before the end of this month then personally I wouldn't bother and wait till summer as it will be too late to make the play-offs (exactly like last January)!
If we don't get players in before the end of the month, we have no choice but to wait till summer surely.
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I would imagine that the percentage of transfers in January that are concluded in the last 48 hours of the window must be high in comparison with the Summer transfer season. I suspect there is a great amount of brinkmanship around negotiations with all parties trying to get the best deal. Also a few transfers are subject to the domino effect i.e. A player cannot move until his replacement has been bought. I have sympathy for anyone involved in the process and I am confident that we will have signings in but I reckon patience is the keyword.
A bit like with Gestede? If we are actually after Rhodes then would have been the time to do the deal!
If we don't get players in before the end of this month then personally I wouldn't bother and wait till summer as it will be too late to make the play-offs (exactly like last January)!
If we don't get players in before the end of the month, we have no choice but to wait till summer surely.
I think he meant week...
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Jordan Rhodes is shite.
I think his career record of better than a goal every other game contradicts this. He scored loads at Huddersfield, 36 in 40 league games in his last season, then 73 goals in three full seasons at Blackburn. Give him the ammunition and he'll certainly do a job, and at 26 should be hitting his peak. It's true though, without creating chances it's irrelevant who's up front.
Agree, I get really bored with people constantly saying players were linked with are shite where there is evidence to the contrary
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Jordan Rhodes is shite.
I think his career record of better than a goal every other game contradicts this. He scored loads at Huddersfield, 36 in 40 league games in his last season, then 73 goals in three full seasons at Blackburn. Give him the ammunition and he'll certainly do a job, and at 26 should be hitting his peak. It's true though, without creating chances it's irrelevant who's up front.
Agree, I get really bored with people constantly saying players were linked with are shite where there is evidence to the contrary
Me too. I get more bored with them always being right though.
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Rhodes will require the kind of service Darren Bent needed, otherwise he can become anonymous and look one dimensional. Possibly with the midfielders we have been linked with coming in, then Rhodes, next to the mercurial Kodjia, could be something that might just push us into 6th by the end of the season.
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I would be happy enough with just a couple of central midfielder types in this window I think the rest we can work with if we have to
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Sort the midfield out and all our forwards are capable of scoring at this level..... Even Agbonlahor.
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Jordan Rhodes is shite.
I think his career record of better than a goal every other game contradicts this. He scored loads at Huddersfield, 36 in 40 league games in his last season, then 73 goals in three full seasons at Blackburn. Give him the ammunition and he'll certainly do a job, and at 26 should be hitting his peak. It's true though, without creating chances it's irrelevant who's up front.
Agree, I get really bored with people constantly saying players were linked with are shite where there is evidence to the contrary
Me too. I get more bored with them always being right though.
Made me smile, bravo
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Rhodes? No!
Sort the MF, play the game a little higher up the pitch and our strikers will score (maybe even Flabby), because Adomah and Grealish will become more effective.
If I repeat this enough will it mean that it won't happen?!
More money than sense?
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I'm getting ptt. (Pre transfer tension).
I've now convinced myself TONY is a penniless charlatan and he going to wait until Summer before getting an overdraft.
Come on TONY put me at ease please.
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Relax Frank. However much Tony was worth when he bought us he is now worth 17% more in GBP thanks to Brexit.
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He's just tweeted in response to my plea , no doubt...........not
Apparently business is in hand but clubs want to keep players til deadline day so they can play
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Put another way the £40 million Lerner gets if we go up is now only worth £30 million in US dollars.
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He's just tweeted in response to my plea , no doubt...........not
Apparently business is in hand but clubs want to keep players til deadline day so they can play
Makes sense......so why didn't we keep Rudy until the last day?
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Just saw that the if Bristol City win tonight the game on 28th will be cancelled so after Sat the game on deadline night might be next time we play so unless something is imminent for for Sats game we might as well take our time
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He's just tweeted in response to my plea , no doubt...........not
Apparently business is in hand but clubs want to keep players til deadline day so they can play
Makes sense......so why didn't we keep Rudy until the last day?
Because we are terminally stupid.
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He's just tweeted in response to my plea , no doubt...........not
Apparently business is in hand but clubs want to keep players til deadline day so they can play
Makes sense......so why didn't we keep Rudy until the last day?
Is like the why didn't Barry take the penalty thing from way back. We probably couldn't believe the money they offered and would rather have the cash for further recruitment and risk it. Which perhaps backfired but then again he wasn't exactly pulling up trees. ( yes I know Gabby as plan B is a shocker)
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Maybe Rudy had a taxi outside with the meter running.
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what the eff?!
16.01 GMT: Chelsea boss Antonio Conte has indicated that he wants to add a bit more depth to his attacking options -- and Sky Sports reports that he could be doing that by signing Middlesbrough winger Adama Traore. The Blues, it says, have made an offer for the ex-Aston Villa man.
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what the eff?!
16.01 GMT: Chelsea boss Antonio Conte has indicated that he wants to add a bit more depth to his attacking options -- and Sky Sports reports that he could be doing that by signing Middlesbrough winger Adama Traore. The Blues, it says, have made an offer for the ex-Aston Villa man.
Not that it'll happen but for a team like Chelsea they can afford a player like him sat on bench for 20/30 minute cameos where he won't have to defend...actually think it would be a great deal for Chelsea*
* or us if there is a sell on clause :-)
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They'll probably do a straight swap for Bamford and leave us out the loop.
Why on earth Chelsea would want a player that's already been let go by Barca B, Villa and possibly Boro for being a show pony is as bizarre as it gets
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He's just tweeted in response to my plea , no doubt...........not
Apparently business is in hand but clubs want to keep players til deadline day so they can play
Makes sense......so why didn't we keep Rudy until the last day?
Good question.
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Relax Frank. However much Tony was worth when he bought us he is now worth 17% more in GBP thanks to Brexit.
Frank ain't going to be eased by that.
17% of nothing is …..
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Relax Frank. However much Tony was worth when he bought us he is now worth 17% more in GBP thanks to Brexit.
Frank ain't going to be eased by that.
17% of nothing is …..
Is the answer to that what Carson Yeung ended up with?
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I wish we had 11 show ponies as good as Adama Traore. Oh hang on, we've got Westwood and Hutton and Gardner and Elphick and Jedinak and Bacuna and Bunn and Richards and Agbonlahor why would we want players that shit club Chelsea want.
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Traore is shit. If he can't cut it at Boro he's not going to pull any trees up at Chelsea.
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The fact he may well go there and a manager as good and experienced as Conte disagrees with your assessment is enough for me. I saw every game Adama played for us, every minute and my personal opinion is that Traore is a good player. You have your opinion, I have mine.
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Adama has all the physical attributes, ball control, dribbling ability, strength and pace. Which is why managers have taken him on. Unfortunately he does not have the ability to look up, play a part in the team plan and generally a footballing brain.
But this is just an opinion as Brian said. I really enjoyed the feeling of excitement when he stood up to a couple of defenders and blasted past them, but ultimately he frustrated the hell out of me.
Can't see a place at Chelsea for him at all. But would love him to prove me wrong.
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Traore is shit. If he can't cut it at Boro he's not going to pull any trees up at Chelsea.
I disagree. He has massive potential
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He has all the basics, just needs the attitude and some good coaching, lacked both of those with us.
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Traore is shit. If he can't cut it at Boro he's not going to pull any trees up at Chelsea.
I disagree. He has massive potential
He obviously can cut it at Boro, he's in the team and is their biggest threat and it seems Chelsea want him. So how is that not 'cutting' it at Boro?
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He has all the basics, just needs the attitude and some good coaching, lacked both of those with us.
And Barcelona? And Middlesborough ?
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Traore is shit. If he can't cut it at Boro he's not going to pull any trees up at Chelsea.
I disagree. He has massive potential
He obviously can cut it Boro, he's in the team and is their biggest threat and it seems Chelsea want him. So how is that not 'cutting' it at Boro?
The fans and manager are as equally frustrated as Barca and Villa apparently
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He looks quite good at Middlesbrough from what I've seen, produced more than any of our wide players have so far.
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I find the obsession with Rudy fascinating. He showed absolutely no skills in leading the line, in defending from the front or in having goal-scoring instincts. I've no doubt - in certain systems - that he might have a role but I couldn't imagine how it might have worked with us.
As to the timing of his departure, I suspect the buyer dictated that; and, with a handsome fee, why would we argue that too hard?
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He looks quite good at Middlesbrough from what I've seen, produced more than any of our wide players have so far.
No goals, no assists in premier league apparently.
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I find the obsession with Rudy fascinating. He showed absolutely no skills in leading the line, in defending from the front or in having goal-scoring instincts. I've no doubt - in certain systems - that he might have a role but I couldn't imagine how it might have worked with us.
As to the timing of his departure, I suspect the buyer dictated that; and, with a handsome fee, why would we argue that too hard?
Because it left us short up front at a time when 2 other strikers left for international duty. I don't understand why we felt the need to sell him as soon at the new year bells were ringing, but perhaps we needed the money?
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For what it is worth, if Traore is a shit player as plenty of you say, he is the only shit Villa player in my 70 years watching home and away that has had 2000 fans singing for him to come onto the field.
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Evening.
No, I think that Steve Bruce had decided Gestede was awful ( like most of us do ), unable to be improved and if someone was stupid enough to pay £6m for him.........BITE their hands off and get on with it.
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....and as for Traore. Well just point him I'm the direction of the opposition goal and see whatever happens.
Usually a bit of ooh-aahh and then nothing. Not what we need then , nor now.
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He looks quite good at Middlesbrough from what I've seen, produced more than any of our wide players have so far.
No goals, no assists in premier league apparently.
I'm easily pleased.
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....and as for Traore. Well just point him I'm the direction of the opposition goal and see whatever happens.
Usually a bit of ooh-aahh and then nothing. Not what we need then , nor now.
You dont mean a young, hungry, but as yet raw winger then?
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I see that Belgian centre back we are supposedly interested in isn't starting tonight for his side. Smoke and fire?
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For what it is worth, if Traore is a shit player as plenty of you say, he is the only shit Villa player in my 70 years watching home and away that has had 2000 fans singing for him to come onto the field.
They used to sing for Salifou as well. He was pretty shit.
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Yup. That's what I mean......we don't need " raw ". We don't seem to want to " coach " players any more. We expect immediate suitability......and raw doesn't cut it. We need READY TO GO.
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Traore is shit. If he can't cut it at Boro he's not going to pull any trees up at Chelsea.
I disagree. He has massive potential
He obviously can cut it Boro, he's in the team and is their biggest threat and it seems Chelsea want him. So how is that not 'cutting' it at Boro?
No goals and no assists is probably 'not cutting it'. Just doesnt seem to have the end product or footballing intelligence to become a decent player. His best chance is to probably be surrounded by much better players and coached by someone like Conte, so Chelsea would be a great move.
Definitely one to get you out your seat but then quickly sit down again as he loses the ball or wastes a pass
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I find the obsession with Rudy fascinating. He showed absolutely no skills in leading the line, in defending from the front or in having goal-scoring instincts.
He was our second top scorer. We should be the ones who dictate when we sell and not leave ourselves short is the point.
Resorting to playing Gabby a has-been, one goal in 22 months, waste of oxygen up-front should never be an option for a club looking to get promotion.
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Gestede > Gabby
Although that is like comparing tit wanks from Jo Brand and Mo Mowlam
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Gestede was never the answer, but to sell him without a replacement leaving us with just Gabby is really bad management from top to bottom.
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Gestede > Gabby
Although that is like comparing tit wanks from Jo Brand and Mo Mowlam
Was never his biggest fan but with Kodjia and Ayew away, it was a no brainer to string it out until the deadline, especially if we weren't planning on replacing him.
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Football's a business...not a game.
Steve Bruce has an expensively paid asset in Agbonlahor that NO other team would give pennies for. AND he would not want to go. He wouldn't understand any other club and couldn't live anywhere else, I am pretty sure. I reckon he and his financial adviser are simply working through his contract and waiting for the end. Goodnoght, So long and thanks for all the shish.
Gestede, on the other hand seemed to be a more valuable asset who COULD be sold. And so, was.
It's all business my boy.
Whereas it is as important as anything to all of us who think it's still our football club down there in the back streets of Witton. Ah, those were the days. Entrance to the first team games for a shilling and the reserves for a tanner.
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Gestede was never the answer, but to sell him without a replacement leaving us with just Gabby is really bad management from top to bottom.
Maybe, but maybe it was simply the deal being offered.
Would Rudy have really made any significant contribution to the games he's since missed? - I doubt it.
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I find the obsession with Rudy fascinating. He showed absolutely no skills in leading the line, in defending from the front or in having goal-scoring instincts. I've no doubt - in certain systems - that he might have a role but I couldn't imagine how it might have worked with us.
As to the timing of his departure, I suspect the buyer dictated that; and, with a handsome fee, why would we argue that too hard?
I completely agree. I can't believe we got that sort of fee. It was a great bit of business sense for once.
The problem has not been the centre forwards we still have left to replace Kodja and Ayew but our shit midfield and service into the box. I don't see how Rudy would have stepped up to be our creator, goal scorer and saviour when he's looked useless since we bought him.
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Gestede was never the answer, but to sell him without a replacement leaving us with just Gabby is really bad management from top to bottom.
Maybe, but maybe it was simply the deal being offered.
Would Rudy have really made any significant contribution to the games he's since missed? - I doubt it.
Probably not much, but the idea of having Gab lead the line for the rest of the month is worse I think.
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I see that Belgian centre back we are supposedly interested in isn't starting tonight for his side. Smoke and fire?
He's not very good. Plenty of other Belgian defenders I'd rather sign.
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Football's a business...not a game.
Steve Bruce has an expensively paid asset in Agbonlahor that NO other team would give pennies for. AND he would not want to go. He wouldn't understand any other club and couldn't live anywhere else, I am pretty sure. I reckon he and his financial adviser are simply working through his contract and waiting for the end. Goodnoght, So long and thanks for all the shish.
Gestede, on the other hand seemed to be a more valuable asset who COULD be sold. And so, was.
It's all business my boy.
It will be a great bit of business if this Jan puts the kybosh on our promotion hopes once and for all.
£6 million now -or the obscene riches available for a quick return to the top flight? Tough one.
Gestede has his obvious limitations, but in tight games as per the Cardiff and Wolves ones, it's not unthinkable he could have come off the bench and turned the game. He's done it before: this season. Gabby has offered little for two seasons and hasn't done anything worth remotely being near the coach on match day, nevermind starting the shagging game.
I wasn't unhappy to see Gestede go in early Jan, as that intimated we had someone lined up to come in and bridge the gap. In Bruceworld, If that someone was Gabby all along -because he is here, and because we are already paying him- that's incredibly short-sighted.
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I think Judge had a broken gavel Peter. Nasty.
Judges in this country don't have gavels. They conduct trials not auctions!
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Adama has already played for us and Boro this season. Therefore under the 2 club rule he won't be joining Chelsea.
Not sure how Sky missed that.
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They could agree a fee for the Summer, and could even loan him with a permanent deal already agreed for the next transfer window, as Villa/Albion did with the Davies and Moore transfers, and Albion have done again in getting rid of Craig Gardner.
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Adama has already played for us and Boro this season. Therefore under the 2 club rule he won't be joining Chelsea.
Not sure how Sky missed that.
I assume they'd just loan him straight back to Boro for the rest of the season.
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They could agree a fee for the Summer, and could even loan him with a permanent deal already agreed for the next transfer window, as Villa/Albion did with the Davies and Moore transfers, and Albion have done again in getting rid of Craig Gardner.
I think they can buy him, he just couldn't play. "Players may be registered for a maximum of three clubs during the period from 1 July until 30 June of the following year. During this period, the player is only eligible to play in Official Matches for two clubs."
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Football's a business...not a game.
Steve Bruce has an expensively paid asset in Agbonlahor that NO other team would give pennies for. AND he would not want to go. He wouldn't understand any other club and couldn't live anywhere else, I am pretty sure. I reckon he and his financial adviser are simply working through his contract and waiting for the end. Goodnoght, So long and thanks for all the shish.
Gestede, on the other hand seemed to be a more valuable asset who COULD be sold. And so, was.
It's all business my boy.
It will be a great bit of business if this Jan puts the kybosh on our promotion hopes once and for all.
£6 million now -or the obscene riches available for a quick return to the top flight? Tough one.
Gestede has his obvious limitations, but in tight games as per the Cardiff and Wolves ones, it's not unthinkable he could have come off the bench and turned the game. He's done it before: this season. Gabby has offered little for two seasons and hasn't done anything worth remotely being near the coach on match day, nevermind starting the shagging game.
I wasn't unhappy to see Gestede go in early Jan, as that intimated we had someone lined up to come in and bridge the gap. In Bruceworld, If that someone was Gabby all along -because he is here, and because we are already paying him- that's incredibly short-sighted.
The shagging game is one that, I understand, he's in mid-season form and raring to go again in.
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Am I the only one wondering that Bruce and the board have decided this season is a write off and it's time to clear the decks once and for all. Letting Gestede and Cissokho leave without replacements joining first sounds very strange. Johnstone is very much one for the future. Definitely thought Bruce would have brought in some established top division players at this stage even on loan.
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Am I the only one wondering that Bruce and the board have decided this season is a write off and it's time to clear the decks once and for all. Letting Gestede and Cissokho leave without replacements joining first sounds very strange. Johnstone is very much one for the future. Definitely thought Bruce would have brought in some established top division players at this stage even on loan.
Yes, Dr said we are working on deals and I belive him, Bruce won't give up on the playoffs as long as there is a chance, we just need some re-inforcements
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Am I the only one wondering that Bruce and the board have decided this season is a write off and it's time to clear the decks once and for all. Letting Gestede and Cissokho leave without replacements joining first sounds very strange. Johnstone is very much one for the future. Definitely thought Bruce would have brought in some established top division players at this stage even on loan.
Yes, Dr said we are working on deals and I belive him, Bruce won't give up on the playoffs as long as there is a chance, we just need some re-inforcements
I believe there will some pragmatism here. The bank will not be broken now to "go for it" but likewise he cant give the fans and players the impression we have given up.
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In think they v will see it as getting it right for next season and if we get a few weeks going maybe take the momentum through this. With so many of the top 8 to play, wroth 3 or 4 of the right signings we could still make ground up very quickly.
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Am I the only one wondering that Bruce and the board have decided this season is a write off and it's time to clear the decks once and for all. Letting Gestede and Cissokho leave without replacements joining first sounds very strange. Johnstone is very much one for the future. Definitely thought Bruce would have brought in some established top division players at this stage even on loan.
Or maybe the Doctor is telling the truth in that it's proving difficult bringing in the players Bruce wants. Benitez has said something similar in being told that players he wants are not for sale or are overpriced. It's not just us.
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last summer's spending is going to bite us on the arse again isn't it?
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Last summers might, last January's not that's for sure.
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I see Robbie Keane is now finished with the MLS & is looking for a club in Blighty. I've no idea about how much dosh he'd be after, but even at 36 - I'd much prefer to have him up front than the 2 clowns that are currently doing Sweet Fanny Adams.
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I've heard a rumour that we have a player medical booked for tomorrow, so potential new signing coming in.
Of course it could be complete nonsense.
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I've heard a rumour that we have a player medical booked for tomorrow, so potential new signing coming in.
Of course it could be complete nonsense.
The guy it's come from was spot on during the summer and also said last week that nothing would happen till the middle of this week
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Moxley says we have now submitted a bid for Rhodes.
The S*n says Hourihane has set his heart on coming to Villa either now or in the summer. So he'll be off to Wednesday, then.
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Never been impressed whenever I've seen Rhodes play. A very average footballer who belongs in the Championship, perfect for us then.
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Never been impressed whenever I've seen Rhodes play. A very average footballer who belongs in the Championship, perfect for us then.
I suppose average is better than 'wank' in Gabbys case, but if we get the right service in, will Rhodes be more likely to score loads than McCormack? And if he continues to play with 1 central striker and 2 wide forwards I think it's barmy to buy another expensive centre forward.
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If he really was our no 1 target, why on earth didn't we do it when we sold Gestede?
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If Bruce doesn't address the midfield problem, bringing in another forward would be just bringing in a player for the sake of it. Something he said we have done in the past and we wouldn't repeat going forward.
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Our scouting for forwards seems to consist of looking at who has scored loads of goals in the Championship, buying them and not worrying about how to play to their strengths.
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If he really was our no 1 target, why on earth didn't we do it when we sold Gestede?
Cause they wouldn't let him go then, not until they had another striker done
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If he really was our no 1 target, why on earth didn't we do it when we sold Gestede?
Cause they wouldn't let him go then, not until they had another striker done
That's probably right. They let David Nugent go so letting Rhodes go would have left them with Negredo and Gestede.
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And Stuani, who seems to be ahead of both Rhodes and Nugent anyway.
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And Stuani, who seems to be ahead of both Rhodes and Nugent anyway.
I thought he was an attacking midfielder? Didn't realise he was a striker.
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If it meant that we don't spend on the midfield in the summer and we could bring in Hourihane and Lansbury now, I'd rather do it now. They will be settled by the summer and fully understand the expectations of the club. (It also shows how very impatient I am!) 10 points off the playoff's seems like a lot at the moment, but we shouldn't wave the white flag. Particularly as we have them all still to play.
Rhodes, is a goal hanging oaf. His work rate is similar to that of Darren Bent. He certainly knows where the back of the net is. He will have to have a midfield who supports and provides. For that reason, today, he'd be a useless purchase. But, in two weeks, with the midfield sorted, he'd be a good purchase. He scores goals. We need goals.
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And Stuani, who seems to be ahead of both Rhodes and Nugent anyway.
I thought he was an attacking midfielder? Didn't realise he was a striker.
I think I remember them playing him on his own up front earlier in the season when they were without Negredo.
But could easily be wrong on that.
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If Bruce doesn't address the midfield problem, bringing in another forward would be just bringing in a player for the sake of it. Something he said we have done in the past and we wouldn't repeat going forward.
We desperately need to sort out both areas though.
We need a forward who can hold the ball up and bring other players into the game, especially away from home. And, of course, we also need central midfielders who can control the game and take the game to the opposition as well.
It's easy to see the midfield problems, but the centre forward ones seem just as much of an issue to me.
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I think boro want £10 million for Rhodes, if they do I hope that we tell them to do one!
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Lyon midfielder Gueida Fofana has been forced to retire at the age of 25 after failing to overcome an ankle injury.
Was this the bloke we were linked with ages ago (possibly Houllier time)?
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Rumours of that Barnsley Kid coming and McCormack to Derby
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If he doesn't go to Fulham that is
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Lyon midfielder Gueida Fofana has been forced to retire at the age of 25 after failing to overcome an ankle injury.
Was this the bloke we were linked with ages ago (possibly Houllier time)?
we were linked with his brother last week.
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If Bruce doesn't address the midfield problem, bringing in another forward would be just bringing in a player for the sake of it. Something he said we have done in the past and we wouldn't repeat going forward.
We desperately need to sort out both areas though.
We need a forward who can hold the ball up and bring other players into the game, especially away from home. And, of course, we also need central midfielders who can control the game and take the game to the opposition as well.
It's easy to see the midfield problems, but the centre forward ones seem just as much of an issue to me.
I'm not disputing that but what I said was that it would be a waste of money in isolation. Bringing in a forward will not offset the issues in midfield.
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If Bruce doesn't address the midfield problem, bringing in another forward would be just bringing in a player for the sake of it. Something he said we have done in the past and we wouldn't repeat going forward.
We desperately need to sort out both areas though.
We need a forward who can hold the ball up and bring other players into the game, especially away from home. And, of course, we also need central midfielders who can control the game and take the game to the opposition as well.
It's easy to see the midfield problems, but the centre forward ones seem just as much of an issue to me.
I'm not disputing that but what I said was that it would be a waste of money in isolation. Bringing in a forward will not offset the issues in midfield.
Absolutely - I said we need to sort both out.
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If he doesn't go to Fulham that is
Well I hope somebody takes him (McCormack) off our hands asap - as we might just get a replacement in who might actually give a shit about playing for us. I guess we can but hope...
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reports of a £10m bid for Rhodes being turned down by Boro - apparently we offered £6m up front with add ons
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Rhodes like McCormack has always scored goals in this division although they've barely had a promotion challenge between them, Rhodes was parachuted into one last Jan but wasn't there for the groundwork.
Personally I think the experience with McCormack should act as a huge warning that stats aren't everything, we need goals throughout a functioning team not a goalscorer who is a passenger.
Also happy that there seems to be a focus on shifting players out as much as players in, this is an overhaul job that will take 2/3 transfer windows so club has to be prudent and balance the books....whilst leaving us with a balanced squad not a mishmash of individuals.
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Rhodes would be a Colossus for us.
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Pat Murphy just tweeted:
"I understand Jordan Rhodes won't be coming to @AVFCOfficial after an enquiry to Boro".
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Moderately interesting, possibly, but 6 years ago today we signed Darren Bent.
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Pat Murphy just tweeted:
"I understand Jordan Rhodes won't be coming to @AVFCOfficial after an enquiry to Boro".
I hope Pat's right.
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Moderately interesting, possibly, but 6 years ago today we signed Darren Bent.
£24m - World - ''Villa are desperate'' Us - ''Count the Benjamins suckas, we mean business''.
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Why don't we confront Villasboro head on with a fax, "Mikkel Beck £1.75m* offer, take it or leave it!"
*alice band add ons bringing it up to £2m
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Fine with Rhodes, if we are bringing in a creative midfielder or two and a winger n'all.
In our current set-up, it's pointless.
Gary Shaw, Careca and even Gary Penrice would struggle with Jedinak and Gardwood supplying the bullets. You need Go Go Gadget legs just to keep some of Jedinak's 'passes' in play.
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Super Gary Penrice
(http://thumb.ibb.co/keyg1F/IMG_1722.jpg) (http://ibb.co/keyg1F)
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Super Gary Penrice
(http://thumb.ibb.co/keyg1F/IMG_1722.jpg) (http://ibb.co/keyg1F)
1 goal in 20 appearances for the Villa, surprised he got one as he was shit.
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You mean you can't remember it?
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You mean you can't remember it?
I thought it was a mazy run against Arsenal ok maybe not mazy
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You mean you can't remember it?
Against the champions too.
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Pat Murphy just tweeted:
"I understand Jordan Rhodes won't be coming to @AVFCOfficial after an enquiry to Boro".
That might well be true, but I'd imagine Rhodes won't be hanging about at Boro' for long - as they've just signed Bamford from Chelski.
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According to L'Equipe, Amavi has decided against leaving Villa in the middle of the season and is keen to continue at the Championship club at least until the end of the campaign.
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According to L'Equipe, Amavi has decided against leaving Villa in the middle of the season and is keen to continue at the Championship club at least until the end of the campaign.
That's nice of him.
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Pat Murphy just tweeted:
"I understand Jordan Rhodes won't be coming to @AVFCOfficial after an enquiry to Boro".
That might well be true, but I'd imagine Rhodes won't be hanging about at Boro' for long - as they've just signed Bamford from Chelski.
Unless Rhodes and Gestede re-kindle their undying goalscoring together ...
... yeah, you're right: I need to take my medication.
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If we did want rhodes seems a bit odd we didnt tie it in with the gestede deal
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If we did want rhodes seems a bit odd we didnt tie it in with the gestede deal
I think they wanted to replace him first with Banford
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Super Gary Penrice
(http://thumb.ibb.co/keyg1F/IMG_1722.jpg) (http://ibb.co/keyg1F)
Bristol Rovers legend
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If we did want rhodes seems a bit odd we didnt tie it in with the gestede deal
BUT why didn't Gareth Barry take the penalty at Arsenal
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Rhodes would be a Colossus for us.
He could cause lot of Chaos for opposition defences.
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It's all Greek to me.
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Talking of all things Greek, I read that Olimpiakos' RB wants a move now he's seen who is coming in as LB ;-)
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BOB MANSFIELD. Could you be Bob Mansfield? The caps hurt my eyes.
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Better still Bob Personsfield.
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No relation to KEITH MANSFIELD? The KPM composer of nearly every brilliant sporting TV theme (Grandstand, Wimbledon, The Big Match) from the 60's onward?
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Was bob born in Mansfield.? Maybe Nott
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This is a MANSFIELD
This is a MANSFIELD
But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing
Without a woman or a girl
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Considering we knew we needed two midfielders from the get go , this doesn't look good.
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Was bob born in Mansfield.? Maybe Nott
Leicester of that
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is there any danger of us actually signing someone? Saturday is going to be tortuous based on recent performances, if not.
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is there any danger of us actually signing someone? Saturday is going to be tortuous based on recent performances, if not.
The club are trying their hardest to bring players in-They are not purposely submitting silly bids that they know will be rejected. If the selling club refuse, what are we supposed to do? Double our offer because it's absolutely essential that we get a player in for January.
As it happens, we will end up playing only 3 games in January (league) & that's counting the game on the 2nd. We really have time now as we only have Saturdays game to worry about.
We have this every year-Constant bleating about lack of activity in January. It is traditionally hard to sign players in this window, why should it be any diferent this year? I saw Sam Allerdyce yesterday stating that Crystal Palace had up to 8 offers in for players yet only one had signed. Both clubs and players are juggling still, waiting to see who bids. A plan A for us could be someone elses plan B and until that someone else decide what they are doing, it is unlikely that the player in question will join us. In a ficticious scenario, both ourselves and Palace could be in for Brady at Norwich. Brady will be keen to go to the PL and until the Palace interest dies, or they look elsewhere, he won't consider our offer.
We are going to get players in-Of that there is no doubt. We're not the only club who haven't set the world alight so far-Unless you want the type of player that nobody else wants, you have to be patient. It is definately not as simple as putting an offer in and buying a player.
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is there any danger of us actually signing someone? Saturday is going to be tortuous based on recent performances, if not.
I saw Sam Allerdyce yesterday stating that Crystal Palace had up to 8 offers in for players yet only one had signed.
If they had all been accepted, would he have been screwed financially like in Football Manager?
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is there any danger of us actually signing someone? Saturday is going to be tortuous based on recent performances, if not.
I saw Sam Allerdyce yesterday stating that Crystal Palace had up to 8 offers in for players yet only one had signed.
If they had all been accepted, would he have been screwed financially like in Football Manager?
No, more like Leeds.
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is there any danger of us actually signing someone? Saturday is going to be tortuous based on recent performances, if not.
I saw Sam Allerdyce yesterday stating that Crystal Palace had up to 8 offers in for players yet only one had signed.
If they had all been accepted, would he have been screwed financially like in Football Manager?
No
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you do realize that there was more than a hint of facetiousness in my post?
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Super Gary Penrice
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1 goal in 20 appearances for the Villa, surprised he got one as he was shit.
he scored in a 3-1 against Arsenal in 91, was my first game as well
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you do realize that there was more than a hint of facetiousness in my post?
No-I'd never have guessed. Thanks for explaining it to me.
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No problem
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With Andi Weimann going to Wolves on loan, I wonder if Rhodes will end up at Derby?
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With Andi Weimann going to Wolves on loan, I wonder if Rhodes will end up at Derby?
Derby have been in for a striker all window. They are currently relying on Bent and have been previously linked with Rhodes.
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I thought that Derby had signed Nugent
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they have
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yes but he asked if they had signed a striker
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With Andi Weimann going to Wolves on loan, I wonder if Rhodes will end up at Derby?
I thought Westwood and Weimann always seemed to play well together ... are you listening, Lamberk?!
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Regarding the angst about timing of signings, getting pants pulled down on fees etc. The obvious answer to all that is to avoid heading into transfer windows whilst being desperate for new signings, which we've not been very good at for the past few years.
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Looks as if we might be close to Lansbury.John Percy is reporting fee of 3million and within the next 24 hours.
Also linked to a 17 year old from Bury.
http://www.burytimes.co.uk/sport/football/shakers/15033860.Villa_heading_hunt_for_Bedeau/?ref=twtrec
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I'd rather Bruce not sign anyone if he can't get the players he wants. We're not going down, so maybe try some of the players he wants to keep and try some of the younger players with them. Then, in the Summer, hopefully he can get the players he wants to give us 1) a chance of going up, and 2) a chance of staying up after going up.
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Lansbury in before the weekend apparantly.
Albion spending £27m on Ighalo and Livermore. Football has gone mad.
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I think getting in 2 decent central midfielders would make a massive difference to us.
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I think getting in 2 decent central midfielders would make a massive difference to us.
And a right back
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Regarding the angst about timing of signings, getting pants pulled down on fees etc. The obvious answer to all that is to avoid heading into transfer windows whilst being desperate for new signings, which we've not been very good at for the past few years.
I agree, I think a big part of this is that we seem to constantly look at things as "if we add x,y,z then we'll be fine" and the whole club is then infected by the idea of getting to the next window so we can fix stuff rather than working on fixing it at BMH.
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Looks as if we might be close to Lansbury.John Percy is reporting fee of 3million and within the next 24 hours.
Also linked to a 17 year old from Bury.
http://www.burytimes.co.uk/sport/football/shakers/15033860.Villa_heading_hunt_for_Bedeau/?ref=twtrec
I asked a Bury fan at work if this kid was any good and he had to Google him!
On that basis I would suggest he was very much one for the future rather than the promotion push (ahem) this season
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With Andi Weimann going to Wolves on loan, I wonder if Rhodes will end up at Derby?
I thought Westwood and Weimann always seemed to play well together ... are you listening, Lamberk?!
I see another Lambert signing has made a move. Jordan Bowery has gone on loan to Crewe. His career since leaving Villa in 2014 - Rotherham -loaned to Bradford - Oxford - Leyton Orient - Loaned To Crewe.
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Lansbury in before the weekend apparantly.
Albion spending £27m on Ighalo and Livermore. Football has gone mad.
Christ you could buy everybody and everything in West Bromwich and still have a lottery win in change from £27million!
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week, hasn't anyone realised we are in division 2!!!
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week, hasn't anyone realised we are in division 2!!!
That is ridiculous.
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Bloody hell, that seems an awful amount of money.
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come from the fact we aren't paying the nearly £10m we would have to in transfer fees. he can command a higher salary. Lets just hope he doesn't just rest on his laurels when/if he gets here.
Hourihane would be a a much more economical signing if the numbers reported are anyway accurate - he'd also offer us balance we haven't had since the snake left
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week, hasn't anyone realised we are in division 2!!!
The Jenkinson to Palace deal is on hold because he wanted an increase from his Arsenal bench-warming wages of ...... 40k per week
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/19/arsenal-arsene-wenger-premier-league-title-moment-of-truth
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week, hasn't anyone realised we are in division 2!!!
The Jenkinson to Palace deal is on hold because he wanted an increase from his Arsenal bench-warming wages of ...... 40k per week
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/19/arsenal-arsene-wenger-premier-league-title-moment-of-truth
What a twat. He's made 5 appearances this season and is jeopardising a move because he wants more than his current £40k. It's hard not to hate these players sometimes.
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Didn't realise Lansbury hasn't played since 11 Dec due to hamstring. Hope he's fit enough to hit the ground running.
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think he's been fit for the last week or two but not in the right head space to be selected
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is there any danger of us actually signing someone? Saturday is going to be tortuous based on recent performances, if not.
The club are trying their hardest to bring players in-They are not purposely submitting silly bids that they know will be rejected. If the selling club refuse, what are we supposed to do? Double our offer because it's absolutely essential that we get a player in for January.
As it happens, we will end up playing only 3 games in January (league) & that's counting the game on the 2nd. We really have time now as we only have Saturdays game to worry about.
We have this every year-Constant bleating about lack of activity in January. It is traditionally hard to sign players in this window, why should it be any diferent this year? I saw Sam Allerdyce yesterday stating that Crystal Palace had up to 8 offers in for players yet only one had signed. Both clubs and players are juggling still, waiting to see who bids. A plan A for us could be someone elses plan B and until that someone else decide what they are doing, it is unlikely that the player in question will join us. In a ficticious scenario, both ourselves and Palace could be in for Brady at Norwich. Brady will be keen to go to the PL and until the Palace interest dies, or they look elsewhere, he won't consider our offer.
We are going to get players in-Of that there is no doubt. We're not the only club who haven't set the world alight so far-Unless you want the type of player that nobody else wants, you have to be patient. It is definately not as simple as putting an offer in and buying a player.
Agree - by my reckoning Sam Johnstone = 1/1 in signings for Bruce so far- young with ability, yes it would be great to get another 4 in (Three midfielders and one forward ) as I don't think our defence is anywhere near as bad as people think and would certainly be helped with options to pass out to and support from a midfield , but if we only get two more mid twenty year olds in this window then we are still building. Rather that than 5 29 year olds who end up being 30 by September -we'd have to look at ground improvements to make a bigger stronger bench to take the weight
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Someone I know who knows someone who plays for the Academy (yeah, I know) reckons Lansbury has signed.
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Bloody hell, that seems an awful amount of money.
it is for a 90 year old detective
but I guess only 3 mil fee balances it i a bit
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come from the fact we aren't paying the nearly £10m we would have to in transfer fees. he can command a higher salary. Lets just hope he doesn't just rest on his laurels when/if he gets here.
Hourihane would be a a much more economical signing if the numbers reported are anyway accurate - he'd also offer us balance we haven't had since the snake left
if we were paying 10 million in transfer fees then that would be equally ludicrous in its own right
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come from the fact we aren't paying the nearly £10m we would have to in transfer fees. he can command a higher salary. Lets just hope he doesn't just rest on his laurels when/if he gets here.
Hourihane would be a a much more economical signing if the numbers reported are anyway accurate - he'd also offer us balance we haven't had since the snake left
if we were paying 10 million in transfer fees then that would be equally ludicrous in its own right
I never said it wasn't a mad amount but it wouldn't be surprising if that was quoted should he have had longer on his contract. Look at the quotes for Cairney at Fulham...
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Agree - by my reckoning Sam Johnstone = 1/1 in signings for Bruce so far- young with ability, yes it would be great to get another 4 in (Three midfielders and one forward )
I thought we were after two midfielders and a right back
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The Bury defender story now on the Beeb: http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38680972?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Hourihane now 1/4 odds to join us. Apparently ( according to the Meaning Evil) if he was'nt transferred now , for approx 1mil , he would join on a free in the summer.
So, a no -brainer for Barnsley, essentially, all or nothing.......Godzvilla!
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week, hasn't anyone realised we are in division 2!!!
That is ridiculous.
20th biggest wage bill in Europe
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week, hasn't anyone realised we are in division 2!!!
That is ridiculous.
20th biggest wage bill in Europe
even now?
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week.
Absolute madness if true. Especially when the highest paid player at Leeds is on 17k.
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We are much bigger and much wealthier than Leeds, and his contract expires this Summer. We were always going to pay over the odds.
If his contract expired in 2019, we might have paid him 20k a week but spent a £6 million transfer fee. So it's not like we are massively losing out.
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Lansbury rumoured to be 40k per week, hasn't anyone realised we are in division 2!!!
That is ridiculous.
20th biggest wage bill in Europe
even now?
Any article on this is a complete misrepresentation of the facts. The data relates to FY15. Since then, we have sold a number of our high profile players, who will have been on larger salaries and been relegated, which caused a lot of the squads' salaries to be dramatically reduced. Couple that with the fact that the new Premier League mega money will have pushed a few teams above us and we will be much further down the pecking order than the report suggests.
Having said all that, we probably still pay an unsustainable amount in wages and another £40k per week for Lansbury probably doesn't help
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Imagine spending the last two weeks lamenting lack of signings and then when we are on the verge of buying one of the best midfield players in the championship, people lament the wages. Bizarre
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£40k for Lansbury or £20k for Westwood??
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
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We are much bigger and much wealthier than Leeds, and his contract expires this Summer. We were always going to pay over the odds.
If his contract expired in 2019, we might have paid him 20k a week but spent a £6 million transfer fee. So it's not like we are massively losing out.
Sometimes I think it would be better in terms of psychology (and keeping a manageable wage bill) to just pay the player a big signing on fee to reflect the reduced transfer fee and keep the wages sensible. That way he wouldn't have the £40k per week millstone round his neck.
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I've not really seen much of Lansbury so dont know if he is worth £40k a week, if indeed anyone can be. Thing is though, if it doesnt work out, and he does seem to be something of a 'maverick' then if he's been vastly overpaid then he'll be far harder to shift on.
© Brummie pessimism.
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I've not really seen much of Lansbury so dont know if he is worth £40k a week, if indeed anyone can be. Thing is though, if it doesnt work out, and he does seem to be something of a 'maverick' then if he's been vastly overpaid then he'll be far harder to shift on.
© Brummie pessimism.
He's not even officially signed yet.............
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I would imagine £3 million for Lansbury being soon out of contract is good value , look at the dross going for a lot more around the leagues. so I would imagine this has been put in his wages .
I would say he is £6 million value player looking at the likes of Livermore , Bamford etc
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Reports that our bid for Hourihanehas Ben accepted
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Reports that our bid for Hourihanehas Ben accepted
Where??
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Reports that our bid for Hourihanehas Ben accepted
We both found what we've been looking for
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Reports that our bid for Hourihanehas Ben accepted
Where??
Daily Mail are reporting on their live feed that we've had a bid accepted and he could be here for a medical along with Lansbury tonight.
A midfield of those two plus Jedinak would be quite something for this league.
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Just imagine folks, we may have a midfield again. I fondly remember those days of old.
Hopefully Lansbury in, we then need another midfielder and a right back I reckon.
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Reports that our bid for Hourihanehas Ben accepted
In thee ol' Yorkshire Post, Barnsley boss, Heckingbottom (what an ace Yorkshire name) denies any approach or offer.
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
I'm twice as good as Pointy- but I'll settle for £30K a week
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
I'm twice as good as Pointy- but I'll settle for £30K a week
You'd have to stop driving the Danville train, though. No contest.
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Reports that our bid for Hourihanehas Ben accepted
In thee ol' Yorkshire Post, Barnsley boss, Heckingbottom (what an ace Yorkshire name) denies any approach or offer.
He's probably talking out of his arse.
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
I'm twice as good as Pointy- but I'll settle for £30K a week
Really? No, really??
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
I'm twice as good as Pointy- but I'll settle for £30K a week
You'd have to stop driving the Danville train, though. No contest.
Also, you shouldn't care if the money's no good.
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Reports that our bid for Hourihanehas Ben accepted
We both found what we've been looking for
Haha I got it. You've got a friend in me (you've got a friend in me)
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
I'm twice as good as Pointy- but I'll settle for £30K a week
You'd have to stop driving the Danville train, though. No contest.
Also, you shouldn't care if the money's no good.
And probably best not to take your wife to Tennessee. If you do, hide the binocs.
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Tony's tweet when asked about signings before Sat:
50%-->95%-->? Tonight?
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
I'm twice as good as Pointy- but I'll settle for £30K a week
You'd have to stop driving the Danville train, though. No contest.
Also, you shouldn't care if the money's no good.
And probably best not to take your wife to Tennessee. If you do, hide the binocs.
The bells are ringing
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38680972
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That's a lot for a lower league unproven teenage player . I hope he's not being signed for sake of it! I know in overall terms not much but is also a massive help to bury and think theres a reason they have to take what they can for assets. I won't be convinced by this guy as he'll be very raw
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If you don't take a punt, you don't get a new Barry/Bale.
Their fans say he isn't ready for their first team.
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It's peanuts. About the same as we paid for Neil Cox around a thousand years ago.
Good luck to him, I do like to see us planning for the future.
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"I'd be surprised if we managed to keep hold of them all, I genuinely would," Brass told BBC Radio Manchester.
"The interest that has been shown is on a major level, it is not just paper talk."
The Bury manager's not keen to sell is he?
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38680972
Bit of an odd one
Released by orient in the summer for nothing, plays 7 times for bury and is now worth 750k?
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That's a lot for a lower league unproven teenage player . I hope he's not being signed for sake of it! I know in overall terms not much but is also a massive help to bury and think theres a reason they have to take what they can for assets. I won't be convinced by this guy as he'll be very raw
What are you on about, it's absolute chicken feed in this day and age.
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"I'd be surprised if we managed to keep hold of them all, I genuinely would," Brass told BBC Radio Manchester.
"The interest that has been shown is on a major level, it is not just paper talk."
The Bury manager's not keen to sell is he?
Or bigging them up because they want top dollar, who would have thought ::)
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"I'd be surprised if we managed to keep hold of them all, I genuinely would," Brass told BBC Radio Manchester.
"The interest that has been shown is on a major level, it is not just paper talk."
The Bury manager's not keen to sell is he?
Or bigging them up because they want top dollar, who would have thought ::)
Yeah, I think Hopodop knows that.
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"I'd be surprised if we managed to keep hold of them all, I genuinely would," Brass told BBC Radio Manchester.
"The interest that has been shown is on a major level, it is not just paper talk."
The Bury manager's not keen to sell is he?
Or bigging them up because they want top dollar, who would have thought ::)
Yeah, I think Hopodop knows that.
Oh the irony :-[
Ktf
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bit harsh on Lansbury really - he's got to be more than twice as good as pointy
I'm twice as good as Pointy- but I'll settle for £30K a week
You'd have to stop driving the Danville train, though. No contest.
Also, you shouldn't care if the money's no good.
And probably best not to take your wife to Tennessee. If you do, hide the binocs.
The bells are ringing
Is this the mud Bedeau my feet?
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His brother Philo has an orangutan called Clyde.
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
Think Bruce has still got to decide on a formation that is going to get the best out of them. I was happy with his signing, but the more I see of Jedinak I just don't think he is the answer if we are going to play any kind of decent football.
Still hoping to see a forward come in.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38680972
Bit of an odd one
Released by orient in the summer for nothing, plays 7 times for bury and is now worth 750k?
The kid is developing and it's not 7 million so well worth a punt.
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His brother Philo has an orangutan called Clyde.
You are far too clever for rest of us Brummies Brian.
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His brother Philo has an orangutan called Clyde.
You are far too clever for rest of us Brummies Brian.
Ooh! Every which way but loose!
Sorry. Got a bit excited there.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38680972
Bit of an odd one
Released by orient in the summer for nothing, plays 7 times for bury and is now worth 750k?
The kid is developing and it's not 7 million so well worth a punt.
Perhaps or really putting it out there play some of our own youth
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
Think Bruce has still got to decide on a formation that is going to get the best out of them. I was happy with his signing, but the more I see of Jedinak I just don't think he is the answer if we are going to play any kind of decent football.
Still hoping to see a forward come in.
I think jedinak could be a centre half
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I don't think it hurts taking a punt on a player like that every now and again. It's worked for other teams and if it doesn't, we haven't lost a fortune.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38680972
Bit of an odd one
Released by orient in the summer for nothing, plays 7 times for bury and is now worth 750k?
The kid is developing and it's not 7 million so well worth a punt.
Perhaps or really putting it out there play some of our own youth
OK I agree on that. We just don't take enough chances with our own kids.
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
Think Bruce has still got to decide on a formation that is going to get the best out of them. I was happy with his signing, but the more I see of Jedinak I just don't think he is the answer if we are going to play any kind of decent football.
Still hoping to see a forward come in.
I think jedinak could be a centre half
If he were he will never be out of position.
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I still think Jedinak can play anywhere. His principal function is to look crazy and scare the shit out of anybody he can get close enough to kick. Needs a couple of sachets of Andrews Liver Salts in his cheeks like a hamster. When we are under the cosh defensively he could foam at the mouth.
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A lot of talk on Twitter that Ross McCormack's going to re-sign for Fulham on Tuesday and then Ulloa will sign for us.
One guys even says "Put your mortgage on it." So I have and I can't wait to see my wife's face when it all works out.
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4 3 3 or 532 with Jedinak able to sit in and not have to run much.
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A lot of talk on Twitter that Ross McCormack's going to re-sign for Fulham on Tuesday and then Ulloa will sign for us.
One guys even says "Put your mortgage on it." So I have and I can't wait to see my wife's face when it all works out.
Why wait till Tuesday ? Never put off till tomorrow something you can do today! I want it....and I want it now !
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I thought I'd seen that Ulloa wanted to go to Alaves.
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There goes your house Mr Olney.
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Oh...and your wife too probably.
And the kids, the dog and the mother-in-law.
Silver linings by the score, eh? (Joke) :-)
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
Think Bruce has still got to decide on a formation that is going to get the best out of them. I was happy with his signing, but the more I see of Jedinak I just don't think he is the answer if we are going to play any kind of decent football.
Still hoping to see a forward come in.
I think jedinak could be a centre half
Me too. I think he'd make a top notch centre half
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4 3 3 or 532 with Jedinak able to sit in and not have to run much.
Three in midfield would be my choice, but my concern with 4-3-3 is that Kodjia isn't an 'out-and-out" striker and has looked better when partnered with someone up there.
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
Think Bruce has still got to decide on a formation that is going to get the best out of them. I was happy with his signing, but the more I see of Jedinak I just don't think he is the answer if we are going to play any kind of decent football.
Still hoping to see a forward come in.
I think jedinak could be a centre half
Me too. I think he'd make a top notch centre half
Yep, I'd agree with this
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
Think Bruce has still got to decide on a formation that is going to get the best out of them. I was happy with his signing, but the more I see of Jedinak I just don't think he is the answer if we are going to play any kind of decent football.
Still hoping to see a forward come in.
I think jedinak could be a centre half
Me too. I think he'd make a top notch centre half
Yep, I'd agree with this
I posted somewhere else, I'd get a right back who can attack and have Jedi drop into the defence when we have the ball so both full backs can go forward and when we lose it he can be the one who comes forward and tries to win it 'early' in front of the defence. Think of it as completely reversing the idea of a libero.
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To get two goalscoring midfielders into the club in a week and both captains at their current club, for a combined £4m would be very good going.
Think Bruce has still got to decide on a formation that is going to get the best out of them. I was happy with his signing, but the more I see of Jedinak I just don't think he is the answer if we are going to play any kind of decent football.
Still hoping to see a forward come in.
I think jedinak could be a centre half
Me too. I think he'd make a top notch centre half
Yep, I'd agree with this
I posted somewhere else, I'd get a right back who can attack and have Jedi drop into the defence when we have the ball so both full backs can go forward and when we lose it he can be the one who comes forward and tries to win it 'early' in front of the defence. Think of it as completely reversing the idea of a libero.
When Scott Parker played for Fulham against us.He moved into midfield as a support when their more advanced players had possession and went into the back 3 when we attacked or their defenders had the ball.If Jedi plays the role that you suggest then it would need more mobile midfielders and more of a pressing game.It would certainly be a more flexible system.Interesting to see Sanchez played well in the back 3 for Fiorentina in their win over Juventus.Similar player to Jedi.
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I'm quite liking this transfer window where we appear to be having to box clever rather than throw cash about...I don't pretend to understand FFP but have seen it mentioned in enough transfer stories to assume that the club have briefed the press guys that it is a consideration.
Gestede, Gollini & Cissohko is I guess 90-100k a wk in wages & 6m in...Johnstone, Lansbury & Hourihane if it is right he'll be next is perhaps 80k & 4.5m out?? Gives a bit of budget for the younger signings be it Donkor, Bedeau or Bree?
Then we get to strikers, if FFP is an issue I'd guess the only way we get Rhodes if that is who SB wants is to sell Ayew &/or McCormack?
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4 3 3 or 532 with Jedinak able to sit in and not have to run much.
This. Get Amavi playing well and a right-back in and it looks decent. Full backs push on and Jedinak can drop back, like Dier was doing for Spurs last year.
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4 3 3 or 532 with Jedinak able to sit in and not have to run much.
This. Get Amavi playing well and a right-back in and it looks decent. Full backs push on and Jedinak can drop back, like Dier was doing for Spurs last year.
He does it this year as well, it's why Rose and Walker look so good. It's also exactly the player I had in mind when I was thinking about ways to use Jedinak that don't expose his inability to pass under pressure.
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Agreed. Re passing under pressure the 2 possibly coming in might give him easier options than he currently has to do may improve his game. I certainly think McCormack will enjoy having midfielders who are happy to get up and around the box with him. Hell even Gabby might. We have been starved of a good midfield for a long time, partly through having poor options and last season because we got it wrong despite having some capable players. Fingers crossed these 2 can solve it. Both are a good age too.
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...if FFP is an issue
Why would it be?
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I think jedinak could be a centre half
I think that is a really good call. It would quite exciting to have a conversion like that as well, similar to Southgate , and the opposite of Barry (both in terms of position and age).
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I think jedinak could be a centre half
I think that is a really good call. It would quite exciting to have a conversion like that as well, similar to Southgate , and the opposite of Barry (both in terms of position and age).
Bad idea, he has the turning circle of a channel ferry.
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Doc X tweeted it is 99.9% done and will be announced at noon tomorrow... then maybe more to come.
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4 3 3 or 532 with Jedinak able to sit in and not have to run much.
Three in midfield would be my choice, but my concern with 4-3-3 is that Kodjia isn't an 'out-and-out" striker and has looked better when partnered with someone up there.
I reckon this is what Bruce has in mind:
Johnstone
Bree Chester baker amavi
Lansbury Jedinak hourihane
Adomah Rhodes kodjia
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We've been linked to Darnell Furlong young QPR right back, yes I believe he is Small Heath's Hall of fame Furlong's son.
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Ive been critical of Amavi but to be honest all fullbacks struggle when they dont have mobile midfielders coming out wide to support them ... they are left exposed. With Jedinak holding Lansbury and Hourinane covering then perhaps it will allow Amavi some protection.
Huttons a lost cause though
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We've been linked to Darnell Furlong young QPR right back, yes I believe he is Small Heath's Hall of fame Furlong's son.
I remember my nose mate at work coming back from his dinner break gushing that he'd seen a Mail billboard with 'Blues to spend £2m on Premier League Star' on it. How I laughed when our research uncovered that the 'star' was Paul Furlong.
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I think jedinak could be a centre half
I think that is a really good call. It would quite exciting to have a conversion like that as well, similar to Southgate , and the opposite of Barry (both in terms of position and age).
Bad idea, he has the turning circle of a channel ferry.
Jedi in 4-4-2 = No, he's far too slow
Jedi in 3-5-3 = Maybe
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I think jedinak could be a centre half
I think that is a really good call. It would quite exciting to have a conversion like that as well, similar to Southgate , and the opposite of Barry (both in terms of position and age).
Bad idea, he has the turning circle of a channel ferry.
Jedi in 4-4-2 = No, he's far too slow
Jedi in 3-5-3 = Maybe
Well anybody is going to look better if we're allowed to play 11 vs 12
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if we could play 14ish v 11 we'd be in the play offs for sure
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14ishibola would make a difference I agree.
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Jedinak would be perfect to drop in when our fb's go forward. probably on a par with benteke and laursen as the best header(er?) of a ball in recent times. It amazes me - hes not particularly big, hasnt got a great leap on him and generally doesnt take a massive run up but seems to win everything. Its like a natural instinct on starting position and timing of jump.
On the flip side, if we construct an attacking midfield we may be able to take some of the attacking pressure off Hutton
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...if FFP is an issue
Why would it be?
It's been mentioned in transfer stories so is a question
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I think jedinak could be a centre half
I think that is a really good call. It would quite exciting to have a conversion like that as well, similar to Southgate , and the opposite of Barry (both in terms of position and age).
Bad idea, he has the turning circle of a channel ferry.
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We've been linked to Darnell Furlong young QPR right back, yes I believe he is Small Heath's Hall of fame Furlong's son.
It'll be a race for his signature that Villa lose by a short head
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I think Jedinak would make a terrible Centre Half.
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Surprised we haven't been linked with Elmohammady. Bruce had him at Sunderland and Hull didn't he? Attacking right-full back.
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I think Jedinak would make a terrible Centre Half.
Me too. For me, it is more crucial that we replace him in midfield (probably the summer now) than it is to replace Hutton at RB. Jedinak is on the rapid decline and his best days are long behind him. The sooner he is used purely as a squad player, the better. I know Tish is far from the finished article but I'd love to see him play 5 or 6 games as the holding midfielder, behind the likes of Lansbry, Hourihane etc. I think that given the onus is less on bombing forward and rushing back, Tish has it in him to develop in a less energetic role in front of the back 4.
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I kept an eye on Tishbola during the Wolves game, he might develop into a good combative midfielder in time, strong, athletic etc but his awareness of runners behind him was Westwood-esque. I can see why Bruce doesn't quite trust him to play the role yet.
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I think jedinak could be a centre half
I think that is a really good call. It would quite exciting to have a conversion like that as well, similar to Southgate , and the opposite of Barry (both in terms of position and age).
Bad idea, he has the turning circle of a channel ferry.
I was thinking in a 3 where Chester could cover and have 2 attacking full backs , 3 in midfield and 2 up top
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Just noticed Peter Whittingham has one of the best goals/assists records in the league from a midfielder. I think we need a proper left sided attacker, 400 appearance and 100 goals, good pro, former player, sounds like one to go for. Only downside is that he's 32 but a short term deal could be good.
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The Independent are saying that we’re turning our attention to Ashely Barnes at Burnley, having been priced-out of a move for Jordan Rhodes.
For me, he’d be ideal. We’ve been too hung-up on the idea of expecting prolific Championship goal scorers just to come and play for us and score lots of goals, with no eye on what system to play to suit them. McCormack and Gestede are prime examples of this, and Rhodes is another player, who will score lots of goals playing in a 4-4-2, but at what cost to the team?
Barnes is by no means prolific, but it’s no coincidence that Andre grey was when he played with him and Danny Ings too. He’s the type of striker that gives a team a focal-point in attack, occupies defenders, wins flick-ons and can hold the ball up. The likes of Kodjia, McCormack and Grealish would benefit enormously from him in my opinion. Hopefully having Lansbury and Hourihane would also enable us to play 2 Central midfielders without conceding too much in the middle of the park.
Yes please from me.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Rhodes is signed later in the window.
If Boro want £10m, who else wants to pay it? Maybe we'll get him on loan on deadline day?
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Wouldn't be surprised if Rhodes is signed later in the window.
If Boro want £10m, who else wants to pay it? Maybe we'll get him on loan on deadline day?
I'd just leave it well alone nad focus on getting a more productive MF. McCormack, Kodjia, Ayew and Adomah all have goals i nthem if we get the play right behind them.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Rhodes is signed later in the window.
If Boro want £10m, who else wants to pay it? Maybe we'll get him on loan on deadline day?
I've not written Rhodes off either. My gut feeling is that Boro are keener to offload than we are to buy. I suspect that £8 or £9 million would clinch it. I certainly don't like the sound of Ashley Barnes, that's for sure.
I'm encouraged by the thought of 2 strikers though. For some reason I had Bruce down as pretty rigid to 433. I'm old fashioned and far from an expert but give me 442 or its modern day variation and I'm quite contented-I even work out what each player is supposed to be doing after around 5 minutes, rather than spending the whole first half contemplating who should be doing what.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Rhodes is signed later in the window.
If Boro want £10m, who else wants to pay it? Maybe we'll get him on loan on deadline day?
I've not written Rhodes off either. My gut feeling is that Boro are keener to offload than we are to buy. I suspect that £8 or £9 million would clinch it. I certainly don't like the sound of Ashley Barnes, that's for sure.
I'm encouraged by the thought of 2 strikers though. For some reason I had Bruce down as pretty rigid to 433. I'm old fashioned and far from an expert but give me 442 or its modern day variation and I'm quite contented-I even work out what each player is supposed to be doing after around 5 minutes, rather than spending the whole first half contemplating who should be doing what.
I can only surmise that if SB is after Rhodes - like Rudy, proven not to have what it takes beyond a couple of seasons some while back - he must have a buyer for Ayew or McCormack.
Worrying that he's looking to spunk money on Rhodes; worrying that we still have Flabby; and worrying that he's looking at Barnes. None will do what we need, I suspect.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Rhodes is signed later in the window.
If Boro want £10m, who else wants to pay it? Maybe we'll get him on loan on deadline day?
I've not written Rhodes off either. My gut feeling is that Boro are keener to offload than we are to buy. I suspect that £8 or £9 million would clinch it. I certainly don't like the sound of Ashley Barnes, that's for sure.
I'm encouraged by the thought of 2 strikers though. For some reason I had Bruce down as pretty rigid to 433. I'm old fashioned and far from an expert but give me 442 or its modern day variation and I'm quite contented-I even work out what each player is supposed to be doing after around 5 minutes, rather than spending the whole first half contemplating who should be doing what.
I can only surmise that if SB is after Rhodes - like Rudy, proven not to have what it takes beyond a couple of seasons some while back - he must have a buyer for Ayew or McCormack.
Worrying that he's looking to spunk money on Rhodes; worrying that we still have Flabby; and worrying that he's looking at Barnes. None will do what we need, I suspect.
I can't accept the "beyond a couple of seasons" comment. On that basis, we would never have signed Kodjia, certainly not for the money asked.
I really like both RM & JA but I'm more or less at the point where I'm resigned to them not working out in the systems that we play. Rhodes is a bit more physical & aggressive, which is what I think we need as this is the one aspect that Kodjia lacks. Kodjia also appears to be a bit one dimensional when the goal is in front of him, so maybe a natural poacher like Rhodes is the best type to play alongside him? The "pretty" and the "ugly" if you like?
Just my own unqualified thoughts.
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I can't see us being after Ashley Barnes. Trying to sign a striker with a goal scoring record as good as Rhodes, then having Barnes as second choice wouldn't make sense. I might be wrong though.
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I would sooner offer Forest 10m for Assombalonga than have Rhodes.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Rhodes is signed later in the window.
If Boro want £10m, who else wants to pay it? Maybe we'll get him on loan on deadline day?
I've not written Rhodes off either. My gut feeling is that Boro are keener to offload than we are to buy. I suspect that £8 or £9 million would clinch it. I certainly don't like the sound of Ashley Barnes, that's for sure.
I'm encouraged by the thought of 2 strikers though. For some reason I had Bruce down as pretty rigid to 433. I'm old fashioned and far from an expert but give me 442 or its modern day variation and I'm quite contented-I even work out what each player is supposed to be doing after around 5 minutes, rather than spending the whole first half contemplating who should be doing what.
I can only surmise that if SB is after Rhodes - like Rudy, proven not to have what it takes beyond a couple of seasons some while back - he must have a buyer for Ayew or McCormack.
I can't accept the "beyond a couple of seasons" comment. On that basis, we would never have signed Kodjia, certainly not for the money asked.
Rhodes scored 17 goals last season, and in the seasons before that 21, 25, 30, 40, 22 and 23 goals respectively - that's 17 goals or over for the last 7 seasons.
Like him as a player or not, he hasn't been proven to not have what it takes, he wasn't just successful over a couple of seasons and it wasn't a while ago. Apart from that, I agree.
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I would sooner offer Forest 10m for Assombalonga than have Rhodes.
Crikey-They'd love us if we did.
I honestly don't know anything about him. I know there was talk in the summer and I've looked out for him since, just out of interest but I'd formed the opinion that he hadn't done a great deal.
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I can't see us being after Ashley Barnes. Trying to sign a striker with a goal scoring record as good as Rhodes, then having Barnes as second choice wouldn't make sense. I might be wrong though.
It's a Barnes type striker we need in my eyes. It would bring more out of the other strikers we have.
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If Peter Crouch gets his 100 up in the Prem on the weekend, how about a cheeky try to prise him away from Stoke [ to help them with the cash for boing-boing-berahino ]
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I can't see us being after Ashley Barnes. Trying to sign a striker with a goal scoring record as good as Rhodes, then having Barnes as second choice wouldn't make sense. I might be wrong though.
It's a Barnes type striker we need in my eyes. It would bring more out of the other strikers we have.
I kind of agree, we need a forward that can get 10- 15 goals bit do the dirty work, the channel ruining, high pressing etc. Tommy Johnson esque.
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I can't see us being after Ashley Barnes. Trying to sign a striker with a goal scoring record as good as Rhodes, then having Barnes as second choice wouldn't make sense. I might be wrong though.
It's a Barnes type striker we need in my eyes. It would bring more out of the other strikers we have.
I kind of agree, we need a forward that can get 10- 15 goals bit do the dirty work, the channel ruining, high pressing etc. Tommy Johnson esque.
I miss Super Tom.
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He would be great now wouldn't he.
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I would sooner offer Forest 10m for Assombalonga than have Rhodes.
Absolutely!
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Yup. With Savo and the lad from Tobago alongside him.
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I would sooner offer Forest 10m for Assombalonga than have Rhodes.
Absolutely
and me !
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Is that " absolutely " bring back Tommo ? or yes I'd waste £10m on a hot/cold Assombalonga ?
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Thinking further about it......I'd quite like a hot/cold Assombolonga but I haven't got space in the sauna to fit it in.
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I can't see us being after Ashley Barnes. Trying to sign a striker with a goal scoring record as good as Rhodes, then having Barnes as second choice wouldn't make sense. I might be wrong though.
It's a Barnes type striker we need in my eyes. It would bring more out of the other strikers we have.
I kind of agree, we need a forward that can get 10- 15 goals bit do the dirty work, the channel ruining, high pressing etc. Tommy Johnson esque.
Having seen him this season, Kodjia does a lot of that type of work. As others have said, I think we need more of a focal point type who can hold the ball up.
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We need a striker who can do a bit of vomming on the pitch.
Super Tommy Johnson used to be seen in the away end at Newcastle after he'd left us when we were up there.
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The Independent are saying that we’re turning our attention to Ashely Barnes at Burnley, having been priced-out of a move for Jordan Rhodes.
For me, he’d be ideal. We’ve been too hung-up on the idea of expecting prolific Championship goal scorers just to come and play for us and score lots of goals, with no eye on what system to play to suit them. McCormack and Gestede are prime examples of this, and Rhodes is another player, who will score lots of goals playing in a 4-4-2, but at what cost to the team?
Barnes is by no means prolific, but it’s no coincidence that Andre grey was when he played with him and Danny Ings too. He’s the type of striker that gives a team a focal-point in attack, occupies defenders, wins flick-ons and can hold the ball up. The likes of Kodjia, McCormack and Grealish would benefit enormously from him in my opinion. Hopefully having Lansbury and Hourihane would also enable us to play 2 Central midfielders without conceding too much in the middle of the park.
Yes please from me.
My best mate is a Burnley fan. He never rated Barnes. And after seeing him in action myself I agree.
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Could we possibly tolerate another Ashley ?
Or, for that matter, another Jordan.
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I know little about him but I hope his link up play is ace because his goal scoring record is crap.
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Ulloa...or however you spell it, would be perfect, holds up the ball and would link well with our new midfield.
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I know little about him but I hope his link up play is ace because his goal scoring record is crap.
Are you, by any chance an Accountant In real life ?
The last one I worked with was just as adept as you at reaching snippets of actual fact through zillions of Excel spreadsheets, as you are in pin-pointing true facts about our beloved team .
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Yes I'd go after Ulloa aswell as his goalscoring record in the championship is excellent and he can also link it up well with midfield. Will probably be prem interest in him though.
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Surely I read here, he was angling for a move to Alavez to start his Spanish career again.
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Yes I'd go after Ulloa aswell as his goalscoring record in the championship is excellent and he can also link it up well with midfield. Will probably be prem interest in him though.
Yes, me too. Although I did read today (or maybe yesterday) that he has a move lined up to somewhere like Spain or Italy. Pity. Still, it's good that many on here seem to recognise the need for an out and out number 9 type of player.
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Bump'n'grind, Old Kodj.
We need a big guy only if w ehave the skills - and the will - to put in ACCURATE high balls.
We don't.
Therefore, maybe Nakhi Wells would be a good call ? Younger, more mobile , more hard-working kind of Jordan Rhodes type ? Not yet as prolific I guess ( PWS can you confirm please ? )
But we were associated with him when he left Bradford.......and he hasn't been getting much headline space of late. Time for a change for him maybe ?
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Bump'n'grind, Old Kodj.
We need a big guy only if w ehave the skills - and the will - to put in ACCURATE high balls.
We don't.
Therefore, maybe Nakhi Wells would be a good call ? Younger, more mobile , more hard-working kind of Jordan Rhodes type ? Not yet as prolific I guess ( PWS can you confirm please ? )
But we were associated with him when he left Bradford.......and he hasn't been getting much headline space of late. Time for a change for him maybe ?
Not for me mate. It is a presence that we require in the final 3rd. We can already put crosses into the box and given the new arrivals, this will increase as well. We also have midfielders who are now going to supplement attacks, meaning 2nd balls will come from a target man. Currently, Kodjia doesn't even jump unless he's in the 6 yard box. Look at the difference Gestede made against Leeds. A more mobile Gestede is just what we need.
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Never really saw what Ulloa brought to the team. Bit of an immobile cart horse. Expensive at that.
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Emile Heskey medical on Monday
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post mortem?
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Never really saw what Ulloa brought to the team. Bit of an immobile cart horse. Expensive at that.
completely disagree mate, with respect. Our delivery into the box is absolute garbage and has been for years. Our midfield is powder puff weak and we've had nobody who can bang a quick accurate ball in for as long as I can remember. We're ok at the back and got a decent forward line with all hands on deck. But midfield is a major weakness linking attack from defence. A Sanchez type player, plus Grealish and someone else- decent right winger - would probably see us OK. Would've probably held on to Gestede, unless they've got a proper centre forward lined up to replace him.
Sorry Newby. Complete quote fail there- wasn't responding to your post. Was meant to reply to Old Kodjia.
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Mansfield and skillz must be the same person?
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I think Bruce likes to have a hard worker up there though. I still don't believe Bristol City can find Kodjia for 2million amd we have not found any players around Europe that could come and improve our attacking options fairly cheaply. Brighton paid bugger all for Knockeart last winter. Boro loaned Ramirez last winter and he was brilliant for them. There must be some players out there we can loan.
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Can't Brucie call a favour from Old Trafford and get Marcus Rashford on loan?!
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Lol... i was thinking someone like Akpom who he loaned from Arsenal last season or Grabban who while is never a premier league striker on loan in our squad might be of use.
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Nah BOB MANSFIELD is Eastie.
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Eastie!! I loved Eastie.
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I've got skills they're multiplying
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Eastie!! I loved Eastie.
Each to his / her own.
No good telling us; did you share your true feelings with him?
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Can't Brucie call a favour from Old Trafford and get Marcus Rashford on loan?!
Nurse!
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Pat Murphy saying Bree and Hourihane likely for next week, both only want to come to Villa
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brilliant news if it happens. Eastie - where are you!!
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From Pat Murphy this morning
Positive vibes from @AVFCOfficial over Bree & Hourihane next wk. Bids are in to @bfc_official but confidential to avoid bidding tussles 1/2
2/2 with other interested clubs. Understand both players only want to go 2 Villa. Coup for @AVFCOfficial If both r landed,given competition
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Fantastic if we pull this off. Hutton out of contract in the summer, De Laet can play anywhere across the back four. Will make us competitive either this season or next. I wonder who the striker is that we are looking at as an alternative to Barnes?
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I see Ross MC isn't in the squad today. Maybe on the way?
Unless he's injured, of course.
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I've got skills they're multiplying
You want to get that seen to, pronto.
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I've got skills they're multiplying
You want to get that seen to, pronto.
I'm losing control
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Admittedly i've never seen either of the players (can't recall watching any Barnsley player in last couple of years) but there does seem to be a lot of people desperate for us to sign two players who I doubt most could pick out on a team photo. It's only today I've realised Bree actually exists.
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Admittedly i've never seen either of the players (can't recall watching any Barnsley player in last couple of years) but there does seem to be a lot of people desperate for us to sign two players who I doubt most could pick out on a team photo. It's only today I've realised Bree actually exists.
Our scouts have been looking at Bree Caerphilly.
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Yes after conceding defeat on Edam Hazard.
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It's only today I've realised Bree actually exists.
Me too, I genuinly thought somebody had made a spelling slip about Cheese, I had no idea that he was an actual player.
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It's only today I've realised Bree actually exists.
Me too, I genuinly thought somebody had made a spelling slip about Cheese, I had no idea that he was an actual player.
I hope we don't sign him, the endless tedious cheese puns would be too much.
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Admittedly i've never seen either of the players (can't recall watching any Barnsley player in last couple of years) but there does seem to be a lot of people desperate for us to sign two players who I doubt most could pick out on a team photo. It's only today I've realised Bree actually exists.
lol, I'm laughing because that's exactly what I could have written
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It's only today I've realised Bree actually exists.
Me too, I genuinly thought somebody had made a spelling slip about Cheese, I had no idea that he was an actual player.
Ditto. I thought it was another clever nickname for Lansbury.
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Hourihane just scored a great goal for Barnsley apparently.
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Hourihane just scored a great goal for Barnsley apparently.
Great free kick. Note how with his team mate thye create a better angle for the shot
Also Barnsleys first goal was orchestrated from a swift short ball and cross from a free kick
Note to Steve Bruce. You dont just need Ross to bang it into row z from free kicks. variety is allowed
Fair place to Barnsley. They look a decent, young and hungry side. Everything we are not. Shame they have to selll their best players
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Hourihane just scored a great goal for Barnsley apparently.
Might as well confess that when I first saw him mentioned I thought it was the bloke from Norwich that we came close to signing.
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Bruce has said we are close to two or three deals.
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Need to get them over the line and get the team working together before next season, as a team we are still horseshit.
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Need to get them over the line and get the team working together before next season, as a team we are still horseshit.
And will continue to be unless we rid the side of the weaknesses of the last few seasons. Sooner rather than later.
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I'd reached the point if not wanting to get a striker in Jan because want midfield / defence sorted and the striker could have been the icing on top signing in the summer but now McCormack has burnt his bridges I'd love to see him and Ayew sold for what 16/17m and let Bruce go for striker he wants if that is Rhodes so be it
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Bruce has said we are close to two or three deals.
did he say that tonight ?
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Bruce has said we are close to two or three defeats.
Fixed.
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Bruce has said we are close to two or three deals.
did he say that tonight ?
Yes
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Bruce has said we are close to two or three deals.
did he say that tonight ?
Yes
cheers sounds positive
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Modou Barrow swap for Ayew according to the Daily Star on Newsnow.
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Can't say I know much about him - anyone seen him play?
Can't believe he is better than Ayew though, although maybe he will offer us more balance as an out and out winger.
The one I've always quite rated at Swansea is Montero and he doesn't seem to be getting much game time there at the moment.
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I like barrow. Only seen him once or twice but the first time was when he came on (I think) in the 1-1 or 2-1 defeat against them a season or two back. he tore us apart. Saw him once or twice since then and he looks a tidy player with a fair bit of pace. I'd definitely get him in.
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Modou Barrow swap for Ayew according to the Daily Star on Newsnow.
hope not
Ayew is worth a lot more than him
i would say one of RMC or ayew will be going and as it looks RMC head is stuck on a gate maybe SB will keep Ayew
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Barrow isn't worth what Ayew is, as poor as he has been this season. Joke rumour from the Star.
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Modou Barrow swap for Ayew according to the Daily Star on Newsnow.
Barrow has just been sworn in as president of Gambia so it's unlikely he will be coming to play for us.
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I like barrow. Only seen him once or twice but the first time was when he came on (I think) in the 1-1 or 2-1 defeat against them a season or two back. he tore us apart. Saw him once or twice since then and he looks a tidy player with a fair bit of pace. I'd definitely get him in.
This article in the S.Wales Post ( Oct 17th ) seems to verify your comments.................Godzvilla!
" Mercurial Mo Barrow embodies Swansea City at present - plenty of promise but a lot to work on "
"I think he's just scratching the surface. My gosh, this is a player with talent."
Those are the words of Swansea City boss Bob Bradley on winger Mo Barrow.
The Gambian was a constant menace at the Emirates on Saturday.
There were audible sighs of relief from the crowd - and Nacho Monreal in particular - when he was substituted in the second half.
Barrow played a key role in Swansea's second, picking out Borja Baston for the Spaniard's first goal in Premier League football.
He once again ghosted past Monreal - no slouch himself - and found Borja with a calm pass. The striker was surrounded by red shirts, but the weight of pass from Barrow allowed the club-record signing to stroke the ball past Petr Cech first time.
It was another impressive performance from the pacey winger; almost without question he looks the most dangerous player when he is involved for Swansea.
READ MORE: "If he carries on like that he won't be at Swansea next season" - Arsenal fans rave about Mo Barrow
Ever since he broke on the scene - with electric speed, obviously - against the same opponents two years ago at the Liberty, he has made a difference in the attacking department.
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I like barrow. Only seen him once or twice but the first time was when he came on (I think) in the 1-1 or 2-1 defeat against them a season or two back. he tore us apart. Saw him once or twice since then and he looks a tidy player with a fair bit of pace. I'd definitely get him in.
This article in the S.Wales Post ( Oct 17th ) seems to verify your comments.................Godzvilla!
" Mercurial Mo Barrow embodies Swansea City at present - plenty of promise but a lot to work on "
"I think he's just scratching the surface. My gosh, this is a player with talent."
Those are the words of Swansea City boss Bob Bradley on winger Mo Barrow.
The Gambian was a constant menace at the Emirates on Saturday.
There were audible sighs of relief from the crowd - and Nacho Monreal in particular - when he was substituted in the second half.
Barrow played a key role in Swansea's second, picking out Borja Baston for the Spaniard's first goal in Premier League football.
He once again ghosted past Monreal - no slouch himself - and found Borja with a calm pass. The striker was surrounded by red shirts, but the weight of pass from Barrow allowed the club-record signing to stroke the ball past Petr Cech first time.
It was another impressive performance from the pacey winger; almost without question he looks the most dangerous player when he is involved for Swansea.
READ MORE: "If he carries on like that he won't be at Swansea next season" - Arsenal fans rave about Mo Barrow
Ever since he broke on the scene - with electric speed, obviously - against the same opponents two years ago at the Liberty, he has made a difference in the attacking department.
My immediate thought would be, if he is any good, then why are they prepared to let him go/swap him for Ayew?
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I like barrow. Only seen him once or twice but the first time was when he came on (I think) in the 1-1 or 2-1 defeat against them a season or two back. he tore us apart. Saw him once or twice since then and he looks a tidy player with a fair bit of pace. I'd definitely get him in.
Agree.Barrow came on last season and totally destroyed a class,rapid left back,Kieran Richardson.Sherwood didn't act to bolster the left hand side despite repeated let offs,and Ayew,Andre scored the winner ,2-1,with a few minutes to go and that was the end of Tactics Tim
.He would certainly suit our side better than Ayew.Green and him as our wide players .Sell Ross .Flabby had a good game yesterday.Did I really imagine that ? Numbers would dictate another striker but as well as Hourihane another mobile midfielder,upgrade on Grealish ,would transform the team.I could live with Hutton/Bacuna/ Richards as RB.
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Saw Barrow in the flesh for the first time vs Sunderland. He was impressive but struck me as a fast, tricky player but greedy and lacking in end product, so not sure we'd gain anything.
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Another Adama type? Having said that, he looked impressive for Middlesbrough yesterday.
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We ate desperate for more pace. Yesterday showed how much more effective we are with pace. If this was a genuine option i would take it on the provision another forward was going to come in at some point.
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Saw Barrow in the flesh for the first time vs Sunderland. He was impressive but struck me as a fast, tricky player but greedy and lacking in end product, so not sure we'd gain anything.
Yep if people thought Adama was a headless chicken on the pitch he's got nothing on this guy.
Surely Nathan Dyer or Routledge would be more use if we were looking at Swansea wide players?
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Routledge is 32. Dyer is a good player though.
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I think we should have a club policy of only signing players other teams don't want to lose, instead of hoovering up other clubs deadweights.
The new lad and the two from Barnsley fit the bill, long may it continue.
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Swansea were asking for 10m from Newcastle in the summer
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Sako - Derby on the cusp of signing him but he is more than proven in this division and looked quite good when he signed for Palace. Not sure what's happened since but he'd be better than some of the names being banded about.
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Hourihane, Bree, Bedau, Barrow - if they are players the scouts have identified then great, we want players on the way up rather than the likes of McCormack who clearly wanted the salary not to improve as a player as part of a team
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Sako - Derby on the cusp of signing him but he is more than proven in this division and looked quite good when he signed for Palace. Not sure what's happened since but he'd be better than some of the names being banded about.
Yes would take him....when he was on it at Wolves he was a stand out player at this level.
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Snodgrass isn't in the Hull squad today...muscle injury apparently.
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Snodgrass isn't in the Hull squad today...muscle injury apparently.
There's not a chance he'll be at Villa. Way too good.
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Yeah, he's likely to be off for sure.....but I don't think he loves SB as much as Hourihane.
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Snodgrass isn't in the Hull squad today...muscle injury apparently.
I'd been really hoping we could nick him as he could be great for us. Just can't see it though
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Hull won't sell to a Steve Bruce managed club.
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...but we are managed by Richards, Agbonlahor & Co, aren't we ?
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...but we are managed by Richards, Agbonlahor & Co, aren't we ?
Are we?
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...but we are managed by Richards, Agbonlahor & Co, aren't we ?
Good firm of Solicitors, them. I had an interview there once.
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I suppose you were not lazy enough to get the gig ?
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James Bree becomes the latest person the good doctor is following on Twitter.
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I suppose you were not lazy enough to get the gig ?
They told me that even they wouldn't sink to the level of employing me.
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James Bree becomes the latest person the good doctor is following on Twitter.
Gouda you know?
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James Bree becomes the latest person the good doctor is following on Twitter.
Tap up by Twitter.
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Haven cheese, have you invented liquid cheese from a barrel ? Cheese on tap and spreadable beer. And crisps, and two midfielders and a right back please, landlord.
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James Bree becomes the latest person the good doctor is following on Twitter.
He is now following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez, not sure about those two. Probably scrap, squad players at best 😵
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Haven cheese, have you invented liquid cheese from a barrel ? Cheese on tap and spreadable beer. And crisps, and two midfielders and a right back please, landlord.
And I'll have what you"re smoking.
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Things just more and more surreal or perhaps sounding like Splodgenessabounds lyrical reworking.
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Rumours of a loan for Akpom. Would make sense considering Bruce loaned him at Hull last season, but played him mainly out wide. Might be better to get a loan rather than spend big money now on a forward too.
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Rumours of a loan for Akpom. Would make sense considering Bruce loaned him at Hull last season, but played him mainly out wide. Might be better to get a loan rather than spend big money now on a forward too.
Agreed. Fingers crossed Kodjia is back this week too
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Rumours of a loan for Akpom. Would make sense considering Bruce loaned him at Hull last season, but played him mainly out wide. Might be better to get a loan rather than spend big money now on a forward too.
A forward on loan would make a lot of sense at this point. Think we need to see where we are in the summer before making a big commitment in that department.
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The new Tierry Henry will be here on loan this week! Supposedly a joke comment by Bruce, likely that the press have come up with two plus two, or, or, dare I say it, may have it correct, for once!!
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https://www.joe.ie/sport/robbie-keane-pitch-right-premier-league-relegation-battle/574497
Keane would-be wonderful for us..I hope we are trying to get him back..
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https://www.joe.ie/sport/robbie-keane-pitch-right-premier-league-relegation-battle/574497
Keane would-be wonderful for us..I hope we are trying to get him back..
Bruce said no in his press conference last week.
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quite right we've enough 30 somethings looking for a last payday as it is. Keane's ship to Villa sailed a long, long time ago.
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that's 30 year old somethings! And I'm probably doing Robbie a disservice, but younger players are the way to go
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Tone has tweeted 95%95%
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Tone has tweeted 95%95%
Wasn't it 95% + 95%, hinting at two?
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2 Barnsley boys due for medical according to Nursey boys on twitter
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Great stuff. We will be looking far more solid with those two.
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2 Barnsley boys due for medical according to Nursey boys on twitter
that has given me a little wee
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2 Barnsley boys due for medical according to Nursey boys on twitter
that has given me a little wee
Save it for the medical.
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I do hope this is happens - the signings, not a golden shower.
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The nurse just told the doctor. "Mr Bree has done a wee but Mr Hourihane has got to try again".
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The nurse just told the doctor. "Mr Bree has done a wee but Mr Hourihane has got to try again".
Damon owes a fair bit of his career to you, Brian. Wordsmithery of high-grade indeed.
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I wish Eamonn I wish.
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The nurse just told the doctor. "Mr Bree has done a wee but Mr Hourihane has got to try again".
(http://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/GettyImages-483208412-714x483.jpg)
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Tone has tweeted 95%95%
Wasn't it 95% + 95%, hinting at two?
95% of the parachute payments gone?
Or Ziggy says there is a 95% chance Sam/Tony is here to stop Gabby eating himself.
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Åñbï @jawshuewar · 9m9 minutes ago
Villa are fucking bullies. Using their big name to wane players. How you sign Hourihane and Bree in January? Bayern Munich of championship
;D
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Conveniently forgetting that they took him from Plymouth. It's how things go.
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And in a world where Jake Livermore costs £10m, Angie and Hourihane for £5-6m is a bargain.
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Åñbï @jawshuewar · 9m9 minutes ago
Villa are fucking bullies. Using their big name to wane players. How you sign Hourihane and Bree in January? Bayern Munich of championship
;D
wane players ??? eckky what ?
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Åñbï @jawshuewar · 9m9 minutes ago
Villa are fucking bullies. Using their big name to wane players. How you sign Hourihane and Bree in January? Bayern Munich of championship
;D
Sorry about that, Ingolstadt.
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Åñbï @jawshuewar · 9m9 minutes ago
Villa are fucking bullies. Using their big name to wane players. How you sign Hourihane and Bree in January? Bayern Munich of championship
;D
I hope we don't wane them. It would be déjà vu all over again.
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If anybody can wane players we can
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Åñbï @jawshuewar · 9m9 minutes ago
Villa are fucking bullies. Using their big name to wane players. How you sign Hourihane and Bree in January? Bayern Munich of championship
;D
Love it 8)
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I have never seen Hourihane and Bree play. Are the REALLY that good? As in real game changers for us? Genuine question.
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I have never seen Hourihane and Bree play. Are the REALLY that good? As in real game changers for us? Genuine question.
Well if they are an upgrade on Hutton and Westwood I'm happy.
This Hourihane fella does look good mind, him and Henri will be very dynamic compared to what we're used to.
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I have never seen Hourihane and Bree play. Are the REALLY that good? As in real game changers for us? Genuine question.
Hourihane has been attracting rave reviews this season. Bree has apparently also attracted interest from top PL sides. Personally, I would be reluctant to play an 18 year old in my defence.
Lansbury looked like a vast improvement on Saturday and if that is a taste of thinds to come, then we have a great player on our hands. If Hourihane brings the same, I'm convinced that we have a midfield pairing of top, top quality for this division. My only reservation would be that they are both naturally forward thinking midfielders. Would we leave ourselves exposed too often when going forward? (see Preston's first goal on Saturday)
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Åñbï @jawshuewar · 9m9 minutes ago
Villa are fucking bullies. Using their big name to wane players. How you sign Hourihane and Bree in January? Bayern Munich of championship
;D
Checky basterd we slapped Bayern, were at least stork
Love it 8)
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Hourihane could score 10 from midfield and set up a further 10 to 15 over a season with his ability from dead balls. I would say he has the potential to make a huge impact. Kodjia like one. Chester, Baker, Angie, Hourihane, Jedinak and Kodjia down the spine of the side is about as good as it gets in this division. Add in Adomah and Amavi and Bree if as good as he's billed, 9 of the side is easy top 3 or 4 quality in this league. Just the keeper and 2nd striker to sort.
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I know what's gonna happen, we are going to go from having loads of strikers and no midfield, to loads of midfielders and no strikers!
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Hourihane could score 10 from midfield and set up a further 10 to 15 over a season with his ability from dead balls. I would say he has the potential to make a huge impact. Kodjia like one. Chester, Baker, Angie, Hourihane, Jedinak and Kodjia down the spine of the side is about as good as it gets in this division. Add in Adomah and Amavi and Bree if as good as he's billed, 9 of the side is easy top 3 or 4 quality in this league. Just the keeper and 2nd striker to sort.
I think we may well be looking for a LB in the summer. Amavi has always stated that he'll see this season out (that's put the kiss of death on it). He's never spoken further than that and I suspect that he'd like to move on if the opportunity arose and we are still in this division. I wonder whether Adoma might be under threat in the summer too? Jedinak certainly needs upgrading-He'll be another year older and slower. He needs to be used as a squad player next season.
I do think that these 2 midfield signings are immense for us and that we'll be in for a quieter summer this time around.
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https://www.joe.ie/sport/robbie-keane-pitch-right-premier-league-relegation-battle/574497
Keane would-be wonderful for us..I hope we are trying to get him back..
The wonderful Claudine would certainly bring some long overdue cheer to Villa Park, alas Robbie is best left continuing his karaoke party pieces across Dublin these days. Durty owll townnn
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36 now, isn't he ?
Not for us this time.
Sadly, a lot of the best ones are past it and we aren't aware of their replacements. Maye Bree and Bedaeu, Hourihane could do it, yet.
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Hourihane could score 10 from midfield and set up a further 10 to 15 over a season with his ability from dead balls. I would say he has the potential to make a huge impact. Kodjia like one. Chester, Baker, Angie, Hourihane, Jedinak and Kodjia down the spine of the side is about as good as it gets in this division. Add in Adomah and Amavi and Bree if as good as he's billed, 9 of the side is easy top 3 or 4 quality in this league. Just the keeper and 2nd striker to sort.
I think we may well be looking for a LB in the summer. Amavi has always stated that he'll see this season out (that's put the kiss of death on it). He's never spoken further than that and I suspect that he'd like to move on if the opportunity arose and we are still in this division. I wonder whether Adoma might be under threat in the summer too? Jedinak certainly needs upgrading-He'll be another year older and slower. He needs to be used as a squad player next season.
I do think that these 2 midfield signings are immense for us and that we'll be in for a quieter summer this time around.
With Bree coming before Hourihane i have a bad feeling that ones not going to plan.
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Villatransfers on Twitter has tweeted that there is a hold-up with the Hourihane deal but says it isn't a deal breaker and expects it to be settled by Wednesday. I really hope so.
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Villatransfers on Twitter has tweeted that there is a hold-up with the Hourihane deal but says it isn't a deal breaker and expects it to be settled by Wednesday. I really hope so.
Fuck have they got to do with it?
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Villatransfers on Twitter has tweeted that there is a hold-up with the Hourihane deal but says it isn't a deal breaker and expects it to be settled by Wednesday. I really hope so.
Fuck have they got to do with it?
???
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It was a really really shit sheffirld wednesday joke, not a dig at you.
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Hourihane could score 10 from midfield and set up a further 10 to 15 over a season with his ability from dead balls. I would say he has the potential to make a huge impact. Kodjia like one. Chester, Baker, Angie, Hourihane, Jedinak and Kodjia down the spine of the side is about as good as it gets in this division. Add in Adomah and Amavi and Bree if as good as he's billed, 9 of the side is easy top 3 or 4 quality in this league. Just the keeper and 2nd striker to sort.
I think we may well be looking for a LB in the summer. Amavi has always stated that he'll see this season out (that's put the kiss of death on it). He's never spoken further than that and I suspect that he'd like to move on if the opportunity arose and we are still in this division. I wonder whether Adoma might be under threat in the summer too? Jedinak certainly needs upgrading-He'll be another year older and slower. He needs to be used as a squad player next season.
I do think that these 2 midfield signings are immense for us and that we'll be in for a quieter summer this time around.
Wouldn't be overly disappointed to see Amavi go especially if we got a good fee for him. Also think Jedinak will probably need to be replaced as well. We need someone who can sit in midfield and pick out passes, especially as we now should have more forward minded midfielders in the side as well.
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I see there hasn't been much interest in Boro putting Downing on the loan list a few weeks ago. I think we could do with a left sided attacker so would like us to try at the end of the window.
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I see there hasn't been much interest in Boro putting Downing on the loan list a few weeks ago. I think we could do with a left sided attacker so would like us to try at the end of the window.
Not sure about the wages with him. I know we're not supposed to be penny pinchers anymore, but I still don't really fancy getting a high earner, even on loan, if he's going to turn up because he has no other options.
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I see there hasn't been much interest in Boro putting Downing on the loan list a few weeks ago. I think we could do with a left sided attacker so would like us to try at the end of the window.
I can not think of a worse idea than bringing in this tackle bottle ING twat.
I thought the we had learnt the stupidity of giving a hasbeen a last big payday.
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I see there hasn't been much interest in Boro putting Downing on the loan list a few weeks ago. I think we could do with a left sided attacker so would like us to try at the end of the window.
I can not think of a worse idea than bringing in this tackle bottle ING twat.
I thought the we had learnt the stupidity of giving a hasbeen a last big payday.
Absolutely
The weasel faced t**t
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I'd have him back if he helps us get into the playoffs.
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As much as I dislike the guy he was pretty good and we desperately need someone who can cross a ball.
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I see there hasn't been much interest in Boro putting Downing on the loan list a few weeks ago. I think we could do with a left sided attacker so would like us to try at the end of the window.
I can not think of a worse idea than bringing in this tackle bottle ING twat.
I thought the we had learnt the stupidity of giving a hasbeen a last big payday.
Absolutely
The weasel faced t**t
now come on!! ,,, he is a t**t faced weasel
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Dr Tony has tweeted:
"99.9%+95%+51%"
Have to think it means Bree, Hourihane and a striker, probably the young lad from Arsenal.
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I would rather play Andre Green than get Downing back.
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I would rather play Andre Green than get Downing back.
agree, his development during the rest of the season could be vital if he is to play a future role.
Downing would be the equivalent to bed blocking in the NHS
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Ashley Young has asked Mourinho if he can go out on loan. Would absolutely love to see him back at VP
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Ashley Young has asked Mourinho if he can go out on loan. Would absolutely love to see him back at VP
I think he'll go back to Watford
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Ashley Young has asked Mourinho if he can go out on loan. Would absolutely love to see him back at VP
I'd love that to, but sadly think there is precisely zero chance of it happening.
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Ashley Young has asked Mourinho if he can go out on loan. Would absolutely love to see him back at VP
I'd love that to, but sadly think there is precisely zero chance of it happening.
I agree a very long shot but stranger things have happened (clutching at straws with the Bruce Man Yoo tie/contacts and the Young ex-Villa tie - but to be fair the tabloids do articles with less ;-)
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Young - Oh yes
Downing - Go and get rammed with a traffic cone.
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I'd have him back if he helps us get into the playoffs.
Why, does he have a magic wand?
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I'd have him back if he helps us get into the playoffs.
I'd have Lescott back if he helped get us into the play offs.
Not really likely though is it?
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James Bree has been pictured in a Villa Shirt!
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Ashley Young has asked Mourinho if he can go out on loan. Would absolutely love to see him back at VP
Sadly we've got rid of Gestede, could you imagine Young sticking it on a plate for Gestede every match? it would almost be cheating.
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I think with the delay on CH we may well see both ITSOTP tomorrow. (hopefully)
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I'd have him back if he helps us get into the playoffs.
I'd have Lescott back if he helped get us into the play offs.
Not really likely though is it?
Not now those stupid fuckers in Sunderland have sealed their relegation, no
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If it's Chuba Akpom you have to think there's no way back for Hepburn-Murphy.
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If it's Chuba Akpom you have to think there's no way back for Hepburn-Murphy.
You'd think. I wonder though if Akpom's three goals in 36 league appearances for Hull last year is really what we are missing at the moment.
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seems it's not Chuba Akpom - Bjarnason of FC Basel mentioned - if remotely likely please find someone who knows more about him (won't be hard).
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seems it's not Chuba Akpom - Bjarnason of FC Basel mentioned - if remotely likely please find someone who knows more about him (won't be hard).
He was the guy who looked very decent for Iceland in the summer.
Think he scored the equaliser against Portugal and generally looked like their liveliest player.
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seems it's not Chuba Akpom - Bjarnason of FC Basel mentioned - if remotely likely please find someone who knows more about him (won't be hard).
He was the guy who looked very decent for Iceland in the summer.
Think he scored the equaliser against Portugal and generally looked like their liveliest player.
Without wishing to stereotype, those Icelandic lads looked like they knew the meaning of putting a shift in, evidently a trait in short supply in our available forward line.
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So this Icelandic geezer must have played with Embolo?
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So this Icelandic geezer must have played with Embolo?
That's impressive. I don't stick my trainers on if I have a light cold.
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The downside is that if we sign him there will be no shortage of people wanting to do that stupid "Huuuurgh" noise.
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Bjarnason is a midfielder isn't he? A very hairy one at that.
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Embolo is nasty. Surprised he could stand let alone play.
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The downside is that if we sign him there will be no shortage of people wanting to do that stupid "Huuuurgh" noise.
There's a certain poster on here who will be leading it.
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He's the long haired Icelandic model isn't he. Must of ran to the moon and back in the Euros for his country, could be good little player for us.
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Bjarnason has been linked before with a few teams in the Championship.
Didn't it look like he was heading to Wulberumpton at one point?
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sorry to be a pain here but I've not been keeping up with transfer arrivals
can someone give me a quick summary please
have we actually signed Bree yet as there is a picture of him in a Villa shirt which normaly means its done ?
where are we with the Hourihane ?
is there anyone one else in the pipeline ?
thanks in advance
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seems it's not Chuba Akpom - Bjarnason of FC Basel mentioned - if remotely likely please find someone who knows more about him (won't be hard).
Nicknamed 'Thor' ...aren't all Icelanders nickamed 'Thor' ?...anyway,
Birkir Bjarnason is an Icelandic professional footballer who plays as a central midfielder for Swiss club FC Basel in the Swiss Super League and the Iceland national football team . Has palyed for Liege, Sampdoria , Pescara ( twice ) and now Basel. 4 GOALS & 2 ASSISTS in 20 games ( incl Champs Lge ) 2016/17.................Godzvilla!
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sorry to be a pain here but I've not been keeping up with transfer arrivals
can someone give me a quick summary please
have we actually signed Bree yet as there is a picture of him in a Villa shirt which normaly means its done ?
where are we with the Hourihane ?
is there anyone one else in the pipeline ?
thanks in advance
Check the Bree thread.
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sorry to be a pain here but I've not been keeping up with transfer arrivals
can someone give me a quick summary please
have we actually signed Bree yet as there is a picture of him in a Villa shirt which normaly means its done ?
where are we with the Hourihane ?
is there anyone one else in the pipeline ?
thanks in advance
The doc has tweeted one deal is 99.9% done, I assume that's Bree. Then the next one is 98% done which I would gather is Hourihane, then another one saying 51% someone else. That's about it but now there is speculation of an Icelandic player.
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Dr Xia's latest tweet.
99.9% + 98% +(51%->) 99%+50%
Not sure myself, but many people are taking that to mean 3 signings are imminent and another is in the offing.
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Dr Xia's latest tweet.
99.9% + 98% +(51%->) 99%+50%
Not sure myself, but many people are taking that to mean 3 signings are imminent and another is in the offing.
Anybody any good at algebra?
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Dr Xia's latest tweet.
99.9% + 98% +(51%->) 99%+50%
Not sure myself, but many people are taking that to mean 3 signings are imminent and another is in the offing.
The DR is referring to the deal he mentioned this am that was 51% is now at 99.9%. To me reads, Bree, Hourihane, Icelandic beast and a new link
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Dr Xia's latest tweet.
99.9% + 98% +(51%->) 99%+50%
Not sure myself, but many people are taking that to mean 3 signings are imminent and another is in the offing.
Anybody any good at algebra?
Good Will Hunting
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Quote from Villa Transfers on twitter - Aston Villa will announce James Bree, Conor Hourihane & Bikir Bjarnason on Wednesday - superb work, Medicals later, Bree done
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Whoever we sign and whenever we sign them must go straight into the team instead of the usual suspects. Then we will know if master Bruce has the right idea. Every manager, including MON towards the end, has made a major bollocks in this area; except Garde, did he get to buy anybody?
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So that's a right back, goalie, 3 midfielders and possibly a forward in. Not bad at all.
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Our transfer windows are more entertaining than the football.
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If we do sign James Bree, Conor Hourihane & Bikir Bjarnason before the end of this week. They along with Lansbury will completely transform our season for me. All four will be starters, the midfield will finally have some attacking threat, creativity and bite and even though he's still a kid, i think Bree will make vast improvements on Hutton
The only question is how do we fit all the midfielders in, play a four with Bjarnason, Hourihane, Lansbury and Adomah ? or a three with Bjarnason doing the Jedinak role ?
All I can say is i hope to God this happens tomorrow
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seems it's not Chuba Akpom - Bjarnason of FC Basel mentioned - if remotely likely please find someone who knows more about him (won't be hard).
Nicknamed 'Thor' ...aren't all Icelanders nickamed 'Thor' ?...anyway,
Birkir Bjarnason is an Icelandic professional footballer who plays as a central midfielder for Swiss club FC Basel in the Swiss Super League and the Iceland national football team . Has palyed for Liege, Sampdoria , Pescara ( twice ) and now Basel. 4 GOALS & 2 ASSISTS in 20 games ( incl Champs Lge ) 2016/17.................Godzvilla!
Oh gawd. Footyskillz will insist that we start up that bloody Thunderclap malarkey.
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seems it's not Chuba Akpom - Bjarnason of FC Basel mentioned - if remotely likely please find someone who knows more about him (won't be hard).
Nicknamed 'Thor' ...aren't all Icelanders nickamed 'Thor' ?...anyway,
Birkir Bjarnason is an Icelandic professional footballer who plays as a central midfielder for Swiss club FC Basel in the Swiss Super League and the Iceland national football team . Has palyed for Liege, Sampdoria , Pescara ( twice ) and now Basel. 4 GOALS & 2 ASSISTS in 20 games ( incl Champs Lge ) 2016/17.................Godzvilla!
Oh gawd. Footyskillz will insist that we start up that bloody Thunderclap malarkey.
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You tube clips are good, but then aren't they all!
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Birkir Bjarnason has agreed to join Aston Villa and is due in for a medical tomorrow, the Birmingham Mail understands.
The 28-year-old Icelandic midfielder is moving from Swiss side FC Basel and will add to Villa’s growing list of January arrivals.
Barnsley duo James Bree and Conor Hourihane are also set to sign with Villa just waiting to finalise the deals.
It’s thought that Bree could be announced today while Hourihane’s move is expected to be completed tomorrow.
Bjarnason, a Iceland international, played for Basel in the Champions League this season and has bagged four goals already this term.
He will bring goals and creativity to a midfield region that has been lacking in recent times should he pass a medical at the club, as expected.
Boss Steve Bruce has been keen to add to the midfield to help boost his side’s promotion push.
Villa are also looking for a new striker after their £6m bid for Jordan Rhodes was turned down by Middlesbrough last week.
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Great! Now, please can we quietly offload Gardwood somewhere? Cor, this transfer business is great craic, I'm already tired of last summer's lot.
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If somehow we got rid of McCormack and Richards this window it would be good. Gabby too but that isn't going to realistically happen.
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I'm worried that with all these players in Birmingham ready to sign, the rags could unleash their war chest and usurp us.
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I was just on to say hourihane and bjarnason medicals today apparently according to an #ITK but it's old news anyway!
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sorry to be a pain here but I've not been keeping up with transfer arrivals
can someone give me a quick summary please
have we actually signed Bree yet as there is a picture of him in a Villa shirt which normaly means its done ?
where are we with the Hourihane ?
is there anyone one else in the pipeline ?
thanks in advance
The doc has tweeted one deal is 99.9% done, I assume that's Bree. Then the next one is 98% done which I would gather is Hourihane, then another one saying 51% someone else. That's about it but now there is speculation of an Icelandic player.
cheers, haven't got time to work through the threads so thanks
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I'm worried that with all these players in Birmingham ready to sign, the rags could unleash their war chest and usurp us.
They did try and get a warchest but ended up with one of those plastic storage tubs they always have outside home bargains that doesnt have a lid and a pigeon has shat on
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This kind of courage last January and we might still be in the Premiership.
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This kind of courage last January and we might still be in the Premiership.
Given what has come out in the wash I'd say we'd have been doomed anyway with those supposedly in charge, and would probably have been less attractive saddled with more debt.
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This kind of courage last January and we might still be in the Premiership.
With Eric Black in charge.
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Go on, spoil my dream.
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sorry
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Okay Peter the sight of all that hair got me going a bit. Needed a reality check.
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Quote from Villa Transfers on twitter - Aston Villa will announce James Bree, Conor Hourihane & Bikir Bjarnason on Wednesday - superb work, Medicals later, Bree done
my girlfriend has just seen Bjarnason and had a little wee
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Our transfer windows are more entertaining than the football.
Oh for those halcyon days of Lambert and Lerner.
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Whoever we sign and whenever we sign them must go straight into the team instead of the usual suspects. Then we will know if master Bruce has the right idea. Every manager, including MON towards the end, has made a major bollocks in this area; except Garde, did he get to buy anybody?
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Whoever we sign and whenever we sign them must go straight into the team instead of the usual suspects. Then we will know if master Bruce has the right idea. Every manager, including MON towards the end, has made a major bollocks in this area; except Garde, did he get to buy anybody?
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Famously No.
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Whoever we sign and whenever we sign them must go straight into the team instead of the usual suspects. Then we will know if master Bruce has the right idea. Every manager, including MON towards the end, has made a major bollocks in this area; except Garde, did he get to buy anybody?
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Famously No.
Oh dear I fucked it up again 😐
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This kind of courage last January and we might still be in the Premiership.
With Eric Black in charge.
Uuurrrgggghhhh what a thought. My blood just run cold.
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That's a very impressive hat-trick of quote fails!
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That's a very impressive hat-trick of quote fails!
Your welcome
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That's a very impressive hat-trick of quote fails!
Your welcome
"You're"
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I'll say this, it's a long shot still but we're giving ourselves every chance of having a crack at it this season.
Given the years of endless disappointment and total lack of ambition it's at least refreshing to be trying.
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I've not seen our three new signings play, but just on reputation I reckon four best xi is probably now:
Johnstone
Bree Chester baker amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury hourihane green / Thor
Kodjia
Subs: bunn elphick Bacuna Westwood grealish ayew RHM
That does look like it has the bones of being a team that could challenge for promotion, maybe with 2-3 sound additions in the summer - centre back, defensive midfielder, striker
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It's weak up-top. Kodjia isn't a number 9, needs someone to play-off.
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how good does Sanchez look tonight for Florentina
bloody typical , the Villa curse
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If Kodjia is following all this he must very, very happy, to put it mildly 😊
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how good does Sanchez look tonight for Florentina
bloody typical , the Villa curse
Thought he'd do well over there, but, its a different game in Italy.
It seemed to quick for him here, whereas it seems slower over there.
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I've not seen our three new signings play, but just on reputation I reckon four best xi is probably now:
Johnstone
Bree Chester baker amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury hourihane green / Thor
Kodjia
Subs: bunn elphick Bacuna Westwood grealish ayew RHM
That does look like it has the bones of being a team that could challenge for promotion, maybe with 2-3 sound additions in the summer - centre back, defensive midfielder, striker
I'd have Tshibola on the bench in place of either Westwood or Bacuna.
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If Kodjia is following all this he must very, very happy, to put it mildly 😊
Maybe he will do the same a Juan Pablo's girlfriend.........?
But then, maybe he won't get a look in when it comes to welcoming hugs and stuff as he will be Jonny-come-lately.
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I've not seen our three new signings play, but just on reputation I reckon four best xi is probably now:
Johnstone
Bree Chester baker amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury hourihane green / Thor
Kodjia
Subs: bunn elphick Bacuna Westwood grealish ayew RHM
That does look like it has the bones of being a team that could challenge for promotion, maybe with 2-3 sound additions in the summer - centre back, defensive midfielder, striker
I'd have Tshibola on the bench in place of either Westwood or Bacuna.
Totally and a traffic cone
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SB wont put RHM on the bench though, will he ?
And he doesn't rate Tshibbo.
And he absolutely gates RMcC.
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how good does Sanchez look tonight for Florentina
bloody typical , the Villa curse
Is it correct that if he plays a certain amount of games, they HAVE to sign him? Was it 20 games? If so, he needs posting in the 'players out' tray.
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I've not seen our three new signings play, but just on reputation I reckon four best xi is probably now:
Johnstone
Bree Chester baker amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury hourihane green / Thor
Kodjia
Subs: bunn elphick Bacuna Westwood grealish ayew RHM
That does look like it has the bones of being a team that could challenge for promotion, maybe with 2-3 sound additions in the summer - centre back, defensive midfielder, striker
Well, except that in the summer it's not unreasonable to expect Amavi and possibly Kodija leave.
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Kodjia leave? Nah!
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I know I am a miserable git but let's be realistic. A mid/low level Prem team surely will come in for him
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I know I am a miserable git but let's be realistic. A mid/low level Prem team surely will come in for him
You may be a miserable git. Who knows?
But no matter who comes in for him, he's not for sale.
Qualifier:
Unless SB wants rid and why would he? Nobody else can score!
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He will cost them 20 million and they won't pay it.
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PL clubs had the chance to bid for him in the summer and didn't. I'm not going to start selling off our better players just yet.
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PL clubs had the chance to bid for him in the summer and didn't. I'm not going to start selling off our better players just yet.
I'm pleased it's your decision to make.
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PL clubs had the chance to bid for him in the summer and didn't. I'm not going to start selling off our better players just yet.
I'm pleased it's your decision to make.
Ouch, bitch
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If there is another forward coming in, it won't be that Donkor bloke. He's joined Everton on loan.
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Nineteen and has only played in the German Fourth Division.
I'm not overly-devastated.
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Nineteen and has only played in the German Fourth Division.
I'm not overly-devastated.
German 4th division? He's at Wolfsburg.
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He's only played for their under-23s, in the Fourth Division (according to BBC).
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Today is going to be a good day
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Barnsley midfielder Marley Watkins has handed in a transfer request.
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are we going to sign him too?
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Barnsley midfielder Marley Watkins has handed in a transfer request.
Oh dear. I can't help feel we're partly responsible.
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Barnsley midfielder Marley Watkins has handed in a transfer request.
That's what happens when the chairman is a Scrooge.
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Barnsley midfielder Marley Watkins has handed in a transfer request.
its like monopoly buy him and we can start building
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Dr Tony tweeted "busy, busy day today" Announcement soon...
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I look forward to more signings.
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My wish is McCormack out of the Villa gates with a copy of Gabby's diet plan.
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My wish is McCormack out of the Villa gates with a copy of Gabby's diet plan.
You assume he can get out the gates.
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Barnsley midfielder Marley Watkins has handed in a transfer request.
Its an Exodus of Barnsley midfielders
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Barnsley midfielder Marley Watkins has handed in a transfer request.
Its an Exodus of Barnsley midfielders
"Exodus, movement of tha people"
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Barnsley have already announced the team to face Rotherham on Saturday.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/c3QLdv/C292b0_KXAAAEa_G1_jpg_large.jpg) (http://ibb.co/c3QLdv)
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Barnsley midfielder Marley Watkins has handed in a transfer request.
Its an Exodus of Barnsley midfielders
"Exodus, movement of tha people"
Ha ha, very good. Generally speaking though I do feel quite sorry for Barnsley. We weren't exactly laughing when we lost Barry, Milner, Young, Downing etc.
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Next one announced imminently... our transfer windows more exciting than our season...
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Do feel like there could be a bit of animosity from their fans when we play Barnsley in February.
Have to say I've always quite liked them, but will like them even more if Hourihane and Bree are bloody good.
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Is it being really ungrateful to be happy with the 2 that are in today, but to be slightly disappointed that Hourihane hasn't been completed yet ?
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P'raps he stayed over at McCaramacs and the gates are stuck again..............just saying.
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Assuming Hourihane is coming I still think we're shy of a centre forward and a centre half.
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But we were asking for Two Midfielders and a Right Back.............and what have we got !!!
Greed I calls it.
Maybe one of them - maybe BB - can play off Kodjia. That would be cracking.
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Assuming Hourihane is coming I still think we're shy of a centre forward and a centre half.
Definitely a centre forward. Have we any young centre halfs coming through? With Elphick on the bench it may be tough to get another 3rd or 4th choice.
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personally think we're stuck with Elphick unless we can loan him out some time or other.
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But we were asking for Two Midfielders and a Right Back.............and what have we got !!!
Greed I calls it.
Maybe one of them - maybe BB - can play off Kodjia. That would be cracking.
I know, it's starting to look like potentially a good starting 11, but a couple more defensive reinforcements would be handy.
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A striker for me, aswell as Hourihane obviously. If Kodjia gets injured we're buggered and back to playing Gabby who is less likely to score than Trump at a women's march.
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Maybe Thor will Score.
[looking like he does, he should do regularly ! ]
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Assuming Hourihane is coming I still think we're shy of a centre forward and a centre half.
Definitely a centre forward. Have we any young centre halfs coming through? With Elphick on the bench it may be tough to get another 3rd or 4th choice.
I suspect that another Centre Half might need to wait until the summer. Micah will have to be 4th choice until then with McCafu after that
However, with Baker's injury record and Mad Tom's play ranging from adequate down to mightaswellplaymicah, it's not ideal
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A striker for me, aswell as Hourihane obviously. If Kodjia gets injured we're buggered and back to playing Gabby who is less likely to score than Trump at a women's march.
Would rather we went with a Craig Levein style 4-6-0 with all these midfielders we now have. Bound to get some goals there now instead of Gabby.
;)
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A striker for me, aswell as Hourihane obviously. If Kodjia gets injured we're buggered and back to playing Gabby who is less likely to score than Trump at a women's march.
Would rather we went with a Craig Levein style 4-6-0 with all these midfielders we now have. Bound to get some goals there now instead of Gabby.
;)
If things really pan out for us, SB will have Kodjia, Ayew and RHM as out-and-out strikers, with Gabby as a last-ditch choice (I'm assuming McCormack will be on his bike before the end of January). All supported by Adomah, Green and Grealish.
And with Angela, Bjarni and Houri as supporting midfielders in front of the Jedi.
I'd say that lot should do some damage and should mean we don't need another stiker until the summer.
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Should the thread title now have "Hairspray" added on the end ?
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Assuming Hourihane is coming I still think we're shy of a centre forward and a centre half.
Definitely a centre forward. Have we any young centre halfs coming through? With Elphick on the bench it may be tough to get another 3rd or 4th choice.
I suspect that another Centre Half might need to wait until the summer. Micah will have to be 4th choice until then with McCafu after that
However, with Baker's injury record and Mad Tom's play ranging from adequate down to mightaswellplaymicah, it's not ideal
You never know, with a decent midfield in front of him Tommy might settle in to form
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A striker for me, aswell as Hourihane obviously. If Kodjia gets injured we're buggered and back to playing Gabby who is less likely to score than Trump at a women's march.
Would rather we went with a Craig Levein style 4-6-0 with all these midfielders we now have. Bound to get some goals there now instead of Gabby.
;)
If things really pan out for us, SB will have Kodjia, Ayew and RHM as out-and-out strikers, with Gabby as a last-ditch choice (I'm assuming McCormack will be on his bike before the end of January). All supported by Adomah, Green and Grealish.
And with Angela, Bjarni and Houri as supporting midfielders in front of the Jedi.
I'd say that lot should do some damage and should mean we don't need another stiker until the summer.
I agree. My main concern with going for another striker is that we're either looking at a loan which could be hit or miss as it'll be a youngster who might not be ready or we go for someone like Rhodes and I just don't think he's worth the money. I'd rather see us give Ayew and Kodjia the chance to play in front of a midfield that can support them before we decide for certain that they're incapable of doing it. As I've said about both of them (and Grealish as well) we've been asking them to create/score goals when they get the ball with 3-4 players between them and the goal, we really need to get them into one-on-one situations and see if they can step things up before we assume they not able to play in a position or not good enough.
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It's possible of course but the main issue is that we don't have an out and out - as i like to call them - number 9. Kodija and Ayew drift wide whereas RHM hasn't signed a contract and even if so, hasn't got the experience yet. So, with that in mind we still need something to put on top of the totem pole.
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It's possible of course but the main issue is that we don't have an out and out - as i like to call them - number 9. Kodija and Ayew drift wide whereas RHM hasn't signed a contract and even if so, hasn't got the experience yet. So, with that in mind we still need something to put on top of the totem pole.
'Shithouses', I like to call them. We need a shithouse.
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Kinda. Prefixed with 'built like a brick'.
Even an EH type would be ideal.
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Still expecting Alex Bruce to join at some stage...
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Drifting out wide is a problem if no one else fills the space you leave, if you have midfielders and wingers who can get into the box and score goals then it's fine. I'd personally play Lansbury, Bjarnason and (if he joins) Hourihane as a 3 and let them rotate so 2 support play and 1 holds and then just let them get in and around the box to make up numbers. We've had a problem with not getting people into the box for years, that's at the very heart of the 5-6 years of misery we've had, it's why we just don't score many 'bread and butter' goals.
I'm not against the idea of signing a 'proper' 9 I just don't think there's a decent available to come in and do a good ob for us for the rest of this season. Throwing £12m at someone like Rhodes would be repeating the mistakes of the last couple of summers of signing statistics rather than a player.
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'Mad Tom' made me chuckle.
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Just seen Matty James has joined Barnsley on loan, could that have been the hold up to them releasing Hourihane?
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It's possible of course but the main issue is that we don't have an out and out - as i like to call them - number 9. Kodija and Ayew drift wide whereas RHM hasn't signed a contract and even if so, hasn't got the experience yet. So, with that in mind we still need something to put on top of the totem pole.
'Shithouses', I like to call them. We need a shithouse.
Don't we already have one in McCormack?
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Kinda. Prefixed with 'built like a brick'.
Even an EH type would be ideal.
How about an actual EH?
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Kinda. Prefixed with 'built like a brick'.
Even an EH type would be ideal.
How about an actual EH?
Eddie Hitler?
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Kinda. Prefixed with 'built like a brick'.
Even an EH type would be ideal.
How about an actual EH?
Eddie Hitler?
It could be I suppose, but I took it as Englebert Humperdinck.
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Kinda. Prefixed with 'built like a brick'.
Even an EH type would be ideal.
How about an actual EH?
Eddie Hitler?
Big QPR fan, i doubt his heart would be in it.
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Well we've had some very busy transfer windows over the last few years (except not including last January) so let's hope this time we have got it right.
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I took it as Edmund Hillary. Mountain to climb an all that.
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Assuming Hourihane is coming I still think we're shy of a centre forward and a centre half.
Definitely a centre forward. Have we any young centre halfs coming through? With Elphick on the bench it may be tough to get another 3rd or 4th choice.
I suspect that another Centre Half might need to wait until the summer. Micah will have to be 4th choice until then with McCafu after that
However, with Baker's injury record and Mad Tom's play ranging from adequate down to mightaswellplaymicah, it's not ideal
Bree can apparently play center half n'all, so that is our right back and CB cover I'm guessing.
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is there any young striker in Les Ferdinand/ Christain Vieri/Andy Gray/Dider Drogba/Alan Shearer mould out there :(
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you mean a spurs fan, with italian scottish parentageplayed for chelski and has a thick Newcastle accent and a stubbly head?
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Guzan to Atlanta in the MLS.
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I wonder if there will be any more outs over the next few days. Westwood, Bacuna, Hutton, Richards all surplus to requirements, although Bacuna can cover a couple of positions.
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i like bacuna. more useful than some and seems to have worked hard to overcome his slip of the tongue about his own abilities and wishes.
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Southmapton have sold Fonte, & now van Dijk is out for months with an ankle break. Richards would do a job for them.
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I wonder if there will be any more outs over the next few days. Westwood, Bacuna, Hutton, Richards all surplus to requirements, although Bacuna can cover a couple of positions.
Unfortunately they are reverse cowgirl and the wheelbarrow
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Kinda. Prefixed with 'built like a brick'.
Even an EH type would be ideal.
How about an actual EH?
Eddie Hitler?
Big QPR fan, i doubt his heart would be in it.
He's pretty busy leading UKIP at the moment.
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Southmapton have sold Fonte, & now van Dijk is out for months with an ankle break. Richards would do a job for them.
A crutch for Van Dijk to lean on?
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Southmapton have sold Fonte, & now van Dijk is out for months with an ankle break. Richards would do a job for them.
A crutch for Van Dijk to lean on?
Richards would be no good at that either. He'd be so far out of position every time, that Van Dijk would just keep falling over.
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I wonder if there will be any more outs over the next few days. Westwood, Bacuna, Hutton, Richards all surplus to requirements, although Bacuna can cover a couple of positions.
still need a squad. The players mentioned might not get in the starting 11 but will probably still be needed at some stage
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Jedinak
Lansbury - Hourihane
Adomah ------------- Bjarnason
Kodjia
Looks pretty good on paper. All of that front five can score a goal, extra width from full-back too. Jack and Ayew on the bench to mix it up. Still would like a striker, prefer Kodj playing off someone. But I suppose we're stuck with Gabby for now.
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Jedinak
Lansbury - Hourihane
Adomah ------------- Bjarnason
Kodjia
Looks pretty good on paper. All of that front five can score a goal, extra width from full-back too. Jack and Ayew on the bench to mix it up. Still would like a striker, prefer Kodj playing off someone. But I suppose we're stuck with Gabby for now.
You would almost think there was a plan wouldn't you
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Looking at the money spent now compared to last two Summers, it seems very much quality over quantity and something resembling a plan.
Having people at the club who know what they're doing...a simple and yet effective policy.
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I'd have Grealish in and probably drop Jedinak. Still want that centre half, number 9, and shit off a shovel pacey wide man. The latter we won't get.
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Guzan to Atlanta in the MLS.
That's a Brave move
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Guzan to Atlanta in the MLS.
That's a Brave move
They swooped in like a Falcon to secure the deal
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Grealish instead of Bjarnson for me. And if we get him playing anywhere near his best, Ayew for Adomah.
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I'd have Grealish in and probably drop Jedinak. Still want that centre half, number 9, and shit off a shovel pacey wide man. The latter we won't get.
For me Jedinak at this stage is a rotation player and someone you can bring on late in games to see out a result.
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If Guzan is going to the Braves I hope it's not as a catcher.
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If Guzan is going to the Braves I hope it's not as a catcher.
Always better being the pitcher
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Guzan to Atlanta in the MLS.
That's a Brave move
They swooped in like a Falcon to secure the deal
Eyes of a Hawk to spot that.
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Guzan to Atlanta in the MLS.
That's a Brave move
They swooped in like a Falcon to secure the deal
Eyes of a Hawk to spot that.
Thank you. Mr Sox and I were United in our thoughts.
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I'd like to see us get another forward in, even on loan, sign up RHM and then I wouldn't have an issue in Ayew being sold for something stupid. I just don't see how he fits in now.
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With the four coming in, we have to aim for those play off's again. It's a tall order but we're not miles off if we can go on a run. I'd go gung ho at it, if we don't make it at least we can start next season in a much better shape than this one
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Were the Barnsley lads £3m each? Probably over the odds considering they're out of contract in the summer (and clubs can see us coming a mile off all desperate) but good value in the bigger scheme if they fulfil their potential.
£12m back on McCormack and Ayew and a new striker in, maybe Rhodes as it gets close to the wire.
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Five players In is more than I hoped for or expected to see happen. So it is congratulations to Dr X and the Recruitment Team. Hope they are all good, on and off the field, and get the team moving up the table.
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I'd have Grealish in and probably drop Jedinak. Still want that centre half, number 9, and shit off a shovel pacey wide man. The latter we won't get.
For me Jedinak at this stage is a rotation player and someone you can bring on late in games to see out a result.
Watch the Jedi improve dramatically with a decent MF around him - he'll be in the starting XI I reckon.
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I'd have Grealish in and probably drop Jedinak. Still want that centre half, number 9, and shit off a shovel pacey wide man. The latter we won't get.
For me Jedinak at this stage is a rotation player and someone you can bring on late in games to see out a result.
Watch the Jedi improve dramatically with a decent MF around him - he'll be in the starting XI I reckon.
He may well be and it will now be on merit than necessity. The nice thing either way is that we have genuine options.
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Bench: Bunn, Elphick, Bacuna, Grealish, Ayew, McCormack/Flabby (unless a new striker comes in), Green.
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So is Bjarnason a left winger then?
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So is Bjarnason a left winger then?
Can play across midfield. It's true because Fifa said so.
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What a fantastic January transfer Window. Well done all involved. Let's hope everyone fits in relatively quickly. Onwards and upwards UTV
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are we only buying the one today? Has the doc pulled the plug already? Does this mean we have a sell to buy policy in place?
we're doomed, doomed I tells ya!!!!
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So, who next?
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Bench: Bunn, Elphick, Bacuna, Grealish, Ayew, McCormack/Flabby (unless a new striker comes in), Green.
Interesting thing about that starting lineup is that none of the players played for us last year. (I know that Avami was here but he was mostly Injured). Hopefully they will develop the correct mentality to get us out of the division.
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Bench: Bunn, Elphick, Bacuna, Grealish, Ayew, McCormack/Flabby (unless a new striker comes in), Green.
That looks so much better now.
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Bench: Bunn, Elphick, Bacuna, Grealish, Ayew, McCormack/Flabby (unless a new striker comes in), Green.
Interesting thing about that starting lineup is that none of the players played for us last year. (I know that Avami was here but he was mostly Injured). Hopefully they will develop the correct mentality to get us out of the division.
Baker
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Looking at that line-up, Baker is the only one in danger of having the losing mentality mindset. It gives us hope that the rest don't.
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Bench: Bunn, Elphick, Bacuna, Grealish, Ayew, McCormack/Flabby (unless a new striker comes in), Green.
Interesting thing about that starting lineup is that none of the players played for us last year. (I know that Avami was here but he was mostly Injured). Hopefully they will develop the correct mentality to get us out of the division.
Baker
Spent the season on loan
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You know that is a complete turnaround of a complete shithouse of a team previously. If we gel quickly then I still think we could have a late surge.
If not this year then I think if we keep them all together then we will tear this league a new arsehole next season
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Good point.
Anyway, if we can get this lot we'll drilled, fit and to gel together there is no reason why they can't become the best team in the division, which will certainly bode well for next season if not this.
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Sorry, was typing at the same time as you, but looks like we're thinking alike!
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Bench: Bunn, Elphick, Bacuna, Grealish, Ayew, McCormack/Flabby (unless a new striker comes in), Green.
Interesting thing about that starting lineup is that none of the players played for us last year. (I know that Avami was here but he was mostly Injured). Hopefully they will develop the correct mentality to get us out of the division.
Baker
Baker was out on loan last season to give him game time.
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Pretty sure our 4 signings have cost less than Jake Livermore, which for some reason I find QI.
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some excellent business from Dr Yes and Steve Bruce.
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Johnstone
Bree Chester Baker Amavi
Jedinak
Adomah Lansbury Hourihane Bjarnason
Kodjia
Can't really see the need for Jedinak in that eleven to be honest. Pretty sure we'll go 4-4-2 with someone up alongside Kodjia. Hopefully!
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yes Jedi falls into the shit business from Dr Yes category.
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So just another striker to come in I reckon...probably on loan.
Be interested what the plan B is after Jordan Rhodes.
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Lansbury and Hourihane's contracts are up at the end of the season. We should be going all out for the pair of them this month. Wouldn't cost the earth either. 3 in the centre with stability, balance and creativity
Jedinak
Lansbury. Hourihane
Got my wish from 2/1 👍👍🙌🏻🙌🏻
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According the Doc and Wyness we ain't done yet with players likely to go out and come in. That they will work until the end of the window to get things sorted. If nothing else you cannot complain at their efforts to help Bruce having already spent a tidy amount with RDM.
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Jedinak could prove just as valuable for the rest of the season, all the new signings are attack minded so we need an experience defensive midfielder to sit back.
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I wouldn't write Jack off just yet - be interesting to see how he does with better players around him. Upto him to raise his game now.
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So just another striker to come in I reckon...probably on loan.
Be interested what the plan B is after Jordan Rhodes.
I think they will pay what it takes to get Rhodes. They are just trying to cut a deal.
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According to The Mail, we are battling Birmingham City to sign Max Gradel. Is it right to nearly piss your pants when you read stuff like that?
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According to The Mail, we are battling Birmingham City to sign Max Gradel. Is it right to nearly piss your pants when you read stuff like that?
I thought he played well in the African Cup of Nations. Far better than the massively overrated Wilfried Zaha, who has 1 good game in 10.
Who are this Birmingham City that you speak of?
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According the Doc and Wyness we ain't done yet with players likely to go out and come in. That they will work until the end of the window to get things sorted. If nothing else you cannot complain at their efforts to help Bruce having already spent a tidy amount with RDM.
True, although I suspect they'll be hoping to capitalise McCormack after the recent shenanigans.
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According to The Mail, we are battling Birmingham City to sign Max Gradel. Is it right to nearly piss your pants when you read stuff like that?
I thought he played well in the African Cup of Nations. Far better than the massively overrated Wilfried Zaha, who has 1 good game in 10.
Adomah one side and Gradel the other is a stroll-comfortably-to-promotion pair of wingers, even if they would probably both need upgrading when we get there.
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So he is more Grade 2 than Grade I?
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According to The Mail, we are battling Birmingham City to sign Max Gradel. Is it right to nearly piss your pants when you read stuff like that?
I thought he played well in the African Cup of Nations. Far better than the massively overrated Wilfried Zaha, who has 1 good game in 10.
Who are this Birmingham City that you speak of?
They're a massive one city club. We can't compete with their history, stadium, facilities, active and dormant support. Move on.
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Pity Bruce wasn't here in the summer as we wouldn't have spunked millions up the wall on certain nonentities .Well impressed with his signings so far just disappointed that the money we spent on RM could have been used for 2 possibly 3 very useful additions under Bruce.
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I really like Gradel too. Our shopping list has been ace this Jan. Almost like Round and Bruce know what they are doing. Gradel would be exciting. If he and a striker walked in before Tuesday i reckon we would still make the play offs.
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Pity Bruce wasn't here in the summer as we wouldn't have spunked millions up the wall on certain nonentities .Well impressed with his signings so far just disappointed that the money we spent on RM could have been used for 2 possibly 3 very useful additions under Bruce.
I am just as positive as anyone-but just for once-let's see how they perform first. It is likely too late for this season but if things go well and we have the summer to improve again (with some going out the other way), we should be looking at top two.
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Pity Bruce wasn't here in the summer as we wouldn't have spunked millions up the wall on certain nonentities .Well impressed with his signings so far just disappointed that the money we spent on RM could have been used for 2 possibly 3 very useful additions under Bruce.
I am just as positive as anyone-but just for once-let's see how they perform first. It is likely too late for this season but if things go well and we have the summer to improve again (with some going out the other way), we should be looking at top two.
he's not the first manager to try and sort the midfield out
we've bought plenty of players before, and even lots of midfieders,
we had Garner Gueye, Veratout, Sanchez to name a few who came with the hopes of giving us a midfield that actually worked, but all play elsewhere now
its not buying midfielders that will sort the problem out, its buying the right ones,
lets hope Steve Bruce gets it right this time
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Haven't read the thread but ITK shiz, akpom was at BMH yesterday. Probably old news.
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Seems like we have that witch doctor to thank for not being lumbered with A.N.Other lazy shiftless barsteward: (https://www.balls.ie/football/hangeland-on-adebayor-357629?fb&utm_id=b52197b2-4782-46b7-aeb9-98d63f8bd821)
Big, bad Brede Hangeland was a neutral's favourite during his spell at Fulham.
The no-nonsense Norwegian central defender starred for the Cottagers between 2008 and 2014, and was perennially linked to larger clubs such as Arsenal for the better part of his Premier League career.
It was at Crystal Palace where he first trained and played alongside Emmanuel Adebayor, but his definitive and most comical memory of the big Togolese striker arrived a couple of seasons previous, when he was marking Adebayor during a game between Fulham and Spurs.
Hangeland recounted the tale to Norwegian football podcast Heia Fotball. On this show, the guest must pick a 'themed XI' of former teammates. Hangeland was tasked with selecting his all-time 'Lazy XI', where he provided particularly entertaining accounts of training with Wilfried Zaha, Dimitar Berbatov, Bryan Ruiz and Bobby Zamora to name just a few.
t was his Adebayor yarn which stole the show, however. The following was translated from Norwegian to English by r/soccer Scandinavian football sage brodor:
Only played with him for 6 months but a quick story. I played for Fulham and he played for Spurs. We were attacking and I was marking Adebayor in midfield.
Suddenly he says, "Ahhh, I'm hungry".
I replied, "What?"
[Adebayor said:] "I can't wait for the game to finish, I'm so hungry. Do you know a good restaurant in London, Hangeland?"
Later when he came to Palace I started to realise where this came from. When we had strength workouts he would sit in the gym with just a cup of coffee and a muffin. He was being paid by City, Tottenham and Palace at the same time, and he was sitting in the gym drinking coffee. Incredible natural talent, very lazy.
On Berba:
Hangeland also spilled the beans on notorious lazyman Dimitar Berbatov, and his stunning end-of-season frugality:
I've never seen a man get so many massages in my life. I'm certain he spent more hours getting massaged than he trained. Whenever we were in the gym working out Berbatov was getting massages. I knew the guy who gave him massages and usually at the end of the season the players give the physios a gift, a trip, a car, money whatever. He'd massaged Berbatov for hundreds of hours that season and he got...nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Hangeland went on to explain to the host that Berbatov had essentially starved his way to a six-pack, which might somewhat explain his lacklustre nature on the pitch.
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According to The Mail, we are battling Birmingham City to sign Max Gradel. Is it right to nearly piss your pants when you read stuff like that?
This sounds like one of those classic Small Heath PR stunts. Sign some player no one's heard of and create an imaginary link with Villa to make it look like they've beat the us to his signing. Que several thousand semi errections in the Bordesley Green area.
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And that's just the females.
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So just another striker to come in I reckon...probably on loan.
Be interested what the plan B is after Jordan Rhodes.
I think they will pay what it takes to get Rhodes. They are just trying to cut a deal.
To be honest, I hope we don't go for Rhodes as had is not the type of player we need. We really need a centre forward who can hold the ball up and bring others in to play. Kodjia looked at his most dangerous when he was partnered with Gestede and I really think someone who could perform that role effectively could be a very good signing.
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The lad at Brighton (Murray?) prob fits the bill. But that would be one for the summer, when Brighton go up (and if we haven't).
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B'ham Mail reckon Middlesbrough are eyeing a shock move for Jack.....could this be a lever to take Rhodes in p/x? How much would Jack be worth and would you sell him? I'd rather he stayed....
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Selling Jack would be a massive error. Dividing fans and creating pressure on Bruce that he doesn't need.
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Selling Jack would be a massive error. Dividing fans and creating pressure on Bruce that he doesn't need.
He does that if he stays as well.
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B'ham Mail reckon Middlesbrough are eyeing a shock move for Jack.....could this be a lever to take Rhodes in p/x? How much would Jack be worth and would you sell him? I'd rather he stayed....
No chance, the Mail story is just a rehash of a rumour from elsewhere. Something along the lines of 'Middlesbrough might be considering thinking about a possible move for Grealish of somebody else leaves".
We will not want to sell him and I doubt the player would want to go there.
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B'ham Mail reckon Middlesbrough are eyeing a shock move for Jack.....could this be a lever to take Rhodes in p/x? How much would Jack be worth and would you sell him? I'd rather he stayed....
with what ive seen, its a no brainer, Sell.
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B'ham Mail reckon Middlesbrough are eyeing a shock move for Jack.....could this be a lever to take Rhodes in p/x? How much would Jack be worth and would you sell him? I'd rather he stayed....
Crazy impatience. Too early.
with what ive seen, its a no brainer, Sell.
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B'ham Mail reckon Middlesbrough are eyeing a shock move for Jack.....could this be a lever to take Rhodes in p/x? How much would Jack be worth and would you sell him? I'd rather he stayed....
with what ive seen, its a no brainer, Sell.
This comment doesn't do you any favours, Tony. But, we're all entitled to our view.
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B'ham Mail reckon Middlesbrough are eyeing a shock move for Jack.....could this be a lever to take Rhodes in p/x? How much would Jack be worth and would you sell him? I'd rather he stayed....
with what ive seen, its a no brainer, Sell.
This comment doesn't do you any favours, Tony. But, we're all entitled to our view.
I agree with him. Just my opinion but I fear Grealish will be filed alongside Moore/Moore/Delfounso/Gardner, get some cash for him before everyone realises he's massively over hyped.
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He would be crazy to go to them better to wait for the end of the season to see how well he can play with better players around him then one of the top teams may take him.
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B'ham Mail reckon Middlesbrough are eyeing a shock move for Jack.....could this be a lever to take Rhodes in p/x? How much would Jack be worth and would you sell him? I'd rather he stayed....
with what ive seen, its a no brainer, Sell.
This comment doesn't do you any favours, Tony. But, we're all entitled to our view.
I agree with him. Just my opinion but I fear Grealish will be filed alongside Moore/Moore/Delfounso/Gardner, get some cash for him before everyone realises he's massively over hyped.
The difference between him and that lot is that he's actually technically proficient, and also he hasn't suffered two major injuries like Gardner did.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
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I think he will turn out a bit like Hendrie. He'll give us some great moments in 200 odd games and maybe pick up a cap but we will always think he could have been better.
Of course I hope he goes on to be the new Zidane, selling him to Real Madrid for 40m when he's 27.
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Transfers in & out are all part of the clubs strategy to improve & get us back to the prem, some players are worth more than others also easier to move on, we possibly have a few players not wanted by the club but harder to shift look at Nzogbia situation. I for one am pleased with transfers done this window, also I believe the club know what they are doing so let's wait & see & hope the new players gel & we go on an unbeaten run till end of season
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According to The Mail, we are battling Birmingham City to sign Max Gradel. Is it right to nearly piss your pants when you read stuff like that?
This sounds like one of those classic Small Heath PR stunts. Sign some player no one's heard of and create an imaginary link with Villa to make it look like they've beat the us to his signing. Que several thousand semi errections in the Bordesley Green area.
???? Had you heard of Birkir Bjarnason; James Bree and Connor Hourihan a month ago?
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According to The Mail, we are battling Birmingham City to sign Max Gradel. Is it right to nearly piss your pants when you read stuff like that?
This sounds like one of those classic Small Heath PR stunts. Sign some player no one's heard of and create an imaginary link with Villa to make it look like they've beat the us to his signing. Que several thousand semi errections in the Bordesley Green area.
???? Had you heard of Birkir Bjarnason; James Bree and Connor Hourihan a month ago?
No, but we didn't feel the need to create an imaginary link to Small Heath so I don't understand your point.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
A bit too early though to sell him.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
He is targeted by the opposition and consistently draws fouls.
Let's see him with decent players around him.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
You could say that about the whole team!
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
He is targeted by the opposition and consistently draws fouls.
Let's see him with decent players around him.
We'd be even worse off this season if it wasn't for Grealish. I don't understand the clamour from some fans to see the back of him.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
He is targeted by the opposition and consistently draws fouls.
Let's see him with decent players around him.
We'd be even worse off this season if it wasn't for Grealish. I don't understand the clamour from some fans to see the back of him.
Agree,just as some say he is hyped up, the same is true with the criticism.
Some of the stick he got from some supporters on Saturday was shocking.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
He is targeted by the opposition and consistently draws fouls.
Let's see him with decent players around him.
We'd be even worse off this season if it wasn't for Grealish. I don't understand the clamour from some fans to see the back of him.
I think it's to do with pragmatism SH. We are not infinitely resourced and some fans believe if we get the right money for him then let him go, especially since he's never put in consistently decent performances. Look how we have reinvested the Gestede transfer fee. Any other problems let me know.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
He is targeted by the opposition and consistently draws fouls.
Let's see him with decent players around him.
We'd be even worse off this season if it wasn't for Grealish. I don't understand the clamour from some fans to see the back of him.
Agree,just as some say he is hyped up, the same is true with the criticism.
Some of the stick he got from some supporters on Saturday was shocking.
And I know everyone's entitled to a view, but I'm flabbergasted that so many want to see the back of him because he hasn't lived up to the hype. The kid is 21 with his whole career ahead of him. Honestly some people can't see further than the end of their noses.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
He is targeted by the opposition and consistently draws fouls.
Let's see him with decent players around him.
We'd be even worse off this season if it wasn't for Grealish. I don't understand the clamour from some fans to see the back of him.
I think it's to do with pragmatism SH. We are not infinitely resourced and some fans believe if we get the right money for him then let him go, especially since he's never put in consistently decent performances. Look how we have reinvested the Gestede transfer fee. Any other problems let me know.
But these new players haven't knocked a ball for us yet, so none of us know if they're good signings yet.
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I agree with Tony this season apart from the game at Brighton when Jack came on as sub, I have not really seen anything that has made me go wow what a player
I was hoping that he would be a difference maker this season, I am yet to be convinced!
Would have to agree. It might also be that he is in a comfort zone at Villa and in Birmingham and needs a move away to kickstart his career.
He is targeted by the opposition and consistently draws fouls.
Let's see him with decent players around him.
We'd be even worse off this season if it wasn't for Grealish. I don't understand the clamour from some fans to see the back of him.
I think it's to do with pragmatism SH. We are not infinitely resourced and some fans believe if we get the right money for him then let him go, especially since he's never put in consistently decent performances. Look how we have reinvested the Gestede transfer fee. Any other problems let me know.
But these new players haven't knocked a ball for us yet, so none of us know if they're good signings yet.
I completely agree but Bruce has rebuilt in an area we were/are desperately poor in by using the funds from Gestede. The jury is still out on Ayew and Jack and there is the possibility that another club may offer more than their worth.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
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The jury isn't out on either Grealish or Ayew.
Ayew isn't up to much. We know Grealish 'could be' the real deal.
Depends on how much the management value the 'could be'.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
I'm just saying he's a 21 year old who we haven't seen the best of consistently yet. That's no reason to let him go and be a success anywhere else.
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I don't want to see Grealish leave, he would be very low on my list of who I want to go (Gabby is top of my list to go)
I just want to see him show more than what he is currently doing, (Bruce must have the same opinion as he does leave him on the bench regularly), he should be a stand out player in this division, if he has aspirations to play for his country he needs to up his game.
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The jury isn't out on either Grealish or Ayew.
Ayew isn't up to much. We know Grealish 'could be' the real deal.
Depends on how much the management value the 'could be'.
The jury is out. Plenty of people have your views but the other way round.
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I don't want to see Grealish leave, he would be very low on my list of who I want to go (Gabby is top of my list to go)
I just want to see him show more than what he is currently doing, (Bruce must have the same opinion as he does leave him on the bench regularly), he should be a stand out player in this division, if he has aspirations to play for his country he needs to up his game.
Is there a player in the whole squad who couldn't show anymore than he's doing now? Who choose the one player who has actually got a bit of skill on the ball to leave? It's madness.
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I'm not someone who enjoys antagonising people with differing views but Jack and Ayew are very decisive when evaluating their contribution to AVFC. Obviously both are talented but still they haven't stepped up. Cast your mind back to pre season when we were having this very conversation. Fans of Jack and Ayew were telling detractors in no uncertain terms we were mental and that "I just can't understand why fans want rid of our best players?".
Apparently, they were going to tear this league a new arsehole.......
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The jury isn't out on either Grealish or Ayew.
Ayew isn't up to much. We know Grealish 'could be' the real deal.
Depends on how much the management value the 'could be'.
The jury is out. Plenty of people have your views but the other way round.
Yeah, but I'm right and they're wrong.
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I'm not someone who enjoys antagonising people with differing views but Jack and Ayew are very decisive when evaluating their contribution to AVFC. Obviously both are talented but still they haven't stepped up. Cast your mind back to pre season when we were having this very conversation. Fans of Jack and Ayew were telling detractors in no uncertain terms we were mental and that "I just can't understand why fans want rid of our best players?".
Apparently, they were going to tear this league a new arsehole.......
I'd agree with you on Ayew. He hasn't fitted in very well so far, although it would be interesting to see how he does played as a striker with a new midfield behind him. I think he is one that Bruce would sell though if he was offered enough.
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I'm not someone who enjoys antagonising people with differing views but Jack and Ayew are very decisive when evaluating their contribution to AVFC. Obviously both are talented but still they haven't stepped up. Cast your mind back to pre season when we were having this very conversation. Fans of Jack and Ayew were telling detractors in no uncertain terms we were mental and that "I just can't understand why fans want rid of our best players?".
Apparently, they were going to tear this league a new arsehole.......
I'd agree with you on Ayew. He hasn't fitted in very well so far, although it would be interesting to see how he does played as a striker with a new midfield behind him. I think he is one that Bruce would sell though if he was offered enough.
Ayew is a tricky one, I rate him but wouldn't have him upfront ahread of Kodjia and wouldn't start him wide ahead of Adomah.
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I think Ayew's best position may be just off a main striker (and maybe Grealish's too).
He has some real ability, but somehow it just hasn't happened for him.
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I think he will turn out a bit like Hendrie.
Sadly, the only place where he currently competes with the tangerine-one is his off-the-field antics. He isn't anywhere close to Hendrie on the pitch and wouldn't be in my starting XI for Tuesday. I think we still need to give him a bit more time to see if he can blossom into the player we all hope he can be. Time will tell.
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I am disappointed with Ayew this season. He's not done anywhere near as much as I think he's capable of. He's a very talented player.
I don't think we'd sell Grealish and I would hope that we keep hold of him. He has bags of potential to become a match winner as he can do things nobody else in our squad can. I'd hope to see him benefit from having more quality in the midfield.
He's been poor of late, but ultimately he's 21 and has a lot to learn, but similarly a lot to offer.
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Not sure why some are surprised that a few of us are indifferent about the possibility of losing a player who really hasn't contributed anywhere near enough. Sure he has technique, but so did Delfounso. What he didn't have was the drive and commitment to establish his self, and I don't see that in Grealish either. He didn't really stand out when playing at Notts County, and he doesn't stand out anywhere near as much as his inherent talent should allow him to. It's not all about natural talent and at the age of 21 he's not really a kid any ore. If we could get silly money for him and reinvest it, it really wouldn't bother me.
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I think Jack has developed this season in that he has filled out & is actively trying to contribute defensively which he didn't do previously - it would be foolhardy to cut him out just as we are trying to bring in midfielders who will improve us. His challenge now is to get into the team and perform at a level to stay there. He is still v young and needs time to develop fully as he has carried a hell of a weight of expectation in a garbage team.
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I'm not someone who enjoys antagonising people with differing views but Jack and Ayew are very decisive when evaluating their contribution to AVFC. Obviously both are talented but still they haven't stepped up. Cast your mind back to pre season when we were having this very conversation. Fans of Jack and Ayew were telling detractors in no uncertain terms we were mental and that "I just can't understand why fans want rid of our best players?".
Apparently, they were going to tear this league a new arsehole.......
I was probably one of them, I do remember saying that they had the potential to be amongst the best players in the division. I think partly it was me not understanding the nature of this league and partly down to the players. In Ayew's case I think other than the odd flash he has been a major disappointment; Grealish has been kicked from pillar to post, there was a stat a few weeks ago showing him to be the most fouled player in the division, I think he has also suffered from not having players around him on the same wavelength and he has been protected a little by the manager through resting him between games. Selling him would be absolute madness.
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Well it's all about opinions and I don't see much development myself. If he were to start taking more responsibility for being direct, dictating the tempo, taking a shot and playing the risky ball, I'd maybe agree he's worth keeping. But he shows little or no inclination to do that, and his sole value seems to be to win a series of free kicks in dangerous areas which we then waste.
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Did I read that SB thinks we lack pace, I think this is right and it hinders Jack. The movement into space in front of him isn't good enough. Even Kodja want the ball to feet and then to run at his man, we dont have anyone making the darting runs into space Jack can pass to. Perversely, the only times we seen flashes of this is when McCormack has played decently.
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
I don't see any evidence of this petulance on the pitch that you speak of.
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Grealish should be tearing this league up as should Ayew, Ayew looks like a sulky twat, do Boro want him?
Grelish No way
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
I don't see any evidence of this petulance on the pitch that you speak of.
He kicked that Wolves player and got banned for three games. That was pretty petulant.
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
Maybe he wasn't kicked around the pitch then as much as he is now. He's more of a well known name now so he is targeted. As for his petulance, I've not seen much of that. Do you have any examples of such?
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
I don't see any evidence of this petulance on the pitch that you speak of.
He kicked that Wolves player and got banned for three games. That was pretty petulant.
That's football for you. I don't see that a sign of petulance and a reason to sell.
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No I've made clear he would be the first name on the team sheet for me but it was petulant to kick out like that and it cost us, however little protection he was getting from the ref. He really will have to learn to deal with it, an earlier game, I forget which, he was just laughing as players hacked at him. He doesnt seem to be enjoying it so much now.
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
Maybe he wasn't kicked around the pitch then as much as he is now. He's more of a well known name now so he is targeted. As for his petulance, I've not seen much of that. Do you have any examples of such?
His snide kick out leading to a sending-off against Wolves in Bruce's first game.
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
Maybe he wasn't kicked around the pitch then as much as he is now. He's more of a well known name now so he is targeted. As for his petulance, I've not seen much of that. Do you have any examples of such?
His snide kick out leading to a sending-off against Wolves in Bruce's first game.
That's not exactly seeing his petulant side come out 'more often than you'd want' as you put it, it was once. Maybe once too many, but it's hardly a fair stick to beat him with.
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All players kick now and again, especially players who are targeted like grealish is. In fact I think he's done well not to lash out even more.
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
Maybe he wasn't kicked around the pitch then as much as he is now. He's more of a well known name now so he is targeted. As for his petulance, I've not seen much of that. Do you have any examples of such?
His snide kick out leading to a sending-off against Wolves in Bruce's first game.
That's not exactly seeing his petulant side come out 'more often than you'd want' as you put it, it was once. Maybe once too many, but it's hardly a fair stick to beat him with.
Cardiff away, sarcastically applauding the ref for giving him a free, got a yellow. let the situation get to him that game I thought when he looked a threat for us
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Re his spell at Notts County, I thought a year amongst cloggers old enough to be his younger uncle would have served him well for the Championship in terms of dealing with rough treatment but he has let his petulant side come to the fore this season more often than you'd want.
Maybe he wasn't kicked around the pitch then as much as he is now. He's more of a well known name now so he is targeted. As for his petulance, I've not seen much of that. Do you have any examples of such?
His snide kick out leading to a sending-off against Wolves in Bruce's first game.
That's not exactly seeing his petulant side come out 'more often than you'd want' as you put it, it was once. Maybe once too many, but it's hardly a fair stick to beat him with.
Cardiff away, sarcastically applauding the ref for giving him a free, got a yellow. let the situation get to him that game I thought when he looked a threat for us
I wasn't there but according to the commentary he got kicked all over the park, on some occasions off the ball. He had wound up Warnock in the first game at VP which might explain it though.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
Lay off the salt?
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
Lay off the salt?
And burnt toast
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
We just bought some decent CMs and now we have folks petitioning for Jack to go?
In every Pre-Match thread 95% of members put Jack in the starting XI.
We beg for collective creativity from the midfield and now we want Jack to go?
The fact the fucking BORO go from chasing Jesé, who is a damn good player, to Jack should speak volumes. Why in the hell would we get rid of an academy player that for a while was the only player in the squad that could trap a football, dribble past a defender and play fluid from box to box.
Fickle is the very definition of this conversation. So pathetic.
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Brilliant VD. He sounds amazing. Who is he?
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Ayew looks like a sulky twat
Why is his appearance relevant?
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Did I read that SB thinks we lack pace, I think this is right and it hinders Jack. The movement into space in front of him isn't good enough. Even Kodja want the ball to feet and then to run at his man, we dont have anyone making the darting runs into space Jack can pass to. Perversely, the only times we seen flashes of this is when McCormack has played decently.
But Grealish himself lacks pace and adds to our problems in that respect. He also inevitably slows down attacks. Plus he doesn't seem that keen to play the kid of balls you mention. His general MO is to do a little shimmy, which either draws a foul, or he gets past his man and then does a safe sideways pass. He has linked up well with McCormack once or twice with some little one twos, but they are few and far between.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
We just bought some decent CMs and now we have folks petitioning for Jack to go?
In every Pre-Match thread 95% of members put Jack in the starting XI.
We beg for collective creativity from the midfield and now we want Jack to go?
The fact the fucking BORO go from chasing Jesé, who is a damn good player, to Jack should speak volumes. Why in the hell would we get rid of an academy player that for a while was the only player in the squad that could trap a football, dribble past a defender and play fluid from box to box.
Fickle is the very definition of this conversation. So pathetic.
That's a bit drama queen isn't it?
Who's is petitioning for him to go? Just saying it wouldn't bother us if he did.
I don't think 95% of pre-match threads do include him.
I haven't seen much creativity from Grealish, and don't really expect to, that's exactly why it wouldn't bother me if we sold him.
This would be Boro who signed Gestede and Traore who were both shite to mediocre for us?
Could you give some examples of his fluid box to box play as I'm struggling to remember any.
There is nothing more pathetic than dragging up O'Dreary's favourite excuse as a put-down, especially when it could never apply to a conversation where two groups are expressing opposing opinions.
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It would bother me if he went.
He's still too young to expect him to be dominating game after game; and let's also remember he has never played in a competent midfield over a number of games; or had a decent run of games.
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Ayew looks like a sulky twat
Why is his appearance relevant?
Maybe because when his body language is suggesting he'd rather be somewhere else, he usually plays like he'd rather be somewhere else. This has been the case a few times this season, particularly Bristol City away where he was a disgrace.
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It would bother me if he went.
He's still too young to expect him to be dominating game after game; and let's also remember he has never played in a competent midfield over a number of games; or had a decent run of games.
He played in a competent midfield for England U21's and showed what he can do.
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I don't really get this at all.
Do we need to bring money in?
Are we replete in the number of players?
Do we think that our squad needs to be more 'mature' in some way?
Are we no longer a club that develops players?
... we don't need to sell any players, unless - like McCormack - there is a large sum of money invested in a 'wantaway'.
I hope that Grealish stays, continues to learn, benefits from having some new midfielders around him and starts to make a more material contribution in the form of assists and goals.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
We just bought some decent CMs and now we have folks petitioning for Jack to go?
In every Pre-Match thread 95% of members put Jack in the starting XI.
We beg for collective creativity from the midfield and now we want Jack to go?
The fact the fucking BORO go from chasing Jesé, who is a damn good player, to Jack should speak volumes. Why in the hell would we get rid of an academy player that for a while was the only player in the squad that could trap a football, dribble past a defender and play fluid from box to box.
Fickle is the very definition of this conversation. So pathetic.
That's a bit drama queen isn't it?
Who's is petitioning for him to go? Just saying it wouldn't bother us if he did.
I don't think 95% of pre-match threads do include him.
I haven't seen much creativity from Grealish, and don't really expect to, that's exactly why it wouldn't bother me if we sold him.
This would be Boro who signed Gestede and Traore who were both shite to mediocre for us?
Could you give some examples of his fluid box to box play as I'm struggling to remember any.
There is nothing more pathetic than dragging up O'Dreary's favourite excuse as a put-down, especially when it could never apply to a conversation where two groups are expressing opposing opinions.
This is a bluenose troll job if I've ever seen one.
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Play nicely please.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
We just bought some decent CMs and now we have folks petitioning for Jack to go?
In every Pre-Match thread 95% of members put Jack in the starting XI.
We beg for collective creativity from the midfield and now we want Jack to go?
The fact the fucking BORO go from chasing Jesé, who is a damn good player, to Jack should speak volumes. Why in the hell would we get rid of an academy player that for a while was the only player in the squad that could trap a football, dribble past a defender and play fluid from box to box.
Fickle is the very definition of this conversation. So pathetic.
That's a bit drama queen isn't it?
Who's is petitioning for him to go? Just saying it wouldn't bother us if he did.
I don't think 95% of pre-match threads do include him.
I haven't seen much creativity from Grealish, and don't really expect to, that's exactly why it wouldn't bother me if we sold him.
This would be Boro who signed Gestede and Traore who were both shite to mediocre for us?
Could you give some examples of his fluid box to box play as I'm struggling to remember any.
There is nothing more pathetic than dragging up O'Dreary's favourite excuse as a put-down, especially when it could never apply to a conversation where two groups are expressing opposing opinions.
This is a bluenose troll job if I've ever seen one.
Yeah, with his 4000-odd posts.
I don't agree with him by the way.
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I wouldnt want jack to leave at this point, however if something is going on behind the scenes then i trust sb to deal with it
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I wouldn't be against him going out on loan.
I know that's not how these things usually work: The loan market generally exists to give a player getting limited game time more opportunities at a level or two down.
But some of the lower half Prem sides might go for it. For Boro, I don't think spending £15 million + (which is what it should take -minimum- to let him go permanently) is wise. There's a distinct possibility they will be back in the Championship next season. But a short-term loan might benefit all sides.
Being brutally honest, the more I see of Grealish, the less convinced I am. A few nice touches here and there and some good finishes this season. But against the plodders in this division he should be running the show. All to often he is on the fringes, with little > no impact. When he initially broke through in 14/15 he looked a find. But even allowing for the difficult second season, he has rarely looked that good since. I allow for the possibility that being at a club as schizophrenic as ours in recent seasons has had an impact on that (the better players usually find a way, mind) so a temporary change of scenery at a more settled club could work.
Gives him the chance to develop in a less pressured atmosphere than his hometown club. If he comes back in good form and can carry that on with us-happy days. Failing that, he's put himself in the shop window for a better Premiership side.
But If he was to make little impact in that scenario too, we might have to face the prospect that he isn't much cop.
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I don't get some people's thinking that just because we've brought some new players in, everything's going to be fine and we can afford to let some good players go.
We're not talking about selling Gordon Cowans and David Platt.We're talking about Jack.
Yeah but it's potentially like only ever putting pepper on your food and when you finally get some salt you get rid of the pepper.
We just bought some decent CMs and now we have folks petitioning for Jack to go?
In every Pre-Match thread 95% of members put Jack in the starting XI.
We beg for collective creativity from the midfield and now we want Jack to go?
The fact the fucking BORO go from chasing Jesé, who is a damn good player, to Jack should speak volumes. Why in the hell would we get rid of an academy player that for a while was the only player in the squad that could trap a football, dribble past a defender and play fluid from box to box.
Fickle is the very definition of this conversation. So pathetic.
That's a bit drama queen isn't it?
Who's is petitioning for him to go? Just saying it wouldn't bother us if he did.
I don't think 95% of pre-match threads do include him.
I haven't seen much creativity from Grealish, and don't really expect to, that's exactly why it wouldn't bother me if we sold him.
This would be Boro who signed Gestede and Traore who were both shite to mediocre for us?
Could you give some examples of his fluid box to box play as I'm struggling to remember any.
There is nothing more pathetic than dragging up O'Dreary's favourite excuse as a put-down, especially when it could never apply to a conversation where two groups are expressing opposing opinions.
This is a bluenose troll job if I've ever seen one.
Really? Because I have a different opinion? And you have the nerve to call other posters pathetic.
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If I was Steve Bruce I would get John Robertson in coaching staff to work on our wingers and full backs. I think he still live in Birmingham.
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If I was Steve Bruce I would get John Robertson in coaching staff to work on our wingers and full backs. I think he still live in Birmingham.
Why when he failed to do it when he was here the first time? Other than that I don't think he's in the best of health.
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If I was Steve Bruce I would get John Robertson in coaching staff to work on our wingers and full backs. I think he still live in Birmingham.
Why when he failed to do it when he was here the first time? Other than that I don't think he's in the best of health.
The wingers yes, but I'd rather he didn't teach our full backs how to become lumpen, out of position centre haves, thanks.
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Ayew looks like a sulky twat
Why is his appearance relevant?
Not his appearance the way he carries himself body language
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Being linked with a Bury defender called Jacob Bedeau.
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Being linked with a Bury defender called Jacob Bedeau.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38680972
Supposedly Manure and Liverpool interested as well.
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Reading that article saw the link at the side that Cissokho has gone out on loan.....completely missed that, what a good bit of news!
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Ayew looks like a sulky twat
Why is his appearance relevant?
Not his appearance the way he carries himself body language
imo Ayew is worth persevering with, definitely has a touch but his decision making/awareness needs to improve, with better players round him could be a game changer.
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Let's see what Jack's like with the new midfield behind him. He's been playing in a shit team for a lot of the time, one that would probably make many good players look crap.
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I'm a locksmith. And i'm a locksmith.
Has no relevance but a line that needs saying every now and again.
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Being linked with a Bury defender called Jacob Bedeau.
I thought we'd been knocked back by Bury with that 750,000 offer.
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Reading that article saw the link at the side that Cissokho has gone out on loan.....completely missed that, what a good bit of news!
My mates an Olympiakos fan, he saw the news and was excited as he remembers Cissokho as an exciting young attacking full back at Lyon, I had to break it to him gently.
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Being linked with a Bury defender called Jacob Bedeau.
I thought we'd been knocked back by Bury with that 750,000 offer.
They rejected two bids. According to some sources (a couple of journalists and Twitter) they've accepted our third bid and he's set to have a medical.
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Reading that article saw the link at the side that Cissokho has gone out on loan.....completely missed that, what a good bit of news!
My mates an Olympiakos fan, he saw the news and was excited as he remembers Cissokho as an exciting young attacking full back at Lyon, I had to break it to him gently.
that is mean let him have his dream
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I'm a locksmith. And i'm a locksmith.
Has no relevance but a line that needs saying every now and again.
God I loved that line
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With regards to Jack, the fact that he's getting boxed in by up to three defenders at a time which the rest of the midfield hasn't been exploiting is enough for me to say we still haven't seen everything he can do. Our opponents have all known that if you can stop him from getting space we have no one else who is really going to hurt them in the transition between the defenders and the forwards. With a more even contribution through the midfield I see him being one on one more often or if he is against two defenders we should have the other midfielder able to find a two on one in our favour elsewhere. When the next ball actually causes some damage the neat little sideways passes when he's under pressure look so much better. He almost always finds an outball, just the mids we have can't do anything with it
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With regards to Jack, the fact that he's getting boxed in by up to three defenders at a time which the rest of the midfield hasn't been exploiting is enough for me to say we still haven't seen everything he can do. Our opponents have all known that if you can stop him from getting space we have no one else who is really going to hurt them in the transition between the defenders and the forwards. With a more even contribution through the midfield I see him being one on one more often or if he is against two defenders we should have the other midfielder able to find a two on one in our favour elsewhere. When the next ball actually causes some damage the neat little sideways passes when he's under pressure look so much better. He almost always finds an outball, just the mids we have can't do anything with it
Common sense talking.
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Neil Taylor, Mo Barrow
Ayew going to Swansea as makeweight
*taps nose*
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John Percy reckons we are in for Neil Taylor and Barrow from Swansea with Ayew as a make weight. Also still in for Rhodes with Boro likely to drop the price. I reckon if we find a buyer for McCormack we will buy Rhodes. The Taylor and Barrow links make sense as we need more pace and left back competition. None of it will involve Jack in the end and nor should it unless it was silly money offered as i said last night. It would be interesting if we did get a winger like Barrow and stoker like Rhodes in, how much Jack would have to up his productivity to make the team. Both come off I reckon behind Newcastle we will have the best squad. Get 2 or 3 results we could easily go on a long run.
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Neil Taylor is a fine player, would suggest Amavi is off. TBF that'd be an upgrade, I really rate Taylor.
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I've rated Taylor in the past (not seen him play for some time). As Amavi is the only left back we have though, I would imagine it's more about competition for places.
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With regards to Jack, the fact that he's getting boxed in by up to three defenders at a time which the rest of the midfield hasn't been exploiting is enough for me to say we still haven't seen everything he can do. Our opponents have all known that if you can stop him from getting space we have no one else who is really going to hurt them in the transition between the defenders and the forwards. With a more even contribution through the midfield I see him being one on one more often or if he is against two defenders we should have the other midfielder able to find a two on one in our favour elsewhere. When the next ball actually causes some damage the neat little sideways passes when he's under pressure look so much better. He almost always finds an outball, just the mids we have can't do anything with it
Common sense talking.
I second this
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John Percy
27 JANUARY 2017 • 10:32PM
Steve Bruce has launched a bid for Swansea's Neil Taylor and Modou Barrow as he moves to further strengthen his Aston Villa squad.
Bruce is targeting a raid on the struggling Premier League club for Taylor, the left-back, and winger Barrow, with Ghana international Jordan Ayew emerging as a possible makeweight in the deal.
Villa have spent around £10million in the January transfer window but Bruce wants to make at least two more signings before Tuesday's deadline.
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I've rated Taylor in the past (not seen him play for some time). As Amavi is the only left back we have though, I would imagine it's more about competition for places.
It would give a number of options. Play Taylor in games where we need to be more defensive, Amavi in games we're likely to be doing more attacking. Or try playing Amavi in front of Taylor and see how that goes. And just in case Amavi decides he wants to leave either this month or the end of the season, a ready made quality replacement. It'd be another good, solid signing.
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Taylor and Barrow for Ayew? Yes please. Taylor is a very decent player. Barrow is very quick. We would Muller teams on the break!
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I think Swansea fans don't rate Taylor and that Barrow may be quick, but if we want quick lets get Bolt. He seems a headless chicken to me, lets let the fat spanish waiter outbid us me thinks
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Neil Taylor is a fine player, would suggest Amavi is off. TBF that'd be an upgrade, I really rate Taylor.
Lost his way a bit recently but would be a good signing for us. I've got to say, I'm really impressed with the way we have gone about this window and if those two come in, I just think we would be a striker short from having had an excellent window.
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
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That may be so, but if you keep buying tat then you end up with a house full of tat that needs replacing until you realise that you should have bought quality in the first place. You can't polish (or coach) a turd and our house is full of shit tat which is why we got relegated in the first place and the tat isn't good enough to get us out of this shitfest.
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We have gone out a bought a bucket full of players in the past. I have to be honest I know nothing about the ones we've signed. I would rather we went for quality not quantity. It's certainly been a barmy January window. Fingers crossed they are all upgrades. I also hope that Johnstone proves to an upgrade too.
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Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
Sometimes you have to accept that you can't put it where it won't go.
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This is the most excited and optimistic I've felt since the summer of 2015 when we also signed a load of players I'd either never heard of or ever seen play.
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
No we're not. We are completely restructuring our central midfield. I don't know if you'd noticed but it was completely pump. I think Bruce had noticed that. He's a genius.
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The good thing is that bree, hourihane and lansbury are familiar with the league, no bedding in, no language barriers, no fitness issues
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
No we're not. We are completely restructuring our central midfield. I don't know if you'd noticed but it was completely pump. I think Bruce had noticed that. He's a genius.
I'm well aware of that and yes the midfield was rubbish, but we're not finished yet. I'm not disagreeing with the positions we've replaced, but I hope this is the last time we have to do major surgery on the squad for a while.
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
I look at it differently. Two summers ago, we had no choice, other than to restructure the team, given that the heart of it had been ripped out (Delph, Benteke, Vlaar, Cleverley).
Last summer, it was also crucial to replace as many of the relegated side as possible-They were a pathetic sight, beaten into submission. They were used to loosing and bear in mind, we had not bought reinforcements in, in January, preferring to wait until the summer. IMO, RDM did a decent job in the summer (with an amazing war chest admittedly). We turned a corner then and began to stop the rot. When you bring in so many players, it is likely that some will not work out and so has been the case with our summer crop. Steve Bruce came in and obviously wants his own men here, which is understandable. I don't think anyone would disagree with the need to bring a keeper in. Likewise, the midfielders. What we forget is that we got these players in for absolute bargains, meaning a net spend at the end of the window is likely to be quite low, compared to the quality we have bought in. Are there two more talked about midfielders in the division than Lansbury & Hourihane?
Given where we were 18 months ago, I'm delighted with the position after 2 windows. It will take us another 2 to get where we need to be but I'm content with the progress, given the circumstances. This summer, I envisage around 4 or 5 incoming. I think that Amavi will leave us, meaning a new LB is required, a keeper will be needed and it wouldn't surprise me if Bruce bought in another central defender. With Hutton out of contract, we are also likely to be looking at a RB, unless Bruce is keen on DeLeat (unlike me).
Newcastle had a head start on us this season, their team was far better than ours when we both went down. I'd say there is very little between the 2 now, although I've read that they are going to be spending big before the window closes. This time next year, that should be us, looking at bringing in PL quality players. Look at Norwich though-We have caught them up and I expect us to finish above them this season. They were a better side than us last season as well.
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I had a quick look on a Bury message board, they are disappointed to lose the defender but they are raving about another youngster, called Harker.
Best player since Peter Reid is the gist.
Nab him too.
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Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
Sometimes you have to accept that you can't put it where it won't go.
That's not the kind of attitude that makes people a world leader
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IMO, RDM did a decent job in the summer (with an amazing war chest admittedly). We turned a corner then and began to stop the rot.
Did we stop the rot though? DiMatteo's 10 points from 11 games suggests otherwise. That's why he was sacked.
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Peter Reid may well be in The Crown in Southwold over the weekend (he is not dead is he?) I will mention the boy Harker.
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IMO, RDM did a decent job in the summer (with an amazing war chest admittedly). We turned a corner then and began to stop the rot.
Did we stop the rot though? DiMatteo's 10 points from 11 games suggests otherwise. That's why he was sacked.
I think that the rot was stopped. You don't go from the free fall that we were in to title challengers in one window. There was a need to stabalise and to stop falling. This happened under RDM although it was felt that he should have been doing better, given the budget he had been given. The midfield was a big problem and cost RDM his job with the late equalisers from Huddersfield, Barnsley, Forest & Brentford. The performance at Preston that ultimately cost RDM was no better and no worse than the performance at Wolves the other week. As I said, it takes more than 1 window to sort a shambles as bad as ours was out.
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If we're signing players with potential value (Bree, Bedeau?) then we shouldn't even think about selling one with potential value. Grealish still has it all to do and he's by no means first choice especially with the incomings of the last week, but it's too early to give up on him. Villa have enough players where the potential value is long gone and who are just making up the numbers who I would prefer to see sold ahead of Grealish!
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More grist for the rumour mill , good point made about the FFP, something I'd forgotten about with all the ' comings' and fewer ' goings'....Godzvilla!
According to The Telegraph, Steve Bruce has made a bid for Swansea duo Neil Taylor and Modou Barrow in an attempt to strengthen his squad further.
Bruce has already spent around £10 million this January, but he is looking to get in a couple more players before the window slams shut at 11pm on Tuesday. It is thought that Bruce is contemplating selling Jordan Ayew, who would relish a return to the Premier League, in order to get some sort of deal done.
Ayew has been mentioned as part of a swap deal with Barrow, as Bruce, due to Financial Fair Play, cannot keep signing new players without trimming his squad.
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Having been to a few Swans matches in recent seasons I can assure you all that Barrow and Taylor are not the answers we're looking for.
Barrow is a headless chicken, plenty of pace and no brain, he'd be an ok impact player off the bench against tiring defenders, but that's about it.
As for Taylor, he's never been the same since his injury 3-4 years ago. He was quality before, but since then, Ben Davies came in and did so well and got his move to Spurs. Only reason Taylor did ok was because he had Ashley Williams guiding him. Since he's gone Taylor has been a liability and at fault for many goals. He'd be no better than Amavi defensively and much worse as an attacking threat.
I count the Swans as my 2nd team, and would be delighted to seem him leave, but not to come to us. Really hope this one is just a paragraph filler!
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As an avid follower of the Welsh national team, I don't think Neil Taylor is the answer. He'd be a good left back at this level, but I think Amavi is potentially a far superior player.
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I think we need to stop now. Getting in too many players in one window never helps.
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I will be more than happy if Grealish thrives once surrounded by better players, although I'm still not sure how that is going to improve his lack of pace, poor decision making and his apparent reluctance to play the killer pass or take a pot when well positioned. Better players may well give him more options and take the attention away from him, it's up to Grealish to step up and make his mark. I can't say I'm confident, but it will be good for Villa if he proves me wrong.
If we sign a LB I've long thought Amavi would be better doing a Bale and switihing to left midfield. I think he could be very good in that role.
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I will be more than happy if Grealish thrives once surrounded by better players, although I'm still not sure how that is going to improve his lack of pace, poor decision making and his apparent reluctance to play the killer pass or take a pot when well positioned. Better players may well give him more options and take the attention away from him, it's up to Grealish to step up and make his mark. I can't say I'm confident, but it will be good for Villa if he proves me wrong.
If we sign a LB I've long thought Amavi would be better doing a Bale and switihing to left midfield. I think he could be very good in that role.
Ive thought that since the first time i saw him, as a defender there is only so much you can coach
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IMO, RDM did a decent job in the summer (with an amazing war chest admittedly). We turned a corner then and began to stop the rot.
Did we stop the rot though? DiMatteo's 10 points from 11 games suggests otherwise. That's why he was sacked.
I think that the rot was stopped. You don't go from the free fall that we were in to title challengers in one window. There was a need to stabalise and to stop falling. This happened under RDM although it was felt that he should have been doing better, given the budget he had been given. The midfield was a big problem and cost RDM his job with the late equalisers from Huddersfield, Barnsley, Forest & Brentford. The performance at Preston that ultimately cost RDM was no better and no worse than the performance at Wolves the other week. As I said, it takes more than 1 window to sort a shambles as bad as ours was out.
Hindsight tells us that RdM and Clarke were a complete disaster - and I was very surprised that they proved so ineffectual. I watched most of the first dozen or so games home and away and, after a reasonable first game at Hillsborough, the quality of football and player-commitment plummetted pretty quickly. It looked like a squad that did not know what was epxected of them, in tactical terms, and lacked a real leader.
Bruce, for all his limitations, has brought stability, purpose and tactical awareness and I think with the new signings we will push on and do well.
Thank Christ the Dr saw things early and took action.
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Not related to us but I spotted this ridiculous story in the BBC gossip page.
Wayne Rooney is ready to quit Manchester United this summer for a final huge payday in China, where some clubs are willing to pay the England captain, 31, as much as £1m a week.
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I've rated Taylor in the past (not seen him play for some time). As Amavi is the only left back we have though, I would imagine it's more about competition for places.
I think that would suggest we'd cash in.
Taylor is still a regular for Swansea....he wouldn't swap that for coming here to sit on the bench.
And I doubt Amavi would want to go back to our bench when decent teams in europe supposedly want him.
Getting 15-20m for him would be a good way of balancing the books.
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
To be honest Paul, I think this is being done with next season in mind now. I would expect us to have a good go at the rest of the season, but in reality I think we're looking at bedding these players in over the next few months, creating a solid spine of a side and then a bit of fine tuning to the squad in the summer in preparation for next season.
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Full redesign going on it seems, like it so far although probably placed the odd bet too many. Might come off you never know. Need more goals, have we scored more than 2 in any game this season? Not achieved only through strikers, service to the 18/6 yd boxes and a sniper to crack them in wanted. Gerd Muller style if you know what that is.
A couple of good off-loads, the best would be RMcC - most unimpressed there. Ought to pay back his and his agents commission too.
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
To be honest Paul, I think this is being done with next season in mind now. I would expect us to have a good go at the rest of the season, but in reality I think we're looking at bedding these players in over the next few months, creating a solid spine of a side and then a bit of fine tuning to the squad in the summer in preparation for next season.
After the years of dreadful decision making & abject performances, it's certainly heartening to witness the club apparently planning for a positive and successful future on the park. Whatever happens between now until the end of the season will be vital to next season's progress - whether we stay put or sneak up. Here's hoping the new recruits can push us on to that next level.
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ps I've got a strong feeling that Rhodes will be at VP before the end of this transfer window. Perhaps it will be dependent on whether the likes of McBigmac, Ayew and whoever else gets shipped out, but I'm sure the Villa hierarchy will have a number of workable funding options up their sleeves if they want to get things sorted.
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ps I've got a strong feeling that Rhodes will be at VP before the end of this transfer window. Perhaps it will be dependent on whether the likes of McBigmac, Ayew and whoever else gets shipped out, but I'm sure the Villa hierarchy will have a number of workable funding options up their sleeves if they want to get things sorted.
I'd suggest if McCormack and Ayew are shipped out we need two strikers since Gestede was shipped out a few weeks ago? we've sorted the Midfield very impressively in this window, but need strikers in!
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As Ayew is still away I can't see him going in this window somehow.
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As Ayew is still away I can't see him going in this window somehow.
The deal can still go through. He doesn't physically have to be in England.
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I know but I'm convinced he will stay and I hope he does.
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I know but I'm convinced he will stay and I hope he does.
I'm really not fussed. I don't actually see what he brings and don't actually know how he fits in. Like what's his best position? He's a talented player but he's just so non descript at times.
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I know but I'm convinced he will stay and I hope he does.
I'm really not fussed. I don't actually see what he brings and don't actually know how he fits in. Like what's his best position? He's a talented player but he's just so non descript at times.
Hard to disagree Toronto. Seemingly we once again signed a player without knowing where he played or how he'd fit.
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There's an interesting piece I've just seen on ESPN regarding a possible swap involving Jordan Ayew & the Swansea LB Neil Taylor. Gawd knows if there's any truth in it, mind...
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/soccer-transfers/story/3048035/swansea-and-aston-villa-eye-jordan-ayew-and-neil-taylor-swap-sources (http://www.espn.co.uk/football/soccer-transfers/story/3048035/swansea-and-aston-villa-eye-jordan-ayew-and-neil-taylor-swap-sources)
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As Ayew is still away I can't see him going in this window somehow.
The deal can still go through. He doesn't physically have to be in England.
Im sure i read somewhere that he had had a medical before he went to afcon so would only have to agree terms
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I know but I'm convinced he will stay and I hope he does.
I'm really not fussed. I don't actually see what he brings and don't actually know how he fits in. Like what's his best position? He's a talented player but he's just so non descript at times.
Hard to disagree Toronto. Seemingly we once again signed a player without knowing where he played or how he'd fit.
It happens at every club though, not just us. Where it happens less is where the club has a defined way of playing or a structure in place that allows for continuity of strategy; both in terms of playing staff and coaches/managers. Even then it is hard to maintain. Southampton are probably the best current example of it.
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looks like that young Bury defender is definitely coming
Bury head coach Chris Brass has confirmed that the deal has been agreed.
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Not related to us but I spotted this ridiculous story in the BBC gossip page.
Wayne Rooney is ready to quit Manchester United this summer for a final huge payday in China, where some clubs are willing to pay the England captain, 31, as much as £1m a week.
Rooney abroad? He'll make Ian Rush look like Nigel Havers. Don't see that one somehow.
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Not related to us but I spotted this ridiculous story in the BBC gossip page.
Wayne Rooney is ready to quit Manchester United this summer for a final huge payday in China, where some clubs are willing to pay the England captain, 31, as much as £1m a week.
Rooney abroad? He'll make Ian Rush look like Nigel Havers. Don't see that one somehow.
He'd be fucked just sauntering through Chinatown in Manchester. He'd be desperately looking for the nearest bobby to hold his hand and take him to the nearest McDonalds.
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Not related to us but I spotted this ridiculous story in the BBC gossip page.
Wayne Rooney is ready to quit Manchester United this summer for a final huge payday in China, where some clubs are willing to pay the England captain, 31, as much as £1m a week.
Rooney abroad? He'll make Ian Rush look like Nigel Havers. Don't see that one somehow.
He'd be fucked just sauntering through Chinatown in Manchester. He'd be desperately looking for the nearest bobby to hold his hand and take him to the nearest McDonalds.
For £1m a week, I'm sure he could stay in his house and have food delivered.
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
No we're not. We are completely restructuring our central midfield. I don't know if you'd noticed but it was completely pump. I think Bruce had noticed that. He's a genius.
For once we appear to be buying players with a future in front of them not a past behind them, we've not spent a net penny this transfer window by my reckoning and should any of our new players not work out there's a greater resale value for them. That said I agree entirely with the posts re our apparent lack of coaching - We could sign Pele,Cryufff, Beckenbauer and Zidane and turn them into Micah Richards, Jolean Lescott, Gabby Agbonlahor and Kevin Francis in a month !
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We seem to be completely restructuring the team in one transfer window, for the third time in 18 months
I'm happy with the deals so far. But think we should slow down. Whatever happened to coaching improvement?
That is an element of concern. This can't keep happening and hopefully this is the last time. The only player who we've signed that I think I've seen play more than once is Lansbury, who I do rate, so I hope the others live up to expectation.
No we're not. We are completely restructuring our central midfield. I don't know if you'd noticed but it was completely pump. I think Bruce had noticed that. He's a genius.
For once we appear to be buying players with a future in front of them not a past behind them, we've not spent a net penny this transfer window by my reckoning and should any of our new players not work out there's a greater resale value for them. That said I agree entirely with the posts re our apparent lack of coaching - We could sign Pele,Cryufff, Beckenbauer and Zidane and turn them into Micah Richards, Jolean Lescott, Gabby Agbonlahor and Kevin Francis in a month !
I don't believe coaching was really the overriding issue. More that our previous owner's disinterest lead to proxy mismanagement and a desperate lack of expectation. That shitstorm produced a crippling malaise and a stench that Dr.T is still purifying.
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Well said Tayls. Quite right. I'm sure that that stench will be further exterminated by the time the window shuts too. For the first time in five years, we seem to be well organised and optimistic.
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that's true up to a point - but let's not loose sight of the fact that Dr Yes sanctioned RDM, Ross McFuckwit and a few other signings who have proved equally calamitous . Had we appointed Bruce the moment he stepped away from Hull, I think we would be in a play off spot right now. What I do like about the good Doctor, however, is his willingness to learn from mistakes, as opposed to Randy who simply went on perpetrating them.
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Agree with all the foregoing, especially Tayl's 'desperate lack of expectation'. The single event of the last six years that stands as a landmark in a landscape of failure is Lambert's hailing reduced expectations as an accomplishment.
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I know but I'm convinced he will stay and I hope he does.
I'm really not fussed. I don't actually see what he brings and don't actually know how he fits in. Like what's his best position? He's a talented player but he's just so non descript at times.
Hard to disagree Toronto. Seemingly we once again signed a player without knowing where he played or how he'd fit.
like Grealish, I thought Ayew would rip this league apart. Seems as though arguably two of our best creative players have suffered from a lack of quality around them. But then you look at Kodjia who has come from nowhere and looked the business. Fkd if I can explain it. I want them all to do well. It's just frustrating how the side isn't firing yet, when they really should be.
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A straight swap for Neil Taylor would be pretty awful and under value Ayew by a good 5m. I think we got our pants pulled down on the Rhodes/ Gestede deals and can see it happening again here if not careful. Taylor is worth about 4m, Ayew 9 or 10.
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A straight swap for Neil Taylor would be pretty awful and under value Ayew by a good 5m. I think we got our pants pulled down on the Rhodes/ Gestede deals and can see it happening again here if not careful. Taylor is worth about 4m, Ayew 9 or 10.
Is it a straight swap though?
Xia has posted "+75% -75% +X"
Realistically, if Schlup & Van Aanholt can go for £12 million or more, then Swansea will be asking for similar for Taylor.
My educated guess will be that we also see circa £4 million coming our way, which is more than enough to clinch the Rhodes deal.
We could then look at it as having swapped Gestede & Ayew for Rhodes and Taylor.
Another point is that player swaps rarely happen these days. For some reason, clubs prefer to keep the deals separate, even if they are discussed as swaps. I'm not sure why they do this?
I have to confess on being slightly worried by Taylor. The reports aren't good. Simply being a PL player does not automatically mean you will improve a Championship side,just look at our team from last season. Furthermore, Taylor is not even 1st choice in a side that will likely be Championship next season. In Bruce we trust I guess.
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Taylor is a fine full-back. He may have lost his way a bit, but so have Swansea. He's a better player than Amavi right now, for me.
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Taylor is a fine full-back. He may have lost his way a bit, but so have Swansea. He's a better player than Amavi right now, for me.
If that is correct then swapping a squad player for someone who would improve the starting 11 is good business. If we could get some money as well, then great.
I suspect that Amavi will look to leave in the summer, which is ok with me-He didn't jump ship straight away like others and (IMO) is not as good as his hype. One negative would be that if Taylor were to dislodge him, Amavi's sale fee would drop quite considerably.
Perhaps a deal is in the pipeline for Amavi in this window? I know that Xia said otherwise but we all know how quickly things change.
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Championship sides Aston Villa and Derby County are both in the hunt to sign Exeter City striker Ollie Watkins before the January transfer window closes
don't know anything about him maybe Bruce is just trying to make Middlesvilla panic about Rhodes
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I think Taylor coming in on loan to cover Amavi would be best all round. If Amavi does go in the summer, we have a ready made replacement there already.
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I would sooner see a loan swap than a long term one. Van Arnholt and Schlup are younger and much more versatile than Taylor, plus Palace are overpaying badly for both realistically. I wold much sooner get Taylor and Barrow in the deal as we lack pace and strength out wide and Barrow gives us a different option. Would not be shocked to see Liverpool offer big money for Amavi before close of play Tuesday.
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I would sooner see a loan swap than a long term one. Van Arnholt and Schlup are younger and much more versatile than Taylor, plus Palace are overpaying badly for both realistically. I wold much sooner get Taylor and Barrow in the deal as we lack pace and strength out wide and Barrow gives us a different option. Would not be shocked to see Liverpool offer big money for Amavi before close of play Tuesday.
Agree about Schlup. Van Arnholt is a really good player though and has got a goal in him. Maybe a couple of million overpriced though.
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Great going forward but a complete liability defending.
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I would sooner see a loan swap than a long term one. Van Arnholt and Schlup are younger and much more versatile than Taylor, plus Palace are overpaying badly for both realistically. I wold much sooner get Taylor and Barrow in the deal as we lack pace and strength out wide and Barrow gives us a different option. Would not be shocked to see Liverpool offer big money for Amavi before close of play Tuesday.
To get them both (plus Rhodes) would certainly see an almost new team. Some astute business to boot, given that the net outlay would be fairly low.
The only thing that is puzzling me about the entire window is Bjarnason. I cannot for the life of me see where he is penciled in to play, other than on the left or as back up to HL & CH. Either way, we seem to be heavily overloaded in midfield now and at least one of Bacuna, Gardner or Westbrook needs to leave, if not 2 of them. Their chances of playing are going to be very restricted moving forward.
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Van Arnholt is a terrible player but good on highlights, the in-laws reckon he's one of their worst players.
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I would sooner see a loan swap than a long term one. Van Arnholt and Schlup are younger and much more versatile than Taylor, plus Palace are overpaying badly for both realistically. I wold much sooner get Taylor and Barrow in the deal as we lack pace and strength out wide and Barrow gives us a different option. Would not be shocked to see Liverpool offer big money for Amavi before close of play Tuesday.
To get them both (plus Rhodes) would certainly see an almost new team. Some astute business to boot, given that the net outlay would be fairly low.
The only thing that is puzzling me about the entire window is Bjarnason. I cannot for the life of me see where he is penciled in to play, other than on the left or as back up to HL & CH. Either way, we seem to be heavily overloaded in midfield now and at least one of Bacuna, Gardner or Westbrook needs to leave, if not 2 of them. Their chances of playing are going to be very restricted moving forward.
I know, it's brilliant isn't it? There's quite a few who's departure would excite me as much as a new signing, just because it means I'll never have to endure their 'performances' again.
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A straight swap for Neil Taylor would be pretty awful and under value Ayew by a good 5m. I think we got our pants pulled down on the Rhodes/ Gestede deals and can see it happening again here if not careful. Taylor is worth about 4m, Ayew 9 or 10.
I wonder if Swansea are also giving us money, which we will use to go back in for Rhodes. Hence the strange tweets from Dr X.
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Championship sides Aston Villa and Derby County are both in the hunt to sign Exeter City striker Ollie Watkins before the January transfer window closes
don't know anything about him maybe Bruce is just trying to make Middlesvilla panic about Rhodes
got a mate who supports Exeter, and his always banging on how good this kid is, because of my mate I have seen a number of his goals, the kid is a talent for sure, the step up from Exeter to Villa though.
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Championship sides Aston Villa and Derby County are both in the hunt to sign Exeter City striker Ollie Watkins before the January transfer window closes
don't know anything about him maybe Bruce is just trying to make Middlesvilla panic about Rhodes
It may also be a size 9 aimed at the rear of Hepburn Murphy, anyone for Ollie Ollie Ollie
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Championship sides Aston Villa and Derby County are both in the hunt to sign Exeter City striker Ollie Watkins before the January transfer window closes
don't know anything about him maybe Bruce is just trying to make Middlesvilla panic about Rhodes
No no no. There's never been a good 'Ollie' so i hope this doesn't come off.
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I 100% expect his to be Taylor plus cash for Ayew. Even the Dr's tweet suggested as much. Ultimately if they can give us £4-5m plus Taylor, we then use that cash to secure Rhodes, we have a much stronger squad with minimal outlay.
Ayew what's out so no point holding onto him so he can offer very little for he rest of season. Bruce wants to develop a team ethic and unfortunately we can't carry passengers like Ayew on the journey we are on.
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Ayew want's out so no point holding onto him
Do tell ?
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You could argue that Taylor could play LB and Amavi could be pushed further forward.
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We need cover for every position, get money plus Taylor for sulky and its a decent shout. Amavi is a decent player but Taylor is way better at defending.
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Taylor is a fine full-back. He may have lost his way a bit, but so have Swansea. He's a better player than Amavi right now, for me.
An added bonus is that he has played in a very strong defence alongside James Chester, for the Wales team.....Godzvilla!
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We are going to have a really big squad at the moment and an excellent bench for the remaining season . I think our squad is actually better than Newcastle's .
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Taylor's positional play is appalling. He gets caught out far too much, and without Ashley Williams next to him this season it's been highlighted even more. And he's just been replaced by Norwich's left back.
If you watch his performances for Wales and for Swansea, there is a huge difference in standard.
He's not better defensively than Amavi and worse going forward.
I hope I'm wrong, but he will be a massively underwhelming signing for me. Would much rather all cash and we can pick our own left back.
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We are going to have a really big squad at the moment and an excellent bench for the remaining season . I think our squad is actually better than Newcastle's .
Let's not get too carried away, eh...
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The way this window is heading the only position I'll be slightly concerned about is centre half - Baker seems to have started picking up knocks every week again which only really leaves us Chester as a constant then Elphick who has been consistently poor, Richards who is also rarely fit & has always looked a dreadful centre half before we get to Toner & Suliman. Saw Bury want the young lad back on loan if he does sign too.
In the ideal world Richards departs and we get in another left sided centre half so we have Chester/Elphick for right side & Baker/ANOther for left side
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You could argue that Taylor could play LB and Amavi could be pushed further forward.
I doubt it, given the signings we've just made. Amavi won't be here next season-Of that I'm convinced and he will go with my blessing. However, we need cover. It seems likely that a new LB was always going to be joining, given we have no cover for Amavi, save for Baker or Bacuna-Neither of whom should be playing there.
I'd like to have a look at Taylor between now and May, given that it is unlikely that we'll make the play offs. If he does a job then great and if he doesn't impress, he'll be back up, behind a replacement in the summer.
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We are going to have a really big squad at the moment and an excellent bench for the remaining season . I think our squad is actually better than Newcastle's .
Let's not get too carried away, eh...
Since the Newcastle fringe players lost 3-0 to Oxford yesterday, and includes the likes of Good, Hanley, Lazaar, Barlaser and numerous others I've never heard of, I don't think it's an unfair point, on paper at least.
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Championship sides Aston Villa and Derby County are both in the hunt to sign Exeter City striker Ollie Watkins before the January transfer window closes
don't know anything about him maybe Bruce is just trying to make Middlesvilla panic about Rhodes
No no no. There's never been a good 'Ollie' so i hope this doesn't come off.
Mellberg? Or is that a stretch?
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Ayew want's out so no point holding onto him
Do tell ?
Been told that he has made no secret to Villa that if a premiership move was possible then he'd like to talk to the club in question. His agent had actively been speaking to possible suitors for months. Even down to Ayew having a pre Africa. Cup medical so that it would enable him to complete a move this month if one could arise
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Championship sides Aston Villa and Derby County are both in the hunt to sign Exeter City striker Ollie Watkins before the January transfer window closes
don't know anything about him maybe Bruce is just trying to make Middlesvilla panic about Rhodes
No no no. There's never been a good 'Ollie' so i hope this doesn't come off.
True, probably will never be another as the great former Sheffield Wednesday forward and part of the greatest comedic double act ever, Ollie Varadi.
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Ayew want's out so no point holding onto him
Do tell ?
Been told that he has made no secret to Villa that if a premiership move was possible then he'd like to talk to the club in question. His agent had actively been speaking to possible suitors for months. Even down to Ayew having a pre Africa. Cup medical so that it would enable him to complete a move this month if one could arise
Going to Swansea would be madness. This time next season, he'll be in a worse position than he is now, other than if he has China or a similar cushion if and when Swansea go down.
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Ayew want's out so no point holding onto him
Do tell ?
Been told that he has made no secret to Villa that if a premiership move was possible then he'd like to talk to the club in question. His agent had actively been speaking to possible suitors for months. Even down to Ayew having a pre Africa. Cup medical so that it would enable him to complete a move this month if one could arise
Going to Swansea would be madness. This time next season, he'll be in a worse position than he is now, other than if he has China or a similar cushion if and when Swansea go down.
Got a feeling it's mostly money motivated with Ayew. His wages are now half what they were last season so a move back to prem wages will be a factor. I'm also not convinced Swansea will go down. They have done some good business this month and seem to be picking up.
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Three more coming in, four going out, seemingly from the Tony tweets.
Out: Tshibola, Ayew, McGate, Kozak?
In: Taylor, Bedeau and Rhodes?
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Three more coming in, four going out, seemingly from the Tony tweets.
Out: Tshibola, Ayew, McGate, Kozak?
In: Taylor, Bedeau and Rhodes?
I make it possibly 5 out?
The swap deal, then:
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I'd be sorry to see Tshibola go.
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I would rather see Westwood and Jedinak move on and Tshibola stay.
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I would rather see Westwood and Jedinak move on and Tshibola stay.
I don't agree about Jedinak, I think he'll come into his own again with better players in front of him, instead of lumbering about around him.
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another terrible RDM buy at the money we paid/are paying him. I wonder though, if we might tempt the Beast back if Palace go down!
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Far too early to ship Tshibola out even if it's on-loan. We simply have to sign at least one striker before 11.00pm on Tuesday. We have the midfield creativity at last, but must have the strikers to finish any chances!
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Kidnap Hogan after the Brentford game and get the Icelandic fella and Jedinak to sit on him and gag him in the back of the Transit until he signs. Hopefully he'll give-in before midnight.
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I would sooner see the winger come in from Swansea than Taylor or Rhodes. We need pace so badly that he would have more impact i think. Unless Amavi is going to be moved forwards in front of Taylor, which might be effective.
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I would rather see Westwood and Jedinak move on and Tshibola stay.
I don't agree about Jedinak, I think he'll come into his own again with better players in front of him, instead of lumbering about around him.
I don't think he's got the legs to play in a side with as little possession as we seem to have. Especially in the Championship where it's regularly 2 games a week. A better midfield will fix that and he can still be an asset for us.
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I would rather see Westwood and Jedinak move on and Tshibola stay.
Crazy to suggest moving out the Jedi! He has plenty to offer.
Interestingly a Palace-supporting mate bemoans his absence down at SP.
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I would sooner see a loan swap than a long term one. Van Arnholt and Schlup are younger and much more versatile than Taylor, plus Palace are overpaying badly for both realistically. I wold much sooner get Taylor and Barrow in the deal as we lack pace and strength out wide and Barrow gives us a different option. Would not be shocked to see Liverpool offer big money for Amavi before close of play Tuesday.
Agree about Schlup. Van Arnholt is a really good player though and has got a goal in him. Maybe a couple of million overpriced though.
I think both are incredibly mediocre personally and says it all about the declining standards expected of Full backs e.g. no one actually expects them to defend anymore!
Taylor should be more than good enough at this level given time.
I wouldn't be against Amavi in left midfield but begs the question of why would we suddenly start playing him there when we've started signing midfielders.
Wouldn't shock me if Amavi moves last minute this window. Would balance the books which we need to do given the level we now operate in.
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More grist for the rumour mill , good point made about the FFP, something I'd forgotten about with all the ' comings' and fewer ' goings'....Godzvilla!
According to The Telegraph, Steve Bruce has made a bid for Swansea duo Neil Taylor and Modou Barrow in an attempt to strengthen his squad further.
Bruce has already spent around £10 million this January, ...
Ayew has been mentioned as part of a swap deal with Barrow, as Bruce, due to Financial Fair Play, cannot keep signing new players without trimming his squad.
Can anyone make sense of the figures here re FFP?
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
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It's irrelevant for the first couple years post relegation.
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It's irrelevant for the first couple years post relegation.
That's not what the article says.
£83 million loss or £15 million if no equity invested. Maximum loss is assessed in March/April 2017 based on submission relating to two previous seasons plus projection for 2016/17
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It's irrelevant for the first couple years post relegation.
That's not what the article says.
£83 million loss or £15 million if no equity invested. Maximum loss is assessed in March/April 2017 based on submission relating to two previous seasons plus projection for 2016/17
And if we don't? Bournemouth and Middlesbrough went up while completely ignoring FFP and were fined a tiny percentage of the money that they made through promotion.
So we could aim for promotion in a completely pure, Corinthian way (to be fair to them, like Brighton are trying to adhere to), or just do what pretty much everyone else does and fuck the whole thing off.
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Based on the money we've spent suggests we care as much about the Football Leagues FFP as we do about Coventry.
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FFP in FL honestly who cares.
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FFP in FL honestly who cares.
And ever less so since teams who are spending sums akin to a major nations GDP on transfers don't win anything. Leicester winning the league was nuts and an anomaly, but it shows it can be done without spending big.
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FFP in FL honestly who cares.
We should do by right. As should the FA.
The financial advantage relegated sides have over the rest is doping by numbers really and thats without Xia's largesse (debt fuelled I presume?)
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Ayew want's out so no point holding onto him
Do tell ?
Been told that he has made no secret to Villa that if a premiership move was possible then he'd like to talk to the club in question. His agent had actively been speaking to possible suitors for months. Even down to Ayew having a pre Africa. Cup medical so that it would enable him to complete a move this month if one could arise
Not doubting that you've heard that but who would have done the medical? From what I've read - primarily an article by the Secret Footballer - these are a rubber stamping exercise carried out by the buying club, not a test undertaken by an independent body.
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FFP in FL honestly who cares.
We should do by right. As should the FA.
The financial advantage relegated sides have over the rest is doping by numbers really and thats without Xia's largesse (debt fuelled I presume?)
" Doping by numbers"...spot on !........UEFA were all gung ho about FFP , until those paragons of financial virtue, Man Citeh , threatened them with a massive Law Suit because they ( UEFA )had the temerity to challenge Citeh's non compliance , specifically re the ' Home Grown Players' rule . What happened?, UEFA re-wrote the rules to accomodate Abu Dhabi Citeh ........Do we want to be like them ?, I would despise us if we did ..... Godzvilla!
"“So far, about morals, I know only that what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after.”
― Ernest Hemingway,
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I daresay that some bigwig might at some point challenge FFP and the 'transfer window' as restraint of trade. Personally, I think they'd be right.
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I agree FFP is pretty irrelevant for clubs who get promoted as shown at Leicester and Bournemouth.
Those that stay down though do run into issues...pretty sure Forest, Blackburn and Bolton have all had transfer embargos places onto them.
Whether we disregard it or not it's vitally important we go up within 18 months otherwise Dr Tony's bold declarations when he came in get a bit more difficult to implement.
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Maybe so - but bollocks to them. I'll care the season after we've gone back up.
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I'd like to see our net spend figures. It may not be as much as people think. A lot of players sold have raised fairly good money. Gana, Traore, Clark, Okore, Gestede to name a few - £20m plus??
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It's irrelevant for the first couple years post relegation.
That's not what the article says.
£83 million loss or £15 million if no equity invested. Maximum loss is assessed in March/April 2017 based on submission relating to two previous seasons plus projection for 2016/17
And if we don't? Bournemouth and Middlesbrough went up while completely ignoring FFP and were fined a tiny percentage of the money that they made through promotion.
So we could aim for promotion in a completely pure, Corinthian way (to be fair to them, like Brighton are trying to adhere to), or just do what pretty much everyone else does and fuck the whole thing off.
If you read the article there could be severe repercussions. Things have changed this year.
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I think we will sell Amavi for big money at some point which will help with it. And McCormack. The squad is at tinkering point almost, maybe a winger and striker away from that, so the summer will be quite quiet i think.
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I think we will sell Amavi for big money at some point which will help with it. And McCormack. The squad is at tinkering point almost, maybe a winger and striker away from that, so the summer will be quite quiet i think.
I hope so , we cant keep bringing in a plethora of players each window
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If for sake of an argument we got Rhodes and a winger in before the deadline, short of a keeper and maybe a centre half in the summer i think we would be fairly set.
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If for sake of an argument we got Rhodes and a winger in before the deadline, short of a keeper and maybe a centre half in the summer i think we would be fairly set.
I'd like an upgrade on Jedinak and a replacement for Hutton. Another LB maybe if Amavi leaves? Unless we go with the young Bury kid as cover.
One thing is for sure, it will be a tame window compared to th last 2.
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If for sake of an argument we got Rhodes and a winger in before the deadline, short of a keeper and maybe a centre half in the summer i think we would be fairly set.
I don't mind Rhodes. If he comes in fit then he'll score goals with better service. McCormack never looked in shape and the service was terrible for the most part. Just bad all round.
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It looks like it will be between Bree and De Laet for the right back spot so it suggests Hutton will be gone.
There might be one or two changes in the summer. It looks like we have a strategy of signing promising young players so there may also be a few signings that aren't expected to go straight into the first team but may be around the periphery or go out on loan.
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If for sake of an argument we got Rhodes and a winger in before the deadline, short of a keeper and maybe a centre half in the summer i think we would be fairly set.
I'd like an upgrade on Jedinak and a replacement for Hutton. Another LB maybe if Amavi leaves? Unless we go with the young Bury kid as cover.
One thing is for sure, it will be a tame window compared to th last 2.
De Laet would be back by then.
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It looks like it will be between Bree and De Laet for the right back spot so it suggests Hutton will be gone.
There might be one or two changes in the summer. It looks like we have a strategy of signing promising young players so there may also be a few signings that aren't expected to go straight into the first team but may be around the periphery or go out on loan.
Hutton us out of contract in the summer anyway, the lack of any new deal on the horizon definitely means he is off. De Laet can also cover LB which is handy.
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If for sake of an argument we got Rhodes and a winger in before the deadline, short of a keeper and maybe a centre half in the summer i think we would be fairly set.
I don't mind Rhodes. If he comes in fit then he'll score goals with better service. McCormack never looked in shape and the service was terrible for the most part. Just bad all round.
Just read once again, Rhodes' goals per game record at 3 clubs and on that evidence alone you would buy him if possible. But, as with McC, what would you have to do to re-create the conditions that helped him create that record ?
And, the big question is....is that exactly what SB has done with his midfield re-construction?
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Taylor's positional play is appalling. He gets caught out far too much, and without Ashley Williams next to him this season it's been highlighted even more. And he's just been replaced by Norwich's left back.
If you watch his performances for Wales and for Swansea, there is a huge difference in standard.
He's not better defensively than Amavi and worse going forward.
I hope I'm wrong, but he will be a massively underwhelming signing for me. Would much rather all cash and we can pick our own left back.
As someone who follows Welsh football, I would disagree a bit with that. For a few years now he has been playing left wing-back for Wales, which doesn't really suit him and he has had a bit of upheaval at Swansea as well. Play him left back with a decent winger in front of him and he would be a good signing for us.
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Just been checking the sports news on the Beeb red button and there's a story where Mourinhio says that Schweinsteiger is staying at Man Yoo.
That's not at all interesting 'till you get to the bottom of the piece and Mourhinio says the only player that could be leaving before the window closes is Ashley Young.
Could we afford him, do we need him and more to the point would he want to come back?
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No, kinda and almost definitely not.
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So we are selling Ayew. Fine if he wants to go and we can get good money.
But selling Gestede only to replace him and Ayew with Rhodes, who is worse than both Ayew and Gestede make no sense at all. Literally no sense.
So w are left with Slow and ponderous Rhodes. Overweight McCormack +if he stays) and Gabby. Jesus!
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
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But selling Gestede only to replace him and Ayew with Rhodes, who is worse than both Ayew and Gestede make no sense at all. Literally no sense.
Ayew has scored 50 goals in his career in 253 games. (1 every 5.06 games)
Gestede has scored 59 goals in his career in 205 games (1 every 3.47 games)
Rhodes has scored 185 goals in his career in 359 games. (1 every 1.94 games)
I don't see how, as a striker, that makes Rhodes worse than both Ayew and Gestede.
If Bruce is looking for a central focal point for the attack, it makes complete sense to go with a striker who is more likely to score goals. However, he will have to set up the team to play to his strengths.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs. He can't defend, and flatters to deceive going forwards. If we can get upwards of £10m for him then the club would be bonkers not to take it.
I would be quite happy to see any or all of Westwood, Amavi, Ayew, and Tsibola go.
I'd like to see RM and Grealish given a go with the new better midfield players around them though.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs. He can't defend, and flatters to deceive going forwards. If we can get upwards of £10m for him then the club would be bonkers not to take it.
I would be quite happy to see any or all of Westwood, Amavi, Ayew, and Tsibola go.
I'd like to see RM and Grealish given a go with the new better midfield players around them though.
I'd like to see RMc get himself in some kind of physical condition that he deserves to be given a go first.
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If for sake of an argument we got Rhodes and a winger in before the deadline, short of a keeper and maybe a centre half in the summer i think we would be fairly set.
We hardly need a winger surely - Adamoah, Grealish, Bjarnasonn, Green all options out wide as is Ayew if he stays.
I'm presuming we will be playing with a trio of Lansbury, Jedinak and Hourihane in the middle , Kodjia one of the front three leaving space for two others.
Will be very interesting to see what shape Bruce has us set up on Tues but I'm not convinced he will be playing wingers too often especially if Bree and Amavi push on more.
Centre half we look worryingly light and left back. An option to cover those positions would be enough for Jan.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs.
Amavi isn't perfect, but there is no planet on which Neil Taylor (assuming that's who you're talking about and we aren't being linked with David Alaba) is better than him.
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But selling Gestede only to replace him and Ayew with Rhodes, who is worse than both Ayew and Gestede make no sense at all. Literally no sense.
Ayew has scored 50 goals in his career in 253 games. (1 every 5.06 games)
Gestede has scored 59 goals in his career in 205 games (1 every 3.47 games)
Rhodes has scored 185 goals in his career in 359 games. (1 every 1.94 games)
I don't see how, as a striker, that makes Rhodes worse than both Ayew and Gestede.
If Bruce is looking for a central focal point for the attack, it makes complete sense to go with a striker who is more likely to score goals. However, he will have to set up the team to play to his strengths.
The big question about Rhodes has always been why top flight teams have never taken a punt on Rhodes. Teams will always take a chance with goal scorers (the likes of Beckford, Nugent, Esarnshaw etc. all got a move), but not Rhodes and he's not got a look in at Middlesbrough this season. He scores goals, but as we've seen with McCormack that doesn't always tell the whole story.
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But selling Gestede only to replace him and Ayew with Rhodes, who is worse than both Ayew and Gestede make no sense at all. Literally no sense.
Ayew has scored 50 goals in his career in 253 games. (1 every 5.06 games)
Gestede has scored 59 goals in his career in 205 games (1 every 3.47 games)
Rhodes has scored 185 goals in his career in 359 games. (1 every 1.94 games)
I don't see how, as a striker, that makes Rhodes worse than both Ayew and Gestede.
If Bruce is looking for a central focal point for the attack, it makes complete sense to go with a striker who is more likely to score goals. However, he will have to set up the team to play to his strengths.
The big question about Rhodes has always been why top flight teams have never taken a punt on Rhodes. Teams will always take a chance with goal scorers (the likes of Beckford, Nugent, Esarnshaw etc. all got a move), but not Rhodes and he's not got a look in at Middlesbrough this season. He scores goals, but as we've seen with McCormack that doesn't always tell the whole story.
We're not in the top flight. In the Championship, he has always scored goals.
With McCormack, it's clearly down to attitude this season. I trust Bruce and Round to have done a better job in checking character than previous management teams.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs.
Amavi isn't perfect, but there is no planet on which Neil Taylor (assuming that's who you're talking about and we aren't being linked with David Alaba) is better than him.
I think Taylor is decent, but to write Amavi off at this stage as 'not very good' is just nuts. He has so much potential for growth.
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Will be very interesting to see what shape Bruce has us set up on Tues but I'm not convinced he will be playing wingers too often especially if Bree and Amavi push on more.
Fully agree. A team's width comes from the full-backs or the wide-midfielders, hardly ever both. Otherwise they end up making the same runs and ending up in the same space.
We're clearly aiming for Amavi and Bree (or heaven forbid, Hutton) providing the width, so a couple of touchline-hugging wingers would be pointless.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs.
Amavi isn't perfect, but there is no planet on which Neil Taylor (assuming that's who you're talking about and we aren't being linked with David Alaba) is better than him.
He is a better defender than Amavi. Amavi has hardly stood out in the second tier.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs.
Amavi isn't perfect, but there is no planet on which Neil Taylor (assuming that's who you're talking about and we aren't being linked with David Alaba) is better than him.
He is a better defender than Amavi. Amavi has hardly stood out in the second tier.
He must have stood out to someone to be linked with £25 million moves.
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Amavi up until that 25m talk was playing very well. Then that talk came, people expected more on the pitch and his form dived. Still better than Taylor though. I really hope there is decent money coming our way as part of the deal.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs.
Amavi isn't perfect, but there is no planet on which Neil Taylor (assuming that's who you're talking about and we aren't being linked with David Alaba) is better than him.
He is a better defender than Amavi. Amavi has hardly stood out in the second tier.
And Taylor has stood out in about six matches in his entire life, he's just been fortunate that a couple of them were for Wales and on the telly.
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Will be very interesting to see what shape Bruce has us set up on Tues but I'm not convinced he will be playing wingers too often especially if Bree and Amavi push on more.
Fully agree. A team's width comes from the full-backs or the wide-midfielders, hardly ever both. Otherwise they end up making the same runs and ending up in the same space.
We're clearly aiming for Amavi and Bree (or heaven forbid, Hutton) providing the width, so a couple of touchline-hugging wingers would be pointless.
That is probably the only way we are going to three central midfielders and two strikers in the side Dave. Adomah has been pretty much a constant under Bruce though, so I'm not sure we'll go without wingers. I could see Bruce setting us up in a 4-5-1 formation on Tuesday.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs.
Amavi isn't perfect, but there is no planet on which Neil Taylor (assuming that's who you're talking about and we aren't being linked with David Alaba) is better than him.
He is a better defender than Amavi. Amavi has hardly stood out in the second tier.
And Taylor has stood out in about six matches in his entire life, he's just been fortunate that a couple of them were for Wales and on the telly.
Scouting might not your strong point Dave as I think he's had a few more than that!! I had high hopes for Amavi this season and thought that had would really stand out at this level, but he still looks very shaky defensively.
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Can't pretend I know that much about Neil Taylor or that I've followed his career but I do know that Amavi who I've watched plenty of does not know how to defend which is a bit of a problem when you play at left back.
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Bruce has said he wants more pace and width in the side. We have been linked and confirmed interest in Schlup amd Brady so far. I think it's a good bet if we are paying 442 there will be times we go with wide midfielders and full backs.
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But selling Gestede only to replace him and Ayew with Rhodes, who is worse than both Ayew and Gestede make no sense at all. Literally no sense.
Ayew has scored 50 goals in his career in 253 games. (1 every 5.06 games)
Gestede has scored 59 goals in his career in 205 games (1 every 3.47 games)
Rhodes has scored 185 goals in his career in 359 games. (1 every 1.94 games)
I don't see how, as a striker, that makes Rhodes worse than both Ayew and Gestede.
If Bruce is looking for a central focal point for the attack, it makes complete sense to go with a striker who is more likely to score goals. However, he will have to set up the team to play to his strengths.
The big question about Rhodes has always been why top flight teams have never taken a punt on Rhodes. Teams will always take a chance with goal scorers (the likes of Beckford, Nugent, Esarnshaw etc. all got a move), but not Rhodes and he's not got a look in at Middlesbrough this season. He scores goals, but as we've seen with McCormack that doesn't always tell the whole story.
We're not in the top flight. In the Championship, he has always scored goals.
With McCormack, it's clearly down to attitude this season. I trust Bruce and Round to have done a better job in checking character than previous management teams.
As has McCormack though. Whenever I've seen Rhodes over the years, he has looked very limited despite his scoring record and that's maybe why no top flight side has taken a punt on him. For what it's worth, I don't think he is the type of forward we need, as I think we could do with a forward who can hold the ball up and bring the best out of Kodjia.
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But selling Gestede only to replace him and Ayew with Rhodes, who is worse than both Ayew and Gestede make no sense at all. Literally no sense.
Ayew has scored 50 goals in his career in 253 games. (1 every 5.06 games)
Gestede has scored 59 goals in his career in 205 games (1 every 3.47 games)
Rhodes has scored 185 goals in his career in 359 games. (1 every 1.94 games)
I don't see how, as a striker, that makes Rhodes worse than both Ayew and Gestede.
If Bruce is looking for a central focal point for the attack, it makes complete sense to go with a striker who is more likely to score goals. However, he will have to set up the team to play to his strengths.
The big question about Rhodes has always been why top flight teams have never taken a punt on Rhodes. Teams will always take a chance with goal scorers (the likes of Beckford, Nugent, Esarnshaw etc. all got a move), but not Rhodes and he's not got a look in at Middlesbrough this season. He scores goals, but as we've seen with McCormack that doesn't always tell the whole story.
We're not in the top flight. In the Championship, he has always scored goals.
With McCormack, it's clearly down to attitude this season. I trust Bruce and Round to have done a better job in checking character than previous management teams.
As has McCormack though. Whenever I've seen Rhodes over the years, he has looked very limited despite his scoring record and that's maybe why no top flight side has taken a punt on him. For what it's worth, I don't think he is the type of forward we need, as I think we could do with a forward who can hold the ball up and bring the best out of Kodjia.
I know McCormack has as well. Hence my second paragraph.
I think the kind of forward who scores 1 in every 2 games is exactly the type we need. Setting the team up to facilitate bringing the best out of both him and Kodija is up to Bruce if he decides Rhodes is the one he wants. I'm sure he will have thought about this before bidding for him, unlike some of the signings we've made previously.
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But selling Gestede only to replace him and Ayew with Rhodes, who is worse than both Ayew and Gestede make no sense at all. Literally no sense.
Ayew has scored 50 goals in his career in 253 games. (1 every 5.06 games)
Gestede has scored 59 goals in his career in 205 games (1 every 3.47 games)
Rhodes has scored 185 goals in his career in 359 games. (1 every 1.94 games)
I don't see how, as a striker, that makes Rhodes worse than both Ayew and Gestede.
If Bruce is looking for a central focal point for the attack, it makes complete sense to go with a striker who is more likely to score goals. However, he will have to set up the team to play to his strengths.
The big question about Rhodes has always been why top flight teams have never taken a punt on Rhodes. Teams will always take a chance with goal scorers (the likes of Beckford, Nugent, Esarnshaw etc. all got a move), but not Rhodes and he's not got a look in at Middlesbrough this season. He scores goals, but as we've seen with McCormack that doesn't always tell the whole story.
We're not in the top flight. In the Championship, he has always scored goals.
With McCormack, it's clearly down to attitude this season. I trust Bruce and Round to have done a better job in checking character than previous management teams.
As has McCormack though. Whenever I've seen Rhodes over the years, he has looked very limited despite his scoring record and that's maybe why no top flight side has taken a punt on him. For what it's worth, I don't think he is the type of forward we need, as I think we could do with a forward who can hold the ball up and bring the best out of Kodjia.
I know McCormack has as well. Hence my second paragraph.
I think the kind of forward who scores 1 in every 2 games is exactly the type we need. Setting the team up to facilitate bringing the best out of both him and Kodija is up to Bruce if he decides Rhodes is the one he wants. I'm sure he will have thought about this before bidding for him, unlike some of the signings we've made previously.
You would hope so. I think the smartest move might be a loan until the end of the season with an option to buy in the summer. If we do manage to sneak up, we would probably need an upgrade in the summer anyway.
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Reports this morning suggesting Rhodes as more likely and Taylor for Ayew almost done. I think if we can finish the window with those 2 deals over the line the squad would have a much better balance.
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Ayew hasn't worked this season, I think it's hard to fit him in the side. My worry is that if we sign Rhodes then Kodjia will be thrown back out wide.
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If we sign Rhodes, I think he'll play Kodjia alongside him.
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Bruce has said in his conference this morning that one deal is close that has not been mentioned ??
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Anyone guessed who this BB mystery player is yet?
Guessing it's an overseas based player, as no UK players have been suggested.
Also, bit of a tangent, but why is Tshibola going on loan-I thought he did ok at the start of the season?
Sorry ignore this post- bb refers to bjarneson obviously and the Tshibola thread's just been bumped.
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Bruce has said in his conference this morning that one deal is close that has not been mentioned ??
Gradel?
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Bruce has said in his conference this morning that one deal is close that has not been mentioned ??
Gradel?
Could be , there was a rumour that seemed to disappear
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Bruce has said in his conference this morning that one deal is close that has not been mentioned ??
Gradel?
Is only me who keeps getting the Dreidel song stuck in his head whenever that name pops up?
Gradel, Gradel, Gradel, I made you out of clay...
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This Taylor/Amavi debate could rumble on and on, but if one of the attributes we are looking for in a left back is defending, then we can wipe Taylor off the list.
Having been to the Liberty Stadium 4 or 5 times this year and watching him in person, I'd go as far as to say he's probably one of the worst left backs in the league.
All the Swans fans in work are loving the thought of my club removing him from their squad and never having to watch him again.
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I reckon the mystery player is a striker but if we are bringing more than one in, i'm going to take a wild stab at Harry Maguire at Hull, who's out of contract in the summer.
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Again madness to sell Amavi. ....let's just sell anybody any good and be left with the likes of Westwood...
Amavi is not very good though, and we are linked with better left backs.
Amavi isn't perfect, but there is no planet on which Neil Taylor (assuming that's who you're talking about and we aren't being linked with David Alaba) is better than him.
He is a better defender than Amavi. Amavi has hardly stood out in the second tier.
And Taylor has stood out in about six matches in his entire life, he's just been fortunate that a couple of them were for Wales and on the telly.
Scouting might not your strong point Dave as I think he's had a few more than that!!
Maybe you're right and he is the new Paolo Maldini.
But given that Swansea seem to want to flog him to the division below and their fans are delighted by the idea of that, I'll assume that I've not actually missed all his great matches and he just isn't particularly good.
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Swansea forums are delighted with the idea of getting rid of Taylor, almost to a man they think he is shit. Ayew for Taylor sounds a terrible deal to me.
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Swansea forums are delighted with the idea of getting rid of Taylor, almost to a man they think he is shit. Ayew for Taylor sounds a terrible deal to me.
I'm far from comfortable with this one. Leicester fans were the same about De Leat and he looked poor in the few appearances he made for us.
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I reckon the mystery player is a striker but if we are bringing more than one in, i'm going to take a wild stab at Harry Maguire at Hull, who's out of contract in the summer.
My choice for the 'Guess the mystery player' contest is Alex Bruce.
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I reckon the mystery player is a striker but if we are bringing more than one in, i'm going to take a wild stab at Harry Maguire at Hull, who's out of contract in the summer.
He'll get a move to a Premier League club if that's the case.
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If having watched all of the Swans games this season my belief was that Taylor was anything other than a cnut masquerading as a LB then I think I'd have to beat the fuck out of myself with a slab of frozen beef. Forget Jordan Ayew, I'd have swapped Taylor for Jordan, you know Katie fucking Price, as ultimately with either of them on the pitch all I could see is a pair of tits. If he just sat on the bench and avoided acting like a petulant child he'd be an improvement. As said though we are now beginning to look as if we have some legs about us for the final third. After all some people have a glass ceiling that can't be shattered and Taylor's was thirty yards shy of the opponent's goal line.
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I wonder if the Bruce comment about us keeping our gobs shut regarding a potential new signing is a little dig at our owners use of twitter
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SSN confirmed that we're chasing Rhodes in a deal worth in excess of £9m.
Regarding Ayew, surely that won't just be a straight swap without cash or another player coming our way?!
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SSN confirmed that we're chasing Rhodes in a deal worth in excess of £9m.
Regarding Ayew, surely that won't just be a straight swap without cash or another player coming our way?!
It says in the story I read it's Taylor plus a good amount of cash. We were offered Barrow but preferred the cash.
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Fair enough. I can't see a place in the team for Ayew so I'd be happy with that then.
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Bruce has said in his conference this morning that one deal is close that has not been mentioned ??
Gradel?
Is only me who keeps getting the Dreidel song stuck in his head whenever that name pops up?
Gradel, Gradel, Gradel, I made you out of clay...
No my brother and I sing that too when he's on
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I'm pretty sure I started it and you copied me to be cool.
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SSN confirmed that we're chasing Rhodes in a deal worth in excess of £9m.
Regarding Ayew, surely that won't just be a straight swap without cash or another player coming our way?!
It says in the story I read it's Taylor plus a good amount of cash. We were offered Barrow but preferred the cash.
If that's true I wonder if another winger deal is in the pipeline? I hope so, wingers are fun.
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Wonder if Gradel is the mystery target.
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Wonder if Gradel is the mystery target.
was he the guy at Leeds now Bournemouth, is he a winger come striker ??
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Ooooooh it is exciting!
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What are the quotes from Bruce's presser?
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Ooooooh it is exciting!
isnt it ? better than the football . maybe we should be in a sport /industry that just swaps people all year round ??? :D
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the boy from arsenal who never scores is going to Brighton, apparently. Bullet dodged if so.
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I still think we need a centreback, winger and striker. I'm not a big fan of Adomah, he just doesn't get enough decent crosses in.
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I still think we need a centreback, winger and striker. I'm not a big fan of Adomah, he just doesn't get enough decent crosses in.
And a left back.
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I still think we need a centreback, winger and striker. I'm not a big fan of Adomah, he just doesn't get enough decent crosses in.
And a left back.
I think we should turn Amavi into a winger and get a new leftback in.
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I still think we need a centreback, winger and striker. I'm not a big fan of Adomah, he just doesn't get enough decent crosses in.
And a left back.
I think we should turn Amavi into a winger and get a new leftback in.
Indeed.
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I reckon the mystery player is a striker but if we are bringing more than one in, i'm going to take a wild stab at Harry Maguire at Hull, who's out of contract in the summer.
My choice for the 'Guess the mystery player' contest is Alex Bruce.
well he is 33 in the summer, so he'll be looking for the last payday
were normaly good for the final pension player
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What's itk Villa transfers take on this mystery player?
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Gruan is calling the ayew swap plus cash deal all but done
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What's itk Villa transfers take on this mystery player?
"We have movenent today and it's very cloak & dagger, big signing I was told - as always I'm waiting on name - 2 more tomorrow"
Followed by
"Jacob bedeau done tomorrow"
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And then as I was typing: -
"The striker not Jordan Rhodes I'm told, Rhodes would be in addition to"
Hmmmm
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I am getting no work done . good job I am not a pilot or do something critical
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Name I'm throwing into the mix
Moussa Sow
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Sakho from Wham or Ashley Young on loan mebbe.
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Ashley Young? Curtis Davies was my initial thought.
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Sakho from Wham or Ashley Young on loan mebbe.
Great minds.
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Swansea forums are delighted with the idea of getting rid of Taylor, almost to a man they think he is shit. Ayew for Taylor sounds a terrible deal to me.
I'm far from comfortable with this one. Leicester fans were the same about De Leat and he looked poor in the few appearances he made for us.
All about opinion I guess, but I thought he looked solid in the games I saw him play. Losing him was a big blow.
As for Neil Taylor, it looks like it is happening so I'll guess we'll have to wait and see. For what it's worth, I seem to remember similar comments on here about James Chester.
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BBC has Tshibola deal done to Forest
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If having watched all of the Swans games this season my belief was that Taylor was anything other than a cnut masquerading as a LB then I think I'd have to beat the fuck out of myself with a slab of frozen beef. Forget Jordan Ayew, I'd have swapped Taylor for Jordan, you know Katie fucking Price, as ultimately with either of them on the pitch all I could see is a pair of tits. If he just sat on the bench and avoided acting like a petulant child he'd be an improvement. As said though we are now beginning to look as if we have some legs about us for the final third. After all some people have a glass ceiling that can't be shattered and Taylor's was thirty yards shy of the opponent's goal line.
He certainly shattered that glass ceiling against the Russians in Toulouse this summer!!
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Swansea forums are delighted with the idea of getting rid of Taylor, almost to a man they think he is shit. Ayew for Taylor sounds a terrible deal to me.
I'm far from comfortable with this one. Leicester fans were the same about De Leat and he looked poor in the few appearances he made for us.
All about opinion I guess, but I thought he looked solid in the games I saw him play. Losing him was a big blow.
As for Neil Taylor, it looks like it is happening so I'll guess we'll have to wait and see. For what it's worth, I seem to remember similar comments on here about James Chester.
I thought a good deal of Albion fans thought Chester was a very decent player but played out of position because he isn't a giant and Penis likes lumbering huge centre backs. Swansea fans just seem to think Taylor is crap and would take a tin of sardines for him.
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BBC has Tshibola deal done to Forest
At least he's only gone on loan rather than taking a massive loss on him. Hope he plays regularly and shows his potential.
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If we were to sign Taylor would he be the first British Asian to play for Villa?
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To make the first team, I think so.
There was a youth player we had many moons ago who went on to have a reasonable career with Bradford, IIRC.
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Swansea forums are delighted with the idea of getting rid of Taylor, almost to a man they think he is shit. Ayew for Taylor sounds a terrible deal to me.
I'm far from comfortable with this one. Leicester fans were the same about De Leat and he looked poor in the few appearances he made for us.
All about opinion I guess, but I thought he looked solid in the games I saw him play. Losing him was a big blow.
As for Neil Taylor, it looks like it is happening so I'll guess we'll have to wait and see. For what it's worth, I seem to remember similar comments on here about James Chester.
Taylor broke his ankle and apparently he's never been the same since. They really are happy to see the back of him even if he is their third choice left back.
Their winger, Barrow, could also be on his way to Villa Park. Very fast but not a footballer according to their fans.
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Sounds like Agbonlahor from day one and Traore from last year. Another adventure.
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I'd keep Ayew, I'm not really a fan, and can't see why there is hype about him, but without a replacement coming in (which I'm assuming there isn't at the moment) we need all we can get going forward, especially as McCormack and Agbonlahor won't score.
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I genuinely couldn't give two fannies what Swansea fans think of Taylor. If Bruce rates him that's fine by me.
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I genuinely couldn't give two fannies what Swansea fans think of Taylor. If Bruce rates him that's fine by me.
Yeah, what would they know about a player who's played 160 odd matches for them.
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I genuinely couldn't give two fannies what Swansea fans think of Taylor. If Bruce rates him that's fine by me.
I'm sure similar glowing endorsements have been uttered following dodgy deals by O'Leary, O'Neill, Lamberk and some of the other charlatans who have taken the club to the cleaners over the years.
History teaches us that if a deal looks suspect, it generally is. You don't need Eric Black's 30 years in the game to come to that conclusion.
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Bruce has said in his conference this morning that one deal is close that has not been mentioned ??
From ' MOMS'.....re Mystery Man
Judging by the +95% there’s a player currently unaccounted for by the press that is close to joining.
“We’ve got one on the go which is close, which hasn’t been mentioned, so we must be doing something okay,” said Bruce about the possible incoming player.
“It’s the first time we’ve been able to keep our gobs shut for a long time, so I’m delighted about that! That’s made it a bit easier.”
The plot thickens…
.....................Godzvilla!
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why does deadline day have to be on my doing the VAT NOW!! day and Tax returns ....
more fun reading the gossip
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that watford midfielder Guedioura we was 'rumoured ' with going to Hull by the looks
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I genuinely couldn't give two fannies what Swansea fans think of Taylor. If Bruce rates him that's fine by me.
Yeah, what would they know about a player who's played 160 odd matches for them.
If you pu
I genuinely couldn't give two fannies what Swansea fans think of Taylor. If Bruce rates him that's fine by me.
Yeah, what would they know about a player who's played 160 odd matches for them.
I suppose you take it into account but at the time remember that we have fans that want us to sell Grealish.
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Sakho from Wham or Ashley Young on loan mebbe.
Wham? is that a careless whisper
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that watford midfielder Guedioura we was 'rumoured ' with going to Hull by the looks of it.
We've signed two central midfielders and that's great. But if there is any chance of Gardwood sneaking back in the side, we should still be looking. Particularly with Tish away now too.
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Bruce has said in his conference this morning that one deal is close that has not been mentioned ??
From ' MOMS'.....re Mystery Man
Judging by the +95% there’s a player currently unaccounted for by the press that is close to joining.
“We’ve got one on the go which is close, which hasn’t been mentioned, so we must be doing something okay,” said Bruce about the possible incoming player.
“It’s the first time we’ve been able to keep our gobs shut for a long time, so I’m delighted about that! That’s made it a bit easier.”
The plot thickens…
.....................Godzvilla!
to be fair
Thor was a suprise , they kept their gob shut there.
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Rumours of Shane Long on VT via Twitter?
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I wish.
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Rumours of Shane Long on VT via Twitter?
does he score goals ?
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Rumours of Shane Long on VT via Twitter?
Might stop him from scoring against us every fucking time we play against one of his teams
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Rumours of Shane Long on VT via Twitter?
Might stop him from scoring against us every fucking time we play against one of his teams
"Villa missed out on the final Play-Off spot, losing one-nil at home to Brighton as Shane Long scored an own goal in the fifth minute of added time"
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He would be ideal, especially alongside Kodjia. Can't see it though.
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why does deadline day have to be on my doing the VAT NOW!! day and Tax returns ....
more fun reading the gossip
Online deadline for quarterly VAT submissions is the 7th of the month so just get the personal stuff in and then focus on Ayew and co.
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A Championship club came in for Scott Hogan over the weekend apparently. 2+2 = ?
Norwich
Reading
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Neil Taylor + £5m for Ayew apparently.
If that's the case, we've been shafted there.
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Neil Taylor + £5m for Ayew apparently.
If that's the case, we've been shafted there.
What a load of trollocks.
What's bollocks - the deal, or the shafted bit?
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Long would be giving up a cup final and the chance to play for a whole host of other PL clubs, so unlikely.
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Neil Taylor + £5m for Ayew apparently.
If that's the case, we've been shafted there.
What a load of trollocks.
What's bollocks - the deal, or the shafted bit?
The former, sadly.
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So basically £7m ish for Ayew as Taylor is regarded as shite and hasn't had a look in at the Swans this season. Don't like this deal but the rest of the window has been good so can't complain too much. Hopefully we dont slap in a daft £10m bid for Rhodes now though.
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I hope he turns out to be a useful signing. He's playing in claret and blue now and I will judge him on how he performs for the Villa.
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We needed a back-up left back, and I think he'd be competent at Championship level.
I just don't think he was a big enough makeweight for Ayew.
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7m for Ayew given his form is legendary
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I wish we could do a similar deal for McCormack.
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7m for Ayew given his form is legendary
If on some planet Swansea's third choice left back is worth £2m.
And even if he is, £7m for Ayew is peanuts. Why not keep one of our few players capable of turning a game?
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A Championship club came in for Scott Hogan over the weekend apparently. 2+2 = ?
Norwich
Reading
When skimming through the Sky Sports transfer centre thing I noticed the words 'Scott Hogan' and 'Aston Villa' in the same paragraph, which was exciting. Unfortunately they were just highlighting that he is likely to feature against us tomorrow..
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A Championship club came in for Scott Hogan over the weekend apparently. 2+2 = ?
Norwich
Reading
When skimming through the Sky Sports transfer centre thing I noticed the words 'Scott Hogan' and 'Aston Villa' in the same paragraph, which was exciting. Unfortunately they were just highlighting that he is likely to feature against us tomorrow..
He won't feature tomorrow against us surely with move speculation
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Did we pay £7m for Ayew too? Re-couped, like Gueye, just about. Not bad considering we got relegated and bargain fire-sales often accompany such fate.
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Not bothered about Ayew going, has been shit this season. Slightly more concerned about the comments that Taylor is shit too. Oh well, we'll soon see. He was heavily linked to Tottenham a while ago but seems to have dropped off the radar since.
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I hope he turns out to be a useful signing. He's playing in claret and blue now and I will judge him on how he performs for the Villa.
Yes, this is my attitude. He arrives with a clean slate. He is an international player and given that 2 reserve PL full backs have recently moved for around £12 million eaxh, it would be reasonable to assume that Taylor was/is good value and worth a punt at £2-£3 million.
Ayew is not a first choice Villa player so Swansea fans could be forgiven in questioning why they have bought a Championship reserve striker. For me, this would have been a good deal (for Swnsea) in the summer but since then, Ayew has lost his way a little bit, partly because Bruce has taken over and sacrificed him for a more traditional midfielder, in an attempt to balance the side.
I;m not dancing from the rooftops over this one but how long should we have persevered with Ayew? Given the signings this window, his chances of tarting were even more remote. £5 million plus a LB for a reserve striker may not be that bad come this time tomorrow, if we have bought in an upgrade on Ayew,
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An ugly prostitute? ;)
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Can't say i'm too bothered about Ayew but would have been far better to have kept him and got Agbonlahor and McCormack out of the club. Easier said than done.
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Can't say i'm too bothered about Ayew but would have been far better to have kept him and got Agbonlahor and McCormack out of the club. Easier said than done.
Do you mean the doorways are too narrow??
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Can't say i'm too bothered about Ayew but would have been far better to have kept him and got Agbonlahor and McCormack out of the club. Easier said than done.
My preference would have been all 3 gone but as you say easier said than done.
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7m for Ayew given his form is legendary
If on some planet Swansea's third choice left back is worth £2m.
And even if he is, £7m for Ayew is peanuts. Why not keep one of our few players capable of turning a game?
Not a knock at you in any way but when was the last time that Ayew turned a game in our favour?
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Hogan, Long, Hernandez are the names I've seen rumoured on Twitter as this 'mystery signing'. I'd take any of them to be fair, all better than Rhodes.
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Given its so close to the end of the window, I wonder if this is a player who wanted a move to a/another Premiership club and it hasn't happened, therefore we are in for him. Grasping at straws like everyone else! Long, Hogan, Tammy Abrahams?
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Loic Remy's name has popped up on Twitter also. And Captain Caveman's.
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Hogan, Long, Hernandez are the names I've seen rumoured on Twitter as this 'mystery signing'. I'd take any of them to be fair, all better than Rhodes.
Hernandez, fresh from his double-penalty Juan Pablo Angel-pwning at the weekend? Nah, you're alright.
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Loic Remy's name has popped up on Twitter also. And Captain Caveman's.
It won't be Remy, he's already out on loan at Palace.
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Latest rumour I've read on Twitter is Westwood to Burnley - be nice to bag a couple of million for him
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Now it's got us all keyed up, nothing less than Benteke weeping tears of joy on the Holte End will suffice.
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Via readwestham.com......................Godzvilla!
Twitter: On Scott Hogan also told there’s interest from Aston Villa (@JBurtTelegraph)
5:57 PM - 30 Jan 2017
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The mystery player won't be any mentioned on Twitter, or anywhere else.
Bruce has said this player has never been rumoured, so I'm expecting a complete surprise.
Saying that, if you throw enough names about you might get lucky :)
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Now it's got us all keyed up, nothing less than Benteke weeping tears of joy on the Holte End will suffice.
Well we don't need James Milner anymore with all the new signings so it's good to dream...
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Now it's got us all keyed up, nothing less than Benteke weeping tears of joy on the Holte End will suffice.
If I was to have a really wild guess, that would be it.
On loan until the end of the season with option to buy if we go up?
Incidently, his Wikipedia page has him coming to us!!
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Now it's got us all keyed up, nothing less than Benteke weeping tears of joy on the Holte End will suffice.
If I was to have a really wild guess, that would be it.
On loan until the end of the season with option to buy if we go up?
Incidently, his Wikipedia page has him coming to us!!
The only reason Palace would sell is the need the money to re-invest to fight for survival. Loaning him to us would be the worst of both worlds for them.
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Now it's got us all keyed up, nothing less than Benteke weeping tears of joy on the Holte End will suffice.
If I was to have a really wild guess, that would be it.
On loan until the end of the season with option to buy if we go up?
Incidently, his Wikipedia page has him coming to us!!
The only reason Palace would sell is the need the money to re-invest to fight for survival. Loaning him to us would be the worst of both worlds for them.
Yes, very true, didn't think of that :-[
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Neil Taylor + £5m for Ayew apparently.
If that's the case, we've been shafted there.
If true thats a poor bit of business. On the other hand despite all my wishes the facts are Ayew has been a bit of a flop so there is that.
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Loads of people on here seem to think Ayew is poor, we've got about 70-80% of what we paid for him despite relegation. I'm not sure how that's a disaster.
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People seem to be under the impression that Ayew is a £15 million player at least. Personally I don't even think he's worth what we paid for him.
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Why don't they have transfer deadline day today? Seems to make a lot more sense than having it tomorrow when loads of teams are playing.
Still, could advantage us if we unsettle Hogan before our game, I suppose.
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I'd like Shane Long, or Shayne Lung as he was known at the Stripey Filth.
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If the mystery striker doesn't happen, does it make any sense to weaken the forward line by selling Ayew?
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especially if the forward is the 50% Xia quoted.
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I'm not sure that Bruce actually said it was a striker. This mystery player. Probably a centre half!
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If the mystery striker doesn't happen, does it make any sense to weaken the forward line by selling Ayew?
Maybe we're not going to confirm that deal until new striker is also confirmed...
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Ever since we signed Angela Lansbury we have unresolved mysteries.
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removes pipe, reclines back into chesterfield, looks at brian and nods. With menace. Sips from whiskey whilst laughing under breath.
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I see the BM are taking a punt at the 'Mystery Man' being Scott Hogan now...
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My money is on it being Hogan
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What is the latest from Villa transfers on the mystery player? He seems to be the best source for itk..
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I'd like Shane Long, or Shayne Lung as he was known at the Stripey Filth.
That's how I pronounce it, too.
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Jouro on Twitter reckons we have had a bid accepted by Brentford for Hogan and that Burnley are in for Westwood.
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I hope it's Shayne Lung. Love turning the enemy. We signed Dave Walsh from them who chipped in with ten goals from a third of a season. I still think I dreamed that season when our Nos 8, 9 and 10 (Thomson, Walsh, Dixon) scored 53 goals between them.
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The informer on FB sharing a tweet from someone named Dean Jones saying Brentford have accepted our offer for Hogan.
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Bid accepted for hogan! Maybe he's not getting his Prem move....
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No way will westwood end up anywhere in the pl least of all burnley. Dyche wont touch him with a bargepole
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Shane Long would be an excellent addition. But it's looking far more likely it's Hogan we're in for. The Twitter rumour suggests a bid has been accepted but we probably won't get him, so there has to be a back-up option now Ayew has gone. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Bruce suggested this was a surprise and we were linked to Hogan earlier in the season weren't we?
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We were linked at the end of December, but then West Ham started bidding once the window actually opened and it was assumed he'd end up there.
If nothing else, it might nobble Brentford for tomorrow evening.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but Bruce suggested this was a surprise and we were linked to Hogan earlier in the season weren't we?
We were, but I'm guessing Steve Bruce has better things to do than browse threads such as this one, or the more witless branches of social media to remember every player who had been mentioned over the last few months.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but Bruce suggested this was a surprise and we were linked to Hogan earlier in the season weren't we?
We were, but I'm guessing Steve Bruce has better things to do than browse threads such as this one, or the more witless branches of social media to remember every player who had been mentioned over the last few months.
Quite. Fried chicken isn't going to eat itself and electronic gates won't climb themselves.
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did he play against us earlier in the season because the only Brentford player I recall is the little ginger fella who ran the game in the second half.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but Bruce suggested this was a surprise and we were linked to Hogan earlier in the season weren't we?
We were, but I'm guessing Steve Bruce has better things to do than browse threads such as this one, or the more witless branches of social media to remember every player who had been mentioned over the last few months.
Quite. Fried chicken isn't going to eat itself and electronic gates won't climb themselves.
Well, exactly.
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did he play against us earlier in the season because the only Brentford player I recall is the little ginger fella who ran the game in the second half.
Ryan Woods
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Aston Villa have striker bid accepted – reliable journalist ( ALLEGED !)..........Godzvilla!
Dean Jones
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Brentford have accepted offer from Aston Villa for striker Scott Hogan. Doesn't mean they'll get him, player hoped for Premier League move
8:28 PM - 30 Jan 2017
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Oh it would be so nice to piss off the Lady Of Spam
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but Bruce suggested this was a surprise and we were linked to Hogan earlier in the season weren't we?
We were, but I'm guessing Steve Bruce has better things to do than browse threads such as this one, or the more witless branches of social media to remember every player who had been mentioned over the last few months.
Quite. Fried chicken isn't going to eat itself and electronic gates won't climb themselves.
Well, exactly.
Merely an observation.
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Blimey. Talk about a most hectic January window. We talk about signals of intent and if nothing else we have signalled intent. It will be interesting to see it all come together and how Bruce combines everyone strategically. But exciting times. And thank you Doc and team for putting it altogether. Or at least doing their best to.
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My money is on it being Hogan
Hulk and Thor? cool ;)
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Jouro on Twitter reckons we have had a bid accepted by Brentford for Hogan and that Burnley are in for Westwood.
oh my wee time
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Isn't Dean Smith a Villa supporter so he's bound to be putting in a good word as well as making sure we get a discount that's not available to the counterfeiters.
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No way will westwood end up anywhere in the pl least of all burnley. Dyche wont touch him with a bargepole
wanted him before but couldnt afford Pointys wages
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We were linked at the end of December, but then West Ham started bidding once the window actually opened and it was assumed he'd end up there.
If nothing else, it might nobble Brentford for tomorrow evening.
west ham have 25m to spunk though from the sale of payet . Maybe they think they can do better than hogan now with that kind of money?
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No way will westwood end up anywhere in the pl least of all burnley. Dyche wont touch him with a bargepole
wanted him before but couldnt afford Pointys wages
Im sure i read that there was no official enquiry and it was just made up paper talk
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
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bloody hell that's good money.....grab it before they realise,
we will have made a profit of him at last!
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
please let this be true
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bloody hell that's good money.....grab it before they realise,
we will have made a profit of him at last!
No. No, we won't. We'll have lost out.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Wow!
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bloody hell that's good money.....grab it before they realise,
we will have made a profit of him at last!
Makes the Ayew deal just that little bit sweeter to swallow doesn't it?
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bloody hell that's good money.....grab it before they realise,
we will have made a profit of him at last!
No. No, we won't. We'll have lost out.
how much did we pay for him ?
It was about £2 million wasn't it.........for 5 goals
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Westwood going back to the premier league??? Well fuck me!
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I'm not talking about initial financial outlay more to do with where we are now.
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Its good news week, someones dropped a bomb somewhere. :)
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I know everyone hates Westwood but I wish him luck
Not the player I thought he might be at the end of lambert's first season and I have my doubts he can cut it in burnley's 442
But nowhere near as bad as some would say
Having said all that, pretty chuffed at £5m!
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I'm not talking about initial financial outlay more to do with where we are now.
True, we'll never get that back will we
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Oh no, we can't lose Westwood, he's the midfield lynchpin.
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No, i don't hate him. Just think its time to move on.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Well he is established Prem League midfielder so we have done well to hold on to him as long as we have but we know our place and Ash deserves his return to the top.
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A football equivalent of an old fashioned signpost. Irrespective, I wish him well.
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Five. Million. Pounds.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Must be more to this deal than meets the eye.
Maybe they've bought the serpentine car park as well.
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Well we'll, could be good business for both clubs. He needs to move on really. Good luck to him if he does.
What a very hectic window, they have certainly been working hard behind the scenes. I just hope we have a good balance and shape to the squad now after the summers crazy transfer window.
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Daft thing is, and I can't believe I'm saying it, with Tish gone if we lose pointy, it doesn't leave a lot of midfield depth if any of the new lot get injured/don't cut it.......
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Five. Million. Pounds.
It's a bloody dream. Must be. I'm going to wake up and have to do Monday again. 😟
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well this looks like we're clearing out a lot of the street furniture from Villa Park,
the Lamp post has gone and it looks like the road sign will be going too
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Daft thing is, and I can't believe I'm saying it, with Tish gone if we lose pointy, it doesn't leave a lot of midfield depth if any of the new lot get injured/don't cut it.......
You have just said EXACTLY what I was thinking.
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Daft thing is, and I can't believe I'm saying it, with Tish gone if we lose pointy, it doesn't leave a lot of midfield depth if any of the new lot get injured/don't cut it.......
the 3 new signings, Bacuna, Gardner, jedinak Grealish
I'd say 7 is ample & thet's not counting Adomah who operates as a winger in a 4 man midfield.
£5 million for Westy & game time for Tish works for me.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Fuck me pop the fucking champagne!!!!
Edit: quickly checks calendar to make sure it isn't April 1st
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Five. Million. Pounds.
It's a bloody dream. Must be. I'm going to wake up and have to do Monday again. 😟
Five million
Fuck me if its true they must be fucking mad
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Daft thing is, and I can't believe I'm saying it, with Tish gone if we lose pointy, it doesn't leave a lot of midfield depth if any of the new lot get injured/don't cut it.......
I'd guess the pecking order for CM positions is probably
Lansbury
Hourihane
Jedinak
Thor
Grealish
Gardner
Lyden
That's pretty decent. If we play a 2 then gardner's going to find game time restricted with or without injuries
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Lyden coming back to fitness too. Think we have enough in there.
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Hogan was very impressive at Villa Park earlier this season. Very Lively, ran the channels, chased our fullbacks into the corners and also managed to look dangerous. I liked him a lot. Only time I have seen him and I was hoping we might be interested but West Ham seemed to have been nailed on as his destination. Deano is a big Villa fan so I am sure He would rather he came to us.
If I had to have picked three realistic targets that we should have tried to sign it would have been Lansbury, Hourahain and Hogan, so I am pleased anyway but this would make it fantastic.
Of course they then have to actually perform in a Villa Shirt, which is the hard bit.
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Daft thing is, and I can't believe I'm saying it, with Tish gone if we lose pointy, it doesn't leave a lot of midfield depth if any of the new lot get injured/don't cut it.......
I think Gardner, Bacuna and Bjarnason are enough for central midfield options, presuming the starting three is Jedinak/Lansbury/Hourihane, although with Bjarnason, I suppose you're hoping that Grealish and Green play well enough to make the left side their own.
Anyway, great business if true; given that Westwood looked like an OK PL midfielder in his first two seasons, I think it had more to do with him completely and utterly losing his confidence.
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Lyden coming back to fitness too. Think we have enough in there.
I read with interest, Bruce's comments about Thor being similar to Robbie Savage. It could even be a 3, consisting of the 3 new guys, in a 433
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We need an industrious hard working striker for certain, but 13m seems a lot for him. Can't see him coming either.
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Five. Million. Pounds.
It's a bloody dream. Must be. I'm going to wake up and have to do Monday again. 😟
Five million
Fuck me if its true they must be fucking mad
Stop it! In the (admittedly unlikely) scenario that the Burnleh powers that be are scanning fan sites to see how this has gone down with the Villa faithful:
I can say with all sincerity that if Westwood goes, I will keep an eye out for him in future and Burnleh will be my second favourite club.
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Its good news week, someones dropped a bomb somewhere. :)
That line takes me back. Hedgehoppers Anonymous, circa 1965/66
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Five. Million. Pounds.
It's a bloody dream. Must be. I'm going to wake up and have to do Monday again. 😟
Five million
Fuck me if its true they must be fucking mad
Has Weimar Germany style hyper-inflation broken out this afternoon or something?
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Now that makes me hard. The fucker is still going to wear claret and blue though.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
(http://www.swiftfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/zipadeedoodah.png)
Please God. I'll be good.
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If Westwood does get a move I'd like to wish him all the best. He might be limited in ability but he has always been reliable and puts a shift in. He's never been involved in any off field crap like certain others either.
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Hardly ITK but just asked my WHU colleague about the Hogan thing and he reckons the hierarchy want him but that Billic isn't mad keen. Hope so.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Every Villa fan when they read that post
(http://citizenmcgeedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/south-park-randy.jpg)
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Now that makes me hard. The fucker is still going to wear claret and blue though.
Ive got a diamond cutter and have just created another loft hatch
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Daft thing is, and I can't believe I'm saying it, with Tish gone if we lose pointy, it doesn't leave a lot of midfield depth if any of the new lot get injured/don't cut it.......
You have just said EXACTLY what I was thinking.
I can't think of any scenario in the second half of the campaign where I might go, 'we could really do with Westwood now.'
Famine, pestilence, whatever. We'll be grand.
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I know everyone hates Westwood but I wish him luck
Not the player I thought he might be at the end of lambert's first season and I have my doubts he can cut it in burnley's 442
But nowhere near as bad as some would say
Having said all that, pretty chuffed at £5m!
Agree. Bet he is probably a really nice fella so good luck to him. £5m f in quid. Great deal for us
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He's always given his all, so I'll wish him well.
I'll still be delighted to get FIVE MILLION POUNDS though.
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I wish him well as well. Glad he's going but seemed a decent fella, caused us no off the pitch problems and was one of the very few players that looked gutted at Manure when relegation was confirmed.
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this just come on sky sports transfer centre.
Crystal Palace have made an initial inquiry about signing Brentford striker Scott Hogan, according to Sky sources.
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A midfield with Westwood playing alongside Joey Barton, is that what they call yin yang
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Gollini, Tish, gestede, Westwood, Ayew, and possibly McCormack - that's some bloody clear out in a single transfer window, and the January one at that !!!
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I wish him well as well. Glad he's going but seemed a decent fella, caused us no off the pitch problems and was one of the very few players that looked gutted at Manure when relegation was confirmed.
Me too. Selling him for that price having bagged the three we have feels like taking the break up call from the girlfriend you've had enough of whilst sitting in a jacuzzi with a bevy of naked page 3 stunnas.
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this just come on sky sports transfer centre.
Crystal Palace have made an initial inquiry about signing Brentford striker Scott Hogan, according to Sky sources.
Hmmmm... it's all falling into place nicely.
http://tinyurl.com/z7yq8n4
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Replacing the Hulk with captain Marvel would be even better!!
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I know everyone hates Westwood but I wish him luck
Not the player I thought he might be at the end of lambert's first season and I have my doubts he can cut it in burnley's 442
But nowhere near as bad as some would say
Having said all that, pretty chuffed at £5m!
Agree. Bet he is probably a really nice fella so good luck to him. £5m f in quid. Great deal for us
I agree.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Every Villa fan when they read that post
(http://citizenmcgeedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/south-park-randy.jpg)
If we got rid of Gabby and re-signed Benteke then yes!
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our prayers are being answered,
from sky sports.
Ashley Westwood looks set to join Burnley after Aston Villa accepted a loan bid, according to the Birmingham Mail.
The deal would be a loan move with a view to a permanent move in the summer.
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this just come on sky sports transfer centre.
Crystal Palace have made an initial inquiry about signing Brentford striker Scott Hogan, according to Sky sources.
Hmmmm... it's all falling into place nicely.
http://tinyurl.com/z7yq8n4
Oh Jesus, that would be just the best thing ever. I'm sorry if others disagree but I love him still.
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£13m for Hogan but Ayew only worth £5m +Taylor? Pretty skewed, why can't we do the screwing for once?
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Me too.
It's not gonna happen though really.
Well, probably not.
You never know though...
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£13m for Hogan but Ayew only worth £5m +Taylor? Pretty skewed, why can't we do the screwing for once?
Caught up on the Westwood posts?
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our prayers are being answered,
from sky sports.
Ashley Westwood looks set to join Burnley after Aston Villa accepted a loan bid, according to the Birmingham Mail.
The deal would be a loan move with a view to a permanent move in the summer.
I have to come back to this thread! Good luck to Westy but i do wonder where he'll fit in Burnley midfield. Not our concern apart from how much match time woll he have to seal a permanent switch up
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On that SSN transfer centre, they're reporting that The Evil are saying the Westwood deal is a loan. I hope not.
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£13m for Hogan but Ayew only worth £5m +Taylor? Pretty skewed, why can't we do the screwing for once?
I think it might have something to do with the goals scored by Hogan, compared to goals scored by Ayew.
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our prayers are being answered,
from sky sports.
Ashley Westwood looks set to join Burnley after Aston Villa accepted a loan bid, according to the Birmingham Mail.
The deal would be a loan move with a view to a permanent move in the summer.
NOOOOOOOO they'll discover his true worth is not anywhere near 5mil
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On that SSN transfer centre, they're reporting that The Evil are saying the Westwood deal is a loan. I hope not.
Noooo!
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This fantastic news.Pointless Pointy shall point no more for us. Goodluck Burnley. Unbelievebly average player for us.
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John Percy tweeting that Pointy is having a medical at Burnley. Fee £5 million
Every Villa fan when they read that post
(http://citizenmcgeedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/south-park-randy.jpg)
If we got rid of Gabby and re-signed Benteke then yes!
Shirley signing Bukake would be more apt?
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our prayers are being answered,
from sky sports.
Ashley Westwood looks set to join Burnley after Aston Villa accepted a loan bid, according to the Birmingham Mail.
The deal would be a loan move with a view to a permanent move in the summer.
NOOOOOOOO they'll discover his true worth is not anywhere near 5mil
bought as seen please
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Shhhh!
He's a top player. Hopefully it'll only be a loan so we can have him back.
If I was Burnley I'd snap him up on a permanent deal before anyone else does. Stick another couple of million on the rumoured £5 million to be on the safe side.
Did it work?
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I wish nothing but good luck to Pointy. Worked hard, seems a decent bloke, just a shame that he was an average player at best.
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Westwood and Lowton playing together in the Premier League. Good lord.
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Ah poop! Just read that it's a loan. C'mon Burnley, make it a permanent move....he's brilliant........
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The BM now suggesting that Brentford haven't accepted the Villa bid for Hogan (believed to be ITRO £9M). :o
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With Curtis Davies out injured for several weeks, I think that's the end of any chance that Bruce Jr. is joining
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and people on here were saying Dyche would be a good manager for us
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A Loan...He'll be back in B6 for the ice cream season!
No way he'll fit into the solid 442 that Dyche prefers.
I actually think we're in a Brucey game of poker with our potential forward options.
All of them appear to be either on top dollar(Rhodes),very expensive for their present contract(Hogan) and I think there's someone else we've courted,and would prefer but he's top dollar in every manner.Afobe?
I wonder if we'll put down a take it or leave it,maybe splashing big on our Number 1 but with the proviso that we work down our options to Rhodes and Hogan,both of whom, if I was the parent club,would be anxious to move on.
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Joey Barton will kill him in training.
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The BM now suggesting that Brentford haven't accepted the Villa bid for Hogan (believed to be ITRO £9M). :o
I thought that Hogan bidding started at around £15m
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Westwood might do o.k up there, less pressure and all that. Lowton is playing week in week out anyway and looking comfortable for Burnley.
I thought Westwood was o.k for his first couple of seasons and unfairly given stick but he needs a mobile player alongside him to cover his weaknesses.
As soon as D*lph left then that showed up Westwood at prem level and he hasn't looked much better in the championship so time to move on and 5m is a decent profit at least.
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On that SSN transfer centre, they're reporting that The Evil are saying the Westwood deal is a loan. I hope not.
Loan will do us no favours
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With close to 150 games for us I for one will miss Westwood (though we are sadly better off without him)
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On that SSN transfer centre, they're reporting that The Evil are saying the Westwood deal is a loan. I hope not.
Loan will do us no favours
It could be worse. He could stay
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The BM now suggesting that Brentford haven't accepted the Villa bid for Hogan (believed to be ITRO £9M). :o
I thought that Hogan bidding started at around £15m
Aye, and me. Perhaps with Wet Sham's waning interest, Hogan's price has come down 6 million quid?
*Clutches at another non-existent straw*
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On that SSN transfer centre, they're reporting that The Evil are saying the Westwood deal is a loan. I hope not.
Loan will do us no favours
It could be worse. He could stay
True
at least we wont have to hear his name read out
At least until he comes back
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On that SSN transfer centre, they're reporting that The Evil are saying the Westwood deal is a loan. I hope not.
Loan will do us no favours
It gets a player off the wage bill which in turn might go towards bringing in someome who is on decent money. That's one way of looking at it.
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So, where are we all hanging out in Brentford after the game tomorrow in order to watch the end of the transfer window?
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Someone shove Hogan onto the Team Coach back to Brum, no one will notice.
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So, where are we all hanging out in Brentford after the game tomorrow in order to watch the end of the transfer window?
Scott Hogans Mrs is putting a spread on......
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I would imagine that any bid for Hogan would include a lot of performance / success related add-ons. Probably £9m with a couple more million if we get promoted, he scored 10+ goals this season, etc.
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I imagine we'll have to overpay to get him, otherwise West Ham will sign him.
Then the porn barons will be in the media talking about the Villa again.
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I know I'm in a minority but I think Westwood is a decent player whose confidence was coached out of him by successive management regimes and being played in the wrong position. If it us a loan we may find ouselves with a far better, more confident player when he returns.
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RMC for Hogan swap please .. if carlsberg did transfers
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So, where are we all hanging out in Brentford after the game tomorrow in order to watch the end of the transfer window?
I was there earlier in the year, one of the four corner pubs is closed, can't remember the name. It's the one on the right as you look towards the away end.
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£13m for Hogan but Ayew only worth £5m +Taylor? Pretty skewed, why can't we do the screwing for once?
Caught up on the Westwood posts?
Or how much we fleeced Liverpool for when we turfed Downing.
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Westwood is going?!
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
Fuck off you unless, paceless, weak, none tackling, none scoring, convictionless little shithouse.
You epitomise our decline and you've stolen a living for four fucking years and played 150 games; one through ball at Norwich and one goal at the Hawthorns, your sum return. Beyond abysmal. Don't darken our club again.
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I know I'm in a minority but I think Westwood is a decent player whose confidence was coached out of him by successive management regimes and being played in the wrong position. If it us a loan we may find ouselves with a far better, more confident player when he returns.
The only time I want to see him in claret and blue is when he's pointing to the Villa players running past him as we smash Burnley 4-0 next season.
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and people on here were saying Dyche would be a good manager for us
ha ha, yes I was one of them
it does make you wonder
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Dyche has done a brilliant job at Burnley to be fair, would'nt suprise me if he gets the best out of Westwood.. We are a completely different challenge though.
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and people on here were saying Dyche would be a good manager for us
ha ha, yes I was one of them
it does make you wonder
He is not doing to bad on the whole though is he.
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I know I'm in a minority but I think Westwood is a decent player whose confidence was coached out of him by successive management regimes and being played in the wrong position. If it us a loan we may find ouselves with a far better, more confident player when he returns.
The only time I want to see him in claret and blue is when he's pointing to the Villa players running past him as we smash Burnley 4-0 next season.
Told you I was in a minority. Probably of one.
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Five Million Pounds!!!!
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He's fucking rubbish.
I do my best to look on the positive side of anything in life, but he's fucking atrocious.
He cannot score a goal
He cannot create one
He cannot change the play up with a dynamic ball
He cannot change the play by driving the game on
He has no pace
He is terrible in the air
He is weak in the tackle
He is weak in possession
And worst of all he has aged me with his complete lack of positional sense. They're running off you Westwood you useless little c***! Stop fucking pointing.
I'll never have to say that again.
Thank you Dyche, you utter balloon!
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Two things I'm happiest about never having to see again from Westwood:
1) sideways and backward passing
2) This one winds me up the most. Him flapping his legs off the ground to look like he is actually attempting to win the ball when in a 50/50.
Thank you Sean Dyche, you will forever hold a special place in my heart
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I'm not convinced that we are in for Hogan. Think it may be a smokescreen
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and people on here were saying Dyche would be a good manager for us
ha ha, yes I was one of them
it does make you wonder
Who's to say we won't get good form out of Westwood like he has with Lowton?
Fresh challenge, less demanding environment and all that.
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I've always imagines that Westwood is one of those players who trains well. Ticks all the boxes in terms of fitness, speed, etc, and is very rarely injured so always in the squad and around the starting XI. Then, almost by default (players moving-on, getting injured, etc) he find himself in the team and never plays so glaringly badly that he's never dropped.
With the state we've been in overt he past few years, there's always been either a slightly more rotten apple in the bowl, or several better looking apples, and so- until now - replacing him has never been a priority.
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He's fucking rubbish.
I do my best to look on the positive side of anything in life, but he's fucking atrocious.
He cannot score a goal
He cannot create one
He cannot change the play up with a dynamic ball
He cannot change the play by driving the game on
He has no pace
He is terrible in the air
He is weak in the tackle
He is weak in possession
And worst of all he has aged me with his complete lack of positional sense. They're running off you Westwood you useless little c***! Stop fucking pointing.
I'll never have to say that again.
Thank you Dyce, you utter balloon!
I take it he won't be on your Crimbo card list this year? At least that'll be one less stamp to fork out for. Innit.
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Two things I'm happiest about never having to see again from Westwood:
1) sideways and backward passing
2) This one winds me up the most. Him flapping his legs off the ground to look like he is actually attempting to win the ball when in a 50/50.
Thank you Sean Dyche, you will forever hold a special place in my heart
The floaty corners. Don't forget the floaty corners.
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I know everyone hates Westwood but I wish him luck
Not the player I thought he might be at the end of lambert's first season and I have my doubts he can cut it in burnley's 442
But nowhere near as bad as some would say
Having said all that, pretty chuffed at £5m!
Agree. Bet he is probably a really nice fella so good luck to him. £5m f in quid. Great deal for us
I agree.
He's good mates with Albrighton and gets on well with Lawton all 3 are decent off the pitch
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Two things I'm happiest about never having to see again from Westwood:
1) sideways and backward passing
2) This one winds me up the most. Him flapping his legs off the ground to look like he is actually attempting to win the ball when in a 50/50.
Thank you Sean Dyche, you will forever hold a special place in my heart
The floaty corners. Don't forget the floaty corners.
Well there's floaty corners; and there's FLOATY corners. He's certainly the very best in the business, yes Sir.
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This is as good as a new signing.
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He's fucking rubbish.
I do my best to look on the positive side of anything in life, but he's fucking atrocious.
He cannot score a goal
He cannot create one
He cannot change the play up with a dynamic ball
He cannot change the play by driving the game on
He has no pace
He is terrible in the air
He is weak in the tackle
He is weak in possession
And worst of all he has aged me with his complete lack of positional sense. They're running off you Westwood you useless little c***! Stop fucking pointing.
I'll never have to say that again.
Thank you Dyche, you utter balloon!
Don't forget his floated corner delivery! I had till I read this!
That was one of worst maybe his lack of brutish play too!
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and people on here were saying Dyche would be a good manager for us
ha ha, yes I was one of them
it does make you wonder
Who's to say we won't get good form out of Westwood like he has with Lowton?
Fresh challenge, less demanding environment and all that.
5 goals 11 assist in 4 1/2 seasons , he cant do any worse.
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He's fucking rubbish.
I do my best to look on the positive side of anything in life, but he's fucking atrocious.
He cannot score a goal
He cannot create one
He cannot change the play up with a dynamic ball
He cannot change the play by driving the game on
He has no pace
He is terrible in the air
He is weak in the tackle
He is weak in possession
And worst of all he has aged me with his complete lack of positional sense. They're running off you Westwood you useless little c***! Stop fucking pointing.
I'll never have to say that again.
Thank you Dyche, you utter balloon!
Don't forget his floated corner delivery! I had till I read this!
That was one of worst maybe his lack of brutish play too!
Good shout there , footy. I'd forgotten about that. He was a veritable Floaty McFloatface when it came to (floaty) corners. We'll be missing them now, that's fo' sho.
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Are we paying Burnley the £5m up front or in instalments? Good riddance Westwood, the modern day Bernie Gallagher (nice and tries hard but not very good).
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To be fair, we haven't exactly been smashing them in from corners even since he got taken off corner duty.
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and people on here were saying Dyche would be a good manager for us
ha ha, yes I was one of them
it does make you wonder
Who's to say we won't get good form out of Westwood like he has with Lowton?
Fresh challenge, less demanding environment and all that.
5 goals 11 assist in 4 1/2 seasons , he cant do any worse.
And half those assists came in his first season.
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Another name to throw into the mix, must admit I'd hardly heard of this guy until now, but he does sound a bit more plausible than Hogan.......but hey , these are curious times, perhaps we'll sign both?! ........Godzvilla!.
Aston Villa in five-horse race to land PL winger – Sky journalist
30th January, 2017, 9:55 PM
By Harvey Byrne
Aston Villa are in a five-horse race to land Crystal Palace winger Lee Chung-Yong, according to a reliable journalist.
The right-winger has played in 19 fixtures for Sam Allardyces team in all competitions this campaign.
However, Sky Sports reporter Kaveh Solhekol claimed on his personal Twitter account that the South Korean can leave before Tuesday’s transfer deadline with Villa one of his suitors.
Aston Villa have been named alongside fellow second tier sides Fulham and Brighton, while it is said that Premier League Burnely and Swansea are also possibilities.
Lee can provide versatility to any potential buyers due to his ability to play on the right, left and in the centre.
He is also very experienced in Championship football with 109 appearances to his name, bringing a return of 10 goals and 18 assists.[/i]
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Ooh. I like wingers and being able to colour in new countries on the Villa Map of the World that exists in my head.
I should just buy a real one.
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This is as good as a new signing.
Why is it? Really why is losing a squad player as good as a signing?
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He's fucking rubbish.
I do my best to look on the positive side of anything in life, but he's fucking atrocious.
He cannot score a goal
He cannot create one
He cannot change the play up with a dynamic ball
He cannot change the play by driving the game on
He has no pace
He is terrible in the air
He is weak in the tackle
He is weak in possession
And worst of all he has aged me with his complete lack of positional sense. They're running off you Westwood you useless little c***! Stop fucking pointing.
I'll never have to say that again.
Thank you Dyche, you utter balloon!
Stop sitting on the fence. Do you like him or not?
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This is as good as a new signing.
Why is it? Really why is losing a squad player as good as a signing?
I don't know mate. Maybe because given the ammount of game time he recieved he has contributed the square root of fuck all over the last few seasons.
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I just wish we were getting shot of Gabby, fee or no fee. I'd be a lot more happy than Westwood going.
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This is as good as a new signing.
Why is it? Really why is losing a squad player as good as a signing?
I don't know mate. Maybe because given the ammount of game time he recieved he has contributed the square root of fuck all over the last few seasons.
So getting rid of a fringe player is better than signing, say, Lansbury? Or a striker? Or a right back?
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This is as good as a new signing.
Why is it? Really why is losing a squad player as good as a signing?
I don't know mate. Maybe because given the ammount of game time he recieved he has contributed the square root of fuck all over the last few seasons.
So getting rid of a fringe player is better than signing, say, Lansbury? Or a striker? Or a right back?
I think it's hyperbole, for effect. I do it a million times a day.
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Hogan is going to West Ham. How we were not pinning much hope on that one.
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Have West Ham got any decent forwards we might go for? I don't really bother watching much of the tainted "Premier" League?
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It was never going to be Hogan as Bruce said the deal was 'really close'. Just people on Twitter grasping at straws. Would have been nice though. Unless we get Long, or Jay Rodriguez? (Loan?).
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Another name to throw into the mix, must admit I'd hardly heard of this guy until now, but he does sound a bit more plausible than Hogan.......but hey , these are curious times, perhaps we'll sign both?! ........Godzvilla!.
Aston Villa in five-horse race to land PL winger – Sky journalist
30th January, 2017, 9:55 PM
By Harvey Byrne
Aston Villa are in a five-horse race to land Crystal Palace winger Lee Chung-Yong, according to a reliable journalist.
The right-winger has played in 19 fixtures for Sam Allardyces team in all competitions this campaign.
However, Sky Sports reporter Kaveh Solhekol claimed on his personal Twitter account that the South Korean can leave before Tuesday’s transfer deadline with Villa one of his suitors.
Aston Villa have been named alongside fellow second tier sides Fulham and Brighton, while it is said that Premier League Burnely and Swansea are also possibilities.
Lee can provide versatility to any potential buyers due to his ability to play on the right, left and in the centre.
He is also very experienced in Championship football with 109 appearances to his name, bringing a return of 10 goals and 18 assists.[/i]
Aston Villa are one of five possible destinations for Crystal Palace's South Korean winger Lee
He's decent ball player and has skillz. Had a good work ethic but more attacking than defensive useful squad and competition. Was brilliant at Bolton got injured lost his way. After losing ayew would nt be averse to signing this guy
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It was never going to be Hogan as Bruce said the deal was 'really close'. Just people on Twitter grasping at straws. Would have been nice though. Unless we get Long, or Jay Rodriguez? (Loan?).
Well well, breaking news, Hogan NOT going to West Ham, Sky Sports.
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
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Have West Ham got any decent forwards we might go for? I don't really bother watching much of the tainted "Premier" League?
Yes Ashley Fletcher loan option .
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
Probably something in French, the crazy fool.
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
He should be thinking 'had I actually managed to pick up a win or two in my first 9/10 games I might have been allowed to play this transfer game'
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I see the club have had a grand total of ZERO suitors for McCormack thus far. We can but hope there's gonna be somebody desperate enough to grab a bloated bit o' 'bargain' tat before the window slams firmly shut...
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
I wish I was better
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
I wish I was better
How did I manage to get that much money for winning just 2 games in 20?
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
Probably something in French, the crazy fool.
C'est La vie!
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Did like this quote courtesy of Villa Report on Twitter via the Daily Hate:
Bruce: "Could I attract Bjarnason to the Championship? Luckily the big thing I've got up my sleeve is, we're Aston Villa" [daily mail] #avfc
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Really hope Bruce brings in a new striker today to replace Ayew. If not, forget challenging for the play-offs. We have no strength in depth up front. What happens if Kodjia or Gabby are injured? I'm disappointed with the way strikers are sold without replacements.
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Villa now favourites to sign Hogan, according to 'Sky sources.'
Probably just that twat with all the phones regurgitating what he's read on twitter.
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A striker is a must today agreed villa first. We pretty much have Kodjia and that's it now. The Gabby side show doesn't count, he can't score and never looks like doing so. Even when he bulldozed the ball towards the goal last week Adomah had to make sure.
We could do with a couple of forwards still. Winger come striker and out and out striker.
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
Probably something in French, the crazy fool.
C'est La vie!
mangetout Rodney
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It's going to be an interesting day at Villa Park. It's nice to reach the last day of the transfer window safe in the knowledge that we are out there trying to do business to strengthen areas of the team that require attention.
Previous last days have been a bit of a damp squib. Yes of course it can all go pear shaped but I really like the way that Round and Bruce have gone about things in this window.
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I wonder if Ulloa will be available on loan given his fallout with Raineri, and how they apparently don't want him to go to a PL club. He's nothing amazing, obviously, but he's the hardworking, robust type who would help Kodjia out by creating space for him while actually having a good goalscoring record in this division himself, and with a loan, you're not committing too much without seeing how the McCormack and RHM situations will work out in the coming months.
I suppose I'd take him on a permanent as well, but at the age of 30, anything over 3-4 million would be too much in my eyes.
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It's going to be an interesting day at Villa Park. It's nice to reach the last day of the transfer window safe in the knowledge that we are out there trying to do business to strengthen areas of the team that require attention.
Previous last days have been a bit of a damp squib. Yes of course it can all go pear shaped but I really like the way that Round and Bruce have gone about things in this window.
For me, all the good work done in this window will be undone if Ayew goes and we're left with Kodjia and Gabby as the only strikers. Pay the money and get Hogan as he could be the difference.
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I see the club have had a grand total of ZERO suitors for McCormack thus far. We can but hope there's gonna be somebody desperate enough to grab a bloated bit o' 'bargain' tat before the window slams firmly shut...
At 40k a week we have no chance
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Or build bridges and get McCormack firing. With our midfield now significantly stronger, he could be as prolific as Rhodes or Hogan. Although Brentford may take McCormack on loan as part of the Hogan deal.
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and people on here were saying Dyche would be a good manager for us
ha ha, yes I was one of them
it does make you wonder
Who's to say we won't get good form out of Westwood like he has with Lowton?
Fresh challenge, less demanding environment and all that.
5 goals 11 assist in 4 1/2 seasons , he cant do any worse.
And half those assists came in his first season.
Has Westwood definitely gone? It will be hard to tell if he's still here or not. He has to be the most invisible player I've ever seen at the Villa! 😂
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Sky Sports News: "Aston Villa favourites to sign Scott Hogan after Wet Spam end interest"
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Did like this quote courtesy of Villa Report on Twitter via the Daily Hate:
Bruce: "Could I attract Bjarnason to the Championship? Luckily the big thing I've got up my sleeve is, we're Aston Villa" [daily mail] #avfc
I fucking love that quote!
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If people think that Westwood is one of the worst players they have seen down Villa Park, then I have seen a lot worse than him and a few a still conning a living out of our club.... Gabby / Richards to name but a few.
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We've had plenty of worse players than Westwood. The difference is, most of them play a handful of times before the manager sees them for their uselessness and they get disposed of (not in a Mafia sense).
Westwood is the epitome of mediocrity and yet must have played about five hundred games for us. Truly an indication of our pathetic midfield for the last half a decade.
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Gabby and Richards are disgusting examples of footballers taking the piss, but at least at one time they offered something as footballers. While his general attitude (not missing training, always willing to run around and point a lot) can't be questioned, Westwood has been totally anonymous from day one, and was only lucky enough to pull on a Villa shirt because of Lerner and Lambert's conspiracy of shitness.
He's been a mainstay of some of the worst Villa teams in living memory, yet has never truly stood up and taken responsibility for that failure, always preferring to go through the motions instead of taking control and imposing himself on the pitch.
Ads listed his lack of abilities very succinctly above. They're comprehensive. If any of us failed so consistently at so many aspects at work, most of us would put a hand up and say, do you know what, I can't do this job. Westwood's been here for half a decade.
Westwood is a zero of a personality and player. A poster boy for can't-be-arsed-Villa. A whole bag o' zilch (although his bank statement would say otherwise). And if Burnley are actually willing to pay us for him, then we're genuinely getting something for nothing.
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Sky Sports News: "Aston Villa favourites to sign Scott Hogan after Wet Spam end interest"
Don't clubs 'end their interest' when they know they have no chance of getting the player ?
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A striker is a must today agreed villa first. We pretty much have Kodjia and that's it now. The Gabby side show doesn't count, he can't score and never looks like doing so. Even when he bulldozed the ball towards the goal last week Adomah had to make sure.
We could do with a couple of forwards still. Winger come striker and out and out striker.
Too many midfielders now. Could also do with a centre back. Unbalanced transfer strategy you say? ;-)
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I just cannot understand the level of venom towards Westwood. He was never going to be a tub thumping Roy Keane type player, so criticising him for not single handedly dragging the shittest team in recent memory up by the short and curlies is a bit unfair. And despite his limitations, 5 managers (6 if you include Black) have picked him fairly consistently so must have thought he added something to the team. (You will say they are all shit managers, but I suspect most are somewhat more experienced in football than most of us). To add to that, Sean Dyche, one of the bright young managers widely considered to be doing a great job at Burnley, thinks he can add something to their squad.
I know his limitations, but the hate towards him far outweighs those and to think of the utter shit that has come on gone whilst he has been at the club the level of ire towards a hard working lad who has kept his head down and got on with his job as best as he could during very, very difficult times is frankly staggering.
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Sky Sports News: "Aston Villa favourites to sign Scott Hogan after Wet Spam end interest"
Similar article online but it also adds that Hogan has said that he only wants to move to a Premier League club
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Wigan's Yanic Wildschut has submitted a transfer request and is on Derby's radar. Bruce is a known admirer. Wildschut is very quick and not a bad finisher. Worth a bid?
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
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Just logged on, another mental day of transfers and speculation. What must Remi Garde be thinking?
I wish I was better
How did I manage to get that much money for winning just 2 games in 20?
Remi was royally shafted, no vaseline, talk about stitched up?! And with the crock of crap we had and those inept lunatics in charge, looking back 2 wins was arguably quite an achievement. ;-)
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Sky Sports News: "Aston Villa favourites to sign Scott Hogan after Wet Spam end interest"
Similar article online but it also adds that Hogan has said that he only wants to move to a Premier League club
I just don't get a good feeling about the Hogan thing. I think we are being used to get him a premier league move.
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If people think that Westwood is one of the worst players they have seen down Villa Park, then I have seen a lot worse than him and a few a still conning a living out of our club.... Gabby / Richards to name but a few.
I feel that Gabby is putting a shift in for us, both on the pitch and in training. Bruce is nobodies fool and would not suffer anyone taking the P, lightly.
He may well be nowhere near good enough but it may possibly be wrong to suggest that he's conning a living.
I honestly feel that Richards is finished as a footballer at this level. He is way too big and cannot last more than 45 minutes (if you're lucky). To compensate this, he looks to play in roles that don't require much running. Unfortunately, he is not very good in those roles.
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
I fully concur
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Sky Sports News: "Aston Villa favourites to sign Scott Hogan after Wet Spam end interest"
Similar article online but it also adds that Hogan has said that he only wants to move to a Premier League club
We'll see. I can't see Palace being interested. West Brom, maybe and Sunderland, who don't look like they'll be PL for long.
It all fits in with what Bruce has been saying, ie the Rhodes thing was dead and we were in for someone who hadn't been mentioned. There was also the "big name" comment.
The good thing is that we won't have to wait long to find out.
Worst case scenario, it could mean Rhodes.
I just don't get a good feeling about the Hogan thing. I think we are being used to get him a premier league move.
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
I fully concur
Me too!
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Sky Sports News: "Aston Villa favourites to sign Scott Hogan after Wet Spam end interest"
Similar article online but it also adds that Hogan has said that he only wants to move to a Premier League club
I just don't get a good feeling about the Hogan thing. I think we are being used to get him a premier league move.
Plot to get Rhodes, I think
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So, today, Bedeau, Taylor and a forward. Anything else likely? A winger?
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Ive had a feeling all window we were going to sign Frank Lampard but now probably not
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Hogan has not specifically said he wants to move to a premier league club, he's said that he wants to play in the premier league and doesn't want to be in the championship much longer, which might well mean that he's happy to come here as we're surely a club which shouldn't be in the championship for very long, especially considering the players we are buying.
Personally I wouldn't be too amazed if Hogan and Rhodes both come if the price is right and if he's going to play with 2 strikers. We only currently have one good one in Kodjia, as McCormack appears to have been condemned, Ayew appears to be off and Gabby is barely a footballer these days.
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Hogan has not specifically said he wants to move to a premier league club, he's said that he wants to play in the premier league and doesn't want to be in the championship much longer, which might well mean that he's happy to come here as we're surely a club which shouldn't be in the championship for very long, especially considering the players we are buying.
Personally I wouldn't be too amazed if Hogan and Rhodes both come if the price is right and if he's going to play with 2 strikers. We only currently have one good one in Kodjia, as McCormack appears to have been condemned, Ayew appears to be off and Gabby is barely a footballer these days.
I think finances wouldn't permit that scenario especially financial fair play.
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Dammit we've missed out on Adebayor.
:'(
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Ulloa would still be a good buy, given the prices quoted of around £5 million.
If we were to get Hogan though, it would have to be him & Kodjia starting, meaning Ulloa may well be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
Regardless of Hogan/A.N Other joining, we are still slightly light up front, given we've lost Gestede,Ayew and probably McCormack in this window. The only back up is Gabby, who, for all his efforts, is not good enough.
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Dammit we've missed out on Adebayor.
:'(
Saw a great description of him the other day "If you could get him on a rolling contract, he'd be a world-beater"
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
Spot on, well said.
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If people think that Westwood is one of the worst players they have seen down Villa Park, then I have seen a lot worse than him and a few a still conning a living out of our club.... Gabby / Richards to name but a few.
I feel that Gabby is putting a shift in for us, both on the pitch and in training. Bruce is nobodies fool and would not suffer anyone taking the P, lightly.
He may well be nowhere near good enough but it may possibly be wrong to suggest that he's conning a living.
I honestly feel that Richards is finished as a footballer at this level. He is way too big and cannot last more than 45 minutes (if you're lucky). To compensate this, he looks to play in roles that don't require much running. Unfortunately, he is not very good in those roles.
Human statue in La Rambla?
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I you tubed Hogan as I know nothing of him - he looks average at best on You tube - that cannot be a good thing
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I couldn't 'hate' Westwood, he just wasn't good enough but doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards, same with Hutton, he's useless but seems to actually care. I hope Westwood does well at Burnley.
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Westwood loved playing for Villa.
I too would have loved to play for the Villa and I too would have been mainly shite at this level. Everybody would have loved my efforts but would have been delighted when I got moved on. Good luck Ashley! No hard feelings but it is time for a change.
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I you tubed Hogan as I know nothing of him - he looks average at best on You tube - that cannot be a good thing
Don't know what clips you were looking at but I saw a natural finisher, almost Alguero-esqe. Can't remember the last time we had such a beast (discounting the McFatty of course who came with such a reputation)
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Dammit we've missed out on Adebayor.
:'(
Saw a great description of him the other day "If you could get him on a rolling contract, he'd be a world-beater"
Yeah, a monthly one.
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
Spot on, well said.
I agree. A model professional and a real shame he just wasn't good enough
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You'd have thought a man paid millions for kicking a football would have learned how to kick a football in five years. Sadly, it wasn't to be. Having said that, 'neat and tidy' Ashley did become a master of trying to look like a footballer, while mainly running around with, and pointing at, actual footballers.
I would say don't let the door hit you on the way out, but I expect you'll find a way to make it look like a near miss while avoiding it altogether.
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
Spot on, well said.
I agree. A model professional and a real shame he just wasn't good enough
Exactly, I wish him all the best!
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
Spot on, well said.
I agree. A model professional and a real shame he just wasn't good enough
Exactly, I wish him all the best!
Agree 100%, he was made a "whipping boy" by some on here, when there were players much more deserving of that title. Good luck to him
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
Spot on, well said.
I agree. A model professional and a real shame he just wasn't good enough
Exactly, I wish him all the best!
Agree 100%, he was made a "whipping boy" by some on here, when there were players much more deserving of that title. Good luck to him
He wasn't, he was consistently awful for 5 years and ire reflected that.
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Westwood loved playing for Villa. On the day we went down he left the field in tears. Gabby who is cheered by the moronic majority at the games was in a London hotel with hippy crack and dodgy looking women. I think as a footballer he has never had a great strength or been coached to a specific role, but he's given his all and i wish him well. There are many to be critical of above Westwood.
Spot on, well said.
I agree. A model professional and a real shame he just wasn't good enough
Exactly, I wish him all the best!
Agree 100%, he was made a "whipping boy" by some on here, when there were players much more deserving of that title. Good luck to him
He wasn't, he was consistently awful for 5 years and ire reflected that.
He was never consistently awful for 5 years - you could make the point about the past couple of seasons, and parts of Lambert's final season, but he did fine in his first couple of seasons.
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I hate Gabriel and Ashley with the equal amount of venom..
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
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Someone on Twatter reckons Bruce could go for Ballon d'Or winner Bendtner if all else fails...
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Westwood is/was never good enough but he never hoodwinked anyone.
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Might have to touch up my first choice team if today's deals happen. I understand Thor can also play RM as he's right footed, so I'd go...
----------------------Johnstone--------------------
Bree---------Chester----------Baker-------Taylor
Thor---------Lansbury-------Hourahane---Amavi
--------------Hulk------------Kodjia---------------
Subs:
Bunn, Elphick, Bacuna, Jedinak, Grealish,
Adomah, Agbonlahor
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We've had plenty of worse players than Westwood. The difference is, most of them play a handful of times before the manager sees them for their uselessness and they get disposed of (not in a Mafia sense).
Westwood is the epitome of mediocrity and yet must have played about five hundred games for us. Truly an indication of our pathetic midfield for the last half a decade.
and why we are half way down in the championship.
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Every team we played against for the last few seasons knew we were a soft touch in the middle. Hopefully for the first time in ages we will have addressed that.
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SSN getting really cringey already. Becoming shouty and OTT over loans and unheard of players ... "We have reporters all over the country", pointless .... "Lee from Gateshead has tweeted, let the excitement begin!. "Well Lee, I think it's already begun". Bullshit.
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
Yes, brilliant in hindsight as always!
Apparently he has hoodwinked all of our managers also, who have continually played him, as well as Dyche who is prepared to pay £5m for him!
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
Yes, brilliant in hindsight as always!
Apparently he has hoodwinked all of our managers also, who have continually played him, as well as Dyche who is prepared to pay £5m for him!
I'd say it was more to do with the club not providing the money for an upgrade more than anything else. Oh and I said he was shit from season one when others were still calling for him for an England call up. Hindsight my arse.
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This 'Westy' love-gush is reminiscent of "Good luck, Randy, it just didn't work out. P.S. I loved you once, and we'll always have the mosaic and free coaches to Chelsea..."
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Well I think he's cack, but certainly have no malice against the guy. Good luck to him, but if we get £5m for him it's good business for us.
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This 'Westy' love-gush is reminiscent of "Good luck, Randy, it just didn't work out. P.S. I loved you once, and we'll always have the mosaic and free coaches to Chelsea..."
Hear hear!
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it is the same with Gabby, who has hoodwinked every manager in the last 6 seasons, but for some on here all is forgiven because he has lost a few pounds in weight and ran round for 45 mins in the last home game against Preston.
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I hope H&V Towers has the sandbags at the ready because with the game at Brentford and the revolving door at Bodymoor circling non-stop, tonight is going to see a deluge of activity to batter previous records - the day the Djembas (d)joined and the night we bowed-out to mighty Bradford.
We're already showing signs of creakage this AM, please don't make those bright soulless lights at SkySportsNews and their pundits and (w)anchors be our only beacon of news.
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Ross Mc to Forest?
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
Yes, brilliant in hindsight as always!
Apparently he has hoodwinked all of our managers also, who have continually played him, as well as Dyche who is prepared to pay £5m for him!
I'd say it was more to do with the club not providing the money for an upgrade more than anything else. Oh and I said he was shit from season one when others were still calling for him for an England call up. Hindsight my arse.
Yeah, because we spent absolutely nothing the summer we sold Benteke and Delph, and we spent absolutely nothing last summer either.
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more clubs in for Ross Mc now :)
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Ross is done with us. Fair play to Bruce. RMC has firmly taken the piss, all while being 1 stone heavier than where he should be at.
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This 'Westy' love-gush is reminiscent of "Good luck, Randy, it just didn't work out. P.S. I loved you once, and we'll always have the mosaic and free coaches to Chelsea..."
I wouldn't really agree there Jimbo because RL virtually brought the club to its knees and ultimately can't blame anyone but himself. I definately have malice towards him. Westwood can't help it if he's continually picked and has limited ability, although I must admit some of his recent performances in terms of his involvement in the game suggests he's been hiding and has tainted my view a bit. Still, hardly RL levels of damage though.
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
Yes, brilliant in hindsight as always!
Apparently he has hoodwinked all of our managers also, who have continually played him, as well as Dyche who is prepared to pay £5m for him!
I'd say it was more to do with the club not providing the money for an upgrade more than anything else. Oh and I said he was shit from season one when others were still calling for him for an England call up. Hindsight my arse.
Yeah, because we spent absolutely nothing the summer we sold Benteke and Delph, and we spent absolutely nothing last summer either.
We'll never know for sure why he stayed so long considering how shit he was. It surely couldn't be because of how valuable he was as a player because a blind man could see he was utterly useless. Perhaps we couldn't find anyone so dumb to buy him till now?
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I know nothing about Rhodes and Hogan but it seems most people on here would love Hogan and not Rhodes , yet Rhodes has a brilliant scoring ratio probably better than Hogan.
so why Hogan ? why is he the man of the two?
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I know nothing about Rhodes and Hogan but it seems most people on here would love Hogan and not Rhodes , yet Rhodes has a brilliant scoring ratio probably better than Hogan.
so why Hogan ? why is he the man of the two?
Rhodes is Bent without pace. Hogan I think gives you a little more involvement with build up. Plus he's been playing games and Rhodes hasn't really kicked a ball for yonks has he?
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I know nothing about Rhodes and Hogan but it seems most people on here would love Hogan and not Rhodes , yet Rhodes has a brilliant scoring ratio probably better than Hogan.
so why Hogan ? why is he the man of the two?
I'm not the best qualified but I'll have a stab;
Rhodes has had a terrible previous 12 months, having not played at all really since last season. Hogan has been on fire this season.
Rhodes is a poacher (proven admittedly) Hogan is a natural finisher with a bit more to his game than just being the proverbial "fox in the box"
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Yeah I think Hogans success is more recent, so people (including myself) are naturally going to favour him of the two.
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
Yes, brilliant in hindsight as always!
Apparently he has hoodwinked all of our managers also, who have continually played him, as well as Dyche who is prepared to pay £5m for him!
I'd say it was more to do with the club not providing the money for an upgrade more than anything else. Oh and I said he was shit from season one when others were still calling for him for an England call up. Hindsight my arse.
Yeah, because we spent absolutely nothing the summer we sold Benteke and Delph, and we spent absolutely nothing last summer either.
We'll never know for sure why he stayed so long considering how shit he was. It surely couldn't be because of how valuable he was as a player because a blind man could see he was utterly useless. Perhaps we couldn't find anyone so dumb to buy him till now?
Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo were all very decent midfielders, so I think it's perfectly acceptable to trust their ability to judge whether he was in fact a useful midfielder compared to your average fan on a forum, even though their broader managerial abilities were suspect.
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Fatty to Forest is being mooted, which is fine but it shouldn't be a loan - it should be a sale or nothing.
We don't really want to be strengthening a competitor with any more of our bloody players.
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£15m seems a lot for Hogan who has only really played 66 league games for Rochdale and Brentford combined, at age 24, albeit with a 50%+ scoring record. Hopefully he is a late developer like Ian Wright.
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
Yes, brilliant in hindsight as always!
Apparently he has hoodwinked all of our managers also, who have continually played him, as well as Dyche who is prepared to pay £5m for him!
I'd say it was more to do with the club not providing the money for an upgrade more than anything else. Oh and I said he was shit from season one when others were still calling for him for an England call up. Hindsight my arse.
Yeah, because we spent absolutely nothing the summer we sold Benteke and Delph, and we spent absolutely nothing last summer either.
We'll never know for sure why he stayed so long considering how shit he was. It surely couldn't be because of how valuable he was as a player because a blind man could see he was utterly useless. Perhaps we couldn't find anyone so dumb to buy him till now?
Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo were all very decent midfielders, so I think it's perfectly acceptable to trust their ability to judge whether he was in fact a useful midfielder compared to your average fan on a forum, even though their broader managerial abilities were suspect.
We're you glad your trusted their judgement then?
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Using the Ayew/Westwood cash we would be getting Hogan for only £3-5m. Guess thats why we can go to the price needed.
Palace rumoured to be interested still. Would he go there? They only play 1 striker and have Benteke, Remy, Campbell
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Would love Scott Hogan, you can see he has real qualities, reminds abit of Aguero.
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Fatty to Forest is being mooted, which is fine but it shouldn't be a loan - it should be a sale or nothing.
We don't really want to be strengthening a competitor with any more of our bloody players.
I very much doubt Forest will have much of a transfer kitty - what with the owner wanting out & the recent take over failure. Maybe Fulham will want the tosser back on loan: with a view to making the move permanent in the Summer?
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Pheeew Natalie and her white dress.
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I honestly don't know much about hogan but he looks good at getting shots away.
I've seen a bit more of Rhodes and for me he looks like the sort of player that will score goals if you put them on a plate for him but won't create chances from nothing and won't make runs to open space for others. On top of that I don't like signing players who haven't been playing, it's rare for them to come in and hit the ground running and at this time of the season we need that immediate impact if we're going to spend big money.
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Fulham seems the obvious option. Catalogue of excuses from McCormack, plenty of My Villa Hell pieces in the rags plus they probably still have the money we paid forthe fat gate rattler.
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This 'Westy' love-gush is reminiscent of "Good luck, Randy, it just didn't work out. P.S. I loved you once, and we'll always have the mosaic and free coaches to Chelsea..."
It's not a love gush, it's just some people don't feel the need to take classless digs at a player whose only real crime was that he wasn't quite good enough.
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agreed fee for hogan
hes on his way to medical
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On SSN now, on his way to Villa Park for a medical
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agreed fee for hogan
hes on his way to medical
Oooh look at me, I'm the first to say it, I'm the best ...
Beat me to it.
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This 'Westy' love-gush is reminiscent of "Good luck, Randy, it just didn't work out. P.S. I loved you once, and we'll always have the mosaic and free coaches to Chelsea..."
It's not a love gush, it's just some people don't feel the need to take classless digs at a player whose only real crime was that he wasn't quite good enough.
Classless? Not so, chrisw1. I rather think you've been Westwinked.
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i hate to use the expression but we're going to rip the league a new one if Hogan comes in - maybe not this year, but I wouldn't bet against us next season.
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Not really the same are they. A basically decent but not very good player versus an owner who took us down a division through inaction and incompetence.
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Yes, brilliant in hindsight as always!
Apparently he has hoodwinked all of our managers also, who have continually played him, as well as Dyche who is prepared to pay £5m for him!
I'd say it was more to do with the club not providing the money for an upgrade more than anything else. Oh and I said he was shit from season one when others were still calling for him for an England call up. Hindsight my arse.
Yeah, because we spent absolutely nothing the summer we sold Benteke and Delph, and we spent absolutely nothing last summer either.
We'll never know for sure why he stayed so long considering how shit he was. It surely couldn't be because of how valuable he was as a player because a blind man could see he was utterly useless. Perhaps we couldn't find anyone so dumb to buy him till now?
Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo were all very decent midfielders, so I think it's perfectly acceptable to trust their ability to judge whether he was in fact a useful midfielder compared to your average fan on a forum, even though their broader managerial abilities were suspect.
We're you glad your trusted their judgement then?
I don't see why you need to be obtuse about this. I don't see how it's unreasonable to say that an accomplished midfielder (which each of those four were) would know what a positive contribution from midfield would look like, and would then be able to assess whether a given midfielder's performance is meeting that standard; and if it isn't, to bomb him out, because not doing so would mean trouble for his own employment status. Plus, this is 4 managers we're talking about, not just one loon.
Only Garde really has the excuse of not having any money to buy an upgrade; Lambert was hamstrung but had enough money here and there, even if it was just to take another punt on a lower-league midfielder, Sherwood had to work with Reilly but he still had enough money to chuck it at the likes of Richards and Gestede; and RDM, let's not go there.
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Not really the same are they. A basically decent but not very good player versus an owner who took us down a division through inaction and incompetence.
Are you lost mate ... the PS4 section is over there ------------------> ;)
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I would add to that Mossy. "and gross financial ineptitude". My eight year old grandson manages his money better than Randy Lerner does.
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Down to £10m now (for Hogan)!
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Down to £10m now (for Hogan)!
Reckon promotion add ons etc will take it up to £15 mill.
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Managers get it wrong and get it right. Players also go through good and bad spells and sometimes need a move on to get things moving again. What I know is that there are enough examples of us getting rid of 'rubbish' payers who then go on to bigger and better things to stop me spinning the 'Dyche's been sold a pup' line too hastily.
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Pheeew Natalie and her white dress.
Delightful choice of outfit for deadline day I thought.
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Down to £10m now (for Hogan)!
Reckon promotion add ons etc will take it up to £15 mill.
Maybe so - strange for SSN to change it from £15m to £10m so quickly though. Presumably they use the same criteria, but someone's corrected the original figure
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Hopefully good news. Genuine question, if McCormack was fit and on form who do people think would be the better player?
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yanic wildschut
thats a great name unless he plays crap
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On SSN now, on his way to Villa Park for a medical
Why VP if we're down at Brentford today? He could stay there and just get changed in the visitors' changing room this evening.
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On SSN now, on his way to Villa Park for a medical
Why VP if we're down at Brentford today? He could stay there and just get changed in the visitors' changing room this evening.
also weakens them
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Down to £10m now (for Hogan)!
Reckon promotion add ons etc will take it up to £15 mill.
A bit like Berihino to Stoke deal. I think it's something like £9m up front and the rest dependent on him playing for England and Stoke winning a trophy or something.
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Would love Scott Hogan, you can see he has real qualities, reminds abit of Aguero.
Steady on!
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He was appalling from day one. I remember shaking my head in disbelief in early December in his first season here when the club PR were laughably talking him up for an England selection. He was a League 1 standard player thrown into the PL and boy did it show. How he's continued to hoodwink some fans for all this time remains one of life's great mysteries.
Good riddance to him.
That's unfair. He hoodwinked no one. Successive managers selected him because he always gave it his best shot and they knew he could be trusted. No off field shananigans either. A good professional. Question his ability by all means and i'd agree he is just not up to the standard I want to see at the Villa but it wasn't for a lack of trying. (Westwood that is in case anyone's confused)
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Pheeew Natalie and her white dress.
Delightful choice of outfit for deadline day I thought.
Init! She went side on and the camera caught her curvy silhouette perfectly.
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Would love Scott Hogan, you can see he has real qualities, reminds abit of Aguero.
Steady on!
yep , to me our squad is better than Newcastles now
I will get my metal hat and run
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has Westwood gone yet?
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Bruce said we were really close with the mystery player. Doesn't ring true if we have only just agreed the fee and Hogan is only now travelling for a medical. I wonder if it's much more advanced than that.
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there is a ridiculous story floating round linking us with bendtner. WTF
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
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Our wage budget must be huge now. Let's hope they have done their maths right and we are not in a financial hole.
Crazy spend!
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I'd so love to see the back of Richards and Gabby this window.
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Our wage budget must be huge now. Let's hope they have done their maths right and we are not in a financial hole.
Crazy spend!
We've shifted a few players too, and if Ayew, Westwood and McCormack goes that's a bit more off the bill. I don't know that we are spending that much more after January than before are we?
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
Cant we just enjoy the expectation and anticipation before writing this one off ?
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I'd so love to see the back of Richards and Gabby this window.
Gabby isn't going anywhere and Richards is knackered so both will be around for a bit. I'd like to have seen Kozak go becauase outside of carrying bibs and oranges not sure what he does at the club anymore.
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
Cant we just enjoy the expectation and anticipation before writing this one off ?
So true.
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I'd so love to see the back of Richards and Gabby this window.
Gabby isn't going anywhere and Richards is knackered so both will be around for a bit. I'd like to have seen Kozak go becauase outside of carrying bibs and oranges not sure what he does at the club anymore.
I thought Richards was ok now? I forgot about Kozak (which is a fair shout) but I can live with him carrying the bibs and handing out the oranges (at least he has a good reason for being how he is following his injury) plus I don't think he's on anywhere near the wages or the length of contract of those two.
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I agree, this has all the hall marks of when Lerner let loose O'Neill with the cheque book, and the wage bill became unmanageable, we need to balance the books and players need to be gone, there is no guarantee that we will get promoted, this is not like the Premier League where survival will do!
If we don't start well next season then we could be in a financial mess, I hope that Dr Tony has very deep pockets, and can continue to afford our yearly losses (this season I would estimate it will be £50 million +)
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AVtranfers1 whose tweets are pretty much bang on has said:
Taylor, Bedeau done.
Hogan - defo happening
and we're not finished yet !
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I agree, this has all the hall marks of when Lerner let loose O'Neill with the cheque book, and the wage bill became unmanageable, we need to balance the books and players need to be gone, there is no guarantee that we will get promoted, this is not like the Premier League where survival will do!
If we don't start well next season then we could be in a financial mess, I hope that Dr Tony has very deep pockets, and can continue to afford our yearly losses (this season I would estimate it will be £50 million +)
Not sure about that!
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It's nothing like MON/Lerner because MON refused to sell the players he spent a fortune on getting in. They just sat on the bench gathering dust and he went out asking for more. The net spend for those who are counting isn't going to be overwhelming and the wages have been offset in part by sales. Plus most importantly there is a togetherness regarding the direction of the club versus what it was when MON ran the show.
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We aren't signing BIG names on BIG wages though are we ? and we're letting some of the ones that are go. If anything i'd expect our wage bill to decrease accordingly
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
Cant we just enjoy the expectation and anticipation before writing this one off ?
So true.
Funny how it seems
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Ins
Lansbury
Bree
Hourihane
Taylor
Hogan
Johnstone
Bjornason
Outs
Ayew
Gestede
Westwood
Cissokho
Basically we've spent a couple of million on that lot, very good business on paper. We should bum this division next year.
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I get people are hyped for signings but we must also be realistic and say, what about the wages, signing on fees, agents fees etc. If Lansbury, Hogan, Hourihane are on roughly 40k a week added to the McCormack disaster we must have a huge wage bill.
If we sell Westwood, that will help but still if promotion isn't gained at the end of next season worst case, we will be screwed possibly.
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Westwood completed his medical, SSN.
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Westwood medical complete at Burnley according to SSN.
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Alex Bruce is joining........... Wigan.
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Westwood completed his medical, SSN.
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n185/mappalazarou/1178970955833.jpg)
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It's nothing like MON/Lerner because MON refused to sell the players he spent a fortune on getting in. They just sat on the bench gathering dust and he went out asking for more. The net spend for those who are counting isn't going to be overwhelming and the wages have been offset in part by sales. Plus most importantly there is a togetherness regarding the direction of the club versus what it was when MON ran the show.
This...MON had his say on everything..this time we have good people around Bruce to make decisions and say yes or no. Plus as you said, players were on fortunes, not being played and not being sold, yet still he went asking for more....
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I get people are hyped for signings but we must also be realistic and say, what about the wages, signing on fees, agents fees etc. If Lansbury, Hogan, Hourihane are on roughly 40k a week added to the McCormack disaster we must have a huge wage bill.
If we've given any of the new lot anywhere near 40k a week then we want locking up regardless. I don't believe we have
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Ins
Lansbury
Bree
Hourihane
Taylor
Hogan
Johnstone
Bjornason
Outs
Ayew
Gestede
Westwood
Cissokho
Basically we've spent a couple of million on that lot, very good business on paper. We should bum this division next year.
you missed Bedeau.
I thought Cissokho was a loanee.
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Ins
Lansbury
Bree
Hourihane
Taylor
Hogan
Johnstone
Bjornason
Outs
Ayew
Gestede
Westwood
Cissokho
Basically we've spent a couple of million on that lot, very good business on paper. We should bum this division next year.
Gollini and Tish have also gone.
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
Cant we just enjoy the expectation and anticipation before writing this one off ?
I can see why we spent the cash on the other lads this window and I am really optimistic about the new midfield trio, I'm just a bit nervous about spanking double digit on a striker whose CV before Brentford includes Woodley Sports, Rochdale x 2, Hyde and Ashton Utd. Hoping he's more of a Jamie Vardy than Tony Cascarino
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We know more about this lad than we ever did before signing Benteke, and look how that worked out. I have a friend who is a Brentford supporter and he was telling me about this lad last year. Give him a chance.
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
Cant we just enjoy the expectation and anticipation before writing this one off ?
I can see why we spent the cash on the other lads this window and I am really optimistic about the new midfield trio, I'm just a bit nervous about spanking double digit on a striker whose CV before Brentford includes Woodley Sports, Rochdale x 2, Hyde and Ashton Utd. Hoping he's more of a Jamie Vardy than Tony Cascarino
Uh Hellooooooooo ... Stocksbridge Park Steels as well, Mr. Man!
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I get people are hyped for signings but we must also be realistic and say, what about the wages, signing on fees, agents fees etc. If Lansbury, Hogan, Hourihane are on roughly 40k a week added to the McCormack disaster we must have a huge wage bill.
If we've given any of the new lot anywhere near 40k a week then we want locking up regardless. I don't believe we have
Lansbury rumoured to be on 40k, not sure about the others. Crazy money for division 2
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Meaning Evil reporting this:
"Aston Villa stand on the verge of signing Brentford striker Scott Hogan - but Jordan Rhodes cannot be completely ruled out just yet.
Bruce has clearly had to make a decision over which of the striker targets he would pursue and while that seems to be Hogan after a Championship record-equalling bid was accepted - Gabby Agbonlahor's injury might have opened the door for a second striker arrival .
Sources close to Middlesbrough suggest that Rhodes would be allowed to leave Teesside on loan with the clock ticking towards deadline."
"Agbonlahor is likely to be out for a number of weeks, while Ross McCormack is set to join a Championship rival on loan. Nottingham Forest are the side most keen to land the Scottish striker."
They also say that Forest are interested in taking Gardner......again!.......Godzvilla!
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Just read that Westwood has gone to Burnley for £5 million! Please tell me this isn't fake news.
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Can I just point out a startling lack of references to Paul Hogan and associated Australian cultural references pun fest. Shame of you lot.
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Just read that Westwood has gone to Burnley for £5 million! Please tell me this isn't fake news.
Or an alternative fact.
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Hulk Hogan!
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Can I just point out a startling lack of references to Paul Hogan and associated Australian cultural references pun fest. Shame of you lot.
I see what you did there...
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Can I just point out a startling lack of references to Paul Hogan and associated Australian cultural references pun fest. Shame of you lot.
Ill probably wait till its a Dundee-l
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
Cant we just enjoy the expectation and anticipation before writing this one off ?
So true.
Funny how it seems
Whoosh !!
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Hulk personal terms agreed
not medical yet
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If we are signing Scott Hogan for £10m+ I hope we've done our homework, the last thing we need is another striker that in 6 months time achieves nothing more than doubling their body weight and getting stuck in their front door.
Cant we just enjoy the expectation and anticipation before writing this one off ?
So true.
Funny how it seems
Always in time....
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but never in line for dreams
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Can I just point out a startling lack of references to Paul Hogan and associated Australian cultural references pun fest. Shame of you lot.
Ill probably wait till its a Dundee-l
You'd have to be Mental As Anything to start one on deadline day.
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The Meaning Evil reporting that Dimitar Berbatov is on his way to negotiate a move to Wet Spam........here's the kicker, if this move fails
it's claimed the striker could join Aston Villa instead.........don't shoot the messenger!....Godzvilla!.
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Doesn't this bullish crop up at every transfer window?
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He can't come to Villa Park. We don't own an ashtray.
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Why would Bruce want to sign a 36 year old lazy twunt when he's developing a young squad? File under "bullshit".
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Why would Bruce want to sign a 36 year old lazy twunt when he's developing a young squad? File under "bullshit".
Cover for Gabby.
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Gate opener for Fatmac.
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He can't come to Villa Park. We don't own an ashtray.
Not what I heard.We were also willing to offer the Havana cigars,humidor and shooting stick but balked at the Waterford crystal glasses and hip flask.
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Stuck out for Stourbridge crystal did he, the educated bastard.
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westwood done deal £5 million
Burnley delighted
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westwood done deal £5 million
Burnley delighted
Good news. And will be interesting to see if there is a player in there or not.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
I hold no ill feelings towards him, he tried his best but his best wasn't good enough. To be fair to him, the way Lerner and Co ran the club he's probably right.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
... or head a ball. Or tackle. Or kick a dead ball properly. Or kick a moving ball properly. Or shoot on target. Or score a goal. Or compete. Or be visible at all. Or show any trace of personality whatsoever.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
... or head a ball. Or tackle. Or kick a dead ball properly. Or kick a moving ball properly. Or shoot on target. Or score a goal. Or compete. Or be visible at all. Or show any trace of personality whatsoever.
oh give it a fucking rest Jimbo, he's gone now.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
... or head a ball. Or tackle. Or kick a dead ball properly. Or kick a moving ball properly. Or shoot on target. Or score a goal. Or compete. Or be visible at all. Or show any trace of personality whatsoever.
oh give it a fucking rest Jimbo, he's gone now.
No. Tonight I'm going to party like it's 2011, like before we'd ever heard the name Ashley Westwood. Tomorrow I'll forget the wet digestive ever played for us and will never mention him again.
But what a cheeky bastard (him, not you) talking about 'proper clubs' and being appreciated. This club made him rich beyond his fucking dreams and gave him years of support, and all he gave us in return was running about a bit and a lot of pointing and shirking of responsibilities. I was going to wish him well for the future, as long as it's nowhere near B6, but now he can fuck right off.
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westwood done deal £5 million
Burnley delighted
Good news. And will be interesting to see if there is a player in there or not.
There isn't. He had long enough with us to show us what he has...it ain't much. Wish him well but he's not someone I will give thought to.
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I wouldn't mind Berbatov as cover, if he is on reasonable wages. I suspect he won't be though, so it's a moot point.
I reckon he'll end up back at Fulham, they were obviously looking for a striker before hence their being linked with McCormack.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
... or head a ball. Or tackle. Or kick a dead ball properly. Or kick a moving ball properly. Or shoot on target. Or score a goal. Or compete. Or be visible at all. Or show any trace of personality whatsoever.
oh give it a fucking rest Jimbo, he's gone now.
I've nothing against you Chris, but maybe it's you that should give it a rest, you seem the only person sensitive to Ashley's criticism.
Just accept that some of us think he's shite and are genuinely thrilled at never having to watch him again,
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I tend to reserve my hatred for piss takers so I don't hate Westwank. I am very pleased I won't ever have to watch him play again though.
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I wouldn't mind Berbatov as cover, if he is on reasonable wages. I suspect he won't be though, so it's a moot point.
I reckon he'll end up back at Fulham, they were obviously looking for a striker before hence their being linked with McCormack.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
That's a little direct coming from someone so indirect.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
... or head a ball. Or tackle. Or kick a dead ball properly. Or kick a moving ball properly. Or shoot on target. Or score a goal. Or compete. Or be visible at all. Or show any trace of personality whatsoever.
oh give it a fucking rest Jimbo, he's gone now.
No. Tonight I'm going to party like it's 2011, like before we'd ever heard the name Ashley Westwood. Tomorrow I'll forget the wet digestive ever played for us and will never mention him again.
But what a cheeky bastard (him, not you) talking about 'proper clubs' and being appreciated. This club made him rich beyond his fucking dreams and gave him years of support, and all he gave us in return was running about a bit and a lot of pointing and shirking of responsibilities. I was going to wish him well for the future, as long as it's nowhere near B6, but now he can fuck right off.
He never said anything bad about us, as far as I read. He's just being positive about his new club.
For someone who intends to "party", you seem determined to find something to get angry about.
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I'm absolutely livid he's gone, you can clearly tell.
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When players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Richards, Lescott & Gabby have darkened our doors over the last few years and others like Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Gil & Traore underperformed and couldn't wait to get out and others like Cissoko, Bennett, Elphick, Gollini, Crespo, Sylla, Tonev, Sinclair, Bunn and Bowery have just been utterly, utterly shit, I find it hard to get overly worked up about Westwood, a long serving player who just kept his head down and did what he could in this basket case of a side over the last 5 years.
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He played his part in getting us to where we are now.
So , good luck in the future but you were always a bit lightweight for what we really needed.
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westwood done deal £5 million
Burnley delighted
Good news. And will be interesting to see if there is a player in there or not.
He's done very well to hide it for the best part of five years if so.
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oh give it a fucking rest Jimbo, he's gone now.
When players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Richards, Lescott & Gabby have darkened our doors over the last few years and others like Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Gil & Traore underperformed and couldn't wait to get out and others like Cissoko, Bennett, Elphick, Gollini, Crespo, Sylla, Tonev, Sinclair, Bunn and Bowery have just been utterly, utterly shit, I find it hard to get overly worked up about Westwood, a long serving player who just kept his head down and did what he could in this basket case of a side over the last 5 years.
I tend to agree with your general point as to him not really bothering me especially compared with the first group you mentioned.
I don't see the distinction though between Cissokho, Bennett, Elphick et al being shit and Westwood doing 'what he could' i.e. being shit.
I also don't see why Jimbo needs to 'give it a fucking rest' just because he has a different point of view.
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£10 bid for Rhodes from Shef Wed accepted, I hope we have got a better striker in Hogan.
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His parting shot..
“It feels like a proper football club and homely and that’s what I like. I like to be appreciated and I think I will definitely get that here....
They'll appreciate you if you move the ball forward now and then.
... or head a ball. Or tackle. Or kick a dead ball properly. Or kick a moving ball properly. Or shoot on target. Or score a goal. Or compete. Or be visible at all. Or show any trace of personality whatsoever.
oh give it a fucking rest Jimbo, he's gone now.
I've nothing against you Chris, but maybe it's you that should give it a rest, you seem the only person sensitive to Ashley's criticism.
Just accept that some of us think he's shite and are genuinely thrilled at never having to watch him again,
I've got to be honest I find the Westwood bashing very tedious too. I avoid the Westwood thread as a consequence so it's doubly annoying when it ends up everywhere else, such as here.
Anyway, have we signed anyone?
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Agreed chrisw1. I would rather party over the "team" that hopefully we're trying to put together. Good luck to Westwood. Not good enough for us and certainly not what we want at this point in time. He's moving on as we all should be.
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£10 bid for Rhodes from Shef Wed accepted, I hope we have got a better striker in Hogan.
ours is more of a Charlie Austin type which is probably what we need.
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Is it me or does Marvin Emnes move in every transfer window?
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When players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Richards, Lescott & Gabby have darkened our doors over the last few years and others like Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Gil & Traore underperformed and couldn't wait to get out and others like Cissoko, Bennett, Elphick, Gollini, Crespo, Sylla, Tonev, Sinclair, Bunn and Bowery have just been utterly, utterly shit, I find it hard to get overly worked up about Westwood, a long serving player who just kept his head down and did what he could in this basket case of a side over the last 5 years.
Can't really argue with that.
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£10 bid for Rhodes from Shef Wed accepted, I hope we have got a better striker in Hogan.
given the choice between Rhodes or Hogan I would go for Hogan
I don't think I've seen either play and if I have didn't really notice them because they have played for poxy little clubs that I don't give shit a about
so my decision is based on a hunch and fuck all knowledge
but it's Hogan for me (and he's younger)
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£10 bid for Rhodes from Shef Wed accepted, I hope we have got a better striker in Hogan.
If he stays fit we have I think.
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When players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Richards, Lescott & Gabby have darkened our doors over the last few years and others like Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Gil & Traore underperformed and couldn't wait to get out and others like Cissoko, Bennett, Elphick, Gollini, Crespo, Sylla, Tonev, Sinclair, Bunn and Bowery have just been utterly, utterly shit, I find it hard to get overly worked up about Westwood, a long serving player who just kept his head down and did what he could in this basket case of a side over the last 5 years.
Same here. He seemed to know that this was a great opportunity for him and he tried his best, one thing I could never quite understand is why he didn't hit the weights to increase his physical presence. Doing that was never going to effect his pace, he didn't have any.
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Is it me or does Marvin Emnes move in every transfer window?
I dunno.Do you move every transfer window?
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When players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Richards, Lescott & Gabby have darkened our doors over the last few years and others like Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Gil & Traore underperformed and couldn't wait to get out and others like Cissoko, Bennett, Elphick, Gollini, Crespo, Sylla, Tonev, Sinclair, Bunn and Bowery have just been utterly, utterly shit, I find it hard to get overly worked up about Westwood, a long serving player who just kept his head down and did what he could in this basket case of a side over the last 5 years.
Are you his wife?
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When players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Richards, Lescott & Gabby have darkened our doors over the last few years and others like Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Gil & Traore underperformed and couldn't wait to get out and others like Cissoko, Bennett, Elphick, Gollini, Crespo, Sylla, Tonev, Sinclair, Bunn and Bowery have just been utterly, utterly shit, I find it hard to get overly worked up about Westwood, a long serving player who just kept his head down and did what he could in this basket case of a side over the last 5 years.
Are you his wife?
I can't imagine him having an affair. He would just keep inviting the harlot out for a date and not turning up!
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When players like Ireland, N'Zogbia, Richards, Lescott & Gabby have darkened our doors over the last few years and others like Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Gil & Traore underperformed and couldn't wait to get out and others like Cissoko, Bennett, Elphick, Gollini, Crespo, Sylla, Tonev, Sinclair, Bunn and Bowery have just been utterly, utterly shit, I find it hard to get overly worked up about Westwood, a long serving player who just kept his head down and did what he could in this basket case of a side over the last 5 years.
The problem was that he kept his head down during matches too.
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I'm glad Westwood has gone, the relationship with the fans was toxic and it's best for everyone for him to have left. However i think some of the comments posted about him has been unfair and the truth is he arrived a better player than he left and the club needs to accept some responsibility for that.
I see nothing in his statement to be upset about.
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I'm glad Westwood has gone, the relationship with the fans was toxic and it's best for everyone for him to have left. However i think some of the comments posted about him has been unfair and the truth is he arrived a better player than he left and the club needs to accept some responsibility for that.
I see nothing in his statement to be upset about.
I don't disagree. I reserve my greatest ire for the lazy and feckless rather than the incapable. It doesn't mean it isn't nice to be rid of someone who so persistently showed they can't do the job.
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Now that most of our big deals are just about done, I wouldn't be against using the loan market to get a bit of extra cover.
Elphick gives me the shits, so CB cover and an out and out winger would round the window off nicely.
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I'm sure I heard a radio station mention us trying for Brady, but may have misheard. Anyone else pick this up?
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Bradford City are apparently trying to get a loan deal for Kevin Toner done before 11pm.
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No problem with that, so long as we have a recall option in case of injuries.
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I'm glad Westwood has gone, the relationship with the fans was toxic and it's best for everyone for him to have left. However i think some of the comments posted about him has been unfair and the truth is he arrived a better player than he left and the club needs to accept some responsibility for that.
I see nothing in his statement to be upset about.
Agreed.
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Have Jordon Ayew signed for Swansea ?
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I hope we're planning on signing some players soon.
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Errr, can someone hit rewind and give us another go at this?
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Kevin Toner has joined Bradford City on loan.
Toner heads to the League One Bantams until the end of the season.
The 20-year-old signed a new two-year deal with us in August 2016 before spending time with Walsall on loan.
Toner made his senior breakthrough in the 2015/16 campaign.
The centre-back was introduced at half-time in the Villa Park meeting with Southampton in April 2016 and started our final trio of matches.
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We've now replaced the core of the side three times in 18 months
We need to calm this shit down, focus on coaching and build a settled side with an established pattern of play over the rest of this season
Oh and stay up
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We've now replaced the core of the side three times in 18 months
We need to calm this shit down, focus on coaching and build a settled side with an established pattern of play over the rest of this season
Oh and stay up
Exactly what I've been saying for a while. Everyone loves the anticipation and hope of new signings but in reality they just add extra dimensions of confusion to the team and an additional workload on the coaches.
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We've now replaced the core of the side three times in 18 months
We need to calm this shit down, focus on coaching and build a settled side with an established pattern of play over the rest of this season
Oh and stay up
Exactly what I've been saying for a while. Everyone loves the anticipation and hope of new signings but in reality they just add extra dimensions of confusion to the team and an additional workload on the coaches.
Not when your squad was utter, utter shite. When your actual team is utter shite, you need a new one. We now have a better set of players - up to Bruce and co to deliver better results.
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We've now replaced the core of the side three times in 18 months
We need to calm this shit down, focus on coaching and build a settled side with an established pattern of play over the rest of this season
Oh and stay up
Exactly what I've been saying for a while. Everyone loves the anticipation and hope of new signings but in reality they just add extra dimensions of confusion to the team and an additional workload on the coaches.
Not when your squad was utter, utter shite. When your actual team is utter shite, you need a new one. We now have a better set of players - up to Bruce and co to deliver better results.
Kinda. The fact we swap manager every season gives each manager a legitimate excuse to buy new players to fit their system. However I'm not sure any of them actually have a plan or defined system, they just prefer to buy known players rather than coaching what is already there. If we utilised what we have better, the same money could be spent in a more focused manner.
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Scott Hogan is signing for £9m rising to £12m.
Right now....who gives a fuck!
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We've now replaced the core of the side three times in 18 months
We need to calm this shit down, focus on coaching and build a settled side with an established pattern of play over the rest of this season
Oh and stay up
Exactly what I've been saying for a while. Everyone loves the anticipation and hope of new signings but in reality they just add extra dimensions of confusion to the team and an additional workload on the coaches.
Not when your squad was utter, utter shite. When your actual team is utter shite, you need a new one. We now have a better set of players - up to Bruce and co to deliver better results.
Kinda. The fact we swap manager every season gives each manager a legitimate excuse to buy new players to fit their system. However I'm not sure any of them actually have a plan or defined system, they just prefer to buy known players rather than coaching what is already there. If we utilised what we have better, the same money could be spent in a more focused manner.
You think Bruce doesn't know about coaching a team then? I realise tonight result leaves this open for debate and all but...
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More the club than Bruce. We are in a period of transition so I cannot isolate Bruce as the problem, it goes way further back.
But from what I have read about other clubs; recently Brentford, Spurs and Saracens our training seem to lack both focus and intensity.
In fairness, that sort of education might be happening under Bruce, however it's not been publicised if it is.
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More the club than Bruce. We are in a period of transition
Yes, we're transitioning from being shit to being even worse.
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Bruce banging on post game that we cant expect to sign our way out of trouble
oh the irony
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Bruce banging on post game that we cant expect to sign our way out of trouble
oh the irony
Ha ha ha, did he really say that?
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that Barrow Villa were linked with has gone on loan to Leedz
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Bruce banging on post game that we cant expect to sign our way out of trouble
oh the irony
Ha ha ha, did he really say that?
Just seen on Facebook an interview where he said - to paraphrase - we need to find a system and formation that suits the players. Shouldn't that be the other way around? You sign players to suit your system!
No wonder players come in and go shit, you cannot reasonably expect an attacking player (Lansbury?) to anchor the midfield.
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Bruce banging on post game that we cant expect to sign our way out of trouble
oh the irony
Ha ha ha, did he really say that?
I'm paraphrasing slightly but that was the gist of it. It was in answer to a question about how excited was he to get Scott Hogan in.
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More the club than Bruce. We are in a period of transition
Yes, we're transitioning from being shit to being even worse.
That rock is still looking for the bottom.
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We still look a bit threadbare up front with all these forwards leaving, I'd have hoped for one more.
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My mate who lives in Beijing that's a footie a coach says that Emile Heskey has been singed for Sinobo.
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My mate who lives in Beijing that's a footie a coach says that Emile Heskey has been singed for Sinobo.
I hope he sings better than he played football.
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Ones that did move but not to us I would have liked included Rhodes, Brady and Morrison
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Thanks Tony you did a crackin job.....Steve B will now do the business and get us to the play offs.......mark my words.....
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you might want to reconsider after last night
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Like Steve Bruce will now do the business and keep us out of the Third Division.
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It's not the third division now, you silly bugger.
It's The Krispy Kreme League One.
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I would really, really love it if we stayed out of the KK league.
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So...
Outs:
Gestede 6m
Westwood 5m
McCormack Loan
Tshibola Loan
Ayew 5m
Gollini Loan
Toner Loan
Total - 16m
Ins:
Taylor Free, Swap
Hogan 9m
Hourihane 2m
Bree 3m
Lansbury 3m
Bedeau 1m
Bjarneson 2m
Johnstone Loan
Total 20m
There is also a good chance of McCormack turning permanent for a fee, I would say that for what will most probably end up being a break even scenario, that is some really good business
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I still think we're a bit short at the back, the injury to De Leat and the non-existence of Micah Richards don't help in that respect.
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Still need a goalkeeper
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There's only 2 fit forwards at the moment. 3 have been sold/ loaned out with only one incoming? We're short upfront. Gabby can't be relied on and is injury prone nowadays. We should've got one more forward in, even a loan option.
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Yes another forward would have been nice, but I believe the amount of work that went on behind the scenes was excellent and I think quite successful, there is only so much can be done in one window. It's up to Bruce now to mould his new team & get them playing as one
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Once the balls start rolling, surely there's only so much you can achieve in the given time remaining. I personally think they did blooming well to get 8 in and 8 out !
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So...
Outs:
Gestede 6m
Westwood 5m
McCormack Loan
Tshibola Loan
Ayew 5m
Gollini Loan
Toner Loan
Total - 16m
Ins:
Taylor Free, Swap
Hogan 9m
Hourihane 2m
Bree 3m
Lansbury 3m
Bedeau 1m
Bjarneson 2m
Johnstone Loan
Total 20m
There is also a good chance of McCormack turning permanent for a fee, I would say that for what will most probably end up being a break even scenario, that is some really good business
I wouldnt be banking on that, forest are piss pot poor and will be paying about 25% of his wages
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So...
Outs:
Gestede 6m
Westwood 5m
McCormack Loan
Tshibola Loan
Ayew 5m
Gollini Loan
Toner Loan
Total - 16m
Ins:
Taylor Free, Swap
Hogan 9m
Hourihane 2m
Bree 3m
Lansbury 3m
Bedeau 1m
Bjarneson 2m
Johnstone Loan
Total 20m
There is also a good chance of McCormack turning permanent for a fee, I would say that for what will most probably end up being a break even scenario, that is some really good business
I wouldnt be banking on that, forest are piss pot poor and will be paying about 25% of his wages
True. but I think Bruce will be here for a while regardless of how he does this season so i cant see a way back for mccormack. Hopefully if nothing else it will put him in the shop window
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Personally I find it difficult to criticise the business carried out this window. We can argue as much as we like about the quality of the incoming players, the fullness of time will decide that but, we've been crying out for a competent midfield and we got one, certainly an improvement on the previous IMO. We also got a striker which we were crying out for. That in itself has shown that the powers that be were aware of what was needed and addressed it. No complaints from me.
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Yeah, on the face of it they've done a great job. Player for player we look really strong, but as a team we're really shocking and it's probably just going to require patience this time. Use the rest of this season to experiment and tweak.
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The game last night deflected from what was a very good transfer window. But it doesn't tarnish it and doesn't in any suggest the players we bought are bad. They just need to play together and come to an understanding.
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The game last night deflected from what was a very good transfer window. But it doesn't tarnish it and doesn't in any suggest the players we bought are bad. They just need to play together and come to an understanding.
I think this nails it. I dare say, we also missed Jedinak last night as Brentford had the skill to find their men in lovely holes of space. Jedinak might have defended the back four a little better. It was a good window. We asked for players with good passing and movement, good delivery, finishing prowess etc and we have it. It will take time to get them sorted now as we have had surgery yet again on the club with a 15 player turnaround, after having a 25 player turnaround in the summer. Time to pause and plan now for Bruce. We are unlikely to get anything out of this season, so sow the seeds, lay the foundations, bring in a centre half and keeper in the summer, perhaps a left midfielder and really go for it next season. My one only fear with this windows signings; if you buy enough Championship players, you become a Championship side. I guess that's where we are, no denying it. I do hope though, that the likes of Hogan, Lansbury and Hourihane have the hunger and desire to want to play at the higher level and are not happy where they are, mid-table, earning shit loads of cash, and lose their desire and hunger to go higher. Overall, a great window and we now need to get organized and start scoring goals.
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Last night was incredibly dissapointing ... not just the result or performance but for what is yet another false dawn.
I was really looking forward to seeing the new lads play last night ... i thought we had bought well and resolved problems that had been with us for years.
I was also excited by the timing of most of the signings with the break before last night we had a bit of time for some of the new boys to gel. I thought we would come out all guns blazing and to be fair first 10 minutes we looked good.
So what happened...Brentford reacted we didnt and went from having the best midfield (on paper) to no midfield at all on the pitch.
I think Bruce would have learned an important lesson last night ... you cant play with all your new toys at once !!! Last night may just have been too much too soon.
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Yeah, on the face of it they've done a great job. Player for player we look really strong, but as a team we're really shocking and it's probably just going to require patience this time. Use the rest of this season to experiment and tweak.
There's the rub. Loads of us (me included) were crowing about how much better balanced we'd be with all these new French lads instead of Benteke. They were actually all decent players but came together to form a shit team. Sadly early evidence is we might have pulled that stunt a third time in a row. I know I know it's very early days but I'm not flushed with confidence.
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Last night was incredibly dissapointing ... not just the result or performance but for what is yet another false dawn.
I was really looking forward to seeing the new lads play last night ... i thought we had bought well and resolved problems that had been with us for years.
I was also excited by the timing of most of the signings with the break before last night we had a bit of time for some of the new boys to gel. I thought we would come out all guns blazing and to be fair first 10 minutes we looked good.
So what happened...Brentford reacted we didnt and went from having the best midfield (on paper) to no midfield at all on the pitch.
I think Bruce would have learned an important lesson last night ... you cant play with all your new toys at once !!! Last night may just have been too much too soon.
One game is way too early to determine if this is another false dawn.
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Yeah, on the face of it they've done a great job. Player for player we look really strong, but as a team we're really shocking and it's probably just going to require patience this time. Use the rest of this season to experiment and tweak.
There's the rub. Loads of us (me included) were crowing about how much better balanced we'd be with all these new French lads instead of Benteke. They were actually all decent players but came together to form a shit team. Sadly early evidence is we might have pulled that stunt a third time in a row. I know I know it's very early days but I'm not flushed with confidence.
You don't build a team by buying people and throwing them together. You build a team by making sure everyone knows who is doing what and can trust each other to do it. What Bruce should've been doing for the last 4 months was working on those jobs with the players he wanted to keep or who he thought were worth keeping around the squad and then as he added in the window you just start focusing on the role you've bought each player for and fit them into a team which is largely ready to go.
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Yeah, on the face of it they've done a great job. Player for player we look really strong, but as a team we're really shocking and it's probably just going to require patience this time. Use the rest of this season to experiment and tweak.
There's the rub. Loads of us (me included) were crowing about how much better balanced we'd be with all these new French lads instead of Benteke. They were actually all decent players but came together to form a shit team. Sadly early evidence is we might have pulled that stunt a third time in a row. I know I know it's very early days but I'm not flushed with confidence.
You don't build a team by buying people and throwing them together. You build a team by making sure everyone knows who is doing what and can trust each other to do it. What Bruce should've been doing for the last 4 months was working on those jobs with the players he wanted to keep or who he thought were worth keeping around the squad and then as he added in the window you just start focusing on the role you've bought each player for and fit them into a team which is largely ready to go.
Whilst I don't disagree, that is tough when you plan on removing your whole midfield.
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He's got to be starting Bree.
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Yeah, on the face of it they've done a great job. Player for player we look really strong, but as a team we're really shocking and it's probably just going to require patience this time. Use the rest of this season to experiment and tweak.
There's the rub. Loads of us (me included) were crowing about how much better balanced we'd be with all these new French lads instead of Benteke. They were actually all decent players but came together to form a shit team. Sadly early evidence is we might have pulled that stunt a third time in a row. I know I know it's very early days but I'm not flushed with confidence.
You don't build a team by buying people and throwing them together. You build a team by making sure everyone knows who is doing what and can trust each other to do it. What Bruce should've been doing for the last 4 months was working on those jobs with the players he wanted to keep or who he thought were worth keeping around the squad and then as he added in the window you just start focusing on the role you've bought each player for and fit them into a team which is largely ready to go.
Whilst I don't disagree, that is tough when you plan on removing your whole midfield.
Indeed it is, but if you're paid a fortune for your ability to manage a football team you should be able to start the job with 17-18 of the 24-25 players you want to keep, even if getting gardner to 'be' lansbury isn't going to happen you can get him playing in the right areas. It might not give us the results and if I could see that the plans were being worked on but we were failing to execute them I'd be much more forgiving but I just don't see it.
Also it doesn't cover the fact that the first time we got dragged deep and left a gap of 25-30m between the forward and anyone else he should've been working withe the squad (specifically with Adomah, Grealish, Green, Kodjia, etc) on ways to stop that from happening but instead it's become our 'style' away from home that our striker gets more and more isolated until we throw a few more attacking players on for the last 10 to try to save face. It doesn't hide the fact that he, as a very experienced central defender with another as his assistant, should have been working with Hutton, Amavi, Chester, Baker, Elphick and a few kids getting them talking to each other more, understanding each others game and working as a unit. He doesn't seem to have bothered and so we leave bus sized gaps right through the middle of the team as soon as a team offers some movement.
My real concern is, as i said, he bought into the idea that his job from October to December was to hold things together until he could buy better players and he focused entirely on signings and ignored the squad. This is backed up by the sheer amount of business we've done.
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He's got to be starting Bree.
Amavi needs replacing at present more than Hutton imo.
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Amavi can cross a ball, but I wouldn't disagree that Amavi's form has dropped right off.
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Amavi can come back, but he had a year of injury and then has had to play pretty much every game. He needs a break and Taylor gives him that opportunity, but I think Amavi will become a fine player in time.
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I like Amavi a lot but for a good month now he's been a liability. Being the worst fullback performance wise in a side that includes Hutton in every game is some going. I think he needs a few games out.
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Did I hear that the Chinese transfer window is still open? If so, let's get whichever club interested in Amavi on the blower quick sharp.
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I know he had a bad injury but let's be honest, for £9m or close to it, he looks fucking terrible. Looks like a £2m gamble signing.
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Did I hear that the Chinese transfer window is still open? If so, let's get whichever club interested in Amavi on the blower quick sharp.
Yup. They've got until 28 February. Watch out or they'll come in and snatch him at the 11th hour.....or even sooner if Dr X is involved.
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Amavi as a wing back would be better, give him the opportunity to bom forward and get some crosses in. I think he is the best crosser of a ball we have.
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I really rate him, but he's not giving me much to go on of late, and he was fucking terrible last night.
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I really rate him, but he's not giving me much to go on of late, and he was fucking terrible last night.
He was worse defensively against Wolves but at least gasped one good run in that game
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TIME GENTLEMEN PLEASE! Haven't you got Amavi threads to talk about this on?
Until somebody wants to start the summer transfer rumour thread...