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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Reuben on October 18, 2016, 11:05:39 AM
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http://talksport.com/football/listen-you-are-not-even-being-given-interview-let-alone-job-dwight-yorke-claims-aspiring (http://talksport.com/football/listen-you-are-not-even-being-given-interview-let-alone-job-dwight-yorke-claims-aspiring)
He 'can't get his head around' not getting an interview. Linking it to colour rather than being qualified/suitable.
There may be an underlying point here but I recall John Barnes using this as an excuse ignoring the fact that his managerial record was pretty poor.
And using the 'even though I had someone like Sir Alex ready to endorse me' line sadly brings back recent memories!
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To be fair, we could probably use him in midfield rather than in the dugout right now.
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Maybe he should lower his ambition a little to start with like Ince and Hasslebaink did rather than trying for one of the biggest jobs in English football with zero experience. The guy's an idiot.
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Get a job at a smaller club down the leagues and earn your stripes. Or as an assistant coach somewhere. Being a decent former player shouldn't give you a god given right to an interview for a job like the Villa where they had a stated requirement of experience.
There may or may not be a lack of opportunities for black players in coaching, but not getting an interview at the Villa is not reflective of this. So put your race card away and earn your right to manage a decent club.
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Yep, I like Yorkie but it's this type of attitude and bollocks which really proves he's not a suitable candidate anyway.
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I would love to understand why he thinks he has a God given right to the Villa job. Has he dropped down the league and got Tamworth promoted? Has he worked as an assistant or coach under an established boss? No to both. Its nothing to do with being black Yorkie, you had a party boy lifestyle which probably preceeds you and have no relevant experience to come in and manage a massive club in a bit of a mess.
Earn your stripes and come back in 5 years
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Ever since he kissed that badge at Old Trafford I've not given a tinker's cuss what he says, thinks or does.
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Why does he think he can just walk into a job as pressurised as villa manager. He has done nothing in management.
Work your way up, arrogant fool.
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You earn respect to then be interviewed for any given job. Anybody can talk a good game but delivering is a different answer. As far as I am aware, he has not demonstrated any coaching or management experience that would attract a leading club. As others have said, if you haven't got experience, go and get it. There is no quick route to the top and staying there. Just look around at the number of top players that have failed.
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I would be curious to know how many jobs he has applied for, aside from Villa and which clubs.
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Ever since he kissed that badge at Old Trafford I've not given a tinker's cuss what he says, thinks or does.
He expects Villa to give him a managerial role after that performance at Everton? I know it was 20 years ago but still no thanks.
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Yorke-what a kn-b-head!!!! no longer a legend in my view despite his goals. What makes him believe he can just walk back into Villa Park whenever he wants after he threw his dummy out the Pram against Everton all those years ago to get his move to manure. A tw-t who continues to embarrass himself and who brings the club who gave him so much into disrespect.
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What has also been missed, is he was that serious and professional about applying for the job, Did he write a letter of intent, did he send a e-mail of intent, No he sent Keith Wyness a text .WTF.
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I've long forgiven him for his departure but there's no way he should get a job at a top club.
Let him work his way up as assistant manager or as manager of a lower league/non-league club first.
Suggesting that his skin colour is anything to do with our decision not to appoint a complete rookie is a pathetic low blow.
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Yorkie - Loved you as a player but ever since you played for the dogshitters (although you were knackered by then) but more importantly those red cnuts and then rubbed our noses in it you can do one
I do not want you any where near our club
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Wisbech Town needs new manager. I will suggest they drop him a text.
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The reason you don't have a job as a manager has nothing to do with your skin colour Dwight, it's your arrogance that the lower leagues are beneath you. Your arrogance thinking sending a text asking for an interview is all you need to do to be considered as manager of Aston Villa.
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Has he even got his badges?
The Yanited badge-kissing/Blose comments were part of the pantomime, people shouldn't be so precious. He's the most complete player we've had in the past 30 years.
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there's no way he should get a job at a top club.
But we are currently 20th in the second division. I agree that he'd be no good and that he's arrogant for sending a text and expecting an interview, but you can't really accuse him of setting his sights too high.
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there's no way he should get a job at a top club.
But we are currently 20th in the second division. I agree that he'd be no good and that he's arrogant for sending a text and expecting an interview, but you can't really accuse him of setting his sights too high.
Well, you can actually. You've got to cut your teeth elsewhere, like 99% of other managers. Pulling the race card is laughable.
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Well, yes you can. Very few managers get to start at the biggest and wealthiest club in the second tier of one of the biggest leagues in the World.
Ferguson started at East Stirlingshire, Mourinho started as a translator before taking on a job with some no-marks in Division Two of the Portuguese League, I can't even be arsed to check who Wenger started at but I'll bet it was noone of our size.
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Well, yes you can. Very few managers get to start at the biggest and wealthiest club in the second tier of one of the biggest leagues in the World.
Well, if you'd said "big" club in the first post instead of "top" club I'd agree with you.
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A quick Wiki
Wenger spent the last two years of his playing career predominantly running RC Strasbourg's reserve and youth team. He became conscious of the importance of speaking English and during his holidays enrolled on a three-week language course at Cambridge.[36] Wenger also studied for his coaching badge at the Centre de ressources, d'expertise et de performance sportives (CREPS) in Strasbourg – this consisted of a course to coach children, followed by an intensive six-day course which led up to the national coaching badge.[37] The latter programme took place in Vichy and was spread over three weeks. Wenger was able to put Frantz's teachings, particularly isometrics into practise.[38] In 1981 he received his manager's diploma in Paris.[39]
Wenger's management skills at Strasbourg impressed many French coaches, and in 1983 he moved to Ligue 2 club Cannes, where he became Jean-Marc Guillou's assistant.[40] Earning a steady wage of £300 per week, he was responsible for collecting information about opposition teams, and instilled discipline in the players through training sessions.[41] Wenger's commitment to football was well documented; when asked what the young coach did during his spare time, general manager Richard Conte replied: "Videos, videos, videos. He was always watching videos of his opponents, of his own team. It didn't matter what time of night."[42] Cannes failed to win promotion to Ligue 1, but they reached the quarter-finals of the Coupe de France.[43] Wenger's work in raising the standard of the squad did not go unnoticed, and in 1984 he accepted Aldo Platini's offer to become manager of Nancy.[44]
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Well, yes you can. Very few managers get to start at the biggest and wealthiest club in the second tier of one of the biggest leagues in the World.
Well, if you'd said "big" club in the first post instead of "top" club I'd agree with you.
A fair point.
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Wenger started out by running the training ground at RC Strasbourg. His first club as 'gaffer' was AS Nancy-Lorraine in the old French Div 1 in 1984.
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Should Dwight be manager of Aston Villa - I would say absolutely not. Do some (white) ex-players get preferential treatment and land top jobs they are arguably not qualified for - I would say yes (see Keane, Neville, Southgate, Robson, etc). Does Dwight's previous reputation as a party goer whilst playing help him - I would say no it's not going to help him one little bit.
But the Uk is full of racist institutions why would football be any different? Is there racism in football? I would say yes absolutely (as Dwight points out) the numbers don't match up.
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Start spreading the news,
He's acting a prat!
I don't want to see him again, dwight Yorke, Dwight Yorke.
He thinks he can manage us
Without managing anywhere
So f-ck right off dwight Yorke, dwight yorke
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Dwight Yorke can fuck off plain and simple
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Has he even got his badges?
"Yorke retired from playing in 2009, and soon completed his Level B coaching badge after previously serving as assistant manager at both Sunderland and for Trinidad and Tobago."
http://www.football365.com/news/yorke-racism-is-reason-ive-not-been-made-a-manager?
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The reason you don't have a job as a manager has nothing to do with your skin colour Dwight, it's your arrogance that the lower leagues are beneath you. Your arrogance thinking sending a text asking for an interview is all you need to do to be considered as manager of Aston Villa.
he is a twat, I think that's the reason, but i'll just sit on the fence on this one.
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Despite everything he's done since he left, I can't get over the fact he's the best player Villa have ever had since I started going to Villa Park.
And because of that, I can't bring myself to think of him as a bit of a bellend.
What a player he was.
C'mon though, Dwight, it was never going to happen.
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Should Dwight be manager of Aston Villa - I would say absolutely not. Do some (white) ex-players get preferential treatment and land top jobs they are arguably not qualified for - I would say yes (see Keane, Neville, Southgate, Robson, etc). Does Dwight's previous reputation as a party goer whilst playing help him - I would say no it's not going to help him one little bit.
But the Uk is full of racist institutions why would football be any different? Is there racism in football? I would say yes absolutely (as Dwight points out) the numbers don't match up.
Agree with this. Plenty of ex-players walk into "top" jobs. He might have a point.
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Should Dwight be manager of Aston Villa - I would say absolutely not. Do some (white) ex-players get preferential treatment and land top jobs they are arguably not qualified for - I would say yes (see Keane, Neville, Southgate, Robson, etc). Does Dwight's previous reputation as a party goer whilst playing help him - I would say no it's not going to help him one little bit.
But the Uk is full of racist institutions why would football be any different? Is there racism in football? I would say yes absolutely (as Dwight points out) the numbers don't match up.
You are right Keane, Neville, Southgate + Robson probably were fortunate, but they were nearly all legendary captains at club level and at some point Chairman will have to take a gamble on this type of character. I'd even say Shearer probably deserved a better crack at Newcastle. The fact of the matter is though, Yorke never showed any leadership qualities as a player so why the f-ck would any big club take a massive gamble on him.
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What has also been missed, is he was that serious and professional about applying for the job, Did he write a letter of intent, did he send a e-mail of intent, No he sent Keith Wyness a text .WTF.
that says everything you need to know about the bloke
along with how he treats his son
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I like Yorke for what he did with us, but this highlights one of my big bugbears about modern football - that players think they can start at the top (often with their ex-clubs) as managers just because they were top players at those clubs. Look at the kind of clubs great managers like Saunders, Clough, Shankly and Ferguson started with. Giggs was supposedly shunned by Swansea - well, good. Lampard's been quoted as saying he would ONLY consider managing Chelsea, ridiculous if true. I agree with the poster who mentioned Ince being happy to start at the bottom and work his way up; ok he didn't turn out to be any good at the top but I respect him for doing it the right way. The only succesful exception I can think of off the top of my head was Dalglish, and let's face it, he had everything already in place.
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Should Dwight be manager of Aston Villa - I would say absolutely not. Do some (white) ex-players get preferential treatment and land top jobs they are arguably not qualified for - I would say yes (see Keane, Neville, Southgate, Robson, etc). Does Dwight's previous reputation as a party goer whilst playing help him - I would say no it's not going to help him one little bit.
But the Uk is full of racist institutions why would football be any different? Is there racism in football? I would say yes absolutely (as Dwight points out) the numbers don't match up.
You are right Keane, Neville, Southgate + Robson probably were fortunate, but they were nearly all legendary captains at club level and at some point Chairman will have to take a gamble on this type of character. I'd even say Shearer probably deserved a better crack at Newcastle. The fact of the matter is though, Yorke never showed any leadership qualities as a player so why the f-ck would any big club take a massive gamble on him.
Keane, Neville, Southgate and Robson were all TERRIBLE league managers - because they weren't prepared to learn their tradep roperly, starting at the bottom. To be fair Southgate at least takes it seriously.
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Load of bollix. Why doesn't he apply to manage Solihull Moors to start with?
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I've long forgiven him for his departure but there's no way he should get a job at a top club.
Let him work his way up as assistant manager or as manager of a lower league/non-league club first.
Suggesting that his skin colour is anything to do with our decision not to appoint a complete rookie is a pathetic low blow.
Indeed. The man is an utter bellend.
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Had Yorke got the Job I think we'd have all been re-quoting John Gregory within 5 or 6 games.
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Had Yorke got the Job I think we'd have all been re-quoting John Gregory within 5 or 6 games.
Also I'll never forget Everton away when he was clearly not trying so as to try and force his move to Man Ure. For these reasons he can never be considered a villa legend.
He lost all his B6 priveliges that day.
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Had Yorke got the Job I think we'd have all been re-quoting John Gregory within 5 or 6 games.
Also I'll never forget Everton away when he was clearly not trying so as to try and force his move to Man Ure. For these reasons he can never be considered a villa legend.
He lost all his B6 priveliges that day.
Along with the badge kissing after he left!
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http://talksport.com/football/listen-you-are-not-even-being-given-interview-let-alone-job-dwight-yorke-claims-aspiring (http://talksport.com/football/listen-you-are-not-even-being-given-interview-let-alone-job-dwight-yorke-claims-aspiring)
He 'can't get his head around' not getting an interview. Linking it to colour rather than being qualified/suitable.
There may be an underlying point here but I recall John Barnes using this as an excuse ignoring the fact that his managerial record was pretty poor.
And using the 'even though I had someone like Sir Alex ready to endorse me' line sadly brings back recent memories!
Paul Ince used throwing out similar statements after he got fired at Blackburn for being hopelessly out of his depth.
Accusing AVFC of racism for ignoring his "CV" is shameful to be honest. A blindingly brilliant player that I'll never forget but like many of them their true colours are never too far from the surface.
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There are 92 clubs in football in main 4 division and there are say 150 players who played for each team plus overseas coaches there are very few opportunities. If he really want to manage a football club, he can use his wealth to buy the like of York City or Port Vale whatever then be owner/manager. He also could consider coaching youth team and make a name for himself. Don't tell us what you are interested in or want, just do something to prove yourself. If I was a chairman/owner I wouldn't be interested in rookies for managers job.
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Ever since he kissed that badge at Old Trafford I've not given a tinker's cuss what he says, thinks or does.
Same here mate.We picked him up after he was spotted playing football on a beach and gave him a life beyond his wildest dreams. He showed a total lack of class and gratitude when he engineered a move to Old Toilet and followed it up with his badge kissing antics. Coupled with his sex & drugs videos and his treatment of his disabled son I'd say he's pretty far down on the list of suitable candidates for the difficult job of managing Aston Villa football club.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
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He'll always be a bit of a footballing hero for me despite everything. A truly superb player.
No where near currently qualified for the Villa job though.
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He'll always be a bit of a footballing hero for me despite everything. A truly superb player.
No where near currently qualified for the Villa job though.
This. Plus he first give the impression of having the right temperament.
I remember when Merson started managing Walsall and you just thought "really?!"
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I wonder if he sent a text when Man Ure were looking for a replacement for LVG. After all, it was their badge he loved kissing. If one is going to fantasise about one's qualifications, do it properly. If he is going to claim the colour of his skin is holding him back, he might as well claim it is holding him back from the management of Yanited.
Anyroadup Citeh are probably looking for a new manager this morning. He can drop them a text.
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There are 92 clubs in football in main 4 division and there are say 150 players who played for each team plus overseas coaches there are very few opportunities. If he really want to manage a football club, he can use his wealth to buy the like of York City or Port Vale whatever then be owner/manager. He also could consider coaching youth team and make a name for himself. Don't tell us what you are interested in or want, just do something to prove yourself. If I was a chairman/owner I wouldn't be interested in rookies for managers job.
Good idea. Rename the club "Yorke City", too.
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Do I think there is some form of racism in football? Yes
Do I think this had any bearing on Dwight 'zero English management experience' Yorke not getting an interview at a club this size, aspiring to be Premier League again? Not a chance
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Hundreds of people applying for a handful of jobs driving trains, Asda having a three interview process including group team building exercises and psychological personality testing to stack shelves and Yorkie thinks he's being unfairly treated following his text message application.
They really do live in another world don't they!
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Despite everything he's done since he left, I can't get over the fact he's the best player Villa have ever had since I started going to Villa Park.
And because of that, I can't bring myself to think of him as a bit of a bellend.
What a player he was.
C'mon though, Dwight, it was never going to happen.
I'm in this camp too. If he was serious about getting into coaching, I'd be delighted if he were to coach our youth sides. I imagine for the younger players he'd be great Villa Icon to have around the place.
Same goes for Ugo who now coaches Spurs under 23's and Daley who is fitness at Wolves.
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Despite everything he's done since he left, I can't get over the fact he's the best player Villa have ever had since I started going to Villa Park.
And because of that, I can't bring myself to think of him as a bit of a bellend.
What a player he was.
C'mon though, Dwight, it was never going to happen.
I'm in this camp too. If he was serious about getting into coaching, I'd be delighted if he were to coach our youth sides. I imagine for the younger players he'd be great Villa Icon to have around the place.
Same goes for Ugo who now coaches Spurs under 23's and Daley who is fitness at Wolves.
He left us 18 years ago and left old trafford 14 years ago.
Regardless of how highly I may have once regarded him he's no icon to anyone in our youth system.
I think you might be surprised at how few of our youth players would have heard of him.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
I didnt realise that level of dislike existed - you MUST have a serious issue with him to prefer that cock.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
I blame Doug.
He did nothing to endear his players to us for twenty years.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
Ray Houghton. The few times I've seen him punditing on our matches he's been downright hateful. Miserable looking bugger too. Does anyone know what awful thing the club did to him to have him despise is so much?
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
Ray Houghton. The few times I've seen him punditing on our matches he's been downright hateful. Miserable looking bugger too. Does anyone know what awful thing the club did to him to have him despise is so much?
doug allegedley amended his contract after he had signed it
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Look, he was barracked non-stop by Villa fana when we played ManUre that time so he was pretty wound-up after scoring. Don't dish it out of you can't take it. He clearly cares a lot about the club which is evident in his punditry and desire to manage us. He was the most complete footballer that perhaps ever played for us so just get some experience and you can lead us to the FA Cup in a few years.
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Yep, I'd have no problem with Yorke sometime in the future managing us if he'd proved himself elsewhere first. I'm also fully aware that if he did a good job for us he'd be "highly delighted" to be linked to a bigger club and gone like a shot if something like that came up.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
I didnt realise that level of dislike existed - you MUST have a serious issue with him to prefer that cock.
I don't like the way he left or disrespected the club in the following years. We gave him his chance and persevered with him for about three or four seasons before he blossomed and into a very good player. Then, just as we were building, potentially, a very good side he jumps ship - I just think he owed a little bit more loyalty to the club and fans at a very defining time. People will say he made the right decision considering what he went on to win at Man Utd but maybe he would have won a few trophies with us if he had stuck around?
I totally understand other fans appreciating him as a player and still having a fondness for him but, for me, that sentiment is just not there. I think part of the reason we developed the awful inferiority complex v Man Utd in the late nineties and noughties can be traced back to the very moment they tempted Yorke away from us. His departure was a huge blow and the manner of it left a scar that took considerable time to heal.
The fact that Yorke actually thinks he can simply get an interview for the Villa manager's job, in itself, despite having no experience as a coach, manager or anything similar strikes me as being hugely disrespectful, too. Let's see if he throws his hat in the ring for the Man Utd job when Mourinho gets the boot.
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Yep, I'd have no problem with Yorke sometime in the future managing us if he'd proved himself elsewhere first. I'm also fully aware that if he did a good job for us he'd be "highly delighted" to be linked to a bigger club and gone like a shot if something like that came up.
Which is the reason why he should never be our manager. If Xia genuinely has huge plans for Villa I would hope the likes of Yorke never get a sniff of the Villa job.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
I didnt realise that level of dislike existed - you MUST have a serious issue with him to prefer that cock.
I don't like the way he left or disrespected the club in the following years. We gave him his chance and persevered with him for about three or four seasons before he blossomed and into a very good player. Then, just as we were building, potentially, a very good side he jumps ship - I just think he owed a little bit more loyalty to the club and fans at a very defining time. People will say he made the right decision considering what he went on to win at Man Utd but maybe he would have won a few trophies with us if he had stuck around?
I totally understand other fans appreciating him as a player and still having a fondness for him but, for me, that sentiment is just not there. I think part of the reason we developed the awful inferiority complex v Man Utd in the late nineties and noughties can be traced back to the very moment they tempted Yorke away from us. His departure was a huge blow and the manner of it left a scar that took considerable time to heal.
The fact that Yorke actually thinks he can simply get an interview for the Villa manager's job, in itself, despite having no experience as a coach, manager or anything similar strikes me as being hugely disrespectful, too. Let's see if he throws his hat in the ring for the Man Utd job when Mourinho gets the boot.
no no, your right he is a snivelling little turd of absolutely no consequence. maybe he would get more of a welcome at sha, from comments he has made, there well suited.
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He'd already scored about 35 goals by the time Brian took over despite Atkinson often sticking him on the wing and dropping him as soon Saunders and Dalian were fit, not sure we were "persevering" with him. He was here 9 years but still owed us more loyalty?
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Brilliant player, but needs to actually try and prove himself or show any inclination to develop his coaching before he gets a big job.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
Ray Houghton. The few times I've seen him punditing on our matches he's been downright hateful. Miserable looking bugger too. Does anyone know what awful thing the club did to him to have him despise is so much?
I thought Ray was pretty misreable about us in the MON years but actually in the last few years he seems to have started bigging us up again as we've become much worse for some reason.
Bosnich is another one who's not overly positive about us when he's on TS but then again these guys did play for us during our glory days of the 90s so they know how big we should be and how poor we are nowadays.
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Brilliant player, but needs to actually try and prove himself or show any inclination to develop his coaching before he gets a big job.
Good job for him to take I think would be Trinidad and Tobago. Try and get them to a world cup (not impossible as they played in the 2006 one and Concacaf isn't that impossible region to qualify from).
Do that and clubs from europe will show an interest.
MLS might be an option aswell. Vieria is managing there and getting linked to Man. City and Arsenal.
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He'd already scored about 35 goals by the time Brian took over despite Atkinson often sticking him on the wing and dropping him as soon Saunders and Dalian were fit, not sure we were "persevering" with him. He was here 9 years but still owed us more loyalty?
My memory isn't what it used to be but I'm sure Yorke was very hit and miss (mainly miss) for us in his first few years. I think I recall Tommy Docherty writing in the local press something like, "If he ever makes it as a professional footballer then I'm Mao Tse-tung."
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He became a top class forward under Brian Little.
Hit and miss before that.
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I reckon starting every game and not being shunted to the wing is the main reason he became a more consistent goalscorer. And I think how well he worked with Savo gets a bit overlooked. Savo, and Charles the first season, set up a lot of his goals.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
Ray Houghton. The few times I've seen him punditing on our matches he's been downright hateful. Miserable looking bugger too. Does anyone know what awful thing the club did to him to have him despise is so much?
I thought Ray was pretty misreable about us in the MON years but actually in the last few years he seems to have started bigging us up again as we've become much worse for some reason.
Bosnich is another one who's not overly positive about us when he's on TS but then again these guys did play for us during our glory days of the 90s so they know how big we should be and how poor we are nowadays.
Bosnich tends to talk as if he spent his whole career at Chelsea. And talks like he had a glittering career there too.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
Ray Houghton. The few times I've seen him punditing on our matches he's been downright hateful. Miserable looking bugger too. Does anyone know what awful thing the club did to him to have him despise is so much?
I thought Ray was pretty misreable about us in the MON years but actually in the last few years he seems to have started bigging us up again as we've become much worse for some reason.
Houghton interview here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03hbbkb in it he doesn't speak badly of the club in fact ends with "sad decline of a massive club". Think it was in Jan when Garde didn't get any funds.
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
I didnt realise that level of dislike existed - you MUST have a serious issue with him to prefer that cock.
I think part of the reason we developed the awful inferiority complex v Man Utd in the late nineties and noughties can be traced back to the very moment they tempted Yorke away from us. His departure was a huge blow and the manner of it left a scar that took considerable time to heal.
Not being facetious but it could be argued that our inferiority complex towards ManUre began earlier, on that fateful afternoon a certain Mr Bruce helped to take the title away from us.
Also, as devastating as Dwight's departure was, we seemed to get over it pretty quickly as we spent the next six months around or at the top of the table. Inevitably it went to shit but I think we were cursing Collymore's troubles more and he was the big "If only..." rather than Yorke.
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I will never forgive Yorke for his non performance at Everton on opening game of season to force his move to Man Ure, compare that to James Milners v West Ham when he was going to Man City. Didn't he also say he was joining the biggest club in the City when he joined the sty? Anyone who says that should only be allowed to use plastic knives and forks, let alone manage a great football club
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
Ray Houghton. The few times I've seen him punditing on our matches he's been downright hateful. Miserable looking bugger too. Does anyone know what awful thing the club did to him to have him despise is so much?
I thought Ray was pretty misreable about us in the MON years but actually in the last few years he seems to have started bigging us up again as we've become much worse for some reason.
Bosnich is another one who's not overly positive about us when he's on TS but then again these guys did play for us during our glory days of the 90s so they know how big we should be and how poor we are nowadays.
Bosnich tends to talk as if he spent his whole career at Chelsea. And talks like he had a glittering career there too.
Shows you what cocaine can do to your memory, I guess,
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Yorke needs to get off his ass and get some experience in down the lower leagues just like Rowet, Little, Gregory, Taylor, Atkinson, Lambert... and erm Turner
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I have beyond Steve Hodge levels of dislike for Yorke. If I owned the Club I'd ban him from all Villa property for life. Whenever he is a pundit for Villa games I genuinely feel like switching off, indeed, I'd rather hear a Robbie Savage or Mickey Quinn talk Villa.
He was still a great player for us so I gloss over the punditry stuff....when was the last time he covered a game for us?
Mind you to totally contradict myself I can't stand David Platt for the same reasons! Most negative ex villa player in the media imo unless someone can come up with a better example beyond these two.
Ray Houghton. The few times I've seen him punditing on our matches he's been downright hateful. Miserable looking bugger too. Does anyone know what awful thing the club did to him to have him despise is so much?
I thought Ray was pretty misreable about us in the MON years but actually in the last few years he seems to have started bigging us up again as we've become much worse for some reason.
Bosnich is another one who's not overly positive about us when he's on TS but then again these guys did play for us during our glory days of the 90s so they know how big we should be and how poor we are nowadays.
Bosnich tends to talk as if he spent his whole career at Chelsea. And talks like he had a glittering career there too.
Laughs like a girl too.
The blokes a complete weapon.
He was also the first man I ever saw sporting a 'man bag' - what a twat.
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I know I've mentioned this before but on TV in Oz they once asked Bosnich which of his former teams he looked out for. His answer (and I quote) "Chelsea because I had a great time there and liked the area." for the record he played about 5 times for them in the LC.
Maybe the £45k a week, a serious cocaine habit and Sophie Anderton were what he was talking about but it certainly wasn't his playing record there.
Never mentions his embarressing stint at Man Utd ever.
File under arsehole.
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Yep, I'd have no problem with Yorke sometime in the future managing us if he'd proved himself elsewhere first. I'm also fully aware that if he did a good job for us he'd be "highly delighted" to be linked to a bigger club and gone like a shot if something like that came up.
Which is the reason why he should never be our manager.
Yep, nobody else who works in football, or indeed any other line of work, would think like that.
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I know I've mentioned this before but on TV in Oz they once asked Bosnich which of his former teams he looked out for. His answer (and I quote) "Chelsea because I had a great time there and liked the area." for the record he played about 5 times for them in the LC.
Maybe the £45k a week, a serious cocaine habit and Sophie Anderton were what he was talking about but it certainly wasn't his playing record there.
Never mentions his embarressing stint at Man Utd ever.
File under arsehole.
Bosnich is an absolute bellend off the park
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What's a weapon ?
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What's a weapon ?
A one-eyed trouser snake.
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I know I've mentioned this before but on TV in Oz they once asked Bosnich which of his former teams he looked out for. His answer (and I quote) "Chelsea because I had a great time there and liked the area." for the record he played about 5 times for them in the LC.
Maybe the £45k a week, a serious cocaine habit and Sophie Anderton were what he was talking about but it certainly wasn't his playing record there.
Never mentions his embarressing stint at Man Utd ever.
File under arsehole.
Blimey he is taking the mick surely? Chelsea sacked him for failing a drugs test.
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I know I've mentioned this before but on TV in Oz they once asked Bosnich which of his former teams he looked out for. His answer (and I quote) "Chelsea because I had a great time there and liked the area." for the record he played about 5 times for them in the LC.
Maybe the £45k a week, a serious cocaine habit and Sophie Anderton were what he was talking about but it certainly wasn't his playing record there.
Never mentions his embarressing stint at Man Utd ever.
File under arsehole.
Blimey he is taking the mick surely? Chelsea sacked him for failing a drugs test.
""Doing a Bozzie" was at one time a euphemism for someone running down his contract, which Bosnich did to us anyway, but for me it became synonymous with someone fucking up a perfectly serviceable career - which Bosnich also did.
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""Doing a Bozzie" was at one time a euphemism for someone running down his contract, which Bosnich did to us anyway, but for me it became synonymous with someone fucking up a perfectly serviceable career - which Bosnich also did.
I always had "Doing a Bozzie" as a euphemism for spurting your load over your fellow team mate in a dodgy home made porn vid.
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We've had a fair few mercenary twats at Villa. At least Bosnich was bloody good.
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Well this report definitely backs up York's case of racism in football (management) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38002436 Only 2 mangers in the English Leagues from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) background in Chris Hughton and Keith Curle - pish poor in other words and no improvement from the report 2 years earlier.
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I know I've mentioned this before but on TV in Oz they once asked Bosnich which of his former teams he looked out for. His answer (and I quote) "Chelsea because I had a great time there and liked the area." for the record he played about 5 times for them in the LC.
Maybe the £45k a week, a serious cocaine habit and Sophie Anderton were what he was talking about but it certainly wasn't his playing record there.
Never mentions his embarressing stint at Man Utd ever.
File under arsehole.
I seen him a few times on Fox Sport when I lived in Oz and he referred to Chelsea as 'we' and 'us.' Any time Villa were being discussed he sounded like he had about as much enthusiasm for us as Robbie Slater did (that is, not much). Odd, as we actually had a decent team then under DOL. It was about Nov/ Dec in the season just after we had finished sixth -when we still looked like a side on the up.
Perhaps insecurity took root. He thought the Aussies would have no idea who we were, so he wanted to associate himself with a successful Chelsea side. Even though he had little bearing on their actual success.
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Well this report definitely backs up York's case of racism in football (management) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38002436 Only 2 mangers in the English Leagues from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) background in Chris Hughton and Keith Curle - pish poor in other words and no improvement from the report 2 years earlier.
That's the sad thing. I'm certain there is institutional bias against black managers
It's just not helpful when people like Yorke and sol Campbell say it's what's holding them back
More instructive I think is that Paul ince had to start at mk dons while practically every other former fergie player went straight into a rich championship side, premier league side, or international manager position
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Well this report definitely backs up York's case of racism in football (management) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38002436 Only 2 mangers in the English Leagues from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) background in Chris Hughton and Keith Curle - pish poor in other words and no improvement from the report 2 years earlier.
That's the sad thing. I'm certain there is institutional bias against black managers
It's just not helpful when people like Yorke and sol Campbell say it's what's holding them back
More instructive I think is that Paul ince had to start at mk dons while practically every other former fergie player went straight into a rich championship side, premier league side, or international manager position
I don't care where Paul Ince had to start, isn't it generally recognised he was utter bobbins.
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Well this report definitely backs up York's case of racism in football (management) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38002436 Only 2 mangers in the English Leagues from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) background in Chris Hughton and Keith Curle - pish poor in other words and no improvement from the report 2 years earlier.
That's the sad thing. I'm certain there is institutional bias against black managers
It's just not helpful when people like Yorke and sol Campbell say it's what's holding them back
More instructive I think is that Paul ince had to start at mk dons while practically every other former fergie player went straight into a rich championship side, premier league side, or international manager position
I don't care where Paul Ince had to start, isn't it generally recognised he was utter bobbins.
I don't buy the racism card here. Football is a success / results driven industry and it wouldn't matter one jot if the candidate for the job had three heads, was purple and came from Mars - If it was thought that they would or could be successful they would get the job. As has already been mentioned what are Dwight's credentials to be a manager? Terry Connor and Chris Powell are both currently working as assistant managers , both had a go at being manager without success but I haven't heard either blame race as the reason for their stepping down and both are still happy being in football . There are many black ex players out there who I believe have the ability to be managers but for whatever reason have chosen not to ( Our very own Ian Taylor being one! ) they have chosen other roles in the game including punditry and appear content but maybe just maybe didn't want to be managers?
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Well this report definitely backs up York's case of racism in football (management) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38002436 Only 2 mangers in the English Leagues from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) background in Chris Hughton and Keith Curle - pish poor in other words and no improvement from the report 2 years earlier.
That's the sad thing. I'm certain there is institutional bias against black managers
It's just not helpful when people like Yorke and sol Campbell say it's what's holding them back
More instructive I think is that Paul ince had to start at mk dons while practically every other former fergie player went straight into a rich championship side, premier league side, or international manager position
I don't care where Paul Ince had to start, isn't it generally recognised he was utter bobbins.
I don't buy the racism card here. Football is a success / results driven industry and it wouldn't matter one jot if the candidate for the job had three heads, was purple and came from Mars - If it was thought that they would or could be successful they would get the job. As has already been mentioned what are Dwight's credentials to be a manager? Terry Connor and Chris Powell are both currently working as assistant managers , both had a go at being manager without success but I haven't heard either blame race as the reason for their stepping down and both are still happy being in football . There are many black ex players out there who I believe have the ability to be managers but for whatever reason have chosen not to ( Our very own Ian Taylor being one! ) they have chosen other roles in the game including punditry and appear content but maybe just maybe didn't want to be managers?
Aren't the stats about black managers reflected in pretty much every aspect of the sport apart from the players though? How many black referees are there? What percentage of most people in grounds up and down the land on match days are black? Players aside, it's an overwhelmingly 'white' sport (not saying that is right, just an observation).
Yorke might have good intentions, but I get the impression that he just wants to walk into a job where he can have all the media interest and attention on him again. Let's face it, his reputation isn't exactly one that carries a lot of gravitas either. Saying that, I'm sure lower league clubs would love to have someone with his profile as their manager and the likes of Nigel Clough and Martin O'Neill started their managerial careers in non league football.
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Personally, any player who taunts our fans by kissing another sides badge in front of them should never be considered for a managers position here, regardless of race or religion.
And yes, I am petty.
With regards Yorke, what is the point in wasting his and everyone elses time by interviewing him for a job that he was never going to get? It is ridiculous to put that down to racism.
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Worth considering the ethnic breakdown of the population plus look at the amount of asian players playing professionally
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Has anyone asked Dwight what the reason is behind the fact that, despite the backing of his friends in the media, his former teammate, Ryan Giggs, hasn't simply walked into a top flight job? Perhaps the answer is that most clubs now want some sort of coaching pedigree, and in the Premier League that is increasingly a degree of success in a major European league/managing at international level.
If Yorke, or any other ex-player come to that, wants the top jobs they need to assess the reality of what it takes to get the them. Coaching badges plus a stint coaching abroad or working your way up the ladder at a club, beginning with the kids. Alternatively, look at the apprenticeships some of the top managers he worked for had before they got to the club he signed for: Lincoln City, Watford...; East Stirlingshire, St Mirren, Aberdeen...
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Has anyone asked Dwight what the reason is behind the fact that, despite the backing of his friends in the media, his former teammate, Ryan Giggs, hasn't simply walked into a top flight job? Perhaps the answer is that most clubs now want some sort of coaching pedigree, and in the Premier League that is increasingly a degree of success in a major European league/managing at international level.
If Yorke, or any other ex-player come to that, wants the top jobs they need to assess the reality of what it takes to get the them. Coaching badges plus a stint coaching abroad or working your way up the ladder at a club, beginning with the kids. Alternatively, look at the apprenticeships some of the top managers he worked for had before they got to the club he signed for: Lincoln City, Watford...; East Stirlingshire, St Mirren, Aberdeen...
He's Welsh and you'd be drowned in phlegm every time he spoke to you?
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Worth considering the ethnic breakdown of the population plus look at the amount of asian players playing professionally
Peter w to the thread please.
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Are any black players held back due their colour - I don't think so
Why is Chris Hughton so sought after as a Manager (I would have broke the bank for him) - err maybe its because he is good at it?
Would like to see the list of Black ex players that have actually applied themselves to be a Manager and have been turned down - and I do not mean pricks like Yorke who thinks he has a divine rite to be a Manager of a premiership club.
Earn the right, like you did as a player
Considering how many black players there are in all forms of football why would a Manager be held back if they were proven and had the ability - irrespective of their colour or background?
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Interesting article. I've put it here as its about racism and football and this thread has veered into that subject.
WARNING:Contains Adrian Chiles and WBA
The match that pitted white players against black players: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37924448
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I'm missing something here, I think. yorke to my mind didn't get near VP because his a cock.
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Are any black players held back due their colour - I don't think so
Why is Chris Hughton so sought after as a Manager (I would have broke the bank for him) - err maybe its because he is good at it?
Would like to see the list of Black ex players that have actually applied themselves to be a Manager and have been turned down - and I do not mean pricks like Yorke who thinks he has a divine rite to be a Manager of a premiership club.
Earn the right, like you did as a player
Considering how many black players there are in all forms of football why would a Manager be held back if they were proven and had the ability - irrespective of their colour or background?
It seems credible to me. A bit like American football where black players were trusted to do the running but not to be the brains as the quarter back - until I think there was a really successful black quarterback a few years ago. Not sure if that trend had changed. Similarly practically all of the best basketball players have been black for ages, but the vast bulk of the coaches were white
I remember Ron noades saying he loved his skilful black players but thy couldn't be trusted to put a shift in in the winter. I just don't think there was ever any evidence for that at all.
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Interesting article. I've put it here as its about racism and football and this thread has veered into that subject.
WARNING:Contains Adrian Chiles and WBA
The match that pitted white players against black players: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37924448
Good article. Bob Hazell who it says played in that game. He had a son Reuben, who was at villa as a kid before going to tranmere for quite a few years. I used to play with him in the handsworth little league. As a complete aside, there were quite a few players who were much more talented than him, but who I don't think ever got near the game. I'm sure that's entirely natural but I bet in Germany kids would have been coached by UEFA qualified coaches, rather than the off duty policemen that we were!
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Or another reason could be too much money in the game
How many Managers look like they age ten years for every one they manage?
How many have had serious, and in some cases life threatening, illnesses linked to the pressure of being a Manager
A lot of the players today earn so much money whilst playing why would they want to put themselves through that? There are just as many white footballers who also choose not to be a manager or if they do, do not get the chance they would like
Paul Ince (Not helped I'm sure by his persona of "The Guvnor" ) is case in point - very good player, went into management at the right level, had several clubs but ultimately proved to be not very good at it. Just like I am sure many white players have
Sheringham
Bobby Charlton
Gary Neville
to name a few - I really cannot accept that it is because of their colour - I think it is a cheap shot to claim it to cover up their seemingly lack of motivation or ability to become a manager
As for Asian players it is a case of generations being intrinsically linked to cricket rather than football. I lived in Smethwick for years and the parks were empty of footballers but every weekend there were loads playing cricket as to the youth of the area it was the game they were brought up on. Today and several generations on many young men follow football as their main sport and as such when they have kids they would be encouraged to play it and the better ones will be picked up.
I do not know but I would imagine there are many British born Asians plying their trade in the lower divisions and it is only a matter of time before some of them break into the higher leagues - just like it did with black players in the early 60's
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I think he may have a point about the issue around the lack of black managers in the game. I'm not convinced that football in this country is racist in general. But it is a surprise that there are less around. It might be more of a socialty thing.
But yeah it is a bit of a joke than Dwight expected to be in the running for our job just because he was a successful player for us. Odd.
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I love this guy for what he did as a player but I would not be happy seeing him in the Villa Park dugout. Its nothing to do with his colour he has no experience of management (does he even have the right coaching badges?) and just doesn't strike me as someone who is tactically aware. Plus the way he ignores his duties as a father to his disabled son is a disgrace and I know that has nothing to do with football but I like to think Aston Villa employs decent people with a moral compass as well as a football brain.
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I love this guy for what he did as a player but I would not be happy seeing him in the Villa Park dugout. Its nothing to do with his colour he has no experience of management (does he even have the right coaching badges?) and just doesn't strike me as someone who is tactically aware. Plus the way he ignores his duties as a father to his disabled son is a disgrace and I know that has nothing to do with football but I like to think Aston Villa employs decent people with a moral compass as well as a football brain.
Oh didn't know about him having a disable son. Yeah that is fair comment.
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I know I've mentioned this before but on TV in Oz they once asked Bosnich which of his former teams he looked out for. His answer (and I quote) "Chelsea because I had a great time there and liked the area." for the record he played about 5 times for them in the LC.
Maybe the £45k a week, a serious cocaine habit and Sophie Anderton were what he was talking about but it certainly wasn't his playing record there.
Never mentions his embarressing stint at Man Utd ever.
File under arsehole.
About two weeks before he signed, a Wolves fan at work told me that Fergie was only signing him to fuck him around. This was punishment for not coming back to Mold Trafford when he managed to get a work permit and signing for us instead. I scoffed at him at the time but he was pretty much spot on. Bozzie barely played for them but was given a starting spot against us so he would get loads of abuse.
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Bollocks
He played 23 times in his first season but was let go because fergie realised he was a terrible professional