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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on September 20, 2016, 09:39:25 PM
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Apparently the biggest Championship match of the season so far will be live on Skysports. (According to Skysports)
It's a shame Wolves couldn't take them to extra time tonight.
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Wonder if our banner man has got one ready to drop down if we beat them 😂😂 2-0 grealis & Bacunna.
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Apparently the biggest Championship match of the season so far will be live on Skysports. (According to Skysports)
It's a shame Wolves couldn't take them to extra time tonight.
Good job I read this post because for some reason I had it in my head this was a 3:00 kick off.
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Fuck it. I'm being entreated by the media to act as if this is a derby game. The Newcastle fans who wait outside the away end to have a pop causing agro to start between us and them are suggesting I treat this as a derby game. I found relegating them again, just as hilarious as the first time of asking.
So why not? If ever the "it's going to click" argument was the bear fruit, then this is the game. 4-1 Villa, and you can fuck off as well you fat, Coventry, horse neglecting ******.
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Please God, win this game.
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Pick the right team. Said team does not include Westwood. The middle of the park is key.
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"Obsessed with Villa, we know what you are"
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What is it with Quinn and horses?
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Pick the right team. Said team does not include Westwood. The middle of the park is key.
I suspect it does. Tshibola apparently didn't look that ready for the under 23s? I presume nobody would pick Gardner over Westwood?
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What is it with Quinn and horses?
He fancies 'em, but not in a good way.
Neigh!
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What is it with Quinn and horses?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/jun/29/horseracing.kenoliver
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Pick the right team. Said team does not include Westwood. The middle of the park is key.
I suspect it does. Tshibola apparently didn't look that ready for the under 23s? I presume nobody would pick Gardner over Westwood?
I think he got sent off.
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1-1. Meanwhile Quinn will post more comments about us this week.
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Hoping McCormack is fit. Though I think there's a good case for 433 and that would mean him playing out of position- e.g. on the left of the attacking three
Also wonder if adomah comes into the reckoning. I'd probably keep ayew to be honest.
Gollini
Chester elphick baker cissokho
Westwood Jedinak grealish
Ayew kodjia McCormack
Subs: bunn bacuna Richards Amavi Tshibola adomah gestede
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They really do hate us, I think any other club in the country (maybe apart from Liverpool) would have long forgotten the 'incident', take themselves far too seriously them Geordies do.
We'll probably draw.
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What is it with Quinn and horses?
Incest?
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What is it with Quinn and horses?
Incest?
No, incest is with relatives so that would be donkeys rather than horses.
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Hoping McCormack is fit. Though I think there's a good case for 433 and that would mean him playing out of position- e.g. on the left of the attacking three
Also wonder if adomah comes into the reckoning. I'd probably keep ayew to be honest.
Gollini
Chester elphick baker cissokho
Westwood Jedinak grealish
Ayew kodjia McCormack
Subs: bunn bacuna Richards Amavi Tshibola adomah gestede
Adomah needs to start plus Tshibola in for Westwood.
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Due a win, 1-0 Kodjia 76mins
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Who knows which way this one will go with Football and Championship the way it is. Not sure whether being the home team improves our chances or not. They will be egger to atone for the Wolves result. Hopefully the crowd can be a big alley on our side, but I gotta be honest last week was probably only a blip for them. We have a lot of work to do. 0-1 to them.
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Who knows which way this one will go with Football and Championship the way it is. Not sure whether being the home team improves our chances or not. They will be egger to atone for the Wolves result. Hopefully the crowd can be a big alley on our side, but I gotta be honest last week was probably only a blip for them. We have a lot of work to do. 0-1 to them.
If the crowd is a big alley?
Have you ever tried to negotiate "Lovers Walk" from Aston Station against a fierce North Wind and battled through sloughs of leaf mulch and mulch more which should not be mentioned on a family website?
The humanity!
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At least with this match people might not be predicting a walloping of the opposition - so less pressure on the players compared to previous? I'll take any psychological boost.
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Grealish may not start after more hippy crack allegations I guess . . .
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Hoping McCormack is fit. Though I think there's a good case for 433 and that would mean him playing out of position- e.g. on the left of the attacking three
Also wonder if adomah comes into the reckoning. I'd probably keep ayew to be honest.
Gollini
Chester elphick baker cissokho
Westwood Jedinak grealish
Ayew kodjia McCormack
Subs: bunn bacuna Richards Amavi Tshibola adomah gestede
Something like that, but:
Gollini
Bacuna elphick Chester cissokho
Adomah Westwood Jedinak grealish
kodjia McCormack
Subs: bunn Baker Richards Amavi Tshibola Ayew gestede
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I hope that the 'hippy crack allegations' don't lead to him being dropped. Tequila is infinitely more potent and it'd be sort of ok if he was doing that on Saturday (although preferable if he was doing neither).
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I hope that the 'hippy crack allegations' don't lead to him being dropped. Tequila is infinitely more potent and it'd be sort of ok if he was doing that on Saturday (although preferable if he was doing neither).
All this 'Hippy Crack' bollocks, is exactly that. Daily mail my arse.
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At least with this match people might not be predicting a walloping of the opposition - so less pressure on the players compared to previous? I'll take any psychological boost.
We will smash them. :)
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Another draw for me at best
Otherwise it could be a late winner for them, more pressure on RDM
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I'll be interested to see Jedinak in this big game. I've just never been that impressed by him and so far he's played up to what I've seen before. But he's obviously got something that's impressed others. We definitely need him for this one.
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I agree Matt, at the moment I am struggling to see how Jedinak improves the team, he looks like a player who is here for the last few years of his career, and we have given him his pension contract!
I hope that he improves, hopefully when Tisch, plays alongside him
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We're such a dysfunctional club we might well miraculously scrape a win, but that would make me happy, and evidently that's not why Aston Villa exist on this earth. More misery / frustration beckons.
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Doc Xia will expect us to win.He will not expect us to lose.We had better win then!
2-1
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2-2, Jedinak and a late equaliser from Hippy Jack
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3-1 win. I will be watching this at a wedding reception in West flipping Bromwich.
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a wedding reception in West flipping Bromwich.
:o
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Least the bride won't have to change her surname.
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Fuck it. I'm being entreated by the media to act as if this is a derby game. The Newcastle fans who wait outside the away end to have a pop causing agro to start between us and them are suggesting I treat this as a derby game. I found relegating them again, just as hilarious as the first time of asking.
So why not? If ever the "it's going to click" argument was the bear fruit, then this is the game. 4-1 Villa, and you can fuck off as well you fat, Coventry, horse neglecting c***.
I have much more time for Sunderland. I don't believe I am the only Villa with this train of thought.
Newcastle seem to have assembled a good side so our players will have to be up for this scrap on Saturday (and our fans also need to create a cauldron of Villa support). I have to say I would be elated if we beat them and then we also got the better of Barnsley on Tuesday night. Crisis? What crisis eh?
Regards
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I really worry for this one. It would not be fun at all to lose this, and I think we might well lose it badly.
That said, we might absolutely fuck them if the forwards can get it to work. It's an outside hope, but it's all I've got.
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We are going to win 2-1.
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There's obviously a few players carrying knocks but would want to see Tshibola and McCormack both play as we look lightweight in midfield without the former and short on ideas up front without the latter
I'd like to see us go Gollini, Bacuna, Elphick, Chester, Cissokho, Tshibola, Jedinak, Westwood, Adomah, McCormack, Kodija
Subs: Bunn, Richards, Amavi, Gardner, Grealish, Ayew, Gestede (if fit), Hepburn-Murphy (if Gestede injured)
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Is Tshibola available or suspended for getting sent off (2 yellows) for the under 23's?
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That said, we might absolutely fuck them if the forwards can get it to work. It's an outside hope, but it's all I've got.
Let's hope Clark plays for them then :)
A Villa win and a clean sheet...2-0
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I will be missing the game and probably won't see any highlights until late. During the match I'll be watching 10,000 Russos, In Zaire and The New Candys at Liverpool PsychFest
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3-1 win. I will be watching this at a wedding reception in West flipping Bromwich.
Sounds comparable to the depths of hell. I think the experience will be made worse still (if possible) with a 1-2 result.
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Is Tshibola available or suspended for getting sent off (2 yellows) for the under 23's?
Think he's available for selection.
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I reckon 2-0 to the barcodes I hope I'm wrong.
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It's not often that you are wrong Darren Woolley but yes I do hope you are this time.
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2-2, Jedinak and a late equaliser from Hippy Jack
Really? I don't think Jedi will be anywhere near opposition goal let alone score in matches I have watched!
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I think this will be different to our home games so in that Newcastle won't sit back meaning they may be easier to break down. Whether our defence will cope at the other end is an entirely different matter.
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Draw or loss. We don't do wins.
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Sorry fellas, no way we win this one.
I don't know how anyone can vote for or expect a win with our current form.
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2-0 home win.
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Sorry fellas, no way we win this one.
I don't know how anyone can vote for or expect a win with our current form.
Unbeaten in 3, haven't lost at home in a league game since 23rd April. Nailed on home win or draw :-)
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Nailed on win? Bolocks
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Hoping McCormack is fit. Though I think there's a good case for 433 and that would mean him playing out of position- e.g. on the left of the attacking three
Also wonder if adomah comes into the reckoning. I'd probably keep ayew to be honest.
Gollini
Chester elphick baker cissokho
Westwood Jedinak grealish
Ayew kodjia McCormack
Subs: bunn bacuna Richards Amavi Tshibola adomah gestede
Something like that, but:
Gollini
Bacuna elphick Chester cissokho
Adomah Westwood Jedinak grealish
kodjia McCormack
Subs: bunn Baker Richards Amavi Tshibola Ayew gestede
Now I like the look of that. Balance and enough on bench to change it if need be
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2-2, Jedinak and a late equaliser from Hippy Jack
Villa scoring a late equaliser? Are you on hippy crack?
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This could actually suit us more than the other games this season. I'd expect Newcastle to be far more attack minded than most of our opposition. They'll take the game to us. We look decent defensively (when we don't do something stupid). I'd like us to utilize our pace on the counter a bit more. Kodija, Ayew and Adomah could cause Newcastle problems. I think Jack could be key (if he is allowed to play) as he could be the one to draw defenders to him and create space for others. Jedinak needs to sit and hold and I'd stick (fitness permitting) either Tish or Lyden next to him).
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Obviously a really tough game. But we're undefeated at home and have come nowhere near that being threatened. I'd say that for more than half of our minutes at home we've been really excellent too. So let's not do ourselves down too much. They're the best team in the league but they're not fucking man citeh.
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As much as a win would be absolutely buzzing, I don't think we can afford to lose and the gap to the top become even bigger, especially with winnable games coming up after this one, that being said, an undeserved lucky win will go down a treat
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More misery
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Gollini
Bacuna Chester Elphick Cisshoko
Adomah Tshibola Jedinak Amavi
McCormack
Kodija
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Can't see Grealish starting in this one, Tayls_7 team above may not be far wrong, as long as Tsh and McCormack are both fit
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I think Jack will be given a week off.We really need a good result to boost confidence.Lets hope we get one.
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3-2 to us.
Kodjia with the winner.
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Fuck the fuckers (Geordies). Lets tear them apart.
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3 wins from our last 45 league games.
We must be due a win.
1-0 the Villa.
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3 wins from our last 45 league games.
We must be due a win.
1-0 the Villa.
If that stat is 100% accurate we're doomed I tell you!
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It is accurate, although if you add on an extra league game it takes it to 4 wins from 46.
That's a 2% increase in our win rate. Every little helps.
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Really looking forward to this game - I've got nothing against Newcastle personally, but the "little grudge" they have against us just adds spice to this fixture.
I know they've got higher attendances than us over the last few years, but, bigger club than us ? - Never.
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Gollini
Bacuna Chester Elphick Cisshoko
Adomah Tshibola Jedinak Amavi
McCormack
Kodija
Replace Amavi with Ayew, if they are all fit, this would be my side too. Maybe Amavi at left back.
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It is accurate, although if you add on an extra league game it takes it to 4 wins from 46.
That's a 2% increase in our win rate. Every little helps.
In medical world that's huge.
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More misery
Yes I thought it would be.....
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Gollini
Bacuna Chester Elphick Cisshoko
Adomah Tshibola Jedinak Amavi
McCormack
Kodija
Replace Amavi with Ayew, if they are all fit, this would be my side too. Maybe Amavi at left back.
Has anyone actually seen anything in Amavi to suggest he could be LM going forward - I think he has been gash
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Gollini
Bacuna Chester Elphick Cisshoko
Adomah Tshibola Jedinak Amavi
McCormack
Kodija
Replace Amavi with Ayew, if they are all fit, this would be my side too. Maybe Amavi at left back.
Has anyone actually seen anything in Amavi to suggest he could be LM going forward - I think he has been gash
Not really, I don't rate him as a full back either
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I thought he played pretty well the other day.
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I am worried that RDM isn't shaving. You that is the first sign of of a decline of ones mind to madness. See Sherwood, T and Lambert, P for reference and further evidence.
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I am worried that RDM isn't shaving. You that is the first sign of of a decline of ones mind to madness. See Sherwood, T and Lambert, P for reference and further evidence.
Forrest Gump.
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Gollini
Bacuna Chester Elphick Cisshoko
Adomah Tshibola Jedinak Amavi
McCormack
Kodija
Replace Amavi with Ayew, if they are all fit, this would be my side too. Maybe Amavi at left back.
Has anyone actually seen anything in Amavi to suggest he could be LM going forward - I think he has been gash
Had a decent cross on him but seems to lack the heart and desire, bottled a fair few challenges too.
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Gollini
Bacuna Chester Elphick Cisshoko
Adomah Tshibola Jedinak Amavi
McCormack
Kodija
Replace Amavi with Ayew, if they are all fit, this would be my side too. Maybe Amavi at left back.
Has anyone actually seen anything in Amavi to suggest he could be LM going forward - I think he has been gash
Had a decent cross on him but seems to lack the heart and desire, bottled a fair few challenges too.
Ok, ok. I'll swap Amavi for Ayew provided I can still leave Mr.Westwood out.
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We'll smash their back doors in. 2-1
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1-0 or 2-1.
This will probably mean us hanging on by the skin....... till the final whistle again but I'll take it.
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We'll smash their back doors in. 2-1
Ooooh behave
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Wonder if our banner man has got one ready to drop down if we beat them 😂😂 2-0 grealis & Bacunna.
Speaking of banners. I really wish the club would take down the European Cup commentary banners. It just seems so desperate and small time.
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It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife. Or something.
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Wonder if our banner man has got one ready to drop down if we beat them 😂😂 2-0 grealis & Bacunna.
Speaking of banners. I really wish the club would take down the European Cup commentary banners. It just seems so desperate and small time.
Really? The pinnacle of our history, it should absolutely be displayed proudly.
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Joy to the world!!
we really can sing it, we really can
UR just a f s w
and the truth shell set you free................
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Banner: "Ooh, fancy seeing you here."
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http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-owe-aston-villa-11921299
They're still banging on about that then? Fucking drama queens, the lot of them.
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2-2, Jedinak and a late equaliser from Hippy Jack
Really? I don't think Jedi will be anywhere near opposition goal let alone score in matches I have watched!
I'll settle for him getting somewhere near the oppo players.
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Can't see us beating them with our current form. 1-1.
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2-2, Jedinak and a late equaliser from Hippy Jack
Really? I don't think Jedi will be anywhere near opposition goal let alone score in matches I have watched!
I'll settle for him getting somewhere near the oppo players.
Me too. He needs to start having an influence.
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http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-owe-aston-villa-11921299
They're still banging on about that then? Fucking drama queens, the lot of them.
That's just pathetic. I really can't see what's so difficult to understand. We laughed at them when we relegated them the first time because they take themselves so seriously. We laughed even harder in May because they came for revenge and we relegated them again. Honestly, what's not funny about that?!
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It's also not a "they" it's just that fat twat Quinn who as been whining on Twitter. Summed up by how thick he is.
Their side did not offer one attacking threat whatsoever throughout the game and ended up drawing 0-0 yet some Villa fans celebrated widely.
What is that all about?
It baffles me, it really does
Of course it does chubby, it would require actually having a brain to realise that a big part of the celebration was ending a run of 11 straight defeats. That it helped relegate Newcastle just made it funny.
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0-4.....
Someone had to say it!
We are nowhere near their performance levels yet, RDM ain't seen nothing yet if he thought the Brentford booing was bad!
Now, go and prove me wrong....
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Quinn is a big fat crybaby. So is Carver. The Geordies I've met have been sound. The 'feud' is pathetic.
Our recent record against them is awful. 1-1.
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A heavy 'QPR style' defeat and the angst starts in earnest.
Familiar territory.
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A heavy 'QPR style' defeat and the angst starts in earnest.
Familiar territory.
You mean a 6-0 defeat would be familiar territory for this season? I'm far from impressed to say the least with how we've started, but at home we've not looked like losing and indeed we haven't. They've actually lost more games than us too.
We may get beat, but 6-0? Come on.
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I always liked Newcastle, hated all the "Toon Army" "Wor Kev" hype but my trips there have always been great and I have respect for them and the fans. I laughed my bollocks off when they went down mind but then it's a natural thing to do in such a partisan sport.
And my attitude will just make the likes of Quinn even angrier.
Which is nice.
Narrow victory and the horses go hungry once again.
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2-2, Jedinak and a late equaliser from Hippy Jack
Really? I don't think Jedi will be anywhere near opposition goal let alone score in matches I have watched!
I'll settle for him getting somewhere near the oppo players.
Me too. He needs to start having an influence.
I hope I am wrong but we may have bought Jedinak a season too late in his career.It could be another Lescott situation unless he still has enough in his tank to make his mark at B6.
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This is my concern too
Still, Westwood will get all the blame regardless
Hopefully Tshibola's energy can start making a difference soon
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This is my concern too
Still, Westwood will get all the blame regardless
Hopefully Tshibola's energy can start making a difference soon
There's a reason for that Matt. He's shit.
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This is my concern too
Still, Westwood will get all the blame regardless
Hopefully Tshibola's energy can start making a difference soon
Thing is I don't think Westwood is that bad, he's just an easy and lazy target. I've seen him do alright, and more importantly a lot of players do a lot worse than him. In the game against Brentford he was the only player in the second half driving to get some urgency into the team. He's clearly not a combative midfielder, that should be Jedinak's role, but he's having to cover that role.
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I don't know why Westwood gets all the stick, it's a bandwagon without logic, at one game last season for eighty minutes a supporter behind me consistently gave him grief I finally turned round and said you do know that's Vertout not Westwood. 1:0 Jedi scores
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This is my concern too
Still, Westwood will get all the blame regardless
Hopefully Tshibola's energy can start making a difference soon
Thing is I don't think Westwood is that bad, he's just an easy and lazy target. I've seen him do alright, and more importantly a lot of players do a lot worse than him. In the game against Brentford he was the only player in the second half driving to get some urgency into the team. He's clearly not a combative midfielder, that should be Jedinak's role, but he's having to cover that role.
Apart from having no defensive qualities, only possessing a perfunctory standard of passing and lacking zero desire to discover the part of the playing field known as the opposition's 18yd box Westwood is a star in the making and we should continue to allow him to perform a significant role in our demise. Oh, did I mention his unerring ability to put the rare shots he does have wide of the target or his laughable set pieces? Lazy indeed.
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Seems like it isn't just Villa that Newcastle like waiting for outside the away end: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2016/09/22/wolves-fans-tell-how-coins-rained-down-after-newcastle-game/
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I am going for a draw,1-1,although if Clark is playing for them i would fancy us to edge it
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I am going for a draw,1-1,although if Clark is playing for them i would fancy us to edge it
If he does play, it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception he gets.
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One thing's for absolute certain about this game, if we sit back to protect a lead we will end up without a lead.
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I hope we get another result and take the piss out of these self important nob sacks. Pretty certain they will hold an anniversary dinner 10 years to the day when we relegated them (the first time not the second) where they all pledge undying hatred of us and swear by their first born sons that they will have revenge, whatever it takes.
Pathetic bunch of fat, deluded pricks.
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2-2 after being 2-0 up.
Howlers from Westwood and Gollini letting the dreadful Jawdies back into it.
Wouldn't it be great to win this and win it well, though. Might just break the Mags altogether.
We'd probably have to ban them from future visits to Villa Park, just for their own mental wellbeing.
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0-0. A nervy 0-0.
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I am going for a draw,1-1,although if Clark is playing for them i would fancy us to edge it
If he does play, it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception he gets.
Indifference you would think. If he's clapped I'd be struggling to think what for, and if he's booed likewise.
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I am going for a draw,1-1,although if Clark is playing for them i would fancy us to edge it
If he does play, it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception he gets.
Hopefully a bad one. I used to like Clark, but he was a key contributor to our downfall last season and couldn't wait to jump ship this summer. His recent interviews about Newcastle being a "massive club" have left a sour taste in the mouth too.
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I am going for a draw,1-1,although if Clark is playing for them i would fancy us to edge it
If he does play, it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception he gets.
Hopefully a bad one. I used to like Clark, but he was a key contributor to our downfall last season and couldn't wait to jump ship this summer. His recent interviews about Newcastle being a "massive club" have left a sour taste in the mouth too.
Massive Club ?
They've won what since 1969 ? and I think that's their only trophy since the 1950s.
I said yesterday, I've not really got anything against Newcastle, but I've always thought they've always been the blue eyed boys of English football.
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Probably just the normal going through the motions statements that you normally get with players at new clubs. He played quite a few games for us, was largely a bit shit and to my delight he left. I think complete ignorance of him would be the best and most likely thing. I think if he plays, he'll make his usual cock up, and we should get a draw 1-1, if he doesn't play I'm not confident and think it'll be 0-1.
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Exactly castlefields_villan.
This was in the BM yesterday and pretty much echoes that sentiment;
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-ciaran-clark-11924556
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This is my concern too
Still, Westwood will get all the blame regardless
Hopefully Tshibola's energy can start making a difference soon
Thing is I don't think Westwood is that bad, he's just an easy and lazy target. I've seen him do alright, and more importantly a lot of players do a lot worse than him. In the game against Brentford he was the only player in the second half driving to get some urgency into the team. He's clearly not a combative midfielder, that should be Jedinak's role, but he's having to cover that role.
Apart from having no defensive qualities, only possessing a perfunctory standard of passing and lacking zero desire to discover the part of the playing field known as the opposition's 18yd box Westwood is a star in the making and we should continue to allow him to perform a significant role in our demise. Oh, did I mention his unerring ability to put the rare shots he does have wide of the target or his laughable set pieces? Lazy indeed.
His pass completion rate this season is around 80%, which suggests at a minimum he keeps things ticking over. As I said against Brentford he was the one midfielder trying to drive us forward. I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, but he is unfairly targeted every time we play poorly. If he was playing in a role where his main focus was distribution of the ball he'd be fine.
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I am going for a draw,1-1,although if Clark is playing for them i would fancy us to edge it
If he does play, it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception he gets.
Hopefully a bad one. I used to like Clark, but he was a key contributor to our downfall last season and couldn't wait to jump ship this summer. His recent interviews about Newcastle being a "massive club" have left a sour taste in the mouth too.
Massive Club ?
They've won what since 1969 ? and I think that's their only trophy since the 1950s.
I said yesterday, I've not really got anything against Newcastle, but I've always thought they've always been the blue eyed boys of English football.
They are the only ones who think that to be fair. They like to think they are everyone's "second favourite team" and it doesn't help that the media constantly peddle that myth and go on about how great their supporters are. It's why they react so badly when they are criticised and still hold a grudge against us for a couple of banners.
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FFS if I get sent one more article about a bloody bed sheet in 2009 I'm going to explode. Every year the stories get more and more ridiculous, the eruption of sheer joy at the final whistle like we'd won the world cup, the champagne corks flying and street parties that followed long into the night, the civic reception for our victorious squad - just fuckin fuck off Newcastle. And another thing if all you can do is spout off constant jabs about our home attendances have a look at yours prior to ground expansion, average gates at St James' Park in the 80s and 90s were pathetic. If we're going to hit 6 at home this season I really hope its tomorrow.
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This is my concern too
Still, Westwood will get all the blame regardless
Hopefully Tshibola's energy can start making a difference soon
Thing is I don't think Westwood is that bad, he's just an easy and lazy target. I've seen him do alright, and more importantly a lot of players do a lot worse than him. In the game against Brentford he was the only player in the second half driving to get some urgency into the team. He's clearly not a combative midfielder, that should be Jedinak's role, but he's having to cover that role.
Apart from having no defensive qualities, only possessing a perfunctory standard of passing and lacking zero desire to discover the part of the playing field known as the opposition's 18yd box Westwood is a star in the making and we should continue to allow him to perform a significant role in our demise. Oh, did I mention his unerring ability to put the rare shots he does have wide of the target or his laughable set pieces? Lazy indeed.
His pass completion rate this season is around 80%, which suggests at a minimum he keeps things ticking over. As I said against Brentford he was the one midfielder trying to drive us forward. I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, but he is unfairly targeted every time we play poorly. If he was playing in a role where his main focus was distribution of the ball he'd be fine.
But what role is that? The movement of the ball like a hot potato isn't sufficient unless he has other skill sets to complement it. Should he sit deep as cover for the back line? He can't do it. Positionally he is relatively disciplined but he lacks the physical (and mental) tenacity to provide protection. Can he provide the link between the midfield and forward line? Does he get ahead of the strikers, making intelligent runs into the danger areas? He should be plying his trade at Crewe not Villa.
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This is my concern too
Still, Westwood will get all the blame regardless
Hopefully Tshibola's energy can start making a difference soon
Thing is I don't think Westwood is that bad, he's just an easy and lazy target. I've seen him do alright, and more importantly a lot of players do a lot worse than him. In the game against Brentford he was the only player in the second half driving to get some urgency into the team. He's clearly not a combative midfielder, that should be Jedinak's role, but he's having to cover that role.
Apart from having no defensive qualities, only possessing a perfunctory standard of passing and lacking zero desire to discover the part of the playing field known as the opposition's 18yd box Westwood is a star in the making and we should continue to allow him to perform a significant role in our demise. Oh, did I mention his unerring ability to put the rare shots he does have wide of the target or his laughable set pieces? Lazy indeed.
His pass completion rate this season is around 80%, which suggests at a minimum he keeps things ticking over. As I said against Brentford he was the one midfielder trying to drive us forward. I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, but he is unfairly targeted every time we play poorly. If he was playing in a role where his main focus was distribution of the ball he'd be fine.
But what role is that? The movement of the ball like a hot potato isn't sufficient unless he has other skill sets to complement it. Should he sit deep as cover for the back line? He can't do it. Positionally he is relatively disciplined but he lacks the physical (and mental) tenacity to provide protection. Can he provide the link between the midfield and forward line? Does he get ahead of the strikers, making intelligent runs into the danger areas? He should be plying his trade at Crewe not Villa.
Couldn't of put it better myself. He is woeful. Has nothing about his game.
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I hope we get another result and take the piss out of these self important nob sacks. Pretty certain they will hold an anniversary dinner 10 years to the day when we relegated them (the first time not the second) where they all pledge undying hatred of us and swear by their first born sons that they will have revenge, whatever it takes.
Pathetic bunch of fat, deluded pricks.
I see one of their official mouthpieces Martin Hardy had a dig at us in an article in the I today....he wrote one last season aswell.
What Newcastle fans don't realise is on any other ground that day they'd have been hilarity and songs about them going down...do they really think it would have been any different at Old Trafford or Blackburn with Shearer in charge?
Maybe the banners point is a debatable one but at least they were quite funny.
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I am going for a draw,1-1,although if Clark is playing for them i would fancy us to edge it
If he does play, it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception he gets.
Hopefully a bad one. I used to like Clark, but he was a key contributor to our downfall last season and couldn't wait to jump ship this summer. His recent interviews about Newcastle being a "massive club" have left a sour taste in the mouth too.
Of course Clark would say that, he's hardly likely to be negative to the club he's just joined. I really don't see the point of getting worked up about that.
He was a good club servant who worked his way through the ranks here but aside from a couple of months form I never really thought he was good enough.
Not sure he'll even play, he's been on the bench a fair bit since signing.
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Is there any hint of whether McCormack will be back tomorrow?
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http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-owe-aston-villa-11921299
They're still banging on about that then? Fucking drama queens, the lot of them.
Do they not think the reason we were celebrating might actually be thar it was our first point in 3 months? Quinn is a twat.
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Bloody Arsenal-Chelsea game clashes with this so it's going to be a job finding somewhere that shows it 'ere in Lahndahn.
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Just needed to briefly join the Westwood debate. Westwood's pass completion stats are what help him to keep convincing some that he's ok. But the point about him, especially in his position, is not what he does but what he doesn't or can't do. He is physically and psychologically weak and we will continue to be ineffective while he is in the team. This last remark also goes for Bacuna who has tried hard this season but belongs in a lower league.
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Just needed to briefly join the Westwood debate. Westwood's pass completion stats are what help him to keep convincing some that he's ok. But the point about him, especially in his position, is not what he does but what he doesn't or can't do. He is physically and psychologically weak and we will continue to be ineffective while he is in the team. This last remark also goes for Bacuna who has tried hard this season but belongs in a lower league.
Spot on.
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Not at the game tomorrow as on holiday. A couple of observations. Quinn is a fat f-ck Geordie wannabee. The "TOWN" army are legends in their own mind. They talk about Villa having no class because of a few bedsheets. Have they been out in their own town on a Friday/Saturday night? The whole place washed up by the north sea has no class, including their Kawasaki and oompah loompah dialect. Watch out for the arrogance of the "Town" army marching down Trinity Road as they did before the last home match of last season. I personally have seen no other club in my 40+ years of supporting the Villa do that! Please Villa win this game and shut the sad "town" f-cks up
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FFS if I get sent one more article about a bloody bed sheet in 2009 I'm going to explode. Every year the stories get more and more ridiculous, the eruption of sheer joy at the final whistle like we'd won the world cup, the champagne corks flying and street parties that followed long into the night, the civic reception for our victorious squad - just fuckin fuck off Newcastle. And another thing if all you can do is spout off constant jabs about our home attendances have a look at yours prior to ground expansion, average gates at St James' Park in the 80s and 90s were pathetic. If we're going to hit 6 at home this season I really hope its tomorrow.
Fuck me I wouldn't want to be a Geordie sat in front of you tomorrow!
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Obviously 'Toon' fans come on this site to see what we are saying...Well from Clash City Rocker all I can say is this..........Newcastle utd.....their fans and some idiot radio presenters mean absolutely nothing to me. ..You didn't get relegated at Villa park you got relegated after a totally shite season....( being a villa fan I should know plenty about that) I don't see playing ' the 'Toon' as important. Yep solving the middle East crisis and finding a cure for cancer is important but playing a football match doesn't really stack up in the scheme of things. As for that idiot of a washed up footballer ( of limited talent...yes Quinn you would never have been fit to lace George best's boots ) trying to hype up a match where a team got mathematically relegated all I can say is....you are an awlful radio presenter...possibly a worse radio presenter than you were a footballer. Grow up Quinn and look at the bigger picture there is plenty of strife in the world without total idiots like yourself trying to inflame such trivial things as football matches...M Quinn you should be ashamed of yourself. So Micky should you stay or should you go...that's a rhetorical question...just f### off.
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Just reading the comments on the Newcastle Chronicle and apparently we are the ones that are obsessed about them...very odd set of supporter's.
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You aint seen nothing fatter than the mighty Quinn.
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http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-owe-aston-villa-11921299
They're still banging on about that then? Fucking drama queens, the lot of them.
Do they not think the reason we were celebrating might actually be thar it was our first point in 3 months? Quinn is a twat.
I heard him a day or two after "the event". To me, it came across that his gripe was we'd not rolled over and given them the three points, as we were doomed anyway. And that we were the ones that wouldn't let 2009 go in the run-up to the game. At no point did he mention that for the second time in seven years, when their fate could be altered with three points, they'd been utter blose at Villa Park.
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FFS if I get sent one more article about a bloody bed sheet in 2009 I'm going to explode. Every year the stories get more and more ridiculous, the eruption of sheer joy at the final whistle like we'd won the world cup, the champagne corks flying and street parties that followed long into the night, the civic reception for our victorious squad - just fuckin fuck off Newcastle. And another thing if all you can do is spout off constant jabs about our home attendances have a look at yours prior to ground expansion, average gates at St James' Park in the 80s and 90s were pathetic. If we're going to hit 6 at home this season I really hope its tomorrow.
Fuck me I wouldn't want to be a Geordie sat in front of you tomorrow!
Its been a tough week Edge, I'm calmer now good luck to the Toon Army and their magnificent followers 😅
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Just reading the comments on the Newcastle Chronicle and apparently we are the ones that are obsessed about them...very odd set of supporter's.
Seven years on and they still can't grasp that it wasn't just us that would have behaved as we did. In their world everyone is jealous of them.
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Just reading the comments on the Newcastle Chronicle and apparently we are the ones that are obsessed about them...very odd set of supporter's.
Seven years on and they still can't grasp that it wasn't just us that would have behaved as we did. In their world everyone is jealous of them.
The fall of that knob Tony Blair, their cringy celeb supporter, is probably an apt metaphor for the way their stock has fallen since 1997. Like Blair, they also still think they're relevant.
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Maybe we should make a public apology before kick off tomorrow, I genuinly think they would have a mass breakdown of tears, the make up sex would be pretty intense!
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I remember before the first relegation game there was a "Good luck Villa" type Facebook page. Probably set up by a Mackem but there were so many posts on it from fans of other clubs wanting us to send them down.
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Maybe we should make a public apology before kick off tomorrow, I genuinly think they would have a mass breakdown of tears, the make up sex would be pretty intense!
I like this idea, Leighton could appear on the scoreboard like Delph did to make the official apology.
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A heavy 'QPR style' defeat and the angst starts in earnest.
Familiar territory.
You mean a 6-0 defeat would be familiar territory for this season? I'm far from impressed to say the least with how we've started, but at home we've not looked like losing and indeed we haven't. They've actually lost more games than us too.
We may get beat, but 6-0? Come on.
Of course not.
But 0-4 is a possibility.
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Is McCormack fit for this game?
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I belive he is, along with Tshibola and Adomah.
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It's their lack of sense of humour around all this that gets me. I think the "everybody's second favourite team" badge also would a lot of people up.
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It's their lack of sense of humour around all this that gets me. I think the "everybody's second favourite team" badge also would a lot of people up.
It must really grate that everyone's second favourite team is now Leicester.
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I can see them twatting us :(
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A heavy 'QPR style' defeat and the angst starts in earnest.
Familiar territory.
You mean a 6-0 defeat would be familiar territory for this season? I'm far from impressed to say the least with how we've started, but at home we've not looked like losing and indeed we haven't. They've actually lost more games than us too.
We may get beat, but 6-0? Come on.
Of course not.
But 0-4 is a possibility.
Again, totally unfamiliar.
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I'm yet to meet another Villa supporter who gives a flying fuck about Newcastle United, this thing about a rivalry is utter garbage.
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I belive he is, along with Tshibola and Adomah.
none of them in the starting line up then
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More than anything, I have a slow burning optimism for this game. We need to turn our missed and half chances into goals, and really need a game that will galvanise the team.
If we get a result today, this could be the opposite of the Leicester game last season for being a defining point.
3-1 Villa
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I only hate Newcastle because from a distance they could be mistaken for the stripeyfilth.
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I have a sneaky feeling we'll turn our last good performances into results from now on and we'll brush the Geordies aside for a comfortable win. Our season will take off today.
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I have a sneaky feeling we'll turn our last good performances into results from now on and we'll brush the Geordies aside for a comfortable win. Our season will take off today.
I have a good feeling about today too 8)
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Let's bloody hope so, we need to win this.
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They've picked up after a bad start but Wolves proved last week you can catch them on a bad day. I reckon it'll be another draw personally.
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Last week seems months ago. It's like we've not played in an age.
RDM actually having them all together without any daft international nonsense will hopefully have let them build in training on what in isolation could have been seen as a decent clean sheet and point, if poor in the context of how we played in the final third and the season as a whole.
I'd like to see 433 with Adomah and Ayew either side of Kodjia and Grealish playing as a 3 in the middle for an attacking outlet.
I think we will play a 4231 though or 4411 with McCormack playing Robbie Keane esq here there and everywhere from deep.
We've got more quality up top than anybody in this league. Got to give them the midfield platform though which must be Tshibola legs, drive and pace to go with Jedinak's steel and physicality.
Jedinak's distribution has been so so. One good ball for Kodjia mind, but he doesn't lose a tackle and wins everything in the air. He needs that mobility nect to him in Tshibola for balance.
If Westwood must play, then it has to be with those two and he has to be a lot higher up. He's no good defensively and he doesn't have the variety to sit deep as he moves the ball tools slowly and cannot take the game and drive it on.
Actually feeling confident that we will here some clicking going on.
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Don't really see much change this week to any of the previous few, so I'm going for a draw until 88 minutes, then they get a winner.
Maybe our season takes off next week!
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Last week seems months ago. It's like we've not played in an age.
RDM actually having them all together without any daft international nonsense will hopefully have let them build in training on what in isolation could have been seen as a decent clean sheet and point, if poor in the context of how we played in the final third and the season as a whole.
I'd like to see 433 with Adomah and Ayew either side of Kodjia and Grealish playing as a 3 in the middle for an attacking outlet.
I think we will play a 4231 though or 4411 with McCormack playing Robbie Keane esq here there and everywhere from deep.
We've got more quality up top than anybody in this league. Got to give them the midfield platform though which must be Tshibola legs, drive and pace to go with Jedinak's steel and physicality.
Jedinak's distribution has been so so. One good ball for Kodjia mind, but he doesn't lose a tackle and wins everything in the air. He needs that mobility nect to him in Tshibola for balance.
If Westwood must play, then it has to be with those two and he has to be a lot higher up. He's no good defensively and he doesn't have the variety to sit deep as he moves the ball tools slowly and cannot take the game and drive it on.
Actually feeling confident that we will here some clicking going on.
Good post. Tend to agree on the 433 etc. Will work best if Tshibola is ready
Think McCormack may be unlikely to be fit
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I think a 1-1 draw.
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2nd win of season, 2-1 Villa
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5:2
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After a crap week at work with problem after problem, it would be great (just for once!) to enjoy a fantastic performance and victory from the Villa today. I am going to the next two away games, so picking up confidence from today will be vital. Both Barnsley and Preston will certainly up there game against us. Just about to set off, leaving plenty of time for the M5 to do it's worst!
Dorset Villa
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Wednesday - I think this is where we turn our season around and get a good win.
Thursday - Ok few injuries and Jack issues, maybe we'll sneak a 2-1.
Friday - Actually we weren't that good last two games...a point would be decent.
Saturday - Oh god we're gonna lose.
Sunday - We go again.
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It would be a great one to win but I can't see us winning the midfield battle against Diame and Shelvey. I think they'll overpower us in that area but we can cause them problems going forward. I'll go for another draw, 1-1 but everything crossed for the win we so desperately need. Two more games without a win and that's 4 victories in our last 50 games. That isn't a very good record.
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Well, hopefully Clark will play and be bullied mercilessly by whatever forward line we play.
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4-1 to us. Kodjia hat trick.
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After a crap week at work with problem after problem, it would be great (just for once!) to enjoy a fantastic performance and victory from the Villa today. I am going to the next two away games, so picking up confidence from today will be vital. Both Barnsley and Preston will certainly up there game against us. Just about to set off, leaving plenty of time for the M5 to do it's worst!
Dorset Villa
I love the fact that you're travelling all that way, when you could easily watch at home or pop down the local
I hope you have a great day Dorset :)
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The wind is going to be a major factor, gusting from the South at over 30mph according to the Met Office.
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The wind is going to be a major factor, gusting from the South at over 30mph according to the Met Office.
Oh great, they'll probably hold that against us for the next 7 years too.
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Don't think Jack will be anywhere near VP today. I hope McCormack plays a lot depends on him
Could be a 2-2 draw.
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Aside from Grealish, any injury updates on Baker and Tshibola ?
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Despite the recent hype around these games, they're usually pretty close. But if we could win this, it would get the season started again, I think.
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If McCormack is out, this would be a great opportunity to play Grealish in that position. I think he could do very well there.
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Just a reminder to support the #clapforjack campaign on the seventh minute.
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After a crap week at work with problem after problem, it would be great (just for once!) to enjoy a fantastic performance and victory from the Villa today. I am going to the next two away games, so picking up confidence from today will be vital. Both Barnsley and Preston will certainly up there game against us. Just about to set off, leaving plenty of time for the M5 to do it's worst!
Dorset Villa
I love the fact that you're travelling all that way, when you could easily watch at home or pop down the local
I hope you have a great day Dorset :)
So today was a lie in for you then mate. I usually have a drink with a bloke who travels from Berkshire. Fair play to people like you who make such a big effort to support the Villa. I can see the Villa ground from where I live but apart from that you wouldn't want to live round here! I'm going for a 3-1 to the Villa. Dedicated to you guys who make such an effort and to "Jack" who's minutes applause today will be a real choker. UTV
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As it's my birthday I see nothing but a Villa win and an upturn in our fortunes. Please please please!
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Sitting in a pub having a drink and a laugh with some Newcastle fans. Like football fans always have.
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On the train. If I get thrown off it like last time Hopadop or Ads or Richard or all three will be retained to sue Virgin.
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Sitting in a pub having a drink and a laugh with some Newcastle fans. Like football fans always have.
What's their take on our recent rivalry? I met a Really decent Newcastle fan in Harrogate a few months back and he wasn't even aware of it.
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Sitting in a pub having a drink and a laugh with some Newcastle fans. Like football fans always have.
What's their take on our recent rivalry? I met a Really decent Newcastle fan in Harrogate a few months back and he wasn't even aware of it.
Neither are they.