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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 27, 2016, 04:49:36 PM
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No comment.
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Just nuke the place from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Disappointing.
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That's really about as bad as it gets. Until after the international break, when it will inevitably get worse.
When will they stop inventing new ways to embarrass us?
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Sounded swamped. We can't out sign the league.
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Drop a division, still look about 16th best.
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Boot...
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Shocked. We're still on the slide.
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Drop a division, still look about 16th best.
If we are lucky.
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Unacceptable. Once again don't make dominance pay in first half and then shit in the second. Just not good enough.
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Pathetic.
Forget looking for attacking midfielders/wingers and world class strikers, we need to sort out the bloody midfield first.
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Oh fuck off Villa
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Well today we broke totally smashed the thought I had about a decent defence. Two previous goals conceded were both GK errors but this ...an absolute disaster on par with Luton defeat. There is something seriously wrong here and RDM needs to fix it fast.
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Hoping this is a one off, we really should have been out of sight at half time but simply collapsed in second half. McCormack's goal drought is a bit of a worry too. Shouldn't be in a relegation battle but I cant see us troubling those play offs.
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Stating the fucking obvious here but we can't react to a set back in any way, Sheffield Wednesday, Luton, Huddersfield, Bristol City, the moment each of these teams scored we were never scoring again in those respective games, you have to go all the way back to January for the last time we scored a goal from a losing position to level the game, that is a fucking outrageous statistic and the mentality needs to change and fucking quick.
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It's too early to be making judgments about Di Matteo's suitability to the job, but what does he actually do when the opposition step it up? Very little, as far as I can see. Be that Luton, Huddersfield, Bristol City or whoever.
Most of that lot stood off us initially, possibly cowed by the reputation of our players. Giving us space to stroke the ball around and look OK. Then the penny drops that we aren't all that, they actually take the game to us and we offer zero resistance.
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Very worrying.
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This shouldn't come as a surprise. I expected a draw or loss due to a lack of gumption, and we got the worst option in a way only Villa can deliver. Our attitude overhaul needs more work. A lot more work.
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The squad really needs to have a good sit down and have a fucking good hard look at itself as a whole.
Personally, I won't settle for gutlessness, dropping heads on the pitch. My idea of playing sport is going until you can barely stand, then you've earnt your beer/reward after the game. As an amateur sportsman myself, I don't stand for guys around me giving up, it shits me to tears and I expect no less from paid professionals too.
When exactly do they draw a line in the sand and grow a pair?
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Can't really make a judgement from hearsay but I think we played a team that has been together and no what it's all about. We're playing with an almost brand new back 4/5 and maybe its just a case of more game time together.
Up front apparently there were chances galore and we know someone is coming in to sort that out according to the Doc.
But the one thing that still baffles me, with the turn over of players, staff, managers, owners ... in all the years, when are we going to drop the 1st half/ 2nd half tag!?
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Drop a division, still look about 16th best.
This has to be a realistic concern, we can't even avoid defeat against average 2nd division teams.
There is no way we are getting back to the PL any time soon if ever.
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The really scarey part about it is we changed the Owner, changed the Manager, changed half the team - and improved nothing.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The more that things 'change'... :(
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Lots to work on.
I'm staggered at this stat (though not saying it's an excuse)
Bristol fouls 12. Bookings 1.
Villa fouls 15. Bookings 7.
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We could and should have been 4-0 up with ease. When they equalised did anyone really expect us to put up a fight?
The answer is obvious.
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Can always count on villa to ruin my day. Let's not worry, we will sign valencia to solve our problems (tin hat)
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#1 lesson in Faroese :
Reyvarhol
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Early days but I have to admit to my concerns when RDM was appointed . Everyone says what a nice bloke he is when what we needed was a horrible bastard to kick a few backsides. A long way to go but things don't look promising at present. Those two from Salford United look like what we need!
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Ayew played like Hodge today. Sulking, no effort and couldn't care less. Get rid now before we have to keep him until January.
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It's too early to be making judgments about Di Matteo's suitability to the job, but what does he actually do when the opposition step it up? Very little, as far as I can see. Be that Luton, Huddersfield, Bristol City or whoever.
Most of that lot stood off us initially, possibly cowed by the reputation of our players. Giving us space to stroke the ball around and look OK. Then the penny drops that we aren't all that, they actually take the game to us and we offer zero resistance.
As I said before his recent record isnt great
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The really scarey part about it is we changed the Owner, changed the Manager, changed half the team - and improved nothing.
Must be the fans then
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That's nothing short of embarrassing. Every game we seem to start off well, the opposition look poor, we fail to take chances, the opposition realise we're not all that after all so come out and play in the second half, and we either crumble completely (like today) or hang on by our finger nails (like Huddersfield). Until we start taking our chances, or play two halves of football like we start off, we're going to keep getting these sort of results.
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Second half was fucking shite. Same old same old.
All their manager had to say at half time was move faster. And they did. And it was easy for them.
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Utter fucking shite second half against no mark mod table second division shite.
Everything sebody comes out and puts time into that wallflower Westwood we crumble.
No fucking chance of promotion based on that garbage. Keeper was at fault for two as well. No pace in the side and a donkey like Kozak on the bench.
No fucking response again to pressure.
Utter cunting fucking shit.
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Ayew played like Hodge today. Sulking, no effort and couldn't care less. Get rid now before we have to keep him until January.
Said it before but for me he makes Gabby look like a member of MENSA.
And that's before Le Sulk.
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I am really fucking sick of this shit now.
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All the manager of any team that plays us has to do at half time is remind his players that they are Villa and they bottle it.
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Pathetic.
Forget looking for attacking midfielders/wingers and world class strikers, we need to sort out the bloody midfield first.
exactly
i posted earlier in the week we needed another two central midfielders
my biggest worry in all of this is rdm
can we honestly say he has made one iota of difference since he arrived?
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In hindsight, all those times we were out-battled and lost to lower league dross in cup competitions should've provided a clue as to how we'd get on we had to play them in league games.
Gutless, pathetic cowards.
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Need to put our chances away. New striker and creative midfielder now!
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I can't see Roberto getting a long honeymoon period.
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Why can't we ever play well for both halves? So frustrating that this has been going on for years under several different managers now.
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1 win in 5. We'll be lucky to stay up this year
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If you told me that we still have Eric Black as our manager, I would believe it. A team of fucking loseaholics
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Deserved or not, we have already picked up so many yellow cards we're going to get a run of suspensions before we get to double figures in games, which will further unsettle any semblance of stability. Shocking all round. After the Rotherham game I renewed my ST which I had vowed not to do. Oh well.
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Only Villa can change manager ( again) , change owner , change whole defence practically, spending over £15mil , spend £12mil on a striker and still , still be utter fucking gash.
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Where do you even begin to start with that?
Dominated the first half can't finish for shit. Turning point in the 2nd half Ayew chose to slice a shot wide when McCormack was screaming at him to pass for an obvious 2nd. Then it went to shit from there. Another error from the Goalkeper - goalkeepers will make mistakes at that age which begs the question why take such a gamble with such a vital position? Bunn is no replacement so looks like we are stuck here.
Then look at the bench. Absolutely no one to bring on to change a game. Early days in the season but I have to say this looks very worrying already. At no time after they equalised did I think we would get back into that game. Equally I knew instantly by missing all the early chances it would come back on us. Both these events are regular occurrences with Villa these days.
When the fcuk is this going to end?
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Need to win almost 1in 2 to go straight up. So far 1 in 5, and we've spent a fortune by Championship standards.
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I could handle the Huddersfield and Sheff Weds result to a small extent as one team was topping the table while the other was one of the favourites for promotion.
Today though is simply fucking unacceptable. It feels as if we've been properly found out today. Teams have started off a little shaky against us but grow as the games wear on, I don't think this division will be afraid of us at all any longer. Come to a stadium like Villa Park, probably twice the size of their very own and it still won't matter either.
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Apart from texts from RedSox no idea how we played but seeing a Villa collapse yet again is a tad concerning.
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you 've got it - we need to win 20 games minimum to go up , we're already 8 points off top and we've won one in 18. My faith is being severely tested.
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The really scarey part about it is we changed the Owner, changed the Manager, changed half the team - and improved nothing.
Well we replaced an owner who knows nothing about running a football club with an owner who knows nothing about running a football club, a succession of managers with one season or less in the PL with another of the same, and have replaced players not good enough for the PL with players who have either never played there or been deemed surplus to requirements at that level.
If you do what you always did, you'll largely get what you always got.
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And that's 4 wins in our last 45 league games.
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I can't see Roberto getting a long honeymoon period.
I hope he enjoyed it.
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The worst thing about having the BBC live scores on the laptop whilst listening to Sky Soccer Saturday is you actually get to see us tumbling down the table from the giddy heights of seventh when we were a goal up. I hear whispers our goalkeeper didn't exactly cover himself in glory. Yet again. At least if we needed a reality check we have had one with a few days left of the transfer window.
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I can't see Roberto getting a long honeymoon period.
joking apart i can see his tenure being a short one
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Once again we should have been 4 goals up before they scored once. Absolutely stunning collapse.
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I think something psychological happens to players when they play for Villa. The big ground, big crowds, top training facilities, big money. The history and pedigree. They think the club has an automatic right to win games. It doesn't.
It has to dig deep to get results, and it isn't digging deep enough yet. Quite when the penny will drop, that we need to fight twice as hard as any team in the league to succeed, I don't know. But it must, soon, or we'll only get out of this division via the trap door.
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I really, really dislike Ayew. Sulky little sod who isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is.
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RDM won't last long with this type of form. I'm not interested in our missed chances, they also could of banged in few more.
1 win in 5 is not good enough or even average.
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I can't see Roberto getting a long honeymoon period.
joking apart i can see his tenure being a short one
If Xia is as agressively ambitious as he makes out, it makes you wonder....
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I can't see Roberto getting a long honeymoon period.
joking apart i can see his tenure being a short one
I can see our tenure also being a short one but not in the way we hoped for.
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1 win in 5. We'll be lucky to stay up this year
Nah. We've got Fortress Villa Park to rely on innit. :P
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We have to buy our way out of this. There's still too many players at the club (and more importantly in the team) who have the losing mentality. Can we really continue with Westwood in midfield when he's continually proved he's not up to standard? Same with Bacuna and Cissokho and one or two others. We're absolutely desperate for a striker and a creative midfielder and Xia has to deliver this week else we're doomed to a longer stay in the Championship than we hoped for.
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when on top, you need to make it count.
whats the answer??
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The other thing is Bristol City, Bristol fcukin City had a game in midweek that went to extra time. We've had a fcukin week off. Dear God it's shocking.
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we are the new Accrington Stanley.
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The team has been basically re-built from utter shit. Give it time. It's a long old season in this division.
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A point a game so far in our 7th consecutive relegation battle.
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We are unable to take a game to the opposition when we are losing. We just can't.
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The Manager is shit isn't He ?
Get rid now.
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By the way we haven't won in 21 away matches now.
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A point a game so far in our 7th consecutive relegation battle.
Do you still think we're going to smash this league?
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we are the new Accrington Stanley.
Wrong. Everyone knows who we are. A Laughing stock if this carries on
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The team has been re built from shit and it's still shit - that's what hurts.
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We are unable to take a game to the opposition when we are losing. We just can't.
Trouble is, we are unable to get take a game to the opposition when we're winning either.
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A point a game so far in our 7th consecutive relegation battle.
Except we weren't in the relegation battle last season.
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Even with all these new leaders on the pitch we now have and still we are a pile of shit.
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Bit disappointing. :(
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Where are all these fucking captains I keep hearing about? Shower of shite
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Today has massively ruined the weekend. Why can we not just push on? We have mostly a new side, where is this bottling mentality coming from? Us? A curse? David Cameron? It's baffling.
Gollini is not good enough to be our 1st keeper in this division. Teams have worked out that he will badly push shots away. We need 6 points from our next two, end of.
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A point a game so far in our 7th consecutive relegation battle.
Do you still think we're going to smash this league?
Not based on that shite. I have serious reservations about the manager and the fact that on today's evidence absolutely nothing at all has changed.
Xia should demand his money back. £40 million to look as bad as we've ever looked.
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Where are all these fucking captains I keep hearing about? Shower of shite
The Titanic had a good Captain but still hit a fucking iceberg and sank.
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By the way we haven't won in 21 away matches now.
380 odd days since the last league away win, according to Kendrick. Fucking rubbish.
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All this taking time working on the number 9 stuff. I get it, but it might have cost this new team its fragile confidence and left us adrift in mid table.
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Where are all of these fucking 'leaders' we have supposed to have signed?
Every single game this season, every single one, we have been completely dominated in the second half with absolutely no indication that we can ride it out and go on to win the game.
Even Rotherham gave as good as they got at Villa Park in the second half.
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****** the lot of them.
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Where are all these fucking captains I keep hearing about? Shower of shite
The Titanic had a good Captain but still hit a fucking iceberg and sank.
We'd have missed the Iceberg and crashed into America instead.
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God there's been a whiff of panic on here since the season started, now its full blown hysteria. We were a completely shite championship side last season, so building a decent championship side is going to take time and its not going to be pretty or quick. We should know better where we stand by November, but till then for your own sakes, I'd clam down a bit
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I think something psychological happens to players when they play for Villa. The big ground, big crowds, top training facilities, big money. The history and pedigree. They think the club has an automatic right to win games. It doesn't.
It has to dig deep to get results, and it isn't digging deep enough yet. Quite when the penny will drop, that we need to fight twice as hard as any team in the league to succeed, I don't know. But it must, soon, or we'll only get out of this division via the trap door.
I reckon you could well be on the money there with your opening gambit, Jimbo. What I think this situation requires is a manager that absolutely DEMANDS players to be mentally tough & to give every iota of energy for the cause. Admittedly we've still got some terminally damaged rubbish to ship out of the club, but I've got my serious doubts about whether RDM has what it takes to properly turn this shit round. The clock is certainly ticking.
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Where are all these fucking captains I keep hearing about? Shower of shite
The Titanic had a good Captain but still hit a fucking iceberg and sank.
We'd have missed the Iceberg and crashed into America instead.
Where are all these fucking captains I keep hearing about? Shower of shite
The Titanic had a good Captain but still hit a fucking iceberg and sank.
We'd have missed the Iceberg and crashed into America instead.
😀
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God there's been a whiff of panic on here since the season started, now its full blown hysteria. We were a completely shite championship side last season, so building a decent championship side is going to take time and its not going to pretty or quick. We should know better where we stand by November, but till then for your own sakes, I'd clam down a bit
We were told all this under Sherwood and Garde.
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I couldn't watch or listen to the game so was relying on the match thread whilst watching the cricket. How did Jedenak do? Or is that a stupid question?
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I couldn't watch or listen to the game so was relying on the match thread whilst watching the cricket. How did Jedenak do? Or is that a stupid question?
He completely bossed it as we saw the game out. Alternatively I hardly heard his name except when he got booked.
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God there's been a whiff of panic on here since the season started, now its full blown hysteria. We were a completely shite championship side last season, so building a decent championship side is going to take time and its not going to pretty or quick. We should know better where we stand by November, but till then for your own sakes, I'd clam down a bit
You might be right, it might just be 'gelling' required, I hope so. On the other hand, I remember similar comments twelve months ago.
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Another worry, although it's small beer today, is why half a dozen of our players get booked every game. Imagine getting two wins in a row, thinking about getting a good run together, and then all of a sudden half the first team is out serving a one match ban.
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God there's been a whiff of panic on here since the season started, now its full blown hysteria. We were a completely shite championship side last season, so building a decent championship side is going to take time and its not going to pretty or quick. We should know better where we stand by November, but till then for your own sakes, I'd clam down a bit
We were told all this under Sherwood and Garde.
meh. I had us down for a loss today. Too many changes in too short a period. Something had to give. Give them time to gell and if its still shite come November then there's plenty of time to sack ANOTHER manager.
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As disappointing as things are today, I do think the team needs at least a few games to really get to know one another. The players we've bought seem pretty good for the Championship, and the manager has proven he knows what he is doing in the not too distant past. I think we'll come good, but maybe not for a few more weeks - especially if we add two or three new players into the mix as well. But once things settle down, I reckon we'll get on a bit of a roll.
That said, Bacuna and Ayew can fuck off.
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1 win in 5 is diabolical.
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A point a game so far in our 7th consecutive relegation battle.
Do you still think we're going to smash this league?
Not based on that shite. I have serious reservations about the manager and the fact that on today's evidence absolutely nothing at all has changed.
Xia should demand his money back. £40 million to look as bad as we've ever looked.
I think it's hard to stop a ship from sinking when it's already half sunk. That's where we were last season, and so it will continue until we realise we have no right to win without bloodying our knuckles.
We're only as good as our last games, and they've been largely completely shit for around five years. It may take a season or two of hard graft and hard truths before we turn that unacceptable scenario around.
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My one hope is that it's still silly season at the moment - shit teams playing out of their skin etc. But we haven't been beaten by teams being better than us. We've dropped points through incompetence, same as usual. I got shouted down for having a go at Westwood and Bacuna, but they were part of that exact problem under Lambert, Sherwood and Garde and they're still part of the problem in the Championship. They're loser players in a loser side.
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I'm feeling better now this is our record after five games in 1987-88.
Sat Aug 15 Division 2 Ipswich Town Away Drew 1-1
Sat Aug 22 Division 2 Birmingham City Home Lost 0-2
Sat Aug 29 Division 2 Hull City Away Lost 1-2
Mon Aug 31 Division 2 Manchester City Home Drew 1-1
Sat Sep 5 Division 2 Leicester City
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God there's been a whiff of panic on here since the season started, now its full blown hysteria. We were a completely shite championship side last season, so building a decent championship side is going to take time and its not going to be pretty or quick. We should know better where we stand by November, but till then for your own sakes, I'd clam down a bit
Clam down a bit?! 'Sounds rather fishy to me. :o
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we are the new Accrington Stanley.
Accrington Stanley. WHO ARE THEY?
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As diabolical as that result was, it's a bit early to be talking about relegation battles. 6 of the starting 11 weren't at the club last year, 2 of which were making their debuts, so there'll be a bit of time for the team to gel. We were also missing a couple of players, and the squad building isn't complete. It's concerning, but it's far from hopeless, even if we played that way today.
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Different league
Different owner
Different manager
Different players
Same old shit
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On a more positive note does anyone know when , this week, the club will post pictures of the players pissing about in training and having a laugh?
I can't tell you how often this has cheered me up over the last five or so years.😡😡
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The killer about football is that the thing you don't have is time. It is an instant results business. It is why I was so pissed off with the time wasted by Black. We knew we had to avoid a bad start to this season. We are mentally like bone china. If we start shipping soft goals and having goalkeeping howlers the season will be half over before we get some traction. Our shortcomings have to be addressed by the manager and the coaches and dealt with immediately, not some time further down the line.
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We would be crying foul if we had to play a Team with the advantages as we did over Bristol City.
Our back four cost about £15 million. Our GK cost £4 Million. Midfield was £20 million and striker cost £8 million and of course the other player, who didn't cost anything to us but is probably the most valuable in the division, maybe £15 million.
How much did they cost ?
Someone needs to resign.
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/11095/10550289/sky-bet-efl-live
For the goals
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If we had won today it wouldnt mean we were the finished article in the same way losing doesn't mean we are going down either. This a new team, only just getting to know each other. It will get better.
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
Yeah there weren't any real howlers but again and again, how easy is it to cut through midfield.
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Bacuna Ayew and Westwood should never play again. The collapse was breathtaking. Our fans were awesome.
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I will be civil about the performance....It was totally unacceptable. I am saddened and disappointed and I would imagine Tony is livid. How he conveys the message to the manager,coaches and staff is up to him but he really does have to get over the message that attitudes and performances have to improve and improve dramatically. No one should be allowed to hide and the whole lot of them need to start taking responsibility for the shambles we are becoming.
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I think he is at fault for 1st and Second goals.
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
Yeah there weren't any real howlers but again and again, how easy is it to cut through midfield.
Just wrote that as Gollini was assumed to be at fault for one or two.
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That second Bristol goal...just fuck off, Villa.
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I think he is at fault for 1st and Second goals.
Would say it is the guys in front of him
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Just hope this is the reality check that these players need to have to think that they can walk this division
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
I think he could've done a bit better with his parry for the Brizzle equalizer, but the defending was rank anyway (as it was for the following goals).
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
Yeah there weren't any real howlers but again and again, how easy is it to cut through midfield.
Just wrote that as Gollini was assumed to be at fault for one or two.
the first one he has to hold, the second one he is way too far off his line.
His habit of pushing shots away from his body but not far enough is becoming common.
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The team and ethos is just ruined. I can't even be bothered to say anymore about it.
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This season we really needed to hit the ground running, if for no other reason to purge the negativity of the last few years and to retain the optimism of a new dawn. I think it is fair to say that that opportunity has now been spurned. So what now? I get the argument that new players take time to gel, but I also remember that that was the straw being clung to this time last year. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I tell you what, though: I love the months of June and July. Not a single weekend ruined.
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
Yeah there weren't any real howlers but again and again, how easy is it to cut through midfield.
Just wrote that as Gollini was assumed to be at fault for one or two.
the first one he has to hold, the second one he is way too far off his line.
His habit of pushing shots away from his body but not far enough is becoming common.
Yes could have done better, but not directly at fault (no where near his 2 previous errors)
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I have really had enough now - five years of un remitting shite under god knows how many different owners, managers , coaches and players. The thick end of 90m gross spent in two seasons and we can't give Bristol City a game.
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I am not going completely in the basement for this one. If we have a goal scorer soon (better put up on this one Tony), then we would have had plenty more points. Many games to correct this result.
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Wasting chances. Mistakes....and the ability to just lie down and die when the opposition score is nothing to do with the players needing time to gel......it's about their shortcomings as footballers.
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I would say Gollini is almost entirely at fault for that Bristol equaliser. You should never push the ball into the box. It's easy to say it as it comes at the keeper fast, but in his entire career he would have had that situation hundreds if not thousands of times, and if you can't hold it, you tip it out of play. Arguably, if he does that, Villa win the game as it's not so obvious that we've got the mental fortitude of a soggy rice cake.
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Wasting chances. Mistakes....and the ability to just lie down and die when the opposition score is nothing to do with the players needing time to gel......it's about their shortcomings as footballers.
Emmm... That has something to do with players mentality, not ability with a ball.
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If there is a positive its that there is a two week break till our next game, let's get the last of our transfers done and then get the lads off to the brecon becons with Mickey Goldmill - make them eat lightnin' and crap thunder.
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I would say Gollini is almost entirely at fault for that Bristol equaliser. You should never push the ball into the box. It's easy to say it as it comes at the keeper fast, but in his entire career he would have had that situation hundreds if not thousands of times, and if you can't hold it, you tip it out of play. Arguably, if he does that, Villa win the game as it's not so obvious that we've got the mental fortitude of a soggy rice cake.
Exactly that is a regulation stop they practice hours and hours in training.
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I would say Gollini is almost entirely at fault for that Bristol equaliser. You should never push the ball into the box. It's easy to say it as it comes at the keeper fast, but in his entire career he would have had that situation hundreds if not thousands of times, and if you can't hold it, you tip it out of play. Arguably, if he does that, Villa win the game as it's not so obvious that we've got the mental fortitude of a soggy rice cake.
It's the sort of goalkeeping we were taking the piss out of Guzan for last week when he spilled a shot which was converted.
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I'm feeling better now this is our record after five games in 1987-88.
Sat Aug 15 Division 2 Ipswich Town Away Drew 1-1
Sat Aug 22 Division 2 Birmingham City Home Lost 0-2
Sat Aug 29 Division 2 Hull City Away Lost 1-2
Mon Aug 31 Division 2 Manchester City Home Drew 1-1
Sat Sep 5 Division 2 Leicester City
I see where you are coming from but we won't have the advantage of Allan Evans, Tony Daley and Garry Thompson returning from injury and bring able to buy the Gray twins in November and David Platt in February.
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to rub salt into the wounds we're now facing a hefty fine for having seven booked.
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
Yeah there weren't any real howlers but again and again, how easy is it to cut through midfield.
Just wrote that as Gollini was assumed to be at fault for one or two.
the first one he has to hold, the second one he is way too far off his line.
His habit of pushing shots away from his body but not far enough is becoming common.
Yes could have done better, but not directly at fault (no where near his 2 previous errors)
Won't be long before people start calling for Brad to return.
Brad Friedel!!
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If there is a positive its that there is a two week break till our next game, let's get the last of our transfers done and then get the lads off to the brecon becons with Mickey Goldmill - make them eat lightnin' and crap thunder.
Loving the Brecon biz there BR, but I expect a fair number of our shower will be demanding a Dubai mini-break - in order to indulge in some richly deserved R&R. It's Hell in the championship, dontcha know.
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to rub salt into the wounds we're now facing a hefty fine for having seven booked.
I would like to hear from someone at the game if that made any sense? 7 vs 1 booking, and apparantly one of theirs should have been sent off?
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I have huge reservations about Gollini, but he's still only young. What's wrong with getting a massive, experienced bastard to ease his transition instead of throwing him into a league he's clearly not ready for?
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I have huge reservations about Gollini, but he's still only young. What's wrong with getting a massive, experienced bastard to ease his transition instead of throwing him into a league he's clearly not ready for?
It is a tough one. If we don't keep playing him he won't learn, but we can't afford to keep playing him if he carries on making mistakes. And as far as I know our goalkeeping coach has never previously worked in English football. Maybe we could get Spinky in a couple of times a week.
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I really, really dislike Ayew. Sulky little sod who isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is.
I know he can be good but I think he is part of the problem. It disrupts the team when he throws tantrums. We should facilitate a move for him somewhere back in France if we can.
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I have huge reservations about Gollini, but he's still only young. What's wrong with getting a massive, experienced bastard to ease his transition instead of throwing him into a league he's clearly not ready for?
Joe Hart's looking for a new club. He'd certainly get plenty of action behind our bloody lot. ;)
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to rub salt into the wounds we're now facing a hefty fine for having seven booked.
I would like to hear from someone at the game if that made any sense? 7 vs 1 booking, and apparantly one of theirs should have been sent off?
I was there. The ref was appalling. It would appear refs in this division are happy for Grealish to be kicked to bits.
From what I've seen the refereeing in the championship is awful.
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to rub salt into the wounds we're now facing a hefty fine for having seven booked.
I would like to hear from someone at the game if that made any sense? 7 vs 1 booking, and apparantly one of theirs should have been sent off?
I was there. The ref was appalling. It would appear refs in this division are happy for Grealish to be kicked to bits.
From what I've seen the refereeing in the championship is awful.
And if we are lucky we will get a Premier League referee who has been temporarily demoted for being awful in the top flight. They used to be Neil Warnock's 'favourites'.
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I really, really dislike Ayew. Sulky little sod who isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is.
I know he can be good but I think he is part of the problem. It disrupts the team when he throws tantrums. We should facilitate a move for him somewhere back in France if we can.
Give the stroppy sod a 1-way ferry ticket from Dover. That may just get his attention.
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We're out with a City season ticket holder tonight in Bristol. He reckons we showed more in 45 mins than Newcastle did in 90 mins last week.
I know they won and we lost, but thought I'd mention it.
He also thought we were miles better in the first half (not quite sure about miles), but thinks their manager basically said to stop showing us any respect, like they did against Newcastle last week, and come out and play.
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Just back from the game. Two things.
We had no leaders. Looked around after the second goal, everyone was heads down, nobody trying to lift anyone else.
Secondly, I hope that c*** Jordan Ayew never plays for us again. I had my fill of sulky fucking players not even trying last season. If he's not prepared to try, or even give the barest minimum effort then fuck him off. Get rid now.
The fact that RDM couldn't see how fucking abysmal he was is a major worry. He clearly thinks he's too good for this League - the cold fact is - he isn't.
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we are the new Accrington Stanley.
Accrington Stanley. WHO ARE THEY?
They are the old Aston Villa.
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Four days to strengthen, fourteen days to regroup for the next game which is the first of two on the bounce at home. That cheers me up a little bit. Although I have still been so pissed off with today's result I haven't even been bothered to check my football bets.
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We used to be famous apparently.
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Seven booked in one half? We keep breaking records!
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The number of Villa bookings was ridiculous but they weren't all for fouls. Some were for showing dissent, which now gets an automatic yellow.
I agree with what you've all said about Ayew and the away fans made it clear what they thought of his pathetic performance. The tunnel was at our end, and Ayew got lots of abuse as he walked off
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Should their man Bryant who scored the second have been sent off? Evans in the mail thought so and with 7 of ours getting booked seems like we are not getting any luck anywhere at the moment.
I would swap Ayew for Valencia and buy a winger. No point having Ayew showboating and not playing as a team.
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This is not bedding in. The club are Losers with a losing mentality. Losing Cup Finals, Premier League games, Youth Final play offs, now the championship. Losing is accepted far too easily and instead of treating any loss, never mind each loss, lightly the players should have sheer hell to face the day after the game. Up at 6 a.m, Up the Lickey Hills then, off to the Brecon Beacons, any excuse to keep them from family, working together as a unit, being punished as a unit until they demonstrate unity so that one bit of misfortune or a bit of opposition pressure does not give an excuse to give up. I am not interested in hearing RDM say ’we need to work at this’. He should have remedied immediately at Sheffield Wednesday when we conceded a goal and heads drop. The first bottled challenge, haul the guy off.
When will Tony Xia makes a public apology and say that ‘the players are a disgrace to themselves, their families, the club and the supporters and these players need to learn to never give up, as skill alone is not enough‘.
When will RDM say that ‘I have failed to instil the right mentality in this team already and I will appoint someone to work with me to rectify‘.
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Even if not all the bookings were merited, it was a good indication of the indiscipline and bad performance in the second half; giving the opponents set pieces and added confidence. Gollini hasn't had a good game yet, with poor decision making and positional play. Moreover he's used to losing from last season, so doesn't exude the authority and confidence that we need.
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As soon as I saw Gollini's youtube highlights I mentioned his tendency to parry shots back into the danger area. He then did it against Boro in the pre-season game, and sounds as if he did it again today. Add to his other gaffes and he's fast making Guzan look like he was hard done by. That's a fundamental part of goalkeeping and that bad habit needs to be coached out of him and quick. As for Ayew I'm not sure what he did today but so far he seems to think he can take on defences on his own at this level and so far he's been proved massively wrong. Needs to buckle down and play for the team or fuck off.
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We should have been so out of sight in the first half that we shouldn't even be talking about goalkeeping or defending. We should be talking about leading 3 or 4 nil and taking the royal piss knocking it about in the second.
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Pretty powerful stuff for a debut. Welcome Steve.
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Keeper is useless. Makes Guzan look like Schmeichel...
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Seems that until we can start putting teams to bed it will continue to bite us in the arse. Three games on the trot should have seen us home and hosed by half time but failure to convert chances into goals and a fragile defence means we are not going to gather points. Hopwfully, a finisher will come in and we can start blitxing teams. Today is disappointing especially since we seemed so comfortable but let's not allow a bad half hour to become all doom merchants. There's still a lot of positives in the bigger picture.
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Four days to strengthen, fourteen days to regroup for the next game which is the first of two on the bounce at home. That cheers me up a little bit. Although I have still been so pissed off with today's result I haven't even been bothered to check my football bets.
I got round to checking my football bets. They really cheered me up. One let me down in both the Premier League and The Championship. So along with Villa/Bristol City combining to spoil my day Southampton and Wigan decided to join in to make me even more fed up.
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What is McCormacks role in this team that needs a striker? Is the formation really working?
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Ayew swapped with a real goal-scorer and team player
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Keeper is useless. Makes Guzan look like Schmeichel...
since Guzan is the only thing you seem to care about, any chance he was forced upon the manger by that previous owner?
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This is not bedding in. The club are Losers with a losing mentality. Losing Cup Finals, Premier League games, Youth Final play offs, now the championship. Losing is accepted far too easily and instead of treating any loss, never mind each loss, lightly the players should have sheer hell to face the day after the game. Up at 6 a.m, Up the Lickey Hills then, off to the Brecon Beacons, any excuse to keep them from family, working together as a unit, being punished as a unit until they demonstrate unity so that one bit of misfortune or a bit of opposition pressure does not give an excuse to give up. I am not interested in hearing RDM say ’we need to work at this’. He should have remedied immediately at Sheffield Wednesday when we conceded a goal and heads drop. The first bottled challenge, haul the guy off.
When will Tony Xia makes a public apology and say that ‘the players are a disgrace to themselves, their families, the club and the supporters and these players need to learn to never give up, as skill alone is not enough‘.
When will RDM say that ‘I have failed to instil the right mentality in this team already and I will appoint someone to work with me to rectify‘.
Good climb training on the bike, Lickey. Welcome, btw
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The other thing is Bristol City, Bristol fcukin City had a game in midweek that went to extra time. We've had a fcukin week off. Dear God it's shocking.
They didn't even have their best striker today... I notice Kodjia was absent.
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I think Ayew is in the last chance saloon after another sullen performance, we can't have anyone like that in the team anymore.
Bristol City FFS!!!!
The nightmare continues...
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I don't even know what Ayew is. He's like a hybrid of good at some stuff unless at others. It's almost like he takes the place of a proper striker should we actually find one in the next few days.
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The other thing is Bristol City, Bristol fcukin City had a game in midweek that went to extra time. We've had a fcukin week off. Dear God it's shocking.
They didn't even have their best striker today... I notice Kodjia was absent.
Most of their team today didn't play in the LC game.
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steveeuro1982 you obviously realise that after Lickey Hills they will get couple of hours rest getting to Brecon so I suggest they are made to run along A38 to Barr Beacon and then back to BMH!
A unique opening rant BTW...Welcome😂
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1 min 40 He doesn't seem confident about new signings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37207045
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I watched today - from the home end - :0(. We were cracking first half, bossed it and a smart goal from Grealish.
Positives:
-looked totally comfortable for 45 mins
-de laet looked like an actual defender and won lots of headers, rare for a full back
-jedinak's beard
-jack, when he was in the game, classy
Negatives (aside from the second half fold, again):
-Westwood. Visibly lost his bottle after half time. Looked and played as if shell shocked. The sooner Tish or a new player permanently replaces him the better
-Amavi, happy to cut him some slack after so long out, but his positional sense needs improving and he needs to find the attacking rhythm and confidence he had a year ago
-Ayew. He can't be in the same team as McCormack, in my view, both strikers who don't occupy dangerous positions, we can't carry two of those and Jack.
Not much else to fault, just a shit 10 mins took the gloss off what would otherwise have been a competent but otherwise unspectacular away win.
#believe
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Keeper is useless. Makes Guzan look like Schmeichel...
Hmmm...
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I don't even know what Ayew is. He's like a hybrid of good at some stuff unless at others. It's almost like he takes the place of a proper striker should we actually find one in the next few days.
After today, I definitely know what Jordan Ayew is.
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FFS, there goals were pathetic, the 2nd straight through the fucking centre of us.
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Ayew looks like he don't want to know. Just watch him when grealish scores he don't give a Fuk
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Our fuckwittery knows no bounds. I lost count of the number of free kicks we conceded around the edge of our box. Sooner or later, one will go in and sure enough it did. We're still far too slow in midfield, toothless in attack and I've got my doubts about Gollini. Seven bookings too. Seven. Don't think they were all deserved butwe're going to start getting suspensions because of these soon.
Yet again we go one up and end up losing. I said after the Huddersfield game that we need a sports psychologist to sort the players heads out.
Beginning to have doubts about RDM too. Time for him to really earn his pay.
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Ironic that the one player we were keenest to keep, Jordan Ayew, is now probably the most dispensable.
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Five games in and we have looked good for an awful lot of those 5 games. A lot of new players, new management team and new owner will all take time to settle, understand and build a team. After a defeat like today it's is easy to get very downhearted but we won't turn round 5 years of a losing mentality in 5 or 6 games over 3 weeks. We need to have patience, as hard as it is, and let the team develop.
The teams that have started well are teams that the vast majority played together last season. It doesn't mean the same teams will finish as strongly, and it doesn't mean we won't learn how to close games out.
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Ayew can go as far as I'm concerned. Whatever we can get for him - I'd take a goldfish and a balloon. He simply doesn't give a flying fuck.
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Ironic that the one player we were keenest to keep, Jordan Ayew, is now probably the most dispensable.
To be fair nearly everyone on here said he was one of our best v Derby.
He needs dealing with alright, looks as if he has a bit of a sulk on which shouldnt be tolerated and seeps through the side
McCormack's conditioning is appalling too, maybe he could get away with it at Leeds, Cardiff and Fulham but he certainly wont at AVFC
On the goals, Gollini's parry was no where near good enough for the first, Elphick to me looked at fault for the second although our holding midfielder seemed MIA too
Third, hard to tell from the replay if Gollini should have got across
Seven yellow cards yet another pitiful surrender, says it all about showing steel when it counts
Its worrying with the change in personnel on and off the pitch that we are still gutless as ever as a team
Bristol City like Luton probably said to themselves, get one back and this lot will crumble
Our budget v theirs must be akin to Man City v Burnley
and this is after all the bad eggs have been got rid of
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1 min 40 He doesn't seem confident about new signings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37207045
He just didn't want to talk about it, that's all. I'd be flabbergasted if we weren't to sign anymore players but I doubt if that's gonna happen. I'm sure they've got a few transfers up their sleeve.
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Five games in and we have looked good for an awful lot of those 5 games. A lot of new players, new management team and new owner will all take time to settle, understand and build a team. After a defeat like today it's is easy to get very downhearted but we won't turn round 5 years of a losing mentality in 5 or 6 games over 3 weeks. We need to have patience, as hard as it is, and let the team develop.
The teams that have started well are teams that the vast majority played together last season. It doesn't mean the same teams will finish as strongly, and it doesn't mean we won't learn how to close games out.
makes sense
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Keeper is useless. Makes Guzan look like Schmeichel...
Oh I don't know about that. Guzan turned goalkeeping errors into a fine art form. Long way to go for Gollini to ever be as bad.
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Ayew can go as far as I'm concerned. Whatever we can get for him - I'd take a goldfish and a balloon. He simply doesn't give a flying fuck.
Spot on Des - he's a sulky fucker. His attitude stinks.
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With all the changes, team spirit takes even longer to build than collectiveness in the play. Added to this, a couple of injuries have disrupted the team. It is going to take time and perhaps a couple of lesser quality players with willingness to graft might be the answer.
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In sure that today will actually want we're more likely to sign some players.
Agree on Ayew - if he wants to sulk and offer fuck all then can do one. I'm way passed players not giving a shit for us. Seems he may have a higher opinion of himself than others do. After all, 0 goals in 5 games for an attacker isn't exactly going to set the bar
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Ayew's body language was the same against Sheffield Wednesday -when he was one of the best players on the pitch. Ditto Derby last week. That's just how he is.
That said, I have felt since the Valencia link that he might be on the way out. I couldn't see that pair playing in the same side.
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We're between a rock and hard place. We needed to sweep out almost the entire squad. We needed a whole new team. That's the only way to get out of that rut and scrub out that losing mentality.
Trouble is integrating a whole new side takes time. The back line is made up of almost entirely new players now. Even Amavi is essentially coming in new because he's barely played for us. In this situation you need to hit the ground running but that's very hard.
It's going to take 2-3 months for this new side to gel. Do we really have the benefit of time? Sadly not so we need some luck too, and we need to grind out results and more importantly, make the most of our moments of dominance. We've not done that, had we done so we'd have beaten Derby and Huddersfield and probably Bristol City. We go 2 up today and it's game over.
We need a win very quickly. We're a million miles from going on a winning run. No fucking chance yet, but what we don't want to do is go on a losing run. 4-5-6. We'd be destroyed. We'd have a whole new team that needs decimating and binning because they'll have been infected with the rot festering over the club.
For me, right now, I'd take a mid-table finishing. I'm pleased we're making good signings. They'll take us a long way toward our rebuilding but stabilisation is important. Regain our balance so we can halt the slide and then start looking up. Given how atrocious we were last season, a mid-table finish would be decent.
We do still need another central midfielder. We're an option short. We've not got a playmaker or decent passer. We need another wide option and we definitely need a front man. I don't like the idea of going into the season with just Gollini, Bunn and Steer either. We need an experienced option to compete with Gollini. Bunn is poor and despite his age isn't loaded with experience. 90 games in league one was the extent of him being a first teamer, aside from about 30 champ games and about 20 godawful games for us last season. He's in the Stuart Taylor mould. The perennial back up. To be honest I'd rather we still had Given at the club. Solid pro, been there done that. Granted he's well past his best but he was apparently Stoke's MOTM today. I don't know who else is out there but we need another option. If it's too soon for Gollini we're in trouble. Is Schwarzer just a bit too old now? One year?
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The most disappointing thing for me is that we've had absolutely nothing to offer in reply whenever we've conceded a goal this season.
We're also giving away a lot of free kicks around our own box in the last half hour with tired looking attempts at tackles.
Both of these things suggest to me we're lacking in fitness.
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Only saw it very quickly on The Championship on Channel 5 but I don't think Gollini's save/spill was anywhere near as bad as his previous two. I'm not sure I would slaughter him for that one.
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For me, right now, I'd take a mid-table finishing. I'm pleased we're making good signings. They'll take us a long way toward our rebuilding but stabilisation is important. Regain our balance so we can halt the slide and then start looking up. Given how atrocious we were last season, a mid-table finish would be decent.
I wouldn't. Mid table in the championship is nowhere for a club like Villa to be happy. There are no teams in this league that would be anything other than cannon fodder in a league we've been mainstays in (and often at the top end of) for the last 20 odd years. New owner, loads of new players, new manager. No more excuses. Promotion is the only thing I'll be happy with.
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Our inability to take our chances is putting unnecessary pressure on our defence and goalkeeper who are all getting to know each other. Throw in that we are not exactly the most confident bunch and it all goes to shit pretty quickly.
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Just watched the "highlights". GK to fully blame for their equaliser. My Nan could've held onto that, and she's been dead for about 10 years.
Centrebacks ripped apart for second. Poor defending.
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Only saw it very quickly on The Championship on Channel 5 but I don't think Gollini's save/spill was anywhere near as bad as his previous two. I'm not sure I would slaughter him for that one.
I thought the kick out that was deflected was unlucky, today was poor goalkeeping.
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Just watched the "highlights". GK to fully blame for their equaliser. My Nan could've held onto that, and she's been dead for about 10 years.
Centrebacks ripped apart for second. Poor defending.
Second goal , agreed, but where was the defensive cover from midfield ?
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Time to gel is ominous when you remember last year's signings never did gel.
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First half I thought we were good and should have gone in two or three goals up and there is the problem, we're not killing teams off and until we do, it's going to cost us points.
Someone mentioned the bookings earlier. The ref only seemed interested in booking our players and 8 bookings was ridiculous, it was hardly that type of game. The worst tackle of the match came from one of their players on Bacuna.
Let's hope this is just a bad day at the office.
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As for Ayew, I'm surprised he stayed on the pitch as long as he did, he was awful.
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A really disappointing afternoon.
We started well, and kept them at arms length for the first half. However we didn't really make their keeper work - other than Bacuna's miss I don't recall him having to do a lot.
An obvious point is that all 5 of our goals conceded have been in the second half. RDM's team talks must be very weird, or as Chico said to me, teams show us a lot of respect in the first half, realise we aren't actually that good and then lay into us and turn us over.
All three were poor goals to concede but we gave away 4-5 free kicks on the edge of our box and the you could sense the third goal coming. By then the players had shown they had no stomach for a fight, and that scares me massively. They reminded me of England v Iceland, in particular the way that Chester and another (Ayew?) took yellow cards for petulance, because they had lost the plot.
Re Ayew, I wasn't too far from the tunnel and he was clearly being booed as he left the pitch. RDM needs to put a sensor on him with a remote control and when he is in the box and about to shoot he should receive a mild shock that reminds him to look for a square pass.
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We have made good signings in my opinion, either they need to gel or aren't being given the right instructions. I'd give it a bit longer before I call for the managers head
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The refereeing in this league is abysmal. Clattenburg's toupee would do a better job. They're rank.
We move the ball so.slowly it's excruciating, never mind a pacey outlet to feed balls into. That's Westwood's fault, the useless little shit. Being ten times better than Gardner says more about how pathetic our squad is than him.
We lack penetration and need an attacking midfielder and somebody mobile up top.
1 win in 5 is relegation form and entirely unacceptable. We've played 5 rank teams as well, utter shite and yet we've pissed our pants against four of them. Garbage.
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The number of Villa bookings was ridiculous but they weren't all for fouls. Some were for showing dissent, which now gets an automatic yellow.
I agree with what you've all said about Ayew and the away fans made it clear what they thought of his pathetic performance. The tunnel was at our end, and Ayew got lots of abuse as he walked off
Abusing players doesn't really help though does it?
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Five games in and we have looked good for an awful lot of those 5 games. A lot of new players, new management team and new owner will all take time to settle, understand and build a team. After a defeat like today it's is easy to get very downhearted but we won't turn round 5 years of a losing mentality in 5 or 6 games over 3 weeks. We need to have patience, as hard as it is, and let the team develop.
The teams that have started well are teams that the vast majority played together last season. It doesn't mean the same teams will finish as strongly, and it doesn't mean we won't learn how to close games out.
makes sense
Yes it does
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The team is used to losing, the fans are used to predicting the worst.
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Can anyone who was at the game tell me what Ross McCormack's contribution was? I think he is a class player and am willing him to succeed, but I'm getting a bit twitchy about him not scoring- does RDM need to change the way we play to get the best out of him ?
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McCormacks contribution consisted of finding himself in acres of space for a tap in if only Ayew WOULD HAVE GOT HIS FUCKING HEAD UP!
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Just seen the goals. The 2nd we conceded is truly shocking.
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Pity they forgot the red carpet for the second. It's truly abysmal? Of the softest goals we've conceded that one angers me the most.
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Ayew is a technically good player but he hasn't got the mentality for this division, I'd sell him and replace him with somebody who's first instinct is to just twat it in the net and not beat the player 3 or 4 times.
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McCormacks contribution consisted of finding himself in acres of space for a tap in if only Ayew WOULD HAVE GOT HIS FUCKING HEAD UP!
Ha ha! Thanks , I suspected as much - I'd get rid, he is another 'me' rather than team man.
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Still no bottle being shown. Ayew, take the money and cash in, get in a team player, even when he has good games there's not much end product to it all. Gollini, don't rate him yet, wasn't what was needed. A new defence doesn't need a young keeper learning his trade. Very poor today.
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Five games in and we have looked good for an awful lot of those 5 games. A lot of new players, new management team and new owner will all take time to settle, understand and build a team. After a defeat like today it's is easy to get very downhearted but we won't turn round 5 years of a losing mentality in 5 or 6 games over 3 weeks. We need to have patience, as hard as it is, and let the team develop.
The teams that have started well are teams that the vast majority played together last season. It doesn't mean the same teams will finish as strongly, and it doesn't mean we won't learn how to close games out.
I would love to agree with this but I can't. I could take the mixed results at this stage but I can not accept the way we have capitulated in matches where the opposition had decided to have a go, Luton, Huddersfield (we were lucky not to lose that) and today Bristol City.
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The other thing is Bristol City, Bristol fcukin City had a game in midweek that went to extra time. We've had a fcukin week off. Dear God it's shocking.
They didn't even have their best striker today... I notice Kodjia was absent.
Most of their team today didn't play in the LC game.
So they've got a better squad than us then?
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We should have been so out of sight in the first half that we shouldn't even be talking about goalkeeping or defending. We should be talking about leading 3 or 4 nil and taking the royal piss knocking it about in the second.
Exactly. At half time I said to my old man we have habit of only playing for one half. How true. Ayew cost us the game.
Special mention to the City fans who never sang once before the goal. Possibly the poorest home support I have ever seen in 37 years of away games.
And also the ref who was red in the second half.
And finally Jack, like a ballerina on speed trying to play with a bunch of numpties , slower than pensioners clad in old fashioned diving bell suits.
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As for Ayew, I'm surprised he stayed on the pitch as long as he did, he was awful.
Clamps the bench was feckin awful which is a big worry that why probably.
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Dr Tony went to Verona,
In a Ford Corsair,
Bought us back a new goalie,
Who turned into a nightmare.
The writing was on the wall when Gollini failed to hold a shot to his right in the first half. Awful mistake by him for their first goal.
RDM needs to put one of those flames that accompanied the players onto the pitch up Ayew's arse.
Thought Grealish was easily our best player today. The new outfield players need time to gel but that doesn't excuse the attitude of both Ayew and Bacuna in continually failing to track back in the second-half.
Was really impressed with the improvements to Ashton Gate; my first visit since 1982.
Pleased to meet 'dorsetvillian' (Richard), who had my spare ticket.
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We lose and lose again. It's getting boring.
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Dr Tony went to Verona,
In a Ford Corsair,
Bought us back a new goalie,
Who turned into a nightmare.
The writing was on the wall when Gollini failed to hold a shot to his right in the first half. Awful mistake by him for their first goal.
RDM needs to put one of those flames that accompanied the players onto the pitch up Ayew's arse.
Thought Grealish was easily our best player today. The new outfield players need time to gel but that doesn't excuse the attitude of both Ayew and Bacuna in continually failing to track back in the second-half.
Was really impressed with the improvements to Ashton Gate; my first visit since 1982.
Pleased to meet 'dorsetvillian' (Richard), who had my spare ticket.
Gollini needs taking out of the firing line but with only Bunn that is not an option. He looks less and less confident and the defence look jittery with him behind them. I think the young man has potential but we cannot simply hold onto heartstrings right at the moment, otherwise the likes of Hutton would also be playing.
Ayew is a decent player but he needs to learn to link up properly with Ross. As for the Scot himself, he gave a Saunders 110% workout, he needs to stop looking for cheap freekicks and use his skills more.
As for Jack well I think he is improving wouldn't say he was our best performer out there today.
Bacuna again is struggling with the right back behind him but this new "team" needs bedding in. We all want automatic promotion but the chances of the same are slim to say the least.
Are you really sure about the facilities at Ashton Gate? It was rammed just inside the turnstiles and the bogs were a disgrace.
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The other thing is Bristol City, Bristol fcukin City had a game in midweek that went to extra time. We've had a fcukin week off. Dear God it's shocking.
They didn't even have their best striker today... I notice Kodjia was absent.
Most of their team today didn't play in the LC game.
So they've got a better squad than us then?
Not really, just that saying they played midweek is irrelevant as most of them that played today didn't play in the LC.
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Haven't seen Gollini's latest howler but let's face it he's a dud if he's already cost us 3 goals in 5 games. New keeper to go with the "world class" striker.
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Plenty of keepers look shaky at 21 and I think Gollini has huge potential but we need a better alternative to Bunn, much like we need 2 more strikers and a winger to give us options from the bench. We missed Gestede today, and I think we will hit form for a sustained period and make the play offs this season, but we have to get some options in.
Re the other games, Luton was a different side completely, and Huddersfield, much like today, we should have been out of sight. That adds pressure when you know you should have it won and haven't. Also you get the 2nd goal, and the whole attitude changes. I think we are desperate for someone clinical with movement to play in front of McCormack.
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RDM has to look at his system, we have a Westwood dress in the centre of midfield therefore we cannot afford 3 attack minded players, especially when Ayew at his best is not a team player, lets go 442 for a while tighten up, grind out results, long season but all is not lost yet, mind you soon will be if RDM does not sort it and quickly.
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if he doesn't sort it quickly he's toast - the Doctor won't dither over a diagnosis.
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Agree Mr U, the dithering of the Lerner years will not be repeated. It must not be repeated. The notion that we have all the time in the world and that returning to the top flight must be done in easy stages over however long it takes must not be allowed to take root.
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totally Brian, you don't spend like we have to be an also ran in an also ran league. The doctor will want positive results, fast.
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Yes, and if you consider the seven meaningful games we have played - Boro, Wednesday, Luton, Rotherham, Huddersfield, Derby and Bristol City that represents 12-13% of the games we will play all season depending on the FA Cup and play offs. That is a good chunk of games to assess what we are getting right and what we are getting wrong.
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Agree Mr U, the dithering of the Lerner years will not be repeated. It must not be repeated.
Did we dither. or make the wrong appointments? The role call of failed managers suggests the latter.
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we did both - dithered, for example, when we should have binned Lambert months before, and fucked up with the replacement. Add idiocy and repeat.
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McCormacks contribution consisted of finding himself in acres of space for a tap in if only Ayew WOULD HAVE GOT HIS FUCKING HEAD UP!
This happened right in front of me. There was not even a token look up from Ayew.
Even if he was always going to shoot, looking across goal would have made the keeper think that there might a cross and adjust his positioning.
Looking up would also have reminded Ayew where the goal actually was because, judging by where the shot ended up, it wasn't where he thought it was.
A talented footballer who's turning into the second coming of Zog
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I was also very disappointed with Jedi. His passing was terrible
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McCormacks contribution consisted of finding himself in acres of space for a tap in if only Ayew WOULD HAVE GOT HIS FUCKING HEAD UP!
This happened right in front of me. There was not even a token look up from Ayew.
Even if he was always going to shoot, looking across goal would have made the keeper think that there might a cross and adjust his positioning.
Looking up would also have reminded Ayew where the goal actually was because, judging by where the shot ended up, it wasn't where he thought it was.
A talented footballer who's turning into the second coming of Zog
the crap I had thrown at me for suggesting that maybe Ayew is not the answer.
Keep at all costs!
I think the Nzog comparison is fair.
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Just seen the goals - not really any GK errors.
Yeah there weren't any real howlers but again and again, how easy is it to cut through midfield.
Just wrote that as Gollini was assumed to be at fault for one or two.
Agree that it was easy to cut through the midfield, but the GK looked partially at fault for all three to me.
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I don't even know what Ayew is. He's like a hybrid of good at some stuff unless at others. It's almost like he takes the place of a proper striker should we actually find one in the next few days.
He's N'zog Mark II.
A combination of an attacker who doesn't score and a midfielder that doesn't get involved - and who thinks he's way better than he actually is.
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I watched today - from the home end - :0(. We were cracking first half, bossed it and a smart goal from Grealish.
Positives:
-looked totally comfortable for 45 mins
-de laet looked like an actual defender and won lots of headers, rare for a full back
-jedinak's beard
-jack, when he was in the game, classy
Negatives (aside from the second half fold, again):
-Westwood. Visibly lost his bottle after half time. Looked and played as if shell shocked. The sooner Tish or a new player permanently replaces him the better
-Amavi, happy to cut him some slack after so long out, but his positional sense needs improving and he needs to find the attacking rhythm and confidence he had a year ago
-Ayew. He can't be in the same team as McCormack, in my view, both strikers who don't occupy dangerous positions, we can't carry two of those and Jack.
Not much else to fault, just a shit 10 mins took the gloss off what would otherwise have been a competent but otherwise unspectacular away win.
#believe
The balance of the team hasn't been right so far, but I don't think it's too far off.
Grealish is the only player with any true quality - and he's proving it at the moment.
He needs a solid left back behind him - someone who can forward when the opportunity allows, but needs to be primarily a defender - Cissoko is a filler but unfortunately looks like an accident waiting to happen. Amavi doesn't fit the bill either.
Ayew is a waste of space and the midfield is weak as a result. We need three players who can hold the centre of the field and then an attacking right back to create width and pace down the right (hopefully this is De Laet)
I don't see a problem with Gusted and McCormack up front in centre - but any improvements would be welcome
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Anyone else think Jedinak had a stinker on his debut? I know we all have bad days.
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all beard and no shave
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Anyone else think Jedinak had a stinker on his debut? I know we all have bad days.
i guess there was a reason he could not get in the Palace team.
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Anyone else think Jedinak had a stinker on his debut? I know we all have bad days.
i guess there was a reason he could not get in the Palace team.
Apart from when he played in their first game of the season you mean.
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Anyone else think Jedinak had a stinker on his debut? I know we all have bad days.
i guess there was a reason he could not get in the Palace team.
Apart from when he played in their first game of the season you mean.
yes Clappy
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Anyone else think Jedinak had a stinker on his debut? I know we all have bad days.
i guess there was a reason he could not get in the Palace team.
Apart from when he played in their first game of the season you mean.
yes Clappy
Thanks Chicago Loon.
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Anyone else think Jedinak had a stinker on his debut? I know we all have bad days.
i guess there was a reason he could not get in the Palace team.
:)
Apart from when he played in their first game of the season you mean.
yes Clappy
Thanks Chicago Loon.
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Cut it out please.
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I tend to agree that ayew plus McCormack plus jack may not fit. They all want to play the same position
I can't comment on Jedinak as j didn't see yday and I've rarely seen him play before. Although I do remember thinking he gave the ball away a lot when I did. But I'll defer to those who've seen more of him
Gollini for the first goal was shocking. I'm concerned because unlike the kicking errors that does seem to be a genuine technical flaw in his game. I've seen it a lot in only a short time.
Ayew - don't know. Wouldn't be averse to cashing in if we could get a proper right sided midfielder in. But we're so short of options we need both I think.
Overall it's obvious that our main problem is the ability to withstand a team really throwing it at us. It's probably mental as much as tactical
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I try not to comment on players after one game because it's a bit unfair but whilst i'm not picking on the player personally, I did wonder before we brought De Laet if we actually needed a new right back. Bacuna was doing fine there and other than the goalkeeping errors, we wasn't conceding. Hutton would have been an adequate back up for this league in any case.
We just need to learn to kill teams off. The confidence will grow like it did during the Rotherham game and then we should be fine.
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Jedinak did a lot of good things in the first half - Kevin Richardson esq if you like.
Unfortunately after half time he was washed away with the tidal wave of shit that we often see in the second half. He almost became Vinny Jones.
First game, hopefully many more good ones to come.
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So much the better team first half. Its criminal that we didn't go on and win the game. Finishing teams off with the 3 clear one on one other chances and we would all be happy.
I'm not sure more players are needed, but more importantly a sports shrink. Its simply a lack of confidence and belief when we let a goal in. The whole team (including the new captains!) just crumble. That's a lot harder, if not impossible to coach, which has me more worried than the lack of a new center forward. I'm just waiting for that one moment when the season turns and confidence returns. When and how I'm not sure?
I was also very disappointed that so many Villa fans simply started to leave at 2-1 and 3-1. They gave up just like the team!
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I was also very disappointed with Jedi. His passing was terrible
When he kept it simple it was fine. Then he'd belt one aimlessly for no reason to nobody in particular. Still playing Pardew long ball in his head.
Won everything in the air mind.
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I agree with Ads about Jedinak. After talking to a Palace friend I'd expected him to dominate, and he didn't. He did win the ball a lot, especially in the air, but usually settled for the short, unambitious pass. And he faded in the second half. By no means a poor debut, but not very impressive either.
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From the games I have seen so far, we look far too open in midfield and when the pressure comes on, we struggle to resist it. I think we need to have a look at changing the formation and going to a three man midfield. The only issue with that is we don't currently have the personnel to play that way. Jedinak and Westwood would compete for the holding position, but then we've only really got Tshibola who can play a bit further forward. I'd look at bringing in another more advanced midfielder and then playing Grealish or Ayew behind McCormack and hopefully a new striker.
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Yes, and if you consider the seven meaningful games we have played - Boro, Wednesday, Luton, Rotherham, Huddersfield, Derby and Bristol City that represents 12-13% of the games we will play all season depending on the FA Cup and play offs. That is a good chunk of games to assess what we are getting right and what we are getting wrong.
That's it. People excused Boro capitulation for one thing or other but since then Luton, Huddersfield and yesterday it has happened again and I see no signs of correction. We lack resolve and determination to deal with adversity and other teams know about it. My view is that we have to get rid of last seasons crumblers such as Westwood, Bacuna, Ayew.
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Yes, and if you consider the seven meaningful games we have played - Boro, Wednesday, Luton, Rotherham, Huddersfield, Derby and Bristol City that represents 12-13% of the games we will play all season depending on the FA Cup and play offs. That is a good chunk of games to assess what we are getting right and what we are getting wrong.
That's it. People excused Boro capitulation for one thing or other but since then Luton, Huddersfield and yesterday it has happened again and I see no signs of correction. We lack resolve and determination to deal with adversity and other teams know about it. My view is that we have to get rid of last seasons crumblers such as Westwood, Bacuna, Ayew.
Amen to that, Olaf. Unfortunately I don't see them doing an offski anytime soon, which is surprising - given Bacuna's burning Champions League ambitions... :o
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From the games I have seen so far, we look far too open in midfield and when the pressure comes on, we struggle to resist it. I think we need to have a look at changing the formation and going to a three man midfield. The only issue with that is we don't currently have the personnel to play that way. Jedinak and Westwood would compete for the holding position, but then we've only really got Tshibola who can play a bit further forward. I'd look at bringing in another more advanced midfielder and then playing Grealish or Ayew behind McCormack and hopefully a new striker.
I agree. Though as you say we don't really have the personnel for the three man midfield. Cleverley and Delph were tailor made for it, playing either side of a sitter and getting up and down. Tish can maybe do that. Otherwise you're looking at bacuna, or asking Westwood to do it
We'd also be very narrow with a front three featuring grealish and McCormack plus a no 9
So I think we'll stick w 4411 for a while yet. Maybe the energy of Tish and the experience of Jedi is the right combo. But it does mean we're less able to get the ball quickly into the forwards in dangerous positions the way Westwood can. I know people think he doesn't do that. But he does. Not brilliantly - but better than any of our other options do
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
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One game is a bit early to start judging Jedinak and De Laet. Jedi has only had a week or so training with us and RDL even less.
I've been trying to back Westwood but he just keeps going missing when we begin losing grip on a game. When we're on top hes fine. He's been playing top flight football for four years. He's got to be better when we need to keep momentum. He's got to be more influential and consistent. Otherwise he can bugger off in January.
Pleasing things for me about the last few games has been that when we've dominated, we've looked a class above. But if you don't get the second, with Villa it starts chipping away at us. Our foot slips off the peddle big time. Cut out the silly errors. Work on some kind of gameplan to counter those moments when the opposition begin having a spell of possession. We don't have that yet and RDM needs to sort that quickly.
We've got a lot of quality in the side but if we can't grind out results, we'll be in no mans land. We can't play Rotherham every week. You have to win ugly sometimes.
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We simply haven't got enough quality in the squad, and any team with a midfield that consists of Westwood and Bacuna is going to struggle. This team isn't good enough to carry passengers, and we need 2 more midfielders to sure things up if that is the outcome when either Jedinak or Tish are out injured/suspended...the outcome without better players coming in is the kind of result that we had yesterday.
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
What you get up to in private is no business of ours. We're not here to judge
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All Welsh are odd.
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Tuscan to the thread please...
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You forgot the bing bong. It doesn't work otherwise
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
No, but I've just had my sister (Lesley) phone up and crow at me.
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
No, but I've just had my sister (Lesley) phone up and crow at me.
Mmmm, I saw Alan waving at me at one point and, just when I thought It was safe, they drove past honking the horn as I was outside a pub waiting for a taxi...so childish.
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I predicted 9th before the season started, that is optimistic at this point. We're so fragile, any pressure we come under we crumble. Luton, Huddersfield, Bristol City, as soon as they came at us we buckled. We are also only capable of playing 'well' for one half. Luton, Huddersfield and yesterday again. Where are all these leaders and captains we signed? Massive couple of days and couple of weeks for us coming up. Signings and a lot of gelling needed.
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
What happened?
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
What happened?
It was rather tense at the time but repeating it makes it sound like a cup of tea with Ghandi and Mother Teresa. We were walking through the town and looking for the station, as we pulled our phones out to check the route about 20 blokes walked over one of the bridges, we both remarked that they weren't Villa fans and before we knew it the one at the front was face to face with me, in a Welsh accent he says " do you want to come and watch the footy with us" thinking he was wanting to check my accent I said "noooo" in my best Welsh tone. There was seemed like minutes of us staring at each other trying to suss out what to do next before they all carried on walking. As we walked further towards the station a riot van spun round and headed back to where we'd met.
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
What happened?
It was rather tense at the time but repeating it makes it sound like a cup of tea with Ghandi and Mother Teresa. We were walking through the town and looking for the station, as we pulled our phones out to check the route about 20 blokes walked over one of the bridges, we both remarked that they weren't Villa fans and before we knew it the one at the front was face to face with me, in a Welsh accent he says " do you want to come and watch the footy with us" thinking he was wanting to check my accent I said "noooo" in my best Welsh tone. There was seemed like minutes of us staring at each other trying to suss out what to do next before they all carried on walking. As we walked further towards the station a riot van spun round and headed back to where we'd met.
Sounds like the infamous South Wales Villa firm.
Why the Welsh accent though? You could have done a Bristol one, unless they were Plaid Cymru militants I suppose.
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Did anyone else have a close encounter with 20 odd Welsh lads after the game?
What happened?
It was rather tense at the time but repeating it makes it sound like a cup of tea with Ghandi and Mother Teresa. We were walking through the town and looking for the station, as we pulled our phones out to check the route about 20 blokes walked over one of the bridges, we both remarked that they weren't Villa fans and before we knew it the one at the front was face to face with me, in a Welsh accent he says " do you want to come and watch the footy with us" thinking he was wanting to check my accent I said "noooo" in my best Welsh tone. There was seemed like minutes of us staring at each other trying to suss out what to do next before they all carried on walking. As we walked further towards the station a riot van spun round and headed back to where we'd met.
Sounds like the infamous South Wales Villa firm.
Why the Welsh accent though? You could have done a Bristol one, unless they were Plaid Cymru militants I suppose.
Easy to spot via the tartan hankies drooping out of their back pockets (apparently). ;)
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Ayew swapped with a real goal-scorer and team player
Keeper is useless. Makes Guzan look like Schmeichel...
since Guzan is the only thing you seem to care about, any chance he was forced upon the manger by that previous owner?
Did I say Guzan is all I care about anywhere in that comment?
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I find the concept of goalkeepers being forced on the manager(s) by an owner to be more than a bit fanciful.
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Especially bad ones.
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It is hard to know what to do about those sort of comments. I think pauliewalnuts just about has the measure of it.
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It is hard to know what to do about those sort of comments. I think pauliewalnuts just about has the measure of it.
From your position (ie: with a foot in the camp of the previous owners), what do you make of the work of the new owners so far?
I'm not digging at you, just genuinely curious.
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I like what I have seen so far, but like the rest, would hope to see another striker and creative midfielder. To be honest, I was concerned about the keeper because of his youth and nothing has changed my mind. Also agree that Guzan was not the answer; his confidence was shot and he was a shadow of the keeper he had been when he kept us up almost singlehandedly for a year or so. Hoping we can get a couple more in here over the next day or so!
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Also agree that Guzan was not the answer; his confidence was shot and he was a shadow of the keeper he had been when he kept us up almost singlehandedly for a year or so
You spelt Benteke wrong.
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Also agree that Guzan was not the answer; his confidence was shot and he was a shadow of the keeper he had been when he kept us up almost singlehandedly for a year or so
You spelt Benteke wrong.
Guzan too, to a lesser extent. He was brilliant for about 12 months.
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From the games I have seen so far, we look far too open in midfield and when the pressure comes on, we struggle to resist it. I think we need to have a look at changing the formation and going to a three man midfield. The only issue with that is we don't currently have the personnel to play that way. Jedinak and Westwood would compete for the holding position, but then we've only really got Tshibola who can play a bit further forward. I'd look at bringing in another more advanced midfielder and then playing Grealish or Ayew behind McCormack and hopefully a new striker.
I agree. Though as you say we don't really have the personnel for the three man midfield. Cleverley and Delph were tailor made for it, playing either side of a sitter and getting up and down. Tish can maybe do that. Otherwise you're looking at bacuna, or asking Westwood to do it
We'd also be very narrow with a front three featuring grealish and McCormack plus a no 9
So I think we'll stick w 4411 for a while yet. Maybe the energy of Tish and the experience of Jedi is the right combo. But it does mean we're less able to get the ball quickly into the forwards in dangerous positions the way Westwood can. I know people think he doesn't do that. But he does. Not brilliantly - but better than any of our other options do
Some good points Matt, but I do think we have been overrun in midfield at times in pretty much most games this season so far.
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Oh I agree. We've basically got four forwards on the pitch which leaves us overrun when the flow is with the opposition - especially as Westwood isn't physical at all.
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Oh I agree. We've basically got four forwards on the pitch which leaves us overrun when the flow is with the opposition - especially as Westwood isn't physical at all.
I agree with your point about balance in midfield. The only real times the midfield has looked anywhere near functional in the last five years were the short period at the end of Lambert's first season (Westwood - Sylla - Delph) and for a few games under Sherwood (Westwood - Cleverley - Delph).