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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: LukeJames on August 01, 2016, 11:35:49 PM
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Hows it going to end then?
1.) Newcastle
2.) Brighton
3.) Norwich
4.) Derby
5.) Villa
6.) Wolves
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I've no idea whatsoever. Maybe Newcastle will go up. That's about it.
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It could be Rotherham or anywhere, not Liverpool or Roma. But Huddersfield is anywhere, anywhere alone.
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the top six will contain Aston Villa if the good Doctor starts to get his wallet out. Otherwise, here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.
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1. Newcastle
2. Derby
3. Sheffield Wed
4. Brighton
5. Norwich
6. Ipswich
10. Villa
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1. Newcastle
2. Derby
3. Sheffield Wed
4. Brighton
5. Norwich
6. Ipswich
10. Villa
With our current lot, something like this is the most realistic for me.
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1 Newcastle
2 Norwich
3 Brighton
4 Sheff Wed
5 derby
6 QPR
11 Villa - unless major changes happen in the next 4 - 5 weeks, if they do, ythen we may threaten a play off position.
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I've no idea whatsoever. Maybe Newcastle will go up. That's about it.
Tend to agree with this. Would be funny though if they don't finish top 2 and they bottle it in the pay offs. They finish 3rd we finish 6th and then beat them!
In reality I'm just hoping for top half well clear of the unwashed from Small Heath.
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September 1st might be the time to ask me.
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Or February 1st?
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Villa will be top 4, and will finish above Norwich and Derby.
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Villa will be top 4, and will finish above Norwich and Derby.
Make mine a pint of whatever Ashtonvilla is on please
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I think Newcastle will walk it, with Derby or Brighton taking the other automatic promotion place. Like others have said, unless we get some quality in before 1st September, I think we'll struggle to get anywhere near the play-offs. With more or less the same squad we finished with 17 points less than the next relegated team, and 23 points short of staying up last season, and I haven't seen a great deal change in pre-season to suggest any improvement . As I've said elsewhere, I think this will be a season of stopping the rot and consolidating before pressing on next season. I'd be ecstatic if we got straight back up but I'm not holding my breath
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1. Aston Villa
2 and beyond- some other tarts.
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Villa will be top 4, and will finish above Norwich and Derby.
Make mine a pint of whatever Ashtonvilla is on please
What's so great about Norwich and Derby? Only Newcastle have a better squad than Villa as it stands (yes I know Norwich finished above us last year).
We have new management now, better coaches and an owner that appears to give a shit. We will be signing a striker and an attacking midfielder before the end of the month, and probably a defensive midfielder and centre back to replace Gana and Clark.
This league is not even close to the standard of the Premier league and our poor performers will look above average in it. The standout teams last season were the likes of Burnley, Boro and Hull. Even Villa were better than Burnley and Hull when they got relegated, yet they both went straight back up despite losing players.
Villa are right at the top end of the league regards net spend, we have got rid of poor players with terrible attitude like are NZogbia, Guzan, Richardson. We are offloading mediocre dross like Clark, Sanchez, Gana and Gil - and getting decent money for them. We are getting in fresh faces with better attitude like Elphick.
I don't get all the negativity.
Blues finished top half last year, and even at our worst we were far too good for them. There i no way we will not finish top 6, and I suspect we will give Newcastle serious competition for the title.
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yes, we were so together we amassed 17 points.
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It could be Rotherham or anywhere, not Liverpool or Roma. But Huddersfield is anywhere, anywhere alone.
Bolton, Barnsley, Nelson, Colne, Burnley, Bradford, Buxton, Crewe, Warrington, Widnes, Wigan, Leeds, Northwich, Nantwich, Knutsford,
Hull, Sale, Salford, Southport, Leigh, Kirkby, Kearsley, Keighley, Maghull, Harrogate, Huddersfield, Oldham, Lancs, Grimsby, Glossop, Hebden Bridge
Alternatively..........
Leeds United, Leeds United
From Wakefield to the Ridings
To the ground at Elland Road
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Villa will be top 4, and will finish above Norwich and Derby.
Make mine a pint of whatever Ashtonvilla is on please
...There i no way we will not finish top 6
Top 6 I would have gone along with
Strong stuff isn't it
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Villa need to strengthen during August, then RDM needs to find his best team. Given that these two happen, and I think they will, then I believe Villa can challenge for an automatic promotion place. I think Newcastle are favourites to be champions because they are ahead of us in terms of squad strength.
2nd - 4th place is my prediction.
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I think 2nd too.
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I predict we'll get promoted at the first attempt, and I believe theres no reason to think that we couldnt do it as Champions
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At the moment I think Villa could finish anywhere between 10 and 2. Can't really make a bold prediction until the window is shut. If we don't lose too many of the better players and make say three strong sighings then I think we should be very much in the mix. Otherwise think it will be a scrap for the play-offs at best.
Newcastle and Norwich will both go back up I think. Then it will be one from us, Derby, Brighton etc...
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We will finish 1st, couldn't care less about anyone else.
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We will finish 1st, couldn't care less about anyone else.
Yes, but the threads called Top 6 Championship not top 1 lol.
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I really don't know where we will finish. It could be anywhere.
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Mid-table mediocrity with the current rabble. The early signings showed some promise but we need to make a few more additions if we want to challenge for the top 6.
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Mid-table mediocrity with the current rabble. The early signings showed some promise but we need to make a few more additions if we want to challenge for the top 6.
Elphick seems the most promising of the signings so far. The other two seem more for the future. The lad from Reading is very underwhelming it seems. Mid-table wouldn't surprise me, but likewise we could be in the shake up at the top also. The one thing I'm confident of is that it will be play-offs at best. Don't see us going up via the top two.
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Mid table. Still have the losers and wankers with their mentality and attitude. An injection of experience, skill and power would push us in to the play off positions and more.
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We will finish 1st, couldn't care less about anyone else.
Yes, but the threads called Top 6 Championship not top 1 lol.
Alright if I have to - 1 Villa 2 Newcastle 3 Derby 4 Brighton 5 Norwich 6 Sheff Weds
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1) Derby
2) Norwich
3) Brighton
4) Sheffield Wednesday
5) Newcastle
6) Cardiff
We need a good striker desperately. If we rely on current players, I think mid table beckons. If we can get 3/4 good quality players in then a shot at the play offs will not be out of the question. Unlike a lot of other people, I don't think Newcastle will find it too easy either to make the automatic promotion spots.
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Hows it going to end then?
With an almighty bang!
Sorry, wrong topic.....I thought this was about the end of the world.....
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Based on the form of the clubs that finished in the top 6 last season, there's no messing about. Four of the top six were right there nearly from the beginning. Here's a chart that I did this morning mapping the changes in their places from week 5 (left) to the final day (right)
(https://s31.postimg.org/xcu5b492j/SNAG_Program_0004.jpg)
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fuck ; better get off to a flyer then
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I've no idea who will finish where but I think Newcastle will finish top quite comfortably, just read they've sold more season tickets for this season than they did last season.
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Burnley had a bit of a dip didn't they?
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No idea...and to be honest, how many of us knew anything about most of the teams in this division last season, let alone know what they are going to be like this season...
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Hows it going to end then?
With an almighty bang!
Sorry, wrong topic.....I thought this was about the end of the world.....
(AIFF)
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Would not surprise me if we on Sunday then lose against rotherham - if that's the pattern then we could finish anywhere between 2nd an 10th - we don't win lower leagues
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Wolves may be a concern with all the players they are bringing in , we need a decent start but at moment we still don't look ready for the league
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Impossible to say as I believe we'll have at least 5 leave, including Gana, and 5 in.
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Based on the form of the clubs that finished in the top 6 last season, there's no messing about. Four of the top six were right there nearly from the beginning. Here's a chart that I did this morning mapping the changes in their places from week 5 (left) to the final day (right)
(https://s31.postimg.org/xcu5b492j/SNAG_Program_0004.jpg)
i love this,I think the Burnley line is too purple though.
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it's actually a new underground map found in Mondrian's studio when he was on the absinthe
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i love this,I think the Burnley line is too purple though.
Thanks. I couldn't find a good claret in the crap Excel colours
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Newcastle to get promoted, no idea to be honest on the other two to get promoted or finish in the top six..
As for us I predict another poor season...
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i love this,I think the Burnley line is too purple though.
Thanks. I couldn't find a good claret in the crap Excel colours
you and our kit makers.
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i love this,I think the Burnley line is too purple though.
Thanks. I couldn't find a good claret in the crap Excel colours
Fuck sake. Could this club sink any lower?
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Would it be too optimistic to think that the goals McCormack will hopefully bring will be enough to at least keep us minimum in playoff contention? I'd like to think automatic promotion (because the playoffs are so bloody nerve-wracking), but it seems too alien to be predicting Villa to finish near the top of any league that I think we'll be in the chasing pack. 4th.
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I think we'll add 3-4 players yet which will be enough to finish in the Top 6, not sure about Top 2.
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Keeping my powder dry on top 6 or where we might finish until in's and outs are bit clearer but if we could sort out a well drilled back 4 who keep a good shape and cut out the majority of our well renowned cock ups that would along with a finisher like McCormack go a long way to securing a high season end position, another commanding experienced centre back please.
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I think we'll win it.
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1 AVFC
2 NUFC
3 DCFC
4 WWFC
5 LUFC
6 NCFC
24 BCFC
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1 AVFC
2 NUFC
3 DCFC
4 WWFC
5 LUFC
6 NCFC
24 BCFC
Notts County have done well.
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1 AVFC
2 NUFC
3 DCFC
4 WWFC
5 LUFC
6 NCFC
24 BCFC
Notts County have done well.
Theres always a surprise! ;)
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Can't see Bristol City finishing bottom.
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Can't see Bristol City finishing bottom.
They might. ;)
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Burton surely have bottom spot nailed on?
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Burton surely have bottom spot nailed on?
24. SHA
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As it stands squad wise. May revise if we spend well.
1. Newcastle sadly, best squad, top manager. Don't think they will walk it though.
2. Brighton - Hughton is just good in this league. If they keep Knockaert will be right up there.
3. Norwich - Pritchard is a good move and they are a well organised side.
4. Derby - Pearson will have them up there I think.
5. Villa - McCormack is a great capture all things considered. Play offs.
6. Wolves - Late run as they gel after Christmas, but Zenga to be long gone by then.
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Can't see Norwich doing much with their forwards.
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I think they will be good at the back though. Jerome will get 15 plus. In fact a reckon Jerome will have a better goal to minutes ratio than Ayew if he stays.
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Not sure about Newcastle. With the squad they have they are favourites, but will RB get the best out of them? He is not used to dealing with players of the quality in the C-ship i.e. wanting them to do / play a certain way but may not be good enough to execute it. Also, come Oct / Nov when a few PL clubs are not doing as well as they hoped and looking to replace a manager, where would they look for a high-profile replacement - if he had a chance to return to the PL, he would go. Maybe, one of the reasons he stayed at Newcastle, waiting for a PL job?
Or they could just walk it...
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I think if one of the top 6 ish sides sack someone early doors he will be in high demand for sure.
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Grauniad place Villa in their candidates for automatic promotion
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/aug/04/championship-2016-17-season-preview
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Not sure about Newcastle. With the squad they have they are favourites, but will RB get the best out of them? He is not used to dealing with players of the quality in the C-ship i.e. wanting them to do / play a certain way but may not be good enough to execute it. Also, come Oct / Nov when a few PL clubs are not doing as well as they hoped and looking to replace a manager, where would they look for a high-profile replacement - if he had a chance to return to the PL, he would go. Maybe, one of the reasons he stayed at Newcastle, waiting for a PL job?
Or they could just walk it...
When you say Benitez is not used to dealing with championship quality players you are over looking the fact he led both Extremadura and CD Tenerife to promotion from the Segunda to La Liga at the first time of asking in the late nineties.
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The bookies go Newcastle, Norwich, Villa, Derby, Brighton and Wolves in that order. Personally I don't fancy Wolves and Brighton might have a hangover from missing out last season. Newcastle look the strongest on paper, Norwich look like one of those yo yo teams not good enough for the top flight but good enough to get promoted and Derby under Pearson must stand a chance.
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Looking at their squad, Newcastle should walk 100 points.
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Wolves are a bit unpredictable because of the gamble they've taken on this new manager. But in general I see them as a mid-table side right now at best.
Think Brighton and Derby are the two who could steal the play-off promotion ahead of us. Newcastle and Norwich for the top two I think.
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Grauniad place Villa in their candidates for automatic promotion
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/aug/04/championship-2016-17-season-preview
A big no for me, Marcel, because the writer calls last summer's signings Remi Garde's.
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Looking at their squad, Newcastle should walk 100 points.
That is a depressing statement.
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Grauniad place Villa in their candidates for automatic promotion
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/aug/04/championship-2016-17-season-preview
Good spot. Maybe she knows something we don't.
A big no for me, Marcel, because the writer calls last summer's signings Remi Garde's.
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Yes, I just read that Grauniad piece and it's extremely lazy. Factually flimsy (on Garde) and full of stupid statements (on Pearson particularly). When the "three players to watch" are the most obvious three in the competition you know it's a half-arsed article by someone who doesn't know their stuff and can't be bothered to dig any deeper.
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Yes, I just read that Grauniad piece and it's extremely lazy. Factually flimsy (on Garde) and full of stupid statements (on Pearson particularly). When the "three players to watch" are the most obvious three in the competition you know it's a half-arsed article by someone who doesn't know their stuff and can't be bothered to dig any deeper.
It isn't a Guardian piece, it is a blog in the Grauniad web space, as they say. And "Louise Taylor is north-east football correspondent for the Guardian". In other words "get involved" with the bantz or we will soon be even more freelance.
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Looking at their squad, Newcastle should walk 100 points.
That is my favourite Proclaimers song.
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1) Newcastle
Other top 6, Derby, AVFC, Norwich, Sheff Wed/Brighton
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Grauniad place Villa in their candidates for automatic promotion
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/aug/04/championship-2016-17-season-preview
If I've read that article correctly, 75% of the teams in the Championship will be getting promoted.
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1 Aston Villa (c)
2 Brighton (P)
3 Newcastle
4 Nottingham Forest (P)
5 Derby County
6 Leeds United
Relegated Burton Albion, Birmingham City, Fulham
Newcastle to miss out on the last day of the season, only to be dumped out in the playoffs with a Clark own goal. Forest to beat Derby in the play off final, where Pearson gets arrested for trying to strangle the ref. Villa to be Champions overtaking West Brom, Stoke and Leicester who get relegated as the natural order of midlands football is restored in one magnificent season.
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1 Aston Villa (c)
2 Brighton (P)
3 Newcastle
4 Nottingham Forest (P)
5 Derby County
6 Leeds United
Relegated Burton Albion, Birmingham City, Fulham
Newcastle to miss out on the last day of the season, only to be dumped out in the playoffs with a Clark own goal. Forest to beat Derby in the play off final, where Pearson gets arrested for trying to strangle the ref. Villa to be Champions overtaking West Brom, Stoke and Leicester who get relegated as the natural order of midlands football is restored in one magnificent season.
Wonderful!
If only.....
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1 Aston Villa (c)
2 Brighton (P)
3 Newcastle
4 Nottingham Forest (P)
5 Derby County
6 Leeds United
Relegated Burton Albion, Birmingham City, Fulham
Wonderful!
If only.....
I'd settle for us coming second as long as that shit finished second bottom
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1 Aston Villa (c)
2 Brighton (P)
3 Newcastle
4 Nottingham Forest (P)
5 Derby County
6 Leeds United
Relegated Burton Albion, Birmingham City, Fulham
Newcastle to miss out on the last day of the season, only to be dumped out in the playoffs with a Clark own goal. Forest to beat Derby in the play off final, where Pearson gets arrested for trying to strangle the ref. Villa to be Champions overtaking West Brom, Stoke and Leicester who get relegated as the natural order of midlands football is restored in one magnificent season.
Wonderful!
If only.....
If Carlsberg did the championship
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1 Aston Villa (c)
2 Brighton (P)
3 Newcastle
4 Nottingham Forest (P)
5 Derby County
6 Leeds United
Relegated Burton Albion, Birmingham City, Fulham
Newcastle to miss out on the last day of the season, only to be dumped out in the playoffs with a Clark own goal. Forest to beat Derby in the play off final, where Pearson gets arrested for trying to strangle the ref. Villa to be Champions overtaking West Brom, Stoke and Leicester who get relegated as the natural order of midlands football is restored in one magnificent season.
Wonderful!
If only.....
Oh and I forgot to mention us beating West Ham in the FA cup final, sealing victory in injury time with a last second overhead bicycle kick from Gollini.
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Amazed by the number of pundits predicting us to come below Blues.
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Amazed by the number of pundits predicting us to come below Blues.
It's actually ridiculous how anyone being paid to offer expert advice can predict that and still have a job. The editor should be sending them running from the office avoiding the hurled teacup whilst trying to hold on to their P45.
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Reality has just kicked in. I'm sat watching the warm up for the first championship game of the season excited. Never gave it the slightest thought before
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I see Fulham lead by three points.
I see Newcastle are clearly bottom on goal difference.
Good enough to date.
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Based on the form of the clubs that finished in the top 6 last season, there's no messing about. Four of the top six were right there nearly from the beginning. Here's a chart that I did this morning mapping the changes in their places from week 5 (left) to the final day (right)
(https://s31.postimg.org/xcu5b492j/SNAG_Program_0004.jpg)
Looks like Villa are going to have to do whatever Derby & Wednesday did last season to climb into the Top 6 this season.
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Based on the form of the clubs that finished in the top 6 last season, there's no messing about. Four of the top six were right there nearly from the beginning. Here's a chart that I did this morning mapping the changes in their places from week 5 (left) to the final day (right)
(https://s31.postimg.org/xcu5b492j/SNAG_Program_0004.jpg)
Looks like Villa are going to have to do whatever Derby & Wednesday did last season to climb into the Top 6 this season.
Yeah, but if you look at that Burnley meandered around 5th until after Christmas. As long as we are not 20 points off it by that point, there is still every chance of going up automatically even though that feels a long way off from where we are at the moment. We've still got more than an entire Premier League season's worth of fixtures left, having started with pretty much an entirely new side.
It's not been a great start, but I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think once the side gels that they couldn't go on a decent unbeaten run. Do that and you'll fly up this league.
Also, it would be interesting to see what happened to all of the clubs who were in the Top 6 after 7 games because they are not all there. I'm guessing a couple of team that got off to flyers last year soon plumetted (e.g. the Sty Dwellers).
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Based on the form of the clubs that finished in the top 6 last season, there's no messing about. Four of the top six were right there nearly from the beginning. Here's a chart that I did this morning mapping the changes in their places from week 5 (left) to the final day (right)
(https://s31.postimg.org/xcu5b492j/SNAG_Program_0004.jpg)
Looks like Villa are going to have to do whatever Derby & Wednesday did last season to climb into the Top 6 this season.
Didn't Derby sack their manager?
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I still think we'll make the top 6.
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And me Paul
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Newcastle
Norwich
Brighton
Sheff Weds
A surprise team like Fulham Barnsley Huddersfield
Us
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I think we will too.
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Working on the full season graphs at the moment, but here's the table at ~ this time last year
(http://i67.tinypic.com/k99no0.jpg)
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I'm still optimistic. Despite the recent results a leading index bookmaker still projects us to get 67.5 points and finish 6th. 2 1/2 points ahead of Derby, but 11 1/2 points behind Norwich in 2nd. At this stage I would take the play-offs.
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I think we will there or thereabouts for the play offs. We are a mistake or two for automatic promotion
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I'm still optimistic. Despite the recent results a leading index bookmaker still projects us to get 67.5 points and finish 6th. 2 1/2 points ahead of Derby, but 11 1/2 points behind Norwich in 2nd. At this stage I would take the play-offs.
Day out winning at Wembley would be just fine by me...
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To get automatic last season was 90 points.
6th place is usually low 70s.
It's a much more achievable target for us.
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I said 9th at the start of the season, I stand by that.
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You could well be right.
As things stand I'd say we will just miss out on top 6 and will rue all these points we've thrown away.
What I'm clinging onto is surely we will go on a run at some point. That will change things as you only need to win 2-3 in this league and you can shoot up 5-6 places.
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I'm still optimistic. Despite the recent results a leading index bookmaker still projects us to get 67.5 points and finish 6th. 2 1/2 points ahead of Derby, but 11 1/2 points behind Norwich in 2nd. At this stage I would take the play-offs.
I'll bet any bookie we won't at any time this season be two and half points ahead of Derby.
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Working on the full season graphs at the moment, but here's the table at ~ this time last year
(http://i67.tinypic.com/k99no0.jpg)
Well the most obvious example there is Wednesday, made the Play off final which I'd snap your hands off if offered tbh and they weren't that far off automatics.
Preston also had a great run second half of the season, weren't far off making top 6.
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If we win tomorrow I reckon we can make second.
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Still confident of top 6, anything better will be a massive bonus
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Well the most obvious example there is Wednesday, made the Play off final which I'd snap your hands off if offered tbh and they weren't that far off automatics.
Preston also had a great run second half of the season, weren't far off making top 6.
See my comment on page 6
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Last time we were in this league, we had 6 points after 7 games, having lost 3 of them. We didn't win a home game until the middle of October.That didn't turm out too bad did it?
New manager, new team, new regime. It will take time.
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Last time we were in this league, we had 6 points after 7 games, having lost 3 of them. We didn't win a home game until the middle of October.That didn't turm out too bad did it?
New manager, new team, new regime. It will take time.
Absolutely.
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Play offs for me. I think we'll hit form soon. Not sure it will be with RDM though. A tricky spell for him with 3 tough games to come. If we pick up a couple of wins this could kickstart our season. I'm not baying for blood manager wise but I just don't think Dr T will dither if he wants to change.
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Its a very close division points wise. A lift pre-Christmas and a strong second half run then we can still make the play-offs. Its too early to rule us out.
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Still feel the same boys?
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Its a very close division points wise. A lift pre-Christmas and a strong second half run then we can still make the play-offs.
It's never going to happen.
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Move to other football. It's got fuck all to do with us.