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Title: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 26, 2016, 09:36:52 PM
Fill your boots, I haven't a clue and there isnt long to go now.
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: N'Zimidy on July 26, 2016, 09:52:08 PM
Gollini, Hutton, Elphick, Baker, Cissokho, Gardner, Westwood, Tshibola, Grealish, Ayew, Gestede


Still looks pretty grim at the moment.
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: Richard on July 26, 2016, 09:53:21 PM
Gollini

Hutton
Bennett as Amavi clearly is not ready yet
Elphick
Clark as he's better than Baker/Lescott and I reckon Okore won't be played on the left

Westwood or possibly Sanchez
Tshibola

Ayew
Grealish
Sinclair

Gestede

Subs :
Bunn
Okore
Sanchez
Veretout
Green
RHM
Bacuna

Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: Fasth56 on July 26, 2016, 09:54:04 PM
                                          Gollini
      Hutton            Elphick              Okore           Amavi
                           
                             Gana                 Tshibola
      Green                                                          Hepburn Murphy
                                         
                                         Grealish
                                           
                                           Ayew

This obviously doesn't take account of the two new strikers and the ball winning and playmaking midfielders we will be buying.
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: brontebilly on July 26, 2016, 10:48:27 PM
Gollini

Hutton
Bennett as Amavi clearly is not ready yet
Elphick
Clark as he's better than Baker/Lescott and I reckon Okore won't be played on the left

Westwood or possibly Sanchez
Tshibola

Ayew
Grealish
Sinclair

Gestede

Subs :
Bunn
Okore
Sanchez
Veretout
Green
RHM
Bacuna

Grim, Sinclair and Sanchez should be gone by then and hopefully a few more. Is Kozak still with us?

------------------Gollini
Okore, Elphick, Clark, Bennett
Green, Westwood, Tshibola, Grealish
----------------Ayew, Gestede
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2016, 07:31:57 AM
Starting XI or staring 11.

X1 is the bus from Weston to Bristol


EDIT: No Edit. I've left my error since Mister E has used it for a joke
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2016, 07:36:40 AM
Starting XI or staring 11.

X1 is the bus from Weston to Bristol
"staring 11" - return of the zombies?
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2016, 08:12:43 AM
Gollini

Hutton (reluctantly)
Elphick
Okore
Amavi (if fit, Cissokho)

Green
Gardner
Tshibola
Grealish

Ayew
Gestede

a 4-4-2 setup with Ayew playing off Gestede.
It's really not a strong line-up. I'm not counting Richards, Veretout, Sanchez, Gueye or Sinclair as all could well be off before the opening day.
Not sure about Adama's fitness, I don't think he's kicked a ball pre-season so far.
Green is the only other option for the right side. I suppose Bacuna could play there, I'd rather he didn't.

Grealish can do a job left hand side, or maybe have a bit of a re-shuffle and play him more centrally with Ayew and Green playing wide, but we'd lose our main goal threat in Ayew - or even Bennett at LB, with Amavi left wing? (if he's fit enough)

I don't think we should go with a centre midfield of 3, my two above any maybe Westwood - I don't think it gives us enough options going forward.

Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2016, 09:35:36 AM
Goalkeeperini

McCafu
Tommy (c)
Fake-Viking
Joe

Andre the not so Giant
Pointy
Tish
Jack 'fer feck's sake shoot' Grealish

Jordan 'I can't come up with any silly nickname for him' Ayew
JustHead

4-4-2


If 4-4-3, move Andre or Jack further forward, drop the other and bring in GG to midfield

(assumes Gana and Carlos have left by then)
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 27, 2016, 09:50:51 AM
Goalkeeperini

McCafu
Tommy (c)
Fake-Viking
Joe

Andre the not so Giant
Pointy
Tish
Jack 'fer feck's sake shoot' Grealish

Jordan 'I can't come up with any silly nickname for him' Ayew
JustHead

4-4-2


If 4-4-3, move Andre or Jack further forward, drop the other and bring in GG to midfield

(assumes Gana and Carlos have left by then)
4-4-3, Ive just got rid of the 1 and look where its turned up. ;)
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2016, 10:09:01 AM
Its my new cunning plan to guarantee promotion  ;D
Title: Re: Starting X1 V Sheff Wed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2016, 10:47:29 AM
Gollini

Hutton (reluctantly)
Elphick
Okore
Amavi (if fit, Cissokho)

Green
Gardner
Tshibola
Grealish

Ayew
Gestede

a 4-4-2 setup with Ayew playing off Gestede.


Near enough the team I would go for, but in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

                       
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 27, 2016, 10:55:31 AM
Gollini, Hutton, Elphick, Baker, Cissokho, Gardner, Westwood, Tshibola, Grealish, Ayew, Gestede

I'd go with this unless Gana stays and I'd put him in for Westwood subs bench: Bunn, Green, Hepburn, Bennett, Sinclair, Sanchez, Okore

This looks a balanced capable unit to me.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 11:02:33 AM
Gollini

Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Bennett

Westwood
Tish
Grealish
Veretout
Green

Ayew
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2016, 12:56:14 PM
I have to admit, I wasn't overly impressed with either Gardner or Tshibola last night.Both were a bit slow to the ball and sloppy in possession. Sanchez looked a lot more composed and effective  than either of them when he came on.

I'd go as follows;

Gollini

Hutton
Clark
Elphick
Bennett

Sanchez
Westwood

Grealish
Ayew
Sinclair

Gestede (or preferably new signing)
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Gollini, Hutton, Elphick, Okore, Amavi (or Sissoko), Bacuna (or pref new signing), Tshibola, Westwood, Grealish, Ayew, Gestede.

I think these will be gone - Veretout, Guzan, Gueye (unfortunately as I'd stick him in ahead of Westwood otherwise)
I hope these will be gone too - Agbonlahor, Richards, Sinclair, Sanchez

Subs:
Cissoko and Bacuna if Amavi is fit and we sign a new right side midfielder)
+ Bunn, Clark, Green, Gardner, Hepburn-Murphy.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2016, 03:05:48 PM
Is Clark injured?
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 27, 2016, 03:48:03 PM
Is Clark injured?

yes
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2016, 06:51:59 PM
Gollini, Hutton, Elphick, Baker, Cissokho, Gardner, Westwood, Tshibola, Grealish, Ayew, Gestede


Still looks pretty grim at the moment.

Would agree with that, very grim.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
The defence and front line is better than what Wednesday have. Unless you think Hooper and Bannan are superstars.

Midfield needs work. I'm not sure why Westwood is omitted from some of these sides either.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2016, 10:52:01 PM
Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Okore (Clark)
Amavi, if fit. Unlikely, so Cissokho

Tshibola
Gardner

Ayew
Grealish
Sinclair

Gestede

Boy do we need signings. Replace Gardner, Gestede, Hutton and Sinclair please.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: KRS on July 28, 2016, 12:44:38 AM
RDM should play the strongest team regardless of experience and cost, and pick a formation to suit those players...


Gollini

Hutton
Elphick
Clark/Baker/Okore (not sure which is worse)
Amavi (Cissokho/Bennett...again not sure which is the better option if Amavi is injured)

Westwood
Tshibola

Green
Grealish
Ayew

Hepburn-Murphy


Either 4231 or 442 diamond with Ayew playing alongside RHM.


edit: I think Gana, Richards, Sanchez, Sinclair and Veretout will all be leaving so wouldn't include any of them.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: villadelph on July 28, 2016, 03:32:56 AM
RDM should play the strongest team regardless of experience and cost, and pick a formation to suit those players...


Gollini

Hutton
Elphick
Clark/Baker/Okore (not sure which is worse)
Amavi (Cissokho/Bennett...again not sure which is the better option if Amavi is injured)

Westwood
Tshibola

Green
Grealish
Ayew

Hepburn-Murphy


Either 4231 or 442 diamond with Ayew playing alongside RHM.


edit: I think Gana, Richards, Sanchez, Sinclair and Veretout will all be leaving so wouldn't include any of them.

But to be fair if Gana or Veretout featured and picked up a knock, ending the interest in them, I'd be okay with it..

This thread makes me feel really uneasy. No pun intended but I hope this Italian between the sticks is ready to go. I really don't like our midfield at the moment.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: VancouverLion on July 28, 2016, 03:45:33 AM
Thought Bennett had done ok pre season, surely if Amavi is considered not match fit yet he has to play? Cissokho is useless imo, or is he a different player from what I see over here on the box?
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: enigma on July 28, 2016, 04:26:18 AM
No matter which players are picked, the team doesn't look very inspiring does it? I'd hoped for more transfer activity both in and out by now.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: rougegorge on July 28, 2016, 05:43:47 AM
No matter which players are picked, the team doesn't look very inspiring does it? I'd hoped for more transfer activity both in and out by now.
I agree. If someone had said 2 months ago that we'd sign Elphick, Gollini,  and Tshibola and go with that with just over a week to go to the start of the season,  I would have been non-plussed, especially as I had no awareness of the latter pair at all. They may turn out to be great, and I know we're not in the Premier League any more, but at the moment I'm left scratching my head.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: KRS on July 28, 2016, 06:54:59 AM
As a benchmark, how many players have Newcastle and Norwich signed so far? and are they known quality players?

Similarly, what about the teams that we will hopefully be competing with at the top end of the table...how does our squad compare to the likes of Brighton, Derby, Sheff Weds, Ipswich, Cardiff, Brentford, Blose, Preston and QPR?
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2016, 06:55:15 AM
I agree if we go with the current squad it's very hard to see us fighting for the promotion. But I'm still optimistic we'll get at least one centre forward and one creative midfielder - presumably right sided. As things stand, I reckon it might be the following v Wednesday

Gollini - Hutton Elphick baker cissokho - bacuna Westwood tshibola Sinclair - grealish - ayew

Then I'd imagine Sinclair may leave and ayew will go back to that position; a new centre forward comes in and a new player on the right with green as his under study

He could go with gestede v Wednesday but from what I've read I doubt he's been that impressed.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 07:12:40 AM
that line up scares the fuck out of me - if Bacuna and Westwood asre the answer, what is the question? As things stand we are not good enough for a serious challenge.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2016, 08:13:45 AM
I agree it wouldn't get promoted. But the choice for right mid is either bacuna or green making his debut at 18.

Ditto it's Westwood or gardner. I'd love it to be Gardner but to plunge him and tshibola in together seems a real risk. I still think a lower level premier league team might come in for Westwood. They're not going to come in for Gardner

I think we all agree we need more quality. I think that's most important in the attack / creative dept  though.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2016, 08:48:06 AM
Fundamentally we are still confronted with the same problem as we were at the end of last season.  Do we stick with players who have over a long period fallen short of the standards expected of them or do we replace them with the young, largely untried players we have?  Black, to his eternal discredit did not use the end of last season to help make this season's start any easier.  He approached every game as a damage limitation exercise when we were already relegated.
In the pre seasons I have seen the younger players acquitted themselves well.  Green, Hepburn-Murphy, Toner, Gardner, Bennett and Lyden showing at least the potential for improvement.  Add to those Gollini, Elphick, Tishibola, Ayew, Amavi and hopefully Traore and the future looks brighter.
It is less bright if RDM and his team do a Black and try to play it safe by putting their faith in the likes of Hutton, Bacuna, Westwood, Sinclair, Lescott, Cissoko, Gestede and the rest.  Until more and better players are bought the hard core of last season's failures will continue to do what they do. Fail.
The biggest, most overlooked and underestimated factor is us, the supporters, you and me, who have been forced to endure so much abject failure.  We need a new start and bringing round behind the players.  We need hope not soft goals and floaty corners.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: oldham_villa on July 28, 2016, 09:07:55 AM
Is Calder still with the club? I haven't seen him feature at all, pre-season, which is surprising as he was terrific last pre-season. He was sent out on loan and i haven't heard of him since.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 28, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Very well put Brian...couldn't agree more.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If it's broke, fix the fecker!
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 28, 2016, 09:36:19 AM
Is Calder still with the club? I haven't seen him feature at all, pre-season, which is surprising as he was terrific last pre-season. He was sent out on loan and i haven't heard of him since.

He has gone back out on loan for the season, Doncaster I think
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 28, 2016, 09:41:48 AM
Spot on Brian - as always .
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 28, 2016, 10:02:38 AM
Excellent Brian.  Couldn't agree more. Plus the lyrical "Soft Goals and Floaty Corners" is surely the book title for the story of our last few years.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2016, 10:51:45 AM
Largely agree Brian although I personally think it's unfair to lump Hutton in with that lot - I think he will be fine at this level.  I also think one or two of the others may be able to do a job.  The key point is not all of them and to freshen those that can contribute up with new players and some youngsters.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 28, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
Is Calder still with the club? I haven't seen him feature at all, pre-season, which is surprising as he was terrific last pre-season. He was sent out on loan and i haven't heard of him since.

He has gone back out on loan for the season, Doncaster I think
Yes he's at Doncaster on loan till January. Last season he was at Dundee, did well saw a number of good reports.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 28, 2016, 11:03:55 AM
Spot on Brian. Seeing some of the youth get a break would be a lift to the fans as opposed to last years failures would only add to last seasons gloom. On a side note, didn't Soft goals and floaty corners support Can on a UK tour ?
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2016, 11:07:53 AM
that line up scares the fuck out of me - if Bacuna and Westwood asre the answer, what is the question? As things stand we are not good enough for a serious challenge.

I think the question is which division are Aston Villa currently in.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
and they are still shite
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2016, 11:14:51 AM
and they are still shite

I reckon Westwood will more than hold his own, especially if we get a defensive midfielder in to help him do more passing and less pointing.

Ross Wallace, Keiran Lee, Sam Hutchinson, Barry Bannan and Fernando Forestieri. That's the "might" of Sheffield Wednesday's midfield.

Perspective is required.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
Both Bannon and Forestieri are better than anyone we have, imo
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2016, 11:18:05 AM
Both Bannon and Forestieri are better than anyone we have, imo

If we matched them up formation wise, we'd have Grealish and Ayew who are both significantly better than those pair.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 11:27:06 AM
possibly but Jack simply hasn't played enough to know that irrefutably, and Forestieri has scored goals at this level on a consistent basis, plus the fact that Ayew, for all the good Doctor's protestations, might well be off. To be honest, I was surprised Watford let Forestieri go.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2016, 11:29:31 AM
He might go, and I don't think he will personally, but he's still available to select at present.

I wouldn't be picking Bannan over any of them and Ayew is comfortably the best of the lot. That's the team that finished 6th and they have Barry fucking Bannan as one of their better players. Yeesh.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2016, 11:33:34 AM
Westwood's not as bad as he's often made out to be, and I think we'l see that in The Championship if he stays with us. He often struggled to make an impact in the Premiership, and his floaty corners have become a stick to beat him with, but cast your mind back to the Cup Semi Final against Liverpool, where he comfortably out-played and out-fought Steven Gerrard and Jordan Henderson. I'm not unduly concerned about him facing Barry Bannan.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2016, 11:41:33 AM
Can we play a game of 'guess the line up from September 1st onwards?'

                          Gollini
Hutton     Elphick           New            Amavi
                 Tshibola     Bridcutt
 Ayew                 Morrison         Grealish
                          Kodjia

Subs:  Westwood, Steer, Clark, Bennett, Green, RHM, Gestede maybe.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 12:11:05 PM
that's looking pretty good, depending on the 'new'
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2016, 12:18:05 PM
Can we play a game of 'guess the line up from September 1st onwards?'

                          Gollini
Hutton     Elphick           New            Amavi
                 Tshibola     Bridcutt
 Ayew                 Morrison         Grealish
                          Kodjia

Subs:  Westwood, Steer, Clark, Bennett, Green, RHM, Gestede maybe.

Think Okore can be 'the new'
Strong lineup  👍🏻
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2016, 12:51:31 PM
I think that line up looks good.

You have a 20 goal a season championship striker on the bench too, which not many sides will have.

We definitely need pace up front, which if we don't sign a forward by a week Sunday, is why I think we will play a 4-4-1-1, with Ayew helping Gestede.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 02:40:08 PM
Sheffield Wednesday have agreed a deal to sign Almen Abdi from Watford 4 million and Steven Fletcher signed on a free I think therye both decent signings and strengthen there attack
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2016, 02:48:47 PM
Sheffield Wednesday have agreed a deal to sign Almen Abdi from Watford 4 million and Steven Fletcher signed on a free I think therye both decent signings and strengthen there attack

I know nothing of Abdi and Fletcher makes Gestede look like Ronaldo

Who is the Morrison used in the line up on the previous page - Surely not Ravel????
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2016, 02:54:16 PM
                                     Gollini

Bacuna*            Elphick             Baker      Amavi**

                    Westwood              Tshibola


Grealish                    Ayew               Bennett

                               Gestede

* Hutton as last resort - I think he tries hard but is shit
** Bennett back there if Amavi not fit and swap Ayew to the right and Gardner in middle               
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: AVH87 on July 28, 2016, 02:55:50 PM
Sadly I see no way Amavi will be ready for a game in 10 days time, he's had no pre-season yet.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2016, 03:07:09 PM
I like your team Hooky but I would have RH-M instead of Gestede up front.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: lukey27 on July 28, 2016, 05:03:20 PM
With no more outgoings or incomings I imagine the Sheffield Wednesday starting 11, will be close to a 4-2-3-1 with the following team;

Gollini
Hutton
Bennett
Elphick (c)
Okore

Tshibola
Westwood

Ayew
Grealish
Green

Gestede
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 28, 2016, 11:12:01 PM
With no more outgoings or incomings I imagine the Sheffield Wednesday starting 11, will be close to a 4-2-3-1 with the following team;

Gollini
Hutton
Bennett
Elphick (c)
Okore

Tshibola
Westwood

Ayew
Grealish
Green

Gestede
Sadly I think that's about right.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2016, 11:15:52 PM
Seeinh Hutton's name on a team sheet still burns my brain! I guess we couldn't even flog him at one pound store right? :P
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: footyskillz on July 29, 2016, 12:00:00 AM
Sadly I see no way Amavi will be ready for a game in 10 days time, he's had no pre-season yet.

Agreed. I hope he comes back though . Kozak seems to have had no end of issues and missed out Czech euros poor lad. Bennett it is -underwhelmed by him but he's far better going forward that cissoko.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: aj2k77 on July 29, 2016, 12:42:59 AM
I would be extremely disappointed if we started the new season without a new striker in, it was a glaring and obvious hole in the team and should have been a priority. Pay the money, get one in, get him aquainted with the team and settled in.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 29, 2016, 02:08:48 AM
I allways get confused with these threads, is it the team you think should get picked or will be picked.
It would help the casual observer.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 06:09:57 AM
I would be extremely disappointed if we started the new season without a new striker in, it was a glaring and obvious hole in the team and should have been a priority. Pay the money, get one in, get him aquainted with the team and settled in.

Yes, agree. That's the key to get new players in early. It'll probably end up as panic signings at the end of the window.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2016, 09:54:11 AM
Ill put a pound on Bacuna starting
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ad@m on July 29, 2016, 12:33:37 PM
I would be extremely disappointed if we started the new season without a new striker in, it was a glaring and obvious hole in the team and should have been a priority. Pay the money, get one in, get him aquainted with the team and settled in.

To be fair, whilst it was an obvious hole in the Prem, I can see a front two of Ayew and Gestede scoring an absolute hatful in the Champ if they're given the right service.  Gestede's done it before and Ayew's shown enough to prove he can.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 29, 2016, 12:40:59 PM
I would be extremely disappointed if we started the new season without a new striker in, it was a glaring and obvious hole in the team and should have been a priority. Pay the money, get one in, get him aquainted with the team and settled in.

To be fair, whilst it was an obvious hole in the Prem, I can see a front two of Ayew and Gestede scoring an absolute hatful in the Champ if they're given the right service.  Gestede's done it before and Ayew's shown enough to prove he can.

Its about service to them either via width and whipping in decent crosses or a playmaker with vision in the centre who can pick out runs. Unfortunately with Gestede he is one dimensional so the only runs he will make is direct and into the box so a winger is needed.

I really do not know what is up either physically / mentally or professionally with Traore but have always felt him set up as a striker would rip many defences apart
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 29, 2016, 12:52:50 PM
I would be extremely disappointed if we started the new season without a new striker in, it was a glaring and obvious hole in the team and should have been a priority. Pay the money, get one in, get him aquainted with the team and settled in.

To be fair, whilst it was an obvious hole in the Prem, I can see a front two of Ayew and Gestede scoring an absolute hatful in the Champ if they're given the right service.  Gestede's done it before and Ayew's shown enough to prove he can.

Its about service to them either via width and whipping in decent crosses or a playmaker with vision in the centre who can pick out runs. Unfortunately with Gestede he is one dimensional so the only runs he will make is direct and into the box so a winger is needed.

I really do not know what is up either physically / mentally or professionally with Traore but have always felt him set up as a striker would rip many defences apart

I don't see Traore as a central striker, he has less movement than Gestede until the ball actually arrives at his feet
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2016, 12:53:05 PM
I would be extremely disappointed if we started the new season without a new striker in, it was a glaring and obvious hole in the team and should have been a priority. Pay the money, get one in, get him aquainted with the team and settled in.

To be fair, whilst it was an obvious hole in the Prem, I can see a front two of Ayew and Gestede scoring an absolute hatful in the Champ if they're given the right service.  Gestede's done it before and Ayew's shown enough to prove he can.

Its about service to them either via width and whipping in decent crosses or a playmaker with vision in the centre who can pick out runs. Unfortunately with Gestede he is one dimensional so the only runs he will make is direct and into the box so a winger is needed.

I really do not know what is up either physically / mentally or professionally with Traore but have always felt him set up as a striker would rip many defences apart

Totally agree with the bold bit.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 29, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
I do not mean central striker on his own. But off a target man like Gestede or Crouch or that ilk then I think if he was coached to time his runs and to be on the front foot anticipating would terrify defences. It was similar to how I thought Gabby would progress but combining poor coaching and him being the thickest footballer I have ever seen it never materialised.

Maybe I just am an old fart that looks back at the halcyon days of Big striker + little striker

Withe / Shaw
Toshack / Keegan
Young boys playing in the park, jumpers for goalposts................................
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2016, 01:48:14 PM
I would be extremely disappointed if we started the new season without a new striker in, it was a glaring and obvious hole in the team and should have been a priority. Pay the money, get one in, get him aquainted with the team and settled in.

I think the chairman did say a couple of weeks ago that they're working on a striker so they seem to know who they want.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 29, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Now obviously this would be subject to match fitness, but without any further additions or losses we could have a team like -

GK - Gollini
RB - Hutton
CB - Okore
CB - Elphick
LB - Amavi
CM - Westwood
CM - Tshibola
Attacking Left - Ayew
Number 10 - Grealish
Attacking Right - Green/Adama
Striker - Gestede/Rushian

That doesn't look too bad at Championship level for me. Obviously we'd like to improve right back, centre mid and striking options, but I reckon that team would do a job.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: steamer on July 29, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
What do we know about the Sheff Wed team, danger men, style of play etc ?
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 29, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
Ill put a pound on Bacuna (wanker)starting
Sadly I think you are right, wanker.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: AVH87 on July 29, 2016, 02:58:33 PM
Gollini

Hutton Elphick Okore Bennett

Westwood Gardner Tshibola

Traore Ayew Grealish

Is probably how I'd line up with the current squad/fitness.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 29, 2016, 03:06:53 PM
Really hope we get a creative midfielder in wo can sot a pass as the midfield looks very workman like and slow.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2016, 03:12:03 PM
What do we know about the Sheff Wed team, danger men, style of play etc ?

Villa must contain the Scottish Messi
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Lobsterboy on July 29, 2016, 03:40:38 PM
There may be a new signing or player returning from injury over the next week or so but would like to see us line up with Gollini, Hutton, Elphick, Okore, Cissokho/Bennett, Tish, Westwood, Grealish, Ayew, Bacuna, Gestede

Looking at that line up we probably need a new right back, striker and creative midfielder but still plenty of time to go until the end of the window...
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
saw something earlier about us being linked with Ritchie de Laet
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2016, 03:47:41 PM
RDM might think Hutton/wankuna  are enough for this league .

We have been after a creative midfielder for about six years , so lets hope it actually bloody happens .

Striker ? Id be happy with that Bristol City lad. 
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Holte L2 on July 29, 2016, 03:50:42 PM
                 Gollini

Okore  Baker Elphick  Bennett

           Gardner Tishibola

Adama      Grealish           Ayew

                 Gestede
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Hoppo on July 29, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
I still get the impression some are under estimating this league.
Wednesday are a classic Championship team, organised, well run, the type that have fucked us out the Cups for seasons.
We have squad of Shite that no other club want, of course we have the odd touch of class but very few and far between.
Wednesday are everything were not.. organized.
As for Scottish Messi, best Championship midfielder last season by a mile.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2016, 03:58:43 PM
They have a poor record against the top 6 last season. They've got two midfielders under 5 foot 8 and lack, as do most sides, pace.

Hooper and Fletcher are the journeymen forward who will plough their respective forward line this year. Nothing to be frightened of going forwards, as Forestieri and Bannan are meh, while the rest is workman like.

Very well organised and defensively sound though.

We'll twat them.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
Our record against lower league teams in the cups isn't as bad as gets made out. By my reckoning our record since MON left is W13 D2 L4. I classed Notts Co as a draw as we won in extra time.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 29, 2016, 04:42:34 PM
I still get the impression some are under estimating this league.
Wednesday are a classic Championship team, organised, well run, the type that have fucked us out the Cups for seasons.
We have squad of Shite that no other club want, of course we have the odd touch of class but very few and far between.
Wednesday are everything were not.. organized.
As for Scottish Messi, best Championship midfielder last season by a mile.

So do I.  I think its a tough first game.  Not an easy ground to visit and expect Weds to be in the play-off mix again.  Not just that, but so far we have hardly done much in the transfer market to suggest that we are to pull up any trees.  Think Elphick could be a good signing but the other two look more like future prospects.  Tishibola doesn't seem to have the games behind him to point to him making a great difference to our team.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2016, 06:08:48 PM
saw something earlier about us being linked with Ritchie de Laet

Would be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2016, 08:18:37 PM
They have a poor record against the top 6 last season. They've got two midfielders under 5 foot 8 and lack, as do most sides, pace.

Hooper and Fletcher are the journeymen forward who will plough their respective forward line this year. Nothing to be frightened of going forwards, as Forestieri and Bannan are meh, while the rest is workman like.

Very well organised and defensively sound though.

We'll twat them.

Foresteri is a terrific player at championship level.

The keeper and back 4 are excellent aswell.

I'd be happy with a point.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2016, 11:06:30 PM
Are people seriously suggesting Adama starts? Without 1 minute of pre season?
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 29, 2016, 11:09:31 PM
I predict the starting X1 will not start the pulses racing.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 07:42:55 AM
Are people seriously suggesting Adama starts? Without 1 minute of pre season?

nearly as mad as thinking okore could be a right back
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2016, 10:53:30 AM
Are people seriously suggesting Adama starts? Without 1 minute of pre season?

Same as people putting Amavi in at left back.

We won't be seeing either for the first few games and our line up will look poorer for that as I thought we'd seen the last of Bennett who is a truly awful.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 31, 2016, 08:02:11 AM
Gollini
Hutton, Elph, Baker, Bennett
Gardner, Tish
Bacuna, Jack, Ayew
Gestede

I will be shocked if this is not the lineup come Sunday. Can't see anything different even if we make new signings this week (would prob be on the bench)

I'd wish for
Gollini
De Laet, Elph, Okore, Bennett
Tish, Bridcutt
Ayew, Jack, Bamford
Kodjia
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2016, 09:44:46 AM
After yesterday I think i'd go....


                        Gollini

     Hutton   Baker   Elphick    Cissohko

          Gardner  Sanchez  Tshibola

                       Grealish

              Ayew       Hepburn-Murphy

Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 31, 2016, 10:10:23 AM
I do think three in midfield could be best for the Wednesday game. Tho not sure RDM sees it that way

I'd probably play green wide of a three with ayew up the middle tho.

But best of all have a new striker in that position
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ron Manager on July 31, 2016, 10:32:24 AM
After yesterday I think i'd go....


                        Gollini

     Hutton   Baker   Elphick    Cissohko

          Gardner  Sanchez  Tshibola

                       Grealish

              Ayew       Hepburn-Murphy

Nothing from the flanks then. But in essence I agree that is the best selection Di Matteo could put out. But I bet Westwood will be in and quite possibly Gestede.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2016, 10:40:11 AM
Wingers are no longer part of the game it seems. Width comes from the full backs whilst ten players scrap it out for space and angles through the middle. It's the new way seemingly.  What concerns me, without the very young and largely untested Tshibola, we have no beef whatsoever. Sanchez has some, but constantly gives the ball away. Veretout, Gana will be away as soon as they can get out.  This is such a poor side that still hasn't found its level. If we get off to a crap start, some of the players we might want May not come. Asking them to come, to be part of a promotion push is a selling point at the moment, so a good start is important.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2016, 10:43:09 AM
After yesterday I think i'd go....


                        Gollini

     Hutton   Baker   Elphick    Cissohko

          Gardner  Sanchez  Tshibola

                       Grealish

              Ayew       Hepburn-Murphy

Nothing from the flanks then. But in essence I agree that is the best selection Di Matteo could put out. But I bet Westwood will be in and quite possibly Gestede.

Yep, there is a lack of width there, in which case it might better playing Bacuna right back instead of Hutton. At least he's got the ability to put a cross in where as Hutton just get's so far then just lays a pass of to his nearest man.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Ron Manager on July 31, 2016, 10:48:04 AM
After yesterday I think i'd go....


                        Gollini

     Hutton   Baker   Elphick    Cissohko

          Gardner  Sanchez  Tshibola

                       Grealish

              Ayew       Hepburn-Murphy

Nothing from the flanks then. But in essence I agree that is the best selection Di Matteo could put out. But I bet Westwood will be in and quite possibly Gestede.

Yep, there is a lack of width there, in which case it might better playing Bacuna right back instead of Hutton. At least he's got the ability to put a cross in where as Hutton just get's so far then just lays a pass of to his nearest man.

and I would also agree with that or possibly try Okore there.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 31, 2016, 10:54:18 AM
I'd like to say that Hutton offers a bit more defensively than Bacuna, but after yesterday if we're going to be vulnerable in that position we may as well have someone there who can put a cross in.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 31, 2016, 11:03:38 AM
I would have Bennett in over Cissokho.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: brian green on July 31, 2016, 11:08:05 AM
I too would have Bennett instead of Cissoko.  Bennett is improving, Cissoko is getting worse. Hi
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: footyskillz on August 06, 2016, 11:18:00 AM
Pierluigi Gollini in goal
 Hutton,  Elphick Baker Bennett
Tishbola Westwood
Ayew Grealish
Gestede Mccormack
And it is Ross McCormack who i cant wait to see as he'll get the goals to fire villa up promoted.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: clash city rocker on August 06, 2016, 12:07:49 PM
The back 4 maybe 5 worry me at even championship level..Plus our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of success may still be with us. I think it maybe a couple of months before the management team can start to change the Villa players mindset...Hopefully more new signings can help rid the club of the defeated attitude.I think it just goes to show recently how few players we have had with a strong mentality.  Oh.......and a strong sense of team spirit.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 07:05:11 PM
What's our best xi after that? Really not sure, but think it might be:

Gollini - Hutton elphick baker Amavi - Tshibola Westwood - bacuna McCormack grealish - ayew

But would like a new RB, CM, RM, CF in there. Then I don't really know how you get ayew and mccormack in together. I guess one has to play left wing and grealish doesn't start?
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:11:42 PM
What's our best xi after that? Really not sure, but think it might be:

Gollini - Hutton elphick baker Amavi - Tshibola Westwood - bacuna McCormack grealish - ayew

But would like a new RB, CM, RM, CF in there. Then I don't really know how you get ayew and mccormack in together. I guess one has to play left wing and grealish doesn't start?

Thought Green looked lively on the right when he came in.

Grealish should be left wing with Amavi bombing on outside him.

After today, Id be open to trading out both Gestede and Ayew for other options, patience maybe needed instead...

Definitely need a new RB and CM anyway, Jedinak would be a big addition
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 07, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
Gollini
Hutton, Elph, Baker, Bennett
Gardner, Tish
Bacuna, Jack, Ayew
Gestede

I will be shocked if this is not the lineup come Sunday. Can't see anything different even if we make new signings this week (would prob be on the bench)

I'd wish for
Gollini
De Laet, Elph, Okore, Bennett
Tish, Bridcutt
Ayew, Jack, Bamford
Kodjia

Fair play and hat tip for that prediction. Only 2 out.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
It was basically the team that played v Boro so it was a fairly safe bet! McCormack for grealish the only change I think
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 07, 2016, 10:22:32 PM
It was basically the team that played v Boro so it was a fairly safe bet! McCormack for grealish the only change I think

I was at that the Boro game and I must admit I was a lot less sanguine about that selection.
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: Alex77 on August 07, 2016, 10:27:16 PM
It was basically the team that played v Boro so it was a fairly safe bet! McCormack for grealish the only change I think

I was at that the Boro game and I must admit I was a lot less sanguine about that selection.

I just thought I'd pop my head in and commend you on the fact the you used the word "sanguine".
Title: Re: Starting XI V Sheff Wed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 07, 2016, 10:31:55 PM
It was basically the team that played v Boro so it was a fairly safe bet! McCormack for grealish the only change I think

I was at that the Boro game and I must admit I was a lot less sanguine about that selection.

I just thought I'd pop my head in and commend you on the fact the you used the word "sanguine".

Cheers, Alex77. Our blood is high though our phlegm be low.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will, as a great man once said from his prison cell.
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