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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
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I am sure this has been touched upon elsewhere but would like to get a feel for whether with a new fresh start of owner, manager and coaches the most targeted of our players from last year would get a amnesty from supporters*.
My view is:
Gabby - gone too far - has to go ASAP
Lescott - not the brightest of people but experience could be of benefit - keep for one more year
Bacuna - But for a silly comment about Champs league ambitions, i have not understood the vitriol towards him - keep for versatility
Richards - Attitude has been poor towards club and Manager - was other half of the Dubai fiasco - poor influence - get rid ASAP
Guzan - player of the year to useless in a season? - would like to think piss poor coaching was to blame - keep but as back up to new keeper
*not sure if this could be made into a poll?
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They couldn't be arsed when they were playing for a Premier League team, so why would they be arsed to haul us out of the Championship? Each one of them has shown disregard for the club and I don't see those attitudes suddenly changing now they are in a lower division with less money in their pay packets.
As in relationships, when it's gone, it's gone. And it's gone.
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Get rid of the lot of them. I'd be very pissed off if we give these twats a second chance after their attitude last season
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Had it not been for his attitude, I think a decent coaching team might have made something of Bacuna as a RB. As it is though, I think all the players mentioned need to go and I don't think seeing any of them appear again in a Villa is going to do anyone any favours.
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Guzan with coaching maybe. Bacuna will always be not good enough. The rest can fuck off.
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Nay, nay & thrice nay.
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It's a no for me, Clive.
Pragmatism/ realism tells me we won't get our way and ship all of them out, but we should be aiming to.
I can't forgive or forget the role that fetid lot had in our demise.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of those mentioned move on and have a half decent season or two wherever they go, but for me their chapter at Villa is over. More for a fresh start than any personal I'll feeling, it's best for all that they go.
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All of the above mentioned aren't any good anyway, if they all behaved like saints, I'd still be looking to ship them out.
We need a fresh start so they all have to go for how they carried on last season.
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They all have to go for me, and more of them. A purge by fire.
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The chewing gum incident with Guan was a bit stupid but not something I consider as a reason for getting rid of him. However, I still want him to go based on ability. I think he lost it towards the end of Lambert's second season. He became complacent initially and then his confidence fell to the point of having no confidence at all. A defence relies on having a confident keeper.
As for the rest, in order of first out of the door - Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Bacuna.
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All absolute wankers. Will not be impressed if I see any of them playing for us next season.
Worst is Gabby-I shall never ever ever support anything he does again. He no doubt will do fuck all, but still. Bridge has been well and truly burnt.
Richards and Bacuna next in line. Get in the sea motherfuckers! Twitter wanker, grinning wanker. Scum. Both shit, too.
Lescott-the tweet after losing 6-0. Fuck off you turd.
Guzan-shit. Fuck off.
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All absolute wankers. Will not be impressed if I see any of them playing for us next season.
Worst is Gabby-I shall never ever ever support anything he does again. He no doubt will do fuck all, but still. Bridge has been well and truly burnt.
Richards and Bacuna next in line. Get in the sea motherfuckers! Twitter wanker, grinning wanker. Scum. Both shit, too.
Lescott-the tweet after losing 6-0. Fuck off you turd.
Guzan-shit. Fuck off.
stop sitting on the fence :-)
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I would love to see them all replaced, Richards and Becuna are the two I could put up with.
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Guzan's the only one of the five I don't quite think deserves the hate but he's just a poor keeper now so needs to be let go.
I think we need to get all 5 away, some really poor attitudes there and another problem is we need the crowd onside and VP to have a positive atmosphere.
That will not happen with those 5 in the team as if we have a poor result or run of form VP will quickly turn poisonous again.
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I don't mind Richards. I think he cares and is not bad at right back. I could tolerate Lescott. He's done some stupid things but I think that's more stupidity than actual malice or not giving a shit.
The rest can fuck off.
The one I would be most annoyed to see again Agbonlahor. He's been taking the piss for five years or more. GTF.
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I'm still not sure what Bacuna said warranted him being booed Steve Hodge-like, it was all a bit ridiculous. Guzan just lost a lot of form and confidence. Gabby, Lescott and Richards wouldn't be missed though.
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Guzan's the only one of the five I don't quite think deserves the hate but he's just a poor keeper now so needs to be let go.
I fail to see Bacuna's terrible crime (aside from playing as badly as all the others)
An interviewer asks him "if you come back to the Eredivisie, would you like to play for someone like Ajax or PSV?", he answers "sure, they're good".
It's hardly pissing on the feet of the McGregor statue.
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Leave! Leave ! Leave! Leave! Leave!
I remain to be convinced otherwise.
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True. It's one of those things that would be forgotten about in a successful season.
Had John Carew been playing last season his antics in attending a lap-dancing club the night before a game would've been another example of how everything is wrong, rather than roguish behaviour to be indulged with a wry smile.
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Guzan's the only one of the five I don't quite think deserves the hate but he's just a poor keeper now so needs to be let go.
I fail to see Bacuna's terrible crime (aside from playing as badly as all the others)
An interviewer asks him "if you come back to the Eredivisie, would you like to play for someone like Ajax or PSV?", he answers "sure, they're good".
It's hardly pissing on the feet of the McGregor statue.
There were some incidents with fans as well. I was at the Southampton when, minutes after giving away a goal with one of the worst backpasses I've ever seen, he was giving it the "come on then" gesture to fans as he walked off at half-time.
I still maintain that with a bit of experience and hard work he could become a decent RB. Just not with us though.
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I said in a different thread as much as we might want some or all of this lot gone, chances are they won't be. So come August and they are, and if they have shown the right attitude in their play and training, we cannot continue to vent our frustration or anger at them as it will be counter productive to our goals. Now Xia might conclude fuck it and he's paying them off but it hasn't happened yet, and it won't until RDM gets to see and talk to them when they get back for pre season. If Gabby comes back as fat a bastard as he ended the season then it might be nail in coffin time.
What we all agree on is we can't have the poisonous environment of last season so they will have to be model pros if they are to survive.
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All need to go, I won't be supporting any of them in a Villa shirt again.
New owner, new manager, new coaches, new season, new players. They will only drag us down.
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They can all fuck off.
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If I saw some form of awareness and acknowledgment that they may just have had something to do with the fact we are now in the Championship then I could forgive (but not forget) - as it is I imagine them waking up every morning going "We're in the Championship! How the hell did that happen?"
Gabby's silence is deafening...
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Had John Carew been playing last season his antics in attending a lap-dancing club the night before a game would've been another example of how everything is wrong, rather than roguish behaviour to be indulged with a wry smile.
That is a very salient point and shows the level of brainlessness with some of the players. If we were doing "ok" and in no fear of relegation and Richards and Gabby swan off to Dubai then not an eyelid would have been batted. Similar for the Gum game at Wycombe and the car tweet and the Champions league comment
It shows a level of both arrogance, contempt and ignorance that not one of them thought what they were doing was inappropriate or would have a backlash so I now lean towards fuck them all off.
There are many also that need never darken our door purely down to being shit at football but these are the cancer that needs stripping out
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I'm quite glad they are all silent. What will prove their commitment isn't what they say or tweet, it's the shape they come back to the club in. If Gabby comes back 2 stone lighter then it will show he has dedicated himself to something other than bongs and booze in the summer.
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We need a clean sweep with this lot being just the start. The Villa has stunk of failure for years and we need some genuine winners in to change the mentality around the place - Elphick is a good start but he'll be fighting a losing battle if this bunch of wankers are still around the place calling the shots.
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All absolute wankers. Will not be impressed if I see any of them playing for us next season.
Worst is Gabby-I shall never ever ever support anything he does again. He no doubt will do fuck all, but still. Bridge has been well and truly burnt.
Richards and Bacuna next in line. Get in the sea motherfuckers! Twitter wanker, grinning wanker. Scum. Both shit, too.
Lescott-the tweet after losing 6-0. Fuck off you turd.
Guzan-shit. Fuck off.
stop sitting on the fence :-)
Haha. This was the polite transcript. If I wrote what I want to write, it may cause an uproar. I respect other posters, so declined.
If I had to choose one to stay, it's be Guzan. But that's like choosing my favourite from AIDS, cancer, syphilis(sp), a spot in my ear and a really big mouth ulcer.
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I'd add Okore into this rogues gallery
Gabby - probably has gone too far but as I said previously it depends on whether we can get someone to take him on. If not then he'll have to knuckle down and accept that he needs to do a lot to earn the fans trust again
Lescott - I would keep for one more season. It depends on his legs and old injuries though and that is what the coaches need to look at.
Bacuna - Not good enough and unfairly treated I thought. his interview was blown out of all proportion and the fans were in an unforgiving mood to anyone who made comments last season. He's not good enough for the Premier League and I doubt the Championship either. However, he may be kept on for continuity.
Richards -I'm not sure his attitude has been poor. I just think he has been rank dreadful.
Guzan - maybe keep him but the time to be looking for a keeper is now.
Okore - I've put my views on him elsewhere so won't go into great deal. But for me there should be no coming back and I want him gone.
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I'm quite glad they are all silent. What will prove their commitment isn't what they say or tweet, it's the shape they come back to the club in. If Gabby comes back 2 stone lighter then it will show he has dedicated himself to something other than bongs and booze in the summer.
Either that, or he's moved on to heroin.
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I am sure this has been touched upon elsewhere but would like to get a feel for whether with a new fresh start of owner, manager and coaches the most targeted of our players from last year would get a amnesty from supporters*.
My view is:
Gabby - gone too far - has to go ASAP
Lescott - not the brightest of people but experience could be of benefit - keep for one more year
Bacuna - But for a silly comment about Champs league ambitions, i have not understood the vitriol towards him - keep for versatility
Richards - Attitude has been poor towards club and Manager - was other half of the Dubai fiasco - poor influence - get rid ASAP
Guzan - player of the year to useless in a season? - would like to think piss poor coaching was to blame - keep but as back up to new keeper
Nope. I wouldn't keep a single one of that lot
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There is no need to keep any of the poisonous five. They aren't good enough and have shown disrespect and disregard for Aston Villa, so they don't deserve to be associated to or represent the club. Cancelling contracts will be a problem if they are unable to move onto other clubs, but everything should be done to get them out even if it means freezing them out. There are plenty of players out there hungry to play for a club like Villa and there's no reason for any of this lot to be anywhere near the team.
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In the words of Vito Corleone: "That, I do not forgive."
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Gabby & Richards should go if we can move them on because of their bad attitudes last season,
As for the others the manager must decide when he sees them and can get a view of their mindset
to see if they are up to the challenge
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I don't mind Richards. I think he cares and is not bad at right back. I could tolerate Lescott. He's done some stupid things but I think that's more stupidity than actual malice or not giving a shit.
The rest can fuck off.
The one I would be most annoyed to see again Agbonlahor. He's been taking the piss for five years or more. GTF.
I agree although with richards it's with the caveat that he never plays at CB. He has been pretty shit though so I certainly wouldn't be bothered.
I want Bacuna to fuck off because he's shite though, nothing to do with his comments.
Gabby is the one where there is zero chance of me forgiving him. He's been pissing me off for years.
Edit: Actually the more thought I give it the more I realise that Richards is too shit.
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Bin the lot. Tossers to a man, and appalling players too.
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Bin the lot. Tossers to a man, and appalling players too.
Agree 100%
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As with WW we could forgive them, but never ever forget that these wastrels played the Villa fans for absolute fools.
Richards appears to be the catalyst a shit player who couldn't be arsed, a worse captain and he didn't even have the courage as club captain to play the final games. He is an absolute wanker.
Gabby, we have a zero tolerance for alcohol at work, if I had so much as a sniff of a drink during working hours I would be down the road, how an athlete can get 2 stone overweight during the season is beyond belief. He obviously thinks he is bigger than the club, another wanker, F**k him off.
Guzan, I was at Wycombe and we were appalling, not sure whether it was stupidity or just bad judgement over the chewing gum, however that doesn't excuse his behaviour, we're hurting so should he. F**k him off just not good enough.
Bacuna, irritating grin when he f**ks up, and who can forget the back pass against Southampton. Not good enough for the Villa, shame really I thought he was quite good when he first arrived.
Lescott, the epitome of the thick footballer, luckily he is a footballer because he would be permanent fixture in the job centre if he was a normal working guy. Might be able to salvage something for next season with him, but if a stupid bid from the USA comes in, don't stand in his way.
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I am sure this has been touched upon elsewhere but would like to get a feel for whether with a new fresh start of owner, manager and coaches the most targeted of our players from last year would get a amnesty from supporters*.
My view is:
Gabby - gone too far - has to go ASAP
Lescott - not the brightest of people but experience could be of benefit - keep for one more year
Bacuna - But for a silly comment about Champs league ambitions, i have not understood the vitriol towards him - keep for versatility
Richards - Attitude has been poor towards club and Manager - was other half of the Dubai fiasco - poor influence - get rid ASAP
Guzan - player of the year to useless in a season? - would like to think piss poor coaching was to blame - keep but as back up to new keeper
Nope. I wouldn't keep a single one of that lot
Nor me.
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No idea why people are making excuses for the grinning, could not give a toss, twat Bacuna.
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if the manager deems fit to choose them I will back that decision
However it will not be forgotten how they have behaved in the past
and I will not endear them to my bossom (moobs ) in the future
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Bin the lot. Tossers to a man, and appalling players too.
Agree 100%
seconded
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Fuck the lot off
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Lescott is the worst of all of them with his general attitude towards the fans. Not the worst in terms of playing ability but he lost the supporters on more than one occasion last season.
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As an absolute minimum we need to get rid of Agbonlahor and Richards, ironically the 2 club/team captains who treated us fans with utter contempt last season and for that I will neither forgive or forget. With N'Zogbia gone they are also the 2 highest earners at the club - and, if this piece in the Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/510246/Revealed-Aston-Villa-player-wages) in April is to be believed, between them they're stealing about £5.5M a year in wages. If we can offload the other three as well, fine, but Agbonlahor and Richards are an expensive disgrace who should never besmirch a Villa shirt again.
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If any of these players are wearing a Villa shirt this season & they show the right attitude on the pitch then they'll get my support. I've never booed any of them anyway & I'd hope that we all move on from last season.
Continuing the booing is counterproductive.
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Gabby and Richards I want gone. Guzan needs to go for himself as much as anything else. Lescott, i'd prefer him gone but won't be livid if he's still here as long as his attitude is right. Bacuna, I quite like him but he was crap last year and I think became an easy target. I could be miles off and he just doesn't give a shite, but I think the reason he smiles after an error etc could be just his way. Watch how often a sportsperson smiles after they fuck up. Watch the darts as an example and see how often a player smiles or laughs after missing 3 darts at a crucial double. It's just how some people react to fucking up.
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Hard to disagree with your assessment PWS. I think we will shift Richards and Guzan but keep the rest.
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Bacuna's attitude is atrocious. Get rid.
Richards, big time Charlie wanker. Get rid
Lescott, lying arsehole. Get rid
Guzan, clown. Get rid.
Gabby, about 3 years too late, but get rid.
These wasters deserved every round of fucks they got from supporters at the end of last season. Charlatans and a disgrace to the profession.
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Bacuna's attitude is atrocious. Get rid.
Richards, big time Charlie wanker. Get rid
Lescott, lying arsehole. Get rid
Guzan, clown. Get rid.
Gabby, about 3 years too late, but get rid.
These wasters deserved every round of fucks they got from supporters at the end of last season. Charlatans and a disgrace to the profession.
110% spot on
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Gabby and Richards I want gone. Guzan needs to go for himself as much as anything else. Lescott, i'd prefer him gone but won't be livid if he's still here as long as his attitude is right. Bacuna, I quite like him but he was crap last year and I think became an easy target. I could be miles off and he just doesn't give a shite, but I think the reason he smiles after an error etc could be just his way. Watch how often a sportsperson smiles after they fuck up. Watch the darts as an example and see how often a player smiles or laughs after missing 3 darts at a crucial double. It's just how some people react to fucking up.
That's what I've always thought as well. Let's face it, who in their right mind would grin after fucking up in front of 40,000 people?
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It'll be interesting to see who the club use for the kit unveiling next week. It'll be a fucking disgrace if any of Gabby, Richards or Lescott are involved.
I have a feeling all 3 might though...
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None of them deserve to ever wear the Villa shirt again.
We need to go forward and kick this lot into touch.
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It'll be interesting to see who the club use for the kit unveiling next week. It'll be a fucking disgrace if any of Gabby, Richards or Lescott are involved.
I have a feeling all 3 might though...
Richards is the only one I'm 100% confident will be sold. His age, former international, someone like Big Sam will buy him.
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Keep Lescott, despite being a bit dim and having legs that are only getting slower he will still have more nous and better positioning than every centre back in that division. I think he'll be motivated to help get us back up too.
Not too bothered over Bacuna, he could be decent back-up over a 50 game season.
Bin the rest, pay Agbonlahlor off with the money we could get from selling Richards.
Guzan is a stinky remnant of the past six years and a departure is healthy for both parties.
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Unpopular I know, but if we could get a tune out of Richards and see him and Amavi marauding from full back, then we could be a really dangerous side. That said, I do agree that he seems to think he's doing us a favour by being here. Guzan needs a fresh start, go. Bacuna and Westwood I just don't rate, whatever division. Lescott and Agbonlahor need to go too.
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It's a no from me- if we get off to a poor or even s slow start, those players will quickly become targets for the boo boys and we could be back where we left off.
Cast aside the shit and start again. You can excuse half a dozen or so poor individual performances in a season. But I don't see a way back for any of those mentioned in the OP.
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Gabby, Richards & Bacuna - I don't want to see anywhere near the place ever again.
Guzan - needs a move as much for his own good as ours. Just time for him to move on.
Lescott - I could maybe be persuaded there's a rationale for him staying but aside from his antics the problem is he's just not very good any more. I'd rather go with Okore & Elpnick.
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I do not want to see Richards, Guzan, Gabby, Lescott or Bacuna down the place ever again. Thankfully N'Zogbia has gone.
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Gabby, Richards & Bacuna - I don't want to see anywhere near the place ever again.
Guzan - needs a move as much for his own good as ours. Just time for him to move on.
Lescott - I could maybe be persuaded there's a rationale for him staying but aside from his antics the problem is he's just not very good any more. I'd rather go with Okore & Elpnick.
Pretty much the same for me too, although I'd be happy to see Lescott go to the MLS and tell a set of fans over there about his cars.
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Bacuna's attitude is atrocious. Get rid.
Richards, big time Charlie wanker. Get rid
Lescott, lying arsehole. Get rid
Guzan, clown. Get rid.
Gabby, about 3 years too late, but get rid.
These wasters deserved every round of fucks they got from supporters at the end of last season. Charlatans and a disgrace to the profession.
110% spot on
I think the general feel is most if not all should go
But another question is
If they are given a clean slate and another chance - do the boos continue?
Do we still continue with the booing
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Bacuna's attitude is atrocious. Get rid.
Richards, big time Charlie wanker. Get rid
Lescott, lying arsehole. Get rid
Guzan, clown. Get rid.
Gabby, about 3 years too late, but get rid.
These wasters deserved every round of fucks they got from supporters at the end of last season. Charlatans and a disgrace to the profession.
110% spot on
I think the general feel is most if not all should go
But another question is
If they are given a clean slate and another chance - do the boos continue?
Do we still continue with the booing
No, absolutely not. That could be the worst thing fans could do.
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I'm not sure what Richards has done other than been totally sh*te to be included in the rogues gallery when you have okore who refused to play? I want Richards gone but he's hardly done much wrong on the Gabby level.
Guzan? He's just had a bad couple of seasons so should go maybe but kicking chewing gum around is hardly a reason to have him on a par with the Hodge's of this world.
You could just add most of the names of the squad and say should they be allowed to stay because they were crap but they looked at me and I didn't like it.
For me only a few acted so badly that their time at the club should be brought to an abrupt halt because of it. Singling out just 5 is too few if we're basing it on shiteness and too many if we're relying it on how they treated the club.
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I'm not sure what Richards has done other than been totally sh*te to be included in the rogues gallery when you have okore who is alledged to have refused to play? I want Richards gone but he's hardly done much wrong on the Gabby level.
Guzan? He's just had a bad couple of seasons so should go maybe but kicking chewing gum around is hardly a reason to have him on a par with the Hodge's of this world.
You could just add most of the names of the squad and say should they be allowed to stay because they were crap but they looked at me and I didn't like it.
For me only a few acted so badly that their time at the club should be brought to an abrupt halt because of it. Singling out just 5 is too few if we're basing it on shiteness and too many if we're relying it on how they treated the club.
Fixed that for you.
Depends where you think taking the piss out of fans on Twitter and then basically offering someone to meet him at Bodymoor for a fight sits on teh sacle of things.
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Oooh I see what you did there. you're very clever.
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I have my moments :)
Although I apparently also have moments where I can't type.
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I'm not sure what Richards has done other than been totally sh*te to be included in the rogues gallery when you have okore who refused to play? I want Richards gone but he's hardly done much wrong on the Gabby level.
Fans look at attitude and, for me, Richards showed a very poor attitude on and off the pitch. He was made team captain and coupled with his experience he should have offered far more. That was down to poor attitude not poor form. Likewise off the pitch where as captain and a senior pro he should have been pulling the players together not been seen living it up.
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Guzan is not good enough, but he has always had a positive attitude towards the club and fans. He almost single-handedly staved off relegation for a couple of years (his save against QPR was one of the best I have seen), but he clearly has lost confidence and has some rather gaping holes in his decision-making, so it is probably time for him to move on...
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Bacuna's attitude is atrocious. Get rid.
Richards, big time Charlie wanker. Get rid
Lescott, lying arsehole. Get rid
Guzan, clown. Get rid.
Gabby, about 3 years too late, but get rid.
These wasters deserved every round of fucks they got from supporters at the end of last season. Charlatans and a disgrace to the profession.
110% spot on
I think the general feel is most if not all should go
But another question is
If they are given a clean slate and another chance - do the boos continue?
Do we still continue with the booing
The boos, do they continue?
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The boos, do they continue?
Of course, if any of the fuckers that got us relegated are playing then boo them. Fuck the fuckers!!!
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Don't boo anyone if it's evident they are putting a shift in. Suspect we will only see 2 or 3 max
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Surely a clean slate is a clean slate though?
If the new management deem any of them worthy of a clean slate, that has to be respected. At least until if/ when they go back to old ways. Then boo them by all means.
I personally would get shot of all those listed and wouldn't want them given new starts, but some probably will, so all we can do is get behind them and give them a chance.
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The boos, do they continue?
Of course, if any of the fuckers that got us relegated are playing then boo them. Fuck the fuckers!!!
What would be the point of that?
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All absolute wankers. Will not be impressed if I see any of them playing for us next season.
Worst is Gabby-I shall never ever ever support anything he does again. He no doubt will do fuck all, but still. Bridge has been well and truly burnt.
Richards and Bacuna next in line. Get in the sea motherfuckers! Twitter wanker, grinning wanker. Scum. Both shit, too.
Lescott-the tweet after losing 6-0. Fuck off you turd.
Guzan-shit. Fuck off.
Pretty much this.
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Bridges are never burnt in football. If Gabby comes back and scores a shit load of goals next season and helps get us up his recent past will all be forgotten. Same goes with every other player who played their part in our downfall. Football is a very fickle game.
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I'm not sure of the validity of it, but there's a pic of Gabby on Instagram looking much, much fitter.
Bridge still burnt for me. It would take something incredible to make up for the last 5 years of him taking the piss.
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...If Gabby comes back and scores a shit load of goals next season and helps get us up his recent past will all be forgotten. Same goes with every other player who played their part in our downfall. Football is a very fickle game.
Like that's going to happen
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Maybe he's lost some flab to help him get moved to another club. Never want to see him in a Villa shirt again
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Maybe he's lost some flab to help him get moved to another club. Never want to see him in a couple of Villa shirts sewn together again
Fixed that for you
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Bridges are never burnt in football. If Gabby comes back and scores a shit load of goals next season and helps get us up his recent past will all be forgotten. Same goes with every other player who played their part in our downfall. Football is a very fickle game.
There is a 0% chance of a Gabby comeback. He's finished.
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Even if he scores 20 next season, stop sniggering at the back, I won't forgive his utter shitness of the last few years. I'll celebrate the goals obviously, but forgive him, nah.
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One of the few things that RdM has said about players so far is that the squad is too big.
I am hopefully taking that to mean he is getting rid of the wasters listed above.
Hopefully!
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I just had a horrible thought...we were told that many contracts had relegation clauses in them that significantly reduced their weekly wage. Well what happens to those contracts if we get promoted again, do they automatically increase back ? Is it possible that some of the high earning wasters on longer contracts would be prepared to sit it out and take a 'free' wage increase upon getting back to the PL without contributing one iota to the effort.
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I just had a horrible thought...we were told that many contracts had relegation clauses in them that significantly reduced their weekly wage. Well what happens to those contracts if we get promoted again, do they automatically increase back ? Is it possible that some of the high earning wasters on longer contracts would be prepared to sit it out and take a 'free' wage increase upon getting back to the PL without contributing one iota to the effort.
Don't worry about it, at the worst, another year less on their contract.
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Even if he scores 20 next season, stop sniggering at the back, I won't forgive his utter shitness of the last few years. I'll celebrate the goals obviously, but forgive him, nah.
Yep, that about says it for me PWS
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Bridges are never burnt in football. If Gabby comes back and scores a shit load of goals next season and helps get us up his recent past will all be forgotten. Same goes with every other player who played their part in our downfall. Football is a very fickle game.
Agbonlahor never scored a load of goals when he was young fit and fast. He scored important goals from time to time. He may score in the lower divisions if he agrees to leave the club....but there is absolutely no chance of him doing that.He will hang on...and on...etc etc.
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Maybe he'll find the championship is his level, as he certainly isn't Premier League standard. Wouldn't be against using him for the odd game here and there then selling him on next summer after he's helped us towards promotion. We can't rely on him as a first choice though, so he should be replaced in the starting XI asap.
Looks like he's been puking his kebabs up just after eating them.
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If we were still in the PL I'd probably get rid of Lescott but at Championship level he might be worth one more year, although I'd maybe use him as a sub.
Gabby and Richards I'd get rid off without doubt.
Guzan I'd keep as back up keeper. I like the look of Bunn personally.
Bacuna I quite like, but he just hasn't produced consistently and I think he is one we could probably use getting off the wage bill.
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You quite like Bacuna? why?
:S
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You quite like Bacuna? why?
:S
Indeed. An absolute fraud of a player.
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You quite like Bacuna? why?
:S
Indeed. An absolute fraud of a player.
Smiley faced twat.
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Hello all.
My thoughts on the opening line to this discussion.
Gabby - Keep and see what he does. I have seen a few pics of his pre-pre-season. He owes the club in my opinion
Lescott - get rid. he was a good player, but if his attitude is shite then bye bye
Bacuna - Waste of space in my opinion. just waddles around the pitch doing F**K all. I would rather have youth on the bench.
Richards - Really want this lad to succeed, keep for now
Guzan - only keep if no better option available. I believe we need an experienced head with a future understudy.
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Hello all.
My thoughts on the opening line to this discussion.
Gabby - Keep and see what he does. I have seen a few pics of his pre-pre-season. He owes the club in my opinion
Lescott - get rid. he was a good player, but if his attitude is shite then bye bye
Bacuna - Waste of space in my opinion. just waddles around the pitch doing F**K all. I would rather have youth on the bench.
Richards - Really want this lad to succeed, keep for now
Guzan - only keep if no better option available. I believe we need an experienced head with a future understudy.
Isn't what you put about Gabby and then Lescott a little bit of a contradiction considering Gabby's attitude is shite and has been for a long time yet you are more willing to give him a chance?
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Gabby can fuck right off.
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If Gabby shows up in great shape and raring to go, why the smeg has it taken him 2 or 3 years to do that? I'll be fecked if i'm forgiving a fat waster that has taken the piss by turning up to play professional football with a spare tyre around his waist.
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I would imagine he is in great shape now because he knows his position in the team is on the line...another one of the shysters who only shows when their pay packet is under threat or they're playing for a new contract.
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Gabby can fuck right off.
And when he gets there, he can fuck off from there too
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I can accept getting relegated (just about) but it was the manner in which we were relegated. None of Guzan, Lescott, Richards, Bacuna and especially Agbonlahor, gave a shit, not one of them. Players like Hutton, Westwood and a few others I feel were trying, but they just weren't good enough. I can live with those players remaining but not the five above...they have to go...we can't forgive or forget. Jack Grealish has no excuse this season either.
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Gabby can fuck right off.
I'll drive from here to Bodymoor to pick him up and take him wherever he's going to make sure he gets there.
Actually, Lye Town might be a good bet. If it's still there there used to be a fab greasy spoon just round the corner at Lye Cross going back towards Hagley.
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Still there!
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I would imagine he is in great shape now because he knows his position in the team is on the line...another one of the shysters who only shows when their pay packet is under threat or they're playing for a new contract.
Well he was obviously so upset about not being anywhere near the team last season, he had to start comfort eating.
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Still there!
Christ the number of heavy duty away days that started in there "to put a lining on your stomach". Hic.
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It's still cheap for a heart attack on a plate as well.
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Big Mac's?
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Can't remember what it's called, it's probably been 10 years, maybe more.
Just remember some cracking early morning breakfasts if I was out with a couple of mates from Lye.
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Gabby posted a couple of pics of himself on his Instagram account. To be honest he looks in top shape. Arguably the best in years. Also word that our Jack has a personal trainer and is in good form and looking forward to pre-season training next week.
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Yeah it looks like someone has given Gabby a proper kick up the ass and got himself back in shape judging by the pics posted on Instagram. If someone could donate him a brain then he might be of some use next season.
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Gabby posted a couple of pics of himself on his Instagram account. To be honest he looks in top shape. Arguably the best in years. Also word that our Jack has a personal trainer and is in good form and looking forward to pre-season training next week.
any chance of pics for those not yet in the 21st century :(
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I followed a Twitter feed to the mail story about Grealish and his personal training in Dubai. The report also acknowledged that he has waived an extra few days holiday entitlement to present at first day of pre-season. It's the minimum he owes after last season, but very encouraging by the same token. If he's mentally right as well as physically next season, he could do some damage in the championship next season. Keep it up Jack.
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All absolute wankers. Will not be impressed if I see any of them playing for us next season.
Worst is Gabby-I shall never ever ever support anything he does again. He no doubt will do fuck all, but still. Bridge has been well and truly burnt.
Richards and Bacuna next in line. Get in the sea motherfuckers! Twitter wanker, grinning wanker. Scum. Both shit, too.
Lescott-the tweet after losing 6-0. Fuck off you turd.
Guzan-shit. Fuck off.
Nail on head.
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The only thing I care about is getting promoted next year. If the manager feels he wants to make use of existing players then so be it - so long as they show real commitment and application. I may not like them at the moment, but the bigger picture is more important to me. I appreciate the sentiment that we will never be successful with them playing, but for me that is the managers call not ours and if he decides they are worth more to us in the squad than training with the kids or whatever, then that is his call.
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Can't remember what it's called, it's probably been 10 years, maybe more.
Just remember some cracking early morning breakfasts if I was out with a couple of mates from Lye.
Black Country Kitchen or was that Brierley Hill?
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Can't remember what it's called, it's probably been 10 years, maybe more.
Just remember some cracking early morning breakfasts if I was out with a couple of mates from Lye.
Black Country Kitchen or was that Brierley Hill?
Just had a look on Streetview, and it was, as Cheltenhamsaid, Big Macs. I also noticed that Spice of Lyefe is still there as well. Happy days.
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Can't remember what it's called, it's probably been 10 years, maybe more.
Just remember some cracking early morning breakfasts if I was out with a couple of mates from Lye.
Black Country Kitchen or was that Brierley Hill?
Just had a look on Streetview, and it was, as Cheltenhamsaid, Big Macs. I also noticed that Spice of Lyefe is still there as well. Happy days.
I remember when there was only one Balti - Mr Dave's (he was an BT employee who worked with my best mate)
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Gabby posted a couple of pics of himself on his Instagram account. To be honest he looks in top shape. Arguably the best in years. Also word that our Jack has a personal trainer and is in good form and looking forward to pre-season training next week.
any chance of pics for those not yet in the 21st century :(
Not sure how to post images from Instagram but so he's an article from the Birmingham Mail and link to his Instagram account with more pics...
Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-social-media-round-11527108)
Gabby Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/ga11official)
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He looks like he's shed at least 2 stone.
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So much for my "Gabby's on cream buns, our defence is terrified" song.
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I will never ever forgive any of the usual suspects for the way they absolved their responsibilities as professionals last season so they can all go as far as I am concerned. These being;
Gabriel.
Richards
Bacuna
Guzan
Lescott
Get rid of those and you have a damn good start.
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I will never ever forgive any of the usual suspects for the way they absolved their responsibilities as professionals last season so they can all go as far as I am concerned. These being;
Gabriel.
Richards
Bacuna
Guzan
Lescott
Get rid of those and you have a damn good start.
And what if the manager wants to make use of them?
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That's what I've been suggesting. There may well be a scenario that some or all of them are still at the club. And as much anger as we have at them it will counter productive to let that continue into the new season. And especially as it appears with the main protagonist Gabby, he has actually taken the off season very seriously and he appears to be in incredible shape. A supremely fit and motivated Gabby is an asset. Last years version clearly was a waste of fucking space.
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There's a difference between not booing a player that has been shit and taking the piss for years, let's call him Gabby, and forgiving the fat twat.
If Gabby plays for us again then I will support the shirt he wears and hope he has a great season as that is obviously beneficial to Villa. I will cheer if he scores, i'll still dislike him though.
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That goes without saying. Gabby's a massive wanker for what he did. Ideally he'd have been fucked off with the others but realistically that might not happen. If he chooses the path of redemption which it looks like he might be then he should be applauded in that. It's hard to forgive or forget but I'll support him if he ends up help my club back to the PL.
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Gabby? It's a no from me, whatever his weight. Too much water under the bridge on this one. Shedding a few pounds will not turn him in to the next Lionel Messi. He might be a bit quicker, but he's still shit. Get rid.
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That goes without saying. Gabby's a massive wanker for what he did. Ideally he'd have been fucked off with the others but realistically that might not happen. If he chooses the path of redemption which it looks like he might be then he should be applauded in that. It's hard to forgive or forget but I'll support him if he ends up help my club back to the PL.
That's a very considered, interesting point. Let's f##k the fat twat off asap.
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That goes without saying. Gabby's a massive wanker for what he did. Ideally he'd have been fucked off with the others but realistically that might not happen. If he chooses the path of redemption which it looks like he might be then he should be applauded in that. It's hard to forgive or forget but I'll support him if he ends up help my club back to the PL.
That's a very considered, interesting point. Let's f##k the fat twat off asap.
If he was still fat I'd agree entirely.
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That goes without saying. Gabby's a massive wanker for what he did. Ideally he'd have been fucked off with the others but realistically that might not happen. If he chooses the path of redemption which it looks like he might be then he should be applauded in that. It's hard to forgive or forget but I'll support him if he ends up help my club back to the PL.
That's a very considered, interesting point. Let's f##k the fat twat off asap.
If he was still fat I'd agree entirely.
Irrelevant. Stable-horse-bolted.
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Let's be honest. We win the first three games and all will be forgiven.
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Keeping Gabby would just send out the wrong message.
Take a holiday for five years (which is essentially what he has done) fcuk about, make a fool of yourself, but if you show up for one pre season actually fit, it's all water under the bridge and you can coast for another few years. That's good enough for Aston Villa. We'll put up with any old shit. It's a mindset that needs to change.
I hope losing the weight gets him a move elsewhere, because on its own it isn't enough.
Being fit enough to do your job should be the bare minimum for just about every professional athlete. In and of itself it isn't worthy of praise or extra recognition.
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Scabby is doing what Scabby does best, worming his greasy looking face in with the the new guys. I'll give him his credit though, he plays the manipulation game well.
Does anyone seriously believe he's going to tear the Championship a new one and score the goals we need for our promotion push, seriously?
The guy needs to be paid off or sold for whatever bid any club is stupid enough to offer.
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Let's be honest. We win the first three games and all will be forgiven.
'Twas ever thus
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Get rid of the lot of them. I'd be very pissed off if we give these twats a second chance after their attitude last season
Yay, yay, and thrice yay.
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The past indiscretions of the likes of Gabby are unforgivable but if it's Gabby of old and he stays injury free, focussed and runs riot in the Championship then I would support him as he would finally be contributing again.
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You know i would have been more lenient on Gabby's form of late if he was quoted or reported to have had a go at the other wankers because this is "our villa" and that they were letting us and the club down - like he knew what it meant to the fans etc
Considering he was the biggest villain in the piece tells you what you need to know
I do actually think a lean, fit and motivated Gabby could tear the championship a new one - its the personality i cannot stand
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You know i would have been more lenient on Gabby's form of late if he was quoted or reported to have had a go at the other wankers because this is "our villa" and that they were letting us and the club down - like he knew what it meant to the fans etc
Considering he was the biggest villain in the piece tells you what you need to know
I do actually think a lean, fit and motivated Gabby could tear the championship a new one - its the personality i cannot stand
I don't think any of us are very fond of him right now. But there's a divide between those who want him and the others out at all costs and those who are prepared to accept their re-integration if that is what the manager wants. I fall into the latter camp. Whilst I am skeptical about all of them, I think the manager is better placed to judge whether they can make a positive contribution than I am. I agree with you that if Gabby could find form he could become a valuable asset.
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You know i would have been more lenient on Gabby's form of late if he was quoted or reported to have had a go at the other wankers because this is "our villa" and that they were letting us and the club down - like he knew what it meant to the fans etc
Considering he was the biggest villain in the piece tells you what you need to know
I do actually think a lean, fit and motivated Gabby could tear the championship a new one - its the personality i cannot stand
I don't think any of us are very fond of him right now. But there's a divide between those who want him and the others out at all costs and those who are prepared to accept their re-integration if that is what the manager wants. I fall into the latter camp. Whilst I am skeptical about all of them, I think the manager is better placed to judge whether they can make a positive contribution than I am. I agree with you that if Gabby could find form he could become a valuable asset.
Hypothetically, if I was being continually kicked in the balls i'd do something about it were I able. I wouldn't let the perpetrator take one last almighty run up in the hope the resulting outcome is any different.
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It's easy for a professional sportsman to lose weight, not so easy to lose a bad attitude.
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Agbonlahor says “I’ll be trying to give 100% every game if I’m chosen"
I think I'd rather not forgive him.
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Whilst I think he'd cause problems with his pace in the Championship, he still won't score the goals we need to get promotion. Good impact sub, at best.
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Gabby's staying, so all you haters will soon be put in your place when he scores his one goal a season then cups his ear to celebrate the unjust negativity... so there!
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Gabby's staying, so all you haters will soon be put in your place when he scores his one goal a season then cups his ear to celebrate the unjust negativity... so there!
I'll squirt him with a super soaker full of cooking oil.
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Agbonlahor says “I’ll be trying to give 100% every game if I’m chosen"
I think I'd rather not forgive him.
No you fecker - 100% is the minimum you should be giving every game
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It's easy for a professional sportsman to lose weight, not so easy to lose a bad attitude.
Gabby being willing to listen to the Fitness team and consequently RDM and slimming down to a more nippy version would indicate an attitude change though.
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It's easy for a professional sportsman to lose weight, not so easy to lose a bad attitude.
Gabby being willing to listen to the Fitness team and consequently RDM and slimming down to a more nippy version would indicate an attitude change though.
Not necessarily. It would indicate that he wanted to slim down, and don't we all, but with him being a professional sportsman it's somewhat germane to his job description. The bare minimum requirement.
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Richardson linked with scum! I can't stop laughing!! They deserve each other!!!
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Agbonlahor says “I’ll be trying to give 100% every game if I’m chosen"
I think I'd rather not forgive him.
No you fecker - 100% is the minimum you should be giving every game
I'm not defending the wanker, but on this occasion, I think he's just being thick and meant to say he'll be trying 100% every game.
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Richardson linked with scum! I can't stop laughing!! They deserve each other!!!
I've got no malice towards Richardson, he was just well past his best.
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Richardson linked with scum! I can't stop laughing!! They deserve each other!!!
I've got no malice towards Richardson, he was just well past his best.
He was only 30 at the beginning of last season, I just don't think his best was ever good enough to be a Prem starter.
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Richardson linked with scum! I can't stop laughing!! They deserve each other!!!
I've got no malice towards Richardson, he was just well past his best.
He was only 30 at the beginning of last season, I just don't think his best was ever good enough to be a Prem starter.
He played for England and I mentioned on another thread joe Bennett is like him but actually won't achieve as much.
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Richardson linked with scum! I can't stop laughing!! They deserve each other!!!
I've got no malice towards Richardson, he was just well past his best.
He was only 30 at the beginning of last season, I just don't think his best was ever good enough to be a Prem starter.
That's not his fault.
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Richardson linked with scum! I can't stop laughing!! They deserve each other!!!
I've got no malice towards Richardson, he was just well past his best.
He was only 30 at the beginning of last season, I just don't think his best was ever good enough to be a Prem starter.
That's not his fault.
Not giving a fuck for 5 years is though.
For what it's worth he proved he was good enough to be a starter for an upper mid table team. He did it 3 years running.
It's just a pity that when the going got a bit tough he stopped putting the effort in.
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Richardson linked with scum! I can't stop laughing!! They deserve each other!!!
I've got no malice towards Richardson, he was just well past his best.
He was only 30 at the beginning of last season, I just don't think his best was ever good enough to be a Prem starter.
That's not his fault.
Not giving a fuck for 5 years is though.
For what it's worth he proved he was good enough to be a starter for an upper mid table team. He did it 3 years running.
It's just a pity that when the going got a bit tough he stopped putting the effort in.
I wouldn't say he never gave a fuck, I can't think of too many games where you'd question his attitude.
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I didn't see anything wrong with his attitude either, he was just past it.