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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
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It emerged recently that Xia looked at buying Marseille. Now Wyness quoted that our new owner is looking to buy other clubs to make Villa stronger by establishing networks across the world. Amazing to think how shorter sighted Randy became versus this new approach and attitude.
Chief executive Keith Wyness: Aston Villa in talks to buy foreign clubs
Incoming chief executive Keith Wyness has confirmed Tony Xia is in active discussions to buy other clubs as the new owner aims to make Villa a global force.
Clubs in India, the USA, Australia and China are thought to have been identified as potential franchises as Xia looks to replicate the success of Manchester City.
Several franchises operate under the City Football Group banner including New York City in the MLS and Melbourne City in Australia’s A-League. Wyness said: “It’s similar. The idea is to have a comprehensive pool of talent and abilities to take players up through different stages of club experience.
“Depending on their age, development, talent. Give yourself that opportunity to monitor the talent very closely wherever they are.
“It won’t be announced this week but we’re in active discussions that’s all I can say. Every club has different factors but we have identified a number and we are in discussions.”
Xia hopes to make Villa the most popular club in China and Wyness, whose appointment is expected to be approved by the Football League later this week, wants to make the most of their marketing potential in the Far East.
He said: “We’ve got an opportunity to be the best in the business.”
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It's like real-life cheating at Football Manager. Maybe Tony has realised how hard it will be to punt the likes of Gabby so will buy these other teams so they can buy the dross at good prices.....
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It emerged recently that Xia looked at buying Marseille. Now Wyness quoted that our new owner is looking to buy other clubs to make Villa stronger by establishing networks across the world. Amazing to think how shorter sighted Randy became versus this new approach and attitude.
Chief executive Keith Wyness: Aston Villa in talks to buy foreign clubs
Incoming chief executive Keith Wyness has confirmed Tony Xia is in active discussions to buy other clubs as the new owner aims to make Villa a global force.
Clubs in India, the USA, Australia and China are thought to have been identified as potential franchises as Xia looks to replicate the success of Manchester City.
Several franchises operate under the City Football Group banner including New York City in the MLS and Melbourne City in Australia’s A-League. Wyness said: “It’s similar. The idea is to have a comprehensive pool of talent and abilities to take players up through different stages of club experience.
“Depending on their age, development, talent. Give yourself that opportunity to monitor the talent very closely wherever they are.
“It won’t be announced this week but we’re in active discussions that’s all I can say. Every club has different factors but we have identified a number and we are in discussions.”
Xia hopes to make Villa the most popular club in China and Wyness, whose appointment is expected to be approved by the Football League later this week, wants to make the most of their marketing potential in the Far East.
He said: “We’ve got an opportunity to be the best in the business.”
Do you reckon he'll only buy European clubs that he's supported for years?
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Copied my thoughts from the other thread to save time...
Sounds pretty cool to me.
It'll make foreign leagues more interesting if there is a Kolkata/Guangzhou/Seattle/Melbourne Villa to cheer for. It would presumably put to bed any rumours about our owners not having sufficient capital.
To compete long-term at the very top we would need to expand our global fanbase massively and this is one way of doing that.
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Hopefully he'll buy the B.lues, knock the swamp down and use it as a park and ride for the new Aston Theme Park
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This could be added to the masturbation thread?
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Let's build a club worthy of the brand first eh ?
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If we get promoted, and I acknowledge it's a big "if", we will already be behind our competitors due to the extra year(s) of Premier League money they'll have accrued. If we can find other ways to get a financial advantage over them we should go for it.
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Let's build a club worthy of the brand first eh ?
I think we should become the biggest team in China before we start thinking about European and US franchises. Small steps and all that....
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Let's build a club worthy of the brand first eh ?
My thoughts although franchising will inevitably happen under this ownership.
Didn't we from memory have some sort of tie in with a Danish club about 10 years ago? Don't think much came of that.
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I won't be convinced until he gets a tattoo.
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I may possibly have dreamed this as I can't find anything on the internet now, but didn't we have some sort of tie up deal with Rhyl FC? Knowing Ellis, it would have for free static caravan provision in the holidays.
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I'm all for this and I'd like to see a couple of european clubs from the 'b' leagues as well (Holland, Belgium, Portugal, etc) because they're the ones where being able to send our youth players over for a year will help their development massively and it also gives us a fantastic scouting base to work with to get the best young talent in those countries.
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Let's build a club worthy of the brand first eh ?
My thoughts although franchising will inevitably happen under this ownership.
Didn't we from memory have some sort of tie in with a Danish club about 10 years ago? Don't think much came of that.
Yes I was just thinking of that too. Couldn't find any info on that either though.
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I bet it's getting quieter over in Bordesley.
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Let's build a club worthy of the brand first eh ?
My thoughts although franchising will inevitably happen under this ownership.
Didn't we from memory have some sort of tie in with a Danish club about 10 years ago? Don't think much came of that.
Yes I was just thinking of that too. Couldn't find any info on that either though.
I'm sure it was AB. I remember it being a team in Green and White. I think we signed a couple of kids but they never made it.
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This was the Danish link-up:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/villa-announce-link-with-ab-copenhagen-1.415944
I don't think anything came of it. Wasn't it supposed to be a way to get around British work permit rules by farming off talented non-EU youngsters to Denmark until they had acquired a Danish passport so we could sign them?
I seem to recall a similar link with some Swedish mob but don't recall a link with Rhyl. Indeed I can't see what we'd have gained from one.
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Knowing us, we'll build an empire of European clubs, get into europe ourselves and then get knocked out by one of our own teams.
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Knowing us, we'll build an empire of European clubs, get into europe ourselves and then get knocked out by one of our own teams.
On away goals, it always seems away goals.
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So he's going to buy more clubs, but insists he will spend all his time here? Utter rubbish. This whole takeover is doomed to failure. At least see if he can run one club first before taking on others.
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So he's going to buy more clubs, but insists he will spend all his time here? Utter rubbish. This whole takeover is doomed to failure. At least see if he can run one club first before taking on others.
He didn't insist he would spend all his time here, he said he would spend the time he needs to here. He has also appointed an experienced football CEO to run the business day-to-day.
As for 'utter rubbish', I would suggest that applies better to your 'doomed to failure' nonsense.
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So he's going to buy more clubs, but insists he will spend all his time here? Utter rubbish. This whole takeover is doomed to failure. At least see if he can run one club first before taking on others.
Fucking shock, horror. Another miserable, negative post by LTA. Nothing will make you happier than seeing it doomed to failure is my impression.
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So he's going to buy more clubs, but insists he will spend all his time here? Utter rubbish. This whole takeover is doomed to failure. At least see if he can run one club first before taking on others.
LTA, are you actually hoping to achieve something with this relentless stream of negativity?
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This was the Danish link-up:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/villa-announce-link-with-ab-copenhagen-1.415944
I don't think anything came of it. Wasn't it supposed to be a way to get around British work permit rules by farming off talented non-EU youngsters to Denmark until they had acquired a Danish passport so we could sign them?
I seem to recall a similar link with some Swedish mob but don't recall a link with Rhyl. Indeed I can't see what we'd have gained from one.
If it was AB København, then it was the club that's now returned to it's orginal name of AB (Akademisk Boldklub) Gladsaxe, Gladsaxe being a suburb of Greater Copenhagen like Brøndby.
A quick Google says that they were relegated from the top flight in 2004/05 and have just been relegated to the 3rd division.
I don't know where the quick work around passport requirements comes from.
7 years uninterupted residency for a Danish passport after passing the citizenship exam, with maximum of 6 months in total out of the country.
Earlier this year, 1 guy from New Zealand got kicked back 6 months because he tootk his wife and 5 year old daughter to NZ for 3 months just before he was due to take the exam, not realising that the 2 x 2 month secondments to the US for his employer would count in the 6 months.
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Maybe I'm wrong then. I remember Man U had a deal with Antwerp and remember thinking this was the same. Obviously immigration rules in Belgium are different to in Denmark, so I don't know what the point in the link-up, if it ever got off the ground, was.
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So he's going to buy more clubs, but insists he will spend all his time here? Utter rubbish. This whole takeover is doomed to failure. At least see if he can run one club first before taking on others.
You really hope so we get it. Bet your getting nervous as we're getting excited though, eh?
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I can't wait till we start winning again and LTA stops posting.
He contributes nothing but gloom and misery.
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I can't wait till we start winning again and LTA stops posting.
He contributes nothing but gloom and misery.
Oh I don't know.
He/She gives me a 5 minute mental workout trying to come up with appropriate meanings for LTA.
I always get stuck with Laughably and Tedious and I'm starting to run out of suitable A's as well.
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I may possibly have dreamed this as I can't find anything on the internet now, but didn't we have some sort of tie up deal with Rhyl FC? Knowing Ellis, it would have for free static caravan provision in the holidays.
Warm weather training at the sun centre.
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Doesn't the Charlton owner own Eastern European clubs and basically forces Charltons manager to sign them and play them?
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I can't wait till we start winning again and LTA stops posting.
He contributes nothing but gloom and misery.
Oh I don't know.
He/She gives me a 5 minute mental workout trying to come up with appropriate meanings for LTA.
I always get stuck with Laughably and Tedious and I'm starting to run out of suitable A's as well.
There are quite a few that spring to mind... asswipe and analfelcher are just two.
Sorry if people are offended by the above sentence. It was the incorrect use of ellipses, but it emphasised my point.
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I may possibly have dreamed this as I can't find anything on the internet now, but didn't we have some sort of tie up deal with Rhyl FC? Knowing Ellis, it would have for free static caravan provision in the holidays.
Birmingham Post
December 5, 2000
FOOTBALL: VILLA PLAN WIDENING ACADEMIC PURSUITS
BYLINE: Michael Ward
Youngsters like Gareth Barry could come through the new Villa academy in North Wales
Aston Villa are in the throes of setting up a junior academy at Rhyl Football Club to develop the cream of young talent in North Wales.
The partnership between the Premiership giants and the League of Wales outfit is designed to nurture potential stars of the future aged between nine to 16, with Rhyl acting as the springboard for their elevation to the big-time.
Provision has been made for Villa to stand the cost of building, staffing and running the academy, which would enable Rhyl to field the pick of emerging players before their intended graduation to Villa's Premiership ranks.
Villa have a similar academy up and running at Motherwell in Scotland and the club have earmarked other sites on the continent as part of their commitment to developing young talent. Brian Jones, director of the Aston Villa Academy based at Bodymoor Heath and the man who discovered Gareth Barry when he was at Brighton, confirmed the link with Rhyl last night.
'We felt we needed to establish some kind of base in Wales and Wyn Jones, our chief scout in the North West, has good contacts at Rhyl,' Jones said. 'Everton have linked up with Colwyn Bay further up the coast and we're in the process of negotiating to set up a similar partnership with Rhyl. They have a good infrastructure in place there and I was impressed with their professionalism.'
The Welsh club's managing director, Peter Parry, revealed yesterday: 'The links between Aston Villa and ourselves will be much stronger than any previous tie-ups that have been seen up and down the country.
'Talks have been going on for some time between the two clubs and we are very close to sealing the agreement. The benefits are two-way, with Villa establishing a strong foothold in North Wales and Rhyl enjoying the advantages of being associated with a big-name Premiership club.
'It is a very exciting prospect, not just for Rhyl, but for all young players in North Wales. The structure will depend on the European Union's ruling on transfers and I will be meeting Villa chairman Doug Ellis to iron out the details in the near future.'
As part of the goodwill exercise, Villa are sending a strong reserve-team squad to Belle Vue tonight for a friendly game against Rhyl's first team, whose League of Wales fixture at Caersws at the weekend had to be postponed because of a waterlogged pitch.
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So he's going to buy more clubs, but insists he will spend all his time here? Utter rubbish. This whole takeover is doomed to failure.
The takeover you said wouldn't happen? You've been proved wrong (yet again) and made yourself look stupid (yet again).
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I may possibly have dreamed this as I can't find anything on the internet now, but didn't we have some sort of tie up deal with Rhyl FC? Knowing Ellis, it would have for free static caravan provision in the holidays.
Birmingham Post
December 5, 2000
FOOTBALL: VILLA PLAN WIDENING ACADEMIC PURSUITS
BYLINE: Michael Ward
Youngsters like Gareth Barry could come through the new Villa academy in North Wales
Aston Villa are in the throes of setting up a junior academy at Rhyl Football Club to develop the cream of young talent in North Wales.
The partnership between the Premiership giants and the League of Wales outfit is designed to nurture potential stars of the future aged between nine to 16, with Rhyl acting as the springboard for their elevation to the big-time.
Provision has been made for Villa to stand the cost of building, staffing and running the academy, which would enable Rhyl to field the pick of emerging players before their intended graduation to Villa's Premiership ranks.
Villa have a similar academy up and running at Motherwell in Scotland and the club have earmarked other sites on the continent as part of their commitment to developing young talent. Brian Jones, director of the Aston Villa Academy based at Bodymoor Heath and the man who discovered Gareth Barry when he was at Brighton, confirmed the link with Rhyl last night.
'We felt we needed to establish some kind of base in Wales and Wyn Jones, our chief scout in the North West, has good contacts at Rhyl,' Jones said. 'Everton have linked up with Colwyn Bay further up the coast and we're in the process of negotiating to set up a similar partnership with Rhyl. They have a good infrastructure in place there and I was impressed with their professionalism.'
The Welsh club's managing director, Peter Parry, revealed yesterday: 'The links between Aston Villa and ourselves will be much stronger than any previous tie-ups that have been seen up and down the country.
'Talks have been going on for some time between the two clubs and we are very close to sealing the agreement. The benefits are two-way, with Villa establishing a strong foothold in North Wales and Rhyl enjoying the advantages of being associated with a big-name Premiership club.
'It is a very exciting prospect, not just for Rhyl, but for all young players in North Wales. The structure will depend on the European Union's ruling on transfers and I will be meeting Villa chairman Doug Ellis to iron out the details in the near future.'
As part of the goodwill exercise, Villa are sending a strong reserve-team squad to Belle Vue tonight for a friendly game against Rhyl's first team, whose League of Wales fixture at Caersws at the weekend had to be postponed because of a waterlogged pitch.
Bloody hell Chico, where did you dig that out from?
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I can't wait till we start winning again and LTA stops posting.
He contributes nothing but gloom and misery.
I can't wait till we start winning again and LTA stops posting.
He contributes nothing but gloom and misery.
Oh I don't know.
He/She gives me a 5 minute mental workout trying to come up with appropriate meanings for LTA.
I always get stuck with Laughably and Tedious and I'm starting to run out of suitable A's as well.
Love the Albion.
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I can't wait till we start winning again and LTA stops posting.
He contributes nothing but gloom and misery.
Oh I don't know.
He/She gives me a 5 minute mental workout trying to come up with appropriate meanings for LTA.
I always get stuck with Laughably and Tedious and I'm starting to run out of suitable A's as well.
Loves to agrivate?
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Complaining for a second time that the new owner has ambitious plans is some going.
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So he's going to buy more clubs, but insists he will spend all his time here? Utter rubbish. This whole takeover is doomed to failure. At least see if he can run one club first before taking on others.
Yawn.
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If we get promoted, and I acknowledge it's a big "if", we will already be behind our competitors due to the extra year(s) of Premier League money they'll have accrued. If we can find other ways to get a financial advantage over them we should go for it.
I would hope that this will be marginalised if we come straight back up. We will have a lot of players wages cut by relegation clauses which I honestly dont think will be reflected in lowered matchday income. Infact, the extra games should make up the difference. Im sure we get like 30m parachute for going down as well dont we? The extra money in the PL is well documented and I can see alot of clubs having to pay over the odds for average players from the continent.
Coupled with the fresh injection of cash from Dr X and the writing off of debts, we may even be comparably better off than when we went down IF we make it back up at first time of asking. Our problem over the last 10 years has not been a lack of cash but more a lack of idea of how best to use it.
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Complaining for a second time that the new owner has ambitious plans is some going.
While I'm no Matlock, my investigation into this recent matter suggests that no proper Villa fan is going to think, let alone say those things.
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I guess the closest comparison we have right now are the Pozzos, right? Seems like they've done alright juggling the three of them.
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I may possibly have dreamed this as I can't find anything on the internet now, but didn't we have some sort of tie up deal with Rhyl FC? Knowing Ellis, it would have for free static caravan provision in the holidays.
Birmingham Post
December 5, 2000
FOOTBALL: VILLA PLAN WIDENING ACADEMIC PURSUITS
BYLINE: Michael Ward
Youngsters like Gareth Barry could come through the new Villa academy in North Wales
Aston Villa are in the throes of setting up a junior academy at Rhyl Football Club to develop the cream of young talent in North Wales.
The partnership between the Premiership giants and the League of Wales outfit is designed to nurture potential stars of the future aged between nine to 16, with Rhyl acting as the springboard for their elevation to the big-time.
Provision has been made for Villa to stand the cost of building, staffing and running the academy, which would enable Rhyl to field the pick of emerging players before their intended graduation to Villa's Premiership ranks.
Villa have a similar academy up and running at Motherwell in Scotland and the club have earmarked other sites on the continent as part of their commitment to developing young talent. Brian Jones, director of the Aston Villa Academy based at Bodymoor Heath and the man who discovered Gareth Barry when he was at Brighton, confirmed the link with Rhyl last night.
'We felt we needed to establish some kind of base in Wales and Wyn Jones, our chief scout in the North West, has good contacts at Rhyl,' Jones said. 'Everton have linked up with Colwyn Bay further up the coast and we're in the process of negotiating to set up a similar partnership with Rhyl. They have a good infrastructure in place there and I was impressed with their professionalism.'
The Welsh club's managing director, Peter Parry, revealed yesterday: 'The links between Aston Villa and ourselves will be much stronger than any previous tie-ups that have been seen up and down the country.
'Talks have been going on for some time between the two clubs and we are very close to sealing the agreement. The benefits are two-way, with Villa establishing a strong foothold in North Wales and Rhyl enjoying the advantages of being associated with a big-name Premiership club.
'It is a very exciting prospect, not just for Rhyl, but for all young players in North Wales. The structure will depend on the European Union's ruling on transfers and I will be meeting Villa chairman Doug Ellis to iron out the details in the near future.'
As part of the goodwill exercise, Villa are sending a strong reserve-team squad to Belle Vue tonight for a friendly game against Rhyl's first team, whose League of Wales fixture at Caersws at the weekend had to be postponed because of a waterlogged pitch.
Bloody hell Chico, where did you dig that out from?
Nice work Chico, you should be working at GCHQ! Glad to see I'm not going mad, any road.
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Like Risso I recall the Man U - Antwerp link, but I don't recall it leading to anything. Are there any examples of this arrangement working between different countries as opposed to the feeder club system in Italy?
I know Watford have a link via their owner with an Italian club (Udinese?) but I am not too sure what that gives them. Presumably the option to push players to England - if so is it a case of Watford having first dibs and how much say does the player have in coming?
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I guess the closest comparison we have right now are the Pozzos, right? Seems like they've done alright juggling the three of them.
Yes I know they have got stick of loaning a huge amount of players when they were in the championship but it worked out very well for Watford, they got some very good international standard players in the championship for very little in transfer fees.
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Like Risso I recall the Man U - Antwerp link, but I don't recall it leading to anything. Are there any examples of this arrangement working between different countries as opposed to the feeder club system in Italy?
I know Watford have a link via their owner with an Italian club (Udinese?) but I am not too sure what that gives them. Presumably the option to push players to England - if so is it a case of Watford having first dibs and how much say does the player have in coming?
Man U had had loads of youth players spend time at Antwerp, including Jonny Evans.
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I bet it's getting quieter over in Bordesley.
Had a peek and what do you know the elusive Rags has posted, and surprisingly revealed absolutely nothing.
He did post this though;
Can't remember how much "Dr" Tony is giving Villa for players ... was it £30 million the fans were creaming themselves over ?
Not sure who he's looking at but Watford have turned down an offer of £25 million for Troy Deeney from Leicester, so he may need to dig a little deeper for those 8 Premiership standard players he wants.
And despite other posters requesting him to post his revelations he has failed to do so. Perhaps he's keeping his powder dry until we're back in the Premier then he can cry foul.
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LTA = Looking Towards Armageddon
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LTA = Looking Towards Armageddon
On the day we secure promotion
Looks Totally Apoplectic.
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Lawn Tennis Association.
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Like Risso I recall the Man U - Antwerp link, but I don't recall it leading to anything. Are there any examples of this arrangement working between different countries as opposed to the feeder club system in Italy?
I know Watford have a link via their owner with an Italian club (Udinese?) but I am not too sure what that gives them. Presumably the option to push players to England - if so is it a case of Watford having first dibs and how much say does the player have in coming?
Man U had had loads of youth players spend time at Antwerp, including Jonny Evans.
O'shea, Heaton, Higginbottam (sp), Chadwick,... they had quite a few decent players on loan back then.
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I would like us to buy River Plate from Argentina ;) for nursery club. I do think we need a b team to develop young players and we should have an european team so our players can learn to play in europe and understand different culture in football.
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It doesn't bother me much either way. It won't really make much difference to us to have links to mediocre foreign clubs, because lets face it, we're not going to establish links with Barca or Real Madrid.
On the other hand I wouldn't want too much of our owners attention being taken from Villa. This is a bloody tough job he's got to back up his promises.
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Doctor X should give Beckham a call to see if he wants help with his MLS franchsise, Miami Villa works nicely as a name
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Like Risso I recall the Man U - Antwerp link, but I don't recall it leading to anything. Are there any examples of this arrangement working between different countries as opposed to the feeder club system in Italy?
I know Watford have a link via their owner with an Italian club (Udinese?) but I am not too sure what that gives them. Presumably the option to push players to England - if so is it a case of Watford having first dibs and how much say does the player have in coming?
Dr X isn't talking about merely linking up with clubs like Man U with Antwerp, he's looking to follow the Man City model of actually owning other clubs.
City's offices at the new academy ground next to the Etihad are the headquarters of the "City Football Group" and all 4 clubs logos are on the reception wall - Man City, New York City, Melbourne City & the Japanese club.
The New York part doesn't seem so bad to me as it is a newly formed club, but I'm not comfortable in buying up existing clubs and enforcing our Villa name and colours on it (as wonderful as they are). Melbourne City used to be Melbourne Heart, playing in red - I can't imagine many football fans would welcome such a change of identity to their club, and would probably end up resenting the parent club.
Imagine if we'd been told we'd become the Birmingham Browns when Randy bought us!
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Doctor X should give Beckham a call to see if he wants help with his MLS franchsise, Miami Villa works nicely as a name
Given our historical involvement with the city, I'd rather we went with the new Atlanta franchise but they've already chosen the tedious United as their name.
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LTA = Looking Towards Armageddon
On the day we secure promotion
Looks Totally Apoplectic.
Noel Edmonds has an opinion on what LTA's negative energy may do. I never understood why Noel Edmonds was so disliked until then but boy did it hit me. It was like being hit by a truck driven by Mike Tyson.
Loves Turd Apostles.
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life threatening arrhythmia
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I reckon LTA is Paul Franks
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Let's Talk Arse
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Lo, Tragedy Ahoy!
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Doctor X should give Beckham a call to see if he wants help with his MLS franchsise, Miami Villa works nicely as a name
Given our historical involvement with the city, I'd rather we went with the new Atlanta franchise but they've already chosen the tedious United as their name.
If you wouldnt mind eloborating, What involvement is that please?
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Doctor X should give Beckham a call to see if he wants help with his MLS franchsise, Miami Villa works nicely as a name
Given our historical involvement with the city, I'd rather we went with the new Atlanta franchise but they've already chosen the tedious United as their name.
If you wouldnt mind eloborating, What involvement is that please?
Without checking I think it's got something to do with former Villa player Phil Woosnam being involved with Atlanta Chiefs in various roles and I think Emmet Kapengwe played for them as well.
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Vancouver Villa......it feels right...it sounds right........Godzvilla!
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If we're looking for somewhere for a pre-season trip, San Diego Villa also sounds good
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Austin Villa, surely?
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Likes Trolling Antagonistically due to Long Term Antipathy to all things Villa
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Doctor X should give Beckham a call to see if he wants help with his MLS franchsise, Miami Villa works nicely as a name
Given our historical involvement with the city, I'd rather we went with the new Atlanta franchise but they've already chosen the tedious United as their name.
If you wouldnt mind eloborating, What involvement is that please?
Basically Phil Woosnam was heavily involved with the Atlanta Chiefs NASL team and Peter McParland and Vic Crowe also played for them. In one season we went over to America to play in a tournament under the name "Atlanta Chiefs", even though it was actually Villa playing.
There was more to it than that, was dealt with at length in a previous article in H&V.
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Manila Villa