Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2016, 01:20:52 AM
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Happy no more Charles N'Zogbia day!
Disappointed we never saw more of Donacien, I quite liked what little I saw of him. Good luck to all the youngsters released. No ill will towards Richardson, just not good enough, not his fault. As for Zog, I have tried but can’t seem to come up with a comment that reflects terribly well on me.
Players released by the club
Charles N'Zogbia
Kieron Richardson
Charlie Bannister
Janoi Donacien
Lewis Kinsella
Kodi Lyons-Foster
Benjamin Siegrist
Joshua Webb
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It's eye watering the money he has drained from the club.
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Who has made the decision to release these players I wonder? You'd think the new management would want to take a look at some of them e.g Kinsella and Donacien before sanctioning their release?
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Paddy Riley?
Disappointed that Donacien is going. I have rated him whenever I he seen him play.
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Break out the bunting, N'Zogbia is no longer our problem.
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Paddy Riley?
Disappointed that Donacien is going. I have rated him whenever I he seen him play.
I reckon Riley will be gone next week once the deal is finalized. There's been talk of a new technical director or something like that. He's in borrowed time.
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Break out the bunting, N'Zogbia is no longer our problem.
The epitome of our plight over the past five years. Good riddance!!
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Who has made the decision to release these players I wonder? You'd think the new management would want to take a look at some of them e.g Kinsella and Donacien before sanctioning their release?
kinsella was never going to be good enough, never got near our shittest team in god knows how many years and ended up on loan at luton and kiddy
same as the goalkeeper whos name i cant spell
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Yes, if the history of our post O'Neill fall is ever written, a good title would be The N'Zogbia Years.
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T'ra a bit Charlie. You useless, egotistical, sponging dog turd.
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For the worst five year stretch in our recent history, Charles can say "I was there".
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I regard him as walking proof of the need to incorporate psychological evaluation in the fitness tests of incoming players. Every muscle, bone, ligament, sinew and corpuscle of them is examined in the most minute detail but nobody ever thinks to assess their brain.
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To be fair there was plenty of evidence in N'Zogbia's case he had an appalling attitude. Irrational optimism inevitably kicks in with new players (and managers and owners come to think of it) and you think maybe it will be different for us.
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I'm sure more players will be out the door soon.
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I regard him as walking proof of the need to incorporate psychological evaluation in the fitness tests of incoming players. Every muscle, bone, ligament, sinew and corpuscle of them is examined in the most minute detail but nobody ever thinks to assess their brain.
Excellent idea, Brian. In the five years he robbed a living at Villa Park and I never saw him smile once.
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Yes, if the history of our post O'Neill fall is ever written, a good title would be The N'Zogbia Years.
Charles: TSM Vanity.
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Great, that's 2 of the despicable 7 gone!! Now just Richards, Guzman, lescott, gabby and bacuna to go.
Nzgobia is the biggest waste of space and oxygen ever! The fact Richardson ever became a professional footballer is beyond belief. They can both f-ck off and drain some other club of their resources.
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Great, that's 2 of the despicable 7 gone!! Now just Richards, Guzman, lescott, gabby and bacuna to go.
Nzgobia is the biggest waste of space and oxygen ever! The fact Richardson ever became a professional footballer is beyond belief. They can both f-ck off and drain some other club of their resources.
and played and scored for england !!!
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No hatred towards Richardson and if some of our more talented wasters applied themselves like him we wouldn't have got relegated. Not good enough himself, but hardly deserves to be lumped in with the other wankpuffins at the club.
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Great, that's 2 of the despicable 7 gone!! Now just Richards, Guzman, lescott, gabby and bacuna to go.
Nzgobia is the biggest waste of space and oxygen ever! The fact Richardson ever became a professional footballer is beyond belief. They can both f-ck off and drain some other club of their resources.
The others are sat on fat contracts. Somebody will fall for Micah's glorious past.
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No hatred towards Richardson and if some of our more talented wasters applied themselves like him we wouldn't have got relegated. Not good enough himself, but hardly deserves to be lumped in with the other wankpuffins at the club.
I was going to post something similar. He was a decent enough player earlier in his career but way past it now.
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Good luck to the seven released players who always tried their best for Villa.
God fucking riddance to that ****** Charles N'Zogbia.
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No hatred towards Richardson and if some of our more talented wasters applied themselves like him we wouldn't have got relegated. Not good enough himself, but hardly deserves to be lumped in with the other wankpuffins at the club.
This is fair. He has been solid pro just wasn't good enough in the long run.
Its a shame it seems to be a lot of the younger talent who may or may not have decent futures rather than certain others who should take a big part of the blame for us being in this mess. Charlie was a no brainer of course in more than one way...
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No hatred towards Richardson and if some of our more talented wasters applied themselves like him we wouldn't have got relegated. Not good enough himself, but hardly deserves to be lumped in with the other wankpuffins at the club.
I was going to post something similar. He was a decent enough player earlier in his career but way past it now.
In hindsight, I'd say his peak was when he kept the stripeyfilth up. And that was 11 years ago. No ill will, but emblematic of the merely shirt-filling signings I hope we don't see again.
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The H&V thread headline I'm waiting for is:-
'4 Players Eliminated'
Aston Villa have eliminated Richards, Agbonlahor, Lescott and Baccuna.
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I regard him as walking proof of the need to incorporate psychological evaluation in the fitness tests of incoming players. Every muscle, bone, ligament, sinew and corpuscle of them is examined in the most minute detail but nobody ever thinks to assess their brain.
Excellent idea, Brian. In the five years he robbed a living at Villa Park and I never saw him smile once.
To be fair, we never saw him on pay day.
The ******.
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The H&V thread headline I'm waiting for is:-
'5 Players Eliminated'
Aston Villa have eliminated Richards, Agbonlahor, Guzan,
Lescott and Baccuna.
Edited!!!
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CNZ not worth wasting a comment on.
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CNZ not worth wasting a comment on.
Says the person commenting on him.
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I remember reading an interview with CNZ in The Guardian just after we signed him, in which he talked about his tough upbringing and how football saved him from a life of criminality and hardship. It painted a picture of a humble guy who was grateful for his gifts and determined to seize his big opportunity. What happened there then?
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Generally agree with the comments on Richardson. Ultimately not being good enough is not deserving of the same level of vitriol as not giving a shit. Unfortunately, though, both are synonymous of the players we've had to endure for too long.
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If he didn't intentionally miss that chance in one of the last home matches, I can plait sawdust.
For me, he's as much as a wanker as the usual suspects
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I regard him as walking proof of the need to incorporate psychological evaluation in the fitness tests of incoming players. Every muscle, bone, ligament, sinew and corpuscle of them is examined in the most minute detail but nobody ever thinks to assess their brain.
This. Psychological, as well as general intelligence assessment should be standard practice. The amount of thick-as-whale-spunk players - and, to be fair, owners - we've had at Villa Park in recent years would win all of Britain's Village Idiot contests for the next thousand years.
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For the worst five year stretch in our recent history, Charles can say "I was there".
He can say that, but he wasn't even really 'there' was he? The fancy panted, twat hatted oxygen burglar.
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Tongue in cheek,the only thing i ever saw Richardson do of note at Villa Park,was score that cracking goal for Fulham which i am sure was probably the major factor along with him being a free transfer that tempted Lambert to sigh him
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Tongue in cheek,the only thing i ever saw Richardson do of note at Villa Park,was score that cracking goal for Fulham which i am sure was probably the major factor along with him being a free transfer that tempted Lambert to sigh him
The header off the line in the cup semi final will be my highlight of Richardson's time at Villa
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I regard him as walking proof of the need to incorporate psychological evaluation in the fitness tests of incoming players. Every muscle, bone, ligament, sinew and corpuscle of them is examined in the most minute detail but nobody ever thinks to assess their brain.
This. Psychological, as well as general intelligence assessment should be standard practice. The amount of thick-as-whale-spunk players - and, to be fair, owners - we've had at Villa Park in recent years would win all of Britain's Village Idiot contests for the next thousand years.
I don't think we needed a full psychological assessment to discover he's a mardy arse. We could've asked Sigmund Kinnear. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/4535870/Newcastle-manager-Joe-Kinnear-says-Charles-NZogbia-lived-in-fantasy-world.html)
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Wankpuffins - a fantastic frase. Well done Concrete Jon.
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Tongue in cheek,the only thing i ever saw Richardson do of note at Villa Park,was score that cracking goal for Fulham which i am sure was probably the major factor along with him being a free transfer that tempted Lambert to sigh him
He came on and changed the game if I remember rightly. I thought at the time, I wouldn't mind signing him in a free...
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I remember reading an interview with CNZ in The Guardian just after we signed him, in which he talked about his tough upbringing and how football saved him from a life of criminality and hardship. It painted a picture of a humble guy who was grateful for his gifts and determined to seize his big opportunity. What happened there then?
He discovered cuntery.
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Tongue in cheek,the only thing i ever saw Richardson do of note at Villa Park,was score that cracking goal for Fulham which i am sure was probably the major factor along with him being a free transfer that tempted Lambert to sigh him
He came on and changed the game if I remember rightly. I thought at the time, I wouldn't mind signing him in a free...
Absolutely right chaps. He was a game-changer that day and looked much better than anything we had to offer.
Sadly that game was his best at VP, including all the games he actually "played" for us.
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I regard him as walking proof of the need to incorporate psychological evaluation in the fitness tests of incoming players. Every muscle, bone, ligament, sinew and corpuscle of them is examined in the most minute detail but nobody ever thinks to assess their brain.
This. Psychological, as well as general intelligence assessment should be standard practice. The amount of thick-as-whale-spunk players - and, to be fair, owners - we've had at Villa Park in recent years would win all of Britain's Village Idiot contests for the next thousand years.
I don't think we needed a full psychological assessment to discover he's a mardy arse. We could've asked Sigmund Kinnear. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/4535870/Newcastle-manager-Joe-Kinnear-says-Charles-NZogbia-lived-in-fantasy-world.html)
“And each time he came in, he made it clear he did not want to be at the club so in the end, there was only one thing I could do – send him to Wigan!”
Great line that
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I remember reading an interview with CNZ in The Guardian just after we signed him, in which he talked about his tough upbringing and how football saved him from a life of criminality and hardship. It painted a picture of a humble guy who was grateful for his gifts and determined to seize his big opportunity. What happened there then?
Somebody summed it up earlier, he's a c**t
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Who has made the decision to release these players I wonder? You'd think the new management would want to take a look at some of them e.g Kinsella and Donacien before sanctioning their release?
kinsella was never going to be good enough, never got near our shittest team in god knows how many years and ended up on loan at luton and kiddy
same as the goalkeeper whos name i cant spell
LK was quite good at tweeting though
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I'd release the whole first team squad. To pack of starving hyenas.
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I regard him as walking proof of the need to incorporate psychological evaluation in the fitness tests of incoming players. Every muscle, bone, ligament, sinew and corpuscle of them is examined in the most minute detail but nobody ever thinks to assess their brain.
I agree in principle, but can you imagine How hard it would be finding anyone with the skill set and patience to psychologically assess the average footballer, let alone one robust enough to do it on a regular basis. Think Blackadder teaching Baldrick to count and Father Ted explaining the mysteries of Christianity to Dougal.
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Agree Mike but at least there should be some sort of subtle probing of the mental make up of somebody whose transfer and wages will cost tens of millions of pounds. Perhaps something along the lines of inviting a prospective player out for a meal or a walk around a golf course. Chat and draw him out. Explore any potential for disfunctional behaviour - drinking, drug taking, womanising, woman abusing, violence, gambling, racism, homophobia - done by the right person at least some sort of mental bill of health could be deduced. At the moment there seems to be nothing. Fifty million wasted on a narcissistic idler? Oh dear, who'd have thought it?
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Some clubs employ a sports psychologist, probably not a bad idea but for me, the signing of CNZ and his subsequent 'performance' is symptomatic of how Villa have been run during his time at the club and a lack of management grip in being able to motivate him. Yes, motivation should come from within but the club's shit management is equally to blame.
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Very much agree Newby. The N'Zogbia story could be enshrined in a document advising football clubs how not to approach the engagement of players. We got every aspect of buying him wrong. McLeish wanted him at Small Heath but did not offer Whelan enough money. Once we were bankrolling McLeish he went back and threw money at Wigan and the player. Because McLeish was Lerner's petsonal choice as manager (having got a letter from Ferguson) the proposed expenditure on N'Zogbia was agreed without demur. N'Zogbia failed to deliver anything like value for money but instead of reading the signs of his malingering and shifting him for whatever we could get, we allowed him to become a big fat leech for the entire duration of his contract. An absolute classic example of how not to buy and sell players.
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Agree Mike but at least there should be some sort of subtle probing of the mental make up of somebody whose transfer and wages will cost tens of millions of pounds. Perhaps something along the lines of inviting a prospective player out for a meal or a walk around a golf course. Chat and draw him out. Explore any potential for disfunctional behaviour - drinking, drug taking, womanising, woman abusing, violence, gambling, racism, homophobia - done by the right person at least some sort of mental bill of health could be deduced. At the moment there seems to be nothing. Fifty million wasted on a narcissistic idler? Oh dear, who'd have thought it?
I usually agree with you Brian, but think you are over simplifying the difficulty of vetting a players suitability.
Just think of all the flawed former players who might have failed such a test - McGrath, Merson, Yorke etc might never have pulled on a Villa shirt if we insisted on a base level of morals, intelligence and lifestyle. Yet it probably wouldn't have flagged NZogbia as a potential waste of space.
Agree there should be some form of psychological appraisal, but more so we can identify how the club can support and nurture the player, not so we can moralise at them.
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Plus, the problem with this approach is that we're turning players down on what they may do in the future not what they are in the present. It's all very minority report and also quite elitist, not to say Aryan, to say that we'd only buy those of proven sanity of mind solely judged by our criteria of what is and isn't acceptable. Terrible idea in practice although I fully understand the actual point you're making Brian.
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Feel a bit sorry for Richardson when you think the likes of Lescott, Bacuna, Richards, Sinclair and Guzan are still earning a crust on the back of their own less than acceptable performances and outbursts.
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I've been reading Moneyball again for about the sixth time now, and when the Oakland A's were drafting players, the guy's 'make-up' was a massive consideration. As well as being scouted and having his stats analysed, the people making the decisions about who to bring in to the ball club have a fairly good idea of what the player's like as a person (character, drink/drug habits, etc.) If there's a problem there, he's out. And this is just when they're drafting amateurs into the farm/youth system.
Now, you'd assume that a football club planning to spend millions in transfer fees, signing on fees, agent fees, wages, bonuses, etc would at least do a fair amount of due diligence on player they want to bring in, his 'make up', or 'what's he like?' being prominent. N'Zogbia's performances for Newcastle, when he similarly could not be bothered really should have been flagged up, but were overlooked, probably because he'd gone back to Wigan and done well again ("He's a more mature player now," is what I imagine McCleish thinking to convince himself.)
One other thing about Moneyball is its highlighting of the really dumb decisions made by dumb General managers (the guys who make the trades) to do some really incredibly dumb deals for their baseball club. During Randy Lerner's reign, Aston Villa were dumber than most.
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The H&V thread headline I'm waiting for is:-
'4 Players Eliminated'
Aston Villa have eliminated Richards, Agbonlahor, Lescott and Baccuna.
That's the new bomb squad right there.
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To be fair there was plenty of evidence in N'Zogbia's case he had an appalling attitude. Irrational optimism inevitably kicks in with new players (and managers and owners come to think of it) and you think maybe it will be different for us.
For what it's worth, nzog was apparently model pro at bodymoor. Always in early and hard working I've been told. No idea why he was always so lazy on the pitch
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Isn't Robinson out of contract this summer?
As for Rico, his legs went years ago. Was only ever an average player. He did try he just couldn't run for more than 45 minutes and had no pace left whatsoever. That being said he did have a cracking game against Liverpool in the semi to be fair to him.
Zogbia can just fuck right off. He'll end up getting paid too much somewhere overseas where he can get away with coasting.
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Bye Charles. If there is one last thing I would say to you it would be for fuck's sake try looking up sometimes.
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Isn't Robinson out of contract this summer?
According to the retained/released list, he's been offered a new contract.
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Isn't Robinson out of contract this summer?
According to the retained/released list, he's been offered a new contract.
He is worth another year. Looked very promising especially when he went out on loan the first time at Preston. Has regressed since but has enough in his locker to be a success in the future.
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Robinson will be another Stefan/Luke Moore,delfouneso for me. Pace and potential but ultimately just not good enough, see also agbonlahor Gabriel although he is the exception as he has been on the gravy train for years whilst producing the sum of fook all.
Be nice if I'm wrong though,
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Isn't Robinson out of contract this summer?
According to the retained/released list, he's been offered a new contract.
Who is making these decisions?
No chance Robinson making it except at a lower level.
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Isn't Robinson out of contract this summer?
According to the retained/released list, he's been offered a new contract.
Who is making these decisions?
No chance Robinson making it except at a lower level.
We are at a lower level!
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Isn't Robinson out of contract this summer?
According to the retained/released list, he's been offered a new contract.
Who is making these decisions?
No chance Robinson making it except at a lower level.
We are at a lower level!
He's not really done it on loan, but I'd like to give him another shot. Hopefully Di Matteo could get the best out of him. Hes had games under his belt, so with that in mind it may make him a little readier to step in than Rush-Ian-Audrey-Hepburn-Eddie-Murphy, Sellars and Green.
If we've extended his deal there's no point loaning him out again. Either bring him into the squad, or we sell him in the next 12 months.
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Thought you might like to hear this story.
A mate of mine -Baggies fan- knows someone who installs upgrades for folks's broadband. Apparently, he visits a lot of Prem players' houses as part of his job. According to the guy, most of the players are quite polite and welcoming. Only one was unfriendly to him, so much so that he had a woman in the house whose job was to talk to any menials doing work in his household, so he could safely ignore them.
Small clue to his identity; until yesterday we were paying him over £60,000 a week for bugger all.
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I remember reading an interview with CNZ in The Guardian just after we signed him, in which he talked about his tough upbringing and how football saved him from a life of criminality and hardship. It painted a picture of a humble guy who was grateful for his gifts and determined to seize his big opportunity. What happened there then?
He's just someone who enjoys the bling trappings of being a premier league footballer like Gabby. Us giving him a 5 year deal on massive money probably played a part in motivation levels aswell.
Football is just a job for him, not a passion otherwise he wouldn't have gone out on cup final night for example.
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Good riddance, it's amazing to think that N'Zogbia has 80 appearances for us - the only one I can actually remember is a 1-1 away at Blackburn under McLeish where he scored our goal.