Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Steve R on June 03, 2016, 03:13:44 AM
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It seems a bit of a shame to see Jack go without at least giving him a proper thread of his own. He just seems to be slipping out of the back door without anyone really paying much attention to his leaving.
All the best for the future Jack, wherever it lies.
Given that we will not feature much on the dark streams next season, I'll be tuning in to AVTV whoever will be commentating.
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He was bloody terrible. As much as you never want to see anyone lose their job I won't miss his shit corny lines. For a club of our size we should have someone better than him.
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You can't release Jack into society. How will he cope?
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Sounds to me as if AVTV will be no more next season.
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Hopefully, AVTV will be replaced by something much more professional and reliable. Jack was pretty poor but I don't like the thought of him losing his job. I hope he finds something suitable, quickly and is happy doing it. Good luck Jack.
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Avtv was shite
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Good luck Jack.
Your interview with Mr 110% still burns bright in the memory 😄
What's the most important thing about a successful team Ron?
.................................................Shape..............................
Shape Ron?
.................................Yes, shape................
You get the jist. Excruciating! To be fair Saunders could probably do that to people of a much higher calibre than our Jack, but it was almost painful to watch.
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It's never nice to see anyone lose their job. I don't have AVTV so only saw him on the free bits on the official site and can see how he would grate on your nerves. Still, the best of luck to him in the future.
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Seemed like a nice bloke but I only spoke to him a couple of times.
However, as a commentator ......... ::)
Best wishes J-Dub
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Avtv was shite
I think I have watched it twice but it was always a faff trying to get onto it and then there was Jack...
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Jack's corny commentaries were pretty awful but wonderfully biased!
I give him a bit of credit for that!
All the best Jack!
UTV!
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Chatted to him on the way back from Dublin a few years back, a really nice chap who genuinely seemed to like us as a club.
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Safe to say he's not the slickest broadcaster who has walked the Earth - at the same time never short on entertainment. All the best Jack.
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I'm in a minority, I know, but I thought Jack was OK. Wonderfully biased which is what I want. And I like him.
Thanks, Jack.
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All the best Jack. Seemed a genuinely nice bloke who knew he had landed a cushy gig.
Does anyone know if this part of the cost cutting measures, or more of a new broom/change of direction?
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His punditry and poesy always sent a shiver down my spine, just before I smashed the speakers.
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I thought most on here had re-named him 'Woodwank', to be fair I only saw bits of him but he certainly wasn't as irritating as some well known football presenters/commentators etc. It just sounds like he was not very good at what he did, a sort of Westwood/Clark/Hutton if you like.
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Never like to see anyone lose their job, he was however cringe worthy in the extreme. He'd make an ideal compare at Butlins or on a shitty cruise ship
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Will behonest I have no idea who he is, but judging by some of the comments that might make me the lucky one.. ;)
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I always got the feeling that a lot of what he did was extremely tongue in cheek. He'll be missed.
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That video of Jack in the bath singing some of the players names with his villa rubber duck will live with me for ever.
So bad it was good.
Good luck Jack
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Not a fan of commentaries at all but he will still be a big miss.
It wasn't like he just rocked up at 2pm on Saturdays and did comms, he did all the reserve and youth team games. Also did all the community and Acorns interviews so quite a lot to replace I think.
Need to certainly get someone in, maybe Amelia will get a bigger role next season?
I don't really watch AVTV and certainly don't want to subscribe to it but what we certainly need a revamp of is our Youtube content.
Given we now have the China market to appeal to I think we'll see a lot of changes in that area over the next year. When you compare our Youtube offerings compared to even league one clubs, it is pretty poor offering in terms of behind the scenes and player interviews.
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Hopefully, AVTV will be replaced by something much more professional and reliable. Jack was pretty poor but I don't like the thought of him losing his job. I hope he finds something suitable, quickly and is happy doing it. Good luck Jack.
Pretty sure on weekends off he used to pop up on Talksport and also Soccer Saturday so he won't be short of those sort of gigs if he goes freelance.
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Which Wembley appearance was it when he read out the team sheet with added shit like 'the bald Eagle' Braaaaaad Guzzzaaan etc etc ?
The opposition fans must've been pissing themselves
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He reminds me a lot about one finnish presenter who is mostly disliked, both would suit to host childrens program lot more than sports.
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Which Wembley appearance was it when he read out the team sheet with added shit like 'the bald Eagle' Braaaaaad Guzzzaaan etc etc ?
The opposition fans must've been pissing themselves
Did he genuinely have a stutter as I could then understand why he always did the ccccc Ciaran Clark and Cuellar when he was here when reading the times.
Otherwise he sounded an idiot!
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Always came across as being more than a bit Alan Partridge to me, some of his commentary fitted perfectly into that funny/uncomfortable niche.
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I met him a few years ago when I ended up in the Trinity, I think it was McLeish's first game where we beat Blackburn 2-0. Just got chatting to him and he seemed like a really lovely guy, we should definitely have something a bit more professional as the mouthpiece of the club, mind.
I've heard him do other tid-bits of voice-over work for Football League coverage so I'm sure he'll find work.
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I was told that he would drive to away reserve games when he wasn't working, so that he could recognise the players better. That sort of professionalism and attention to detail makes me think he knew exactly what he was doing.
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I was told that he would drive to away reserve games when he wasn't working, so that he could recognise the players better. That sort of professionalism and attention to detail makes me think he knew exactly what he was doing.
No doubting the professionalism at all, just the delievery wasn't the best when he was commentating.
Tbf I don't have AVTV and haven't listened to his comms for quite a while now (maybe back to when the Villain was on Sky tv) but it wasn't great then. Worst was when they got rid of proper commentators and just had him doing the goal comms on the season reviews.
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Was/is he actually a Villa fan?
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You know when you hear someone's voice before ever seeing them and build up a mental image of how they look? Jack was one of the very, very few people who looked exactly like he sounded.
Anyway, he may not have been the best broadcaster, but seemed like a decent person so I can do nothing but wish him the best.
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My outstanding memory of him will always be the annual Villa memorial service which Jane & I attended with Mike Jeffries following the sad & sudden passing of Mike's dad.
For some reason someone allowed Jack to think it was a good idea for hm to sing 'Unforgettable'.
He was lucky that most of his audience were too sad about their recent bereavements to find it as funny as it actually was.
Good Luck Jack - you seemed a nice bloke & I will.miss your mid-commentary golf analogies.
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Good luck to him.
Always remember one of his lines after one of (I think) Hendries goals - ''it's a curler, it's a twirler, it's an absolute pearler''
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Was/is he actually a Villa fan?
Sheff Weds.
Was amazed doing a bit of research that Jack's been a club employee for 15 years (joined in 2001) so would've certainly developed affection for the club when you serve it for so long.
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Good luck to him.
Always remember one of his lines after one of (I think) Hendries goals - ''it's a curler, it's a twirler, it's an absolute pearler''
That's a classic, and really sums him up. I grew to quite like his coverage in a sort of masochistic way. One thing is for sure its the end of an era and AVTV will never be the same again! I wish him all the best and thanks for all the memories!
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Good luck to him.
Always remember one of his lines after one of (I think) Hendries goals - ''it's a curler, it's a twirler, it's an absolute pearler''
That's a classic, and really sums him up. I grew to quite like his coverage in a sort of masochistic way. One thing is for sure its the end of an era and AVTV will never be the same again! I wish him all the best and thanks for all the memories!
Ha! I remember that quote of his. Pure Woodward. Good luck to him, wherever he ends up.
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I met him a couple of times and seemed a very nice bloke. his commentary wasn't the best but it was rarely boring. I'm sure during a pre-season game shown live on AVTV a few years ago he started talking about his hotel bathroom and/or having a bath. All the best Jack.
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People saying he was shit should probably reflect that being the voice of AVTV is hardly going to attract your Martin Tylers.
What are they replacing AVTV with?
Is it by any chance "nothing"?
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Used to enjoy the match preview clips with Froggie. Hope he gets something - he seems a geniune likeable Partridge type. Good luck and thanks Jack!
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My outstanding memory of him will always be the annual Villa memorial service which Jane & I attended with Mike Jeffries following the sad & sudden passing of Mike's dad.
For some reason someone allowed Jack to think it was a good idea for hm to sing 'Unforgettable'.
He was lucky that most of his audience were too sad about their recent bereavements to find it as funny as it actually was.
Good Luck Jack - you seemed a nice bloke & I will.miss your mid-commentary golf analogies.
Ha Ha! Very good.
'But I don't want to talk to you, I want to talk to him over there!'
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Seems a nice bloke but his commentary when I heard it was abysmal to say the least. I gave up a few years ago cos of him
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Seems a nice bloke but his commentary when I heard it was abysmal to say the least. I gave up a few years ago cos of him
And his interviews were utterly cringeworthy. I'm sure he's a lovely fella and I have no doubt about his dedication but he just wasn't very good as the voice of a PL football club.
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Good luck to him, I don't want to see anyone lose their job*
*'Hateful Eight' aside.
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I quite liked Woodward, because I like puns, and things that are so awful they go right round the scale and become brilliant again. And he does seem like a good bloke, hard worker etc.
But that said, his interviews were unforgivably bad. I know you'll never get hard hitting journalism on the OS (and that he was interviewing people not exactly renowned for their eloquence) but he didn't even ask questions half the time, he'd make a statement and then stick the mic out for an agreement off whoever he was talking to.
Good luck to him, but I think we can do better.
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Never once heard him which seems like a blessing from reactions. Good luck to him.
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Agree with some of the comments about him but. As others have said, a good guy who did work hard. He covered lots of stuff for the Villa and was dealing also with AVTV that to say was run on a shoestring was polite.
He will be missed by me as he made me laugh and cringe in equal measure and as I also suspect the alternative is nothing...
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How on earth can Villa let this man go with quality like this
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How on earth can Villa let this man go with quality like this
I clearly missed out.
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I was certainly not his greatest fan but sad he has lost his job Best of luck Jack whatever you do next
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I think he should present the new series of Monkey Tennis
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TSM2 gave him a proper verbal bullying at one of the start of season forums. Really out-of-order sort of stuff too, well beyond normal p*ss-taking. Sums TSM2 up really.
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Was/is he actually a Villa fan?
Sheff Weds.
Was amazed doing a bit of research that Jack's been a club employee for 15 years (joined in 2001) so would've certainly developed affection for the club when you serve it for so long.
Thanks Soccer HQ. I had a sneaky feelin' that he may not have been. Good to know my Villa-dar is firing on all cylinders (the other good news after a quick consultation is that my Villa-dar 100% confirms that David Cameron is definitely not a Villa fan - but we always knew that didn't we?).
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If he is not a Villa fan, then his greatest legacy for me was that he made me truly believe he was. A lot of his commontry was cringeworthy though wasn't it?
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Yes, for the affection for the Villa that shone through in his lameness, the fact that he didn't even support us reflects well on him. I remember him singing a Christmas carol, eyes closed, dramatic vocals, in front of some of the squad one year, might have been an Acorns event. I hope the players were fond of him, Gabby would often struggle to keep a straight face during his interviews with Jack, which was interesting as on TV his serious, cliche-ridden ones are far less entertaining.
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Harmless, nice guy, not the best but we will miss him.
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He was ugly and annoying with an awful commentary voice. Farewell
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What have looks got to do with it Adonis?
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Quite a lot when your the face of AVTV :-*
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Best of luck in the future Jack. Thanks for all your hard work.
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My outstanding memory of him will always be the annual Villa memorial service which Jane & I attended with Mike Jeffries following the sad & sudden passing of Mike's dad.
For some reason someone allowed Jack to think it was a good idea for hm to sing 'Unforgettable'.
He was lucky that most of his audience were too sad about their recent bereavements to find it as funny as it actually was.
I have tears in my eyes just remembering that! I seem to remember he sang another song which I had to leave the room for....
Best of luck Jack.
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Built up a connection with jack after meeting him a few times at vp. Was a really helpful and generous bloke. Invited my daughter and I into press box couple of times sitting with him and Tony Morley once then pat heard. Great experience seeing all the press live at work during a game, thanks jack great memories , all the best
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Guess who's back.....
Looks like we've re-appointed him to be main commentator/presenter for our online content this season given he's doing the game today.
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Hahaha...I was going to ask on here the other day after watching the highlights of the Minnesota game on AVTV. The commentator's voice seemed familiar - and as soon as Lansbury's goal made him quip "Henri hoovers up the chance to score" I thought "Christ, it can't be..." but then in the comments section on YouTube someone referred to the commentator under a different name.
Did we release Jack when we got relegated? He must be demanding the type of money only PL status can afford!
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He still doesn’t stop to take a breath
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At least he's actually commentating on what's actually going on, on the pitch, instead of ruminating about what he's having for dinner later! That's his usual standard.
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At least a couple of times, the daft bastard has asked a question, realised he doesn't have a co-commentator, then answered himself.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
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It’s murder listening to him. The biggest consolation is that we won’t have to listen to him much this season being back in the PL.
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At least a couple of times, the daft bastard has asked a question, realised he doesn't have a co-commentator, then answered himself.
;D oh Jack.
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Jack the legend....”it’s a puler it’s a curler, it’s gone in the top corner “
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I like him
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I thought he was ok too. I'd sooner listen to him than cunting Motson or fucking Pearce.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
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I saw the thread and thought he had died.
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He didn’t die. A little piece of me did though as I listened to his drivel.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
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I'll be honest I really like him, he makes me laugh with his silly puns. He is like a younger version of Tony Blackburn. Fair play if we are re-employing him.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.
However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
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Jack for me is synonymous with the past decade of Lerner horror. As lovely a fella as he might be, I just can't listen to him without major football-related ptsd kicking in. Please Villa, bring in fresh blood for the new era.
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At one point during the first half he stated that Villa have not conceded yet in pre-season, which unless I’m mistaken that’s just over 100 minutes of footy!
He’s ok though, he reminds me of an 80’s social club DJ.
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He’s like the awkward bloke who never talked as a kid then was given an inspirational chat by a careers teacher to find himself. He gets involved in the school radio station and the rest is history. He’s making up for years of silence with utter mindless drivel.
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I remember an end of season award ceremony when TSM2’s banter on stage overstepped the mark and sounded more like bullying. I felt sorry for Jack, but he is still like alan partridge.
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Don’t think he’s on staff as he’s gone freelance judging by his Twatter feed.
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Who thinks the club are right to have Woodward commentating?
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He is so like Alan Partridge
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.
However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead.
"The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!
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Who thinks the club are right to have Woodward commentating?
I do /does
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Who thinks the club are right to have Woodward commentating?
He is horrible and makes my ears bleed. Nooooo
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Great Guy, love him ;)
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Re-examine your earbuds, Edvard.
Jack W is cool.
Flin5Tone is simpatico.
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I don't mind him and it's not as if we have to listen to him all time. I spoke to him on the way back from Dublin a few years back, he was a lovely chap.
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I think that most of you are being a bit harsh on Jack.
I don't think we will hear as much of him as in pre-relegation days if that's any consolation.
I wonder if he has been waiting by the phone waiting for a call from Villa since that glorious day at Wembley in May!
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He is ok, problem is that he does a radio commentary over tv pictures. Nowhere near as bad as some, not as good as others.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.
However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
Ermmm... yes you can, because that's correct.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.
However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead.
"The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!
Only if the members/components of the team/club/collective entity are operating as individuals. There's a good explanation here: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/collective-nouns.html
In the given example, "The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer", the club members are not operating as individuals in any express sense, so the noun takes the singular form of the verb, i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer."
CC cdbullyweefan...
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"Bolton Wanderers is about to make its tenth signing of the summer."
"Blackburn Rovers is playing today."
That sounds right to you?
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"Bolton Wanderers is about to make its tenth signing of the summer."
"Blackburn Rovers is playing today."
That sounds right to you?
I think it's:
Bolton Wanderers are playing today.
Bolton Wanderers Football Club is playing today.
Apologies to all who are bored to death.
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Oh boy. We really need a Pedants Corner thread.
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Pedant's Corner
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Oh boy. We really need a Pedants' Corner thread.
Corrected.
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Pedant's Corner
Tsk. Only one pedant?
A teacher, too.
*Shakes head in disappointment.
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"Bolton Wanderers is about to make its tenth signing of the summer."
"Blackburn Rovers is playing today."
That sounds right to you?
I think it's:
Bolton Wanderers are playing today.
Bolton Wanderers Football Club is playing today.
Apologies to all who are bored to death.
I would say Bolton Wanderers are playing today.
The phrase Bolton Wanderers football club is playing today sounds like a line from a Pathe News report.
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"Bolton Wanderers is about to make its tenth signing of the summer."
"Blackburn Rovers is playing today."
That sounds right to you?
I think it's:
Bolton Wanderers are playing today.
Bolton Wanderers Football Club is playing today.
Apologies to all who are bored to death.
Bolton Wanderers Football Club are playing today. Much better.
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I think it's:
Wulverampton Wunderers am playing today.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.
However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead.
"The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!
Only if the members/components of the team/club/collective entity are operating as individuals. There's a good explanation here: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/collective-nouns.html
In the given example, "The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer", the club members are not operating as individuals in any express sense, so the noun takes the singular form of the verb, i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer."
CC cdbullyweefan...
ATAL 1. you are quoting an American English site to comment upon British usage. 2. You are trying to force prescriptive grammar down our throats when there is no need. We can say "the club 'are'" irrespective of whether the members are 'acting as individuals' or not. Either you consider the noun as a singular unit or a group, then you conjugate accordingly. It's up to you. Really.
*Starts chant "We do what we want, we do what we waaaaant, we're British English, we do what we want."
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I think it's:
Wulverampton Wunderers am playing today.
We'm googling to check.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.
However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead.
"The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!
Only if the members/components of the team/club/collective entity are operating as individuals. There's a good explanation here: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/collective-nouns.html
In the given example, "The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer", the club members are not operating as individuals in any express sense, so the noun takes the singular form of the verb, i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer."
CC cdbullyweefan...
ATAL 1. you are quoting an American English site to comment upon British usage. 2. You are trying to force prescriptive grammar down our throats when there is no need. We can say "the club 'are'" irrespective of whether the members are 'acting as individuals' or not. Either you consider the noun as a singular unit or a group, then you conjugate accordingly. It's up to you. Really.
*Starts chant "We do what we want, we do what we waaaaant, we're British English, we do what we want."
Apropos something totally different - how come Hyperbole is "Hyperb-ole" while it isn't "Hyperb-olic" - double standards clearly?
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If you're talking about pronunciation, "hyperbole" should be said as if it has four syllables. "Hy-per-bol-e".
Otherwise I'm confused as to what you are asking.
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At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
Villa are a "we", not an "it".
This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.
However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead.
"The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!
Only if the members/components of the team/club/collective entity are operating as individuals. There's a good explanation here: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/collective-nouns.html
In the given example, "The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer", the club members are not operating as individuals in any express sense, so the noun takes the singular form of the verb, i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer."
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ATAL 1. you are quoting an American English site to comment upon British usage. 2. You are trying to force prescriptive grammar down our throats when there is no need. We can say "the club 'are'" irrespective of whether the members are 'acting as individuals' or not. Either you consider the noun as a singular unit or a group, then you conjugate accordingly. It's up to you. Really.
*Starts chant "We do what we want, we do what we waaaaant, we're British English, we do what we want."
Apropos something totally different - how come Hyperbole is "Hyperb-ole" while it isn't "Hyperb-olic" - double standards clearly?
Basically, the English language is made difficult like that to make foreigners work hard to get it right ;-)
Mind you, at least we weren't as sadistic as, say, the Finnish with theirs.
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If you're talking about pronunciation, "hyperbole" should be said as if it has four syllables. "Hy-per-bol-e".
Otherwise I'm confused as to what you are asking.
I know that hyperbole is pronounced like that - just don't understand why, when hyperbolic isn't, which is the same word (more or less)
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Basically, a word ending with the suffix -ic is always stressed on the syllable that precedes -ic : realistic; wanktastic ; electronic; intracytoplasmic, hyperbolic, and so on.
The word 'hyperbole' contains the prefix 'hyper' which normally has a secondary stress on its first syllable, as in 'hypersonic' but, according to the Oxford Guide to English Morphology, when hyper is attached to a neoclassical form which attracts stress to the syllable which immediately precedes it, then it is the second syllable of hyper that is stressed : hyperbole, hyperbola, hypertrophy etc.
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Neat explanation BE. In fact, wankTAStic!
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If you're talking about pronunciation, "hyperbole" should be said as if it has four syllables. "Hy-per-bol-e".
Otherwise I'm confused as to what you are asking.
This is why you have education systems with 'English teachers'. ;-)
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If you're talking about pronunciation, "hyperbole" should be said as if it has four syllables. "Hy-per-bol-e".
Otherwise I'm confused as to what you are asking.
This is why you have education systems with 'English teachers'. ;-)
So - what is the difference between I and me?
*joking
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BG8Ro-ZEAG0
Smooth operator 😎
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I know he's hardly Mr Slick, but there's something about Jack Woodward that's just so Villa.
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I know he's hardly Mr Slick, but there's something about Jack Woodward that's just so Villa.
Agreed, it's hard not to like him. Fun & positive. He could make a 6-0 defeat sound good
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When Ron Vlaar (yes, I know) signed, I took Mini Rodders - now of this parish, I'm delighted to say - to VP to get his shirt signed. Jack pounced on us and interviewed us for AVTV.
He (Jack) was warm, kind, gentle and enormously encouraging of Felix' then nascent love for the Villa, being a supporter himself made him all the more credible in his role.
He may well be a slightly rubbish commentator, but he's *our* slightly rubbish commentator and I'll forgive him pretty much anything for being incredibly nice to my son when he didn't have to be. I'll even laugh at some of his shit puns, because it takes a nerd to know a nerd.
I'd love to see that video again; a different era altogether for the club and for me.
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Woodward supports Staff Weds.
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I know he's hardly Mr Slick, but there's something about Jack Woodward that's just so Villa.
Agreed, it's hard not to like him. Fun & positive. He could make a 6-0 defeat sound good
There was a stage when he had to make heavy defeats sound good.
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Apologies if I've sad this before, but when Jack first got the job here he used to travel to away reserve matches in his own time and at his own expense, to find out more about the players. You can't knock that sort of attention to detail.
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A lot of folk lost their jobs three years ago, getting him back in is as Aston Villa as it gets.
Even in the clip Grealish's cheery welcome back is loaded, as he knows Woodward only left in the first place because we were relegated. We're back and so is he, I'm happy with that.
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A lot of folk lost their jobs three years ago, getting him back in is as Aston Villa as it gets.
Even in the clip Grealish's cheery welcome back is loaded, as he knows Woodward only left in the first place because we were relegated. We're back and so is he, I'm happy with that.
It wasn't all about relegation. Someone who works there said that the cuts weren't because of relegation, they were because they should have been made three years earlier. It seems they employed people from 2010 onwards ready for a massive expansion in all areas that never happened.
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Three years is a long time to let things drift on. I suppose that's what happens when you're owned by one individual there's always that risk of them becoming an absentee landlord.
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I took a six month NCTJ journalism course with Jack in 1998-99 at Norton College in Sheffield. Wednesday fan iirc. Had the ridiculous football commentator voice in real life even at that point. Haven't ever spotted the name of any other budding journalist who was on that course in print, although I would have forgotten most of them by now. I never worked as a journalist. Did spot the entrance to the college in the last This is England series though.
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Jack Woodward has the air of an 9 year old Villa fan in a man’s body. There is something about him that appeals to our inner child I think.
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He’s part of AVFC like we all are , glad he’s back
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He posted this yesterday:
Hello. Just a quick post to to confirm that I'll be commentating on Villa's Premier League return this season for the club's official AVTV live radio channel ( starting with Spurs game tomorrow! ) and interviewing/presenting for the TV service. Looking forward to it!
I will still be freelance and also working for a number of different companies who I've enjoyed broadcasting with over the past few years, particularly covering the EFL and hosting events. Thanks! JW