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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on May 26, 2016, 07:13:54 AM
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Happy Rotterdam Day everybody!
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Oi! I already started this in Villa Memories!
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Such a momentous occasion deserves a wider audience...
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And to you too.
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Happy Rotterdam Day All.
Also my wedding anniversary (and Ian B formally of this parish too I seem to remember).
I've been making my 6 year-old watch the Peter Withe moment so he starts to get a feeling of who we really are and not what we've become.
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At this time I was probably just thinking about getting out of bed at the Astoria Hotel on Martelaarsgracht after a night on the town in Amsterdam. The next time I saw that bed was when it was light the next morning!
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I only ever really remember that Ansells beer advert saying 'Congratulations Villa' after the game. That's always stuck in my head for some reason.
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My wife has still not worked out how I never forget our wedding anniversary!😂
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It was my first trip out of the country. It was good.
Can we also have a 'Happy Rotherham day' this season?
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Oh it must be. And it is.
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"What's happening? ...........Nooooo......Rimmers going off!........Spinks is coming on........we're f**ked....."
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I only ever really remember that Ansells beer advert saying 'Congratulations Villa' after the game. That's always stuck in my head for some reason.
And mine, the old guy pats the dog and says "They've done it!" and then goes off down the pub.
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I still get a shiver down my spine every time I watch this, just as the ball goes across the box towards Withe.
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Happy Rotterdam day everyone.
Can't wait for the WM and Mail specials.
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I was only 12 so didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. I also just assumed Villa always won trophies, I soon learned!
I remember that advert as well, we taped the game and whenever I re-watched it I always watched the advert as well. I also remember Clough constantly referring to Villa as "us" and "we". We go on about bias by commentators now, they have nothing on Cloughie that night.
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I was only 12 so didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. I also just assumed Villa always won trophies, I soon learned!
I remember that advert as well, we taped the game and whenever I re-watched it I always watched the advert as well. I also remember Clough constantly referring to Villa as "us" and "we". We go on about bias by commentators now, they have nothing on Cloughie that night.
He also said 'We've done 'em' a fraction of a second before the final whistle goes.
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I was only 12 so didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. I also just assumed Villa always won trophies, I soon learned!
I remember that advert as well, we taped the game and whenever I re-watched it I always watched the advert as well. I also remember Clough constantly referring to Villa as "us" and "we". We go on about bias by commentators now, they have nothing on Cloughie that night.
And he called Bayern 'the Germans' throughout
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A carpet of white flowers have bloomed in my garden this morning, a week after my neighbours. I need to find some claret and blue ones to compliment them for this time next year.
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I often think of the poor Villa fan , a few rows down from us at the game, who'd had a few and slept through the whole second half! About this time of day (mid morning) we were part of a massive ,and growing, snaking convoy of coaches, cars and mini buses chugging it's way across Europe's northern seaboard under a burning sun.
I always remember the various French, Belgium and Dutch communities en route waving union flags or holding up Villa supporting signs as we trundled though.
A very special day.
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I was only 12 so didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. I also just assumed Villa always won trophies, I soon learned!
I was 10 and had exactly the same experience. A tough lesson but I'm sure it's done us good. Sort of.
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An unforgettable 36 hours or so, one thing I remember as we left my friend's house, as we made our way to New Street to catch the train at midnight was praying there would be no power cuts to upset the video recorder.
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taken for HEITS thread:
One of my favourite moments of watching the Villa with my Dad was when Peter Withe shinned in the winner in that game in 82, We were watching the game in a our local pub here in Cambridge where the local populous are generally either London supporters, Manure and Liverpool.
We took plenty of stick off the packed pub as they were all rooting for Bayern,
When THAT goal went in my Dad and me were jumping around hugging each other and flicking the V's like maniacs at the rest of the pub.
He then says in a very thick loud brummie voice......""have that you cockanee cnuts""
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13237606_10209114176113451_9027129673465496983_n.jpg?oh=ad66c42a62d5319cc2f1fa6c17e42a99&oe=57E77C25)
Happy Rotterdam day everyone.
UTV
The Doc
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Following day we stopped off in London and went to the FA Cup final replay. After getting tickets from QPR we called into the Springbok for a pint, place went quiet as we were at the bar and thought we were going to have to leg it but a couple of QPR supporters insisted on buying our drinks and invited us to join them. They then offered us a lift to Wembley, thankfully we lost them at the ground as it became clear they really didn't like Spurs supporters, glad they liked Villa though!
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I was only 12 so didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. I also just assumed Villa always won trophies, I soon learned!
I was 10 and had exactly the same experience. A tough lesson but I'm sure it's done us good. Sort of.
i would've been 8 and I remember it like it was yesterday, lying on the carpet watching it on our black and white (yes really- they got a colour one the next year I think) telly. Gutted when Rimmer went off and was anxious as fuck after we scored and 'the Germans' were pounding us. Quality side too Bayern- rumenigge with his overhead kick, I thought we were done, breitner and the rest of them. The thing that really pissed me off then and still does now, is that we had to wear all white (it was a very good le coq kit though) and the fact that our players all swapped shirts after the match, so it's like we were Liverpool or something. I think only Mortimer kept his shit together and his Villa shirt on. Was brilliant to watch but would've been even better in claret and blue, or dark grey and light grey, as I would've seen it!
So yes, happy Rotterdam day everyone. I have a European cup mug at work (pic of the team in front of the holte withe cup) which I used today and didn't even think of the date.
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taken for HEITS thread:
One of my favourite moments of watching the Villa with my Dad was when Peter Withe shinned in the winner in that game in 82, We were watching the game in a our local pub here in Cambridge where the local populous are generally either London supporters, Manure and Liverpool.
We took plenty of stick off the packed pub as they were all rooting for Bayern,
When THAT goal went in my Dad and me were jumping around hugging each other and flicking the V's like maniacs at the rest of the pub.
He then says in a very thick loud brummie voice......""have that you cockanee cnuts""
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13237606_10209114176113451_9027129673465496983_n.jpg?oh=ad66c42a62d5319cc2f1fa6c17e42a99&oe=57E77C25)
Happy Rotterdam day everyone.
UTV
The Doc
classy badge- I bought one the same as the claret and blue reversed one that you show on the front of the European cup the last time we were in the 2nd division- still wear it with pride in the odd occasion I need to wear a boozing jacket here in Qld.
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I was only 12 so didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. I also just assumed Villa always won trophies, I soon learned!
I was 10 and had exactly the same experience. A tough lesson but I'm sure it's done us good. Sort of.
i would've been 8 and I remember it like it was yesterday, lying on the carpet watching it on our black and white (yes really- they got a colour one the next year I think) telly. Gutted when Rimmer went off and was anxious as fuck after we scored and 'the Germans' were pounding us. Quality side too Bayern- rumenigge with his overhead kick, I thought we were done, breitner and the rest of them. The thing that really pissed me off then and still does now, is that we had to wear all white (it was a very good le coq kit though) and the fact that our players all swapped shirts after the match, so it's like we were Liverpool or something. I think only Mortimer kept his shit together and his Villa shirt on. Was brilliant to watch but would've been even better in claret and blue, or dark grey and light grey, as I would've seen it!
So yes, happy Rotterdam day everyone. I have a European cup mug at work (pic of the team in front of the holte withe cup) which I used today and didn't even think of the date.
It was just unfortunate that Bayern won the toss to play in their first choice colours. That all white kit has become part of Villa folklore though and my top is still proudly hanging up - although I've not been able to get into it for years - needed to buy a retro one many years ago although - does anyone else agree - the quality's nothing like it is on the original ?
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Was only 10 at the time and watched it with my Dad on the telly up here in Manchester
Still remember him saying to me when Jimmy Rimmer went off injured early doors that "it was a matter of when rather than if Bayern scored now son" - presumably him trying to manage my naïve expectations around the Villa's chances of actually winning the European Cup minus our number one keeper.
When we scored I randomly remember running out of the living room and into the front room where my Mum was having a brew and a chat with her friend and telling her that Peter Withe had scored! "Is that good?" was her somewhat bemused reply...
I was so late going to bed that night I even managed to catch the first few minutes of The Omen which was showing on ITV - it felt late but was probably only about ten o'clock!
It's funny how I can barely remember what I had for breakfast these days but can still remember large parts of that evening so clearly. A fantastic night and one all of us should cherish - especially after such a desperate season as the one we have just had.
As is traditional now I will be replaying my Champions of Europe DVD once more this evening and raising a glass or two
Up the Villa!
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Was only 10 at the time and watched it with my Dad on the telly up here in Manchester
Still remember him saying to me when Jimmy Rimmer went off injured early doors that "it was a matter of when rather than if Bayern scored now son" - presumably him trying to manage my naïve expectations around the Villa's chances of actually winning the European Cup minus our number one keeper.
When we scored I randomly remember running out of the living room and into the front room where my Mum was having a brew and a chat with her friend and telling her that Peter Withe had scored! "Is that good?" was her somewhat bemused reply...
I was so late going to bed that night I even managed to catch the first few minutes of The Omen which was showing on ITV - it felt late but was probably only about ten o'clock!
It's funny how I can barely remember what I had for breakfast these days but can still remember large parts of that evening so clearly. A fantastic night and one all of us should cherish - especially after such a desperate season as the one we have just had.
As is traditional now I will be replaying my Champions of Europe DVD once more this evening and raising a glass or two
Up the Villa!
So true, I can't remember whether I've closed a window or locked the conservatory door 5 minutes after doing it these days, but remember virtually every minute of that unforgettable day. I'm 58 now and enormously proud of being a 1957 baby - hence I was 24 on 26-5-1982 - a superb age to be on this day of all days - old enough to appreciate the enormity of the occasion but young enough to still be obsessively talking about it 34 years on.
I've mentioned on here several times that 26th May was also my mum's birthday - and it's mainly because of my family on my mum's side that I support Villa ) although growing up in Great Barr was no doubt a factor too. - RIP Mum (love you forever xx).
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I was only 12 so didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. I also just assumed Villa always won trophies, I soon learned!
I was 10 and had exactly the same experience. A tough lesson but I'm sure it's done us good. Sort of.
i would've been 8 and I remember it like it was yesterday, lying on the carpet watching it on our black and white (yes really- they got a colour one the next year I think) telly. Gutted when Rimmer went off and was anxious as fuck after we scored and 'the Germans' were pounding us. Quality side too Bayern- rumenigge with his overhead kick, I thought we were done, breitner and the rest of them. The thing that really pissed me off then and still does now, is that we had to wear all white (it was a very good le coq kit though) and the fact that our players all swapped shirts after the match, so it's like we were Liverpool or something. I think only Mortimer kept his shit together and his Villa shirt on. Was brilliant to watch but would've been even better in claret and blue, or dark grey and light grey, as I would've seen it!
So yes, happy Rotterdam day everyone. I have a European cup mug at work (pic of the team in front of the holte withe cup) which I used today and didn't even think of the date.
I was 11 and like PWS and McGrathMcgrath5, I just assumed we were always challenging for trophies.
Similar sorts of emotions to robbo watching the game. I think I watched most of the last 10 minutes hiding behind the sofa.
Oh and I watched it with Tesco supporting grandfather who could never find a good word to say about us. At the final whistle he managed to say "well done" without choking and went to bed.
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Bitter sweet for me
As told a few times before.
Tickets for me and the old man - check
Coach tickets from Drakes Drum - check
2 days before we set off
House burgled and the lot gone
watched it on neighbours tv
Worst / best day of my life :'(
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Threatened with dismissal if i went off sick over those two days - had to watch it on TV while my mates were there - having not missed a game all season - Marvellous.
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That's terrible Hookey - I'm really sorry to have read that. Mixed emotions or what ??
At the time I thought it would be the first of many - I'm not saying I expected us to do a Real Madrid and win it 5 consecutive times, but if someone had told me back in 1982/83 that I'd still be waiting for us to even to be in it again, I wouldn't have believed them.
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Great to read memories of the day.
I was only seven, and this night in 82 is my second ever Villa memory – after watching a compilation of goals at the end of the 81 season (I have a recollection of a Peter Withe lob against Forest, which I would love to have confirmed from someone who remembers it).
Watched the game with my Dad, who was sitting in his favourite armchair. I can still remember turning from the telly to Dad when the goal went in, and wondering just where Dad had disappeared to. Seconds later he came back into land, arms aloft and roaring in delight.
Dad's joined the Holte Enders in the sky since then, but I treasure this Villa moment above all others. If only I'd have known back then that we didn't do this every year.
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Threatened with dismissal if i went off sick over those two days - had to watch it on TV while my mates were there - having not missed a game all season - Marvellous.
I remember something like that as well. I'd booked two days holiday (the Thursday as well as the match day as we were going by train and coach) immediately after the Anderlecht 2nd leg and was told a week or so prior to the game something like "there's a new company policy that states an employee can not take individual day(s) as holiday, only complete weeks. As the Whitsun Bank Holiday was the week after, (for which we had the Monday and the Tuesday), I also booked that week as well and said "there I have 3 days off this week which leaves 2 spare days (which I'd like for the 26th & 27th May). After firstly admitting I'd got a point - somebody later came back with - "you can only take the remaining day(s) AFTER you've taken a Bank Holiday week."
I thought "stuff it" I'll get an employment solicitor on the case AFTER the game if I need to - I am NOT missing this !!"
I never heard anything more about it, and seeing as the company closed a year or so later and paid all its workers off, so I think I've got away with it !!
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I was only a month old, at least I was alive though, much to my younger brother's chargrin...
I had a top from that game when I was about 6, the kids at school ripped the piss out of me for having an old shirt, not a shiny new Mita one. When my dad told me what it meant to stop me crying about it I went back into school the next day, chest puffed out, and proudly stated (as instructed!) that this was the greatest shirt the Villa had ever worn. Still got it, and an older, fatter version that I can actually wear.
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I know it was 34 years ago but isn't it great we can have this discussion thread, meanwhile Arsenal supporters are celebrating however many years they've managed to qualify for the 'Champions' League.
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My only 2 nephews (both of whom I adore dearly) and are flying the family flag in the Holte End Upper were born in February 1980 and October 1982 respectively.
On a recent family get together, they were engaging in their usual banter with each other and whilst the oldest was saying "I was alive on 26-5-1982" - albeit 2 years old ! The youngest was saying to me and their dad - "1980 or 1982 - which was the best year for Villa. As my brother is 3 years older than me, I thought I'd settle the argument by saying "I was born in 1957 and nobody here can get near that !"
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I know it was 34 years ago but isn't it great we can have this discussion thread, meanwhile Arsenal supporters are celebrating however many years they've managed to qualify for the 'Champions' League.
Nice one Chris !
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I was just sitting in the barbers, reading my phone while I waited for my haircut. I noticed, not to my surprise, that BBC Sport's moronic "Sportsday" thread was banging on about this being the anniversary of That Night In Barcelona and also Arsenal's last minute title win in 1989. Not a bloody mention of the really important anniversary. So I texted in to remind the work experience kids who run the site and less than five minutes later there it was, a whole paragraph commemorating the triumph with a video of the greatest goal ever scored. Better late than never I suppose.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/that-1980s-sports-blog/2016/may/26/aston-villa-european-cup-relegated-1982
In the words of Bill Oddie (or Shakin' Stevens)...lovely stuff.
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I was in my first year at university in Sheffield and had an oral exam the afternoon of the final. Failure to sit any of the exams meant automatic resit for the whole year.
My GP next to the university was a big Sheffield United fan so I concocted an appointment and asked him what he thought I should do. He pointed out that Professor X, head of the department, was an Arsenal fan and may be sympathetic to my cause. I had a chat, he agreed to switch my exam to 9am on the Friday morning (he originally wanted the Thursday morning but I had to explain I was on a coach trip that wouldn't return to Birmingham till 9am after which I had to head to Sheffield). No cheap flights for students in those days.
I went on the official coaches from Villa Park, and a mate form the Isle of Man came along with me. We had a great old time in the Rotterdam sun, despite warnings of "locals tooling up to have a go" and were part of the mass of fans down on that big green park outside the Double Diamond. An enterprising supermarket was selling half crates and crates of beer cheaply so I had more to drink than I ever had done for a Villa game - just as well given how nervous I was. You all know the match story but the moment that goal went in nourished me for years. And even the late disallowed equaliser didn't panic me as I had seen the linesman's flag go up early.
My only negative was not being with my mates who were on a 3-4 day trip as we had been for Anderlecht. In those days there was no way of communicating while away. We were on the bus less than an hour after the final whistle and a sobering overnight journey back to Brum, as the hangover slowly kicked in. Then Sheffield, and then my exam. I wore my Villa badge in the oral and spent most of the time talking about the final as the examiner was a big footie fan. Perfect!
I was back down that evening on the train to watch the trophy being paraded too.
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Don't keep us in suspense, how did the exam go?
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Happy Rotterdam Day best day of my life VTID
Renewed my season ticket today same date every year
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/that-1980s-sports-blog/2016/may/26/aston-villa-european-cup-relegated-1982
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Remember going into a bar by the ground that was doing a promotion...7 beers for the price of 5....bit of a weird promotion I thought but we decided to take full advantage of it all the same.
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Don't keep us in suspense, how did the exam go?
Who cares, we won 1-0!
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Don't keep us in suspense, how did the exam go?
Who cares, we won 1-0!
Did you retake it?
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I've posted my memories about this greatest of matches on here a few times so won't bore you all again but, when we scored it was a culmination of all my years following the Villa from when my old man first started taking me. My only thoughts immediately after scoring were for him as I pointed my souvenier flag at the sky and yelled, "Daaaaaaaaad! He'd died in 1978.
Another lasting memory was seeing all the people that stood near where we did down the Witton End as we were exiting the stadium and them recognising us and also the smiles on their faces. Also a lad who was a player in one of the leagues that I officiated in and him beaming at me and shouting "How're ya ref?" Lovely.
Happy Rotterdam Day all.
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Just watched the game again. What stands out is the number of fouls by Bayern players which went unpunished yet Villa players were pulled up consistently for innocuous looking tackles which often appeared to win the ball.
It was good to watch a Villa side winning a game.
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Don't keep us in suspense, how did the exam go?
Who cares, we won 1-0!
Did you retake it?
I managed to sneak through first time Chris so had a summer fuelled high of Rotterdam thoughts. Genuinely, I could conjure up the goal one bus, train etc, even in the short window between signing on the dole and going back to work with my dad.