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Title: Championship Players
Post by: Leicester_Villian on May 16, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: old man villa fan on May 16, 2016, 05:14:11 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

I am sorry but you cannot play Clark and Baker in the same side.  Neither of them can play right side of defence.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Dave on May 16, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

Why would we want to get rid of all the "foreigners"?

PS Gestede is a "foreigner " as well.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2016, 05:16:51 PM
Amavi will be one of the definite leavers imo
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Ron Manager on May 16, 2016, 05:20:41 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

Amavi... and you could say Clark  could be considered "a foreigner" .
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: PGW on May 16, 2016, 05:23:22 PM
Amavi will be one of the definite leavers imo
Can't see anyone taking a punt on Amavi until he has proved himself again...it was a very bad injury that he suffered. We'll get one more season at least out of
him in my opinion.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Leicester_Villian on May 16, 2016, 05:30:08 PM
In my view Clark & Baker would be fine at Championship level ....... Toner also but don't know enough about him yet

The foreigners are the obvious ones plus some fat garbage at the club

I can't see anyone taking Amavi until January when he proves fitness and form

My overall point is with 3-4 players we have a team that would easily compete ....... just look at Small Heath ...they were not a million miles from the play offs and even we beat them lol
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 16, 2016, 05:31:08 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

What is it with Hutton. He is fockin SHIT
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: aj2k77 on May 16, 2016, 05:43:28 PM
9 players with a losing mentality, no leaders, no pace, 1 horrendously injury prone player and an untried kid.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 16, 2016, 06:52:41 PM
In my view Clark & Baker would be fine at Championship level ....... Toner also but don't know enough about him yet

The foreigners are the obvious ones plus some fat garbage at the club

I can't see anyone taking Amavi until January when he proves fitness and form

My overall point is with 3-4 players we have a team that would easily compete ....... just look at Small Heath ...they were not a million miles from the play offs and even we beat them lol

the lulus were 11 points off the play offs and 27 off automatic, so in reality they were miles off
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: class-of-82 on May 16, 2016, 07:03:46 PM
After watching the burnley - qpr last game of the season I thought to myself if that is the standard required to get automatic promotion then we have a superb chance to come back up
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: brontebilly on May 16, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

That side would be closer to the bottom of the second tier next term than top

Bunn - pub player, second choice at the absolute best and I'd prefer to give Steer a chance as back up
Both full backs are hopeless, one is afraid of his shadow and the other has no footballing ability
Two left sided centre halves
Physically weak and slow centre  midfielders
No pace up top
Amavi and Gestede wouldn't pass the EDL foreigner test
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2016, 07:22:21 PM
Getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one


The foreigners are the obvious ones

Hiya Donald! Didn't know you were a Villa fan?
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Steve67 on May 16, 2016, 07:52:33 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

That side would struggle to win league 2.  Reaching the top six doesn't get promotion either, unless you're lucky in the play offs.  We need a solid spine, we don't have one currently.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2016, 07:59:08 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

Those 'foreigners' make up our most talented players for the most part, so getting rid of them would be fucking mental.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Ian. on May 16, 2016, 08:01:05 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager
Thats a very sorry line up. I would think we'd struggle to survive, let alone get promoted with that team.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2016, 08:03:10 PM
9 players with a losing mentality, no leaders, no pace, 1 horrendously injury prone player and an untried kid.

Yep that team would be battling relegation or at best mid table with no challenge for play offs.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: myf on May 16, 2016, 09:17:16 PM
I think that the standard of players is very different to what we are used to and this may shock people but I believe without any signings we have the players to finish top 8 ....... obviously we need more strength but I would throw the following team to be shot down ......

Bunn
Hutton Clark Baker Bennett
Green Gardner Westwood Amarvi
Grealish Gestede

Thats getting rid of all the foreigners bar the one and playing him further forward

I guess the point is we don't need a vast spend to reach top six just the right players and manager

What is it with Hutton. He is fockin SHIT


I totally agree mate. People seem to think he puts a shift in but I never see it. Loads if errors as well. Think he's got the prem record now for consecutive games without a win. Something like 30
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2016, 09:31:11 PM
I like Hutton. He's okay, not brilliant, defensively and dangerous going forward.

If we were a much better team, he'd be a squad player at best. We're not though. He's one of our better players and there are far higher priorities than replacing him.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 16, 2016, 09:36:10 PM
I like Hutton. He's okay, not brilliant, defensively and dangerous going forward.

If we were a much better team, he'd be a squad player at best. We're not though. He's one of our better players and there are far higher priorities than replacing him.
sorrybi disagree and file under, flatters to deceive.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: john2710 on May 16, 2016, 09:38:22 PM
Hutton, for all his effort going forward, delivers next to nothing.

Defensively, whilst not alone, he's a total liability.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: old man villa fan on May 16, 2016, 11:07:36 PM
I like Hutton. He's okay, not brilliant, defensively and dangerous going forward.

If we were a much better team, he'd be a squad player at best. We're not though. He's one of our better players and there are far higher priorities than replacing him.

The only danger he causes is to our own defence as he saunters back.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: tomd2103 on May 16, 2016, 11:52:38 PM
Jeez, a back four of Hutton, Baker, Clark and Bennett, with Bunn in goal?  There would be a weekly competition to see who could make the biggest defensive howler.  I could just about stomach Clark with the right players around him, but the rest of them - not good enough and never will be. 
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2016, 01:43:00 AM
Bennett will be ok to be back up. Hutton will probably play as will Clark. Need a right footed centre half and leader. And a bloody keeper!
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: pooligan on May 17, 2016, 03:49:10 AM
Would not be surprised to see Jed Steer as our keeper next season.He is our player and has been on loan at Huddersfield so has Championship experience
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 17, 2016, 03:56:01 AM
How about we keep "the foreigners" and ditch the home nations dross instead?





Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Villafirst on May 17, 2016, 05:48:19 AM
Another line up that overlooks Adama. I think you underestimate the Championship. A tough league where teams fight hard and don't give in. That line up will see us in League one. Most of them need to go as they have a losing mentality.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Lobsterboy on May 17, 2016, 09:48:13 AM
I think Bunn is a back up keeper at best even in that division.

The likes of Hutton, Clark, Westwood, Sinclair and Gestede will probably do okay at that level but it depends what your expectations are - Baker, Steer, Bennett and Gardner all played in the Championship this season but all were operating in the bottom half of the league or in Bennett's case not playing at all!

Grealish could be a big player for us next season and I think the likes of Gil and Traore are worth trying to hold on to.

Lyden, Toner, Green and Hepburn-Murphy will all be involved but are at this moment unproven

Apart from that we need to get rid of the rest (Gabby, Lescott, Richards, Sanchez, Guzan) and expect the rest will want to go (Ayew, Gana, Veretout, Amavi)

In short  there is a lot of work to do if we want to come straight back up!
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2016, 09:56:13 AM
We need some experience in there. Players that have played at that level before, and know how to get out of it.
Players like Newcastle had when they last went down. Barton, Kevin Nolan, Wayne Routledge, Alan Smith, Guthrie.
Not world beaters, but just know-how and a bit of leadership.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: levico on May 17, 2016, 09:57:44 AM
I go further. There's a lot of work to do just to survive in the Championsip.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2016, 09:57:57 AM
How about we keep "the foreigners" and ditch the home nations dross instead?






Ditch the Villa fans. Richards, Agbonlahor, Lescott & Grealish.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
I don't think the players who we think are championship quality are actually that good.
How can you improve a players concentration and ability not to keep making fuck-ups, regardless of the division it'll keep happening.
All of a sudden Baker won't stop making mistakes and being reckless.
We've just got to hope that the opposition strikers aren't as clinical in the lower league.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2016, 10:06:57 AM
Would not be surprised to see Jed Steer as our keeper next season.He is our player and has been on loan at Huddersfield so has Championship experience

My Huddersfield mates have been unenthusiastic, they say he's 'done ok'.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 17, 2016, 10:14:15 AM
Would not be surprised to see Jed Steer as our keeper next season.He is our player and has been on loan at Huddersfield so has Championship experience

My Huddersfield mates have been unenthusiastic, they he's 'done ok'.

'Done ok' sounds bloody brilliant after this season.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 17, 2016, 11:08:20 AM
Hutton, for all his effort going forward, delivers next to nothing.

Defensively, whilst not alone, he's a total liability.

and is very slow at getting back when we lose the ball, he doesn't exactly bust a gut to get back
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Dave Pountney on May 17, 2016, 09:52:47 PM
Go get Joe Lolley from Huddersfield. Redditch born, lifelong Villa fan and very promising young player to boot. Tore it up with Kidderminster for half a season before they sold him to the Terriers for a deal potentially worth £1.5 million. Had some injuries in his first season, and Chris Powell had him warming the bench a lot of the time, but the new Huddersfield Manager gave him an extended run in the side this season and he prospered. The Terriers fans love him and call him their little Messi. Creates and can score a goal too. I know the Lolley family and Joe would walk over broken glass to come to the Villa. Still watches them from the Holte when he gets the odd chance.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2016, 10:47:48 PM
I'm not sure I want us to sign any more Villa fans!
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: The Left Side on May 17, 2016, 11:25:52 PM
I'm not sure I want us to sign any more Villa fans!

I wouldn't mind a few Ian Taylors though
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2016, 11:32:09 PM
We need some experience in there. Players that have played at that level before, and know how to get out of it.
Players like Newcastle had when they last went down. Barton, Kevin Nolan, Wayne Routledge, Alan Smith, Guthrie.
Not world beaters, but just know-how and a bit of leadership.

Yep.  The signing of Steve Sims when we were last in the second tier springs to mind.  A couple of players who can organise and be leaders. 
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: OCD on May 17, 2016, 11:50:45 PM
I'm not sure I want us to sign any more Villa fans!

I would just rather the team be filled with good players.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Dave on May 18, 2016, 09:36:52 AM
Go get Joe Lolley from Huddersfield. Redditch born, lifelong Villa fan and very promising young player to boot. Tore it up with Kidderminster for half a season before they sold him to the Terriers for a deal potentially worth £1.5 million. Had some injuries in his first season, and Chris Powell had him warming the bench a lot of the time, but the new Huddersfield Manager gave him an extended run in the side this season and he prospered. The Terriers fans love him and call him their little Messi. Creates and can score a goal too. I know the Lolley family and Joe would walk over broken glass to come to the Villa. Still watches them from the Holte when he gets the odd chance.

Over 20,000 posts on Villa message boards as well.

He truly is one of us...
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2016, 01:05:46 PM
Eh? Is he on here? Or am I missing the joke?
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: AVH87 on May 18, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
Eh? Is he on here? Or am I missing the joke?

Was a big poster on VillaTalk before turning pro IIRC.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: ktvillan on May 18, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
Hutton, for all his effort going forward, delivers next to nothing.

Defensively, whilst not alone, he's a total liability.

and is very slow at getting back when we lose the ball, he doesn't exactly bust a gut to get back

Yep, he never busts a gut to get back in position, just a gentle jog and then usually fails to pick up the man anyway.   Quite why Hutton gets exonerated by some because "at least he tries" is beyond me because he clearly doesn't, and he is technically abysmal too. 
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 18, 2016, 02:09:05 PM
Go get Joe Lolley from Huddersfield. Redditch born, lifelong Villa fan and very promising young player to boot. Tore it up with Kidderminster for half a season before they sold him to the Terriers for a deal potentially worth £1.5 million. Had some injuries in his first season, and Chris Powell had him warming the bench a lot of the time, but the new Huddersfield Manager gave him an extended run in the side this season and he prospered. The Terriers fans love him and call him their little Messi. Creates and can score a goal too. I know the Lolley family and Joe would walk over broken glass to come to the Villa. Still watches them from the Holte when he gets the odd chance.

Over 20,000 posts on Villa message boards as well.

He truly is one of us...

same agent as Vardy too, get them both while we are at it :-)
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 18, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
Go get Joe Lolley from Huddersfield. Redditch born, lifelong Villa fan and very promising young player to boot. Tore it up with Kidderminster for half a season before they sold him to the Terriers for a deal potentially worth £1.5 million. Had some injuries in his first season, and Chris Powell had him warming the bench a lot of the time, but the new Huddersfield Manager gave him an extended run in the side this season and he prospered. The Terriers fans love him and call him their little Messi. Creates and can score a goal too. I know the Lolley family and Joe would walk over broken glass to come to the Villa. Still watches them from the Holte when he gets the odd chance.

Over 20,000 posts on Villa message boards as well.

He truly is one of us...

Do they still hand out yellow and red cards over there? Maybe he's serving a really long suspension if he hasn't posted in a long time?
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: AVH87 on May 18, 2016, 03:15:42 PM
Go get Joe Lolley from Huddersfield. Redditch born, lifelong Villa fan and very promising young player to boot. Tore it up with Kidderminster for half a season before they sold him to the Terriers for a deal potentially worth £1.5 million. Had some injuries in his first season, and Chris Powell had him warming the bench a lot of the time, but the new Huddersfield Manager gave him an extended run in the side this season and he prospered. The Terriers fans love him and call him their little Messi. Creates and can score a goal too. I know the Lolley family and Joe would walk over broken glass to come to the Villa. Still watches them from the Holte when he gets the odd chance.

Over 20,000 posts on Villa message boards as well.

He truly is one of us...

Do they still hand out yellow and red cards over there? Maybe he's serving a really long suspension if he hasn't posted in a long time?

The admin on there is a nit-picking, miserable sod who throws warnings around for forgetting a capital letter or a full stop.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 18, 2016, 06:33:14 PM
Bad English is a bastard for that sort of thing....
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: RussellC on May 19, 2016, 12:26:45 PM
Bad English is a bastard for that sort of thing....

*Bastard.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
What about Steer? He's got plenty of championship experience

Everyone forgets him
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2016, 01:13:59 PM
Any decent players in France's league 2?
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: DaveD on May 20, 2016, 01:23:06 PM
Any decent players in France's league 2?

I'm sure we have our top man in Brisbane on it...
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
What about Steer? He's got plenty of championship experience

Everyone forgets him

Judging by the stats posted on here recently, a good deal of his championship experience involved picking the ball out of his net.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 20, 2016, 06:42:09 PM
665 times.....
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2016, 07:29:11 PM
What about Steer? He's got plenty of championship experience

Everyone forgets him

Judging by the stats posted on here recently, a good deal of his championship experience involved picking the ball out of his net.
Huddersfield fans things he's bobbins. They're desperate for a new stopper.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 20, 2016, 11:57:39 PM
Any decent players in France's league 2?

Some midfielder called Sylla was attracting some attention a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 21, 2016, 12:02:18 AM
Any decent players in France's league 2?

Some midfielder called Sylla was attracting some attention a couple of years ago.

And surprise surprise he was black!
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 21, 2016, 12:09:41 AM
Any decent players in France's league 2?

Some midfielder called Sylla was attracting some attention a couple of years ago.

And surprise surprise he was black!

Can you give the racism a rest, or even better, fuck off until you've grown enough brain cells to work out what acceptable behaviour is.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2016, 12:55:55 AM
Any decent players in France's league 2?

Some midfielder called Sylla was attracting some attention a couple of years ago.

And surprise surprise he was black!

you really are a totally useless poster on here. You've add nothing at all to any of the threads you've polluted. And agree with VID, fuck off with the racism. Or just fuck off.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: DaveD on May 21, 2016, 08:22:55 AM
Umm, benefit of the doubt, was that not just a really poor Cilla Black pun ?
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 21, 2016, 09:39:28 AM
Umm, benefit of the doubt, was that not just a really poor Cilla Black pun ?

Cheers DaveD glad someone's awake
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 21, 2016, 09:43:56 AM
Umm, benefit of the doubt, was that not just a really poor Cilla Black pun ?

Cheers DaveD glad someone's awake

Or maybe they thought it was unacceptable. Either way, one more and you're gone.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 21, 2016, 10:37:31 AM
Umm, benefit of the doubt, was that not just a really poor Cilla Black pun ?

In isolation maybe, but on the back of 4 or 5 other examples such as "I really didn't know chinky wasn't acceptable", and some pretty low views on mental health in the celeb death watch thread, excuse me for thinking the worst.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: joe_c on May 21, 2016, 10:42:31 AM
Anyone who had a brain wouldn't have gone there.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 21, 2016, 10:49:27 AM
Would dodge French players for the championship.  French footballers tend to be technical players where in the league we are falling into it is grit, a little bit of stud and the ability to mix it.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: joe_c on May 22, 2016, 12:28:59 AM
Would dodge French players for the championship.  French footballers tend to be technical players where in the league we are falling into it is grit, a little bit of stud and the ability to mix it.

All qualities that the likes of Agbonlahor, Lescott and Richards have in abundance.
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