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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Lucky Eddie on May 10, 2016, 09:18:33 PM
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Would you swap our relegated state if it meant leaving Villa Park forever to move to a new build ground with a running track?
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Not a fucking chance in hell.
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PS what a shit question. No offence, like.
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Nope, I'd rather stay at Villa Park with a new North Stand and Witton Lane stand in a rejuvenated Aston. We can all dream.
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Would you swap our relegated state if it meant leaving Villa Park forever to move to a new build ground with a running track?
There wont be a running track .......They are putting retractable seats over the top of it
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Would you swap our relegated state if it meant leaving Villa Park forever to move to a new build ground with a running track?
No. We had a running/cycling track. It wasn't a great success.
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Tax payer funded athletics bowl, shit
Porno barons, shit
Brady tart, shit
Upton Park and it's history, shit
Trophies, fuck all
Tevez and Mascherano scandal, shit
Kit copiers, shit
David Cameron, shit
yo yo club who's slag owners have slept/bribed their way in to riches thanks to their corrupt tory chums, shit
West ham, shit
They can keep it all, they're shit and I wouldn't swap even the current shambolic Villa with anyone else. It's only temporary, suck it up, it begins.
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Not a fucking chance in hell.
PS what a shit question. No offence, like.
I hate to agree with Mr Walnuts twice in one post but NO NO NO to a move and yes a crap question.
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No.
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It's a no from me
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I don't like as a tax payer I'm basically supporting west ham.
how has the porn baron pulled that one, and no ones saying diddly
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No chance. But if we build a brand new stadium for football within 1/2 miles then we should do it, but it is not necessary. Just build a bigger version of Holte End at North Stand location without corner from road cutting it off is better option.
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Wheres the poll :o ;) ?
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Non
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Nay Nay and thrice Nay! And it's an even bigger Nay if we take into account that shower that are in charge of them.
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Tax payer funded athletics bowl, shit
Porno barons, shit
Brady tart, shit
Upton Park and it's history, shit
Trophies, fuck all
Tevez and Mascherano scandal, shit
Kit copiers, shit
David Cameron, shit
yo yo club who's slag owners have slept/bribed their way in to riches thanks to their corrupt tory chums, shit
West ham, shit
They can keep it all, they're shit and I wouldn't swap even the current shambolic Villa with anyone else. It's only temporary, suck it up, it begins.
This post has probably made my week! Superb!!
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I'm still in denial about the move from Wellington Road so it's a no from me too!
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Would you swap our relegated state if it meant leaving Villa Park forever to move to a new build ground with a running track?
There wont be a running track .......They are putting retractable seats over the top of it
Still no.
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Slightly aside how have they managed to sell 52000 season tickets?
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Slightly aside how have they managed to sell 52000 season tickets?
Quite a lot of them are only £240 for an adults one
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Villa Park with it's million FA Cup Semi finals, iconic stands, those claret and blue bits at the front of the second tiers, The Holte End with it's irreplaceable, imposing style, Villa's home for over a hundred years versus some souless, dodgily-acquired bowl that only Bon Jovi will fill.
No, ta.
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Slightly aside how have they managed to sell 52000 season tickets?
Quite a lot of them are only £240 for an adults one
Now that's good. Why didn't we do that?
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No.
I wouldn't even swap kits with them.
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Would we have to have the porn berks in charge as well?
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Slightly aside how have they managed to sell 52000 season tickets?
Quite a lot of them are only £240 for an adults one
Now that's good. Why didn't we do that?
Because we dont have a very heavily subsidised new stadium and millions of pounds of TV money
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Villa Park with it's million FA Cup Semi finals, iconic stands, those claret and blue bits at the front of the second tiers, The Holte End with it's irreplaceable, imposing style, Villa's home for over a hundred years versus some souless, dodgily-acquired bowl that only Bon Jovi will fill.
No, ta.
I agree but it'd be nice if we started winning a few games there. Last 5 years it's been like a tourist attraction for away fans to enjoy a guaranteed 3 points
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West Ham can suck my big stinking arsehole. I have no more to add just now.
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I'd only swap places with West Ham if I was in hell.
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Would we have to have the porn berks in charge as well?
I'd have them over Lerner
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I'd take a few of their players but that's about it. Proper under achievers constantly as a football club. Once our takeover is complete, no way would I swap. They'll soon be moaning about their soulless stadium.
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Because we dont have a very heavily subsidised new stadium and millions of pounds of TV money
However 40k at 300 pounds is 12 Million whilst 20k at 500 is 10 Million and 40k will generate more income in related sales.
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Would we have to have the porn berks in charge as well?
I'd have them over Lerner
It's a bit of an 'electric chair or firing squad' choice though, is it not?
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I'd only swap places with West Ham if I was in hell.
Careful now we have been in footballing hell for six seasons.
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I'd like an extra 20,000 fans pulled out of a magic hat.
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PWS: Fixed the link for you.
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Would we have to have the porn berks in charge as well?
I'd have them over Lerner
I wouldn't. They got Small Heath into the top flight after years of trying and even in a position to put one or two over on us. But they left one almighty turd on the doorstep on the way out. They will do the same to West Ham, and would do to us.
It will be interesting to see where the proceeds from the disposal of Upton Park end up, and for all the Olympics Stadium is a colossal misuse of public funds, the move will leave West Ham with precious little by way of fixed assets.
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PWS: Fixed the link for you.
Thanks
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Slightly aside how have they managed to sell 52000 season tickets?
No idea but let's be real, they certainly aren't all going to be knowledgeable Hammers are they. An extra 15,000 whoppers in an Athletics bowl, can't imagine the atmosphere will be up to much there.
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I just actually said to my mate I despise west Ham but if we were leaving Villa park I'd be heart broken
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Once the novelty of the new place wares off, once they return to 30,000 and less rattling around in that stadium and once they decend to their normal mediocrity it would be interesting if this question was put to W Ham fans regardless of the league we happen to be in at the end of next season or the one after.
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Would we have to have the porn berks in charge as well?
I'd have them over Lerner
I wouldn't. They got Small Heath into the top flight after years of trying and even in a position to put one or two over on us. But they left one almighty turd on the doorstep on the way out. They will do the same to West Ham, and would do to us.
It will be interesting to see where the proceeds from the disposal of Upton Park end up, and for all the Olympics Stadium is a colossal misuse of public funds, the move will leave West Ham with precious little by way of fixed assets.
They took Blues as far as they could, invested in the squad and improved the ground but got fed up with the lack of support and got rid (to an unfit owner admittedly).
They've built a strong team at West ham and made sound managerial appointments. They've secured a very good deal for the new stadium and almost doubled their attendances.
They'll probably flog the club shortly but will be an attractive proposition in London for a wealthy owner. I'd be surprised if it's another yeung scenario.
They're precisely what Lerner isn't - shrewd.
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Would we have to have the porn berks in charge as well?
I'd have them over Lerner
I wouldn't. They got Small Heath into the top flight after years of trying and even in a position to put one or two over on us. But they left one almighty turd on the doorstep on the way out. They will do the same to West Ham, and would do to us.
It will be interesting to see where the proceeds from the disposal of Upton Park end up, and for all the Olympics Stadium is a colossal misuse of public funds, the move will leave West Ham with precious little by way of fixed assets.
They took Blues as far as they could, invested in the squad and improved the ground but got fed up with the lack of support and got rid (to an unfit owner admittedly).
They've built a strong team at West ham and made sound managerial appointments. They've secured a very good deal for the new stadium and almost doubled their attendances.
They'll probably flog the club shortly but will be an attractive proposition in London for a wealthy owner. I'd be surprised if it's another yeung scenario.
They're precisely what Lerner isn't - shrewd.
And bent.
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Would you swap our relegated state if it meant leaving Villa Park forever to move to a new build ground with a running track?
No. We had a running/cycling track. It wasn't a great success.
To be honest, we were more successful with the running track.
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No
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Move the club to London? No.
Paris? Perhaps.
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I wouldn't swap our history. If we had a new stadium (without a running track) with a 60,000 capacity which we actually looked likely to fill, we would get over Villa Park, just like Arsenal got over Highbury.
It would need to be somewhere sensible, preferably in Aston, not some out of town bowl like a bigger version of Stoke or Bolton.
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Would we have to have the porn berks in charge as well?
I'd have them over Lerner
I wouldn't. They got Small Heath into the top flight after years of trying and even in a position to put one or two over on us. But they left one almighty turd on the doorstep on the way out. They will do the same to West Ham, and would do to us.
It will be interesting to see where the proceeds from the disposal of Upton Park end up, and for all the Olympics Stadium is a colossal misuse of public funds, the move will leave West Ham with precious little by way of fixed assets.
They took Blues as far as they could, invested in the squad and improved the ground but got fed up with the lack of support and got rid (to an unfit owner admittedly).
They've built a strong team at West ham and made sound managerial appointments. They've secured a very good deal for the new stadium and almost doubled their attendances.
They'll probably flog the club shortly but will be an attractive proposition in London for a wealthy owner. I'd be surprised if it's another yeung scenario.
They're precisely what Lerner isn't - shrewd.
Small Heath had already sunk to the Championship under their stewardship, they had lost interest because the last chance to make a bit of a wedge out of the club - a council financed stadium - didn't materialise. Another opportunity arose elsewhere - West Ham - and they dropped the club like a brick and sold up to the first cowboy who could push a deal through.
You can call that shrewd in that they personally did well out of their dealings with Small Heath, but I would call it shady.
They did far more damage to Small Heath than Lerner has so far done to Villa, and there is no reason to believe that our next owner will be a money laundering hairdresser.
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Commonwealth Games anyone?
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Slightly aside how have they managed to sell 52000 season tickets?
No idea but let's be real, they certainly aren't all going to be knowledgeable Hammers are they. An extra 15,000 whoppers in an Athletics bowl, can't imagine the atmosphere will be up to much there.
One of my former neighbours moved from Shepherds Bush to Walthamstow in NE London, where a lot of Spurs, Arsenal and West Ham fans live. He was a West Ham season ticket holder for about 20 years until a year ago when he had to start taking his son to play games.
I asked him how they are selling so many tickets when in my lifetime they have rarely had a single gate over 40k and he reckons that in N E. And East London there are loads of lapsed fans who have been priced out of Upton Park for years - £700 upwards a season ticket, £50 minimum for a single match, and these people who haven't been for years joined the queue for next season, where you can get a season ticket for as little as £300. After a year's absence my mate hasn't got a season ticket and is back in the queue with those who didn't sign up a while ago.
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Yes. And I'd also change the strip to beige-and-puce, advertise Daesh on the shirts, resign Stephen Ireland (with his broken leg) and paint a massive BCFC badge on MacGregor's statue. All for the sake of maybe playing in the Europa League a few seasons before we will be anyway. Fuck them and the jumped up hipster c***s who they'll no doubt be attracting.
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I just actually said to my mate I despise west Ham but if we were leaving Villa park I'd be heart broken
Might be melodramatic, but I think that would be it for me in terms of going to games. For me, the place has never been the same since the old Holte End went, so a new ground entirely would be a move too far.
Not necessary anyway. All we need is the North Stand sorting with the corners filled in.
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Am I missing something, how is the whole thing not state aid?
In fact it is the very definition of it - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/state-aid
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
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I think that nasty trollope Brady openly being a Tory party spokeswoman probably has something to do with it. Corrupt to their bootstraps.
I used to have a soft spot for West Ham before those shysters got involved with them.
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
Wait, are you implying that.... Something a little bit naughty happened? Really? No, surely not... That can't be true. That never happens. In politics. Ever...
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Watching West Ham's performance and result last night remind me of Southampton's last gasp win in the final game at The Dell courtesy of a fitting bit of magic from Le Tissier against Arsenal. Can you imagine Villa's last game at Villa Park, a place with far more prestige and grace than those two grounds? We'd stink the place out with either a scoreless draw against someone shit and have to amuse ourselves with inflatable balls and dicks or else get hammered by a top team.
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Am I missing something, how is the whole thing not state aid?
In fact it is the very definition of it - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/state-aid
The EU did 4 Spanish clubs for similar a few years back (http://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/cases/summary.faces/en/54665/html.bookmark)
Will be interesting to see if someone on the continent complains if the WHU get into Europa League.
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With regards to the original question, no.
At some point, hopefully soon, we'll rise again on the back of sound ownership and the ignominy of the last few years will fade.
Be owned by that lot and the stain would be on the character of the club for ever.
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I wouldn't swap places with West Ham, but there was a nice film about them on the guardian website a few days back, bill Gardner reminiscing about the time west ham were in Europe and he necked 6 paracetamols and then set about smashing his hand with a lump hammer- told his boss he fell down the stairs at work and got 27 weeks full paid sick leave. Nuns from a church by the ground singing bubbles.
They're not the best west ham, but they're by no means the worst.
The golds Brady and Sullivan leave a nasty taste though and would be the main reason I wouldn't want to swap places. Fucking shysters who would have bought the club with the aim of getting their tax payer funded new stadium. ****** of the highest order
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Yes, I would.
Actually, no.
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Would you swap our relegated state if it meant leaving Villa Park forever to move to a new build ground with a running track?
Not a chance
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A purely hypothetical question, but if Villa were to leave VP for a new stadium, where would be a good place for it to be situated, assuming it moved from B6?
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That is a tough one. The "obvious" answer would be somewhere around the NEC.
The "flippant" answer is Tipton, ideally within very easy walking distance of my front door.
In an ideal world I would stay put but give Villa Park a spruce up. The Holte End is great and we are all spiritually attached to the place but I do think it is getting a bit left behind.
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The only thing currently shit about Villa is the team.
Let's not forget that.
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/Monty Python mode
And the owner
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Wouldn't leave Villa Park in a million years! As previously mentioned,knock down the North Stand & build a copy of the Holte End,do up the Witton Lane & we're good for another few years!
(Oh & build about another 10 pubs round the ground!)
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Would you swap our relegated state if it meant leaving Villa Park forever to move to a new build ground with a running track?
Not a chance
Never in a billion years. And then in a Billion years I'd say never in another Billion years.
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Wonder how many of those 52000 season tickets have been purchased by ticket brokers - at £240 a throw they'd only need to hawk them out to tourists 4 or 5 times a year to be in profit.
Gold & Sullivan given the Olympic legacy is still beyond belief to me
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If we were to move from Villa Park I'd only be happy if we were to move to the sight of Aston Park or Wellington Road.
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I always thought Slaven Bilic would do well in the premier league - but let's see how he does next year. We've seen one season wonders before.
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Tax payer funded athletics bowl, shit
Porno barons, shit
Brady tart, shit
Upton Park and it's history, shit
Trophies, fuck all
Tevez and Mascherano scandal, shit
Kit copiers, shit
David Cameron, shit
yo yo club who's slag owners have slept/bribed their way in to riches thanks to their corrupt tory chums, shit
West ham, shit
They can keep it all, they're shit and I wouldn't swap even the current shambolic Villa with anyone else. It's only temporary, suck it up, it begins.
This post has probably made my week! Superb!!
Ditto
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It's a complete no brainer whatever our current circumstances.
There's not a ground in the world anything like Villa Park and never has been. Yes, the North Stand end could do with a bit of modernising (a wrap around to join the Trinity Road and Doug Ellis to increase capacity maybe ?), but it's still a million times better than most grounds.
NEVER, NEVER, EVER in a billion years.
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Well in a billion years or so the sun will have probably gone into supernova so I think it would be unwise not to consider a move away by then.
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Well in a billion years or so the sun will have probably gone into supernova so I think it would be unwise not to consider a move away by then.
:)
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I wouldn't swap our history. If we had a new stadium (without a running track) with a 60,000 capacity which we actually looked likely to fill, we would get over Villa Park, just like Arsenal got over Highbury.
It would need to be somewhere sensible, preferably in Aston, not some out of town bowl like a bigger version of Stoke or Bolton.
I would hate to leave Villa Park. Even though it's not great anymore (Holte End an Trinity excepted). It's just the perfect setting for an iconic English stadium with masses of history and memories. If a new stadium was ever to be built we had the perfect spot. The Serpentine, what a name for a stadium that would have made! Too late now
As for Villa Park, when we finally do make the necessary improvements it has got to be a Holte Replica and a Trinity replica to to replace the North and Doug Ellis stands respectively. What an awesome stadium that would be. And a chance to undo the ruined sightlines that Doug Ellis so wantonly landed us with. The Holte/Ellis corner which is an abomination of architectural vandalism is a monument to Deadly Dougs penny pinching mentality.
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Without meaning to go off on a tangent, I wouldn't be too keen on mirroring The Holte End with The North. Yes it needs updating but I like that The Holte stands alone, to mirror it's style might cheapen it? If The North Stand were to be updated, I would hope it would just be built into a grand stand in it's own right, something that fits Villa Park's legacy but not The Holte End 2.
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Because we dont have a very heavily subsidised new stadium and millions of pounds of TV money
However 40k at 300 pounds is 12 Million whilst 20k at 500 is 10 Million and 40k will generate more income in related sales.
40k season ticket holders is a pipedream, even if the whole ground was £300 we'd have under 30k ST holders. There are STs on sale now in the North Stand Upper for £325, I bet they don't all sell before the start of the season.
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I've never liked the Holte as a double deck stand, the outside is magnificent but as ever with Ellis it was an opportunity missed to create a single tier piece of loveliness inside. The acoustics would be so much better as a single tier.
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Without meaning to go off on a tangent, I wouldn't be too keen on mirroring The Holte End with The North. Yes it needs updating but I like that The Holte stands alone, to mirror it's style might cheapen it? If The North Stand were to be updated, I would hope it would just be built into a grand stand in it's own right, something that fits Villa Park's legacy but not The Holte End 2.
I totally agree! I probably didn't word it the best. I meant to try & replicate the seating but yes,definitely give it it's own unique exterior!
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No, Nein, Nyet - we can get our Premier place back in one season - giving away a hundred years-plus of Architectural history is another matter entirely, West Ham can keep their "Olympic Stadium" for all i care.
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Well in a billion years or so the sun will have probably gone into supernova so I think it would be unwise not to consider a move away by then.
In a billion years, we'd still have another 4 billion of juice left in it.
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I wouldn't risk it.
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I love VP, although it's had precious little done on it in recent times. The North Stand has become a bit tatty and the Doug Ellis Stand isn't great, especially the way it was constructed.
Like others I would say never leave, but if we were to be in the Premiership, get a purpose built stadium nearby with all mod cons plus access, all at a daylight robbery price that enabled us to splash the cash, I suspect then some might be swayed.
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City got a pretty decent deal with the city of manchester stadium , funded by lottery and Manchester City Council which made them more desirable and were purchased by the Abu Dhabi guys ..Not a doubt in my mind that Gold etc are going to try and do the same
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
And the current Tory Prime Minister's favourite team, to boot.
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
I can understand how it happened, what surprises me (maybe it shouldn't) is how they are getting away with it. I still can't comprehend the Tevez-Mascherano clemency not provoking absolute absolute uproar either.
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
I can understand how it happened, what surprises me (maybe it shouldn't) is how they are getting away with it. I still can't comprehend the Tevez-Mascherano clemency not provoking absolute absolute uproar either.
Even the Danish commentators last night were spending not much time talking about the game and more time oscillating between taking the piss about the deal / how the f%%k can that happen other than somewhere like Nigeria or Afghanistan (thanks for the ready reference Mr. Cameron) / "how pissed would you be if you were a London council tax payer"
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So where is the money going from the sale of Upton Park ?
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I love VP, although it's had precious little done on it in recent times. The North Stand has become a bit tatty and the Doug Ellis Stand isn't great, especially the way it was constructed.
Like others I would say never leave, but if we were to be in the Premiership, get a purpose built stadium nearby with all mod cons plus access, all at a daylight robbery price that enabled us to splash the cash, I suspect then some might be swayed.
I doubt many would be swayed - supporting Villa wouldn't be anything like it is IF Villa Park wasn't our home. I don't believe there's any other set of supporters who love their home ground as much as we do.
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Not a fucking prayer. Give me Villa park in league 1, with our famous old Stadium and the memorable nights.
Trophies that we have won as Aston Villa! Not pretending that we won the world cup because we had a few players in the England team.
Yes we may be in a difficult situation. I would rather there without selling out and moving to a soulless rented stadium.
Certainly after the chirpy Cockernees showed how they were last night. They almost... ALMOST make Small Heath look like a class act
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So where is the money going from the sale of Upton Park ?
I think they got surprisingly little for it. £20m from memory.
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A purely hypothetical question, but if Villa were to leave VP for a new stadium, where would be a good place for it to be situated, assuming it moved from B6?
Wellington Road. Perry Barr.
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
The word "Fantastically" comes to mind!
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Without meaning to go off on a tangent, I wouldn't be too keen on mirroring The Holte End with The North. Yes it needs updating but I like that The Holte stands alone, to mirror it's style might cheapen it? If The North Stand were to be updated, I would hope it would just be built into a grand stand in it's own right, something that fits Villa Park's legacy but not The Holte End 2.
yeah I shouldn't have said replica. Bad choice of word as the Holte is unique. I just meant a much bigger stand than the North stand to give the ground some much needed symettery. I would be dead against filling in the corners but I've always loved how the lower tier of the north stand sweeps around to the Trinity. I'd love that theme to continue right round the ground.
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
The word "Fantastically" comes to mind!
This is a disgraceful deal for the taxpayer done by torys for Baroness Brady & the Essex wide boys. Made me sick to the stomach when I heard that horrible little twat Sullivan claiming it was a good deal for the taxpayer.
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No. Absolutely not never. I think VP is easier to develop than Upton Park anyway so we would never have to move to redevelop x
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West Ham, the Coventry City of London. No thanks.
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Depend which country the new ground would be in :D
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
I can understand how it happened, what surprises me (maybe it shouldn't) is how they are getting away with it. I still can't comprehend the Tevez-Mascherano clemency not provoking absolute absolute uproar either.
Even the Danish commentators last night were spending not much time talking about the game and more time oscillating between taking the piss about the deal / how the f%%k can that happen other than somewhere like Nigeria or Afghanistan (thanks for the ready reference Mr. Cameron) / "how pissed would you be if you were a London council tax payer"
I am a London taxpayer and I'm mystified, same as everybody else.
What benefit to the public is giving a very expensive piece of public property to private business?
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Also it's not just London taxpayers who should be peeved. Hundreds of millions were diverted by the government from charities to fund the Olympic park. Money from the lottery that would have been distributed by the Big Lottery Fund and others to good causes.
The whole thing is bent.
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But the fraudulent use of tax payers money in our country is so much more sophisticated than abroad old boy.
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
The word "Fantastically" comes to mind!
This is a disgraceful deal for the taxpayer done by torys for Baroness Brady & the Essex wide boys. Made me sick to the stomach when I heard that horrible little twat Sullivan claiming it was a good deal for the taxpayer.
He pays some tax, ergo good deal for the taxpayer.
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I love VP, although it's had precious little done on it in recent times. The North Stand has become a bit tatty and the Doug Ellis Stand isn't great, especially the way it was constructed.
Like others I would say never leave, but if we were to be in the Premiership, get a purpose built stadium nearby with all mod cons plus access, all at a daylight robbery price that enabled us to splash the cash, I suspect then some might be swayed.
I doubt many would be swayed - supporting Villa wouldn't be anything like it is IF Villa Park wasn't our home. I don't believe there's any other set of supporters who love their home ground as much as we do.
Suspect the Redscouse do.....
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If you are missing it I am too. I am completely bemused as to how they got away with it.
Yes, it's a complete mystery how West Ham (CEO Tory peer Baroness Brady) got such a deal for the Olympic Stadium from the London Legacy Development Corporation (then-chair Tory MP Boris Johnson) after it had been under the auspices of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (chair Tory peer Lord Coe.)
The word "Fantastically" comes to mind!
This is a disgraceful deal for the taxpayer done by torys for Baroness Brady & the Essex wide boys. Made me sick to the stomach when I heard that horrible little twat Sullivan claiming it was a good deal for the taxpayer.
He pays some tax, ergo good deal for the taxpayer.
Good point. More blag from that cunning stunt.
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Lerner completely failed to increase the stadium's capacity after 10 years. Not one single seat extra. Pathetic. Other clubs are leaving Villa well behind with increases in capacity. Lerner has wasted the last 6 years. A disgrace as custodian.
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Lerner completely failed to increase the stadium's capacity after 10 years. Not one single seat extra. Pathetic. Other clubs are leaving Villa well behind with increases in capacity. Lerner has wasted the last 6 years. A disgrace as custodian.
To be fair, and I'm no Lerner apologist in any way, if he had spent a penny on increasing the stadium capacity in the last 6 years with money that could have been spent on players then this place would have gone into meltdown. Unfortunately a bigger ground has been far from a priority in recent times...
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Lerner completely failed to increase the stadium's capacity after 10 years. Not one single seat extra. Pathetic. Other clubs are leaving Villa well behind with increases in capacity. Lerner has wasted the last 6 years. A disgrace as custodian.
What would have been the point in expanding the stadium? There's hardly a queue for season tickets.
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Lerner completely failed to increase the stadium's capacity after 10 years. Not one single seat extra. Pathetic. Other clubs are leaving Villa well behind with increases in capacity. Lerner has wasted the last 6 years. A disgrace as custodian.
But worryingly we regularly have attendances which are the leagues lowest in terms of % of full capacity. We don't appear to have the demand for more seats.
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To keep pace, Lerner needed to expand the stadium And fill it.
He didn't manage either.
He couldn't even sell out the expanded commercial/VIP seats in the trinity - even after kicking out long term season ticket holders.
Incompetent.
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To keep pace, Lerner needed to expand the stadium And fill it.
He didn't manage either.
He couldn't even sell out the expanded commercial/VIP seats in the trinity - even after kicking out long term season ticket holders.
Incompetent.
...which reminds me, is our resident marketing guru Adrian Bevington still with us??
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I've not read the thread. There's no point.
The answer is, quite simply, Never in a million fucking years.
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Lerner completely failed to increase the stadium's capacity after 10 years. Not one single seat extra. Pathetic. Other clubs are leaving Villa well behind with increases in capacity. Lerner has wasted the last 6 years. A disgrace as custodian.
here here
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Home is where the heart is
And villa park is my home
I travel up from Essex every home game and I still get a tingle no matter how shit we are playing when I get in my car to "come home"
Take us away from vp and our soul will be lost for ever
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No, relegation is temporary, I hope
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So where is the money going from the sale of Upton Park ?
I think they got surprisingly little for it. £20m from memory.
I'd have said £20M was not that far off the mark if Everton were talking about £5-7M for Goodison n their plans for a new stadium a couple of years ago, taking that gives you a 3 or 4 fold mark up for the madness that is London property pricing.
That plus the proceeds from flogging the Upton Park fixtures and fittings means that they'll effectively be living with no running costs for the next 8 - 10 years.
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PS what a shit question. No offence, like.
None taken. You're welcome to your narrow minded view; thankfully most people read it as a leading question to open further debate and comparison, hopefully to make me feel less suicidal over our worsening crisis 😜
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Lerner completely failed to increase the stadium's capacity after 10 years. Not one single seat extra. Pathetic. Other clubs are leaving Villa well behind with increases in capacity. Lerner has wasted the last 6 years. A disgrace as custodian.
This is exactly the point. It's all about progressing as a football club. Whether we actually need the extra seats is irrelevant. You must invest and keep investing just to stand still in modern day football. The very fact that the totally outdated North stand is still there is a shining example of Lerner's failings. (And Ellis)
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
We're going round in circles. Under investment combined with a lack of vision has left us falling way behind other clubs. You can't separate the two things.
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Why build something you don't need?
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Not a fucking prayer. Give me Villa park in league 1, with our famous old Stadium and the memorable nights.
But we don't have a famous old stadium - the oldest part of the ground is 40 years old, and I imagine most people would be happy to see that knocked down ( not me, I love the North Stand). Villa Park is like Trigger's broom in Only Fools and horses.
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
We're going round in circles. Under investment combined with a lack of vision has left us falling way behind other clubs. You can't separate the two things.
£260 million is not a small amount of money + the tv money and other income that has been spent.It is not under investment but poor spending that is the problem.
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Could everybody stop adding to the epic quote fail please.
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Is this a possible scenario...?...
West sham have sold their home and so are now basically renting of the council. The deal to get their new council house stinks
There is bound to be a full enuiry as to how this is possibly in the nation interest, this is after all being our stadium.
So if/when irregularities are found, could the Shammers be evicted, and therefore, hilariously and fantastically, become Homeless?
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
with respect VID money 'pissed up the wall' could hardly be classed as investment, mate. We have pissed an incredible amount of money up the wall as a club in recent years on things like compensation to bring in shit managers, compensation to get get rid of shit managers, high fees to sign shit players, high wages for new and existing shit players...but very little real investment, with the exception of redeveloping BH; and what return has there been even on that, in terms of good young players crashing the first team. Not much at all really, if we're being honest. Sad, but true unfortunately. Signing Benteke for 7m and selling him for 35m maybe? Mostly luck there though.
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The only area where Lerner can claim any kind of credit is where the club has put money into things like partnering with Acorns; the VMF restaurant venture, supporting local chefs and food producers; advancing football in poor countries. All very noble, sincerely, but nothing really to improve the club's match day infrastructure, or the quality of football offered up.
Re-reading the above, makes me even less inclined to swap places with West Ham as it goes.
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Could everybody stop adding to the epic quote fail please.
That was me. I'm not a morning person.
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Not a fucking prayer. Give me Villa park in league 1, with our famous old Stadium and the memorable nights.
But we don't have a famous old stadium - the oldest part of the ground is 40 years old, and I imagine most people would be happy to see that knocked down ( not me, I love the North Stand). Villa Park is like Trigger's broom in Only Fools and horses.
Well the lower North stand seating is on the original Witton End terrace. The lower Doug Ellis is the original Witton Lane circa 1966. Bit pedantic I know but true.
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The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
We're going round in circles. Under investment combined with a lack of vision has left us falling way behind other clubs. You can't separate the two things.
£260 million is not a small amount of money + the tv money and other income that has been spent.It is not under investment but poor spending that is the problem.
Okay.
Could everybody stop adding to the epic quote fail please.
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Twat! 😉
The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
We're going round in circles. Under investment combined with a lack of vision has left us falling way behind other clubs. You can't separate the two things.
£260 million is not a small amount of money + the tv money and other income that has been spent.It is not under investment but poor spending that is the problem.
Okay.
Could everybody stop adding to the epic quote fail please.
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Twat! 😉
The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
We're going round in circles. Under investment combined with a lack of vision has left us falling way behind other clubs. You can't separate the two things.
£260 million is not a small amount of money + the tv money and other income that has been spent.It is not under investment but poor spending that is the problem.
Okay.
Could everybody stop adding to the epic quote fail please.
There hasn't been a good quotathon in years
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Idiot moment.....
I was just thinking the Olympic Stadium will be a new ground for next season.
Maybe we'll get them away in the Cup.
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Idiot moment.....
I was just thinking the Olympic Stadium will be a new ground for next season.
Maybe we'll get them away in the Cup.
I can do better than that. I used to wonder why West Ham played at the Bowling Ground.
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Cheeky Risso >>>> Twat! 😉
The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
We're going round in circles. Under investment combined with a lack of vision has left us falling way behind other clubs. You can't separate the two things.
£260 million is not a small amount of money + the tv money and other income that has been spent.It is not under investment but poor spending that is the problem.
Okay.
Could everybody stop adding to the epic quote fail please.
There hasn't been a good quotathon in years
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Cheeky Risso >>>> Twat! 😉
The North Stand probably does need re-building but other than that, the stadium not being big enough is the least of our worries at the moment.
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It's the elephant in the room. A shining example of under investment and lack of vision at our club.
You can complain about lack of vision, but not lack of investment.
The amount of money we've pissed up the wall is terrifying due to stupid decisions on top of ridiculous decisions.
We're going round in circles. Under investment combined with a lack of vision has left us falling way behind other clubs. You can't separate the two things.
£260 million is not a small amount of money + the tv money and other income that has been spent.It is not under investment but poor spending that is the problem.
Okay.
Could everybody stop adding to the epic quote fail please.
There hasn't been a good quotathon in years
Never more.
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Pack it in please.
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Nope, I'd rather stay at Villa Park with a new North Stand and Witton Lane stand in a rejuvenated Aston. We can all dream.
That's my dream too, Trinity road elevations wrapped all the way round to join the Holte on WItton lane, 65,000+capacity stadium with no corrugated plastic in sight..... It will happen one day. And before anyone laughs about filling it just remember we've just enjoyed a bigger average gate last season than the year we won the league and that's on the back of five dismal seasons .
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I'd rather slash my arse and sit in a bowl of Salt 'n' Vinegar crisps.
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I'd rather slash my arse and sit in a bowl of Salt 'n' Vinegar crisps.
They say a picture is worth a 1000 words.
That's worth a £1000 per word not to see the picture!