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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on April 30, 2016, 06:08:38 PM
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It's a genuine question as to be honest I'm very concerned at this moment but if we can get things sorted off the pitch I might not be.
There is zero momentum going into the close season. We are very likely to beat our worst run of defeats record, there's no manager in sight and rumours abound that the current owner will not be spending a bean in the event he doesn't manage to sell up.
On top of that there are serious, serious issues around the quality of the squad and the disgraceful attitude and losing mentality engulfing it.
There is a third of employees losing their jobs and we are closing a main stand tier like it's a closing down sale rather than remotely looking ambitious. The relationship between players, club and supporters is the worst I've ever known even more so than 1987 in my opinion.
All of this is a recipe for another disastrous season next year. However, I was heartened to hear Brightons story and in particular what hughton inherited there when Hyppia got sacked. The situations were similar.
I cannot see any light at the moment and yet with a few vital changes at the top genuinely think we could turn it round quickly.
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I think we will do badly. Finish middle to lower half of the table.
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We don't know who the owner will be, we don't know who the manager will be and we have absoloutely no idea who the players will be.
So serious answer, no one has a Fkin clue.
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At the moment I think bottom half.
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We don't know who the owner will be, we don't know who the manager will be and we have absoloutely no idea who the players will be.
So serious answer, no one has a Fkin clue.
What he said.
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Badly if a lot doesn't change. If we can keep Ayew, Adama, Amavi, Veretout and Gestede and build around them we might be ok. We need to get rid of Richards, Guzan, Lescott and Agbonlahor and then the core attitude of the squad will improve. Bear in mind that Steer and Gardner have both equipped themselves well in the Championship and they're both playing key positions.
We just need to hope a takeover happens quick and the work that is needed is done equally quickly.
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We will have a new manager and several new players, along with a few returning from loan.
Impossible to call it. It's all down to the choice of manager, quality of close-season activity and a good start.
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If Lerner is in charge, we'll be bottom half and might go down. There will be no money to add players, the few decent ones will leave and the remainder will still be shite.
If a new owner is in charge I've no idea how we'd do, would depend on who the manager was and who we buy/retain.
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I honestly think we'll huff and puff and finish in the bottom half of the table, a few places above the relegation zone. We'll suffer major humiliation against the knuckledraggers, and our home record will continue to be beyond pathetic, as every scruffy scrotebag of a club comes to Villa Park as if it's the world cup final.
Our problems are so monumental, so deeply ingrained, there will be no chance of a magical turnaround in our fortunes unless someone pumps millions into the club. Unlikely.
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Blimey, pass me the razor blades.
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We simply need a spark. Sounds easy!, It is.
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Bottom half with the current crop. If Sinclair and Gestede perform as they have done there we may do ok. We still need 2 goalkeepers and a whole defence, Okore and Clark may be able to hack it if their attitude improves.
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Bottom half with the current crop. If Sinclair and Gestede perform as they have done there we may do ok. We still need 2 goalkeepers and a whole defence, Okore and Clark may be able to hack it if their attitude improves.
We don't need two goalkeepers Steer has done really well in that division.
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I think a change of attitude/culture is more important than who is in the squad. I actually think our current squad isn't as bad as they've made themselves look. Yes, it's not great but how Bournemouth and co can be so far ahead of us is actually ridiculous. With better management of the club and playing staff that group of players could have finished higher - it just needed some leadership, guidance and organisation but all have been lacking. As for next season, there's too many variables to make any predictions. That said, the current squad could walk the division under better management imo.
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Now here's a thread that will accumulate a lot of pages over the coming months.
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It's too early to ask that question because this won't be the side or the manager that will start the season. There will be lots of change and a change in focus and mentality.
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Bottom half with the current crop. If Sinclair and Gestede perform as they have done there we may do ok. We still need 2 goalkeepers and a whole defence, Okore and Clark may be able to hack it if their attitude improves.
We don't need two goalkeepers Steer has done really well in that division.
We have two keepers in Steer and Bunn.
Okore won't be here. Clark will stay if he want's to (if he has a good Euro 2016 he may get offers elsewhere).
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yes but if randy is still the owner, we will be buying from poundland. the only brightness about our future, is us villa fans that actually care.
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The truth is that anything can happen depending on events in the next few weeks.
If Lerner does not sell us very soon and the appointment of a new manager is fudged or delayed it is likely our downward momentum and disintegration will continue apace. A poster in one of the match threads used the metaphor of turning a tanker around, and this analogy was used by Graham Taylor a few seasons ago when we were on the verge of dropping.
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We have taken 6 points from 18 against teams who were in the Championship last season so based on that not very well.
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it depends on two major factors, who the manager is and who the owner is
with a new owner we might have a bit of money to spend
as far as the manager goes, i cant see us appointing before the end of the season so we are at the mercy of the managerial merry go round so could end up with someone who was third or fourth choice originally
worrying times ahead
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This relegation has a lot more in common with 1967 than it does with 1987.
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IF....we get a Billy Billionaire new owner and Pearson/Moyes,straightback up.easy.If Randys still here and gets someone weve never heard of,(Like Remi Garde) ,yeah I can see league 1 beckoning.
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Such as Steve Clarke the latest to get a mention.
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This afternoon showed that even the slightest hint of effort and a few attempts on goal and the fans will still get behind the players. Booing of Lescott and Bacuna was fairly reduced today.
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I think this relegation looks more like 1967 than 1987 to me, only new ownership with an exciting managerial appointment within the next few weeks can prevent our slide going into next season.
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Any new start the fans would be behind,unless its Steve Bruce....
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This relegation has a lot more in common with 1967 than it does with 1987.
I think this relegation looks more like 1967 than 1987 to me, only new ownership with an exciting managerial appointment within the next few weeks can prevent our slide going into next season.
Sorry Andy Lochead in the Air, I wasn't copying you my friend!!
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Mid-table next year and automatic promotion the year after.
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1987 feels like a weekend in the Hefner mansion compared to the 2016 shithouse.
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yes but if randy is still the owner, we will be buying from poundland. the only brightness about our future, is us villa fans that actually care.
Lerner's record is not as a Poundland buyer. He's stumped up the cash, but it's been spent by poor managers on mediocre players (by and large).
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If Lerner is in charge, we'll be bottom half and might go down. There will be no money to add players, the few decent ones will leave and the remainder will still be shite.
If a new owner is in charge I've no idea how we'd do, would depend on who the manager was and who we buy/retain.
Saved me a lot of finger prodding on the iPad. It's irrelevant until we see who the new owners (hopefully) are.
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Mid table clutching at the play offs next season. Second with automatic promotion the season after ( Newcastle will pip us for the wonderful trophy).
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Too many variables at this point to have any idea really.
If we are sold to someone intelligent with some money, a decent manager comes in, we shift the dross and buy well we will come up.
If any one of those are not in place we may struggle.
If more than one is not in place it could be ugly.
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It depends on the manager. Even Blues in meltdown made the play offs with Hughton.
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Too many variables at this point to have any idea really.
If we are sold to someone intelligent with some money, a decent manager comes in, we shift the dross and buy well we will come up.
If any one of those are not in place we may struggle.
If more than one is not in place it could be ugly.
I would say this but too early to tell, let's see what sort of squad we assemble.
I did naively think with the two month head start we had on the other relegated teams we might be pro active and make some big decisions but clearly not.
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I see Hughton mentioned again in the above post. He has now gone into three basket case situations and turned them all to promotion winners or candidates - Blues, Newcastle and now Brighton. I read somewhere that Brighton was in a parlous state when he took over last year. I honestly think he would be great for us.
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Lerner stays and we manage to strip away all the wasters (Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Bacuna, Agbonlahor). We also sell the players we are likely to get some money for (Ayew, Gana, Traore, Amavi, Sanchez) and we would be left with:
Steer
Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho
Westwood Gardner
Green Grealish Sinclair
Gestede
To be totally honest, a few additions using the money generated from sales with a couple
of decent loans and I think the right manager could get us competitive next season.
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Brighton were probably in parlours state because they have so many armchair supporters.
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If you want a straw to clutch at....
The Sunderland team of 10 years ago was even worse than us this season; they went down with just 15 points.
The following season they lost their first 4 games in the Championship, changed their manager at this stage (Roy Keane!), went on an incredible run and finished top of the Championship!
So as gloomy as it all looks right now, it CAN be done.
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Shit.
The club is completely rudderless.
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Win the League with this lot:
Steer
A rightback Okore Clark Amavi
Westwood Gana
Traore Grealish Ayew
Gestede
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That team is mentally and physically as weak as a child.
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Most likely scenario at the moment is that Lerner will still be here, the imports from the last summer window - Ayew, Ganna, Veretout, Traore and even Amavi - will be off like a shot, and a few others will have found moves, notably Cissokho and Okore. Only those who could only move for less money or are just plain unsellable will be here. We will have at best a c-list manager with only a portion of money from sales at his disposal.
Set against that, the standard in the Championship is fairly shite, although a lot of teams will see us as their game of the season/away trip of the season.
Provided we can find a decent if cheap centre back, a couple of midfielders and an effective forward then we may challenge for the playoffs. Probably without success. Which will leave us going into season 2 still with a rump of high earners/low returners which really will make life difficult. Great.
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2 months ago I thought we'd be challenging for automatic promotion with a nucleus of 7-8 from this squad plus additions making us easily good enough.
2 months, 11 games and McGrath knows how many unbelievably unprofessional acts later I think a season of mid table Championship grind awaits. If we're flirting with any division it's Div 1 not the PL as it stands.
From top to bottom, this club has totally fallen apart.
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You do know there isn't a chance in hell of Ayew staying.
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You do know there isn't a chance in hell of Ayew staying.
I'd love to keep him but he'll definitely be gone. Damn shame. He'll be one of those players I'll wonder about if/when we're in good shape again in the top flight. If he moves to a club like West Ham he'll do very well. He'll never be consistent enough for top 4 but he's a decent player.
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Win the League with this lot:
Steer
A rightback Okore Clark Amavi
Westwood Gana
Traore Grealish Ayew
Gestede
Better first choice keeper, experienced CB, replacement for Westwood, a quick forward who can score and you might be right. We can but dream!
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From the ones i'd like to keep I expect to lose all the French lads, Okore and Traore. I aso think deadwood like Richards, Lescott, Bacuna, Guzan, Cissokho will go too. We wont be able to shift Gabby unless pay him off which we won't do.
That's at least 9 that'll go. I can see us starting the season with a squad thats threadbare and not fit for purpose again.
Unless a sale goes through......... That's the key.
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we need to have someone close to Gestede and play with wingers, if we are to get anything out of him.
Failure to do this and we may as well stick with Robinson, as he will be neither use nor ornament
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we need to have someone close to Gestede and play with wingers, if we are to get anything out of him.
Failure to do this and we may as well stick with Robinson, as he will be neither use nor ornament
Even in the Championsip I would use Gestede as an impact sub. We need a better first choice striker if we are going to do well.
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Win the League with this lot:
Steer
A rightback Okore Clark Amavi
Westwood Gana
Traore Grealish Ayew
Gestede
I don't think there's a cat in hells chance of half of that lot being here in August. Decent Championship side though.
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Where is Steer? He was highly rated when we signed him. It might be the perfect opportunity to play him in the championship. However an experienced back-up would be essential.
Would people entertain Guzan as the back-up or have all bridges been burnt? I have always thought of Guzan as a reasonably stable influence on the dressing room, I even recall an interview where he suggested that some players were drinking more than professional footballers should.
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To answer my own question: Steer is at huddersfield, currently 19th having conceded 665 goals in 45 matches. Hmmmm.
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To answer my own question: Steer is at huddersfield, currently 19th having conceded 665 goals in 45 matches. Hmmmm.
Bloody hell, they've done well not to finish bottom with a defence like that.
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If we start the season with Lerner, I reckon we'll be lower middle.
If we're under new owners, new manager with the summer to clear out the crap and bring his own in, I think we might push the play offs.
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To answer my own question: Steer is at huddersfield, currently 19th having conceded 665 goals in 45 matches. Hmmmm.
And we thought our defence was crap!
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Where is Steer? He was highly rated when we signed him. It might be the perfect opportunity to play him in the championship. However an experienced back-up would be essential.
Would people entertain Guzan as the back-up or have all bridges been burnt? I have always thought of Guzan as a reasonably stable influence on the dressing room, I even recall an interview where he suggested that some players were drinking more than professional footballers should.
Not for me. The first thing a new manager should do is tell Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor to get on the phone to their agents because they will never play for Aston Villa again.
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I was convinced we'd win all 46 league games next season, now I think it will only be 40.
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Perfectly summed up in 1987
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Barstewards!
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At the moment I'm edging for about 12th. I will reevaluate come the start of the season.
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Badly unless the players grow some balls. And quickly.
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Without the necessary changes we could stink that league out also. Any money we have to spend should be spent on ridding the club of bad apples. Then we re-assess and see what's leftover from the academy, U21s and reserves. Surely to fuck we can cobble a squad together from the leftovers and with a few decent loans chucked in, mount a challenge for the play offs.
In short, only a total overhaul will do. It's the only way the fans are likely to get behind the first team next season.
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Without a new owner, new manager and a total overhaul of the playing squad I'm thinking lower half and possibly in a relegation battle. However, being positive, a new owner with new money and the right manager (not Pearson) I think we could be challenging for promotion SGT style.
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As things stand, taking into account the ones that will probably go that id like to stay, our starting 11 could be
Steer
Hutton Clark Okore Amavi
Westwood Gardner
Grealish Gil Traore
Gestede
With some promising backup including Toner Baker and Green to name a few. Provided we don't do a Villa and let the best of that line up go I honestly think we could be ok
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I think we should do everything in our power to keep Ayew. I think he'd tear up the Championship.
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This relegation has a lot more in common with 1967 than it does with 1987.
I think this relegation looks more like 1967 than 1987 to me, only new ownership with an exciting managerial appointment within the next few weeks can prevent our slide going into next season.
Sorry Andy Lochead in the Air, I wasn't copying you my friend!!
Sorry Andy Lochhead in the Air I was! The same standard of players.the same depressing atmosphere around Villa Park on match days and at the moment no Pat and Doug arriving on their white chargers to start the revolution!
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For me,
we'll either boss it, or we will drop.
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For me,
we'll either boss it, or we will drop.
This. Or maybe midtable.
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Without an overhaul of the playing squad what makes people think the atmosphere is going to be anything other than cliquey and toxic behind the scenes still?
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It's too early to ask that question because this won't be the side or the manager that will start the season. There will be lots of change and a change in focus and mentality.
sadly TV, I cannot share your optimism.
There are 25 players out of contract at the end of the season, 14 of whom the club have the option of extending their contracts.
Unfortunately only N'Zogbia and Richardson are just TWO from the dross that should be eradicated from the club.
I don't buy into the "the players looked like they tried yesterday" BS from some posters, too little and much too fucking late.
I also have to ask if we have any coaching staff at the club, as we make the same basic mistakes, week in ,week out.
If we have any coaching staff, then they too need eradicating.
Unless we have a new owner (or RL) who pumps in a shedload of money to cancel loads of players/coaches contracts and provides the funds for new players, then I am afraid that getting back into the PL will be the least of our worries.
We have approx 15 weeks till the new season starts, and unless something Biblical happens, I feel that League 1 will be where we are going to be heading towards.
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With the current shambles I am edging towards a mid-table finish and a bit of a rocky first season at that level. But then until we know which players are staying or going and who the manager is nearly imposible to predict. There should be a core of five or six players who would be quite useful in the Championship, so with one or two good signings and the right manager there's a good chance that we could come back up. But until I've seen how things progress during the summer I'm not really confident of that.
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Well unless the shambles that is Aston villa doesn't get sorted out in the next couple of months there is no chance of us coming straight back up. The following season will then be even harder as the parachute payment drops dramatically.
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We simply need a spark. Sounds easy!, It is.
Ron or Russell ?
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For me,
we'll either boss it, or we will drop.
This. Or maybe midtable.
so we be at the top, bottom or perhaps the middle lol
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We simply need a spark. Sounds easy!, It is.
Ron or Russell ?
This town ain't big enough for the both of them.
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Without an overhaul of the playing squad what makes people think the atmosphere is going to be anything other than cliquey and toxic behind the scenes still?
It will be. There are some players that should never be near the first team scene again. I think just removing them would give everyone a lift and change the atmosphere around the club.
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Until we know what the playing staff is going to be there's no way of knowing if we'll progress in the Championship but one thing's for sure, if we keep the current 'core' we can all give up now. My dream would be for former players to return to the club that helped shape their careers and we'd blitz it.
Davis, Barry, Milner, Benteke, Cahill, Young, Albrighton, Gardner C (he'd be perfect for this division), Downing (nah scrub that one), Walker (Kyle not Ray), they owe us some of these. I'd have O'Neill as manager too given the division we'll be in but fear I'd be in the minority.
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Nurse.... russon's escaped again
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I'd rather have Barry Fry in charge than have that pube-headed judas twat back at the club.
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I'd rather have Barry Fry in charge than have that pube-headed judas twat back at the club.
What he said.
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I have no idea what the future holds, but it's amazing what a bit of momentum can offer. If you get a player that finds his level or a striker that scores in three on the bounce, all of a sudden you don't look back.
That said, if it takes a season to build a team that's capable of winning the Championship and stopping in the Premier League for good, then so be it.
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Impossible to say right now
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We will have to get 90 odd points for automatic promotion. Probably 25+ wins
That is more wins than we have got in the last three seasons combined.
I can't even comprehend what it must be like to be winning every week after the last few years
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I have no idea what the future holds, but it's amazing what a bit of momentum can offer. If you get a player that finds his level or a striker that scores in three on the bounce, all of a sudden you don't look back.
That said, if it takes a season to build a team that's capable of winning the Championship and stopping in the Premier League for good, then so be it.
I think sorting out the defensive side of things is the first priority. Like Leicester have shown this year, if you can keep clean sheets on a regular basis you have every chance of winning games.
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I think it all depends on who we can keep hold of, if we could have Ayew, Traore, Grealish, Gil and Gestede as attacking options then we should be able to out score most teams. A commanding centre mid, a Petrov, Fletcher, Osman type and a commanding centre half are essential too.
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we will know more at the end of the summer transfer window
maybe get a charlie adam and peter crouch in for some experience , but we have no idea until we know who owns us and who manages us.
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we will know more at the end of the summer transfer window
maybe get a charlie adam and peter crouch in for some experience , but we have no idea until we know who owns us and who manages us.
Crouch looked good yesterday. Adam is a good shout, just always seems to be Gabby like fitness wise. Maybe he is big boned
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Adam is a good shout, just always seems to be Gabby like fitness wise. Maybe he is big boned
Yes, especially around his chins and neck
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Depends, as it stands now with no new owner, no manager, hardly a board, shit players i'd say we'll be lucky to even stay up
We've had 5 months head start on everyone else being relegated and we've done absolutely NOTHING with it as far as i can see. Totally unprepared in all departments
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Depends, as it stands now with no new owner, no manager, hardly a board, shit players i'd say we'll be lucky to even stay up
We've had 5 months head start on everyone else being relegated and we've done absolutely NOTHING with it as far as i can see. Totally unprepared in all departments
I fully concur. I dread to think what will happen if we don't get a new owner soon. :(
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Depends, as it stands now with no new owner, no manager, hardly a board, shit players i'd say we'll be lucky to even stay up
We've had 5 months head start on everyone else being relegated and we've done absolutely NOTHING with it as far as i can see. Totally unprepared in all departments
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We are fucked. Simples. Agbonlawhore and his overpaid wanky cronies won't be anywhere near AVFC come August. We'll be stuck with the kids I'm afraid, the shite from over the road will no doubt kick us to bits, and christ even the dingles might even beat us, man.
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Depends, as it stands now with no new owner, no manager, hardly a board, shit players i'd say we'll be lucky to even stay up
We've had 5 months head start on everyone else being relegated and we've done absolutely NOTHING with it as far as i can see. Totally unprepared in all departments
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We are fucked. Simples. Agbonlawhore and his overpaid wanky cronies won't be anywhere near AVFC come August. We'll be stuck with the kids I'm afraid, the shite from over the road will no doubt kick us to bits, and christ even the dingles might even beat us, man.
Kick us to bits?
We'll see soon enough.
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We have had the chance to at least get started on preparation for life below, the only measure that seems to have been taken is letting the staff know there is going to be redundancy's.
Yes we may have a new owner awaiting, yes this may have an effect on who the new manager is, but as it is Aston Villa still under the man childs rule, we will again be reactive not proactive, we never ever seem to learn.
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If we manage to cast adrift the rotten deadwood and get a lot of new faces into the first team, I'd go old school 4-4-2 with a couple pacy wide players banging it in for Gestede. Gotta come good with some decent service. Maybe something like:
New keeper
New rightback Clarke/ Baker. Okore. New leftback
Traore. Gardner. Grealish. New left/ mid
Ayew Gestede
With the exception of splashing some money on a decent keeper, I'd go loan deals along the lines of when we had Milner and Kyle walker on loan. 3 or 4 decent loan players with a point to prove, along with a new management and coaching team and we'd be halfway back to being in business.
I wonder which, if any of those current players above would step up for the captaincy?Assuming we don't sign the next Bryan Robson, I'd like to think one of those players could do the job, not sure who yet, though?
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All bets are off if Lerner sells but that looks pretty unlikely, although it might sell STs to the gullible. I think that history is going to repeat itself I.e. Down to League 1 for a couple of seasons before the recovery starts. Could be quite a journey.
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All bets are off if Lerner sells but that looks pretty unlikely, although it might sell STs to the gullible. I think that history is going to repeat itself I.e. Down to League 1 for a couple of seasons before the recovery starts. Could be quite a journey.
Are you saying all those who have renewed their season tickets are gullible?
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We'll finish 3rd, and lose the playoff semi final to Small Heath 2 -3 over two lets having been 2 - 0 up from the 1st leg at the sty. :o
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Today takes Sean Dyche out of the reckoning.
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All bets are off if Lerner sells but that looks pretty unlikely, although it might sell STs to the gullible.
Gullible? Or fans who will continue to support Aston Villa through thick and thin no matter who the owner is?
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All bets are off if Lerner sells but that looks pretty unlikely, although it might sell STs to the gullible.
Gullible? Or fans who will continue to support Aston Villa through thick and thin no matter who the owner is?
Correct.
And we are going to blitz the league because we are Aston bloody Villa. New owner, new players and a bit of optimism.
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After watching the burnley - Qpr game yesterday I thought if burnley can get promoted with that team then surely we have a chance
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All bets are off if Lerner sells but that looks pretty unlikely, although it might sell STs to the gullible. I think that history is going to repeat itself I.e. Down to League 1 for a couple of seasons before the recovery starts. Could be quite a journey.
To be gullible you have to believe the line spun to you - I'm renewing because this could be a fooking great season and if it's not I'll still be able to talk about it in decades to come.
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i dont know how it works in the championship, but I hope we don't continue just taking the first allocation for away tickets, some of the grounds will be small anyway and we won't get a choice but there must be some bigger grounds we can pack the away section out
Pity MK Dons went down they gave you 6000-9000 if you wanted them, and it's only a 4 mile trip for me
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If Lerner can't sell and makes a crazy managerial appointment we will be scrapping to avoid league 1, if he can't sell and appoints a steady solid manager like Bruce/McCarthy with little money maybe mid table, if he sells and new owners make a positive appointment with some player investment then top 6 is possible.
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To answer my own question: Steer is at huddersfield, currently 19th having conceded 665 goals in 45 matches. Hmmmm.
Bloody hell, they've done well not to finish bottom with a defence like that.
But what a forward line they must have.
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12/1 on skybet to win it at the moment
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12/1 on skybet to win it at the moment
No good. Who are the 5000-1 outsiders?
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I saw some of the defending in the Championship on Goals on Sunday, the way Leeds let Charlton walk through and score was hilarious. The standard is shit, we are going to kick serious arse even if it's Just Head and Kojak.
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like it, we are going to win big
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i dont know how it works in the championship, but I hope we don't continue just taking the first allocation for away tickets,
They don't want us there.
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as we say in the better parts of Erdington.
"Et cecidi consurgam"
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To answer the original question - no idea. We don't know who the Manager will be, we don't know what the squad will be. We don't even know exactly what teams we will be competing against. I'd imagine it will be about October before we can see which way things are going. If we have a new owner and make a decent start then there will be a "feelgood factor" which will give us momentum. If we are still owned by Randy and/or we make a tricky start then it could be tough going.
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after watch the load of dross that Burnley served up on Sunday v qpr I'm sure with a few signings there is no reason why we can't come back up
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Get rid of the bad eggs. Sign a few decent pros who will be able to fit in straight away. I will be loathe to see some of our French contigent go and 1-2 others but the fact is they've probably not adapted as much as they might have or integrated enough. True that is in part to sacks of shit like Gabby creating dressing room divides but with such damage it may just be better for them to go and indeed Ayew, Gana and Veretout will all have suitors. We need to cash in on them.
We also, with a reasonable manager, need to start instilling a winning mentally. Get that and I think some players who have struggled may finally fulfill their potential. Ciaran Clark for one. That other player too, Kiaran Clarke. I'm not Westwood's biggest fan but he's not in the asshole club and I also think in the Championship he'll look quite decent. Some of these lot just need some confidence, which comes from winning. But what we really, really need is a spine of positive influential players that will unify the team and also inspire the kids coming through.
Gestede will score. If we signed McCormack, he wouldn't have sell on value but promotion would more than pay off his cost and he would garauntee goals. You have him and Rudy, and you're looking at 40 goals right there.
Key, key season for Grealish. Also Troare who (should he stay) would rip that league apart with his pace, whilst his tactical deficiences wouldn't effect us so much.
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Get Nigel in and we will do fine.
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And sign a good Morley type winger. Get into em....
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Win it at center. We will lose as many games as we've won this season and be up before cream eggs leave the shelves.
Pearson will lay out the entire support of the Tilton Road (yes, all four of them) and we'll clinch the title at the Sty.
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Defences are very slow down there so if we can keep someone like Adama I'm confident he'd create havoc down there. I do think we have some attacking players to score goals and win games already in the squad, if Grealish can sort his head out he should be a standout player at that level and Ayew goes without saying although unlikely to stay.
Rest of the side worries me though. We get outbattled in midfield on a weekly basis in the prem and think same will happen down there unless we sign some experienced players, same at the back.
Not making any predictions until I see what sort of squad and manager we have first week of August.
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Defences are very slow down there so if we can keep someone like Adama I'm confident he'd create havoc down there. I do think we have some attacking players to score goals and win games already in the squad, if Grealish can sort his head out he should be a standout player at that level and Ayew goes without saying although unlikely to stay.
I agree that pace in the final third is the key for next season and apart from Ayew, it is something we haven't had this season. If we can sign a quick striker for next season, keep Ayew and Traore to play either side and have Grealish just in behind, it would be a pretty dynamic attack.
We would need a strong base behind and although I think they will probably both go, I really think Sanchez and Gana could give us that and could have this season if played together.
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i'd also get Albrighton back, Milner, Barry, Walters, Young, Ba, Krul, Watson, Kompany on loan to assess his fitness, and Benteke on loan.
We'd walk it.
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i'd also get Albrighton back, Milner, Barry, Walters, Young, Ba, Krul, Watson, Kompany on loan to assess his fitness, and Benteke on loan.
We'd walk it.
James Rodriguez was only on the bench for Madrid last night, would be useful cover for Bacuna.
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This last minute rule change which does away with relegation that I've been pinning my hopes on isn't happening, is it?
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i'd also get Albrighton back, Milner, Barry, Walters, Young, Ba, Krul, Watson, Kompany on loan to assess his fitness, and Benteke on loan.
We'd walk it.
James Rodriguez was only on the bench for Madrid last night, would be useful cover for Bacuna.
I like the look of the Bale fella as well. A cheeky loan bid for him as I reckon he wants to come back home. Depends how we're going use Bacuna though. I reckon up front.
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we'll clinch the title at the Sty.
Oh my, I have the excitement of being a Villan flowing through my bones again
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This last minute rule change which does away with relegation that I've been pinning my hopes on isn't happening, is it?
It'll start next season you watch.
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Not sure but being in the championship means we could be out of the League Cup before the likes of Bournemouth, Boro, and Burnley enter the bloody thing. WTF!
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Paddy Power has installed Aston Villa as the 13-2 favourites to win the 2016-2017 Skybet Championship. For those of you not familiar with betting, it means if you put a £50 stake on Villa, you will lose £50.
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This last minute rule change which does away with relegation that I've been pinning my hopes on isn't happening, is it?
It'll start next season you watch.
Yup.
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we'll clinch the title at the Sty.
Oh my, I have the excitement of being a Villan flowing through my bones again
This !!
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we'll clinch the title at the Sty.
In February
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Just imagine having to go there on the last day of the season with that at stake. Dear God doesnt bear thinking about.
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Just imagine having to go there on the last day of the season with that at stake. Dear God doesnt bear thinking about.
or for them needing to win to finish 6th, with us already having finished 3rd !! (or preferably higher !!) - Chelsea v Spurs the other night would have nothing on it.
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Just imagine having to go there on the last day of the season with that at stake. Dear God doesnt bear thinking about.
or for them needing to win to finish 6th, with us already having finished 3rd !! (or preferably higher !!) - Chelsea v Spurs the other night would have nothing on it.
Stephen Knight would write a book about it. Except, he'd take no heed of actual historical fact. He'd probably have Blues winning or something daft like that.
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and what would he say about what happened in the play offs - assuming we did finish 3rd !!
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Semi final at Villa park
1-0
1-0 to the Shit in the second leg and the have a pen with the last kick of the game. Their number whatever taken by whoever steps us and smashes the thing so hard it rebounds off the bar and sails back 95 yards to a falining whoever their keeper is who gets the lightest touch with his finger tips. 1-1 Good night. We then beat Burton 12-0 in the final.
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Paddy Power has installed Aston Villa as the 13-2 favourites to win the 2016-2017 Skybet Championship. For those of you not familiar with betting, it means if you put a £50 stake on Villa, you will lose £50.
It'll be 5000-1 at Christmas
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13-2 is a pisstake. Unless things change soon for the better I would say 13-2 for relegation would be more of a value bet.
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Lump on, we'll bladder that league.
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Every week someone else's cup final, we'll be an ace cup team with that week in week out experience, FA Cup winners in 2018 is nailed on.
Then again.
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It will start off as a novelty for the bumpkins. Going to Villa Park, the Versaille of football, having 5000 Villa packing out their pokey little ground, but when we've won 9 of our first 10 and are smashing up all in sight, their eyes will quickly flicker to the next fixture after us for hope of better returns.
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It will start off as a novelty for the bumpkins. Going to Villa Park, the Versaille of football, having 5000 Villa packing out their pokey little ground, but when we've won 9 of our first 10 and are smashing up all in sight, their eyes will quickly flicker to the next fixture after us for hope of better returns.
It's all well and good being all gung ho optimistic, but it'll just make the disappointment all the worse for you when we're 15th after 10 games.
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It will start off as a novelty for the bumpkins. Going to Villa Park, the Versaille of football, having 5000 Villa packing out their pokey little ground, but when we've won 9 of our first 10 and are smashing up all in sight, their eyes will quickly flicker to the next fixture after us for hope of better returns.
Last time round they all upped their game and we got beaten at home regularly.
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It will start off as a novelty for the bumpkins. Going to Villa Park, the Versaille of football, having 5000 Villa packing out their pokey little ground, but when we've won 9 of our first 10 and are smashing up all in sight, their eyes will quickly flicker to the next fixture after us for hope of better returns.
good luck with a 5000 allocation lol
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I admire the optimism of those who think we'll walk the league, unless they know who is going to be managing us and who we are going to be signing.
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I admire the optimism of those who think we'll walk the league, unless they know who is going to be managing us and who we are going to be signing.
That's it for me. One to answer going into the first game of the season.
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It will start off as a novelty for the bumpkins. Going to Villa Park, the Versaille of football, having 5000 Villa packing out their pokey little ground, but when we've won 9 of our first 10 and are smashing up all in sight, their eyes will quickly flicker to the next fixture after us for hope of better returns.
good luck with a 5000 allocation lol
Lololol.
There's a number of big allocations available; Wednesday, Blackburn, Preston, Reading, Fulham, Small Heath, Wolves, Wigan, Huddersfield etc.
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Which of those are 'pokey little grounds'?
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any one familiar with the Paul Newman film, Slap shot,
that's exactly how we have got to approach this fuckin graveyard of a league,
show no respect and fuckin loads of arrogance, and win at all costs.
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Arrogance is what's done us these last few years. That and complacency. We've drifted into nothingness because we thought everything would be alright. But we're as far from alright as we could possibly be.
Next season it all has to change. Arrogance and complacency must be turned into hunger and hard work. That's the only way we're getting out of that league.
As yet, absolutely nothing has happened to put us on the right track. We've taken a few steps forward only to scuttle several yards back. There's still time, but it's running out. We're relying on Lerner to sell us, preferably to good people, and that doesn't fill me with any confidence.
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We are a side that seems to see graft and workrate as some sort of optional extras. You can see that if you look at the stats for total distance covered -if it isn't clear enough on a week (weak?) to week basis anyway.
How on earth are we just going to turn up and storm that league?
We need 5/6 new first team players minimum, and even that might only be enough to stop the rot.
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It will start off as a novelty for the bumpkins. Going to Villa Park, the Versaille of football, having 5000 Villa packing out their pokey little ground, but when we've won 9 of our first 10 and are smashing up all in sight, their eyes will quickly flicker to the next fixture after us for hope of better returns.
good luck with a 5000 allocation lol
Lololol.
There's a number of big allocations available; Wednesday, Blackburn, Preston, Reading, Fulham, Small Heath, Wolves, Wigan, Huddersfield etc.
small heath and wolves are 3k or under as are foresj and leeds. preston sometimes offer 6 usually 3, the rest are around 4, barring preston no one offers 5k
decent allocations but not great
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Which of those are 'pokey little grounds'?
All of them. Although Hillsborough is more pokey than small.
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Storm the league?
We are not equipped to be remotely competitive at the moment. How can there be any drive when there's no one pushing things forward? Hollis came in in December and we have made 0 progression in 5/6 months, absolutely nothing positive has happened unless you count some people getting sacked and not replaced a step forward.
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Which of those are 'pokey little grounds'?
All of them. Although Hillsborough is more pokey than small.
Substitute Villa supporters thinking that for Man United supporters and there would be a lot of folks getting hot under their collars on here, although I don't think you really mean what you said.
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A lot of this hubris reminds me of the build up to the Bradford games. We didn't learn anything from them.
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It will start off as a novelty for the bumpkins. Going to Villa Park, the Versaille of football, having 5000 Villa packing out their pokey little ground, but when we've won 9 of our first 10 and are smashing up all in sight, their eyes will quickly flicker to the next fixture after us for hope of better returns.
good luck with a 5000 allocation lol
Lololol.
There's a number of big allocations available; Wednesday, Blackburn, Preston, Reading, Fulham, Small Heath, Wolves, Wigan, Huddersfield etc.
small heath and wolves are 3k or under as are foresj and leeds. preston sometimes offer 6 usually 3, the rest are around 4, barring preston no one offers 5k
decent allocations but not great
It was a number plucked from the air, but Boro had the entire lower tier of the Flabby End the other night. They'd probably not be allowed to give us that. The Wolves give you 3200 on the side and the upper and lower black seats in the north bonk. Preston give you all behind the goal if you want it. Blackburn give you 7000 if you want it. Wednesday give you all the Leppings Lane if you want it. Fulham give you over 5000, again, if you want it. Wigan give you 5400, you get the point.
There's lots of good, big allocations to be had.
Edited for Samsung and it's amusing autocorrect.
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There's lots of food, big allocations to be had.
Already looking forward to a Wigan pie.
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Which of those are 'pokey little grounds'?
All of them. Although Hillsborough is more pokey than small.
Substitute Villa supporters thinking that for Man United supporters and there would be a lot of folks getting hot under their collars on here, although I don't think you really mean what you said.
I mean it all. Small shit clubs not worthy to play in the same league as us, but here we all are anyway.
The idea that we're arrogant is laughable; timid and clueless is what the owner, managers and playing staff have been for years. Too afraid of Villa Park to be any good there. Pathetic.
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I bet those 'small, shit clubs' aren't exactly trembling at the thought of having to play Aston Villa twice next season. Just of interest, who are all the 'small, shit clubs' you speak of?
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The other 22 clubs. Somebody big will be playing in the dirt with us as well.
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In that case I hope we're better prepared for the 44 cup finals we'll be playing than we were for the last one we played in.
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Misconception. Nobody in the top flight, other than maybe their local rivals wants to play at Old Trafford or the Council House or Stamford Bridge. Your one game wonders maybe, with their mega store bags chock full of mass produced tat, bells on their jester hats muffled by the polyester fibres of their half and half scarfs, iPhones flashing everytime somebody takes a corner- they might enjoy the experience. But supporters don't. Getting beat and paying over the odds for it too. Ergh.
Fewer day trippers in there. Only the Noses will look forward to playing us in the spring of 2017.
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Arrogance must be earned. A nice history and a big ground is utterly meaningless if you're not constantly striving for excellence, if you're not absolutely vigilant about getting things right. The likes of Man United have earned their arrogance, because they insure against miserable failure with hard work.
Our owner has been arrogant in thinking he knew best, in doing nothing when the whole world of football could see we needed competent people at board level. Too many players have been arrogant in strolling around the pitch. Getting fat. Going on the piss and the gas. Worshipping money and image over achievement. Regularly turning up against 'smaller' clubs and getting run ragged.
It's arrogance alright, but it's totally misplaced. Take that kind of hubris into the Championship and we'll be taken down a peg or two, without a doubt.
Edit: and teams don't want to play at OT or the Etihad because the home teams generally win there. Our record at Villa Park has been astoundingly shit for years.
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I think you're talking about the absence of discipline. We have none in our methods or our work ethic. We lack the discipline to adhere to any principles, to practice rudimentary functionality; we cannot even contrive to play percentage football with Gestede up top. We strive for nothing because we're full of craven men too foolish to value a lump that can head it and the idea that free kicks or corners or byline crossing may have been of some use.
We need arrogance and brutality. Leicester have discipline and they run you ragged with it. They play simple and obvious football. I can't tell you what we do, but whatever we're attempting with our tempoless meandering is not the product of hubris.
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No, I'm not. i'm talking about arrogance. We can only be arrogant when we've earned the right. Scoring one goal a year and posting 'that's for the haterz' is the very definition of misplaced arrogance.
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We will agree to disagree then.
Edit: it's interesting to see strongly held convictions in the greatness of the institution and that a great entity needs true believers to power it and the perception of that as arrogance. Further, to see that used as a pejorative and worse, blamed as the root cause of our demise.
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Belief is useless without application. We are a great institution, but wallowing in our past achievements doesn't win football matches.
We're like the hard man of the estate who's returned after 10 years in the nick. We still think we're pretty handy, but we've been playing Xbox and watching telly for a decade while every scrote on the estate has been working out and scrapping their way up. Now they're queuing up outside to give us a pasting.
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Football is a simple game, admittedly we need a number of new players and I believe we will get them and a new manager . Then we educate our new team into who we are, and introduce steel into this team,
Our boys go out on to the pitch "we royally support them, and crush all before us"
NO RESPECT and hefty amounts of Arrogance, But the belief has got to run through the club, as fast as Tony Daley.
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Belief is useless without application. We are a great institution, but wallowing in our past achievements doesn't win football matches.
We're like the hard man of the estate who's returned after 10 years in the nick. We still think we're pretty handy, but we've been playing Xbox and watching telly for a decade while every scrote on the estate has been working out and scrapping their way up. Now they're queuing up outside to give us a pasting.
good post, so we must get the right manager in and hungry players, to go with our young skilful players we already have.
the deadwood of course is a stumbling bloke as they are our senior players and we need shot of them , ie lescott bacuna, gabby, Richards and richardson
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I think we could easily get promoted, or just as easily be lower table. The ability is there. The missing players in key positions, confidence and professionalism, will arrive (or not) when the new manager turns up
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We have been mentally and physically weak for a few years now.
The amount of late goals we have shipped for half a decade isn't coincidence, nor the regular canings by lower league sides in the cups.
You don't all that around in 12 weeks, or however long it is between the Arsenal game and our first game in the second division.
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Paddy Power has installed Aston Villa as the 13-2 favourites to win the 2016-2017 Skybet Championship. For those of you not familiar with betting, it means if you put a £50 stake on Villa, you will lose £50.
It'll be 5000-1 at Christmas
Skybet:
Champions - 12/1
Promotion - 7/2
Top 6 - 6/4
Relegation. - 10/1
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we'll clinch the title at the Sty.
Oh my, I have the excitement of being a Villan flowing through my bones again
My my, someone fetch a priest, you can't say no to the Beauty and the Beast.
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I mean it all. Small shit clubs not worthy to play in the same league as us, but here we all are anyway.
The idea that we're arrogant is laughable;
Interesting juxtaposition
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Right now, with the lack of progress on the sale and managerial appointment, I would say we are more likely to be relegated than promoted.
I appreciate it's not the end of the season yet, but things have gone ominously quiet (yes too quiet Brian). If we still have this status quo come July then I think we could be in deep trouble.
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If Lerner can't sell and makes a crazy managerial appointment we will be scrapping to avoid league 1, if he can't sell and appoints a steady solid manager like Bruce/McCarthy with little money maybe mid table, if he sells and new owners make a positive appointment with some player investment then top 6 is possible.
So no chance of the top two then for you? I think McCarthy would have us banging on the door, at that level I think he's a good manager.
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Much as I dislike him, I think Pearson would get us out the Championship door and back into the PL, as opposed to just banging on it.
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Much as I dislike him, I think Pearson would get us out the Championship door and back into the PL, as opposed to just banging on it.
So do I and I've never had any issues with Pearson as a possibly manager only than it might have been a short thing more than a bigger picture kind of deal. To be fair to Macarthy he's got two clubs out of that divsion in the past and I for one think he's done a good job at Ipswich considering where they were when he took over.
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It's arrogance alright, but it's totally misplaced. Take that kind of hubris into the Championship and we'll be taken down a peg or two, without a doubt.
Agreed. If we go down thinking we are too good for Division 2 we will quickly find out that we are not good enough for Division 2.
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The squad as it stands isn't good enough to blitz that division. If Lerner hasn't sold up, we won't be spending big money so any notion that we'll walk it is hugely misplaced.
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As it stands at the moment I'd snap your hand off for a play-off spot. I don't think we'd be better placed than the other 2 teams who come down with us, and there's also going to be one of Brighton or Middlesbrough probably still down there.
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As it stands at the moment I'd snap your hand off for a play-off spot. I don't think we'd be better placed than the other 2 teams who come down with us, and there's also going to be one of Brighton or Middlesbrough probably still down there.
Having watched plenty of the SKY coverage of the Championship this season, we would struggle against all of the current top 6
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I bet we lose to Wigan at home.
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As it stands at the moment I'd snap your hand off for a play-off spot. I don't think we'd be better placed than the other 2 teams who come down with us, and there's also going to be one of Brighton or Middlesbrough probably still down there.
Having watched plenty of the SKY coverage of the Championship this season, we would struggle against all of the current top 6
I don't know, the likes of Steve Sidwell are doing well at the top of the second tier. He wasn't getting a sniff at Stoke. But others like Downing who think they will walk it and don't bother getting fit struggle.
Don't get me wrong as we are currently we would fall like Fulham. But get in some leaders on the pitch and sideline and the likes of Grealish, Amavi, Ayew should stand out.
I wouldn't be chasing out the likes of Hutton, Clark, Westwood, Gestede. All have had poor seasons but are solid enough characters and should be capable of holding their own in the right set up. Steer, Baker and Gardner should be brought back into the mix too.
Getting rid of the rest will take some doing- Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Cissokho, Lescott, Bennett, Sanchez, Sinclair, Kozak, Flabby. Never want to see any of them in a Villa shirt again but easier said than done.
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The last time we were in this division, under Sir Graham, we didn't win a home game in the league until October and recorded only 9 all season. Can you imagine the grief SGT would have had if H&V had been around at that point? The away wins were the reason we got up, going to grounds like Gay Meadow, Elm Park, Boothferry and of course, The Swindon County Ground with swathes of fans urging the Villa on. It's going to be a right old slog from August 6th and, if we are anywhere near the play offs come next May, it will have been a massive turn around in fortunes. To suggest that Villa can arrogantly take the division by storm is delusions of grandeur I'm afraid.
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The last time we were in this division, under Sir Graham, we didn't win a home game in the league until October and recorded only 9 all season. Can you imagine the grief SGT would have had if H&V had been around at that point? The away wins were the reason we got up, going to grounds like Gay Meadow, Elm Park, Boothferry and of course, The Swindon County Ground with swathes of fans urging the Villa on. It's going to be a right old slog from August 6th and, if we are anywhere near the play offs come next May, it will have been a massive turn around in fortunes. To suggest that Villa can arrogantly take the division by storm is delusions of grandeur I'm afraid.
PEDANT ALERT - we only won at two of those away grounds.
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I know we lost at Hull fairly early on and drew at Swindon on the last day.
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Arrogance is what's done us these last few years. That and complacency. We've drifted into nothingness because we thought everything would be alright. But we're as far from alright as we could possibly be.
I like your posts, Jimbo, but there is something to be said about strutting around like the cock of the walk even after all of this mess; it winds up stripeys and noses something spectacular. It's the thing that presses their buttons about the Villa, and every opportunity should be taken when in their presence to remind them that we're the only show in town, no matter which league we're playing in.
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Most of us are English and we're all Villa. Our neighbours and rivals already think we're arrogant, so why disappoint?
Cowardice and meek behaviour has got us into this mess, being humble won't get us out.
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no we have to enter every arena with a devil-may-care, fuck the fuckers attitude.
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It's arrogance alright, but it's totally misplaced. Take that kind of hubris into the Championship and we'll be taken down a peg or two, without a doubt.
Agreed. If we go down thinking we are too good for Division 2 we will quickly find out that we are not good enough for Division 2.
Perfectly put.
We can do our strutting when we're top of the league, and not before, otherwise we'll look like Liam Gallagher: shit music for 20 years, and walking around in a silly anorak like a cross between John Lennon and Genghis Khan.
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I'm a Seattle Sounders supporter and probably won't post here again, as it's your club (though I really like the Villa), but Villa shouldn't go out on the pitch with the mentality of "We're better than all the rest in the league just by existing", but the mentality of "We're going to beat the other bastards today come hell or high water".
Wishing you well next Season,
Daniel.
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Welcome Daniel.
Stick around, we're an honest bunch of cads.
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I'm a Seattle Sounders supporter and probably won't post here again, as it's your club (though I really like the Villa), but Villa shouldn't go out on the pitch with the mentality of "We're better than all the rest in the league just by existing", but the mentality of "We're going to beat the other bastards today come hell or high water".
Wishing you well next Season,
Daniel.
You're more than welcome to stick around Daniel. We accept all sorts round here, except Stoke supporters.
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Am I right in thinking that Wednesday were relegated from the PL in 2000? Seeing them win tonight just made me wonder again how long it can take to get back if the club is in a shit state from top to bottom.
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Am I right in thinking that Wednesday were relegated from the PL in 2000? Seeing them win tonight just made me wonder again how long it can take to get back if the club is in a shit state from top to bottom.
Yes.
I well remember the game against them at VP just before Christmas in the year of 1999 Anno Domini in which Dion Dublin broke his neck when we scored. The game was portrayed in the media as a relegation 6 pointer.
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Am I right in thinking that Wednesday were relegated from the PL in 2000? Seeing them win tonight just made me wonder again how long it can take to get back if the club is in a shit state from top to bottom.
16 years including being owned by the likes of Milan Mandaric and Ken Bates. I'd say that was pretty good going.
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Benitez looks likely to stay at Newcastle, and they are suggesting they will spend money.
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I'm a Seattle Sounders supporter and probably won't post here again, as it's your club (though I really like the Villa), but Villa shouldn't go out on the pitch with the mentality of "We're better than all the rest in the league just by existing", but the mentality of "We're going to beat the other bastards today come hell or high water".
Wishing you well next Season,
Daniel.
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You're more than welcome to stick around Daniel. We accept all sorts round here, except Stoke supporters.
I said months ago about how we should approach the championship - show no respect, and a shed load of arrogance, we need to destroy all before us.
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Am I right in thinking that Wednesday were relegated from the PL in 2000? Seeing them win tonight just made me wonder again how long it can take to get back if the club is in a shit state from top to bottom.
Yes.
I well remember the game against them at VP just before Christmas in the year of 1999 Anno Domini in which Dion Dublin broke his neck when we scored. The game was portrayed in the media as a relegation 6 pointer.
1 win in 11 going into that game, 1-0 at home to Bradford. We lost only 2 more league games all season. Saints away in March and Manure at home last day of the season.
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Benitez looks likely to stay at Newcastle, and they are suggesting they will spend money.
Weird as Ashley himself said there was nothing left after the spending in Jan , more likely his Rafa will be allowed to spend what he brings in from sales.To be fair they have a few decent players to raise cash from.
Kind related news but Secret footballer on Twitter is tweeting to say Norwich are in financial in the shit after relegation
Secret Footballer @TSF 8m8 minutes ago
Norwich City are in financial crisis. I've heard there will be an imminent fire sale of players.
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Secret Footballer @TSF 7m7 minutes ago
They've lost main sponsors Aviva - who will become a Premier League official partner. The club's banking credit facility is maxed out.
Secret Footballer @TSF 8m8 minutes ago
The owners won't be investing and there is a process underway to remove current owners before new foreign investors come in.
Would help us if one of the other relegated teams is in a bad way
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Watching the Newcastle fans on Sunday at St James. That was incredible. I started watching without about 4minutes of the Villa game left, great choice to switch. And have you seen the new rant from that Geordie mush re relegation? Probably took off U Tube by now. Absolute quality.
The geordie fans, obviously buoyed by smashing the Flids 5-1, are all unanimously singing and Barry bannering for Rafa to stay. Showed a lot about what we been missing at Villa, and was extremely commendable. Went on for a good 15 minutes after the game
Most excited we got on Sunday was getting a fuckin corner.
Still, UTV.
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Watching the Newcastle fans on Sunday at St James. That was incredible. I started watching without about 4minutes of the Villa game left, great choice to switch. And have you seen the new rant from that Geordie mush re relegation? Probably took off U Tube by now. Absolute quality.
The geordie fans, obviously buoyed by smashing the Flids 5-1, are all unanimously singing and Barry bannering for Rafa to stay. Showed a lot about what we been missing at Villa, and was extremely commendable. Went on for a good 15 minutes after the game
Most excited we got on Sunday was getting a fuckin corner.
Still, UTV.
Please don't use terms like "flids" when posting.
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Why, that's what I call Tottenham fans?
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Not on here you don't.
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Why, that's what I call Tottenham fans?
Just to be clear, any more offensive language like that, or "cocksucker", which you used elsewhere, or anything similar and you're banned.
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Just ban him. He lowers the tone on every thread anyway.
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Just ban him. He lowers the tone on every thread anyway.
Agreed. He offers nothing in terms of value to any topic being discussed. We can deal with differing viewpoints but when someone is going out of their way to be outright obnoxious then there's no need for them to be here.
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He's surpassed himself this time. Insulting Jewish AND disabled people in a single word? Impressive.
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Just ban him. He lowers the tone on every thread anyway.
Agreed. He offers nothing in terms of value to any topic being discussed. We can deal with differing viewpoints but when someone is going out of their way to be outright obnoxious then there's no need for them to be here.
I didn't know what the term meant - looked it up.
Seems to refer to someone like my son who can't now attend his beloved Villa because of his flidness
Horrible word
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To make it clear, I don't believe he says it with malice. Without wishing to sound too smug, he is "maladjusted" and will inadvertently end up causing repeated offence.
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Ah those were the days....I rember being at a game at VP back in the day when we were playing Spurs and they took the lead to euphoria from their following in front of the North Stand.A particularly irate Villa supporter sitting behind me took issue with this with the reposte "You lot can fucking shut up at least I have a foreskin'.
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Dyer >:(
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Eh?
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It is odd the way the level intended offence has to be abstracted from language. The word used offensively in this instance was in common and frequent use in my parents' devout Methodist home meaning a tantrum or a display of silly temper. "Your sister has been sent to bed. She had a f*id because her toast was burned."
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Watching the Newcastle fans on Sunday at St James. That was incredible. I started watching without about 4minutes of the Villa game left, great choice to switch. And have you seen the new rant from that Geordie mush re relegation? Probably took off U Tube by now. Absolute quality.
The geordie fans, obviously buoyed by smashing the Flids 5-1, are all unanimously singing and Barry bannering for Rafa to stay. Showed a lot about what we been missing at Villa, and was extremely commendable. Went on for a good 15 minutes after the game
Most excited we got on Sunday was getting a fuckin corner.
Still, UTV.
Of all the things to knock, our quality away support isn't one of them. Meanwhile a week earlier the Geordie nation were as quiet as church mice.
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As an aside, I'm watching Keegan on Sporting Heroes on sky and I've always loved the blokes passion.
He's talking about leaders in the dressing room and how the ones he had Adams, Schmeichel, shearer would often call players out at half time before he had even started to speak. You can't underestimate how much we have lacked in this department for far too long.
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It's often quoted and, is mainly correct that, you don't get relegated in one game, its over the season. I think Newcastle's inability to beat us last week proved the exception rather than the rule.
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Daily Heil are reporting in last hour that Rafa is staying at Newcastle.
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Well Mike must have offered him a sum of money that makes Croesus weep, together with the usual gigantic 'war chest'.
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We shouldn't worry too much about Newcastle next season. They are already miles ahead of us.
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That's the spirit.
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Yes, quite. Sort our own mess out first.
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No idea at present how we will cope next season. Have to wait and see re new Manager and recruitment.
However, I have noticed that it is 80 years since the club suffered it's first ever Relegation in 1936. Back then it took 2 seasons to get back to the First Division . Just in time for the WW2 kick off in '39!
This last one is the 6th relegation and I would like to see the club back in the top division before I depart this world.
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Nelson, I posted before that my daughter rang me and asked how many times the Villa had been relegated? I told her, and I've seen them all bar the 1936 one.
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Nelson, I posted before that my daughter rang me and asked how many times the Villa had been relegated? I told her, and I've seen them all bar the 1936 one.
So it's you then...you're a bloody jinx
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Nelson, I posted before that my daughter rang me and asked how many times the Villa had been relegated? I told her, and I've seen them all bar the 1936 one.
So it's you then...you're a bloody jinx
You're right. I got made redundant and then got a phone call from a place asking me would I be interested in helping them out freelance for a couple of weeks. I was there three months and it was looking good; although it was a 130 mile round trip commute each day (3 days a week). I could have imagined a permanent position then, wallop! the place went belly-up and closed. I've changed my name to Jonah.
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Now Lerner has gone I think we will go straight back up, hopefully as Champions. Although beating Newcastle in the playoff final to go up would be hilarious.
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I'm looking much more forward to the championship campaign now.
Under Lerner I was dreading it as the negativity around the club and on the pitch was still going to be there.
Now we can appoint a decent manager and give him good resources to get on with the job.
Top 6 minimum and with the expected budget we should be pushing Newcastle for the title.
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Although beating Newcastle in the playoff final to go up would be hilarious.
Ultimately, yes. I would much rather win the league convincingly though, rather than have the stress and pressure of a playoff final.
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With a competent board, decent management structure and the essential 'war chest' spent wisely, we should be back up n this time next year.
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Although beating Newcastle in the playoff final to go up would be hilarious.
Ultimately, yes. I would much rather win the league convincingly though, rather than have the stress and pressure of a playoff final.
I want us to avoid the play offs at all costs, I'd take second quite gladly. If we do finish as runners up though, I hope we bin the stupid trophy you get for it.
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The players situation is such a mess at the moment and I think reaching the play offs would be the best that we can expect. In a division where Newcastle will surely be fancied, along with Norwich and Brighton sides, that have players experienced in promotion campaigns, it's going to be very difficult to finish in the top 2.
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How I'm feeling now? 100 goals, 100 points.