It is like when a glimmer of hope or optimism begins to form it sets off a siren somewhere so god can put a stop to it immediately. We are going to end up like Accrington Stanley if we go on like this for much longer.
The Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club.
Sale of the club? BL to advise on the football matters? Not all bad then? Maybe Moyes wants assurances and is aware of the sale?
The Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club.
Hold the phone, this is new isn't it? I don't mean to go all TBAR but that does sound like something is bubbling
No mention of Bevington in all this
The Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club.
Hold the phone, this is new isn't it? I don't mean to go all TBAR but that does sound like something is bubbling
My first guess (and it's literally nothing more than a hunch) is that Moyes is prepared to join but that Lerner won't sanction the salary.
The Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club.
Hold the phone, this is new isn't it? I don't mean to go all TBAR but that does sound like something is bubbling
But why would they quit now? Why not wait until it's sold?
This page about to be updated - http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5505676,00.htmlChrist, they can't even get the date right!
Their voices / opinions not being heard I wonder or we've been sold?
Just when we thought we could have a period of reassessment and relief this happens. I see the 'sale negotiations' and it's just worries me. There has always been a concern in my mind that as things got worse and Randy came under more pressure, he might just say 'stuff it' and get rid to whoever will have it. This would suggest that Bernstein and King were party to and not happy with the negotiation process. I'm dreading news.This was also my reaction to some news that I regard as very bad for the club.
Dickinson has tweeted that King made his decision due to 'recent communications between the owner and the football board'. Dickinson's quotes, not mine.
Yes.My first guess (and it's literally nothing more than a hunch) is that Moyes is prepared to join but that Lerner won't sanction the salary.
I wouldn't say it's his salary, more like his budget.
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BBC Sport guy tweeted it. Obviously been given to him by Bernstein(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/13002502_10154141968388055_6695676753187295295_o.jpg)'kinell...how have you got hold of that?
Dickinson has tweeted that King made his decision due to 'recent communications between the owner and the football board'. Dickinson's quotes, not mine.
My first guess (and it's literally nothing more than a hunch) is that Moyes is prepared to join but that Lerner won't sanction the salary.
What is/was "the agreed structure"?
Honestly, this news comes as more of a blow to me than saturday's confirmation of relegation. Without drastic changes over the next couple of months, we're going to be in footballing purgatory for quite some time.Agree, I actually thought we were getting our act together and that a new and appropriate manager would be announced soon. Instead we have more uncertainty and delay.
Radio WM just said Hollis is in advanced talks to sell the club.....
Radio WM just said Hollis is in advanced talks to sell the club.....
You couldn't write this as a sitcom script.....
Just said on Sky that they had a chance to appoint a manager swiftly and it wasn't taken.
Bet it was Moyes
Honestly, this news comes as more of a blow to me than saturday's confirmation of relegation. Without drastic changes over the next couple of months, we're going to be in footballing purgatory for quite some time.
Just said on Sky that they had a chance to appoint a manager swiftly and it wasn't taken.
Bet it was Moyes
Did King only come on board because he is friends with Bernstein - might explain why he has gone as well but Little and Bevington stay in situ.Sky just said Bevington was thought to be leaving too
if the club is to be sold soonBut why, as fans of the club, would they resign in such dramatic fashion? If it was due to a sale they would wait for it to happen and step down gracefully with a job well done as some sheikh pumps a billion quid into the club.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
Not sure if it was already posted but can we read anything into what Bevington tweeted yesterdayGood spot.
"Without supporters, clubs are nothing. Those of us privileged to work in football should never lose sight of that."
if the club is to be sold soonThat is not the resignation letter of someone who is merely going to be replaced.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
if the club is to be sold soonBut why, as fans of the club, would they resign in such dramatic fashion? If it was due to a sale they would wait for it to happen and step down gracefully with a job well done as some sheikh pumps a billion quid into the club.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
I dread to see what c***s this clown will sell us to just to get rid.
if the club is to be sold soonThat is not the resignation letter of someone who is merely going to be replaced.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
I might be being naive here, but how the fuck have the media for hold of those letters? What the fuck is going on?
I doubt he cares now he's had 10s of millions wiped of the value of the club. Look at Leeds, Charlton and Blues owners for example.I dread to see what c***s this clown will sell us to just to get rid.
Could it be any worse...really?
Having said that, the General did say that when the time was right Randy will be selling to a suitable custodian. So with that knowledge I can sleep easily.
if the club is to be sold soonBut why, as fans of the club, would they resign in such dramatic fashion? If it was due to a sale they would wait for it to happen and step down gracefully with a job well done as some sheikh pumps a billion quid into the club.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
I don't know mate
probably feel they had been bought in to do a job then Randy finds someone interested and everything's put on hold, you can't work like that so they resigned
one thing is for certain they are talking to an interested buyer they have confirmed it, that's the biggest news in that statement if it comes off
the buyer might be a right chump, but hey people want rid of Lerner do get there wish
probably feel they had been bought in to do a job then Randy finds someone interested and everything's put on hold, you can't work like that so they resigned
The key comment is in Bernstein's letter. There were football related decisions that he thought he had the autonomy to make given the structure put in place and that has been compromised - ie Lerner has overruled. That must be a financial decision as I don't think Lerner's interest in the club extends any further than that.King's letter is even more damning than Bernstein's, but it does not appear as if the sale is that far advanced.
if the club is to be sold soonBut why, as fans of the club, would they resign in such dramatic fashion? If it was due to a sale they would wait for it to happen and step down gracefully with a job well done as some sheikh pumps a billion quid into the club.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
I don't know mate
probably feel they had been bought in to do a job then Randy finds someone interested and everything's put on hold, you can't work like that so they resigned
one thing is for certain they are talking to an interested buyer they have confirmed it, that's the biggest news in that statement if it comes off
the buyer might be a right chump, but hey people want rid of Lerner do get there wish
The key comment is in Bernstein's letter. There were football related decisions that he thought he had the autonomy to make given the structure put in place and that has been compromised - ie Lerner has overruled. That must be a financial decision as I don't think Lerner's interest in the club extends any further than that.
I doubt he cares now he's had 10s of millions wiped of the value of the club. Look at Leeds, Charlton and Blues owners for example.I dread to see what c***s this clown will sell us to just to get rid.
Could it be any worse...really?
Having said that, the General did say that when the time was right Randy will be selling to a suitable custodian. So with that knowledge I can sleep easily.
I might be being naive here, but how the fuck have the media for hold of those letters? What the fuck is going on?
What the fuck is going on?
Looks like Lerner might be cutting his losses to me. Changes vetoed whilst he hits the fire sale button.
He's sold the ground and negotiated a ground share with someone
My guess is there is no money to spend, they aren't allowed to get the manager they want, or have the clear out and recruitment we need. This has probably been confirmed by randy following relegation and they see themselves as little more than puppets to Randy rather than being able to take any action.
It doesn't sit right. Why do such a public resignation if Randy has a buyer?
Looks like Lerner might be cutting his losses to me. Changes vetoed whilst he hits the fire sale button.
It's clear to all concerned he needs to get the fuck out of the club. If he's selling on the cheap so be it. I'll take my chances on the next bloke because this one is bananas.
Sadly I think this hits the nail....My guess is there is no money to spend, they aren't allowed to get the manager they want, or have the clear out and recruitment we need. This has probably been confirmed by randy following relegation and they see themselves as little more than puppets to Randy rather than being able to take any action.
Sadly this sounds the most likely explanation.
My guess is there is no money to spend, they aren't allowed to get the manager they want, or have the clear out and recruitment we need. This has probably been confirmed by randy following relegation and they see themselves as little more than puppets to Randy rather than being able to take any action.
Sadly this sounds the most likely explanation.
obviously not far off being sold then Im thinkingBut still far enough away for him to inflict further damage I'd wager.
if the club is to be sold soonBut why, as fans of the club, would they resign in such dramatic fashion? If it was due to a sale they would wait for it to happen and step down gracefully with a job well done as some sheikh pumps a billion quid into the club.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
I don't know mate
probably feel they had been bought in to do a job then Randy finds someone interested and everything's put on hold, you can't work like that so they resigned
one thing is for certain they are talking to an interested buyer they have confirmed it, that's the biggest news in that statement if it comes off
the buyer might be a right chump, but hey people want rid of Lerner do get there wish
obviously not far off being sold then Im thinkingMy thinking is it is brand new interest, albeit serious. Every chance of falling through I would have thought.
Looks like Lerner might be cutting his losses to me. Changes vetoed whilst he hits the fire sale button.
It's clear to all concerned he needs to get the fuck out of the club. If he's selling on the cheap so be it. I'll take my chances on the next bloke because this one is bananas.
I try very much not to be overly critical or hysterical when it comes to a guy who has put so much personal wealth into the club, but fuck me the man is genuinely bananas. His decision making and odd, ill timed input etc, is frankly weird.
if the club is to be sold soonBut why, as fans of the club, would they resign in such dramatic fashion? If it was due to a sale they would wait for it to happen and step down gracefully with a job well done as some sheikh pumps a billion quid into the club.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
I don't know mate
probably feel they had been bought in to do a job then Randy finds someone interested and everything's put on hold, you can't work like that so they resigned
one thing is for certain they are talking to an interested buyer they have confirmed it, that's the biggest news in that statement if it comes off
the buyer might be a right chump, but hey people want rid of Lerner do get there wish
So I take it that you're happy to keep this useless, want-away loser to continue being our owner then? I wouldn't wish him on Small Heath or The Bitters quite frankly.
What the fuck is going on?
There's a good book and film in all this....
Pearson no longer odds on for the job.Be thankful for small mercies.
There's a good book and film in all this....
Pearson no longer odds on for the job.
Fucking bollocks.
You know, after 5 years of abject shit on the pitch, 1 great day out at Wembley and numerous fuck ups, the one thing that I thought the club had done really well in was getting these guys into the club. Hollis appeared like he knew what he wanted to do and there was a chance of actually acting like a fucking football club, not a complete shambles. Then this.
What the fuck is Lerner up too? Doesn't want to be here, but is interfering with a structure he wanted to put in place.
I would love to hear straight up, no bull shit, exactly what the issues are and what they are doing, because this is just continuing the torture of the abject rotten cherry on the off, worm filled cake that has been the last 5 fucking years.
obviously not far off being sold then Im thinkingBut still far enough away for him to inflict further damage I'd wager.
if the club is to be sold soonBut why, as fans of the club, would they resign in such dramatic fashion? If it was due to a sale they would wait for it to happen and step down gracefully with a job well done as some sheikh pumps a billion quid into the club.
New club new board
and that's the top and bottom of it
I don't know mate
probably feel they had been bought in to do a job then Randy finds someone interested and everything's put on hold, you can't work like that so they resigned
one thing is for certain they are talking to an interested buyer they have confirmed it, that's the biggest news in that statement if it comes off
the buyer might be a right chump, but hey people want rid of Lerner do get there wish
So I take it that you're happy to keep this useless, want-away loser to continue being our owner then? I wouldn't wish him on Small Heath or The Bitters quite frankly.
Depends who we get don't it
The sale thing is just a smoke screen to take some of the sting out of it.
There's no misinterpreting those resignation letters.
This club is an absolute laughing stock, a shambles.
The sooner this c*** sells up, the better.
There's a good book and film in all this....You know, I've been thinking this over the weekend. A well written book would be snapped up by not only Villa fans, but the wider football community, and also business people. The premise being "How not to....."
The sale thing is just a smoke screen to take some of the sting out of it.
There's no misinterpreting those resignation letters.
This club is an absolute laughing stock, a shambles.
The sooner this c*** sells up, the better.
It's amazing how we can all read what's going on in different ways
To me it's obvious that Lerner has bombed the new boards plans by telling them he's found a buyer
Time will tell I suppose
There was no mention of a possible sale in the accounts. A very quick turn around if there has been a change. The resignation letters don't hint that one is imminent, and they point the finger at one person. He needs to fuck off as far as possible from our club.
obviously not far off being sold then Im thinkingMy thinking is it is brand new interest, albeit serious. Every chance of falling through I would have thought.
God forbid we end up with somebody even more pathetically inadequate than Lerner.
The sale thing is just a smoke screen to take some of the sting out of it.
There's no misinterpreting those resignation letters.
This club is an absolute laughing stock, a shambles.
The sooner this c*** sells up, the better.
It's amazing how we can all read what's going on in different ways
To me it's obvious that Lerner has bombed the new boards plans by telling them he's found a buyer
Time will tell I suppose
It just doesn't happen that way. Finding a credible, qualified, realistic buyer takes time, and then some to close a deal. Bernstein and King would have know about it were such a buyer in the wings. We can hope ... but thats all it is.
I wonder if Randy has reduced the price but decided to take the £40mill parachute payments with him, hence no budget being set yet and no Manager will yet agree to come in until the budget is sorted.
Anyone got a link to the resignation letters?
The sale thing is just a smoke screen to take some of the sting out of it.
There's no misinterpreting those resignation letters.
This club is an absolute laughing stock, a shambles.
The sooner this c*** sells up, the better.
It's amazing how we can all read what's going on in different ways
To me it's obvious that Lerner has bombed the new boards plans by telling them he's found a buyer
Time will tell I suppose
Anyone got a link to the resignation letters?
Please?
Duo depart.
It is with regret that Aston Villa Football Club today announces the resignations of Mervyn King and David Bernstein as directors of the Club.
The Club would like to thank both for all their efforts throughout their short time as members of the Board.
A search to appoint a new manager remains a priority.
The Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club.
Brian Little will continue to advise the Chairman on all football related matters.
The sale thing is just a smoke screen to take some of the sting out of it.
There's no misinterpreting those resignation letters.
This club is an absolute laughing stock, a shambles.
The sooner this c*** sells up, the better.
It's amazing how we can all read what's going on in different ways
To me it's obvious that Lerner has bombed the new boards plans by telling them he's found a buyer
Time will tell I suppose
So why the quite bitter resignations?
Doesn't stack up.
Pretty incredible stuff, though, gets bored, pretends we don't exist, finally appoints board, almost all of whom then resign inside a couple of weeks.
What an idiot.
It's like he's going out of his way to destroy us.
obviously not far off being sold then Im thinkingMy thinking is it is brand new interest, albeit serious. Every chance of falling through I would have thought.
I reckon its not far off being sold
but no idea why these two would leave
maybe agbonlahor has to stay in the deal
eThe sale thing is just a smoke screen to take some of the sting out of it.
There's no misinterpreting those resignation letters.
This club is an absolute laughing stock, a shambles.
The sooner this c*** sells up, the better.
It's amazing how we can all read what's going on in different ways
To me it's obvious that Lerner has bombed the new boards plans by telling them he's found a buyer
Time will tell I suppose
So why the quite bitter resignations?
Doesn't stack up.
Pretty incredible stuff, though, gets bored, pretends we don't exist, finally appoints board, almost all of whom then resign inside a couple of weeks.
What an idiot.
It's like he's going out of his way to destroy us.
If anybody had any remaining doubts that Randy Lerner is an utterly toxic presence, and that Aston Villa will never recover while he is associated with the club, then those doubts are gone.
Anyone got a link to the resignation letters?
Anyone got a link to the resignation letters?
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No need to read between the lines - King is blaming the Shunnamite.
The sale thing is just a smoke screen to take some of the sting out of it.
There's no misinterpreting those resignation letters.
This club is an absolute laughing stock, a shambles.
The sooner this c*** sells up, the better.
It's amazing how we can all read what's going on in different ways
To me it's obvious that Lerner has bombed the new boards plans by telling them he's found a buyer
Time will tell I suppose
So why the quite bitter resignations?
Doesn't stack up.
Pretty incredible stuff, though, gets bored, pretends we don't exist, finally appoints board, almost all of whom then resign inside a couple of weeks.
What an idiot.
It's like he's going out of his way to destroy us.
If he went out of his way to do that he'd probably fuck up and we'd actually recover a bit.
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No need to read between the lines - King is blaming the Shunnamite.
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No need to read between the lines - King is blaming the Shunnamite.
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No need to read between the lines - King is blaming the Shunnamite.
Thanks PWS...found them in the end.
We were warned by Cleveland Browns fans that Lerner was not a owner to be trusted - He is no business man and neither is he a reputable sports club owner with any acumen towards running big sporting organisations like the Villa and the Browns.
I hear that he changes his mind constantly and the bombshell today might just reinforce or support that info.
I remember the club being in turmoil back in the late 1960`s and this is beginning to take a similar direction.
We are in big trouble and the analogy of a rudderless ship is as apt as ever.
With experienced administrators and business men walking out so quickly after their appointments doesn`t bode well - it appears that the anarchy is not just in the dressing room.
I was probably one of Ellis`s biggest critics and I detested his arrogant running of the club, however he is now looking a half decent owner compared with Lerner .... I never dreamed I would say that. I am beginning to think that those on here labelled as pessemists in respect of Lerner as an owner have been proven right - i dread to think who he will eventually sell to.
All the mirth we have had following the exploits of the owners over at Small Heath may just come back to haunt us - imagine the parties they will be organising if we plunge further :(
I hope we get to hear a better explanation than the three line statement on Pravda before Saturday. The least we deserve is the truth.
We were warned by Cleveland Browns fans that Lerner was not a owner to be trusted - He is no business man and neither is he a reputable sports club owner with any acumen towards running big sporting organisations like the Villa and the Browns.You have perfectly summed up where my head is, VCTM.
I hear that he changes his mind constantly and the bombshell today might just reinforce or support that info.
I remember the club being in turmoil back in the late 1960`s and this is beginning to take a similar direction.
We are in big trouble and the analogy of a rudderless ship is as apt as ever.
With experienced administrators and business men walking out so quickly after their appointments doesn`t bode well - it appears that the anarchy is not just in the dressing room.
I was probably one of Ellis`s biggest critics and I detested his arrogant running of the club, however he is now looking a half decent owner compared with Lerner .... I never dreamed I would say that. I am beginning to think that those on here labelled as pessemists in respect of Lerner as an owner have been proven right - i dread to think who he will eventually sell to.
All the mirth we have had following the exploits of the owners over at Small Heath may just come back to haunt us - imagine the parties they will be organising if we plunge further :(
The Randy Lerner out campaign is just about to go into orbit.
If a sale is not concluded before Saturday's match against Southampton.....
There's no imminent sale. If there were, King and Bernstein would have left with a 'we're no longer needed' type statement. King more or less told everybody that the club can't move on until it's sold, which if it were just days away wouldn't have to be mentioned at all.
They've been on the board for what, four weeks? To leave so shortly and with such venom in their resignation letters confirms to me that everything is fucked.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
There's no imminent sale. If there were, King and Bernstein would have left with a 'we're no longer needed' type statement. King more or less told everybody that the club can't move on until it's sold, which if it were just days away wouldn't have to be mentioned at all.
They've been on the board for what, four weeks? To leave so shortly and with such venom in their resignation letters confirms to me that everything is fucked.
This.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.Well, he may not be skint but the family Trust tightened the noose around his nuts, didn't they? I suspect his room for spending is seriously limited.
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.
A billionaire skint?
One scenario could well be that negotiations to sell the club have reached an advanced stage where the prospective buyer insists on bringing in his own team, in which case if you're investing millions of pounds, this would not be unusual.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.
A billionaire skint?
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Fucks sake. I sat down for a 5 minute chill, thought I'd see if Moyes is on board (forever hopeful) and instead I feel like someone has punched me in the face.
What a absolute joker Learner is. For the first time in a long time I thought the penny had dropped on how to run a football club. I'm fucking fuming.
I think it's abundantly clear there's no takeover.
It does seem that they've made recommendations and they've been told no, in which case there's no point in them hanging around. It's just shambolic.
I think it's abundantly clear there's no takeover.
Without going back through the thread Paul why do you say that?
Maybe their methods were not to Gabby's liking.
Boracic lint. See Maxwell, Robert.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
It doesn't sit right. Why do such a public resignation if Randy has a buyer?
A week ago I advised supporters to start worrying when the resignations start. Well start worrying.I am not in the least bit surprised.We have a charlatan running our club,oh and they are not the first to resign unexpectedly are they?
Can't wait to see what revisionism crops up this time.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
I agree with him, it's got to that point.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Wow.
Anyone fancy a trip to the Hamptons?
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
It doesn't sit right. Why do such a public resignation if Randy has a buyer?
He doesn't, it's more Lerner and his cronies bullshit in my opinion, that's been thrown in there to muddy the waters and try and distract from another one of his cluster fucks. They are lying.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
What a shambles - does anyone know why?. We are rapidly becoming a poison chalice in every sense of the word, on the pitch, off the pitch, Boardroom the lot. Lerners absence at this time is a terrible indictment of his fitness to go anywhere near another sporting organisation.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.I agree. He is possibly suffering from cash flow issues despite being asset rich.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
Nice to see a positive post amongst an ocean of despair. I tend to agree. (although not the ageist remark)
That's the one, that'll do.Fucks sake. I sat down for a 5 minute chill, thought I'd see if Moyes is on board (forever hopeful) and instead I feel like someone has punched me in the face.
What a absolute joker Learner is. For the first time in a long time I thought the penny had dropped on how to run a football club. I'm fucking fuming.
Lerner!!! Oh I don't know, who cares..Learner it is.
This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
That's the one, that'll do.Fucks sake. I sat down for a 5 minute chill, thought I'd see if Moyes is on board (forever hopeful) and instead I feel like someone has punched me in the face.
What a absolute joker Learner is. For the first time in a long time I thought the penny had dropped on how to run a football club. I'm fucking fuming.
Lerner!!! Oh I don't know, who cares..Learner it is.
His running of a football club is quite compareable to my spelling of names. Useless.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
Nice to see a positive post amongst an ocean of despair. I tend to agree. (although not the ageist remark)
I think the nature of their departure is the biggest concern and that it suggests that we are in a very bad place.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
David Bernstein is an excellent appointment. We have a proper heavy weight football board now. Next fix the team.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
Nice to see a positive post amongst an ocean of despair. I tend to agree. (although not the ageist remark)
I think the nature of their departure is the biggest concern and that it suggests that we are in a very bad place.
Plus Bevington was brought in by his mate Bernstein so will also leave and Sir Brian, for all his qualities, is not exactly qualified to run a football club.
Hollis will go next, you just wait. I can't see how his position isn't untenable now unless he really, really likes Randy.
This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
Nice to see a positive post amongst an ocean of despair. I tend to agree. (although not the ageist remark)
I think the nature of their departure is the biggest concern and that it suggests that we are in a very bad place.
Plus Bevington was brought in by his mate Bernstein so will also leave and Sir Brian, for all his qualities, is not exactly qualified to run a football club.
Hollis will go next, you just wait. I can't see how his position isn't untenable now unless he really, really likes Randy.
He has probably got a couple of hundred thousand reasons to love him.
This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
OK you have caught me with my pants down. I just thought we need not despair couple of departures as there are plenty of other excellent candidates around. What's important is we find a new owners.I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
What a load of rubbish, what has their age got to do with anything?
In any case, what happened to:David Bernstein is an excellent appointment. We have a proper heavy weight football board now. Next fix the team.
Steve Hollis must be counting down the days until the club is sold. Then he can get out and return to normality!
Boracic lint. See Maxwell, Robert.
Cant believe that I had to Google that Brian !!
I wonder if Mr Lerner is a keen sailor like Mr Maxwell
You'd have to be pretty stupid to talk about organising a pitch invasion on a forum that I have little doubt the club will check, especially threads like this. They'll do the same on VT etc as well, any of the popular Villa sites, FB groups etc.
So you'd be safe talking about it on TBAR.
/baddumtish
Like it did when w got on the pitch after Albion game last year?This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
Be as peaceful as you like. You'll still end up on the end of a police caution and a banning order.
Like it did when w got on the pitch after Albion game last year?This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
Be as peaceful as you like. You'll still end up on the end of a police caution and a banning order.
Like it did when w got on the pitch after Albion game last year?This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
Be as peaceful as you like. You'll still end up on the end of a police caution and a banning order.
No, not like that at all.
As you can probably guess, clubs are likely to take different views between supporters celebrating a rare victory and disrupting matches to protest against the owner.
"It is clear that the sale of the the club to a new owner must be bought about as soon as possible "
That's very telling isn't it. Mervyn saying we have no chance with Lerner as an owner...
I think Lerner is skint. That is what is behind all this.
"It is clear that the sale of the the club to a new owner must be bought about as soon as possible "
That's very telling isn't it. Mervyn saying we have no chance with Lerner as an owner...
My take from both resignation letters is that Lerner has vetoed and blocked the implementation of the much needed reforms and restructuring that have been identified. He really is a stupid, stupid man.
Bernstein seems to be saying he has been stopped from doing what he was brought it in to do by the Owner. King agrees hence his "club needs a new owner asap".
I don't for 1 minute believe they resigned because of an imminent sale of the club. Until proven otherwise I think that is spin to deflect away from the shock resignations. Extensive negotiations do not mean a sale is going to happen. It is a very vague expression.
Bookies have drastically cut the odds on Villa dropping straight through to League 1. If Lerner is still the Owner next season this is a probability.
Just when you think things could not get any worse after relegation and we had a board structure in place for the first time in 10 years that gave hope for the future today happens.
And if those rumours are right about going because of Moyes not getting assurances all I can say is........Lerner you are a fuckin bluenose basted.
is this linked to krulak's reappearance on the board of late?
"It is clear that the sale of the the club to a new owner must be bought about as soon as possible "
That's very telling isn't it. Mervyn saying we have no chance with Lerner as an owner...
My take from both resignation letters is that Lerner has vetoed and blocked the implementation of the much needed reforms and restructuring that have been identified. He really is a stupid, stupid man.
Bernstein seems to be saying he has been stopped from doing what he was brought it in to do by the Owner. King agrees hence his "club needs a new owner asap".
I don't for 1 minute believe they resigned because of an imminent sale of the club. Until proven otherwise I think that is spin to deflect away from the shock resignations. Extensive negotiations do not mean a sale is going to happen. It is a very vague expression.
Bookies have drastically cut the odds on Villa dropping straight through to League 1. If Lerner is still the Owner next season this is a probability.
Just when you think things could not get any worse after relegation and we had a board structure in place for the first time in 10 years that gave hope for the future today happens.
Only catching up now.
Can we finally please park for once and for all the notion that Lerner is some sort of benevolent character who is either unlucky or badly advised. He is the root cause of the demise of a footballing institution.
Not so bothered about King as he made a mess of the Bank of England and was only appointed because he's a fan.
Only catching up now.
Can we finally please park for once and for all the notion that Lerner is some sort of benevolent character who is either unlucky or badly advised. He is the root cause of the demise of a footballing institution.
He's poison.
Pat Murphy just said we've dispensed with Merrill Lynch and Lerner would now happily take 75m for the club....so half of the perceived amount he wanted.
Pat Murphy just said we've dispensed with Merrill Lynch and Lerner would now happily take 75m for the club....so half of the perceived amount he wanted.
Murphy understands Moyes still fancies the job at Villa.
I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
Murphy reckons Lerner will sell for £75m. Apparently we'll dispensed with Merrill Lynch who were trying to find a buyer.
Pat Murphy just said we've dispensed with Merrill Lynch and Lerner would now happily take 75m for the club....so half of the perceived amount he wanted.Does anybody seriously think that somebody would offer £75m for us in our current state. A Championship club with players unfit for purpose no manager, no board, no managerial heirarchy close to anarchy in the changing rooms with the fans as discontent with the club as its possible to be.
I need to win the euromillions and fast
Only catching up now.
Can we finally please park for once and for all the notion that Lerner is some sort of benevolent character who is either unlucky or badly advised. He is the root cause of the demise of a footballing institution.
He's poison.
He is but at least he has seemingly reduced the asking price which is one of the things I've demanded for the last few weeks of him, it's something.
Surely they'll be a taker at 75m. We're at one of our lowest ebbs so surely a good opportunity for someone?
Like it did when w got on the pitch after Albion game last year?This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
Be as peaceful as you like. You'll still end up on the end of a police caution and a banning order.
I think all this just proves what a dangerous bastard Randy Lerner is and he should be nowhere near our football club.
Fair play to Bernstein and King resigning, making their letters public in an attempt to rid the club of the poison that is Lerner. Sadly nothing will change till he's gone. Let's hope these are his death throes.
Pat Murphy just said we've dispensed with Merrill Lynch and Lerner would now happily take 75m for the club....so half of the perceived amount he wanted.Does anybody seriously think that somebody would offer £75m for us in our current state. A Championship club with players unfit for purpose no manager, no board, no managerial heirarchy close to anarchy in the changing rooms with the fans as discontent with the club as its possible to be.
No businessman is going to offer anywhere near that.
Has there been an official statement? Sorry, just catching up....
OK you have caught me with my pants down. I just thought we need not despair couple of departures as there are plenty of other excellent candidates around. What's important is we find a new owners.I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
What a load of rubbish, what has their age got to do with anything?
In any case, what happened to:David Bernstein is an excellent appointment. We have a proper heavy weight football board now. Next fix the team.
Has there been an official statement? Sorry, just catching up....
Only catching up now.
Can we finally please park for once and for all the notion that Lerner is some sort of benevolent character who is either unlucky or badly advised. He is the root cause of the demise of a footballing institution.
He's poison.
He is but at least he has seemingly reduced the asking price which is one of the things I've demanded for the last few weeks of him, it's something.
Surely they'll be a taker at 75m. We're at one of our lowest ebbs so surely a good opportunity for someone?
You'd hope so. It's a gamble though, even at a cut price. If the outgoings can be brought into line with the reduced income, then promotion as in the case of clubs like Leicester will see a big windfall for owners, providing that they don't then blow it all on wages.
Brian's right though, Lerner is effectively skint. Obviously not skint as in rummaging down the back of the settee for change to pay the milkman, but his divorce, the financial crisis and Villa have taken every last bit of free cash he has, and now he's in the unenviable position of his investment being worth a third or less of what he's put in, but to get it back to being what he needs it to be worth, he'd need to spend cash he hasn't got. A bit like our league form, a vicious spiral which we show no signs of getting out of.
We are fucked.
Like it did when w got on the pitch after Albion game last year?This is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
Be as peaceful as you like. You'll still end up on the end of a police caution and a banning order.
Which was a great success - it was embarassing, cost the club money, made the fans look like idiots (they were), and ended up putting the club in more ridicule. The banning orders and arrests will follow
Let him do it, he deserves everything he getsThis is exactly what we should be doing.En masse and peacefully.I feel like the fans should occupy the pitch on Saturday and hold up the game.
And get us points deducted next season? I'd rather we didn't
I'm all for it. A bIt of direct action. It's bound to happen in some form or another. I'd got for a pitch invasion at Arsenal. Get it abandoned.
Sarcastic or are you being serious?
Serious.
Just to rub salt in the wound, add a pitch invasion / protest to the debacle. Whatever is happening at our club, I hope our supporters don't denegrate themselves by attempting such a stupid, pointless, and self defeating act. Our owners and administrators look like clowns and are the butt of much embarassment - lets hope Villa fans have a shred of integrity left.
Exactly. It's a fucking stupid suggestion.
Running onto another clubs pitch is not peaceful, it's idiotic.
You are quite right TV that Lerner and Aston Villa FC will be required reading at the LSE in years to come.
What is so intriguing is that if asset strippers had bought the club off Doug Ellis we would probably be in better shape than we are today. Lerner has behaved like a man desperate to ruin himself. Like a boy scout cutting off his own testicles so he can join the girl guides.
Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Nothing less it appearsJeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Well what did you expect?
Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Nothing less it appearsJeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Well what did you expect?
I know I'm not alone in this but, for the first time in my life I'm very, very frightened about the future existence of the Villa. Terrible, terrible times.My thoughts exactly dave.
Wow, just when I thought this season couldn't get any worse, back comes Lerner with another massive kick in the swingers.Ray Ranson's Volvo Estate spotted in B6
I doubt I have anything further to add to the many valid worries raised previously on this thread, but I dread to think of the kind of vultures that might be tempted out by such a slash to the asking price.
Nothing less it appearsJeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Well what did you expect?
There are two narratives going on-one of them falseNothing less it appearsJeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Well what did you expect?
I must say, if ever there was a time to indulge some pious outrage I think this may be it.
You are quite right TV that Lerner and Aston Villa FC will be required reading at the LSE in years to come.
What is so intriguing is that if asset strippers had bought the club off Doug Ellis we would probably be in better shape than we are today. Lerner has behaved like a man desperate to ruin himself. Like a boy scout cutting off his own testicles so he can join the girl guides.
What exactly is the pitch invasion meant to achieve, barring a few people being able to get their picture taken on the pitch and the potential for a points deduction?Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Was it the same in 1968? "Don't spray "Board Must Go", it's unsightly graffiti and very naughty"
What exactly is the pitch invasion meant to achieve, barring a few people being able to get their picture taken on the pitch and the potential for a points deduction?Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Was it the same in 1968? "Don't spray "Board Must Go", it's unsightly graffiti and very naughty"
Haha, you know I was going to caveat that by saying that I wasn't sure if points deductions could be carried over from different divisions or not!What exactly is the pitch invasion meant to achieve, barring a few people being able to get their picture taken on the pitch and the potential for a points deduction?Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Was it the same in 1968? "Don't spray "Board Must Go", it's unsightly graffiti and very naughty"
Not sure that a points deduction is much of a deterrent!
Count you in thenWhat exactly is the pitch invasion meant to achieve, barring a few people being able to get their picture taken on the pitch and the potential for a points deduction?Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Was it the same in 1968? "Don't spray "Board Must Go", it's unsightly graffiti and very naughty"
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
Perhaps they just really, really didn't like the changes to the badge.
This is all pretty shit news.A very sensible post and considered post.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
What exactly is the pitch invasion meant to achieve, barring a few people being able to get their picture taken on the pitch and the potential for a points deduction?Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Was it the same in 1968? "Don't spray "Board Must Go", it's unsightly graffiti and very naughty"
Perhaps they just really, really didn't like the changes to the badge.
Ultimatum about the hippo?
This is all pretty shit news.A very sensible post and considered post.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
It does fit with rumours that there was/is a buyer who was waiting for official confirmation of relegation as this would determine the final price for the club.
This is all pretty shit news.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
randy fuckin lerner.
I genuinely believed these two would be incredibly valuable going forward and in the better part of three months they jump off this sinking ship. They weren't exactly respectful in their resignations either. Instead of the predominant "Thanks for the opp, support blah blah.." it was, this owner is poison and the sooner he sells the better. Pretty damning assessment of Lerner from two gentlemen who have far better business credentials.
"Progress had stalled." makes me cringe. To think we were progressing in an aspect (aside from personnel hires) is unfathomable. I hate you Lerner.
I think I might start supporting Ossett Albion.
It's all alright. Just spoke to Jack Woodhall at the u21s and he says keep the faith....also said hasn't got a clue what's going on
It's all alright. Just spoke to Jack Woodhall at the u21s and he says keep the faith....also said hasn't got a clue what's going on
IV, it is not only an unbelievable post it is a deeply offensive one. For "70 year olds" read Gay? Black? Paralysed? Older people are just expected to smile and nod and quietly piss themselves when verbally assaulted.
FWIIW Armand Hammer, one of the world's wealthiest men, did not go into business until he:was 78.
This is all pretty shit news.A very sensible post and considered post.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
It does fit with rumours that there was/is a buyer who was waiting for official confirmation of relegation as this would determine the final price for the club.
Doesn't really explain why they wanted to give Lerner a kicking on their way out.
All absolutely and totally true.This is all pretty shit news.A very sensible post and considered post.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
It does fit with rumours that there was/is a buyer who was waiting for official confirmation of relegation as this would determine the final price for the club.
Doesn't really explain why they wanted to give Lerner a kicking on their way out.
Quite. King and Bernstein don't come across as petulant or needy, but Randy Lerner does come across as a capricious, arrogant fool, who's as stubborn and stupid as an ox.
Yeah apologies...I must feel slightly starstruck 8)It's all alright. Just spoke to Jack Woodhall at the u21s and he says keep the faith....also said hasn't got a clue what's going on
I assume you mean Jack Woodward?
it seems to me that Lerner is not a very honourable man.
Not only has he shafted Remi, the fans and the club, it looks like he has shafted 2 blokes whose appointment he would have approved only a few short weeks ago.
Pat Murphy hinted at there being a buyer in place but they are getting fed up with Lerner's dithering, hence the reason Hollis is dealing with the buyers. Unless I mis-heard him. Lerner has sacked Merrill Lynch. Moyes would like talks about the job but wasn't impressed with Paddy Reilly when Sherwood was sacked and Reilly went to talk to him then.
Meanwhile, on Talksport, Stan Collywobble is giving it large about how he would save the club and build an institution based on his recommendations.
It's all alright. Just spoke to Jack Woodhall at the u21s and he says keep the faith....also said hasn't got a clue what's going on
Has Jack Woodward become Dave Woodhall's second spouse?
This report about Lerner being happy to sell for 75 million worries me.
If he's that desperate to get shot of the club, doesn't seem he'll be particularly fussy about who he sells to.
This reminds me of Summer 2006 when the club was in similar limbo, we hadn't been relegated but came very close and the in the close season we had that bizarre player/manager statement criticising Ellis.
Things got better then for a few years so let's see what the summer brings.
Pat Murphy hinted at there being a buyer in place but they are getting fed up with Lerner's dithering, hence the reason Hollis is dealing with the buyers. Unless I mis-heard him. Lerner has sacked Merrill Lynch. Moyes would like talks about the job but wasn't impressed with Paddy Reilly when Sherwood was sacked and Reilly went to talk to him then.
Meanwhile, on Talksport, Stan Collywobble is giving it large about how he would save the club and build an institution based on his recommendations.
IV, it is not only an unbelievable post it is a deeply offensive one. For "70 year olds" read Gay? Black? Paralysed? Older people are just expected to smile and nod and quietly piss themselves when verbally assaulted.
FWIIW Armand Hammer, one of the world's wealthiest men, did not go into business until he:was 78.
What exactly is the pitch invasion meant to achieve, barring a few people being able to get their picture taken on the pitch and the potential for a points deduction?Jeez, some pious outrage on here tonight
Was it the same in 1968? "Don't spray "Board Must Go", it's unsightly graffiti and very naughty"
Not sure that a points deduction is much of a deterrent!
This is all pretty shit news.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
Sorry Paul, but I don't think there's much truth in that.
They've all accepted positions knowing that the club is up for sale, and that in the event of a sale, they'd probably be dispensed with. If a sale was anywhere close, which I don't believe it is, intelligent men like King and Bernstein would know that there was no point in making changes.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
He only looked about 30 odd when he did 'You can't touch this'
Melodramatic but I honestly think if a buyer does not materialise soon we are heading for oblivion
This is all pretty shit news.A very sensible post and considered post.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
It does fit with rumours that there was/is a buyer who was waiting for official confirmation of relegation as this would determine the final price for the club.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
FFS? Are you a bluenose
Thats crass
So youre pleased that a football man who has been there, seen it and done it in Bernstein has left, followed by a Villa fan in King with all his business and financial acumen has followed? Who else would you prefer?
Bevington is a marketing guy, like Fox, which is fine when they are one of a bigger team. But not someone to be in charge. Ditto Sir Brian who is an experienced football man but doesnt have the gravitas or business knowledge of Bernstein or King
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
He only looked about 30 odd when he did 'You can't touch this'
Was it toothpaste or big pants that made him a millionaire?
He only looked about 30 odd when he did 'You can't touch this'
This is all pretty shit news.A very sensible post and considered post.
I think Lerner is easily distracted by new things which makes him change his mind a lot, his flip-flopping over managers and playing styles backs that up.
With that in mind it wouldn't surprise me if, after relegation was confirmed, he got an offer that he wants to accept. He then calls a meeting with the footbal lboard to tel lthem to not worry about doing any restructure or finding a manager because he'd got a buyer and the new people would sort it. Bernstein and King argue that carry on as we planned is the right approach just in case things don't work out and refused.
That ties up everything that's come out today and I still refuse to believe that he go to all the effort of employing a chairman, letting him create a new board and then just ignoring them, I honestly don't think he's malicious or thick-skinned enough to do something like that given that the reaction today is exactly what you'd expect it to be.
It does fit with rumours that there was/is a buyer who was waiting for official confirmation of relegation as this would determine the final price for the club.
Oh come on. In any takeover there is a period of due diligence when the business continues be run by the incumbent board. Positions do not become 'untenable' because of a takeover approach.
Sorry PWS, anger made me slipshod. I should have said "built Occidental Oil" not "went into business".
Didn't bernstein release a statement last week saying we're in safe hands with Lerner?
Didn't bernstein release a statement last week saying we're in safe hands with Lerner?
The takeover comment by Hollis was very convenient in the light of the resignations. Draw your own conclusions.
The takeover comment by Hollis was very convenient in the light of the resignations. Draw your own conclusions.
I imagine that he's engaged someone to us again, which obviously has zero success last time.
The likelihood is, there was a board meeting last Wednesday at which the football directors presented a way forward.
Lerner response was, I'm still trying to sell the club so there will be zero spend until that's concluded, one way or another. But you can sell everything that can be sold. Another pre-season in limbo whilst Randy watches Rome burning.
King & Bernstein say fuck it, if we can't do the job we were brought here to do, we're off.
I don't for a minute believe there's a buyer lined up but I just can't see how Lerner can stay as owner now without irreparable damage being done to the club.
I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
FFS? Are you a bluenose
Thats crass
So youre pleased that a football man who has been there, seen it and done it in Bernstein has left, followed by a Villa fan in King with all his business and financial acumen has followed? Who else would you prefer?
Bevington is a marketing guy, like Fox, which is fine when they are one of a bigger team. But not someone to be in charge. Ditto Sir Brian who is an experienced football man but doesnt have the gravitas or business knowledge of Bernstein or King
How about making your point without breaking site rules?QuotePlease do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
The takeover comment by Hollis was very convenient in the light of the resignations. Draw your own conclusions.
I imagine that he's engaged someone to us again, which obviously has zero success last time.
I wonder if the Tony Adams thing has been resurrected?
Surely Hollis must now find his position to be untenable as well? I believe that the house of cards that Lerner created has still some crumbling left in it. If Hollis walks, what then? I don't believe for one second that King and Bernstein left because of a pending change of ownership. They are very serious individuals who could no longer associate themselves with this farce. Now that the ray of hope that came from the new look board has gone I really do fear for the future of our club.
It's entirely possible the board recommended a manager, his wages, a transfer budget and a need for paying off certain poisonous players' contracts to get them out of the club, and Lerner said no to all of it.
It's entirely possible the board recommended a manager, his wages, a transfer budget and a need for paying off certain poisonous players' contracts to get them out of the club, and Lerner said no to all of it.
It did have the ring of 'I'm not racist, but I'm going to say something racist'I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
FFS? Are you a bluenose
Thats crass
So youre pleased that a football man who has been there, seen it and done it in Bernstein has left, followed by a Villa fan in King with all his business and financial acumen has followed? Who else would you prefer?
Bevington is a marketing guy, like Fox, which is fine when they are one of a bigger team. But not someone to be in charge. Ditto Sir Brian who is an experienced football man but doesnt have the gravitas or business knowledge of Bernstein or King
How about making your point without breaking site rules?QuotePlease do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
The likelihood is, there was a board meeting last Wednesday at which the football directors presented a way forward.
Lerner response was, I'm still trying to sell the club so there will be zero spend until that's concluded, one way or another. But you can sell everything that can be sold. Another pre-season in limbo whilst Randy watches Rome burning.
King & Bernstein say fuck it, if we can't do the job we were brought here to do, we're off.
I don't for a minute believe there's a buyer lined up but I just can't see how Lerner can stay as owner now without irreparable damage being done to the club.
It did have the ring of 'I'm not racist, but I'm going to say something racist'I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
FFS? Are you a bluenose
Thats crass
So youre pleased that a football man who has been there, seen it and done it in Bernstein has left, followed by a Villa fan in King with all his business and financial acumen has followed? Who else would you prefer?
Bevington is a marketing guy, like Fox, which is fine when they are one of a bigger team. But not someone to be in charge. Ditto Sir Brian who is an experienced football man but doesnt have the gravitas or business knowledge of Bernstein or King
How about making your point without breaking site rules?QuotePlease do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
Stan Collymore on Talksport doing a pretend interview for a non existent job. I'm on the verge of punching myself in the face before punching the radio.I have been listening to it. It's quite laughable.
OK. 'I'm not ageist, but I'm going to say something ageist'It did have the ring of 'I'm not racist, but I'm going to say something racist'I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
FFS? Are you a bluenose
Thats crass
So youre pleased that a football man who has been there, seen it and done it in Bernstein has left, followed by a Villa fan in King with all his business and financial acumen has followed? Who else would you prefer?
Bevington is a marketing guy, like Fox, which is fine when they are one of a bigger team. But not someone to be in charge. Ditto Sir Brian who is an experienced football man but doesnt have the gravitas or business knowledge of Bernstein or King
How about making your point without breaking site rules?QuotePlease do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
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OK. 'I'm not ageist, but I'm going to say something ageist'It did have the ring of 'I'm not racist, but I'm going to say something racist'I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
FFS? Are you a bluenose
Thats crass
So youre pleased that a football man who has been there, seen it and done it in Bernstein has left, followed by a Villa fan in King with all his business and financial acumen has followed? Who else would you prefer?
Bevington is a marketing guy, like Fox, which is fine when they are one of a bigger team. But not someone to be in charge. Ditto Sir Brian who is an experienced football man but doesnt have the gravitas or business knowledge of Bernstein or King
How about making your point without breaking site rules?QuotePlease do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
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The light at the end of the tunnel is a train.
It's entirely possible the board recommended a manager, his wages, a transfer budget and a need for paying off certain poisonous players' contracts to get them out of the club, and Lerner said no to all of it.
I wouldn't have thought he would have said no to all of it but it was obviously enough for them to walk away.
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
Aftab has been admonished. By a number of posters, and they all had the ability to do it like adults.
It was not petty, it was politely asking you to stay within site rules. However now, I am telling you to stay within them or you'll be posting elsewhere.
Unreserved apologies to the forum for my ill judged post above. I was trying to take some sort of positive position on this but.....I don't want to sound ageist but do we really want a couple of 70 year olds making some fundamental decisions about the future of the club? They should have been non exec directors if any thing at all in the first place. I trust Bevington and Sir Brian. The news about sale is very hopeful as well.
Unbelievable.
It's entirely possible the board recommended a manager, his wages, a transfer budget and a need for paying off certain poisonous players' contracts to get them out of the club, and Lerner said no to all of it.
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
Aftab has been admonished. By a number of posters, and they all had the ability to do it like adults.
It was not petty, it was politely asking you to stay within site rules. However now, I am telling you to stay within them or you'll be posting elsewhere.
It's entirely possible the board recommended a manager, his wages, a transfer budget and a need for paying off certain poisonous players' contracts to get them out of the club, and Lerner said no to all of it.
I wouldn't have thought he would have said no to all of it but it was obviously enough for them to walk away.
Well, he might have said yes to Moyes, but in order to get him he'd need to say yes to his wages and transfer budget, and that may have been the stumbling block. And is Randy really going to sanction the great cull of players this club so badly needs to rid it of such poison? We'll see.
PLease excuse me if I am coming late to the party , but aren´t we missing the most crucial fact here ?, that being that the Club is in the process of being sold ( according to Sky et al ).......Godzvilla!
It's entirely possible the board recommended a manager, his wages, a transfer budget and a need for paying off certain poisonous players' contracts to get them out of the club, and Lerner said no to all of it.
I wouldn't have thought he would have said no to all of it but it was obviously enough for them to walk away.
Well, he might have said yes to Moyes, but in order to get him he'd need to say yes to his wages and transfer budget, and that may have been the stumbling block. And is Randy really going to sanction the great cull of players this club so badly needs to rid it of such poison? We'll see.
If that was an accurate summation then it's got an air of flouncing off about it, I could see someone like Collymore doing it but men of the calibre of King?
I'm not so sure
PLease excuse me if I am coming late to the party , but aren´t we missing the most crucial fact here ?, that being that the Club is in the process of being sold ( according to Sky et al ).......Godzvilla!
Tony Gallagher, editor in chief of The Sun, on Twitter a few minutes ago: "Aston Villa fans: p1 of The Sun makes painful viewing tomorrow."
Beaten to it by Wozwebs...
Well I personally think he's dumping us like some junk bonds and there is a willing buyer ready to say yesSounds like some Chinese individual or consortium.
I feel sick.
I feel sick.
What's the skinny, Damon? King doing lines off the shaft of gabby's penis?
Off on a tangent slightly, (my conspiracy theory), but is Foxy behind a potentially very cheap buy?
I am absolutely gutted by this. I really, really fear for our future now.Just catching up through this thread .....totally agree. The board we had put in place seemed brilliant to be placed to cope with all football decisions.....looks as if Lerner has cocked that up for us too now
Perhaps the feckin ground has burnt downI feel sick.
What's the skinny, Damon? King doing lines off the shaft of gabby's penis?
That's the worst thing. I have no idea. It's just bombshell after bombshell. I just hope it's something trivial
Why does it? If those are the board's recommendations, and Lerner dismisses them, then they are not able to do the jobs they have been brought in to do. Their positions are untenable. And men the calibre of King and Bernstein won't take any messing around, why should they?
I feel sick.
What's the skinny, Damon? King doing lines off the shaft of gabby's penis?
That's the worst thing. I have no idea. It's just bombshell after bombshell. I just hope it's something trivial
Possibly slightly harsh, but as a professionally qualified (FCIB) banker with 39 years in the sector I don't believe he came out of the post-October 2008 period with too much credit.Not so bothered about King as he made a mess of the Bank of England and was only appointed because he's a fan.
I really don't think that's fair at all. He made some mistakes, definitely. But some good judgments as well.
Perhaps the feckin ground has burnt downI feel sick.
What's the skinny, Damon? King doing lines off the shaft of gabby's penis?
That's the worst thing. I have no idea. It's just bombshell after bombshell. I just hope it's something trivial
I feel sick.
What's the skinny, Damon? King doing lines off the shaft of gabby's penis?
That's the worst thing. I have no idea. It's just bombshell after bombshell. I just hope it's something trivial
Here's a cheerful thought...
How about the banks that control the Lerner trust fund foreclose on debts and force us into bankruptcy?
The only thing that I'm trying to work out is this "radical solutions" thing. Does Bernstein mean having a manager solely in charge of footballing affairs is radical to the Villa system, or were they pushing a manager/DOF way which has been pooh-poohed? That seems like an over-the-top response to a difference of opinion to me.
Anyway, I fear Reilly's position is as safe as houses. He's as cancerous as the players.
It's not like it can be a football thing. But then again, it means it's likely to be an affair, an unsavoury incident or maybe we're actually the club involved in the doping allegations.
Why does it? If those are the board's recommendations, and Lerner dismisses them, then they are not able to do the jobs they have been brought in to do. Their positions are untenable. And men the calibre of King and Bernstein won't take any messing around, why should they?
I just think 'Moyes or nothing' is a very narrow recommendation and not a resigning matter for men of that ilk.
I think it will be bigger than that, I hope you are right mind.
Probably Gabby doing a line of coke in Dubai.
Here's a cheerful thought...
How about the banks that control the Lerner trust fund foreclose on debts and force us into bankruptcy?
Can a foreign bank force a UK company into bankruptcy ?
Probably Gabby doing a line of coke in Dubai.
That would be fantastic.
I'd be astounded if it wasn't to do with Agbonlahor.
Could be a betting scandal, that would explain some of the shit we've witnessed?
Could be a betting scandal, that would explain some of the shit we've witnessed?
Probably Gabby doing a line of coke in Dubai.
I just hope it doesn't involve somebody I actually like.
Collymore versus lescott fight announced PPV on sky.?
I just hope it doesn't involve somebody I actually like.
I just hope it doesn't involve somebody I actually like.
Nobody at Villa then.
I just hope it doesn't involve somebody I actually like.
That looks a bit fishy to me.Probably Gabby doing a line of coke in Dubai.
More like Gabby drinking pints of coke in Dubai.
Chinese rumors - couple of Tweets about these guys - http://www.wanda-group.com/
Probably Gabby doing a line of coke in Dubai.
More like Gabby drinking pints of coke in Dubai.
Chinese rumors - couple of Tweets about these guys - http://www.wanda-group.com/
Could be a betting scandal, that would explain some of the shit we've witnessed?
Surely that would work better if it involved a team that anyone ever expected to avoid defeat? If you bet £10 on us to lose every game this month you'd have about £10.25 by now.
Maybe we've been caught in a compromising position with David Furnesh?
What was the reason Rangers got dropped down all them leagues for again ?
What was the reason Rangers got dropped down all them leagues for again ?
What was the reason Rangers got dropped down all them leagues for again ?
My guess is players out getting pissed after we were relegated or something
With regard to the Sun..Could it be anything about the apparent targeting of ISIS of Villa Park?Is what I thought.
Our FD gone recently makes that a scary possibilityWhat was the reason Rangers got dropped down all them leagues for again ?
Cooking the books several times over
With regard to the Sun..Could it be anything about the apparent targeting of ISIS of Villa Park?
With regard to the Sun..Could it be anything about the apparent targeting of ISIS of Villa Park?
ISIS are the new owners.
I'd expect it to be Jack blotto with the rest of the cronies Saturday night.
I was going to say Agbonlahor too but of course he'll have been at fatty camp.My guess is players out getting pissed after we were relegated or something
Sounds likely. All-night booze binge with topless girls or something. I just hope there's enough to do Lescott for gross misconduct and cancel his contract
If we are going to get petty, maybe admonish the original poster for being ageist.
I was hardly being offensive
Aftab has been admonished. By a number of posters, and they all had the ability to do it like adults.
It was not petty, it was politely asking you to stay within site rules. However now, I am telling you to stay within them or you'll be posting elsewhere.
What about the piss-taking on the other thread? That's not a problem in the rules?
With regard to the Sun..Could it be anything about the apparent targeting of ISIS of Villa Park?
ISIS are the new owners.
Why 11pm and the embargo?
Why in gods name have I just heard Ken bates name mentioned!? 😡🔫
FWIW, breaking news on TS at 11pm. Potential bidder to be unveiled, supposedly not good news. Hopefully BS, especially as its on TS.
We turned down some mega-rich oligarch so he's bought Small Heath. You heard it here first...
Donald Trump to take over.
Apparently the story runs on to several pages which, to me, would suggest some kind of photo-evidence based piece.
Apparently the story runs on to several pages which, to me, would suggest some kind of photo-evidence based piece.
It will be a blessed relief if it's a 'players are twats' piece.
It will be a blessed relief if it's a 'players are twats' piece.
It will be a blessed relief if it's a 'players are twats' piece.
Yeah, hopefully we'll be able to sack a few of the pricks.
My guess the news at 11pm will be that the Chinese Government have bought us out as a feeder club for China.. ;D
Seriously, I think we are going to be underwhelmed by the news at 11pm and that will,suit me fine. I can't take much more.
It will be a blessed relief if it's a 'players are twats' piece.Yes, quite I hope so too.
The word used to describe our reactions was 'exasperated'. What would exasperate you about Villa right now?
Seriously, I think we are going to be underwhelmed by the news at 11pm and that will,suit me fine. I can't take much more.
My guess the news at 11pm will be that the Chinese Government have bought us out as a feeder club for China.. ;D
This is Villa, it's more likely to be North Korea.
Maybe there'll be a video on the Sun website of Lescott sitting in a pub with a crown on his head laughing.
My guess the news at 11pm will be that the Chinese Government have bought us out as a feeder club for China.. ;D
This is Villa, it's more likely to be North Korea.
Surely if it was something serious (as opposed to a gratuitous drugs/sex/booze expose) the story would be given to the Times.
Nobody buys the sun to read about accounting irregularities.
My guess the news at 11pm will be that the Chinese Government have bought us out as a feeder club for China.. ;D
Seriously, I think we are going to be underwhelmed by the news at 11pm and that will,suit me fine. I can't take much more.
Me too, hope you are right...he's done his job and got everyone talking about it..Westwood blamed for JFK killing...actually scrub that, he'd miss..
The Chinese stock market opens at 11 our time just sayin'
I'm scared.
The word used to describe our reactions was 'exasperated'. What would exasperate you about Villa right now?
My guess the news at 11pm will be that the Chinese Government have bought us out as a feeder club for China.. ;D
This is Villa, it's more likely to be North Korea.
After Lerner, I'd be prepared to live with an ISIS/IRA/Nazi Party consortium, fronted by Ian Huntley.
I do hope it's the players. I hate them.
Gabby Agbonlahor pictured on laughing gas and drinking in London hotel on night Aston Villa were relegated
Striker seen partying in a hotel room after Villa’s relegation from Premier League
FAILED Aston Villa captain Gabby Agbonlahor went on a laughing gas and booze binge on the day his club were relegated from the Premier League.
Agbonlahor, 29, was pictured partying in a hotel room with pals and two girl fans — the carpet littered with cans of legal high nitrous oxide.
Later the £60,000-a-week striker was seen downing shots and horsing around with hangers-on at London’s Mayfair Hotel.
Agbonlahor was left out of the Villa side who were relegated hours earlier by a 1-0 defeat to Manchester United, because he is overweight and unfit.
The star, dubbed Flabby Gabby, is supposed to be on a personal fitness regime. His antics on Saturday night infuriated the club’s supporters who saw them on social media.
One said: “Just looking at it turns my stomach. It’s a real slap in the face for Villa fans.
“If I was captain of a team that has just been relegated I’d be hiding myself away in shame.”
Agbonlahor was previously pictured using laughing gas at a party in September. He apologised.
Found it (I think):
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7085727/Gabby-Agbonlahor-pictured-on-laughing-gas-and-drinking-in-London-hotel-on-night-Aston-Villa-were-relegated.htmlQuoteGabby Agbonlahor pictured on laughing gas and drinking in London hotel on night Aston Villa were relegated
Striker seen partying in a hotel room after Villa’s relegation from Premier League
FAILED Aston Villa captain Gabby Agbonlahor went on a laughing gas and booze binge on the day his club were relegated from the Premier League.
Agbonlahor, 29, was pictured partying in a hotel room with pals and two girl fans — the carpet littered with cans of legal high nitrous oxide.
Later the £60,000-a-week striker was seen downing shots and horsing around with hangers-on at London’s Mayfair Hotel.
Agbonlahor was left out of the Villa side who were relegated hours earlier by a 1-0 defeat to Manchester United, because he is overweight and unfit.
The star, dubbed Flabby Gabby, is supposed to be on a personal fitness regime. His antics on Saturday night infuriated the club’s supporters who saw them on social media.
One said: “Just looking at it turns my stomach. It’s a real slap in the face for Villa fans.
“If I was captain of a team that has just been relegated I’d be hiding myself away in shame.”
Agbonlahor was previously pictured using laughing gas at a party in September. He apologised.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7085727/Gabby-Agbonlahor-pictured-on-laughing-gas-and-drinking-in-London-hotel-on-night-Aston-Villa-were-relegated.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7085727/Gabby-Agbonlahor-pictured-on-laughing-gas-and-drinking-in-London-hotel-on-night-Aston-Villa-were-relegated.html
You know the radical decision Bernstien talks about, anyone reckon they have tried to bin Gabby and Lerner has blocked it?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7085727/Gabby-Agbonlahor-pictured-on-laughing-gas-and-drinking-in-London-hotel-on-night-Aston-Villa-were-relegated.html
GOD is THAT ALL? meh.
Apparently it's an exclusive about owls being better than gibbons.
You know the radical decision Bernstien talks about, anyone reckon they have tried to bin Gabby and Lerner has blocked it?
Yes, I think this. I think they suggested terminating/paying off a lot of the contracts!
It's quite funny really the way this has mugged off SVC as well, 'Gabby and me communicated and he told me he respected me and would always take my advice'
About getting fit and removing another mans trousers?
I reckon we deliberately lost a game in a betting scam. 24 times.
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Cant see it being a failed drugs test. That is hardly front page of the Sun. Sex sells so it could be something along those lines. Hardly matters now. We are so down and out it would need to involve children and/or animales for our stock to fall any further
You know the radical decision Bernstien talks about, anyone reckon they have tried to bin Gabby and Lerner has blocked it?
Yes, I think this. I think they suggested terminating/paying off a lot of the contracts!
Piss poor splash. I'm actually disappointed.
Sorry folks, struggling to keep up with developments. Who's Gabby been fisting?
I knew it wouldn't be ISIS related. If ISIS were to target a football stadium it would surely be West Ham, who are named after two things ISIS really hate.
Haha! Hopefully we can sack him for not following his fitness regime
What is the record time for exceeding 50 pages?
Really I'm gonna go into work tomorrow and do jack shit until retirement....Happy daysHaha! Hopefully we can sack him for not following his fitness regime
Can't sack him unless he's done something illegal.
Sky sports saying that an opportunity to appoint a new manager had arisen, and Bernstein and King wanted it to happen ASAP, but the decision was not backed, so they walked.
How do pictures from a hotel room with only 4/5/6 'friends' in it end up in the Sun's next edition?
Jeez, he is fkin thick.
How do pictures from a hotel room with only 4/5/6 'friends' in it end up in the Sun's next edition?
Jeez, he is fkin thick.
How do pictures from a hotel room with only 4/5/6 'friends' in it end up in the Sun's next edition?
Jeez, he is fkin thick.
yep. he must have guessed the press were keeping an eye out for him after the last holiday jaunt. Borderline retarded.
Cheers, that's impressive.What is the record time for exceeding 50 pages?
23minutes - January 23rd 2012, Chelsea away match thread. Puns about fish pies
Haha! Hopefully we can sack him for not following his fitness regime
Can't sack him unless he's done something illegal.
Sky sports saying that an opportunity to appoint a new manager had arisen, and Bernstein and King wanted it to happen ASAP, but the decision was not backed, so they walked.
This has been quoted a lot today, and if the manager was Moyes, as many suspect, you would massively side with them. But it could be somebody really unpopular. It's the track record of the club to assume it was them that messed up. Which I do, naturally.
One other thing - if Sir Brian is advising, one would either think that he didn't agree on the choice, or he did and will probably be detaching from the club fairly soon over the same issue. Of course, he can do so whenever he likes but there may be more to it than we're hearing.
It's almost like he's had enough of football and wants out so is sabotaging his own career.
What a fool.
I knew it wouldn't be ISIS related. If ISIS were to target a football stadium it would surely be West Ham, who are named after two things ISIS really hate.Very good.
It's 11?And nothing happened
It's 11?And nothing happened
The longer this goes on the more "Foxcatcher" and bat-shit Dupont crazy Lerner becomes.
'Foxcatcher' - excellent.I didn't know the (true) story so the ending was a shock. John du Pont = Randy Lerner, without the murderous mental illness, obviously.
It's 11?And nothing happened
I've waited up for fuck all
I reckon he's taken one for the club.
"Gabs, all hell is breaking loose, half the board are going to resign on Monday and we are seriously in the shit, need something to deflect man."
"No probs boss, I know what to do, got any balloons>!
It's 11?And nothing happened
I've waited up for fuck all
Let's stay up all night...there's bound to be another crisis along in half an hour!
It's 11?And nothing happened
I've waited up for fuck all
Let's stay up all night...there's bound to be another crisis along in half an hour!
Fuck it then. Party at yours?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Gabby has an illness of some sort.Being a cock is not an illness
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Gabby has an illness of some sort.Being a cock is not an illness
I knew it wouldn't be ISIS related. If ISIS were to target a football stadium it would surely be West Ham, who are named after two things ISIS really hate.Class!
Pearson should come on over, and his son and his mates for that matter, they'd fit in just fine.
What a fucking mess.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Gabby has an illness of some sort.Being a cock is not an illness
I just reckon he's a horrible, self-centred c*** with an overblown sense of entitlement.
"For this new structure work it required all at the Club to accept new disciplines, clear reporting lines and to adhere to the authority delegated to the new football board. Unfortunately it has proved impossible to implement the agreed structure and my position has become untenable"
It's 11?And nothing happened
I've waited up for fuck all
Let's stay up all night...there's bound to be another crisis along in half an hour!
Fuck it then. Party at yours?
Here's my stab at why King and Bernstein quit. In his resignation letter Bernstein stated as follows:Quote"For this new structure work it required all at the Club to accept new disciplines, clear reporting lines and to adhere to the authority delegated to the new football board. Unfortunately it has proved impossible to implement the agreed structure and my position has become untenable"
Along with Garde over the course of the time they have been with us King and specifically Bernstein identified problems at the club. Gabby and his various indiscretions was one of many of the very serious issues. After Dubai Bernstein, in the knowledge that Gabby had signed a new deal still went to Randy and suggested serious disciplinary action. Randy overruled Bernstein and no action was taken. This undermined the whole reason a football board was established. The tension at the club was already at an all time high and then finally relegation was confirmed. Gabby goes out that night and makes an even bigger wanker of himself. Bernstein would have found out about this before the Sun broke the story and again went to Randy to take action, probably firing him. Randy again said no. Bernstein and King quit, the story breaks.
I don't think anything will happen to Gabby now that King and Bernstein have gone.
Here's my stab at why King and Bernstein quit. In his resignation letter Bernstein stated as follows:No I don't think so. Two board members resignation is not worth misdemeanours by one has been player. You are giving Mr Agbonlahor too much importance here.Quote"For this new structure work it required all at the Club to accept new disciplines, clear reporting lines and to adhere to the authority delegated to the new football board. Unfortunately it has proved impossible to implement the agreed structure and my position has become untenable"
Along with Garde over the course of the time they have been with us King and specifically Bernstein identified problems at the club. Gabby and his various indiscretions was one of many of the very serious issues. After Dubai Bernstein, in the knowledge that Gabby had signed a new deal still went to Randy and suggested serious disciplinary action. Randy overruled Bernstein and no action was taken. This undermined the whole reason a football board was established. The tension at the club was already at an all time high and then finally relegation was confirmed. Gabby goes out that night and makes an even bigger wanker of himself. Bernstein would have found out about this before the Sun broke the story and again went to Randy to take action, probably firing him. Randy again said no. Bernstein and King quit, the story breaks.
I don't think anything will happen to Gabby now that King and Bernstein have gone.
Here's my stab at why King and Bernstein quit. In his resignation letter Bernstein stated as follows:No I don't think so. Two board members resignation is not worth misdemeanours by one has been player. You are giving Mr Agbonlahor too much importance here.Quote"For this new structure work it required all at the Club to accept new disciplines, clear reporting lines and to adhere to the authority delegated to the new football board. Unfortunately it has proved impossible to implement the agreed structure and my position has become untenable"
Along with Garde over the course of the time they have been with us King and specifically Bernstein identified problems at the club. Gabby and his various indiscretions was one of many of the very serious issues. After Dubai Bernstein, in the knowledge that Gabby had signed a new deal still went to Randy and suggested serious disciplinary action. Randy overruled Bernstein and no action was taken. This undermined the whole reason a football board was established. The tension at the club was already at an all time high and then finally relegation was confirmed. Gabby goes out that night and makes an even bigger wanker of himself. Bernstein would have found out about this before the Sun broke the story and again went to Randy to take action, probably firing him. Randy again said no. Bernstein and King quit, the story breaks.
I don't think anything will happen to Gabby now that King and Bernstein have gone.
My theory. Two Directors' have fallen out with an American.
Here's my stab at why King and Bernstein quit. In his resignation letter Bernstein stated as follows:No I don't think so. Two board members resignation is not worth misdemeanours by one has been player. You are giving Mr Agbonlahor too much importance here.Quote"For this new structure work it required all at the Club to accept new disciplines, clear reporting lines and to adhere to the authority delegated to the new football board. Unfortunately it has proved impossible to implement the agreed structure and my position has become untenable"
Along with Garde over the course of the time they have been with us King and specifically Bernstein identified problems at the club. Gabby and his various indiscretions was one of many of the very serious issues. After Dubai Bernstein, in the knowledge that Gabby had signed a new deal still went to Randy and suggested serious disciplinary action. Randy overruled Bernstein and no action was taken. This undermined the whole reason a football board was established. The tension at the club was already at an all time high and then finally relegation was confirmed. Gabby goes out that night and makes an even bigger wanker of himself. Bernstein would have found out about this before the Sun broke the story and again went to Randy to take action, probably firing him. Randy again said no. Bernstein and King quit, the story breaks.
I don't think anything will happen to Gabby now that King and Bernstein have gone.
This is what I'm hoping for tomorrow- They both give as many interviews as possble to inform us exactly what has gone on and hopefully speed up the removal of LernerI might be being naive here, but how the fuck have the media for hold of those letters? What the fuck is going on?
My guess is that King and Bernstein had no contracts so the usual leverage of "we'll pay up your contract but on the agreement that you cannot talk to the press" is not there. Therefore they can say what they like. I don't blame them if they've been messed about by Randy.
I would hazard a guess that Lerner is in process of selling so everything has been put on hold, if I were the buyer I would want a say as to who the new manager is and how the club is to be structured therefore there is nothing for Bernstein and King to do. Putting it all on Gabby, he's not that important.
Exactly, they would not rock the boat and use the language they did.I would hazard a guess that Lerner is in process of selling so everything has been put on hold, if I were the buyer I would want a say as to who the new manager is and how the club is to be structured therefore there is nothing for Bernstein and King to do. Putting it all on Gabby, he's not that important.
Surely if we were being sold, Bernstein and King would support that...unless they didn't approve of the new buyer. Their resignation letters were not those of people moving aside to usher in the new regime either.
More of a blazing row I suggest CL.I think MK comment urging them to sell quickly suggests that the situation is ungovernable under its current ownership.
I cant see these 2 guys resigning over a thick kid like Gabby. More like funding is not going to be in place for the new manager.Gabby is a total irrelevance as far as this matter is concerned.
There is some reason why Lerner is under some heavy financial pressure I suspect.A few years ago when the BAML shares had tanked, but not now unless he has made some crazy investments.
I cant see these 2 guys resigning over a thick kid like Gabby. More like funding is not going to be in place for the new manager.Gabby is a total irrelevance as far as this matter is concerned.
Here's my stab at why King and Bernstein quit. In his resignation letter Bernstein stated as follows:Quote"For this new structure work it required all at the Club to accept new disciplines, clear reporting lines and to adhere to the authority delegated to the new football board. Unfortunately it has proved impossible to implement the agreed structure and my position has become untenable"
Along with Garde over the course of the time they have been with us King and specifically Bernstein identified problems at the club. Gabby and his various indiscretions was one of many of the very serious issues. After Dubai Bernstein, in the knowledge that Gabby had signed a new deal still went to Randy and suggested serious disciplinary action. Randy overruled Bernstein and no action was taken. This undermined the whole reason a football board was established. The tension at the club was already at an all time high and then finally relegation was confirmed. Gabby goes out that night and makes an even bigger wanker of himself. Bernstein would have found out about this before the Sun broke the story and again went to Randy to take action, probably firing him. Randy again said no. Bernstein and King quit, the story breaks.
I don't think anything will happen to Gabby now that King and Bernstein have gone.
Can't see the board resigning over Gabby, he's nothing really.
What makes me sad is Gabby is a Villa fan.. Joleon Lescott is a Villa fan.. and yet both turn out to be c*nts.
The root cause of the problems and always will be as long as he is here is Lerner. I'll take my chances with just about anyone else now, better the devil you know my arse, we are disappearing down the pan with this guy and Colonel Sanders pulling the strings. The longer he is here the more he retreats in to his reclusive shell and makes even worse decisions. Lerner has to go asap, I'll take anyone over him now.I've felt this way for a while. I can't conceive that anyone could be worse. And I for one will welcome our new Korean overlords
Can't see the board resigning over Gabby, he's nothing really.
Indeed. You'd have to have a very vivid imagination to suggest 2 big hitters like Bernstein and King would resign over a no-mark like Agbonlahor.
They resigned over Lerner, pure and simple.
These are two quality people with plenty of money who have refused to be part of the comedy that is Aston Villa under the Lerner stewardship, as soon as they realised that they were being used as stooges they have given Lerner the middle finger and walked out. I hope they both come clean with the fans as to what transpired in their short stay.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
Can't see the board resigning over Gabby, he's nothing really.
Indeed. You'd have to have a very vivid imagination to suggest 2 big hitters like Bernstein and King would resign over a no-mark like Agbonlahor.
They resigned over Lerner, pure and simple.
What does "over Lerner" mean though?
If they wanted to sack Agbonlahor (believable) but Lerner wouldn't sanction it because of the cost of paying off a relatively recent contract (given lerner's aversion to spending money) then that is exactly the sort of matter of principle you'd expect people like that to resign over - why have a board if you don't let them make decisions?
Resigning as an outcome of the Gabby situation would be resigning over Lerner - they wouldn't be doing it because they're angry about his night out, they'd be doing it because Lerner is not doing what he said he would and letting them do their jobs.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
It just depends what was promised, and what transpired.
There's no point in people of their stature and experience being on a board if actually their ability to do anything or make any changes is non-existent. I think to get them in the first place would have required a big sell around genuine autonomy in decision making, a new way of working, clear accountability for the future direction of the club etc.
If they quickly realised they actually didn't have that remit and authority, why stay?
It's a weight off their shoulders. Just us fans left to deal with this misery!That's just it. Mervyn King IS one of us. A lifelong fan and season ticket holder. I really don't think he would walk away lightly. Something very serious has caused him to walk away from what must have been a very exciting chance for him. An honest explanation would be great but no doubt Randys lawyers have already fired warning shots. All in all there is only two things we know for sure.. Gabby is the worst professional footballer we have ever seen at Villa Park and Randy Lerner is the most incompetent businessman in professional sport.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
Were an absolute mess. Can't see a new manager anytime soon with these resignations last night. We needed strong decisive action (what Hollis himself has said) and already our feet are dragging.
With the news last night and Lerner clearly not willing to fund anything, I really do believe that were more likely to hit league one than get promoted straight back
Spot on mateWithout knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
I totally disagree. These guys are in their twilight - They have both been there and done it. I saw them joining the board more as an 'offer of help', than a measured career move. With their experience, they can't suffer fools lightly, and have decided to highlight the fact that Lerner is an unbearable shitstain on our once great club, by walking.
Even though it's terrible news for us, good on them I say!
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
It just depends what was promised, and what transpired.
There's no point in people of their stature and experience being on a board if actually their ability to do anything or make any changes is non-existent. I think to get them in the first place would have required a big sell around genuine autonomy in decision making, a new way of working, clear accountability for the future direction of the club etc.
If they quickly realised they actually didn't have that remit and authority, why stay?
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
I totally disagree. These guys are in their twilight - They have both been there and done it. I saw them joining the board more as an 'offer of help', than a measured career move. With their experience, they can't suffer fools lightly, and have decided to highlight the fact that Lerner is an unbearable shitstain on our once great club, by walking.
Even though it's terrible news for us, good on them I say!
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
I totally disagree. These guys are in their twilight - They have both been there and done it. I saw them joining the board more as an 'offer of help', than a measured career move. With their experience, they can't suffer fools lightly, and have decided to highlight the fact that Lerner is an unbearable shitstain on our once great club, by walking.
Even though it's terrible news for us, good on them I say!
I was about to say the same. It's important to get the bullshit out in the open.
Well if we appoint Moyes today this will become more odd.
I wonder if Hollis will hang around - he put the Board together and it has now collapsed.....very worrying. Also, interesting that Brian Little is mentioned on the statement, I wonder if he agreed with the leavers or not??It's being reported on WM that Hollis's position is "untenable" This aint over yet. It appears that Lerner is happy to watch us go down the plughole.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
I totally disagree. These guys are in their twilight - They have both been there and done it. I saw them joining the board more as an 'offer of help', than a measured career move. With their experience, they can't suffer fools lightly, and have decided to highlight the fact that Lerner is an unbearable shitstain on our once great club, by walking.
Even though it's terrible news for us, good on them I say!
I was about to say the same. It's important to get the bullshit out in the open.
Well if we appoint Moyes today this will become more odd.
That will leave the General in charge!
That will leave the General in charge!
Hoo Raaaa, this is no time for surrender, this reminds me of that one time in the jungle, vietcong to the left of me, poisonous snakes to the right...
What was the 11pm news? I missed that in the maelstrom of bad news last night.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
I totally disagree. These guys are in their twilight - They have both been there and done it. I saw them joining the board more as an 'offer of help', than a measured career move. With their experience, they can't suffer fools lightly, and have decided to highlight the fact that Lerner is an unbearable shitstain on our once great club, by walking.
Even though it's terrible news for us, good on them I say!
I was about to say the same. It's important to get the bullshit out in the open.
It is.
It's about time someone outed these charlatans and their working practices. For years getting any information out of Villa has been like dealing with North Korea, just sound bites and blather, no solid facts. Any mistakes and monumental fuck ups have been pasted over with excuses or rumour of what might of happened, surely that didn't happen, that makes no sense etc etc. I wan't to know exactly what we are dealing with here, it's my club that's become a laughing stock and has turned in to some sort of bizzare Randy Lerner Zombie club. I wan't someone to out this prat and let us know exactly what is going on behind the scenes right now.
Gabby scores all the time. It's just never going to be on a football pitch.Well if we appoint Moyes today this will become more odd.
About as likely as us winning the next 4 games and Gabby scoring.
Well if we appoint Moyes today this will become more odd.
About as likely as us winning the next 4 games and Gabby scoring.
I think it's time for King and or Bernstein to talk, and expose Randy Lerner for the feckless, duplicitous charlatan that he is.That won't happen. Lerner's lawyers will make sure of that.
Can't see the board resigning over Gabby, he's nothing really.
Indeed. You'd have to have a very vivid imagination to suggest 2 big hitters like Bernstein and King would resign over a no-mark like Agbonlahor.
They resigned over Lerner, pure and simple.
If anyone had suggested a couple of years ago that Lerner could cause more damage to a football club with the standing of Aston Villa than a charlatan and crook has caused to a shower like Birmingham, they would have been slated on here. I'm a proper miserable old git and even I would have thought that was nonsense.
For all the mistakes he's made, I have always thought Randy was a decent man. These resignations suggest he isn't even that.
Relegation was hard to take, but somehow Bernstein & King going feels worse. The new 'board' gave us long suffering fans a glimmer of hope for the future. I really fear for the future with shit bag Lerner still in control. A total shambles that throws up a new crisis on a daily basis.My thoughts exactly, relegation didn't depress me, it actually felt strangely cathartic. This on the other hand has left me extremely concerned and pessimistic for the future. Getting proper football people on the board to make good, sensible decisions gave us all hope, that has been dashed in an instant.
Without knowing the story of what went on, I'm disappointed with both Bernstein and King( especially the latter) as I would have hoped they had more bottle and fight out whatever differences there were. I can only assume that some brinkmanship was involved and Lerner called their bluff- a this is what we need, give it,or we resign scenario. Pat Murphy described Lerner as stubborn, so surely someone had told Bernstein and King that the way to get a win/win was to negotiate and compromise?
I'm the same, following the disappointing news yesterday, this morning my feelings are more about these two being quitters rather than standing up for themselves and Villa, after all, it appears nobody else is.
I totally disagree. These guys are in their twilight - They have both been there and done it. I saw them joining the board more as an 'offer of help', than a measured career move. With their experience, they can't suffer fools lightly, and have decided to highlight the fact that Lerner is an unbearable shitstain on our once great club, by walking.
Even though it's terrible news for us, good on them I say!
I was about to say the same. It's important to get the bullshit out in the open.
It is.
It's about time someone outed these charlatans and their working practices. For years getting any information out of Villa has been like dealing with North Korea, just sound bites and blather, no solid facts. Any mistakes and monumental fuck ups have been pasted over with excuses or rumour of what might of happened, surely that didn't happen, that makes no sense etc etc. I wan't to know exactly what we are dealing with here, it's my club that's become a laughing stock and has turned in to some sort of bizzare Randy Lerner Zombie club. I wan't someone to out this prat and let us know exactly what is going on behind the scenes right now.
I don't think he's the one calling the shots any more, it's the family trust. Either way, it's his previous negligence that has resulted in where we are, so he still shoulders the blame for the current predicament.If anyone had suggested a couple of years ago that Lerner could cause more damage to a football club with the standing of Aston Villa than a charlatan and crook has caused to a shower like Birmingham, they would have been slated on here. I'm a proper miserable old git and even I would have thought that was nonsense.
For all the mistakes he's made, I have always thought Randy was a decent man. These resignations suggest he isn't even that.
Three years ago I saw Lerner as borderline negligent. I thought he was doing untold damage to villa. I had never seen us finish below 38 points and sign such no-hopers as we were at the time.
Now I think he is toxic & must be one stubborn so and so. I won't go any further than that at this point. I do think serious questions need to be asked about an individual who can be so reckless with a football club that so many of his predecessors worked hard to build up.
I don't think he's the one calling the shots any more, it's the family trust. Either way, it's his previous negligence that has resulted in where we are, so he still shoulders the blame for the current predicament.If anyone had suggested a couple of years ago that Lerner could cause more damage to a football club with the standing of Aston Villa than a charlatan and crook has caused to a shower like Birmingham, they would have been slated on here. I'm a proper miserable old git and even I would have thought that was nonsense.
For all the mistakes he's made, I have always thought Randy was a decent man. These resignations suggest he isn't even that.
Three years ago I saw Lerner as borderline negligent. I thought he was doing untold damage to villa. I had never seen us finish below 38 points and sign such no-hopers as we were at the time.
Now I think he is toxic & must be one stubborn so and so. I won't go any further than that at this point. I do think serious questions need to be asked about an individual who can be so reckless with a football club that so many of his predecessors worked hard to build up.
It is difficult to comprehend what is truly going on at the Club. One thing I do understand though, is that the Club is in a serious crisis.
Like others, I thought that finally that Lerner had come to some sense and brought in football people to advise on the running of the football club. It seems that once again it was a smoke screen to buy time. The duplicity of this man is a real danger to the Club.
The only other thing that could be an answer that I haven't seen mentioned is that Bernstein and King were put forward by a potential buyer and that Lerner has turned his back on this deal in favour of another. This is only wild speculation on my part.
We are told the resignations were not prompted by a disagreement over the managerial situation. However, sources say the future involvement of director of recruitment Paddy Riley could have been a factor, but not the deciding one.
The key phrase for me in King's statement is "change the culture" - King and Bernstein wanted to do that and Randy stopped them...
The key phrase for me in King's statement is "change the culture" - King and Bernstein wanted to do that and Randy stopped them...
Which in my view links it to the Gabby thing.
I think it's more to do with the culture at boardroom level. That is the level that Bernstein and King operate at, and the area that concerns them most. The absentee chairman, yes men and middle managers with personal agendas and vested interests, People promoted above their level of competence on massive salaries, cost cutting resulting in lifelong club employees being made to re-apply for their jobs. That is what I think that alludes to.The key phrase for me in King's statement is "change the culture" - King and Bernstein wanted to do that and Randy stopped them...
Which in my view links it to the Gabby thing.
I think it's more to do with the culture at boardroom level. That is the level that Bernstein and King operate at, and the area that concerns them most. The absentee chairman, yes men and middle managers with personal agendas and vested interests, People promoted above their level of competence on massive salaries, cost cutting resulting in lifelong club employees being made to re-apply for their jobs. That is what I think that alludes to.
The key phrase for me in King's statement is "change the culture" - King and Bernstein wanted to do that and Randy stopped them...
Which in my view links it to the Gabby thing.
I think that's a red herring. Even if player disclipline was one of the things the new board recommended be dealt with, Gabby's latest pig-ignorant shenanigans happened too soon after they reported for it to have been the deciding factor. There would have to be a time frame for "changing the culture" and I can't believe that this one incident (and hardly a surprising incident, at that) would have scuppered everything else in the report.
The key phrase for me in King's statement is "change the culture" - King and Bernstein wanted to do that and Randy stopped them...
Which in my view links it to the Gabby thing.
I think that's a red herring. Even if player disclipline was one of the things the new board recommended be dealt with, Gabby's latest pig-ignorant shenanigans happened too soon after they reported for it to have been the deciding factor. There would have to be a time frame for "changing the culture" and I can't believe that this one incident (and hardly a surprising incident, at that) would have scuppered everything else in the report.
Its been reported that he is the main poison in the dressing room. If they wanted him out at any cost then the Dubai, London and fitness things gave them an opportunity, if Lerner wouldn't let them take it then I'd see that as a strong point of principle to go over.
There are far more important battles to be picked with Lerner than sacking Gabby.The key phrase for me in King's statement is "change the culture" - King and Bernstein wanted to do that and Randy stopped them...
Which in my view links it to the Gabby thing.
I think that's a red herring. Even if player disclipline was one of the things the new board recommended be dealt with, Gabby's latest pig-ignorant shenanigans happened too soon after they reported for it to have been the deciding factor. There would have to be a time frame for "changing the culture" and I can't believe that this one incident (and hardly a surprising incident, at that) would have scuppered everything else in the report.
Its been reported that he is the main poison in the dressing room. If they wanted him out at any cost then the Dubai, London and fitness things gave them an opportunity, if Lerner wouldn't let them take it then I'd see that as a strong point of principle to go over.
I'm fairly certain the actions of our longest serving player have nothing to do with their resignations. As soon as I saw Lerner's mate was back alarm bells started ringing, the appointments of King, Bernstein, Little and Bevington were a huge step in the right direction, the return of the General was a massive step back.
The key phrase for me in King's statement is "change the culture" - King and Bernstein wanted to do that and Randy stopped them...
Which in my view links it to the Gabby thing.
I think that's a red herring. Even if player disclipline was one of the things the new board recommended be dealt with, Gabby's latest pig-ignorant shenanigans happened too soon after they reported for it to have been the deciding factor. There would have to be a time frame for "changing the culture" and I can't believe that this one incident (and hardly a surprising incident, at that) would have scuppered everything else in the report.
Its been reported that he is the main poison in the dressing room. If they wanted him out at any cost then the Dubai, London and fitness things gave them an opportunity, if Lerner wouldn't let them take it then I'd see that as a strong point of principle to go over.
I can't really think of a reason for Lerner to refuse.
that big fat bloke managing Leeds would still probably come,
he don't mid wading in shit
The wording of both King and Bernstein's statements is damning of one Randy Lerner. I think they have deliberately - and quite rightly - put the focus on him and have suggested Villa will not recover in any sense for as long as he is associated with the Club. King, especially, is telling Lerner in no uncertain terms to sell up. yesterday in their letters.)
I'm fairly certain the actions of our longest serving player have nothing to do with their resignations. As soon as I saw Lerner's mate was back alarm bells started ringing, the appointments of King, Bernstein, Little and Bevington were a huge step in the right direction, the return of the General was a massive step back.
It was obvious as soon as Krulak returned like the Prodigal Son that Lerner ( or his mother, who controls the money now, I'm told) was still pulling the strings, whatever Hollis's title. A proper fucking cowboy outfit with a mad military nutcase running the drill. Any other club and this would be hilarious.
What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
If Lerner has not agreed to fund the change in direction, be it for a new manager and new structure [head of football or whoever], sacking Reily etc, then the only glimmer of hope would be a change of ownership.
Lerner is a fool easily parted with his money; he paid Small Heath £5 million for McLiesh and has gone through managers like underwear the past 12 months, so it would seem odd that he decides to turn the tap off completely having presumably acquiesced to the moves forward suggested by Hollis. Why stop now? For what ends?
Its hard to fathom his motives and it could well be that reference to new ownership is simply misdirection.
But if we're up for sale at a reduced price, then he might have come to his senses. Getting him out of the football club by fair means or foul has to be the number one priority, as he is a disease that is rotting us from the inside out.
I want the new manager to have an ambitious owner, who is back by the board to do what is necessary. McLiesh, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc, as poor as they may be, were all made poorer by having one and sometimes both hands tied behind their back. We need unity.
I'm fairly certain the actions of our longest serving player have nothing to do with their resignations. As soon as I saw Lerner's mate was back alarm bells started ringing, the appointments of King, Bernstein, Little and Bevington were a huge step in the right direction, the return of the General was a massive step back.Well said mate. After appointing Hollis followed by "footballing" men and others with vast business acumen why on earth would you re-appoint Krulak? Other than him being Randys boardroom snitch what could he possibly add to the board that had been assembled? This is incompetence on a biblical scale. Our club is being run into the ground by world class fuckwits.
A new manager was ready to be appointed reporting directly to Bernstein, the appointment was blocked, and Bernstein walked.Why would a new manager report directly to Bernstein? Hollis is the chairman.
So how do we appoint a manager now?
Unless we are sold very quickly, we are f***ed.
A new manager was ready to be appointed reporting directly to Bernstein, the appointment was blocked, and Bernstein walked.Sounds about right to me.
So how do we appoint a manager now?
Unless we are sold very quickly, we are f***ed.
Because Bernstein was head of the 'football Board' and Hollis has admitted he knows nothing about football.A new manager was ready to be appointed reporting directly to Bernstein, the appointment was blocked, and Bernstein walked.Why would a new manager report directly to Bernstein? Hollis is the chairman.
So how do we appoint a manager now?
Unless we are sold very quickly, we are f***ed.
Because as Bernstein outlined, the manager reports to the Football Board, and the Football Board reports to the Chairman. Hollis has even stated that he doesn't know much about football, and this is why he implemented the Football Board.A new manager was ready to be appointed reporting directly to Bernstein, the appointment was blocked, and Bernstein walked.Why would a new manager report directly to Bernstein? Hollis is the chairman.
So how do we appoint a manager now?
Unless we are sold very quickly, we are f***ed.
A new manager was ready to be appointed reporting directly to Bernstein, the appointment was blocked, and Bernstein walked.Sounds about right to me.
So how do we appoint a manager now?
Unless we are sold very quickly, we are f***ed.
Despite Lerner appointing Hollis and releasing a statement at the time declaring he was taking a back seat, the fact that he still signs the cheques, means ultimately Lerner is still in charge.
I'd personally be surprised if Hollis stays now, as King and Bernstein were his appointments, and it leaves his company structure in tatters. Surely no credible replacements will touch this basket case with a barge pole now.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse....
Because as Bernstein outlined, the manager reports to the Football Board, and the Football Board reports to the Chairman. Hollis has even stated that he doesn't know much about football, and this is why he implemented the Football Board.A new manager was ready to be appointed reporting directly to Bernstein, the appointment was blocked, and Bernstein walked.Why would a new manager report directly to Bernstein? Hollis is the chairman.
So how do we appoint a manager now?
Unless we are sold very quickly, we are f***ed.
The art of management is hiring the right people in the right positions and letting them do their jobs, as Hollis was doing, and as Randy has completely and utterly failed to realise in 10 years.
It finally happened, the Evening mail running a story with the Villa badge with a crack down the middleAhha.. Is it the old badge or the new revamped ultra smart badge?
I really wish people would stop saying "just when I thought things couldn't get any worse" because invariably it does. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy.Not really. Its perfectly appropriate to say that today.
Not a problem anymore. He (or She) can report to Hollis!A new manager was ready to be appointed reporting directly to Bernstein, the appointment was blocked, and Bernstein walked.Why would a new manager report directly to Bernstein? Hollis is the chairman.
So how do we appoint a manager now?
Unless we are sold very quickly, we are f***ed.
If Lerner has not agreed to fund the change in direction, be it for a new manager and new structure [head of football or whoever], sacking Reily etc, then the only glimmer of hope would be a change of ownership.My reading of the situatiion is that Lerner did not buy into the strategy necessary to bring us redemption, as Bernstein and King saw it.
Lerner is a fool easily parted with his money; he paid Small Heath £5 million for McLiesh and has gone through managers like underwear the past 12 months, so it would seem odd that he decides to turn the tap off completely having presumably acquiesced to the moves forward suggested by Hollis. Why stop now? For what ends?
Its hard to fathom his motives and it could well be that reference to new ownership is simply misdirection.
But if we're up for sale at a reduced price, then he might have come to his senses. Getting him out of the football club by fair means or foul has to be the number one priority, as he is a disease that is rotting us from the inside out.
I want the new manager to have an ambitious owner, who is back by the board to do what is necessary. McLiesh, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc, as poor as they may be, were all made poorer by having one and sometimes both hands tied behind their back. We need unity.
If Lerner has not agreed to fund the change in direction, be it for a new manager and new structure [head of football or whoever], sacking Reily etc, then the only glimmer of hope would be a change of ownership.My reading of the situatiion is that Lerner did not buy into the strategy necessary to bring us redemption, as Bernstein and King saw it.
Lerner is a fool easily parted with his money; he paid Small Heath £5 million for McLiesh and has gone through managers like underwear the past 12 months, so it would seem odd that he decides to turn the tap off completely having presumably acquiesced to the moves forward suggested by Hollis. Why stop now? For what ends?
Its hard to fathom his motives and it could well be that reference to new ownership is simply misdirection.
But if we're up for sale at a reduced price, then he might have come to his senses. Getting him out of the football club by fair means or foul has to be the number one priority, as he is a disease that is rotting us from the inside out.
I want the new manager to have an ambitious owner, who is back by the board to do what is necessary. McLiesh, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc, as poor as they may be, were all made poorer by having one and sometimes both hands tied behind their back. We need unity.
Pat Murphy mentioned a cut price of £75m yesterday evening.
I'm pretty sure £5m was not spent getting TSM out of the Sty; more like £1.5m IIRC.
It finally happened, the Evening mail running a story with the Villa badge with a crack down the middleAhha.. Is it the old badge or the new revamped ultra smart badge?
I think it's time for King and or Bernstein to talk, and expose Randy Lerner for the feckless, duplicitous charlatan that he is.Not sure what good that would do. He will still be our owner and we'll be further embarrassed in teh Press.
If Lerner has not agreed to fund the change in direction, be it for a new manager and new structure [head of football or whoever], sacking Reily etc, then the only glimmer of hope would be a change of ownership.My reading of the situatiion is that Lerner did not buy into the strategy necessary to bring us redemption, as Bernstein and King saw it.
Lerner is a fool easily parted with his money; he paid Small Heath £5 million for McLiesh and has gone through managers like underwear the past 12 months, so it would seem odd that he decides to turn the tap off completely having presumably acquiesced to the moves forward suggested by Hollis. Why stop now? For what ends?
Its hard to fathom his motives and it could well be that reference to new ownership is simply misdirection.
But if we're up for sale at a reduced price, then he might have come to his senses. Getting him out of the football club by fair means or foul has to be the number one priority, as he is a disease that is rotting us from the inside out.
I want the new manager to have an ambitious owner, who is back by the board to do what is necessary. McLiesh, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc, as poor as they may be, were all made poorer by having one and sometimes both hands tied behind their back. We need unity.
Pat Murphy mentioned a cut price of £75m yesterday evening.
I'm pretty sure £5m was not spent getting TSM out of the Sty; more like £1.5m IIRC.
What's really scary is that I think it's going to get even worse in the next few months. I think Hollis will go, Sir BL will walk away, our better players will be picked off (Amavi, Ayew, Gueye) with Lerner sanctioning their disposal as a way to trim costs, a complete yes-man & on the cheap manager will be appointed with a remit to keep us in the Championship, and revenues will plummet forcing Lerner (or his Mum!) to start asset stripping.This seems rather apocalyptic ...
As others have said, we are really in danger of a monumental collapse through the tiers of British football unless and until we are sold. The manager conversation is absolutely pointless until the mess above them is resolved. I'm starting to genuinely understand why despite trying several different managers under Lerners stewardship, all have failed.
The one constant - Mr Randy Lerner.
It's not an overstatement to say that we are on the precipice here.
McLiesh, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc, as poor as they may be, were all made poorer by having one and sometimes both hands tied behind their back.However Lerner made sure their hands were stuffed full of cash.
Probably the reason old Randy doesn't talk much as people will realise he is a clueless rich boy.
A year ago today, the start of something special...
Bernstein highlighted reporting lines and agreed structures. My belief is that the football side of the business would report to him, this being the manager & the recruitment side of the club. Would Paddy Reilly have liked reporting to Bernstein when he's got used to having Randy's ear or has he by passed the structure & gone straight to Randy.
What I can't understand is how the head of recruitment who oversaw the purchase of that shower of shite we spent a fortune on last summer remains in place whilst everyone else has gone?
Villa In Denmark, I think you've won the thread! Good words.
He knows where the bodies are buried.Bernstein highlighted reporting lines and agreed structures. My belief is that the football side of the business would report to him, this being the manager & the recruitment side of the club. Would Paddy Reilly have liked reporting to Bernstein when he's got used to having Randy's ear or has he by passed the structure & gone straight to Randy.
What I can't understand is how the head of recruitment who oversaw the purchase of that shower of shite we spent a fortune on last summer remains in place whilst everyone else has gone?
When has Reilly had Randy's ear.
Wasn't he brought in by and reported to Fox.
What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
They were protecting their professional integrity and pointing the finger of blame. I'm glad they did it.
We need a Hodgson report.
It was tongue in cheek. I don't actually think that people saying anything on here has any effect whatsoever really!I really wish people would stop saying "just when I thought things couldn't get any worse" because invariably it does. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy.Not really. Its perfectly appropriate to say that today.
I think I, like a lot of people, were semi-optimistic for the future, Lerner had stated that he would take a back seat and allow Hollis to run the club. He had identified the problems, a new company structure was put in place and there was the appointment of some really credible people to the Board and Advisory Roles. We were being linked with some decent managers, and it felt like we had turned a corner, or at least bottomed out.
Then yesterday this...Now it feels like we are nowhere near bottoming out unless the club is very close to being sold, which I very much doubt because King and Bernstein wouldn't have said what they did in their resignation letters yesterday.
There is clearly something deeply amiss at our club.
We need a Hodgson report.
My guess is the footballing proposals of Bernstein were far too ambitious, costly and risky for Lerner.
My guess is the footballing proposals of Bernstein were far too ambitious, costly and risky for Lerner.
I hope we will soon find out what they were, I cant imagine it being that costly though. Sure, a new manager is going to be a few quid but we'll still need one whatever happens.
What other realistic proposal would have cost that much?
My guess is the footballing proposals of Bernstein were far too ambitious, costly and risky for Lerner.
I hope we will soon find out what they were, I cant imagine it being that costly though. Sure, a new manager is going to be a few quid but we'll still need one whatever happens.
What other realistic proposal would have cost that much?
I think it's as straight forward as this....This would mean that Randy has a coherent plan. My guess is if you could see inside his head you would see a monkey riding a unicycle playing a drum.
No more Lerner cash and no investment. We are now operating in self sufficient mode.
My guess is the footballing proposals of Bernstein were far too ambitious, costly and risky for Lerner.
I hope we will soon find out what they were, I cant imagine it being that costly though. Sure, a new manager is going to be a few quid but we'll still need one whatever happens.
What other realistic proposal would have cost that much?
Dumping the deadwood.
Buying new players.
The updated Telegraph article points to Lerner not wanting to give any financial assurances to the footballing board thus they are roadblocked in bringing in a new manager, as any half decent manager will want to know what he has to deal with.
My guess is the footballing proposals of Bernstein were far too ambitious, costly and risky for Lerner.
I hope we will soon find out what they were, I cant imagine it being that costly though. Sure, a new manager is going to be a few quid but we'll still need one whatever happens.
What other realistic proposal would have cost that much?
Dumping the deadwood.
Buying new players.
The updated Telegraph article points to Lerner notwantingbeing able to give any financial assurances to the footballing board as mommy is now In charge of the piggy bank thus they are roadblocked in bringing in a new manager, as any half decent manager will want to know what he has to deal with.
I think it's as straight forward as this....This would mean that Randy has a coherent plan. My guess is if you could see inside his head you would see a monkey riding a unicycle playing a drum.
No more Lerner cash and no investment. We are now operating in self sufficient mode.
It could be worse.
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Does this mean Lerner's Mom is effectively our new Chairperson?My guess is the footballing proposals of Bernstein were far too ambitious, costly and risky for Lerner.
I hope we will soon find out what they were, I cant imagine it being that costly though. Sure, a new manager is going to be a few quid but we'll still need one whatever happens.
What other realistic proposal would have cost that much?
Dumping the deadwood.
Buying new players.
The updated Telegraph article points to Lerner notwantingbeing able to give any financial assurances to the footballing board as mommy is now In charge of the piggy bank thus they are roadblocked in bringing in a new manager, as any half decent manager will want to know what he has to deal with.
I think might be closer to it.
I don't know how long this has been brewing, but I wish Bernstein and King had toughed it out and carried on trying to effect change from within. I appreciate they may have felt they had their hands tied, but they have really cast us adrift now.If they could not get an agreement on the management structure of funding then they can't possibly manage and have to walk.
Lerner cast us adrift a long time ago, not King and Bernstein.
Yes protecting themselves and blaming others.What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
They were protecting their professional integrity and pointing the finger of blame. I'm glad they did it.
Yes protecting themselves and blaming others.What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
They were protecting their professional integrity and pointing the finger of blame. I'm glad they did it.
I don't know how long this has been brewing, but I wish Bernstein and King had toughed it out and carried on trying to effect change from within. I appreciate they may have felt they had their hands tied, but they have really cast us adrift now.
Yes protecting themselves and blaming others.What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
They were protecting their professional integrity and pointing the finger of blame. I'm glad they did it.
Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.Sounds familiar, exactly the same thing happened to Garde Promised funds in January and then had the rug completely pulled from under him.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
Does this mean Lerner's Mom is effectively our new Chairperson?My guess is the footballing proposals of Bernstein were far too ambitious, costly and risky for Lerner.
I hope we will soon find out what they were, I cant imagine it being that costly though. Sure, a new manager is going to be a few quid but we'll still need one whatever happens.
What other realistic proposal would have cost that much?
Dumping the deadwood.
Buying new players.
The updated Telegraph article points to Lerner notwantingbeing able to give any financial assurances to the footballing board as mommy is now In charge of the piggy bank thus they are roadblocked in bringing in a new manager, as any half decent manager will want to know what he has to deal with.
I think might be closer to it.
We need a Hodgson report.
Exactly, more insightful stuff from HH would be great. Ideally in green crayon:
Recruit a better manager
Buy better players
use better tactics
develop better youth players.
The guy is a football genius and we shouldn't let his knowledge go to waste.
Lerner cast us adrift a long time ago, not King and Bernstein.
Definitely agree and it makes me wonder just how much we as fans don't really know what's been going on behind closed doors for the past 5 years...
I honestly believe Lerner has gagged, tied, manipulated and mislead Managers, Board members and fans but has got away with it through smoke and mirrors tactics...
Yesterday's resignations should have woken every fan up to the simple fact that the problem lies with Lerner and only Lerner and his awful decision making...
We are cycling through Managers, Board members and staff at an alarming rate and their all failing/leaving but the common factor is Lerner...
We need a Hodgson report.
Exactly, more insightful stuff from HH would be great. Ideally in green crayon:
Recruit a better manager
Buy better players
use better tactics
develop better youth players.
The guy is a football genius and we shouldn't let his knowledge go to waste.
Any reports of Ray Ranson meeting him on his yacht?
Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.Sounds familiar, exactly the same thing happened to Garde Promised funds in January and then had the rug completely pulled from under him.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
The whole situation sickens me to the stomach
Probably typing up their letters ready.Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.Sounds familiar, exactly the same thing happened to Garde Promised funds in January and then had the rug completely pulled from under him.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
The whole situation sickens me to the stomach
It makes me wonder what Hollis, Bevington and Little have been doing today.
Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.Sounds familiar, exactly the same thing happened to Garde Promised funds in January and then had the rug completely pulled from under him.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
The whole situation sickens me to the stomach
It makes me wonder what Hollis, Bevington and Little have been doing today.
Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.Sounds familiar, exactly the same thing happened to Garde Promised funds in January and then had the rug completely pulled from under him.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
The whole situation sickens me to the stomach
It makes me wonder what Hollis, Bevington and Little have been doing today.
Crying in their coffee and sending all sorts of messages back and forth to Chez Lerner. (Unless they've got his mothers e-mail address)
Well, somebody's been led up the garden path.Probably typing up their letters ready.Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.Sounds familiar, exactly the same thing happened to Garde Promised funds in January and then had the rug completely pulled from under him.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
The whole situation sickens me to the stomach
It makes me wonder what Hollis, Bevington and Little have been doing today.
Yes may be but giving up and pointing fingers does not fix anything. King needed to stick around and fix the issue.Yes protecting themselves and blaming others.What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
They were protecting their professional integrity and pointing the finger of blame. I'm glad they did it.
Blaming the person who actually deserves it you mean?
Yes may be but giving up and pointing fingers does not fix anything. King needed to stick around and fix the issue.Yes protecting themselves and blaming others.What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
They were protecting their professional integrity and pointing the finger of blame. I'm glad they did it.
Blaming the person who actually deserves it you mean?
Something does not quite add up to me. When they were recruited surely the way forward was discussed but then when it comes to trying to implement a plan they appear to have been blocked so have resigned as a consequence.Sounds familiar, exactly the same thing happened to Garde Promised funds in January and then had the rug completely pulled from under him.
So far though, Hollis, Bevington and Little remain in place. Were they lied to or did those remaining disagree or were they in agreement but are trying to rescue the situation? It's an omnishambles, the next recruit has to be Malcolm Tucker.
The whole situation sickens me to the stomach
It makes me wonder what Hollis, Bevington and Little have been doing today.
Yes may be but giving up and pointing fingers does not fix anything. King needed to stick around and fix the issue.Yes protecting themselves and blaming others.What is the point of putting those letters of resignation out in the public. Is there anybody left inside Aston Villa with some dignity?
If you want those letters out there then just tell the whole fuckin story you quitters
They were protecting their professional integrity and pointing the finger of blame. I'm glad they did it.
Blaming the person who actually deserves it you mean?
A big leap but perhaps Mr King might try and front a consortium.
Exactly. Just imagine how bad it must be if a guy who loves the club, is rich, well regarded and part of the very top of English society who after such a short time feels he has no option but to walk away and when he does do pointedly tell the world how messed up randy Lerner is?. What the hell must Lerner have said to piss him off that bad plus Bernstein? I mean it must have been REALLY bad. These are not men prone to throwing their toys out of the pram when the going gets tough.
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Well it is clear we need some decent PR so it makes Villa sense that the PR expert will be off too.
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Well it is clear we need some decent PR so it makes Villa sense that the PR expert will be off too.
Doesn't all these departures make Hollis's role untenable. He created this football board, all we've heard is how we've had a lack of football people etc If his creation all leave where does that leave him?
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Well it is clear we need some decent PR so it makes Villa sense that the PR expert will be off too.
Doesn't all these departures make Hollis's role untenable. He created this football board, all we've heard is how we've had a lack of football people etc If his creation all leave where does that leave him?
Doing what his master tells him to do for a paycheck.
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Well it is clear we need some decent PR so it makes Villa sense that the PR expert will be off too.
Doesn't all these departures make Hollis's role untenable. He created this football board, all we've heard is how we've had a lack of football people etc If his creation all leave where does that leave him?
Doing what his master tells him to do for a paycheck.
Like we all do.
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Well it is clear we need some decent PR so it makes Villa sense that the PR expert will be off too.
Doesn't all these departures make Hollis's role untenable. He created this football board, all we've heard is how we've had a lack of football people etc If his creation all leave where does that leave him?
Doing what his master tells him to do for a paycheck.
Like we all do.
Do we?
Hollis left a job to join villa ... he does not have the luxury of walking away like King and Bernstein did ... Bevington is realatively young probably has dependants and a CV to consider.Valid points, but I still expect Bevington to be off too. I would guess he would make the choice to not leak his resignation letter like Bernstein and King have, as he realises that would potentially damage his future employability. That would at least give Villa some time to release the news at their own timing, rather than being forced into a rushed press release such as yesterday.
Ok having principals if you can afford them
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Well it is clear we need some decent PR so it makes Villa sense that the PR expert will be off too.
Doesn't all these departures make Hollis's role untenable. He created this football board, all we've heard is how we've had a lack of football people etc If his creation all leave where does that leave him?
Doing what his master tells him to do for a paycheck.
Like we all do.
Do we?
Well, I go to work and do what my boss tell me to, yes.
Nursey seems to think Bevington is going to be off too.
Of that there is little doubt. I'm surprised he's still here if I'm honest.
Well it is clear we need some decent PR so it makes Villa sense that the PR expert will be off too.
Doesn't all these departures make Hollis's role untenable. He created this football board, all we've heard is how we've had a lack of football people etc If his creation all leave where does that leave him?
Doing what his master tells him to do for a paycheck.
Like we all do.
Do we?
Well, I go to work and do what my boss tell me to, yes.
I'm not too sure how much blame we can put on Hollis for the last couple of days events. He put together a board which gave the majority of fans optimism for the long road ahead and two have walked out and they have their reasons for doing so. How long he sticks around himself for is anyone's guess.
Me too John. Easier!Why do you do whatever John's wife says?
My Wife's the boss I just do what she says
What a fucking mess. Just when you think we're making positive moves it goes tits up. I dread what state the board will be in in a week or twos time. What state we will be in next season I dare not think about.808 state
What a fucking mess. Just when you think we're making positive moves it goes tits up. I dread what state the board will be in in a week or twos time. What state we will be in next season I dare not think about.
What a fucking mess. Just when you think we're making positive moves it goes tits up. I dread what state the board will be in in a week or twos time. What state we will be in next season I dare not think about.
This whole episode is spoiling my enjoyment of this site. I derive hours of pleasure reading what is posted in the various threads. I learn things that I didn't know, I get laughs
This whole episode is spoiling my enjoyment of this site. I derive hours of pleasure reading what is posted in the various threads. I learn things that I didn't know, I get laughs, I see the rows and bickering but, I know that we are all Villa fans and want the best for our club. This whole sorry mess is making me consider giving it a break until something less depressing begins to happen. I won't because I'm with kindred spirits but, I really, really feel like it.This is where I share my grief dave so you need to be around to hear it :)
This whole episode is spoiling my enjoyment of this site. I derive hours of pleasure reading what is posted in the various threads. I learn things that I didn't know, I get laughs
Should have seen me earlier, Dave, I was giving the disableds a right kicking.
This whole episode is spoiling my enjoyment of this site. I derive hours of pleasure reading what is posted in the various threads. I learn things that I didn't know, I get laughs
Should have seen me earlier, Dave, I was giving the disableds a right kicking.
Would it be nice if we could get all of them.
Martin O'Neill, Alex McLeish, Gerald Houllier, Paul Lambert, Tim Sherwood, Remi Garde, Melvyn King, David Bernstein, Tom Fox get together and do a massive press conference together and reveal the world about working for Randy Lerner. Then Randy Lerner wouldn't be able to lawyer up as he can't shut up 9 people that easily. Let hope there is a take over as we need it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the only person remaining at senior management level by the end of the month is Paddy Riley.
Ooooooh. Would he be going to get David Moyes again?
My fear is that which john2710 has just mentioned on the Manager thread, they've gone over disagreement regarding the sale of the club. I've nothing more substantial than the timing of statements to base it on, insomuch as I only heard about any ongoing sale negotiations in the statement issued in response to King and Bernstein departing. Fuck me, imagine if a few years down the line we're looking back and missing Lerner's ownership!
This whole episode is spoiling my enjoyment of this site. I derive hours of pleasure reading what is posted in the various threads. I learn things that I didn't know, I get laughs, I see the rows and bickering but, I know that we are all Villa fans and want the best for our club. This whole sorry mess is making me consider giving it a break until something less depressing begins to happen. I won't because I'm with kindred spirits but, I really, really feel like it.
Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
Its all about the dollar.Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
Look at it a different way.that is ridiculous
Bernstein was heading a consortium to buy Villa in the summer, with King sourcing investment.
They discover yesterday that Lerner is in advanced talks with another buyer without disclosing the information to Bernstein and King.
The mention of clear reporting could mean they werent informed of any other offers, and Lerer has sold out to another party for more money than agreed with Bernstein.
Basically, have they been gazumped?
Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
This whole episode is spoiling my enjoyment of this site. I derive hours of pleasure reading what is posted in the various threads. I learn things that I didn't know, I get laughs, I see the rows and bickering but, I know that we are all Villa fans and want the best for our club. This whole sorry mess is making me consider giving it a break until something less depressing begins to happen. I won't because I'm with kindred spirits but, I really, really feel like it.
Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
Now now, we've all had a few. Lets not go too far and say things we'll regret.
Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
Now now, we've all had a few. Lets not go too far and say things we'll regret.
I reckon paulie has been handed a sneak preview of the latest Hodgson report. What do you know walnuts?
you are ignoring the Randy inspired reverse takeover of Blose, selling VP and a new badge with 2 bollocks and a river. The river is to depict the one he has sold us down.Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
Now now, we've all had a few. Lets not go too far and say things we'll regret.
I reckon paulie has been handed a sneak preview of the latest Hodgson report. What do you know walnuts?
Only that we're currently re-re-designing the badge to one featuring a picture of a Bentley, a yacht and a coffin.
You forgot 'the amazing wife and two fab kids'. ;)Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
Now now, we've all had a few. Lets not go too far and say things we'll regret.
I reckon paulie has been handed a sneak preview of the latest Hodgson report. What do you know walnuts?
Only that we're currently re-re-designing the badge to one featuring a picture of a Bentley, a yacht and a coffin.
Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
Now now, we've all had a few. Lets not go too far and say things we'll regret.
I reckon paulie has been handed a sneak preview of the latest Hodgson report. What do you know walnuts?
Only that we're currently re-re-designing the badge to one featuring a picture of a Bentley, a yacht and a coffin.
Bevington set to leave now apparently.
Bevington set to leave now apparently.
No surprise.
Apparently PR is married to someone in the finance department at villa parkwhich is nice.
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.Very funny Mr Walnuts. I am busting with laughter!
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.Very funny Mr Walnuts. I am busting with laughter!
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.Very funny Mr Walnuts. I am busting with laughter!
The two lions were seen waiting for a bus on Witton Square. One of them was heard to say 'Fcuk this shit.'
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.Very funny Mr Walnuts. I am busting with laughter!
The two lions were seen waiting for a bus on Witton Square. One of them was heard to say 'Fcuk this shit.'
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.
Its all about the dollar.Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.
I'd honestly favour a Hodgson led takeover to any longer with the current incompetent man-baby.
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.Mr. McGregor is quite clearly an older statue who walks with the aid of a stick. Can you not stop your sickening sneering at the disabled?
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.Mr. McGregor is quite clearly an older statue who walks with the aid of a stick. Can you not stop your sickening sneering at the disabled?
I thnk the phrase: "The Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club" is vague enough not to necessarily mean the square root of fuck all. Perhaps he's negotiating with Lerner?
It'll be like the last scene of Don Giovanni* - the McGregor statue will turn up at Randy's house to drag him down to hell.
*I apologise for the unbelievably middle class reference.
It'll be like the last scene of Don Giovanni* - the McGregor statue will turn up at Randy's house to drag him down to hell.
*I apologise for the unbelievably middle class reference.
Where do the stories of Lerners mother now being in charge of the money come from??
Where do the stories of Lerners mother now being in charge of the money come from??
I could be wrong but I think she's always had the final say in the Lerner Trust.
I can imagine the Lerners being like the family in Arrested Development.
I can imagine the Lerners being like the family in Arrested Development.
It can only be a matter of time before the McGregor statue decides he's had enough, too.Very funny Mr Walnuts. I am busting with laughter!
The two lions were seen waiting for a bus on Witton Square. One of them was heard to say 'Fcuk this shit.'
It'll be like the last scene of Don Giovanni* - the McGregor statue will turn up at Randy's house to drag him down to hell.
*I apologise for the unbelievably middle class reference.
It'll be like the last scene of Don Giovanni* - the McGregor statue will turn up at Randy's house to drag him down to hell.
*I apologise for the unbelievably middle class reference.
It's more like the bit in John Adams' avant-garde work 'The Death of Klinghoffer' where a disabled man is pushed into the sea
Walnuts would like that
Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.Do you honestly things could get worse than they are now?!
Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that readsAll this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."
Regarding a new owner, be careful what you wish for, very careful.Do you honestly things could get worse than they are now?!
Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that reads
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."
All this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS..
Yes, his ownership has turned out to be disastrous, but this sort of stuff is ridiculous
And a couple of ex-players would know all about Lerners finances and relationship with his mum? Come on, it's bollocks and stooping to this sort of level does nobody any credit.Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that reads
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."QuoteAll this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
Yes, his ownership has turned out to be disastrous, but this sort of stuff is ridiculous
Why? his mother is rumoured to be controlling the Lerner family trust purse strings though. It was first mentioned on here last year that she told him that the club needs to be self sufficient and any money to be spent has to be generated by the club and not bankrolled from the family fortune. I think the source of this was a couple of ex players.
If someone on here wants to make fun of that, then why don't you just ignore it and let them carry on
*KING: HOPES ASTON VILLA BACK ON TRACK IN NEXT FEW WEEKS
*KING: HOPES ASTON VILLA BACK ON TRACK IN NEXT FEW WEEKS
Where is this from?
And a couple of ex-players would know all about Lerners finances and relationship with his mum? Come on, it's bollocks and stooping to this sort of level does nobody any credit.Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that reads
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."QuoteAll this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS..
Yes, his ownership has turned out to be disastrous, but this sort of stuff is ridiculous
Why? his mother is rumoured to be controlling the Lerner family trust purse strings though. It was first mentioned on here last year that she told him that the club needs to be self sufficient and any money to be spent has to be generated by the club and not bankrolled from the family fortune. I think the source of this was a couple of ex players.
If someone on here wants to make fun of that, then why don't you just ignore it and let them carry on
*KING: HOPES ASTON VILLA BACK ON TRACK IN NEXT FEW WEEKS
Where is this from?
Bloomberg TV
*KING: HOPES ASTON VILLA BACK ON TRACK IN NEXT FEW WEEKS
Where is this from?
Bloomberg TV
That can only mean a sale is imminent.
*KING: HOPES ASTON VILLA BACK ON TRACK IN NEXT FEW WEEKS
Where is this from?
Bloomberg TV
That can only mean a sale is imminent.
*KING: HOPES ASTON VILLA BACK ON TRACK IN NEXT FEW WEEKS
Surely there are more important things to get your knicker in a twist over than this???!!!!And a couple of ex-players would know all about Lerners finances and relationship with his mum? Come on, it's bollocks and stooping to this sort of level does nobody any credit.Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that reads
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."QuoteAll this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
Yes, his ownership has turned out to be disastrous, but this sort of stuff is ridiculous
Why? his mother is rumoured to be controlling the Lerner family trust purse strings though. It was first mentioned on here last year that she told him that the club needs to be self sufficient and any money to be spent has to be generated by the club and not bankrolled from the family fortune. I think the source of this was a couple of ex players.
If someone on here wants to make fun of that, then why don't you just ignore it and let them carry on
*KING: HOPES ASTON VILLA BACK ON TRACK IN NEXT FEW WEEKS
Where is this from?
Bloomberg TV
That can only mean a sale is imminent.
I think it's just a throw away remark saying he hopes things get better 'cos they're pretty shit right now. If there was a sale imminent I don't think he and Bernstein would have walked - if Randy didn't like their business model, maybe a new owner would, and they'd have stayed on to propose it and see it through.
Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that readsAll this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."
Maybe Randy's mom might want to read this and then smack his bottom
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-aston-villa-axe-staggering-11210956
Me too John. Easier!Why do you do whatever John's wife says?
This man has made a laughing stock of the club that we and in many cases our fathers and grandfathers have supported. Excuse me if I'm unconcerned about he or his mothers sensitivites.
Me too John. Easier!Why do you do whatever John's wife says?
she is quite scary in fairness
This man has made a laughing stock of the club that we and in many cases our fathers and grandfathers have supported. Excuse me if I'm unconcerned about he or his mothers sensitivites.
I just think along with calling people cowards etc, this sort of piss taking lacks class. There are other ways of venting frustration without this sort of stuff.
Maybe Randy's mom might want to read this and then smack his bottom
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-aston-villa-axe-staggering-11210956
Have I got enough posts to do the 'he's a very naughty boy' line from Life of Brian?
This man has made a laughing stock of the club that we and in many cases our fathers and grandfathers have supported. Excuse me if I'm unconcerned about he or his mothers sensitivites.
I just think along with calling people cowards etc, this sort of piss taking lacks class. There are other ways of venting frustration without this sort of stuff.
This man has made a laughing stock of the club that we and in many cases our fathers and grandfathers have supported. Excuse me if I'm unconcerned about he or his mothers sensitivites.
I just think along with calling people cowards etc, this sort of piss taking lacks class. There are other ways of venting frustration without this sort of stuff.
This man has made a laughing stock of the club that we and in many cases our fathers and grandfathers have supported. Excuse me if I'm unconcerned about he or his mothers sensitivites.
I just think along with calling people cowards etc, this sort of piss taking lacks class. There are other ways of venting frustration without this sort of stuff.
I'm not so sure chrisw1. The lack of communication from Randy Lerner (or, indeed, The Lerner Trust) for me, lacks class. They should either come out and give the Club clear communication and a sense of direction or face the onslaught of justified anger and frustration. How hard is it for them to hire a spokesperson to communicate their intentions and lay out their thoughts? They could nip all this in the bud if they wanted to.
Me too John. Easier!Why do you do whatever John's wife says?
she is quite scary in fairness
Likewise. Very. And has an ability to make sure I know I am in the doghouse while maintaining all is fine.
King just said that "both of us (Bernstein & King) hope that the events of the next few weeks will help put Villa back on track to where it should be".
Sounds like maybe there is a takeover in the offing??
Link
https://twitter.com/BloombergTV
I can imagine the Lerners being like the family in Arrested Development.
I think it's just a throw away remark saying he hopes things get better 'cos they're pretty shit right now. If there was a sale imminent I don't think he and Bernstein would have walked - if Randy didn't like their business model, maybe a new owner would, and they'd have stayed on to propose it and see it through.
Is it too early to give the order to TEBAR to be on full scale restaurant alert?
King just said that "both of us (Bernstein & King) hope that the events of the next few weeks will help put Villa back on track to where it should be".
Sounds like maybe there is a takeover in the offing??
Link
https://twitter.com/BloombergTV
We are overdue some positive news. Let's hope this is a glimmer that there will be some soon.
the ditherer in the States could blackball anytime.
Is it too early to give the order to TEBAR to be on full scale restaurant alert?
Dunno what TEBAR is but we certainly got her cousin FUBAR at the Villa
That interview is quite revealing. Let's hope the sale is importantly to someone who cares (which as the price drops you have wonder what kind of sharks start to emerge) and as critically to someone who wants to see this concluded quickly. The last thing we need more of is uncertainty. Quick sale and a good managerial appointment who receives assurances of the required resources for immediate promotion positively changes everything quite quickly.
The language he uses in that interview is much more that "might be interest" type stage, it is "when the club is sold" type language. He will obviously know what is going on and would hopefully not use such certain language if he thought it was not going to happen.
If he thought a takeover was in the offing, why resign in the way he did?Because the re-structuring was compromised by the sale?
Why not ride out the storm, it might only be for a short while ?
It doesn't quite tie in with the letters they both made public but let's hope there's something in it and more importantly, it's being sold to good people.
All this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
I think it's just a throw away remark saying he hopes things get better 'cos they're pretty shit right now. If there was a sale imminent I don't think he and Bernstein would have walked - if Randy didn't like their business model, maybe a new owner would, and they'd have stayed on to propose it and see it through.
Au contraire CJ, having listen twice to this interview I am convinced that his words were very measured......Godzvilla!
And a couple of ex-players would know all about Lerners finances and relationship with his mum? Come on, it's bollocks and stooping to this sort of level does nobody any credit.Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that reads
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."QuoteAll this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
Yes, his ownership has turned out to be disastrous, but this sort of stuff is ridiculous
Why? his mother is rumoured to be controlling the Lerner family trust purse strings though. It was first mentioned on here last year that she told him that the club needs to be self sufficient and any money to be spent has to be generated by the club and not bankrolled from the family fortune. I think the source of this was a couple of ex players.
If someone on here wants to make fun of that, then why don't you just ignore it and let them carry on
All this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
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All this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
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I think it's just a throw away remark saying he hopes things get better 'cos they're pretty shit right now. If there was a sale imminent I don't think he and Bernstein would have walked - if Randy didn't like their business model, maybe a new owner would, and they'd have stayed on to propose it and see it through.
Au contraire CJ, having listen twice to this interview I am convinced that his words were very measured......Godzvilla!
Hmmm. I've had another listen and, as Jimbo says above, the interesting line was 'I hope the sale will proceed speedily', which sounds promising. If there is a sale imminent it again begs the question of why he & Bernstein walked rather than bide their time & wait for the new owner - unless they wanted to make a point that they'd been asked to produce a business model, they produced it, Lerner wouldn't take it, so in principal their positions were untenable. Whatever the ins and outs - I'd be over the moon if there is a sale in the offing. I also think the appointment or non-appointment of a manager before the end of the season may be an additional indicator of whether something's in the pipeline or not.
If he thought a takeover was in the offing, why resign in the way he did?
Why not ride out the storm, it might only be for a short while ?
Randolphs Mum has probably come to the conclusion that her son is financially incontinent; as we speak young Randy is preparing a protest flag that reads
"No hope, no future, no more maple syrup & waffles!"
Friends have gathered outside the house proclaiming
"We want her out, Randys Mother out, she really does not understand"
"Randy is in a rut; his pocket moneys been cut"
"We want Randys mother out."QuoteAll this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS..
Yes, his ownership has turned out to be disastrous, but this sort of stuff is ridiculous
Why? his mother is rumoured to be controlling the Lerner family trust purse strings though. It was first mentioned on here last year that she told him that the club needs to be self sufficient and any money to be spent has to be generated by the club and not bankrolled from the family fortune. I think the source of this was a couple of ex players.
If someone on here wants to make fun of that, then why don't you just ignore it and let them carry on
If he thought a takeover was in the offing, why resign in the way he did?
Why not ride out the storm, it might only be for a short while ?
I said from the very beginning that the reason they resigned was because of a sale negotiation
I just thought that a new board were given control of all decisions regarding the running of the club including manager and players, and that what they came in to do
they then found out Randy was selling the club over their heads/behind their backs and they had absolutely no authority while that was going on
I don't know if any of that true or not, and people will and have punched holes in it making very good points for the opposite,
but that's the way I saw it at the time and still do
This tweet from well respected Sports journalist, Paul Hayward, yesterday certainly alludes to that:If he thought a takeover was in the offing, why resign in the way he did?
Why not ride out the storm, it might only be for a short while ?
I said from the very beginning that the reason they resigned was because of a sale negotiation
I just thought that a new board were given control of all decisions regarding the running of the club including manager and players, and that what they came in to do
they then found out Randy was selling the club over their heads/behind their backs and they had absolutely no authority while that was going on
I don't know if any of that true or not, and people will and have punched holes in it making very good points for the opposite,
but that's the way I saw it at the time and still do
If he thought a takeover was in the offing, why resign in the way he did?
Why not ride out the storm, it might only be for a short while ?
This tweet from well respected Sports journalist, Paul Hayward, yesterday certainly alludes to that:If he thought a takeover was in the offing, why resign in the way he did?
Why not ride out the storm, it might only be for a short while ?
I said from the very beginning that the reason they resigned was because of a sale negotiation
I just thought that a new board were given control of all decisions regarding the running of the club including manager and players, and that what they came in to do
they then found out Randy was selling the club over their heads/behind their backs and they had absolutely no authority while that was going on
I don't know if any of that true or not, and people will and have punched holes in it making very good points for the opposite,
but that's the way I saw it at the time and still do
Paul Hayward @_PaulHayward Apr 19
Lerner is trying to flog Villa while pretending to rebuild. Hence Bernstein/King walk-outs.
We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Watching that interview, I'd like to think that Lord King has more to offer as a board member in the future. He certainly has more passion and understanding of Aston Villa than those over-paid mercenary Wazzocks on the pitch
Maybe that is it in a nutshell. The radical thinking Bernstein spoke about was paying up of contracts, committing to a budget for an interested manager, implementing changes behind the scenes, the removal of Riley and going back to a scouting system overseen by the manager and/or football board, and despite reassurances, or noises from Lerner or Krulak, that they were going to listen, but when crunch time came - and that may be with a sale in the offing - Lerner either dithered or said no and so they said their position had become untenable as their remit was changed, that they walked.
Watching that interview, I'd like to think that Lord King has more to offer as a board member in the future. He certainly has more passion and understanding of Aston Villa than those over-paid mercenary Wazzocks on the pitch
I found myself thinking what a thoroughly good bloke he is.
He truly is one of us.
We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Seems reasonable as a guess to me.
Watching that interview, I'd like to think that Lord King has more to offer as a board member in the future. He certainly has more passion and understanding of Aston Villa than those over-paid mercenary Wazzocks on the pitch
I found myself thinking what a thoroughly good bloke he is.
He truly is one of us.
Same. Congratulations Randy for now succeeding in forcing a dedicated fan and world class professional to quit the board. How many clubs does he think would be lucky enough to have someone like King just offer their services? And now we don't have that.
Fucking hell are we badly run. The only positive is that King sounded to me like he's sure there's a sale in the offing. That's my comfort right now.
Surely shrewd players like Bernstein an King would have been given assurances about budget BEFORE they agreed to any job. In my mind, either the budget has changed or a takeover is well advanced, making the re-structuring unnecessary. Given that they've only been there a couple of months and Lerner's history, I'd be inclined to say its the former, but obviously I'm praying it's the latter.Yeah, I think the former too - surely if a sale was close now, the process would have been well underway six weeks ago and all scenarios covered when the new people joined.
It's not as if all our problems are suddenly going to vanish as soon as a new owner arrives.We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Seems reasonable as a guess to me.
On a separate and on a rather juvenile note I keep wanting to say Stadler and Waldorf instead of Bernstein and King.
We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Seems reasonable as a guess to me.
So why would they resign in what seems to be a fairly angry way rather than thinking "I wonder if the new owners might need a couple of extremely experienced people to help".
It's not as if all our problems are suddenly going to vanish as soon as a new owner arrives.
It's not as if all our problems are suddenly going to vanish as soon as a new owner arrives.We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Seems reasonable as a guess to me.
No, but the main one will.
We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Seems reasonable as a guess to me.
So why would they resign in what seems to be a fairly angry way rather than thinking "I wonder if the new owners might need a couple of extremely experienced people to help".
It's not as if all our problems are suddenly going to vanish as soon as a new owner arrives.
Maybe they were involved in a bid for the club and Randy has opted for another one??
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
Very, very good - an out-loud giggle (which perplexed a few colleagues).All this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
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It's not as if all our problems are suddenly going to vanish as soon as a new owner arrives.We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Seems reasonable as a guess to me.
No, but the main one will.
It will. But that doesn't change my point at all.
Very, very good - an out-loud giggle (which perplexed a few colleagues).All this talking about Lerners mum and stuff is just pathetic. Grow up FFS.
Norma salutes your gallantry
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Lerner has been in two minds about selling the club for, what is it? Four years now?
There is a credible buyer in contact but Lerner is still trying to hedge his bets. He'll sell 'at the right price' but he's got this restructuring going on anyway which he's using to strengthen his hand with the buyer.
King and Bernstein tell him that if he's serious about the restructuring, he has to e.g. employ Moyes now otherwise he's going to Celtic. Lerner looks in his wallet and his bluff is called.
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
Lerner has been in two minds about selling the club for, what is it? Four years now?
There is a credible buyer in contact but Lerner is still trying to hedge his bets. He'll sell 'at the right price' but he's got this restructuring going on anyway which he's using to strengthen his hand with the buyer.
King and Bernstein tell him that if he's serious about the restructuring, he has to e.g. employ Moyes now otherwise he's going to Celtic. Lerner looks in his wallet and his bluff is called.
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
How does them walking away force Lerner into a sale? He will sell when he wants to, period.
On a separate and on a rather juvenile note I keep wanting to say Stadler and Waldorf instead of Bernstein and King.
I was thinking Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern, but yours is much better.
Lerner has been in two minds about selling the club for, what is it? Four years now?
There is a credible buyer in contact but Lerner is still trying to hedge his bets. He'll sell 'at the right price' but he's got this restructuring going on anyway which he's using to strengthen his hand with the buyer.
King and Bernstein tell him that if he's serious about the restructuring, he has to e.g. employ Moyes now otherwise he's going to Celtic. Lerner looks in his wallet and his bluff is called.
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
How does them walking away force Lerner into a sale? He will sell when he wants to, full stop.
Watching that interview, I'd like to think that Lord King has more to offer as a board member in the future. He certainly has more passion and understanding of Aston Villa than those over-paid mercenary Wazzocks on the pitch
I found myself thinking what a thoroughly good bloke he is.
He truly is one of us.
Watching that interview, I'd like to think that Lord King has more to offer as a board member in the future. He certainly has more passion and understanding of Aston Villa than those over-paid mercenary Wazzocks on the pitch
I found myself thinking what a thoroughly good bloke he is.
He truly is one of us.
King has shown Love & Pride for the Villa
Lerner has been in two minds about selling the club for, what is it? Four years now?
There is a credible buyer in contact but Lerner is still trying to hedge his bets. He'll sell 'at the right price' but he's got this restructuring going on anyway which he's using to strengthen his hand with the buyer.
King and Bernstein tell him that if he's serious about the restructuring, he has to e.g. employ Moyes now otherwise he's going to Celtic. Lerner looks in his wallet and his bluff is called.
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
How does them walking away force Lerner into a sale? He will sell when he wants to, period.
You both are rather upper class for this forum.On a separate and on a rather juvenile note I keep wanting to say Stadler and Waldorf instead of Bernstein and King.
I was thinking Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern, but yours is much better.
King has shown Love & Pride for the Villa
Lerner has been in two minds about selling the club for, what is it? Four years now?
There is a credible buyer in contact but Lerner is still trying to hedge his bets. He'll sell 'at the right price' but he's got this restructuring going on anyway which he's using to strengthen his hand with the buyer.
King and Bernstein tell him that if he's serious about the restructuring, he has to e.g. employ Moyes now otherwise he's going to Celtic. Lerner looks in his wallet and his bluff is called.
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
How does them walking away force Lerner into a sale? He will sell when he wants to.
Corrected.
You both are rather upper class for this forum.On a separate and on a rather juvenile note I keep wanting to say Stadler and Waldorf instead of Bernstein and King.
I was thinking Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern, but yours is much better.
Lerner has been in two minds about selling the club for, what is it? Four years now?
There is a credible buyer in contact but Lerner is still trying to hedge his bets. He'll sell 'at the right price' but he's got this restructuring going on anyway which he's using to strengthen his hand with the buyer.
King and Bernstein tell him that if he's serious about the restructuring, he has to e.g. employ Moyes now otherwise he's going to Celtic. Lerner looks in his wallet and his bluff is called.
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
How does them walking away force Lerner into a sale? He will sell when he wants to, period.
True. But if true their resignation certainly removes the rebuilding charade allowing the longest possible time for someone else to show interest. Better they act now I suppose than just before the start of next season.
Lerner has been in two minds about selling the club for, what is it? Four years now?
There is a credible buyer in contact but Lerner is still trying to hedge his bets. He'll sell 'at the right price' but he's got this restructuring going on anyway which he's using to strengthen his hand with the buyer.
King and Bernstein tell him that if he's serious about the restructuring, he has to e.g. employ Moyes now otherwise he's going to Celtic. Lerner looks in his wallet and his bluff is called.
King and Bernstein see the whole restructuring business was a bluff and walk away thereby forcing Lerner into the sale.
How does them walking away force Lerner into a sale? He will sell when he wants to, period.
True. But if true their resignation certainly removes the rebuilding charade allowing the longest possible time for someone else to show interest. Better they act now I suppose than just before the start of next season.
Agree. While the restructuring was going on he thought he had options and more importantly could tell potential buyers that he had options. We all bought it didn't we? That's gone now.
You can only continue with a charade until you have to put up. It sounds as though the recommendation stage had finished and it was time to act on the recommendations. This is when it fell apart.It's still amazing though that he's that much of a div that he didn't see this coming.
You can only continue with a charade until you have to put up. It sounds as though the recommendation stage had finished and it was time to act on the recommendations. This is when it fell apart.It's still amazing though that he's that much of a div that he didn't see this coming.
You both are rather upper class for this forum.On a separate and on a rather juvenile note I keep wanting to say Stadler and Waldorf instead of Bernstein and King.
I was thinking Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern, but yours is much better.
Yeah I'm fed up with all these pretentious references to The Muppets, and whatever it is Monty is referring to this time.
I dread to think the mess we will be left with if the buyer pulls out.I'm checking ebay to see if the fool has put us up for sale on there..
I do not think this is difficult to work out when you read all of the Quotes and ignore the conjecture.
K&B positions became untenable, this means that they were not in a position to take the required decisions.
There is obviously a sale negotiation continuing and King made it clear that this needs to happen because the existing governance of the club doesn't work.
I dread to think the mess we will be left with if the buyer pulls out.
I do not think this is difficult to work out when you read all of the Quotes and ignore the conjecture.
K&B positions became untenable, this means that they were not in a position to take the required decisions.
There is obviously a sale negotiation continuing and King made it clear that this needs to happen because the existing governance of the club doesn't work.
I dread to think the mess we will be left with if the buyer pulls out.
Also a word of caution if they don't, and we do have new owners before next season, there are plenty of Venkys/Carson Yeungs about. Just because we've got a dreadful owner at the moment, doesn't mean the next guy won't be dreadful too, especially given the fact Lerner's the clown selling.
I do not think this is difficult to work out when you read all of the Quotes and ignore the conjecture.
K&B positions became untenable, this means that they were not in a position to take the required decisions.
There is obviously a sale negotiation continuing and King made it clear that this needs to happen because the existing governance of the club doesn't work.
I dread to think the mess we will be left with if the buyer pulls out.
Also a word of caution if they don't, and we do have new owners before next season, there are plenty of Venkys/Carson Yeungs about. Just because we've got a dreadful owner at the moment, doesn't mean the next guy won't be dreadful too, especially given the fact Lerner's the clown selling.
True. Our previous owner was dreadful also, so perhaps we'll be third time lucky?
Take my word for it.
We wont be sold this summer or next. It's the same old bollocks trotted out every year to deflect from the latest disaster
We all know that Lerner is trying to sell. paying compo to another club for the desired manager (or that managers coaching team), paying off contracts of shit players, Hiring other individuals the board have highlighted etc and other cost negative actions drawn up in the recovery plan would be akin to putting new alloys on a car after you have advertised it with a sale price - they cost you money that you will in all probability not recoup in the sale.
I think the fallout has come from Lerner blocking something in this ilk as he believes he is close to a sale for an agreed value and has closed his wallet. This would give the directors very little to do and possibly make their position untenable.
Seems reasonable as a guess to me.
So why would they resign in what seems to be a fairly angry way rather than thinking "I wonder if the new owners might need a couple of extremely experienced people to help".
It's not as if all our problems are suddenly going to vanish as soon as a new owner arrives.
Where's ADMIN when you need him?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36094976
Flesh on the bones
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36094976
Flesh on the bones
Not exactly, sounds more to me like Hollis promised what he couldn't deliver. Either way it's a shambles.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36094976
Flesh on the bones
'It is understood that Bernstein and King came into Villa expecting a far greater level of authority and autonomy than they ultimately received.'
Proof that, as with Remi, Randy can only get people to work for him if he lies to their faces.
Not exactly, sounds more to me like Hollis promised what he couldn't deliver. Either way it's a shambles.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36094976
Flesh on the bones
'It is understood that Bernstein and King came into Villa expecting a far greater level of authority and autonomy than they ultimately received.'
Proof that, as with Remi, Randy can only get people to work for him if he lies to their faces.
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?In fairness he came across as a real good bloke at first, encouraged communication with the fans, lots of gestures like doing up the Holte Hotel (which some focus group had obviously told him was important to the fans), free travel, scarfs etc. The Acorns connection, all great until we shot for the stars and fell just short.
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
Well true. But Hollis maybe has more invested in the role I guess. I suspect quitting wouldn't be financially prudent for him.Not exactly, sounds more to me like Hollis promised what he couldn't deliver. Either way it's a shambles.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36094976
Flesh on the bones
'It is understood that Bernstein and King came into Villa expecting a far greater level of authority and autonomy than they ultimately received.'
Proof that, as with Remi, Randy can only get people to work for him if he lies to their faces.
If this is true then I can't see how Mr Hollis can stay given that he appears to have been completely undermined as well.
Now I wonder who leaked that email to the cnutodian of our great club.
"Their initial communication with Lerner was positive, but that changed when they set about implementing their plans and it is not clear whether the owner was ever fully aware of the exact brief agreed between them and Hollis."
Absolutely astonishing!
Doesn't sound like a takeover is coming.
One of the Nationals might get hold of the email exchange...
One of the Nationals might get hold of the email exchange...
Be worth a few quid that, especially to anyone who has just lost their job.
One of the Nationals might get hold of the email exchange...
The General?http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36094976
Flesh on the bones
So some arsehole leaked an e-mail. What a fuckwit, that has put us into complete turmoil. So frustrating.
Probably Gabby.
It was a bit naive to slag him off over via email but all in all it's one big bloody embarrassing soap opera. I think Sir Graham would be using a different word to 'shambles' this time round.
And the hits just keep on coming...tune in tom'w...
Much as i'd back the pair of them over Randy, it was pretty fucking stupid to criticise your boss on company emails. At least one of them must have been using Villa emails for them to be leaked to Lerner as I seriously doubt the grass would have ad access to their personal home emails.
And the hits just keep on coming...tune in tom'w...
Yep, you do wonder what's going to happen next, it's never ending at the moment. The media must be loving it.
Much as i'd back the pair of them over Randy, it was pretty fucking stupid to criticise your boss on company emails. At least one of them must have been using Villa emails for them to be leaked to Lerner as I seriously doubt the grass would have ad access to their personal home emails.
The cynic in me wonders is this more Lerner PR bollocks to make him appear like the offended party. The sooner this arsehole departs Aston Villa the better but then I've been saying that for several years now.
I am truly sick and tired of hearing about Randy Lerner
The cynic in me wonders is this more Lerner PR bollocks to make him appear like the offended party. The sooner this arsehole departs Aston Villa the better but then I've been saying that for several years now.
I doubt it, B & K would say something if it was bollocks. To me, their resignation letters show they won't take any crap.
Wasn't Lerner's son given a role over here? Could be the spy in the ranks or the General of course?
For the first time in God knows how many years, I am going to the pub in midweek.
If it was, for example, them emailing each other from home using hotmail email addresses, how would anyone have been able to grass them up to Lerner?
If it was, for example, them emailing each other from home using hotmail email addresses, how would anyone have been able to grass them up to Lerner?
The cynic in me wonders is this more Lerner PR bollocks to make him appear like the offended party. The sooner this arsehole departs Aston Villa the better but then I've been saying that for several years now.
I doubt it, B & K would say something if it was bollocks. To me, their resignation letters show they won't take any crap.
Oh I don't doubt that they wouldn't wear his nonsense. Its just the implication that they were exchanging critical emails which were leaked to Lerner.I am pretty sure that they are savy enough to address any issues formally.
From: Merve the Swerve
To: David Bernstein
cc: Adrian Bevington; Sir Brian Little of B6
Dear David
I share your frustrations. This prissy little mommy's boy is really starting to get on my tits. And I've put up with fuckwits and outright c***s like Alastair Darling, Gordon Brown, George Osborne and David Cameron for over a decade.
The whole clubs going down the shitter quicker than the output of Jimmy Fivebellies after a double Chicken Phall and bar of Exlax for desert. If we can't get the twat to sense we'll have to go behind his back. That would of course getting Steve on board and we don't know which side of the fence he's going to sit.
Best Regards
Merve the Swerve
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From:Adrian Bernstein
To: Merve the Swerve
cc: Adrian Bevington; Sir Brian Little of B6
Subject: Our Boss
Dear Mervyn
This yankee eejit really a ginourmous thundercunt. It's getting impossible to do anything with this overbearing twat second guessing our every move.
How the f##k are we going to get anything sensible past this f##ker?
Best Regards
Adrian
Either way, I wouldn't junior members of staff whom I employ to be so unprofessional. This is ridiculously small time.
Not hard to understand why we haven't been sold. Negotiating with Lerner must be a nightmare.
If it was, for example, them emailing each other from home using hotmail email addresses, how would anyone have been able to grass them up to Lerner?
Someone could have been copied in who forwarded the email chain either mistakenly or not.
King said we are close to a sale on Bloomberg today. Most reliable source who's ever said it surely?
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
The thing is that Mervyn King has worked and dealt with a few pillocks in his time. For him to throw in the towel and walk away after a few months with Lerner is very worrying.
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
The thing is that Mervyn King has worked and dealt with a few pillocks in his time. For him to throw in the towel and walk away after a few months with Lerner is very worrying.
He had to work with them - it was his job. This is a hobby.
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
The thing is that Mervyn King has worked and dealt with a few pillocks in his time. For him to throw in the towel and walk away after a few months with Lerner is very worrying.
He had to work with them - it was his job. This is a hobby.
Hobby yes. But he obviously has a life long passion for Aston Villa and it must be something very severe for him to walk away. This is a man with a hugely distinguished career behind him don't forget. I doubt very much he'd want to be tarnished by such toxicity.
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
The thing is that Mervyn King has worked and dealt with a few pillocks in his time. For him to throw in the towel and walk away after a few months with Lerner is very worrying.
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
The thing is that Mervyn King has worked and dealt with a few pillocks in his time. For him to throw in the towel and walk away after a few months with Lerner is very worrying.
He had to work with them - it was his job. This is a hobby.
Hobby yes. But he obviously has a life long passion for Aston Villa and it must be something very severe for him to walk away. This is a man with a hugely distinguished career behind him don't forget. I doubt very much he'd want to be tarnished by such toxicity.
Which is why I cannot understand why Brian Little hasn't gone as well. He won't want his reputation tarnished by these unseemly goings on. That is exactly what will happen if this rubbish carries on much longer.
King said we are close to a sale on Bloomberg today. Most reliable source who's ever said it surely?
Must be some truth in it if he's saying it. I doubt if he'd bullshit fellow Villa fans about something so important.
King said we are close to a sale on Bloomberg today. Most reliable source who's ever said it surely?
Must be some truth in it if he's saying it. I doubt if he'd bullshit fellow Villa fans about something so important.
He actually said "the" sale which if you listen to it in context suggested that something very specific was being worked on.
Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
The thing is that Mervyn King has worked and dealt with a few pillocks in his time. For him to throw in the towel and walk away after a few months with Lerner is very worrying.
He had to work with them - it was his job. This is a hobby.
Hobby yes. But he obviously has a life long passion for Aston Villa and it must be something very severe for him to walk away. This is a man with a hugely distinguished career behind him don't forget. I doubt very much he'd want to be tarnished by such toxicity.
Which is why I cannot understand why Brian Little hasn't gone as well. He won't want his reputation tarnished by these unseemly goings on. That is exactly what will happen if this rubbish carries on much longer.
Perhaps Little needs the job? It's one thing walking out on principle but usually people who do it are financially secure, and/or they've got another well paid job to walk into.
I have also followed Rangers FC for a long time and that lot went through many twists and turns at board level. It does feel like it is never-ending......and up there it still hasn't.
So I don't hold out much hope that it is finished yet in B6 either.
But like may posters, I also find it incredible that such senior citizens as Bernstein & King would indulge in slagging off the owner in e-mails. Surely they deserve the wrath they suffered, if that was truly the case. Acting like kids. Let's get somebody serious in here. Please ?
True, but let's face it, he is a cock isn't he?
"It is a very proud club with a great tradition, a wonderful fan-base," he said. "It has a terrific future, I think that will come under a different owner, I hope the sale will proceed speedily.
Doesn't seem to imply a sale in progress or not. Very open to different interpretations
I think the resignations may be the catalysist for the change to happen.
There is obviously great frustration at the highest levels, and B and K may be able to force the much needed change, through higlighting the log jam.
I think what Mervyn King said on Bloomberg was very encouraging.
Oh and ps. this on the back of the comments on the OS when King and Bernstein quitting, that "Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club".
Why even put that in there?
YES Sheffield, you have a fair point there but all this speculation is not an exact science is it ? Especially given we have no real idea what Lerner read , nor what he replied. We also don't know how he took to their appointments, whether he'd even heard of either of them or whether he gives a monkey's about them and their opinions anyway ! I just find it pretty amazing and I guess more will eventually be unearthed/revealed as time goes on. Meanwhile .....lets continue to enjoy the speculation, eh ?I have also followed Rangers FC for a long time and that lot went through many twists and turns at board level. It does feel like it is never-ending......and up there it still hasn't.
So I don't hold out much hope that it is finished yet in B6 either.
But like may posters, I also find it incredible that such senior citizens as Bernstein & King would indulge in slagging off the owner in e-mails. Surely they deserve the wrath they suffered, if that was truly the case. Acting like kids. Let's get somebody serious in here. Please ?
There's a difference though between 'slagging off' and 'being critical of'.
If they were writing things like 'he's a cock', fair enough, that's childish. If they were expressing genuine concerns on the situation they were meant to be managing - that's fair enough isn't it?
According to the BBC Radio, who broke the story, Lerner "issued a stinging rebuke" to B&K, after they criticised him in a private email conversation, which implies that RL is thin skinned, and was the one doing the name calling. I can't imagine two well respected and honourable businessmen like B&K would be anything other than professional and proper in their business lives.I have also followed Rangers FC for a long time and that lot went through many twists and turns at board level. It does feel like it is never-ending......and up there it still hasn't.
So I don't hold out much hope that it is finished yet in B6 either.
But like may posters, I also find it incredible that such senior citizens as Bernstein & King would indulge in slagging off the owner in e-mails. Surely they deserve the wrath they suffered, if that was truly the case. Acting like kids. Let's get somebody serious in here. Please ?
There's a difference though between 'slagging off' and 'being critical of'.
If they were writing things like 'he's a cock', fair enough, that's childish. If they were expressing genuine concerns on the situation they were meant to be managing - that's fair enough isn't it?
YES Sheffield, you have a fair point there but all this speculation is not an exact science is it ? Especially given we have no real idea what Lerner read , nor what he replied. We also don't know how he took to their appointments, whether he'd even heard of either of them or whether he gives a monkey's about them and their opinions anyway ! I just find it pretty amazing and I guess more will eventually be unearthed/revealed as time goes on. Meanwhile .....lets continue to enjoy the speculation, eh ?I have also followed Rangers FC for a long time and that lot went through many twists and turns at board level. It does feel like it is never-ending......and up there it still hasn't.
So I don't hold out much hope that it is finished yet in B6 either.
But like may posters, I also find it incredible that such senior citizens as Bernstein & King would indulge in slagging off the owner in e-mails. Surely they deserve the wrath they suffered, if that was truly the case. Acting like kids. Let's get somebody serious in here. Please ?
There's a difference though between 'slagging off' and 'being critical of'.
If they were writing things like 'he's a cock', fair enough, that's childish. If they were expressing genuine concerns on the situation they were meant to be managing - that's fair enough isn't it?
I think the resignations may be the catalysist for the change to happen.
There is obviously great frustration at the highest levels, and B and K may be able to force the much needed change, through higlighting the log jam.
I think what Mervyn King said on Bloomberg was very encouraging.
I wish I still had optimism like yours. With each passing day, I become more convinced that whatever anybody says or does makes not one tiny jot of difference.
It is clutching at straws, I know.
Agree with the last bit, though. A straw to clutch at, at least.
Much as i'd back the pair of them over Randy, it was pretty fucking stupid to criticise your boss on company emails. At least one of them must have been using Villa emails for them to be leaked to Lerner as I seriously doubt the grass would have had access to their personal home emails.An issue of disloyalty come to fore here. After all Lerner as bad as he is was their Boss.
Yes Bevington spinning it.Oh and ps. this on the back of the comments on the OS when King and Bernstein quitting, that "Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club".
Why even put that in there?
"Something really bad has happened"
"But hey, here's something to deflect a bit of the attention from us"
That.
I don't trust these people.
I'd love to read them. And to find out who leaked them.Well Villa and most football clubs are fairly small organisations in some areas of the business such as HR, Finance etc. So it is entirely possible that people in those jobs have double roles such as looking after some bog and drains stuff. In doing that they would have admin rights for the Club IT system and be able to access most of the email and other computer based information. Clearly someone in that area saw this and felt that their loyalty/duty was to expose this to the owner. They may even have a task to keep an eye on this sort of stuff with explicit instruction to inform.
Unless Bernstein or King pressed "send all" by mistake and ended up mailing the whole club. We've all done it
Much as i'd back the pair of them over Randy, it was pretty fucking stupid to criticise your boss on company emails. At least one of them must have been using Villa emails for them to be leaked to Lerner as I seriously doubt the grass would have had access to their personal home emails.An issue of disloyalty come to fore here. After all Lerner as bad as he is was their Boss.
I would bet on the 'slagging off' between B and K being nothing more than slightly critical of the c**ty one and his reaction being completely over the top because he is a raging bellend. They are too long in the tooth to be sending childish insults.
Given the Man in The USA is so thin-skinned ( everybody tells me ) my guess is that he has vested that task in " The General ". Krulak sifts the inter-waves for critical acclaim of his revered leader and when he finds pooh, he places it steaming in front of his paymaster, I speculate.
Oh and ps. this on the back of the comments on the OS when King and Bernstein quitting, that "Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club".
Why even put that in there?
"Something really bad has happened"
"But hey, here's something to deflect a bit of the attention from us"
That.
I don't trust these people.
Given the Man in The USA is so thin-skinned ( everybody tells me ) my guess is that he has vested that task in " The General ". Krulak sifts the inter-waves for critical acclaim of his revered leader and when he finds pooh, he places it steaming in front of his paymaster, I speculate.
I conclude, Sir, that they are all trying to steal your 'essence'.
I think the answer lies in this comment. Some vindictive arsehole has got hold of this email and decided to do some real shit stirring. Lerner is not accustomed to being criticised so took it badly. I think he has forced the resignations of B&K to save face and any pay off due if they were fired. He quickly lost faith in them when he was told of their distrust and dislike of him. I think the General was bought in to do some digging and report back. Wouldn't surprise me if he was involved in the leaked email. I have no inside track so this is my interpretation of everything we've been privy to in the last few days.Perhaps Randy Lerner just isn't actually very nice?
There's always been this sort of tacit assumption that he's a good bloke but a bit naive and misguided, but none of us actually know him, do we?
The thing is that Mervyn King has worked and dealt with a few pillocks in his time. For him to throw in the towel and walk away after a few months with Lerner is very worrying.
He had to work with them - it was his job. This is a hobby.
Hobby yes. But he obviously has a life long passion for Aston Villa and it must be something very severe for him to walk away. This is a man with a hugely distinguished career behind him don't forget. I doubt very much he'd want to be tarnished by such toxicity.
I am sure it was not frivolous or abusive stuff just normal disagreements and malcontent issues being discussed however surprisingly naive to do so in writing and using club system. Disappointed in their lack of discretion.Much as i'd back the pair of them over Randy, it was pretty fucking stupid to criticise your boss on company emails. At least one of them must have been using Villa emails for them to be leaked to Lerner as I seriously doubt the grass would have had access to their personal home emails.An issue of disloyalty come to fore here. After all Lerner as bad as he is was their Boss.
That's true. But as directors, they've also got a duty of care to ensure that the business is run in a responsible manor that doesn't jeopardise it's future.
If they've been discussing how to get around him or bang some sense into him I think that's fair game.
Can you really imagine two serious operators like King and Bernstein, particularly with the miles they've got on the clock, indulging in a childish game of let's see who can come up with the most creative way to call him a f##king wanker with c*** on top.
Or alternatively Lerner has taken offence to them having the temerity to disagree with him and insist on the autonomy they believed they'd been recruited with and.been the one calling them a bunch of c***s.
Given the Man in The USA is so thin-skinned ( everybody tells me ) my guess is that he has vested that task in " The General ". Krulak sifts the inter-waves for critical acclaim of his revered leader and when he finds pooh, he places it steaming in front of his paymaster, I speculate.That's what I'm saying only you've put it more succinctly. ;)
Speculation in overdrive here. I have only seen the BBC written report and there does not seem to be much in that to suggest some of the speculative comments on here. Is it just the BBC reporter joining the dots after picking up on the correspondence mentioned in King's resignation letter with a bit of media 'licence' thrown in.Speculation will always be rife while we have the current ownership. They make the old Kremlin regime seem open and transparent.
Oh and ps. this on the back of the comments on the OS when King and Bernstein quitting, that "Chairman, Steve Hollis, is currently engaged in extensive negotiations in relation to the sale of the Club".
Why even put that in there?
"Something really bad has happened"
"But hey, here's something to deflect a bit of the attention from us"
That.
I don't trust these people.
Yes, that's why I thought the club said it. But I see it differently when King says it.
I am sure it was not frivolous or abusive stuff just normal disagreements and malcontent issues being discussed however surprisingly naive to do so in writing and using club system. Disappointed in their lack of discretion.Much as i'd back the pair of them over Randy, it was pretty fucking stupid to criticise your boss on company emails. At least one of them must have been using Villa emails for them to be leaked to Lerner as I seriously doubt the grass would have had access to their personal home emails.An issue of disloyalty come to fore here. After all Lerner as bad as he is was their Boss.
That's true. But as directors, they've also got a duty of care to ensure that the business is run in a responsible manor that doesn't jeopardise it's future.
If they've been discussing how to get around him or bang some sense into him I think that's fair game.
Can you really imagine two serious operators like King and Bernstein, particularly with the miles they've got on the clock, indulging in a childish game of let's see who can come up with the most creative way to call him a f##king wanker with c*** on top.
Or alternatively Lerner has taken offence to them having the temerity to disagree with him and insist on the autonomy they believed they'd been recruited with and.been the one calling them a bunch of c***s.
Cake and arse.
Don't know what to think really. Obviously the read mails bit has been leaked by King and Bernstein so they didn't think their comments warranted Lerner's reaction to their criticism or the fact he's reading private correspondence. Will the real Lerner stand up =Is he a distant owner tired of football and desperate to be shot of us or a control freak to the extent that any discussion of his failings is reported back to him by his minions in the IT department? Either way i can't think of anyone with such a gift of bollocking up Aston Villa with every fucking decision he makes. I dread to think who he's talking to about a takeover.
Don't know what to think really. Obviously the read mails bit has been leaked by King and Bernstein so they didn't think their comments warranted Lerner's reaction to their criticism or the fact he's reading private correspondence. Will the real Lerner stand up =Is he a distant owner tired of football and desperate to be shot of us or a control freak to the extent that any discussion of his failings is reported back to him by his minions in the IT department? Either way i can't think of anyone with such a gift of bollocking up Aston Villa with every fucking decision he makes. I dread to think who he's talking to about a takeover.
Do you know the famous speech from Liam Neeson on the phone in Taken? This is Randy's 'very particular set of skills'... f**king up a sports team.
Cake and arse.
What's the question?
I can't make that out either Ciggies. Unless they were asking for a chunk of money over and above club turnover, why was Lerner involved at all?
As I can't see any post from Pelty, I am none the wiser.
So B&K are tasked with finding out where the problems lie at Villa...then it should come as no surprise to RL that he is top of the list.My money's on his right hand man #the general
As important as this is, my other question is...who grassed up B&K to Randy...Hollis ?
The newly formed football board - comprising Bernstein, King, former Villa player and manager Brian Little and ex-Football Association executive Adrian Bevington - never actually held a meeting or discussion as a group.
Does this not seem strange or worrying?
Cake and arse.
What's the question?
What are Randy's two favorite foods when covered with squirty cream :o
The newly formed football board - comprising Bernstein, King, former Villa player and manager Brian Little and ex-Football Association executive Adrian Bevington - never actually held a meeting or discussion as a group.
Does this not seem strange or worrying?
Not really. I'm sure there was lots of discussion between members, just not a formal meeting.
I can't make that out either Ciggies. Unless they were asking for a chunk of money over and above club turnover, why was Lerner involved at all?
As I can't see any post from Pelty, I am none the wiser.
The post from Pelty is on the Randy Lerner thread mate...........
Intellectual property rights
Intellectual property rights
Is Lerner going to patent his formula for ruining a football club?
I've just remembered who Adrian Bevington is, and where I've met him before. I think Villa might manage to struggle on without him.Care to expand on that?
I've just remembered who Adrian Bevington is, and where I've met him before. I think Villa might manage to struggle on without him.Care to expand on that?
Congratulations on Blazerati, that's a fantastic invented word.
Aren't we in a similar position, where anyone with half a clue of how to deal with the media is preferable to the never ending silence and blind acceptance of whatever shit the press wish to publish.
Mind you, I could almost believe that we've suddenly employed Malcolm f##king Tucker to brief against Gabby and get him at least knocked down a peg or hundred, if not drop kicked out of Bodymoor Heath in the general direction of Minworth.
Congratulations on Blazerati, that's a fantastic invented word.
Aren't we in a similar position, where anyone with half a clue of how to deal with the media is preferable to the never ending silence and blind acceptance of whatever shit the press wish to publish.
Mind you, I could almost believe that we've suddenly employed Malcolm f##king Tucker to brief against Gabby and get him at least knocked down a peg or hundred, if not drop kicked out of Bodymoor Heath in the general direction of Minworth.
Malcolm Tucker ? Can we borrow his time machine ?
Honestly, this news comes as more of a blow to me than saturday's confirmation of relegation. Without drastic changes over the next couple of months, we're going to be in footballing purgatory for quite some time.my thoughts exactly Ger. All we can do now is wait and see what happens with a possible sale and new owners. My initial thoughts on reading this thread (which I've only just seen) was that King and Bernstein probably resigned due their non- agreement to sell to the prospective new owners. It seems that is not the case and they went due to recommendations re: overhauling the structure and regime at BH not being accepted by Hollis/Lerner. This is still very, very bad, waits clear that this major issue needs tackling, but I stil have a wafer of hope that a new buyer with a bit of nous will come in. What a complete and utter car crash of a club we are now.
There's a circus in the town.that's a measure of how bad it seems to have got. That shower of ****** will probably be singing that next season and without a hint of irony.
Hurry up and piss off Randy.
Can't say the source but it's as reliable and close to the situation as you can get.
They resigned in frustration but also to create a public outcry to force a quicker sale of the club.
Their frustrations with Lerner and the amount of times he would change his mind about major decisions to the point where he would go very far down a road only to change his mind at the last minute. In the end they had enough.
In addition, story of players (not named) texting Lerner direct undermining the manager. Described unsurprisingly as a shambles. History now but all the same.
Stuff like that only happens when the top allows it = shit leadershipCan't say the source but it's as reliable and close to the situation as you can get.
They resigned in frustration but also to create a public outcry to force a quicker sale of the club.
Their frustrations with Lerner and the amount of times he would change his mind about major decisions to the point where he would go very far down a road only to change his mind at the last minute. In the end they had enough.
In addition, story of players (not named) texting Lerner direct undermining the manager. Described unsurprisingly as a shambles. History now but all the same.
If true, that's not good on so many levels. What the fuck happened to our club?
Stuff like that only happens when the top allows it = shit leadershipCan't say the source but it's as reliable and close to the situation as you can get.
They resigned in frustration but also to create a public outcry to force a quicker sale of the club.
Their frustrations with Lerner and the amount of times he would change his mind about major decisions to the point where he would go very far down a road only to change his mind at the last minute. In the end they had enough.
In addition, story of players (not named) texting Lerner direct undermining the manager. Described unsurprisingly as a shambles. History now but all the same.
If true, that's not good on so many levels. What the fuck happened to our club?
Can't say the source but it's as reliable and close to the situation as you can get.
They resigned in frustration but also to create a public outcry to force a quicker sale of the club.
Their frustrations with Lerner and the amount of times he would change his mind about major decisions to the point where he would go very far down a road only to change his mind at the last minute. In the end they had enough.
In addition, story of players (not named) texting Lerner direct undermining the manager. Described unsurprisingly as a shambles. History now but all the same.
If true, that's not good on so many levels. What the fuck happened to our club?
Further update is that Mr King at least doesn't know anything about Tony Xia. That isn't implying a bad thing, just implies that he wasn't on the table when he was at the club.Well if someone of his stature in the world of finance hasn't heard of him I remain deeply uneasy about the sale.
I think Zia intends to be Doug Mark2 which may or may not be a good thing.Or he may turn out to be a complete disaster .We shall watch and observe.
I think Zia intends to be Doug Mark2 which may or may not be a good thing.Or he may turn out to be a complete disaster .We shall watch and observe.
Xia for ffs. Its only 3 letters!
I think Zia intends to be Doug Mark2 which may or may not be a good thing.Or he may turn out to be a complete disaster .We shall watch and observe.
Xia for ffs. Its only 3 letters!
Can't say the source but it's as reliable and close to the situation as you can get.
They resigned in frustration but also to create a public outcry to force a quicker sale of the club.
Their frustrations with Lerner and the amount of times he would change his mind about major decisions to the point where he would go very far down a road only to change his mind at the last minute. In the end they had enough.
In addition, story of players (not named) texting Lerner direct undermining the manager. Described unsurprisingly as a shambles. History now but all the same.
I think Zia intends to be Doug Mark2 which may or may not be a good thing.Or he may turn out to be a complete disaster .We shall watch and observe.
Xia for ffs. Its only 3 letters!
I think Zia intends to be Doug Mark2 which may or may not be a good thing.Or he may turn out to be a complete disaster .We shall watch and observe.
Xia for ffs. Its only 3 letters!
I wonder if he drives a Kia?
I think Zia intends to be Doug Mark2 which may or may not be a good thing.Or he may turn out to be a complete disaster .We shall watch and observe.
Xia for ffs. Its only 3 letters!
I wonder if he drives a Kia?
He has a wife called Tia.
I think Zia intends to be Doug Mark2 which may or may not be a good thing.Or he may turn out to be a complete disaster .We shall watch and observe.
Xia for ffs. Its only 3 letters!
I wonder if he drives a Kia?
He has a wife called Tia.
SH will be on in a minute demanding an end to ia puns.
SH will be on in a minute demanding an end to ia puns.
That moment is near.
Turning that around, Mark Carney the current Bank of England governor, if you asked him, do you know a businessman called Tony Xia from China a country with a population of 1.357bn I would be amazed if he had heard of him too.
The stuff about players texting Lerner to undermine Garde wouldn't surprise me. You can think what you wish of the competence of Fox but he was very derogatory about the behaviour of some of the players.
Turning that around, Mark Carney the current Bank of England governor, if you asked him, do you know a businessman called Tony Xia from China a country with a population of 1.357bn I would be amazed if he had heard of him too.
I suspect he could pick up the phone to one of his world wide banking contacts and find some information about him.
As I was told it, the catalyst behind Bernstein and King going was that Lerner wouldn't let them recruit a manager until the sale was sorted. As left them with little to do they buggered off and made reference to the sale needing doing quickly.
The stuff about players texting Lerner to undermine Garde wouldn't surprise me. You can think what you wish of the competence of Fox but he was very derogatory about the behaviour of some of the players.
As I was told it, the catalyst behind Bernstein and King going was that Lerner wouldn't let them recruit a manager until the sale was sorted. As left them with little to do they buggered off and made reference to the sale needing doing quickly.
The stuff about players texting Lerner to undermine Garde wouldn't surprise me. You can think what you wish of the competence of Fox but he was very derogatory about the behaviour of some of the players.
As I was told it, the catalyst behind Bernstein and King going was that Lerner wouldn't let them recruit a manager until the sale was sorted. As left them with little to do they buggered off and made reference to the sale needing doing quickly.
The stuff about players texting Lerner to undermine Garde wouldn't surprise me. You can think what you wish of the competence of Fox but he was very derogatory about the behaviour of some of the players.
The lack of manager once Garde went really peed me off. Once Garde left the whole club appeared as though it couldn't give a fk.
Whatever we think of Newcastle, they have given themselves the best chance of promotion. A manager who has had time to work out who he does and doesn't want, and now persuaded to stay on.