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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Fred Crump on April 14, 2016, 09:16:22 PM
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To lighten the gloom in the Crump household , we set ourselves the challenge of coming up with a Villa side of ex-players from the last decade that could possibly lose to the current 'team'. A tough task I'm sure you will agree, but we have tested it out on Football Manager and the results are encouraging - a hefty 0-4 thumping by Coldland Colts followed by a 0-6 drubbing by Marston Green Boys U12's. Some of the selections are obvious, and we have had to play 4-3-3 to come up with a impressively toothless attack. The main problems have been 1) how do we get the current side a goal, and 2) we couldn't come up with any spectacularly bad centre backs. We have solved both problems although only by bending our own rules a bit by picking two centre backs and a keeper who look like world beaters compared with the current lot, but who were capable on their day of committing spectacular howlers - hopefully one will come up with an o.g.
So here it is:
Peter Enckelman
Habib Beye Curtis Davies Zat Knight Tony Moon
Mathieu Berson Eric Djemba-Djemba (c) Jean Makoun
Niklas Hellenius Bosko Balaban Alexander Tonev
Subs: Najwan Gharyib, Yacouba Sylla , Moustafa Salifou, Michael Standing, Mark Kinsella
We've gone for some 'non-impact' subs who would be capable of coming on after 75 minutes and totally failing to influence the game.
The odds are still on a 0-0 draw , but if anyone could get our current lot a win , we reckon this shower might stand a chance. Anyone got any better suggestions ? :)
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I'd take that CH pairing over the current one to be fair.
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Lighten the gloom by picking an even worse team than we have now, really?
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Michael Standing. There's a name I'd completely forgotten. He and Barry came as a pair from Brighton didn't they?
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HEY CRUMP.that team would still beat your best eleven ;)
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What do you estimate the combined weekly wage bill for that lot is?
Scary.
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HEY CRUMP.that team would still beat your best eleven ;)
Ha Ha- you couldn't really trust either of the teams not to mess it up to be honest.
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Love that Salifou can't even get in that team!
Surprised there's no place for Jordan Bowery...he always looked like a fan who'd won a competition to play with the first team.
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Bowery was one of, if not the worst footballer I've ever seen play for the Villa. He was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him. Christ on a bike Lambert signed some utter shite.
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What do you estimate the combined weekly wage bill for that lot is?
Scary.
Goodness knows but it's heartbreaking when you think how much money has been squandered on dross yet we have virtually given away a whole team of class players - Barry, Milner, Cahill, Albrighton , Young, Benteke, snake etc etc....
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Balaban left the club more than a decade ago. Match will have to replayed due to an ineligible player.
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Love that Salifou can't even get in that team!
Surprised there's no place for Jordan Bowery...he always looked like a fan who'd won a competition to play with the first team.
Great shout on Bowery , I may need to have a re-think !
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What do you estimate the combined weekly wage bill for that lot is?
Scary.
Goodness knows but it's heartbreaking when you think how much money has been squandered on dross yet we have virtually given away a whole team of class players - Barry, Milner, Cahill, Albrighton , Young, Benteke, snake etc etc....
Given away? We received over £100m for them.
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Agathe, Kiraly and Routledge must be contenders.
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Balaban left the club more than a decade ago. Match will have to replayed due to an illegible player.
D'oh, quite right as ever Mr S ! That means that they could be the first team to get relegated with a minus number of points. The thought of a replay is too horrible to contemplate.
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What do you estimate the combined weekly wage bill for that lot is?
Scary.
Goodness knows but it's heartbreaking when you think how much money has been squandered on dross yet we have virtually given away a whole team of class players - Barry, Milner, Cahill, Albrighton , Young, Benteke, snake etc etc....
Given away? We received over £100m for them.
True but peanuts compared with their real value and the £200 mill that we will mis out on next season....
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Bloody he'll!! We really have had some very shocking players haven't we. Two more to throw in, not sure if they both qualify though: Carlton Cole and Marlon Hardwood.
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Here we are, can anyone match this:
Gk: Kiraly (if loans do not count Steer)
RB: Bardsley
CB: Beye
CB:Knight
LB: Luna
RM: Tonev
CM: Osbourne
CM: Djemba Djemba
LM: Cole
CF: Harewood
CF: Bowery
Subs: Taylor, Senderos, Shorey, Salifou, Routledge, Dawkins, Holt
Both teams cancel each other out in an awful 0 - 0 draw
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Bowery is back in League 2 now. Back at his level and he's not even a standout player at that level.
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Bowery is back in League 2 now. Back at his level and he's not even a standout player at that level.
His eyes standout.
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Bowery is back in League 2 now. Back at his level and he's not even a standout player at that level.
A real wtf signing. Had a very unremarkable scoring record at that level, so goodness knows what Lambert saw in him.
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Bowery was just a punt based on his physic - nothing else. Summed up Lambert when after 18 months he looked just as poor as the day he walked in the door. But then Lambert was never at training anyway as bullygate showed.
And we label Sherwood as a chancer.
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Bowery was just a punt based on his physic - nothing else. Summed up Lambert when after 18 months he looked just as poor as the day he walked in the door. But then Lambert was never at training anyway as bullygate showed.
And we label Sherwood as a chancer.
Yep, a real Championship Manager signing - an example of where the whole is significantly less than the sum of its parts!
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Bowery was even more catastrophic if allegations are true that he was available at an asking price of £250,000 but we paid £500,000.
Pity that poor performers have to be limited to the last ten years. It is unfair to deny their place in the Piss Poor Pantheon to a roll call that would include
Burridge (GK)
Smith H
Craddock M
Gibson C (Mk 1)
Goffin B
Myerscough B
Moss A (sorry FMWMU but he was terrible)
Pinner M (GK)
Gallagher B
Norton D
Aspinall W,
Rioch N (totally redeemed by being a magnificent Villa servant over the years)
It should be noted however that not one of the above showed any trace of the lack of effort and commitment displayed by the current weares of the same shirts.
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Here we are, can anyone match this:
Gk: Kiraly (if loans do not count Steer)
RB: Bardsley
CB: Beye
CB:Knight
LB: Luna
RM: Tonev
CM: Osbourne
CM: Djemba Djemba
LM: Cole
CF: Harewood
CF: Bowery
Subs: Taylor, Senderos, Shorey, Salifou, Routledge, Dawkins, Holt
Both teams cancel each other out in an awful 0 - 0 draw
I think Senderos is a bit of an unfair one to lump in. He looked ok in the games that he did play.
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Bowery was even more catastrophic if allegations are true that he was available at an asking price of £250,000 but we paid £500,000.
Pity that poor performers have to be limited to the last ten years. It is unfair to deny their place in the Piss Poor Pantheon to a roll call that would include
Burridge (GK)
Smith H
Craddock M
Gibson C (Mk 1)
Goffin B
Myerscough B
Moss A (sorry FMWMU but he was terrible)
Pinner M (GK)
Gallagher B
Norton D
Aspinall W,
Rioch N (totally redeemed by being a magnificent Villa servant over the years)
It should be noted however that not one of the above showed any trace of the lack of effort and commitment displayed by the current weares of the same shirts.
Alarming thing is that
fatty Asinal, Budgie & Bernie are better than we've got at the mo
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Do you remember oldhill when we once got a penalty at the Witton End and before our regular penalty taker could step up Warren Aspinall grabbed the ball, put it on the spot and side footed it about five yards wide? Would walk into the current team.
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Do you remember oldhill when we once got a penalty at the Witton End and before our regular penalty taker could step up Warren Aspinall grabbed the ball, put it on the spot and side footed it about five yards wide? Would walk into the current team.
from Wiki Brian:
After making only ten substitute appearances in all competitions for the Toffees, Aspinall transferred to Aston Villa for a then club record fee of £300,000, but could not help stop the club being relegated from the First Division. Manager Billy McNeill, who signed Aspinall, was sacked and replaced by Graham Taylor, as Villa bounced back immediately to the First Division, with Aspinall finishing as joint-top scorer. However, a poor disciplinary record prompted a warning from Taylor that this must improve or he would be sold. An incident away to St Mirren in a pre-season friendly involved Aspinall stamping on an opponents foot led to him being sold to Portsmouth for a club-record fee of £315,000 in August 1988. He played in 44 league games and scored 14 goals for Aston Villa.
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The Doc
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I don't remember Aspinall being that terrible and like the above said, he did help us back up. Has anyone mentioned Steve Sims yet?
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Bowery was even more catastrophic if allegations are true that he was available at an asking price of £250,000 but we paid £500,000.
Pity that poor performers have to be limited to the last ten years. It is unfair to deny their place in the Piss Poor Pantheon to a roll call that would include
Burridge (GK)
Smith H
Craddock M
Gibson C (Mk 1)
Goffin B
Myerscough B
Moss A (sorry FMWMU but he was terrible)
Pinner M (GK)
Gallagher B
Norton D
Aspinall W,
Rioch N (totally redeemed by being a magnificent Villa servant over the years)
It should be noted however that not one of the above showed any trace of the lack of effort and commitment displayed by the current weares of the same shirts.
I object very much to you including Miller Craddock in that list. Out of the thirty seven people I interviewed in Ledbury,Hereford,and Birmingham who saw him play, for my article in the local magazine you were the only one to give an adverse opinion. Dennis Shaw, in particular, who interviewed him gave a glowing endorsement. I know whose opinion I value.
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Here we are, can anyone match this:
Gk: Kiraly (if loans do not count Steer)
RB: Bardsley
CB: Beye
CB:Knight
LB: Luna
RM: Tonev
CM: Osbourne
CM: Djemba Djemba
LM: Cole
CF: Harewood
CF: Bowery
Subs: Taylor, Senderos, Shorey, Salifou, Routledge, Dawkins, Holt
Both teams cancel each other out in an awful 0 - 0 draw
I think Senderos is a bit of an unfair one to lump in. He looked ok in the games that he did play.
I'm with Clampy, very harsh on Senderos
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I'd have Shorey in there. He was bollocks. At least Tony Moon scored for us.
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I didn't think Zat Knight was that bed for us either to be fair.
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I don't remember Aspinall being that terrible and like the above said, he did help us back up. Has anyone mentioned Steve Sims yet?
or Carl Tiler...
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The Doc
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I don't remember Aspinall being that terrible and like the above said, he did help us back up. Has anyone mentioned Steve Sims yet?
They both did a job that year. So did Lillis and Bernie
That was their level
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I don't remember Aspinall being that terrible and like the above said, he did help us back up. Has anyone mentioned Steve Sims yet?
They both did a job that year. So did Lillis and Bernie
That was their level
Sims did get us back up that year in fairness. Lillis was ok, in fact they all played their part. Spink said a while back it was the team spirit that got them back up more than anything.
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1. Kiraly
2. Dean Glover
3. N Gharyib(?)
4.Tiler
5. Calderwood
6.Cooper
7.Curcic
8.Penrice
9.DeBilde
10.Djemba x2
11.Callaghan
all in all a sorry bunch :(
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The Doc
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I didn't think Zat Knight was that bed for us either to be fair.
He'd have gotten into this team - probably Captain too.
Zat was a player born 15 years too late. He would have been a perfect 1990s centre half
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Here's a team to not so much rival this season's team, but more to piss all over them:
Spink.
Williams.
Evans.
Elliott.
Dorigo.
Hunt.
Birch.
Walters.
Daley.
Stainrod.
Aspinall.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at when this team was around?
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With regard to Buster Craddock, this forum is for the free expression of opinions. My opinion is my opinion whether you value it or not. It makes no difference to me.
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Balaban left the club more than a decade ago. Match will have to replayed due to an illegible player.
D'oh, quite right as ever Mr S ! That means that they could be the first team to get relegated with a minus number of points. The thought of a replay is too horrible to contemplate.
Najwan Ghrayib is ineligible for the same reason. He left in 2000
Mathieu Berson just makes it into the time period
I'd have Bowery in ahead of the Gladiator and Agathe instead of Tony Moon
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Here's a team to not so much rival this season's team, but more to piss all over them:
Spink.
Williams.
Evans.
Elliott.
Dorigo.
Hunt.
Birch.
Walters.
Daley.
Stainrod.
Aspinall.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at when this team was around?
That's actually not a bad team though? How did that team get relegated!
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Here's a team to not so much rival this season's team, but more to piss all over them:
Spink.
Williams.
Evans.
Elliott.
Dorigo.
Hunt.
Birch.
Walters.
Daley.
Stainrod.
Aspinall.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at when this team was around?
That's actually not a bad team though? How did that team get relegated!
Believe it or not we had a manager in McNeill who performed in that role worse than McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood.
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Bowery was one of, if not the worst footballer I've ever seen play for the Villa. He was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him. Christ on a bike Lambert signed some utter shite.
So you feel sorry for Bowery, but call Westwood all the names under the sun for suffering from the same affliction. Signed by Lamber and ultimately not good enough.
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I didn't think Zat Knight was that bed for us either to be fair.
No I'd agree, he was perfectly adequate.
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Don't forget the Moore brothers too !
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Any room for Steve Foster ?
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Bowery was one of, if not the worst footballer I've ever seen play for the Villa. He was so out of his depth I felt sorry for him. Christ on a bike Lambert signed some utter shite.
So you feel sorry for Bowery, but call Westwood all the names under the sun for suffering from the same affliction. Signed by Lamber and ultimately not good enough.
I think any sympathy for JB would have run out were he still here and had played over 100 games. We'd all be banging our heads against the wall in unison.
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Here's a team to not so much rival this season's team, but more to piss all over them:
Spink.
Williams.
Evans.
Elliott.
Dorigo.
Hunt.
Birch.
Walters.
Daley.
Stainrod.
Aspinall.
Anyone want to hazard a guess at when this team was around?
That's actually not a bad team though? How did that team get relegated!
Believe it or not we had a manager in McNeill who performed in that role worse than McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood.
I know!
I was a 12 year old boy with tears in my eyes living in Devon surrounded by Liverpool and Man Utd fans telling me villa are shit and that I talk funny.
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Don't forget the Moore brothers too !
A 23 year old Luke would walk into this team. I sometimes wonder how his career may have turned out here, had he not got that shoulder injury. He'd ended the previous season well, started that season quite well and then was out for months. We sold him at the end of the next season IIRC.
Also hard to believe Luke is in his 30's now. Bloody hell.
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Adrian Heath, Nigel Callaghan, Gary Penrice, Paul Mortimer, Carl Tiler, Franz Carr... My word we've watched some trash haven't we.
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With regard to Buster Craddock, this forum is for the free expression of opinions. My opinion is my opinion whether you value it or not. It makes no difference to me.
I think you are confusing him with Buster Crabbe.Miller was known as flash because of his speed and a very decent fellow he was by all accounts
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Franz Carr's corker at Forest in the FA Cup was one of my all time away-day highlights.
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I didn't think Zat Knight was that bed for us either to be fair.
No I'd agree, he was perfectly adequate.
I've only just finished celebrating his last minute strike against Arsenal all those years ago. There are surely worse candidates for this XI?
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Here we are, can anyone match this:
Gk: Kiraly (if loans do not count Steer)
RB: Bardsley
CB: Beye
CB:Knight
LB: Luna
RM: Tonev
CM: Osbourne
CM: Djemba Djemba
LM: Cole
CF: Harewood
CF: Bowery
Subs: Taylor, Senderos, Shorey, Salifou, Routledge, Dawkins, Holt
Both teams cancel each other out in an awful 0 - 0 draw
I think Senderos is a bit of an unfair one to lump in. He looked ok in the games that he did play.
I'm with Clampy, very harsh on Senderos
Probably was a bit unfair, but was struggling to find CBs from the Lerner owned years without using a makeshift LB or RB or a player still at the club, as was a toss up between Ridgewell, Senderos, Knight, Davies, Cueller or random youth players that were given squad numbers but not sure if actually played in defence. Just went with Knight due to feeling he was probably the worst of a fairly decent bunch and Senderos just due to the lack of games. It does amaze me that despite the poorness of the last few years we have had a few decent Centre Backs who at the very least would improve our defence now even if at the time they didn't. Whereas RBs, LBs post Bouma, CMs were very easy to find several choices.
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Emile Heskey. Embarrassing.
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Knight was decent for the Villa
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What do you estimate the combined weekly wage bill for that lot is?
Scary.
Goodness knows but it's heartbreaking when you think how much money has been squandered on dross yet we have virtually given away a whole team of class players - Barry, Milner, Cahill, Albrighton , Young, Benteke, snake etc etc....
Given away? We received over £100m for them.
Hmm, and how has reinvesting that money in the squad and club worked out?
Buying in utter shite on the cheap and going down with one of the worst teams in villa history.
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What do you estimate the combined weekly wage bill for that lot is?
Scary.
Goodness knows but it's heartbreaking when you think how much money has been squandered on dross yet we have virtually given away a whole team of class players - Barry, Milner, Cahill, Albrighton , Young, Benteke, snake etc etc....
Given away? We received over £100m for them.
Hmm, and how has reinvesting that money in the squad and club worked out?
Buying in utter shite on the cheap and going down with one of the worst teams in villa history.
That still doesn't mean that the players sold have been given away.
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Which has nothing to do with giving those players away. Did you read all the thread this time?