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Title: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 11, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
Those of a certain vintage will remember this particular jibe from the late 1960`s - from the News of the World or Sunday Mirror?
We were the butt of many jokes 40 years ago and we nearly went out of business and the  issue of shares helped turn the club around in many ways - an old fashioned board was eventually ejected and we literally rose from the ashes from 1971 onwards.

I chuckle when I read many posting on here about the agony of relegation in 1987, primarily as it does not compare to the humiliation of watching the slide in the last few years of the 1960`s .

To those fellow over 50`s how does this years` embarassment compare to the 1960`s?

Potentially the financial  implications are equally damaging especially if we cant remove the leeches on ridiculous contracts and associated payments.

No one could foresee us going from 3rd Division Champions to European Champions inside 11 years  - is that possible again ?
Why not? - Leicester are doing a remarkable job this season and them winning the league would be a massive boost to those outside the "Big Six"

Following the awful showing in last years Cup Final I did not renew my season ticket this season - a culmination of poor health and other committments has left me only attending one game this season - Everton at Goodison - the worst performance I can recall on Merseyside in watching Villa play up here over 40 years.

VCTM jnr and I spoke at length on Sunday about the liklihood of going to games next season - we love the craic  of going to the away games and will probably  do the games "oop north"but that is dependent on the managerial appointment and clearing of the decks followed by a positive recruitment of players who will show some pride playing for the old claret and blue.

So is this season worse than the relegations of 1987 and the last 1960`s?

For me the slow death of the club over the past seasons has put things on a parallel with the late 60`s , in particular all the "wrong" records constantly being created. Living and working in a passionate soccer city - I am constantly being asked "What`s happened to the Villa?" and receiving  genuine expressions of sympathy and good wishes for the campaign next year. 
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: trevor fisher on April 12, 2016, 04:51:57 AM
I remember this gibe only too well. Sadly while we can hope to bounce back, the money side is now stupid. Leicester we hope can turn dream into reality, but one swallow does not make a summer. Blackburn did it once and Leicester may do it this time, but with the other teams getting £300million over three years of the new deal and villa getting £87 million in parachute payments, the backroom staff will have to be exceptional

We can but hope.

Trevor FIsher.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Mister E on April 12, 2016, 07:42:56 AM
Remember it well but we are in such a different era now that I find comparisons only interesting for the nostalgia element.
As Trevor points out, the money factor is the obvious differentiator. I do have a different view though: Bournemouth, Leicester and Watford are good examples of clubs that have not needed to bust the bank to create a credible PL squad. Our management team need to be cuter and more demanding in the use of the money. And, probably, more importantly, our coaching staff need to be significantly better at developing and preparing players.

We seem to have suffered massively from a lazy use of money and mediocre coaching.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Witton Warrior on April 12, 2016, 08:18:15 AM
I remember being taught to respond "we're the tastiest team in the land" ;-)
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 12, 2016, 08:19:08 AM
Putting the financial difference to one side. The team that took us down to Div 3 were a ropey bunch of footballers pretty much like the ones we've got now. The difference on the pitch between the1969/70 team and today's is that the former did at least seem to care and in spite of their shortcomings appeared to be trying.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2016, 08:24:04 AM
I remember this gibe only too well. Sadly while we can hope to bounce back, the money side is now stupid. Leicester we hope can turn dream into reality, but one swallow does not make a summer. Blackburn did it once and Leicester may do it this time, but with the other teams getting £300million over three years of the new deal and villa getting £87 million in parachute payments, the backroom staff will have to be exceptional

We can but hope.

Trevor FIsher.

I've heard Blackburn mentioned as having done what Leicester are doing a few times recently.

It's not even remotely similar though as Blackburn at that time were one of the richest clubs in the league due to the huge amounts jack walker poured into them.

Daphne Fairbottom
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: brian green on April 12, 2016, 08:33:46 AM
Plus Blackburn's cash cascade was pre mega Sky and oil money.

Felicity Charlotte Smythe.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: TheMalandro on April 12, 2016, 08:45:02 AM
Are you an ostrich? Blackburn did exactly what Chelsea/Man City have recently done.
   
Terence Trent D'Arby
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Clampy on April 12, 2016, 08:53:18 AM
Are you an ostrich? Blackburn did exactly what Chelsea/Man City have recently done.
   
Terence Trent D'Arby

Signing your name across your post I see.

FYI, he's no longer TTD, he's changed his name to Sananda Maitreya.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Virgil Caine on April 12, 2016, 08:56:15 AM
From what I can recall there was a three to four year period of decline that eventually took us down to the Third Division. I agree that although some of the players were below the required standard they did, at least, seem to care. There were isolated incidents of naughtiness i.e. Barry Hole being dropped for a late night booze up but I can't recall Brian Godfrey for example,showing off photos of his new Ford Prefect.

Douglas Wakihuri
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: brian green on April 12, 2016, 09:00:26 AM
Pedant alert.  Brian Godfrey drove a regulation issue Marina.

Lucinda Satterthwaite.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Clampy on April 12, 2016, 09:26:29 AM
From what I can recall there was a three to four year period of decline that eventually took us down to the Third Division. I agree that although some of the players were below the required standard they did, at least, seem to care. There were isolated incidents of naughtiness i.e. Barry Hole being dropped for a late night booze up but I can't recall Brian Godfrey for example,showing off photos of his new Ford Prefect.

Douglas Wakihuri

I thought it was a Ford Tippex?
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Jimbo on April 12, 2016, 09:33:21 AM
I think the levels of ridicule are much higher today, with every slavering knuckledragger with access to a phone leaping up and down in frenzied delight, whooping, throwing their own excrement, and posting garbage about 'da viyull'.

Dame Cortina Tittyhammer-Swak

Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2016, 09:58:13 AM
Blackburn aren't remotely comparable.  They just timed things well by getting a relatively rich owner before the Premier League got going properly and before oil rich states started buying playthings.

Froth Reviser
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: TheMalandro on April 12, 2016, 10:01:30 AM
Are you an ostrich? Blackburn did exactly what Chelsea/Man City have recently done.
   
Terence Trent D'Arby

Signing your name across your post I see.

FYI, he's no longer TTD, he's changed his name to Sananda Maitreya.

Only because I changed my name to Terence Trent D'Arby.

Terence Trent D'Arby
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: ROBBO on April 12, 2016, 10:09:23 AM
I remember Bruce Forsyth on Sunday night at the London palladium saying to the audience Aston Villa have chsnged their name to Aston Vanilla because everyone licks them, They thought it was hilarious,
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Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Ron Manager on April 12, 2016, 10:19:47 AM
Putting the financial difference to one side. The team that took us down to Div 3 were a ropey bunch of footballers pretty much like the ones we've got now. The difference on the pitch between the1969/70 team and today's is that the former did at least seem to care and in spite of their shortcomings appeared to be trying.

Dave Rudge and Brian Godfrey always gave their best and were not 'ropey' but in the main your comments are spot on LP

Ronald Aloysuis Manager Esq
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: brian green on April 12, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
Aston Villa for all the mockery are held in higher esteem than Bruce Forsyth ever will be.

Forsyth) (to Wogan) Hello Terry.
Wogan) (to Forsyth, glaring) Sir Terry to you.


Albert Ross RN
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Jimbo on April 12, 2016, 10:26:35 AM
Aston Villa for all the mockery are held in higher esteem than Bruce Forsyth ever will be.

Forsyth) (to Wogan) Hello Terry.
Wogan) (to Forsyth, glaring) Sir Terry to you.


Albert Ross RN


Yes, but Brucie might outlive us.

Neville Scrillage
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: TheMalandro on April 12, 2016, 10:29:20 AM
Aston Villa for all the mockery are held in higher esteem than Bruce Forsyth ever will be.

Forsyth) (to Wogan) Hello Terry.
Wogan) (to Forsyth, glaring) Sir Terry to you.


Albert Ross RN


Yes, but Brucie might outlive us.

Neville Scrillage

Brucie will probably maul more women than any of us ever will too.

Tricky Woo
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: OzVilla on April 12, 2016, 10:32:00 AM
Well they can all get fucked.

We'll be ba..............

Harry Highpants
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: E I Adio on April 12, 2016, 10:35:31 AM
Putting the financial difference to one side. The team that took us down to Div 3 were a ropey bunch of footballers pretty much like the ones we've got now. The difference on the pitch between the1969/70 team and today's is that the former did at least seem to care and in spite of their shortcomings appeared to be trying.

Dave Rudge and Brian Godfrey always gave their best and were not 'ropey' but in the main your comments are spot on LP

Ronald Aloysuis Manager Esq

Don't forget that the likes of Andy Lochead, Willy Anderson and Bruce Rioch were in that team that took us into Div.3. However, regardless of the lack of ability and skills of some of the others, I don't recall ever feeling that they didn't give a shit.

Elvis Ignacio Adio
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: castlefields_villan on April 12, 2016, 10:47:09 AM
I remember this as well - the team everybody licks - far more relevant to to-days' bunch.  As mentioned several times - you always got the feeling the players in the late 1960s actually looked as though they had pride playing for the club.

I'm the same as so many of you of my age - born and brought up only a 15 minute bus ride away, family tradition etc.. this is the same as at least Gabby, Richards, Lescott and Grealish - so where's the passion and dedication?  I would've happily played for nothing.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 12, 2016, 10:51:51 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/664139481432367104/mcuLKjMC.jpg)

Roger Melly.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: newtonsballs on April 12, 2016, 11:05:49 AM
I remember us being called Aston Vanilla, and played our home games at the Hall of Memories.

Balls
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Holte132 on April 12, 2016, 12:37:46 PM
I remember my brother calling us Aston Vanilla because the defence just melts away. I'd forgotten all about it until Saturday when the phrase came into my mind! Strange that this thread should start so soon afterwards - or maybe it's just that all of us over a certain age all started remembering because of what we were seeing on the pitch. :-(

This is my real name.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Comrade Blitz on April 12, 2016, 12:45:11 PM
There's a good premise in that first post which begs the question: Is it more difficult or easier now for a "big club" to be relegated from the top flight  than in the 80s or 60s?

Given the vagaries of money-ball these days I'd say easier.

Stinky MacGillicuddy
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Jimbo on April 12, 2016, 12:52:40 PM
There's a good premise in that first post which begs the question: Is it more difficult or easier now for a "big club" to be relegated from the top flight  than in the 80s or 60s?

Given the vagaries of money-ball these days I'd say easier.

Stinky MacGillicuddy

It depends how easily that club decides to give up.

Burton Coggles
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 12, 2016, 01:54:31 PM
I'd rather have Milli Vanilli on the pitch than Richards and Lescott.


Lady Agnes Gussington-Moist
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: avfcdale on April 12, 2016, 04:55:01 PM
Pedant alert.  Brian Godfrey drove a regulation issue Marina.

Lucinda Satterthwaite.

Sorry to be a total pedant, however the Morris Motor company did not release the Marina model until 1971 came out on the J registration, i believe the club car at the time was the mighty Austin 1100 saloon 4 door or even the Basil Fawlty Estate

Englebert Fuckwitt
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: jimmygreen on April 12, 2016, 05:04:15 PM
I was particularly fond of anything in vermillion orange with a black vinyl roof.

Fr. Johnny Helzapoppin'
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: avfcdale on April 12, 2016, 05:11:34 PM
Now Now we are getting ahead of ourselves that option was only allowed on the 1300 GT. i don't think the club would have splashed out that much
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: brian green on April 12, 2016, 06:25:41 PM
Who just posted that?
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Mister E on April 12, 2016, 07:02:40 PM
Pullovers for goalposts, high jinks ...


Algernon Winston Razzmatazz
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: TaxDodger on April 12, 2016, 08:20:14 PM
Don't be revolting, Darling. I wouldn't lick a German if he was glazed in honey.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Steve R on April 12, 2016, 10:11:12 PM
I'd put the 67 team as the worst Villa side I have ever seen. Absolutely no-one wanted to play, it was so bad. With the current lot there do seem to be at least some that care.

The team that took us down in 67 was very different to the one that went further down in 70.

The relegation team of 70 had a number of good players, and in the end played well as a team. The problem was that Docherty's spectacular early season nosedive left us with too much to do. We deserved to stay up but didn't.

Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 12, 2016, 10:25:17 PM
Bob Monkhouse, now there was a comedian and apparently a Villa fan who would never stoop as low as that joke, or would he.


Billy Lilywhiteleg
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 13, 2016, 02:41:47 PM
He's up, he's down, he's in The Rose & Crown, Barry Hole, Barry Hole.
He shot, he missed, he must be f**ckin' pissed, Barry Hole, Barry Hole.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 15, 2016, 08:00:26 AM
(http://handinglove.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/the-death-cartoon-of-aston-villa.jpg)

(http://www.thenationalfootballcollection.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bury-v-Villa-Memorial-Postcard-1903.jpg)

Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: Steve R on April 15, 2016, 01:02:28 PM
I remember it well... just about. Ronnie fkin Allen. Back in the days when at the end of the season with nothing to play for, local teams would help each other avoid relegation by conceding courtesy defeats.

We needed to win to stay up and Albion were obliging .. apart from Allen who bust a gut to get on the scoresheet. 1-1 and we were down. No chance of div 3 though, we steamrollered the second division the following season, including a 21 goals in 3 game spell. Three players got 20+ league goals that year.

We really are shit nowadays.
Title: Re: Aston Vanilla - The team anyone can lick
Post by: brian green on April 16, 2016, 07:45:48 AM
Our ability to concede ice cream soft goals has been so bad it has almost completely hidden our pathetic inability to score goals.  I looked at the stats for our 1951-52 season and we scored 79 goals including 41 from inside forwards Johnny Dixon and Tommy Thompson. If we had had Dave Walsh at centre forward for the whole season the goals scored could easily have been 90.
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