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Title: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: GarTomas on April 07, 2016, 01:20:48 AM
Paper talk page of Arsenal and Liverpool sniffing around. Interesting that he's on the fringes but not getting the 1st team; not sure how well he's performing for the U21's??
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2016, 01:35:28 AM
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Aston Villa starlet Andre Green is wanted by four of the Premier League's big guns.

Tottenham, Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool are all keeping tabs on the 17-year-old winger.

And they sent their top scouts to watch the pacy wide man in action for Villa's under-21s against West Brom this week.

Green has been at Villa since the age of nine, made his under-21 debut aged 15 and is rated by club staff as an even better prospect than Jack Grealish.

Having made the bench for the final game of last season against Burnley, Green was handed his Premier League debut against Spurs last month.

He made his second appearance in Villa's following game at Swansea.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: GarTomas on April 07, 2016, 01:43:56 AM
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Aston Villa starlet Andre Green is wanted by four of the Premier League's big guns.

Tottenham, Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool are all keeping tabs on the 17-year-old winger.

And they sent their top scouts to watch the pacy wide man in action for Villa's under-21s against West Brom this week.

Green has been at Villa since the age of nine, made his under-21 debut aged 15 and is rated by club staff as an even better prospect than Jack Grealish.

Having made the bench for the final game of last season against Burnley, Green was handed his Premier League debut against Spurs last month.

He made his second appearance in Villa's following game at Swansea.

Thanks PWS for the quote. The report I saw this afternoon was just the 2 I mentioned. If true interesting whether he's not getting game time for fear of putting him on the shop window.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ron Manager on April 07, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
I haven't seen Andre Green. Does he look better than Luke Moore did at that age? 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john2710 on April 07, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
He's under contract for another 2 years, so I doubt we'll be selling him, yet!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 10, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
Wasn't there some rule brought in a few years ago, where Premier League teams are allowed to snap up non-Premier youth players for a pittance?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LukeJames on August 06, 2016, 06:16:56 PM
Signs a new 3 year contract.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on August 06, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Great news! Well done all concerned, rip this division apart Andre.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2016, 07:00:40 PM
Excellent news.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: oldham_villa on August 06, 2016, 10:02:57 PM
hope he doesn't have a buy out clause lol
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: TB on August 06, 2016, 10:19:07 PM
hope he doesn't have a buy out clause lol

£75m buy out clause? Wouldn't have a problem with that...

(Not claiming that he is, or will be at any point over the next three years, worth anything close to 75m. But a buy out clause isn't necessarily a bad thing.)
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
I really hope he gets his chance this season, seems a cracking lad.

Great interview here (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/24/in-quotes-andre-green)
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on January 16, 2017, 12:12:29 PM
Like the look of him versus wolves  and can be given some chances I feel. Sometimes people say too soon to judge a player being up to standard or not good enough like either way .

 I think he is and was a highlight in villa team when came on. I would have had the double substitution at time when he looked likely to come on when greakish introduced  but Bruce held him back. I'm generally excited by Green as hes only 18 .

The 18-year-old winger produced an encouraging display but was unable to help lacklustre Villa find a way back into the game.
Bruce too was impressed and said :

"He was a big plus for us," "He's a young lad with a bright future for us. Hes 18. He's showed a little bit of quality.
He's got on the ball and kept hold of it and that was good to see. He's the one bright thing of today."
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 16, 2017, 12:25:42 PM
I'd be tempted to give him a chance against Preston.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: aj2k77 on January 16, 2017, 03:07:07 PM
I think it was him that did a quality nutmeg on one of the doghead defenders to get to the touchline. We need to blood some of these youngsters.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 16, 2017, 03:41:38 PM
I thought Green truly looked like one who could take the Walters mantle and become an integral and speedy part of the team. I would definitely give him a run out against Preston, myself.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2017, 04:32:43 PM
I didn't think he looked anything special on Saturday, but he was no worse than Adomah and compared to Grealish he looked like Jairzinho.
If he sticks to the same formation I'd play him there over Bacuna, but would really prefer Amavi there with someone else at left back but since we no longer have another left back we might not have a choice. I'd play Bacuna in place of Hutton at RB.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on March 01, 2017, 08:39:39 PM
I think he'll be a top player. Still only 18, but he's big and strong already with bags of pace. Eventually, I'd like him, RHM and Jack in the team - yes, Jack will realise his potential in my opinion. It's been tough for him and others with all the chopping and changing this season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2017, 08:50:37 PM
I'd be looking to play him if fit till the end of the season, get as much experience into him as possible.

He looks a serious prospect to me.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: olaftab on March 01, 2017, 08:57:34 PM
Any news on how long?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 01, 2017, 09:04:11 PM
I'd be looking to play him if fit till the end of the season, get as much experience into him as possible.

He looks a serious prospect to me.

I agree.  I think 10-15 games for RHM and Green could save us a considerable sum in the summer.  Equally getting something out of Grealish should be an objective.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 01, 2017, 09:14:16 PM
As others have said I hope he gets lots and lots of game time between now and the end of the season
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rigadon on March 01, 2017, 09:14:47 PM
He looks a good prospect for sure.  Big, strong and looks like he's got a goal in him.  As ever with younger players, it's all about how they react when opposing defenders / teams start to work them out a bit.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: BC Villain on March 01, 2017, 09:28:39 PM
I like him  Seems very grounded, but is quick, strong and clearly talented.

I like the fact that he's not afraid to have a shot, which is a criticism I have of Grealish.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 01, 2017, 10:36:43 PM
I criticised your performance on Saturday against Derby, you were too slow, not strong enough on the ball and not direct enough. Well I apologise Andre, you listened to all my points and last night you produced a performance that the rain drenched majority thoroughly enjoyed. Advice for next match......stop hitting the woodwork.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithe on March 01, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
He did very well, very direct. Needs to work on getting the ball over when he's made his yard of space but promising.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 01, 2017, 10:50:45 PM
Technically no where as good grealish. But give me Andre over nice but dim any day. A proper footballer and team player
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 01, 2017, 11:49:50 PM
Shame he's injured but he's shown he's a very legitimate starting option for next season now.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on March 02, 2017, 12:30:54 AM
He did very well, very direct. Needs to work on getting the ball over when he's made his yard of space but promising.

I do wonder PW if that has anything to do with him being a right footer playing on the left.  We look better with a bit of pace in the final third. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on March 02, 2017, 12:33:09 AM
I'd be looking to play him if fit till the end of the season, get as much experience into him as possible.

He looks a serious prospect to me.

I agree.  I think 10-15 games for RHM and Green could save us a considerable sum in the summer.  Equally getting something out of Grealish should be an objective.

Not sure where Grealish would fit in if we continue with the current system.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: spangley1812 on March 02, 2017, 04:58:58 AM
I'd be looking to play him if fit till the end of the season, get as much experience into him as possible.

He looks a serious prospect to me.

I agree.  I think 10-15 games for RHM and Green could save us a considerable sum in the summer.  Equally getting something out of Grealish should be an objective.

Not sure where Grealish would fit in if we continue with the current system.

On the bench for me
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ironmaidenmania on March 02, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
My only concern is that he is right footed playing on the left so always has to cut back to cross and defenders will know that. He uses his pace well but I feel he will be better on the right instead of Albert.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 02, 2017, 01:08:03 PM
My only concern is that he is right footed playing on the left so always has to cut back to cross and defenders will know that. He uses his pace well but I feel he will be better on the right instead of Albert.

He did use his left a few times in the match (for a shot and a cross), but agree that Adomah may be better on the left and him on the right.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 02, 2017, 01:21:52 PM
My only concern is that he is right footed playing on the left so always has to cut back to cross and defenders will know that. He uses his pace well but I feel he will be better on the right instead of Albert.

At present my Mom would be better on the wing than Albert - shocking player IMO
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: JJ-AV on March 02, 2017, 02:09:22 PM
The old cut inside tricked worked wonders for Ashley Young
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: darren woolley on March 02, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
I really like the look of him he's fast and runs at people with a bit more luck he could've had two goals instead of hitting the woodwork in the last two games I just hope he keeps improving.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: UK Redsox on March 02, 2017, 02:37:55 PM
The old cut inside tricked worked wonders for Ashley Young

...also see Henry, T.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on March 02, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
I was only thinking the other day, who are the players over the last 5 years that the younger generation would consider their favourite player. Most of us have been blessed with a wealth of legends, but I'm struggling to think of any in recent years. It's very early days, but Andre Green has the potential to be the first in a long time to deserve such an accolade.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
I think he's potentially a very good player.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: themossman on March 02, 2017, 05:29:12 PM
The old cut inside tricked worked wonders for Ashley Young

...also see Henry, T.

Was it Gordon Strachan only used opposite footed wingers? It can be very effective as long as they're coached to be able to deliver those whipped crossed when they come inside. Ah, coached, hmm.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Tony Erdington on March 02, 2017, 06:11:36 PM
he's certainly got potential , yes he has the speed, but as opposed to other players, that have made it because of their speed, this boy has a Brain, I believe he can be anything.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: CJ on March 03, 2017, 10:54:23 AM
On the OS (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/03/03/full-injury-update-pre-rotherham-away) that Green is out for at least a month. Shame - just when he was starting to look the part
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on March 03, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
On the OS (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/03/03/full-injury-update-pre-rotherham-away) that Green is out for at least a month. Shame - just when he was starting to look the part

Disappointing news. Typical of this season with injuries. Sounds more like a muscle tear than a pull.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: darren woolley on March 03, 2017, 05:54:41 PM
Let's hope he's back soon.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2017, 06:40:47 PM
A real choker.  For him and the team. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: peter w on March 03, 2017, 08:41:22 PM
My only concern is that he is right footed playing on the left so always has to cut back to cross and defenders will know that. He uses his pace well but I feel he will be better on the right instead of Albert.

Tony Morley didn't too badly out there.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2017, 12:38:29 AM
I have no idea what the fuss is about this kid. Missed the sitter to rival the very best vs Hull, fucked up again tonight. Those chances change games and seasons. Win the game vs Hull and every gets a massive shot of confidence. Take the lead tonight who knows how things turn out. I'm really disappointed in what I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Des Little on August 16, 2017, 12:44:43 AM
I have no idea what the fuss is about this kid. Missed the sitter to rival the very best vs Hull, fucked up again tonight. Those chances change games and seasons. Win the game vs Hull and every gets a massive shot of confidence. Take the lead tonight who knows how things turn out. I'm really disappointed in what I've seen so far.

Nail on head. Get him on loan somewhere to find some kind of confidence because right now I wouldn't trust him.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 16, 2017, 12:54:23 AM
He showed plenty of promise last year. Had he had any luck he could've scored four or five goals in the run in and made himself undroppable. I've never known a player hit the woodwork so often.

As we are actively crying out for pace I wouldn't be in any rush to loan him anywhere on the basis of a disappointing month, while others receive adulation after years of underachievement.

I'm fairly confident he'll come good. If Bruce or a possible new manager think otherwise then we need a replacement in before considering letting him go elsewhere. We can't afford to be the slowest team in the league.

If we were battering everyone, his performances would be tolerated and he'd be encouraged. The fact that we are worse than shite means everyone is coming under increased scrutiny.

He'll be fine, once he gets one he'll go on a run of goals, I reckon.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2017, 12:58:17 AM
He's a youngster lacking confidence playing in a side lacking confidence. I reckon he'll be alright once we get a manager that knows how to play football.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2017, 01:11:37 AM
He has a knack for being on the end of chances and he takes on defenders pretty well. We need that right now.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2017, 01:13:23 AM
The key thing for Green is, like any 19 year old) we need to tread carefully with him and be ready to take him out of the firing line for a while.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2017, 07:15:34 AM
Had a very good second half yesterday I thought. Some good runs and shots, including the one at the end that just went wide. Didn't show much conviction for his chance in the first half but just needs a goal. The poor guy has missed an amount of sitters in his short career so far but continues to get in good positions.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on August 16, 2017, 07:18:56 AM
One thing is for sure, booing the lad during the game isn't going to help.

If you want to boo a kid who has made a handful of starts or deliver vitriol that Tait would deserve during the game, get a season ticket on the Tilton. Fucking shower of twats.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clampy on August 16, 2017, 08:44:00 AM
One thing is for sure, booing the lad during the game isn't going to help.

If you want to boo a kid who has made a handful of starts or deliver vitriol that Tait would deserve during the game, get a season ticket on the Tilton. Fucking shower of twats.

It's down to frustration obviously but no, booing a young kid is not going to help. It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2017, 08:44:53 AM
The way people were going on about his "sitter" I expected it to be a lot more clear-cut. The ball came to him at pace and the keeper was making himself "big" to narrow the angle. Green had very little time to get it right. Possibly should have scored but would have done pretty well to manage it.

Relying on these one-off chances in games and bitterly rueing them afterwards says a lot for how little we actually create. And Bruce's "we've missed seven one on one's" quote is as bad as his "I've been here six months" tripe.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: aj2k77 on August 16, 2017, 09:01:29 AM
I think he's crap, which makes him one of our better players.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2017, 09:03:52 AM
Was the only player that came remotely close to creating anything last night. He's only just turned 19. Anyone on his back at this stage needs to have a word with themselves.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: boozey182 on August 16, 2017, 09:10:13 AM
I don't think we can properly judge him until we get a new manager. That isn't meant to be a snide dig at Bruce, it's purely based on the fact that no player that is in the team to attack has shown any type of sustained quality, with the exception of Kodjia.

We simply don't keep the ball for long enough in the opposition's half for anyone to really shine. Green might turn out great, he might not. But we won't find out under Bruce.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2017, 09:14:08 AM
The way people were going on about his "sitter" I expected it to be a lot more clear-cut. The ball came to him at pace and the keeper was making himself "big" to narrow the angle. Green had very little time to get it right. Possibly should have scored but would have done pretty well to manage it.

Relying on these one-off chances in games and bitterly rueing them afterwards says a lot for how little we actually create. And Bruce's "we've missed seven one on one's" quote is as bad as his "I've been here six months" tripe.

The other thing is - as with Hogan's goal against Colchester - he's actually getting into those positions, which is more than we can say for a lot of our other attacking players.  There were so many poor performances last night, I think Green is probably the last outfield player I'd be criticising at the moment.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: oldham_villa on August 16, 2017, 06:37:07 PM
Was the only player that came remotely close to creating anything last night. He's only just turned 19. Anyone on his back at this stage needs to have a word with themselves.

I'm with you. I'm surprised at some of the comments i've seen
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2017, 06:50:45 PM
Was the only player that came remotely close to creating anything last night. He's only just turned 19. Anyone on his back at this stage needs to have a word with themselves.

I'm with you. I'm surprised at some of the comments i've seen

I'm gobsmacked but I guess the criticism comes from those that only saw TV footage
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2017, 07:03:12 PM
I know he is a young kid but I also think we get over optimistic when they are considered "one of our own".
The Rooney's  and Kanes are a pretty rare commodity in modern football.
I always try to look at any player and try to establish thier key attributes. Passing, shooting, tackling, pace, ability to beat a man, crossing, heading etc. Nothing but big strong lad comes to mind. He either does not have any of them or the tactics numpty can't develop them. At the moment the only thing that comes to mind was the one turn and shot last year that rattled the cross bar.
HE needs a goal or to at least provide an assist.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2017, 07:23:46 PM
Very early days for a 19 year old. Lots of potential but needs a more confident team around him to really thrive. Team is anything but confident at the moment. People forget his great display against Bristol City last season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on August 16, 2017, 07:32:51 PM
There were plenty last night booing and pouring vile vitriol on the kid.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: London Villan on August 16, 2017, 07:41:10 PM
A 19 year old winger learning his trade is the least of our problems.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on August 16, 2017, 07:42:32 PM
He's the shittest 19 year old in the league according to the bell end in front of me last night.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Richard E on August 16, 2017, 07:43:57 PM
I must admit that I haven't seen a great deal from him so far that has got me particularly excited.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2017, 07:54:00 PM
He only turned 19 last month, and is playing in the shittest Villa side for 40+ years under a manager that hasn't got a clue how to set us up. I'm not surprised he doesn't look like Messi. Yet.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on August 16, 2017, 08:11:35 PM
He only turned 19 last month, and is playing in the shittest Villa side for 40+ years under a manager that hasn't got a clue how to set us up. I'm not surprised he doesn't look like Messi. Yet.

Aston Villa have ruined lots of kids in recent years.  He's got talent, that's clear, but isn't playing very well at all at the moment.  He should be in a team where he could be introduced sparingly as an impact sub.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Richard E on August 16, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
He needs to put a chance away, get his confidence up. If he'd buried that sitter against Hull...
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brian green on August 16, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
I think he is a very talented young player. His name naturally caught my eye and I have followed his development.  I think his blunders and loss of form arise from nerves.  He will settle down and when he does he will be an asset to any team, I hope it is us.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on August 17, 2017, 09:16:23 AM
He's the shittest 19 year old in the league according to the bell end in front of me last night.

I must have been watching a different game because I thought he gave their right back a hard time and you could tell the whole Reading team were very wary of him when he had the ball.  His only problem is the final ball/shooting which comes with practice and experience. I think if we don't go up this year then he will be gone next year which would be very sad
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 17, 2017, 10:38:23 PM
Saw enough last season to tell he's got talent. Disappointed w him this season to date

Needs to work on his final ball a lot

Anyone booing him is a twat
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2017, 10:45:54 PM
He needs to put a chance away, get his confidence up. If he'd buried that sitter against Hull...

It wasn't a sitter!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Smith on August 17, 2017, 11:03:52 PM
He needs to put a chance away, get his confidence up. If he'd buried that sitter against Hull...

It wasn't a sitter!

The header into an empty goal? It was an absolute sitter.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Des Little on August 17, 2017, 11:18:29 PM
If an open goal from three yards out isn't a sitter, can you please tell me what you'd call it?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
He drifts in and out of games but then again what 18/19 year old dosen't.

If people are expecting him to drive us into the top 6 they're going to be disappointed.

I think he's got some great qualities and with the right coaching he can go far in the game. Pretty debatable whether he's going to get that here.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2017, 12:36:45 AM
He needs to put a chance away, get his confidence up. If he'd buried that sitter against Hull...

It wasn't a sitter!

The header into an empty goal? It was an absolute sitter.

Sorry, I thought Richard meant the chance at Reading. Even though he said Hull...the boss was right next to me, sometimes you speed-read posts and suffer the consequences.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2017, 07:42:09 AM
I have seen a lot of youngsters making their Villa debuts, Sid, Sir Brian, Charlie Aitken, John Gidman, John Sleeuwenhoek, Alan Deakin,  GazBaz, Darius Vassell, Dwight Yorke, Harry Burrows, Mark Walters.  All of them had a stamp of quality about them.  You could see within minutes that they were going to be good.  Sometimes they flatter to deceive like the Moore brothers but in virtually all cases you know you have a good player the minute you clap eyes on him.

I first saw Andre Green two seasons ago in the pre season at Cambridge United.  The week before Cam U had held Ipswich to 1-1 but we brushed them aside 3-0 without breaking sweat.  The spearhead of the attack that night was Andre Green, Rushian Hepburn-Murphy with Jack Grealish in the hole behind the front two.  They were excellent.  I was very impressed by all three young players.

In recent games Green's form has dipped sharply.  He has lost confidence.  He feels the pressure.  He is nervous.  It comes from playing in a badly managed team with rock bottom morale.  We cannot afford in all senses of the word to bin off potentially valuable players when their form drops, especially while moving heaven and earth to somehow reinvent the likes of Gabby and Richards.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 18, 2017, 07:46:47 AM
We're not moving heaven and earth to reinvent Richards m

Nobody wants him
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brian green on August 18, 2017, 07:52:50 AM
We might not be but handing him the captain's armband in a pre season suggests those running the club think otherwise.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2017, 10:36:12 AM
Richards had a rant at two fans (I presume Villa) on Instagram a few months back who were giving him stick for going to watch Joe Hart in Italy.

His comment was basically along the lines of if you had my ankle you'd struggle to get fit aswell.

I think even if we found a club stupid enough to take him he wouldn't pass a medical.

There is probably a will to get him fit given what he earns but seems to me he gets up to a point and then his fitness breaks down. That's why you occasionally see him on the bench and then he goes missing for months.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2017, 10:42:20 AM
We cannot afford in all senses of the word to bin off potentially valuable players when their form drops, especially while moving heaven and earth to somehow reinvent the likes of Gabby and Richards.

That's a very good point, we still have Agbonlahor stinking the place out after however many chances he's been given and yet any young player doesn't seem to be given the help and support they need to progress. The fact the likes of Agbonlahor, Hutton and Richards are anywhere near the first team squad goes someway to explaining why we could well be bottom of the Championship by 9.30pm tonight.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 18, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
Richards had a rant at two fans (I presume Villa) on Instagram a few months back who were giving him stick for going to watch Joe Hart in Italy.

His comment was basically along the lines of if you had my ankle you'd struggle to get fit aswell.

I think even if we found a club stupid enough to take him he wouldn't pass a medical.

There is probably a will to get him fit given what he earns but seems to me he gets up to a point and then his fitness breaks down. That's why you occasionally see him on the bench and then he goes missing for months.
A case for writing him off on insurance then?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on August 18, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
Richards had a rant at two fans (I presume Villa) on Instagram a few months back who were giving him stick for going to watch Joe Hart in Italy.

His comment was basically along the lines of if you had my ankle you'd struggle to get fit aswell.

I think even if we found a club stupid enough to take him he wouldn't pass a medical.

There is probably a will to get him fit given what he earns but seems to me he gets up to a point and then his fitness breaks down. That's why you occasionally see him on the bench and then he goes missing for months.
A case for writing him off on insurance then?

I can only imagine how hard it would be to make a claim. It would need to be a Luc Nilis scenario.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUE7-W-D9Ib/?taken-by=micahrichards

Comment halfway down when you click more comments "when you have a knee like mine."

No idea what we do. Bloke still has two years left on his deal ffs.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2017, 11:46:36 AM
He drifts in and out of games but then again what 18/19 year old dosen't.

If people are expecting him to drive us into the top 6 they're going to be disappointed.

I think he's got some great qualities and with the right coaching he can go far in the game. Pretty debatable whether he's going to get that here.

I just wonder if playing him on the left is hindering him a bit.  Some right footed players can do it, especially those who lack that bit of pace beat a defender down the line, as it enables them to cut back on their right foot and whip balls in, but I guess some struggle with it.

I still think we would be better off signing a natural left winger this season and using Green here and there. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: manic-road on August 18, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
Richards had a rant at two fans (I presume Villa) on Instagram a few months back who were giving him stick for going to watch Joe Hart in Italy.

His comment was basically along the lines of if you had my ankle you'd struggle to get fit aswell.

I think even if we found a club stupid enough to take him he wouldn't pass a medical.

There is probably a will to get him fit given what he earns but seems to me he gets up to a point and then his fitness breaks down. That's why you occasionally see him on the bench and then he goes missing for months.
A case for writing him off on insurance then?

I can only imagine how hard it would be to make a claim. It would need to be a Luc Nilis scenario.

If I remember rightly we did that with John Fashanu.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ad@m on August 18, 2017, 12:34:15 PM
Richards had a rant at two fans (I presume Villa) on Instagram a few months back who were giving him stick for going to watch Joe Hart in Italy.

His comment was basically along the lines of if you had my ankle you'd struggle to get fit aswell.

I think even if we found a club stupid enough to take him he wouldn't pass a medical.

There is probably a will to get him fit given what he earns but seems to me he gets up to a point and then his fitness breaks down. That's why you occasionally see him on the bench and then he goes missing for months.
A case for writing him off on insurance then?

Better off sending him to a glue factory.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on August 18, 2017, 12:38:15 PM
He drifts in and out of games but then again what 18/19 year old dosen't.

If people are expecting him to drive us into the top 6 they're going to be disappointed.

I think he's got some great qualities and with the right coaching he can go far in the game. Pretty debatable whether he's going to get that here.

I just wonder if playing him on the left is hindering him a bit.  Some right footed players can do it, especially those who lack that bit of pace beat a defender down the line, as it enables them to cut back on their right foot and whip balls in, but I guess some struggle with it.

I still think we would be better off signing a natural left winger this season and using Green here and there. 
For some reason Bruce hasn't signed any naturally left sided players...LB, LM or LW!!! I've got a good left foot so may be I could rock up and get a game.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
He drifts in and out of games but then again what 18/19 year old dosen't.

If people are expecting him to drive us into the top 6 they're going to be disappointed.

I think he's got some great qualities and with the right coaching he can go far in the game. Pretty debatable whether he's going to get that here.

I just wonder if playing him on the left is hindering him a bit.  Some right footed players can do it, especially those who lack that bit of pace beat a defender down the line, as it enables them to cut back on their right foot and whip balls in, but I guess some struggle with it.

I still think we would be better off signing a natural left winger this season and using Green here and there. 
For some reason Bruce hasn't signed any naturally left sided players...LB, LM or LW!!! I've got a good left foot so may be I could rock up and get a game.

Neil Taylor?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on August 18, 2017, 12:42:25 PM
Forgot about Taylor as I was thinking of the lack of backup at LB. So we've got one left sided player then...is everyone else in the squad right footed?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2017, 12:43:23 PM
Forgot about Taylor as I was thinking of the lack of backup at LB. So we've got one left sided player then...is everyone else in the squad right footed?

Don't be daft. Some are no footed.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on August 18, 2017, 01:12:06 PM
That certainly looks to be the case with Thor when he can't even control the ball!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 18, 2017, 03:57:17 PM
Hourihane is left footed

I don't think this is our biggest problem tbh
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 18, 2017, 05:10:45 PM
Daniel Day Lewis starred in My Left Foot.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Smirker on August 19, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
Great strike today well done Andre.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: aj2k77 on August 19, 2017, 05:00:46 PM
Played son, make me eat my words.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2017, 05:01:24 PM
Brilliant goal...shame he missed another easy header at the end to lay that ghost to rest and boost his confidence.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2017, 08:26:40 PM
Best game I've seen Andre have. Great link up play with Taylor
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 19, 2017, 08:34:33 PM
Best game yet - still heads to learn to head the ball if I was being critical.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2017, 08:39:52 PM
Well done Andre. Having a starting position 20 yards closer to goal helped, as did having four players to aim at in the box.

I like him. He's raw, but he's rapid, has good control and if he continues to add end product he's going to be a menace.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2017, 08:53:11 PM
I've been critical. Today he played well. The goal was outstanding.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2017, 09:06:09 PM
Davis made space for him today and he certainly exploited it well.
I hope we don't spunk out on Snodgrass.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 19, 2017, 10:03:01 PM
Great game today and he scored an absolute stunner.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 19, 2017, 10:10:59 PM
Top quality goal that was today. His miss at the end is just bizarre though. Seemed far far easier to score than to do what he did
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: leylandalbion on August 19, 2017, 10:33:49 PM
Certainly needs to work on his heading! Chuffed he scored though
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2017, 10:40:01 PM
Davis made space for him today and he certainly exploited it well.
I hope we don't spunk out on Snodgrass.

Davis has certainly posed a question today.  I would be more inclined to go for another physical type of centre forward and maybe look at the possibility of Kodjia on the left. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: willenhall villa on August 19, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
Green missed the header at the end due to the ball dropping to straight hence having no power behind it. Great goal though and a good 90 mins in a home win will do his confidence no end.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on August 20, 2017, 12:31:48 AM
Thought he just misdirected the header as he did the one against Hull. Brilliant finish for his goal though and hope we'll see a lot more from his as he gets more game time and grows with confidence.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 20, 2017, 07:34:24 AM
The chance yesterday was noweee near as much of a sitter as the one v Hull for precisely the reasons above
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on August 20, 2017, 08:53:19 AM
Davis made space for him today and he certainly exploited it well.
I hope we don't spunk out on Snodgrass.

Davis has certainly posed a question today.  I would be more inclined to go for another physical type of centre forward and maybe look at the possibility of Kodjia on the left. 

The other forward you are looking for is RHM with that bit of pace to get in behind and an eye for a goal.  Come on me babbies step forward and rid this club of the overpaid journeymen once and for all
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2017, 08:59:23 AM
Thought he just misdirected the header as he did the one against Hull. Brilliant finish for his goal though and hope we'll see a lot more from his as he gets more game time and grows with confidence.

He could do with scoring a couple of tap ins for his confidence.  Bending one in from 25 yards is great of course, but they happen very rarely so I'd rather see him sticking the easier chances away.  To go up, we need goals from midfield, and hopefully he'll end up in double figures for the season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 20, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
He's had so many chances you have to think he'll calm down a bit and get a fair few this season. He's quite physical which helps
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2017, 11:58:56 AM
Different sort of wide player but he reminds me a bit of Albrighton when he broke through in 10/11.

Seems to read the game quite well and makes good runs beyond the full back to get on the end of chances.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2017, 12:11:24 PM
He'll be a fine player.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 20, 2017, 03:41:59 PM
Different sort of wide player but he reminds me a bit of Albrighton when he broke through in 10/11.

Seems to read the game quite well and makes good runs beyond the full back to get on the end of chances.

His ball in isn't anywhere near as good but he's got better dribbling ability
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: darren woolley on August 21, 2017, 10:40:43 AM
The more I see of Andre the more impressed I get his goal was a thing of beauty and the fact it was his first goal in front of the Holte End made it even more special another player who's got a big future in the game and hopefully it is with us.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2017, 10:44:27 AM
Yes agree Darren but he also needs to chuck in the net those ugly rocks as well. More practice on balls coming to him at speed from various angles should do it.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
Different sort of wide player but he reminds me a bit of Albrighton when he broke through in 10/11.

Seems to read the game quite well and makes good runs beyond the full back to get on the end of chances.
His ball in isn't anywhere near as good but he's got better dribbling ability
He is a far far better footballer than Marc.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2017, 12:00:23 PM
But not as good at crossing as mentioned. Imagine if we had both, Villa fans on each wing...
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: UK Redsox on September 12, 2017, 01:44:37 PM
Andre has had an operation

https://twitter.com/AndreGreen_/status/907580645160964096
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2017, 01:47:40 PM
What's the problem, anyone know?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: berneboy on September 12, 2017, 01:49:01 PM
It looks like a knee problem but the OS said it was hamstring.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on September 12, 2017, 01:49:26 PM
What's the problem, anyone know?

Looked like he was clutching his hamstring when he went off on Saturday.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2017, 01:50:44 PM
Well if it's hamstring and bad enough for an operation that's him fucked for a very long time.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: darren woolley on September 12, 2017, 05:42:19 PM
Get well soon Andre we need you back firing on all cylinders.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: aj2k77 on September 12, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Months out by the looks of it.

So we are down to Taylor as our only left sided player now, not counting Bjarnason and his baby Elephant impression.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brontebilly on September 12, 2017, 05:47:27 PM
Months out by the looks of it.

So we are down to Taylor as our only left sided player now, not counting Bjarnason and his baby Elephant impression.

I expect Bruce might shunt Hourihane out there in keeping with his square pegs and round holes philosophy
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 12, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Months out by the looks of it.

So we are down to Taylor as our only left sided player now, not counting Bjarnason and his baby Elephant impression.

I expect Bruce might shunt Hourihane out there in keeping with his square pegs and round holes philosophy
Or Samdba.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brian green on September 12, 2017, 05:54:26 PM
Or Richards.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Mister E on September 12, 2017, 06:49:22 PM
Months out by the looks of it.

So we are down to Taylor as our only left sided player now, not counting Bjarnason and his baby Elephant impression.
Another great transfer window, then.
Maybe Taylor will end up wide left with Mitchell Clark at LB.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 12, 2017, 06:52:36 PM
Get well soon.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on September 12, 2017, 10:04:50 PM
Adomah has to come back in - he and Snodgrass can rotate
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: aj2k77 on September 12, 2017, 10:46:56 PM
Shambolic planning that we entered the season with 2 left sided players and 6 right sided ones.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 12, 2017, 11:19:57 PM
Shame he's out for a while, think he'd have done well tonight under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 13, 2017, 03:09:49 AM
4 months out allegedly
Title: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 24, 2017, 10:19:27 AM
Has he disappeared?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AV82EC on September 24, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
Has he disappeared?

Injured, bad hamstring tear I think.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 24, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
Hookey who works at the club on matchdays dosen't have a clue yet people thousands of miles away do.

Got to love the Internet sometimes.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on September 25, 2017, 07:06:39 AM
Shambolic planning that we entered the season with 2 left sided players and 6 right sided ones.

This is one of the things that happens when you Change manager so frequently. Especially when you put people on money nobody else will pay

Exactly how was Bruce supposed to get rid of Richards, or Hutton, or an injured de Laet? Agree signing Bree and Elmo and Snoddy seems excessive though!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on September 25, 2017, 08:45:50 AM
Was there any comment on the surgery and how it went?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 25, 2017, 01:33:00 PM
Hookey who works at the club on matchdays dosen't have a clue yet people thousands of miles away do.

Got to love the Internet sometimes.

Takes years of practice to be this shit ;)
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 25, 2017, 01:33:19 PM
Just old really :(
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ad@m on September 25, 2017, 05:31:59 PM
Adomah has to come back in - he and Snodgrass can rotate

Except they would if Snodgrass hadn't joined us and set his stall out immediately by whinging about West Ham playing him on the left.

Given how ineffective Snodgrass was on Saturday it winds me up that we're accommodating him by playing Albert out of position.  (Yes, yes I know Albert's scored 3 so far this season but it's his assists which will suffer by being played on the wrong wing).
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 26, 2017, 05:45:40 PM
Shambolic planning that we entered the season with 2 left sided players and 6 right sided ones.

This is one of the things that happens when you Change manager so frequently. Especially when you put people on money nobody else will pay

Exactly how was Bruce supposed to get rid of Richards, or Hutton, or an injured de Laet? Agree signing Bree and Elmo and Snoddy seems excessive though!

Sunderland wanted Hutton and De Laet would have been shiftable. Richards is a lost cause mind.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on March 16, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
Green still not available? That's 6 months out now with hamstring injuries apart for an appearance in the FA Cup plus a couple of U23 outings. A bit worrying that he picks up these injuries so frequently at such a young age - he missed games last season with a similar problem.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 16, 2018, 12:22:49 PM
Adomah has to come back in - he and Snodgrass can rotate

Except they would if Snodgrass hadn't joined us and set his stall out immediately by whinging about West Ham playing him on the left.

Given how ineffective Snodgrass was on Saturday it winds me up that we're accommodating him by playing Albert out of position.  (Yes, yes I know Albert's scored 3 so far this season but it's his assists which will suffer by being played on the wrong wing).

Think Albert's done alright on the left myself...!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clampy on March 16, 2018, 01:35:33 PM
He's signed a new contract today until 2020. Green that is, not Albert.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: TheMalandro on March 16, 2018, 02:11:01 PM
He's signed a new contract today until 2020. Green that is, not Albert.

Great news.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Diablo on March 16, 2018, 02:16:42 PM
I wonder how far off he is?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 16, 2018, 05:55:08 PM
Apparently, he should be back after the international break.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Diablo on March 16, 2018, 06:09:24 PM
Apparently, he should be back after the international break.
Cheers. That's good to hear although I'm not sure how much of an impact he'll be able to make as he'll have to get match fit. He'll at least give us another option when fit.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rudy65 on March 16, 2018, 08:19:59 PM
I had forgotten about him. No harm to have another fit body
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: darren woolley on March 20, 2018, 10:10:28 AM
He's signed a new contract today until 2020. Green that is, not Albert.

Great news.

Well pleased with that news really like Andre another top young player we have at the club.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on March 20, 2018, 11:52:50 AM
Great stuff and hope he's in the squad competing soon. Really like his play and good attitude too.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on March 20, 2018, 12:22:51 PM
We need his pace. I know he was poor against Peterborough, but I think he'd really give us an extra dimension with genuine beep-beep pace.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 20, 2018, 01:13:33 PM
My thoughts on Andre Green is "What are his attributes and where does he play"

Seemingly

No great pace
Cannot beat a man with tricks
Seriously cannot head a ball
Does not seemingly tackle well
Has regular injury issues
left wing / right wing?
Not a particular good crosser of the ball

really not sure why so many rave about him other than him being a local lad that has come through the ranks

sorry  :-[
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on March 20, 2018, 01:52:18 PM
My thoughts on Andre Green is "What are his attributes and where does he play"

Seemingly

No great pace
Cannot beat a man with tricks
Seriously cannot head a ball
Does not seemingly tackle well
Has regular injury issues
left wing / right wing?
Not a particular good crosser of the ball

really not sure why so many rave about him other than him being a local lad that has come through the ranks

sorry  :-[

Green is very quick....admit injuries are a concern, so I hope he'll overcome the hamstring problems in particular.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: UK Redsox on March 20, 2018, 01:55:31 PM
My thoughts on Andre Green is "What are his attributes and where does he play"

Seemingly

No great pace
Cannot beat a man with tricks
Seriously cannot head a ball
Does not seemingly tackle well
Has regular injury issues
left wing / right wing?
Not a particular good crosser of the ball

really not sure why so many rave about him other than him being a local lad that has come through the ranks

sorry  :-[

I'm with Hookysmith on Green

I've not been impressed with him on the rare occasion he has played
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 20, 2018, 02:06:52 PM
IIRC he had one thunderous shot that smashed the cross bar and one single decent goal (although I maybe wrong)

Other than that he is one of those players that get better in fans minds the less they play
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on March 20, 2018, 02:29:47 PM
From what I've seen, he's quick, 2 footed, has a good first touch, is decent in front of goal, works hard, is strong (for a 19 year old winger) and he does an okay job of running at his man.  Given he's 19 that's a decent platform to work from and I'm not all that fussed if he hasn't quite broken through into the first team yet, there's enough there to suggest he can be a good player if he puts the work in.  If he hasn't improved the end of this contract then it will be time to make a decision but I think sometimes people get a bit impatient with young players when what they really need is time to gain experience and find their place in the game.  Right now he's played about 20 league games, when he's up to about 50 we'll start to see the player he's going to become, whether they come for Villa or with a loan club is open for debate but he needs experience more than anything right now.

In answer to the left or right wing question I'd say he's definitely better on the right from what I've seen and he's barely had any time there in the first team.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on March 23, 2018, 08:42:47 PM
Iím still not sure. Heís obviously highly rated though

I thought he looked very tricky back end of last season. But I tend to agree that his crossing is poor and in pre season and at the start of the season, he didnít seem able to beat a man

He does have a physical presence and pace though

Iíll reserve judgement
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Brassneck on March 23, 2018, 08:46:09 PM
It could be that he'll replace Snodgrass if we don't go up.

I too am not sure - I'm never one to gamble on young players and would sooner the tried and tested established ones.

Whilst I too will reserve judgement, I'm a lot more excited about green than I have been for any young player with the possible exception of Grealish.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2018, 09:07:34 PM
I get the impression with Green that like Jack, to see the very best of him he needs a sustained run of games. I think there is a very talented player in there waiting to be unlocked who has been hampered almost non stop by injuries.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 24, 2018, 03:36:20 PM
Itís allways a worry when a young player spends a lot of time being injured.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on April 08, 2018, 08:19:07 AM
Where is Green? Bruce recently said he would be fit by now. Seems very injury prone with constant hamstring injuries. One poor appearance against Peterborough at the beginning of January following an extensive lay-off from hamstring surgery in September. Worrying for such a young player. Really could do with him now to replace out of form Adomah...
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 08, 2018, 10:20:13 AM
Where is Green? Bruce recently said he would be fit by now. Seems very injury prone with constant hamstring injuries. One poor appearance against Peterborough at the beginning of January following an extensive lay-off from hamstring surgery in September. Worrying for such a young player. Really could do with him now to replace out of form Adomah...

he hasnt mentioned him much in recent interviews neither. we have always heard about Hutton , Axel , Kodja and Whelan for example but not much about Green. and yes Albert needs dropping .
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: adrenachrome on April 10, 2018, 01:55:39 AM
Bruce will never pick promising young players if there is an experienced journeyman; it is in his DNA. Promotion specialist = bring in the Grizzlies. Tony might learn, but  I doubt it.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brian green on April 10, 2018, 07:43:42 AM
I doubt it too adreno.  The fallacious assumption that if something has worked in the past it will work in the future.  London to York in four days on a good horse.  Who needs the internal combustion engine.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2018, 09:27:23 AM
You're not comparing a leap forward in technology though are you. Look who we're playing tonight, look how they play and then look at the league table.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 10, 2018, 10:03:57 AM
It just proves how crap we've been this season to allow a route one, bunch of thugs to be up there.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on April 10, 2018, 10:46:35 AM
It just proves how crap we've been this season to allow a route one, bunch of thugs to be up there.
They have 80 points with 5 games to go and there's every chance they'll finish with 90+ points this season.  They currently sit between two very good footballing sides in the league.

Yes, we haven't been good enough to be above them, but neither have 21 other teams in the division.  Whether it is pretty or not Cardiff deserve credit for what they have achieved.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: manic-road on April 10, 2018, 12:04:17 PM
It just proves how crap we've been this season to allow a route one, bunch of thugs to be up there.

Not just Villa being crap then is it?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 10, 2018, 12:11:20 PM
It just proves how crap we've been this season to allow a route one, bunch of thugs to be up there.

Not just Villa being crap then is it?

Oh there's plenty of crap out there but only one club that have spent £83m trying to get out of this division and that's the only club I care about.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: nodge on July 12, 2018, 10:13:16 PM
Have you seen him, have you heard, the way he plays there are no words, to describe that Andre Greeeeen!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2018, 10:20:06 PM
Like it.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2018, 10:44:40 PM
Still not sure how good he is

When he broke through he looked very skillful and willing to take players on

For a while now he's played very conservatively and crossed poorly

But he does look a goal threat and his athleticism is great

Interesting to see if he gets more time at wing back in pre season
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2018, 06:41:37 AM
For a while? You mean one competitive game in 11 months against Peterborough?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2018, 08:00:04 AM
He started last season and played last pre season and I was basing my view on that
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2018, 08:21:35 AM
He played well last season. He gained confidence after Reading away where he was poor, but weren't they all, and picked up an injury at a really annoying point in time. He demolished Norwich.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 18, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
He played well last season. He gained confidence after Reading away where he was poor, but weren't they all, and picked up an injury at a really annoying point in time. He demolished Norwich.

Agreed, he's a player. By his own admission he wasn't right mentally when he came back, he had no confidence and was pulling out of 50/50s and not wanting to put pressure on his ankle.

Hopefully he's past that now.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 19, 2018, 06:33:40 PM
I thought AG's injury probs were hamstring-related?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 19, 2018, 06:41:27 PM
I thought AG's injury probs were hamstring-related?

Apologies, you're right, I muddled Kodjia's injury with his for some strange reason.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2018, 07:07:51 AM
He looked pretty good pre injury last season and scored a screamer at VP.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Richard on July 25, 2018, 11:09:48 PM
Very good tonight should have come on earlier - I'd be tempted to play him through the middle he's so quick
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 26, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
If he doesn't start against Hull on the 4th I'm just giving up on Bruce once and for all.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
Be prepared then  :(
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on July 26, 2018, 02:21:23 PM
I was hopeful he would play a big role for us last season and was gutted when he got injured.  Another year older and we need him to step up this year.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 26, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Played well last season up with o the injury. But so did Adomah in my he sane position so not sure as to whether it was pure ability or great service out wide
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2018, 03:41:58 PM
Very good tonight should have come on earlier - I'd be tempted to play him through the middle he's so quick

To be honest, I thought he looked the most dangerous when he came on in the latter stages of the games he was involved in last season.  I still think Kodjia's best position is out wide and if we can bring a centre forward in, I would like to see him, Adomah and Green as our wide options. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on July 26, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
I definitely like him further up the pitch. He's got pace and power and is inclined to get in behind a lot.

As a wing back hes got a lot to do from deeper, and he seems more hesitant
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2018, 12:11:53 AM
He turned 20 yesterday. Happy birthday baby.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on July 28, 2018, 05:44:49 PM
Wow wow wow .

Wonderful finish today for the first goal .
Second well taken header !

Following the great strike other day seems he's due to be rewarded a start v hull I think.

However having just caught the goals and the play am interested if he was playing up front well or he was wide , behind off striker as the line up ( 4-4-2??) to suggest he played wide .

Well played Greeny !
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2018, 08:18:35 PM
Wow wow wow .

Wonderful finish today for the first goal .
Second well taken header !

Following the great strike other day seems he's due to be rewarded a start v hull I think.

However having just caught the goals and the play am interested if he was playing up front well or he was wide , behind off striker as the line up ( 4-4-2??) to suggest he played wide .

Well played Greeny !

Good to see as he'd made a bit of a habit of missing absolute 'harder to miss' sitters at the start of last season, except for that absolute beauty against Norwich.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: TheMalandro on July 28, 2018, 08:38:54 PM
Wow wow wow .

Wonderful finish today for the first goal .
Second well taken header !

Following the great strike other day seems he's due to be rewarded a start v hull I think.

However having just caught the goals and the play am interested if he was playing up front well or he was wide , behind off striker as the line up ( 4-4-2??) to suggest he played wide .

Well played Greeny !

Good to see as he'd made a bit of a habit of missing absolute 'harder to miss' sitters at the start of last season, except for that absolute beauty against Norwich.

A young player, they make mistakes.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2018, 08:43:11 PM
I know, I wasn't knocking him but being young it could have become a bit of a millstone.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
He started left in a 4141

He played second half as the 9 I think
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2018, 08:52:12 PM
He's got to start. Pace, power and a gift for the extraordinary. With De Laet behind him as full back, you have a very quick and direct outlet, which ought to mean you can dictate territory a bit too.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2018, 09:16:18 PM
Hutton or Bree may be the fullback behind him either. Or maybe De Laet on the wing and Green more central given our lack of forward options at the moment.

I think Elmohammady should be bottom of the queue of all these right-siders but as a Bruce purchase (twice), unfortunately he'll get more leeway for average displays which seem to be the norm with him imo.

He was non-existent in the Play Off final, and I don't think Snodgrass ever trusted him enough on the overlap. I wonder if De Laet would have made a difference at Wembley.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2018, 09:20:52 PM
I thought Elmo was better than all of them to be honest, and certainly more consistent.

Each to their own.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: adrenachrome on July 28, 2018, 10:30:47 PM
I thought Elmo was better than all of them to be honest, and certainly more consistent.

Each to their own.

It's all about opinions.
This is a forum, when all is said and done.
Every game is difficult the ball is round.
Why can't we just all get along?
What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2018, 10:37:17 PM
Right on brother, my opinion is no better than anyone else's.

But I am better looking and have a much bigger cock.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: villan from luton on July 28, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
Green has to start v Hull. We have to do four at the back as the players are not good enough to adapt to the 352. Three centre backs is a nightmare when we have so few anyway. Hopefully Andre and Albert can switch wings and Jack will be in the hole behind Kodjia if he is fit. In the middle it will be Hourihane and Bjorn or Whelan. I think Whelan has looked good from what I have seen so far, but prefer Bjorn for his mobility
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2018, 10:41:16 PM
Think he'll have a really good season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Archie on July 28, 2018, 11:10:51 PM
Back four please, Green and Adomah on the wings, Grealish in the hole and Khodja central forward if fit.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2018, 11:12:44 PM
(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/01/york.gif)
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2018, 11:21:12 PM
Always and forever!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2018, 11:31:03 PM
It truly is the gif that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 29, 2018, 12:35:03 AM
Bree is nowhere near as good as Elmo. One of the worst Bruce purchases.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on July 29, 2018, 04:55:54 AM
Keep Green fit and we could have a good season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: alftitimus on July 29, 2018, 05:37:57 AM
I think he's too young for Bruce to trust as a Starter.

Bench at best - possible cameos - under SB - imo.

SB doesn't do development, nor nurturing... until someone like Jack pops-up in his face... that he can't ignore because of the fans superior knowledge.

This season, he's going to have to visit our terrific Academy and bloody learn.....he can't buy ready-made Jed's and Terry's...he's going to have to learn about endeavour and enthusiasm and kids that play for the badge...

...other than £70k a week players that post pics of their yacht-life within days of losing a play-off.

Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2018, 06:56:36 AM
I think he's too young for Bruce to trust as a Starter.

Bench at best - possible cameos - under SB - imo.

SB doesn't do development, nor nurturing... until someone like Jack pops-up in his face... that he can't ignore because of the fans superior knowledge.

This season, he's going to have to visit our terrific Academy and bloody learn.....he can't buy ready-made Jed's and Terry's...he's going to have to learn about endeavour and enthusiasm and kids that play for the badge...

...other than £70k a week players that post pics of their yacht-life within days of losing a play-off.


Bruce trusted Green a fair amount in the 16/17 season and he looked good. Unfortunately he was injured a lot last year. It's a bit ironic that you're saying Bruce needs to give the kids more of a chance having just said that he can't be trusted as a starter.

I didn't think Bruce had much of a record in promoting youth but others have pointed out that he signed Maguire at Sheffield United and brought Forsell in on loan at Birmingham. I've seen other examples too but can't remember them. I don't think he has a choice this season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2018, 12:08:19 PM
Henderson came through under him at Sunderland, maybe Colback aswell.

At Hull he also signed Clucas from lower leagues and started him.

I wouldn't say he's completely against young players, just prefers experienced players in high pressure games so he's hardly the first manager to have that approach.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2018, 12:14:08 PM
He got it totally wrong with the kids last season.  Played youngsters from other clubs who were completely underwhelming, and didnít gradually introduce ours like OíHare despite it being extremely obvious that the likes of Albert and Snodgrass were completely knackered and out of form towards the end of the season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2018, 12:28:29 PM
O'Hare should've been sent out on loan second half of the season. Baffled why he didn't go out.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2018, 12:58:45 PM
O'Hare looked good early on in the season but I think he had injury problems and lost form. Not seen much of him pre-season so don't know if he's still injured? He has potential though.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 29, 2018, 01:06:24 PM

the fans superior knowledge.



Lol, as the kids say.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2018, 01:34:13 PM
O'Hare looked good early on in the season but I think he had injury problems and lost form. Not seen much of him pre-season so don't know if he's still injured? He has potential though.

He was getting rave reviews in just about every game he played towards the end of the season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2018, 06:21:30 PM
No he wasn't. His form ripped off a lot. RHM was the one getting the goals.

O'Hare looked way off in a few games I saw at the end of the season. Those who've watched him more said it was form rather than the level he's at generally
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2018, 06:52:01 PM
O'hare dropped off around April, he was brilliant in the run from Christmas to Easter where the whole team just clicked and ran riot.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on July 29, 2018, 07:03:47 PM
I have no doubt Andre will play for England at some point, probably not with us unless there is a dramatic upturn in our fortunes
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2018, 09:16:18 PM
O'hare dropped off around April, he was brilliant in the run from Christmas to Easter where the whole team just clicked and ran riot.

He scored in both of the last two games I think.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on July 29, 2018, 09:48:01 PM
After yesterday, I would like to see Green get a run down the centre rather than out on the wing. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2018, 11:24:28 PM
O'hare dropped off around April, he was brilliant in the run from Christmas to Easter where the whole team just clicked and ran riot.

He scored in both of the last two games I think.

He may have, but he wasn't dominating games like he had been, I watched a fair few of the U23 games and there were a few performances in Jan/Feb time where him and RHM looked like established senior players who were helping out, the gulf in quality was massive.

On a semi-related point I think Jack Clarke will be a great player in a couple of years, he's the pick of the young midfielders for me (and I like Lyden and Doyle-Hayes a lot).
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 08:04:17 AM
Would love for him to start v wigan today.

Elmo probably stays on because of his goal v hull buy Green could be even more effective playing in the front 3 .

Same on left or even in top Green can play a role this season and offers pace and goal threat.

I feel he should get starts over an Elmo .
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2018, 09:07:10 AM
Play elmo at right back and Hutton and left back

Seems obvious to me

Although there's actually a case for not playing adomah
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 09:40:38 AM
Play elmo at right back and Hutton and left back

Seems obvious to me


I said the same in the Hull match thread, seems a no brainer to me.  I think Elmo is better as a right back than he is in midfield, and Hutton is at least as good at left back as he is at right. And importantly, he's much, much better than Neil Taylor.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2018, 10:39:18 AM
Hutton is unlikely to forage forward as much on his left-side meaning little chance of a repeat of his worldie at Hull.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on August 12, 2018, 08:20:16 AM
Keep him in team and give him a run.
I wonder if Bruce wants to use him more on home matches but I feel he should be given time to play
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 14, 2018, 09:07:32 PM
Frustrating player at the moment

You want him to be more positive and go at the full back more often
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on August 14, 2018, 10:35:59 PM
He's not a winger. Needs to play as a second striker.  Might benefit from a loan move. He's not proactive enough with his movement.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 14, 2018, 10:42:02 PM
I'd loan a lot of the kids out but green should be in and around the first team
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Bren'd on August 14, 2018, 11:48:50 PM
I'd loan a lot of the kids out but green should be in and around the first team

Not on that showing tonight he shouldnít. He was awful.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mr underhill on August 15, 2018, 07:12:23 AM
Far too timid last night. If he wants a regular first team spot he's got to be far more aggressive. As for the Russian - a loan would do him good.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on August 15, 2018, 07:35:25 AM
Good player and will be very important this season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2018, 08:11:32 AM
Yep too timid

In flashes he showed what he can do. But not positive enough

I made the same point earlier in the thread and was told I was talking bollocks
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 15, 2018, 08:18:48 AM
Showed quality at times but as others have said he seemed timid and low on confidence. If Hutton was at LB that would have helped his game and given him more space.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: dave shelley on August 15, 2018, 08:37:25 AM
The words 'not too sure' are beginning to creep into my head re Green.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2018, 09:36:54 AM
I'm still not sure

But with that long range shot, the run and cross for the chance that RHM fluffed and his shot in the second half, I think he did hint at his potential

He makes the wrong decision too much

He's also been out a long time so needs a chance to prove himself
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2018, 12:55:53 PM



VERY disappointed with the lad so far this season.

He doesn't seem willing or have the confidence to take a man on. Not sure why. Last night he turned back on himself almost every single time rather than try and beat his man to get a cross in. For someone so young and with the chance to claim a starting shirt it didn't fill me with confidence at all.

He's GOT to do a lot better than he has so far.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2018, 01:03:47 PM
He hasn't played very well so far.  He's clearly a talented lad, but he hasn't shown that he's worthy of a sustained run in the team just yet.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Richard on August 15, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
Exactly the same last night as he was v Wigan. I still think he should be more central and if wide left he obviously needs support from an over lapping full back not Neil bloody Taylor.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on August 15, 2018, 01:04:57 PM
There is no doubt he has the ability but there are still questions about his mentality.  There again Jack didnít influence games the way he does now until he built his confidence and got a good run in the side
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 15, 2018, 02:09:07 PM
I have always struggled to see what his key attributes are or even his best position:

Pace - no sign of any
Heading - he is actually piss poor at this
Vision - nope
Skill at taking players on - nope
Physical ability - seemingly gets knocked off the ball very easily
Positional sense - no special awareness of his or oppositions positioning
Timing - many times he either holds on too long or tries to take the defender on a 2nd / 3rd time and loses it

Shooting - an area that he does seem to have some natural talent

But a good shot - is that really enough for people to get worked up about?

I know he is still very young but at present I cannot see that he could be the answer for us anywhere on the pitch - hope I am wrong
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2018, 02:40:15 PM
I think that's a bit harsh Hookey.  He doesn't look at all slow to me, and he's got ability on the ball.  I think he's another player where Bruce doesn't really know what his best position is.  He's not an out and out winger, nor a forward, nor a number 10.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on August 15, 2018, 02:46:07 PM
I think that's a bit harsh Hookey.  He doesn't look at all slow to me, and he's got ability on the ball.  I think he's another player where Bruce doesn't really know what his best position is.  He's not an out and out winger, nor a forward, nor a number 10.

Inside forward in the same mould as people like Henry (I'm not comparing ability, purely position).
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2018, 07:34:58 PM
I agree I'm not sure what he's great at but think that criticism is harsh

He's got a bit of pace. He's physicaly very strong for a winger. He looks like he could score a few.

I remember when he came on at wolves and he just ran at people with real skill. Just not seen that much of this of late
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 15, 2018, 07:47:48 PM
Each to  thier own.

I fear he is like a good few of our kids in recent years in as much as they get a better player the less they play and rarely live up to it.

I really hope I'm wrong but I just can't see it happening for him - especially not with the dinosaur coaching him
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2018, 09:14:59 PM
This is his chance. Heís been given a free run with Snoddy gone and Albert off the pace. At this level he should be grabbing his chance and making the position his own. That he is struggling says a lot about his ability and to a degree his motivation. While I donít expect h to be Jack I want Andre to tear the majority of players in this division a new one. Heís not at all showing he can.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 15, 2018, 09:23:02 PM
I'd like to see him get a proper run of starts before writing him off. There's definitely something there.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2018, 09:24:48 PM
I think he can be a good player, needs a run of games in a role that gives him sufficient flexibility to suit his game.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
He's been out for a year more or less

Give him a chance
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on August 15, 2018, 10:27:57 PM
I really canít see it with Green.
Before and since his injuries he looks always frightened to death when heís on the pitch.
There have been little flashes of skill but for me has hasnít shown anything to justify the hype around him.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rigadon on August 16, 2018, 07:31:25 AM
Needs to play some games.  If he's not going to get that this season (and that is justified if we want to go up this year and better players can be loaned in) then he should go out on loan.  He isn't a left winger, so being played there doesn't help him to make an impression.  Agree with poster who said inside forward.  I'd say Kodjia is that kind of player too.  So, one of the other.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Kimaster1976 on August 16, 2018, 08:10:07 AM
The Andre Green situation reminds me alot of when Lerner/O'Neill took over.

Before any serious money could be spent O'Neill used Agonlahor and Luke Moore as sort of wide forwards to support Angel.

Agbonlahor stayed in the team for the next decade, and Moore was looking great until he picked up that shoulder injury that ended his season and he was never the same again.

Green is getting his chance right now and im seeing absolutely nothing in him, not even any desire to prove himself, ill be very surprised if he makes the grade at Villa Park
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 16, 2018, 02:44:08 PM
He does seem to be highly rated by people who see a lot more of him and know a lot more about football than we do. So I'm prepared to give him a chance
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on August 16, 2018, 03:22:37 PM
Heíll be fine, good player. I am sure he will get game time and score a fair few. He just needs to get injury free for a decent period. Going to be an important player for us I believe
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2018, 03:29:05 PM
Very surprised by some of the negative comments here. I thought he was our stand-out player during pre-season and has looked fairly lively in the opening few games as well. I think people forget how young he is, because he broke into the first-team some time ago. He's only 1 month older than RHM who a lot of people rate highly.  I've see a lot more (and see a lot more potential) in Green than I do RHM.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 16, 2018, 05:53:24 PM
He's only started about 15 games hasn't he?

People way too quick to judge nowadays
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on August 17, 2018, 08:38:33 PM
I like Andre in away at Ipswich  as has the pace and needs to be given the opportunity
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 06:45:54 AM
I think the issue is partly confidence with him

I'm sure when we first saw him he was direct at running at people and pretty skillful too. Now he checks back all the time and looks very hesitant

Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Axl Rose on August 19, 2018, 06:56:16 AM
I think the issue is partly confidence with him

I'm sure when we first saw him he was direct at running at people and pretty skillful too. Now he checks back all the time and looks very hesitant



He looked decent through the centre in pre season, didn't he.

I'd start him up with Kodjia, or as part of a front three with RHM, also.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2018, 06:57:31 AM
He seems to be better in a more central position.  He was very poor yesterday always trying to go inside the defender he was very predictable and easily stopped.  He was not helped by Hutton having a stinker and getting carried away by scoring a goal. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Axl Rose on August 19, 2018, 07:01:23 AM
He seems to be better in a more central position.  He was very poor yesterday always trying to go inside the defender he was very predictable and easily stopped.  He was not helped by Hutton having a stinker and getting carried away by scoring a goal. 

I agree. Green and RHM have pace to burn. I do wish we'd utilise that pace in a suitable, tactically sound system. How hard can it be?

A very frustrating afternoon.

I also wish Bree would play fullback(in his correct position should I add) instead of Hutton(who I'd like to see replaced by a proper left back). Another with great pace.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 08:41:18 AM
I'm not sure he's a striker

He scoret two from that position but his general play showed he wasn't used to the role

Maybe as part of a front two

Or as you say a proper front three
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on August 19, 2018, 08:45:44 AM
I think the issue is partly confidence with him

I'm sure when we first saw him he was direct at running at people and pretty skillful too. Now he checks back all the time and looks very hesitant


Is that down to the coaches? It'd be interesting to see him coached by someone like Dean Smith?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 10:10:13 AM
It could be. Who knows

It might partly be the lack of game time whilst injured although I thought I saw the same tendencies a year ago
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2018, 06:56:02 PM
Not in the squad tonight and supposedly Bolton and Norwich are after him on loan.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2018, 06:58:05 PM
Good he needs games, so a loan makes sense.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
Disappointing. I'd have liked him to have a decent run of games.
He's a good player.

He's ready for the championship, if he can keep fit.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2018, 07:42:23 PM
Well if he goes to Norwich or Bolton he'll get the chance to show he's ready for the Championship.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on August 28, 2018, 07:53:39 PM
If he does go to one of those two clubs, it will make a change for us to use them for our benefit for once.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Nastylee on August 28, 2018, 08:07:03 PM
He's not going to game time here with the signings so he's only going to get better by playing. Neither of those teams are genuine promotion rivals so he should get a comfortable ride.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2018, 08:48:23 PM
Not in the squad tonight and supposedly Bolton and Norwich are after him on loan.

not Bolton please . they are competition for play offs
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: David_Nab on August 28, 2018, 10:13:25 PM
Going to Portsmouth
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
Is he? They're not Championship!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on August 28, 2018, 10:50:49 PM
Watch him smash that league and forge himself a career in the Premier Division. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 28, 2018, 11:15:28 PM
Let's hope our first choice wide options aren't prone to injuries. What's that?  Oh.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2018, 06:20:55 AM
Watch him smash that league and forge himself a career in the Premier Division. 

With us of course
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 29, 2018, 07:10:13 AM
I really resent Bruce for this. Height of stupidity.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2018, 07:18:21 AM
He  needs pistol whipping for letting Green go on loan to Portsmouth.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2018, 07:18:47 AM
Good decision. He needs games and without the pressure he'd have here to let him make up for lost time.

I hope he plays every week and comes back in January better for it.

He's not as good as the other 3 and has been very poor since returning from injury.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 29, 2018, 07:31:09 AM
Awful,Awful handling of a genuine bright spark.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Brassneck on August 29, 2018, 08:44:08 AM
Loaning him makes perfect sense - Even if he drops down a division.

He won't be starting for Villa this season so game time elsewhere is better for him (and us) in the long term.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 29, 2018, 08:47:07 AM
He never lets us down when in the team, but needs game time and with the two  new loan players was never going to get that so  good move.  Green is a good championship player at the moment but not quite what is needed to help us get promotion.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on August 29, 2018, 09:43:18 AM

He has now been given a few chances to impress and has never taken his chance. Always looks frightened to death. Has never lived up the hype that surrounds him, a loan is the best option.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2018, 10:25:04 AM
Best thing for him I reckon.  Hasn't impressed at all when given a chance, and needs to get a consistent run of games under his belt.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithe on August 29, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
Good move for him, he needs a run of games and whilst I would have liked it to be with us, he hasnít shown enough to trust him with a run of say five games.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 29, 2018, 11:40:46 AM
Granted he's inexperienced and needs a run of games, I'd still 100% prefer him over Adomah, and it's clear that Bolasie isn't ready for a run of games himself yet, so I'm sorry but I do not see the sense in this at all.

Nobody can convince me that sending one of our brightest young talents to fecking Portsmouth when we need a bit of pace and invention in midfield is the sensible thing to do.

He had a great pre-season and hasn't been given enough of a chance in competitive matches this season for anyone to be making the judgement that he's not ready, IMO. Total nonsense.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithe on August 29, 2018, 11:57:36 AM
He had a great pre-season and hasn't been given enough of a chance in competitive matches this season for anyone to be making the judgement that he's not ready, IMO. Total nonsense.

Iím a fan and agree that he seems to be the latest in a long line of Ďone of our owní given less patience than someone purchased in.

That said if he doesnít go out on loan in the next few days he will probably not get much game time over the next few months and, as he hasnít grasped the few opportunities given to him, a loan is best for his development.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 29, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
Nobody can convince me that sending one of our brightest young talents to fecking Portsmouth when we need a bit of pace and invention in midfield is the sensible thing to do.

If you've seen any of Green's cameos this season you shouldn't need convincing in all honesty. He's been absolutely woeful.

Best thing for the lad is to go and play week in week out and we can then see if he has the desire to match his talent. Because it's the former that's severely lacking to my eyes. If he's not careful he's going to be another Tsihbola
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Small Rodent on August 29, 2018, 12:05:26 PM
We need him to get competitive game time on a loan, so we can see how he fares...an Andre Preview
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2018, 12:57:00 PM
If the loan deadline is Thursday surely he could have been in the 18 last night then loaned out - not a single attacking player on bench...odd
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 29, 2018, 01:43:50 PM
If the loan deadline is Thursday surely he could have been in the 18 last night then loaned out - not a single attacking player on bench...odd

I guess his last cameo was the final straw with Bruce. It was THAT bad after all. Mind you, that didn't stop Albert being picked. Although his number must also be up now as well

I don't think we had any other fit attacking options to put on the bench last night did we ?

Down to the bare bones.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2018, 01:45:52 PM
is Kodjia out injured again then?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 29, 2018, 01:57:33 PM
is Kodjia out injured again then?

Bruce said last night that Kodjia, Grealish and McGinn were all missing through injury. I suspect Kodjia may just have a tweak so no point risking him last night as our only fit striker really. Even one of the younger lads who was supposedly going to be involved more is out with a shoulder injruy now as well
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: villan from luton on August 29, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
No idea why he was not in the match day squad for last night, could certainly have played some part before going out on loan. For the messiah to then say he had no attacking options on the bench defies belief. Green should have been there, and while I realise O'Hare is coming back from injury, surely he could have been brought off after 60 mins the night before and put on the bench for last night. I am totally fed up of this mans excuses
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PGW on August 29, 2018, 02:12:21 PM
No idea why he was not in the match day squad for last night, could certainly have played some part before going out on loan. For the messiah to then say he had no attacking options on the bench defies belief. Green should have been there, and while I realise O'Hare is coming back from injury, surely he could have been brought off after 60 mins the night before and put on the bench for last night. I am totally fed up of this mans excuses
I don't see sense of Green loan....we don't have any idea when Bolasie is going to be fit enough to actually make an appearance so until he does it's basically one in, El Ghazi and one out (Green).
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Smith on August 29, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Green needs regular football to find some form away from the pressure and expectations that that comes with playing for Villa. A few iffy performances for us and the crowd will be on his back and his confidence will be shot.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Stu on August 29, 2018, 02:30:35 PM
Get some games on loan. He's not done very well since the beginning of the season. Largely gone missing in games.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on August 29, 2018, 02:34:45 PM
Shame, thought he would really kick on this season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 29, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
No idea why he was not in the match day squad for last night, could certainly have played some part before going out on loan. For the messiah to then say he had no attacking options on the bench defies belief. Green should have been there, and while I realise O'Hare is coming back from injury, surely he could have been brought off after 60 mins the night before and put on the bench for last night. I am totally fed up of this mans excuses
I don't see sense of Green loan....we don't have any idea when Bolasie is going to be fit enough to actually make an appearance so until he does it's basically one in, El Ghazi and one out (Green).

We've got one more match before the international break. After which Bolasie will be available

Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
I can kind of get why he's done it but no, I'd rather have seen him stay here. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2018, 07:05:17 PM
Best of luck Andre, hope this enables you to kick on.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 29, 2018, 07:14:16 PM
Get some games on loan. He's not done very well since the beginning of the season. Largely gone missing in games.

Literally describes half of our team. Should we farm everyone out on loan?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
Get some games on loan. He's not done very well since the beginning of the season. Largely gone missing in games.

Literally describes half of our team. Should we farm everyone out on loan?

I can't work out your objections?

He's been very poor, to the point where he's not been able to deliver a ball as badly as Albert has been, because he's not even putting a delivery in.

We've brought in two wingers who are better than him. He's 4th choice, young and in desperate need of experience and regular games.

I fail to see how we and Green don't benefit hugely from this.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2018, 09:38:49 AM
I do understand the logic of Green going out on loan - although I'm very surprised that it isn't to another Championship club, but what I find really frustrating is that we're having to do this to aid his development.

There seems to be a bit of a black hole with the club's startegy for transitioning players form the Youth Team to the First Team. Unless they are obviously good enough instantly - eg Grealish - there seems to be no plan as to how to continue developing players. U23 football is widely regarded as being unrealistic preparation for 1st team football and we don;t seem to have any kind of relationship with a 'feeder-club' as some others do. Hence we continue to spend millions of pounds on very average footballers, whilst players like Albrighton, Hogg, Robinson, etc leave for a pittance to clubs that actually use the training ground to develop and improve them. Even young players that we spend money on are expected to be the finished article instantly or are discarded. I've never quite been able to understand what happened with Joe Bennett for instance. We've spent the best part of £10million in transfer-fees alone on Bree & Tishbola,but there is no noticeable plan to develop either of them.

So, whilst I'd like to believe that the loaning of of Green is a strategic move to develop him, sadly it just stinks of the club taking the easy way of actually coaching a young footballer.

,
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Fred Crump on August 30, 2018, 10:06:22 AM
I think we could do worse than swallow our pride and look at how our stripey neighbours manage the transition of their young players into first team football. They had 5 recent ex academy players in their cup game the other night, two of whom scored.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2018, 10:34:29 AM
Green looked a real prospect at the start of last season. His injury was a real blow for us particularly as we had little options to rotate Adamoah and Snodgrass in the second half of the season. Unfortunately he has been timid to an exasperating degree this term. Felt sorry for him v Brentford and makes sense for him to go on loan. Very surprised it's to a league one side but anyway time for him to toughen up and make a go of it.

Far too many of our youth prospects have little senior football played, Lyden, Doyle-Hayes, O'Hare, RHM all need to go on loan.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2018, 11:59:30 AM
I think we could do worse than swallow our pride and look at how our stripey neighbours manage the transition of their young players into first team football. They had 5 recent ex academy players in their cup game the other night, two of whom scored.

To be fair, we had about 4 or 5 in our squad for the Yeovil match not long ago
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2018, 12:23:43 PM
I think we could do worse than swallow our pride and look at how our stripey neighbours manage the transition of their young players into first team football. They had 5 recent ex academy players in their cup game the other night, two of whom scored.

To be fair, we had about 4 or 5 in our squad for the Yeovil match not long ago

We did, and the manager said that they weren't ready for real football.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2018, 12:25:15 PM
I think we could do worse than swallow our pride and look at how our stripey neighbours manage the transition of their young players into first team football. They had 5 recent ex academy players in their cup game the other night, two of whom scored.

To be fair, we had about 4 or 5 in our squad for the Yeovil match not long ago

We did, and the manager said that they weren't ready for real football.

and how right he was
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
I think we could do worse than swallow our pride and look at how our stripey neighbours manage the transition of their young players into first team football. They had 5 recent ex academy players in their cup game the other night, two of whom scored.

To be fair, we had about 4 or 5 in our squad for the Yeovil match not long ago

We did, and the manager said that they weren't ready for real football.

and how right he was


and the point of the post you replied to was that we need to a better job of preparing them, which has been an argument from some of us for a number of years now. Throwing 4-5 kids into the team with a bunch of bit-part players and seemingly no real pattern to how they're expected to play is just about the worst way to do that. Bruce can complain about how bad things were as much as he likes but the performances against Yeovil and Burton shouldn't have been a shock.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2018, 12:35:12 PM


They're not bad players, but they all need loaning out to get proper experience IMHO.

Whether they will then be good enough remains to be seen of course. There's no magic wand.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Fred Crump on August 30, 2018, 01:05:25 PM
My frustration is that at other clubs, yes , the loan out option is sometimes used to address a specific issue - e.g. if a kid needs experience of the physical or mental demands of competitive football or has a bit of a billy big time attitude) but their development is also enhanced by time on the bench with the first team, being sensibly introduced for the odd 5-10 minutes here and there, rewarded with a bit more time for a good performance or playing well in the U23s etc etc.. In short , intelligent player development and good man management. Here, we either kill players by overplaying them ( Davis) , inexplicably drop players after a good performance, throw them under a bus after a bad one, or ignore great U23 performances by putting a load of experienced players who are clearly out of favour clogging up the bench ( eg Oí Hare/ Lansbury). Then we just take the easy option of binning them off to another club for a season or three. If I was Green I would be royally pissed off. Heís had a bad run of form but the last thing he needs at the moment is to be given a metaphorical kick in the knackers and exiled.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: robleflaneur on August 30, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
I do understand the logic of Green going out on loan - although I'm very surprised that it isn't to another Championship club, but what I find really frustrating is that we're having to do this to aid his development.

There seems to be a bit of a black hole with the club's startegy for transitioning players form the Youth Team to the First Team. Unless they are obviously good enough instantly - eg Grealish - there seems to be no plan as to how to continue developing players. U23 football is widely regarded as being unrealistic preparation for 1st team football and we don;t seem to have any kind of relationship with a 'feeder-club' as some others do. Hence we continue to spend millions of pounds on very average footballers, whilst players like Albrighton, Hogg, Robinson, etc leave for a pittance to clubs that actually use the training ground to develop and improve them. Even young players that we spend money on are expected to be the finished article instantly or are discarded. I've never quite been able to understand what happened with Joe Bennett for instance. We've spent the best part of £10million in transfer-fees alone on Bree & Tishbola,but there is no noticeable plan to develop either of them.

So, whilst I'd like to believe that the loaning of of Green is a strategic move to develop him, sadly it just stinks of the club taking the easy way of actually coaching a young footballer.

,
Some very important points being made here.We seem to prioritise success at U23 level over the development of individual players.This is now compounded by the present manager unwilling to give opportunities to them.Why weren't Doyle-Hayes ,Lyden and O'Hare not given some game time v Burton reserves ,rather than with U23s,especially as El Ghazi and possibly Hourihane look set to feature v Sheff Utd.Elphick played despite being certain to go out on loan.
A fiasco at Yeovil is blamed on younger players not being ready.The likes of Bree are quickly discarded if their meagre league opportunities don't come up to scratch but even if he plays well,the senior player returns when fit.Good performances at U23 don't seem to be rewarded with places in the 1st team squad.
There is more chance of stagnation rather than progression.I fear that we will see more of our youngsters leaving for a pittance and being first team regulars elsewhere.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 30, 2018, 01:11:01 PM
Be nice to see some of them given minutes of the bench after we have sewed a game up, oh hold it we very rarely sew a game up, so wont give that kid minutes as the worse we will get with my tactics is a point.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 30, 2018, 01:12:31 PM
Going out to Notts County worked wonders for Grealish so I hope he gets regular game time and comes back stronger. So far he has had zero impact and if anything looks a little lost. Maybe it is the weight of expectation maybe he is just not as good as we think he is - only way to tell is how he performs on a regular basis in a settled position - whatever that maybe as I am not sure what it is at present
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: darren woolley on August 30, 2018, 01:28:27 PM
It will do him good to get regular first team football at Portsmouth.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2018, 01:35:47 PM
Indeed Darren. There is definitely a player there but aside from a few pre season games he's been shite and I'd sooner see players who are the finished article playing in the team as we push for promotion.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: old man villa fan on August 30, 2018, 05:26:41 PM
One of the problems now is that the young players go out on loan but hardly play for the clubs they go to because the club would rather play their own players. These clubs will not act as a development club for other clubs. They only get game time if the clubs are short on squad size.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 30, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
It will do him good to get regular first team football at Portsmouth.

Hope so
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2018, 08:02:24 PM
One of the problems now is that the young players go out on loan but hardly play for the clubs they go to because the club would rather play their own players. These clubs will not act as a development club for other clubs. They only get game time if the clubs are short on squad size.
This is an important point. We loan players into the squad and the loan-clubs expect the player to play for us.
Ours seem to be very optional.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on August 30, 2018, 08:06:02 PM
One of the problems now is that the young players go out on loan but hardly play for the clubs they go to because the club would rather play their own players. These clubs will not act as a development club for other clubs. They only get game time if the clubs are short on squad size.
This is an important point. We loan players into the squad and the loan-clubs expect the player to play for us.
Ours seem to be very optional.

I suspect Portsmouth know they have a gem on their hands and a few weeks of breeding confidence he will get them promoted. Heís not a kid
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2018, 08:36:55 PM
Far too many of our youth prospects have little senior football played, Lyden, Doyle-Hayes, O'Hare, RHM all need to go on loan.
No they donít they need to be selected for first team either playing or subs.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Far too many of our youth prospects have little senior football played, Lyden, Doyle-Hayes, O'Hare, RHM all need to go on loan.
No they donít they need to be selected for first team either playing or subs.

Get em all out on loan, will do them and us the world of good
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
Surely would've made more sense to loan him out to another championship side?

Pompey have got a good team this year and could go up but there's a decent gap between the two leagues now so not sure how benefical long term it will be for him and us.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 01, 2018, 03:04:05 PM
On the bench for Portsmouth.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on September 17, 2018, 01:55:35 PM
Injured again. This boy has no luck.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on September 17, 2018, 04:40:31 PM
Apparently Green has been in Hospital to have surgery on a knee injury. Seems to be one these players that'll always be injured.....not much luck.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 21, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
Is this the reason he struggled in the early matches?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Dazvillain on January 17, 2019, 10:17:57 AM
Just been recalled ! Maybe to cover some outgoings ?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: olaftab on January 17, 2019, 10:23:02 AM
I feel sorry for his ďloaned to clubĒ. I think we should send Hogan there to compensate😊
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Dazvillain on January 17, 2019, 10:26:12 AM
Wonder if he is off somewhere or was Kodja really injured last weekend !?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on January 17, 2019, 10:46:45 AM
Or Purslow means what he says in that we will give youth a chance. Has to mean one or two of the expensive loan wingers has to go doesnít it?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 17, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
Don't get this. He's shit, couldn't even get in Pompey's team.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: UK Redsox on January 17, 2019, 11:54:48 AM
Surprised at this. If there's one thing the current squad is flush with, it's injury prone wingers.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2019, 11:55:01 AM
He's not shit at all. He's been injured a fair bit.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Des Little on January 17, 2019, 11:55:40 AM
Don't get this. He's shit, couldn't even get in Pompey's team.

Judging by last Saturday, neither could the vast majority of our lot.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: UK Redsox on January 17, 2019, 11:57:42 AM
Pravda says "returned" rather than "recalled", so maybe Pompey sent him back.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2019, 11:58:14 AM
Their best player plays in his position so maybe he's back to go elsewhere?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: TheMalandro on January 17, 2019, 11:58:53 AM
I'm delighted, I think he's a wonderful prospect. It was a mad decision to let him go.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: pooligan on January 17, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
I like Green.I think he has everything needed to be a very good player except maybe desire.The other thing that goes against him is he seems to be injury prone.Who knows maybe Smith can get the best out of him
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: boozey182 on January 17, 2019, 12:59:37 PM
At the AVST AGM last night, I'm pretty sure Purslow mentioned something about a player being out on loan that should be doing a job for our first team (I may have misheard). I originally thought he was referring to Mitch Clark, but maybe it was Andre.

He's shown glimpses in the past, but needs to work on consistency (which winger doesn't?!). Let's hope he can contribute and give the others a bit of a kick as well.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
How did he actually do at Pompey?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: pooligan on January 17, 2019, 01:38:00 PM
I believe he did pretty well when he actually played.He scored something like 5 goals in 11 games. He was out injured for a lot of his loan .He sadly seems injury prone
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Dazvillain on January 17, 2019, 02:12:19 PM
According to Pompey reports he was recalled to comply in meeting an internal target of homegrown players in our squad
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2019, 02:27:01 PM
Five goals in eleven and sundry assists (presumably) is more than decent for a winger at any level.

Edit: Just checked BBC and it says he's played 180 minutes and scored 3 for them.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2019, 03:41:44 PM
Play him left back. He's big and quick and cannot be any worse than Taylor.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on January 17, 2019, 04:29:49 PM
According to Pompey reports he was recalled to comply in meeting an internal target of homegrown players in our squad

Interesting, is that our own target or something we must adhere to?  Seems a bit daft to call him back if there is no intention of playing him if I our own rules
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2019, 04:36:04 PM
Recalling those loan players for the rest of the season also allows Dean to truly see what he has to work with now and next season. We all still have high hopes for Andre Green.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 17, 2019, 04:45:58 PM
Poor lad. Having scored the winner in the last round, you'd have thought we'd have only called him back after Pompey's FA Cup home tie with QPR on the 26th.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2019, 04:48:32 PM
Aye, the kind of game you live for QPR, said nobody, ever.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 17, 2019, 04:51:42 PM
4th round of the Cup. The kind of thing we dream of.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2019, 04:52:21 PM
If you say so.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Richard E on January 17, 2019, 04:57:26 PM
4th round of the Cup. The kind of thing we dream of.

The FA Cup has a fourth round ? I thought it was an annual one off new year charity match.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 17, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
4th round of the Cup. The kind of thing we dream of.

The FA Cup has a fourth round ? I thought it was an annual one off new year charity match.

We're the most charitable team in the country.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: rougegorge on January 17, 2019, 05:25:31 PM
Five goals in eleven and sundry assists (presumably) is more than decent for a winger at any level.

Edit: Just checked BBC and it says he's played 180 minutes and scored 3 for them.

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=82908

He only started twice for them in the league; I would have hoped for more if he was performing well, although admittedly they have been at the top, so breaking into a winning side may have been harder.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 17, 2019, 05:34:18 PM
Can he play left back, got to be better than Taylor.  Ashley Young manages it.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 17, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
Play him left back. He's big and quick and cannot be any worse than Taylor.

True,  and worth a go
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on January 17, 2019, 08:00:37 PM
Play him left back. He's big and quick and cannot be any worse than Taylor.

True,  and worth a go

Yes, go for it.  He doesn't add a lot further forward though. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Pete3206 on January 17, 2019, 08:03:18 PM
Don't get this. He's shit, couldn't even get in Pompey's team.

Disagree sir, a good prospect IMHO
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 19, 2019, 12:13:26 AM
I like him.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on January 19, 2019, 11:16:04 AM
Our defence is terrible

Trying a winger who's unproven, as  a left back..

Well it's brave. I'll give you that
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: nigel on January 19, 2019, 12:46:36 PM
Our defence is terrible

Trying a winger who's unproven, as  a left back..

Well it's brave. I'll give you that

Gidman, Swain and Gibson were all converted wingers, so it can work.

Fortune favours the brave  ;)
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2019, 12:47:18 PM
Our defence is terrible

Trying a winger who's unproven, as  a left back..

Well it's brave. I'll give you that
Yes but we know what we get with old man Hutton and stinker Taylor.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2019, 01:15:11 PM
4th round of the Cup. The kind of thing we dream of.

The FA Cup has a fourth round ? I thought it was an annual one off new year charity match.
Yes and there are some clubs that actually play in it to win it but you have to be in the 8th round for that.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: clash city rocker on January 19, 2019, 01:57:34 PM
I think with the right coaching that Green could become a cracking player for us. He is good at the basic skills so it's just a case of improving his 'game skills.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
I think with the right coaching that Green could become a cracking player for us. He is good at the basic skills so it's just a case of improving his 'game skills.

I think his loan came at the right time as he really struggled for us at the start of the season. Disappointing that his injury problems have persisted since and he really didn't get the regular football his career needs. Plenty of talent and our wide players are exactly on form at the moment.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2019, 04:04:15 PM
I don't think Green would have done any worse than Taylor did for those two goals.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2019, 06:57:01 PM
Watching him again today just confirms heís a decent footballer but heís really quite ponderous and limited. At best heís a championship squad level player or a good League One player.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Richard E on January 19, 2019, 07:07:46 PM
Watching him again today just confirms heís a decent footballer but heís really quite ponderous and limited. At best heís a championship squad level player or a good League One player.

Agreed. Should have done better with the chance he had late on.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Pvb1968 on January 19, 2019, 07:21:04 PM
Let him play.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2019, 07:32:17 PM
Got plenty of ball when he came in but surprisingly low in confidence. No faith in his left foot either. Would give him another shot, does get in good positions in the box. Unfortunately blazed over the one half chance he did get.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: achilles on January 19, 2019, 07:37:04 PM
Needs game time to build up some confidence, did okay today, but much prefer him to the laziest winger (Bolasie) we have seen down here for years!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 19, 2019, 07:44:13 PM
If he can get some minutes under his belt, stays fit and get some decent coaching ( which he hasn't had before ) we may see some improvement in the lad.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on January 19, 2019, 07:53:05 PM
If he can get some minutes under his belt, stays fit and get some decent coaching ( which he hasn't had before ) we may see some improvement in the lad.

Not picking on you mate, but I think there is a lack of evidence that any of them have been coached if our performances are anything to go by!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 19, 2019, 08:00:59 PM
Well you're right by recent performances, by my point was Green was here under Bruce, so learnt next to nothing. Smith is a good coach otherwise he wouldn't be here and 6 weeks ago was playing the best stuff in the league. But yeah, the last three weeks has taken a bizarre twist.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Looked lively to me. Good energy, just needs a bit of confidence. Should have hit the target today.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2019, 01:46:39 AM
Looked lively to me. Good energy, just needs a bit of confidence. Should have hit the target today.

He's always looked better coming on in the latter stages of games on the occasions I have seen him.  Doesn't seem to have the same impact when he starts.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AV82EC on January 20, 2019, 09:36:44 AM
Looked lively to me. Good energy, just needs a bit of confidence. Should have hit the target today.

Yep Iím with that assessment, needs a few sub appearances to get going then will be competing for a start.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2019, 09:38:49 AM
He did ok when he came on. Probably should have done better with the chance he had but it's nice to see him back.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on January 21, 2019, 10:02:00 PM
He could play up front right ??
As well as wide front player

Pacey great shot and one of own hoping he now gets a lot of game time
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 22, 2019, 01:15:24 PM
He could play up front right ??
As well as wide front player

Pacey great shot and one of own hoping he now gets a lot of game time

Nope.

Not a goal scorer.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 22, 2019, 01:20:08 PM
I have asked previously as I do not know what his key attributes are

Heading - no
tackling - no
Pace - not really
Dribbling / tricks - not seen any
Crossing - no evidence of any real ability or previous assists
Shooting - to be fair he has had a few decent efforts I remember

I like the guy and his enthusiasm but wonder if he will make it and in which position
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on January 22, 2019, 01:37:42 PM
Heíll be fine.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 22, 2019, 01:44:43 PM
I have asked previously as I do not know what his key attributes are

Heading - no
tackling - no
Pace - not really
Dribbling / tricks - not seen any
Crossing - no evidence of any real ability or previous assists
Shooting - to be fair he has had a few decent efforts I remember

I like the guy and his enthusiasm but wonder if he will make it and in which position

bloody hell
I bet the poor lad never passed his 11plus either
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2019, 03:32:02 PM
I think that's very unfair. He's decent in the air, just because he missed a few chances last season doesn't change that. His tackling is fine for a winger, he's one of the quickest players at the club, he's not got a lot of tricks but he has shown at U23, Portsmouth and in flashes for the first team an ability to create space for himself, which is much more important. His crossing was always decent in the U23s but I agree it's not a strength and finally shooting, it seems a bit strange to criticise a wingers shooting when he's just back from a loan spell where he scored 5 in 12.

More importantly he's made 9 starts over the course of about 2 years, I'm not remotely surprised that he's struggled to provide any consistent form in that time. Like all young players who've done well at U23 level you need to give them a run of 10-15 appearances (including a fair few starts) before you can properly judge where they are. How they respond to the new challenge is easily the best way to get a measure of them. Plenty of players who've turned out to have good careers have been written off after a handful of appearances over the space of a season, hell there were plenty of 'all fart no shit' comments about Grealish on here until about a year ago.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AV82EC on January 22, 2019, 05:03:25 PM
He was unlucky to get that bad hamstring tear just after heíd broken into the team as well as before that heíd really shown some ability.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2019, 08:36:53 PM
Our defence is terrible

Trying a winger who's unproven, as  a left back..

Well it's brave. I'll give you that

Gidman, Swain and Gibson were all converted wingers, so it can work.

Fortune favours the brave  ;)

I heard something like that mentioned on the MOMS podcast. I also heard Michael Cox on the Totally Football podcast saying that all/ most of the best centre backs in recent years have been converted midfielders - I can't remember all of the names now, but there were several examples, and it sounded quite compelling.

I've long considered full back/ wing back as the most important position on the pitch. The success of teams does seem anecdotally to depend on the quality of the players they have in these positions. Quite simply an enormous amount of the play goes through them. In this sense its not surprising that Man City have spend so much money on full backs, or that our success under MON was held back by the paucity of our options in these positions. Carlos Cuellar FFS.

I do wonder whether someone like Green, who has not quite made the breakthrough yet, either because he is not quite good enough, or hasn't had a consistent run in the side, might be a good candidate to be converted into a full back. Having an attacking player's mindset, and quality on the ball, might overshadow his immediate defensive inexperience.

This is obviously where good coaching can make all the difference. He would need to be taught how to play the position, and it wouldn't necessarily come naturally to him.

Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
The reason for that is that at youth level, in most countries, centre backs are expected to be able to defend and then give the play to other people who can actually play. If they're not coached to be comfortable with the ball they end up being severely limited players at senior level. Players like Baker are a perfect example of the problem.

For full backs I think converted wingers can work at the very highest level but once you get down to even the bottom half of the premier league you'll find that central midfielders are more easily converted (and vice versa).
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 22, 2019, 10:18:56 PM
If the club is really not that fussed about promotion any time soon, I would much rather we gave some of our youngsters a real run in the side. Not just the odd game here or there, but a real good run to prove themselves.

We're very unlikely to get relegated with the points we already have. So let's fuck off all the loan players - unless we have first option to buy - and see what our youngsters are really made of.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brontebilly on January 22, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
I have asked previously as I do not know what his key attributes are

Heading - no
tackling - no
Pace - not really
Dribbling / tricks - not seen any
Crossing - no evidence of any real ability or previous assists
Shooting - to be fair he has had a few decent efforts I remember

I like the guy and his enthusiasm but wonder if he will make it and in which position

That's harsh....there is goals in this kid. Very much a right sided option though.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 22, 2019, 10:25:45 PM
If the club is really not that fussed about promotion any time soon, I would much rather we gave some of our youngsters a real run in the side. Not just the odd game here or there, but a real good run to prove themselves.

We're very unlikely to get relegated with the points we already have. So let's fuck off all the loan players - unless we have first option to buy - and see what our youngsters are really made of.

I agree 100%
but I also know itís not going to happen

I also think we would have just as much chance of the play offs with our younger players than with useless bunch we keep playing every week bar a couple
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 22, 2019, 11:39:22 PM
If the club is really not that fussed about promotion any time soon, I would much rather we gave some of our youngsters a real run in the side. Not just the odd game here or there, but a real good run to prove themselves.

We're very unlikely to get relegated with the points we already have. So let's fuck off all the loan players - unless we have first option to buy - and see what our youngsters are really made of.

That's not accurate. Purslow said it wasn't imperative this season. I have no doubt at all that will be the goal next season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2019, 01:44:23 AM
We're very unlikely to get relegated with the points we already have. So let's fuck off all the loan players - unless we have first option to buy - and see what our youngsters are really made of.

Bolasie / Moreira - already gone/going.
Hause - option to buy.
El Ghazi - option to buy.
Tuanzebe - longish term injury.

So by "fucking off all the loan players who we haven't first option on", basically you're saying we should send back our top scorer Tammy Abraham who we've just spent the last month trying to keep? Great plan.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 11:59:16 AM
We're very unlikely to get relegated with the points we already have. So let's fuck off all the loan players - unless we have first option to buy - and see what our youngsters are really made of.

Bolasie / Moreira - already gone/going.
Hause - option to buy.
El Ghazi - option to buy.
Tuanzebe - longish term injury.

So by "fucking off all the loan players who we haven't first option on", basically you're saying we should send back our top scorer Tammy Abraham who we've just spent the last month trying to keep? Great plan.

Yes. If they're not good enough or staying long term, get rid.

If we're not going up, and we've no chance of keeping him, what's the point in paying Abraham's wages and? Unless you think we're capable of being relegated?

I, for one, don't want to be going through the same shit next season. If there's a long term feasible plan, let's start seeing it and stop pissing about.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2019, 12:02:24 PM
We're very unlikely to get relegated with the points we already have. So let's fuck off all the loan players - unless we have first option to buy - and see what our youngsters are really made of.


Bolasie / Moreira - already gone/going.
Hause - option to buy.
El Ghazi - option to buy.
Tuanzebe - longish term injury.

So by "fucking off all the loan players who we haven't first option on", basically you're saying we should send back our top scorer Tammy Abraham who we've just spent the last month trying to keep? Great plan.

Yes. If they're not good enough or staying long term, get rid.

If we're not going up, and we've no chance of keeping him, what's the point in paying Abraham's wages and? Unless you think we're capable of being relegated?

I, for one, don't want to be going through the same shit next season. If there's a long term feasible plan, let's start seeing it and stop pissing about.
Do you not think we are capable of getting in the play-offs?  To give up on that right now would be madness.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 12:15:56 PM
It matters not what I think.

Our owners aren't too bothered, the manager and players don't look like they think so, some fans reckon we've got a turd of a squad and/or not ready for the top division, and our recent results would point to it being unlikely.

I'll go with the flow and, especially with the lack of activity in trying to correct our failings in this window, I'll say it's extremely unlikely.

So. Let's see this long term plan now. Not wait until this time next season when we're saying the same things again, or coming out with get more excuses why we should wait another year.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2019, 12:32:26 PM
It matters not what I think.

Our owners aren't too bothered, the manager and players don't look like they think so, some fans reckon we've got a turd of a squad and/or not ready for the top division, and our recent results would point to it being unlikely.

I'll go with the flow and, especially with the lack of activity in trying to correct our failings in this window, I'll say it's extremely unlikely.

So. Let's see this long term plan now. Not wait until this time next season when we're saying the same things again, or coming out with get more excuses why we should wait another year.

I have seen you make this point about a dozen times recently, to the effect that it has now become something repeated as if true.

The owners did not say they were not bothered about promotion this year - that is a totally different point to the one they made, which was that we are not in a 'get promoted or bust' situation.

Why on earth you have spun that to mean they don't really give much of a shit, so what's the point even trying is beyond me.

In fact, that's not all you've done, you've started to extrapolate from that that the players therefore do not give a shit either.

Isn't there enough other stuff to get miserable about without blatantly making stuff like this up?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2019, 12:41:25 PM
It matters not what I think.

Our owners aren't too bothered, the manager and players don't look like they think so, some fans reckon we've got a turd of a squad and/or not ready for the top division, and our recent results would point to it being unlikely.

I'll go with the flow and, especially with the lack of activity in trying to correct our failings in this window, I'll say it's extremely unlikely.

So. Let's see this long term plan now. Not wait until this time next season when we're saying the same things again, or coming out with get more excuses why we should wait another year.

If what you think doesn't matter, why say you want to see a long term plan?

Which flow are you going with? I've not heard anyone say they don't want promotion, and I've seen that we've so far signed a goalie, centre back, recalled a centre back and a winger/attacking player in terms of improving our squad.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
It matters not what I think.

Our owners aren't too bothered, the manager and players don't look like they think so, some fans reckon we've got a turd of a squad and/or not ready for the top division, and our recent results would point to it being unlikely.

I'll go with the flow and, especially with the lack of activity in trying to correct our failings in this window, I'll say it's extremely unlikely.

So. Let's see this long term plan now. Not wait until this time next season when we're saying the same things again, or coming out with get more excuses why we should wait another year.

If what you think doesn't matter, why say you want to see a long term plan?

Which flow are you going with? I've not heard anyone say they don't want promotion, and I've seen that we've so far signed a goalie, centre back, recalled a centre back and a winger/attacking player in terms of improving our squad.

You want to try reading things in context.

I was asked "did you not think we are capable of being in the play offs". My initial comment was a reply to that direct question.

What I think has no bearing. What the owners, manager, and players think does.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on January 23, 2019, 01:59:58 PM
From the bits I have seen of him so far in his career, he has looked far more effective coming off the bench in the latter stages (as have most of our wide options so far this season).  Bolasie leaving means he will be in contention to start, but I can't recall him ever being that convincing when he has started for us.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 02:06:52 PM
It matters not what I think.

Our owners aren't too bothered, the manager and players don't look like they think so, some fans reckon we've got a turd of a squad and/or not ready for the top division, and our recent results would point to it being unlikely.

I'll go with the flow and, especially with the lack of activity in trying to correct our failings in this window, I'll say it's extremely unlikely.

So. Let's see this long term plan now. Not wait until this time next season when we're saying the same things again, or coming out with get more excuses why we should wait another year.

I have seen you make this point about a dozen times recently, to the effect that it has now become something repeated as if true.

The owners did not say they were not bothered about promotion this year - that is a totally different point to the one they made, which was that we are not in a 'get promoted or bust' situation.

Why on earth you have spun that to mean they don't really give much of a shit, so what's the point even trying is beyond me.

In fact, that's not all you've done, you've started to extrapolate from that that the players therefore do not give a shit either.

Isn't there enough other stuff to get miserable about without blatantly making stuff like this up?


ďItís not critical at all,Ē Purslow told BBC Radio 5. ďWeíre not expecting or requiring to be promoted quickly. "

Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2019, 02:12:03 PM
It matters not what I think.

Our owners aren't too bothered, the manager and players don't look like they think so, some fans reckon we've got a turd of a squad and/or not ready for the top division, and our recent results would point to it being unlikely.

I'll go with the flow and, especially with the lack of activity in trying to correct our failings in this window, I'll say it's extremely unlikely.

So. Let's see this long term plan now. Not wait until this time next season when we're saying the same things again, or coming out with get more excuses why we should wait another year.

If what you think doesn't matter, why say you want to see a long term plan?

Which flow are you going with? I've not heard anyone say they don't want promotion, and I've seen that we've so far signed a goalie, centre back, recalled a centre back and a winger/attacking player in terms of improving our squad.

You want to try reading things in context.

I was asked "did you not think we are capable of being in the play offs". My initial comment was a reply to that direct question.

What I think has no bearing. What the owners, manager, and players think does.
I'm with Walnuts here - the owners etc have never said they're not aiming for promotion, just that we won't go bust if we don't achieve it.  So from that you've decided nobody wants to be promoted and so we should send back our best player?  What sort of moronic logic is that other than I want to be controversial to get attention?  You're just coming across as a troll.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 02:25:18 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on January 23, 2019, 02:34:20 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 02:50:12 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?

No.

It simply means they are not EXPECTING or 'REQUIRING' it 'QUICKLY'.

Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AV82EC on January 23, 2019, 03:04:14 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?

No.

It simply means they are not EXPECTING or 'REQUIRING' it 'QUICKLY'.

Which suggests a longer term plan and not throwing shit at the wall to hope for a quick fix.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?

No.

It simply means they are not EXPECTING or 'REQUIRING' it 'QUICKLY'.

Which suggests a longer term plan and not throwing shit at the wall to hope for a quick fix.

Agreed. So let's give the youngsters a real go.

Show us. Don't tell us.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AV82EC on January 23, 2019, 03:26:23 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?

No.

It simply means they are not EXPECTING or 'REQUIRING' it 'QUICKLY'.

Which suggests a longer term plan and not throwing shit at the wall to hope for a quick fix.

Agreed. So let's give the youngsters a real go.

Show us. Don't tell us.

They are.

RHM out on loan.
Clark out on loan.
Green recalled and straight in the squad.
Revan in the squad before Elphick recall.
COH in a few squads lately.

Nothing major but small steps on the road to changing the ethos at the club. We canít get rid of the older players until the summer so it makes sense to utilise there experience to see if we can make the play offs.

Or are you advocating a revolution of U23s in the match day squad rather than a gradual evolution? If so Iíd say thatís folly in the Championship.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2019, 03:42:27 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?

No.

It simply means they are not EXPECTING or 'REQUIRING' it 'QUICKLY'.


This was in response to financial concerns that we may go tits up if we don't get promoted as per Xia.

It absolutely doesn't say they aren't aiming for promotion or hoping for promotion.  Of course they are, which is why sending back our best player is a fucking stupid idea.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 23, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
Sending Tammy back would be monumentally stupid.

The aim is clearly promotion, but we're not going to fall apart financially should innit be achieved this season, as was the case last. The context is obvious.

They've never said we're not bothered. That's nonsense.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 23, 2019, 04:20:58 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?

No.

It simply means they are not EXPECTING or 'REQUIRING' it 'QUICKLY'.

Which suggests a longer term plan and not throwing shit at the wall to hope for a quick fix.

Agreed. So let's give the youngsters a real go.

Show us. Don't tell us.

They are.

RHM out on loan.
Clark out on loan.
Green recalled and straight in the squad.
Revan in the squad before Elphick recall.
COH in a few squads lately.

Nothing major but small steps on the road to changing the ethos at the club. We canít get rid of the older players until the summer so it makes sense to utilise there experience to see if we can make the play offs.

Or are you advocating a revolution of U23s in the match day squad rather than a gradual evolution? If so Iíd say thatís folly in the Championship.

what is folly is relying on the same old names who are showing no improvement and going to Wigan and getting thrashed
your quote could have been Steve Bruce talking
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

You do know putting it in caps doesn't suddenly make those words mean they're not bothered about getting promotion?

No.

It simply means they are not EXPECTING or 'REQUIRING' it 'QUICKLY'.

Which suggests a longer term plan and not throwing shit at the wall to hope for a quick fix.

Agreed. So let's give the youngsters a real go.

Show us. Don't tell us.

They are.

RHM out on loan.
Clark out on loan.
Green recalled and straight in the squad.
Revan in the squad before Elphick recall.
COH in a few squads lately.

Nothing major but small steps on the road to changing the ethos at the club. We canít get rid of the older players until the summer so it makes sense to utilise there experience to see if we can make the play offs.

Or are you advocating a revolution of U23s in the match day squad rather than a gradual evolution? If so Iíd say thatís folly in the Championship.

what is folly is relying on the same old names who are showing no improvement and going to Wigan and getting thrashed
your quote could have been Steve Bruce talking

And if you're talking about bringing for example Jake Doyle-Hayes on for 20 mins instead of Whelan, I agree. Or giving Bree rather than Hutton an extended run in the team, the same.

If you're talking about sending Tuanzebe and Abraham back from loan (one of whom is our best defender this year - now injured and blocking no-one anyway, the other is our top-scorer) which is the suggestion Villa75 was making, it's a stupid idea.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 23, 2019, 06:54:59 PM
playing the loan players no matter how good and the constant use of the same old established experienced players and we are sitting in the bottom half of the championship

i dont know how good Green or Doyle Hayes is i dont know if RHM or Revan will make the grade but i do know that Taylor, Whelan, Hourahane, BB, Lansbury, Elmo arnt good enough and never will be now

if we were sitting in the top 6 and looking good for a play off position or outright place i would have no problem in carrying on with half the team on loan and most others out of contract at the end of the year, but we arn't, we bottom half, in any ones book that's not good enough

av82 says he wants gradual evolution i want revolution

i would play a mixture of  Kalinic, Chester, McGinn, Lansbury, Kodjia, of the established players
and then fill the rest with Green, Revan, Davis, Doyle-Hayes, O'Hare, Bree, Sulliman, Rushian HM, anyone else iv'e missed

i would use Ablert and the rest for Sheffieldvillans 20 minutes, that's the difference in the way i would like to see us go

i would keep Tammy obviously as he's scoring goals, but we are only increasing his sell on fee for Chelsea and doing the hard work for them with no benefit for our own future unless he helps us get promoted and that isnt going well at the moment
so it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if we did lose him,

one of the best things i heard when we got Smith was that he was playing two19 year olds as central defenders at Brentford
we haven't seen any of that spirit yet from him, bringing whelan on, getting a unfit Hause on loan its not what i was expecting

we wont ever know if they are good enough unless we see them, and i dont mean for Sheffieldvillains 20 minutes here and there we have to be braver than that

you never know we might make it to the top half if we start taking a few risks

then we get Jack back and Bobs your uncle
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on January 23, 2019, 07:19:00 PM
I heard a comment (I think Dan Bardell on his podcast) that Smith would like to play the U23's but is not keen to throw them in at the deep end part way through a season, he would prefer to do it after proper prep during a full pre-season. 

I kind of agree.  There is always a clamour to chuck the kids in, but it can be quite counter productive if things go wrong.  And lets face it, however much the crowd love to see one of our own, they would soon start getting impatient if things didn't go well.  So whilst I really wanted to see more of O'Hare and a few others, I'm happy to stick with Smiths plan (if indeed that is correct)
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rigadon on January 23, 2019, 07:41:46 PM
That sounds reasonable to me too.  Him playing a couple of teenagers at centre half at Brentford is a big way away from playing them at a packed Villa park in front of a crowd that is slightly uptight after a shit run.   This is why Dean Smith, however good some of the performances have been so far, is a risk because managing Villa is a whole different ball game to what he's done before.  I think it'll come good and I can't see why we can't still make the playoffs.  We need Jack back though, he's the key to it all. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rigadon on January 23, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
Back to Andre Green, in Smith's interview that was posted earlier on the DS thread, he talked about raising Green's market value, which I thought was a bit of a weird thing to say about a payer coming back off loan.  It struck me that it was a slightly off guard thing to say about a young player.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 23, 2019, 07:44:50 PM
Donít forget Bielsa threw on a 19 year old at Villa Park to try and win the game and he did

He who dares


Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Rigadon on January 23, 2019, 08:03:03 PM
Donít forget Bielsa threw on a 19 year old at Villa Park to try and win the game and he did

He who dares




Oh, it can sometimes work for sure.  To be fair to him, Smith did throw Green on last time out to try and change the game.

I guess I was picking up on your earlier point about what Smith has done at Brentford.  I think his other comments in that interview show that he think the atmosphere at VP is not exactly conducive to experimenting with youth...   
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2019, 08:26:16 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

Are you genuinely struggling to see how that differs from what you're saying?

You keep saying they aren't bothered. That's totally at odds with the quote above.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 23, 2019, 08:36:07 PM
Donít forget Bielsa threw on a 19 year old at Villa Park to try and win the game and he did

He who dares




Oh, it can sometimes work for sure.  To be fair to him, Smith did throw Green on last time out to try and change the game.

I guess I was picking up on your earlier point about what Smith has done at Brentford.  I think his other comments in that interview show that he think the atmosphere at VP is not exactly conducive to experimenting with youth...   

the problem I have, and Iím honestly not trying to argue with people because I get the reasons for not going with the younger unproven players

but you can always find a reason not to take the risk with youth, thereís really never a right time
You can always find an excuse

The atmosphere not right in the stadium, theyíre not ready yet, theyíre not good enough, we need a pre season to work with them, youíre safer with experience, use them slowly and sporadically to let them settle in, you will destroy there confidence by throwing them in to soon, and list goes on, it becomes endless

sometimes youíve just got to have the balls and have a go,
Iím not advocating a whole team of under 23ís but certainly 4 or 5 along with the players that will be here next season

and if we donít go up we will be in better shape to crack on next season knowing what we have and who to bring in without starting all over again wondering if they will be Ďgood enoughí
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on January 23, 2019, 11:01:20 PM
Donít forget Bielsa threw on a 19 year old at Villa Park to try and win the game and he did

He who dares




Clarke is a very good player by the looks of things

Brazil won the world Cup with a teenage Pele upfront. Does that mean we should stick dmitri sea in the team?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AV82EC on January 23, 2019, 11:03:10 PM
Donít forget Bielsa threw on a 19 year old at Villa Park to try and win the game and he did

He who dares




Oh, it can sometimes work for sure.  To be fair to him, Smith did throw Green on last time out to try and change the game.

I guess I was picking up on your earlier point about what Smith has done at Brentford.  I think his other comments in that interview show that he think the atmosphere at VP is not exactly conducive to experimenting with youth...   

the problem I have, and Iím honestly not trying to argue with people because I get the reasons for not going with the younger unproven players

but you can always find a reason not to take the risk with youth, thereís really never a right time
You can always find an excuse

The atmosphere not right in the stadium, theyíre not ready yet, theyíre not good enough, we need a pre season to work with them, youíre safer with experience, use them slowly and sporadically to let them settle in, you will destroy there confidence by throwing them in to soon, and list goes on, it becomes endless

sometimes youíve just got to have the balls and have a go,
Iím not advocating a whole team of under 23ís but certainly 4 or 5 along with the players that will be here next season

and if we donít go up we will be in better shape to crack on next season knowing what we have and who to bring in without starting all over again wondering if they will be Ďgood enoughí

I kind of agree with you but Iím not sure the crowd would stand for it whether we like it or not. Despite being down here for 3 seasons expectations are still too high and the size of experimentation in doing what youíre suggesting just seems too risky to me. Weíll see over the next week if what you suggest starts to formulate into action but I wouldnt hold your breath.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Dazvillain on January 23, 2019, 11:07:54 PM
Back to Andre Green, in Smith's interview that was posted earlier on the DS thread, he talked about raising Green's market value, which I thought was a bit of a weird thing to say about a payer coming back off loan.  It struck me that it was a slightly off guard thing to say about a young player.

Assets / FFP related ?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villa75 on January 23, 2019, 11:59:41 PM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

Are you genuinely struggling to see how that differs from what you're saying?

You keep saying they aren't bothered. That's totally at odds with the quote above.


If you 'expect' something to happen and it doesn't, you would be 'bothered'.

If you're 'not expecting' something to happen and it doesn't, you wouldn't be that 'bothered'.

To reinforce;

The owners are not EXPECTING or REQUIRING promotion QUICKLY so, if it doesn't happen soon it won't bother them.

Capiche?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2019, 12:04:35 AM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on January 24, 2019, 12:23:32 AM
It really is pathetic and tedious now.  Sorry, I mean PATHETIC and TEDIOUS.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2019, 07:51:07 AM
The alternative, and sensible, interpretation is that they won't be looking to sack the manager if we don't go up this season and it won't see us faced with a winding up order either.

For me that makes it pretty clear that they don't want quick fix signings this window and instead want to build properly. I can't work out why you see that as a negative, we've done the old pro quick fix shit and it ended badly.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brian green on January 24, 2019, 08:13:51 AM
 I am a great admirer of Dean Smith.  He is very much his own man.  The comment about building the value of Andre Green may seem on the face of it a little clumsy but it will have been music to the ears of his employers and to Andre who is only a young bloke and flattered by the thought of the personal financial advantages greater value would bring.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
".not EXPECTING or REQUIRING to be promoted QUICKLY"

They're the exact words.

What their definition of "quickly" is, well, only they know.

Are you genuinely struggling to see how that differs from what you're saying?

You keep saying they aren't bothered. That's totally at odds with the quote above.


If you 'expect' something to happen and it doesn't, you would be 'bothered'.

If you're 'not expecting' something to happen and it doesn't, you wouldn't be that 'bothered'.

To reinforce;

The owners are not EXPECTING or REQUIRING promotion QUICKLY so, if it doesn't happen soon it won't bother them.

Capiche?
What are you trying to achieve here Viila75?  What is your reason for pressing this point?  Clearly nobody agrees with your interpretation, which is just plainly ridiculous.  Many people have pointed out the obvious meaning which is in essence positive - that financially we won't go tits up if we're not promoted.  What do you gain from trying to turn this into a negative?  It's just trolling isn't it?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: DrGonzo on January 24, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
I agree with you to an extent, especially about there always being a reason not to, that said his my reason not to ;P, at least not to fill the side with the untested.  Confidence and momentum.  If we brought 4 youngsters in and they all excelled then everything would be just tickety boo.  If we bring them in and they get a couple of trouncings, or taken apart by some of the very decent opposition, the effect on their futures might be sizeable.  However bringing one or two through is obviously the sensible thing to do, and now that Smith has seen the gaping holes in talent that this squad has I feel we may see this. 

Green has obviously been recalled because there had been a conversation with Bolasie and Grealish is crocked.  So we will probably see him play in at least the next couple of matches and if he does well it looks bleak for El Ghazi when Jack returns.  Likewise I think we may see more of Bree at full back before long.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 24, 2019, 01:15:09 PM
Sorry I still don't see it

He has all the look of a top footballer, image, physique etc

I just don't see anything in his performances so far that warrant the suggestion that he will make it - here or anywhere else other than lower leagues
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2019, 02:15:39 PM
Why not?

He's quick, direct, powerful and has a very good shot on him from distance. Some experience and confidence can only improve him.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 24, 2019, 03:35:08 PM
Why not?

He's quick, direct, powerful and has a very good shot on him from distance. Some experience and confidence can only improve him.

It may never work out but heís shown enough potential, so far, that the club should try and get him involved with the first team rather than jettison him because heís not currently ready.

The onus/philosophy of the club should be to coach every player to optimise their ability rather than only buy championship ready players.  The cash saved would hopefully mean that we can buy a higher quality players.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 25, 2019, 05:38:07 PM
Agree with John e entirely that boldness is the key word in giving young players their chance.

I don't understand the 'Don't play the kids 'cos the crowd will get on their backs' line; the only booing O'Hare got was when Deano took him off!!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2019, 06:04:34 PM
Agree with John e entirely that boldness is the key word in giving young players their chance.

I don't understand the 'Don't play the kids 'cos the crowd will get on their backs' line; the only booing O'Hare got was when Deano took him off!!
No individual kid is going to get booed in a one off game like that.  But chuck a few in and if we go on a bad run then the novelty of watching the kids would wear thin with some pretty quickly.  I think that's the point that is being made.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 25, 2019, 06:16:02 PM
Perhaps, but I don't recall any rookies getting stick when the team were losing -including the Swansea game.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2019, 06:57:00 PM
Ultimately no one knows if he can make it, but he definitely wonít if he doesnít play.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on January 25, 2019, 07:31:17 PM
 I really don't know about green

I change my mind a lot. The weirdest thing is that when he came through he seemed to have a few tricks. I barely see that nowadays
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on January 25, 2019, 08:14:57 PM
Agree with John e entirely that boldness is the key word in giving young players their chance.

I don't understand the 'Don't play the kids 'cos the crowd will get on their backs' line; the only booing O'Hare got was when Deano took him off!!
No individual kid is going to get booed in a one off game like that.  But chuck a few in and if we go on a bad run then the novelty of watching the kids would wear thin with some pretty quickly.  I think that's the point that is being made.

we are on a bad run with all the experienced and expensive loan players

we have nothing to lose
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
Agree with John e entirely that boldness is the key word in giving young players their chance.

I don't understand the 'Don't play the kids 'cos the crowd will get on their backs' line; the only booing O'Hare got was when Deano took him off!!
No individual kid is going to get booed in a one off game like that.  But chuck a few in and if we go on a bad run then the novelty of watching the kids would wear thin with some pretty quickly.  I think that's the point that is being made.

The counter to that is that I think fans would be more patient with a team of former academy players than a team with the likes of Bolasie, Whelan, Bjarnason, etc. When you see someone like Green or Davis playing most people will understand that they will have bad games, when it's guys earning £25-30k a week (or significantly more) who've been playing senior football for years they don't get that understanding, they're expected to just do their job.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on January 26, 2019, 06:03:21 PM
Hamstring injury yet again. He's never fit for us.....
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on February 01, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
Dean Smith said he hadn't trained but hoped he train today and be fit for squad against Reading.

I
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2019, 07:18:55 PM
Simply no point in persevering with him.

Not good enough/injury prone - why bother?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2019, 07:23:47 PM
Thatís the spirit.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2019, 07:26:10 PM
I know.

It's tough isn't it.

If we keep messing around with this sort of player we'll be in the Championship forever - is that what you want?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2019, 08:19:11 PM
I want to give him a chance. Shame you don't.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2019, 08:51:41 PM
I know.

It's tough isn't it.

If we keep messing around with this sort of player we'll be in the Championship forever - is that what you want?

Players develop at different speeds, Iím just not prepared to write him off yet.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: algy on February 01, 2019, 09:10:48 PM
I am a great admirer of Dean Smith.  He is very much his own man.  The comment about building the value of Andre Green may seem on the face of it a little clumsy but it will have been music to the ears of his employers and to Andre who is only a young bloke and flattered by the thought of the personal financial advantages greater value would bring.
It makes sense to me. Realistically there aren't that many one club (or 2 club even) players. You have to treat it that those players are at some point going to move on, in which case you want to be the club *selling* Ross McCormack and Scott Hogan for ~£25million, not the club buying them at that price.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2019, 10:13:23 PM
Belting header Andre, well done.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on February 09, 2019, 06:06:57 AM
Ive still no idea what to make of him

He was terrible when he came on, albeit in trying circumstances

But it was a lovely header
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Dave P on February 09, 2019, 07:14:59 AM
If the choice out there is between Green or Kodjia, then there is only one winner. Green is much better suited in this system.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mr underhill on February 09, 2019, 07:37:52 AM
Didn't he score a lovely goal  at the Holte End early last season and then picked up an injury and disappeared without trace?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 09, 2019, 10:19:42 AM
He's no winger, despite his pace. His crossing is dismal and he rarely seems to be able to beat a player despite looking tricky. He looks good in central positions though and knows how to shoot/where the back of the net is.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on February 09, 2019, 10:21:36 AM
I'd give him a start next week in place of either Kodjia or El Ghazi, both of whom have been rubbish lately.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on February 09, 2019, 10:26:50 AM
Kodjia will be gone. Green contributed last night. He's the future. Play him.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 09, 2019, 10:27:41 AM
Said it many times but Kodjia is out of position there, feel sorry for him but you obviously aint going to shift Abraham to put Kodjia back in his correct position. That said, i'd sooner Kodjia out of position on the left than El Ghazi in the team at all on the right, waste of a shirt for the most part and not even our player. If Smith is going to continue with the system we need to rotate Kodjia, Green and Adomah in those 2 roles even though none of them are really that good there. We have no other options currently.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clampy on February 09, 2019, 10:32:23 AM
Kodjia will be gone. Green contributed last night. He's the future. Play him.

I agree with playing Green but the kid needs to stay fit first and foremost.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 09, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
Belting header Andre, well done.

Good he's been practising them out on loan considering some of the sitters he missed last season!

It did let him off the hook a bit as he delivered two abysmal crosses before that.

Still I think there's a good player in there so given this season is drifting to 10th I'd give him some regular starts and hope he can get more confidence as he does have ability.

He reminds me a little of Albrighton when we came through.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: clash city rocker on February 09, 2019, 11:45:12 AM
I still think there is a good future for him. He does seem to lack confidence and often gets caught in two minds.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on February 09, 2019, 11:48:10 AM
I agree he doesn't look like a winger at the moment

But I'm sure when he first came into the side he had a few tricks and could beat a man

He always seemed to play on the right as a kid. You can tell he's not perfected the art of crossing with his left, to say the least
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2019, 11:57:36 AM
I think confidence is the big thing. Hopefully that header will give him that.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Smith on February 09, 2019, 12:15:49 PM
Ive still no idea what to make of him

He was terrible when he came on, albeit in trying circumstances

But it was a lovely header

My thought exactly. He was useless but he did score. Was that a sign that there is more to come or just papering over the cracks? Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on February 09, 2019, 12:18:16 PM
I have always thought that he always plays like he has the world on his shoulders and is scared shitless.
Maybe last night will give him some confidence.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 09, 2019, 01:29:36 PM


I think we'll soon come to realise he's not a winger and he's far more useful through the middle.

Do they even work on making players better these days ?

I recall Ashley Young spent hours with Robertson working on his crossing. Which for a wide player seems absolutely logical to me.

Not sure any of our lot do this nowadays though.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 09, 2019, 03:15:49 PM
He has missed a few chances with his head in the past.
So maybe he has worked on that, it was a very tidy finish.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2019, 03:27:53 PM
From the dumb downward-header into the ground sitter against Hull on the opening day of last season to that fearless head-belter last night that the don Andy Gray himself would have been proud of, he's come a long way.
Andre for President!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on February 09, 2019, 08:40:57 PM
Brilliant header was great stuff . Like him in the team advance forward role let him develop .
Yes couple poor crosses but was a good idea to recall and use him despite I think 90 + min he over hit his second crosses and thought come on Greeny !

Then that leap which he's good at and threatened to score headers before boom in !
Lovely yes tick!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 12:24:47 AM
Really pleased for him because he looked fucking terrified for the first 10-15 minutes after he came on (including putting in one of the most over-hit crosses I've ever seen). I really like him and I think he's got a part to play but if I'm honest I prefer him on the right.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: JJ-AV on February 10, 2019, 08:33:49 AM
Hope it gives him confidence, his first two balls in were dreadful.

I'd love to see him come in to the team and contribute regularly though.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on February 10, 2019, 09:12:05 AM
That cross that went our for a throw in almost without bouncing really was something
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: AV82EC on February 10, 2019, 09:20:58 AM
Well for all the criticism of him I felt he contributed more and pinned his fullback back into his own half more than Kodjia had done. Two appalling crosses made up for with a great headed goal.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on February 10, 2019, 10:01:25 AM
Heís 20 years of age just stepping up into the first team

heís going to make mistakes heís going to over hit some crosses
no more so mind than all the so called experienced players we have who continually underachieve every week but still get into peoples line ups week after week with bagfuls of mistakes

Green can improve whereas most of our high earning plodders wonít
but he and any other younger players wil only improve when given game time

Leeds and Norwich are taking more risks with academy players and they are near the top
itís the way to go we must back our young players and see what they can do



Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Axl Rose on February 10, 2019, 10:09:36 AM
Heís 20 years of age just stepping up into the first team

heís going to make mistakes heís going to over hit some crosses
no more so mind than all the so called experienced players we have who continually underachieve every week but still get into peoples line ups week after week with bagfuls of mistakes

Green can improve whereas most of our high earning plodders wonít
but he and any other younger players wil only improve when given game time

Leeds and Norwich are taking more risks with academy players and they are near the top
itís the way to go we must back our young players and see what they can do





Sense spoken.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: algy on February 10, 2019, 10:13:16 AM
Heís 20 years of age just stepping up into the first team

heís going to make mistakes heís going to over hit some crosses
no more so mind than all the so called experienced players we have who continually underachieve every week but still get into peoples line ups week after week with bagfuls of mistakes

Green can improve whereas most of our high earning plodders wonít
but he and any other younger players wil only improve when given game time

Leeds and Norwich are taking more risks with academy players and they are near the top
itís the way to go we must back our young players and see what they can do
This. Can't have it both ways, criticising Smith for sticking with the more experienced players (Whelan etc) but not wanting the alternative either - raw, young players who are going to make a lot of mistakes because they don't have 10-15 years experience to fall back on. The lads 20 years old, far too young to be criticised because he's not the finished article let alone written off entirely.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Smith on February 10, 2019, 10:35:50 AM
Heís 20 years of age just stepping up into the first team

heís going to make mistakes heís going to over hit some crosses
no more so mind than all the so called experienced players we have who continually underachieve every week but still get into peoples line ups week after week with bagfuls of mistakes

Green can improve whereas most of our high earning plodders wonít
but he and any other younger players wil only improve when given game time

Leeds and Norwich are taking more risks with academy players and they are near the top
itís the way to go we must back our young players and see what they can do
This. Can't have it both ways, criticising Smith for sticking with the more experienced players (Whelan etc) but not wanting the alternative either - raw, young players who are going to make a lot of mistakes because they don't have 10-15 years experience to fall back on. The lads 20 years old, far too young to be criticised because he's not the finished article let alone written off entirely.

So, when describing his performance do you just ignore the fact that he messed up every cross he attempted because heís only 20? Pointing out his mistakes is not the same as writing him off but perhaps a caution not to just assume he will become the player we would all like him to be and that there is work to be done.

I am not sure at the moment exactly what type of player his. I donít think heís a traditional winger and neither is a out and out striker. Itís down to Smith and his staff, as well as the player himself, to work that out and if he has what it takes to play for Villa for the he next few years.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ads on February 10, 2019, 10:35:51 AM
Wingers are going to over hit crosses. Whether they're Ryan Giggs or whoever.

Green has shown development. I think he's big  strong and quick and ideally suited for causing problems. Run till the end of the season for me.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on February 10, 2019, 10:43:30 AM
Heís 20 years of age just stepping up into the first team

heís going to make mistakes heís going to over hit some crosses
no more so mind than all the so called experienced players we have who continually underachieve every week but still get into peoples line ups week after week with bagfuls of mistakes

Green can improve whereas most of our high earning plodders wonít
but he and any other younger players wil only improve when given game time

Leeds and Norwich are taking more risks with academy players and they are near the top
itís the way to go we must back our young players and see what they can do
This. Can't have it both ways, criticising Smith for sticking with the more experienced players (Whelan etc) but not wanting the alternative either - raw, young players who are going to make a lot of mistakes because they don't have 10-15 years experience to fall back on. The lads 20 years old, far too young to be criticised because he's not the finished article let alone written off entirely.

So, when describing his performance do you just ignore the fact that he messed up every cross he attempted because heís only 20? Pointing out his mistakes is not the same as writing him off but perhaps a caution not to just assume he will become the player we would all like him to be and that there is work to be done.

I am not sure at the moment exactly what type of player his. I donít think heís a traditional winger and neither is a out and out striker. Itís down to Smith and his staff, as well as the player himself, to work that out and if he has what it takes to play for Villa for the he next few years.

every cross he attempted !  that would be 2 then as he'd only been on a few minutes

then he scored a great headed goal to salvage a point

not like you Chris to be negative, your normally leading the positive charge against all the odds whilst holding the flag aloft
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 10, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
100% start for me on Wednesday. His work rate and effort will better suit us as Kodjia is beyond lazy
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Smith on February 10, 2019, 11:19:43 AM
Heís 20 years of age just stepping up into the first team

heís going to make mistakes heís going to over hit some crosses
no more so mind than all the so called experienced players we have who continually underachieve every week but still get into peoples line ups week after week with bagfuls of mistakes

Green can improve whereas most of our high earning plodders wonít
but he and any other younger players wil only improve when given game time

Leeds and Norwich are taking more risks with academy players and they are near the top
itís the way to go we must back our young players and see what they can do
This. Can't have it both ways, criticising Smith for sticking with the more experienced players (Whelan etc) but not wanting the alternative either - raw, young players who are going to make a lot of mistakes because they don't have 10-15 years experience to fall back on. The lads 20 years old, far too young to be criticised because he's not the finished article let alone written off entirely.

So, when describing his performance do you just ignore the fact that he messed up every cross he attempted because heís only 20? Pointing out his mistakes is not the same as writing him off but perhaps a caution not to just assume he will become the player we would all like him to be and that there is work to be done.

I am not sure at the moment exactly what type of player his. I donít think heís a traditional winger and neither is a out and out striker. Itís down to Smith and his staff, as well as the player himself, to work that out and if he has what it takes to play for Villa for the he next few years.

every cross he attempted !  that would be 2 then as he'd only been on a few minutes

then he scored a great headed goal to salvage a point

not like you Chris to be negative, your normally leading the positive charge against all the odds whilst holding the flag aloft

John, I am not intending to be negative just cautious. I have seen too many players fail to match the intitial hype to get carried away until I see some substance. Thatís not the same as writing him off but more a case of wanting to see him over a run of games to see if he has the intelligence and attitude to match his raw talent and to fit into the Dean Smith style of play. I hope he has as there is nothing better than seeing one of our own youngsters make the grade.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on February 10, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
Heís 20 years of age just stepping up into the first team

heís going to make mistakes heís going to over hit some crosses
no more so mind than all the so called experienced players we have who continually underachieve every week but still get into peoples line ups week after week with bagfuls of mistakes

Green can improve whereas most of our high earning plodders wonít
but he and any other younger players wil only improve when given game time

Leeds and Norwich are taking more risks with academy players and they are near the top
itís the way to go we must back our young players and see what they can do
This. Can't have it both ways, criticising Smith for sticking with the more experienced players (Whelan etc) but not wanting the alternative either - raw, young players who are going to make a lot of mistakes because they don't have 10-15 years experience to fall back on. The lads 20 years old, far too young to be criticised because he's not the finished article let alone written off entirely.

So, when describing his performance do you just ignore the fact that he messed up every cross he attempted because heís only 20? Pointing out his mistakes is not the same as writing him off but perhaps a caution not to just assume he will become the player we would all like him to be and that there is work to be done.

I am not sure at the moment exactly what type of player his. I donít think heís a traditional winger and neither is a out and out striker. Itís down to Smith and his staff, as well as the player himself, to work that out and if he has what it takes to play for Villa for the he next few years.

every cross he attempted !  that would be 2 then as he'd only been on a few minutes

then he scored a great headed goal to salvage a point

not like you Chris to be negative, your normally leading the positive charge against all the odds whilst holding the flag aloft

John, I am not intending to be negative just cautious. I have seen too many players fail to match the intitial hype to get carried away until I see some substance. Thatís not the same as writing him off but more a case of wanting to see him over a run of games to see if he has the intelligence and attitude to match his raw talent and to fit into the Dean Smith style of play. I hope he has as there is nothing better than seeing one of our own youngsters make the grade.

fair play Chris

I'm not hyping him either I've no idea if he'll be good enough
But I'd still rather see him and other younger players given a chance rather bringing more loan players in or watching older players run there contracts down
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on February 10, 2019, 08:32:57 PM
Who else is in for Andre Green starting Wednesday?!

Vote Green!

Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: pooligan on February 10, 2019, 09:19:32 PM
I would play Green on Wednesday,thing is can he avoid getting injured between now and Wednesday ?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2019, 09:22:01 PM
Who else is in for Andre Green starting Wednesday?!

Vote Green!


As I've said a few times, I think he'd be better on the right and I'd like to see him tuck in 10-15 yards so he can get closer to Tammy, I'd get Kodjia to do the same on the other side and then ask the midfield 3 to do more to help cover the fullbacks if they're being overloaded.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on February 11, 2019, 07:00:14 AM
I thought he played very narrow on Friday. Too narrow for me actually

Agree Im not sure why he always plays on the left
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Ian J on February 11, 2019, 07:16:57 AM
I didnít realise that heís only 20. We have to keep him fit and give him game time. He has ability there is no doubt. I canít believe weíre sometimes so quick to right off our players.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 11, 2019, 04:32:09 PM
Hopefully scoring will help give him confidence. I would rather see our own players on the pitch than loan players where the loan player is not obviously better. I can see why Abraham gets a place ahead of Davis (or anyone else in the squad), but with El Ghazi hardly pulling up any trees Green should be playing ahead of him now.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: UK Redsox on February 11, 2019, 05:37:51 PM
Who else is in for Andre Green starting Wednesday?!

Vote Green!



Start Brian and Damon as well
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Richard E on February 11, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
And lime and Forest.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 11, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
I previously said that I was unsure of any of Greens attributes were and that one of his biggest failings was his heading ability.

But f*ck me that was exceptional
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on February 13, 2019, 06:03:52 PM
Hope he starts tonight !
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on February 13, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
I think he's been awful since he came on

Won't lay into him but I'm still really not sure about him
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on February 13, 2019, 09:46:22 PM
He's pony. Not going to make it at this level. Imo.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on February 13, 2019, 11:51:30 PM
Feel Smith alluded to Green not being quite ready to start yet but once up to speed I think he could be well playing
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 14, 2019, 10:40:41 AM
I've got my doubts too but the single biggest thing that's fucking me off about Smith at the moment is playing El Khazi and not one of our own players. If it's a choice between playing that on loan nothing or giving Green a proper run so that we can make our minds up on him, play Green for fucks sake.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: john e on February 14, 2019, 02:46:31 PM
I've got my doubts too but the single biggest thing that's fucking me off about Smith at the moment is playing El Khazi and not one of our own players. If it's a choice between playing that on loan nothing or giving Green a proper run so that we can make our minds up on him, play Green for fucks sake.

spot on and the same for a lot more players including those out of contract at the end of the season
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Chris Smith on February 14, 2019, 02:54:13 PM
Green is returning from injury and is apparently not fit enough for 90 minutes so it makes sense to bring him on when the opposition are tiring where his lack of sharpness is less of an issue. It didnít work last night but he cannot be judged when the whole team are below par. I would like to think that we will see more of him as he gets stronger.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: footyskillz on February 14, 2019, 03:30:44 PM
On the last 2 matches his few  crosses have been so poor .

Especially on his left foot.

Yesterday had a chance but was a weak cross straight to goal keeper.

I do like him and his potential.
Was very decent on pre season .
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2019, 03:34:45 PM
Was awful when he came on but saying that all our wide players were poor yesterday
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2019, 07:03:43 PM
Looks lacking in confidence. But in his defence weíre so disjointed at the moment essentially anytime a player gets the ball they have to do everything themselves. Thereís no movement off the ball and that makes it really fucking difficult.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Matt Collins on March 13, 2019, 10:45:08 PM
Impressed with him today. Probably the best I've seen him play for 90 mins.

Quick, physical, good choices

Me likey
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on March 14, 2019, 01:24:29 AM
Looked much more confident on the ball and prepared to run at defenders. Definitely work in progress and much more to come from him.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: godzvilla on March 14, 2019, 12:54:42 PM
No doubt Green has the skill but one word sums him up , for me,' lightweight'  . Also he seems to be a distinctly passionless, player . His Report Card would read " good, but could do better"................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LukeJames on March 14, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
I thought it was the best I've seen him play for us when we was on the right wing yesterday.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: fbriai on March 14, 2019, 01:04:52 PM
I prefer him coming off the bench for the last half hour, at the moment. He's quick and can run all day, which can be a bit daunting for a full-back who's been on the go for the last 60 minutes.

He's definitely developing though. Let's hope he keeps on this trajectory.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 14, 2019, 03:08:10 PM
Lacks that extra yard of pace to be really dangerous.
But I take his attitude and contrition over Adomah right now.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 14, 2019, 03:42:01 PM
Getting better the more he plays, imo. Playing the entire match yesterday will have done wonders for his confidence. I love Bert, he waged what often seemed a one-man war for us for a lot of last season, much like Kodjia the season before, but Green's in ahead of him for me now.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: DennisHodgetts on March 14, 2019, 04:12:58 PM
I completely agree. He has great potential and a run in the team could see him turn into the player we all hope for. He did some good stuff last night, the ball in to Tammy for example. He can also contribute goals and was unlucky not to get that header against SHA. Stick with him Smithy for now.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on March 14, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
I thought he was pretty anonymous for most of the second half yesterday.

I donít dislike the kid, but donít think he offers a great deal. There is the odd flash but on the whole he still looks to me like heís frightened to death.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on March 14, 2019, 05:23:18 PM
I think he may end up as a center forward. Just a hunch, not the best in the wing but has something about him.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on March 14, 2019, 06:38:43 PM
I thought it was the best I've seen him play for us when we was on the right wing yesterday.

I've said plenty of times that I think he's better on the right, he looks much more comfortable.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: brontebilly on March 14, 2019, 08:19:59 PM
I thought it was the best I've seen him play for us when we was on the right wing yesterday.

I've said plenty of times that I think he's better on the right, he looks much more comfortable.

Very poor on his left foot and that's a significant limitation for a wide man.

Was from the left wing position though that he swung in a great cross to McGinn in the second half

Needs to work more on his touch but thought he was very good last night, particularly without the ball.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mike on April 07, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
I met a mate of Andre the other day who has known him since school. This bloke, who is otherwise really decent, is an avid nose so I asked with some trepidation who Andre supported as a kid. He said he was a massive Villa fan. He said heíd have loved Andre to sign for Blues but thinks heíd have probably refused to play for them. Lush that was good work for McGinnís goal.

Having said all of that, if we go up Iím not sure heís PL quality.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Risso on April 07, 2019, 11:51:28 AM
I think the kid needs a rest.  I'd be starting Adomah, and bringing Green on as the fresh pair of legs when required.  Green's decision making isn't there yet, and when we're under the cosh like the second half yesterday, he doesn't provide enough support to Elmohamady on the right.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mr underhill on April 07, 2019, 12:18:32 PM
is his current position his best one though?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2019, 01:07:52 PM
is his current position his best one though?
Where would you play him, Mr U?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: mr underhill on April 07, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
well I'm not sure, but during pre-season with Bruce, wasn't he being played  more centrally from where he scored some very good goals. He's a conundrum Andre, there is talent there, but he goes missing too much for me at the moment and doesn't offer enough protection defensively.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on April 07, 2019, 01:28:40 PM
I think the kid needs a rest.  I'd be starting Adomah, and bringing Green on as the fresh pair of legs when required.  Green's decision making isn't there yet, and when we're under the cosh like the second half yesterday, he doesn't provide enough support to Elmohamady on the right.
Needs a rest? Bloody hell Risso, heís only started half a dozen games.😉
I do think he need to be taken out of the firing line for a bit. Deano has shown massive faith and loyalty to keep starting him despite him being a weak link and yes he has done one or two good things in each game, but on the whole I really donít see him as being good enough for us. To me, he still looks like he is scared stiff every time he gets the ball.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
I just think heís a very average young player but at this moment heís doing ok and as good or marginally better than Albert. If we go up I donít expect heíll be a starting option but someone who might be a decent squad player. Heís got a very good attitude and has chipped in since returning with a a few critical contributions. So for now heís done well enough to keep his spot.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Pete3206 on April 07, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
I think Albert and Kodja are better players.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: frank black on April 07, 2019, 01:48:01 PM
Needs the ball played in front of him. Not the best facing away from goal and yesterday was a prime example of this.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2019, 01:56:54 PM
Right wing is the right place for him, we just need to be patient with him, he did really well for the first goal yesterday and he's definitely getting more involved as the games go on. If we go up he's probably not ready to start in the premier league but I'd be happy to have him in the squad as an option.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 07, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
potential - I still think he is better on the left and El Ghazhi on the right but what do I know.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: jwarry on April 07, 2019, 04:54:16 PM
He certainly seems to draw divided opinion! Personally I think heís potentially international class (and I seem to remember Arsenal trying to poach him as a kid) but heís clearly a confidence player. Also pretty clear Dean believes in him so heís getting a chance to build that confidence.  Put it this way Iíd rather give one of our own a chance to prove himself than an overpaid Bolassie
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 07, 2019, 05:28:31 PM
International class nowhere near - his final ball is poor
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2019, 06:16:51 PM
International class nowhere near - his final ball is poor
Apart from yesterday's to SJM ....

Actually, he can play some really good passes into the danger area, but he suffers from inconsistency in that regard.
the biggest frustration for me is that he doesn't get down the wing enough; he gets stuck on the touchline and becomes boxed in very quickly. He has to be on the move more. And his support of our fullback is patchy.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on April 07, 2019, 07:40:50 PM
Andre Green is still very young, but has huge potential. He just needs more game time. Some people need to be patient...
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2019, 07:45:53 PM
He's doing ok so far, not much sign of being international class yet though, well unless they find he has a Scottish granny and then he'll get 100 caps.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2019, 08:20:54 PM
I only see the highlights but in recent games his touch and technical ability to beat players when coming in centrally has been impressive on a few occasions.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Bren'd on April 07, 2019, 09:46:50 PM
He hasnít been anywhere as good prior to his last injury. He did exceptionally well to make SJMís goal. Did he do anything else of note?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Villafirst on April 07, 2019, 09:55:28 PM
I trust Dean Smith's judgement over anyone else's on here. Green will be a star in this team as he matures and learns, particularly in decision making which only comes with experience.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2019, 12:38:12 AM
Heís working with a coaching staff that actually seem to improve players and get them playing to the full of their potential. Been a while since weíve been able to say that.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: KRS on April 08, 2019, 02:36:41 AM
Said it before but he really needs to work on his delivery, and that is easily sorted with putting in cross after cross after cross in training. Would also like to see him (and El Ghazi) take on fullbacks from a standing position rather than pass back...they both have the turn of pace to do so.

Both Green or El Ghazi are confidence players and have a lot to learn, and I think the best way to utilise them at the moment is to keep switching wings during games. They may learn quicker, contribute more and it unsettles fullbacks.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2019, 11:57:24 AM
He's now got the opportunity to play in a team that's doing well, full of confidence and that has a togetherness we've not had in a long time. He needs to be given that chance. He chased that ball down and created a goal on Saturday, he's doing ok.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: CpF on April 09, 2019, 12:07:49 AM
You can see why some are saying Green isn't good enough. His wing play isn't always the best, he seems to struggle to dribble past a player or put in crosses that beat the first man. Until his assist v SW he'd been having a shocker. I think he really has massive potential, though. His strengths are in his passing, vision, shooting and composure. If he's going to make it he will either need to get a lot better at beating his man (because his crossing is excellent on the occasions when he does), or possibly play as a CAM. He could be a star if it goes right.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LowerNorthStand on April 09, 2019, 10:13:48 AM
He hasnít been anywhere as good prior to his last injury. He did exceptionally well to make SJMís goal. Did he do anything else of note?

No. Albert did more in the last 10 minutes. Cleared a header then scored the goal.

I like Green he is a good talent. Needs support.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: SW9-VILLA on April 09, 2019, 12:37:00 PM
Him chasing that lost cause to Saturday to put it into the box for SJM to finish was sublime. Think he's a great talent.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: tomd2103 on April 09, 2019, 02:19:20 PM
He hasnít been anywhere as good prior to his last injury. He did exceptionally well to make SJMís goal. Did he do anything else of note?

No. Albert did more in the last 10 minutes. Cleared a header then scored the goal.

I like Green he is a good talent. Needs support.

In his short career so far, I think he has always looked more of a threat when he has come on in the final stages of games.  He has just never looks as threatening when he starts a game. 

I would consider swapping him and Adomah for the next few weeks and have him coming on in the latter stages of games, but I do wonder whether Smith wants some genuine pace in the side and that is why he is getting the nod at the moment. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 09, 2019, 02:58:45 PM
Seems to me that most of the comments are the same as Mark Albrighton a few years back
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 09, 2019, 03:04:31 PM
Seems to me that most of the comments are the same as Mark Albrighton a few years back

Whatever happened to him?
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Billy Walker on April 09, 2019, 04:13:21 PM
International class nowhere near - his final ball is poor

That will come, he's only young.  He needs to be given the time to gain confidence and develop.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on April 09, 2019, 05:48:44 PM
I read something on the mail website where Kenny Jackett said he's not surprised that he's come back to us and is playing, as he knew Deano wanted to sign him for Brentford.

It's good for the lad that the manager believes in him. Personally, I think he'll click at some point and become a devastating player, though I think in a more central position.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2019, 05:56:28 PM
I read something on the mail website where Kenny Jackett said he's not surprised that he's come back to us and is playing, as he knew Deano wanted to sign him for Brentford.

It's good for the lad that the manager believes in him. Personally, I think he'll click at some point and become a devastating player, though I think in a more central position.

As I've said a few times I think, longer term, he'd like to tuck both wingers 10 yards in field and have the fullbacks getting further forward. I think Green would be a great choice in that role where he has the space to go in or out, Grealish would be great at it on the other side as well and then you could have McGinn, a deep playmaker and an enforcer in behind them. Having fullbacks with the pace and stamina to get up and down is the key though.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: LeeB on April 09, 2019, 06:53:03 PM
Yes Paul, I like the sound of that.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on April 09, 2019, 08:06:59 PM
I read something on the mail website where Kenny Jackett said he's not surprised that he's come back to us and is playing, as he knew Deano wanted to sign him for Brentford.

It's good for the lad that the manager believes in him. Personally, I think he'll click at some point and become a devastating player, though I think in a more central position.

As I've said a few times I think, longer term, he'd like to tuck both wingers 10 yards in field and have the fullbacks getting further forward. I think Green would be a great choice in that role where he has the space to go in or out, Grealish would be great at it on the other side as well and then you could have McGinn, a deep playmaker and an enforcer in behind them. Having fullbacks with the pace and stamina to get up and down is the key though.

I would quite like Joe Lolley to play in that type of midfield too.  Would fit in nicely if we are still in the Championship next season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
The fact is that our manager is playing an academy graduate on a regular basis in a team that's won 6 games on the bounce.

There's no debate to be had. He's playing a part in a winning team and our positive manager has faith in him.

It's something to be lauded and relished.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: purpletrousers on April 10, 2019, 12:05:18 AM
The fact is that our manager is playing an academy graduate on a regular basis in a team that's won 6 games on the bounce.

There's no debate to be had. He's playing a part in a winning team and our positive manager has faith in him.

It's something to be lauded and relished.

This is all wonderfully unfamiliar stuff.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2019, 11:00:27 PM
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 19, 2019, 07:08:38 AM
Coaching staff at the Training ground, working with the players.improving players.
Nice interview.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 01, 2019, 05:51:33 PM
On his way to Preston on loan apparently.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2019, 05:53:15 PM
Have we renewed his contract? I'd rather he didn't leave for free at the end of the year. Especially after seeing how much they got for Robinson.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2019, 06:50:15 PM
I'd like to have seen him stick around this season and learn off the others. I wonder if it means RHM might have more of a role to play this season? He's been playing out wide when he's been in the team pre-season.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 07:03:06 PM
Given how we play I'd have RHM slightly ahead of Green now for the wide roles.

Green is in desperate need of a confidence boost to encourage him to try taking people on.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 07:22:56 PM
The pressure of the PL will finish him off, if he ever gets a game.
Best for all concerned if he gets a loan at a quality championship club.
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 08:32:59 PM
https://twitter.com/pnefc/status/1157007130504966144?s=21

Gone already
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: Newby on August 01, 2019, 08:34:32 PM
https://twitter.com/pnefc/status/1157007130504966144?s=21

Gone already
\

That was quick.  Good all round I think. 
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: amfy on August 01, 2019, 08:39:47 PM
This is brilliant as Mr Amfy has been calling him ĎPreston North Endís Andrť Greení since the first day he saw him. Heís delighted with this signing!
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2019, 08:40:52 PM
I knew he'd end up there! 😂
Title: Re: Andre Green
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2019, 08:42:32 PM
Thread title needs to change ?
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 01, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
Hope he makes his mark at PNE - decent well run club with a positive outlook on the game 
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 01, 2019, 09:20:17 PM
SJM describes him as the most romantic guy at the club.  I took it to mean that his love for the club is up there with Grealish.  I hope he can make it here eventually.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: pooligan on August 01, 2019, 09:43:30 PM
Probably for the best he has gone to Preston for the season. I don't think he is good enough for the Premier Lets hope he does well and hopefully get some goals against Small Heath and Sandwell Town
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: mike on August 01, 2019, 09:45:15 PM
SJM describes him as the most romantic guy at the club.  I took it to mean that his love for the club is up there with Grealish.  I hope he can make it here eventually.

I can confirm, having spoken to a boyhood friend of his, he is a lifelong Villa fan.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 01, 2019, 09:58:25 PM
I think he needs to play as much as possible and gain in confidence and experience.

I havenít seen enough of him to make me believe he will make it but I wish he had more self belief and a bit of the devil in him. He seems to not back himself to beat his defender as much as he should. Good luck to him at Preston.
 
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Damo70 on August 01, 2019, 10:02:55 PM
A season on loan in the Championship is just what he needs at this stage of his career. Also he is going to a pretty stable club.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2019, 10:52:05 PM
I think he needs to play as much as possible and gain in confidence and experience.

I havenít seen enough of him to make me believe he will make it but I wish he had more self belief and a bit of the devil in him. He seems to not back himself to beat his defender as much as he should. Good luck to him at Preston.
 

If he can learn to trust himself and make quicker chocies he can still become a good player, he has the touch, strength and pace to be a premier league winger, but he doesn't have the mentality at the moment.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2019, 12:07:53 AM
Good loan for him, Preston play 4-3-3 and got vacancy with Calum Robinson leaving so he'll get plenty of starts if he's up to it.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 02, 2019, 12:10:43 AM
Best decision all round imo. Didn't make a dent in our Championship campaign and wouldn't/shouldn't get anywhere near the first team in the Premier League. Goes missing too often in games, and rarely makes the right decision when he does appear.

Not his biggest fan, but best of luck Andre - Hope you prove me wrong!
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Matt C on August 02, 2019, 01:48:05 AM
Excellent loan for him, hope he gets a good injury-free spell.

Guess this means weíre signing another winger.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 02, 2019, 07:52:06 AM
Make or break season  for him.  His he good enough for the championship - perhaps not for the top few sides but in my opinion can do a job.

Go for it Andre Green
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2019, 08:00:10 AM
He still has lots of potential and has a knack of popping up and getting a goal. I hope being a more regular starter with less pressure helps his confidence and that he comes back to us ready to compete for a place in the match day squad.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2019, 08:04:13 AM
I think he needs to play as much as possible and gain in confidence and experience.

I havenít seen enough of him to make me believe he will make it but I wish he had more self belief and a bit of the devil in him. He seems to not back himself to beat his defender as much as he should. Good luck to him at Preston.
 

If he can learn to trust himself and make quicker chocies he can still become a good player, he has the touch, strength and pace to be a premier league winger, but he doesn't have the mentality at the moment.
Agree with that summary, Paul.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: hipkiss92 on August 02, 2019, 10:34:09 AM
I think he needs to play as much as possible and gain in confidence and experience.

I havenít seen enough of him to make me believe he will make it but I wish he had more self belief and a bit of the devil in him. He seems to not back himself to beat his defender as much as he should. Good luck to him at Preston.
 

If he can learn to trust himself and make quicker chocies he can still become a good player, he has the touch, strength and pace to be a premier league winger, but he doesn't have the mentality at the moment.
Agree with that summary, Paul.

Always thought he plays with himself in fear of another hamstring injury. Never seemed to show the pace he had before the injury.

Even if he never comes back, the last minute header against Sheff Utd will make him a cult hero (together with his goal against Norwich start of season before last).
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: darren woolley on August 02, 2019, 04:09:51 PM
Good luck to Andre.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 02, 2019, 04:12:49 PM
Glad he's gone to a place with a young coach, hope he gets some confidence.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2019, 10:24:43 AM
Good luck Andre.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Villafirst on October 01, 2019, 06:19:09 PM
I see Andre is barely making the bench on loan at Preston. He's going backwards in his career. Potentially a good player but not progressing at all....
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 01, 2019, 06:41:07 PM
I'm quite surprised as he wasn't playing badly in our run up towards the end of last season
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Newby on October 01, 2019, 06:49:06 PM
Sorry, he's crap.  Never going to make it at Villa imo.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 01, 2019, 07:13:31 PM
I don't think he's crap, but he's been very unlucky with injuries. He doesn't seem to have been given much of a chance at Preston. He played and scored in the League Cup but has only had one lengthy appearance since. Other than that he's just had a few minutes here and there. You wouldn't necessarily expect him to take the world by storm in that time.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Bren'd on October 01, 2019, 07:41:08 PM
I agree with both the above. Heís crap and he isnít crap. But heís crap more often than when he isnít.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Rudy65 on October 01, 2019, 09:21:51 PM
 He is a winger who canít cross. Not a good combination
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Richard E on October 01, 2019, 09:23:10 PM
He is a winger who canít cross. Not a good combination

Thatís a market we seem to have cornered in recent years.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: robbo1874 on October 01, 2019, 10:49:18 PM
Heís a youngster. 3/4 of Daleyís crosses ended up in the lower north, from what I remember when he first came into the side. You need a bit of patience with wingers, I think.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Villafirst on October 01, 2019, 10:58:32 PM
Probably too many hamstring problems at such a young age. He's lost a yard of pace through these injuries I fear. Certainly not crap!
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2019, 11:03:13 PM
Heís a youngster. 3/4 of Daleyís crosses ended up in the lower north, from what I remember when he first came into the side. You need a bit of patience with wingers, I think.

Daley was superb with the ball at his feet though, and had pace and a huge amount of skill. I can't really say that Green is particularly good at anything.  Would think he'll have a career as a lower Championship/upper League 1 player.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: robbo1874 on October 01, 2019, 11:14:29 PM
Thatís true, he did. So has Traore. How long did he get to prove himself?

My point is that most young wingers need time and perseverance to come good.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 01, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
Thatís true, he did. So has Traore. How long did he get to prove himself?

My point is that most young wingers need time and perseverance to come good.
What are we classing as Ďyoungí ? Isnít he 22? He always appears to be a rabbit in the headlights to me, canít see him ever making a premier league player unfortunately.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Luke8 on October 02, 2019, 09:39:05 AM
He was 21 in May.

It is not necessarily just an age thing though, it is often more to do with a players game time/minutes. Over the three season in the Championship, it was only really those last six months where he featured with any consistency. I canít remember exactly how much of that was due to injury, but could probably have done with a good loan move earlier.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Mister E on October 02, 2019, 09:52:00 AM
He'd be better off as an inside forward, playing off a deent centre forward. He's reading of the gameis okay and he can hit the back of the net.
As would be AEG.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Drummond on October 02, 2019, 11:07:09 AM
He'd be better off as an inside forward, playing off a deent centre forward. He's reading of the gameis okay and he can hit the back of the net.
As would be AEG.

Agree with this.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: eamonn on October 02, 2019, 02:55:50 PM
Not in their 18 last night either. Nor Hogan for a continually beleaguered Stoke. When was our last loaned-out lad that ripped a place up, Jack at Notts County? We don't have a great record with it.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 02, 2019, 03:08:16 PM
Callum O'Hare is impressing at Coventry
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 02, 2019, 03:22:52 PM
Very sad to say it but I really don't rate Green. He is oddly slow for a 'winger' and as others have said, can't really cross. Which would be fine if he was comfortable on the ball but he always looks like he's just waiting to lose it.

Would sell in a heartbeat if we got a half-decent offer, but not making the squad for his Championship loan team is not promising in that regard.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: AV82EC on October 02, 2019, 07:15:53 PM
He always reminded me of an inferior Scott Sinclair.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: amfy on October 06, 2019, 12:17:12 PM
Not even on the bench yesterday and PNE are flying so canít see him getting games.

Needs to be loaned elsewhere because he was getting more game time for us! Completely defeats the object of a loan if heís nowhere near the team - going backwards.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
Not even on the bench yesterday and PNE are flying so canít see him getting games.

Needs to be loaned elsewhere because he was getting more game time for us! Completely defeats the object of a loan if heís nowhere near the team - going backwards.

He's one of those players that tends not to do very much wrong, but also doesn't do enough in a positive sense to warrant being an attacking player in a top side.  As I said higher up the page, his level is nowhere near the Premier League.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: amfy on October 06, 2019, 01:15:08 PM
Itís not going to be anywhere near anywhere if he doesnít get a game soon!

Not making any comment on whether he is or ever will be good enough for The Premier League, just that players donít go out on loan to rot in someone elseís reserves (unless they are a useless wage drain & we are just looking for some mug to share the pain & I donít think Green is anywhere near this category)

He was good enough to help get us up last year & if PNE donít need him there are other Championship sides who could be helping him to develop.

Callum Robinson had a slow start at PNE & is now a Premier League player, but this is worse than slow - he just isnít getting a look in.

Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 06, 2019, 01:30:11 PM
He will be back in January I suspect.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Villafirst on December 12, 2019, 09:54:52 PM
So Alex Neil, Preston's Manager, has confirmed that Andre has Arthritis in his big toe! Obviously he's not fit. This doesn't sound good at the young age of only 21. So much promise early on but his career is going backwards.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2019, 08:57:45 AM
Blimey, that doesn't sound good at all. Will he be able to continue his career?
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2019, 09:49:36 AM
Arthritis is a bit of a catch all, it could just be gout which is an inflammatory form of arthritis & easily treated.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: 260475 on December 13, 2019, 10:52:29 AM
Arthritis is a bit of a catch all, it could just be gout which is an inflammatory form of arthritis & easily treated.
Err gout can be way more than 'just gout', and crippling. It can be managed thankfully. In my experience mitigation is best done by moderate intake of listed causal foods. (lists are a bit Ott). The hidden trigger varies from one individual to another. In my case the 'must avoid' is Glucose Fructose Syrup (often a small print ingredient in many items). Happens at all ages - thing is when you are young and constantly training it can mask what is going on, and the energy consumption at pro level often entails boost refuelling which can supply these triggers. Identify them and it can be managed.... or pills can be taken.
Clearly a pet subject of mine, sorry if too pedantic! UTV
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: UK Redsox on December 13, 2019, 10:58:59 AM
Toe inflammation can be debilitating.

I damaged my right big toe on the crappy astro surface at Brum Uni back in 2002. The nail is wrecked and the toe itself still gives me problems now.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 13, 2019, 11:04:51 AM
Good lord that sounds painful.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: SteveN on December 13, 2019, 01:08:43 PM
I have arthritis in both big toes and it can be really painful when it hits.  Must be very difficult to play football with that condition, I would struggle.  Lots of other reasons I would struggle mind.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2019, 01:55:58 PM
Arthritis is a bit of a catch all, it could just be gout which is an inflammatory form of arthritis & easily treated.
Err gout can be way more than 'just gout', and crippling. It can be managed thankfully. In my experience mitigation is best done by moderate intake of listed causal foods. (lists are a bit Ott). The hidden trigger varies from one individual to another. In my case the 'must avoid' is Glucose Fructose Syrup (often a small print ingredient in many items). Happens at all ages - thing is when you are young and constantly training it can mask what is going on, and the energy consumption at pro level often entails boost refuelling which can supply these triggers. Identify them and it can be managed.... or pills can be taken.
Clearly a pet subject of mine, sorry if too pedantic! UTV

I've had it a few times and my trigger is similar, high sugar energy drinks/bars, I usually get it after an endurance race where there's little choice, I've learned to counter it now with large amounts of water, still get it but much milder.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: 260475 on December 13, 2019, 03:31:58 PM
Agree, if slow onset then water flush usually works. If acute then you can end up on a walking stick or even bedridden for days. Identifying the acute cause was my win.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: darren woolley on December 13, 2019, 04:13:18 PM
That sounds painful.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: brian green on December 13, 2019, 05:01:40 PM
William Blake made a coloured drawing he titled "Gout".  It is excruciating even to look at it.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: wince on December 14, 2019, 09:25:05 AM
William Blake made a coloured drawing he titled "Gout".  It is excruciating even to look at it.

It was by James gilray.

I dropped an 8stone inch thick mdf board on my left big toe and broke the 2nd and 3rd toe. Can no longer make a ďfistĒ with my foot and still get pain now. I think his career will be done now
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Vill I An on December 14, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
Greeny is out of contract in summer 2020
I think he needs a fair go here and being a home grown one of the villa boys
I fear for him though.
Maybe Smith doesn't rate him so highly .
Andre has potential and Villa don't want to let go an asset with growth potential
Same with Davis
If villa did go down both would be contenders for squad if not team due to other players moving on and being sold.
I hope Green gets a chance and seen as some player who can do well at villa .
This injury thing then may be the reason he's held back hope he recovers !
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2019, 12:48:59 PM
Agree, if slow onset then water flush usually works. If acute then you can end up on a walking stick or even bedridden for days. Identifying the acute cause was my win.
What is water flush ?
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 14, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
Agree, if slow onset then water flush usually works. If acute then you can end up on a walking stick or even bedridden for days. Identifying the acute cause was my win.
What is water flush ?

Dilution of the uric acid that causes the gout attack, basically drink a shit load of water.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2019, 02:09:18 PM
Disappointed how Green hasn't kicked on. Couple of loan spells now have failed and was given a number of chances to impress Smith last season but didn't really. Green looks the part but for all his physique he never quite uses it to his advantage. A very limited player technically I always thought, horribly one sided and his touch is not really up to standard. Still very young but at a critical time in his career now. Wonder if he might make a centre forward, decent in air, good shot on him and if he hardened up a bit it might suit him.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Bren'd on December 14, 2019, 02:15:44 PM
Thanks for the tip John. I will drink more water now as a result. I get bouts occasionally after long walks. Nothing too painful but I donít want to run the risk.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: john2710 on December 14, 2019, 02:36:48 PM
Never really showed the potential that was there. If he can't get games in the Championship, what's he going to do for us.

He strikes me as a quiet lad lacking in confidence.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
Injuries disrupted him a fair bit. Looked very promising start of 17-18 and then tore his hamstring in the Norwich game he scored a good goal. Other injuries since. Obviously not good enough for the level we're now at so might have to move on and get his career going in way likes of Calum Robinson have.

Just because he's struggled in last year dosen't mean he'll be rubbish for next 10 years.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: leylandalbion on December 14, 2019, 06:10:42 PM
At PNE today, poor game and no andre in squad again.  Supporter reckon he has some sort of arthritis problem...but if that was the case surely he would be sent back? 
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 19, 2019, 03:40:02 AM
Iíve been using Green as a wing back in FIFA. As we all know itís practically real life. I suggest we turn him into a wing back when he comes back to the club.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: ROBBO on December 19, 2019, 07:31:41 AM
He has to tackle?
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: GarTomas on January 02, 2020, 11:58:43 AM
Joined Charlton on loan.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 02, 2020, 12:05:53 PM
Good luck to him. Was no point in him just sitting on the bench at Preston.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2020, 02:06:51 PM
Alex Neil's take on it.  I hope this isn't going to be another Moore brothers episode.

Andre is a good lad,Ē he told the Yorkshire Post.

ďWe brought him in hoping to get him game time and see what he could do.

"Unfortunately he found it difficult to get into the team.

ďThe start the players had to the season made it extremely difficult for him.

"Sometimes I think the more that you are not in the team the more you drift and the more difficult it becomes at that point.

"Obviously your fitness levels drop, even the motivation in terms of trying to get himself to show what he can do.

"Particularly when you are on loan, sometimes that can be be tough because you know this is not your permanent club.

"So when players are not in the team it can be a bit more difficult."

Preston currently sit one point outside the top six despite a poor festive period where they picked up just two points from a possible 12.

Early season form, including a 1-0 win over Charlton in October, made Neilís outfit real contenders for a play-off spot.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Ad@m on January 02, 2020, 02:22:42 PM
That's a pretty damning verdict on his character...
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2020, 05:15:10 PM
He's just not very good.  Definite League 1 or 2 material.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: Ad@m on January 02, 2020, 05:31:15 PM
He's just not very good.  Definite League 1 or 2 material.

I don't disagree, but Ashley Westwood and his 200+ Premier League appearances demonstrate that with the right mindset, being 'not very good' doesn't stop you playing in the big league.
Title: Re: Andre Green - on loan at PNE
Post by: dave shelley on January 02, 2020, 06:36:34 PM
He's just not very good.  Definite League 1 or 2 material.

I agree.  It's a shame though but we've carried too many not very good players over the last ten years.