Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 04, 2016, 01:17:13 PM
-
could do with a poll if a mod would like to add please
which current villa player do you dispose the most and why
usual suspects
Guzan
Richards
Lescott
Bacuna
Gabby
Grealish
Westwood
for me it has to be Richards. Came in lauded as a step up from our then current crop. Started off brightly enough but quickly faded away and has since been well and truly exposed.
In my opinion, his attitude stinks. He appears to think he is too good for us, eventhough performances would suggest otherwise. I don't think he puts in 100% effort any more, no where near it, and this is a player who is meant to be our on field captain. Personally, I would never select him again and would prefer to see Okore or even Clark selected instead
-
Gabby. Stealing a wage for the entirety of the post-money era.
-
Can't stand Guzan, Richards or Gabby.
Guzan has been terrible for 2 years so I just hate watching him line-up knowing he'll do something stupid.
Richards just strolls around, shows a distinct lack of effort and thinks he is better than the rest of them, when his technique is shocking and his only attributes strength and running power he can't be arsed to use.
Gabby is a parasite, on a ridiculous wage with an awful scoring record and is too lazy to even keep himself in the shape required to be a PL footballer, it's even more laughable as his only attribute previously was pace.
-
Gabby beats Richards by a whisker with Lescott a close 3rd.
-
Guzan is just crap. It's not his fault he is of limited ability. Richards could be better if he wasn't such a Jeremy Hunt. He chooses to play this shit. Guzan has no choice in the matter. That's why Richards is worse.
-
I voted Gabby as CNZ isn't there (I realise he's off soon anyway)
-
Surely Z'Zogbia has to be high up on that list?
£65,000 a week to do sod all for 4 years other than try and wind fans up via social media takes some balls
-
What's the point of this thread exactly?
-
No point guessing who I picked. ;D
-
What's the point of this thread exactly?
Surely it's more relevant than the usual player of the season we'd have around this time.
-
What's the point of this thread exactly?
To collectively identify the biggest ****** of all?
-
What's the point of this thread exactly?
bit of fun, curiousity, feel free not to contribute by all means
I guess Nzog and Richardson should also be on the list
-
Agbonlahor and Richards by a mile. No idea why Grealish is suggested.
-
Agbonlahor and Richards by a mile. No idea why Grealish is suggested.
Cue eddiemunster......
-
which current villa player do you dispose the most and why
If I could get rid of them that is a different matter entirely.
All of the above except Grealish.
-
Agbonlahor and Richards by a mile. No idea why Grealish is suggested.
I agree with that. He's been a stupid boy a few times, nothing more. All this talk of him being over hyped is out of order too. If he had even half decent players around him he'd look brilliant.
Anyway, I really dislike Lescott. The car thing is one reason. His overall general shitness is another. I think he's even beginning to realize that top or even medium level standard of football is beyond him.
-
I cant for the life of me understand why anyone would hate Westwood, who appears to be a quiet, hard working and unassuming proffesional with the right attitude. There are alot of twats around football but this guy signed for us without even knowing how much he was getting paid, has a young family and never seems to be seen out in clubs or dragging the clubs name through the mud.
I dont like seeing him on the teamsheet at the moment because I think his confidence is completely shot after being one of the new signings in the young and hungry cutback era, meaning he has been on the end of 4 odd years of beatings but I hope he gets a chance to start again under a new coach. Ive got a feeling he could be pivotal to the new Villa next season.
I dunno, maybe im just getting fed up with the constant negativity but I think its really bad taste that he is included on the list
-
Gabby comfortably. Richards and N'Zogbia were brought into the club. They have never had any allegiance or assumed allegiance. Gabby has played the one of us card and once he did that he will be measured on that. When he does what he does, and not just this recent incident, but just his general attitude, fitness, demeanour etc then we hate him more for it. Instead of actually being one of us and caring deeply and being the leader we needed him to be he has taken advantage of the situation, ensured his financial well being as the club he "loves" sank in to the division lower. Gabby is the perfect "I'm alright Jack" role model for selfishness and individuality. For all the things we love him for, and there is plenty, I despise him every bit as much.
-
Richards. Agbonlahor I know isn't going to be any good. Richards looks like he has everything you need to be a good defender. Maybe he has, but he's determined not to show it in a Villa shirt for reasons best known to himself.
The man is poison.
-
I can't muster the time or energy to hate any of them.
-
Bit mean to only have one vote
-
Hate? None, disappointed with? All but Westwood. He is playing as well as he can which isn't well enough.
-
It's football hate as opposed the type of proper hate reserved for convicted murderers, Paedophiles, terrorists etc etc.
-
Sunderland fans can do both.
-
Richards
-
Of all the things that have wound me up this season, Richards reply to that guy on Instagram of "what's wrong with players having a few days away after a hard season?" was the hardest to swallow. The sheer admission that the season is over already from our Captain is an utter disgrace.
-
What's the point of this thread exactly?
bit of fun, curiousity, feel free not to contribute by all means
I guess Nzog and Richardson should also be on the list
Fair enough. Just want to be cheered up rather than discussing the shiteness over the state of our squad.
-
What's the point of this thread exactly?
bit of fun, curiousity, feel free not to contribute by all means
I guess Nzog and Richardson should also be on the list
Fair enough. Just want to be cheered up rather than discussing the shiteness over the state of our squad.
In that case I'd give HD a miss and stay around Off Topic, Music or Other Sports!
-
Gabby. He takes the crown with ease, even despite the fact we've got a whole heap more tosspots in the squad who'd be worthy of such a prize. He's king toss fuck.
-
Richards for me, what a waste of space
-
Flabby for me. He is supposed to be club captain and a fan yet for the last three years he just strolls around, putting little or no energy into the cause. He somehow managed to get a contract extension, even though he was scoring less and less every season. The guy has no shame and certainly no respect for the club or the fans.
-
Richards, Gabby and Zog. Those 3 really piss me off. Lescott annoys me. Most of the others just aren't good enough, no point hating or even disliking a player just because he isn't good enough for Aston Villa. Not their fault they were signed or keep getting picked.
-
Gabby because he should know better.
-
Richards. 'Captain of Aston Villa'.
-
Please add Gill to the list.
Totally useless and has taken to practising his pantomime routine of rolling around like he's been shot virtually everytime he loses the ball - which is quite often.
-
Please add Gill to the list.
Totally useless and has taken to practising his pantomime routine of rolling around like he's been shot virtually everytime he loses the ball - which is quite often.
We would be much poorer without him though, believe it or not. Can't see him sticking around for the Championship but I hope he does.
-
Agbonlahor and Richards by a mile. No idea why Grealish is suggested.
Cue eddiemunster......
Excuse me????
-
Sorry - way too close to call for me, plus a couple of names missing
Richards, Guzan, Gabby, Bacuna, Gil, Richardson...all of 'em
-
Please add Gill to the list.
Totally useless and has taken to practising his pantomime routine of rolling around like he's been shot virtually everytime he loses the ball - which is quite often.
We would be much poorer without him though, believe it or not. Can't see him sticking around for the Championship but I hope he does.
Why?
Much like Westwood (who gets load of abuse) he doesn't do anything.
-
Might be shorter list to pick a Villa player I actually like at the moment.
-
This should be printed out and stuck on the changing room wall.
-
Don't think Grealish should be there though.
-
None of them. Struggling to like a lot of them though. Maybe Richarda for his attitude . I think Lescott is trying just too far gone legs wise.
-
It's hard to resent a bunch of losers like this lot when their bosses for the past 5 years have been losers. My resentment is aimed fairly and squarely with Lerner, he lost interest, he's also inept and alowed failure after failure, why would his staff not adopt the same attitudes? His attitude and culture of failure has set the tone for the whole club.
-
1) Gabby
2) Richards
3) Bacuna
4) Lescott / Nzog
5) Richardson / Guzan
-
Don't think Grealish or Westwood should be on the list. Grealish because he is young and only broke into the team at the end of last season, he needs patience and guidance from the more experienced pros, unfortunately we are lacking in that department. Westwood, as far as I am concerned is suffering from a lack of confidence. When he first arrived he was the most consistent passer of the ball in the team. I believe he puts in the effort and doesn't hide, ok sometimes he chooses the wrong ball but how can he pass the ball forward when there isn't a player in a forward space, He gets a lot of unfair abuse on HV
-
Has to be Gabby. Considering he is meant to be a fan he rubs our faces in it everytime he plays.
-
I don't 'hate' any of them as it's too personal, I do hate the fact that when Hutton and Richards form the right side of the defence we always concede about 4 goals .
-
I'll disagree with the Westwood view above. In my view he's hid all season. He's also not physical enough in this league as a defensive midfielder and constantly lets players run off him. I get the impression he's a good trainer and follows instructions so always gets in the squad. He'd be fine in a midfield where you have an energetic box to box midfielder alongside a big fuck off strong tackling centre mid and he can do what he does best link the play.
-
I don't 'hate' any of them as it's too personal, I do hate the fact that when Hutton and Richards form the right side of the defence we always concede about 4 goals .
That's it for me as well. I don't really hate any of them, but with the odd exception, I just think they've all been absolutely shit.
-
I haven't got the energy to hate any of them. I agree that Grealish shouldn't be on there, even though I've had my say about him it's much more about frustration than hate. I can't hate Gabby, but he should never play for us again. He's given me some brilliant moments as a villa fan, and I think for me they just about outweigh the bad, but it's getting close.
I don't actually like many of our players at all though. I heard that the only three who came to the holte end after the game to front up to the fans were Rudy, Lyden and Grealish. For me, those three deserve a bit of credit for facing the music. Hutton may have done had he not been sent off. Fair play to them.
-
Richards for me, a terrible waste of money who has brought nothing but misery to our club. I don't hate Gestede but imo he is the worst player I have ever seen at Villa by some way and he must go
-
Richards for me, a terrible waste of money who has brought nothing but misery to our club. I don't hate Gestede but imo he is the worst player I have ever seen at Villa by some way and he must go
Can't agree about Gestede He is a must keep
.He will score a hatful in the Championship like he did for Blackburn,providing Pearson or whoever plays to his strength. His attitude is ok too.
-
Football is about sticking the ball in the net at one end and making sure it doesn't go in the net at the other end.
Westwood's contribution to both of those is nil.
-
Football is about sticking the ball in the net at one end and making sure it doesn't go in the net at the other end.
Westwood's contribution to both of those is nil.
As opposed to....?
-
Richards for me, a terrible waste of money who has brought nothing but misery to our club. I don't hate Gestede but imo he is the worst player I have ever seen at Villa by some way and he must go
Can't agree about Gestede He is a must keep
.He will score a hatful in the Championship like he did for Blackburn,providing Pearson or whoever plays to his strength. His attitude is ok too.
Like I said, I don't hate Gestede and I don't doubt his attitude, he's just a very poor player. The fact that he scored loads of goals in the championship blows the myth about how hard it will be down there, the defences must be equally as poor for him to score that many
-
Richards for me, a terrible waste of money who has brought nothing but misery to our club. I don't hate Gestede but imo he is the worst player I have ever seen at Villa by some way and he must go
Can't agree about Gestede He is a must keep
.He will score a hatful in the Championship like he did for Blackburn,providing Pearson or whoever plays to his strength. His attitude is ok too.
Like I said, I don't hate Gestede and I don't doubt his attitude, he's just a very poor player. The fact that he scored loads of goals in the championship blows the myth about how hard it will be down there, the defences must be equally as poor for him to score that many
But that's where we will be playing ?????
-
With the exception of Grealish I hate all listed in almost equal measure. However, the only one that I, without fail, audible groan when I hear his name in the starting line up is Westwood. Without doubt he's the weakest member of our entire first team squad and playing two leagues above his standard.
-
'Hate' is a bit strong for me. Despise?
N'Zogbia by a long way. Of those in the list, Richards followed by Gabby. Gabby at least was one up on a time useful. Lescott a distant fourth.
The rest of them, I don't really have any dislike for them personally, I'd just like never to see Guzan, Hutton, Bacuna, Sanchez, Gestede, Crespo, Richardson or Sinclair in a Villa shirt again. The epitome of modern football. Big money for being at best very average.
The other squad members - meh - not bothered whether they stay or go really.
-
All of those listed have it in their grasp to turn their unpopularity round with the exception of Bacuna who's had to take it on the chin as the clubs official scapegoat.
N'zogbia is the only one I seriously dislike with a passion, might treat myself to a meal out and a glass of champagne on the 31st May when his contract expires.
-
Football is about sticking the ball in the net at one end and making sure it doesn't go in the net at the other end.
Westwood's contribution to both of those is nil.
I think we can take Westwood off now.
-
Gabby - should have been remembered as a Villa hero but will now just leave a sour taste forever.
Westwood tries and tries and is not up to the Premier League level - I was actually glad he got the goals on Saturday. Jack played a ball against Saints that I have been aching to see all season - an easy cut into a channel for someone to run onto. The championship could be the making of him (I hope)
-
Richards - can't abide him. From the moment he arrived and tried to convince Delph to leave he has been gobbing off in the press constantly. That and him sulking when we don't let hi play centre half (where he is absolutely shit). Oh and he is also shit at fullback.
Thankfully we should be able to get rid easily enough.
Gabby comes in a close second.
-
Gabby.
Doesn't he realise that football playing careers end and there's almost as much to do after you've stopped playing in the game these days. He's burning bridges with his hometown club and his status should be so much more than it is going to be. It's not all about how much money you have son. Really. Take a look at yourself.
-
I wouldn't have Westwood on the list, not sure what he's done other than looking pretty sub standard. NZogbia would be on my list and Okore too now. Equal worst for me would be Gabby and NZogbia.
-
And if you have a poll for the player that looks the most buffoon like and the least like a proffesional footballer I'd give it to Sanchez.
-
Richards, if one player sums us up this season its him.
He's been mugging us off since the day he walked in the door. From his selling of Citeh to Fibian, spouting off about our French signings to his ill advised trip to Dubai with our other "captain".
Dreadful player, even worse attitude. Set the tone from day one.
-
I understand Gabby being on the list and getting so many votes but I find it sad because he's the only of that motley crew who has actually contributed anything of note to this club (albeit a while ago).
-
I wouldn't have Westwood on the list, not sure what he's done other than looking pretty sub standard. NZogbia would be on my list and Okore too now. Equal worst for me would be Gabby and NZogbia.
For me Westwood sums up just how shit we are as a club. It's not his fault he's shit but the fact he's played well over 100 league games for Villa is disgraceful. He'd have been shown the door after a handful of games in any other Villa era.
Remember when the club tried to talk him up for the England squad? Jesus Christ, who were they trying to kid?
-
that list was tough, but where is lerners name??
-
This was a difficult one .I hate the attitude of Richards and Bacuna,but i would go for Flabby as he has been showing a bad attitude for a lot longer
-
I understand Gabby being on the list and getting so many votes but I find it sad because he's the only of that motley crew who has actually contributed anything of note to this club (albeit a while ago).
But that's exactly the reason why.
He's gone from "one of us" who it appeared was working hard to improve his game to someone who's become a leech.
No it's not his fault we've kept offering him stupid contracts, but it his fault he's woefully out of condition, indolent and basically gives the impression that anything to do with actually being a professional footballer is all a bit tiresome and beneath him, but any chance to stick two fingers up to the fans appears to be grabbed with almost venomous relish.
-
that list was tough, but where is lerners name??
Damn, I should have thought of that.
-
Richards for me. His poisonousness has been deliberate and premeditated. He has been the anti-French (manager and players) ringleader from the start. Lescott is just fathomlessly thick, Gabby has mental and emotional issues and is on the fast track to serial rehab via the bankruptcy courts, Guzan is an easily lead stooge who has refused to address his game faults, Bacuna is an infant adult. All the rest are the victims of no proper coaching, mentoring or care by the club.
N'Zogbia should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act, para 762, section 5, line 17 "Delusions, Botanical".
-
Richards for me. His poisonousness has been deliberate and premeditated. He has been the anti-French (manager and players) ringleader from the start. Lescott is just fathomlessly thick, Gabby has mental and emotional issues and is on the fast track to serial rehab via the bankruptcy courts, Guzan is an easily lead stooge who has refused to address his game faults, Bacuna is an infant adult. All the rest are the victims of no proper coaching, mentoring or care by the club.
N'Zogbia should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act, para 762, section 5, line 17 "Delusions, Botanical".
So you don't have an opinion Brian.
pmsl
Best post ive read for a while.
-
I've voted for Gabby because he's thrown whatever talent he had away and hasn't even had the decency to try. That said Richards is on a par with him for the reasons that Brian gave, came in thinking he was doing us a favour and he was too big for the club and has had completely the wrong attitude all season. I'd accept it (but still think he was a twat) if he'd been putting in performances but he's been, in my opinion, our worst defender this season whilst still acting like he's something special.
I've given up worrying about Nzog, I just want him gone and refuse to accept he's still at the club. Lescott is a tough one, I think he has genuinely tried at times but he's just not good enough anymore, Saturday showed how alarmingly poor he's become now that his legs have gone.
-
Who was the one who voted for Grealish? Seriously, Grealish?
-
Agbonlahor is the only one preventing Richards becoming my most hated Villa player ever, he ducked again on Saturday once again when he could have cleared the ball, he's fucking useless as well as an objectionable tosser who should be one of the first out of the door at the end of the season.
-
I really do worry about gabby and his mental state. Seeing him deteriorate over the past couple (few) years makes me question whether he is of fit mind. I seriously do worry about him. If he is...then I'm saddened.
-
Richards ''attempt'' at getting back after Bacunas impressive through ball for Long was appalling. He jogged, I think even Guzan had a go at him for it.
-
Richards ''attempt'' at getting back after Bacunas impressive through ball for Long was appalling. He jogged, I think even Guzan had a go at him for it.
Channel 6 here went back to it after they'd done the usual round up off all the goals at 6pm, just to reiterate how shocking it was. It's like he's rushed back from a different time zone.
-
Agbonlahor is the only one preventing Richards becoming my most hated Villa player ever, he ducked again on Saturday once again when he could have cleared the ball, he's fucking useless as well as an objectionable tosser who should be one of the first out of the door at the end of the season.
He really is shit isn't he? I remember at the beginning of the season a lot of people excusing him as "he was naturally right-back and adjusting to the position". Then he played at right-back for a few games and it became apparent that he was a terrible, terrible footballer.
-
I honestly thought he was a great signing when he joined, admittedly I hadn't seen him play in a long time but soon realised why we appeared to be the only club in for him.
-
The biggest job that any incoming Manager will have this summer will be to shift the deadwood. There's just so much of it. It needs to be done with maximum haste too, as we just can't have the negative influence of players like Richards, Lescott, Gabby and even Guzan, affecting any new players.
Hopefully we'll have learnt the lessons of the bomb-squad debacle and not expect to recoup too much money from these players. Nominal fees or free-transfer to aid the wage-bill would be absolutely fine with me.
-
Richards - clearly one of the leaders of the mutiny behind the scenes - has a swagger about him I would assume due to a Premiership winners medal. His comment about Garde's appointment was bordering racist. For someone as experienced as he is he has surprised me just how shit a footballer he is. We should have known by the fact when he was available no one else even looked at him.
Guzan - from one of the players of the year to a nervous, shambolic wreck takes some doing - coincides with Parkes being GK coach?
Lescott - I forgive him the United post match press conference - I think we all knew what he meant its just that he did not articulate it well. The car thingy - stupid. To be honest I give him credit a little as he must have some balls to play on Saturday with that much vitriol thrown his way.
Bacuna - I actually think there is a decent footballer in there (Maybe not Champs league standard) but decent and versatile as well. The problem I have with him is that he seemingly is unaware of the shitstorm he is in and this makes him look like he does not care.
Generally I think most of the squad are just downright average footballers and collectively it has been coming for a while
but
The winner has to be Gabby
He revelled in being the local lad, hero of the Derbies, a player that all our local rivals loved to hate and on his day was unplayable. His fall from grace cannot be down to being a bit thick, losing form etc He is too stupid to know or care how much he has hurt supporters by letting himself be led by his and others egos. He forgets that others will move on but he will be left behind
With a lot of money but no class, adulation or soul
the absolute wanker
-
The thing i hate most of all - probably even more than getting relegated is that we feel the need to compile a list like this - and just how many names are on it.
-
The biggest job that any incoming Manager will have this summer will be to shift the deadwood. There's just so much of it. It needs to be done with maximum haste too, as we just can't have the negative influence of players like Richards, Lescott, Gabby and even Guzan, affecting any new players.
Hopefully we'll have learnt the lessons of the bomb-squad debacle and not expect to recoup too much money from these players. Nominal fees or free-transfer to aid the wage-bill would be absolutely fine with me.
The problem is that it isn't a bit of deadwood that needs clearing out.
We've got a whole rain forest that's been blown over in a hurricane and spent 9 months soaking in all he shit on the floor.
-
The biggest job that any incoming Manager will have this summer will be to shift the deadwood. There's just so much of it. It needs to be done with maximum haste too, as we just can't have the negative influence of players like Richards, Lescott, Gabby and even Guzan, affecting any new players.
Hopefully we'll have learnt the lessons of the bomb-squad debacle and not expect to recoup too much money from these players. Nominal fees or free-transfer to aid the wage-bill would be absolutely fine with me.
The problem is that it isn't a bit of deadwood that needs clearing out.
We've got a whole rain forest that's been blown over in a hurricane and spent 9 months soaking in all he shit on the floor.
I think it's just more the troublemakers (who have largely been established) and the completely lost causes (primarily Guzan, and Gabby). The rest are probably still have varying levels of utility at Championship level, given some of the dross that gets served up at that level, and given how there's a great chance there won't be much recruitment done in the summer.
-
Don't know so much about deadwood I think we are awash with driftwood. I have got to the stage now where I just can't be bothered to hate any of them. None of them actually mean anything to me anymore.
-
In my head I've done it in the style of Bullseye.
'Iiiiiiiiin 1 it's that fat lazy wanker who wears silly caps Gabby Aintgonnascore. Iiiiiiiiiiin 2 and wouldn't you just love to wipe that grin off his face it's Leandro Bacuna. Iiiiiiiin 3 he's scared shitless whenever he gets the ball it Brad Guzan. Iiiiiiiin 4 he's as thick as pig shit and recently won a chewing gum competition its Joleon Lescott.
And Bully's special priiiiize, he goads fans on twatter and dresses like a massive fucktard all whilst swinding upwards of 60k a week for doing shit all it's Charles N'Zogbia.'
-
I wouldn't give them the BFH.