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Title: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 21, 2016, 04:48:03 PM
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5436530,00.html

Very well in my opinion.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: maigrait on March 21, 2016, 04:52:54 PM
Yes says all the right stuff without cheesy cliches. Fingers crossed it works out and he has a positive effect.

Thanks for posting the link.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: alan_clarke on March 21, 2016, 04:54:47 PM
I'd rather have the board we have in place now than have been taken over by a bunch of unknowns. Hollis just needs to keep Randy at arms length and let the new team get on with things!
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 21, 2016, 04:57:56 PM
Dandruff shampoo's are cheap these days David (or an unfortunate suit design) :)

Good comments though!
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 21, 2016, 04:58:15 PM
I'd rather have the board we have in place now than have been taken over by a bunch of unknowns. Hollis just needs to keep Randy at arms length and let the new team get on with things!

This is what gets overlooked sometimes - it doesn't matter who does it as long as it gets done. All that matters is that the club is run properly and if it is, the owner's name is irrelevant.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 21, 2016, 05:03:11 PM
I'd rather have the board we have in place now than have been taken over by a bunch of unknowns. Hollis just needs to keep Randy at arms length and let the new team get on with things!

This is what gets overlooked sometimes - it doesn't matter who does it as long as it gets done. All that matters is that the club is run properly and if it is, the owner's name is irrelevant.

I'd add to that, that we clearly still need Lerner's money (which, despite shouty shouts to the contrary, he's clearly been backing is with).
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 21, 2016, 05:05:53 PM
I'd rather have the board we have in place now than have been taken over by a bunch of unknowns. Hollis just needs to keep Randy at arms length and let the new team get on with things!

This is what gets overlooked sometimes - it doesn't matter who does it as long as it gets done. All that matters is that the club is run properly and if it is, the owner's name is irrelevant.
Beat me to it Mr. Woodhall and reading between the lines it's what Bernstein is saying.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 21, 2016, 05:07:56 PM
I've only just realised that Randy is now a board member, along with the General, Mervyn King, David Bernstein and chaired by Hollis.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: The Edge on March 21, 2016, 05:12:03 PM
Didn't know he was a villa fan! I like what he says. I really think that the team that has been assembled is going to take the club in the direction we all long for. This a seriously heavyweight board that has been assembled. Bring it on.
AVFC. VTID.
 
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: brian green on March 21, 2016, 05:12:25 PM
I particularly like the reference to the ride back being very exciting.  If I am spared the next will be my fourth and I can confirm it is sight better than being humiliated every week.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 21, 2016, 05:15:45 PM
Didn't know he was a villa fan!

He's not, he supports Man City but his father and uncle were Villa fans.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: john e on March 21, 2016, 05:16:00 PM
I'd rather have the board we have in place now than have been taken over by a bunch of unknowns. Hollis just needs to keep Randy at arms length and let the new team get on with things!

Randy wants to be kept at arms length, he doesn't want to get involved, he just wants someone else who is capable to do the job he doesn't want to do any more
the problem is he has made mistakes with the personal in the past and it keeps coming back on to him he just wants someone to take it off him so he can get on with what he gets on with

interfering is not what he does or wants to do
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 21, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
I particularly like the reference to the ride back being very exciting.  If I am spared the next will be my fourth and I can confirm it is sight better than being humiliated every week.

Hmm well spotted, that is a good way to look at things.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
I'd rather have the board we have in place now than have been taken over by a bunch of unknowns. Hollis just needs to keep Randy at arms length and let the new team get on with things!

This is what gets overlooked sometimes - it doesn't matter who does it as long as it gets done. All that matters is that the club is run properly and if it is, the owner's name is irrelevant.

It goes along with the argument about Randy's attendance at games. If the club was being run well, like Spurs as an example, whether Randy or in Spurs' case Joe Lewis attends or not would be irrelevant.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 21, 2016, 05:19:20 PM
Bernstein speaks very well.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 21, 2016, 05:20:38 PM
Didn't know he was a Villa supporter, assumed he was Man City.

Talks a good game, if he walks it too then great. I am quite hopeful that the new board will run things better than the feckless Fox / Lerner combo did.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 21, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
Didn't know he was a villa fan!

He's not, he supports Man City but his father and uncle were Villa fans.
So he must have Villa in his DNA. And because he was at Man City when they were in the third division we can't call him a glory hunter. :)
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Virgil Caine on March 21, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
I particularly like the reference to the ride back being very exciting.  If I am spared the next will be my fourth and I can confirm it is sight better than being humiliated every week.

Absolutely Brian- the cloud of negativity around Villa is slowly being lifted- I am sure that the recent Board level recruits are too wise to use shallow words and know that they will be rated by their actions. All positive so far and bizarrely Im looking forward already to the new season and this time being one of the Seniors of the Revolution.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Clampy on March 21, 2016, 05:23:02 PM
I know it's early days but there seems to be a nice mix to the people on the board at the moment. They all seem to be up for for the challenge as well.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: mr underhill on March 21, 2016, 05:31:45 PM
so please you lot don't undo everything by appointing Mr Nutty Nut Nutty
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: peter w on March 21, 2016, 05:32:14 PM
Not just a nice mix but a wealth of talent on the board now. if only...but here we are as we go down finally putting it right. It does feel good now behind the scenes and only those in the 60s can say how this resonates against the backdrop of revolutions and Tommy Docherty coming in. It could also put a dampener on the 74th minute and banners thing. Plus, sadly, the Lerner song. Which I love. Its been great to have a new song with a great tune that isn't just somebody else's. I'll miss it when the going gets good again.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: brian green on March 21, 2016, 05:38:03 PM
All I need personally is for Mr Bernstein never to find out that I once demolished a building with father and uncle's name on a plaque on it. 
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 21, 2016, 05:44:36 PM
Can anyone think of a manager out there that fits the Saunders mould that we could get? With this board that would make next season very interesting.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Ron Manager on March 21, 2016, 05:45:14 PM
Yes he is saying all the right things as Tom Fox did and Remi always has. Lets hope Bernstein, Steve Hollis and Mervyn King work together to get things right.

With of course advice on the footballing side from Brian Little  when it is needed.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 21, 2016, 05:45:40 PM
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Can anyone think of a manager out there that fits the Saunders mould that we could get? With this board that would make next season very interesting.

Nigel Pearson sounds a lot like him tbh.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: passport1 on March 21, 2016, 05:48:23 PM
He can talk the talk but the time to judge will be  when they make appointments. I think Inspector Clueso could have worked out who needed sacking.

I also have reservations about Krulaks return. It doesn't sound as though Randy is giving Hollis carte blanche to make decisions.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: brian green on March 21, 2016, 05:57:04 PM
If the poor man goes can we have an embargo on Pink Panther jokes please.  This Garde duration has not covered anybody at the club with much credit.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 21, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
It doesn't sound as though Randy is giving Hollis carte blanche to make decisions.

Randy is also on the board.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 21, 2016, 06:45:58 PM
Got a nice feel to it and yeah a long way to go but for the first time in a long while I'm feeling excited......
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: mr woo on March 21, 2016, 06:52:15 PM
Nice article which ticks all the 'tell the fans what they want to hear' boxes. You'd expect little else from the official club site obviously.


Cynicism apart, I am pleased we've moved away from the likes of Fox and Faulkner who may be great commercially in their respective fields, never filled me with confidence when genuine football (mainly managerial) choices had to be made.


Anyway, as they say, words are cheap, let's judge them on their actions.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 21, 2016, 06:58:54 PM
Cynicism apart, I am pleased we've moved away from the likes of Fox and Faulkner who may be great commercially in their respective fields, never filled me with confidence when genuine football (mainly managerial) choices had to be made.

Didn't Faulkner decide to leave as Lerner blocked his recommendation in May 2014 to get rid of Lambert? I can't see that type of error being made again unless Randy has some strange illness whereby he gets sexual pleasure from paying off managers whilst devaluing his business.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Legion on March 21, 2016, 07:04:29 PM
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 21, 2016, 07:08:14 PM
Good interview that.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: mr woo on March 21, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
Cynicism apart, I am pleased we've moved away from the likes of Fox and Faulkner who may be great commercially in their respective fields, never filled me with confidence when genuine football (mainly managerial) choices had to be made.

Didn't Faulkner decide to leave as Lerner blocked his recommendation in May 2014 to get rid of Lambert? I can't see that type of error being made again unless Randy has some strange illness whereby he gets sexual pleasure from paying off managers whilst devaluing his business.

I also heard (true or not) Faulkner was instrumental in recruiting TSM.


I'd have stopped taking his advice after that one too.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: walsall villain on March 21, 2016, 07:11:22 PM
He talks about a proper thought through plan....... Well that would be a vast improvement on the half baked plans we have recently gone with.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: peter w on March 21, 2016, 07:14:00 PM
Quite apt that under the Villa badge was a big 0
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: KevinGage on March 21, 2016, 07:14:38 PM


Didn't Faulkner decide to leave as Lerner blocked his recommendation in May 2014 to get rid of Lambert? I can't see that type of error being made again unless Randy has some strange illness whereby he gets sexual pleasure from paying off managers whilst devaluing his business.

That would explain a lot.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Legion on March 21, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
Part II (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5436724,00.html)
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Legion on March 21, 2016, 07:22:10 PM
Or possibly not. OS fuck-up?
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Legion on March 21, 2016, 07:24:55 PM
Temporary glitch, it seems.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Risso on March 21, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
I've only just realised that Randy is now a board member, along with the General, Mervyn King, David Bernstein and chaired by Hollis.

Lerner has been a director since be bought the club in 2006.  The only one he's only just been appointed to is Aston Villa Football Club Limited, one of the subsidiaries.  He's been a director of Reform Acquisitions, the main event, and Adton Villa Limited since July 2006.  For some reason, Robin Russell was sole director of Aston Villa Football Club Limited until Fox joined, so Lerner just replaced Russell when he left.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Legion on March 21, 2016, 07:27:14 PM
Quote
The Football Board will take control of the football side of the Club. Mervyn King and I will chair it.

Brian Little will be part of that - as well as someone we're going to recruit.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 21, 2016, 07:37:51 PM
I've only just realised that Randy is now a board member, along with the General, Mervyn King, David Bernstein and chaired by Hollis.

Lerner has been a director since be bought the club in 2006.  The only one he's only just been appointed to is Aston Villa Football Club Limited, one of the subsidiaries.  He's been a director of Reform Acquisitions, the main event, and Adton Villa Limited since July 2006.  For some reason, Robin Russell was sole director of Aston Villa Football Club Limited until Fox joined, so Lerner just replaced Russell when he left.

Cheers, Risso. I like many on here thought Randy Lerner was handing over the controls to Hollis. I never imagined he would still be involved in board decisions, I thought that was the purpose of bringing the General on, to report back to him but that's obviously not the case. The OS somehow failed to mention it.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 21, 2016, 07:41:27 PM


Let's get to the really important issue here: is that a syrup?
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: cdward on March 21, 2016, 07:55:36 PM
... Plus, sadly, the Lerner song. Which I love. Its been great to have a new song with a great tune that isn't just somebody else's. I'll miss it when the going gets good again.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Cardiff City were singing it a couple of seasons ago to Vincent Tan.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Legion on March 21, 2016, 07:57:04 PM
Wigan with Malky Mackay.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 21, 2016, 08:02:22 PM
I've only just realised that Randy is now a board member, along with the General, Mervyn King, David Bernstein and chaired by Hollis.

Lerner has been a director since be bought the club in 2006.  The only one he's only just been appointed to is Aston Villa Football Club Limited, one of the subsidiaries.  He's been a director of Reform Acquisitions, the main event, and Adton Villa Limited since July 2006.  For some reason, Robin Russell was sole director of Aston Villa Football Club Limited until Fox joined, so Lerner just replaced Russell when he left.

Cheers, Risso. I like many on here thought Randy Lerner was handing over the controls to Hollis. I never imagined he would still be involved in board decisions, I thought that was the purpose of bringing the General on, to report back to him but that's obviously not the case. The OS somehow failed to mention it.

Bernstein does say that he has been given a mandate by Lerner to get on with things, time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Ian. on March 21, 2016, 08:07:26 PM
This sounds like we have a very clever and progressive board now. We could finally have something to believe in and start enjoying football again.

Dare I say it but the it does feel exciting.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: cdward on March 21, 2016, 08:13:00 PM
Interesting that he has said we won't have a DOF, and the manager will report directly to him.
That is great news, this guy has lots of real football experience, something which has being missing from the board for too long.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 21, 2016, 08:27:18 PM
I've long taken the Ron Atkinson view on big talk. Don't tell me... show me.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 21, 2016, 08:40:32 PM
I've long taken the Ron Atkinson view on big talk. Don't tell me... show me.

Ooh, you're so masterful!
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 21, 2016, 08:43:26 PM
I've long taken the Ron Atkinson view on big talk. Don't tell me... show me.

Ooh, you're so masterful!

Why thank you very much. My dominatrix would disagree...
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Des Little on March 21, 2016, 08:49:02 PM
He'll do for me. I'm a believer!
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: exigo on March 21, 2016, 08:57:35 PM
I won't believe any of this until the Holte's singing Keep The Board.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Steve67 on March 21, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
Remi will go then if I read this interview correctly.  Root and branch change to get management grip, something Remi doesn't seem to have. We'll see.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 21, 2016, 08:59:05 PM
I've thought of a new banner. 
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 21, 2016, 09:03:29 PM
I think Hollis deserves a good deal of credit for what's happening just now...he's come in, taken stock, been absolutely honest about the "broken model" of a club he's found and acted pretty swiftly. Bernstein is clearly an excellent appointment and knows what going down a league or two, and working to back up, is all about. As brian green says, some of us have made that journey a few times and it's a hell of a lot better than being pretty shite every week...
I'd like to think that we are seeing the foundations being laid for an impressive building programme that will grow soundly over the next 10, 20 years and beyond.
As depressed as I feel about going down, and as I was at Swansea on Saturday, there is a sense of excitement now about what the summer and next season has in store for us.

UTV!
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: brian green on March 21, 2016, 09:10:45 PM
Thank you for that post Frank.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: TonyD on March 21, 2016, 09:30:21 PM
So are will still up for sale?  Is this new board a temporary measure to steady the ship and appease the fans?  I do like the look of the new board especially King and Little.  There needs to be accountability between players - manager - board.   So the manager can be supported and let go of the bad apples but also answer to the board in terms of results and performances.  Most of our managers seem to have operated in a non football unaccountable vacuum.   But again is the board foundations for the future or a sticking plaster?
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: john e on March 21, 2016, 09:56:40 PM
the new board and appointments are very important obviously for the future direction of the club

But the most important thing they will do and will ever do is appoint a manager, get that right everything's a whole lot easier get it wrong and nothing will ever be any good,
It's real as simple as that, although it's not a simple thing to get right as we all know
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Risso on March 21, 2016, 10:04:59 PM
This sounds like we have a very clever and progressive board now. We could finally have something to believe in and start enjoying football again.

Dare I say it but the it does feel exciting.

Can we wait and see if the football gets better before we enjoy the football again?!
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Ian. on March 21, 2016, 10:15:15 PM
This sounds like we have a very clever and progressive board now. We could finally have something to believe in and start enjoying football again.

Dare I say it but the it does feel exciting.

Can we wait and see if the football gets better before we enjoy the football again?!
I might be jumping the gun here! Ok we might not enjoy the football just yet, not until August...hopefully.

Mind you Exeter City were bloody good on Saturday. :)
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: OCD on March 21, 2016, 10:19:40 PM
For how long have we been saying there's not enough football knowledge on the board? Things could have been so much rosier if that had been addressed several years ago.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2016, 11:20:41 PM
The thing about appointing a manager is that none of us really know how it is going to turn out. And there are so many other factors that can help or hinder the manager being successful. We have to trust that the  board will think the entire process through. At the end of the day we won't have a choice as to who that person is and it could very well be someone who not all of us agree with. We have to have faith though even if that is the case that they have made the best possible decision, without emotion, with their collective knowledge and experience, and based on a lot more information than we have.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 21, 2016, 11:30:59 PM
The thing about appointing a manager is that none of us really know how it is going to turn out. And there are so many other factors that can help or hinder the manager being successful. We have to trust that the  board will think the entire process through. At the end of the day we won't have a choice as to who that person is and it could very well be someone who not all of us agree with. We have to have faith though even if that is the case that they have made the best possible decision, without emotion, with their collective knowledge and experience, and based on a lot more information than we have.

After the last few years you'll forgive me for not trusting the club to get anything right. I hope that things will get better, but its going to take a lot more than appointing an ex-Man City director and Brian Little onto a 'football board' to alter my default scepticism.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2016, 12:17:54 AM
The thing about appointing a manager is that none of us really know how it is going to turn out. And there are so many other factors that can help or hinder the manager being successful. We have to trust that the  board will think the entire process through. At the end of the day we won't have a choice as to who that person is and it could very well be someone who not all of us agree with. We have to have faith though even if that is the case that they have made the best possible decision, without emotion, with their collective knowledge and experience, and based on a lot more information than we have.

After the last few years you'll forgive me for not trusting the club to get anything right. I hope that things will get better, but its going to take a lot more than appointing an ex-Man City director and Brian Little onto a 'football board' to alter my default scepticism.

That's entirely your call. I'll go with the theory that we have never had this kind of board before, certainly not in my time following the club. So I'll trust their judgement on this.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Louzie0 on March 22, 2016, 12:33:55 AM
I'd like to know what Steve Stride thinks of the new Board.
I'd hope he feels optimistic for the Club in their hands.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 22, 2016, 04:07:00 AM
The statement that " We are not even fighting against relegation at the moment" or words to that effect, to me, means good bye Mr. Garde.
Bernstein could turn out to be a very very important addition, more so I believe than HWWOW, he has surely been around long enough not to do a Fox and have a list of one and also be taken in by managerial bull shit. Here's hoping the positive shoots are at last poking their head out of the dirt.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Clampy on March 22, 2016, 07:10:39 AM
The statement that " We are not even fighting against relegation at the moment" or words to that effect, to me, means good bye Mr. Garde.
Bernstein could turn out to be a very very important addition,

That first line stood out to me when I read it last night. As for Bernstein, I said the same to someone else on here recently. Bringing him in could turn out to be a very wise move.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Risso on March 22, 2016, 09:37:15 AM
The new board looks promising however a successful team will still largely depend on:
Appointing the right manager
Giving him enough funds to create a successful team
The manager buying the right players

We'll see how they get on with those soon enough I guess.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 22, 2016, 09:48:08 AM
The thing about appointing a manager is that none of us really know how it is going to turn out. And there are so many other factors that can help or hinder the manager being successful. We have to trust that the  board will think the entire process through. At the end of the day we won't have a choice as to who that person is and it could very well be someone who not all of us agree with. We have to have faith though even if that is the case that they have made the best possible decision, without emotion, with their collective knowledge and experience, and based on a lot more information than we have.

After the last few years you'll forgive me for not trusting the club to get anything right. I hope that things will get better, but its going to take a lot more than appointing an ex-Man City director and Brian Little onto a 'football board' to alter my default scepticism.

That's entirely your call. I'll go with the theory that we have never had this kind of board before, certainly not in my time following the club. So I'll trust their judgement on this.

I'm sure they're bright people and can spot a decent manager. But unless the owner commits to proper funds to support an incoming manager, not just to get us out of the Championship but compete again in the top half of the Premier League, then we'll be left scrabbling around for a second rate manager. Time will tell, there have been too many false dawns and broken promises in recent years to just take their word for it this time.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: peter w on March 22, 2016, 10:20:25 AM
Cardiff and Wigan? From European nights to relegation fights? Pfft.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Des Little on March 22, 2016, 10:42:39 AM
It sounds like we are going to get our shit together before the season ends, which gives us every chance to hit the ground running in August.  For once, the board appear to be planning ahead.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 22, 2016, 10:51:04 AM
The new board looks promising however a successful team will still largely depend on:
Appointing the right manager
Giving him enough funds to create a successful team
The manager buying the right players

We'll see how they get on with those soon enough I guess.

Agreed, it would seem highly improbable that the club would put the effort into this restructure if they were not serious about righting the wrongs. Problem is they have developed a talent for shooting themselves in the foot so nothing can be taken for granted.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 22, 2016, 12:05:53 PM
Cardiff and Wigan? From European nights to relegation fights? Pfft.

Cardiff would be an international match.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Tony Erdington on March 22, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
Some positivity there.

The bottom line , is show the manager the money, and let him spend it.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 02:03:55 PM
Some positivity there.

The bottom line , is show the manager the money, and let him spend it.

Just like Martin O...
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: DaveD on March 22, 2016, 02:33:25 PM
Some positivity there.

The bottom line , is show the manager the money, and let him spend it.

Just like Martin O...

You have to give him an adequate budget and make it very clear that that is all there is.

MON was treated like a 3 year old in a toy shop, with no concept of money. That. And that. And that. Followed by the inevitable tantrum the first time he heard the word NO.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: gpbarr on March 22, 2016, 03:12:25 PM
I like what he has said so far, but the harder battles are yet to come. I'm intrigued to see what happens with rooting out the cancer that has infected the place for years now. As others have said, jettisoning players on lucrative fixed term deals is hard when they are poor - but its a problem the board are going to have to deal with if they really want a new start, 
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 22, 2016, 06:52:23 PM
I like the cut of his gib but it's hard to be optimistic. We are haemorrhaging money and our revenue is about to be reduced. I estimate the value of our squad at around 50 pence and our worst performers are on rock star wages guaranteed for several years. The playing standard of the Championship needs to be uber shite for us to stand a chance. That's if we can recruit a manager capable of assembling personnel who can even be arsed to put in any kind of show for the cause. Depressing and worrying stuff.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 22, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
The thing about appointing a manager is that none of us really know how it is going to turn out. And there are so many other factors that can help or hinder the manager being successful. We have to trust that the  board will think the entire process through. At the end of the day we won't have a choice as to who that person is and it could very well be someone who not all of us agree with. We have to have faith though even if that is the case that they have made the best possible decision, without emotion, with their collective knowledge and experience, and based on a lot more information than we have.

Along these lines, for me, is justification for Garde starting next season with us. 

There are loads of other variables which need to be observed, measured and understood before we change the key variable: the manager.   Having Garde stay in place will allow them the time to change the others variables and then appoint a manager that better suits the new system.  The simplest example being a manager that is aligned with the philosophy of Head of Football Development (or whatever the title was).
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: john e on March 22, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
Well we have the new board and it's advisers, most on here seem to be happy with the make  of it including me
So the football bods ie Bernstien and Little will have to take stock of a Garde listen to what he had to say see what he is doing and make a judgement,
if as we think they will know a bit more about what they are doing than those who have gone before then we have to trust whatever decision they make

The difficult bit comes if they do give Garde the chop and appoint another manager who doesn't get our majority approval, ie Pearson, Bruce, Pulis, Coleman etc

Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: LeeB on March 22, 2016, 07:56:19 PM
Well we have the new board and it's advisers, most on here seem to be happy with the make  of it including me
So the football bods ie Bernstien and Little will have to take stock of a Garde listen to what he had to say see what he is doing and make a judgement,
if as we think they will know a bit more about what they are doing than those who have gone before then we have to trust whatever decision they make

The difficult bit comes if they do give Garde the chop and appoint another manager who doesn't get our majority approval, ie Pearson, Bruce, Pulis, Coleman etc



For the first time in ages I'm confident that the feelings of the supporters regarding appointments will be genuinely considered.

And given the circumstances we're in it's a more significant factor than usual, we need to be lifted for the team to stand a chance.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 08:20:06 PM
Well we have the new board and it's advisers, most on here seem to be happy with the make  of it including me
So the football bods ie Bernstien and Little will have to take stock of a Garde listen to what he had to say see what he is doing and make a judgement,
if as we think they will know a bit more about what they are doing than those who have gone before then we have to trust whatever decision they make

The difficult bit comes if they do give Garde the chop and appoint another manager who doesn't get our majority approval, ie Pearson, Bruce, Pulis, Coleman etc



For the first time in ages I'm confident that the feelings of the supporters regarding appointments will be genuinely considered.

And given the circumstances we're in it's a more significant factor than usual, we need to be lifted for the team to stand a chance.

To be honest I don't necessarily want the views of supporters to be taken into account.  With the best will in the world the majority of supporters have very little real world football experience or knowledge.  Lambert was popular choice, as was MON & Garde.  The was a huge wave of support for Solskear and numerous others who probably wouldn't have been appropriate.  I want the best man for the job, picked by an experienced forward thinking Board with real life football knowledge.  I desperately hope that is what we now have.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Anyone thinking our new board will lead us to nirvana would do well to read the interview in todays Times with Mike Ashley.

He's had a board operating at arms length with a self funding remit for a while now. It's hardly been a resounding success so far .

The thought that our reorganisation is based on the Newcastle model certainly gives me grounds for concern.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: paul_e on March 22, 2016, 10:02:17 PM
Anyone thinking our new board will lead us to nirvana would do well to read the interview in todays Times with Mike Ashley.

He's had a board operating at arms length with a self funding remit for a while now. It's hardly been a resounding success so far .

The thought that our reorganisation is based on the Newcastle model certainly gives me grounds for concern.

It's also the model that tottenham follow so, like with everything, it works if you have the right people in place.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 10:12:06 PM
As I said read the interview the parallels are uncanny.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: john e on March 22, 2016, 10:20:57 PM
Well we have the new board and it's advisers, most on here seem to be happy with the make  of it including me
So the football bods ie Bernstien and Little will have to take stock of a Garde listen to what he had to say see what he is doing and make a judgement,
if as we think they will know a bit more about what they are doing than those who have gone before then we have to trust whatever decision they make

The difficult bit comes if they do give Garde the chop and appoint another manager who doesn't get our majority approval, ie Pearson, Bruce, Pulis, Coleman etc



For the first time in ages I'm confident that the feelings of the supporters regarding appointments will be genuinely considered.

And given the circumstances we're in it's a more significant factor than usual, we need to be lifted for the team to stand a chance.

To be honest I don't necessarily want the views of supporters to be taken into account.  With the best will in the world the majority of supporters have very little real world football experience or knowledge.  Lambert was popular choice, as was MON & Garde.  The was a huge wave of support for Solskear and numerous others who probably wouldn't have been appropriate.  I want the best man for the job, picked by an experienced forward thinking Board with real life football knowledge.  I desperately hope that is what we now have.

It's pot luck with a bit of knowledge and thought thrown in on the side
it's all right saying ' I just want the best man for the job' we all do for fucks sake

every board makes good and bad appointments no matter how much experience they have,
Let's just hope the bad luck has run out for us and we call and get heads next time
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Diablo on March 23, 2016, 12:43:34 AM
The thing about appointing a manager is that none of us really know how it is going to turn out. And there are so many other factors that can help or hinder the manager being successful. We have to trust that the  board will think the entire process through. At the end of the day we won't have a choice as to who that person is and it could very well be someone who not all of us agree with. We have to have faith though even if that is the case that they have made the best possible decision, without emotion, with their collective knowledge and experience, and based on a lot more information than we have.

After the last few years you'll forgive me for not trusting the club to get anything right. I hope that things will get better, but its going to take a lot more than appointing an ex-Man City director and Brian Little onto a 'football board' to alter my default scepticism.

I agree. Whilst Bernstein admittedly says some good things, without the usual cliches, my initial impression is I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Delighted with the appointment of Brian Little I'm just extremely concerned that he's a token gesture with little or no actual power. Fingers crossed I'm wrong.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Ian. on March 23, 2016, 07:21:45 AM
What did he say to make you not want to trust him?

His track record is very good and I didn't see anything untoward in that interview. If we are after a new manager hopefully it will be a desicion from Hollis after discussions with the rest of the board and not just one man making up his mind after one interview.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: passport1 on March 23, 2016, 08:20:18 AM
I think its good that when you pass retirement age you can take up a hobby. For the great and the the good it usually takes the form of directorships. Three or four meetings a year, a good lunch and appx  £ 60k for your trouble.
 
They've got to earn a crust.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Mister E on March 23, 2016, 08:26:16 AM
Don't know whether this has already been posted, but Bernstein is interestingly stating the bleedin' obvious in this article from the Grauniad (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/21/david-bernstein-relegation-aston-villa-sell-randy-lerner)

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David Bernstein warns relegation will make Aston Villa difficult to sell 

David Bernstein (http://www.theguardian.com/football/david-bernstein) has warned that Aston Villa will now be even harder to sell as they stand on the brink of relegation.
The Villa owner, Randy Lerner, has failed to find a buyer for the club after putting it on the market (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/12/randy-lerner-aston-villa) more than two years ago.
Bernstein, the former chairman of the Football Association, was appointed to Villa’s board (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/11/brian-little-david-bernstein-aston-villa-board) this month during a shake-up.
    Tom Fox, the club’s chief executive, and the sporting director, Hendrik Almstadt, both left last week (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/15/aston-villa-hendrik-almstadt-leaves-post) during chairman Steve Hollis’s review of the club. The former governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King is also a new director (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/04/former-bank-of-england-boss-mervyn-king-joins-board-at-aston-villa) while Bernstein will head up a four-man football board to oversee the playing side of the club. Villa, bottom of the table and 12 points from safety, face relegation from the Premier League and Bernstein knows it will be a struggle to find new owners. He said: “I’m just stating the obvious, that when a club is in decline and relegation starts to be threatened it seems fairly obvious that the attraction of the Premier League – which is frankly what most owners are looking for – becomes less certain. Then there are bound to be issues about selling it.
“That seems fairly obvious but I haven’t been involved at all in the process and I don’t know who he has spoken to or not. The club must be more difficult to sell now for any decent sum than it was a year ago. I believe he [Lerner] is obviously devastated the club is where it is but he should be given great credit for a lot of terrific work he’s done over the years.”
Speculation also continues to surround Rémi Garde’s future (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/20/aston-villa-remie-garde-reign-swift-end) after Villa’s sixth successive loss following their 1-0 defeat at Swansea City (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/swansea-city-aston-villa-premier-league-match-report) on Saturday. Bernstein has held extensive talks with Garde and conceded that he was in a difficult position but was impressed with his professionalism.
He said: “I had two and a half hours with him at my home last Wednesday. He came down and I had a very good meeting with him. He is a very civilised, dedicated, professional and passionate person. I have only met him once and I’ve got a lot of respect for him already but he’s got a very tough job on.”
I applaud the addition of the experience and intellect that our reconstituted board represents. I am also angry that this did not happen 12 months' ago (or c.8 years' ago!).
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Mister E on March 23, 2016, 08:30:27 AM
I think its good that when you pass retirement age you can take up a hobby. For the great and the the good it usually takes the form of directorships. Three or four meetings a year, a good lunch and appx  £ 60k for your trouble.
 
They've got to earn a crust.

With the right people, it represents far better value than players on £60k a week (I refer the right honourable gentleman to NZog, as an example) ...
It all depends who is brought onto the board.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Tony Erdington on March 23, 2016, 09:11:18 AM
I think its good that when you pass retirement age you can take up a hobby. For the great and the the good it usually takes the form of directorships. Three or four meetings a year, a good lunch and appx  £ 60k for your trouble.
 
They've got to earn a crust.

With the right people, it represents far better value than players on £60k a week (I refer the right honourable gentleman to NZog, as an example) ...
It all depends who is brought onto the board.

is that c*** still on the books??
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Mister E on March 23, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
I think its good that when you pass retirement age you can take up a hobby. For the great and the the good it usually takes the form of directorships. Three or four meetings a year, a good lunch and appx  £ 60k for your trouble.
 
They've got to earn a crust.

With the right people, it represents far better value than players on £60k a week (I refer the right honourable gentleman to NZog, as an example) ...
It all depends who is brought onto the board.

is that c*** still on the books??
He is, and there are other examples ...
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 23, 2016, 10:51:11 AM
I think its good that when you pass retirement age you can take up a hobby. For the great and the the good it usually takes the form of directorships. Three or four meetings a year, a good lunch and appx  £ 60k for your trouble.
 
They've got to earn a crust.

With the right people, it represents far better value than players on £60k a week (I refer the right honourable gentleman to NZog, as an example) ...
It all depends who is brought onto the board.

is that c*** still on the books??
He is, and there are other examples ...

Apparently he was very good at Wigan once...
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 11:08:37 AM
I think its good that when you pass retirement age you can take up a hobby. For the great and the the good it usually takes the form of directorships. Three or four meetings a year, a good lunch and appx  £ 60k for your trouble.
 
They've got to earn a crust.

With the right people, it represents far better value than players on £60k a week (I refer the right honourable gentleman to NZog, as an example) ...
It all depends who is brought onto the board.

is that c*** still on the books??
He is, and there are other examples ...

Apparently he was very good at Wigan once...

for about 8 games
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: mr underhill on March 23, 2016, 12:32:53 PM
at least he will be gone soon -  hugely richer financially but impoverished as a footballer
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: eddiemunster on March 23, 2016, 01:29:41 PM
The trouble is, we will still have (apart from Richardson) everyone else in the First team squad, who all have at least 12 months left on their contracts.
Unfortunately, if we get rid of Garde, we'll end up with the next manager giving contracts to most, if not all of the feckers that will have got us relegated. As has been said by several posters on other threads.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on March 23, 2016, 03:28:52 PM
at least he will be gone soon -  hugely richer financially but impoverished as a footballer
I just hope if it's Nigel Pearson he gets 5 minutes with Zog before he goes. I'd pay to see that.
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: mr underhill on March 23, 2016, 03:31:22 PM
yep he'd need a fucking truckload of miracle grow to regrow the useless potplanted turd
Title: Re: David Bernstein Speaks.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 23, 2016, 03:50:25 PM
He made mention of some more imminent decisions in his interview on Monday, wonder what they are and when they will happen or whether they have had a change of heart on Remi.
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