Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on March 02, 2016, 09:37:58 AM
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I wonder what would be the interest in a supporter-led new club? If you're fed up with watching the Villa and the associated drawbacks of modern football, start your own.
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Where do I sign up?
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So long as I can get there on public transport. All non-league grounds seem to be really hard to get to from South Birmingham. I guess if they played in Aston that would work.
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To be honest I'm absolutely sick of being dragged through the mud as a Villa fan. I take no enjoyment in watching Villa and I don't bother with any other football now. I think I'd probably be up for it.
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Can I play number 9?
Seriously, as Paul says above, watching the Villa is killing enjoyment of football for me. I'd welcome something that would rekindle my enthusiasm for football.
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I'm in Dave - proximity of the games to public transport and Saturday 3pm kick offs would do it for me.
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I'll dust off my shin pads.
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Seriously what does it entail?
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No. No. No.
Jump-Ship-When-The-Seas-Get-Choppy FC?
Screw that.
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I guess this is as good a model as any:
http://www.fc-utd.co.uk/m_membership.php
Caution, may contain M*nchester.
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Sure there are a lot more but the AFC's I know about
Man Utd - born out of frustration with incoming investment - in reality a one off retro club not sure where I stand with this.
Liverpool - what started off as a protest club (everything about Liverpool FC is "protest related") is now a middle of the road non league - support very sparse - moving around from ground to ground currently playing at Marine in Crosby which is for all intense and purposes a bit of an Everton area.
Chester - out of necessity club had folded and had to be reborn.
Telford - like Chester if I am not mistaken.
Not sure of any benefit! If you are that desperate for your football fix and Villa has knarked you off that much well there are hundreds of non league clubs dotting around.
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Seriously what does it entail?
No idea. I'm not saying it should happen, but rather would there be any support for it?
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Not for me, Brian.
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there are hundreds of non league clubs dotting around.
None in easy striking distance of south Birmingham. It's something I have looked into. Blues, WBA and Villa are all easy to get to, I was just fortunate to be Villa. I have thought about getting into non-league on several occasions perhaps a club born out of the demise of AVFC might be the way forward.
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Not for me, I love Aston Villa, I just despise the cretins, fools and free loaders involved with the footballing side at the moment.
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there are hundreds of non league clubs dotting around.
None in easy striking distance of south Birmingham. It's something I have looked into. Blues, WBA and Villa are all easy to get to, I was just fortunate to be Villa. I have thought about getting into non-league on several occasions perhaps a club born out of the demise of AVFC might be the way forward.
Depends where you are in South Brum, I lived in Bartley Green for a while and even they had a team, Northfield and Halesowen were pretty close as well and have teams. There's probably more that I can't think of right now.
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Can you imagine it? There'd be about six different clubs from this forum alone. More still from other forums we don't like. Then there'd be a load from non-forum-using Villa fans who can't agree on anything. We'd end up with about 30 iterations of Aston Villa. Knowing our luck, they'd all be shit.
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Anything to rekindle my interest in football. Everything about it at the moment I'm beginning to hate.
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Have to disagree with this suggestion - the name "Aston Villa" needs to be rescued - we need to stay and fight to get it back.
As others have said we couldn't agree on a protest so what hope would we have putting a team out.
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A club for people who walk away from something they love when the going gets tough?
No that doesn't appeal to me thanks.
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As long as the name isn't too similar to FC United of Manchester, I like the idea. Just "FC Aston Villa" or "The Villa FC" would be the kind of names I'd go for. Something that doesn't echo what other clubs have done.
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there are hundreds of non league clubs dotting around.
None in easy striking distance of south Birmingham. It's something I have looked into. Blues, WBA and Villa are all easy to get to, I was just fortunate to be Villa. I have thought about getting into non-league on several occasions perhaps a club born out of the demise of AVFC might be the way forward.
If you get the x-city line to VP just stay on it for a few more stops and go to watch Sutton Coldfield Town. Nice little ground where you can drink your pint pitchside.
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Not for me, I love Aston Villa, I just despise the cretins, fools and free loaders involved with the footballing side at the moment.
Me too. Despite how bad things currently are, I love the club and still get a buzz from going to Villa Park on matchday. I am just hoping that this is a temporary blip in our long history and that good times will soon be round the corner again.
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there are hundreds of non league clubs dotting around.
None in easy striking distance of south Birmingham. It's something I have looked into. Blues, WBA and Villa are all easy to get to, I was just fortunate to be Villa. I have thought about getting into non-league on several occasions perhaps a club born out of the demise of AVFC might be the way forward.
If you get the x-city line to VP just stay on it for a few more stops and go to watch Sutton Coldfield Town. Nice little ground where you can drink your pint pitchside.
There's plenty of clubs on the south side. Northfield Town have a good set-up and a decent clubhouse, Highgate and a few others along Tythe Barn Lane, plus a few such as Knowle, Hampton and Earlswood if you're near Solihull although you might need to drive to some of them as public transport is limited.
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I wonder what would be the interest in a supporter-led new club? If you're fed up with watching the Villa and the associated drawbacks of modern football, start your own.
Not for me. There is only one Aston Villa for me come what may.
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See I'd still support Villa even if a non-league team was set up. It'd just be nice to have a team that hadn't had it soul ripped out by the footballing greed, and a team who might be competitive at their level.
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At some point in the future Villa won't be as shit as this.
Maybe Lerner will sell up to someone who has a clue how to run the football affairs of a football club. Maybe our next manager will be someone who is capable of both inspiring a team, tactical competency, and the ability to develop players.
I'm hoping this will all start next season, or maybe the season after that, or hopefully during my lifetime.
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There's plenty of non-league / lower league clubs to go and watch without forming another one.
However, if some multi-billionaire wants to buy Barcelona, rename the team and move them to a new stadium just off the M5; I'd be all in favour of that
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A club for people who walk away from something they love when the going gets tough?
General Krulak would be an ideal chairman.
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As long as the name isn't too similar to FC United of Manchester, I like the idea. Just "FC Aston Villa" or "The Villa FC" would be the kind of names I'd go for. Something that doesn't echo what other clubs have done.
Perry Barr Pets
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All these people in a rush to have a non-league club. Patience people, we'll get there in due course.
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https://www.facebook.com/FCVillaAston/?fref=ts
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How much does the yank want for the club? Would it be possible to set up a trust/vehicle/forum, with subscribing members to get the finance together to buy the club? A football club, owned by the members.
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Would it be possible to set up a trust/vehicle/forum, with subscribing members to get the finance together to buy the club? A football club, owned by the members.
No.
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Would it be possible to set up a trust/vehicle/forum, with subscribing members to get the finance together to buy the club? A football club, owned by the members.
No.
Possible, yes. Feasible, no.
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A club for people who walk away from something they love when the going gets tough?
No that doesn't appeal to me thanks.
Precisely.
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Would it be possible to set up a trust/vehicle/forum, with subscribing members to get the finance together to buy the club? A football club, owned by the members.
No.
Possible, yes. Feasible, no.
It seems to me that the only people interested in seeing the club be successful, are the only ones that have no say. It is the very opposite of the definition of a club. This is the problem with having an owner, he who pays the piper, calls the tune.
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Would we have to listen how Dave Woodhall invented the bicycle kick?
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A club for people who walk away from something they love when the going gets tough?
No that doesn't appeal to me thanks.
Precisely.
For many I bet it's not just about Villa though, it's about professional football/Premier League football in general.
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Oh dear..the Mail are going to have a field day when they see this.
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Oh dear..the Mail are going to have a field day when they see this.
Breakaway Clubs Cause Cancer?
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A club for people who walk away from something they love when the going gets tough?
No that doesn't appeal to me thanks.
Fickle FC
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As is says in the words of the song..."I'm Villa 'til I die". And by that I mean Aston Villa FC founded 1874.
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FC United came across the Pennines a couple of weeks' ago and got stuffed 5-0 by the mighty Harrogate Town.
It's no road to salvation ...
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I will only ever be interested in Aston Villa FC.
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All these people in a rush to have a non-league club. Patience people, we'll get there in due course.
With every successive relegation we'd become younger, happier and more enthused. Eventually there'd be just a small boy in a perfect claret and blue shirt on a park pitch.
Christopher Nolan's interested.
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So long as I can get there on public transport. All non-league grounds seem to be really hard to get to from South Birmingham. I guess if they played in Aston that would work.
I would have thought Perry hall Park at Perry Barr would be a natural location give our roots over there. Plenty of ground too.
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All these people in a rush to have a non-league club. Patience people, we'll get there in due course.
With every successive relegation we'd become younger, happier and more enthused. Eventually there'd be just a small boy in a perfect claret and blue shirt on a park pitch.
Christopher Nolan's interested.
Sir Jimmy Savile is stirring in his grave.
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Seeing as we'd currently struggle to beat a pub team- maybe Crown & Cushion FC? We might be able to talk the landlord into sponsoring the cheap bukta shirts and send someone out with a few sliced up oranges at half time and a slab of carling for after the match, if everyone promises to go back there afterwards.
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Things are shite but we're only getting relegated, not closed down. No need to start a new football club for this! Villa 'till we die.
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It wouldn't be a "road to salvation" and it wouldn't be for everyone. And Aston Villa FC won't collapse and die leaving no alternative.
What an FC Villa would be is an alternative for those who are disillusioned with paying stupid money for a sub-standard product and maybe another team to get behind.
You can ignore the two obvious AFC models in Wimbledon and FC United, the former was born of necessity and the latter was a protest against Man Utd's owners but has gathered a momentum of it's own unlike any other "protest" club.
The club to look at if this ever did happen is AFC Liverpool, born not as a protest against Liverpool FC per se, but formed by a group of fans pissed off with being priced out of weekly football. Currently they are getting crowds of about 150 or so in the North West Counties League, so no great shakes but a club that play in red, are called Liverpool and only cost a fiver to go and watch on a Saturday rather than £50.
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As is says in the words of the song..."I'm Villa 'til I die". And by that I mean Aston Villa FC founded 1874.
Let's hope it's not "Villa till it dies".
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Yes I don't think supporting a non-league version of Villa means renouncing your support of Aston Villa. It's two separate things.
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Yes I don't think supporting a non-league version of Villa means renouncing your support of Aston Villa. It's two separate things.
What if they draw each other in the cup? Would be ironic if the first time Villa lose to a non-league club was to happen when they're playing against themselves.
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Yes I don't think supporting a non-league version of Villa means renouncing your support of Aston Villa. It's two separate things.
What if they draw each other in the cup? Would be ironic if the first time Villa lose to a non-league club was to happen when they're playing against themselves.
I think I'd always support the original Aston Villa first, but it'd be nice to have a Villa team who might have a chance of winning!
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Yes I don't think supporting a non-league version of Villa means renouncing your support of Aston Villa. It's two separate things.
What if they draw each other in the cup? Would be ironic if the first time Villa lose to a non-league club was to happen when they're playing against themselves.
I think I'd always support the original Aston Villa first, but it'd be nice to have a Villa team who might have a chance of winning!
I'm fickle, I'll go with whichever is more likely to win the cup
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Yes I don't think supporting a non-league version of Villa means renouncing your support of Aston Villa. It's two separate things.
What if they draw each other in the cup? Would be ironic if the first time Villa lose to a non-league club was to happen when they're playing against themselves.
Sorry mate, when I first read the above I thought you said "playing with themselves" and I was going to agree as they are a bunch of wankers.
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So long as I can get there on public transport. All non-league grounds seem to be really hard to get to from South Birmingham. I guess if they played in Aston that would work.
I would have thought Perry hall Park at Perry Barr would be a natural location give our roots over there. Plenty of ground too.
There is room for a pitch behind Aston Hall - we could have games on same day as the "old" Aston Villa - and then we'd have an alternative to watch when we walk out.
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Would we have to listen how Dave Woodhall invented the bicycle kick?
Very good
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Would we have to listen how Dave Woodhall invented the bicycle kick?
Very good
Seriously what does it entail?
No idea. I'm not saying it should happen, but rather would there be any support for it?
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I'd only support the idea in the circumstances that the real Villa went bust or were relocated somewhere stupid.
Even then I wouldn't want a name which is derivative of Wimbledon or FCscUM.
"Aston Villa 1874" would be a decent name.
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For me this would be like watching a tribute act at the Hunters Moon than seeing the original article at the NEC.
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There's plenty of non-league / lower league clubs to go and watch without forming another one.
However, if some multi-billionaire wants to buy Barcelona, rename the team and move them to a new stadium just off the M5; I'd be all in favour of that
This is my general attitude when it comes to the idea of forming new, supporter led clubs. I understand it's a totally different proposition if your club ceases to exist or does a Wimbledon, but forming a new club because you don't like the current owner seems a little extreme. It's not as if these people are going to be here forever.
I fully understand and share people's frustrations with modern top level football - the affinity I have developed with Stourbridge this season has provided me with far more enjoyment than an afternoon at Villa Park has for quite some time. Aston Villa though are, for better or for worse, a top level football club. We should and will likely always be, despite our current custodians best efforts, a top level football club, playing within the upper reaches of the English game. I feel that if people wish to take the fully understandable decision of dedicating their time, money and effort to watching football at a lower level then surely there are many fine clubs within reasonable geographic proximity that could be followed without having to form a new club and trying to 'make it Aston Villa'.
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For me this would be like watching a tribute act at the Hunters Moon than seeing the original article at the NEC.
I'm beginning to warm to this new club idea.
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Not sure if we have enough interest among our congregation to make this work. The None League days are always popular though and we can almost always guarantee we'll have a spare Saturday every FA Cup 5th Round to hold open days and get more people down to watch the alternative Villa.
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Good idea Bottom Right - Alternative Villa Football Club sounds great.
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Yes I don't think supporting a non-league version of Villa means renouncing your support of Aston Villa. It's two separate things.
What if they draw each other in the cup? Would be ironic if the first time Villa lose to a non-league club was to happen when they're playing against themselves.
I think I'd always support the original Aston Villa first, but it'd be nice to have a Villa team who might have a chance of winning!
Villa Reserves, didn't they do the first team 3-0 last week?
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Plenty of non-league clubs about that would welcome the gate money if you're pissed off with going to Villa.
No need for another one. Its a no from me.
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If I fancy a non-league game I go to Stourbridge where I feel like my gate money makes a difference and enjoy being able to have a beer in the stands. A non-league team doesn't need to be all Villa fans for me, think it would feel a bit hollow and like a protest if it was, and difficult for Villa still not to be people's primary concern.
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Plenty of non-league clubs about that would welcome the gate money if you're pissed off with going to Villa.
No need for another one. Its a no from me.
I used to say that but there are many fans who don't want to follow a current non-league club that they have no affinity to but would follow a club that they have a registered interest in.
It is also noticeable that the few AFC's in existence at the moment do not seem to have taken fans away from other local non-league clubs, in fact the interest some of these fans have now got in the grassroots game has seen them go to other local games when their club isn't playing.
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No no no. There's is only one Aston Villa and we need to preserve that so just wait for these arse holes to fuvck off and then we can start again. VTID.
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Why not indeed but under no circumstances should the name be modelled on anything connected to M** U**.
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I am in. As long as I can be on the board.
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Sounds too much like FC United. A load of bored glory hunters who took their ball back when it didn't suit them anymore.
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For me non league football should be left to non league football clubs.
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I'm a share holder in FC United. I was impressed with how they went about things and thought it might be a good investment for my son. I looked into AFC Wimbledon as its only 15 minute walk away but the share option thingy had finished.