Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chico Hamilton III on February 10, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
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Anyone seen this?
Looks ok but it's going to have to have better photos than The Weir and the Wonderful and better content than Children of the Revolution if it's going to be a classic.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/722227070/the-big-aston-villa-book-of-the-seventies
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I bought something from the club shop Saturday and was given a postcard with this on the front and info on the back about the book so the club must be supporting it.
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I was given the same card as PWS in the pub after the game. As Chico says it has all been covered well in the past although they do claim to have unearthed photos not seen before. I get the impression it will be more of a reference book rather than one to sit and read.
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Whatever happened to that 'retro' fanzine that somebody or other was shouting loudly about needing contributors for a couple of years ago?
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The one? Wit the horific spellin n grammer u mean!
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The one? Wit the horific spellin n grammer u mean!
Possiblie.
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They were right robbing bastards. Someone took out a subscription for me when it was announced and I got a couple of issues and loads of excuses whenever I emailed them about other issues. It was utter shit as well although my mate didn't know it would be at the time obviously, but out of principal I tried to get what had been paid for in advance, I was never sent another issue though.
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What fanzine ?
Do we have one
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What fanzine ?
Do we have one
Is that the programme?
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Ha ha
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"Children of the Revolution" will be difficult to surpass.
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"Children of the Revolution" will be difficult to surpass.
Impossible.
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Surely the 80's are ripe for a comprehensive tome? From top to bottom and (second from) top again. Even Mr Woodhall has left the era untouched apart from the title winning season I think.
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Surely the 80's are ripe for a comprehensive tome? From top to bottom and (second from) top again. Even Mr Woodhall has left the era untouched apart from the title winning season I think.
Covered, although not in-depth like COTR, in Dave's Astonian Odyssey book.
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Surely the 80's are ripe for a comprehensive tome? From top to bottom and (second from) top again. Even Mr Woodhall has left the era untouched apart from the title winning season I think.
Covered, although not in-depth like COTR, in Dave's Astonian Odyssey book.
I have that but can't remember the period it covers, it's to the (then) present day, I think?
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IIRC it covers 25 years, something like '77-2002.
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IIRC it covers 25 years, something like '77-2002.
Promotion in 1975 to 2001-02.
An eighties version of CotR has often been talked about but the trouble is that there were two great years at the start that have been done to death, a good one at the end and the rest is just depressing. There's nothing like the sort of nostalgia for the period that there is for the seventies.
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IIRC it covers 25 years, something like '77-2002.
Promotion in 1975 to 2001-02.
An eighties version of CotR has often been talked about but the trouble is that there were two great years at the start that have been done to death, a good one at the end and the rest is just depressing. There's nothing like the sort of nostalgia for the period that there is for the seventies.
1977 best year ever for me, for the memories,i know it got even better,but I lost something that year too
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IIRC it covers 25 years, something like '77-2002.
Promotion in 1975 to 2001-02.
An eighties version of CotR has often been talked about but the trouble is that there were two great years at the start that have been done to death, a good one at the end and the rest is just depressing. There's nothing like the sort of nostalgia for the period that there is for the seventies.
I was close!
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I bought something from the club shop Saturday and was given a postcard with this on the front and info on the back about the book so the club must be supporting it.
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That photo looks like I could have been there standing right at the top of the Witton. Mind you it would have to have been 1961-65.
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I bought something from the club shop Saturday and was given a postcard with this on the front and info on the back about the book so the club must be supporting it.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/285/598/beb9cabe509c240bbf92ab2a4699e9c3_original.jpg?v=1454347210&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bfaf79b685e5480538216592af7df4b9)
That photo looks like I could have been there standing right at the top of the Witton. Mind you it would have to have been 1961-65.
Looks early 70s to me, certainly post 68/69. Up until that point the bench were literally benches on the Witton Lane side. This picture has a dug out, seats in the lower Trinity and that little white box above the tunnel I think was for the stadium announcer.
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Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
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I bought something from the club shop Saturday and was given a postcard with this on the front and info on the back about the book so the club must be supporting it.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/285/598/beb9cabe509c240bbf92ab2a4699e9c3_original.jpg?v=1454347210&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bfaf79b685e5480538216592af7df4b9)
That photo looks like I could have been there standing right at the top of the Witton. Mind you it would have to have been 1961-65.
That's Jim Cumbes in goal.
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Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
Rioch, Turnbull, Aitken, Hamilton, Curtis, Findlay, Vowden, Cumbes, Graydon, Lochead, Tyler, Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rudge, Bradley. - not 100% sure about Findlay and Rudge
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Forgot Pat Mac 4th down
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Is it not Ian Ross instead of Evans
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Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
Rioch, Turnbull, Aitken, Hamilton, Curtis, Findlay, Vowden, Cumbes, Graydon, Lochead, Tyler, Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rudge, Bradley. - not 100% sure about Findlay and Rudge
Good effort but you've missed Ian Ross and mistaken Harry Gregory for Jimmy Brown, and I'm pretty sure that Jake Findlay isn't in the photo, although I've no idea who that guy is.
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I bought something from the club shop Saturday and was given a postcard with this on the front and info on the back about the book so the club must be supporting it.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/285/598/beb9cabe509c240bbf92ab2a4699e9c3_original.jpg?v=1454347210&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bfaf79b685e5480538216592af7df4b9)
That photo looks like I could have been there standing right at the top of the Witton. Mind you it would have to have been 1961-65.
That's Jim Cumbes in goal.
I would guess 71 or 72. I can't remember when the Vice Presidents' lounge under the Trinity was replaced by boxes, but it no earlier than the 71-2 season and probably no later. I'm not sure whether the lower trinity is seated, the aisles don't look well enough defined. It's a big crowd, maybe the second 0-0 against Walsall. I cant remember if they wore their red shorts or not, or of the evenings had enough light at that time of year.
Is it Jimmy Brown or Harry Gregory? I'd go for about the same time for the players photograph.
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Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
Rioch, Turnbull, Aitken, Hamilton, Curtis, Findlay, Vowden, Cumbes, Graydon, Lochead, Tyler, Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rudge, Bradley. - not 100% sure about Findlay and Rudge
Good effort but you've missed Ian Ross and mistaken Harry Gregory for Jimmy Brown, and I'm pretty sure that Jake Findlay isn't in the photo, although I've no idea who that guy is.
I don't think the last but one is Dave Rudge. I reckon it could be Barrie Lynch. The real tough one is the guy between Curtis and Vowden, could it be Tommy Hughes ?
Also, Bruce Rioch appears to be the one player in a suit and tie.
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I'm looking forward to it when it comes out should be a good book to have in my collection.
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Is the guy between Curtis and Vowden, goalkeeper John Phillips?
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Phillips had left by then.
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Without checking I could name most, not sure on one at the back being Graydon/Dave Gibson (Photo too small to judge).
Also second right unsure, is it Martin?. Its not my era so I could be wrong.
I thought the player between Curtis and Vowden might be Neil Rioch or Lew Chatterley, didn’t one or both of them grow their hair at one Point?
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My guess was the one between Vowden and Curtis was Neil Rioch.
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The guy between Curtis and Vowden is definitely Tommy Hughes. Interesting that there is no Chris Nicholl. He and Ian Ross joined the club within a matter of weeks of each other. The chap between Willie and Keith Bradley looks very much like Barry Lynch.
I always thought Geoff Vowden looked a bit like John Cleese.
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Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
Rioch, Turnbull, Aitken, Hamilton, Curtis, Findlay, Vowden, Cumbes, Graydon, Lochead, Tyler, Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rudge, Bradley. - not 100% sure about Findlay and Rudge
Good effort but you've missed Ian Ross and mistaken Harry Gregory for Jimmy Brown, and I'm pretty sure that Jake Findlay isn't in the photo, although I've no idea who that guy is.
Like most people here, the difficult one is the player between Curtis and Vowden and, while he doesn't look much like how I remember him, I think it must be Neil Rioch. I'm getting there more by process of elimination rather than anything else, but he came to the club with his brother Bruce, and Chico and Pat MacMahon, in the summer before the Tommy Doc/Vic Crowe relegation season of 1970/71. I reckon this photo is taken before the 1972/73 promotion season and this means before people like Ian Ross and Chris Nicholl joined the Villa. I think they joined us mid-season and my hunch, therefore, is that the fellow who looks like Ross is in fact Alun Evans; but I could be wrong. I agree on all the others though!
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It's not Neil Rioch, and that looks like Ian Ross not Alun Evans, who joined in the summer of 1972, after we'd won promotion.
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I bought something from the club shop Saturday and was given a postcard with this on the front and info on the back about the book so the club must be supporting it.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/285/598/beb9cabe509c240bbf92ab2a4699e9c3_original.jpg?v=1454347210&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bfaf79b685e5480538216592af7df4b9)
That photo looks like I could have been there standing right at the top of the Witton. Mind you it would have to have been 1961-65.
That's Jim Cumbes in goal.
I would guess 71 or 72. I can't remember when the Vice Presidents' lounge under the Trinity was replaced by boxes, but it no earlier than the 71-2 season and probably no later. I'm not sure whether the lower trinity is seated, the aisles don't look well enough defined. It's a big crowd, maybe the second 0-0 against Walsall. I cant remember if they wore their red shorts or not, or of the evenings had enough light at that time of year.
Is it Jimmy Brown or Harry Gregory? I'd go for about the same time for the players photograph.
I think it is Cumbes in goal too. I reckon the Trinity enclosure is definitely seated - can't recall when thins happened but I don't think it happened while we were in decision 3, probably 1973?
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Forgot Pat Mac 4th down
Infidel!
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Does anybody have a spare copy of COTR, they'd care to sell to me? I've read Chico's copy, but never got round to buying my own. I understand it's out of print now? Please Pm me if you can help out. cheers.
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Wasn't the Trinity enclosure made all seater for the World Cup in 1966? I can't remember it being standing and I first went in 1971.
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Wasn't the Trinity enclosure made all seater for the World Cup in 1966? I can't remember it being standing and I first went in 1971.
Seating was fitted in summer 1971, according to Inglis
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Wasn't the Trinity enclosure made all seater for the World Cup in 1966? I can't remember it being standing and I first went in 1971.
No. I started going in 66/7 and it was still standing and stayed that way at least until end of 69/70 and maybe a little longer. When the seats were first put in, were they blue from the start ? We didn't used to call it the Lower Trinity, you said the blue seats.
Upper Trinity, solid wooden painted black. Witton stand, wooden slatted seats in a medium oak colour. Lower Trinity, blue plastic.
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Wasn't the Trinity enclosure made all seater for the World Cup in 1966? I can't remember it being standing and I first went in 1971.
Seating was fitted in summer 1971, according to Inglis
Yes, my first visit to VP was December 66 and I stood in Lower Trinity.
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This was Villa Park ready for the 1966 World Cup. Witton Lane stand had been rebuilt all seater, temporary bench seating was installed at the Witton End just for the three games played.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/18/article-1184238-008C449600000258-614_468x313.jpg)
Confirmation that the Trinity enclosure was still terraced for the World Cup.
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7/6 to watch a World Cup match, that 37 1/2p kids.
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I would guess 71 or 72. I can't remember when the Vice Presidents' lounge under the Trinity was replaced by boxes, but it no earlier than the 71-2 season and probably no later. I'm not sure whether the lower trinity is seated, the aisles don't look well enough defined. It's a big crowd, maybe the second 0-0 against Walsall. I cant remember if they wore their red shorts or not, or of the evenings had enough light at that time of year.
Is it Jimmy Brown or Harry Gregory? I'd go for about the same time for the players photograph.
I think it is Cumbes in goal too. I reckon the Trinity enclosure is definitely seated - can't recall when thins happened but I don't think it happened while we were in decision 3, probably 1973?
Looking at the photo again they do look seated comapred to those standing nearby in the Holte. I can't remember when the seats/benches were put in but from what is said above it was at the start of the second season in Div 3. Exec boxes were added before we got back to Div 1 but I can't remember exactly which year there either. It's a big crowd, filling all the seating usually meant 40k plus.
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I bought something from the club shop Saturday and was given a postcard with this on the front and info on the back about the book so the club must be supporting it.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/285/598/beb9cabe509c240bbf92ab2a4699e9c3_original.jpg?v=1454347210&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=bfaf79b685e5480538216592af7df4b9)
That photo looks like I could have been there standing right at the top of the Witton. Mind you it would have to have been 1961-65.
That's Jim Cumbes in goal.
I would guess 71 or 72. I can't remember when the Vice Presidents' lounge under the Trinity was replaced by boxes, but it no earlier than the 71-2 season and probably no later. I'm not sure whether the lower trinity is seated, the aisles don't look well enough defined. It's a big crowd, maybe the second 0-0 against Walsall. I cant remember if they wore their red shorts or not, or of the evenings had enough light at that time of year.
Is it Jimmy Brown or Harry Gregory? I'd go for about the same time for the players photograph.
I think it is Cumbes in goal too. I reckon the Trinity enclosure is definitely seated - can't recall when thins happened but I don't think it happened while we were in decision 3, probably 1973?
Looking at similar pictures online and looking at the oppose kit I was thinking that is the York match from 71 72, although that attendance was 26k and there look like there might be more there. Walsall had 46k but their kit that year was white shirts red shoes white socks so no reason for them were white shorts.
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Evidently there are some older gentlemen on H&V!
Anyone care to own up to being the oldest?
I'm a youngster of 61.
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Update - I think now it was the Swansea match in 1972 (from looking at programme cover of the following home match)
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Most of my first season in 68 as a 7 year old was standing in the trinity road just to the side of the dug out but can't remember when seats was fitted
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The Lower Trinity was still standing for the Man Utd League Cup semi-final.
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Brilliant photos PWS. My first trips to Villa Park were in the Trinity and for a long time it was a unique stand that was a colossal source of pride. To me Villa park has never been the same since 2000 when it was demolished.
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Can' t wait for the book to come out. Saying that I have yet to read the 3rd Division book cover to cover.
By the way has anyone got a copy of the First 100 years by Peter Morris? Mine has somehow gone walkies when I moved home.
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Brilliant photos PWS. My first trips to Villa Park were in the Trinity and for a long time it was a unique stand that was a colossal source of pride. To me Villa park has never been the same since 2000 when it was demolished.
Everyone loves Villa Park, old traditional stadium and all that
When in reality it's like Triggers broom,
There is not one stand that remains since the mid 70's when I first went
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Can' t wait for the book to come out. Saying that I have yet to read the 3rd Division book cover to cover.
By the way has anyone got a copy of the First 100 years by Peter Morris? Mine has somehow gone walkies when I moved home.
They pop up occasionally on ebay. It's a wonderful book, albeit a bit dated.
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Without doubt the immediate area outside of Villa Park has fallen into rack and ruin - as for the ground this sounds odd- it has improved but not to our taste.
I would say at times the atmosphere is still there (occasionally). Still love some of the facade but it ist the Villa that I grew up and loved.
The Holte was well the Holte everyone with their favourite viewing spec. Got ruined with the fence towards the end of the 70's decade.
The Witton End was "the alternative" again not the best in structure but it was our Witton End. The North Stand built on it is good in many ways and no doubt took into consideration the less terrace, more seating aspect like Old Trafford. It doesn't really sit right though, although I cannot explain it.
The old Witton Lane stand was our stand, the replacement build looks by itself good although fails to blend in well with the rest of the ground.
As for the Trinity Road - could go on forever. The stand if anywhere else would be a great addition to our famous ground but hate the way our history has been demolished for the sake of the build. My comparison would be the old and new Jaguar car.
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Except that the old Jaguar car was so out of touch it was killing the Jaguar marque whereas the new one looks like providing it with a lifeline.
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Update - I think now it was the Swansea match in 1972 (from looking at programme cover of the following home match)
Funny what you remember isn't it?
I'm thinking it's Swansea wearing white, white, red
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I think the missing player is Mick Hoban, he went to the States soon after to play in the NASL, still there today as a top guy in Nike I believe.
Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
Rioch, Turnbull, Aitken, Hamilton, Curtis, Findlay, Vowden, Cumbes, Graydon, Lochead, Tyler, Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rudge, Bradley. - not 100% sure about Findlay and Rudge
Good effort but you've missed Ian Ross and mistaken Harry Gregory for Jimmy Brown, and I'm pretty sure that Jake Findlay isn't in the photo, although I've no idea who that guy is.
Like most people here, the difficult one is the player between Curtis and Vowden and, while he doesn't look much like how I remember him, I think it must be Neil Rioch. I'm getting there more by process of elimination rather than anything else, but he came to the club with his brother Bruce, and Chico and Pat MacMahon, in the summer before the Tommy Doc/Vic Crowe relegation season of 1970/71. I reckon this photo is taken before the 1972/73 promotion season and this means before people like Ian Ross and Chris Nicholl joined the Villa. I think they joined us mid-season and my hunch, therefore, is that the fellow who looks like Ross is in fact Alun Evans; but I could be wrong. I agree on all the others though!
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I think the missing player is Mick Hoban, he went to the States soon after to play in the NASL, still there today as a top guy in Nike I believe.
Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
Rioch, Turnbull, Aitken, Hamilton, Curtis, Findlay, Vowden, Cumbes, Graydon, Lochead, Tyler, Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rudge, Bradley. - not 100% sure about Findlay and Rudge
Good effort but you've missed Ian Ross and mistaken Harry Gregory for Jimmy Brown, and I'm pretty sure that Jake Findlay isn't in the photo, although I've no idea who that guy is.
Like most people here, the difficult one is the player between Curtis and Vowden and, while he doesn't look much like how I remember him, I think it must be Neil Rioch. I'm getting there more by process of elimination rather than anything else, but he came to the club with his brother Bruce, and Chico and Pat MacMahon, in the summer before the Tommy Doc/Vic Crowe relegation season of 1970/71. I reckon this photo is taken before the 1972/73 promotion season and this means before people like Ian Ross and Chris Nicholl joined the Villa. I think they joined us mid-season and my hunch, therefore, is that the fellow who looks like Ross is in fact Alun Evans; but I could be wrong. I agree on all the others though!
Oscar, I think you have your seasons a year ahead of themselves. 69/70 was relegation and 71/72 was promotion.
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The nbook is now going to print for anyone interested. Happier days for Villa fans.
THE BOOK HAS GONE TO PRINT AND LAUNCHES ON NOVEMBER 5TH AT VILLA PARK
This much anticipated book has (finally) gone to print, with a launch event being planned at Villa Park on November 5th – full details are currently being finalised with the Club and will be e-mailed to you (by us) in the next week to ten days. Many of the Aston Villa 1975 League Cup winning side will be at the event to sign your books.
If you plan to attend the book launch, we will arrange for your pre-ordered books to be there for collection, however, if you cannot make the event when the details are confirmed, the books will be couriered to you week commencing November 7th.
As mentioned above, we will be e-mailing you again when the exact timings of the Villa Park launch have been confirmed.
Thanks once again for your support with the book project, it will be stunning and well worth waiting for!
The Big Aston Villa Book
of the Seventies
The Big Villa Book of the Seventies is a 'monster' 420-page, large format, high-spec, hard back, limited print run book that contains the most comprehensive and painstakingly researched account of a hugely eventful decade – one that saw a great club rise back to the top flight of English football, with Wembley finals and European adventures along the way.
But the book celebrates more than just footballing moments – The Big Aston Villa Book of the Seventies captures the whole era too – a time during which many fans fell in love with the club, and a time when the vast Villa Park terraces were packed with likeminded souls cheering the Claret and Blue of Villa back to where they belonged.
We have unearthed hundreds of never-used or long-forgotten photographs that will be reproduced alongside a match report from every game, plus a player profile of every Villa player (with a photo), interviews with some of the stand-out players, as well as league tables and statistical information season by season.
The book has been written by Colin Abbott, the author of several excellent Villa books over the past decade, and a regular contributor to the official match-day programme and the local media.
www.legendspublishing.net/villa
There is also in-depth coverage of the pre-season matches, friendlies, testimonials, Central League, Southern Junior and FA Youth Cup matches. Until now this information hasn't been at hand in any one place.
Any books ordered now cannot have names added as the book has gone to print.
RESERVE FURTHER COPIES HERE
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I am a bit, duff
I tried to click on the link and nothing happens.
How do I order a book ?
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I am a bit, duff
I tried to click on the link and nothing happens.
How do I order a book ?
Try clicking the link again and wait for a while for it to open.
It will eventually, or it did for me anyway, but it took a couple of minuets
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That should be some read when it eventually sees the light of day - Christmas prezzie sorted I think (for the missus!).....
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I am a bit, duff
I tried to click on the link and nothing happens.
How do I order a book ?
Try clicking the link again and wait for a while for it to open.
It will eventually, or it did for me anyway, but it took a couple of minuets
Thanks
Pity I saw this late, would have loved to have had a book with my late dads name in it as a dedication, he had myself and my brothers listed in the David Goodyear and Tony Mathews book.
Some nice pictures of me as a youth in both the Weir book and the Ron Saunders scrap book.
As an egotistical bastard I can wait to see if I am in one of those thousands of previously unseen photos. Ha, Ha,
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I am a bit, duff
I tried to click on the link and nothing happens.
How do I order a book ?
Take out a second mortgage.
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1:13 on the video. Laucnhed ? Hope the book proofreading has been done.
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Brilliant photos PWS. My first trips to Villa Park were in the Trinity and for a long time it was a unique stand that was a colossal source of pride. To me Villa park has never been the same since 2000 when it was demolished.
Question for anyone who knows: was it possible to redevelop the stand in the same way Rangers redeveloped their main stand? They added a tier and a new roof and managed to keep the brick facade.
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I think the missing player is Mick Hoban, he went to the States soon after to play in the NASL, still there today as a top guy in Nike I believe.
Go on. Without any checking. Somebody name all 17.
Rioch, Turnbull, Aitken, Hamilton, Curtis, Findlay, Vowden, Cumbes, Graydon, Lochead, Tyler, Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rudge, Bradley. - not 100% sure about Findlay and Rudge
Good effort but you've missed Ian Ross and mistaken Harry Gregory for Jimmy Brown, and I'm pretty sure that Jake Findlay isn't in the photo, although I've no idea who that guy is.
Like most people here, the difficult one is the player between Curtis and Vowden and, while he doesn't look much like how I remember him, I think it must be Neil Rioch. I'm getting there more by process of elimination rather than anything else, but he came to the club with his brother Bruce, and Chico and Pat MacMahon, in the summer before the Tommy Doc/Vic Crowe relegation season of 1970/71. I reckon this photo is taken before the 1972/73 promotion season and this means before people like Ian Ross and Chris Nicholl joined the Villa. I think they joined us mid-season and my hunch, therefore, is that the fellow who looks like Ross is in fact Alun Evans; but I could be wrong. I agree on all the others though!
Oscar, I think you have your seasons a year ahead of themselves. 69/70 was relegation and 71/72 was promotion.
Andy Lochead: Not at all...the first comment was mine about Mick Hoban.
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Brilliant photos PWS. My first trips to Villa Park were in the Trinity and for a long time it was a unique stand that was a colossal source of pride. To me Villa park has never been the same since 2000 when it was demolished.
Question for anyone who knows: was it possible to redevelop the stand in the same way Rangers redeveloped their main stand? They added a tier and a new roof and managed to keep the brick facade.
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I've spoken to a few people about the old Trinity and they pretty much all say the same - it was falling down.
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Evidently there are some older gentlemen on H&V!
Anyone care to own up to being the oldest?
I'm a youngster of 61.
Older gentlemen? How very dare you! I own up to be the same age as berneboy, only just though my birthday was last week!
VTID !
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I've spoken to a few people about the old Trinity and they pretty much all say the same - it was falling down.
Thanks Dave. A great shame but makes me feel a bit better than it wasn't just knocked down for the sake of it.
I was a child so can barely remember it.
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Sounds a great book. My favourite decade as a Villa fan. The two best seasons were 74-75 & 76-77. Especially that 5-1 thrashing of Liverpool in Dec 76, remember that?
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I've no problem with knocking the old stand down. It wasn't big enough and the poles got in the way from many of the seats.
It should've been done in a far more imaginative and classy way though, keeping the lion badge and not just making it look like any old generic big stand in the country.
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Brilliant photos PWS. My first trips to Villa Park were in the Trinity and for a long time it was a unique stand that was a colossal source of pride. To me Villa park has never been the same since 2000 when it was demolished.
of course it was possible. Any engineer will tell you that pretty much anything is possible if you throw enough money at it. Obviously Doug either didn't have the money or didn't want to throw the money at it. I still can't believe the Council allowed it to be pulled down. I know it wasn't listed, but even so, you'd think someone there would have said 'hang on a minute Doug, do you really need to do this? ' it probably boiled down to cost in all likelihood. These things usually do
Question for anyone who knows: was it possible to redevelop the stand in the same way Rangers redeveloped their main stand? They added a tier and a new roof and managed to keep the brick facade.
(http://lochaberrsc.co.uk/wpimages/wp5d723f1c_05_06.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Ibrox_Bill_Struth_Main_Stand.JPG)
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The poles would have gone if they had put on a cantilever roof like at rangers (or the new trinity). An extra tier with new steel work would have been able to support the existing facade.
My guess is the shape of the site and associated constraints made it prohibitively expensive compared to the additional capacity it would provide.
I'm just gutted Doug did what he did before he did before he sold up, as it's a fair bet that Randy would've gone down the heritage protection route.
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Is the book launch still on at Villa Park on the 5th November - I understand some of the 1975 League Cup winning players will be there?
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I got a response today,
"We are delighted to announce the timings of the Big Aston Villa Book of the Seventies launch event, and the names of the players who will be attending.
They will include: Jim Cumbes, Charlie Aitken, Chris Nicholl, Frank Carrodus, Brian Little, Leighton Phillips and Sammy Morgan... plus other Seventies players to be confirmed... we also hope to have a League Cup loaned to us for the afternoon!"
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The poles would have gone if they had put on a cantilever roof like at rangers (or the new trinity). An extra tier with new steel work would have been able to support the existing facade.
My guess is the shape of the site and associated constraints made it prohibitively expensive compared to the additional capacity it would provide.
I'm just gutted Doug did what he did before he did before he sold up, as it's a fair bet that Randy would've gone down the heritage protection route.
It was rebuilt around 5 years before he sold up, wasn't it? As for the cost, considering the mess we were in by the time randy left, i'm not sure I would have trusted him to with a highly complex building restoration project of that scale
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I got a response today,
"We are delighted to announce the timings of the Big Aston Villa Book of the Seventies launch event, and the names of the players who will be attending.
They will include: Jim Cumbes, Charlie Aitken, Chris Nicholl, Frank Carrodus, Brian Little, Leighton Phillips and Sammy Morgan... plus other Seventies players to be confirmed... we also hope to have a League Cup loaned to us for the afternoon!"
Good news - is this on the 5th November? If so, I presume in the morning as we play Blackburn in the afternoon?
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The poles would have gone if they had put on a cantilever roof like at rangers (or the new trinity). An extra tier with new steel work would have been able to support the existing facade.
My guess is the shape of the site and associated constraints made it prohibitively expensive compared to the additional capacity it would provide.
I'm just gutted Doug did what he did before he did before he sold up, as it's a fair bet that Randy would've gone down the heritage protection route.
It was rebuilt around 5 years before he sold up, wasn't it? As for the cost, considering the mess we were in by the time randy left, i'm not sure I would have trusted him to with a highly complex building restoration project of that scale
Built in 2000, six years before Randy arrived. I've no doubt that had that particular new regime been overseeing the project, particularly in the early days when Steve Stride was still around, it would have been done properly.
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They will include: Jim Cumbes, Charlie Aitken, Chris Nicholl, Frank Carrodus, Brian Little, Leighton Phillips and Sammy Morgan... plus other Seventies players to be confirmed... we also hope to have a League Cup loaned to us for the afternoon!"
An afternoon ? Back then we used to regularly keep it for a year !
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The poles would have gone if they had put on a cantilever roof like at rangers (or the new trinity). An extra tier with new steel work would have been able to support the existing facade.
My guess is the shape of the site and associated constraints made it prohibitively expensive compared to the additional capacity it would provide.
I'm just gutted Doug did what he did before he did before he sold up, as it's a fair bet that Randy would've gone down the heritage protection route.
It was rebuilt around 5 years before he sold up, wasn't it? As for the cost, considering the mess we were in by the time randy left, i'm not sure I would have trusted him to with a highly complex building restoration project of that scale
Built in 2000, six years before Randy arrived. I've no doubt that had that particular new regime been overseeing the project, particularly in the early days when Steve Stride was still around, it would have been done properly.
Aye. For all his faults, heritage is a passion of RL's.
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Of all the things Ellis did, that act of vandalism is the one i will never forgive him for.
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The poles would have gone if they had put on a cantilever roof like at rangers (or the new trinity). An extra tier with new steel work would have been able to support the existing facade.
My guess is the shape of the site and associated constraints made it prohibitively expensive compared to the additional capacity it would provide.
I'm just gutted Doug did what he did before he did before he sold up, as it's a fair bet that Randy would've gone down the heritage protection route.
It was rebuilt around 5 years before he sold up, wasn't it? As for the cost, considering the mess we were in by the time randy left, i'm not sure I would have trusted him to with a highly complex building restoration project of that scale
Built in 2000, six years before Randy arrived. I've no doubt that had that particular new regime been overseeing the project, particularly in the early days when Steve Stride was still around, it would have been done properly.
Aye. For all his faults, heritage is a passion of RL's.
Pity he couldn't do anything with the North Stand.
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Does anyone know what time the launch starts on 5th November?
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I've no problem with knocking the old stand down. It wasn't big enough and the poles got in the way from many of the seats.
It should've been done in a far more imaginative and classy way though, keeping the lion badge and not just making it look like any old generic big stand in the country.
If there'd been more space, maybe something like this could have been done ?
(http://stadiumparkingguides.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Soldier-Field.jpg)
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Does anyone know what time the launch starts on 5th November?
It starts at 12pm in the Holte Suite.
I pre-ordered the book on Sunday.
coincidentally I've just purchased Children of the Revolution from Oxfam online for £20.00!! I've been looking for a copy for years.
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I've no problem with knocking the old stand down. It wasn't big enough and the poles got in the way from many of the seats.
It should've been done in a far more imaginative and classy way though, keeping the lion badge and not just making it look like any old generic big stand in the country.
If there'd been more space, maybe something like this could have been done ?
(http://stadiumparkingguides.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Soldier-Field.jpg)
I do like the Soldier Field Spaceship, but I'm not sure I could justify flooding Aston just to give us a nice water feature.
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I have it on order at Amazon.co.uk so when the book will be released to general public ? is it 5th November ?
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I have it on order at Amazon.co.uk
So do I, £25.99
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Are copies available to buy at the launch next Saturday 5th November? Amazon state that it won't be released until 27th April 2017?
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Are copies available to buy at the launch next Saturday 5th November? Amazon state that it won't be released until 27th April 2017?
As i understand it yes there are but obviously will cost you more than the Amazon price. I've ordered 4 of the numbered 11-50 copies i'm just wondering when will get delivered
as i don't particulary wish to have to pick them up from VP. Very little info forthcoming from publishers.
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Are copies available to buy at the launch next Saturday 5th November? Amazon state that it won't be released until 27th April 2017?
As i understand it yes there are but obviously will cost you more than the Amazon price. I've ordered 4 of the numbered 11-50 copies i'm just wondering when will get delivered
as i don't particulary wish to have to pick them up from VP. Very little info forthcoming from publishers.
Yes, agree. Surprised that they haven't made things a bit clearer, particularly when they're selling a product.
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Does anyone know what time the launch starts on 5th November?
It starts at 12pm in the Holte Suite.
I pre-ordered the book on Sunday.
coincidentally I've just purchased Children of the Revolution from Oxfam online for £20.00!! I've been looking for a copy for years.
You could sell that for £60 on ebay.
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Does anyone know what time the launch starts on 5th November?
It starts at 12pm in the Holte Suite.
I pre-ordered the book on Sunday.
coincidentally I've just purchased Children of the Revolution from Oxfam online for £20.00!! I've been looking for a copy for years.
You could sell that for £60 on ebay.
Wouldnt much rather it in my collection though.
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"Children of the Revolution", which Holte L2 borrowed from me recently and obviously enjoyed, is one of the best Villa books, together with Peter Morris's club history, Dave Woodhall's "From one Season to the Next" and Simon Inglis's Villa Park history
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"Children of the Revolution", which Holte L2 borrowed from me recently and obviously enjoyed, is one of the best Villa books, together with Peter Morris's club history, Dave Woodhall's "From one Season to the Next" and Simon Inglis's Villa Park history
And Terry Weir's book.
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"Children of the Revolution", which Holte L2 borrowed from me recently and obviously enjoyed, is one of the best Villa books, together with Peter Morris's club history, Dave Woodhall's "From one Season to the Next" and Simon Inglis's Villa Park history
And Terry Weir's book.
Indeed
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I have it on order at Amazon.co.uk
So do I, £25.99
I was baulking at £40, didn't even think to look on Amazon, ended up buying two (1 for me and for a xmas present).
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Amazon say it's not available til 27 Apr 2017.
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Amazon say it's not available til 27 Apr 2017.
I'm sure it didn't say that when I ordered but you're right, it does now
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"Children of the Revolution", which Holte L2 borrowed from me recently and obviously enjoyed, is one of the best Villa books, together with Peter Morris's club history, Dave Woodhall's "From one Season to the Next" and Simon Inglis's Villa Park history
It was a fantastic read Frank. Really enjoyed and many thanks for the loan again. Glad to have it in my collection. Couldnt believe it when I saw it on Oxfam online for £20!
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Chris Nicholl, Jim Cumbes, Alan Little, Frank Carrodus, Bobby McDonald are already confirmed for the book launch. My Dad bless him was a financial adviser to several Villa players in the 70's. I'll never forget arriving home after work one night and Frank Carrodus was in our Kitchen sitting at the table discussing insurance or something with my Dad! I was in awe....one of my heroes! No football agents as such in those days!
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Chris Nicholl, Jim Cumbes, Alan Little, Frank Carrodus, Bobby McDonald are already confirmed for the book launch. My Dad bless him was a financial adviser to several Villa players in the 70's. I'll never forget arriving home after work one night and Frank Carrodus was in our Kitchen sitting at the table discussing insurance or something with my Dad! I was in awe....one of my heroes! No football agents as such in those days!
They weren't earning the margins to justify agents were they?
It sickens me that the likes of Lescott, Richards and Gabby are financially more secure than the likes of Cowans, Mortimer etc.
Chris Nicholl is a thoroughly nice bloke-Worth attending just for a chat with him. If Alan Little is anything like his brother then he's another one worth speaking to.
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I've heard that Sammy Morgan and Leighton Phillips are also attending. I'm hoping Ray Graydon also attends - who can forget Kevin Keelan pushing his spot-kick onto the post, fortunately the ball rebounded straight into Ray's path and he slammed home the winner!
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I loved graydon more than I love my lemon. He did as much as anyone in the final at ot to bring back the league cup. Would have to say apart from Nicholl little touch gray and graydon the player who name should be shouted from all parts of the villa world is rimmer. The difference between a good team and a very good team
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In short what's the opinion is it worth paying £40 tomorrow and having it fully autographed or ordering for £ 20 and getting the book in April?
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Just been to Villa Park to pick up hospitality tickets. Club shop already selling it. Had a quick glance through it and it looks very in depth although the type face could've been better quality. Lots of new photos unseen from that era.
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Amazing - photos, autographs with the lot of them pity ray grading is missing
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A great day yesterday at the book launch. Chris Nicholl, Leighton Phillips, Sammy Morgan, Jim Cumbes and Frank Carrodus are really nice guys to talk to. Sir Brian even put in an appearance. I was in the hospitality afterwards and they came and did another signing session. I spoke to John Deehan at length especially his part and goals in the 5-1 thrashing of Liverpool in December 1976. Ken McNaught was there and Steve Staunton.
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A great day yesterday at the book launch. Chris Nicholl, Leighton Phillips, Sammy Morgan, Jim Cumbes and Frank Carrodus are really nice guys to talk to. Sir Brian even put in an appearance. I was in the hospitality afterwards and they came and did another signing session. I spoke to John Deehan at length especially his part and goals in the 5-1 thrashing of Liverpool in December 1976. Ken McNaught was there and Steve Staunton.
I also got Neil Rioch and even Gary Thompson to sign. Wish McNaught had been in the Holte Suiite. Did you get Aitken to sign? He still looks the same as when he was playing.
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Yes, I got Charlie to sign. Such a nice guy to talk to.
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Can u buy with autographs or was it just a great opportunity to get them at this session ?
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Can u buy with autographs or was it just a great opportunity to get them at this session ?
I don't think there's autographed copies. You can buy my copy for £500.00...
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Just buy the book and take it the next former players bash. The content and photos second to none
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Going back to the book signing in the Holte Suite a couple of weeks ago, who was the chap in burgundy trousers hobbling round with a walking stick? People seemed to know who he was. I couldn't place him.
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Going back to the book signing in the Holte Suite a couple of weeks ago, who was the chap in burgundy trousers hobbling round with a walking stick? People seemed to know who he was. I couldn't place him.
The author.
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So, is the book good?
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Ordered mine through Amazon yesterday
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So, is the book good?
Content and photos are very good and a defining reference to our 70's. print not the best in the world and could have been set out perhaps in a less jigsaw manner
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So, is the book good?
Content and photos are very good and a defining reference to our 70's. print not the best in the world and could have been set out perhaps in a less jigsaw manner
WW, Totally agree, some of the photos are excellent
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Hi guys, I want to buy this for my dad so does anyone have any reccomendations as to how and where I can buy it? Being 16 I'd quite like the cheapest possible deal! Thanks in advance.