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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on January 23, 2016, 05:57:34 PM
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Since the defensive shambles of Everton and Watford we have now conceded 11 goals in our last 9 league games. For a bottom of a table team that is very good going so Remi has done very well there and should be praised. Also co-incides with Okore coming back....
Surely surely the board should be appreciative of that fact and maybe think to themselves...."well if we can dig deep and get in a clinical new striker on loan...." To not do that in the next 10 days will be a disgrace and Fox and co will deserve all the stick at the next fans meet up.
How they can be watching us and think we have enough in the final third is beyond me, we are utterly toothless upfront.
Remi has tightened the defensive structure sufficiently for us to be regularly picking up points now but it's still not enough and he needs help from above.
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Because we are wiping the Arse of the table and a good striker isn't going to join.
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
Yes but it's a time issue isn't it? Today with the results going the way they did would've been great to win, the table would've been looking much better again.
We plod on as we are and we'll draw another 3-4 of these games 0-0, 1-0s would give us a shot of staying up.
There are plenty of strikers around europe not playing and need games before the euros, Loic Remy isn't the only one.
I suppose my underlying frustration is this really should've been done on August 31st.
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
not at all , a top drawer striker ,on loan probably, scoring possibly 10 to 15 goals and keeping us up would be pure heaven
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That's my point though. We've only heard of the Remy link. How do you know we haven't been afte the types of forward you are referring to? And what we've also learnt from the players we did get in the summer from the continent, they don't always hit the ground running. We don't have time for that so to get a ready made forward has to tick a lot of boxes. It's easy to say just spend the money but it's not guaranteed to deliver the desired results plus we could be stick with the contract if we do go down. We are not the most attractive option right now it has to be said.
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
not at all , a top drawer striker ,on loan probably, scoring possibly 10 to 15 goals and keeping us up would be pure heaven
Well off course it would be. And likely pure fantasy. I don't doubt for a second we tried to get to get Remy and we still might but it will depend on Chelsea getting someone in. That scenario in January with a lot of clubs is quite common.
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It's not like popping to the shops for a loaf of bread. You do realise that don't you?
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That's my point though. We've only heard of the Remy link. How do you know we haven't been afte the types of forward you are referring to? And what we've also learnt from the players we did get in the summer from the continent, they don't always hit the ground running. We don't have time for that so to get a ready made forward has to tick a lot of boxes. It's easy to say just spend the money but it's not guaranteed to deliver the desired results plus we could be stick with the contract if we do go down. We are not the most attractive option right now it has to be said.
I'm not saying spend the money though....a short term loan option to give us a boost and win us some games is what I'm after.
Must admit I did have reservations about Afobe and whether he could do it in the prem but he's scored 2 in 3 and is winning Bournemouth points.
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That's my point though. We've only heard of the Remy link. How do you know we haven't been afte the types of forward you are referring to? And what we've also learnt from the players we did get in the summer from the continent, they don't always hit the ground running. We don't have time for that so to get a ready made forward has to tick a lot of boxes. It's easy to say just spend the money but it's not guaranteed to deliver the desired results plus we could be stick with the contract if we do go down. We are not the most attractive option right now it has to be said.
agree totally tv but theres 10s of millions at stake here,not to mention aston villa as a whole
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I expect that we will bring one in - Gestede's injury will pretty much guarantee that now.
It all comes down to who we would want. I'm pretty certain that if we have asked Danny Graham, Nick Blackman or Gary Hooper at the start of January then they'd have jumped at the chance to come to us.
If we'd asked Loic Remy at the start of January, he's going to keep his options open to see if somebody with better prospects fancies him instead.
Although I'd have been more than happy with Dame N'Doye who went to Sunderland.
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I think we have no chance of attracting anyone of the sufficient quality to make a difference given our situation. I'm sure we could go and sign someone equivalent to Jordan Bowery, but there's no point in that.
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One word. Three letters. Who?
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One word. Three letters. Who?
Eto
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Jordan Rhodes may be worth a punt, scored again today. Gives him a chance of premier league football for a few months and if we do go down he is great at championship level. Would cost £10m approx though I imagine.
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One word. Three letters. Who?
Eto
Eto'o is four letters
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You are right CL. The lack of backing of Garde this window is disgraceful.
And no I do not beleive that all the useful strikers in the world somehow find bottom placed Aston Villa more toxic than other bottom placed teams who managed to sign players in January.
This one of firmly Fox & Lerners fault. They have given up already and have decided to spend even less than normal rather than taking actual action to help us stay up.
I give them credit for finally getting a decent manager in, but they are washing all that away by not backing him at all.
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One word. Three letters. Who?
Eto
Eto'o is four letters
I used his nickname
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One word. Three letters. Who?
Eto
Eto'o is four letters
pel
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One word. Three letters. Who?
N'Doye.
Five goals in fifteen for a relegated side, international team-mate of Gueye. 6 ft 1, quick, strong.
Ideal for us I'd have thought.
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You are right CL. The lack of backing of Garde this window is disgraceful.
And no I do not beleive that all the useful strikers in the world somehow find bottom placed Aston Villa more toxic than other bottom placed teams who managed to sign players in January.
This one of firmly Fox & Lerners fault. They have given up already.
I give them credit for finally getting a decent manager in, but they are washing all that away by not backing him at all.
How do you know these facts?
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how is it a disgrace? I'm sure our ability hasn't been helped by the the fact that when Garde arrived it was a 5 point gap that has grown to double digits. Do you think we'd have nobody in if the gap was still only 5 points?
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One word. Three letters. Who?
Who? I haven't heard of him. Is he African?
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I'd actually take a punt on Dwight Gayle.
Maybe in fairness more looking towards next season but he has scored some league goals for Palace, can play the 6 yard box and could well thrive in a team who starts him regularly and builds the attacking play.
He might not be good enough for our present situation but given his record at Peterbrough he certainly will be next season.
I could mention plenty of other players abroad...Diego Rolan, Adrian Ramos, Immobile etc who aren't playing for their respective teams but would just be accused of playing FM even though I've not played that game in my life.
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You are right CL. The lack of backing of Garde this window is disgraceful.
And no I do not beleive that all the useful strikers in the world somehow find bottom placed Aston Villa more toxic than other bottom placed teams who managed to sign players in January.
This one of firmly Fox & Lerners fault. They have given up already.
I give them credit for finally getting a decent manager in, but they are washing all that away by not backing him at all.
How do you know these facts?
In the interest of avoiding another twenty answer back and forth lets agree that some fans beleive the club is desperate to spend big but players wont come, some fans (me) beleive the board have given up.
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One word. Three letters. Who?
Who? I haven't heard of him. Is he African?
Maybe it is Doctor Who and he will use his Tardis to change time and have us start the season with Garde in charge and none of this agony will have ever happened.
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I could mention plenty of other players abroad...Diego Rolan, Adrian Ramos, Immobile etc who aren't playing for their respective teams but would just be accused of playing FM even though I've not played that game in my life.
Immobile has moved to Torino.
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I could mention plenty of other players abroad...Diego Rolan, Adrian Ramos, Immobile etc who aren't playing for their respective teams but would just be accused of playing FM even though I've not played that game in my life.
Immobile has moved to Torino.
how did he get there then?
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I don't think Garde will want to saddle the club with Championship/lower PL players. He built a young team at Lyon due to circumstances but I think he will generally go for young players that he can mould into his team with a sprinkling of older professional players that he can trust.
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Moussa Sow, Demba Ba there's another two.
Both playing in Asia and getting a shed load of money but maybe could be tempted back to play in a decent league.
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Moussa Sow, Demba Ba there's another two.
Both playing in Asia and getting a shed load of money but maybe could be tempted back to play in a decent league.
two things:
1) shed load of money is exactly why they aren't playing in the PL
2) playing in a decent league isn't of any significance to either of them
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some fans beleive the club is desperate to spend big but players wont come, some fans (me) beleive the board have given up.
In spite of all the quotes from other clubs, players and agents saying that we've made attempts to sign people?
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Afobe has gone to a side who have never been in the topflight before and are by no means assured of staying up.
I think we might have stood a chance.
Kramaric has joined the bottom side in the Budesliga on loan. Again, even in our current predicament, that is a deal that could have been done.
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It is frustrating and we need a striker and someone like Frank Lampard/Ian Taylor to get goal from midfield. There are too few goalscorers in our team :(
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Afobe has gone to a side who have never been in the topflight before and are by no means assured of staying up.
I think we might have stood a chance.
Kramaric has joined the bottom side in the Budesliga on loan. Again, even in our current predicament, that is a deal that could have been done.
only two go down in Germany, and Hoffenheim are one point off the play off spot and 3 points off safety. If we were three points off safety we'd have done business already.
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It is frustrating and we need a striker and someone like Frank Lampard/Ian Taylor to get goal from midfield. There are too few goalscorers in our team :(
we had both not much more than 6 months ago
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just surmising here, not at all serious but
offer to pay Bentekes wages and take him on loan till the end of the season for whatever it might cost
with the guarantee that if we stay up we take him back at the price they paid us
everyones a winner
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For what it's worth, I'd try and get Crouch in until the end of the season. If it were possible of course. His scoring record in the Prem stacks up.
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For what it's worth, I'd try and get Crouch in until the end of the season. If it were possible of course. His scoring record in the Prem stacks up.
He'd be a very good addition.
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remi must be banging his head against every wall he comes to.
he should be on that phone to America 24/7 demanding help
he can only piss with the cock hes got,and it keeps missing the target
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Afobe has gone to a side who have never been in the topflight before and are by no means assured of staying up.
I think we might have stood a chance.
Kramaric has joined the bottom side in the Budesliga on loan. Again, even in our current predicament, that is a deal that could have been done.
only two go down in Germany, and Hoffenheim are one point off the play off spot and 3 points off safety. If we were three points off safety we'd have done business already.
Aye, they aren't quite as banjaxed as us.
But they aren't too clever either.
Aston Villa generally shouldn't need too much selling to a player, but in these unusual times I accept it might take a bit more effort than usual. It should really be a no lose situation for a player like that though -especially on loan. Come in,help keep us up and you will be a hero with a permanent deal and a substantial payrise to follow.
If we go down, you've had regular gametime before the Euros in the summer and you have put yourself in the shopwindow in the most popular league in the world.
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some fans beleive the club is desperate to spend big but players wont come, some fans (me) beleive the board have given up.
In spite of all the quotes from other clubs, players and agents saying that we've made attempts to sign people?
Fine man. You really seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this notion Randy actually wants to spend big but can't. Is it really necessary for you to challenge everyone who sees the opposite from the evidence out there? Including Fox's comments, and Garde's? I know others have mentioned it, but its pretty irksome the way you (and a few others seem) to have decided that fans who are angry at zero signings are the bigger problem than ... the zero signings.
It would be nice if you could give us some room here.
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Afobe has gone to a side who have never been in the topflight before and are by no means assured of staying up.
I think we might have stood a chance.
Kramaric has joined the bottom side in the Budesliga on loan. Again, even in our current predicament, that is a deal that could have been done.
only two go down in Germany, and Hoffenheim are one point off the play off spot and 3 points off safety. If we were three points off safety we'd have done business already.
Aye, they aren't quite as banjaxed as us.
But they aren't too clever either.
Aston Villa generally shouldn't need too much selling to a player, but in these unusual times I accept it might take a bit more effort than usual. It should really be a no lose situation for a player like that though -especially on loan. Come in,help keep us up and you will be a hero with a permanent deal and a substantial payrise to follow.
If we go down, you've had regular gametime before the Euros in the summer and you have put yourself in the shopwindow in the most popular league in the world.
I think that's been the message all along and back in December when the situation wasn't so dire it looked to be a decent proposition. As things got worse and worse even that line wouldn't have been enough. And any player worth his salt is either going to wait until the last minute or find a better situation.
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Firstly, as our esteemed leaders stated the other night, we aren't the most attractive option at the moment.
Secondly, can't remember who it was but as someone.explained the process a while back, as bigger transfers go through, other players become available (Loic Remy for example) which is where we might be able to get players in. Unfortunately this means waiting to the end of the window.
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some fans beleive the club is desperate to spend big but players wont come, some fans (me) beleive the board have given up.
In spite of all the quotes from other clubs, players and agents saying that we've made attempts to sign people?
Fine man. You really seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this notion Randy actually wants to spend big but can't. Is it really necessary for you to challenge everyone who sees the opposite from the evidence out there?
My apologies if you get upset by people disagreeing with you.
But yes, if you keep posting that we haven't tried to sign anybody in spite of the fact that it's clearly not true, then be my guest. But don't be surprised if I and others point out that it's nonsense when it's pretty obvious that we have.
If you're going to be repetitive with your assertion it seems a bit unfair if you're going to get uppity when others do the same.
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Fine then.
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come on now Ciggie. Don't be this guy. It's a discussion forum. Not everything goes your way.
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Debuchy has said that we have made an approach to sign him. We've had a work permit denied (at the moment) for Kalinic.
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My question to Ciggies is how much room dya need in terms of cubic feet?
I only as k because the missus is a realtor, and once told me when I worked at Sotheby's that a waste paper basket in Bond Street could buy a house in Kansas.
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
I too read the media but what im saying is, do we really know and how hard are we really trying
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I'd probably go for Christian Santos aswell if his release clause really is 300k.
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Afobe has gone to a side who have never been in the topflight before and are by no means assured of staying up.
I think we might have stood a chance.
Kramaric has joined the bottom side in the Budesliga on loan. Again, even in our current predicament, that is a deal that could have been done.
only two go down in Germany, and Hoffenheim are one point off the play off spot and 3 points off safety. If we were three points off safety we'd have done business already.
Aye, they aren't quite as banjaxed as us.
But they aren't too clever either.
Aston Villa generally shouldn't need too much selling to a player, but in these unusual times I accept it might take a bit more effort than usual. It should really be a no lose situation for a player like that though -especially on loan. Come in,help keep us up and you will be a hero with a permanent deal and a substantial payrise to follow.
If we go down, you've had regular gametime before the Euros in the summer and you have put yourself in the shopwindow in the most popular league in the world.
I think that's been the message all along and back in December when the situation wasn't so dire it looked to be a decent proposition. As things got worse and worse even that line wouldn't have been enough. And any player worth his salt is either going to wait until the last minute or find a better situation.
For decent players in general, yes, might be true.
But in this specific case, I am not sure that bottom of the Bundesliga is infinitely more attractive than bottom of the PL.
Usually it's when you have a decent side that it becomes harder to improve. Players available won't automatically improve you and the temptation is there to buy for the sake of it.
But are plenty of other forwards mid > lower Prem league sides currently not getting game time who would be a drastic improvement on our current options, by dint of the fact that Gestede and Kozak are so horrid.
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I'd like us to go for Gayle, by no means a world beater but he has good off the ball movement (something we are crying out for) and is very quick, his movement would also help the likes of Gil, Ayew, Grealish etc who have nothing moving infront of them usually, he's a good fit for a lower half premier league or promotion chasing championship team.
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
I too read the media but what im saying is, do we really know and how hard are we really trying
No, what you were saying is 'we really have to know who they are'.
In the case of Debuchy, Sane, Kalinic and Congre either the player or their chairman has said we're in for them. Why would they lie? In the case of Kailinic, we're at the stage of trying to get his work permit, having agreed a fee and terms. What more can they do than that?
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The idiots in charge have thrown in the towel.
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Our chance to buy a striker was when Benteke was sold. Bottom of the league, 9 points from safety and destined for the Championship is not the time to be buying a striker capable of scoring double figures between now and May.
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What is Adebeyor up too these days?
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What is Adebeyor up too these days?
He may end up being one of the only half reasonable options, but I can't see Remi wanting to bring in a player with a notoriously piss poor attitude when he's not managed to shift shysters like Gabby and Zog yet.
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What is Adebeyor up too these days?
Telling Palace "if you want me it's £77k a week"
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Our chance to buy a striker was when Benteke was sold. Bottom of the league, 9 points from safety and destined for the Championship is not the time to be buying a striker capable of scoring double figures between now and May.
what twists my melons is who actually had the last word on gestede being the answer?
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No half decent proven striker will come here. We need to take a punt on someone from overseas or lower leagues again, which of course is what got us in this mess in the first place, but there are strikers out there who have scored in the championship, who may fancy coming to a club our size, regardless of us being destined to ply our trade in the second tier. I think Rudy will do alright next season, providing we buy a half decent winger, but we definitely need a mobile CF who has an eye for goal. At the level we're at now you're not gonna get an all-rounder or someone with great technique, but if we're lucky we'll find the next Darren Bent or someone of that style.
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What is Adebeyor up too these days?
Telling Palace "if you want me it's £177k a week"
Fixed
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
I too read the media but what im saying is, do we really know and how hard are we really trying
No, what you were saying is 'we really have to know who they are'.
In the case of Debuchy, Sane, Kalinic and Congre either the player or their chairman has said we're in for them. Why would they lie? In the case of Kailinic, we're at the stage of trying to get his work permit, having agreed a fee and terms. What more can they do than that?
do they even know which kalinic theyre buying? I know which one id be after!
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
I too read the media but what im saying is, do we really know and how hard are we really trying
No, what you were saying is 'we really have to know who they are'.
In the case of Debuchy, Sane, Kalinic and Congre either the player or their chairman has said we're in for them. Why would they lie? In the case of Kailinic, we're at the stage of trying to get his work permit, having agreed a fee and terms. What more can they do than that?
do they even know which kalinic theyre buying? I know which one id be after!
I would think so, yes.
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Ross McCormack,? Wanted by Boro at 8-9m. Is 29 however.
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come on now Ciggie. Don't be this guy. It's a discussion forum. Not everything goes your way.
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Bwahaha :) Nah it was posted in haste because I had to take the family out to breakfast. If I do a full on petulant sulk it wont be subtle :)
My question to Ciggies is how much room dya need in terms of cubic feet?
I only as k because the missus is a realtor, and once told me when I worked at Sotheby's that a waste paper basket in Bond Street could buy a house in Kansas.
Its an emotional space I need to give support to my vastly inflated sense of self importance. So by that calculation I need about the size of the state of Kansas.
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Ross McCormack,? Wanted by Boro at 8-9m. Is 29 however.
I think he costs too much money, and that's considering his price has evidently lowered in the last year. It was astonishing what Fulham paid for him.
I'd want a younger player to be honest. Fair enough he has goals in him, but he'd have no sell on value.
If he was 5-6 mill it would probably be a no brainer and he could probably be tempted here. But perhaps we could offer up Gabby in part exchange.
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
I too read the media but what im saying is, do we really know and how hard are we really trying
No, what you were saying is 'we really have to know who they are'.
In the case of Debuchy, Sane, Kalinic and Congre either the player or their chairman has said we're in for them. Why would they lie? In the case of Kailinic, we're at the stage of trying to get his work permit, having agreed a fee and terms. What more can they do than that?
do they even know which kalinic theyre buying? I know which one id be after!
I would think so, yes.
but a second string keeper isn't really the answer is it?
he must be cheap? a goalscorer may well keep us up,but are we really trying?
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That Christian Santos who plays in Holland, £250k, low wages, good scoring record albeit in a poor league, worth a gamble?
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That Christian Santos who plays in Holland, £250k, low wages, good scoring record albeit in a poor league, worth a gamble?
We've made our bed by taking gambles. The situation we're in now, is that we have to make more gambles. So yeah, why not? He could be worth a punt. Were he to have a good start in the Championship, he could perhaps kick on when we're (hopefully) back up to the top flight.
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
I too read the media but what im saying is, do we really know and how hard are we really trying
No, what you were saying is 'we really have to know who they are'.
In the case of Debuchy, Sane, Kalinic and Congre either the player or their chairman has said we're in for them. Why would they lie? In the case of Kailinic, we're at the stage of trying to get his work permit, having agreed a fee and terms. What more can they do than that?
do they even know which kalinic theyre buying? I know which one id be after!
I would think so, yes.
but a second string keeper isn't really the answer is it?
he must be cheap? a goalscorer may well keep us up,but are we really trying?
£5m according to the papers. So, no, not cheap or a second string.
That would depend on the question. If the question is 'shall we sign a goalkeeper to solve the fact that Guzan is crap and Bunn is a stopgap' then it may well be an answer. If the question is 'will he solve our striker problem' then probably not, no.
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I was quite excited by the Croat keeper, shame we've been diddled by the permit. Have no idea if they've got a second lined up, you would hope so but then I would be surprised if that was it.
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I have a book of raffle tickets and intend to start a buy a player fund.
I also have a bucket that will be getting a rattle.
Let's help the club through this.
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That Christian Santos who plays in Holland, £250k, low wages, good scoring record albeit in a poor league, worth a gamble?
We're at the stage where we really have nothing to lose. I'd like to see us do something other than sit on our hands and wait for the inevitable. I'd like us to roll the dice, spend our way out, or at least try to. Inaction will not help our predicament, that is a certainty. Spending is no guarantee either, but I suspect it may help more than doing fuck all. Lerner, Fox, new bloke, pull your collective finger the fuck out and back the manager and give him the tools to get us out of this. I'm confident Garde with the tools will do the job.
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if we have tried to sign players and that is true , then surely we have to know who they were..
who were they?
Why do we have to know who they were?
But your starter for ten - Remy, Debuchy, Kalinic, Congre, Sane
I too read the media but what im saying is, do we really know and how hard are we really trying
No, what you were saying is 'we really have to know who they are'.
In the case of Debuchy, Sane, Kalinic and Congre either the player or their chairman has said we're in for them. Why would they lie? In the case of Kailinic, we're at the stage of trying to get his work permit, having agreed a fee and terms. What more can they do than that?
do they even know which kalinic theyre buying? I know which one id be after!
I would think so, yes.
but a second string keeper isn't really the answer is it?
he must be cheap? a goalscorer may well keep us up,but are we really trying?
£5m according to the papers. So, no, not cheap or a second string.
That would depend on the question. If the question is 'shall we sign a goalkeeper to solve the fact that Guzan is crap and Bunn is a stopgap' then it may well be an answer. If the question is 'will he solve our striker problem' then probably not, no.
according to the papers? exactly!
we seem devoid of any ambition and desire, I keep getting the impression that even now the manager isnt getting the players he wants on board.
we need someone to put that ball in the net,remi knows it,you know it and I know it but for some reason it aint happening . last chance saloon and all that . we just are not trying hard enough
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Bid for Defoe I say.
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To get a better Striker in than the carthorse duo of Kozak and Gestede, well it wouldn't be hard would it. It's not like we need to shop at your Barcelona's just a little added dimension so we can expand on trying to get the ball wide to a clown like Bacuna or Hutton and then have an attempted cross hit the first man.
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according to the papers? exactly!
Exactly, what?
You wanted to know which players we are trying to sign - how do you expect to know this without direct quotes from players, chairmen etc through the media - a daily personal phone call from Remi Garde?
we seem devoid of any ambition and desire, I keep getting the impression that even now the manager isnt getting the players he wants on board.
Obviously, we haven't signed anyone. It's hardly an impression is it.
we need someone to put that ball in the net,remi knows it,you know it and I know it but for some reason it aint happening . last chance saloon and all that .
Of course we do. None of which has anything to do with signing players in other positions such as Kalinic, which you have at various points now disputed whether we've tried hard enough, whether we should bother because he isn't a striker, whether he'd be first choice or whether we were paying enough for him to avoid being classed as 'cheap'. Despite clear evidence to the contrary.
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I have a book of raffle tickets and intend to start a buy a player fund.
I also have a bucket that will be getting a rattle.
Let's help the club through this.
How much a strip mate? Tickets, not you doing a turn. Obviously.
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To get a better Striker in than the carthorse duo of Kozak and Gestede, well it wouldn't be hard would it. It's not like we need to shop at your Barcelona's just a little added dimension so we can expand on trying to get the ball wide to a clown like Bacuna or Hutton and then have an attempted cross hit the first man.
I'd look in the Championship or clubs in reasonable foreign leagues who would snap our hands off for some cash. Who's at a club who probably won't go up automatically and has a striker who's banged the goals in? (preferably for more than just a season). Could be worth bidding. Someone with some mobility.
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I have a book of raffle tickets and intend to start a buy a player fund.
I also have a bucket that will be getting a rattle.
Let's help the club through this.
How much a strip mate? Tickets, not you doing a turn. Obviously.
15 million.
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Who's at a club who probably won't go up automatically and has a striker who's banged the goals in? (preferably for more than just a season). Could be worth bidding. Someone with some mobility.
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How long since this has been wheeled out?
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Patrick Bamford? Surely he'd be available on loan?
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I'd offer up Gabby on a part exchange for Rhodes at Blackburn. Lambert likes Gabby. Granted it may be hard getting him to deal with us, but Rhodes is destined to go. We give him a player he knows and rates in return and then maybe chuck 7-8 mill at them and we've got someone who has already played with Gestede and has proven himself in the Championship, so even when the inevitable happens we've got a goalscorer at that level.
Job done.
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according to the papers? exactly!
Exactly, what?
You wanted to know which players we are trying to sign - how do you expect to know this without direct quotes from players, chairmen etc through the media - a daily personal phone call from Remi Garde?
we seem devoid of any ambition and desire, I keep getting the impression that even now the manager isnt getting the players he wants on board.
Obviously, we haven't signed anyone. It's hardly an impression is it.
we need someone to put that ball in the net,remi knows it,you know it and I know it but for some reason it aint happening . last chance saloon and all that .
Of course we do. None of which has anything to do with signing players in other positions such as Kalinic, which you have at various points now disputed whether we've tried hard enough, whether we should bother because he isn't a striker, whether he'd be first choice or whether we were paying enough for him to avoid being classed as 'cheap'. Despite clear evidence to the contrary.
the media invertebrates do no villa fan no good,a call from remi would be handy but im not sure he has the final say,and if we don't bust a gut and sign someone who can score 10 plus goals from now were finished as a prem league team
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according to the papers? exactly!
Exactly, what?
You wanted to know which players we are trying to sign - how do you expect to know this without direct quotes from players, chairmen etc through the media - a daily personal phone call from Remi Garde?
we seem devoid of any ambition and desire, I keep getting the impression that even now the manager isnt getting the players he wants on board.
Obviously, we haven't signed anyone. It's hardly an impression is it.
we need someone to put that ball in the net,remi knows it,you know it and I know it but for some reason it aint happening . last chance saloon and all that .
Of course we do. None of which has anything to do with signing players in other positions such as Kalinic, which you have at various points now disputed whether we've tried hard enough, whether we should bother because he isn't a striker, whether he'd be first choice or whether we were paying enough for him to avoid being classed as 'cheap'. Despite clear evidence to the contrary.
the media invertebrates do no villa fan no good,a call from remi would be handy but im not sure he has the final say,and if we don't bust a gut and sign someone who can score 10 plus goals from now were finished as a prem league team
I give up. I'm not even sure you bother reading the posts you reply to.
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That Christian Santos who plays in Holland, £250k, low wages, good scoring record albeit in a poor league, worth a gamble?
We're at the stagewhere we really have nothing to lose. I'd like to see us do something other than sit on our hands and wait for the inevitable. I'd like us to roll the dice, spend our way out, or at least try to. Inaction will not help our predicament, that is a certainty. Spending is no guarantee either, but I suspect it may help more than doing fuck all. Lerner, Fox, new bloke, pull your collective finger the fuck out and back the manager and give him the tools to get us out of this. I'm confident Garde with the tools will do the job.
Now I'm at the stage when everything I thought meant something seems so unappealing. I'm ready for the real thing but nobody's selling no. (Not drinking, honest).
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That Santos looks worth getting for 300k. I like Gayle too. A couple of forward options with a bit of pace and eye for goal are with gambling on now surely.
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Gayle's a shout. Him and Crouch for me. Sorted
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according to the papers? exactly!
Exactly, what?
You wanted to know which players we are trying to sign - how do you expect to know this without direct quotes from players, chairmen etc through the media - a daily personal phone call from Remi Garde?
we seem devoid of any ambition and desire, I keep getting the impression that even now the manager isnt getting the players he wants on board.
Obviously, we haven't signed anyone. It's hardly an impression is it.
we need someone to put that ball in the net,remi knows it,you know it and I know it but for some reason it aint happening . last chance saloon and all that .
Of course we do. None of which has anything to do with signing players in other positions such as Kalinic, which you have at various points now disputed whether we've tried hard enough, whether we should bother because he isn't a striker, whether he'd be first choice or whether we were paying enough for him to avoid being classed as 'cheap'. Despite clear evidence to the contrary.
the media invertebrates do no villa fan no good,a call from remi would be handy but im not sure he has the final say,and if we don't bust a gut and sign someone who can score 10 plus goals from now were finished as a prem league team
I give up. I'm not even sure you bother reading the posts you reply to.
you give up? all I wanted to know was how hard and how true our transfer dealings were.
pretty non existent at my end...cant help but get the feeling our custodians have given up too
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One word. Three letters. Who?
Who? I haven't heard of him. Is he African?
No, Gallifreyan.
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according to the papers? exactly!
Exactly, what?
You wanted to know which players we are trying to sign - how do you expect to know this without direct quotes from players, chairmen etc through the media - a daily personal phone call from Remi Garde?
we seem devoid of any ambition and desire, I keep getting the impression that even now the manager isnt getting the players he wants on board.
Obviously, we haven't signed anyone. It's hardly an impression is it.
we need someone to put that ball in the net,remi knows it,you know it and I know it but for some reason it aint happening . last chance saloon and all that .
Of course we do. None of which has anything to do with signing players in other positions such as Kalinic, which you have at various points now disputed whether we've tried hard enough, whether we should bother because he isn't a striker, whether he'd be first choice or whether we were paying enough for him to avoid being classed as 'cheap'. Despite clear evidence to the contrary.
the media invertebrates do no villa fan no good,a call from remi would be handy but im not sure he has the final say,and if we don't bust a gut and sign someone who can score 10 plus goals from now were finished as a prem league team
I give up. I'm not even sure you bother reading the posts you reply to.
you give up? all I wanted to know was how hard and how true our transfer dealings were.
And in a wonderful loop, we're right back to the start of the conversation again.
That's why I give up. I'd like to save what remains of my sanity and every other reader's eyes.
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according to the papers? exactly!
Exactly, what?
You wanted to know which players we are trying to sign - how do you expect to know this without direct quotes from players, chairmen etc through the media - a daily personal phone call from Remi Garde?
we seem devoid of any ambition and desire, I keep getting the impression that even now the manager isnt getting the players he wants on board.
Obviously, we haven't signed anyone. It's hardly an impression is it.
we need someone to put that ball in the net,remi knows it,you know it and I know it but for some reason it aint happening . last chance saloon and all that .
Of course we do. None of which has anything to do with signing players in other positions such as Kalinic, which you have at various points now disputed whether we've tried hard enough, whether we should bother because he isn't a striker, whether he'd be first choice or whether we were paying enough for him to avoid being classed as 'cheap'. Despite clear evidence to the contrary.
the media invertebrates do no villa fan no good,a call from remi would be handy but im not sure he has the final say,and if we don't bust a gut and sign someone who can score 10 plus goals from now were finished as a prem league team
I give up. I'm not even sure you bother reading the posts you reply to.
you give up? all I wanted to know was how hard and how true our transfer dealings were.
And in a wonderful loop, we're right back to the start of the conversation again.
That's why I give up. I'd like to save what remains of my sanity and every other reader's eyes.
what was that bit in the middle again? ;)
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you give up? all I wanted to know was how hard and how true our transfer dealings were.
pretty non existent at my end...cant help but get the feeling our custodians have given up too
They have mate, you are not crazy.
The alternative world view apparently is that Randy desperately wants to spend big on players this window but he cannot find any decent players who are willing to take millions of pounds by joining Aston Villa. If thats true then we are screwed, because if players wont sign for a bunch of cash to Premier League Aston Villa then sure as hell wont sign for Championship Aston Villa.
You, and I and perhaps a healthy chunk of fans believe the other scenario. He has reduced spending even more and at best the club is making enquiries for bottom end players.
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Gestede's injury could be a blessing. Peter Crouch on loan is a good shout.
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Let's loan back Benteke until the end of the season. He's clearly out of favour at Liverpool and could slot straight back in.
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our forward options currently are ghastly - Sinclair, Flabby, JustHead, Ayew, Traore, Kozak, Nzogbia
Ayew is the only one of those that is any use really, but he will never be prolific and is more of a supporting forward. Garde has correctly written off Nzogbia and Flabby while Sinclair and Kozak are as good as gone too imo. JustHead probably will have his uses next term but only as a bench option.
Gayle and Crouch are decent calls but we badly need to encourage Veretout to get into the box from midfield
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Paul Merson was suggesting Rickie Lambert today. Not the worst suggestion I've heard tbf.
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I don't want us to buy some make-shift has been for the Championship. Do that and then we're scraping round to buy someone for the Prem (if we get back) in 12 months. Much better to unearth a talent like Watford did with Igahlo that could improve a grow into a PL striker.
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One word. Three letters. Who?
I honestly think the best we could hope for now is a loan until the end of the season. Ideal but unrealistic - Remy or Benteke. Maybe more realistic - Crouch or Walters?
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I write like the look of that Haller we were linked with. Good size and seemed decent with the ball on his highlights reel. Get him and take a punt on that Santos lad. Both look like they would be useful next season too. The lack of movement for a couple of forward options is mystifying.
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Paul Merson was suggesting Rickie Lambert today. Not the worst suggestion I've heard tbf.
He can't get a kick for a team that shoots less often than we do.
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I think he is a good player and would have taken him last summer. In fairness Pulis fc had 3 strikers on the pitch today but never looked like shooting at goal. What a fucking insult to football that knob is. No wonder Berahino is so desperate to get out.
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Joining a team adrift at the bottom of the table is not going to be on any players list of 'must do" moves in January, so we'll end up signing a couple about half an hour before the window shuts when they realise it's the only offer they're going to get. Hardly exciting but that's the reality of the position we're in.
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Would it be worth contacting Klopp at Liverpool and offering him Grealish in a loan deal with Benteke for the rest of the season. Its obvious Klopp doesnt fancy Benteke and Grealish would welcome being the centre of attention again. If you dont ask......
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Seeing some of the names mentioned, it would be nice if the best paid and most senior striker currently at the club could motivate himself to help out.
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
not at all , a top drawer striker ,on loan probably, scoring possibly 10 to 15 goals and keeping us up would be pure heaven
How many 'top drawer strikers' are going to be let out on loan?
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Would it be worth contacting Klopp at Liverpool and offering him Grealish in a loan deal with Benteke for the rest of the season. Its obvious Klopp doesnt fancy Benteke and Grealish would welcome being the centre of attention again. If you dont ask......
Unfortunately, based on current form, Klopp is more likely to be persuaded if we promise to play Jack against then.
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
not at all , a top drawer striker ,on loan probably, scoring possibly 10 to 15 goals and keeping us up would be pure heaven
How many 'top drawer strikers' are going to be let out on loan?
remy,beneteke and if I had a ratch around probably one or two more
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
not at all , a top drawer striker ,on loan probably, scoring possibly 10 to 15 goals and keeping us up would be pure heaven
How many 'top drawer strikers' are going to be let out on loan?
remy,beneteke and if I had a ratch around probably one or two more
This is despite the fact that their clubs have specifically said that they aren't going out on loan?
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
not at all , a top drawer striker ,on loan probably, scoring possibly 10 to 15 goals and keeping us up would be pure heaven
How many 'top drawer strikers' are going to be let out on loan?
remy,beneteke and if I had a ratch around probably one or two more
This is despite the fact that their clubs have specifically said that they aren't going out on loan?
fuck it, lets just give up then
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This is how I picture anyone who seriously suggests we may be able to get Benteke back here.
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How do you know we haven't been trying to and they either won't come, or for the quality of player that will the price being asked doesn't make sense?
whatever the price it has to make sense
Isn't that like saying we should have got Pulis in as manager to guarantee survival makes sense?
not at all , a top drawer striker ,on loan probably, scoring possibly 10 to 15 goals and keeping us up would be pure heaven
How many 'top drawer strikers' are going to be let out on loan?
remy,beneteke and if I had a ratch around probably one or two more
The problem with those two is, a) Benteke is Liverpool's only fit striker and b) Remy is Chelsea's only other striker other than Diego Costa.
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the real problem is that the former was always desperate to leave and wouldn't come back and the latter wouldn't touch us with a barge pole
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That fella we were linked with in the summer Breel Emboli is still at Basel. Highly unlikely he would come but, as he is only 18, he might see us (and a year in the championship) as the optimum chance to get guaranteed football, improve as a player whilst at a big club and of course a massive pay rise.
Other than that Remy and Bamford are players we should be looking at imo.
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Crouch and Gayle. Decent in this league and the one below.
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Would it be worth contacting Klopp at Liverpool and offering him Grealish in a loan deal with Benteke for the rest of the season. Its obvious Klopp doesnt fancy Benteke and Grealish would welcome being the centre of attention again. If you dont ask......
bloody hell what would grealish do at liverpool? play for the under 15's?
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Paul Merson was suggesting Rickie Lambert today. Not the worst suggestion I've heard tbf.
Can't even make a non scoring Albion team
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Lamberts far too old. The last thing we also need is another immobile CF.
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I would try and get Zak Clough ,eye for goal and pretty mobile I'm sure Bolton would accept any reasonable offer ,otherwise throw our youth strikers in ,great chance for ambitious young player .I know the arguments against this, but ponder this with 15 games to go we are 34 points behind Leicester!
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This is how I picture anyone who seriously suggests we may be able to get Benteke back here.
That complimentary???........
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This is how I picture anyone who seriously suggests we may be able to get Benteke back here.
That complimentary???........
Plus the fact that no one would notice another Madman around here..........
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Two players Villa should be signing.. Jordan Rhodes and Will Hughes. Two players who can do well in the championship and if they prove to be good in the premier league between now and then and hell might freeze over could keep us up. Villa should be taking the pick of the championship players not likely to get promoted now.
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A good call, that. I suspect though that we've given up on survival this year and will adopt a "wait and see" policy before spending in the next transfer window too.
If we start well, they'll think we don't need investment to go up and won't spend any money. If we start badly, they'll think we have no chance of returning to the Premier League, so we'd better not spend any money.
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I have no problem with loans to fill positions until the end of the season but no way would I be looking to buy any players that are available but do not fit positions that Garde wants to strengthen or do not suit the style of play he wants to develop. That would be just wasting money that is in short supply.
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I would go and get Peter Crouch now. For two reasons. He might be a better option than Kozak at bringing Ayew into the game to get goals and he will chip in himself. And second, he would be perfect in the Championship.
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Jordan Rhodes would cost too much I think.
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Two players Villa should be signing.. Jordan Rhodes and Will Hughes. Two players who can do well in the championship and if they prove to be good in the premier league between now and then and hell might freeze over could keep us up. Villa should be taking the pick of the championship players not likely to get promoted now.
Good shout all round
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Two players Villa should be signing.. Jordan Rhodes and Will Hughes. Two players who can do well in the championship and if they prove to be good in the premier league between now and then and hell might freeze over could keep us up. Villa should be taking the pick of the championship players not likely to get promoted now.
Good shout all round
Yes this could be a decent approach. Ross McCormack is another.
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I think it would be entirely the wrong approach, apart from maybe Hughes, though he seems to have faded a bit.
Rhodes hasn't generally been first choice in a poor Blackburn team, Christ he was second fiddle to the useless lump we currently employ most of the time.
McCormack is a decent player but he'd cost top whack and he's 29.
Every season the Championship turns up a new name that bags 25 goals and becomes a hot property. Go and find that player for a change, itstead of one that's already had their day.
That's been our problem for far too long.
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It's the last week in January. Perhaps we will get somebody.
It will be brilliant if he is a striker.
It will be almost certainly somebody who thought he was going somewhere else.
I don't mind as long as we do get somebody great who will work with Remi and the team.
I most certainly do mind about the situation, but for now, let's just get some inspiration in, otherwise it's curtains.
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Jordan Rhodes would cost too much I think.
I think there is a reason why no one has come in for him at this point and why he can't get in the Scotland squad ahead of the likes of Leigh Griffiths. That reason is because he makes Darren Bent look like a hard working, all round striker. Having seen him play a few times over the years, he literally offers nothing outside the box. He would have gone by now if there weren't serious flaws in his game.
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I think it would be entirely the wrong approach, apart from maybe Hughes, though he seems to have faded a bit.
Rhodes hasn't generally been first choice in a poor Blackburn team, Christ he was second fiddle to the useless lump we currently employ most of the time.
McCormack is a decent player but he'd cost top whack and he's 29.
Every season the Championship turns up a new name that bags 25 goals and becomes a hot property. Go and find that player for a change, itstead of one that's already had their day.
That's been our problem for far too long.
He played 45 out of 46 games last season and scored more than Gestede so hardly second fiddle. He'd been injured this season but scored eight in twelve starts. He's averaged more than a goal every two games for a team generally mid to lower Championship.
If we were even vaguely competent next season, and if he stayed fit, you'd except him to score at least twenty goals for us.
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I would sooner have a punt on that Santos fella than pay 12m for Rhodes. It would be signing a less good version of Bent, with less pace, and less ability outside the box.
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He wouldn't be my number one choice on the planet, right now he'd seem a pretty exciting signing though. Anything to alleviate the gloom, at least for a brief while.
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Garde has made us hard to beat. We are picking up points and can totally survive relegation.
Stick a goalscorer in that team and we may have got three points against both Leicester and the Baggies putting us right back in the race. Fox throwing in the towel in feckin' January = yet another calamity cock-up under Randy Lerner's custodianship.
The decision-making would really break your heart.
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Let hope without a midweek game this week, we will have time to buy a striker this week.
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Let hope without a midweek game this week, we will have time to buy a striker this week.
We had a run of games that could have been wins, striker should have been in 1 January. We only had 22 points going into March last year. Three wins between now and March and we will actually have more points than we had the night we beat the Baggies at home in early March. They are crazy not to be fighting this, it could be done if we had a goalscorer.
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I'd suck someone off just to get someone who can cross a ball. I just don't get it... how can you be a pro footballer and not be able to cross a ball? Boils my piss.
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Boils my piss too!!! Was embarrassing yesterday the amount of times either from set pieces or open play we couldn't even beat the first man. Bacuna being the worst culprit, shocking for professional footballers it really is.
Actually the only time we did get decent balls in (Veretout) was ironically when both Kozak and Gestede had gone off!
I'd like us to go for Gayle, definitely has an eye for goal and has some pace too. Always looks a good player when I see him.
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Two from Gayle, Crouch and Leigh Griffiths - either on loan or perm - might work for us. But the most important factor is the ability of incomes to fit in straightaway, which would probably favour Crouch.
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Let hope without a midweek game this week, we will have time to buy a striker this week.
We had a run of games that could have been wins, striker should have been in 1 January. We only had 22 points going into March last year. Three wins between now and March and we will actually have more points than we had the night we beat the Baggies at home in early March. They are crazy not to be fighting this, it could be done if we had a goalscorer.
Yup. Yup and yup.
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Sixteen letters. Christian Benteke.
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There's more chance of us signing Christian Bale.
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Before the head tapping starts, the amount of abuse CB is getting at Liverpool has to be heard to be believed. Makes our comments about Gestede sound like mild tut tutting. His agent concocted the Liverpool deal that has blown up in his and his client's face. He has to showcase CB very quickly if his career is to be saved. Four months with us would give him his heroic status back instantly and a platform to move back to Europe with some reputation left.
Add to that Klopp is sufficiently volatile to bomb squad the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
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Brian I would love it in a Keeganesque-type way if the Beast came back but I suspect this will run in a similar vein to the James Milner posts
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Before the head tapping starts, the amount of abuse CB is getting at Liverpool has to be heard to be believed. Makes our comments about Gestede sound like mild tut tutting. His agent concocted the Liverpool deal that has blown up in his and his client's face. He has to showcase CB very quickly if his career is to be saved. Four months with us would give him his heroic status back instantly and a platform to move back to Europe with some reputation left.
Add to that Klopp is sufficiently volatile to bomb squad the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
The only problem with all that is if they were to let him go, they wouldn't (to my knowledge, I may be wrong) have another striker in their squad. There's that Ibe chap, but is he an out and out centre forward? It would be great for us obviously, but I just can't see it happening I'm afraid.
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Sturridge, Origi.
Still, not happening.
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Two from Gayle, Crouch and Leigh Griffiths - either on loan or perm - might work for us. But the most important factor is the ability of incomes to fit in straightaway, which would probably favour Crouch.
not very inspiring but this is the level we are at when looking for a Striker if indeed we are
add Ricky Lambert to that,
theres no point turning our nose up at these suggestions, the idea that anyone decent like Remy, Ibe, Benteke, Chamberline, could be coming are just pipe dreams
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Two from Gayle, Crouch and Leigh Griffiths - either on loan or perm - might work for us. But the most important factor is the ability of incomes to fit in straightaway, which would probably favour Crouch.
not very inspiring but this is the level we are at when looking for a Striker if indeed we are
add Ricky Lambert to that,
theres no point turning our nose up at these suggestions, the idea that anyone decent like Remy, Ibe, Benteke, Chamberline, could be coming are just pipe dreams
griffiths left wolves to be closer to his kids in scotland so cant see that happening
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I would put my outside chance of getting CB on loan until May theory another way. If his agent does not realise the only way to revive his client's imploded reputation is at Villa Park, I do not have the slightest doubt that Benteke's career will follow the same trajectory as Darius Vassell. The sojourn at Man City not being the gravy boat it is now. Turkey within two years is my guess.
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The only issue I'd take with that is that Benteke is a far, far better player than Vassell ever was. Obviously Liverpool aren't the right fit for him but I'm sure he'll go on to be a success elsewhere. We've no chance of getting him back.
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Sturridge, Origi.
Still, not happening.
I'd forgot about Origi. Sturridge is hardly ever fit. I agree though, it's a lovely thought but I can't see it.
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Dwight Gayle is a shout but apparently he is being swapped for Gomis at Swansea.
Good player, pacey, knows where the goal is, not bad in the air, *MAKES RUNS!!!!!* hense the last one! makes runs!
Crouch and him would be okay! I know it seems a long long way from the times of JPA, Carew or Benteke but thats the unfortunate state of our club at the moment.
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Imagine having Benteke and Remy together took the end of the season.
Wakes up. ..
Crouch would be useful.
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I would put my outside chance of getting CB on loan until May theory another way. If his agent does not realise the only way to revive his client's imploded reputation is at Villa Park, I do not have the slightest doubt that Benteke's career will follow the same trajectory as Darius Vassell. The sojourn at Man City not being the gravy boat it is now. Turkey within two years is my guess.
I'm with you Brian. If there is one 'silver bullet' solution to our woes, it's the big man. I'd offer them a big wedge, probably knock it off what they still owe, for the next few months. You've got an easier sell to him than probably any other player on earth, come home for 4 months son, get yourself firing where you know you're comfortable, save our arses again and get to lead the line in a major tournament for your country.
It's the least risky gamble we could take. If it cost us £10m in fees and wages, so what? The belief itself would rejuvenate the fans and the players.
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Imagine having Benteke and Remy together took the end of the season.
Wakes up. ..
Crouch would be useful.
Crouch is decent enough on the deck, but I think he'd suffer from the lack of crosses as well. Benteke isn't going to happen, but in my view he'd dovetail beautifully with Ayew
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Dwight Gayle is a shout but apparently he is being swapped for Gomis at Swansea.
Good player, pacey, knows where the goal is, not bad in the air, *MAKES RUNS!!!!!* hense the last one! makes runs!
Crouch and him would be okay! I know it seems a long long way from the times of JPA, Carew or Benteke but thats the unfortunate state of our club at the moment.
Seems like Gomis is off somewhere, not in Swansea's 18 yesterday. Rumours of Newcastle being interested too.
I'd like Gayle here. Pacey, mobile forward who I'd integrate now as I think he'd score a few goals between now and May and would do well next season in the Championship.
No thanks on Crouch though, he's 35.
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I think we've missed the boat now anyway with any signings. Albion, Leicester, Sunderland, key games we could have won.
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Charlie Austin should have been ours, but then wait he actually wants to play for a forward thinking club, with stable ownership, and a competive future... ;)
In a way I don't think we are too badly off strikers wise. The problem is that I don't think tectically we are direct or possitive enough to play to their strengths. And other factors such as Gestade still adapting to the top flight and injuries or lack of fitness in the case of Kozak, and a dip in form with Sinclair has hurt that end of the field.
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Charlie Austin should have been ours, but then wait he actually wants to play for a forward thinking club, with stable ownership, and a competive future... ;)
...and located on the South coast where his family are based.
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Before the head tapping starts, the amount of abuse CB is getting at Liverpool has to be heard to be believed. Makes our comments about Gestede sound like mild tut tutting. His agent concocted the Liverpool deal that has blown up in his and his client's face. He has to showcase CB very quickly if his career is to be saved. Four months with us would give him his heroic status back instantly and a platform to move back to Europe with some reputation left.
Add to that Klopp is sufficiently volatile to bomb squad the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
I'd dispute the comment about being the best Villa CF: in my opinion, Andy Gray's first stint with us was incomparable.
Whether he would return to us: I'd imagine his agent trying to find a Chumps League club to join, with perm or on loan. He's certainly wasting his time at Liverpool currently.
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Before the head tapping starts, the amount of abuse CB is getting at Liverpool has to be heard to be believed. Makes our comments about Gestede sound like mild tut tutting. His agent concocted the Liverpool deal that has blown up in his and his client's face. He has to showcase CB very quickly if his career is to be saved. Four months with us would give him his heroic status back instantly and a platform to move back to Europe with some reputation left.
Add to that Klopp is sufficiently volatile to bomb squad the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
I'd dispute the comment about being the best Villa CF: in my opinion, Andy Gray's first stint with us was incomparable.
Whether he would return to us: I'd imagine his agent trying to find a Chumps League club to join, with perm or on loan. He's certainly wasting his time at Liverpool currently.
To be fair both Lambert and Sherwood warned him about going to Liverpool. It is an expensive striker's graveyard, and Benteke as never going to fit in with the style of play expected up there. Shame... I think he'd have done much better going to Chelsea. He'll never come back to us though. Someone like West Ham might take him off their hands.. as much as it pains me to say.
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It is easy for us all to see with our claret & blue eyes why it would be a no brainer for CB to come home for (at least) the rest of the season - guaranteed adulation, certain starter, chance to turn our season around (albeit probably a month too late), but remember he angled for a move after the first season - Klopp has said recently he met him at an airport that summer to talk over a move to Dortmund and he wasn't prepared to stay or even listen to those who knew better this summer just gone. Sadly whilst I think he enjoyed his time at Villa he won't be looking back with wistful regret despite what has happened since. That said, if we were a forward thinking club we would at least sound him out (maybe we have, but then again...)
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Dwight Gayle is a shout but apparently he is being swapped for Gomis at Swansea.
Good player, pacey, knows where the goal is, not bad in the air, *MAKES RUNS!!!!!* hense the last one! makes runs!
Crouch and him would be okay! I know it seems a long long way from the times of JPA, Carew or Benteke but thats the unfortunate state of our club at the moment.
Seems like Gomis is off somewhere, not in Swansea's 18 yesterday. Rumours of Newcastle being interested too.
I'd like Gayle here. Pacey, mobile forward who I'd integrate now as I think he'd score a few goals between now and May and would do well next season in the Championship.
No thanks on Crouch though, he's 35.
Gomis was not in the squad due to his partner giving birth.
I'd like Gayle too though, he actually has a footballing brain unlike Sinclair and Gabby.
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Someone will get an absolute bargain when Liverpool sell Benteke.
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You are so right PWA. The art of victory is to capitalise on the mistakes of your enemies.
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Someone will get an absolute bargain when Liverpool sell Benteke.
And when they do the Liverpool fans will decry him as not being good enough to play the 'Liverpool way' whatever the fuck that is these days
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I'm not sure Benteke and Ayew are a good fit as the big man does his best work as the sole forward. I'd like to find out though.
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It will be incredibly annoying when Benteke eventually winds up at a Stoke or Newcastle, having gone via various top six benches when everybody knows his real home is Villa Park.
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Before the head tapping starts, the amount of abuse CB is getting at Liverpool has to be heard to be believed. Makes our comments about Gestede sound like mild tut tutting. His agent concocted the Liverpool deal that has blown up in his and his client's face. He has to showcase CB very quickly if his career is to be saved. Four months with us would give him his heroic status back instantly and a platform to move back to Europe with some reputation left.
Add to that Klopp is sufficiently volatile to bomb squad the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
I'd dispute the comment about being the best Villa CF: in my opinion, Andy Gray's first stint with us was incomparable.
Whether he would return to us: I'd imagine his agent trying to find a Chumps League club to join, with perm or on loan. He's certainly wasting his time at Liverpool currently.
Better than Gerry Hitchens? Better than Andy Gray first stint? Benteke doesn't even come close to those two. However there is no doubt he is a tremendous centre forward who has picked the wrong club to showcase his skills. Arsenal is where he should have gone. I think Christian's Cup Final non performance must have put Wenger off. Unfortunately he is not going to come back.
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This guy is currently 22 and almost certainly available, if not to buy, definitely on loan. Last year he was Championship Player of the Year so arguably 'future proof':
2012–2013 → Milton Keynes Dons (loan) 37 (18)
2014 → Derby County (loan) 21 (8)
2014–2015 → Middlesbrough (loan) 39 (17)
I'd prefer we buy a player like this than Crouch who will demand more money and have zero value in less than a year.
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Crouch on loan would an excellent addition. On a lengthy deal, it would be a daft move.
I doubt they'd let him go anyway. With the exception of Villa, most clubs like to have some strength in depth.
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I'd agree on Bamford, Gayle or this dutch Santos guy. They'd all add options at a good value for money. There's really no excuse for continuing with Kozak and Gestede as the only options.
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Santos sounds too good to be true. Has scored a ridiculous number of goals and plays at the NEC so wouldn't even need to move house.
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Can't believe the ol' number eight in brackets becoming a sunglassed-smilry has survived the tumult of the emojyisation of t'internet in the past few years. Far more staying power than Micah Richards anyway.
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Charlie Austin should have been ours, but then wait he actually wants to play for a forward thinking club, with stable ownership, and a competive future... ;)
...and located on the South coast where his family are based.
Not mention he said in November that he didn't want to sign for another club in a relegation battle (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-transfer-news-charlie-austin-doesnt-want-to-join-premier-league-strugglers-a3118711.html)
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If we don't buy a striker, any bleeding striker, then it just shows what a shockingly awful board we have. Criminal. A striker could save us.
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I think our crappy Christmas form cost us the chance of getting in anyone decent enough to keep us up.
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Charlie Austin should have been ours, but then wait he actually wants to play for a forward thinking club, with stable ownership, and a competive future... ;)
...and located on the South coast where his family are based.
Not mention he said in November that he didn't want to sign for another club in a relegation battle (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-transfer-news-charlie-austin-doesnt-want-to-join-premier-league-strugglers-a3118711.html)
Yeah, but to be fair none of the bigger clubs have been sniffing around him. He does smack of the sort of player who bottom end teams shoot in in Jan to get give that little extra in front of goal. A factor which makes the piece of business by the Saints and the price even more impressive.
I think our crappy Christmas form cost us the chance of getting in anyone decent enough to keep us up.
Not to mention that any lingering chance we had of staying up were killed over Christmas.
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Apparently we're still in for Remy.
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Apparently we're still in for Remy.
Does he know this?...
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Charlie Austin should have been ours, but then wait he actually wants to play for a forward thinking club, with stable ownership, and a competive future... ;)
...and located on the South coast where his family are based.
Not mention he said in November that he didn't want to sign for another club in a relegation battle (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-transfer-news-charlie-austin-doesnt-want-to-join-premier-league-strugglers-a3118711.html)
Yeah, but to be fair none of the bigger clubs have been sniffing around him. He does smack of the sort of player who bottom end teams shoot in in Jan to get give that little extra in front of goal. A factor which makes the piece of business by the Saints and the price even more impressive.
I think our crappy Christmas form cost us the chance of getting in anyone decent enough to keep us up.
Not to mention that any lingering chance we had of staying up were killed over Christmas.
He was in no rush to go anywhere, he's out of contract in the summer which opens up more opportunities for him. QPR were keen to cash in him. They put the high price on him in the summer to keep him and give themselves a shot at promotion. That plan's gone to rat shit so now it's a case of get what they can for him - see also ratus ratus. Southampton wanted him and the two clubs could agree a price = done deal.
Southampton fulfilled all of his wishes. PL club in no danger of getting dragged into a relegation scrap and down south which apparently makes his family life easier.
He was never going to get a chance at one of the teams at the top end. Southampton as a team comfortably in the second pack were as good as it was going to get.
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Someone I know is convinced The Beast is going to return on loan 'till the end of the season. Mind you he also thinks Timmy wasn't given a fair crack at proving himself.
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Someone I know is convinced The Beast is going to return on loan 'till the end of the season. Mind you he also thinks Timmy wasn't given a fair crack at proving himself.
To be fair Timmy definitely proved himself!
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Someone I know is convinced The Beast is going to return on loan 'till the end of the season. Mind you he also thinks Timmy wasn't given a fair crack at proving himself.
Does this someone have any reason / inside knowledge to think this, or just wishful thinking?
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Someone I know is convinced The Beast is going to return on loan 'till the end of the season. Mind you he also thinks Timmy wasn't given a fair crack at proving himself.
Does this someone have any reason / inside knowledge to think this, or just wishful thinking?
He has a couple of Scouse mates who tell him they're not impressed with Benteke and he also points to the fact that Klopp doesn't seem to rate him. So yes I reckon it's wishful thinking mixed with a dose of delusion.
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Crouchy was popular at Villa Park but not with DOL. One ineffective game against Man Utd and that was the excuse DOL needed to get rid of him. Either Crouch, Remy, Dwight Gayle or Jon Walters would give us a bit of a chance.
All are gettable but we shall see.
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I think I read that Crouch wasn't allowed to leave, can't see us getting Walters either although I am a fan
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Crouchy was popular at Villa Park but not with DOL. One ineffective game against Man Utd and that was the excuse DOL needed to get rid of him. Either Crouch, Remy, Dwight Gayle or Jon Walters would give us a bit of a chance.
All are gettable but we shall see.
I'm not sure Remy is gettable. Not for us anyway. He'll have too many other clubs after him.
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Apparently we're still in for Remy.
Does he know this?...
We could trick him - Robinho style
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I'd love to know who we've been scouting the past 6 months, seeing as from day one we've looked garbage up front. Apparently we have a horde of scouts, Striker should have been our number 1 target but they seemingly can't find anyone who fits the bill of being better than Gestede. It's not like we're asking for Alan Shearer in his pomp, just someone who can move a little bit more than a stalagmite.
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Remy should have been the player we replaced Benteke with.
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Sunderland, Norwich,Newcastle,Bournemouth, all relegation rivals and all buying quality forwards. Mr Lerner have you completely taken leave of your senses? This year more than any other is the year to spend. Fucking hell it's not rocket science is it? I'm watching sky sports news getting more and more angry the more I think about it.
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It's quite simple, we have given up. We found ourselves too far behind because of incompetent summer business and now have given up.
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It's quite simple, we have given up. We found ourselves too far behind because of incompetent summer business and now have given up.
Yes I agree. The words piss up and brewery spring to mind. Disgraceful way to run any organisation let alone our beloved Villa.
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I think he is a good player and would have taken him last summer. In fairness Pulis fc had 3 strikers on the pitch today but never looked like shooting at goal. What a fucking insult to football that knob is. No wonder Berahino is so desperate to get out.
Can't think who TSF is talking about in this article (http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/)
There is a manager in the Premier League right now, a manager who is causing problems for his club.
The manager wants to sell one of the club’s star players. He hasn’t been playing him but, for everyone on the outside looking in, he should have been.
It doesn’t make sense, right? Read on …
Apparently, the player has been training well, according to reports that I’ve heard. He’s got his head down lately but that might be because it’s January and he wants to leave. In fact, I know he wants to leave.
The players in the changing-room tell me that he wants to leave and they tell me that they want him to leave because he is a troublemaker. That isn’t a secret, either, because his reputation is that of a troublemaker.
But he’s a good player. And the club could really do with him right now.
The chairman doesn’t really want to sell him as he sees the player’s involvement as integral to the club’s Premier League survival. But the manager doesn’t.
But why would a manager want to sell a player who can help him to survive in the Premier League? Well, as you might have guessed, there is a reason for that.
The club in question could expect a transfer fee of around £30 million if they decide to cash in. But the chairman sees the bigger picture, namely that £30 million up front does not make up for £100 million lost if the club goes down.
However, the manager sees that he could have £30 million to spend on new talent. He can get three, maybe four, new players.
But January isn’t a friendly month for recruiting top talent. It is a stopgap month. It is a month that fills in the blanks with “ifs, buts and maybes”.
A cover in the centre-half position in case the first-choice pairing get injured? Sure, why not? For £5 million, it just might save the day.
A striker to come off the bench during the run-in to score a couple of vital goals? Sure, free transfer and a year’s contract on £75,000 a week, easy. It stacks up and makes sense.
It’s a bet that you can’t really lose so long as you can get rid of him if the worst should happen and you’re not massively overexposed for any length of time.
But this player isn’t a stopgap, he is a future star for a big club. Everybody knows it.
And that’s where the problem is. The chairman knows what is happening. He knows what his manager is doing. He knows that if he gives in and sells the player, then the manager will spend the money.
That’s not an inherently bad thing. His problem is that he knows where that money is going.
He knows that if the manager is given the money, he will only buy players that are brought to the club through his agent and, in the process, he will pocket a wacking great windfall through cuts of the transfer fee that he’ll split with his agent.
The chairman knows this and is digging his heels in. Everybody in football knows this.
The chairman knows that the manager will spend the money for the sake of spending it because he may not be there in the summer, anyway, and he wants as big a slice of that £30 million pie as he can get before he’s gone and a new manager comes in and the opportunity is lost.
And this is the problem that chairmen up and down the country have when they employ managers who they know to be stopgaps themselves.
Those managers go in, make hay while the sun shines, do the best they can tactically and take anything that isn’t nailed down with them when they are inevitably fired and the managerial cycle brings about the return to the club of the five-year-plan manager a year or two later.
At this moment, there is no trust between the club and the manager.
The chairman does not want to give him any proceeds from a sale of the player because he wants to maximise his return.
And the manager is trying every trick in the book to have the player sold by making him sit very publicly on the bench while telling the world what a great lad he is and that, at the moment, he just doesn’t fit into the style and shape of the team.
The problem for the chairman, besides having a very expensive asset sat on the bench that he is neither leveraging financially or benefitting from on the pitch, is that it will look incredibly odd if he sacks his manager now.
The manager has actually done OK for the club and, in terms of results, it is certainly a case of better the devil you know when it comes to securing Premier League status this campaign.
The player will be sold one day, probably in the summer, but my guess is that it won’t be while this manager is in charge.
In the meantime, we have to watch the starvation of a talented player caught between the stars and the personal agendas of unscrupulous people at the highest level, at the heart of our game.
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That article couldn't suggest Pulis more if you ran three stripes down its sides and popped a baseball cap on it.
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It's quite simple, we have given up. We found ourselves too far behind because of incompetent summer business and now have given up.
Yes I agree. The words piss up and brewery spring to mind. Disgraceful way to run any organisation let alone our beloved Villa.
Was just saying this to my lad. It's like we're just dropping out of the League quietly, no mess, no fuss.
Let's hope the same doesn't happen next season as well.
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That article couldn't suggest Pulis more if you ran three stripes down its sides and popped a baseball cap on it.
I wonder is that why Mourinho brought Falcao to Chelsea (knew he was likely buggered but at least he could share any fee with the agent shared by Mou/Cao).
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That article should be in the Modern Football is Shite part 2,367' thread.
Depressing, for any football fan.
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It's quite simple, we have given up. We found ourselves too far behind because of incompetent summer business and now have given up.
Yes I agree. The words piss up and brewery spring to mind. Disgraceful way to run any organisation let alone our beloved Villa.
Agree with above.
So our manager came in, knowing the chances of us going down where highly likely, so some one help me with the motivation of anyone at VP, including the guy currently in the hot seat. I'm now understanding why we didn't go for a manager with premiership experience - they wouldn't come. Randy your an arsehole.
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That article should be in the Modern Football is Shite part 2,367' thread.
Depressing, for any football fan.
Isn't it just.
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'All we are saying is give goals a chance.'
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That article should be in the Modern Football is Shite part 2,367' thread.
Depressing, for any football fan.
Surely in this day and age a manager can't get away with splitting fees with agents?
And how the hell doesn't Paul Kitson get sued for this?
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Kitson in turn splits his fees with other rogue secret footballers who keep the column fresh by offering different insights into the jolly japes and antics they all get up to in football world plc.
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Its not us. We do not have any players worth 30M who we are not playing as far as I know.
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That article should be in the Modern Football is Shite part 2,367' thread.
Depressing, for any football fan.
Surely in this day and age a manager can't get away with splitting fees with agents?
And how the hell doesn't Paul Kitson get sued for this?
I think you mean Dave Kitson.
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I think he is a good player and would have taken him last summer. In fairness Pulis fc had 3 strikers on the pitch today but never looked like shooting at goal. What a fucking insult to football that knob is. No wonder Berahino is so desperate to get out.
Can't think who TSF is talking about in this article (http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/29898/strange-case-of-star-player-caught-in-middle-of-chairman-manager-transfer-standoff/)
There is a manager in the Premier League right now, a manager who is causing problems for his club.
The manager wants to sell one of the club’s star players. He hasn’t been playing him but, for everyone on the outside looking in, he should have been.
It doesn’t make sense, right? Read on …
Apparently, the player has been training well, according to reports that I’ve heard. He’s got his head down lately but that might be because it’s January and he wants to leave. In fact, I know he wants to leave.
The players in the changing-room tell me that he wants to leave and they tell me that they want him to leave because he is a troublemaker. That isn’t a secret, either, because his reputation is that of a troublemaker.
But he’s a good player. And the club could really do with him right now.
The chairman doesn’t really want to sell him as he sees the player’s involvement as integral to the club’s Premier League survival. But the manager doesn’t.
But why would a manager want to sell a player who can help him to survive in the Premier League? Well, as you might have guessed, there is a reason for that.
The club in question could expect a transfer fee of around £30 million if they decide to cash in. But the chairman sees the bigger picture, namely that £30 million up front does not make up for £100 million lost if the club goes down.
However, the manager sees that he could have £30 million to spend on new talent. He can get three, maybe four, new players.
But January isn’t a friendly month for recruiting top talent. It is a stopgap month. It is a month that fills in the blanks with “ifs, buts and maybes”.
A cover in the centre-half position in case the first-choice pairing get injured? Sure, why not? For £5 million, it just might save the day.
A striker to come off the bench during the run-in to score a couple of vital goals? Sure, free transfer and a year’s contract on £75,000 a week, easy. It stacks up and makes sense.
It’s a bet that you can’t really lose so long as you can get rid of him if the worst should happen and you’re not massively overexposed for any length of time.
But this player isn’t a stopgap, he is a future star for a big club. Everybody knows it.
And that’s where the problem is. The chairman knows what is happening. He knows what his manager is doing. He knows that if he gives in and sells the player, then the manager will spend the money.
That’s not an inherently bad thing. His problem is that he knows where that money is going.
He knows that if the manager is given the money, he will only buy players that are brought to the club through his agent and, in the process, he will pocket a wacking great windfall through cuts of the transfer fee that he’ll split with his agent.
The chairman knows this and is digging his heels in. Everybody in football knows this.
The chairman knows that the manager will spend the money for the sake of spending it because he may not be there in the summer, anyway, and he wants as big a slice of that £30 million pie as he can get before he’s gone and a new manager comes in and the opportunity is lost.
And this is the problem that chairmen up and down the country have when they employ managers who they know to be stopgaps themselves.
Those managers go in, make hay while the sun shines, do the best they can tactically and take anything that isn’t nailed down with them when they are inevitably fired and the managerial cycle brings about the return to the club of the five-year-plan manager a year or two later.
At this moment, there is no trust between the club and the manager.
The chairman does not want to give him any proceeds from a sale of the player because he wants to maximise his return.
And the manager is trying every trick in the book to have the player sold by making him sit very publicly on the bench while telling the world what a great lad he is and that, at the moment, he just doesn’t fit into the style and shape of the team.
The problem for the chairman, besides having a very expensive asset sat on the bench that he is neither leveraging financially or benefitting from on the pitch, is that it will look incredibly odd if he sacks his manager now.
The manager has actually done OK for the club and, in terms of results, it is certainly a case of better the devil you know when it comes to securing Premier League status this campaign.
The player will be sold one day, probably in the summer, but my guess is that it won’t be while this manager is in charge.
In the meantime, we have to watch the starvation of a talented player caught between the stars and the personal agendas of unscrupulous people at the highest level, at the heart of our game.
am I missing something? Who is this quote meant to be from?
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Sssh! It's Top Secret!
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£30m for Berahino my arse. And he hasn't been training well if you look at the size of him at the minute.
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If Berahino is available for 10 millions, would you buy him for Villa ? Just asking. Is he another Agbonlahor.
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There wasn't too much thinly veiled about that article, the writer has been openly disparaging about Tiny Penis in that past. Though the writer was also one of Tiny Penis worst ever signings.
Just shows how woeful the FA are when managers taking a cut on player sales profit is openly tolerated.
Think it was Holloway who openly admitted he would be getting a cut on selling Charlie Adam while at Blackpool. Not sure if any of our recent managers have benefitted from such clauses
Managers dealing in preferred agents is an open secret too, whisky nose and sat fam nepotism knew no bounds in that regard. Always thought the association of Pascal Chimbonda and wrinkly face was a bit odd.
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If Berahino is available for 10 millions, would you buy him for Villa ? Just asking. Is he another Agbonlahor.
Without hesitation. He is a far better goalscorer than Gabby ever has been.
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If Berahino is available for 10 millions, would you buy him for Villa ? Just asking. Is he another Agbonlahor.
Yes. Actually I would pay a bit more than that if needed. We can afford it and he seems the kind of player we can use now and in the Championship.
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I would also go and buy Bamford if he is available as it being reported, he was excellent at Boro and would be a very good signing both for now to settle in but to lead the attack next season. In fact I think it is almost one you don't even have to think about. Just do it.
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Not sure if any of our recent managers have benefitted from such clauses
The rumour I heard was that MON was personally due a chunk of the milner money, hence why he would not leave until the deal was complete; the tribunal was him getting his share of the Ireland fee i.e. they disputed the new player's valuation.
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There wasn't too much thinly veiled about that article, the writer has been openly disparaging about Tiny Penis in that past. Though the writer was also one of Tiny Penis worst ever signings.
I know I'm being thick here, but who is the writer?
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There wasn't too much thinly veiled about that article, the writer has been openly disparaging about Tiny Penis in that past. Though the writer was also one of Tiny Penis worst ever signings.
I know I'm being thick here, but who is the writer?
Dave Kitson - at least, most of the time.
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I must be the only person on the planet that didn't know managers getting cuts of transfer fees was widespread. Surely they get paid enough without corrupting themselves, why can't the F.A ban such a practice or are they also getting a cut?
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As Yoda would say ''Up we have given''
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I must be the only person on the planet that didn't know managers getting cuts of transfer fees was widespread. Surely they get paid enough without corrupting themselves, why can't the F.A ban such a practice or are they also getting a cut?
Always happened hasn't it. From Clough and Ronnie Fenton with their brown envelopes on the M1 Services to Venables and his Arthur Daley deals through to 'Arry and his dog's offshore account
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I would also go and buy Bamford if he is available as it being reported, he was excellent at Boro and would be a very good signing both for now to settle in but to lead the attack next season. In fact I think it is almost one you don't even have to think about. Just do it.
Totally agree. We could even try before you buy with a loan deal if we're being really tight/cautious.
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I must be the only person on the planet that didn't know managers getting cuts of transfer fees was widespread. Surely they get paid enough without corrupting themselves, why can't the F.A ban such a practice or are they also getting a cut?
Always happened hasn't it. From Clough and Ronnie Fenton with their brown envelopes on the M1 Services to Venables and his Arthur Daley deals through to 'Arry and his dog's offshore account
Allegedly, the reason Morrisson was bombed out of West Ham - despite his form getting him in/close to the England squad - was because he refused to change his agent to Big Sam's preferred practice.
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I thought it was because he was mixed up in gang land culture and a complete wanker?
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I thought it was because he was mixed up in gang land culture and a complete wanker?
That is also true - maybe Sam wanted him to drop his 'gang' mates and sign with a proper agency and therefore the rumour was not the self-serving gesture as it was reported to me.
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I thought it was because he was mixed up in gang land culture and a complete wanker?
That is also true - maybe Sam wanted him to drop his 'gang' mates and sign with a proper agency and therefore the rumour was not the self-serving gesture as it was reported to me.
The (excellent) Football Fives podcast had an anecdote about Morrison - when he signed for Blues on loan, Clark and McDermott took him into a room, explained how he was going to fit into the team and McDermott said "we think that with the right application and guidance you could be the new Paul Gascoigne"
Morrison: "Who?"
Clark: "You'll know him as Gazza"
Morrison: "Who?"
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I thought it was because he was mixed up in gang land culture and a complete wanker?
That is also true - maybe Sam wanted him to drop his 'gang' mates and sign with a proper agency and therefore the rumour was not the self-serving gesture as it was reported to me.
The (excellent) Football Fives podcast had an anecdote about Morrison - when he signed for Blues on loan, Clark and McDermott took him into a room, explained how he was going to fit into the team and McDermott said "we think that with the right application and guidance you could be the new Paul Gascoigne"
Morrison: "Who?"
Clark: "You'll know him as Gazza"
Morrison: "Who?"
I read the same thing...but with Harry Redknapp claiming he was talking to Ravel about Gazza and got a WTF look back.
Don't tell me dear old 'arry is stealing other people's ancedotes now.
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Sack the board. Criminal.
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Just before the we're bottom and why the fcuk would anyone join us....just watching Sevilla-Levante.
Levante are bottom and as hopeless as we are and I doubt they pay anyone 60k a week like we do Richards.
They still signed Guiseppe Rossi, horrible luck with injuries but he's fit currently and scored on his debut for them.
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Sack the board. Criminal.
If only.
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They're two points adrift. We're six of 19th and would need to double our wins for the year to close the gap. Our failure to replace Benteke is what relegated us. The rot was too deep for Garde whose only just stopped the bleeding.
They've accepted relegation, they being the board following the defeat to Sunderland and I'd hope it was a collective decision rather than pulling the rug from under Garde funds wise.
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While I admit survival is improbable, get the right three wins and it's doable. I can't comprehend not giving it a go while there's still a possibility, as much as I can't comprehend why players will really want to come to us as a Championship side when they won't come to us as a Premier League side.
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I see Bamford has signed on loan at Norwich
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I see Bamford has signed on loan at Norwich
I rate him.Was red hot for Boro last season and we should have definitely gone for him.Hell, if it's about the dough I would have started a crowd funding issue for him.
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Now Norwich are not in for him, I would still go for that Haller from Urtrect. Looks like he would score goals in the Championship, young, good size and got a bit of skill from his highlights.
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We've given up haven't we? The club, not the fans
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We've given up haven't we? The club, not the fans
Yes pretty much on this season. Very, very disappointed.
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Even 300k on the lad scoring in Holland would be understandable. But nothing.
We needed 2 forwards, a midfielder and a keeper as a minimum to give us a fighting chance. We have got to a day before the deadline and I am hoping for Dwight Gayle and Jordan Rhodes to come because they will probably fire us back up next season, while realising there is no chance of us actually spending money.
Very pissed off with Villa.
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While I admit survival is improbable, get the right three wins and it's doable. I can't comprehend not giving it a go while there's still a possibility, as much as I can't comprehend why players will really want to come to us as a Championship side when they won't come to us as a Premier League side.
Then we'll be fishing in a different pool, for players to get us out of the Championship, rather than keep us in the Premiership. It is a different type of player, and the fact that we're not signing Championship players to 'bed them in' now is possibly the only sign we haven't thrown the towel in. That the slight chance we'll stay up is a good reason not to be signing and 'bedding in' championship players now. A reason not to be taking on contracts of players we are not sure will be at the standard we'll want for that point of the re-build if we stay up.
In the Championship we go from being the least attractive prospect for a player who is hoping for Premiership football, to being a pathway worth considering for a player wanting to get on the road there.
As a player, who wants to play in the top flight, right now, that just isn't what you think you'd be getting with us. Next season, there are players who would sign for us believing that we are headed back there, or even simply because we're pretty much the biggest noise in that division, & like we've said, on telly most weeks, giving them then best chance to make a name for themselves.
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While I admit survival is improbable, get the right three wins and it's doable. I can't comprehend not giving it a go while there's still a possibility, as much as I can't comprehend why players will really want to come to us as a Championship side when they won't come to us as a Premier League side.
Then we'll be fishing in a different pool, for players to get us out of the Championship, rather than keep us in the Premiership. It is a different type of player, and the fact that we're not signing Championship players to 'bed them in' now is possibly the only sign we haven't thrown the towel in. That the slight chance we'll stay up is a good reason not to be signing and 'bedding in' championship players now. A reason not to be taking on contracts of players we are not sure will be at the standard we'll want for that point of the re-build if we stay up.
In the Championship we go from being the least attractive prospect for a player who is hoping for Premiership football, to being a pathway worth considering for a player wanting to get on the road there.
As a player, who wants to play in the top flight, right now, that just isn't what you think you'd be getting with us. Next season, there are players who would sign for us believing that we are headed back there, or even simply because we're pretty much the biggest noise in that division, & like we've said, on telly most weeks, giving them then best chance to make a name for themselves.
Agree Amfy.
My lad said yesterday "oh well dad, least next season we'll be the big club in the league"
We'll be the club the top championship players will want to play for, one would think.
Yay a positive.
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We've given up haven't we? The club, not the fans
The Club hasn't given up - we are the Club. The clusterfcks and the custodian running the Club on our behalf have given up and it is both hugely frustrating and infuriating in equal measure. I thought it couldn't get worse than Ellis but I was wrong.
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Newcastle look to be signing players left right and centre. Very frustrating.
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Lerners not going to spend and no one wants to come here anyway, we go with what we've got and that, Ladies and Gentlemen is precisely sweet fuck-all.
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Bring the kids out. Sellars, Green, and anyone else who might inject a little bit of the unexpected and a bit of pace.
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I'd definitely start putting Rushian on the bench for starters.
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Bring the kids out. Sellars, Green, and anyone else who might inject a little bit of the unexpected and a bit of pace.
Absolutely this. There's nothing to lose. They can't be any worse and hopefully haven't picked up any poisonous traits from Zog, Richards, Gabby etc.
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We've given up haven't we? The club, not the fans
The Club hasn't given up - we are the Club. The clusterfcks and the custodian running the Club on our behalf have given up and it is both hugely frustrating and infuriating in equal measure. I thought it couldn't get worse than Ellis but I was wrong.
Absolutely
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We've given up haven't we? The club, not the fans
The Club hasn't given up - we are the Club. The clusterfcks and the custodian running the Club on our behalf have given up and it is both hugely frustrating and infuriating in equal measure. I thought it couldn't get worse than Ellis but I was wrong.
Absolutely
^^^This^^^
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Even 300k on the lad scoring in Holland would be understandable. But nothing.
We needed 2 forwards, a midfielder and a keeper as a minimum to give us a fighting chance. We have got to a day before the deadline and I am hoping for Dwight Gayle and Jordan Rhodes to come because they will probably fire us back up next season, while realising there is no chance of us actually spending money.
Very pissed off with Villa.
Rhodes was apparently after in excess of £100k per week so I think we can rule him out.
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If I had a kid there's no way I would expose them to this. I first went to Villa as an eight year old and I feel genuinely gutted about our predicament even though I'm well into my thirties. In hindsight it would have been better if I hadn't bothered.
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We've given up haven't we? The club, not the fans
The Club hasn't given up - we are the Club. The clusterfcks and the custodian running the Club on our behalf have given up and it is both hugely frustrating and infuriating in equal measure. I thought it couldn't get worse than Ellis but I was wrong.
Whilst I agree to an extent, unfortunately as much as the fans care what we think actually has no impact at all really. We've been fuming for a number of years and has that altered how the club has operated? Not at all in my eyes.
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We've given up haven't we? The club, not the fans
The Club hasn't given up - we are the Club. The clusterfcks and the custodian running the Club on our behalf have given up and it is both hugely frustrating and infuriating in equal measure. I thought it couldn't get worse than Ellis but I was wrong.
Whilst I agree to an extent, unfortunately as much as the fans care what we think actually has no impact at all really. We've been fuming for a number of years and has that altered how the club has operated? Not at all in my eyes.
Exactly. We've been alarmed for five years about the mayhem at the club. Only now they admit the club is in crisis.
All it needed was a strong manager.
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Rhodes wanted over 100k a week? Really? If true he has a poor agent.
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Hang on a sec...that's Jordan Rhodes yes, not Nick Rhodes or the A5 road north of Shrewsbury.
Jordan Rhodes wanted more than £100,000 a WEEK????!!!
Fuckity fuck.
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Signed a striker yet?