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Title: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on January 22, 2016, 03:32:20 PM
I see the above character sees fit to have a go at the fans who found it amusing that he should be appointed to the board ......

This is a person who took Villa for millions while he was under contract at B6 - maybe he feels he should repay that now?

Sorry but he is simply a failed footballer who works for a second rate radio station ...only person who thinks highly of him is himself .....when people disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks them

Afraid he is a nasty piece of work who uses Villa just to keep in the public eye

Everybody knows his past and he is not someone the club would want to be associated with ....... or am I being unfair on him?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: not3bad on January 22, 2016, 03:43:12 PM
When I read the first line I thought he had been appointed to the board for a minute.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: bill on January 22, 2016, 03:50:27 PM
I like him. :)
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: walsall villain on January 22, 2016, 03:51:31 PM
I see that you can't stand him. With regard to taking Villa for millions, wasn't he suffering from depression at the time?.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on January 22, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
He has been subject to some vile abuse on Twitter over the years, so while I can understand some of his reaction to people mocking/baiting him, he does seem hyper-touchy and a bit self-important these days and there's always been a bit of the pseudo-intellectual about him.
This is what he wrote after the AGM and after some people dared to disagree with him:

To some of AVFC "support"

38 years ago today i was given a very special present from my Sister. A ticket to my first Aston Villa game. A lifelong supporter, like many ever since.
 
So for highlighting for 5 years the continuing mess the hierarchy of the club have placed this great institution in i've been increasingly mocked, lied about, goaded and disrespected to the point that its time to set one or two things straight and end any campaign to highlight Villa in the national media ( good luck in finding someone else by the way).
 
According to one blogger at the recent AGM, when my name was suggested for the Vila board, the room "erupted with laughter".
 
That's interesting, as while i'm broadcasting at the European Championships this summer, plying my trade at a company i've helped go from League 2 to winning the Premier League within 5 years ( Sony Radio Station of the Year, Sports Journalist Association winner, the most respected and longest sports journalism awards in the UK), those laughing at the AGM will have taken a club who have spent 70% ( check the stats) of its existence in the top half of the top flight, into possible titanic battles with Walsall, Burton and Gillingham next seaosn. With those laughing jolly bloggers trying desperately, like every other club fans who's club have failed to get on phone in shows like mine to "highlight their cause".
 
As for the personal slurs from some sections of Villa's support, keep them coming, it only reminds me that a football fan base is a collection of individuals who come together weekly to support a team, you aren't my family, you aren't my friends, so i'll continue to treat you on social media with the same contempt that you show me.
 
It seems some make the suggestion that having several horrific years as a player at Villa means i cant be a true supporter of the club.
 
By that logic, Gabby, Jack and Joleon, 3 lifelong Villa fans would be at the top of the assists ,goals charts and defensive blocks at the club this season because they should be always more productive than any other player from outside? Because their support of the club should match their output ? Afraid football, just like life, isn't that simple.
 
To those Villans who appreciate trying to keep Villa on a national platform, feel free to give me a shout, i'll always offer my support in any way i can.
 
To those who laughed at the AGM at the thought of "Collymore" on a Villa board...
 
The current board are doing fine, aren't they?
Those holding the board to account are doing fine, arent they?
 

See you at the Bescot or Pirelli Stadium next season. Time for me to concentrate on the other 91 clubs.
 



Stanley Victor Collymore. Aston Villa fan for 38 years.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Billy Walker on January 22, 2016, 03:56:24 PM
I'm right behind him. He's the only high profile Villa fan in the media that we have at the moment who is prepared to give Lerner et al a tough time. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 22, 2016, 03:56:49 PM
I see that you can't stand him. With regard to taking Villa for millions, wasn't he suffering from depression at the time?.

only when he got dropped against fulham, when he beat up ulrika and got caught dogging

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 03:57:20 PM
I see the above character sees fit to have a go at the fans who found it amusing that he should be appointed to the board ......

This is a person who took Villa for millions while he was under contract at B6 - maybe he feels he should repay that now?

Sorry but he is simply a failed footballer who works for a second rate radio station ...only person who thinks highly of him is himself .....when people disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks them

Afraid he is a nasty piece of work who uses Villa just to keep in the public eye

Everybody knows his past and he is not someone the club would want to be associated with ....... or am I being unfair on him?

Firstly he was not a second rate footballer, he was a bloody good one, also I don't remember anyone laughing at him at the AGM last night, so I think someone's winding him up there.
Actually I quite like what he says about our club and in general.
I don't get with the 'he's a nasty piece of work either'. What's that actually based on, is it something to do with him hitting Ulrika Johnson all those years ago?
Live and let live and all that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 22, 2016, 03:57:29 PM

Afraid he is a nasty piece of work who uses Villa just to keep in the public eye


Do you really think that?

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 03:58:22 PM
I'm right behind him. He's the only high profile Villa fan in the media that we have at the moment who is prepared to give Lerner et al a tough time. 

Yep, me too.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dalians umbrella on January 22, 2016, 03:58:36 PM
I see that you can't stand him. With regard to taking Villa for millions, wasn't he suffering from depression at the time?.

only when he got dropped against fulham, when he beat up ulrika and got caught dogging

Two of these would normally preclude someone from being a Board Member.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2016, 04:03:17 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.

He was punished for it and as far as I know he's never done it again. Perhaps he's been rehabilitated. Has that crossed your mind at all?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: itbrvilla on January 22, 2016, 04:13:31 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.

He was punished for it and as far as I know he's never done it again. Perhaps he's been rehabilitated. Has that crossed your mind at all?
Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2016, 04:17:02 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.

He was punished for it and as far as I know he's never done it again. Perhaps he's been rehabilitated. Has that crossed your mind at all?

I'll stick to thinking that anyone that punches and kicks a woman in the head multiple times and threatens to kill her is a scumbag.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on January 22, 2016, 04:19:40 PM
I see that you can't stand him. With regard to taking Villa for millions, wasn't he suffering from depression at the time?.

only when he got dropped against fulham, when he beat up ulrika and got caught dogging

Two of these would normally preclude someone from being a Board Member.

Not at West Ham, they'd bin your application form if you didn't have at least a couple of those under your belt.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on January 22, 2016, 04:21:42 PM
The thought of Stan giving our lot stick for a half arsed lack of effort and fight brings to mind a saying about housebricks and greenhouses. I generally like him nowadays but he's on a very sticky wicket given his time here.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: tomd2103 on January 22, 2016, 04:28:23 PM
I like him. :)

I listen to some of his shows on the radio, as I think he makes some good points.  He does, however, seem prone to getting into spats on social media that he should just rise above and not take the bait.  Easier said than done I suppose, but we all know exactly what some people out there are like (especially with the anonymity that social media provides), so in a perverse way high profile figures like Stan should know that there are always going to be a minority of idiots and accept it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 22, 2016, 04:29:10 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.

He was punished for it and as far as I know he's never done it again. Perhaps he's been rehabilitated. Has that crossed your mind at all?

I'll stick to thinking that anyone that punches and kicks a woman in the head multiple times and threatens to kill her is a scumbag.

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Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ad@m on January 22, 2016, 04:29:15 PM
The thought of Stan giving our lot stick for a half arsed lack of effort and fight brings to mind a saying about housebricks and greenhouses. I generally like him nowadays but he's on a very sticky wicket given his time here.

Yeah, but that goal against Atletico Madrid...

My memory's crap and I'd struggle to tell you the results from this season's nightmare but I can remember that goal like it was yesterday.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: avfcdale on January 22, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.

"Rodney I only ever hit your mother in self defence" Reg Trotter 1986

He was punished for it and as far as I know he's never done it again. Perhaps he's been rehabilitated. Has that crossed your mind at all?

I'll stick to thinking that anyone that punches and kicks a woman in the head multiple times and threatens to kill her is a scumbag.

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Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SO Villa on January 22, 2016, 04:55:01 PM
I've been sceptical of Collymore's credibility as a Villa fan since he was interviewed at his unveiling and mentioned "Villa won the European Cup in 1981".
Add that to some of the comments in his autobiography and makes his media persona as a rabid lifelong Villa fan a bit hard to stomach.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.

He was punished for it and as far as I know he's never done it again. Perhaps he's been rehabilitated. Has that crossed your mind at all?

I'll stick to thinking that anyone that punches and kicks a woman in the head multiple times and threatens to kill her is a scumbag.

And I'll stick to believing that people can be punished and then rehabilitated which I think has happened to Collymore.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 04:56:53 PM
I've been sceptical of Collymore's credibility as a Villa fan since he was interviewed at his unveiling and mentioned "Villa won the European Cup in 1981".
Add that to some of the comments in his autobiography and makes his media persona as a rabid lifelong Villa fan a bit hard to stomach.

Why would anyone lie about being a Villa fan, really?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 22, 2016, 05:01:05 PM
He's a very passionate Villa fan like so many on here. I absolutely don't agree with all that he says and especially about how he has handled his position in the media vs the club/board. He obviously has a huge problem with the current board, but the way he has been public in his condemnation would make anyone who buys the club from Randy equally skeptical of engaging with him or not doing things as he would want.

That said a lot of what he says is right and we are all hurting in different ways. As for his hitting women. It's something that should never be glossed over.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ormy Droid on January 22, 2016, 05:02:19 PM
I've been sceptical of Collymore's credibility as a Villa fan since he was interviewed at his unveiling and mentioned "Villa won the European Cup in 1981".
Add that to some of the comments in his autobiography and makes his media persona as a rabid lifelong Villa fan a bit hard to stomach.

Why would anyone lie about being a Villa fan, really?

Maybe he's looking ahead to one day reaching the higher echelons of political office
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 05:04:28 PM
He's a very passionate Villa fan like so many on here. I absolutely don't agree with all that he says and especially about how he has handled his position in the media vs the club/board. He obviously has a huge problem with the current board, but the way he has been public in his condemnation would make anyone who buys the club from Randy equally skeptical of engaging with him or not doing things as he would want.

That said a lot of what he says is right and we are all hurting in different ways. As for his hitting women. It's something that should never be glossed over.

Also it shouldn't be brought up as a tool to discredit everything he says either.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: CT Villan on January 22, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
..."and end any campaign to highlight Villa in the national media ( good luck in finding someone else by the way)."

This is the bit that gets me most. Surely a real Villa fan would never give up and flounce out like that ?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: passport1 on January 22, 2016, 05:05:34 PM
SVC and social media should be kept apart. I remember Ian Taylor ( I think) saying that he was one of the easiest players to wind up .

Having said that he seems passionate about Villa and his condemnation of the current ownership which doesn't make him all bad in my opinion.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 05:05:41 PM
I've been sceptical of Collymore's credibility as a Villa fan since he was interviewed at his unveiling and mentioned "Villa won the European Cup in 1981".
Add that to some of the comments in his autobiography and makes his media persona as a rabid lifelong Villa fan a bit hard to stomach.

Why would anyone lie about being a Villa fan, really?

Maybe he's looking ahead to one day reaching the higher echelons of political office

Yeah right. He's a Villa fan, let's not pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 22, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
He does get very defensive on social media and maybe should count to 100 before he posts and tweets, but he's not alone on that. I think it's good to have a Villa fan with a high profile media job. His views on our recent appointments at board and other levels have been spot on, doesn't sugar coat things like other ex players.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2016, 05:14:48 PM
He's a very passionate Villa fan like so many on here. I absolutely don't agree with all that he says and especially about how he has handled his position in the media vs the club/board. He obviously has a huge problem with the current board, but the way he has been public in his condemnation would make anyone who buys the club from Randy equally skeptical of engaging with him or not doing things as he would want.

That said a lot of what he says is right and we are all hurting in different ways. As for his hitting women. It's something that should never be glossed over.

Also it shouldn't be brought up as a tool to discredit everything he says either.

I never said it discredited what he says. I said he's a scumbag for doing it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dave on January 22, 2016, 05:17:05 PM
I've been sceptical of Collymore's credibility as a Villa fan since he was interviewed at his unveiling and mentioned "Villa won the European Cup in 1981".
Add that to some of the comments in his autobiography and makes his media persona as a rabid lifelong Villa fan a bit hard to stomach.

Why would anyone lie about being a Villa fan, really?

Maybe he's looking ahead to one day reaching the higher echelons of political office

Yeah right. He's a Villa fan, let's not pretend otherwise.

It was a joke.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
He's a very passionate Villa fan like so many on here. I absolutely don't agree with all that he says and especially about how he has handled his position in the media vs the club/board. He obviously has a huge problem with the current board, but the way he has been public in his condemnation would make anyone who buys the club from Randy equally skeptical of engaging with him or not doing things as he would want.

That said a lot of what he says is right and we are all hurting in different ways. As for his hitting women. It's something that should never be glossed over.

Also it shouldn't be brought up as a tool to discredit everything he says either.

I never said it discredited what he says. I said he's a scumbag for doing it.

Good for you, but I don't think he's a scumbag. I think he's learned from his mistakes all those years ago and has been rehabilitated. I also don't think it has any relation to what he does for a living these days and it helps no one by continuing to bring it up whenever he speaks out about any subject.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2016, 05:19:26 PM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.
And a foreign woman at that...so I also don't see a problem here.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2016, 05:26:16 PM
He's a very passionate Villa fan like so many on here. I absolutely don't agree with all that he says and especially about how he has handled his position in the media vs the club/board. He obviously has a huge problem with the current board, but the way he has been public in his condemnation would make anyone who buys the club from Randy equally skeptical of engaging with him or not doing things as he would want.

That said a lot of what he says is right and we are all hurting in different ways. As for his hitting women. It's something that should never be glossed over.

Also it shouldn't be brought up as a tool to discredit everything he says either.

I never said it discredited what he says. I said he's a scumbag for doing it.

Good for you, but I don't think he's a scumbag. I think he's learned from his mistakes all those years ago and has been rehabilitated. I also don't think it has any relation to what he does for a living these days and it helps no one by continuing to bring it up whenever he speaks out about any subject.

So we're agreed then, I never said it discredited what he says.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 05:29:52 PM
He's a very passionate Villa fan like so many on here. I absolutely don't agree with all that he says and especially about how he has handled his position in the media vs the club/board. He obviously has a huge problem with the current board, but the way he has been public in his condemnation would make anyone who buys the club from Randy equally skeptical of engaging with him or not doing things as he would want.

That said a lot of what he says is right and we are all hurting in different ways. As for his hitting women. It's something that should never be glossed over.

Also it shouldn't be brought up as a tool to discredit everything he says either.

I never said it discredited what he says. I said he's a scumbag for doing it.

Good for you, but I don't think he's a scumbag. I think he's learned from his mistakes all those years ago and has been rehabilitated. I also don't think it has any relation to what he does for a living these days and it helps no one by continuing to bring it up whenever he speaks out about any subject.

So we're agreed then, I never said it discredited what he says.

Why bring it up then?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2016, 05:32:35 PM
You brought up it discrediting him. My first comment was after you said live and live that he kicked a woman in the head. What exactly did I bring up?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2016, 05:35:06 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 22, 2016, 05:39:19 PM
What has Stan's experience of the game been that would qualify him to be on the board?

The others suggested - Little, Taylor, Stride etc all have experience within the decision making processes in football. Collymore has experience of working for a radio station.

What would be the point of appointing a 'Villa man' to the board to provide input in football related decisions and then appointing someone with no experience in this at all?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.

Collymore destroyed Little's managerial career, really?
Interesting.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 05:42:41 PM
What has Stan's experience of the game been that would qualify him to be on the board?

The others suggested - Little, Taylor, Stride etc all have experience within the decision making processes in football. Collymore has experience of working for a radio station.

What would be the point of appointing a 'Villa man' to the board to provide input in football related decisions and then appointing someone with no experience in this at all?

It's be said before on here but if we had a man on the board who understood football and Villa (perhaps someone like Stride) he may have talked sense into the muppet who decided it might be a good idea to employ the manager who had just relegated Small Heath just weeks earlier. It would have been worth it just for that alone.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 22, 2016, 05:56:16 PM
What has Stan's experience of the game been that would qualify him to be on the board?

The others suggested - Little, Taylor, Stride etc all have experience within the decision making processes in football. Collymore has experience of working for a radio station.

What would be the point of appointing a 'Villa man' to the board to provide input in football related decisions and then appointing someone with no experience in this at all?

It's be said before on here but if we had a man on the board who understood football and Villa (perhaps someone like Stride) he may have talked sense into the muppet who decided it might be a good idea to employ the manager who had just relegated Small Heath just weeks earlier. It would have been worth it just for that alone.

And what has been Stan's experience in football decision making, other than a player and radio commentator?

The 'someone like Stride' bit, fair enough, but to suggest Collymore as the much-discussed respected, experienced voice of football on the board is laughable in my view.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 05:59:02 PM
What has Stan's experience of the game been that would qualify him to be on the board?

The others suggested - Little, Taylor, Stride etc all have experience within the decision making processes in football. Collymore has experience of working for a radio station.

What would be the point of appointing a 'Villa man' to the board to provide input in football related decisions and then appointing someone with no experience in this at all?

It's be said before on here but if we had a man on the board who understood football and Villa (perhaps someone like Stride) he may have talked sense into the muppet who decided it might be a good idea to employ the manager who had just relegated Small Heath just weeks earlier. It would have been worth it just for that alone.

And what has been Stan's experience in football decision making, other than a player and radio commentator?

The 'someone like Stride' bit, fair enough, but to suggest Collymore as the much-discussed respected, experienced voice of football on the board is laughable in my view.

Hang on a second, I haven't called for Collymore to be on the board. I'd like to see someone on the board who knows about a Villa and football in general.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 22, 2016, 05:59:45 PM
Didn't he write in his book that all Villa fans are Range Rover driving snobs from Worcester or Stafford?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 22, 2016, 06:09:50 PM
I liked him until he said Villa should sack everyone but Kevin mac .
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on January 22, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
I don't mind him but he is a gobshite and whilst he does get a lot of stick online that response isn't exactly the most well reasoned.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2016, 06:43:03 PM
Regarding the Ulrika incident, I think we can all agree what a disgusting thing it was that he did. He can have absolutely no excuses for it but it was a long   time ago and it's something I think and hope he'll regret every day for the rest of his life.

As for his rant today, well it was all a bit 'me me me' wasn't it really? I mean, what's with all this 'I'm off to concentrate on the other 91 clubs' all about? Can you imagine someone like Ian Taylor coming out with a comment like that? What he should be doing instead of getting on his high horse and picking fights with the board on the eve of a local derby, is using his platform to encourage every Villa fan to get behind the team tomorrow and for the rest of the season. 'See you at Bescot' just doesn't cut it from a man who says 'my team Aston Villa' on Talksport every 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: KevinGage on January 22, 2016, 06:45:00 PM
He's a very passionate Villa fan like so many on here.

I'm not so sure TV. 

There are the comments in his autobiography; Villa fans all being middle class Range Rover drivers from Lichfield, unlike those sporting salt of the earth Scousers.

How from his first press conference he looked at the all seater Holte and felt the club wasn't the one he supported growing up.

From memory (and the memory could be playing tricks) I think he also partly used the slide in status he suffered by joining Villa on his destructive relationship with Urik ka ka and subsequent depression.

There was also an interview in the old 90 minutes magazine his Forest days when he was asked about the Villa and  said: "People always ask me that, but I went to the Wolves more than the Villa. Villa was just the first match I went to."

He wouldn't be unlike some other characters I know, in so far as he has some degree of affinity for the club. Plenty would say if asked that they are Villa fans, owing to friends or family ties. But in truth, they're not too fussed wither way if we win or lose.

It's only really since he's been at talksport that he has come across as some rabid Villa fan, so it seems more of  an attempt to cultivate a 'real fan' persona and doesn't quite ring true with me.

But I guess only SVC truly knows.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 22, 2016, 07:10:43 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.

No one player makes or breaks a managers career. If you ever put yourself in that position of reliance then its bad management anyway.
On this basis you could just as easily say David Platt made Graham Taylors career, or JPA made DOLs career (for one season).
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 22, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.

No one player makes or breaks a managers career. If you ever put yourself in that position of reliance then its bad management anyway.
On this basis you could just as easily say David Platt made Graham Taylors career, or JPA made DOLs career (for one season).

Taylor had already done his best work years before Platt whereas looking at Little's career it was all uphill until he signed Collymore, and down after that. Collymore wasn't the only reason but he was definitely a major factor.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2016, 07:18:39 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.

No one player makes or breaks a managers career. If you ever put yourself in that position of reliance then its bad management anyway.
On this basis you could just as easily say David Platt made Graham Taylors career, or JPA made DOLs career (for one season).

Taylor had already done his best work years before Platt whereas looking at Little's career it was all uphill until he signed Collymore, and down after that. Collymore wasn't the only reason but he was definitely a major factor.
Agreed and that included the onfield problem of trying to accommodate him with Yorke and Savo.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 22, 2016, 07:35:33 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.

No one player makes or breaks a managers career. If you ever put yourself in that position of reliance then its bad management anyway.
On this basis you could just as easily say David Platt made Graham Taylors career, or JPA made DOLs career (for one season).

Taylor had already done his best work years before Platt whereas looking at Little's career it was all uphill until he signed Collymore, and down after that. Collymore wasn't the only reason but he was definitely a major factor.
Agreed and that included the onfield problem of trying to accommodate him with Yorke and Savo.

Was Collymore really a Little signing or an Ellis one ? Most the players brought in by Little before that were in their early/mid 20s on the rise in their careers and ready to reach their peak. Southgate and Wright being just two examples coming immediately to mind. Collymore had peaked at Forest and was falling away at Liverpool and didn't fit that mould.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 22, 2016, 07:36:34 PM

Was Collymore really a Little signing or an Ellis one ? Most the players brought in by Little before that were in their early/mid 20s on the rise in their careers and ready to reach their peak. Southgate and Wright being just two examples coming immediately to mind. Collymore had peaked at Forest and was falling away at Liverpool and didn't fit that mould.

Little. The whole "Ellis signed the players" thing was well over-stated. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2016, 07:41:05 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.

No one player makes or breaks a managers career. If you ever put yourself in that position of reliance then its bad management anyway.
On this basis you could just as easily say David Platt made Graham Taylors career, or JPA made DOLs career (for one season).

Taylor had already done his best work years before Platt whereas looking at Little's career it was all uphill until he signed Collymore, and down after that. Collymore wasn't the only reason but he was definitely a major factor.
Agreed and that included the onfield problem of trying to accommodate him with Yorke and Savo.

Was Collymore really a Little signing or an Ellis one ? Most the players brought in by Little before that were in their early/mid 20s on the rise in their careers and ready to reach their peak. Southgate and Wright being just two examples coming immediately to mind. Collymore had peaked at Forest and was falling away at Liverpool and didn't fit that mould.
Little certainly took responsibility on the radio the other night, so it was down to Little. I don't think Collymore had peaked, he was allready having mental problems at Liverpool.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: CT on January 22, 2016, 07:43:43 PM
I think I saw the majority of Stan's games, and for me, one summed it all up perfectly.

Bolton away, we won 1-0, Savo scored. Ball gets pinged up to Stan, and in one movement he controls the ball and lays it perfectly off for the winger to cross. Amazing technique.

Stan stood and watched. Never moved. The cross came in and no one was in the box. Stan had so much talent but barely ever broke sweat for us.

I'm glad he's a voice for Villa in the media but I can think of many better candidates to be our "football man" on the board.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 22, 2016, 07:45:02 PM

Was Collymore really a Little signing or an Ellis one ? Most the players brought in by Little before that were in their early/mid 20s on the rise in their careers and ready to reach their peak. Southgate and Wright being just two examples coming immediately to mind. Collymore had peaked at Forest and was falling away at Liverpool and didn't fit that mould.

Little. The whole "Ellis signed the players" thing was well over-stated. 

I agree. I  think it was Little searching out all those young not that well known players who were nearly all hits not misses. Everybody knew about Collymore, I wonder who suggested Collymore for Villa first. Little or Ellis ?   
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LTA on January 22, 2016, 07:45:03 PM
Dwight Yorke was pretty critical of SVC in his book.  Said he was the only teammate at Villa he never really got on with as he got the impression that he "swanned in thinking he could take over the place".

Plus Ian Taylor said on the radio not too long ago that he had his own opinions on Stan which he'd keep to himself.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: johnny from donny on January 22, 2016, 07:46:32 PM
Just to clarify; has Stan said he wants to be appointed to the board?  As far as I can tell, he's been repeatedly mocked on twitter for stating his opinion on how the club is performing. I think he's just decided he's had enough.
He's been honest enough to admit that (a) he's made mistakes in his life. And (b) his career at Villa was , in his own words," terrible" neither of these facts make his opinion any more or less valid than any other fan.

I actually enjoy listening to him on the radio, he seems well researched on the teams he's commentating on and he makes fair points regardless of which team he's talking about on his phone in shows.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 22, 2016, 07:49:01 PM
Dwight Yorke was pretty critical of SVC in his book.  Said he was the only teammate at Villa he never really got on with as he got the impression that he "swanned in thinking he could take over the place".

Plus Ian Taylor said on the radio not too long ago that he had his own opinions on Stan which he'd keep to himself.

And yet, anyone who was in the Mad Dog in San Francisco on the day Stan arrived would have seen the delight in their faces. It was like one of those cartoons where the starving in the desert character sees his mate as trussed like a turkey, only with Stan they all saw a Premiership (I can say that because that's what it was then) winners medal on his shoulders. Four months and about eight games later the stories about him and them started to break.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on January 22, 2016, 07:52:17 PM
Didn't he write in his book that all Villa fans are Range Rover driving snobs from Worcester or Stafford?

Yes and that apparently you don't see Villa fans in Birmingham. The guy talks out of his arse and changes position to suit whatever the media scrum or agenda is that month. He was hardly Villa's biggest critic whilst he was saying his piece in the programme. He's just throwing his toys out of the pram.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: john e on January 22, 2016, 07:56:07 PM
Stan was never a 6/7 out of ten player every week,
he was a 8/9 out of ten one week then a 3 out of ten the following 5

I remember games I think second half against Arsenal when we were 2 down at HT and another against Athletico Madrid where he was virtually unplayable, then other times he was the worst player you ever saw in a Villa shirt
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on January 22, 2016, 07:57:14 PM
Collymore's biggest fan is himself. He always had, and still does have a fucking massive ego. He's that sort of guy you can imagine down the pub. You talk to him for a bit and for 10 minutes you think "he's alright." Then you start eyeing the exit because it becomes apparent that he's not remotely interested in anything you have to say that doesn't revolve around him and you leave some time later safely assured that the man is a gobshite.

SVC will often raise some good points, but when it comes to reasoned argument he's no good and the high opinion he seems to have of himself never quite helps him either.

I think Gregory once said something along the lines that Collymore had as much if not more talent than Thierry Henry but his fatal flaw was that he was far too self absorbed to be a team player, and ultimately that's a big failing and also a reason why his career from his second season at Liverpool just seemed to go increasingly downhill before snowballing off a cliff into early retirement. He may have had problems with depression and behavioural issues, but he wasn't the only player who has or ever will suffer, and it doesn't make you exempt from having the right attitude on the pitch. Gary Speed as an example springs to mind. Sometimes people are too quick to make excuses.

Two of the best forwards England has produced in 30 years were Dalian and SVC. One can only imagine if they had the work ethic and reliability to match their talent, but then again you could argue they'd never have ended up here, even in the days we could attract a big name player.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 22, 2016, 08:03:07 PM
I've written plenty about Stan and I'm still undecided about him. On the one hand the way he was treated in some quarters when the depression story broke was disgraceful and I regret that I was in the "What's he got to be depressed about?" camp back then. On the other hand, it does seem a convenient excuse for his subsequent behaviour.

What I do believe is that he's his own worst enemy; you can't be as outspoken as him and at the same time be so thin-skinned. Again, I'm not sure how much of this can be put down to what reason and I hope it doesn't sound unsympathetic but he does strike me as in some way enjoying victim status. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 22, 2016, 08:04:45 PM
Loads of undoubted talent, a loose cannon, a reputation for trouble, a career of up and downs, and brought into a team of young players that was being carefully nurtured and built. I could be talking about Cantona or Collymore.
You take the chance and  roll the dice and see if the square peg fits into the round hole. What a bloody crying shame it didn't come off.   
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 08:05:18 PM
The man still suffers from mental illness so who knows what state of mind he is at the moment.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ron Manager on January 22, 2016, 08:08:13 PM
I rather get the feeling that Collymore only has twitter to look forward to when he gets home. It's all a bit sad.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2016, 08:13:31 PM
I was going to use the words 'thin skinned' in my post earlier which Dave hinted. The fact that people laughed at the thought of him being on the board shouldn't bother him in the slightest really.

I do like him on Talk Sport though, even if he does over stress the point that he supports us.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on January 22, 2016, 08:16:05 PM
I've written plenty about Stan and I'm still undecided about him. On the one hand the way he was treated in some quarters when the depression story broke was disgraceful and I regret that I was in the "What's he got to be depressed about?" camp back then. On the other hand, it does seem a convenient excuse for his subsequent behaviour.

What I do believe is that he's his own worst enemy; you can't be as outspoken as him and at the same time be so thin-skinned. Again, I'm not sure how much of this can be put down to what reason and I hope it doesn't sound unsympathetic but he does strike me as in some way enjoying victim status. 
Well without getting into an off topic debate we do like a good excuse in this country and we do love a good label. But some of his behaviour, regardless of depression was simply inexcusable. There's been repugnant behaviour as we all know, but at the same time he has done some pretty moronic things in his time. The Leicester training camp incident was one had an enormous gamble taken on him, to do that after a few weeks at a new club at a point where his career is at a crossroads is probably one of the most blithering and foolish things an experienced footballer has ever done.

You are correct though, he is his own worst enemy. Just when you think SVC has a voice of reason and can sum up the general mood of the Villa fans, he'll come out the next day and say something completely contradictory which alienates himself from us. Consistency, in any form, has never been one of his strong points.

I would say that now, particularly after Speed's death, depression in football is more widely recognised. You'd like to think clubs are more well equipped to deal with depression or behavioural issues now. I mean 20 years ago would anyone have had a clue about sports psychologists? But if Stan was plying his trade now would he be any different? I don't think he would. The club might not have acted as sympathetically as it could (and most other clubs would have been no different) but Stan was his own worst enemy. He does have a touch of the "woe is me" about him and I don't say that merely about his depression, but anytime someone gets at him, for whatever reason as that rant seems to clearly suggest.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Harte on January 22, 2016, 08:19:32 PM
I thought SVC had sacked Twitter off a while back after they'd refused to act on racist abuse he'd received.

Regarding who he supported, I'd always assumed it was Wolves in the past - during his Liverpool days when they'd not got a Saturday game he'd regularly be seen watching games at The Molyneux. His performances for Villa didn't make me change my mind much. Additionally, I used to work with someone who knew him from school. He described him as a Wolves fan who was always in fights.

An important point was made earlier that hasn't been dwelled on; one of the attendees suggesting that there was no laughter. Was SVC being played up by someone, or is it an attempt at self promotion?

I gather he is still on medication for his depression. Not and excuse for battering a former weather presenter, but perhaps an explanation for his out-of-sorts form for Villa.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Tuscans on January 22, 2016, 08:27:26 PM
He adores his own voice on the radio, he just talks over every person who call's the show.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2016, 08:30:21 PM
To be honest, the amount of wrong-headed pundits in the media that just don't get us is counter-balanced by Collymore who, while often a little wide of the mark too, at least sticks up for us.
The amount of times we're force-fed no-marks like Danny Mills asking, agog, ''What do Villa fans expect exactly?'' makes me want to smash up the radio.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on January 22, 2016, 08:35:26 PM
That said, I will always love his reaction to the equalizer in the 3-3 with Chelsea a few years back. That was quality.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lizz on January 22, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
I remember reading Collymore's autobiography (written with the help of Emily Bishop's son). He recalled the death of one of his sisters. He asked his mom if she minded if he didn't attend the funeral as he'd booked a holiday which clashed with the date of the funeral and didn't want to cancel his holiday. His mom said she didn't mind, so he went on holiday. Not sure what my point is, other than it illustrates one of my probably many annoying opinions sometimes told to my friends and family - there's no right or wrong, there's just what people do. Even if me/they think it's strange.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nelly on January 22, 2016, 08:48:42 PM
I like Collymore, God knows how I'd react to constant racist abuse and general cruel behaviour towards me. I don't blame him for lashing out, it must feel pretty lonely to take that and come out the other side.

I've enjoyed having a strong Villa voice in the media, someone to remind the Sky generation of who Villa are. That said I don't think he's really qualified to be on the board of Aston Villa. Then again, who really is?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SirSteveUK on January 22, 2016, 08:48:59 PM
Every time I see his full name - why do I always think of "Porridge"?

 ;)
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: tomd2103 on January 22, 2016, 09:29:14 PM
I like Collymore, God knows how I'd react to constant racist abuse and general cruel behaviour towards me. I don't blame him for lashing out, it must feel pretty lonely to take that and come out the other side.

I've enjoyed having a strong Villa voice in the media, someone to remind the Sky generation of who Villa are. That said I don't think he's really qualified to be on the board of Aston Villa. Then again, who really is?

Depends on the requirements of the role really.  I think Ian Taylor would be a good shout and one name I haven't seen mentioned is Stilyan Petrov. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2016, 09:30:54 PM
Well said Stan.  In the absence of anyone else on the playing side having the balls to go public I'm with him on it.  Whatever he's done or not done I hope the laughter didn't happen because it's horrible if it did.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 22, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
I thought SVC had sacked Twitter off a while back after they'd refused to act on racist abuse he'd received.

Regarding who he supported, I'd always assumed it was Wolves in the past - during his Liverpool days when they'd not got a Saturday game he'd regularly be seen watching games at The Molyneux. His performances for Villa didn't make me change my mind much. Additionally, I used to work with someone who knew him from school. He described him as a Wolves fan who was always in fights.

An important point was made earlier that hasn't been dwelled on; one of the attendees suggesting that there was no laughter. Was SVC being played up by someone, or is it an attempt at self promotion?

I gather he is still on medication for his depression. Not and excuse for battering a former weather presenter, but perhaps an explanation for his out-of-sorts form for Villa.

You're never cured of depression once you've had a severe depressive episode, you're always a depressive waiting for the next episode.

Most psychiatrists these days will prescribe a lowish dose of a mild anti depressive as a preventive measure and to soften the blow when the inevitable happens. It will also make ramping up to full dosage quicker if required.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on January 22, 2016, 10:04:43 PM
I thought SVC had sacked Twitter off a while back after they'd refused to act on racist abuse he'd received.

Regarding who he supported, I'd always assumed it was Wolves in the past - during his Liverpool days when they'd not got a Saturday game he'd regularly be seen watching games at The Molyneux. His performances for Villa didn't make me change my mind much. Additionally, I used to work with someone who knew him from school. He described him as a Wolves fan who was always in fights.

An important point was made earlier that hasn't been dwelled on; one of the attendees suggesting that there was no laughter. Was SVC being played up by someone, or is it an attempt at self promotion?

I gather he is still on medication for his depression. Not and excuse for battering a former weather presenter, but perhaps an explanation for his out-of-sorts form for Villa.

There wasn't much mileage in being a Wolves fan in the great media Premier League wankfest. Looks like he's still backed the wrong horse in his late change of allegiance if we go down. He'll have to switch to the Baggies...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 22, 2016, 10:06:28 PM
I was delighted when he joined us but what a waster he turned out be as a player.
Depression or not he destroyed Sir Brian's managerial career and ..... as for board appointment  yes get him in as he has made a good recovery and now is the highest profile ex player we have in football.

No one player makes or breaks a managers career. If you ever put yourself in that position of reliance then its bad management anyway.
On this basis you could just as easily say David Platt made Graham Taylors career, or JPA made DOLs career (for one season).

Taylor had already done his best work years before Platt whereas looking at Little's career it was all uphill until he signed Collymore, and down after that. Collymore wasn't the only reason but he was definitely a major factor.

I've always felt that the Curcic transfer going south after a briefly promising start was the first wobble.
I think it was the end of the season before we signed Collymore there was an article in the fanzine bemoaning the fact that we needed "a manager who could manipulate the top end of the market effectively."
Collymore and all the baggage that came with him was a wrecking ball straight through everything Little had built up to that point.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: villalion on January 22, 2016, 10:22:13 PM
Every time I see his full name - why do I always think of "Porridge"?

Because anybody who slaps a women about should go to prison for 5 years
 ;)
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 22, 2016, 10:24:18 PM
I've written plenty about Stan and I'm still undecided about him. On the one hand the way he was treated in some quarters when the depression story broke was disgraceful and I regret that I was in the "What's he got to be depressed about?" camp back then. On the other hand, it does seem a convenient excuse for his subsequent behaviour.

1What I do believe is that he's his own worst enemy; you can't be as outspoken as him and at the same time be so thin-skinned. Again, I'm not sure how much of this can be put down to what reason and I hope it doesn't sound unsympathetic but he does strike me as in some way enjoying victim status. 
Well without getting into an off topic debate we do like a good excuse in this country and we do love a good label. 2But some of his behaviour, regardless of depression was simply inexcusable. There's been repugnant behaviour as we all know, but at the same time he has done some pretty moronic things in his time. The Leicester training camp incident was one had an enormous gamble taken on him, to do that after a few weeks at a new club at a point where his career is at a crossroads is probably one of the most blithering and foolish things an experienced footballer has ever done.

You are correct though, he is his own worst enemy. Just when you think SVC has a voice of reason and can sum up the general mood of the Villa fans, he'll come out the next day and say something completely contradictory which alienates himself from us. Consistency, in any form, has never been one of his strong points.

I would say that now, particularly after Speed's death, depression in football is more widely recognised. You'd like to think clubs are more well equipped to deal with depression or behavioural issues now. I mean 20 years ago would anyone have had a clue about sports psychologists? But if Stan was plying his trade now would he be any different? I don't think he would. The club might not have acted as sympathetically as it could (and most other clubs would have been no different) but Stan was his own worst enemy. He does have a touch of the "woe is me" about him and I don't say that merely about his depression, but anytime someone gets at him, for whatever reason as that rant seems to clearly suggest.

1. Yet another aspect of depression for some people. Self loathing / low self-esteem boil over and can be expressed pretty violently, either in words as per the rant, or physically as with Ulrika. Then you come down and realise that, at best, you've made a complete arse of yourself and you know the kick back you've got coming. If you're naturally think skinned anyway, it's twice as bad right now.

Tom, the same applies to the highlighted bit as above, but point 2, there's a difference between an excuse and a reason or an explanation. If you can show sympathy or empathy for some like McGrath when the temptation to drink gets too much, then the same should apply to someone having a depressive episode. Not trying to compare them as men or footballers, just troubled, high profile ex footballers. Both with their problems, both have done things for which there really are no excuses whilst prey to their troubles, albeit McGrath's have been embarrassing rather than criminal.

As a general point, no two depressive episodes for an individual are the same, let alone two depressive individuals. The only thing psychologists and psychiatrists have to work with is some general characteristics and typical responses.  As an example of how imprecise all of this is, lithium chloride is the most widely prescribed and most effective treatment for controlling bi-polar disorder. No one on the planet can explain how or why it works, it just does.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nelly on January 22, 2016, 10:39:09 PM
I like Collymore, God knows how I'd react to constant racist abuse and general cruel behaviour towards me. I don't blame him for lashing out, it must feel pretty lonely to take that and come out the other side.

I've enjoyed having a strong Villa voice in the media, someone to remind the Sky generation of who Villa are. That said I don't think he's really qualified to be on the board of Aston Villa. Then again, who really is?

Depends on the requirements of the role really.  I think Ian Taylor would be a good shout and one name I haven't seen mentioned is Stilyan Petrov. 

Taylor I wouldn't disagree with but Petrov I'd be surprised at. Why would he be a good board member for Aston Villa, sentiment aside?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: tomd2103 on January 22, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
I like Collymore, God knows how I'd react to constant racist abuse and general cruel behaviour towards me. I don't blame him for lashing out, it must feel pretty lonely to take that and come out the other side.

I've enjoyed having a strong Villa voice in the media, someone to remind the Sky generation of who Villa are. That said I don't think he's really qualified to be on the board of Aston Villa. Then again, who really is?

Depends on the requirements of the role really.  I think Ian Taylor would be a good shout and one name I haven't seen mentioned is Stilyan Petrov. 

Taylor I wouldn't disagree with but Petrov I'd be surprised at. Why would he be a good board member for Aston Villa, sentiment aside?

Been involved fairly recent in different roles at the club.  Well thought of by both fans and people at the club.  I'm not saying he is a definite, but I wouldn't be surprised to see his name mentioned.   
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 22, 2016, 10:58:58 PM
I like Collymore, God knows how I'd react to constant racist abuse and general cruel behaviour towards me. I don't blame him for lashing out, it must feel pretty lonely to take that and come out the other side.

I've enjoyed having a strong Villa voice in the media, someone to remind the Sky generation of who Villa are. That said I don't think he's really qualified to be on the board of Aston Villa. Then again, who really is?

Depends on the requirements of the role really.  I think Ian Taylor would be a good shout and one name I haven't seen mentioned is Stilyan Petrov. 

Taylor I wouldn't disagree with but Petrov I'd be surprised at. Why would he be a good board member for Aston Villa, sentiment aside?

Been involved fairly recent in different roles at the club.  Well thought of by both fans and people at the club.  I'm not saying he is a definite, but I wouldn't be surprised to see his name mentioned.

I'd say that Taylor was more the sentimental choice and Petrov the more rational choice. Who outside of us knows Ian Taylor?

If we're talking about someone to make our case in the media and be taken seriously, Petrov has played for us more recently and he's more high profile due to also playing for Celtic and Bulgaria.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2016, 11:13:37 PM
I like Collymore, God knows how I'd react to constant racist abuse and general cruel behaviour towards me. I don't blame him for lashing out, it must feel pretty lonely to take that and come out the other side.

I've enjoyed having a strong Villa voice in the media, someone to remind the Sky generation of who Villa are. That said I don't think he's really qualified to be on the board of Aston Villa. Then again, who really is?

Depends on the requirements of the role really.  I think Ian Taylor would be a good shout and one name I haven't seen mentioned is Stilyan Petrov. 

Taylor I wouldn't disagree with but Petrov I'd be surprised at. Why would he be a good board member for Aston Villa, sentiment aside?

Been involved fairly recent in different roles at the club.  Well thought of by both fans and people at the club.  I'm not saying he is a definite, but I wouldn't be surprised to see his name mentioned.

I'd say that Taylor was more the sentimental choice and Petrov the more rational choice. Who outside of us knows Ian Taylor?

If we're talking about someone to make our case in the media and be taken seriously, Petrov has played for us more recently and he's more high profile due to also playing for Celtic and Bulgaria.


He's mostly high-profile to the general sporting public for his battle with leukaemia, surely?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nelly on January 22, 2016, 11:29:59 PM
If the role is just a sort of mouthpiece for the club then sure, I see your point on Petrov. I'd still argue that Taylor is a genuine Villa fan, has won a trophy with us and generally has a long and celebrated history with the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Matt C on January 22, 2016, 11:31:35 PM
I think he's a pretty reasonable pundit, comparatively speaking, as long as he's not talking about the Villa when he loses all rationality and often ends up looking a bit daft frankly.

I'm much the same.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LTA on January 22, 2016, 11:33:04 PM
Tayls would be a great shout.  Already at the club, a genuine fan and a very underrated player in an excellent side.  Plus I believe he already has a flourishing business away from the game.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Axl Rose on January 23, 2016, 01:11:04 AM
Some of the behaviour in his personal life has been bad. I'm sure it's the same for most people. I cannot condone his beating of a woman, and rightly so.

However, as a football player, I liked him a lot. I remember one particular game against Spurs in 1998 (Dublin's debut), where he was on fire. Him, Dublin and Merson-jesus christ, what I'd give for that trio now.

As for twitter and the media-Twitter in general seems absolutely rammed with degenerates. Some attitudes and opinions are truly laughable-that some people can get away with murder on there as regards to what they say(bigotry, hatred, racism, homophobia) means I'll never be setting up an account whilst I live on this Earth. Maybe it's just the football media side of Twitter and certain fans that post that I'm referring to, as I've never looked at any other topics/news items.

Anyway, I like Stan for the simple reason that he will not stop having a dig at our dreadful board and their ineptitude. Fair play to him for that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 23, 2016, 02:48:18 AM
I thought SVC had sacked Twitter off a while back after they'd refused to act on racist abuse he'd received.

Regarding who he supported, I'd always assumed it was Wolves in the past - during his Liverpool days when they'd not got a Saturday game he'd regularly be seen watching games at The Molyneux. His performances for Villa didn't make me change my mind much. Additionally, I used to work with someone who knew him from school. He described him as a Wolves fan who was always in fights.

An important point was made earlier that hasn't been dwelled on; one of the attendees suggesting that there was no laughter. Was SVC being played up by someone, or is it an attempt at self promotion?

I gather he is still on medication for his depression. Not and excuse for battering a former weather presenter, but perhaps an explanation for his out-of-sorts form for Villa.

You're never cured of depression once you've had a severe depressive episode, you're always a depressive waiting for the next episode.

Most psychiatrists these days will prescribe a lowish dose of a mild anti depressive as a preventive measure and to soften the blow when the inevitable happens. It will also make ramping up to full dosage quicker if required.



Spot on Villa in Denmark.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2016, 06:10:22 AM
Well said VID. Much needed voice of informed maturity.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villafirst on January 23, 2016, 07:21:43 AM
Collymore tells it from the heart. He's right, almost too much apathy and acceptance from some sections of the support. Lerner deserves both barrels on his tenure which has dragged the club into a complete mess over the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on January 23, 2016, 09:22:52 AM
Yeah live and let live, he only hit a woman. Can't think why anyone finds that the actions of a scumbag.

He was punished for it and as far as I know he's never done it again. Perhaps he's been rehabilitated. Has that crossed your mind at all?

I'll stick to thinking that anyone that punches and kicks a woman in the head multiple times and threatens to kill her is a scumbag.

Is this true? I remember him saying he struck her once with an open hand and would have gone to court over it but Ulrika didn't want to. I think this was about three years ago.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on January 23, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
Regarding the Ulrika incident, I think we can all agree what a disgusting thing it was that he did. He can have absolutely no excuses for it but it was a long   time ago and it's something I think and hope he'll regret every day for the rest of his life.

As for his rant today, well it was all a bit 'me me me' wasn't it really? I mean, what's with all this 'I'm off to concentrate on the other 91 clubs' all about? Can you imagine someone like Ian Taylor coming out with a comment like that? What he should be doing instead of getting on his high horse and picking fights with the board on the eve of a local derby, is using his platform to encourage every Villa fan to get behind the team tomorrow and for the rest of the season. 'See you at Bescot' just doesn't cut it from a man who says 'my team Aston Villa' on Talksport every 5 minutes.

I've seen that sort of stuff from Villa fans on my Twitter feed.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ZhongYi on January 23, 2016, 10:18:31 AM
Some good views here particularly the Dwight Yorke comment earlier. Was TV show once where Stan's intention of making his views forthright first cae when he did a realiity tv show as a member of a celebrity mock jury including Jeffrey Archer and Micheal Portillo. He was a strong voice on that although he did ask for the barrister with 3 kids' phone number.  Dspite that it was clear even then he fancied himself as a person to get his views across. And re talkSPORT any Villa link on TS imo is good as we have had a few good ones down the years, Houghton, Townsend, Gray etc. Dont think many other clubs have that kind of link with that station certainly not presenter wise anyway.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2016, 10:30:43 AM
Tbh I'll never forgive his antics while a player at AVFC. He ruined our best side in 20 years and Brian Little never recovered as a manager from dealing with him either. Look at the pests in our dressing room now, Gabby, Nzogbia etc, SVC trumps them and more with his outrageous unprofessionalism.

Showed his outrageous talent at Forest but the warning signs were firmly on when his stint at Liverpool was coming to an end.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nev on January 23, 2016, 12:36:40 PM
There is no point blaming Collymore for being crap at Villa, the signs were there. It was a risk buying him and it didn't pay off.

I was one of the few that were less than enthused about his arrival, and then had to sit and watch my fears played out on the pitch.

Although it's nice to have such a rare thing as a positive voice regarding Villa in the media, I think he takes it too far, particularly cheering in the press box. It's unprofessional and calls into question his ability to view the game from a neutral standpoint.

Is he really Villa? It appears that he has contradicted his current loyalty on many occasions but that is probably down to his complex, and ultimately flawed personality.

As for his outburst this week, it's pretty juvenile and does him no favours.

Still, after hearing those two clowns post Leicester last week on Talksport, Collymore is like a giant of broadcasting and a genius at reading the game.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2016, 12:47:04 PM
A lot of people have been asking for one of us to be representative of us either in the boardroom or in the press. 

We get one here and because he's annoyed some people a few times he isn't the right sort of snow on the lines so to speak.  We do come across as whinging gits at times (and I'm one of them).
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: FarEastVilla on January 23, 2016, 02:04:35 PM
From what I can remember Stan had the choice of us or Liverpool at the time , and he went to Liverpool , and thereafter us. We never saw the best of him for us and as fans we and the manager at the time we thought he was the missing link in the team that season to push us towards the title or top 3 finish - I could be wrong on all above - HOWEVER , whether its Prince William, Cameron,  Our Nige (Nigel Kennedy) Tom Hanks , I treat them as a Villa brother - Stan always sings our praises and is a genuine fan. And as an ex  Villa  player I may not appreciate him as much as a high profile  / successful commentator/pundit /journalist. quite  I am proud that this well known celebrity pundit  is a Villa fan ...and one of us. When I turn on to Talk Sport and hear Stan , the first thing through my mind when I hear is voice is 1- Villa Fan 2 - Football Pundit 3 - Ex Villa Player.  (Sorry to all those other Villa celebs I left out...)

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Rigadon on January 23, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
I have no feelings either way for Stan Collymore.   The rant is pathetic though.  As if we;re supposed to be grateful he's a fan and says so on the radio.  Deary me.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on January 23, 2016, 02:45:14 PM
It all seemed to spring from one person tweeting about the "erupted with laughter" thing, despite many others then discrediting that.

He can be very good (as a football pundit) or very embarrassing (as a social/political commentator), and this abdication as King of the Villa Fans is just a bit childish.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: UK Redsox on January 23, 2016, 02:56:47 PM
Walking up the slope to The Hawthorns I overheard a bloke say that SVC should be on the Board
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 03:01:30 PM
I wouldn't want someone on the board, involved in any decisions, who is likely to throw a tantrum and his toys out of the pram at the smallest of slights or when he doesn't get his own way.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2016, 06:34:47 PM
And when someone on the board disagrees with Collymore is he just going to start shouting louder?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 23, 2016, 08:09:44 PM
At best he promotes The Villa, at worst he is a total embarrassment.   

He puts himself out to be some sort of super fan which he isn't.   

Give me 20 Nigel Kennedy's any day.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 23, 2016, 09:57:03 PM
Give me 20 Nigel Kennedy's any day.

How do you intend to orchestrate this ?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on January 23, 2016, 09:58:12 PM
Give me 20 Nigel Kennedy's any day.

How do you intend to orchestrate this ?
It'll just end in violins.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 23, 2016, 10:03:16 PM
Give me 20 Nigel Kennedy's any day.

How do you intend to orchestrate this ?
It'll just end in violins.
Which is unacceptable conduct
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2016, 10:03:53 PM
Give me 20 Nigel Kennedy's any day.

How do you intend to orchestrate this ?
It'll just end in violins.

Rather violins than violence eh?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on January 23, 2016, 10:14:45 PM
Give me 20 Nigel Kennedy's any day.

How do you intend to orchestrate this ?

He'll sort out those on the fiddle...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: four fornicholl on January 23, 2016, 10:18:23 PM
Give me 20 Nigel Kennedy's any day.

How do you intend to orchestrate this ?

He'll sort out those on the fiddle...
stop stringing everyone along please
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Pete3206 on January 23, 2016, 10:18:33 PM
Whose pulling the strings here?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Bad English on January 23, 2016, 10:37:39 PM
Nigel will give us four seasons, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 23, 2016, 11:15:35 PM
Nigel will give us four seasons, that's for sure.
Well this sure as he'll is our winter of discontent.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on January 23, 2016, 11:18:48 PM
I hear that Nigel fingered Viola once.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 23, 2016, 11:34:38 PM
There's something a bit fishy about that claim.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: in exile on January 25, 2016, 04:54:41 PM
It comes to something when you come on here to conduct a conversation just to be met by a punathon
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 25, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
It comes to something when you come on here to conduct a conversation just to be met by a punathon

No more puns please. Lets PROMise its the LAST NIGHT.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2016, 05:10:00 PM
It comes to something when you come on here to conduct a conversation just to be met by a punathon

No more puns please. Lets PROMise its the LAST NIGHT.

That is a TENORus link
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: spartacuss on January 25, 2016, 05:11:06 PM
Still, Nigel would have no frets about producing sounds from a Stanivarius.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Louzie0 on January 25, 2016, 05:13:26 PM
Still, Nigel would have no frets about producing sounds from a Stanivarius.
Take a bow!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Still, Nigel would have no frets about producing sounds from a Stanivarius.
Take a bow!

ok I will have to check Google
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 25, 2016, 05:18:22 PM
Still, Nigel would have no frets about producing sounds from a Stanivarius.

Presumably in the key of B flat.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Bad English on January 26, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
Thinking about it, Nigel would be a great symbol for the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 26, 2016, 11:30:47 AM
Well he might drum up a bit more interest.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2016, 11:59:33 AM
It comes to something when you come on here to conduct a conversation just to be met by a punathon

You Mae be right but we enjoy our puns around here
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 26, 2016, 12:04:41 PM
It comes to something when you come on here to conduct a conversation just to be met by a punathon

You Mae be right but we enjoy our puns around here

Yeh, who di you think you are ?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: rob_bridge on January 26, 2016, 12:32:08 PM
Collymore on the board. No thanks.

He belongs on Talkshite - perfect bedfellows. '...I'm going to concentrate on the other 91 clubs...'
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 26, 2016, 12:45:39 PM
Does anyone know when Collymore changed from supporting Wolves to Supporting Villa? All the articles I've seen from about 20 years ago describe him as a boyhood Wolves fan
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nev on January 26, 2016, 01:00:49 PM
Does anyone know when Collymore changed from supporting Wolves to Supporting Villa? All the articles I've seen from about 20 years ago describe him as a boyhood Wolves fan

From memory it was when we started paying his wages.....
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
Does anyone know when Collymore changed from supporting Wolves to Supporting Villa? All the articles I've seen from about 20 years ago describe him as a boyhood Wolves fan

From memory it was when we started paying his wages.....

That's not true. I remember reading an interview with him before he joined Forest where he talked of his support for Villa and his hero Gary Shaw.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2016, 01:46:03 PM
It comes to something when you come on here to conduct a conversation just to be met by a punathon

You Mae be right but we enjoy our puns around here

Yeh, who di you think you are ?

I was trying to think of a way to get that one in as well. Well done
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: VancouverLion on January 26, 2016, 11:49:07 PM
Cracking player on his day sadly for Stan those days were few and far between, for us anyway.
Wanted him so badly to be the missing piece of the jigsaw, just never happened unfortunately for us and him.

Any of you there when he signed? they opened the lower north, I was there with my then 3 year old. When Stan came out on to the pitch we were all singing "Oh Stanley Stanley" and my nipper decided to carry this on when it died down - he was on my shoulders, We were at the back of the lower. Paul Stretford came walking up to the front and called for us to come down, we ended up on the pitch with Stan and Doug, my lad still has the ball Stan signed for him that day.
If my memory serves me right there was a pic in the next day match program, anyone got a copy?...
UTV!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 26, 2016, 11:58:25 PM
My dislike for SVC has nothing to do with Villa, Liverpool, or even kicking Ulrika ka ka's head on the half volley. It's because to me he comes across as an egotistical, self absorbed gobshite. It's been mentioned that he is all 'me me me' and 'thin skinned' on this thread and they are bang on.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 31, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/stan-collymore-slams-aston-villa-7661409

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on March 31, 2016, 12:30:51 PM
Another Collymore sales pitch is it?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: nodge on March 31, 2016, 12:34:57 PM
I wish he'd use a capital I.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: RussellC on March 31, 2016, 12:37:59 PM
Collymore has his obvious faults, but reading that I can't help but think that he'd actually be of some use to the club in some capacity, this summer, if not necessarily longer term.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: not3bad on March 31, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
To be fair to him it's quite a comprehensive look at the current state of the club (at least as comprehensive as an article in the Daily Mirror can get).  He does seem very convinced of what he can offer.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: robbo1874 on March 31, 2016, 12:45:21 PM
Collymore? No way. Car crash written all over it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: robbo1874 on March 31, 2016, 12:47:08 PM
I'd sooner get Roy Keane back
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2016, 12:55:33 PM
Quote
Former Aston Villa striker turned broadcaster Stan Collymore.
Never one to stay quiet on all things Aston Villa, Stan Collymore has written a lengthy opinion article on Twitter giving his thoughts on everything happening at the club.

The former Villa player and current talkSPORT presenter spoke out in very honest fashion about the state of the club and how he believes he can help at the club.

This is Stan's article in full....

"After recent events at Villa Park where the club finally made some positive changes to move the club on from the frankly feckless Tom Fox, Henrick Almstadt and increasingly forlorn Remi Garde, i though it was time to let Villa fans ( the ones who listen rather than make things up or snipe on social media, and who are as far outside the tent as its possible to be), to give some considered thoughts on the situation, bearing in mind i'm quite happy with the general knowledge of what's going on at our club presently.

"Mr Lerner wants to sell, nothing new there, but it is my firm belief that there may be at least one interested party who is monitoring developments at the club, and an educated guess would be, are waiting for the selling price to drop to bargain levels before securing a purchase.

"This should be worrying to Villa fans as the lower the price gets, the chances of a cash rich billionaire decreases, and the possibility of a rogue buyer, with little real cash of their own comes to the table, so be warned.

"It may be better the devil we know for the next couple of years, and like Mike Ashley at Newcastle United, have a situation where Mr Lerner, with the right people in charge , gets the club back to the Premier League, finds his "love" for Villa is stronger than present and he gets his 300 million back in installments by having a solvent, cash rich Premier League club on his hands once again. Not ideal, but preferable with no one out there with serious amounts of cash. We've had one rookie owner mess things up, another would see us off.

"Most know i set out some points at the tail end of last year, many have already been implemented from admin level sackings, to appointing Villa people in and around the club.

"Not for romanticism, although the club does need a lift, but because these people care deeply about the club and want to be around to rebuild trust between the most important people, the supporters, the players and move us all forward. So i'm delighted that these comments and posts have largely turned into reality, especially the appointment of Brian Little on an advisory basis.

"As for the appointments thus far...

"Adrian Bevington. Not sure what he wants to be in football, as he's advised recently at Forest and Watford, so until i see his hand, and whether that hand shows a man who wants, for example to be a Chief executive or Chairman of a club, its unwise to comment, save for he is actually an industry professional of some note.

"Mr Hollis. Obviously knows little about the sport but seems keen to build bridges and start a process, hopefully independent of Mr Lerner interference, of getting the right people in the right places. A welcome change from the lack of leadership at the club of late

"Dave Bernstein. Another football man of note, there to make sure the inner workings of the club are streamlined and very much the football industry voice of Hollis. I do have reservations of a future Bevington/Bernstein axis at the club though, i believe there to be people more Midlands based, more Villa specific who could, after a spell of stability fill those roles with ease.

"Brian Little. One of my choices to be on a sporting board which i still hope has a place at VP/BH. A calm, caring, sensible Villa man who watches closely, is always calm and who has a ruthless steak which the club currently needs.

"I'd be more inclined in the coming months and seasons to elevate Brian beyond an advisory role and give him real teeth at the club, something that concerns me with a number of 'bigger fish' now above him. A Director of football strategy or permanent board role is the very minimum i'd expect to see Brian have in coming months and years.

"Mervyn King. Track record in finance is second to none, so i'd expect a Villa fan of 50 years to not look at merely cost cutting, job streamlining and cuts, but a prudent, sturdy plan to see Villa through the financial pain of relegation whilst balancing the books, making us ready as and when to come back into the league stronger. Not a football man by any means but although in his late 60's, i'd fully expect him to have the club off field structure in its best shape since Doug knew the price of every toilet roll coming into Villa Park. We can all sleep easier with King involved balancing the books.

"So those are a few thoughts on the board, now the important bit.

"The playing staff.

"Clubs go one of two ways when it comes to moving forward in a summer window, revolution or modest additions.

"Revolution has to happen, but unless it is underpinned by an in depth knowledge of the player profile we need at the club, i fear whoever comes in will either give the 50th chance to players who didn't deserve a second, or be unprepared when it comes to having a team that is offering up players, profiles and contacts now to help us move forward.

"We don't have that at the moment, as we have no manager ( Moyes/Pearson both want assurances of the ownership position), and it is why i am meeting Brian Little next week for a chat to offer him some ideas. I like straight talking and Brian asked me for a chat, aso i will give ideas about the club, like i did Tom Fox, most or all of which are being implemented or are in the process of being implemented.

"I know many Villa fans do not like me, that's fine, and i understand that they feel in 1997 i let them down on the pitch. The figures don't lie, i did, but don't confuse a 20 something playing poorly, making poor life decisions on occasions with not caring about a club i've supported since 6. I want us to do well and i have the brain, the contacts, the passion and drive to assist in many ways. And if Villa fans don't think i have, then why are many of my suggestions now in effect only 6 months after making them?

"I told Fox that i would go anywhere and do anything to procure talent ahead of the competition, and that the reality abroad where AVFC is concerned, in Africa, Asia and many Premier League watching nations are concerned, ask them to name several Aston Villa former players, Dwight Yorke will pop up, and so will I. May be an unpalatable truth but its a truth nonetheless, so why not utilise it to the benefit of the club and get as many people with a Villa profile to do what Les Ferdinand did for QPR when they were chasing the 2 Swindon boys ( who we wanted too).

"He met them, with the QPR blazer on, a Premier League "name", he schmoozed them, and convinced them that QPR was the right club.

"Paul Stretford did the same when procuring a young lad named Rooney to his stable, he got a Liverpool legend, Kenny Dalglish round to the kid's house and the lad signed up with the agency. I don't pretend to have the gravitas of a Kenny Dalgish but trust me, when i call clubs, agents, managers and players, they take the call, all of them, so maybe it's time to use that to the benefit of AVFC? Other clubs do.

"The playing staff is weak and need a massive overhaul.

"Players are commuting from abroad to Birmingham.

"Senior players are taking the p***, running the dressing room and working to their own rules.

"Young, very good talent is being poisoned by some of the seniors to the extent that one or two are copying the behaviour of their more illustrious elders.

"If we are being honest, there are maximum a handful of players we should retain moving forward, but we may not be able to shift them on because

"1. Contracts given out are too long and too costly to pay up.

"2. Little or no resale value on much of the staff

"3. Not many sides completely get rid of everyone, start again and compete with the disruption in the worlds toughest league.

"So we need people at Bodymoor to cajole, eek out, b******, cuddle and who knows every trick in the book.

"I was a model pro and i was poor pro at times. Mostly the former, but sometimes the latter. That is the truth. So nobody, nobody at that club knows better what it takes to get out of the Championship, to then compete in the Premier League, but also see the warning signs in the collective and individuals when laurels start to become rested on.

"I want to play my part, and like the vast majority of my working life, i 'm happy to put my money where my mouth is and help, not stand idly by while others drift in and out,not really caring about the club, only a payday or a brief chance of advancement. I live in the Midlands, i'm visible in the Midlands, so the criticism matters. I can't just walk away .

"I'm afraid the cull needs to start with Gabby, our captain. He;s simply been at the club too long now, was rewarded with a new contract at at time of little productivity, and he needs a new challenge, and i'd be more than happy to tell him face to face, shake his hand and come to an agreement where he can see out the remainder of his career with a new challenge.

"I would pull Jack to the side and tell him if he wants to make it, stay out of the worlds biggest village Birmingham, put his 40k a week in a bank, buy a modest house a modest car, and only come off the training ground and pitch, and into the city nightlife when his performances match the wage that he currently isn't earning, fit or not.

"Most of the Francophones i'd look to sell, none bar Amavi and perhaps Veretout could hack a Championship season, and Gana should be used as an asset to bring one or two Championship, British Isles based players in.

"Micah and Joleon also would be surplus to requirements, great pros and great careers elsewhere but too many seniors with too much to say are creating a difficult environment for the younger players and indeed new recruits to not only survive but thrive moving forward.

"Looking forward to coffee with Brian next week, in the spirit of openness i'll give him my thoughts, honesty and in the hope every little helps.

"Up The Villa."
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: robbo1874 on March 31, 2016, 01:13:08 PM
Talks a good game, but I reckon he'd be disastrous in whatever role he wants at the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on March 31, 2016, 01:13:22 PM
Quote
Former Aston Villa striker turned broadcaster Stan Collymore.
Never one to stay quiet on all things Aston Villa, Stan Collymore has written a lengthy opinion article on Twitter giving his thoughts on everything happening at the club.

The former Villa player and current talkSPORT presenter spoke out in very honest fashion about the state of the club and how he believes he can help at the club.

This is Stan's article in full....

"After recent events at Villa Park where the club finally made some positive changes to move the club on from the frankly feckless Tom Fox, Henrick Almstadt and increasingly forlorn Remi Garde, i though it was time to let Villa fans ( the ones who listen rather than make things up or snipe on social media, and who are as far outside the tent as its possible to be), to give some considered thoughts on the situation, bearing in mind i'm quite happy with the general knowledge of what's going on at our club presently.

"Mr Lerner wants to sell, nothing new there, but it is my firm belief that there may be at least one interested party who is monitoring developments at the club, and an educated guess would be, are waiting for the selling price to drop to bargain levels before securing a purchase.

"This should be worrying to Villa fans as the lower the price gets, the chances of a cash rich billionaire decreases, and the possibility of a rogue buyer, with little real cash of their own comes to the table, so be warned.

"It may be better the devil we know for the next couple of years, and like Mike Ashley at Newcastle United, have a situation where Mr Lerner, with the right people in charge , gets the club back to the Premier League, finds his "love" for Villa is stronger than present and he gets his 300 million back in installments by having a solvent, cash rich Premier League club on his hands once again. Not ideal, but preferable with no one out there with serious amounts of cash. We've had one rookie owner mess things up, another would see us off.

"Most know i set out some points at the tail end of last year, many have already been implemented from admin level sackings, to appointing Villa people in and around the club.

"Not for romanticism, although the club does need a lift, but because these people care deeply about the club and want to be around to rebuild trust between the most important people, the supporters, the players and move us all forward. So i'm delighted that these comments and posts have largely turned into reality, especially the appointment of Brian Little on an advisory basis.

"As for the appointments thus far...

"Adrian Bevington. Not sure what he wants to be in football, as he's advised recently at Forest and Watford, so until i see his hand, and whether that hand shows a man who wants, for example to be a Chief executive or Chairman of a club, its unwise to comment, save for he is actually an industry professional of some note.

"Mr Hollis. Obviously knows little about the sport but seems keen to build bridges and start a process, hopefully independent of Mr Lerner interference, of getting the right people in the right places. A welcome change from the lack of leadership at the club of late

"Dave Bernstein. Another football man of note, there to make sure the inner workings of the club are streamlined and very much the football industry voice of Hollis. I do have reservations of a future Bevington/Bernstein axis at the club though, i believe there to be people more Midlands based, more Villa specific who could, after a spell of stability fill those roles with ease.

"Brian Little. One of my choices to be on a sporting board which i still hope has a place at VP/BH. A calm, caring, sensible Villa man who watches closely, is always calm and who has a ruthless steak which the club currently needs.

"I'd be more inclined in the coming months and seasons to elevate Brian beyond an advisory role and give him real teeth at the club, something that concerns me with a number of 'bigger fish' now above him. A Director of football strategy or permanent board role is the very minimum i'd expect to see Brian have in coming months and years.

"Mervyn King. Track record in finance is second to none, so i'd expect a Villa fan of 50 years to not look at merely cost cutting, job streamlining and cuts, but a prudent, sturdy plan to see Villa through the financial pain of relegation whilst balancing the books, making us ready as and when to come back into the league stronger. Not a football man by any means but although in his late 60's, i'd fully expect him to have the club off field structure in its best shape since Doug knew the price of every toilet roll coming into Villa Park. We can all sleep easier with King involved balancing the books.

"So those are a few thoughts on the board, now the important bit.

"The playing staff.

"Clubs go one of two ways when it comes to moving forward in a summer window, revolution or modest additions.

"Revolution has to happen, but unless it is underpinned by an in depth knowledge of the player profile we need at the club, i fear whoever comes in will either give the 50th chance to players who didn't deserve a second, or be unprepared when it comes to having a team that is offering up players, profiles and contacts now to help us move forward.

"We don't have that at the moment, as we have no manager ( Moyes/Pearson both want assurances of the ownership position), and it is why i am meeting Brian Little next week for a chat to offer him some ideas. I like straight talking and Brian asked me for a chat, aso i will give ideas about the club, like i did Tom Fox, most or all of which are being implemented or are in the process of being implemented.

"I know many Villa fans do not like me, that's fine, and i understand that they feel in 1997 i let them down on the pitch. The figures don't lie, i did, but don't confuse a 20 something playing poorly, making poor life decisions on occasions with not caring about a club i've supported since 6. I want us to do well and i have the brain, the contacts, the passion and drive to assist in many ways. And if Villa fans don't think i have, then why are many of my suggestions now in effect only 6 months after making them?

"I told Fox that i would go anywhere and do anything to procure talent ahead of the competition, and that the reality abroad where AVFC is concerned, in Africa, Asia and many Premier League watching nations are concerned, ask them to name several Aston Villa former players, Dwight Yorke will pop up, and so will I. May be an unpalatable truth but its a truth nonetheless, so why not utilise it to the benefit of the club and get as many people with a Villa profile to do what Les Ferdinand did for QPR when they were chasing the 2 Swindon boys ( who we wanted too).

"He met them, with the QPR blazer on, a Premier League "name", he schmoozed them, and convinced them that QPR was the right club.

"Paul Stretford did the same when procuring a young lad named Rooney to his stable, he got a Liverpool legend, Kenny Dalglish round to the kid's house and the lad signed up with the agency. I don't pretend to have the gravitas of a Kenny Dalgish but trust me, when i call clubs, agents, managers and players, they take the call, all of them, so maybe it's time to use that to the benefit of AVFC? Other clubs do.

"The playing staff is weak and need a massive overhaul.

"Players are commuting from abroad to Birmingham.

"Senior players are taking the p***, running the dressing room and working to their own rules.

"Young, very good talent is being poisoned by some of the seniors to the extent that one or two are copying the behaviour of their more illustrious elders.

"If we are being honest, there are maximum a handful of players we should retain moving forward, but we may not be able to shift them on because

"1. Contracts given out are too long and too costly to pay up.

"2. Little or no resale value on much of the staff

"3. Not many sides completely get rid of everyone, start again and compete with the disruption in the worlds toughest league.

"So we need people at Bodymoor to cajole, eek out, b******, cuddle and who knows every trick in the book.

"I was a model pro and i was poor pro at times. Mostly the former, but sometimes the latter. That is the truth. So nobody, nobody at that club knows better what it takes to get out of the Championship, to then compete in the Premier League, but also see the warning signs in the collective and individuals when laurels start to become rested on.

"I want to play my part, and like the vast majority of my working life, i 'm happy to put my money where my mouth is and help, not stand idly by while others drift in and out,not really caring about the club, only a payday or a brief chance of advancement. I live in the Midlands, i'm visible in the Midlands, so the criticism matters. I can't just walk away .

"I'm afraid the cull needs to start with Gabby, our captain. He;s simply been at the club too long now, was rewarded with a new contract at at time of little productivity, and he needs a new challenge, and i'd be more than happy to tell him face to face, shake his hand and come to an agreement where he can see out the remainder of his career with a new challenge.

"I would pull Jack to the side and tell him if he wants to make it, stay out of the worlds biggest village Birmingham, put his 40k a week in a bank, buy a modest house a modest car, and only come off the training ground and pitch, and into the city nightlife when his performances match the wage that he currently isn't earning, fit or not.

"Most of the Francophones i'd look to sell, none bar Amavi and perhaps Veretout could hack a Championship season, and Gana should be used as an asset to bring one or two Championship, British Isles based players in.

"Micah and Joleon also would be surplus to requirements, great pros and great careers elsewhere but too many seniors with too much to say are creating a difficult environment for the younger players and indeed new recruits to not only survive but thrive moving forward.

"Looking forward to coffee with Brian next week, in the spirit of openness i'll give him my thoughts, honesty and in the hope every little helps.

"Up The Villa."

Talks a lot of sense there. Certainly direct and not pulling any punches. Not sure about the timing though as he may have been better waiting to have his coffee with Brian first.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ozzjim on March 31, 2016, 01:14:18 PM
Please give me a job, please, pleeeeeeaaaassee??

He makes some obvious, but fair points, but has heaped so much self hype and frankly utter bull in there with it that it is nauseating to read, and a little cringe.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on March 31, 2016, 01:15:00 PM
Is he having coffee with Brian? He kept that quiet.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on March 31, 2016, 01:18:16 PM
He mentions that players are commuting from abroad? Is that right? And if so who? (I assume it must be one of the French lads?)

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
Please give me a job, please, pleeeeeeaaaassee??

He makes some obvious, but fair points, but has heaped so much self hype and frankly utter bull in there with it that it is nauseating to read, and a little cringe.



Stan will always be a self promoter, but it's not like he doesn't have money or a very good and secure job. If in the end he got a role with us, would it be bad? That he would be a booster for the club wherever he goes. He wants to help, and he's gone to some length to show it. He hasn't always said the right thing, and I disagree entirely with how he has approached certain topics, but reading between the lines and beneath all the bluster would he have a positive effect? He might.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ozzjim on March 31, 2016, 01:22:44 PM
He mentions that players are commuting from abroad? Is that right? And if so who? (I assume it must be one of the French lads?)



Bacuna was mooted on twitter. Its tough to see it, but would a 2 hour flight be any worse that a 2 hour car journey? It would still be less time "at work" each day, with the travel, than most people spend.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on March 31, 2016, 01:24:09 PM
It would all be fine with Stan until something happened that he didn't like and then then dirty linen would be aired in public.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on March 31, 2016, 01:24:54 PM
It's not enough, though Stan.  We need more information...what kind of coffee?  Any sugar?  Biscuits?  Actually you might have to take your own biscuits come to think of it...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2016, 01:26:21 PM
It would all be fine with Stan until something happened that he didn't like and then then dirty linen would be aired in public.

I don't know about that. He has a public forum as a radio host now and acts in that capacity. I think if he became an employee of the club he'd act accordingly. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 31, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
Makes some very good observations. I'd let him have his opinion at the club. What harm can he be as an advisor to the board.
However I wouldn't let him near any players. I think they wouldn't respect him and tempers would flare very quickly
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ozzjim on March 31, 2016, 01:36:19 PM
The fact he is tweeting the article hourly says it all about his motivation.

I have never been excited about a player signing for us like I was the day Stan did. My favourite player for years before finally signing. I think he is a decent broadcaster too, but would not have him anywhere near the club in any capacity.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on March 31, 2016, 01:39:46 PM
It would all be fine with Stan until something happened that he didn't like and then then dirty linen would be aired in public.

I don't know about that. He has a public forum as a radio host now and acts in that capacity. I think if he became an employee of the club he'd act accordingly. 

I can't see it myself, Stan loves Stan and is a self publicist with a massive mouth. I couldn't see him keeping everything in house, he's too much of a big baby for me, I wouldn't trust him. I don't mind him voicing his opinions but wouldn't want him with any role at the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on March 31, 2016, 01:44:00 PM
He didn't do himself any favours with that 'I'm going to concentrate on the other 91 clubs' strop he had a couple of months back. I don't mind him that much, he's excellent on Talksport but he's not what the club needs.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2016, 01:45:31 PM
It would all be fine with Stan until something happened that he didn't like and then then dirty linen would be aired in public.

I don't know about that. He has a public forum as a radio host now and acts in that capacity. I think if he became an employee of the club he'd act accordingly. 

I can't see it myself, Stan loves Stan and is a self publicist with a massive mouth. I couldn't see him keeping everything in house, he's too much of a big baby for me, I wouldn't trust him. I don't mind him voicing his opinions but wouldn't want him with any role at the club.

There's two choices really. One allow him to continue without any restriction as he is now, or employ him in some capacity to control the message with obvious repercussions if he doesn't. If he wants the role so badly, why would he then do something to lose it?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: UK Redsox on March 31, 2016, 01:50:08 PM
He mentions that players are commuting from abroad? Is that right? And if so who? (I assume it must be one of the French lads?)



Bacuna was mooted on twitter. Its tough to see it, but would a 2 hour flight be any worse that a 2 hour car journey? It would still be less time "at work" each day, with the travel, than most people spend.

Maybe Bacuna's moved to Llansantffraid-ym-Mechain in preparation for his move to Champions League participants, New Saints
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 31, 2016, 01:58:38 PM
Personally I feel that it is to the benefit of the club to speak to as many people as possible  that have some sort of inside handle on the inside goings on in football and specifically at Villa.  It is not going to cost us anything other than time.

The fact that Stan is likely to be a cheerleader for us in the media is also justification.  We don't necessarily need to do as he says but to engage with him other media bods may speed up the process of cleaning up and improving our external image.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on March 31, 2016, 01:59:44 PM
I dislike Stan more with every self-serving statement he comes out with, and the base was pretty low to start with. He's already earned enough off the back of Villa for doing very little, I don't want another spell, in any capacity.

And anyway, what would he really bring to the table other than a big gob and a reputation for a lack of discretion, amongst other less savoury character traits?

He cant even keep his mouth shut about a get together with Sir Brian.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2016, 02:00:48 PM
I'd be interested to know if it is so important to him, that if Stan took on a job with us would he be willing to give up his position as a radio host?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Musicmaan on March 31, 2016, 02:16:31 PM
Collymore has his obvious faults, but reading that I can't help but think that he'd actually be of some use to the club in some capacity, this summer, if not necessarily longer term.

I agree.

With a clear brief, and in a role where he is answerable for his actions, not just some maverick kinda role , I think he could be of use too.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on March 31, 2016, 02:22:14 PM
It would all be fine with Stan until something happened that he didn't like and then then dirty linen would be aired in public.

I don't know about that. He has a public forum as a radio host now and acts in that capacity. I think if he became an employee of the club he'd act accordingly. 

I can't see it myself, Stan loves Stan and is a self publicist with a massive mouth. I couldn't see him keeping everything in house, he's too much of a big baby for me, I wouldn't trust him. I don't mind him voicing his opinions but wouldn't want him with any role at the club.

There's two choices really. One allow him to continue without any restriction as he is now, or employ him in some capacity to control the message with obvious repercussions if he doesn't. If he wants the role so badly, why would he then do something to lose it?



Or he can just be ignored. It's Stan Collymore, on talksport or the Daily Mirror, It's not like he's Rupert Murdoch. I don't think he's that influential that he needs to be offered a position at the club to control his media outpourings. As for him wanting something badly and then messing it up, it happens, often, he's a live wire and a hot head. I don't see him as either clever enough or mature enough to deserve a position in remodelling our club, surely there are better people out there that can fill any role he could, without the drawbacks?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Axl Rose on March 31, 2016, 02:30:11 PM
I like him, but I can see why others don't.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mattjpa on March 31, 2016, 02:43:36 PM
He cares about the club and makes good points, both in recent history and in this article. His problem is, he is a bit of a loose cannon and seems to struggle to keep his emotions intact, especially when arguing with 14 year old keyboard warriors on Twitter.
I would gladly have him involved with the club, I think it would add value but there would have to be strict guidelines laid down with regards to what he can/cant discuss on the radio and with regards to his use of social media.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2016, 02:50:14 PM
I think he has been and can be misguided in his thoughts. However nobody goes to the lengths that he has if they didn't care. And he admits his faults and what he's not liked by everyone. I'd be willing to give him an opportunity to work for us. And I think he wants to, in part to make up for what he admits is lost time. His playing career at Aston Villa wasn't what it should have been.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 31, 2016, 02:56:49 PM
He cares about the club and makes good points, both in recent history and in this article. His problem is, he is a bit of a loose cannon and seems to struggle to keep his emotions intact, especially when arguing with 14 year old keyboard warriors on Twitter.
I would gladly have him involved with the club, I think it would add value but there would have to be strict guidelines laid down with regards to what he can/cant discuss on the radio and with regards to his use of social media.

I agree that he cares about the club but your point about him struggling to keep his emotions intact is exactly why he shouldn't be involved with the squad at all. He is simply too insecure and that comes across in his long messages as well so I don't think we would and should employ him. I'm more than happy for him to chat with Sir Brian Little though. I trust him to voice those ideas to the board if he feels they are worthy of it but other than that... no thanks Stan... and stop getting emotional with criticism, it doesn't look good.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 31, 2016, 09:09:39 PM
I don't think he really cares about Villa. I think we gave him gravitas at the right time for him to advance his career. Not as naff as Arsenal or Man U but a PL club with kudos. It'll be interesting to see who he hoists his petard to now that we've jumped off the PL gravy train.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 31, 2016, 09:43:22 PM
I don't think he really cares about Villa. I think we gave him gravitas at the right time for him to advance his career. Not as naff as Arsenal or Man U but a PL club with kudos. It'll be interesting to see who he hoists his petard to now that we've jumped off the PL gravy train.

All Stanley ever cared about was Stanley.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 31, 2016, 09:54:45 PM
I don't see what role he would fill.

What does he bring to the table?

Never been a coach. Never been a manager. Never had any operational role in football. Not a businessman or clued up in finance, or PR, or any of the other areas we have been short in.

Apart from hosting a radio show which is of no value to running a football club, the only thing he has done of note is failed to fulfill his potential as a player. We've got plenty of current players who are experts in that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 31, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
We can here but as a broadcaster I don't feel it's right he should be talking about who is and isn't surplus to requirements
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: four fornicholl on March 31, 2016, 09:58:29 PM
Surely his dodgy past is the proverbial nail?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: seanthevillan on March 31, 2016, 10:28:02 PM
I know it's not really the point of the article, but noone abroad has every brought up Collymore as a former villa player (Yorke yes, Angel, Young etc.), has this happened to anyone else?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: hipkiss92 on March 31, 2016, 10:38:52 PM
He cares about the club and makes good points, both in recent history and in this article. His problem is, he is a bit of a loose cannon and seems to struggle to keep his emotions intact, especially when arguing with 14 year old keyboard warriors on Twitter.
I would gladly have him involved with the club, I think it would add value but there would have to be strict guidelines laid down with regards to what he can/cant discuss on the radio and with regards to his use of social media.

This is his biggest problem, while he makes good points, they often get lost in a stream of consciousness when he posts longer articles like this on twitter. He could really do with an editor at times.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: tomd2103 on March 31, 2016, 11:38:11 PM
Having just read the article, I agree with a lot of what he said.  I think it would have been more better as an opinion piece along the lines of "how I would turn Villa around" without the overt angling for a job at the club. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Steve67 on April 01, 2016, 05:17:58 AM
The article is much more measured than one of his usual rants and therefore has a bit more credibility.  Be a positive voice instead of a knob Stan. Then the Villa fans might take you more seriously.  Could be useful as a fan/club go-between but needs to listen to fans much more and come up with solutions rather than problems.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 01, 2016, 07:06:16 AM
I don't see what role he would fill.

What does he bring to the table?

Never been a coach. Never been a manager. Never had any operational role in football. Not a businessman or clued up in finance, or PR, or any of the other areas we have been short in.

Apart from hosting a radio show which is of no value to running a football club, the only thing he has done of note is failed to fulfill his potential as a player. We've got plenty of current players who are experts in that.

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Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on April 01, 2016, 09:17:49 AM
girlfriend abuser and serial dogger. Thanks, but no thanks.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on April 01, 2016, 09:48:44 AM
girlfriend abuser and serial dogger. Thanks, but no thanks.

Ah the 15 year old news stick to beat him with....
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: rob_bridge on April 01, 2016, 10:25:37 AM
We have enough problems without employing SVC FFS
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: godzvilla on April 01, 2016, 10:26:40 AM
Imagining a Collymore & Pearson team.....conjecturing a Box of Frogs ( as in ´mad as a box of´..) ......Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on April 01, 2016, 10:49:36 AM
AV82EC - that sort of behaviour transcends time. It's totally reprehensible, period.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 01, 2016, 12:49:27 PM
I don't know how much his problems can excuse what he is - that's not a rhetorical question, I genuinely don't know, in the same way that I don't know how much of his outpouring is genuine and how much is self-publicity. I'm sure that he has ideas on how to put things right, the same as many of us do. I'm not so sure whether his input would be any more valuable than that of anyone else.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
I think in part he is what he is because his current job affords him the opportunity to be vocal and controversial. And while he has some opinions that none of us agree with he also says things that we all do. Given the right environment it is entirely possible he would be able to control what he says for the good of the club. His issue now in coming forward is that while there might be some good intent, his intense and almost personal criticism of the current owner will diminish his appeal at the club given that Randy is still here.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2016, 07:45:32 AM
He was in my train last Saturday from Stafford and it was rammed being Easter weekend. He gave up his seat in first class for a girl to sit down, without any drama or "don't you know who I am?" nonsense. Seemed a nice guy.

Did his waste his talent as a player? Yes
Does he love the Villa? Yes
Could we do with all the help in the world right now, even if it is just highlighting our plight in the media? Yes, 6 months out of the Prem we will be just glad any media attention.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: brian green on April 02, 2016, 08:08:09 AM
I have only met Stanley just the once, briefly.  My impression from that and from everything I have seen and read about him is that he has problems of self control.  He lapses briefly into rants and raves but recovers and makes great efforts to atone.

If he were a musician or a poet or a playwright or a painter or an actor his personal failings would go uncommented upon and dismissed as the creative temperament.  But he is an ex footballer earning a living in the media.  Football and the media individually put participants under the spotlight of prurient intrusiveness, together they are destructive.  SVC is in the very last place to find the atonement he appears to seek for past mistakes.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on April 02, 2016, 08:13:14 AM
I have no problem with Stan, nor do I have any objections to the club asking him as a former player who loves the club for his opinion. I think he's deluded in angling for a job and referring to Lerner as Mr Lerner, however. He had a job once and was removed because of his criticisms of Lerner.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lizz on April 02, 2016, 08:38:25 AM
Think I've posted something similar before, and maybe it's not so subconscious jealousy, but I can't get worked up over the Ulrika attack. I may be very wrong here, but I doubt Stan has subsequently lacked feamale company.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: danno on April 02, 2016, 09:31:48 AM
Please give me a job, please, pleeeeeeaaaassee??

He makes some obvious, but fair points, but has heaped so much self hype and frankly utter bull in there with it that it is nauseating to read, and a little cringe.

I remember hearing a similar pitch on Talksport 2 or 3 years ago when Mcleish had left Nottingham Forest.
No footballer lacks self belief I suppose, but hearing him sometimes you'd think he has a red cape and an aversion to kryptonite.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 02, 2016, 09:50:16 AM
Think I've posted something similar before, and maybe it's not so subconscious jealousy, but I can't get worked up over the Ulrika attack. I may be very wrong here, but I doubt Stan has subsequently lacked feamale company.

When his book came out there were so many people at a signing in Walsall the shop was on the verge of calling for police help. Most were women.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on April 02, 2016, 09:59:35 AM
Even if by some miracle he was gifted a job with us he'd flounce off at the first perceived slight.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 02, 2016, 10:07:39 AM
I personally have no problem with him. He fights our corner (oops) in the media and gets a lot of what I (we) feel and puts it out there. Better for us to be talked about than not at all surely?

I stood on the Holte and watched him under perform week in and week out. So are we going to dismiss him outright because of that? He's clearly a passionate supporter wanting to offer help and ideas under the right circumstances and has a platform to do this at TalkSport.

Same as usual. Human beings. Easy to shoot people down with negative words when somebody sticks their head up out of the trenches, especially somebody like SVC. Let's face it We're all fucking hypocrites to a smaller or larger extent anyway.

Isn't it all about what people can positively offer anyway. Can't we just use Stans good input?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 02, 2016, 11:15:49 AM
I personally have no problem with him. He fights our corner (oops) in the media and gets a lot of what I (we) feel and puts it out there. Better for us to be talked about than not at all surely?

I stood on the Holte and watched him under perform week in and week out. So are we going to dismiss him outright because of that? He's clearly a passionate supporter wanting to offer help and ideas under the right circumstances and has a platform to do this at TalkSport.

Same as usual. Human beings. Easy to shoot people down with negative words when somebody sticks their head up out of the trenches, especially somebody like SVC. Let's face it We're all fucking hypocrites to a smaller or larger extent anyway.

Isn't it all about what people can positively offer anyway. Can't we just use Stans good input?


As what? What would his role be? Does he have an insight into managing or coaching? Contract negotiations? Is he an experienced administrator? Lots of scouting contacts abroad? Some kind of PR guru?

If it's just being passionate about the Villa then I'd suggest there are plenty of people who'd fit that bill.

I'd prefer we carried on with this recent novel idea of actually appointing people who are qualified to do a particular job.

If he wants to talk us up as part of his job at TalkSport, great, but why would we employ him to do that?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: KevinGage on April 02, 2016, 12:58:51 PM
I would no sooner give him a job on the board than I would Sasha Curcic.

Both were talented players, but probably wouldn't get into the top 100  players who made telling contributions in claret and blue.

He's not a fan favourite (putting it mildly), hasn't made a dash in business after hanging up his boots, doesn't fulfill any of the other criteria as outlined by SheffieldVillain.  But he beaks off a bit on a sadcase radio show for the terminally dimwitted?

Stanley Victor we can do without.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 02, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
I would no sooner give him a job on the board than I would Sasha Curcic.

Both were talented players, but probably wouldn't get into the top 100  players who made telling contribution in claret and blue.

He's not a fan favourite (putting it mildly), hasn't made a dash in business after hanging up his boots, doesn't fulfill any of the other criteria as outlined by SheffieldVillain.  But he beaks off a bit on a sadcase radio show for the terminally dimwitted?

Stanley Victor we can do without.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 03, 2016, 08:12:48 AM
I personally have no problem with him. He fights our corner (oops) in the media and gets a lot of what I (we) feel and puts it out there. Better for us to be talked about than not at all surely?

I stood on the Holte and watched him under perform week in and week out. So are we going to dismiss him outright because of that? He's clearly a passionate supporter wanting to offer help and ideas under the right circumstances and has a platform to do this at TalkSport.

Same as usual. Human beings. Easy to shoot people down with negative words when somebody sticks their head up out of the trenches, especially somebody like SVC. Let's face it We're all fucking hypocrites to a smaller or larger extent anyway.

Isn't it all about what people can positively offer anyway. Can't we just use Stans good input?


As what? What would his role be? Does he have an insight into managing or coaching? Contract negotiations? Is he an experienced administrator? Lots of scouting contacts abroad? Some kind of PR guru?

If it's just being passionate about the Villa then I'd suggest there are plenty of people who'd fit that bill.

I'd prefer we carried on with this recent novel idea of actually appointing people who are qualified to do a particular job.

If he wants to talk us up as part of his job at TalkSport, great, but why would we employ him to do that?

I would no sooner give him a job on the board than I would Sasha Curcic.

Both were talented players, but probably wouldn't get into the top 100  players who made telling contributions in claret and blue.

He's not a fan favourite (putting it mildly), hasn't made a dash in business after hanging up his boots, doesn't fulfill any of the other criteria as outlined by SheffieldVillain.  But he beaks off a bit on a sadcase radio show for the terminally dimwitted?

Stanley Victor we can do with
I would no sooner give him a job on the board than I would Sasha Curcic.

Both were talented players, but probably wouldn't get into the top 100  players who made telling contribution in claret and blue.

He's not a fan favourite (putting it mildly), hasn't made a dash in business after hanging up his boots, doesn't fulfill any of the other criteria as outlined by SheffieldVillain.  But he beaks off a bit on a sadcase radio show for the terminally dimwitted?

Stanley Victor we can do without.

Spot on.
You could argue that both failed while wearing the famous shirt that's for sure.

But I can only hear one of them making an effort to come up with ideas about getting us out of this situation.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 03, 2016, 10:36:44 AM
He is someone who consistently puts us in the eye of the media, so I thank him for that.

We are the biggest club for miles around in the second city....some of the national media would do well to remember that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 10:37:53 AM
He is someone who consistently puts us in the eye of the media, so I thank him for that.

We are the biggest club for miles around in the second city....some of the national media would do well to remember that.

Which is fine, in his present job. It doesn't mean we need to employ him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on April 03, 2016, 10:42:31 AM
For a club who have got it so hideously bloody wrong for the last 5-6 years (longer to be honest), employing SVC would rank as one of the biggest cock-ups that Randy will have been responsible for during his time.
I don't actually mind Stan in moderation. At the very least he's got a little passion in him for the club, even if we sadly never saw that in him as a player. However the man is a complete gobshite and would only end up making us slightly more embarrassing and shambolic than we already are.

The club is having a clean sweep and starting again. Lets get it right. Stan can stick to radio and punditry and should quit twitter if he can't handle the stick.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 03, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
He is someone who consistently puts us in the eye of the media, so I thank him for that.

We are the biggest club for miles around in the second city....some of the national media would do well to remember that.

Agreed. For all his faults Collymore constantly talks up the club in the media. I read somewhere that the blithering idiot Ian Wright said that bigger clubs than Villa have been relegated and not come back. Oh really, who are these clubs then, Ian?
Im glad we have someone in the media that knows what kind of club we are.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV89 on April 03, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
He is someone who consistently puts us in the eye of the media, so I thank him for that.

We are the biggest club for miles around in the second city....some of the national media would do well to remember that.

I read somewhere that the blithering idiot Ian Wright said that bigger clubs than Villa have been relegated and not come back. Oh really, who are these clubs then, Ian?
Im glad we have someone in the media that knows what kind of club we are.

Hes tweeted to say Forest, Leeds, Man City and Wolves are bigger.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 03, 2016, 11:07:41 AM
He is someone who consistently puts us in the eye of the media, so I thank him for that.

We are the biggest club for miles around in the second city....some of the national media would do well to remember that.

I read somewhere that the blithering idiot Ian Wright said that bigger clubs than Villa have been relegated and not come back. Oh really, who are these clubs then, Ian?
Im glad we have someone in the media that knows what kind of club we are.

Hes tweeted to say Forest, Leeds, Man City and Wolves are bigger.

He's clearly on the wind up. How he constantly gets gigs in the media is beyond me as he can rarely string a coherent sentence together at the best of times.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on April 03, 2016, 02:42:01 PM
Ian Wright is a goon. They employ him as the dumb and dumber idiot for the rest of the panel to play off. He's the village idiot, the court buffoon, the one they keep around for everyone to chuckle at and to take the serious edge off proceedings.

He's a complete fucking pleb.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: tomd2103 on April 03, 2016, 03:04:22 PM
For a club who have got it so hideously bloody wrong for the last 5-6 years (longer to be honest), employing SVC would rank as one of the biggest cock-ups that Randy will have been responsible for during his time.
I don't actually mind Stan in moderation. At the very least he's got a little passion in him for the club, even if we sadly never saw that in him as a player. However the man is a complete gobshite and would only end up making us slightly more embarrassing and shambolic than we already are.

The club is having a clean sweep and starting again. Lets get it right. Stan can stick to radio and punditry and should quit twitter if he can't handle the stick.

For all his faults, I'm sure it would be worth members of the Board sitting down with him and listening to some of his thoughts and ideas.  Saying that, I hope they would be doing that with a quite a few people with connections to the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on April 03, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
so Man City on Wright's list who are a bigger and haven't come back up?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 03, 2016, 03:07:27 PM
I'm listening to him commentate on the Leicester game, more than once he's said "likkle" which automatically means he should be ignored!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 03, 2016, 03:10:21 PM
The stupidity is strong in this one

Ian Wright ‏@IanWright0  14h14 hours ago
Leeds and Nottingham Forest are bigger than villa. Both been down to league 1. I'd even throw in Man city as a bigger club.

Ian Wright ‏@IanWright0  14h14 hours ago
Villa not even the biggest club in the Midlands! Birmingham and wolves are bigger. 😜

Probably still sulking over the amount of stick he used to get at VP "he's staying home, he's staying home, Wrighty's staying home"
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 03, 2016, 03:12:52 PM
He's just taking the piss and rubbing it in now. Best to ignore him from now on.
Pretty soon the media in this country will come to their senses and get rid of him again, the blithering simpleton.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: brian green on April 03, 2016, 03:23:57 PM
Have a look at Wright's glasses.  They are window glass not lenses.  He wears them to make him look less of a cockney Superplank.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on April 05, 2016, 01:21:46 PM
Has SVC tweeted his coffee with Sir Brian yet?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on April 05, 2016, 01:49:00 PM
Has SVC tweeted his coffee with Sir Brian yet?

I imagine Sir Brian told him to shut the fuck up. He hasn't peeped or tweeted a word about it. If He wants to keep on the inside track with the new regime he's going to need to be very careful in his commentary on us as a club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2016, 02:22:34 PM
Has SVC tweeted his coffee with Sir Brian yet?

I imagine Sir Brian told him to shut the fuck up. He hasn't peeped or tweeted a word about it. If He wants to keep on the inside track with the new regime he's going to need to be very careful in his commentary on us as a club.

He was talking about it on Talksport last night, saying that it was going to happen.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on April 05, 2016, 03:03:00 PM
Has SVC tweeted his coffee with Sir Brian yet?

I imagine Sir Brian told him to shut the fuck up. He hasn't peeped or tweeted a word about it. If He wants to keep on the inside track with the new regime he's going to need to be very careful in his commentary on us as a club.

He was talking about it on Talksport last night, saying that it was going to happen.

I got the impression that it was happening last week?! So he was saying it hasn't happened yet?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 05, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
This has to be the most publicised coffee meeting in history.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on April 05, 2016, 03:24:07 PM
This has to be the most publicised coffee meeting in history.

Not a surprise if it's Collymore involved.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on April 05, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
Think I've posted something similar before, and maybe it's not so subconscious jealousy, but I can't get worked up over the Ulrika attack. I may be very wrong here, but I doubt Stan has subsequently lacked feamale company.

I worked with a woman in the late 90s whose friend was his then current (or recent, anyway) partner (not Ulrika). She'd left him several times because he'd allegedly beat her. I asked why on earth she kept going back after such abuse, the response being an arched eyebrow and "Because he was so astonishingly good in bed - the sex was amazing". My response: "Oh".
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 05, 2016, 03:57:18 PM
Think I've posted something similar before, and maybe it's not so subconscious jealousy, but I can't get worked up over the Ulrika attack. I may be very wrong here, but I doubt Stan has subsequently lacked feamale company.

I worked with a woman in the late 90s whose friend was his then current (or recent, anyway) partner (not Ulrika). She'd left him several times because he'd allegedly beat her. I asked why on earth she kept going back after such abuse, the response being an arched eyebrow and "Because he was so astonishingly good in bed - the sex was amazing". My response: "Oh".

Yeah, but he's no good outside the box.  Apparently.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: passport1 on April 05, 2016, 04:02:50 PM
Whilst he often makes valid points his problem is his short fuse.Sooner or later it would get the better of  him. No different to employing Roy Keane.It will end in tears,just a question of when.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2016, 05:35:38 PM
According to Hendrie in that awful podcast with Bullard, when they roomed at Villa, Collymore would devour porn at a ferocious rate, leaving lil'Lee clutching his Toy Story video.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
Collymore would be awful if we bought him back to the club at any capacity. Though conversely, seeing big Dion the other day on one of the MOTD programmes I thought he'd be worth a shout to come in on some sort of role, should he want it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on April 05, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Collymore would be awful if we bought him back to the club at any capacity. Though conversely, seeing big Dion the other day on one of the MOTD programmes I thought he'd be worth a shout to come in on some sort of role, should he want it.

Yeah Dion would be a good shout. He's much more level headed (except for that one time with Savage of course - but for some reason I don't hold that against him).
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2016, 09:43:42 PM
If we're going to randomly give a job to an ex-favourite, one that understood his responsibilities and wore the shirt with pride then offer it to Mellberg.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 05, 2016, 09:54:17 PM
Mellberg is actually managing now so might be a credible option in the near future.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2016, 09:54:20 PM
the person has to want to do the job. And I still content Stan is how he is because that's what he is paid to do, and over the years that's what his job has allowed him to become. If he took a different job that he actually wants he'd have to conform to the requirements and behaviours of that position. Whether or not he is qualified to do it is another question, but I don't think Stan would be how we know him now because the position wouldn't allow for it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: rob_bridge on April 05, 2016, 10:02:49 PM
Collymore would be awful if we bought him back to the club at any capacity. Though conversely, seeing big Dion the other day on one of the MOTD programmes I thought he'd be worth a shout to come in on some sort of role, should he want it.

Yeah Dion would be a good shout. He's much more level headed (except for that one time with Savage of course - but for some reason I don't hold that against him).

Dion is worth a thousand Colllymores

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 05, 2016, 11:02:34 PM
Mellberg is actually managing now so might be a credible option in the near future.

IF Brommapojkarna in what as far as I can work out is the Swedish 3rd tier since last November.

Nice dream that we could get someone to impart the integrity of Mellberg and Laursen onto the squad, but right now they're both pipedreams, Mellberg being less than 6 months into his first job in the Swedish 3rd division and Laursen is now assistant manager at Silkeborg IF in the Danish 2nd division after previously keeping Sřllerřd-Vedbćk from relegation from the Danish 3rd tier in a 6 month stint as manager.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 06, 2016, 09:31:22 AM
Collymore would be awful if we bought him back to the club at any capacity. Though conversely, seeing big Dion the other day on one of the MOTD programmes I thought he'd be worth a shout to come in on some sort of role, should he want it.

Yeah Dion would be a good shout. He's much more level headed (except for that one time with Savage of course - but for some reason I don't hold that against him).

Dion is worth a thousand Colllymores



Have to agree. Dion would be a great shout.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on April 06, 2016, 12:37:35 PM
how much compensation would we have to pay to Homes Under The Hammer?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: RussellC on April 06, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
how much compensation would we have to pay to Homes Under The Hammer?

Not sure, maybe make them a bid?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: chrisw1 on April 06, 2016, 12:57:44 PM
I don't understand the clamour to shoe horn ex-players into roles at the club.  Don't get me wrong I'm all for looking after loyal servants where appropriate, but I'd rather have the best qualified people in key positions not favourite ex-players
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on April 06, 2016, 02:42:42 PM
I don't understand the clamour to shoe horn ex-players into roles at the club.  Don't get me wrong I'm all for looking after loyal servants where appropriate, but I'd rather have the best qualified people in key positions not favourite ex-players

People definitely need to be able to do the job. But I think this reaction stems from us employing people who haven't been qualified, haven't been able to do the job and who equally haven't given a flying f@@k about the club or even about football in some cases. At least with some of the ex-players mentioned they meet part of the necessary criteria and provide a bit of balance to the idiots and sole money men.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: somec on April 10, 2016, 11:38:15 AM
So did he have this cup of tea with Sir Brian then?

If he has I'm surprised he hasn't tweeted about it yet.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2016, 12:30:51 PM
If he has then he's been told not to discuss in public. No different to if he did work for the club in any official I think he'd change what he is to act in a way becoming of the position. Stan is a gob because his current job needs or allows him to act a certain way. I think he's smart enough to be different if the circumstances demanded it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV89 on April 15, 2016, 05:33:05 PM
So did he have this cup of tea with Sir Brian then?

If he has I'm surprised he hasn't tweeted about it yet.

Tweeted this today.  Wonder if he's as excited as he was after his cup of coffee with Fox?

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/720936974073393152
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 15, 2016, 05:36:51 PM
So did he have this cup of tea with Sir Brian then?

If he has I'm surprised he hasn't tweeted about it yet.

Tweeted this today.  Wonder if he's as excited as he was after his cup of coffee with Fox?

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/720936974073393152

Tom Fox said a lot of the right things, he just didn't deliver on them. That's naturally going to be the cynical view anyone can take on this latest meeting Stan has had. However, the obvious difference is 1) Who he spoke to, 2) The role the person who he spoke to has as part of the new look organisation. Tom Fox didn't know the first thing about football. Brian Little is by very definition the exact opposite. I'd like to believe that what Little will have conveyed is actually things that he is working on with the people at the club who understand the game.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 15, 2016, 05:38:05 PM
As it has been said before, I am glad that there is dialogue with previous players, can't do any harm.......
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 16, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
As it has been said before, I am glad that there is dialogue with previous players, can't do any harm.......

Depends on which players.

I'd put Collymore somewhere below the likes of Mark Delaney, Kevin Richardson, Alan Wright, Tommy Johnson and Savo as players I'd listen to from that era, given that we're already talking to Andy Townsend.

Hell I'd probably listen to Richard Walker and Ricardo Scimeca before Collymore, mainly because I can never shake the feeling that it's all about SVC 1st, 2nd and 3rd and whatever the subject is supposed to be a distant 4th.

I will however put him above Sasa Curcic and David Ginola.

As an aside, if they're talking to former players, I hope they've contacted Nigel Spink and Alan Evans to hear about how a battered, broken and dishevelled dressing room was turned around inside 3 months last time.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: brian green on April 16, 2016, 12:12:19 PM
Nigel Spink is more the quiet type like Brian Little.  Allan Evans is the motivator.  We have missed that brand of leadership on the pitch for years now.  When was the last time you saw a Villa captain on the pitch leading by example and urging on his players for 90 minutes non stop?  Mellberg? NRC with or without the armband?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: papa lazarou on April 16, 2016, 12:52:50 PM
Nigel Spink is more the quiet type like Brian Little.  Allan Evans is the motivator.  We have missed that brand of leadership on the pitch for years now.  When was the last time you saw a Villa captain on the pitch leading by example and urging on his players for 90 minutes non stop?  Mellberg? NRC with or without the armband?

Leadership is essential and there has been no leader with a vocal presence since Stan Petrov. He also fulfilled that middle of the pitch position that we haven't be able to replicate. There has been a big hole there for four years. Stan wasn't the greatest but he didn't have to be - he did his job very well. I truly thought that Sanchez would be the one to replace him - we all make mistakes.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 16, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
What a great rant he's just done on Talksport.

I know not everyone is a fan but it's well worth a listen, digging out those players brilliantly!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: GarTomas on April 16, 2016, 07:51:04 PM
What a great rant he's just done on Talksport.

I know not everyone is a fan but it's well worth a listen, digging out those players brilliantly!

Link??
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2016, 07:54:52 PM
What a great rant he's just done on Talksport.

I know not everyone is a fan but it's well worth a listen, digging out those players brilliantly!

Link??

He said yellow is an apt colour for the players to wear. Said Joleon Lescott was talking shit with the phone bollocks and challenged him to ting up and defend his comments today. Laid into Bacuna as well (haha he's doing it again as I type this) saying after the Southampton defeat he saw Bacuna in Birmingham Airport dicking about on his segway. He said Bacuna in particular is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villafirst on April 16, 2016, 08:21:46 PM
And yet Eric Black thinks Bacuna is the best option to start!  Remove Black as fast as possible!!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2016, 08:23:00 PM
Black needs to be told that we are to take a new approach starting next week. Let's get the kids in there and ditch the obvious fuckers.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 16, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
What a great rant he's just done on Talksport.

I know not everyone is a fan but it's well worth a listen, digging out those players brilliantly!

Link??

He said yellow is an apt colour for the players to wear. Said Joleon Lescott was talking shit with the phone bollocks and challenged him to ting up and defend his comments today. Laid into Bacuna as well (haha he's doing it again as I type this) saying after the Southampton defeat he saw Bacuna in Birmingham Airport dicking about on his segway. He said Bacuna in particular is a disgrace.

What I liked about his rant was he admitted he was "crap" with us. Still "crap" enough to be a regular in the team that finished in top 7, went 12 games unbeaten at the start of 98 season and also score in a european quarter final.

So yeah his point was his worst for us was still miles better than what majority of this squad have come up with.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ozzjim on April 16, 2016, 08:32:19 PM
And yet Eric Black thinks Bacuna is the best option to start!  Remove Black as fast as possible!!

Black is clearly useless fucking cocksocket
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: auntiesledd on April 16, 2016, 08:42:47 PM
What a great rant he's just done on Talksport.

I know not everyone is a fan but it's well worth a listen, digging out those players brilliantly!

He's been on top form this evening. Fair play to 'im. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: A Northern Soul on April 16, 2016, 08:52:24 PM
He has called Lescott a tit on Twitter this evening so he is obviously a bit angry!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Matt C on April 16, 2016, 09:01:47 PM
Here's the link http://tlks.pt/t0Bu9q
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: cheadlevilla on April 16, 2016, 09:20:24 PM
Summed it up beautifully....
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 16, 2016, 09:24:57 PM
I listened to the last hour or so and he hits the nail on the head so much when it comes to Villa. I particularly liked him calling Man City and Chelsea as lotto winners without any class.
Childish, I know, but feck it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 16, 2016, 09:30:04 PM
Hats off to SVC. He speaks for me there and every other fan I would imagine.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: holte hero on April 16, 2016, 09:31:17 PM
Fresh and has the balls to speak up, you can't knock it
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 16, 2016, 09:33:55 PM
He is not my cup of tea but he seems genuinely angry at our players. He is not wrong mind. Good for him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2016, 09:34:11 PM
Collymore Rant on Talksport (http://talksport.com/football/youre-disgrace-call-me-stan-collymore-rants-aston-villa-stars-talksport-160416192319)
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV89 on April 16, 2016, 09:39:33 PM
One thing I'll say about Stan is that's he's honest enough to admit he didn't deliver at Villa.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ads on April 16, 2016, 09:45:27 PM
Sounds like he's ready to start windmilling. Good rant and they deserve to be laid out.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 16, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
wish he had shown the same passion when he played for us! - I am no fan
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
Sounds like he's ready to start windmilling. Good rant and they deserve to be laid out.

 ;D 8)

Just a shame none of them called in. I hope Lescott responds.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: FarEastVilla on April 16, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
To Those who doubted including me at times - he really is one of us . A Villa Brother.

He summed everything we felt and know about this lot with genuine passion and honesty.

Even mentioned the staff losing their jobs because of this mob.

Spoken like a true fan.

Played Stan
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2016, 10:00:15 PM
I've made it plain in the past what I think of collymore, but I agree with pretty much everything he said in that clip.

Although he still comes out with some shit, he didn't play every game of our record start to a season, we didn't didn't win every game either. A Villa fan would know that, a player that was part of the squad really should know that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 16, 2016, 10:02:07 PM
thanks for that stan

funny that you showed the same half arsed attitude as the majority of our current players when you were playing for your boyhood club that you supposedly love
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on April 16, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
Collymore Rant on Talksport (http://talksport.com/football/youre-disgrace-call-me-stan-collymore-rants-aston-villa-stars-talksport-160416192319)

Spot on Stan
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Louzie0 on April 16, 2016, 10:09:23 PM
thanks for that stan

funny that you showed the same half arsed attitude as the majority of our current players when you were playing for your boyhood club that you supposedly love
I think he covered that.
I'm wondering why you find it necessary to attack a fellow fan, especially today. Stan wasn't playing in this dreadful team. The professionals he named were and have been for some time.
Get your targets straight.
It's bad enough.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: The Left Side on April 16, 2016, 10:12:50 PM
Collymore Rant on Talksport (http://talksport.com/football/youre-disgrace-call-me-stan-collymore-rants-aston-villa-stars-talksport-160416192319)

Spot on Stan

Absolutely
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2016, 10:18:18 PM
He absolutely nails it. You know he's been waiting to unleash that. Good for him, even if some of what he says about his own time isn't entirely accurate. He got on a roll and the main message was on the money.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on April 16, 2016, 10:23:08 PM
A mate of mine sent me the link and I knew the kind of rant it would be so I sat their and thought before I listened to it 'Stan, you didn't do it for us either' but he was big enough to admit it. It's a fantastic piece of radio and fucking spot on.

Oh and if anyone hasn't seen what Lescott has said, then prepare to be angry.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 16, 2016, 10:24:24 PM
Spot on
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
thanks for that stan

funny that you showed the same half arsed attitude as the majority of our current players when you were playing for your boyhood club that you supposedly love
I think he covered that.
I'm wondering why you find it necessary to attack a fellow fan, especially today. Stan wasn't playing in this dreadful team. The professionals he named were and have been for some time.
Get your targets straight.
It's bad enough.

Well said.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on April 16, 2016, 10:25:05 PM
2 Lescott quotes doing the rounds, one is a total fabrication. Neither reflect well on him but the one which mentions going for a drink and blaming the fans was made by some twat on a windup.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on April 16, 2016, 10:26:29 PM
Quality rant.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
The real one is really poorly worded because for me Lescott is just a bit thick. I don't think he's malicious like Richards or Gabby. I actually think he cares more than those two for sure. But he's simply a bit dim in a lot of what he says or does.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2016, 10:28:06 PM
Worth adding that he supposedly met with brian little this week, so whatever they discussed didn't dampen his anger. Conjecture on my part but it's possible that the hierarchy agree and sanctioned the comments.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: CJ on April 16, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
Well said Stan - true passion saying what we all think about the 'players'
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: walsall villain on April 16, 2016, 10:44:05 PM
Well said. The trouble is I don't think it will bother the guys it's aimed at. Yes Stan wasn't great with us but there are well documented reasons for that, what are the reasons for this lot to be so crap?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 16, 2016, 11:26:27 PM
thanks for that stan

funny that you showed the same half arsed attitude as the majority of our current players when you were playing for your boyhood club that you supposedly love
I think he covered that.
I'm wondering why you find it necessary to attack a fellow fan, especially today. Stan wasn't playing in this dreadful team. The professionals he named were and have been for some time.
Get your targets straight.
It's bad enough.

Well said.

so do as i say and not as i do

in fact svc is worse has he couldnt be arsed despite being in a better team and having infinitely more talent than anyone in the current squad

and as for attacking a fellow fan i couldnt give a shit, i have my opinions you have yours and no one can call out anyone on here for not agreeing with someone else
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV89 on April 16, 2016, 11:27:40 PM
Seems Lescott has been in touch....

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721462959650795520
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 16, 2016, 11:28:33 PM
I don't have a lot of time for Collymore, as much because of some of the horse shit he comes out with now, as for how it all turned sour with us, but he has absolutely nailed it with that one.

The only "shame" in it is that that spunk bucket Richards wasn't on the pitch to be the focus of that diatribe instead of Lescott..
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 16, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
Seems Lescott has been in touch....

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721462959650795520

It's been deleted. What did it say?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Louzie0 on April 16, 2016, 11:32:54 PM
thanks for that stan

funny that you showed the same half arsed attitude as the majority of our current players when you were playing for your boyhood club that you supposedly love
I think he covered that.
I'm wondering why you find it necessary to attack a fellow fan, especially today. Stan wasn't playing in this dreadful team. The professionals he named were and have been for some time.
Get your targets straight.
It's bad enough.

Well said.

so do as i say and not as i do

in fact svc is worse has he couldnt be arsed despite being in a better team and having infinitely more talent than anyone in the current squad

and as for attacking a fellow fan i couldnt give a shit, i have my opinions you have yours and no one can call out anyone on here for not agreeing with someone else
Yes I can.
This squad is the worst. Stan is not part of it and God, they are crap.
Which bit of that do you not agree with?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: walsall villain on April 16, 2016, 11:34:40 PM
thanks for that stan

funny that you showed the same half arsed attitude as the majority of our current players when you were playing for your boyhood club that you supposedly love
I think he covered that.
I'm wondering why you find it necessary to attack a fellow fan, especially today. Stan wasn't playing in this dreadful team. The professionals he named were and have been for some time.
Get your targets straight.
It's bad enough.

Well said.

so do as i say and not as i do

in fact svc is worse has he couldnt be arsed despite being in a better team and having infinitely more talent than anyone in the current squad

and as for attacking a fellow fan i couldnt give a shit, i have my opinions you have yours and no one can call out anyone on here for not agreeing with someone else
I thought it was well known at the time that collymore was suffering from depression so why keep trotting this view out?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV89 on April 16, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
Seems Lescott has been in touch....

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721462959650795520

It's been deleted. What did it say?

Basically Lescott objecting to being called a tit and saying he thinks the same about SVC.  Then goes on to challenge him to meet him to sort it out as men

Collymore then responds by telling him  "your not talking to one of your lightweight team mates now".
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 16, 2016, 11:36:20 PM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: walsall villain on April 16, 2016, 11:37:55 PM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
I was talking out his time as a player with us, not before or not after.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on April 16, 2016, 11:38:24 PM
Seems Lescott has been in touch....

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721462959650795520

It's been deleted. What did it say?

Basically Lescott objecting to being called a tit and saying he thinks the same about SVC.  Then goes on to challenge him to meet him to sort it out as men

Collymore then responds by telling him  "your not talking to one of your lightweight team mates now".
I like that response.  That said I think Lescott would probably win that fight.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: villan from luton on April 16, 2016, 11:38:39 PM
Pair of twats IMHO, supposedly massive Villa fans but neither of them really showed it
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2016, 11:39:02 PM
I reckon Lescott would batter collymore. I'd pay good money to watch it though as I think both are twats so whoever loses, i'll win.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 16, 2016, 11:39:18 PM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
I was talking out his time as a player with us, not before or not after.

The same principle exists. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: walsall villain on April 16, 2016, 11:41:47 PM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
I was talking out his time as a player with us, not before or not after.

The same principle exists. 
Well if he didn't play as well as anticipated for us but was actually depressed then it would excuse it for me.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2016, 11:43:44 PM
Can we not start the depression topic again, because I'm depressed enough without having to discuss depression.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: villan from luton on April 16, 2016, 11:44:11 PM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
I was talking out his time as a player with us, not before or not after.

The same principle exists. 
Well if he didn't play as well as anticipated for us but was actually depressed then it would excuse it for me.

I was depressed watching him play for us as rarely seemed to giver a toss
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 16, 2016, 11:44:41 PM
Seems Lescott has been in touch....

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721462959650795520

It's been deleted. What did it say?

Basically Lescott objecting to being called a tit and saying he thinks the same about SVC.  Then goes on to challenge him to meet him to sort it out as men

Collymore then responds by telling him  "your not talking to one of your lightweight team mates now".

Nice reply, Stan.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: myf on April 16, 2016, 11:44:45 PM
SVC then tweeted; sorry didn't mean to tweet that  - phone was in pocket!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 16, 2016, 11:45:00 PM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
I was talking out his time as a player with us, not before or not after.

The same principle exists. 
Well if he didn't play as well as anticipated for us but was actually depressed then it would excuse it for me.

For three years? And it started when he joined us? I know he's ill and I have a lot of time for the way he highlights the problem but it's just too convenient to say his illness gives him a free pass throughout.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Jimbo on April 16, 2016, 11:45:44 PM
The tasteless depression comments aside, he's not wrong about the current wasters, is he?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 16, 2016, 11:50:38 PM
A free pass throughout what though? All he's done is highlight how bad the Villa are. What's that got to do with his depression?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Louzie0 on April 16, 2016, 11:56:58 PM
The tasteless depression comments aside, he's not wrong about the current wasters, is he?
No; a complete waste of space in a premier league team. Stan named names on air.
That was a very brave thing to do.
The PFA would be very angry. 
Some players might actually tweet about it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: walsall villain on April 16, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
I was talking out his time as a player with us, not before or not after.

The same principle exists. 
Well if he didn't play as well as anticipated for us but was actually depressed then it would excuse it for me.

For three years? And it started when he joined us? I know he's ill and I have a lot of time for the way he highlights the problem but it's just too convenient to say his illness gives him a free pass throughout.
As you and I don't know how long he has suffered from depression for and when he was last troubled by it perhaps we best drop this? I don't recall him being as crap as the playing level of our current crop though at any time with us.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 16, 2016, 11:59:33 PM
A free pass throughout what though? All he's done is highlight how bad the Villa are. What's that got to do with his depression?

Throughout his time as a Villa player, which is what we were talking about.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Jimbo on April 17, 2016, 12:03:39 AM
Yes, how could someone possibly suffer from depression for three whole years?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on April 17, 2016, 12:05:33 AM
Isn't this the second time this season Lescott has offered someone out? It was a fan before I think.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: walsall villain on April 17, 2016, 12:06:25 AM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
This is what you said
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: andyh on April 17, 2016, 12:07:09 AM
Yes, how could someone possibly suffer from depression for three whole years?
Not sure if this is a serious question?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 12:07:54 AM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
This is what you said

Other than the Ulrika thing what's he done that's so bad anyway?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 12:08:23 AM
Yes, how could someone possibly suffer from depression for three whole years?
Not sure if this is a serious question?

I think he was being ironic.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on April 17, 2016, 12:08:37 AM
Yes, how could someone possibly suffer from depression for three whole years?
Not sure if this is a serious question?

Pretty sure that's sarcasm.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 17, 2016, 12:09:42 AM
Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
This is what you said

And this is what I then said:

Is everything he's ever done and ever will do going to be excused because of his illness?
I was talking out his time as a player with us, not before or not after.

The same principle exists. 
Well if he didn't play as well as anticipated for us but was actually depressed then it would excuse it for me.

For three years? And it started when he joined us? I know he's ill and I have a lot of time for the way he highlights the problem but it's just too convenient to say his illness gives him a free pass throughout.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 17, 2016, 12:10:09 AM
Having read again what Lescott said I genuinely think he is just thick and has a really bad way with words.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: andyh on April 17, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
Yes, how could someone possibly suffer from depression for three whole years?
Not sure if this is a serious question?

Pretty sure that's sarcasm.
I hope and think it is. Depression can be a life long affliction, and should not be ridiculed or down played.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Jimbo on April 17, 2016, 12:13:22 AM
Yes, how could someone possibly suffer from depression for three whole years?
Not sure if this is a serious question?

Pretty sure that's sarcasm.
I hope and think it is. Depression can be a life long affliction, and should not be ridiculed or down played.

You're correct. Now go and look for instances where it is actually being downplayed.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: FatSam on April 17, 2016, 12:16:22 AM
Collymore is just a shock jock trying to drum up business by being confrontational. I'm happy when people openly support Villa, especially in high profile positions, but he isn't very coherent, and i don't think people should take too much notice.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 17, 2016, 12:20:00 AM
Collymore is just a shock jock trying to drum up business by being confrontational. I'm happy when people openly support Villa, especially in high profile positions, but he isn't very coherent, and i don't think people should take too much notice.

I don't like Collymore or want him connected with Villa in an official capacity. But pretty much everything he said tonight I agree with.

Also, it's good that someone in the media is calling out the correct players who head the list of blame, rather than the lazy bollocks that we're in this mess because 'that O'Reilly bought some foreign players he'd seen on his Playstation'.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Louzie0 on April 17, 2016, 12:21:16 AM
Collymore is just a shock jock trying to drum up business by being confrontational. I'm happy when people openly support Villa, especially in high profile positions, but he isn't very coherent, and i don't think people should take too much notice.
He's a fan. I don't care how coherent he is.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 12:21:23 AM
Collymore is just a shock jock trying to drum up business by being confrontational. I'm happy when people openly support Villa, especially in high profile positions, but he isn't very coherent, and i don't think people should take too much notice.

Nah! What's to disagree with anything he's said tonight?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: tomd2103 on April 17, 2016, 12:23:13 AM
The real one is really poorly worded because for me Lescott is just a bit thick. I don't think he's malicious like Richards or Gabby. I actually think he cares more than those two for sure. But he's simply a bit dim in a lot of what he says or does.

Don't think so TV.  The car tweet shows he's cut from exactly the same cloth as the other two pillocks you mentioned.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ozzjim on April 17, 2016, 12:28:17 AM
Oh Lescott has proven himself to be in that boat. The gum antics at Wycombe did that. He is a twat. Collymore calling him out though, considering some of the shit he put the club through which can't all be excused by his illness, is a bit pot and kettle, as much as I fully agree with him.

The stuff about Bacuna smiling at the final whistle I agree with too, what I don't want is a bloke who has done some very unsavoury things in public to be connected to Villa in an official capacity, which is essentially what he spends a lot of time canvassing for.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on April 17, 2016, 12:28:20 AM
Collymore is just a shock jock trying to drum up business by being confrontational. I'm happy when people openly support Villa, especially in high profile positions, but he isn't very coherent, and i don't think people should take too much notice.
He's a fan. I don't care how coherent he is.

This.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Irish villain on April 17, 2016, 12:31:08 AM
Collymore had his problems with us and a serious disease. He still gave us a few great moments: Gregory's first game against Liverpool and that goal against A. Madrid in the Uefa Cup.

Also, he has articulated the frustration, disbelief and anger of the villa base with what has been going on at villa for the last few years. He gets certain things wrong (who doesn't), but good on him for his appraisal of players and Lerner.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: FatSam on April 17, 2016, 12:44:58 AM
He's just trying to goad Lescott et al to phone in because it would make good radio. I'm not saying that they don't deserve criticism.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Steve67 on April 17, 2016, 12:47:49 AM
Collymore acknowledges that he was poor at Villa. That was then, this is now. He's calling them out, just like we are. I'm not his biggest fan but they deserve what Collymore is giving them.  He has the audience, the medium to do it. So, fuck it, give it to them!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 17, 2016, 01:00:14 AM
The tweet exchange is contained within this article.

http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2016/4/17/11445126/stan-collymore-joleon-lescott-aston-villa-relegation-twitter-message
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: brontebilly on April 17, 2016, 02:22:13 AM
SVC is an oxygen thief and an utter scumbag to boot

I f*cking despise him, an utter disgrace in a Villa shirt

When the history of AVFC is updated 10 years from now on the biggest c*nts to wear our shirt will include:

Richards, Lescott, Flabby and.....will still include SVC
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Monty on April 17, 2016, 02:54:40 AM
Where he had a real point was about the redundancies coming up at the club. Those people have been cost their jobs by a bunch of coasting millionaires who couldn't give a fuck, and have no problem having people who earn 100 times less than them lose their jobs while they 'earn' theirs on the piss in Marbella. Fuck these arsehole players. May their wives leave them and fuck them over intensely on the alimony. And after they've retired, so they can never get that money back.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PhilVill on April 17, 2016, 06:26:39 AM
I agree, the real tragedy here is that good folks are losing their jobs because of poor mismanagement and a dressing room that couldn't give a fuck and has been allowed to do so for eons.

So therefore I couldn't care less who is calling these players out publicly and their reason for doing so, I'm just pleased someone is.

Personally, Lescott should never have played for the club again the minute he sent that vile tweet of his car, talk about a huge 'fuck you' to the fans.

I think we can safely say there will be some very nasty stories coming out this week now that the big 'R' has been slapped by our name, leaked by players, agents, management and even David Cameron no doubt...

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: brian green on April 17, 2016, 06:41:39 AM
Mont, you have unerringly touched on the point my wife makes when I rant about the unfairness of obscene wages for footballers and the insecurity of the humble employees who lose their jobs.  She points out that professional footballers being almost entirely stupid dispose of their income as fast as they 'earn' it.  Gabby playing shit at Villa Park might cost a cleaner there a job, but his activities in Star City or Dubai enable cleaners to be employed at those places.  Society as a whole only has a problem with footballers when they bury the money they have sucked out of the economy in Panama or under the pavements of Zurich.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 17, 2016, 08:00:56 AM
Isn't this the second time this season Lescott has offered someone out? It was a fan before I think.

Yeah but the guy did threaten to cut him a new scar. He's a prick but that is out of order
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on April 17, 2016, 08:19:20 AM
There is a mistake with connecting a players persona and what we think we know about them aligned to their knowledge of the game. Anyone at any level can be a connoisseur of football and understand it at every level the same way a physicist can explain the galaxies or a biologist can explain the building blocks of life rather than someone like a religious person can explain them.

I'm not saying that Stan's the man for Villa in any capacity but that he may have a good knowledge of the game that may be tapped into. Being a twat only makes it difficult for him to be employed (not my personal opinion that Stan is - I don't know him) not that his ideas have no value.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 17, 2016, 08:30:07 AM
I can take or leave SVC. But he's only saying publicly what most of us think. So what if he's been a cock over the years?

We're all fucking hypocrites to a smaller or larger extent anyway. And is the remit on Villa that we dismiss anyone's opinion who has a history?

No new manager for us then.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Olof's Beard on April 17, 2016, 08:30:50 AM
I suppose I am the only one who thinks that players' words are too heavily scrutinised? They don't claim to be great orators I'm sure, what Lescott said was clumsy but if you want to understand what he was trying to say, you can. He's not been great this season, but our only decent run of any sort of hope came when 5 or 6 players picked up their form for a period of time - and he and Okore were at the forefront of that.

Lescott has been a good professional most of his career, Garde trusted him and he has offered to stay and help in the Championship (whether we want him to do so is another matter of course). The car tweet was a bizarre incident granted but he has sent Collymore a private message here and it should have remained so. Stan's rant contains plenty of good points but he got very personal when he said Lescott had ridden the success of team mates in the past, so Lescott reacted, which is fair enough.

The players have been utterly embarrassing, I hope they know it and Lescott is way past his best so takes his share of the blame. But I think there have been worse culprits in terms of both ability and attitude.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2016, 08:37:17 AM
I suppose I am the only one who thinks that players' words are too heavily scrutinised? They don't claim to be great orators I'm sure, what Lescott said was clumsy but if you want to understand what he was trying to say, you can. He's not been great this season, but our only decent run of any sort of hope came when 5 or 6 players picked up their form for a period of time - and he and Okore were at the forefront of that.

Lescott has been a good professional most of his career, Garde trusted him and he has offered to stay and help in the Championship (whether we want him to do so is another matter of course). The car tweet was a bizarre incident granted but he has sent Collymore a private message here and it should have remained so. Stan's rant contains plenty of good points but he got very personal when he said Lescott had ridden the success of team mates in the past, so Lescott reacted, which is fair enough.

The players have been utterly embarrassing, I hope they know it and Lescott is way past his best so takes his share of the blame. But I think there have been worse culprits in terms of both ability and attitude.

I agree. I think Lescott's comments were clumsy but well intentioned, and as much as some of Collymore's comments hit the mark, he's throwing them from the Crystal Palace in my book.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 17, 2016, 08:48:53 AM
Footballer says something stupid shocker.

I think the car tweet was far worse than this - he has tried to say something placatory in a clumsy way and come out with this.

Let's face it, thid relegation has been like a slow death.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2016, 08:54:49 AM
Seems Lescott has been in touch....

https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721462959650795520

It's been deleted. What did it say?

Basically Lescott objecting to being called a tit and saying he thinks the same about SVC.  Then goes on to challenge him to meet him to sort it out as men

Collymore then responds by telling him  "your not talking to one of your lightweight team mates now".

Nice reply, Stan.

To which I think the obvious retort is "and we're not one of your ex-girlfriends."
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 17, 2016, 08:56:49 AM
Footballer says something stupid shocker.

I think the car tweet was far worse than this - he has tried to say something placatory in a clumsy way and come out with this.

Let's face it, thid relegation has been like a slow death.

Yes the longest relegation in football history. Although we didn't know it but the minute MON walked out the countdown began.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: clash city rocker on April 17, 2016, 08:58:12 AM
A toxic atmosphere all around regarding us at the moment. No idea what the atmosphere will be like at villa park now.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on April 17, 2016, 09:11:14 AM
Footballer says something stupid shocker.

I think the car tweet was far worse than this - he has tried to say something placatory in a clumsy way and come out with this.

Let's face it, thid relegation has been like a slow death.

Yes the longest relegation in football history. Although we didn't know it but the minute MON walked out the countdown began.
O Neill is a pube-headed asshole of the highest order, but he's also clever. He probably saw where the club was headed under Lerner and Faulkner and of course he was always going to look after his reputation and leave as a top 6 manager, rather than leave as one who dangles their bollocks over the shark pit year after year.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on April 17, 2016, 09:37:56 AM
Stan is never too far away from reports of a 'Twitter Spat', whilst I agree with what he said it shows, yet again, his lack of judgment in publicising the private message. It should have remained private.

Stans work rate would have fitted this team like a glove.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 17, 2016, 09:56:52 AM
Footballer says something stupid shocker.

I think the car tweet was far worse than this - he has tried to say something placatory in a clumsy way and come out with this.

Let's face it, thid relegation has been like a slow death.

Yes the longest relegation in football history. Although we didn't know it but the minute MON walked out the countdown began.
O Neill is a pube-headed asshole of the highest order, but he's also clever. He probably saw where the club was headed under Lerner and Faulkner and of course he was always going to look after his reputation and leave as a top 6 manager, rather than leave as one who dangles their bollocks over the shark pit year after year.

Yes I totally agree. I'm not defending MON at all.

To leave us DAYS before the new season shows what he thought about us but he knew then that things had turned.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 09:59:10 AM
O'Neill left because he knew what was coming. The day Lerner decided he wasn't interested anymore was the very day our decline to the Championship began.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
O'Neill left because he knew what was coming. The day Lerner decided he wasn't interested anymore was the very day our decline to the Championship began.

You're constant anger at Lerner has made you lose context. O'Neill left because he couldn't get what he wanted all the time anymore. Don't excuse what he did just to have another go at Lerner. MON is every bit a part of what has happened to us.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 10:48:49 AM
O'Neill left because he knew what was coming. The day Lerner decided he wasn't interested anymore was the very day our decline to the Championship began.

You're constant anger at Lerner has made you lose context. O'Neill left because he couldn't get what he wanted all the time anymore. Don't excuse what he did just to have another go at Lerner. MON is every bit a part of what has happened to us.

I'll criticise when I choose. I was criticising him while you were still worshipping at his feet.
O'Neill left nearby 6 years ago. If you think he has anything to do with what happened yesterday you need your head testing.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on April 17, 2016, 10:55:30 AM
O'Neill left because he knew what was coming. The day Lerner decided he wasn't interested anymore was the very day our decline to the Championship began.

You're constant anger at Lerner has made you lose context. O'Neill left because he couldn't get what he wanted all the time anymore. Don't excuse what he did just to have another go at Lerner. MON is every bit a part of what has happened to us.

I'll criticise when I choose. I was criticising him while you were still worshipping at his feet.
O'Neill left nearby 6 years ago. If you think he has anything to do with what happened yesterday you need your head testing.

It's ok for you to criticise but not for people not to critcise? How does that work?

For what it's worth, I don't think we can blame O'Neil for where we are today. That said, he walked out in an almighty strop when he couldn't get any more money to the countless millions he'd already spent. Any other decent manager would have attempted to work with what he had for a season.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 11:02:24 AM
O'Neill left because he knew what was coming. The day Lerner decided he wasn't interested anymore was the very day our decline to the Championship began.

You're constant anger at Lerner has made you lose context. O'Neill left because he couldn't get what he wanted all the time anymore. Don't excuse what he did just to have another go at Lerner. MON is every bit a part of what has happened to us.

I'll criticise when I choose. I was criticising him while you were still worshipping at his feet.
O'Neill left nearby 6 years ago. If you think he has anything to do with what happened yesterday you need your head testing.

You said O'Neill left because he knew what was coming which is every bit as nonsensical as you knowing what was coming. Nobody could see this happening six years ago. If our relegation was a recipe then MON is significant ingredient into how this all happened. I'm not excusing Lerner for what has happened since or blaming MON for some of the mental decisions taken, but I'm not giving him a pass for playing his part in the financially disastrous position his tenure put us in. Had he stuck around and continued to get his way we'd we way more fucked than we are today.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Pete3206 on April 17, 2016, 11:05:30 AM
A toxic atmosphere all around regarding us at the moment. No idea what the atmosphere will be like at villa park now.

Toxic?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2016, 11:11:08 AM
O'Neill left because he didn't fancy having a budget - suggesting it was because he saw things coming is clearly wrong as the next year we spent 20m on a single player.

It isn't his fault we got relegated, but the reckless money wasting he was left to engage in for four years both contributed to where we are now, and is a symptom of lerner's complete failure to ever install competent management to look after his investment.

Anyone who thinks there is one single reason we are where we are hasnt been watching very closely.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2016, 11:11:55 AM
The buck stops with Lerner, but the time under O'Neill constitutes a massive part of the Ł300m wasted outlay.  A crap player like Marlon Harewood cost us the best part of Ł10m in tranfer fee and salary.


edit: or what Paulie just said.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: andyh on April 17, 2016, 11:16:25 AM

Apologies if this has already been posted, but it's a great listen.
Love him or loathe him, its what many of us would like to rant.


http://talksport.com/football/youre-disgrace-call-me-stan-collymore-rants-aston-villa-stars-talksport-160416192319
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 11:16:58 AM
O'Neill left because he knew what was coming. The day Lerner decided he wasn't interested anymore was the very day our decline to the Championship began.

You're constant anger at Lerner has made you lose context. O'Neill left because he couldn't get what he wanted all the time anymore. Don't excuse what he did just to have another go at Lerner. MON is every bit a part of what has happened to us.

I'll criticise when I choose. I was criticising him while you were still worshipping at his feet.
O'Neill left nearby 6 years ago. If you think he has anything to do with what happened yesterday you need your head testing.

You said O'Neill left because he knew what was coming which is every bit as nonsensical as you knowing what was coming. Nobody could see this happening six years ago. If our relegation was a recipe then MON is significant ingredient into how this all happened. I'm not excusing Lerner for what has happened since or blaming MON for some of the mental decisions taken, but I'm not giving him a pass for playing his part in the financially disastrous position his tenure put us in. Had he stuck around and continued to get his way we'd we way more fucked than we are today.

Call me naive but I'd suggest O'Neill would know a little bit more about what was going on at Villa 6 years ago than you or I. He'd also be privy to the future direction to the club as well, which is the reason I think he left.
Our relegation is down to Lerner.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: OzVilla on April 17, 2016, 11:17:40 AM
Yes a massive missed opportunity but the reality of 6 years later to have 16 points from 32 games is really nothing to do with MON. A lot of water has passed under that bridge that has nothing whatsoever to o with MON.

'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans arn't blaming King Kenny for not challenging for a Champs League spot this season after he left 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: HolmesyVilla on April 17, 2016, 11:20:33 AM
A toxic atmosphere all around regarding us at the moment. No idea what the atmosphere will be like at villa park now.

Toxic?

Yes makes Britney sound like Hans Christian Anderson

For me on Stan the man yes he let me down as a Villa player, massively, and regrettably, he should have fired us back to the big time...ah well..
 
  As a voice for us I love him still, he hasn't given up on the mighty Aston Villa, just like me.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 17, 2016, 11:27:04 AM
We've been relegated due to incompetence.

A club can afford incompetence in just about any employee, but the one person you can't afford to be a dribbling imbecile is the one who appoints all the others.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on April 17, 2016, 11:31:54 AM

Apologies if this has already been posted, but it's a great listen.
Love him or loathe him, its what many of us would like to rant.


http://talksport.com/football/youre-disgrace-call-me-stan-collymore-rants-aston-villa-stars-talksport-160416192319

Yup! That is indeed a grand rant.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: HolmesyVilla on April 17, 2016, 12:06:35 PM

Apologies if this has already been posted, but it's a great listen.
Love him or loathe him, its what many of us would like to rant.


http://talksport.com/football/youre-disgrace-call-me-stan-collymore-rants-aston-villa-stars-talksport-160416192319

Yup! That is indeed a grand rant.

As a neutral it's on a par with Keegan when he went mental on sky about fergie when they was going for the title.
  As a Villa fan it's better
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 12:19:38 PM
O'Neill left because he knew what was coming. The day Lerner decided he wasn't interested anymore was the very day our decline to the Championship began.

You're constant anger at Lerner has made you lose context. O'Neill left because he couldn't get what he wanted all the time anymore. Don't excuse what he did just to have another go at Lerner. MON is every bit a part of what has happened to us.

I'll criticise when I choose. I was criticising him while you were still worshipping at his feet.
O'Neill left nearby 6 years ago. If you think he has anything to do with what happened yesterday you need your head testing.

You said O'Neill left because he knew what was coming which is every bit as nonsensical as you knowing what was coming. Nobody could see this happening six years ago. If our relegation was a recipe then MON is significant ingredient into how this all happened. I'm not excusing Lerner for what has happened since or blaming MON for some of the mental decisions taken, but I'm not giving him a pass for playing his part in the financially disastrous position his tenure put us in. Had he stuck around and continued to get his way we'd we way more fucked than we are today.

Call me naive but I'd suggest O'Neill would know a little bit more about what was going on at Villa 6 years ago than you or I. He'd also be privy to the future direction to the club as well, which is the reason I think he left.
Our relegation is down to Lerner.

The direction of the club was the world that MON had created and anything that deviated from that was wrong. Once that happened and he didn't have full control then it didn't matter to him what the new direction was, he wasn't standing for it. The direction that club wanted to take was to have a greater partnership with the manager and ultimately a lot more detailed analysis of the new money being spent on players, and the money being wasted on players that were already at the club. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. As far as MON was concerned the future of the club didn't extend beyond the tip of his nose.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 01:22:42 PM
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I’ll Help Villa & Will Retire From Broadcasting If I Fail
STAN COLLYMORE   on April 17, 2016 at 11:54 am
11/4Jamie Vardy - Top Scorer 2015/16 EPL
Villa v Leicester.

East v West.

One team is full of men, one boys.

One team knows the value of unity and trust, one team don’t trust themselves.

One team has Vardy, a latchkey who’s played in the mud and the crap, been kicked by old school centre halves, one team has Gabby Agbonlahor, a player who’s been cosseted in a Premier League club bubble on too much money for too long, and indulged in his excess by every one of the last four Villa managers, leading to a Premier League striker, in April, yes April, being ordered to have a personal training programme.

Why? Because Gabby, you are fat.
One team will win the title, the other relegated.

One backroom staff eat, sleep and drink together with smiles and support, the other closes its doors, doesn’t talk, won’t accept help.

If ever there was a comparison of two clubs, two teams and two seasons for youngsters, analysts, pundits and fans to use in the future model of footballing success or failure, then compare two clubs separated by a few M6 and M69 junctions.

Villa has been rotten for years, and believe me, the way Leicester were meandering before Nigel Pearson came in and added direction, passion and spirit to the club, the Foxes could have gone on to be rotten too, but the former Sheffield Wednesday and Boro skipper is an old school football man, no nonsense, doesn’t accept fools or frauds and was the founder of this incredible Leicester success.

Take the central defenders.

Wes Morgan and Robert Huth. Two men’s men, two guys who I know as an ex pro I would listen to, follow and be inspired by.

Then take Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards, two players who should be miles ahead – even at this late stage of their careers – of the Leicester pair but who’ve been protected by the hype, the money and the sheer excess of a league which over 38 games finds frauds out.

The car tweet which was bullshit, the “weight of our shoulders” post-match comments, Micah’s trip to Dubai , rubbing Villa fans noses in it at a time he should have been somewhere quiet, recharge and out of the way, but no, two former Premier League winners no less decided that their way, the excessive way was best, while Huth and Morgan were probably at home, with family, getting on with preparing properly.

I had a coffee with Brian Little at my house last Friday, a man I let down when I played for Villa, and whom I owe a lot, firstly for giving me the opportunity to live a childhood dream, but secondly someone who’s listened to my thoughts about the club I love and desperately want to right the poor time I had there as a player.

Many Villa fans say I was the same as Lescott, Gabby and Richards. Not anywhere near.
At my poorest I came on against Champions Arsenal at 2-0 down and helped us to a 3-2 win. At my poorest I played in every game of a club record unbeaten streak. At my poorest I helped raise the roof at Villa Park v Atletico in a UEFA Cup QF, playing the likes of Vieri and co. I was crap, unproductive and it was a horror spell of my career for many reasons but please never think I’d be cocky enough to goad Villa fans with my latest car picture or quite happily insult Villa fans by playing two stones overweight.

How about the comparison between two of our own, Marc Albrighton and Jack Grealish. I love both, have chatted to both, but where Marc moved on, grafted his way into the Leicester team and will win a winners medal, rumours persist of Jack the lad on the town in Brum, surrounded by the hangers ons. That should worry every Villa fan as this lad has genuine quality, is twice the talent of Albrighton, yet may have so been infected by the ‘couldn’t give a shit’ attitude of the seniors that it’s only going to be a very strong manager that gets him back on track.

How about the lovely picture of Leandro the hover boy at Old Trafford? Crouching, hands on thighs, not sweating and straining with desire or passion, no, not Champions League bound Bacuna, a big smile, barely a bead of sweat, lad looked as though he’d hit the jackpot and won the league all in one go, rather than have the shame of helping relegate one of Britain’s great football clubs.

There are lots of frauds in football, data analysts whose work still can’t prove a player is good or not, too many layers of jobs for the boys (Fox/Almstadt/Reilly), too many people trying to feather their own nest and cash in on the gravy train and excess. Yet little Leicester, like the little Leicester of Elliot, Taggart, Izzet, Lennon and co prove that basics, real men rather than boys, camaraderie rather than selfishness can still bring rewards, and in spades.

I’ve offered my help to Villa many times, its tangible and would guarantee success otherwise I wouldn’t offer it but alas Mr Lerner in his stateside bunker would rather frauds like Fox than a man desperate to make amends for a poor spell back in the 90’s at the club he loves, and who lives 15 miles from the training ground.

So here is an offer for Mr Lerner and the Villa board.

Give me 12 months to report on players and find the gems and the characters to take Villa forward.
Give me 12 months at Bodymoor to be a player liaison, to get into them, to cuddle, bollock and help them settle and understand our great club.
Give me 12 months to meet the parents and guardians of the local kid that’s wavering between Villa or Albion, and I’ll persuade them B6 is for them.

Let me use my profile and contacts to get players first for our club, rather than gambles and journeymen.

If I fail , I’ll retire from broadcasting, I’ll shut down my social media feed, and you’ll never hear any criticism of Villa or its staff again.

When I succeed, you’ll have a Premier League club, you’ll have players you can rely on, and you’ll have a scouting and football admin department that will be the envy of the league.

Nothing to lose. I’ll put my money where my mouth is, Mr Lerner, time you did the same.

Up The Villa.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 17, 2016, 01:41:08 PM
Whatever you think of Stan, that was spot on
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2016, 01:48:07 PM
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At my poorest I played in every game of a club record unbeaten streak.

I wish he'd stop saying this as he didn't. He played in one of the first 6 games.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Pete3206 on April 17, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Wow
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 17, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
See, what he was saying last night was spot on. A media personality getting the views of most of us into the wider media.

Today - me, me, me, me. Gizzus a job that I'm in no way qualified for. Back to form.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 02:04:40 PM
I don't read it that way. He's offering to help. It's not like he's unemployed, he has a very well paid job.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Pete3206 on April 17, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
Same here TV. That's a passionate rant and clearly from the heart. I'm no big SVC fan, but I wish just one of our players cared as much.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2016, 02:13:59 PM
His help would "guarantee success". Wow.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Adam B on April 17, 2016, 02:20:51 PM
Can't fault much of what he says, except he'd be better off saying all this to Brian Little, not airing it in the media.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 02:21:29 PM
His help would "guarantee success". Wow.

Obviously there's a lot of ego in there but I think a good part of it is his exposure to how other clubs have done it. His job has allowed him access to a lot of clubs that have set up systems that he would want us to consider. I like some of his ideas because I don't think in many ways we have ever broken away from Ellis' corner shop mentality and lots of clubs have just passed us by. The structure at Villa is broken and we need to catch up as quickly as possible. It isn't just money that will fix the problem either. It is a ground up rebuilding in every department that is needed and what he is suggesting or has suggested at other times.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2016, 02:22:27 PM
Can't fault much of what he says, except he'd be better off saying all this to Brian Little, not airing it in the media.

He can't even have a coffee with Sir Brian without telling the world, so no chance of that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on April 17, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
Fucking hell this Collymore bloke sounds good, what experience does he have in these roles? Can't wait to hear the references.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 17, 2016, 02:25:52 PM
His help would "guarantee success". Wow.

Obviously there's a lot of ego in there but I think a good part of it is his exposure to how other clubs have done it. His job has allowed him access to a lot of clubs that have set up systems that he would want us to consider. I like some of his ideas because I don't think in many ways we have ever broken away from Ellis' corner shop mentality and lots of clubs have just passed us by. The structure at Villa is broken and we need to catch up as quickly as possible. It isn't just money that will fix the problem either. It is a ground up rebuilding in every department that is needed and what he is suggesting or has suggested at other times.

And there's no problem with him suggesting his ideas.

But is he the most qualified person out there to implement them? And if so, what qualifies him?

If we hired someone whose only experience was a radio presenter and footballer who hadn't been connected with Villa, this board would explode. Because Collymore played mostly poorly for us and wants to make up for it this makes him the best person for the job?

Haven't we hired enough under qualified people in the last five years to have learnt a lesson?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 17, 2016, 02:37:46 PM
The one thing that's clear about Collymore is that he can't bear the slightest bit of criticism without flying off the handle. That alone makes him unsuitable for any job at a football club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2016, 02:40:52 PM
I'm listening to him commentate on the Leicester game. I've said it before but he keeps saying "likkle", so for that reason alone i'm out.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
But he's not asking to be the Chief Executive Sheffield. He's offering himself in a Brian Marwood role or he's mentioned before as an ambassador to the club or consultant. He's throwing out various scenarios but what would the qualifications be for a football specific role at the club? He's been in the game a long time and as I was pointing out his access behind the scenes at other clubs puts him in a very unique position. And as I've said before I don't think he'd be the mouthpiece he is now because the job wouldn't allow it. He is what he is because his job affords him licence to speak his mind.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 17, 2016, 02:48:55 PM
But he's not asking to be the Chief Executive Sheffield. He's offering himself in a Brian Marwood role or he's mentioned before as an ambassador to the club or consultant. He's throwing out various scenarios but what would the qualifications be for a football specific role at the club? He's been in the game a long time and as I was pointing out his access behind the scenes at other clubs puts him in a very unique position. And as I've said before I don't think he'd be the mouthpiece he is now because the job wouldn't allow it. He is what he is because his job affords him licence to speak his mind.

In his post, he appears to be talking about being a scout, a player liaison and a youth recruitment officer.

Qualifications - having done it before?

Brian Marwood is in an executive role, by the way. Football Administration Officer. He was given this role as he had experience as an executive being Chairman of the PFA and a Marketing Manager for Nike. He also has various administrative and business qualifications. Not because he spouted off on the radio every Saturday.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 02:53:35 PM
Ok the Marwood example wasn't great. It's something he's mentioned and clearly Marwood was cut out for that given his prior experience. But for the other stuff he's mentioned, I don't see why not. We've been asking to have football knowledge at the club and he has it. And as for prior experience of scouting, it's not like our existing scouting network with all their experience are proving their worth. It would be hard to do worse.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2016, 02:53:47 PM
I have likkle doubt he would still spout off. He strikes me (well he doesn't because i'm not a woman *baddumtish) as someone that can't help it. As I said earlier, he couldn't even go for a coffee without telling everyone numerous times. And as Dave says, he can't take criticism. Even if I liked him i'd be convinced it would end in tears.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 17, 2016, 02:55:44 PM
Ok the Marwood example wasn't great. It's something he's mentioned and clearly Marwood was cut out for that given his prior experience. But for the other stuff he's mentioned, I don't see why not. We've been asking to have football knowledge at the club and he has it. And as for prior experience of scouting, it's not like our existing scouting network with all their experience are proving their worth. It would be hard to do worse.

It'd be quite easy to do better though, by appointing scouts who'd done it before and with success at other clubs.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2016, 03:04:56 PM
His co-commentator basically just told him to shut up and let him speak and say why he thought it wasn't a dive by Vardy, collymore thinks it was. Which kind of sums collymore up, loves his own voice and is always right as far as he is concerned, and I don't think that would change regardless of working for the media, working for Villa, or sat at home with a mate.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 03:06:27 PM
Don't disagree with that. He does need to shut up once in a while. I don't mind his show with Mark Saggers but as much as I might agree with a lot of what he says, he needs to take a breath and let others speak.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: john2710 on April 17, 2016, 03:14:54 PM
I'm highly dubious of his self proclaimed love of all things AVFC.

Collymore is nothing more than a big gob, with little or nothing that qualifies him for any role in football, let alone one in a club that's in the state we are. I can't image Collymore as anything more than someone who would be highly disruptive.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 03:15:45 PM
Don't disagree with that. He does need to shut up once in a while. I don't mind his show with Mark Saggers but as much as I might agree with a lot of what he says, he needs to take a breath and let others speak.

Isn't that what TalkSport's all about though? They like their presenters and pundits to be loud and in your face. It's part of the job.
For the record I love hearing Collymore talk about the Villa. Hits the nail on the head time after time, but I doubt if he'll ever get the chance to work for us though. It'd be interesting to see if he could deliver some of the things he claims he could though.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 03:17:22 PM
I'm highly dubious of his self proclaimed love of all things AVFC.

Collymore is nothing more than a big gob, with little or nothing that qualifies him for any role in football, let alone one in a club that's in the state we are. I can't image Collymore as anything more than someone who would be highly disruptive.

I've never understood this - why would anyone claim to be a fan of a football when he secretly isn't?
He's a Villa fan and that's it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
Don't disagree with that. He does need to shut up once in a while. I don't mind his show with Mark Saggers but as much as I might agree with a lot of what he says, he needs to take a breath and let others speak.

Isn't that what TalkSport's all about though? They like their presenters and pundits to be loud and in your face. It's part of the job.
For the record I love hearing Collymore talk about the Villa. Hits the nail on the head time after time, but I doubt if he'll ever get the chance to work for us though. It'd be interesting to see if he could deliver some of the things he claims he could though.

no absolutely, it's exactly what TS is for. I'd just like to hear another opinion once in a while. It's a minor thing, and like you I find most of what Stan says about Villa accurate. And it's also why I would argue that given a very different role outside of that environment he would have to act with more discretion. Whether or not he could carry it out would be entirely on him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
Ok the Marwood example wasn't great. It's something he's mentioned and clearly Marwood was cut out for that given his prior experience. But for the other stuff he's mentioned, I don't see why not. We've been asking to have football knowledge at the club and he has it. And as for prior experience of scouting, it's not like our existing scouting network with all their experience are proving their worth. It would be hard to do worse.

I know things are bad, but I can't believe you're seriously considering this.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2016, 03:20:06 PM
I'm highly dubious of his self proclaimed love of all things AVFC.

Collymore is nothing more than a big gob, with little or nothing that qualifies him for any role in football, let alone one in a club that's in the state we are. I can't image Collymore as anything more than someone who would be highly disruptive.

I've never understood this - why would anyone claim to be a fan of a football when he secretly isn't?
He's a Villa fan and that's it.

I was never a fan of those plastic 99p footballs you could buy at garages etc.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2016, 03:20:48 PM
I'm highly dubious of his self proclaimed love of all things AVFC.

Collymore is nothing more than a big gob, with little or nothing that qualifies him for any role in football, let alone one in a club that's in the state we are. I can't image Collymore as anything more than someone who would be highly disruptive.

I've never understood this - why would anyone claim to be a fan of a football when he secretly isn't?
He's a Villa fan and that's it.

Yeh, I've never understood that either. There are lots of clubs to be better affiliated with than Aston Villa if you wanted to just pick a side to very publicly follow.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 03:24:18 PM
I'm highly dubious of his self proclaimed love of all things AVFC.

Collymore is nothing more than a big gob, with little or nothing that qualifies him for any role in football, let alone one in a club that's in the state we are. I can't image Collymore as anything more than someone who would be highly disruptive.

I've never understood this - why would anyone claim to be a fan of a football when he secretly isn't?
He's a Villa fan and that's it.

I was never a fan of those plastic 99p footballs you could buy at garages etc.

I was trying to figure out what you were on about until I re-read my post.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on April 17, 2016, 03:42:11 PM
The one thing that's clear about Collymore is that he can't bear the slightest bit of criticism without flying off the handle. That alone makes him unsuitable for any job at a football club.

I love his obvious passion and confidence. Shame it couldn't be harnessed or even bottled and distributed to others at the club. He would need someone who he greatly respected to keep him in check and protect him from himself and others if he was to ever get an opportunity somewhere.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: in exile on April 17, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
I'm highly dubious of his self proclaimed love of all things AVFC.

Collymore is nothing more than a big gob, with little or nothing that qualifies him for any role in football, let alone one in a club that's in the state we are. I can't image Collymore as anything more than someone who would be highly disruptive.

I've never understood this - why would anyone claim to be a fan of a football when he secretly isn't?
He's a Villa fan and that's it.

I was never a fan of those plastic 99p footballs you could buy at garages etc.
But what about the Wembley Trophy?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: FrankyH on April 17, 2016, 04:04:21 PM
Adidas Kick,Mamba or Samba.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 17, 2016, 04:07:19 PM
He's apparently posted a tweet with him and Lescott arguing with each other. Seen it on facebook
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Matt C on April 17, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
He's not shy in his opinion of himself is he, old Stanley?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2016, 05:25:32 PM
He's not shy in his opinion of himself is he, old Stanley?

No, and that's why he'd be an utter disaster.  I don't believe the way he acts is just switched on for the radio, I think he's perfect for Talksport because they like loudmouth rentagobs like him.  What respect would he get from any manager, coach or player?  He's no qualifications for the sort of job he's asking for, and there are many, many reasons why he shouldn't be let anywhere near it. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: in exile on April 17, 2016, 05:44:53 PM
He's not shy in his opinion of himself is he, old Stanley?

No, and that's why he'd be an utter disaster.  I don't believe the way he acts is just switched on for the radio, I think he's perfect for Talksport because they like loudmouth rentagobs like him.  What respect would he get from any manager, coach or player?  He's no qualifications for the sort of job he's asking for, and there are many, many reasons why he shouldn't be let anywhere near it.
I wouldn't even let him write a programme column...oh wait
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on April 17, 2016, 06:55:11 PM
Do we need a person who attacks females, attends dogging sites, sacked by the BBC, gave Leicester issues  and I am sure there are many other things to be associated with OUR club?

Go away SVC - you tried taking us to the cleaners and are now linked with a second rate radio station ...all is he is a mighty gob who likes to try and chat up teenagers at a gym in Cannock
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 07:42:32 PM
Do we need a person who attacks females, attends dogging sites, sacked by the BBC, gave Leicester issues  and I am sure there are many other things to be associated with OUR club?

Go away SVC - you tried taking us to the cleaners and are now linked with a second rate radio station ...all is he is a mighty gob who likes to try and chat up teenagers at a gym in Cannock

The Ulrika incident was a disgrace but it was what, 15 years ago? You know you can't keep punishing someone forever. The rest of the things you list are trivial. So he let off a fire extinguisher in a hotel. Wow!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: bill on April 17, 2016, 07:47:57 PM
I like Stan. Right now he is voicing in the media exactly my own feelings about the debacle that is Aston Villa. Keep up the good work Stan.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 17, 2016, 07:48:50 PM
I like Stan. Right now he is voicing in the media exactly my own feelings about the debacle that is Aston Villa. Keep up the good work Stan.

Hear hear!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: sickbeggar on April 17, 2016, 08:23:41 PM
I think anyone wanting him back and prepared to forgive his time at Villa should ponder why he' managed to fall out with nearly all of his clubs. There's all sort of murky stories about his time at various clubs and by his own words he's a unforgivable knobhead


""One day, Geoff Thomas was moaning about something after training, so I got up and chinned him" - Stan bonds with a Crystal Palace team-mate"
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on April 17, 2016, 08:25:45 PM
The man's a buffoon. I can't believe we're seriously discussing his inclusion in any Villa rebuild.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Louzie0 on April 17, 2016, 08:28:28 PM
I like Stan. Right now he is voicing in the media exactly my own feelings about the debacle that is Aston Villa. Keep up the good work Stan.

Hear hear!
Hear
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: A Northern Soul on April 17, 2016, 08:33:52 PM
I think anyone wanting him back and prepared to forgive his time at Villa should ponder why he' managed to fall out with nearly all of his clubs. There's all sort of murky stories about his time at various clubs and by his own words he's a unforgivable knobhead


""One day, Geoff Thomas was moaning about something after training, so I got up and chinned him" - Stan bonds with a Crystal Palace team-mate"

He is like the pissed up loudmouth you sometimes find yourself near to at an away game. Through the rambling rants are some things you find hitting the mark and some funny, along with a load of cringeworthy stuff. I don't dislike him and admire his passion but he lacks self awareness and has no safety valve. I totally respect that his depression issues made parts of his career and life very difficult but there rarely seems to be clarity in the cold light of day with Stan. His quote about celebrating when his youth team coach at Walsall dropped down with a heart attack in front of him kinda hits the nail on the head, written maybe 20 years after the event
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: villan from luton on April 17, 2016, 10:12:07 PM
Do we need a person who attacks females, attends dogging sites, sacked by the BBC, gave Leicester issues  and I am sure there are many other things to be associated with OUR club?

Go away SVC - you tried taking us to the cleaners and are now linked with a second rate radio station ...all is he is a mighty gob who likes to try and chat up teenagers at a gym in Cannock

The Ulrika incident was a disgrace but it was what, 15 years ago? You know you can't keep punishing someone forever. The rest of the things you list are trivial. So he let off a fire extinguisher in a hotel. Wow!

Normally agree with you mate but disagree on this. He never showed any passion for the club on the pitch imo, I was so excited when he signed. He was a massive let down and seemed indifferent to me. I am sorry if he was ill, but he seems fine now and getting on well with his radio, but slating all and sundry after some of the performances I saw him do at Villa makes me think what a hypocrite
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: supertom on April 17, 2016, 10:18:10 PM
The man's a buffoon. I can't believe we're seriously discussing his inclusion in any Villa rebuild.
I agree. I don't mind him on the radio and he's welcome to keep showing his passion for the club as a fellow fan, but a job at the club? No. He's not qualified and even as something like an ambassador there are far better, more well rounded and intelligent candidates who were far better servants to us on the pitch. Tayls again for one, or Stan.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 17, 2016, 10:22:50 PM
He's admitted he was crap as a player.  He's also admitted that he's been a fool during and after his career. However right now he's saying what many of us are feeling...he's making public what we are saying both on here and at matches. I for one am all for this outing of our so-called senior pros and wholeheartedly endorse Stan's sentiments. These wankers need telling.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: villan from luton on April 17, 2016, 10:30:15 PM
He's admitted he was crap as a player.  He's also admitted that he's been a fool during and after his career. However right now he's saying what many of us are feeling...he's making public what we are saying both on here and at matches. I for one am all for this outing of our so-called senior pros and wholeheartedly endorse Stan's sentiments. These wankers need telling.

I have no problem with his voicing his opinions, but yes, he was a fool. Lescott is past it and I will never forgive him after Wycombe, but he can stand up to sir Stanley and compare medals
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 17, 2016, 10:35:47 PM
He's admitted he was crap as a player.  He's also admitted that he's been a fool during and after his career. However right now he's saying what many of us are feeling...he's making public what we are saying both on here and at matches. I for one am all for this outing of our so-called senior pros and wholeheartedly endorse Stan's sentiments. These wankers need telling.

I have no problem with his voicing his opinions, but yes, he was a fool. Lescott is past it and I will never forgive him after Wycombe, but he can stand up to sir Stanley and compare medals

...won at other clubs, whom I do not give a tinkers cuss about. It's Villa and the state we are in that bother me.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 17, 2016, 10:39:15 PM
The guy is an easy target that's for sure.
But he's saying what we all (well most of us think) on a daily basis and I've no problem with that.
Being a part of the new Villa setup? I don't think so. Maybe a bit of scouting.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 17, 2016, 10:44:52 PM
He's admitted he was crap as a player.  He's also admitted that he's been a fool during and after his career. However right now he's saying what many of us are feeling...he's making public what we are saying both on here and at matches. I for one am all for this outing of our so-called senior pros and wholeheartedly endorse Stan's sentiments. These wankers need telling.

I echo the sentiments across the board on here regarding both his tendencies to be a boob and also his refreshing championing of us in the national media. However, the thing that's really sad about his playing career is that he was far, far from being crap. He was potentially a phenomenal player. At his very best he was second only to the original Ronaldo in terms of the kind of player he was (or could have become).

As has been covered, his illnesses don't excuse much of his behaviour over the years but they go some way to explaining it. I think that, like Barton, there's a brain in there that was never developed because of his sporting abilities and, having 'arrived' he clashed with the status quo because he was able to identify what was wrong with it but without the tutoring to do so in a constructive way. More power to both of them for addressing their pasts in the ways that they have, in my view.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dl9 on April 17, 2016, 10:53:19 PM
He's admitted he was crap as a player.  He's also admitted that he's been a fool during and after his career. However right now he's saying what many of us are feeling...he's making public what we are saying both on here and at matches. I for one am all for this outing of our so-called senior pros and wholeheartedly endorse Stan's sentiments. These wankers need telling.



I have no problem with his voicing his opinions, but yes, he was a fool. Lescott is past it and I will never forgive him after Wycombe, but he can stand up to sir Stanley and compare medals

...won at other clubs, whom I do not give a tinkers cuss about. It's Villa and the state we are in that bother me.

Agree.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 18, 2016, 12:54:09 AM
He reminds me of a boxer going into a fight saying 'yeah I'm gonna knock him out. Man won't reach the 5th'. Only to be put on his arse within the first round. No one can guarantee anything.
Giving Stan a job with players would be like taking the pin out of a grenade and chucking it into a firework factory. It would be a case of when, not if, it explodes. It's so obvious to me he's volatile that I also can't believe it is being considered on here. You could come to that conclusion as well even if you knew nothing about his pre TalkSport days.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Olof's Beard on April 18, 2016, 08:56:13 AM
Him offering to become a player liaison is almost laughable. You'd believe it was tongue in cheek if you didn't know the man - can you imagine the players' collective faces if they were introduced to Stan as their new go-to man? To do a job like that he would need a very adaptable personality. Many fans might enjoy how he is taking apart of the current playing staff but if it's an indicator of the level of diplomacy that he is capable of showing, then he should be nowhere near a player liaison role.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on April 18, 2016, 09:20:08 AM
The man obviously knows stuff, he's had a life immersed in Football after all but I just can't see how his notoriously thin skin and ability to put his foot in it along with all the other "stuff" that comes with Being Stan Collymore means he's fit for any job at the club. He'd be better realising he's probably just as effective driving change at the Villa from his current position in the media. Holding the boards feet to the fire so to speak on a national radio station and keeping them in the public eye.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 18, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
Do we need a person who attacks females, attends dogging sites, sacked by the BBC, gave Leicester issues  and I am sure there are many other things to be associated with OUR club?

Go away SVC - you tried taking us to the cleaners and are now linked with a second rate radio station ...all is he is a mighty gob who likes to try and chat up teenagers at a gym in Cannock

The Ulrika incident was a disgrace but it was what, 15 years ago? You know you can't keep punishing someone forever. The rest of the things you list are trivial. So he let off a fire extinguisher in a hotel. Wow!

I'm sure you can.


 *cough* Lerner *cough*
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on April 18, 2016, 10:19:47 AM
I think he's thoroughly well-intentioned when it comes to the club, but hasn't necessarily got the know-how of how to fix it. Christ, all of us watching think we know how we could improve it. It's a shame that over the last few years many who have got the ability and the know-how haven't cared enough to do something about it.

That makes sense in my head if not in the way I've written it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: rob_bridge on April 18, 2016, 10:27:34 AM
He reminds me of a boxer going into a fight saying 'yeah I'm gonna knock him out. Man won't reach the 5th'. Only to be put on his arse within the first round. No one can guarantee anything.
Giving Stan a job with players would be like taking the pin out of a grenade and chucking it into a firework factory. It would be a case of when, not if, it explodes. It's so obvious to me he's volatile that I also can't believe it is being considered on here. You could come to that conclusion as well even if you knew nothing about his pre TalkSport days.

Good boxing analogy - he was like Audley Harrison as a footballer
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: rob_bridge on April 18, 2016, 11:08:59 AM
Do we need a person who attacks females, attends dogging sites, sacked by the BBC, gave Leicester issues  and I am sure there are many other things to be associated with OUR club?

Go away SVC - you tried taking us to the cleaners and are now linked with a second rate radio station ...all is he is a mighty gob who likes to try and chat up teenagers at a gym in Cannock

The Ulrika incident was a disgrace but it was what, 15 years ago? You know you can't keep punishing someone forever. The rest of the things you list are trivial. So he let off a fire extinguisher in a hotel. Wow!

I'm sure you can.


 *cough* Lerner *cough*

Didn't he beat up at least one other women who he fathered a child with?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 18, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
Do we need a person who attacks females, attends dogging sites, sacked by the BBC, gave Leicester issues  and I am sure there are many other things to be associated with OUR club?

Go away SVC - you tried taking us to the cleaners and are now linked with a second rate radio station ...all is he is a mighty gob who likes to try and chat up teenagers at a gym in Cannock

The Ulrika incident was a disgrace but it was what, 15 years ago? You know you can't keep punishing someone forever. The rest of the things you list are trivial. So he let off a fire extinguisher in a hotel. Wow!

I'm sure you can.


 *cough* Lerner *cough*

Didn't he beat up at least one other women who he fathered a child with?

The more I hear about this Lerner bloke, the less I like him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: phantom limb on April 18, 2016, 12:40:01 PM
He's just described Richard Keys as being a "shithouse for shithouses" on Twitter. Now that's something I can get behind.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2016, 12:42:43 PM
He's just described Richard Keys as being a "shithouse for shithouses" on Twitter. Now that's something I can get behind.

Every sin forgiven, that's superb.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: richardhubbard on April 18, 2016, 12:43:51 PM
Have to agree with what he was saying over the weekend but his generally just a knob .
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 18, 2016, 12:44:45 PM
He's just described Richard Keys as being a "shithouse for shithouses" on Twitter.

Beautifully put.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: olaftab on April 18, 2016, 12:52:57 PM
However I think he should shut up now and no we don't need him at our Club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2016, 01:04:34 PM
The man obviously knows stuff, he's had a life immersed in Football after all but I just can't see how his notoriously thin skin and ability to put his foot in it along with all the other "stuff" that comes with Being Stan Collymore means he's fit for any job at the club. He'd be better realising he's probably just as effective driving change at the Villa from his current position in the media. Holding the boards feet to the fire so to speak on a national radio station and keeping them in the public eye.

Agree with this entirely. He should stick to what he's good at, which in my opinion, being a very decent and one of the more listenable broadcasters.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on April 18, 2016, 01:06:57 PM
If you were genuinely interested in helping the club and doing a job there, would you

a) Phone up one or more of the directors and arrange a chat, maybe over a nice meal and a bottle of wine, or

b) start another Twitter war with one of the players, and then write your list of demands in the press, in your typical abrasive fashion
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: chrisw1 on April 18, 2016, 01:08:32 PM
He's just described Richard Keys as being a "shithouse for shithouses" on Twitter.

Beautifully put.

Well, absolutely.  But if you read Richard Keys blog that provoked this outburst, it is pretty inoffensive stuff.  The inability of Stan to accept one ounce of criticism without blowing his top is ridiculous and exactly why he can never have a role at the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: john e on April 18, 2016, 01:11:07 PM
If you were genuinely interested in helping the club and doing a job there, would you

a) Phone up one or more of the directors and arrange a chat, maybe over a nice meal and a bottle of wine, or

b) start another Twitter war with one of the players, and then write your list of demands in the press, in your typical abrasive fashion

is the answer b ?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2016, 01:11:57 PM
Stan's said his piece now. He made some very good points and I'm glad he tore a strip off the players and in particular Lescott. Now he needs to tone it down a bit and let the process look after itself. If there is a position for him at the club or some kind of role in any capacity it will happen because he is contact ed by the club. He can't keep banging that drum because eventually nobody will listen.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 18, 2016, 01:29:39 PM
Does anyone remember another of Stan's recent rants, when he said he was off to the Euroepan Championships in the summer and to our supporters who didn't agree with him, “See you at the Bescot or Pirelli Stadium next season. Time for me to concentrate on the other 91 clubs.”
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2016, 01:32:41 PM
Does anyone remember another of Stan's recent rants, when he said he was off to the Euroepan Championships in the summer and to our supporters who didn't agree with him, “See you at the Bescot or Pirelli Stadium next season. Time for me to concentrate on the other 91 clubs.”

Yep, that annoyed me and it was a 'spitting his dummy out' comment. He can't come out with things like that and expect to be taken seriously about being employed by the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
Does anyone remember another of Stan's recent rants, when he said he was off to the Euroepan Championships in the summer and to our supporters who didn't agree with him, “See you at the Bescot or Pirelli Stadium next season. Time for me to concentrate on the other 91 clubs.”

At the time, my feeling was that while the sentiment of anger was something we all felt, the way he articulated that was terrible. Where he wasn't smart at all is that he took very public shots at Lerner (and Fox), and it is entirely reasonable to think that while Lerner owns the club, Stan will never get a seriously role with us. And that specific comment above was just plain stupid.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2016, 01:39:54 PM
I thought his rant on Saturday was fantastic but you get the feeling sometimes he should just sit and think before he speaks or tweets.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: KevinGage on April 18, 2016, 01:41:06 PM
Stan said something in his book about not having to give his all in training and work on ball skills, as its only the likes of Gareth Southgate that needed to do that.

He didn't offer a depressive episode as an excuse, so it seems as if that was his attitude to training in general. So he was as feckless at BH as he was in the vast majority of games for us.

He has enormous talent, but the very best players usually work hard as well.

If the years have made him re-evaluate that, there is no better man to warn youngsters about the perils of wasting their talent and turning into a reality TV freakshow/ radio rent-a-gob.  But again, the better players usually have enough between the ears to know that anyway.

Beyond that, I'm not too sure what he'd have to offer the club in any official capacity.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2016, 01:55:25 PM
I thought his rant on Saturday was fantastic but you get the feeling sometimes he should just sit and think before he speaks or tweets.

Stan was never a shrinking violet but his years as a host on TS and everything that brings has made him into precisely what he is today. His appeal is exactly what makes his weaknesses all the more glaring.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: chocolate garde on April 18, 2016, 02:13:47 PM
He is nothing but a internet bully lescott has asked to meet him man to man but stan has refused and said we will bump into each other .

i like stan on talksport but he is out of order just to pick on certain individuals at the club ALL the players are shithouses no one deserves one ounce of credit,
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2016, 02:20:03 PM
He is nothing but a internet bully lescott has asked to meet him man to man but stan has refused and said we will bump into each other .

i like stan on talksport but he is out of order just to pick on certain individuals at the club ALL the players are shithouses no one deserves one ounce of credit,

There are going to be very few people who agree with you. Lescott is captain off the club and fucking moron. The tweet aside what he said after the game was stupid in the most extreme sense. He deserved and deserves everything he got and is getting.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: chocolate garde on April 18, 2016, 02:35:08 PM
Yes he has made mistakes everyone does but not to the extent of what stan gave out on saturday im sure stan took this club for a ride for over 12 months at least lescott tried to play not very good i agree but stan hid like a coward saying he was depressed.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 18, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
If that is Lescott 'trying' then....
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 18, 2016, 03:30:51 PM


Other than the Ulrika thing what's he done that's so bad anyway?

If all he had ever done was batter one woman that would be enough for me to never like the twat.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 18, 2016, 04:04:34 PM
Anyway, that aside, I have no problem with Collymore on the radio (mainly because I never, ever listen to Talksport so he can't annoy me!) and I quite enjoy some of his Twitter wars, especially when he is calling out racist twats and Piers Morgan, but I don't want him anywhere near our club thanks.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: TheMalandro on April 18, 2016, 04:13:53 PM
Insulting the owner of a company and picking fights with current employees is probably a pretty crap way of applying for a job.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
Collymore being interviewed for the Villa manager job tonight on TS at 7

Will be interesting

3 hours on Villa
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: johnny from donny on April 18, 2016, 06:34:59 PM
Collymore being interviewed for the Villa manager job tonight on TS at 7

Will be interesting

3 hours on Villa

Phone lines open at 9  for  anyone who has a question.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 18, 2016, 07:22:28 PM
So far it's Stan Collymore talking about Stan Collymore
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 18, 2016, 07:29:22 PM
This is quite the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2016, 07:31:51 PM
So far it's Stan Collymore talking about Stan Collymore

That surprises you?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2016, 07:36:18 PM
I just listened to some of it. At 8pm it's about how collymore thinks he can help us. It's why regardless of what I think of him I don't want him working for or with the club, it's all about him. Not what the club need to do to sort things out, but what he can do.

*Turns off wireless*
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 18, 2016, 07:38:45 PM
Well it would make a change if it was all about Collymore because right now the man child hasn't got a fucking clue what it's all about.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 18, 2016, 07:47:42 PM


Other than the Ulrika thing what's he done that's so bad anyway?

If all he had ever done was batter one woman that would be enough for me to never like the twat.

He made a mistake and paid for it. Shame on him, but you can't keep punishing him forever. Everyone deserves a second chance and all that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 07:48:44 PM
at least he knows bacuna is deluded but dont need to be einstein to know that

paddy is getting a slagging
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: A Northern Soul on April 18, 2016, 07:54:28 PM
Much as I want to hear 3 hours worth of analysis on the Villa tonight, I can't listen to Stan spouting random shite for much longer
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: curiousorange on April 18, 2016, 07:55:01 PM
All I heard was stuff about Stan Collymore and nothing about Villa.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 18, 2016, 08:02:30 PM
Just said that paddy Reilly turned up at a real s training session to speak to Moyes. Handed him a card and said "David we would like you to become our manager" to which Moyes tore a strip off him for being so unprofessional
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 18, 2016, 08:04:44 PM


Other than the Ulrika thing what's he done that's so bad anyway?

If all he had ever done was batter one woman that would be enough for me to never like the twat.

He made a mistake and paid for it. Shame on him, but you can't keep punishing him forever. Everyone deserves a second chance and all that.

Yes I can. He beat up a woman, he's a twat.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: phantom limb on April 18, 2016, 08:08:46 PM
Just said that paddy Reilly turned up at a real s training session to speak to Moyes. Handed him a card and said "David we would like you to become our manager" to which Moyes tore a strip off him for being so unprofessional

I was listening to that story and if true, along with everything else said about him then I'm surprised Reilly is still at the club.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ormy Droid on April 18, 2016, 08:14:58 PM
This could be the most excruciating thing I think I've ever heard, its Jerry Springer, Aston Villa!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: cheadlevilla on April 18, 2016, 08:16:33 PM
Stanley Chatting about twatting Ulrikkkkka. ...    It's Jerry Springer AV
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on April 18, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
Can't take this any more. He's completely lacking in self awareness isn't he? To a comical degree.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2016, 08:19:33 PM


Other than the Ulrika thing what's he done that's so bad anyway?

If all he had ever done was batter one woman that would be enough for me to never like the twat.

He made a mistake and paid for it. Shame on him, but you can't keep punishing him forever. Everyone deserves a second chance and all that.

Yes I can. He beat up a woman, he's a twat.

I'm with S_H on this. As wrong and as disgusting as it was, it was a long time ago and people make mistakes. He's not done it since and it's something that he'll have thrown at him for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2016, 08:24:38 PM


Other than the Ulrika thing what's he done that's so bad anyway?

If all he had ever done was batter one woman that would be enough for me to never like the twat.

He made a mistake and paid for it. Shame on him, but you can't keep punishing him forever. Everyone deserves a second chance and all that.

Yes I can. He beat up a woman, he's a twat.

I'm with S_H on this. As wrong and as disgusting as it was, it was a long time ago and people make mistakes. He's not done it since and it's something that he'll have thrown at him for the rest of his life.

I'm not so sure it's an isolated incident, and even if it was it's still hard to look past.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: danno on April 18, 2016, 08:25:23 PM
I listened for twenty or so minutes.
Until I realised I had no idea what he was talking about.
What on earth Ulrika and Paul Gascoigne have to do with Aston Villa I don't know.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 08:26:30 PM
f%%k



Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 18, 2016, 08:27:07 PM
I am not sure about this but something tells me Stanley doesn't like Paddy Riley.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ormy Droid on April 18, 2016, 08:27:36 PM
"So Stan, tell us about the dogging?" Ha ha  ;D
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 08:27:50 PM
Just said that paddy Reilly turned up at a real s training session to speak to Moyes. Handed him a card and said "David we would like you to become our manager" to which Moyes tore a strip off him for being so unprofessional




I was listening to that story and if true, along with everything else said about him then I'm surprised Reilly is still at the club.


thats why Moyes wont be here . That story is true .
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Steve67 on April 18, 2016, 08:28:18 PM
Reilly will go next, surely?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2016, 08:28:30 PM
I cant listen to him but I'd guess he might be trying to point out that Gazza's woman beating has largely been forgotten, he's not got his own radio show and forever using it to try and get a job at Villa mind.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: passport1 on April 18, 2016, 08:28:58 PM
I've been listening.More out of morbid curiosity than anything else. Were onto dogging now.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 18, 2016, 08:29:12 PM
We are 90 minutes in and here comes the dogging.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 08:29:54 PM
Reilly will go next, surely?

was it Reilly idea?    no
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 08:30:22 PM
fox and the german pulled the strings
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 18, 2016, 08:30:30 PM
It is almost as if they have forgotten the mic is on.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2016, 08:30:44 PM
We are 90 minutes in and here comes the dogging.

If the announcer says that at the Soton game rather than how much injury time there is, I might stay till the end.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
I actually did turn off the radio after my last post, but judging by the posts, it's not a special about the Villa, but about collymore?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 18, 2016, 08:31:50 PM
This sounds like he's having a breakdown on air.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Jimbo on April 18, 2016, 08:32:19 PM
It is almost as if they have forgotten the mic is on.

Which makes for the best radio. I'm not saying this is, but it's certainly fascinating.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ian. on April 18, 2016, 08:32:30 PM
The blokes a loon. How has he managed to keep a job within broadcasting I have no idea.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
spurs winning anyway - sorry wrong thread ;)

collymore this is your life
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ormy Droid on April 18, 2016, 08:33:01 PM
Reilly will go next, surely?

By the sound of it I doubt Paddy and Stan go dogging together  ;D
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 18, 2016, 08:33:08 PM
I quite like Stan to be honest but this is all a bit rambling.

No mention so far as to the resignations today, and the complete fkn mess we are in.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: passport1 on April 18, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
He is truly delusional.  The concerning thing is that it may be part of his illness in which case the producers at Talksport need to realise this isn't entertainment.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: London Villan on April 18, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
He played a big part in Brian Little's demise as our manager too.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2016, 08:45:51 PM
Is Collymore losing it on air any different to how any of us truly feel? We might all convey it differently but frankly this is the lowest I have felt in a long, long time.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 18, 2016, 08:47:25 PM
He played a big part in Brian Little's demise as our manager too.

He's not doing Brian any favours now.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 18, 2016, 08:48:23 PM
Is Collymore losing it on air any different to how any of us truly feel? We might all convey it differently but frankly this is the lowest I have felt in a long, long time.

Yes. He's being paid to do a professional job.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: shirley_villan on April 18, 2016, 08:48:54 PM
Was half listening to it, did he say that he'd had it out with Gabby as well as Lescott or have I imagined that?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 18, 2016, 08:49:10 PM
Well this two hours of my life I won't get back. Utter bilge.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2016, 08:49:23 PM
I do like him onTalk Sport but tonight's been a tad self indulgent.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Kingthing on April 18, 2016, 08:49:30 PM

He's off his cake. He sounds like he's dropped more pills than a clumsy chemist, has he actually slept since Saturday?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 18, 2016, 08:49:58 PM
He played a big part in Brian Little's demise as our manager too.

He's not doing Brian any favours now.

At one stage his colleague was imploring him not to betray confidences after Stan was blathering on about their coffee meeting.

Must be a first on talksport.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2016, 08:50:02 PM
Is Collymore losing it on air any different to how any of us truly feel? We might all convey it differently but frankly this is the lowest I have felt in a long, long time.

Yes. He's being paid to do a professional job.

In the job he's being paid to do is employers clearly don't have a problem with it. I don't entirely agree with and neither do many others. But he's acting like one of us, rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: curiousorange on April 18, 2016, 08:50:23 PM
Was half listening to it, did he say that he'd had it out with Gabby as well as Lescott or have I imagined that?

Yes, he said they'd DM'd over the weekend at the conclusion of which Agbonlahor said he respected him and would always hear his advice. Collymore also said 'you've all seen it.' Nope, we haven't.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 18, 2016, 08:51:39 PM
To be fair to him, he is answering the questions he's being asked about his personal life. Did mention he could say more about Villa, but promised Sir Brian he would keep quiet.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Des Little on April 18, 2016, 08:52:16 PM
This is getting silly now. Dwight fucking Yorke? I'm switching off.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2016, 08:52:39 PM
I turned it back on, jeeze. I don't believe I just heard him say that about himself. What a twat.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 18, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
To be fair to him, he is answering the questions he's being asked about his personal life. Did mention he could say more about Villa, but promised Sir Brian he would keep quiet.

Yeah, then starts laying into Reilly.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Rudy65 on April 18, 2016, 08:53:10 PM
Was half listening to it, did he say that he'd had it out with Gabby as well as Lescott or have I imagined that?

Yes, he said they'd DM'd over the weekend at the conclusion of which Agbonlahor said he respected him and would always hear his advice. Collymore also said 'you've all seen it.' Nope, we haven't.

SVC and GA are two of a kind
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2016, 08:53:58 PM
im closing early and going home , its depressing
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2016, 08:54:58 PM
If anyone at the Villa is listening to this then collymore has made himself unemployable at the club, despite how blatantly desperate he sounds as he pimps himself for a job that doesn't even exist.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: django on April 18, 2016, 08:59:40 PM
This 3 hour ramble could have been done and dusted in about 5 minutes if either of them were listening to each other.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ormy Droid on April 18, 2016, 09:09:24 PM
This 3 hour ramble could have been done and dusted in about 5 minutes if either of them were listening to each other.

Just like a night out dogging then really  ;D
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: olaftab on April 18, 2016, 09:13:33 PM
If anyone at the Villa is listening to this then collymore has made himself unemployable at the club, despite how blatantly desperate he sounds as he pimps himself for a job that doesn't even exist.
This is exactly how it comes across. Do not touch this man with barge pole.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Tony Erdington on April 18, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
Collymore is on the money, with a lot of his comments.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: damon loves JT on April 18, 2016, 09:24:48 PM
He's an intelligent enough bloke but any accurate observation he makes is just a statement of the obvious made in a really loud voice, like N'GOLO KANTÉ IS A REALLY GOOD PLAYER or ASTON VILLA ARE NOT A WELL-RUN CLUB

He rarely says anything that would never occur to you.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Grande Pablo on April 18, 2016, 09:28:24 PM
Bobby Moore is laid on for God-like status, & poor Mrs Moore kopped it on a regular basis.  He was lucky that mobile phones & the media industry weren't around at the time.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: The Left Side on April 18, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
SVC just posted this on twitter...

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore  6m6 minutes ago
#AVFC story breaking on @talkSPORT 11pm with Martin Lipton.

Ive been told i ( and by implication Villa fans) will be exasperated.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2016, 09:55:42 PM
He's having another 'Twitter Spat' now, someone wasn't gushing enough toward him and he's boring everyone with how well connected he is.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aj2k77 on April 18, 2016, 09:56:58 PM
He personally knows 75 of the managers in the football league.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2016, 09:57:59 PM
Because we need more bad news, so The Sun story at 11 should be a laugh. Bring it on FFS.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dave on April 18, 2016, 09:59:10 PM
SVC just posted this on twitter...

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore  6m6 minutes ago
#AVFC story breaking on @talkSPORT 11pm with Martin Lipton.

In other words "when we have been told what is on the front page of The Sun we will tell you what we read"
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ormy Droid on April 18, 2016, 10:02:21 PM
Sky News usually previews the morning's headlines at 10.30, doesn't it? I bet it's just Gabby having yet another baby, unless he's started eating his young, which would make for quite a splash.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: The Man With A Stick on April 18, 2016, 10:16:45 PM
Sky News usually previews the morning's headlines at 10.30, doesn't it? I bet it's just Gabby having yet another baby, unless he's started eating his young, which would make for quite a splash.

That might begin to explain the size of him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV89 on April 18, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
Pretty clear Tayls isn't too happy with what's one on.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153658683353348&id=115238888347
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 18, 2016, 11:47:25 PM


Other than the Ulrika thing what's he done that's so bad anyway?

If all he had ever done was batter one woman that would be enough for me to never like the twat.

He made a mistake and paid for it. Shame on him, but you can't keep punishing him forever. Everyone deserves a second chance and all that.

Yes I can. He beat up a woman, he's a twat.

I'm with S_H on this. As wrong and as disgusting as it was, it was a long time ago and people make mistakes. He's not done it since and it's something that he'll have thrown at him for the rest of his life.

Good, he should have it thrown at him for the rest of his life. He beat up a woman. I've snubbed ex very good friends for the same thing, I don't forgive that easily.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on April 19, 2016, 06:33:06 AM
stan's a bit of a cock and he's lucky some past paramour hasn't cut it off.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: auntiesledd on April 19, 2016, 10:25:09 AM
stan's a bit of a cock and he's lucky some past paramour hasn't cut it off.

Oi! You leave Norrie Paramor out of it. He never done no 'arm.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on April 19, 2016, 11:42:26 AM
Seems Stan was exchanging messages with a 'fake' Gabby account over the weekend.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Oscar Arce on April 19, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
Listened to Stan's three hour rambling life story until the phone calls then I lost the will to live.
He may be a Villa fan but he's a bit of a tit isn't he?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2016, 01:46:13 PM
I don't know about depression but I wouldn't be surprised if he suffers from ADHD or similar.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 19, 2016, 06:39:44 PM
This 3 hour ramble could have been done and dusted in about 5 minutes if either of them were listening to each other.

Just like a night out dogging then really  ;D

I'll take your word for that. :D
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 19, 2016, 06:40:57 PM
Pretty clear Tayls isn't too happy with what's one on.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153658683353348&id=115238888347

Now that's how to make your point in a way that people can listen to.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 19, 2016, 06:56:51 PM
Listened to Stan's three hour rambling life story until the phone calls then I lost the will to live.
He may be a Villa fan but he's a bit of a tit isn't he?

stan loves a good ramble

usually over cannock chase at dusk when his mrs is staying at her sisters
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 19, 2016, 08:29:00 PM
Pretty clear Tayls isn't too happy with what's one on.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153658683353348&id=115238888347

Now that's how to make your point in a way that people can listen to.

Yep. A proper Villa man, class on and off the field. One of my favourite Villa players.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: clash city rocker on April 19, 2016, 08:40:30 PM
Yep...stan's not fit to lace taylor's  boots.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 19, 2016, 08:55:25 PM
Yep...stan's not fit to lace lick taylor's  boots.

Fixed
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ron Manager on April 20, 2016, 08:07:13 AM
I listened to talksport for the first time in my life last week.Stans not too bad as a commentator. Only problem with him is that he talks too much.........about Stan Collymore!!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 20, 2016, 08:17:54 AM
I've no problem with him criticising the direction the club is taking.

However, his solution that we should appoint him to some unspecified role is just ludicrous and sounds like rampant egotism. He has no qualifications in the areas we are lacking, has no similar experience to suggest he'd be of any benefit to the club and has a reputation as a divisive figure garnered over a period of decades.

He'd be exactly the sort of stupid appointment that has helped get us into our current pathetic state.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: FatSam on April 20, 2016, 08:28:31 AM
I've no problem with him criticising the direction the club is taking.

However, his solution that we should appoint him to some unspecified role is just ludicrous and sounds like rampant egotism. He has no qualifications in the areas we are lacking, has no similar experience to suggest he'd be of any benefit to the club and has a reputation as a divisive figure garnered over a period of decades.

He'd be exactly the sort of stupid appointment that has helped get us into our current pathetic state.
Agree entirely.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: phantom limb on April 20, 2016, 08:54:17 AM
I listened to most of his broadcast on Talksport the other night, the main thing he was suggesting was that while Reilly had done the stats on the players that we bought in the summer there was no provision for player mentality, personality, adaptability to living in another country etc. He was saying that he would like to recommend players to Villa based upon the games that he watches and football people he speaks to so that you would have more chance of getting players in who can adapt and fit in as a team, which doesn't sound like too bad a suggestion to me. If he doesn't do it, it sounds like somebody needs to.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 20, 2016, 09:10:24 AM
i stop listening to him seriously when a few mths ago , he said get Kevin Mac in to manage to the end of the season
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: rob_bridge on April 20, 2016, 11:50:21 AM
I've no problem with him criticising the direction the club is taking.

However, his solution that we should appoint him to some unspecified role is just ludicrous and sounds like rampant egotism. He has no qualifications in the areas we are lacking, has no similar experience to suggest he'd be of any benefit to the club and has a reputation as a divisive figure garnered over a period of decades.

He'd be exactly the sort of stupid appointment that has helped get us into our current pathetic state.
Agree entirely.

Ratified - we have enough problems without them being compounded by this mouth on a fucking stick.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 20, 2016, 01:11:48 PM
Regardless of his credentials, anyone who openly offers to fight players on twitter, refers to another media pundit as a shithouse, openly mocks the mental attributes of some of our current players and regularly drops the C bomb on twitter for the world to see should be nowhere near our club. Despite our current plight we are so much better than that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on April 20, 2016, 01:17:54 PM
Regardless of his credentials, anyone who openly offers to fight players on twitter, refers to another media pundit as a shithouse, openly mocks the mental attributes of some of our current players and regularly drops the C bomb on twitter for the world to see should be nowhere near our club. Despite our current plight we are so much better than that.

Now you've summarised I'm quite coming around to the thought of him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Fred on April 20, 2016, 01:44:48 PM
i listened to Stan and it was very intresting. But the show was more about SVC than AVFC.
If he came on board could he be managed and would he 1) Leak everything to the press  2) walk off if he felt wronged.
Too much of a gamble.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on April 20, 2016, 01:49:37 PM
i listened to Stan and it was very intresting. But the show was more about SVC than AVFC.
If he came on board could he be managed and would he 1) Leak everything to the press  2) walk off if he felt wronged.
Too much of a gamble.

He'd be off as soon as his career needed him too - Grade A twat.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Fred on April 21, 2016, 01:47:42 PM
i listened to Stan and it was very intresting. But the show was more about SVC than AVFC.
If he came on board could he be managed and would he 1) Leak everything to the press  2) walk off if he felt wronged.
Too much of a gamble.

He'd be off as soon as his career needed him too - Grade A twat.

I agree, also if was told something would be be able to keep it off the airwaves or out of his various press columns?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 21, 2016, 01:52:28 PM
Who did he describe as a 'shithouse'?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: aev on April 21, 2016, 01:52:58 PM
Who did he describe as a 'shithouse'?

Richard Keys.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on April 21, 2016, 02:00:03 PM
Who did he describe as a 'shithouse'?

Richard Keys.
From what a friend who worked at Sky told me, a perfectly reasonable description. (Ones I remember - Keys once angrily told a security guard who had asked to see his ID, "You're in Keys' world now," and also used to grab chips straight from the tray in the canteen with his hairy Wolfman hands).

I think Stan Collymore might visit this site - noticed on that programme the other night that he stressed/repeated that he'd played in EVERY game of the record winning streak, which had been refuted here prior to that.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on April 21, 2016, 04:47:57 PM
I've worked in marketing roles for two international companies and met a lot of media journalists/presenters. Most were egotistical wanders with an unhealthy sense of entitlement so saying something like welcome to Keys' world is commonplace. What I can't forgive is the chip stealing, or the lupine like hands.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 21, 2016, 06:14:37 PM
I've worked in marketing roles for two international companies and met a lot of media journalists/presenters. Most were egotistical wanders with an unhealthy sense of entitlement so saying something like welcome to Keys' world is commonplace. What I can't forgive is the chip stealing, or the lupine like hands.

Steal my chips and I will f**king haunt you for a millennia.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 21, 2016, 06:24:00 PM
I've worked in marketing roles for two international companies and met a lot of media journalists/presenters. Most were egotistical wanders with an unhealthy sense of entitlement so saying something like welcome to Keys' world is commonplace. What I can't forgive is the chip stealing, or the lupine like hands.

Steal my chips and I will f**king haunt you for a millennia.

Must have been a while ago, we don't get chips in the canteen any more, it's kale and banana smoothies and organic lentil and mushroom risotto now.  Fucking media luvvies.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 21, 2016, 06:26:20 PM
I've worked in marketing roles for two international companies and met a lot of media journalists/presenters. Most were egotistical wanders with an unhealthy sense of entitlement so saying something like welcome to Keys' world is commonplace. What I can't forgive is the chip stealing, or the lupine like hands.

You have met Damon then!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 21, 2016, 06:59:57 PM
I've worked in marketing roles for two international companies and met a lot of media journalists/presenters. Most were egotistical wanders with an unhealthy sense of entitlement so saying something like welcome to Keys' world is commonplace. What I can't forgive is the chip stealing, or the lupine like hands.

Steal my chips and I will f**king haunt you for a millennia.

Must have been a while ago, we don't get chips in the canteen any more, it's kale and banana smoothies and organic lentil and mushroom risotto now.  Fucking media luvvies.

That sounds like some sort of violation of human rights. It must be.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2016, 07:11:46 PM
Who did he describe as a 'shithouse'?

Richard Keys.
From what a friend who worked at Sky told me, a perfectly reasonable description. (Ones I remember - Keys once angrily told a security guard who had asked to see his ID, "You're in Keys' world now," and also used to grab chips straight from the tray in the canteen with his hairy Wolfman hands).

I think Stan Collymore might visit this site - noticed on that programme the other night that he stressed/repeated that he'd played in EVERY game of the record winning streak, which had been refuted here prior to that.


And yet he didn't. Most consecutive games we won with him in the team was 3. Our record unbeaten start to 98/99 is what I assume he means, he played one of the first 6 of that run.

He played in every game as we set a club record by losing the first 4 games of the season though. Maybe he's getting mixed up. The most league games he played in a row for us was 10, which included the 4 straight defeats. The next longest was 7 games, twice.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on June 02, 2016, 02:56:47 PM
Waiting on svc official line....
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kieron on June 02, 2016, 05:33:11 PM
For what?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on June 02, 2016, 10:40:48 PM
To hear his views on the new appointments
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2016, 10:44:09 PM
Who gives a shit, Stan is just another fan with an opinion.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on June 02, 2016, 10:51:56 PM
Well he's famous so its interesting but then all villa fans opinions are interesting to me so doesn't matter if he' or shes really well know just stan speaks passionately
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on June 02, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
People are quick to comment on his opinion so I think it's valid to say what's his line on the things. He's also a broadcaster involvedin modern day game.  Also there a thread of his so that shows there is interest.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Tuscans on July 12, 2016, 07:57:37 PM
Collymore to leave talksport after they decided not to renew his contract.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-aston-villa-striker-turned-11605519
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 12, 2016, 08:03:13 PM
Collymore to leave talksport after they decided not to renew his contract.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-aston-villa-striker-turned-11605519


Something of a surprise. He seemed right up Talksports street.


Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 12, 2016, 08:12:23 PM
Collymore to leave talksport after they decided not to renew his contract.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-aston-villa-striker-turned-11605519


Something of a surprise. He seemed right up Talksports street.

ended in may hhhhmmmm
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 12, 2016, 08:22:07 PM
I hope it's not to do with the fact villa are nt premier league this coming season (temporarily we all hope) he clearly resonates with the fans across uk and was a active broadcaster prepared to cover a range of hot topics . Good luck to him and hope he keeps his good health and well being.  Despite stans demons and faults he was still in touch with the fans and gave opinion he certainly no worse than any other ex footballer on talk sport.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 12, 2016, 08:46:43 PM
I'm suprised too, thought he was a good fit for them and his shows and phone in were pretty good.  Always good to have a Villa voice in the national media too.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2016, 08:58:56 PM
He was a good fit for Talksport, which is rather damning.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV89 on July 12, 2016, 08:58:57 PM
Maybe he's about to join the board at Villa.


Runs away and hides.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Louzie0 on July 12, 2016, 09:07:06 PM
Maybe he's about to join the board at Villa.


Runs away and hides.

He must have something lined up.
Not TS without Stan.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nev on July 12, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
A Murdoch company took over the media group that runs TS recently.

Make of that what you will....
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: KRS on July 12, 2016, 09:16:25 PM
Wasn't he doing some investigative journalism type stuff into hooliganism at the Euros? May be he's got some TV work lined up.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2016, 09:25:47 PM
Shame, he was the only reason to listen to that station. I'm sure he's got something else lined up.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2016, 09:48:09 PM
A Murdoch company took over the media group that runs TS recently.

Make of that what you will....

I'd imagine that's got something to do with it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2016, 09:54:03 PM
Shame, he was the only reason to listen to that station. I'm sure he's got something else lined up.

I don't think he does based on his tweet. I'm sure he'll find a gig somewhere eventually.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2016, 09:56:48 PM
I found him awful , he would shout alot and try and sound intelligent with phrases that really were not necessary

and ramble on and on . I think he was surprised they have let him go 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 12, 2016, 10:03:42 PM
Stan will get tv work. He's intelligent and articulate and knows his stuff.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
well if there is work for Robbie Savage then why not
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 12, 2016, 10:35:50 PM
A Murdoch company took over the media group that runs TS recently.

Make of that what you will....

You can bet your life it's not based on ratings.

He's a gobshite - but a popular gobshite with gobshites.


I'd imagine that's got something to do with it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2016, 10:37:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that if the quote above was cleaned up, I'd agree with it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 12, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
Hopefully have good sense to stay out of the jungle , dancing and any silly  reality exhibitionist shows . He can have some credible work and think channel 5 would sign him up with the championship being very competitive .
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 12, 2016, 10:58:54 PM
Also destined for some motd2 work and either bt or sky sports . Good luck Stan and keep championing the villa.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: not3bad on July 12, 2016, 11:33:30 PM
Over the Moon that Rupert Murdoch has secured a greater share of British media, as I feel he does not have enough influence.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nev on July 13, 2016, 03:01:36 PM
Colin Murray has now left Talksport due to the Murdoch/Sun link up.

I've been very vocal on here about my dislike of Murray as a presenter but have huge admiration for this bold decision.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on July 13, 2016, 03:19:20 PM
I don't think Collymore left of his own free will, didn't his post contain the words that the contract offer he'd had, had been withdrawn?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2016, 04:22:33 PM
I don't think Collymore left of his own free will, didn't his post contain the words that the contract offer he'd had, had been withdrawn?

You missed an excellent opportunity then to type 'had' three times in succession, legitimately.

I'm disappointed.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 05:35:46 PM
Over the Moon that Rupert Murdoch has secured a greater share of British media, as I feel he does not have enough influence.

Wasn't there some law passed where he/someone could only own so much? Maybe I dreamt it?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 13, 2016, 06:31:05 PM
I don't think Collymore left of his own free will, didn't his post contain the words that the contract offer he'd had, had been withdrawn?

You missed an excellent opportunity then to type 'had' three times in succession, legitimately.

I'm disappointed.

Agreed. Hang your head in shame.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 13, 2016, 09:10:53 PM
Colin Murray has now left Talksport due to the Murdoch/Sun link up.

I've been very vocal on here about my dislike of Murray as a presenter but have huge admiration for this bold decision.

Well at least something good has come out of it all.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 13, 2016, 09:19:04 PM
Colin Murray has now left Talksport due to the Murdoch/Sun link up.

I've been very vocal on here about my dislike of Murray as a presenter but have huge admiration for this bold decision.

I do find CM an annoying shit, but he has gone up in my estimations today.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: spangley1812 on July 13, 2016, 09:24:55 PM
Colin Murray has now left Talksport due to the Murdoch/Sun link up.

I've been very vocal on here about my dislike of Murray as a presenter but have huge admiration for this bold decision.

I do find CM an annoying shit, but he has gone up in my estimations today.

Agreed 200%
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2016, 09:27:22 PM
I don't think Collymore left of his own free will, didn't his post contain the words that the contract offer he'd had, had been withdrawn?

You missed an excellent opportunity then to type 'had' three times in succession, legitimately.

I'm disappointed.

Agreed. Hang your head in shame.

I have to wade in here. Brilliant opportunity squandered. Poor.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Vegas on July 13, 2016, 09:37:07 PM
I don't think Collymore left of his own free will, didn't his post contain the words that the contract offer he'd had, had been withdrawn?

You missed an excellent opportunity then to type 'had' three times in succession, legitimately.

I'm disappointed.

Agreed. Hang your head in shame.

I have to wade in here. Brilliant opportunity squandered. Poor.

Lee B, where AV82EC had "he'd had, had", had "had had, had".

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: DeeBoy1 on July 13, 2016, 09:52:46 PM
I don't think Collymore left of his own free will, didn't his post contain the words that the contract offer he'd had, had been withdrawn?

You missed an excellent opportunity then to type 'had' three times in succession, legitimately.

I'm disappointed.

Agreed. Hang your head in shame.

I have to wade in here. Brilliant opportunity squandered. Poor.

Lee B, where AV82EC had "he'd had, had", had "had had, had".



Bravo
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2016, 09:55:31 PM
Nah that's just showing off.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Joe S on July 14, 2016, 10:20:18 AM
Pity Colin Murray has chopped it in really, at least his show was usually lighthearted and didn't take itself too seriously. His guests / friends helped carry the show and wasn't bad as background noise whilst working from home.

Aside from H&J and Alan Brazil to an extent, the other shows seem to take everything way too seriously. I don't mind SVC at all, but he was guilty of trying to stir things up as much as possible, which is usually a prerequisite of TalkSHITE so it's forgiven to an extent.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 14, 2016, 10:23:41 AM
Bet Collymore is kicking himself for not using a similar line to Murray. Not a fan of his but respect to him for doing what he did.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on July 14, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
I feel suitably admonished for my poor grasp of syntax and the opportunity to look like a complete show off. My humble English Language O Level C grade has come back to bite me on the arse.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2016, 11:09:19 AM
Bet Collymore is kicking himself for not using a similar line to Murray. Not a fan of his but respect to him for doing what he did.

I liked Murray on Fighting Talk. I've only listened a couple of times since he left (despite also being a fan of Widdicombe).
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 14, 2016, 04:38:20 PM
Have to smile at SVC ....he was writing letters as to why he has left Talk Sport ........ seems to forget he was sacked !!!
Oh well guess it simply shows how intelligent this idiot is
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 14, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
Below is SVC words on leaving in an open letter.
Good luck Stan and I think he'll do okay 😊



"Wanted to thank everyone firstly for a mind boggling amount of appreciative messages over the last couple of days. From the UK to Australia and USA and everywhere in between I'm genuinely humbled at how Call Collymore and Feist Night was listened to on the night shift in Manchester, morning drive to work in Melbourne , afternoon run in Cape Town. Truly staggering!

It's an uncertain time but potentially exciting one too with many people offering support, opportunities and expertise to 'keep the show on the road'.

I don't want, nor do listeners or viewers I'd guess, a bedroom set up, ranting at a wall and putting it out as a podcast. They want the technical excellence of traditional broadcast outlets, with the flexibility to watch or listen whenever and wherever they like but also have set times, their times, like MNFN where my idea was simple 7 years ago. You get in from grafting, you run a bath , and have some time to yourself, nodding in approval or shouting at the phone or radio in angry disagreement. That's why I do it, that's honestly why I've done 500 games on the road in the cold, the snow, the rain , to entertain, hopefully inform and most importantly give people something to feel a part of.

My shows had huge audiences. Imagine being up against the BBC 5 LIVE, Sky Sports machinery at 4pm on a Sunday when United play Arsenal yet get callers calling in for 2 full hours, with 26% year on year growth doing it! Unbelievable Jeff!

I know I have baggage, I know my past is unpalatable to some, but I'd like to think I left that guy behind nearly 20 years ago, and the reaction of journalists, broadcasters, sportsmen and women on Twitter over the last 48 hours perhaps showed many only now judge me on who I am now and what I do now. And that fills me with much pride.

Unfortunately that past makes some who make the decisions edgy and nervous, and why wouldn't they be? A guy who at least tries to tackle issues, clubs, stigmas and false narratives basically makes the top men nervous, as it could be their job on the line( a wrong assumption). So the audience and broadcaster who bring in the sponsors, ratings and entertainment, reflecting fans views across the country end up with banal, straightmen who toe the line, never say anything too controversial and frustrate the audience into switching off or fast forwarding. I took some unpopular views on Luis Suarez at LFC, Everton under Bill, my own club Aston Villa's senior players and of course England over many years. Who else does? Really? Who talks mental health stigma on sport and life? Or calls legitimately for the Sun to be shut down because of its deeds over many years? Or how the FA and Premier League at a time of plenty somehow manage to increase tickets for you the fan, along with less grass roots funding or obscene short prices for your kids? Anyone?

How about following England fans and seeing the idiots and those who just wanted to have fun, portraying the truth of a 35 thousand strong support infiltrated by several hundred idiots? Anyone report fairly on them, or shall we just call them all scum, just for having a flag and a few beers? Or secrarianism, not dealt with by any Scottish paper or outlet, but by me, who got the sack from BT Sport for my trouble because the obscene chanting live on their screens was simply ignored.

I'm no saint, I don't profess to be, but using Twitter since 2008, Periscope in a new, aggressive fashion during Euro 2016, tackling important issues on air or in print shouldn't be sidelined, or marginalised, because if it is, then what we see or here becomes a mouthpiece for those who don't wish to give you raw, unfiltered honesty, but want to guide you away from controversy, truth, thorny subjects which surely we all crave and want, in football or life?

I'll leave it to the reader to decide as to why a thorough, comprehensive contract was withdrawn ( my card was marked after week 1 of the Euro's) after huge numbers, popular shows and unprecedented growth in the week where a company now has a monopoly of print, radio, tv and video clip content for our great league, the Premier League, one which is getting less and less about fans, never mind long standing fans, but consumers, and consumers who are given little real choice as to who they hear or watch and what they hear or watch on tv, radio or print.

My broadcast heros are Alex Jones and in particular Howard Stern ( I like neither mans politics by the way), who took the decision to break away from traditional media and set up on their own. Both men now say what they want, when they want and have huge numbers who engage with them along with A listers who now join a queue to get on their shows. But it was a long climb for both with sackings aplenty over the years before what they do could simply no longer be ignored.

I love the people who follow me on Twitter, those who agree, those who give me stick without resorting to old stereotypes, because that's what makes me tick as a broadcaster, namely opinions, reaction to a fast moving football world, insight from me to you and you to me, and a rawness that simply has to be real, not manufactured or staged.

I want to continue Call Collymore to the biggest amount of people possible, and I will, syndicated, with a traditional station or a set up using new media. It will be on a par with the very best media outlets or it won't be for me. It must be interactive with callers, social media and honesty otherwise it won't be for me.

In summary, I intend to go nowhere. I'm a full time, award wing broadcaster with more games as a broadcaster and player under my belt than anyone else on our island, likewise more phone in hours solo in the last 8 years than anyone else. It was me who created Feist a Night, it's concept, and aim, and that debate, with a worthy opponent will happen too.

Many people are gutted that I've gone, many are happy, but I'll leave you with this. If you've helped a company near double in size while entertaining, getting big names on, using new methods to engage with the listener and winning awards, yet have a contract withdrawn because of legitimate criticism of its new owner, what does that mean for what you currently watch, or listen to or read?

I'd suggest everything. You know what you want, rather what you're told or manipulated into reading, watching or listening.

See you soon "
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 14, 2016, 04:53:11 PM
Have to smile at SVC ....he was writing letters as to why he has left Talk Sport ........ seems to forget he was sacked !!!
Oh well guess it simply shows how intelligent this idiot is

Due to him commenting on the new regime he gave his right to reply im not sure why  youre trying to dig him out as he wrote both honestly and openly .
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: KevinGage on July 14, 2016, 05:26:42 PM
Quote
I don't want, nor do listeners or viewers I'd guess, a bedroom set up, ranting at a wall...

It hasn't held him back until now.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 14, 2016, 05:40:53 PM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: KevinGage on July 14, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
You don't know what you've got until it's gone.

We'll miss self-appointed Villa People's Champion Stan Collywobbles fighting our cause on the national airwaves!

Still, gives him that chance to focus on the other 91 clubs now.  That, or painting next door's fence.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PGW on July 14, 2016, 05:49:27 PM
You don't know what you've got until it's gone.

We'll miss self-appointed Villa People's Champion Stan Collywobbles fighting our cause on the national airwaves!

Still, gives him that chance to focus on the other 91 clubs now.  That, or painting next door's fence.
More likely to be looking over next door's fence!!!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SteveN on July 14, 2016, 05:49:53 PM
Since retiring I listen to a fair amount of radio moving between R4 R4X 5live and talksport.

Have to say I've grown to like Colin Murray but SVC is on my list of those that immediately make me turn off. List includes Durham, Gough, Quinn, Bingham, Cundy, Goldstein, Houghton and probably some I've missed.  Not many left when I think about it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 14, 2016, 05:51:32 PM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?

TS or News Corp blocked him because he slated The Sun and told people to stop buying it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2016, 05:57:52 PM
Since retiring I listen to a fair amount of radio moving between R4 R4X 5live and talksport.

Have to say I've grown to like Colin Murray but SVC is on my list of those that immediately make me turn off. List includes Durham, Gough, Quinn, Bingham, Cundy, Goldstein, Houghton and probably some I've missed.  Not many left when I think about it.


I think we could share a car journey but you forgot Brazil !
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 14, 2016, 06:06:09 PM
Have to smile at SVC ....he was writing letters as to why he has left Talk Sport ........ seems to forget he was sacked !!!
Oh well guess it simply shows how intelligent this idiot is

As phone-in presenters go I'd say he's pretty high up in the intelligence stakes.
Also I'd say he's been sacked for what he's said about the Sun and Murdoch in the past, and fair play to him as well.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Damo70 on July 14, 2016, 06:06:41 PM
I have a mental image of Stan repeatedly singing Billy Bragg's 'Scousers Never Buy The Sun'.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Damo70 on July 14, 2016, 06:10:49 PM
Colin Murray has now left Talksport due to the Murdoch/Sun link up.

I've been very vocal on here about my dislike of Murray as a presenter but have huge admiration for this bold decision.

I do find CM an annoying shit, but he has gone up in my estimations today.

Agreed 200%


I admire him for his decision. I doubt if he is financially set up for life so it is a bold decision. I quite liked him. He seemed genuinely enthusiastic and the tales of him and Keith Gillespie during the Euros were great.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 14, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
I remember the torture of having to listen to annoying drivel of Colin Murray on Radio One piped though at work many years ago. It was even worse on Talksport what with there being no music to drown him out.
Fair play to him sticking two fingers up to Murdoch though.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 14, 2016, 06:18:12 PM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?

You make it sound like Collymore is a serial thug who goes around beating people up, which he isn't from what I know. And if he wants to chat up the ladies, so what?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2016, 07:32:08 PM
Colin Murray has now left Talksport due to the Murdoch/Sun link up.

I've been very vocal on here about my dislike of Murray as a presenter but have huge admiration for this bold decision.

I do find CM an annoying shit, but he has gone up in my estimations today.

Agreed 200%


I admire him for his decision. I doubt if he is financially set up for life so it is a bold decision. I quite liked him. He seemed genuinely enthusiastic and the tales of him and Keith Gillespie during the Euros were great.

I'm with you. His affection for football is genuine. Top marks for his stance on this matter.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2016, 07:33:07 PM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?

You make it sound like Collymore is a serial thug who goes around beating people up, which he isn't from what I know. And if he wants to chat up the ladies, so what?

It does come across as though Leicester Villa has been snubbed by said 18 year old.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 14, 2016, 08:27:32 PM
I've never been a fan of Colin Murray but my best mate who I trust unconditionally and who really doesn't suffer fools had dealings with him from pre Radio One days and really liked him, he's seen him since and said he's still the same likeable guy.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 14, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
Have to say Colin Murray's column in the metro sports section every Friday is usually very good
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 15, 2016, 01:18:02 AM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?

You make it sound like Collymore is a serial thug who goes around beating people up, which he isn't from what I know. And if he wants to chat up the ladies, so what?

Well she is above the age of conscent true.  But then Collymore must be in his forties which does put a different spin on it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: itbrvilla on July 15, 2016, 01:20:15 AM
Have to say Colin Murray's column in the metro sports section every Friday is usually very good
Shame the twat cant say Birmingham.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ad@m on July 15, 2016, 02:20:42 PM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?

You make it sound like Collymore is a serial thug who goes around beating people up, which he isn't from what I know. And if he wants to chat up the ladies, so what?

Well she is above the age of conscent true.  But then Collymore must be in his forties which does put a different spin on it.

Mick Jagger (72) just got his 29 year old girlfriend up the duff!

Still, at least his great granddaughter will have someone her own age to play with!!!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
the priapic old goat's only days away from being 73.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 15, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?

You make it sound like Collymore is a serial thug who goes around beating people up, which he isn't from what I know. And if he wants to chat up the ladies, so what?

Well she is above the age of conscent true.  But then Collymore must be in his forties which does put a different spin on it.

Mick Jagger (72) just got his 29 year old girlfriend up the duff!

Still, at least his great granddaughter will have someone her own age to play with!!!

Its not the same.  For two reasons, one I assume their married or at least in a relationship.  And two no matter the age gap, 29 is still a very mature age, 18 not so much.

But it was just a thought in passing.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 15, 2016, 04:29:38 PM
The problem with SVC is he has a massive ego where he thinks the 18 year olds think he is a god ........ they actually see him as a total loser

What he seems to forget is the public in the main see him as:

Someone who takes his anger out on females
Is in the end a failed footballer ...... ability was there but he failed
Sacked by more than one broadcaster e.g. BBC & Talksport
Took his so called club to the cleaners financially
Enjoy pastimes sometimes called dogging
Believes his view is the only view and will block anybody who wishes to disagree e.g. Twitter

In the end he appears to be failing in whatever he seems to do but Im sure its not his fault
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2016, 04:32:24 PM
The problem with SVC is he has a massive ego where he thinks the 18 year olds think he is a god ........ they actually see him as a total loser

What he seems to forget is the public in the main see him as:

Someone who takes his anger out on females
Is in the end a failed footballer ...... ability was there but he failed
Sacked by more than one broadcaster e.g. BBC & Talksport
Took his so called club to the cleaners financially
Enjoy pastimes sometimes called dogging
Believes his view is the only view and will block anybody who wishes to disagree e.g. Twitter

In the end he appears to be failing in whatever he seems to do but Im sure its not his fault

An 18 year old won't be clued up about his failings - they'll see a rich and famous celebrity who is therefore anything but a loser.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ad@m on July 15, 2016, 04:36:01 PM
The problem with SVC is he has a massive ego where he thinks the 18 year olds think he is a god ........ they actually see him as a total loser

What he seems to forget is the public in the main see him as:

Someone who takes his anger out on females
Is in the end a failed footballer ...... ability was there but he failed
Sacked by more than one broadcaster e.g. BBC & Talksport
Took his so called club to the cleaners financially
Enjoy pastimes sometimes called dogging
Believes his view is the only view and will block anybody who wishes to disagree e.g. Twitter

In the end he appears to be failing in whatever he seems to do but Im sure its not his fault

I hadn't realised you'd been appointed 'Official Spokesperson for the public in the main and all 18 year olds'.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 15, 2016, 04:46:35 PM
The problem with SVC is he has a massive ego where he thinks the 18 year olds think he is a god ........ they actually see him as a total loser

What he seems to forget is the public in the main see him as:

Someone who takes his anger out on females
Is in the end a failed footballer ...... ability was there but he failed
Sacked by more than one broadcaster e.g. BBC & Talksport
Took his so called club to the cleaners financially
Enjoy pastimes sometimes called dogging
Believes his view is the only view and will block anybody who wishes to disagree e.g. Twitter

In the end he appears to be failing in whatever he seems to do but Im sure its not his fault

From what I'm aware of he had one instance of violence against women which was what nearly 20 years ago? Bad enough, but you can't keep on punishing him forever especially when he's paid his dues.
Failed footballer? Really?
Dogging? Big deal.
Sacked by Talksport because of his stance against Murdoch and his cronies. Fair play to him.
Blocks people on Twitter? Wow, I didn't realise that was a crime.

Good luck to him I say.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 15, 2016, 05:19:37 PM
The problem with SVC is he has a massive ego where he thinks the 18 year olds think he is a god ........ they actually see him as a total loser

What he seems to forget is the public in the main see him as:

Someone who takes his anger out on females
Is in the end a failed footballer ...... ability was there but he failed
Sacked by more than one broadcaster e.g. BBC & Talksport
Took his so called club to the cleaners financially
Enjoy pastimes sometimes called dogging
Believes his view is the only view and will block anybody who wishes to disagree e.g. Twitter

In the end he appears to be failing in whatever he seems to do but Im sure its not his fault

An 18 year old won't be clued up about his failings - they'll see a rich and famous celebrity who is therefore anything but a loser.

Sorry but 18 year olds in Cannock know exactly who he is and don't see him as a famous celebrity ...they see him as a total idiot (thought best use a polite word)
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 15, 2016, 05:22:30 PM
I've made my views on collymore plain in the past, but how do you what all 18 year olds in Cannock think? What about 18 years olds in Swansea? Bristol? And so on.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
Sorry but Collymore is nothing but a liar and a thug ......... he only says things to suit his PR
Those who disagree with him on Twitter he simply blocks .......
Seems like Talk Sport have simply blocked him now
Any Stan more time for trying to chat up the 18 year olds in Fitness First and to spend at the Chase
He took AVFC for a ride and deserves all he gets ........ how many times has he now been sacked?

You make it sound like Collymore is a serial thug who goes around beating people up, which he isn't from what I know. And if he wants to chat up the ladies, so what?

It does come across as though Leicester Villa has been snubbed by said 18 year old.

Chortle.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 15, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
quoting Cannock because when it suits him thats where he was based ......... and can only go what my step daughter and friends quoted
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2016, 06:04:27 PM
The problem with SVC is he has a massive ego where he thinks the 18 year olds think he is a god ........ they actually see him as a total loser

What he seems to forget is the public in the main see him as:

Someone who takes his anger out on females
Is in the end a failed footballer ...... ability was there but he failed
Sacked by more than one broadcaster e.g. BBC & Talksport
Took his so called club to the cleaners financially
Enjoy pastimes sometimes called dogging
Believes his view is the only view and will block anybody who wishes to disagree e.g. Twitter

In the end he appears to be failing in whatever he seems to do but Im sure its not his fault

From what I'm aware of he had one instance of violence against women which was what nearly 20 years ago? Bad enough, but you can't keep on punishing him forever especially when he's paid his dues.
Failed footballer? Really?
Dogging? Big deal.
Sacked by Talksport because of his stance against Murdoch and his cronies. Fair play to him.
Blocks people on Twitter? Wow, I didn't realise that was a crime.

Good luck to him I say.

Agreed. I never purposely listen to TS but when I've heard him while it's on in somebody's car he's more listenable than any of the other wankers I've accidentally heard.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 15, 2016, 06:11:13 PM
Even trying to ignore my bias because of what I think of him I thought he was crap whenever I listened to him commentate. Talked loads of shite, made up stats about himself, shouted over, and would constantly interrupt to say he was wrong, his co-commentator whenever he disagreed and so on.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Cliftonville Villain on July 15, 2016, 06:37:38 PM
There's nothing wrong with showing a bit of passion, and during that season of shite, he called it as it was, from Lerner down to the clowns on the pitch. And as for his failings, which he acknowledges himself, Stan would be the first to say that on signing for Villa the stage was set for him to become a legend. The reality of how it panned out was down to Stan himself and his problems at the time. Wasn't sure about that recent interview with Mark Saggers, but on the whole, I agreed with 99% of his views on the Villa.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 15, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
Stans Collymore talks about his mental problems openly. He doesnt use them to justify any of his past misdemeanors but highlights how his unsettling mind has caused issues. It's a case that he like all of us have struggles and with out the right support or love and understanding even good things can be problems. Collymore is a character who is misunderstood but if you read his book you see how much he has been through and in my opinion it's brilliant he has managed to have a radio career rather than take a darker path. 
I understand others and their opinions ,the more I think about it , but for me it's the persons behaviour not them them self
. Also i prefer to  look more at positives at stans achievements playing and broadcasting.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: The Edge on July 15, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
I think its a pity that SVC has been dropped from Talksport. He was a Villa voice in a sea of broadcasters who follow cockney clubs (a disproportionate amount of West Ham fans), Man U "fans" and Liverpool "fans" Stan was our lone mouthpiece among the many who seem to ignore our very existence. However, i will not miss his really annoying habit of pluralising. "You got yer Arsenals,yer Man yoos, yer Liverpools, of this world" I swear i once heard him say "you got yer Fergusons, yer  Wengers and yer Benitezis" grrrrrr. Proper pisses me off broadcasters who spout this shite. Yer Ray Parlours is the latest exponent.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
I think its a pity that SVC has been dropped from Talksport. He was a Villa voice in a sea of broadcasters who follow cockney clubs (a disproportionate amount of West Ham fans), Man U "fans" and Liverpool "fans" Stan was our lone mouthpiece among the many who seem to ignore our very existence. However, i will not miss his really annoying habit of pluralising. "You got yer Arsenals,yer Man yoos, yer Liverpools, of this world" I swear i once heard him say "you got yer Fergusons, yer  Wengers and yer Benitezis" grrrrrr. Proper pisses me off broadcasters who spout this shite. Yer Ray Parlours is the latest exponent.

Yer lols.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 15, 2016, 09:19:37 PM
I think its a pity that SVC has been dropped from Talksport. He was a Villa voice in a sea of broadcasters who follow cockney clubs (a disproportionate amount of West Ham fans), Man U "fans" and Liverpool "fans" Stan was our lone mouthpiece among the many who seem to ignore our very existence. However, i will not miss his really annoying habit of pluralising. "You got yer Arsenals,yer Man yoos, yer Liverpools, of this world" I swear i once heard him say "you got yer Fergusons, yer  Wengers and yer Benitezis" grrrrrr. Proper pisses me off broadcasters who spout this shite. Yer Ray Parlours is the latest exponent.


This also annoys the bloody life out of me and deserved to be in the off topic annoying things people say thread


I'm fuming just reading it!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
I think its a pity that SVC has been dropped from Talksport. He was a Villa voice in a sea of broadcasters who follow cockney clubs (a disproportionate amount of West Ham fans), Man U "fans" and Liverpool "fans" Stan was our lone mouthpiece among the many who seem to ignore our very existence. However, i will not miss his really annoying habit of pluralising. "You got yer Arsenals,yer Man yoos, yer Liverpools, of this world" I swear i once heard him say "you got yer Fergusons, yer  Wengers and yer Benitezis" grrrrrr. Proper pisses me off broadcasters who spout this shite. Yer Ray Parlours is the latest exponent.


This also annoys the bloody life out of me and deserved to be in the off topic annoying things people say thread


I'm fuming just reading it!

Along with the creation of what I assume are clones through the use of the indefinite article; the FA appointing an Allardyce with an Eddie Howe learning alongside him being a recently spouted example. How many Allardyces and Howes are there?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 15, 2016, 09:43:42 PM
I think its a pity that SVC has been dropped from Talksport. He was a Villa voice in a sea of broadcasters who follow cockney clubs (a disproportionate amount of West Ham fans), Man U "fans" and Liverpool "fans" Stan was our lone mouthpiece among the many who seem to ignore our very existence. However, i will not miss his really annoying habit of pluralising. "You got yer Arsenals,yer Man yoos, yer Liverpools, of this world" I swear i once heard him say "you got yer Fergusons, yer  Wengers and yer Benitezis" grrrrrr. Proper pisses me off broadcasters who spout this shite. Yer Ray Parlours is the latest exponent.


This also annoys the bloody life out of me and deserved to be in the off topic annoying things people say thread


I'm fuming just reading it!

Along with the creation of what I assume are clones through the use of the indefinite article; the FA appointing an Allardyce with an Eddie Howe learning alongside him being a recently spouted example. How many Allardyces and Howes are there?


In fact it's s good job our neighbours are shit or he'd quote 'the baggies is the saddlers is'
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Ad@m on July 15, 2016, 10:11:36 PM
quoting Cannock because when it suits him thats where he was based ......... and can only go what my step daughter and friends quoted

Ah, OK. So it's not most of the public, it's the view of you, your step daughter and her mates.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 16, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
I don't rate him as a pudit and think he runs his mouth way too much IMO. But then this is a free country and nothing wrong with a bit of passion.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2016, 07:13:35 AM
I agree - anyone berating an ex- footballer for incorrectly using the indefinite article is a bit of an article themselves.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Vegas on July 17, 2016, 07:51:07 AM
I think its a pity that SVC has been dropped from Talksport. He was a Villa voice in a sea of broadcasters who follow cockney clubs (a disproportionate amount of West Ham fans), Man U "fans" and Liverpool "fans" Stan was our lone mouthpiece among the many who seem to ignore our very existence. However, i will not miss his really annoying habit of pluralising. "You got yer Arsenals,yer Man yoos, yer Liverpools, of this world" I swear i once heard him say "you got yer Fergusons, yer  Wengers and yer Benitezis" grrrrrr. Proper pisses me off broadcasters who spout this shite. Yer Ray Parlours is the latest exponent.


This also annoys the bloody life out of me and deserved to be in the off topic annoying things people say thread


I'm fuming just reading it!

Along with the creation of what I assume are clones through the use of the indefinite article; the FA appointing an Allardyce with an Eddie Howe learning alongside him being a recently spouted example. How many Allardyces and Howes are there?

This last one is quite a good, succinct way of saying "an experienced manager with a younger coach alongside him, a really good example of which could be Allardyce and Howe".

I quite like him as a pundit; he's generally fairly considered and got something interesting to say, and does it with a bit of character and passion.  Add to that the fact he's a rare unabashedly pro-Villa voice in the national media, means I'd sooner listen to him than most others.

Plenty of targets for our wrath and ire above SVC for my money.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 19, 2016, 12:30:35 AM
Great to hear Stan will look to continue as he's one of the best pundits around here's what he has to say in the mirror.
Sounds very interesting and he gets write with such honesty and thought fair play to him I say .

Stan Collymore's column in the mirror

After eight exciting, enjoyable and at times downright argumentative years, my time at talkSPORT finally came to end last week when the offer of a new contract was withdrawn.

The overriding emotion is one of disappointment after giving them so much during that period, at times putting my mental health on the line because of the sheer volume of games I covered, travelling all over the country and getting involved in arguments and debates as you do as a passionate football broadcaster.

I will always be grateful for the opportunity I was given by talkSPORT, although I paid that back to a station which, in all honesty, was the last word in doing things right in the industry when I arrived but is one of the genuine players in the market today.

I’ve had some wonderful messages of support, seemingly in the tens of thousands, from journalists, broadcasters, celebrities and, every bit as importantly, from listeners who’d tune in while out running in Cape Town, driving home from work in Melbourne, or from games at Elland Road and Pride Park.

It has been truly unbelievable.

So what next for me? Well, you will of course still be able to read me in the Sunday People and on Mirror Online but I will also be back on the airwaves soon.

o borrow a Brexiteers’ phrase, ‘I’m going to have more control over what I do’ and that means I won’t be putting myself in the position where somebody can say, ‘Well, because we disagree with your dissent to a degree we’re going to marginalise you’.

There are so many more avenues to do it now and some exciting opportunities in the pipeline. It’s onwards and upwards.

It goes without saying that I wish everybody at talkSPORT the very best of success, but I still think people want Call Collymore, Feist Night and healthy football debate after matches, so long may it all continue.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2016, 01:23:39 AM
What a treat that promises to be. For the deaf.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2016, 01:30:28 AM
I've made my views on collymore plain in the past, but how do you what all 18 year olds in Cannock think? What about 18 years olds in Swansea? Bristol? And so on.

They'll all be far too busy catching Japanese monster sprites to worry about Stan Collymore.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2016, 08:12:48 AM
The control bit sounds like he could be launching a podcast.  A few have made a success of it and collymore is better connected than most.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 09:42:40 AM
Playing the mental illness card again...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2016, 10:59:08 AM
Playing the mental illness card again...
Yep, acknowledging he suffers from (and therefore raising awareness of) a much misunderstood and underestimated problem it utterly heinous.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 12:35:32 PM
Playing the mental illness card again...
Yep, acknowledging he suffers from (and therefore raising awareness of) a much misunderstood and underestimated problem it utterly heinous.

Only when it suits him though...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 19, 2016, 12:41:09 PM
Sounds like he's finally got the much-coveted sports job at North Norfolk Digital.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Witton Warrior on July 19, 2016, 12:50:53 PM
Playing the mental illness card again...

Should someone with a disability not mention it then?
Just asking in case I get accused of it at some point...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Witton Warrior on July 19, 2016, 12:51:33 PM
Playing the mental illness card again...
Yep, acknowledging he suffers from (and therefore raising awareness of) a much misunderstood and underestimated problem it utterly heinous.

Only when it suits him though...

Is there some sort of appropriate "mention it" standard then?
It's obvious you don't like him so just leave it at that would you.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:57:06 PM
Playing the mental illness card again...

Classy mate, very classy.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 19, 2016, 12:59:34 PM
Playing the mental illness card again...

Classy mate, very classy.

My thoughts too.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: placeforparks on July 19, 2016, 01:08:33 PM
The control bit sounds like he could be launching a podcast.  A few have made a success of it and collymore is better connected than most.

hmm i'm not sure a one-way stan collymore diatribe would really work as a podcast... i think he's at his best when he is doing the phone-ins and/or bouncing off others.

i wouldn't be surprised if collymore did some guest spots on 606 next season. he's not everyone's cup of tea, but neither are ian wright and robbie savage.

and a colin murray/stan collymore 606 would wind up TalkShite...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 19, 2016, 01:13:37 PM
After his exploits in France, maybe he fancies himself as some kind of investigative "journaliste" like Roger Cook or Ross Kemp. Or Kevin Turvey
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 19, 2016, 04:16:27 PM
Playing the mental illness card again...

Classy mate, very classy.

I thought it was SVC who put this in the arena
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 19, 2016, 04:25:55 PM
Playing the mental illness card again...

Classy mate, very classy.

I thought it was SVC who put this in the arena

Well he mentioned it briefly and relevantly. That's not putting it in any arena or playing any card.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 04:53:05 PM
He's used his mental illness to imply that Talksport treated him harshly during his tenure there, making him work hard despite his depression etc. I have complete sympathy for those with any form of mental illness, but it's a shame we can't have a discussion about how Stan uses his illness to gain leverage of some sort without it being assumed that I'm being disparaging about mental illness itself.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 19, 2016, 05:07:28 PM
You might want to stop making disparaging comments like "playing the mental illness card again" then.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:11:38 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 05:14:01 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:18:13 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 05:19:09 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.

Wow, what a lovely chap you are.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 19, 2016, 05:19:51 PM
Could that be part of his illness, the one you have "complete sympathy" for?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:26:12 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.

Wow, what a lovely chap you are.

Why,? Just because I'm cynical about a media personality who's deliberately provocative, has made a career out of baiting people, chooses controversial subjects to inflame debate beyond what's normally acceptable, and has a history of being a nasty peice of work to boot?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2016, 05:27:40 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 05:29:59 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.

How would you know when he brings it up on twitter or not?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:31:10 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

But he never mentions it when he's bear baiting on Twitter?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 05:39:22 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

But he never mentions it when he's bear baiting on Twitter?

I'll ask again, how do you know what he puts on twitter?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:41:21 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

But he never mentions it when he's bear baiting on Twitter?

I'll ask again, how do you know what he puts on twitter?

Do you know how Twitter works?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 19, 2016, 05:46:14 PM
I would suggest people who have sympathy for SVC read two autobiography's and then pass comment .....
Gazza ....accepts he was to blame for just about everything that went wrong
SVC ...... nothing was his fault and he blamed everybody else
It just like now he is stating Talk Sport were not helping his health ......
I have to also smile in the stories he has put out " why I left TS" ........ can someone remind him he was sacked ........ if this had not been the case I feel sure that despite his health being harmed he would still be picking up his salary
SVC just says what suits him at the time !!!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 19, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
I would suggest certain posters go and get themselves a bit more informed on the topic.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 05:50:52 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

But he never mentions it when he's bear baiting on Twitter?

I'll ask again, how do you know what he puts on twitter?

Do you know how Twitter works?

Yes, but you still haven't answered my question.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:51:28 PM
Well take an informed guess then...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 05:52:46 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:53:04 PM
I would suggest certain posters go and get themselves a bit more informed on the topic.

What topic? Stan Collymore?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:54:09 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?

I have done. I also follow Donald Trump, who I loathe.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 19, 2016, 05:55:35 PM
I would suggest certain posters go and get themselves a bit more informed on the topic.

Meaning? SVC says what suits him when it suits him
There is nothing worse than mental illness but did SVC walk away because his health was suffering? We know the answer and my bet it would not have had a mention if he was still employed at TS
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 19, 2016, 05:56:45 PM
As I said...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 05:57:04 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?

I have done. I also follow Donald Trump, who I loathe.

Ah, just as I thought.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 05:58:11 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?

I have done. I also follow Donald Trump, who I loathe.

Ah, just as I thought.

Well go on then Sygmund...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?

I have done. I also follow Donald Trump, who I loathe.

Ah, just as I thought.

Well go on then Sygmund...

No, I think that's a good enough to place to leave the debate. Thanks.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 06:01:43 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?

I have done. I also follow Donald Trump, who I loathe.

Ah, just as I thought.

Well go on then Sygmund...

No, I think that's a good enough to place to leave the debate. Thanks.

Strange, but whatever...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 19, 2016, 06:02:51 PM
As I said...

You appear to be stating that I need to be better informed on the topic .....Would you like to explain your reasons for that statement and where I am wrong in what I say
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 06:15:05 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?

I have done. I also follow Donald Trump, who I loathe.

Ah, just as I thought.

Well go on then Sygmund...

No, I think that's a good enough to place to leave the debate. Thanks.

Strange, but whatever...

Well, not it's not. You answered my question and for the risk of boring everyone else, it's best to leave it there I think.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 06:17:40 PM
Well take an informed guess then...

You follow him?

I have done. I also follow Donald Trump, who I loathe.

Ah, just as I thought.

Well go on then Sygmund...

No, I think that's a good enough to place to leave the debate. Thanks.

Strange, but whatever...

Well, not it's not. You answered my question and for the risk of boring everyone else, it's best to leave it there I think.

As I said... whatever.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2016, 06:24:34 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

Thing is SV, as we don't know illness affects him, you could be right you could be wrong, it's probably just best not to comment rather than potentially looking ignorant.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

Thing is SV, as we don't know illness affects him, you could be right you could be wrong, it's probably just best not to comment rather than potentially looking ignorant.

If he wasn't such a deliberately controversial character I'd agree with you. But as we all know, Stan loves nothing more than media exposure. I haven't said he's not mentally ill, I haven't said mental illness doesn't exist. All I've said is that Stan sometimes uses his illness to increase his media exposure when it suits.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2016, 06:35:57 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

Thing is SV, as we don't know illness affects him, you could be right you could be wrong, it's probably just best not to comment rather than potentially looking ignorant.

If he wasn't such a deliberately controversial character I'd agree with you. But as we all know, Stan loves nothing more than media exposure. I haven't said he's not mentally ill, I haven't said mental illness doesn't exist. All I've said is that Stan sometimes uses his illness to increase his media exposure when it suits.

And you definitely know this or have proof other than anecdotal evidence?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 06:39:14 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

Thing is SV, as we don't know illness affects him, you could be right you could be wrong, it's probably just best not to comment rather than potentially looking ignorant.

If he wasn't such a deliberately controversial character I'd agree with you. But as we all know, Stan loves nothing more than media exposure. I haven't said he's not mentally ill, I haven't said mental illness doesn't exist. All I've said is that Stan sometimes uses his illness to increase his media exposure when it suits.

And you definitely know this or have proof other than anecdotal evidence?

Do I need it? It's a discussion forum not a court of law.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV82EC on July 19, 2016, 06:56:00 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

Thing is SV, as we don't know illness affects him, you could be right you could be wrong, it's probably just best not to comment rather than potentially looking ignorant.

If he wasn't such a deliberately controversial character I'd agree with you. But as we all know, Stan loves nothing more than media exposure. I haven't said he's not mentally ill, I haven't said mental illness doesn't exist. All I've said is that Stan sometimes uses his illness to increase his media exposure when it suits.

And you definitely know this or have proof other than anecdotal evidence?

Do I need it? It's a discussion forum not a court of law.

No but your implication is he does based on nothing more than anecdotal evidence which incidentally you still haven't produced. I'm no lover of SVC but before you kick the man when he's down how about justifying your comments. I follow SVC on Twitter and haven't once seen him play the mental illness card in his "sacking" from Talksport.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 07:28:52 PM
"Putting my mental health on the line because of the sheer volume of games I covered, travelling all over the country and getting involved in arguments and debates as you do as a passionate football broadcaster."
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: stuart445 on July 19, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
Why? I think it sums up what Stan does perfectly.

I follow him on twitter and he doesn't bring it up that much, and if he did, what's the problem?

No he doesn't bring it up that often, only when things are going badly for Stan.
What you mean a guy who is prone to depression brings it up when things are going badly for him and maybe he's feeling a bit down?  Who would have thunk?

Thing is SV, as we don't know illness affects him, you could be right you could be wrong, it's probably just best not to comment rather than potentially looking ignorant.

If he wasn't such a deliberately controversial character I'd agree with you. But as we all know, Stan loves nothing more than media exposure. I haven't said he's not mentally ill, I haven't said mental illness doesn't exist. All I've said is that Stan sometimes uses his illness to increase his media exposure when it suits.

And you definitely know this or have proof other than anecdotal evidence?

Do I need it? It's a discussion forum not a court of law.

No but your implication is he does based on nothing more than anecdotal evidence which incidentally you still haven't produced. I'm no lover of SVC but before you kick the man when he's down how about justifying your comments. I follow SVC on Twitter and haven't once seen him play the mental illness card in his "sacking" from Talksport.


So which would have happened:

1)
So had the contract not been withdrawn he'd have quit due to talksport putting his mental health at risk by overloading him

2)
He'd have signed the contract and there would have been no mention of talksport putting his mental health at risk.

I reckon it'd be option 2 and before you say I have no knowledge of mental health issues I have suffered with depression,  if my work was doing what SVC says talksport did I'd have left immediately as staying with an employer that does that is idiotic.

This is not me doubting SVC having depression it me doubting what he is saying about talksport, it's just a convenient stick in which for him to beat them with that gets him media attention IMHO.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 19, 2016, 11:06:26 PM
"Putting my mental health on the line because of the sheer volume of games I covered, travelling all over the country and getting involved in arguments and debates as you do as a passionate football broadcaster."

So what? Jesus Christ!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2016, 11:16:44 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 20, 2016, 11:38:33 AM
As I said...

You appear to be stating that I need to be better informed on the topic .....Would you like to explain your reasons for that statement and where I am wrong in what I say

When you make a judgment on Stan's mental health (and deem him undeserving of sympathy) based on a comparison of his autobiography with Gazza's, you clearly need to be better informed.  Do you really think that's a sound basis for a fair assessment? Your lack of understanding is clear for all to see.  Your main points seem to be that Gazza has acknowledged his mistakes so deserves sympathy, but Stan hasn't so won't get any until he shows a level of self-loathing and remorse that meets your requirements; and that Stan says whatever suits, he can just turn it on and off like a tap.  So Gazza is "properly" mentally ill and Stan isn't, is that it?  Whether you intended it or not, that is the implication. 

Where are you wrong in what you say?  Only in the words, which betray your ignorance of the topic.  Mental illness comes in many forms and is far too complex and sensitive an area to be treated flippantly.  All you've done is make ignorant comments in support of another poster's ignorant comments.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 20, 2016, 12:30:46 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.

I haven't made sweeping statements. I've made one specific point that I think sometimes SVC used his ill health to raise his media profile. I've not made any other statements regarding mental health in general. I am also a healthcare professional and people manager who has on occasion to manage both staff and patients with mental illness, so I do consider myself to be fairly well informed. And before you pick up on this as a stick to beat me with, I have never had complaints from either my organisation, or individual staff or patients regarding my dealings with them with regards to mental health issues. Quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2016, 12:40:12 PM
This thread is enough to make you go nuts.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2016, 12:53:57 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.

I haven't made sweeping statements. I've made one specific point that I think sometimes SVC used his ill health to raise his media profile. I've not made any other statements regarding mental health in general. I am also a healthcare professional and people manager who has on occasion to manage both staff and patients with mental illness, so I do consider myself to be fairly well informed. And before you pick up on this as a stick to beat me with, I have never had complaints from either my organisation, or individual staff or patients regarding my dealings with them with regards to mental health issues. Quite the opposite in fact.

The already depressed patients must just love it when as you walk by you throw this line at them "Playing the mental illness card again..."
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 20, 2016, 12:59:18 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.

I haven't made sweeping statements. I've made one specific point that I think sometimes SVC used his ill health to raise his media profile. I've not made any other statements regarding mental health in general. I am also a healthcare professional and people manager who has on occasion to manage both staff and patients with mental illness, so I do consider myself to be fairly well informed. And before you pick up on this as a stick to beat me with, I have never had complaints from either my organisation, or individual staff or patients regarding my dealings with them with regards to mental health issues. Quite the opposite in fact.

The already depressed patients must just love it when as you walk by you throw this line at them "Playing the mental illness card again..."

Please re read my last post.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2016, 01:01:36 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.

I haven't made sweeping statements. I've made one specific point that I think sometimes SVC used his ill health to raise his media profile. I've not made any other statements regarding mental health in general. I am also a healthcare professional and people manager who has on occasion to manage both staff and patients with mental illness, so I do consider myself to be fairly well informed. And before you pick up on this as a stick to beat me with, I have never had complaints from either my organisation, or individual staff or patients regarding my dealings with them with regards to mental health issues. Quite the opposite in fact.

The already depressed patients must just love it when as you walk by you throw this line at them "Playing the mental illness card again..."

Indeed. It seems Nurse Ratched is alive and well.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2016, 01:02:11 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.

I haven't made sweeping statements. I've made one specific point that I think sometimes SVC used his ill health to raise his media profile. I've not made any other statements regarding mental health in general. I am also a healthcare professional and people manager who has on occasion to manage both staff and patients with mental illness, so I do consider myself to be fairly well informed. And before you pick up on this as a stick to beat me with, I have never had complaints from either my organisation, or individual staff or patients regarding my dealings with them with regards to mental health issues. Quite the opposite in fact.

The already depressed patients must just love it when as you walk by you throw this line at them "Playing the mental illness card again..."

Please re read my last post.

I think he has, or how would he know about the depressed patients?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2016, 01:04:09 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.

I haven't made sweeping statements. I've made one specific point that I think sometimes SVC used his ill health to raise his media profile. I've not made any other statements regarding mental health in general. I am also a healthcare professional and people manager who has on occasion to manage both staff and patients with mental illness, so I do consider myself to be fairly well informed. And before you pick up on this as a stick to beat me with, I have never had complaints from either my organisation, or individual staff or patients regarding my dealings with them with regards to mental health issues. Quite the opposite in fact.

The already depressed patients must just love it when as you walk by you throw this line at them "Playing the mental illness card again..."

They pretend to be better so he doesn't have a go at them.

"Much better today thanks, not playing any cards".
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: malckennedy on July 20, 2016, 01:16:04 PM
SV have ever considered the immense good Stan has done by shedding light on subject that many people don't understand but is very real in the lives of thousands across the world? It's incredibly insensitive and ignorant on your part to make sweeping statements on a topic you clearly know very little about.

I haven't made sweeping statements. I've made one specific point that I think sometimes SVC used his ill health to raise his media profile. I've not made any other statements regarding mental health in general. I am also a healthcare professional and people manager who has on occasion to manage both staff and patients with mental illness, so I do consider myself to be fairly well informed. And before you pick up on this as a stick to beat me with, I have never had complaints from either my organisation, or individual staff or patients regarding my dealings with them with regards to mental health issues. Quite the opposite in fact.

The already depressed patients must just love it when as you walk by you throw this line at them "Playing the mental illness card again..."

Indeed. It seems Nurse Ratched is alive and well.

Boris Johnson says she's running for the White House!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 24, 2016, 09:02:09 AM
Notes the SUPER LIFELONG VILLA FAN SVC is suggesting that Liverpool should sign Amarvi .....always nice when your supporters are trying to move the better players on .....Oh sorry forgot this is Mr Ego himself
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2016, 09:07:05 AM
You read like someone with an axe to grind.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 10:12:47 AM
Notes the SUPER LIFELONG VILLA FAN SVC is suggesting that Liverpool should sign Amarvi .....always nice when your supporters are trying to move the better players on .....Oh sorry forgot this is Mr Ego himself

Someone asked him on twitter if Amavi would be a good fit for Liverpool and he said yes. What's the problem?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 10:14:51 AM
You read like someone with an axe to grind.

I think the word is 'obsessed'.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 24, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
SVC is simply a total and utter TWAT who thinks he is Gods gift when intact he is a THUG  - and all of that is factual
He took OUR Club for a total ride 1
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 10:42:47 AM
SVC is simply a total and utter TWAT who thinks he is Gods gift when intact he is a THUG  - and all of that is factual
He took OUR Club for a total ride 1

It's not factual at all, it's your opinion.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 24, 2016, 11:02:38 AM
SVC is simply a total and utter TWAT who thinks he is Gods gift when intact he is a THUG  - and all of that is factual
He took OUR Club for a total ride 1

It's not factual at all, it's your opinion.

So which part is not factual ....
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 11:06:10 AM
SVC is simply a total and utter TWAT who thinks he is Gods gift when intact he is a THUG  - and all of that is factual
He took OUR Club for a total ride 1

It's not factual at all, it's your opinion.

So which part is not factual ....

All of it, it's all your opinion. You might think he's a twat, but other people might not. That's not fact, that's difference of opinion.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 24, 2016, 11:19:28 AM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 11:25:49 AM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT

In your opinion and i'm sure others. Shall we leave it at that?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stu on July 24, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
FACT
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: MonsXI on July 24, 2016, 11:51:41 AM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT

I haven't done algebra but i think the calculations are out.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT

I haven't done algebra but i think the calculations are out.

To think Einstein died before working it out.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: in exile on July 24, 2016, 03:00:49 PM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT

FFS, let it go - it's boring
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: itbrvilla on July 24, 2016, 03:10:56 PM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT
It's a FACT that it's your opinion.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: stuart445 on July 24, 2016, 06:20:17 PM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT
It's a FACT that it's your opinion.

Do people actually think he was awesome in a Villa shirt???

The FACT is when he wore a Villa shirt is actions weren't that of a person that is playing for his boyhood club (as he repeats over and over).  If you ignore his history changing then you'll see the fact he performance levels were identical of the Villa team last season, that's right the team he's slammed with comments about his performance were bad but still helped the club play in Europe, but ignores the FACT it was nothing to do with him it was just the team he played in was good enough to carry him as a passenger.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 24, 2016, 07:50:08 PM
I think he has several times said that he was a flop for Villa.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 07:53:20 PM
THUG - total fact ..proven
TOOK CLUB FOR RIDE - fact

Add the two together = TWAT
It's a FACT that it's your opinion.

Do people actually think he was awesome in a Villa shirt???


I don't think anyone has said that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2016, 08:36:48 PM
You're right - no-one in the world could say that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 08:39:11 PM
I think he has several times said that he was a flop for Villa.

He has. He feels given the huge opportunity he let us down and himself down. And he considers it a major regret in his career.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: four fornicholl on July 24, 2016, 08:42:15 PM
You're right - no-one in the world could say that.
I'm not so sure, when he got that goal against Atletico my mrs nearly ,or maybe did, piss her pants
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
He was arguably one of the most complete centre forwards of his generation.
He had everything (physical attributes) 2footed, quick, vision,decent in the air.
The season he scored over 30 goals for A relegated Forest team showed what potential he had.
He must have huge regrets that he could not use all of that talent he had for the team he supported since a boy.
I just see Stan as a great shame and despite everything feel a bit sorry for him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 24, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 24, 2016, 10:34:12 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 24, 2016, 10:38:47 PM
I love the media, who else can we hang out to dry.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 24, 2016, 10:45:31 PM
Don't start feeling sorry for Collymore, he has made  enough money out of the game to simply sit there and doss the rest of his life in comfort. 

If you or me had put in the same level of performance on and off the pitch as he has achieved and shown, we would have been out of the door, living in a cardboard box  made on behalf of Aldi.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2016, 10:47:32 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 10:50:31 PM
Don't start feeling sorry for Collymore, he has made  enough money out of the game to simply sit there and doss the rest of his life in comfort. 

If you or me had put in the same level of performance on and off the pitch as he has achieved and shown, we would have been out of the door, living in a cardboard box  made on behalf of Aldi.

What a complete load of bollocks. You can disagree with his views or simply not like him but to suggest for one second he hasn't put in the work or dismiss that he hasn't achieved anything inside or outside the game is utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 24, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 24, 2016, 11:03:37 PM
He said on his show that it was a slap and was exaggerated by the media
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 11:08:32 PM
He was completely wrong for what he did. No two ways about it. But for how long is that going held against him? Gazza is a great contrasting example who has had so many indiscretions by comparison yet is revered by the media. I do wonder if Villa fans who continue to criticize him  for that him would do so if he had a better career with us? Or would it be conveniently segregated from the discussion about his place in the clubs history?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 24, 2016, 11:16:09 PM
Conversely I'm consistently amazed by the lengths people will go to on this site to defend him just because he once wore a claret and blue shirt. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 11:18:43 PM
Conversely I'm consistently amazed by the lengths people will go to on this site to defend him just because he once wore a claret and blue shirt. 

I've yet to see anyone defend his actions entirely. It all comes with caveats. Some people like him on the radio but nobody says he's the best at it or that they agree with everything he says. Some people found him a very good player but most would say he never performed to that level with us. And nobody has ever defended his actions with Ulrika. Nobody.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2016, 11:23:25 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.



Wrong course, proves how little you know.  I am not defending him either. I deal with domestic violence every day in my job and it is not a one way street. 
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 24, 2016, 11:27:32 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.



Wrong course, proves how little you know.  I am not defending him either. I deal with domestic violence every day in my job and it is not a one way street.

It certainly was in the course when I did it, so it shows how little you know my friend.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 24, 2016, 11:29:22 PM
If you two want to argue about who knows more about the subject do it either privately or somewhere else.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2016, 07:22:19 AM
Conversely I'm consistently amazed by the lengths people will go to on this site to defend him just because he once wore a claret and blue shirt. 

I've yet to see anyone defend his actions entirely. It all comes with caveats. Some people like him on the radio but nobody says he's the best at it or that they agree with everything he says. Some people found him a very good player but most would say he never performed to that level with us. And nobody has ever defended his actions with Ulrika. Nobody.

That's where I am as well. I didn't like what I read of his book very much and I don't always agree with what he says on twitter and if he'd have put more effort into his playing career, he could have been one of the best strikers in Europe, on his day he was that good. The incident with Ulrika should never have happened and shouldn't be condoned but while once was enough, he's not gone on to make a habit of it, to my knowledge anyway. I did like him on Talksport though and he's a lot more bearable than some broadcasters. There's more people worthy of hate than him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 25, 2016, 01:32:07 PM
I wish he'd slapped Alan Brazil a few times round the face when he was at Talk Sport.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2016, 03:54:03 PM
Open season on 90% of Talk Sport pundits as far as I'm concerned especially the scouse former Coventry City Bob Carolgees lookalike.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mike on July 25, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.



Wrong course, proves how little you know.  I am not defending him either. I deal with domestic violence every day in my job and it is not a one way street. 

Quite right, often the stupid bird is asking for a good slap. I mean a man can only take so much.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 25, 2016, 04:06:13 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.



Wrong course, proves how little you know.  I am not defending him either. I deal with domestic violence every day in my job and it is not a one way street. 

Quite right, often the stupid bird is asking for a good slap. I mean a man can only take so much.

Disgraceful remark !!!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mike on July 25, 2016, 04:06:39 PM
So to amalgamate the political correctness issues within this thread, it seems Stan has used the depression card to get people to forget he gave a bit of a slap to a bird who was probably asking for it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mike on July 25, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.



Wrong course, proves how little you know.  I am not defending him either. I deal with domestic violence every day in my job and it is not a one way street. 

Quite right, often the stupid bird is asking for a good slap. I mean a man can only take so much.

Disgraceful remark !!!

Buy a dictionary, go to the words beginning with I, towards the end you will find irony. I am a card carrying feminist who has worked with victims of abuse for many years. There is no excuse to hit your partner and it is wrong to minimise it  by saying it was just a slap.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 25, 2016, 04:12:11 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.



Wrong course, proves how little you know.  I am not defending him either. I deal with domestic violence every day in my job and it is not a one way street. 

Quite right, often the stupid bird is asking for a good slap. I mean a man can only take so much.

Disgraceful remark !!!

Buy a dictionary, go to the words beginning with I, towards the end you will find irony. I am a card carrying feminist who has worked with victims of abuse for many years. There is no excuse to hit your partner and it is wrong to minimise it  by saying it was just a slap.

Thats not how the post read ....but at least you have clarified
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mike on July 25, 2016, 04:18:19 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

It is called 'social construction'.  Put a picture on the front of a newspaper and many of those who read it, believe it word for word. He hit her, unforgivable, but there are two sides to a story. You weren't there, neither was I, but you have such a vivid sense of blame when you do not know the whole story.

It's called battery. With or without condescending year 1 Open University Humanities subject matter.



Wrong course, proves how little you know.  I am not defending him either. I deal with domestic violence every day in my job and it is not a one way street. 

Quite right, often the stupid bird is asking for a good slap. I mean a man can only take so much.

Disgraceful remark !!!

Buy a dictionary, go to the words beginning with I, towards the end you will find irony. I am a card carrying feminist who has worked with victims of abuse for many years. There is no excuse to hit your partner and it is wrong to minimise it  by saying it was just a slap.

Thats not how the post read ....but at least you have clarified

I don't think there are many people, even if they are stupid enough to hold the view I was parodying, who would be stupid enough to actually say it on a forum as civilised as this one. Are you related to Father Stone? Joke!!!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mattjpa on July 25, 2016, 04:27:57 PM
Jesus, we really need some transfer action. I thought there must have been something happening here judging by the amount of posts, but no, Stan slapped his bird again....yawn.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 25, 2016, 05:00:30 PM
Jesus, we really need some transfer action. I thought there must have been something happening here judging by the amount of posts, but no, Stan slapped his bird again....yawn.
not again, it's the same slap, apparently.
There has also been a sense of humour fail, apparently.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2016, 05:19:03 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness but be caused by his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke hitting some women, is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 25, 2016, 05:24:44 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.
why didn't he twat Ally McCoist?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2016, 05:29:15 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.
why didn't he twat Ally McCoist?

because the anger or rage isn't necessarily directed with forethought anywhere. It's the rage that comes first and the inability to cope with it that comes second. third comes lashing out at the first person who provokes that rage, even if they aren't aware of it. It's a mental issue so you cannot apply logic and rationale to it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 25, 2016, 05:36:15 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.
why didn't he twat Ally McCoist?

because the anger or rage isn't necessarily directed with forethought anywhere. It's the rage that comes first and the inability to cope with it that comes second. third comes lashing out at the first person who provokes that rage, even if they aren't aware of it. It's a mental issue so you cannot apply logic and rationale to it.
Thanks Peter, it just seems like a missed opportunity. :) ;)
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2016, 05:37:16 PM
Well there is that.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 25, 2016, 06:14:49 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

That last paragraph doesn't even make any sense.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 25, 2016, 06:26:07 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

Christ I'm going to have to lie down, I'm agreeing with peter w.

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: johnny from donny on July 25, 2016, 06:35:53 PM


That last paragraph doesn't even make any sense.

It makes perfect sense, whether you agree with it is up to the individual .
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 25, 2016, 07:15:16 PM
Just one more point and I promise I'll not comment on this thread again. How do you shoehorn into your mitigation the fact that Stan was drinking at the time of the incident?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2016, 09:01:19 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

Christ I'm going to have to lie down, I'm agreeing with peter w.



Okore's a wanker.


May as well throw it in.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2016, 09:04:25 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness but be caused by his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke hitting some woman, is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

That last paragraph doesn't even make any sense.

Probably does now.

Unlike your stance on this.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2016, 09:08:20 PM
Just one more point and I promise I'll not comment on this thread again. How do you shoehorn into your mitigation the fact that Stan was drinking at the time of the incident?

It has no bearing on it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 25, 2016, 11:28:47 PM
I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 25, 2016, 11:30:09 PM
I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

Christ I'm going to have to lie down, I'm agreeing with peter w.



Okore's a wanker.


May as well throw it in.

So are people who still believe in the blessed St Eric of Blackness. Purveyor of bullshit and bollocks to anyone who'll listen. ;)
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2016, 06:28:48 AM
I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 26, 2016, 07:47:58 AM
I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.

Are you being serious?

Excess alcohol has nothing to do with violent massive over reaction!

Nothing at all?

Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: sickbeggar on July 26, 2016, 08:56:37 AM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:33:20 AM
I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.

Are you being serious?

Excess alcohol has nothing to do with violent massive over reaction!

Nothing at all?



That's a different question. I'm talking about a depressive's state of mind. it's very rare that if they are having an episode that is making them feel vulnerable they are in any position to drink copious amounts of alcohol surrounded by people. When they get home then they will drink more for comfort, to punish themselves whatever. But no, it is highly unlikely that in Collymore's case that excessive alcohol contributed to his violent reaction.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 26, 2016, 10:48:38 AM


I think every landlord in the country would disagree.

Even small amounts of alcohol always play a part.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2016, 11:22:38 AM
Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 26, 2016, 12:30:05 PM
Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.


So their years of experience of human behaviour counts for nothing?

Are you being serious?


Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 26, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
Just one more point and I promise I'll not comment on this thread again. How do you shoehorn into your mitigation the fact that Stan was drinking at the time of the incident?

It has no bearing on it.

Rubbish. And you know it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 26, 2016, 05:15:16 PM
I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.

Are you being serious?

Excess alcohol has nothing to do with violent massive over reaction!

Nothing at all?



That's a different question. I'm talking about a depressive's state of mind. it's very rare that if they are having an episode that is making them feel vulnerable they are in any position to drink copious amounts of alcohol surrounded by people. When they get home then they will drink more for comfort, to punish themselves whatever. But no, it is highly unlikely that in Collymore's case that excessive alcohol contributed to his violent reaction.

I was beginning to think you might know what you're talking about for a minute...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 26, 2016, 05:50:02 PM
Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.
Come on, you know as well as I do "that I heard it from a bloke down the pub" is gospel and can not be challenged.
So a landlord that is in the pub all the time must be, the font of all knowledge.
Cheers!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 26, 2016, 05:53:47 PM
Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.
Come on, you know as well as I do "that I heard it from a bloke down the pub" is gospel and can not be challenged.
So a landlord that is in the pub all the time must be, the font of all knowledge.
Cheers!

That's so obviously bollocks.

I've got a wife and a teenager that both claim they know more than Google.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 26, 2016, 05:57:50 PM
Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.
Come on, you know as well as I do "that I heard it from a bloke down the pub" is gospel and can not be challenged.
So a landlord that is in the pub all the time must be, the font of all knowledge.
Cheers!

That's so obviously bollocks.

I've got a wife and a teenager that both claim they know more than Google.
is google a landlord ? If so definitely bollocks.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 06:01:34 AM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.

Depends on the level of their depression. As I said it will range from a mild irritability to a full on rage that is nigh on impossible to control. It is the illness that is in control and not the individual.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: itbrvilla on July 27, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.
It definitely can be for sure. I've seen it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: sickbeggar on July 28, 2016, 08:43:01 PM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.

Depends on the level of their depression. As I said it will range from a mild irritability to a full on rage that is nigh on impossible to control. It is the illness that is in control and not the individual.

Don't agree. I have a friend on full strength meds and they're not aggressive, before or after the meds. Likewise others i know who suffered from it. A lot of people remain nice and pleasant albeit fragile individuals and the only people they beat up is themselves mentally. You wouldn't say a person is nice because the depression controls them, so likewise i think claiming it controls all people who behave badly is a bit of a stretch. Personally i don't think SVC's problems have much to do with his depression but more the equally common condition of being a sociopath. He certainly ticks a lot of the boxes
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2016, 09:22:32 PM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.

Depends on the level of their depression. As I said it will range from a mild irritability to a full on rage that is nigh on impossible to control. It is the illness that is in control and not the individual.

That is such a simplistic thing to say. Lots of people are monumentally depressed and entirely non violent.

Randomly violently attacking people is behaviour which sometimes - sometimes - mentally ill people engage in. Depression is a mental illness. You can't just lazily link the two like you have.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 29, 2016, 12:03:05 AM
Why does collymore never really mention he played for Leicester ! As they win the league thought he may have said more is it coz of his forest love.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2016, 12:06:27 AM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.

Depends on the level of their depression. As I said it will range from a mild irritability to a full on rage that is nigh on impossible to control. It is the illness that is in control and not the individual.

That is such a simplistic thing to say. Lots of people are monumentally depressed and entirely non violent.

Randomly violently attacking people is behaviour which sometimes - sometimes - mentally ill people engage in. Depression is a mental illness. You can't just lazily link the two like you have.

That's missing my point. The sufferer doesn't need to become violent; that impulse may show itself as being mild irritability. The catalyst is the inability to deal with whatever it is that has triggered that part of their condition and the inability to control it. For some it may become a violent outburst for others it won't. Not all sufferers have the same level of depression or symptoms that make up their depression.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Tuscans on July 31, 2016, 01:54:01 AM
Why does collymore never really mention he played for Leicester ! As they win the league thought he may have said more is it coz of his forest love.
I heard him on Talksport bring up Leicester on many occasions if MON was ever mentioned during conversation. But with Villa being relegated in the same season as Leicester winning it has probably dampened any chit chat about the glorious 11 games he had there.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2016, 09:03:04 AM
Why does collymore never really mention he played for Leicester ! As they win the league thought he may have said more is it coz of his forest love.
I heard him on Talksport bring up Leicester on many occasions if MON was ever mentioned during conversation. But with Villa being relegated in the same season as Leicester winning it has probably dampened any chit chat about the glorious 11 games he had there.

Ok. Good point
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Witton Warrior on July 31, 2016, 05:39:17 PM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.

Depends on the level of their depression. As I said it will range from a mild irritability to a full on rage that is nigh on impossible to control. It is the illness that is in control and not the individual.

That is such a simplistic thing to say. Lots of people are monumentally depressed and entirely non violent.

Randomly violently attacking people is behaviour which sometimes - sometimes - mentally ill people engage in. Depression is a mental illness. You can't just lazily link the two like you have.

That's missing my point. The sufferer doesn't need to become violent; that impulse may show itself as being mild irritability. The catalyst is the inability to deal with whatever it is that has triggered that part of their condition and the inability to control it. For some it may become a violent outburst for others it won't. Not all sufferers have the same level of depression or symptoms that make up their depression.

If you want the stats then people experiencing mental health problems are twice as likely to experience violence against them than the general public - if you look at young men under 25 it id four times more likely. So if you have depression it is you that gets the kicking...
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 31, 2016, 08:17:46 PM
Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.

Depends on the level of their depression. As I said it will range from a mild irritability to a full on rage that is nigh on impossible to control. It is the illness that is in control and not the individual.

That is such a simplistic thing to say. Lots of people are monumentally depressed and entirely non violent.

Randomly violently attacking people is behaviour which sometimes - sometimes - mentally ill people engage in. Depression is a mental illness. You can't just lazily link the two like you have.

That's missing my point. The sufferer doesn't need to become violent; that impulse may show itself as being mild irritability. The catalyst is the inability to deal with whatever it is that has triggered that part of their condition and the inability to control it. For some it may become a violent outburst for others it won't. Not all sufferers have the same level of depression or symptoms that make up their depression.

If you want the stats then people experiencing mental health problems are twice as likely to experience violence against them than the general public - if you look at young men under 25 it id four times more likely. So if you have depression it is you that gets the kicking...

Yeah Victor is obviously a wanton thug, and is up before the beak every month,

sorry but Stan lashed out at a woman and yes not really the thing to do. But if all these arguments go back to that, then I think the accusers need to do a bit more digging to discredit him.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 31, 2016, 08:22:14 PM
All I know is that Stanley Victor Collymore does not warrant 50 odd pages of our interest.

Whatever his issues, likes/dislikes he remains a self publicist and an annoying one at that. 

Saying that the Baggies so called celebs are no better and probably even more annoying.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 11, 2017, 11:56:55 PM
Stan has had a go at the Doctor on Twitter tonight then apologised.  Of course The Meaning Evil are all over it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 11, 2017, 11:59:15 PM
"Anyone can spend para payments in an excited orgy of naivety. Lets see the real colour of the money in summer. When nobody wants to come.

Hope theres a lesson for a few people at AVFC Less naivety, less “we are good on paper”, less bull****, less tweeting. Absolute garbage."
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 12, 2017, 12:03:20 AM
The criticism was noted by the owner who thanked Collymore for his enthusiasm and offers of help, but stated that he didn't feel that would be the right way forward.

" StanCollymore very much appreciated all the time your enthusiasm2help even4free.Sorry I couldn't think it would be a panacea. StanTogether!"

Collymore later apologised for his 'rant', the Dr then deleted his tweet.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 12, 2017, 01:00:13 AM
"Anyone can spend para payments in an excited orgy of naivety. Lets see the real colour of the money in summer. When nobody wants to come.

Hope theres a lesson for a few people at AVFC Less naivety, less “we are good on paper”, less bull****, less tweeting. Absolute garbage."

I don't think Stan is in any position to lecture anyone on 'less bull****, less tweeting.'
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 12, 2017, 03:34:11 AM
Anyway I thought he had now  reinvented himself  as a Forest fan.  First Wolves so we are told  then  the Villa and now Forest - whatever next Blues?
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Leicester_Villian on February 12, 2017, 02:54:52 PM
It was only last week he wanted to become a "mentor" to Saido... poor lad
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 12, 2017, 07:26:12 PM
It was only last week he wanted to become a "mentor" to Saido... poor lad

Jesus christ i bet he is out buying an os map of the chase and an industrial sized tub of swarfega
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: mr underhill on February 12, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
yes the deer are really going to suffer soon
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 05, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
He's posted on twitter apologising for pulling out of a Q and A event as he's in a bad way and getting worse by the week. Spending 18 hours in bed apparently.  Hope he comes through it.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on March 05, 2017, 02:23:23 PM
Whatever you think of him, he's clearly not well and I wish him every success in battling his illness.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: itbrvilla on March 05, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
It was only last week he wanted to become a "mentor" to Saido... poor lad

Jesus christ i bet he is out buying an os map of the chase and an industrial sized tub of swarfega

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Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Nastylee on March 05, 2017, 04:42:51 PM
Given some of his Twitter rows in the last few months it was clear his mental state was not right. All that arguing with fans over Forest a month ago and offering to meet people to sort it out is hardly normal behaviour. Not that surprising really. He'll be forever troubled.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Smirker on March 05, 2017, 07:37:34 PM
Whatever you think of him, he's clearly not well and I wish him every success in battling his illness.

This.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: AV5nobs on March 05, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
Full wishes to Stan....anyone who believes mental Heath excludes wealthy stroke famous people are imbeciles.

UTV
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2017, 09:16:23 PM
Full wishes to Stan....anyone who believes mental Heath excludes wealthy stroke famous people are imbeciles.

UTV


Hear hear. Good luck, Stan.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Hairbandinho on March 05, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
Hope he gets the support to become better.

Having money and fame doesn't exclude you from such issues. He probably should stay off twatter until he is better.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 10, 2021, 11:45:35 PM
Stan Collymore has offered to work for free to help Southend

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58862741
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: sickbeggar on October 11, 2021, 08:52:14 AM
Yes.....I think many people would suggest Southend have suffered enough.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 11, 2021, 02:13:31 PM
Poor Southend
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 11, 2021, 02:19:01 PM
I like Collymore. He was terrible for us and has obviously done some horrendous things, but he seems to have learned the lessons and is an articulate pundit. What a player he was when he was at it too.

I'm not sure what he can do for Southend though.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 02:36:13 PM
I like Collymore. He was terrible for us and has obviously done some horrendous things, but he seems to have learned the lessons and is an articulate pundit. What a player he was when he was at it too.

I'm not sure what he can do for Southend though.

I disagree with Sexual Ealing. I think he comes across as an arrogant, boorish twat, way too fond of his own opinion and not prepared to listen to anybody else.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2021, 02:42:07 PM
I like Collymore. He was terrible for us and has obviously done some horrendous things, but he seems to have learned the lessons and is an articulate pundit. What a player he was when he was at it too.

I'm not sure what he can do for Southend though.

I disagree with Sexual Ealing. I think he comes across as an arrogant, boorish twat, way too fond of his own opinion and not prepared to listen to anybody else.

That does not sound at all like SE, who is a charming fellow.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on October 11, 2021, 02:44:51 PM
I like Collymore. He was terrible for us and has obviously done some horrendous things, but he seems to have learned the lessons and is an articulate pundit. What a player he was when he was at it too.

I'm not sure what he can do for Southend though.

I disagree with Sexual Ealing. I think he comes across as an arrogant, boorish twat, way too fond of his own opinion and not prepared to listen to anybody else.

Bit harsh, I quite like some of his posts.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 03:50:28 PM
I quite like Collymore though. Here all week, b’dum tish etc.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 11, 2021, 04:15:45 PM
I thought you were describing yourself Martin!  Only kidding.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 04:56:27 PM
I thought you were describing yourself Martin!  Only kidding.

Walked into that didn’t I?!
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 11, 2021, 06:48:59 PM
I like Collymore. He was terrible for us and has obviously done some horrendous things, but he seems to have learned the lessons and is an articulate pundit. What a player he was when he was at it too.

I'm not sure what he can do for Southend though.

I disagree with Sexual Ealing. I think he comes across as an arrogant, boorish twat, way too fond of his own opinion and not prepared to listen to anybody else.

That does not sound at all like SE, who is a charming fellow.
hmmm
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 11, 2021, 07:11:25 PM
Careful, CL, I'm very sensitive to criticism and, like you, I have Interpol on speed dial.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 11, 2021, 07:38:14 PM
I think you might find this number more useful 926537
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 07:42:18 PM
Careful, CL, I'm very sensitive to criticism and, like you, I have Interpol on speed dial.

I thought you were on speed and Interpol were after you.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Damo70 on October 11, 2021, 07:54:17 PM
I always felt that Collymore was a Jekyll and Hyde character. Quite thoughtful and intelligent on one hand but
clearly had some issues on the other hand.
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Demitri_C on October 11, 2021, 09:43:30 PM
I have no issues with stan.  I think he is a really good pundit. Use to like his calls on talksite
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: Pete3206 on October 11, 2021, 09:55:09 PM
Once lit a cigar with a 50 sheet note.* Etc etc.

*so a man in a spoons told me
Title: Re: Stanley Victor Collymore
Post by: robbo1874 on October 12, 2021, 04:49:47 PM
Was it the landlord?
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