Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: IGS on January 03, 2016, 09:41:59 AM
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This is my first ever time in a forum as i just can't take anymore !! Every game i hope to see the villa turn a corner but alas - no joy!
Can anyone please explain any of the below?
- why did it take so long to get rid of lambert??? surely (and i thought it at the time), he should have gone after the debacle against Bradford in the cup. it was a joke we couldnt beat them over two legs !!!! he should have gone then. if he had, the next manager would have still had the opportunity to build a squad around the likes of benteke, delph, vlaar, given etc.
- why can't we compete with teams such as southampton, crystal palace, watford, west ham, sunderland, swansea etc? all teams we would have beaten in the past more often than not.
- why do we think we can sell all of our better players over the last 5 years and still compete in (arguably) the best league in the world?
- why, over the last few years, are we buying players none of us of ever heard of?
- why is guzan still in goal?? surely bunn or steer would be worth a go?
- why doesnt Traore start each game?? possibly our one player who has some real quality?
- shouldnt we have looked to get a few players in on loan during the summer who have some premier league experience?
- why have we let a good young talent leave the villa ? albrighton, gardner, davis, cahill etc etc etc
I am afraid randy has to take the blame for everything as he is the owner of the club and for me, he has placed incompetent people in place to run the club. whilst it was great at the start that he pumped a load of money in to the club, we are now in total freefall and one of the worst teams the premier league has ever seen. its embarrassing that in 2015 - the once mighty villa hav the worst playing record than every team in the four english divisions - just marginally worse than Yeovil Town !!! surely randy must realise that on his watch, he (along with the managers he has appointed) managed to pull together the worst set of players the club has ever had.
I agree with stan collymore -
- randy needs to get the club sold now !!!!
- all the players should be up for sale possibly apart from some of our younger players e.g. grealish, traore
- sack all the staff apart from sid, academy director and mcdonald
villa need to start again - not sure who the manager should be next season but i think he should be british as the championship is a diferent cup of tea to the premiership and historically, foreign managers have nopt done so well in the championship. maybe Redknapp? venables? hoddle? ie an experienced manager, not one who is cheap.
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Good first post.
Which I could be bothered to write that much.
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Easy answer Doug sold us to a fuckwit.
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From what ive heard on here the academy isn't in particularly good state.
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Great post but I am sure this is being discussed else where on this forum in abundance.
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As one of the ever present teams from the start of the premiership, we have had enough money from Sky, that we should never have found ourselves in this shit.
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As one of the ever present teams from the start of the premiership, we have had enough money from Sky, that we should never have found ourselves in this shit.
Randys fall out with MON has been more costly than his marriage break up.
It's left him bitter and desperate to to go it alone - it was this shear bloody mindedness that inflicted Mcleish on us.
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Questionable managerial appointments from GH onwards, losing umpteen quality players to the likes of Citeh didn't help (count 'em) replacing them with vastly inferior players when we were vulnerable after we lost so many last season left an already inadequate squad totally devoid of talent - the result was and is sadly inevitable.
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As one of the ever present teams from the start of the premiership, we have had enough money from Sky, that we should never have found ourselves in this shit.
Given our in-built advantages it truly took a mind blowing level of incompetence to turn us into one of those absolute no-hoper teams that crop up about every five years or so.
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This post is re-iterating many other posters comments. The only point I'd raise is why keep Sis, McDonald and the academy director, they have not delivered much in the way of any quality in recent seasons, although they may be good enough for the Championship and lower if our current form continues next year.
Also we all have our opinions, but really, Venables, Redknapp, Hoddle, it's a no thanks from me.
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Sis of Top Cat?
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Sis of Top Cat?
Typo, but probably could do a better job than what's at BH currently. :D
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We're not the only club owned by someone who arrived knowing nothing about football - the game itself I mean. But where Randy and others have failed is in not getting real football knowledge on board from the off.
We've ended up with people in key football positions being appointed who just aren't up to the required level and the football side of the club has been destroyed as a result.
Knowing some of the individuals now working for the younger end of the academy I have serious worries about that too.
My one hope for our club is actually the current manager, once he gets chance to look beyond the first team and it's problems. My fear is that first team results will bring on that much fan pressure between now and the summer that the plonkers in charge will bow to it and go for another change.
Something that gets overlooked about Graham Taylor's appointment in 1987 is that he immediately identified what a poor state the club was also in beyond the first team and was given the power to address that.
I don't think we're yet in such a bad state it was then, but we are heading there unless someone with Taylor's intelligence and football knowledge is trusted enough to be given the power Taylor had. As I've said, I believe that person is now at the club, and has undoubtedly realised by now what a bag of shit he's taken on.
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As one of the ever present teams from the start of the premiership, we have had enough money from Sky, that we should never have found ourselves in this shit.
Given our in-built advantages it truly took a mind blowing level of incompetence to turn us into one of those absolute no-hoper teams that crop up about every five years or so.
Those no-hoper side are normally new to the Premier League, rather than having been in the top flight for almost thirty years.
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A killer combination of arrogance, complacency, apathy and downright stupidity has got us into this unholy mess. Well done, Randy.
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Fair points but I do disagree with the notion Lerner needs to sell up now, thats not within his power. He has been trying to sell for a while now. There are no buyers, just like several other premier league clubs. Nobody wants to buy these failed businesses. Thats hardly his fault. I am just grateful he has not pulled the plug entirely on spending, which he could easily have done and may yet do.
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A combination of bad judgement and bad luck have sunk us.
Post MON there has been a case for each managerial appointment with the exception of AM.
With Randy Stateside there have also been too few people who understood football n positions of administrative responsibility.
I am RG neutral, a decent manager, but not one who you would back to dig you out of a relegation battle o Championship promotion chasing free for all.
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Fair points but I do disagree with the notion Lerner needs to sell up now, thats not within his power. He has been trying to sell for a while now. There are no buyers, just like several other premier league clubs. Nobody wants to buy these failed businesses. Thats hardly his fault. I am just grateful he has not pulled the plug entirely on spending, which he could easily have done and may yet do.
Lerner does need to sell the club now. Problem is the state that he has allowed the club to get into makes it very unlikely that someone will buy it. Forget spending and think about what has been recouped. Huge sums for Benteke, Milner etc plus all the tv money that has poured in.Add that to the crowds that some clubs can only dream of. How on earth do we find ourselves behind West Ham,West Brom, Crystal Palace Southampton etc etc. Mismanagement on a monumental scale.
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It all started in MONs last season - he signed a few good players but also many poor ones, all on outrageous contract terms that put us on the road to financial disaster. Randy didn't understand because he knows nothing about British football so sanctioned it thinking it would be on because we'd get into the CL.
When it didn't and RL said No, MON quit.
Since then it's been rapidly downhill. I blame Randy but he isn't the sole culprit - MON had a big part to play in creating the environment in which we now find ourselves. All the others were just poor appointments with poor mandates.
Would make a great documentary on sporting finance mismanagement and naivety
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We're not the only club owned by someone who arrived knowing nothing about football - the game itself I mean. But where Randy and others have failed is in not getting real football knowledge on board from the off.
We've ended up with people in key football positions being appointed who just aren't up to the required level and the football side of the club has been destroyed as a result.
Knowing some of the individuals now working for the younger end of the academy I have serious worries about that too.
My one hope for our club is actually the current manager, once he gets chance to look beyond the first team and it's problems. My fear is that first team results will bring on that much fan pressure between now and the summer that the plonkers in charge will bow to it and go for another change.
Something that gets overlooked about Graham Taylor's appointment in 1987 is that he immediately identified what a poor state the club was also in beyond the first team and was given the power to address that.
I don't think we're yet in such a bad state it was then, but we are heading there unless someone with Taylor's intelligence and football knowledge is trusted enough to be given the power Taylor had. As I've said, I believe that person is now at the club, and has undoubtedly realised by now what a bag of shit he's taken on.
Spot on.
I remember SGT telling me that we didn't even have ice-packs for treating injuries. They just put plastic cups full of water in the freezer.
He said at the time that many supporters wouldn't want to hear the word "shambles" used in conjunction with Aston Villa but that's exactly what it was.
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I don't see what the problem is. We're selling lots of shirts and making revenue.
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I remember SGT telling me that we didn't even have ice-packs for treating injuries. They just put plastic cups full of water in the freezer.
Was that before or after Steve Harrison got his filthy mitts on them?
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but i think he should be british as the championship is a diferent cup of tea to the premiership and historically, foreign managers have nopt done so well in the championship. maybe Redknapp? venables? hoddle? ie an experienced manager, not one who is cheap.
I think historically, of the number of foreign managers in the Championship, as many have done well as have done badly. And there are plenty of experienced British managers struggling there.
The current top two in the league have foreign coaches (Clement and Karanka), and in recent years, Jokanovic got Watford up and Zola, Poyet and Garcia all got teams into the playoffs. Carvalhal is doing well at Wednesday too.
So I don't think we can write Garde off at that level until he's had a chance to show what he can do there and I think the fact that he has got - albeit unhappy - experience at Premier League level will be handy.
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Clement isn't a foreign coach last time I checked.
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You're absolutely right. I'd just always assumed he was French.
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A killer combination of arrogance, complacency, apathy and downright stupidity has got us into this unholy mess. Well done, Randy.
Bingo!
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Clement isn't a foreign coach last time I checked.
Depends how you pronounce his name.
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A killer combination of arrogance, complacency, apathy and downright stupidity has got us into this unholy mess. Well done, Randy.
Very well put mate. In a nutshell all the points I've being trying to make over dozens of posts and landing myself in numerous arguments. Thanks; )