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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on December 28, 2015, 04:47:07 PM
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We are fucked.
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We are fucked.
yep.
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A boot stamping on a human face - forever.
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It's so unfair, why do they keep make us play with that round thing?
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I'm so sick of being embarrassed by this lot. Even my football hating on laws are using villa a s joke against me
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We are fucked.
Royally.
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Gentlemen I do believe we have relegated ourselves......and before the end of the year!
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
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Just diabolical. I just don't want to see Hutton, Clark, Bacuna and Richardson play again. I've never seen a worse defence at any level, it is truly diabolical. We have no chance now, so it's time to start preparing for the Championship.
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Well I'm 35 and I can honestly say it's the worse in my lifetime off supporting the villa and the worse thing is I can't see it getting any better. Very sad times
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Completely done. Relegated by Christmas. Well done, Mr Lerner.
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Team being booed to shit ! They deserve pelters for the rest of the season !
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A Zombie football club.
Defence = 4 Internationals including 2 who played with the Golden Generation
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Garde even you disappoint me.
You started with a shit line up and we played shit
We are shit
The worse villa team i have witnessed
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I just want this thing over and done with now. The relegation confirmation cannot come soon enough.
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There will be lots of arguing about selections, managers, owner, Flabby's hat, the 86-87 team, Woodhall's clique, Marine A, Nicky Keyes, Fox's hypodiegetic narratives and the number of years one has been a Villa fan. Carry on, I'm off to sink a few. ;-)
We are fucked.
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I genuinely thought we would win today, what an idiot I am. What was that starting line up all about?
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We're going to break the record for least points and least wins in a season.
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Load of old fucking shite.
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Game over it really is , poor result but you watch the team there is nothing there cohesion , skill , working as unit all not there.This was a game we 2 poor looking teams but they took their chances mean while we could barely create a chance.
Embarassing
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Just the worst defence in the history of the club.
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If our next 3 games were kiddy harriers, Worcester City and the red lion reserves we still wouldn't get a point with these fuckin players. Pride costs nothing you useless twats.
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There is a positive to be had here.
At least we can stop any pretence of thinking there is a chance we can stay up.
You know, like winning 10 of the remaining games !!!
The club doesn't deserve to stay up.
Are you watching Lerner? Are you happy Lerner?
Well, fuck you and fuck off!
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Why are 3 of our best players still sat on the bench game after game yet he picks Westwood, Richardson and Gestede?!
I'm usually optimistic but relegation is pretty much a certainty simply because this team haven't got what it takes to win enough games to close the gap. We've got 5 months to get used to accepting our fate and life in the Championship next season.
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Team being booed to shit ! They deserve pelters for the rest of the season !
Lerner deserves yhe most stick!!
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Can we just not play again and give every other team a three point pass.
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Shall I turn the lights out?
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No way back now.
Ah well, it's not like it's some great injustice being as we've been mainly terrible right from the start. I don't expect too much January action now either, the points gap is too much.
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We're going down.
Not only are we going down, but we're doing so without a whimper, in what will be one of those comedic low-point relegations like Sunderland and Derby had.
There just seems to be an air of "couldn't really give a fuck" about us.
The chairman doesn't give a shit.
Half the players look like they don't give a shit - Westwood, Bacuna, for example, players who, were it not for our stupidity, would still be in the shit leagues in which they belong. Kieran Richardson jogging around like he's on a day at the seaside. Fuck me, it annoys me.
I'd suggest the defence look like they don't give a shit, too, but I honestly think they are all - individually and collectively - so fucking thick, they just don't understand what is happening to us.
Look at Clark's face for their second, for example. An expression of bewilderment at seeing someone take advantage of all that lovely space he'd given him.
I wonder if even relegation will wipe the smug look off that Ed Winchester lookalike Tom Fox's face?
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Load of old fucking shite.
That's being extremely generous.
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This team, this club, every inch of it, is a fucking disgrace. They are taking the piss out of us. Fuck off lerner you thick luckless tragicomic waste of space.
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I genuinely thought we would win today, what an idiot I am. What was that starting line up all about?
First time I think Garde has to carry the can. Fucking awful team, and awful display.
Someone offered me 5m for Richards I would bite their hands off. Fucking useless. Him and Hutton and Clark and Richardson. Fucking comedy act. Fuck off Villa. Depressed. :-(
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Poor team selection, equally poor display
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At least my train pass covers Walsall, Coventry and Wolverhampton.
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Easily the worst iteration of Aston Villa I have ever known - not just the team, but the entire club. It has a foul, disgusting stench about it. Anyone who thinks that stink will magically disappear in the Championship will be sorely disappointed. This is now a shithouse of a club and it'll take a lot of Oust and door-wafting before the coast is clear.
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
Yep, this.
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We're going down.
Not only are we going down, but we're doing so without a whimper, in what will be one of those comedic low-point relegations like Sunderland and Derby had.
There just seems to be an air of "couldn't really give a fuck" about us.
The chairman doesn't give a shit.
Half the players look like they don't give a shit - Westwood, Bacuna, for example, players who, were it not for our stupidity, would still be in the shit leagues in which they belong. Kieran Richardson jogging around like he's on a day at the seaside. Fuck me, it annoys me.
I'd suggest the defence look like they don't give a shit, too, but I honestly think they are all - individually and collectively - so fucking thick, they just don't understand what is happening to us.
Look at Clark's face for their second, for example. An expression of bewilderment at seeing someone take advantage of all that lovely space he'd given him.
I wonder if even relegation will wipe the smug look off that Ed Winchester lookalike Tom Fox's face?
Clark is bollocks. Just so disorganised. Fuck him off. Okore and Lescott are street better as a pair than the fucking clowns out there today.
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This team, this club, every inch of it, is a fucking disgrace. They are taking the piss out of us. Fuck off lerner you thick luckless tragicomic waste of space.
Agreed. Everything about that 'display' was unacceptable, from the team selction by that arse Garde to the defending, the shite midfield and the non-existent attack. Pitiful in every way possible.
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Fuck off Garde.
Fuck off every player bar Ayew and Veretout (at a push) today.
And an extra specially large fuck off for Randy.
Piss poor. We're not just going down we're going down as probably the most wretched, gutless, waste of a fucking side the Premiership has ever seen. We're grotesque.
The seasons over for me. I can think of far more enjoyable ways to spend my weekends. I'll start by loading an IPOD full of Justin Bieber motivational speeches and play it on a repetitive loop, whilst watching paint dry and having someone repeatedly punt me in the testes. I can't take this shit anymore. I give up until we get a whole clean sweep of this rotten fucking cesspit.
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Numb
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Garde is another fucking potato, an absolute coward, he's had a free pass since he came in and he bottled it, absolutely no positive signs since he came in, the only thing this club has done consistently over the past few years is pick appauling managers.
8 points, rock bottom, setting wank records by the week and the fuckers are ambling round the pitch with not even the slightest bit of urgency, not a single effort on goal in the second half.
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We were garbage today and deserved to lose. Now can we get over this 'We'll be more solid with Richards back' the guy is shocking.
We know about Clark already. Hutton for me is another major reason why we don't win games, the guy is a buffoon of the highest order.
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We started very well but several players clearly deflated after their first goal. I always worry when Hutton wanders inside too far from the right touchline.
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No way back now.
Ah well, it's not like it's some great injustice being as we've been mainly terrible right from the start. I don't expect too much January action now either, the points gap is too much.
Right from the start of almost each of the last three There is a positive to be had here.
At least we can stop any pretence of thinking there is a chance we can stay up.
You know, like winning 10 of the remaining games !!!
The club doesn't deserve to stay up.
Are you watching Lerner? Are you happy Lerner?
Well, fuck you and fuck off!
I despise that thick c**t, he is the worst thing to have happened to this football club in my 50 years of watching them
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
How can you blame Garde? we have shit players that's the long and short of it, who would you have played? we have players that could not play two games in three days. If you want blame the cretins that bought most of the idiots but don't blame a guy who's trying to make a silk purse etc.
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People criticise Garde for being too defensive but fuck me, looking at the defensive options I'm surprised he picks any attackers at all.
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
Agreed.
The fuckers who started were pretty much the ones who got us into this position.
Bringing them all back in one go was a case of 'business as usual'.
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I think Garde is shit. We know the squad is awful and Lerner is to blame and all that depressing bollocks, but I refuse to believe any manager wouldn't have scraped a backs to the wall one nil win by now. The squad with the exception of Ayew and Veretout don't want to play for him, and defensively he hasn't managed to sort anything. His substitutions come too late and he can't put player combinations together. I also think he's too pigheaded to try anything but the norm.
I wish i'd never said yes to a ticket to the Villa all those years ago. I'd be sitting basking in the glow of a decent day's cricket instead of cracking my teeth in anger.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
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Well I'm 35 and I can honestly say it's the worse in my lifetime off supporting the villa and the worse thing is I can't see it getting any better. Very sad times
The worst Villa team I've ever seen and the worst Villa era of my life, and I've been a regular since '77.
Make no mistake, Randy Lerner is 100% responsible for Aston Villa's decline. 6 years of sabotage has turned us into the laughing stock of a club we see today.
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Can't we just resign from the league and be done with it.
Lerner you may as well give the club away for free. Six years it took you to Fuck it up.
Just like the Cleveland browns. You're a complete failure in the sporting world.
How the hell did you survive in your other businesses?
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Guzan -2
Richards -1
Clarke -2
Hutton -1
Richardson -0
Bacuna -0
Westwood -0
Gana -0
Sinclair - 0 doesn't even come close
Veretout - 3
Ayew - 5
Adama - 5
Gestede - 0
Grealish - 0 (did he even make it over the touchline?!)
Let the fans manage these c##ts till the end of the season, or at the very least pick starting lineups/subs and deal with pre/halftime teamtalks. They need a rocket of international space station proportions up their backsides.
Disgusting. Lack of confidence my fucking arse - You don't need confidence to run your bollocks off and put your body in front of the ball. Every single one of them needs to grow a pair.
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I just want this thing over and done with now. The relegation confirmation cannot come soon enough.
The sooner we all think this way the better
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Relegation is too good for this team. Pathetic.
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We started very well but several players clearly deflated after their first goal. I always worry when Hutton wanders inside too far from the right touchline.
I always worry when I see Hutton coming out of the tunnel and wander across the touchline. He's a total liability
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
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Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield - all within easy travelling distance for me next season.
Maybe Sheffield Utd and Bradford too.
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Well, at least we can relax and "enjoy" the rest of possibly our final Premiership season, no recovering from this, we will go down a shower of shit and will remain a shower of shit, Randy, save your cash in January - it will make no difference whatsoever, stick your "business model" and your shambles of a bunch of tossers Fox, Amistadt and old mother fucking Reilly somewhere painful, thanks for fucking up my football club, the only people who are glad you came are right now high-fiveing their six fingered brethren at St Andrews, before you go, just one question - How the hell did you manage to drag us down to their level?.
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I'd drop half the first team and play the youth. If they even feign an interest I'd take that as an improvement. Getting in a scuffle when you're getting done over for being shite doesn't count as showing an interest. The cynic in me thinks it's actually a cheap way of pretending to give two fucks.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
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Our club is a disgrace
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Randy really is a spoilt rich kid know fuck all about football ******.
Problem is he still own's OUR football club.
For fuck's sake Randy do something/anything to show you
A.Give a fuck.
B.Show us you know a little about football.
C.Prove me wrong.
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Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield - all within easy travelling distance for me next season.
I'm just sad Brighton will probably go up as that would be a great day out!
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Football is cyclical and at some point we'll be good again, but how much does it stick in the craw that players like Bojan and Shaqiri not only play for Stoke but serve up goals like the one scored at Everton today?
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Come back Ellis
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Yep
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Can't we just resign from the league and be done with it.
Lerner you may as well give the club away for free. Six years it took you to Fuck it up.
Just like the Cleveland browns. You're a complete failure in the sporting world.
How the hell did you survive in your other businesses?
He inherited a large fortune. He now has a much smaller one.
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Half a season gone and yet again we've huffed and puffed, not been outclassed but out-smarted which is more important.
Organisation, belief and just a bit of quality is what you need in most PL games and we've been found wanting in almost all of them.
Its tragic to witness, moreso when you see smaller clubs with less resources managing it pretty comfortably.
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What annoys me is that every fucking man jack could see we would lose today, given that comedic team selection
Richardson - Garbage!
Hutton - Garbage!
Westwood - Garbage!
Gana - Garbage!
Bacuna - A disgraceful weasel of a player!
Richards - Captain? Do me a fucking favour!
Guzan - Pathetic goalkeeper!
Only Ayew and Veretout emerge with any sort of redeeming quality in amongst that utter shower of shit. As for Garde, I don't think he can organise, inspire or get anything out of these losers.
RIP Aston Villa
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Today, we were much the better team.
Right up until they scored, and at that very moment, you could see the deflation happen. We just stopped trying, no desire, no drive, no energy, absolutely nothing.
Scoring against us is ridiculously easy, even for shit teams, we're just so fucking feeble. And when it invariably happens, 9 times out of ten, we just stop trying.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
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Sick of an owner who hides from view and hopes our problems will go away.
Sick of an arrogant CEO who brags about how good our commercial department is.
Sick of a gutless and spineless coward of a manager who thinks draws will help us.
Sick of this group of players who stick their thumbs up there arses when they go behind.
In 26 seasons, I've never felt as low and fed up about Aston Villa as I do right now.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
That's still not evidence of anything regarding Moyes, though, is it?
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Don't blame Garde the players are simply not good enough. I doubt any manager could have done much more. Time to prep for next season, they won't spend anything in January as it would be pointless and nobody decent would join. Ship out any of the crap we can and promote som of the youth. Would like to think Riley and Almstadt will fall on their swords sooner rather than later.
Time to give total abuse to the Grim Reaper aka Randolph Lerner for the next 5 months.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
Garde was the cheap option. Lerner is too penny pinching. £9m net spend in the summer says it all. I hope he loses millions with relegation
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Today, we were much the better team.
Right up until they scored, and at that very moment, you could see the deflation happen. We just stopped trying, no desire, no drive, no energy, absolutely nothing.
Scoring against us is ridiculously easy, even for shit teams, we're just so fucking feeble. And when it invariably happens, 9 times out of ten, we just stop trying.
I think they must feel pretty much like we do, namely that there's some sort of celestial conspiracy against them. They've been losing and losing and losing and nothing they try seems to make it any better. That's why losing spirals continue down and down like this.
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That defence isn't even worthy of the name. They're just four blokes who get paid to be moving coathangers.
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Half a season gone and yet again we've huffed and puffed, not been outclassed but out-smarted which is more important.
Organisation, belief and just a bit of quality is what you need in most PL games and we've been found wanting in almost all of them.
Its tragic to witness, moreso when you see smaller clubs with less resources managing it pretty comfortably.
Totally agree. We've had possession and passed it about - quite well at times - but you always know that there's a defensive cock-up just around the corner. Two of them today and a 2-0 defeat - and we can't score.
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Well, at least we can relax and "enjoy" the rest of possibly our final Premiership season, no recovering from this, we will go down a shower of shit and will remain a shower of shit, Randy, save your cash in January - it will make no difference whatsoever, stick your "business model" and your shambles of a bunch of tossers Fox, Amistadt and old mother fucking Reilly somewhere painful, thanks for fucking up my football club, the only people who are glad you came are right now high-fiveing their six fingered brethren at St Andrews, before you go, just one question - How the hell did you manage to drag us down to their level?.
Yep save the money for May. If he bought someone good he would only be sold in the summer. Garde won't survive to manage us in the Championship. However bad a hand he's been dealt, a manager can't survive months of losing with no visible improvement either organisationally or confidence wise. Let the current rabble play out this sorry debacle and then start afresh in the summer. New players, new manager and please god a new owner
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
Garde was the cheap option. Lerner is too penny pinching. £9m net spend in the summer says it all. I hope he loses millions with relegation
How do you know that?
Don't get me wrong, Lerner is a fucking idiot way, way out his depth in premier league football, and his "leadership" is taking us down this season, without a doubt, but some of the stuff on here about people knowing we didn't try to get Moyes / we got Garde because he was cheap is just angrily spouted guessing.
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That defence isn't even worthy of the name. They're just four blokes who get paid to be moving coathangers.
The problem is, if you look at our available defenders, there is not a selection that can be made of four who will be anything like convincing.
They're all shit.
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Don't blame Garde the players are simply not good enough. I doubt any manager could have done much more. Time to prep for next season, they won't spend anything in January as it would be pointless and nobody decent would join. Ship out any of the crap we can and promote som of the youth. Would like to think Riley and Almstadt will fall on their swords sooner rather than later.
Time to give total abuse to the Grim Reaper aka Randolph Lerner for the next 5 months.
So you honestly think Garde picked Villa's strongest 11 today?
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The reason why all this is so fucking disgracefully unforgivable is the alarm bells have been ringing for five years. Five years, and yet still we've yawned and stretched and scratched our heads before languidly shuffling to the fire exit as the flames lick around our shoulders. The complacency and arrogance of it is nothing short of outrageous, and we'll get exactly what we deserve. And this won't be the end of it.
Thanks Randy, you utter, utter, utter idiot.
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Sick of an owner who hides from view and hopes our problems will go away.
Sick of an arrogant CEO who brags about how good our commercial department is.
Sick of a gutless and spineless coward of a manager who thinks draws will help us.
Sick of this group of players who stick their thumbs up there arses when they go behind.
In 26 seasons, I've never felt as low and fed up about Aston Villa as I do right now.
You should try 46 and being a season ticket holder living 150 miles away from Villa Park
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The team he put out was shite, but I don't know if anyone has noticed but whatever team we seem to put looks shite too.
I think it may be down to having too many shit players, but I'll come back to you all when I've finished my investigations
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"angrily spouted guessing".
Doesn't that describe about 97% of the internet?
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Today, we were much the better team.
Right up until they scored, and at that very moment, you could see the deflation happen. We just stopped trying, no desire, no drive, no energy, absolutely nothing.
Scoring against us is ridiculously easy, even for shit teams, we're just so fucking feeble. And when it invariably happens, 9 times out of ten, we just stop trying.
Yep and that's it, but that's a core of pathetic players that have done this. Clark, Hutton, Richardson etc absolutely kill us every week.
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Well Randy won't be spending any money in January. .Even that daft twat can see we are down so why spunk anymore money up the wall.
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I have seen nothing yet at any level of the club that makes me think we'll do well in the Championship next season. I fear our decline will continue.
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We lost. Nothing new and frankly I'm almost beyond caring.
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The team he put out was shite, but I don't know if anyone has noticed but whatever team we seem to put looks shite too.
I think it may be down to having to many shit players, but I'll come back to you all when I've finished my investigations
You can take your deerstalker off, extinguish that pipe and relax, Mr B, I can confirm that your initial feelings are correct.
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
Don't agree at all. We played well enough with the starting line up, the stats back that up. Well apart from the one that matters
It's not Garde's fault that we have no quality. He's inherited a Championship squad. Two appalling full backs, a bunch of average centre backs, a midfield that's hit and miss and not a single out and out striker
We were doomed in August
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Don't blame Garde the players are simply not good enough. I doubt any manager could have done much more. Time to prep for next season, they won't spend anything in January as it would be pointless and nobody decent would join. Ship out any of the crap we can and promote som of the youth. Would like to think Riley and Almstadt will fall on their swords sooner rather than later.
Time to give total abuse to the Grim Reaper aka Randolph Lerner for the next 5 months.
So you honestly think Garde picked Villa's strongest 11 today?
Still wouldn't have been good enough, they have no idea of how to win a game.
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Today, we were much the better team.
Right up until they scored, and at that very moment, you could see the deflation happen. We just stopped trying, no desire, no drive, no energy, absolutely nothing.
Scoring against us is ridiculously easy, even for shit teams, we're just so fucking feeble. And when it invariably happens, 9 times out of ten, we just stop trying.
Bang on!
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Lets all blame the manager, Christ this has been coming for three years and when you see the same players who have tried and failed year after year still in the squad Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood,Gabby etc then selling our leading goal scorer and buying a plank to replace him but never mind all that it's all the managers fault. I've come to the conclusion that who the manager is irrelevant the club stinks from the top down and no manager could have saved us this season. The pride has not been lost it has been allowed to slowly ebb away.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
Garde was the cheap option. Lerner is too penny pinching. £9m net spend in the summer says it all. I hope he loses millions with relegation
Relegation doesn't automatically mean Lerner will sell at a huge loss. He'll probably be the owner for years to come.
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This situation is wholly down to Lerner. Pretty pointless gesture but the 'Bright Future' half of that scarf is in the post tomorrow.
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Richardson, zero out of ten and "garbage" Fucking hell, bit kind I think.
As for Bacuna - that touch in the first half where he ended up fouling! Fucking hells bells.
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Today, we were much the better team.
Right up until they scored, and at that very moment, you could see the deflation happen. We just stopped trying, no desire, no drive, no energy, absolutely nothing.
Scoring against us is ridiculously easy, even for shit teams, we're just so fucking feeble. And when it invariably happens, 9 times out of ten, we just stop trying.
Yep and that's it, but that's a core of pathetic players that have done this. Clark, Hutton, Richardson etc absolutely kill us every week.
In the same way that decent teams have a strong spine, we have a spine of utter fucking gash which undermines us at every turn.
The only faint, faint hope we have of turning it around is if we buy a left back, a centre half, a goalscorer and possibily a keeper in the next week or two. I can't see that happening, so we're fucked.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
That's still not evidence of anything regarding Moyes, though, is it?
It's about opinion isn't it? As I said earlier we've spent the last 6 years picking the cheap options so it doesn't take a genius to work out that we employed a manager who is basically cheap (out of work) and willing to work with Lerner's austerity.
You get what you pay for in life, you pay peanuts and you get monkeys. That's why our squad is packed to the rim with players out of their depth. I'm convinced a manager like Moyes would demand a budget to get us out of this mess, and I'm guessing Lerner wouldn't provide it. Hence we have Remi Garde in charge.
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This situation is wholly down to Lerner. Pretty pointless gesture but the 'Bright Future' half of that scarf is in the post tomorrow.
Shame it can't be considered a contract. You could sue him for breach of contract.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
That's still not evidence of anything regarding Moyes, though, is it?
It's about opinion isn't it?
No, it's really really not. You're making a statement of fact based entirely on just what you reckon.
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The sooner they introduce a mid-season break the better. We haven't won a game around Christmas since Jesus died.
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Sadly, League One within three years under current leadership, Shameful.
However, other teams have gone under and come back stronger and I beleive we will but only once the club changes hands, going to be some harder days to come methinks
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Although come to think of it we don't win any other time of the year either.
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No point in booing the team that should be saved for Lerner and co. Players are not good enough and that's not their fault. The blame lies with those who appointed managers and bought these players. Well done you wankers.
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The thing that saddens me the most is that we're going down without a fight. That's EVERYONE, not just the players.
Owner - I know I shouldn't speak of his name, but could you imagine Ellis allowing us to get in this state? There's no way he would have contemplated appointing McLeish, Sherwood or Garde in the first place, or leaving the mumbling fool Lambert in charge for as long as he was.
Players - Enough has been said about these c##ts.
Fans - We've been subjected to misery for so long now, it has become the norm. How have we got to the point where even we've given up the fight? Every weekend, we all just shrug our shoulders and get on with another week of misery. In past times, there would have been absolute carnage at Villa Park, if fans had been subjected to the current state of affairs.
You'd imagine that there should be uproar, protests, and all manner of backlash from us, the fans.....but we're going down with a whimper. And Randy has made us this way.
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How many teams in the last 20 years have actually given up by mid-november?
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Why are 3 of our best players still sat on the bench game after game yet he picks Westwood, Richardson and Gestede?!
Who are these three and what have they done to show they're three of our best players ???
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
That's still not evidence of anything regarding Moyes, though, is it?
It's about opinion isn't it?
No, it's really really not. You're making a statement of fact based entirely on just what you reckon.
Didn't realise I was in court.
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This situation is wholly down to Lerner. Pretty pointless gesture but the 'Bright Future' half of that scarf is in the post tomorrow.
No don't send it back... But I'd to see everyone who has one throw theirs back on to the pitch in our last home game
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No point in booing the team that should be saved for Lerner and co. Players are not good enough and that's not their fault. The blame lies with those who appointed managers and bought these players. Well done you wankers.
Agreed. The players try their hardest but they're just not good enough.
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The thing that saddens me the most is that we're going down without a fight. That's EVERYONE, not just the players.
Owner - I know I shouldn't speak of his name, but could you imagine Ellis allowing us to get in this state? There's no way he would have contemplated appointing McLeish, Sherwood or Garde in the first place, or leaving the mumbling fool Lambert in charge for as long as he was.
Players - Enough has been said about these c##ts.
Fans - We've been subjected to misery for so long now, it has become the norm. How have we got to the point where even we've given up the fight? Every weekend, we all just shrug our shoulders and get on with another week of misery. In past times, there would have been absolute carnage at Villa Park, if fans had been subjected to the current state of affairs.
You'd imagine that there should be uproar, protests, and all manner of backlash from us, the fans.....but we're going down with a whimper. And Randy has made us this way.
So exactly what do you suggest we the fans do?
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Today, we were much the better team.
Right up until they scored, and at that very moment, you could see the deflation happen. We just stopped trying, no desire, no drive, no energy, absolutely nothing.
Scoring against us is ridiculously easy, even for shit teams, we're just so fucking feeble. And when it invariably happens, 9 times out of ten, we just stop trying.
This is true, but what is the manager doing about it. As we seem unable to score enough first to establish a lead to defend, it's inevitable with our poor defence we are going to concede and at best draw.
The team selection is poor, but he doesn't have many options in defence, they're all of the same ilk, not good enough and don't appear to have any pride in their performance.
Relegation and a drop in wages does not seem to be an incentive for them to stop up.
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Not the team I would have picked, but his options are limited. To blame Garde is crazy. If Ayew had scored with the free header it's a different game. I thought we played some decent football at times. The difference yet again was two very basic school boy errors that we get punished for. Time after time that has happened this season. It's a very sad day, but AVFC will continue to be a glonious football club even in the Championship. Some easy away games for me and hopefully we might even win another game of football.
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There was one moment where Norwich broke. Hutton had been pulled to left back. Richards was running around like a maniac chasing the ball carrier and wildly out of position. Whichever fox hunt was actually playing left back had fucked off somewhere for a ciggy and a quick wank. Clark was looking gormless and waiting for an opportunity to retrieve the ball so he could pass it to a yellow shirt. It was utterly fucking hopeless and it was absolutely typical of how we defend. It's manic.
I've never seen a back line (and I include defensive midfielders in this loose term) with so little awareness of position or runners, or where the c**ting ball actually is.
I detest every one of the bastards.
And this also comes down to organisation. Now I know Garde has a lot to deal with and he's been dealt a shit hand, which is why I give him leighway, but he's yet to show any signs he can even remotely improve the defence.
As for some of the players today. Clark made error upon error. So did Hutton. So did Bacuna. Richards gallops around and is never in the right bastard place. Dire.
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Garde has been mediocre to poor so far. Doesn't matter one jot though. Lerner could get guardiola in and it would go tits up. He's a Jonah. A freakish anomalous megarich loser.
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Didn't realise I was in court.
Or on a discussion board, it seems.
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As expected - god I hate what we have become . Made the choice to watch stoke on hooky satellite with my mates in the pub rather than listen to us lose on WM. Like watching a game on Xbox FIFA compared to our turgid shit
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The thing that saddens me the most is that we're going down without a fight. That's EVERYONE, not just the players.
Owner - I know I shouldn't speak of his name, but could you imagine Ellis allowing us to get in this state? There's no way he would have contemplated appointing McLeish, Sherwood or Garde in the first place, or leaving the mumbling fool Lambert in charge for as long as he was.
Players - Enough has been said about these c##ts.
Fans - We've been subjected to misery for so long now, it has become the norm. How have we got to the point where even we've given up the fight? Every weekend, we all just shrug our shoulders and get on with another week of misery. In past times, there would have been absolute carnage at Villa Park, if fans had been subjected to the current state of affairs.
You'd imagine that there should be uproar, protests, and all manner of backlash from us, the fans.....but we're going down with a whimper. And Randy has made us this way.
So exactly what do you suggest we the fans do?
Somebody needs to write one of those open letters to the club or set up an online petition.
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This could see us back in the old third before we come up for breath. The only silver lining is that one day a new owner will take us back.
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
How can you blame Garde? we have shit players that's the long and short of it, who would you have played? we have players that could not play two games in three days. If you want blame the cretins that bought most of the idiots but don't blame a guy who's trying to make a silk purse etc.
Aorry robbo , he has to take a lot of the blame . Not just the useless players.
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No point in booing the team that should be saved for Lerner and co. Players are not good enough and that's not their fault. The blame lies with those who appointed managers and bought these players. Well done you wankers.
Agreed. The players try their hardest but they're just not good enough.
I didn't see evidence of that today for several of the players
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The thing that saddens me the most is that we're going down without a fight. That's EVERYONE, not just the players.
Owner - I know I shouldn't speak of his name, but could you imagine Ellis allowing us to get in this state? There's no way he would have contemplated appointing McLeish, Sherwood or Garde in the first place, or leaving the mumbling fool Lambert in charge for as long as he was.
Players - Enough has been said about these c##ts.
Fans - We've been subjected to misery for so long now, it has become the norm. How have we got to the point where even we've given up the fight? Every weekend, we all just shrug our shoulders and get on with another week of misery. In past times, there would have been absolute carnage at Villa Park, if fans had been subjected to the current state of affairs.
You'd imagine that there should be uproar, protests, and all manner of backlash from us, the fans.....but we're going down with a whimper. And Randy has made us this way.
So exactly what do you suggest we the fans do?
Somebody needs to write one of those open letters to the club or set up an online petition.
Hahaha...he wont answer
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That defence isn't even worthy of the name. They're just four blokes who get paid to be moving coathangers.
Can't begin to understand why Richards and Clark were brought back. Richards is a headless turkey and Clark needs about five games to get up to speed and even then he's normally a liability. Lewis Kinsella mush be a shocking left back if he can't step up and perform better than the clowns we have there and Hutton, rather than asked to simply defend has the added weight of all our attacking intent on his shoulders. No surprise he gets lost once a game, every game.
Sherwood failed to buy a defence in the summer, a basic requirement for every team. He thought he could play Richards in there because the player said he wanted to play there. He wanted Lescott, who a great player in the past has no legs left. Both were without any doubt his signings. Fail to sort out your defence and it's no surprise you find yourself at the bottom of the league.
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Up shit creek without a paddle.
Playing a team only slightly less shit that you are.
An absolute must win game.
So, after the initial 15 minute flurry, how many efforts on goal did we create?
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Camelot in Smithereens....can we stop the season and get off please... can't bear this anymore.
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The thing that saddens me the most is that we're going down without a fight. That's EVERYONE, not just the players.
Owner - I know I shouldn't speak of his name, but could you imagine Ellis allowing us to get in this state? There's no way he would have contemplated appointing McLeish, Sherwood or Garde in the first place, or leaving the mumbling fool Lambert in charge for as long as he was.
Players - Enough has been said about these c##ts.
Fans - We've been subjected to misery for so long now, it has become the norm. How have we got to the point where even we've given up the fight? Every weekend, we all just shrug our shoulders and get on with another week of misery. In past times, there would have been absolute carnage at Villa Park, if fans had been subjected to the current state of affairs.
You'd imagine that there should be uproar, protests, and all manner of backlash from us, the fans.....but we're going down with a whimper. And Randy has made us this way.
So exactly what do you suggest we the fans do?
Somebody needs to write one of those open letters to the club or set up an online petition.
If they need any tears to drop onto the paper, they can have some of mine.
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Don't blame Garde the players are simply not good enough. I doubt any manager could have done much more. Time to prep for next season, they won't spend anything in January as it would be pointless and nobody decent would join. Ship out any of the crap we can and promote som of the youth. Would like to think Riley and Almstadt will fall on their swords sooner rather than later.
Time to give total abuse to the Grim Reaper aka Randolph Lerner for the next 5 months.
But how? Via email? And would it make even the tiniest jot of difference? I'd like to see the back of him as much as anyone else whilst he remains unwilling to commit more to the Club, but I fail to see how me hurling "total abuse" at an empty seat is going to change anything.
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Things arnt going to good in the league but I really think this is our year for the cup
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No point in booing the team that should be saved for Lerner and co. Players are not good enough and that's not their fault. The blame lies with those who appointed managers and bought these players. Well done you wankers.
Agreed. The players try their hardest but they're just not good enough.
I didn't see evidence of that today for several of the players
I'd suggest he clearly didn't see today's match if he reckons they tried their hardest.
The minute Norwich scored they collectively gave in. Pathetic.
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Things arnt going to good in the league but I really think this is our year for the cup
That's the spirit old boy
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Things arnt going to good in the league but I really think this is our year for the cup
The Birmingham Senior Cup? I doubt it.
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Don't blame Garde the players are simply not good enough. I doubt any manager could have done much more. Time to prep for next season, they won't spend anything in January as it would be pointless and nobody decent would join. Ship out any of the crap we can and promote som of the youth. Would like to think Riley and Almstadt will fall on their swords sooner rather than later.
Time to give total abuse to the Grim Reaper aka Randolph Lerner for the next 5 months.
Agree Walmley. The two players who have showed improvement since Garde took over are Vertout and Ayew, who are both very good footballers, unfortunately they have utter rubbish playing with them, coupled with most of them knowing they will be replaced either in January or at the end of the season...and this is what you get. I'd stick with Garde, just seeing the improvement in the above two gives me the impression he might bring in players he knows will fit in to his style of play...at the moment we don't have them.
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No point in booing the team that should be saved for Lerner and co. Players are not good enough and that's not their fault. The blame lies with those who appointed managers and bought these players. Well done you wankers.
Agreed. The players try their hardest but they're just not good enough.
I didn't see evidence of that today for several of the players
Me neither. Ayew and Veretout did. The rest looked like they couldn't be bothered frankly. Even Hutton who whilst shite, normally gives a good shift, looks like he's not enjoying playing given that he's expected to be our main creative outlet on the right (without ever having support) and still be back in position to defend (without ever having support). It's a thankless job and on top of that he's making shitty errors every game.
Bacuna can't be arsed. Richardson is delighted to be picking up millions at Premier League level whilst doing very little to earn that. Richards thinks simply running a lot constitutes effort but can't be fucked to engage his brain and show awareness, positional sense or even attempt to organise the fuckers around him. Westwood and Sinclair are stealing a living. If they got any lazier they'd wear oxygen masks so they didn't even have to breath themselves.
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No point in booing the team that should be saved for Lerner and co. Players are not good enough and that's not their fault. The blame lies with those who appointed managers and bought these players. Well done you wankers.
Agreed. The players try their hardest but they're just not good enough.
I didn't see evidence of that today for several of the players
I'd suggest he clearly didn't see today's match if he reckons they tried their hardest.
The minute Norwich scored they collectively gave in. Pathetic.
Gana's body language was appalling
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Remi says ''he's confident we'll get a win soon''
I'm not.
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The thing that saddens me the most is that we're going down without a fight. That's EVERYONE, not just the players.
Owner - I know I shouldn't speak of his name, but could you imagine Ellis allowing us to get in this state? There's no way he would have contemplated appointing McLeish, Sherwood or Garde in the first place, or leaving the mumbling fool Lambert in charge for as long as he was.
Players - Enough has been said about these c##ts.
Fans - We've been subjected to misery for so long now, it has become the norm. How have we got to the point where even we've given up the fight? Every weekend, we all just shrug our shoulders and get on with another week of misery. In past times, there would have been absolute carnage at Villa Park, if fans had been subjected to the current state of affairs.
You'd imagine that there should be uproar, protests, and all manner of backlash from us, the fans.....but we're going down with a whimper. And Randy has made us this way.
So exactly what do you suggest we the fans do?
Don't think there is anything we 'can' do - Damage is already done. Was just stating how things have changed so dramatically in recent years.
Remember the backlash the club received at McLeish's appointment - Protests, heated phone-ins, negative atmosphere at matches, etc.... We're in a much worse state now (and yes, partially because of 'that' period), yet they are all getting away with it scot free.
Years of being pummelled by that bloody football club have made us this way. Sad times.
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Don't rate Garde. Fair enough, we have a buch of shit houses for a first team, and I know he's only been in charge for a handful of games, but he's showed me nothing to make me think he's the right man. And as for getting us out of the 2nd division, he's got no chance.
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I hate Micah Richards. Richardson and Hutton are easy targets but that bloke plays at looking like he knows what he's doing. Come the revolution and all that...
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Remi says ''he's confident we'll get a win soon''
I'm not.
I'm glad to hear he thinks that to be honest. Because if he didn't we'd best pack up now
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The thing that saddens me the most is that we're going down without a fight. That's EVERYONE, not just the players.
Owner - I know I shouldn't speak of his name, but could you imagine Ellis allowing us to get in this state? There's no way he would have contemplated appointing McLeish, Sherwood or Garde in the first place, or leaving the mumbling fool Lambert in charge for as long as he was.
Players - Enough has been said about these c##ts.
Fans - We've been subjected to misery for so long now, it has become the norm. How have we got to the point where even we've given up the fight? Every weekend, we all just shrug our shoulders and get on with another week of misery. In past times, there would have been absolute carnage at Villa Park, if fans had been subjected to the current state of affairs.
You'd imagine that there should be uproar, protests, and all manner of backlash from us, the fans.....but we're going down with a whimper. And Randy has made us this way.
So exactly what do you suggest we the fans do?
Don't think there is anything we 'can' do - Damage is already done. Was just stating how things have changed so dramatically in recent years.
Remember the backlash the club received at McLeish's appointment - Protests, heated phone-ins, negative atmosphere at matches, etc.... We're in a much worse state now (and yes, partially because of 'that' period), yet they are all getting away with it scot free.
Years of being pummelled by that bloody football club have made us this way. Sad times.
Well you proved me wrong
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We've won 6 league games in the entire year of 2015 under three managers. Very very grim.
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Complete and utter rubbish. As the 3rd round of the FA Cup is usually played on the first Saturday in January, Ayew would normally just miss the Wycombe game but now he misses the Sunderland game. So any chance of us beating them has gone and any remote chance of staying up gone.
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My next game will be Palace.. I really want to hurl abuse at someone because of what has happened to us but I can't think of who I can abuse. Suppose I ll just have to sit there and shrugged my shoulders yet again.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
Garde was the cheap option. Lerner is too penny pinching. £9m net spend in the summer says it all. I hope he loses millions with relegation
How do you know that?
Don't get me wrong, Lerner is a fucking idiot way, way out his depth in premier league football, and his "leadership" is taking us down this season, without a doubt, but some of the stuff on here about people knowing we didn't try to get Moyes / we got Garde because he was cheap is just angrily spouted guessing.
I guess the fact that we have been trying to do football on the cheap for the last few years leads some people to think like that.
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Sick of an owner who hides from view and hopes our problems will go away.
Sick of an arrogant CEO who brags about how good our commercial department is.
Sick of a gutless and spineless coward of a manager who thinks draws will help us.
Sick of this group of players who stick their thumbs up there arses when they go behind.
In 26 seasons, I've never felt as low and fed up about Aston Villa as I do right now.
This.
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No point in booing the team that should be saved for Lerner and co. Players are not good enough and that's not their fault. The blame lies with those who appointed managers and bought these players. Well done you wankers.
Agreed. The players try their hardest but they're just not good enough.
At last someone's nailed it the players were trying they have been all season but the sad fact is that we have sold our better players and bought in mainly shit players. We have done this over the last three or four years, Lerner has been trying to do it on the cheap and these are the players we are left with. In retrospect I have been as guilty as the rest in blaming successive managers but now I think that all of them never stood a chance under Lerners ownership and cost cutting. He came as our saviour but has turned our great club into a joke, Bruce Forsyth on stage once said we are called Aston Vanilla because everyone licks them. We will come again and be great again but not until there is a new owner.
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I wouldn't bet on us to beat a bunch of one-eyed knock kneed Chelsea pensioners with a two goal headstart, let alone Sunderland. Or Wycombe, come to that.
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This is an ending.
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We've won 6 league games in the entire year of 2015 under three managers. Very very grim.
4 managers including caretaker.
As I said on another thread, we've played 38 league games in 2015, W6 D7 L25 Pts 25.
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We've won 6 league games in the entire year of 2015 under three managers. Very very grim.
What does that tell you? that all three managers were crap or the players were crap.
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We've won 6 league games in the entire year of 2015 under three managers. Very very grim.
4 managers including caretaker.
Rub it in, why don't you ;)
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On a positive note, I'd rather be rock bottom, god awful, than go down on the last day of the season. We are having our medicine early.
Fuck it, we'll be back.
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We've won 6 league games in the entire year of 2015 under three managers. Very very grim.
4 managers including caretaker.
As I said on another thread, we've played 38 league games in 2015, W6 D7 L25 Pts 25.
All four appointed by who?
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
Yep, this.
I don't think he knows the reality of the situation. Clueless.
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On a positive note, I'd rather be rock bottom, god awful, than go down on the last day of the season.
I must admit, it would be the slimmest of silver linings if we, having dropped about two months earlier, won our only other game against the Codes and relegated them again.
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On a positive note, I'd rather be rock bottom, god awful, than go down on the last day of the season.
I must admit, it would be the slimmest of silver linings if we, having dropped about two months earlier, won our only other game against the Codes and relegated them again.
Please be this!
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agree with most posts regarding shitness
but I still cant accept its over
your faithfully
mr deluded
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People criticise Garde for being too defensive but fuck me, looking at the defensive options I'm surprised he picks any attackers at all.
He only has Ayew, Sinclair, Gestede and Gabby. Only Ayew has shown some resemblance of an attacker the other 3 are at best useless so he cannot do anything but pick a defensive team?
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On a positive note, I'd rather be rock bottom, god awful, than go down on the last day of the season.
I must admit, it would be the slimmest of silver linings if we, having dropped about two months earlier, won our only other game against the Codes and relegated them again.
Please be this!
Chelsea joining us both would also be nice
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Garde is responsible for that, cowardice team selection and did not bother to change it.
He knew this was the last chance and put out that line up.
I have no idea how he thought that team could win a game.
Yep, this.
I don't think he knows the reality of the situation. Clueless.
I'd let him go now and get someone in to build for next season in the Championship. Nigel Pearson springs to mind. Garde won't get us out of that league...it's a bear pit and he's a mouse.
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People criticise Garde for being too defensive but fuck me, looking at the defensive options I'm surprised he picks any attackers at all.
He only has Ayew, Sinclair, Gestede and Gabby. Only Ayew has shown some resemblance of an attacker the other 3 are at best useless so he cannot do anything but pick a defensive team?
This is true.
Our attacking options are laughable.
We might have spent the Benteke money, but we didn't spend it on a convincing goal option to make up for what we were losing.
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Well done Garde, you've relegated us. All you. Nobody else's fault. Can't think who else to blame. It's not as if we've been shit for over 4 years and just about staying up.
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On a positive note, I'd rather be rock bottom, god awful, than go down on the last day of the season.
I must admit, it would be the slimmest of silver linings if we, having dropped about two months earlier, won our only other game against the Codes and relegated them again.
Please be this!
Chelsea joining us both would also be nice
A tricky one, as they wold lose 50% of their fans pretty quickly but would also be going straight back up, reducing the promotion spaces for us.
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We deserve to go unforunately. We seem to have relied on three teams being worse than us, except we are actually one of the worst three on 'merit'.
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I just hope Newcastle come down with us so they don't get to gloat. I can take stick from anyone else, but those sanctimonious fuckers laughing it up at our expense will drive me to a ritual suicide with the shame of it.
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I've always had my doubts about his fitness, but why Charlie Austin wasn't stretching a Villa shirt in mid-August is beyond my ken. Gestede may have been eight million quid cheaper but I bet his goal to fee ratio would have still have been worse than Austin's.
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The following has already been said by all of you, but I need to get it out of my system.
- I like Garde, but todays line-up was too negative. Richardson and Sinclair instead of Gil/Traore/Grealish - i dont get it.
- Ayew and Westwood getting suspended in injury time so they will miss the next important game against Sunderland. Plain stupid. Or perhaps just stupid of me, thinking it will be an important game. Why I am still hoping ?
- Hutton and Clark. Comedy defending yet again.. I would like to see Richards at right back and Okore and Lescott in the middle. I have no idea of who should be left back. Illori or Crespo, our shrewd signings perhaps?
- Richards getting into a fight in the 91. minute. I bet he was thinking: "this will show the fans, I really care.."
- Bacuna, Richardson, Guzan, Westwood, Hutton, Sinclair: How can the club allow such a team to be assemblied ? I still remember the window when we got Cole, Senderos and Richardson..
- Gestede: either he makes a mess of it or he walks around looking disinterested. This is supposed to be his big chance in the Premier League.
- Ayew and Veretout: when we go down, they will be sold. Meaning we will be stuck with the garbage players. I cannot see us getting promoted with this squad, even if 5-6 goods players are added.
etc. etc.
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I bet Charlie Austin can't wait to get up that M1-M6 in a very speedy car
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One thing I will say is there is no bastard way that Ilori can be worse in defence than Hutton, Clark, Bacuna or Richardson. Just give him a chance.
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Can't we just resign from the league and be done with it.
Lerner you may as well give the club away for free. Six years it took you to Fuck it up.
Just like the Cleveland browns. You're a complete failure in the sporting world.
How the hell did you survive in your other businesses?
He inherited MBNA; the idiot even took Bank of America shares as part consideration when he sold, and look what's happened to their price subsequently. He is a complete and utter failure in everything he does.
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One thing I will say is there is no bastard way that Ilori can be worse in defence than Hutton, Clark, Bacuna or Richardson. Just give him a chance.
The thing is, every time we say 'there's no way X is worse than Y', X invariably turns out to be a pile of complete shit.
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Can't we just resign from the league and be done with it.
Lerner you may as well give the club away for free. Six years it took you to Fuck it up.
Just like the Cleveland browns. You're a complete failure in the sporting world.
How the hell did you survive in your other businesses?
He inherited MBNA; the idiot even took Bank of America shares as part consideration when he sold, and look what's happened to their price subsequently. He is a complete and utter failure in everything he does.
Apparently his new misses is a bit of a corker so not everything
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One thing I will say is there is no bastard way that Ilori can be worse in defence than Hutton, Clark, Bacuna or Richardson. Just give him a chance.
Agreed. I think Liverpool saw us coming there - a season long loan and he's been injured for half of it. And I know this belongs to another thread, but Gestede has missed goalscoring chances in at least two out of three games that I would stake my wedding tackle on Kozak scoring.
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One thing I will say is there is no bastard way that Ilori can be worse in defence than Hutton, Clark, Bacuna or Richardson. Just give him a chance.
The thing is, every time we say 'there's no way X is worse than Y', X invariably turns out to be a pile of complete shit.
Remember Bertrand's debut? Fantastic, and then he looked like one of the most incompetent full backs ever to pull on a shirt. The attitude permeates everything at B6.
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One thing I will say is there is no bastard way that Ilori can be worse in defence than Hutton, Clark, Bacuna or Richardson. Just give him a chance.
Agreed. I think Liverpool saw us coming there - a season long loan and he's been injured for half of it. And I know this belongs to another thread, but Gestede has missed goalscoring chances in at least two out of three games that I would stake my wedding tackle on Kozak scoring.
I think Kozak has got his passport ready for a January move to Scotland
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It's not stopping is it?
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It's not stopping is it?
No.
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At the next home game can we actually let lerner know what we think instead of just total acceptance.we want lerner out say we want lerner out!
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At the next home game can we actually let lerner know what we think instead of just total acceptance.we want lerner out say we want lerner out!
You do know he won't be there don't you
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Like the rabbit, to be sure
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I dont fuckin care, he will certainly hear about ot tho!
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I dont fuckin care, he will certainly hear about ot tho!
He'll probably join in.
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I dont fuckin care, he will certainly hear about ot tho!
He'll probably join in.
haha your probably right
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I dont fuckin care, he will certainly hear about ot tho!
He'll probably join in.
haha your probably right
. Brilliant, your definitely right
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Let's face it, we're not only an embarrassment, but an embarrassment to the division. We actually need to go down to regroup. If we ain't good enough to return at the first attempt then so be it. I am a Villa fan but at this moment in time NOT proud of it
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I'd drop half the first team and play the youth. If they even feign an interest I'd take that as an improvement. Getting in a scuffle when you're getting done over for being shite doesn't count as showing an interest. The cynic in me thinks it's actually a cheap way of pretending to give two fucks.
Indeed. Deano was great at smashing into a defender with a couple of minutes to go when he and the team had had a stinker
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Can't we just resign from the league and be done with it.
Lerner you may as well give the club away for free. Six years it took you to Fuck it up.
Just like the Cleveland browns. You're a complete failure in the sporting world.
How the hell did you survive in your other businesses?
He inherited MBNA; the idiot even took Bank of America shares as part consideration when he sold, and look what's happened to their price subsequently. He is a complete and utter failure in everything he does.
Apparently his new misses is a bit of a corker so not everything
Premature ejactulation is a real bastard though
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thought Adama was lively when he came on. Although he just doesn't understand the game. Hutton had the ball and was gesturing to Adama to hit the space but he stood still. We lost possession.
But I remember seeing Bolasie for the first time and he was exactly the same. So a couple of years down the line we will have a great winger. He'll be amazing in league two.
If I was Garde I would do a Steve Coppell. Resign.
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Bit harsh to blame Garde, I think, even though he's maybe being a bit negative.
The seeds of this massive debacle have been sowed gradually over a period of years, and we really started going off a cliff when Lerner decided he'd had enough and made his Shummanites tantrum. It paralysed the club with short-termism and we ended up signing stopgaps like Senderos and Richardson.
The last five seasons have been a drawing down of blinds. We are doomed.
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On a positive note, I'd rather be rock bottom, god awful, than go down on the last day of the season.
I must admit, it would be the slimmest of silver linings if we, having dropped about two months earlier, won our only other game against the Codes and relegated them again.
Please be this!
It wouldn't lessen the pain of relegation a jot.
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Not the team I would have picked, but his options are limited. To blame Garde is crazy. If Ayew had scored with the free header it's a different game. I thought we played some decent football at times. The difference yet again was two very basic school boy errors that we get punished for. Time after time that has happened this season. It's a very sad day, but AVFC will continue to be a glonious football club even in the Championship. Some easy away games for me and hopefully we might even win another game of football.
Have to agree lagely. Okore and Lescott need a rest and Richards and Clark should be good enough against bollocks like Norwich.
Other than that Bacuna instead of one of the full backs but that would have left us 'lighter' in midfield.
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Let's face it, we're not only an embarrassment, but an embarrassment to the division. We actually need to go down to regroup. If we ain't good enough to return at the first attempt then so be it. I am a Villa fan but at this moment in time NOT proud of it
In the last few years there have been teams who got away with it. Teams who are overdue the drop. I think this year could well be the time that the three most stinking heaps in the top flight will finally go down. The three most pathetic, gutless, ruderless and aimless sides to have stunk up this division so consistently. Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa. If all three go down, justice has been done. A team like Norwich or Bournemouth have come up on small budgets with championship players. They lack quality but have a little thing called spirit. They show more fight in their little fingers than the whole of Villa, Toon and Sunderland put together. All three clubs have become a joke that isn't funny any more. We've become Roy Chubby Brown. The joke has to stop and the turd needs flushing.
I hope football justice will be done this year. Three shithouses to get relegated. Man City, Utd or Chelsea not winning the league will be nice. Hopefully one or more of Leicester, Palace or Watford to upset the applecart in the top 6 come May.
That would be good for the Premier League. I don't like our situation, but we thoroughly deserve it. We're that green sludge that accumulates on top of a poorly maintained pool, and the owner still expects the fans to dive in and enjoy themselves.
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On a positive note, I'd rather be rock bottom, god awful, than go down on the last day of the season.
I must admit, it would be the slimmest of silver linings if we, having dropped about two months earlier, won our only other game against the Codes and relegated them again.
Please be this!
It wouldn't lessen the pain of relegation a jot.
We are down. That would just be funny.
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Let's face it, we're not only an embarrassment, but an embarrassment to the division. We actually need to go down to regroup. If we ain't good enough to return at the first attempt then so be it. I am a Villa fan but at this moment in time NOT proud of it
In the last few years there have been teams who got away with it. Teams who are overdue the drop. I think this year could well be the time that the three most stinking heaps in the top flight will finally go down. The three most pathetic, gutless, ruderless and aimless sides to have stunk up this division so consistently. Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa. If all three go down, justice has been done. A team like Norwich or Bournemouth have come up on small budgets with championship players. They lack quality but have a little thing called spirit. They show more fight in their little fingers than the whole of Villa, Toon and Sunderland put together. All three clubs have become a joke that isn't funny any more. We've become Roy Chubby Brown. The joke has to stop and the turd needs flushing.
I hope football justice will be done this year. Three shithouses to get relegated. Man City, Utd or Chelsea not winning the league will be nice. Hopefully one or more of Leicester, Palace or Watford to upset the applecart in the top 6 come May.
That would be good for the Premier League. I don't like our situation, but we thoroughly deserve it. We're that green sludge that accumulates on top of a poorly maintained pool, and the owner still expects the fans to dive in and enjoy themselves.
One of the disappointing aspects of the whole Villa farrago this season is that I can't even laugh at Chelsea or the crapness of United, or feel good for Leicester. I fucking hate football.
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Let's face it, we're not only an embarrassment, but an embarrassment to the division. We actually need to go down to regroup. If we ain't good enough to return at the first attempt then so be it. I am a Villa fan but at this moment in time NOT proud of it
In the last few years there have been teams who got away with it. Teams who are overdue the drop. I think this year could well be the time that the three most stinking heaps in the top flight will finally go down. The three most pathetic, gutless, ruderless and aimless sides to have stunk up this division so consistently. Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa. If all three go down, justice has been done. A team like Norwich or Bournemouth have come up on small budgets with championship players. They lack quality but have a little thing called spirit. They show more fight in their little fingers than the whole of Villa, Toon and Sunderland put together. All three clubs have become a joke that isn't funny any more. We've become Roy Chubby Brown. The joke has to stop and the turd needs flushing.
I hope football justice will be done this year. Three shithouses to get relegated. Man City, Utd or Chelsea not winning the league will be nice. Hopefully one or more of Leicester, Palace or Watford to upset the applecart in the top 6 come May.
That would be good for the Premier League. I don't like our situation, but we thoroughly deserve it. We're that green sludge that accumulates on top of a poorly maintained pool, and the owner still expects the fans to dive in and enjoy themselves.
Who give a rat's arse about what's good for the Premier League?
Gerge Carlin's rant about Mickey Mouse springs to mind. NSFW.
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Things arnt going to good in the league but I really think this is our year for the cup
Sir Lol-alot
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Let's face it, we're not only an embarrassment, but an embarrassment to the division. We actually need to go down to regroup. If we ain't good enough to return at the first attempt then so be it. I am a Villa fan but at this moment in time NOT proud of it
In the last few years there have been teams who got away with it. Teams who are overdue the drop. I think this year could well be the time that the three most stinking heaps in the top flight will finally go down. The three most pathetic, gutless, ruderless and aimless sides to have stunk up this division so consistently. Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa. If all three go down, justice has been done. A team like Norwich or Bournemouth have come up on small budgets with championship players. They lack quality but have a little thing called spirit. They show more fight in their little fingers than the whole of Villa, Toon and Sunderland put together. All three clubs have become a joke that isn't funny any more. We've become Roy Chubby Brown. The joke has to stop and the turd needs flushing.
I hope football justice will be done this year. Three shithouses to get relegated. Man City, Utd or Chelsea not winning the league will be nice. Hopefully one or more of Leicester, Palace or Watford to upset the applecart in the top 6 come May.
That would be good for the Premier League. I don't like our situation, but we thoroughly deserve it. We're that green sludge that accumulates on top of a poorly maintained pool, and the owner still expects the fans to dive in and enjoy themselves.
One of the disappointing aspects of the whole Villa farrago this season is that I can't even laugh at Chelsea or the crapness of United, or feel good for Leicester. I fucking hate football.
I know it's frustrating. If we were 17th right now and it was Newcastle languishing on 8 points, I'd be having a far better time. Our own misfortune aside it's the most interesting Premiership season in years. Maybe in well over a decade.
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Don't be too quick to wish Newcastle down, having them and Sunderland go with us would make coming back first time that bit harder.
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I hope our fitness improves in the championship, Remi has got lots of work to do.
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Don't be too quick to wish Newcastle down, having them and Sunderland go with us would make coming back first time that bit harder.
I honestly don't know whether it's better to be facing the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth with solid foundations and work ethic in place, or another club like ourselves in desperate need of an ownership change where the players don't appear to care. Would that seeming indifference change in the Championship? I know Newcastle blew the rest away when they last went down, but I wouldn't be counting on it happening again if I was a Geordie.
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Join the Villa Supporters Trust, only way of getting our point across in a uniform and professional manner. Has to be worth £5 of any Villa fans money?
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Just home. That team is worse than any Villa team I have seen since the days of Division 3. Everybody knew once the team was announced that it was more total negativity from the manager.
My son put his finger on it as we walked from the ground. We have never had so many genuinely bad players in the team. Not players who are not as good as our better players, just plain, simple useless incompetent players. Bacuna, Richardson, Guzan, Clark, Westwood, Sinclairand Gestede. Seven of our team are just piss poor football players. To make matters worse they make no effort to correct their endless stupid mistakes. My worst man of the match would have to go to Remi Garde. That man has to stop listening to what people tell him and use his eyes. What other manager would have players of the ability of Traore and Grealish and give them half an hour pitch time between them in a must win game.
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Just home. That team is worse than any Villa team I have seen since the days of Division 3. Everybody knew once the team was announced that it was more total negativity from the manager.
My son put his finger on it as we walked from the ground. We have never had so many genuinely bad players in the team. Not players who are not as good as our better players, just plain, simple useless incompetent players. Bacuna, Richardson, Guzan, Clark, Westwood, Sinclairand Gestede. Seven of our team are just piss poor football players. To make matters worse they make no effort to correct their endless stupid mistakes. My worst man of the match would have to go to Remi Garde. That man has to stop listening to what people tell him and use his eyes. What other manager would have players of the ability of Traore and Grealish and give them half an hour pitch time between them in a must win game.
To be fair Brian there has been nothing from Jack this season to suggest he could win us a game. We have a lot of terrible players I agree, so I don't place a lot of blame on Garde. He needs time and the chance to get rid of all that dross.
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Well next season we'll be playing the likes of the shit, probably Burton who were in the conference about 3/4years ago, and probably our usual pre season friendly opponents, Walsall. What a fucking reality check.
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On the match thread, and in anger, I said how there are quite a few Villa players that I hate.
I admitted that I know that it's wrong, and that hate is strong word, but it's how I feel.
These included Bacuna, Sinclair and Richardson.
It was said in anger, and I really should have considered what I was writing before spouting off.
Having calmed down, and thought about my actions, I apologise.
I should should have also included Westwood and Richards in that list.
Fucktards, the lot of them.
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Agree Peter but Norwich don't know Jack is crap. They might just give him a bit of a chance based on his reputation. Stand off him, chop him down, concede a penalty. Anything is better than watching Gestede needing to unplait his legs.
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Just home
that new dual carriageway section near Thetford has made a hell of a difference to run run back towards Cambridge. I was across to Milton Keynes by just after 7
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Absolute fuckin garbage how can you blame Remi, answers on a stamp please??
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Good innit UKR.
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Just home. That team is worse than any Villa team I have seen since the days of Division 3. Everybody knew once the team was announced that it was more total negativity from the manager.
My son put his finger on it as we walked from the ground. We have never had so many genuinely bad players in the team. Not players who are not as good as our better players, just plain, simple useless incompetent players. Bacuna, Richardson, Guzan, Clark, Westwood, Sinclairand Gestede. Seven of our team are just piss poor football players. To make matters worse they make no effort to correct their endless stupid mistakes. My worst man of the match would have to go to Remi Garde. That man has to stop listening to what people tell him and use his eyes. What other manager would have players of the ability of Traore and Grealish and give them half an hour pitch time between them in a must win game.
Didn't go to the game, but listened on the radio. Initial thought on hearing the team announcement was one of bewilderment. I thought we had been building a bit of momentum over the past couple of weeks, so why go and make major changes to the defence? Also hearing the Norwich fans singing "you're f@cking sh&t" towards the end just about summed it up. Fans of Norwich f@cking City.
To be honest, if we were a boxer our corner would be getting ready to throw in the towel.
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I don't blame Garde for the situation we are in, I do blame him for that selection.
I do blame him for waiting so long to change it.
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I don't blame Garde for the situation we are in, I do blame him for that selection.
I do blame him for waiting so long to change it.
Yes, but he consistently starts with a poor negative formation, and lo and behold he's forced into changes, but most times its too late. Just rank bad management and team selection. Why drop Lescott and Okore? Utter stupidity.
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Okore was injured with a swollen knee apparently.
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Today, Villa lost to a team that plays Cameron Jerome up front week in week out, and rested him today.
We're the worst team in the league (not worst squad. They have talent but they don't seem to give a shit)
The most painful thing is going to be waiting for the inevitable mathematical conclusion week in week out, hoping we can dodge the freight train careering towards us.
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I thought we were awful. Their game plan seemed to be was to close us down, win the second ball and try and wind up Ayew and apart from him not losing his rag, it worked. One header apart, we offered nothing.
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It's over. We didn't trouble a shit team one iota. I'd honestly start planning for next year now. Get rid of whoever we can/wants to go in Jan and give the kids a chance (not all at once obviously). This mob are stinking the ground out with every passing week.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
That's still not evidence of anything regarding Moyes, though, is it?
It's about opinion isn't it?
No, it's really really not. You're making a statement of fact based entirely on just what you reckon.
And SH, you said yourself a month or two back, even if he had brought Moyes in and we had continued to struggle, you'd have carried on blaming Lerner anyway.
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I felt rather envious of the happy Gooners on the tube this evening. We have months of unhappiness ahead and after relegation there will be no certainty at all that we'll be back in the near future. The situation feels a lot more desperate than in 1987 and this time l think it's very unlikely that Lerner and Fox will be able to persuade a Graham Taylor to come to the rescue. Do they even know what they're looking for?
I also envied the Norwich fans I overheard as I left the ground: "20 points, half way to safety."
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Don't know if I have the stomach to even tune into the Sunderland match. If we thought today's team selection was bad then God forbid on Saturday minus Ayew, Sanchez still, Okore, Westwood.
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Don't know if I have the stomach to even tune into the Sunderland match. If we thought today's team selection was bad then God forbid on Saturday minus Ayew, Sanchez still, Okore, Westwood.
Wouldnt worry. It cant be much worse than today
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Don't know if I have the stomach to even tune into the Sunderland match. If we thought today's team selection was bad then God forbid on Saturday minus Ayew, Sanchez still, Okore, Westwood.
At least we will have Sissokho back! Oh joy.
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Don't know if I have the stomach to even tune into the Sunderland match. If we thought today's team selection was bad then God forbid on Saturday minus Ayew, Sanchez still, Okore, Westwood.
At least we will have Sissokho back! Oh joy.
i hope I never have to see Clark Bacuna or Richadrson again.
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The club have somehow got to try and build bridges with the fans and based on recent experience where they have done their best to alienate fans (Brigade, away allocations) this will be no easy task. We have potentially 5 months of toxic atmospheres at VP....is going to be a big challenge to Fox and co
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
That's still not evidence of anything regarding Moyes, though, is it?
It's about opinion isn't it?
No, it's really really not. You're making a statement of fact based entirely on just what you reckon.
And SH, you said yourself a month or two back, even if he had brought Moyes in and we had continued to struggle, you'd have carried on blaming Lerner anyway.
I'm no fan of Garde but I don't blame him for our demise. He's just a symptom of it.
The Moyes thing was just wishful thinking. No decent manager would touch our club with the laughable budget Lerner supplies, and that's just my opinion before you get your knickers in a twist.
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Garde out! Get Moyes or Pearson now! At least they'd have the January window.
Perfect opportunity to get Moyes in and we weren't interested. He'd demand a proper PL budget that's why.
See you keep saying that, but you haven't even tried to produce any evidence for it.
We've been snapping up the cheaper options for nearly 6 years now. Have you not noticed the clues along the way?
That's still not evidence of anything regarding Moyes, though, is it?
It's about opinion isn't it?
No, it's really really not. You're making a statement of fact based entirely on just what you reckon.
And SH, you said yourself a month or two back, even if he had brought Moyes in and we had continued to struggle, you'd have carried on blaming Lerner anyway.
I'm no fan of Garde but I don't blame him for our demise. He's just a symptom of it.
The Moyes thing was just wishful thinking. No decent manager would touch our club with the laughable budget Lerner supplies, and that's just my opinion before you get your knickers in a twist.
I'm sure I won't.
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He's (SH) right though.
Garde may not be a bad manager - I think he might be good actually. But he was not the answer to staying up this year and he probably won't be the answer next year.
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We are all aware of our defensive deficiencies but what really did us in today was lack of a proper attacking option. Sinclair simply not good enough, Rudi dire Taore a bit of a fancy dan and Ayew looking for a kick off with the opponents rather than concerntrating on his own job.
Garde needs a reality check if he thinks he can anything with this squad.
Its okay for the supporters to go on and on about the European cup, that was now over 30 years ago, the most we can look to achieve in the next 5 years will be promotion back to the premiership.
So depressed.
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were you able to get a ticket in the end WW?
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He's (SH) right though.
Garde may not be a bad manager - I think he might be good actually. But he was not the answer to staying up this year and he probably won't be the answer next year.
Well we may as well give him a chance otherwise we look to the next rung below of old has-beens, never will bes - Warnock, Redknapp, Ferguson (D), Grayson.
Houllier was a regressive appointment, McLeish a beyond all comprehension appointment, Lambert kept on too long and then Sherwood and all of us to a man knew his limitations.
Garde is likely a very good coach.
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Don't know if I have the stomach to even tune into the Sunderland match. If we thought today's team selection was bad then God forbid on Saturday minus Ayew, Sanchez still, Okore, Westwood.
At least we will have Sissokho back! Oh joy.
i hope I never have to see Clark Bacuna or Richadrson again.
Not long back from the match, and after that display I don't really want to see any of them again apart from Ayew maybe.
This manager has brought no overall improvement and has overseen abject displays against Everton, Arsenal and another terrible showing today.
The lack of fight was inexcusable. Norwich were not great by any means, but were better organised, marked better and had players prepared and willing to cover and track back. That is a minimum we should expect.
We are clearly the laughing stock of the league. We have plumbed such depths that the next laughing stock will be the next team to lose to us; that could take a good while yet.
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Well that started badly, went downhill quickly and the less said about the end the better.
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Well that started badly, went downhill quickly and the less said about the end the better.
Nice to see you safely back Leeg
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Well that started badly, went downhill quickly and the less said about the end the better.
We just need to change one minor thing at Villa. 90% of the players.
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Well that started badly, went downhill quickly and the less said about the end the better.
Nice to see you safely back Leeg
Ta. I have been travelling since 05:30 and have only just got back to the house. Off to my folks house tomorrow to check things out there. The Villa are the least of my worries at the moment. Well, the second major worry, anyway. Time to chill with some red wine.
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I think special mention should also be reserved for the referree. In the words of Franny Lee, I "thought" he was a ******
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He's (SH) right though.
Garde may not be a bad manager - I think he might be good actually. But he was not the answer to staying up this year and he probably won't be the answer next year.
Well we may as well give him a chance otherwise we look to the next rung below of old has-beens, never will bes - Warnock, Redknapp, Ferguson (D), Grayson.
Houllier was a regressive appointment, McLeish a beyond all comprehension appointment, Lambert kept on too long and then Sherwood and all of us to a man knew his limitations.
Garde is likely a very good coach.
Garde seems clued up - he certainly looked pissed off today. I think it's c. 80% the quality of the players.
But my point was that Garde was a unquestionably a gamble (like Sherwoood, like Lambert, like McLeash, like Houllier). When we needed a 'safer' bet ('safer', rather than safe). I think the thing hampering us employing the most obvious safer bet (Moyes) was the budget. Just like it was when MON left.
Anyway, it's pretty irrelevant now. The damage is done.
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I still don't understand. Traoré had 30 minutes. Why didn't he win the game for us?
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Football is cyclical and at some point we'll be good again
Sadly, I'm not sure this is true anymore.
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Because there was nobody with the ability to score from the stream of crosses he pulled back from the by line.
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Football is cyclical and at some point we will be less shit than we are at the moment.
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So he needs to start then?
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I think I am saying "we are fucked" but with different words.
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We am fucked.
We is fucked.
We're fucked.
We'm fucked.
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So he needs to start then?
a bit late but an attack with him in it could not have been any worse than what we are served up every week.
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Football is cyclical and at some point we will be less shit than we are at the moment.
This, I can agree with.
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I am not in denial. I am "dealing with it". Right here.
And with this 50cl of Grimbergen Rouge.
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Because there was nobody with the ability to score from the stream of crosses he pulled back from the by line.
Brian I think it was three crosses in all and one of those was over hit. I don't see him as anything but a good prospect in a couple of years time. If we had half a decent side he would be allowed to mature slowly but because we are so shit he has to be played.
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I think I am saying "we are fucked" but with different words.
I think we're all thinking what you're saying BE...just so fu*king hard to believe it.
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I go back to the fact, we had to win today. Garde picked a team that at best could contain and included Richardson and Calamity Clark.All Norwich had to do was put Ayew off his game and they did that by roughing him up.Once Clark nocked the ball down nicely to set up thier goal it was over.
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Goals and highlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/dYYyP4S1/#video)
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Goals and highlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/dYYyP4S1/#video)
Why would you even do that.
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I go back to the fact, we had to win today. Garde picked a team that at best could contain and included Richardson and Calamity Clark.All Norwich had to do was put Ayew off his game and they did that by roughing him up.Once Clark nocked the ball down nicely to set up thier goal it was over.
I understand him replacing 2 injury prone CHs and playing them next game as we have 2 experienced internationals to replace them. Maybe it's not unreasonable to expect Clark not to look like bambi on ice when a player runs at him or Hansel and Gretel in the Forest after bird seed had been eaten.
As for Richardson - he is the worse left back I have seen at Villa and bearing in mind I saw Bernie Gallacher play, that is no mean feat.
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Goals and highlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/dYYyP4S1/#video)
Why would you even do that.
I'll ask the bottle of red wine I've just drunk in the last hour.
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Goals and highlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/dYYyP4S1/#video)
Why would you even do that.
I have just spat masticated Dairy Milk all over my underpants.
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I was in Richer Sounds today in Kingston buying a TV, while we were waiting to be seen an advert for BT sports came on all the TV's and showed the goals in FA Cup semi against Liverpool, it showed slow mo's of the fans celebrating and I was explaining to my son where I was sat...."it was the last time I was happy watching them" I said.
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Must be th Malbec but watched the highlights back again. Our defenders are absolute professionals at marking space
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Well just got back to Manchester after a 15 hour day including 10 hours of driving, 1 hour of services stops and 2.5 hours in the pub. The other 90 minutes was easily the worst performance of the season and was an absolute fucking disgrace from the Manager through to all the players. Team selection = v wrong despite seeing some of the logic behind it but we just don't have the luxury of being able to use our squad as it quite patently isn't good enough.
Also have we forgotten how to sing "you're not fit to wear the shirts"?
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The first example of pointing was quality.
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The first example of pointing was quality.
Ooh, ya bastard. You've made me want to watch it now.
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I can see this team dropping straight through the Championship into League One......yes it's that bad!
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I can see this team dropping straight through the Championship into League One......yes it's that bad!
No it isn't.
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This is the third game I've missed home/away for the last three years.
Thank fu*k for that.
Had quite a nice day until I couldn't help myself from logging on to the bbc late this afternoon to find we were 1 down but doing ok. Then 2 down.
I am assuming the reaction on here is much more "honest" than the polite bbc version of events.
I've read the thread throughout and am now slightly more suicidal than I was a few days ago.
Baffled by the team selection but, therefore, not the performance.
Can hardly wait for the joyous 8 hour round trip to Sunderland and back on Saturday.
Have been thinking of getting a couple of needy rescue dogs, or two, for some time.
Now seems about right.
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Does guzan save anything these days? Everything seems to go through him
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To be honest, I get zero pleasure from reading these threads but I have just seen the two goals so needed to vent.
My god the defence is all over the place. For both goals Richards was out of position or Garde has had a brain fart and played him at left back.
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Does guzan save anything these days? Everything seems to go through him
He's dreadful he really is.
Atleast we now know our fate, even the most optimistic amongst now should accept that's it. We've 8 months to prepare for the Championship.
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Just seen the highlights.
Non-existant marking on each goal, Guzan unable to hold onto routine shots from distance, Clark dawdling on the ball and presenting opportunities to the opponents.
Ian Wright and Alan Shearer have got us down as relegation certainties and when you see that they saw you can't really argue.
I had hope of us achieving somethnig after the West Ham game but this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
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If we also, sorry, I mean when we lose to Sunderland, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I would not spend a penny in January. Just save the money, start looking for Championship players who will be battle over a very long season. With the number of matches we will have to play and, the fact that our players go down quicker than a whore and are injured for weeks on end, we are going to need a very big squad indeed. The better players in our current squad will no doubt have release clauses in their contracts and, the rest are definatly not up for the fight that is the Championship. Unless we get the required players I fear for our once great club.
One or two have disagreed with my point of view previously and, in fact pointed out to me that, starting with the West Ham (Reserves) game, we would get at least 7 out of the 9 available points in the 3 matches. I did point out that the problem with that theory was that a team has to be able to score goals to win a match and, I for one, can never see where our next goal is coming from.
As regards to Remi, I initially thought we had at last made the right decision and was really encouraged with his initial team selections. Since then, he has gone down the same path as other managers, by making very weird and, getting more bewildering by the week with his selections. Let's face it, a good percentage of us could not have gotten many less points than Remi at a fraction of his salary (Are you reading this Mr Lerner!!!???)
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It's been many a year since we've had a first choice keeper as poor as Guzan. His release then re-call a month or so later just about sums up the problems at Villa under Lerner. We won't pay the going rate for Premier League footballers which is the cause of our humiliating decline.
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Don't know if I have the stomach to even tune into the Sunderland match. If we thought today's team selection was bad then God forbid on Saturday minus Ayew, Sanchez still, Okore, Westwood.
At least we will have Sissokho back! Oh joy.
i hope I never have to see Clark Bacuna or Richadrson again.
I fear I will be on the 2nd January!
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Shearer summed it up by saying players are cheating when commenting on Richardson just standing there when they scored their second.
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If we also, sorry, I mean when we lose to Sunderland, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I would not spend a penny in January. Just save the money, start looking for Championship players who will be battle over a very long season. With the number of matches we will have to play and, the fact that our players go down quicker than a whore and are injured for weeks on end, we are going to need a very big squad indeed. The better players in our current squad will no doubt have release clauses in their contracts and, the rest are definatly not up for the fight that is the Championship. Unless we get the required players I fear for our once great club.
I don't really see the logic in thinking that the best way to get out of the Championship is to buy Championship players.
Don't you give yourself a better chance by having better players than the other clubs?
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I would not spend a penny in January.
You'll be quite bloated and uncomfortable by the end of next month if you don't. ;)
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For anybody who went what was our fans reaction towards the end to our players and the club etc.pretty poisonous I heard.
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Shearer summed it up by saying players are cheating when commenting on Richardson just standing there when they scored their second.
I'm surprised they laid into Richards as well. He is after all a Proper Football Man. Being English.
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this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
I think it is death by eleven ******.
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this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
I think it is death by eleven c***s.
Very good!!
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this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
I think it is death by eleven c***s.
Very good. What was that you were drinking?
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Shearer summed it up by saying players are cheating when commenting on Richardson just standing there when they scored their second.
I'm surprised they laid into Richards as well. He is after all a Proper Football Man. Being English.
Richards is a shit centre back. Has no positional sense at all, goes chasing around like a fucking Labrador.
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Richards is dire, and an absolute tosser as well. He's already been banned this season after his fuckwittery against Swansea in the tunnel, so on returning and giving a frankly pathetic display, as our captain he apparently thought it would be a good idea to partake in a 5 minute shoveathon, the brain dead moron.
Ayew has the permanent look on his face of not quite believing that he has to play with such a collection of misfits.
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Shearer summed it up by saying players are cheating when commenting on Richardson just standing there when they scored their second.
I'm surprised they laid into Richards as well. He is after all a Proper Football Man. Being English.
Richards is a shit centre back. Has no positional sense at all, goes chasing around like a fucking Labrador.
He is a more athletic Baker they both make last ditch tackles which seem like good defending when the truth is they have to do that to make up for piss poor positional play.
There is a reason no club wanted Micah as a CB ...
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this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
I think it is death by eleven c***s.
Difficult to argue with that. Although there's a even bigger one describing himself as the custodian.
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Richards will be gone in the Summer, he seems to me the sort that will be lining up his own transfer over the next few months. Never captain material.
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this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
I think it is death by eleven c***s.
Difficult to argue with that. Although there's a even bigger one describing himself as the custodian.
No, he's just a naughty boy.
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Shearer summed it up by saying players are cheating when commenting on Richardson just standing there when they scored their second.
I'm surprised they laid into Richards as well. He is after all a Proper Football Man. Being English.
Richards is a shit centre back. Has no positional sense at all, goes chasing around like a fucking Labrador.
I agree but JT was World Class and an even more Proper Football Man.
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Richards is dire, and an absolute tosser as well. He's already been banned this season after his fuckwittery against Swansea in the tunnel, so on returning and giving a frankly pathetic display, as our captain he apparently thought it would be a good idea to partake in a 5 minute shoveathon, the brain dead moron.
Ayew has the permanent look on his face of not quite believing that he has to play with such a collection of misfits.
The seeds were sewn that he is a complete twunt when he suggested the new French manager be more English
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Shearer summed it up by saying players are cheating when commenting on Richardson just standing there when they scored their second.
I'm surprised they laid into Richards as well. He is after all a Proper Football Man. Being English.
Richards is a shit centre back. Has no positional sense at all, goes chasing around like a fucking Labrador.
The did one good thing all game and that was a run down the right barging past defenders and getting a cross in, he's a fucking right back in every sense of the word, why can only we see it?
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Richards will be gone in the Summer, he seems to me the sort that will be lining up his own transfer over the next few months. Never captain material.
Indeed - he needs to hope the Play Off winner from the 2nd Tier hasn't seen him play since 2008.
We need someone to think the same of Gabby
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I can see this team dropping straight through the Championship into League One......yes it's that bad!
No it isn't.
I think it very much depends on how we handle relegation to be honest Dave. If relegation is the signal for the owner down to players to lose any of the seemingly remote interest they have left, then we could well enter free fall. As it stands, I'm not sure we would currently beat any of the sides in the top six of that league.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
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The seeds were sewn that he is a complete twunt when...
He likes the needle.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
Haven't won 3 league games in a row for 5 and a half years. Give it up, it's not going to happen.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
I can't see us beating anyone in this league.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
Haven't won 3 league games in a row for 5 and a half years. Give it up, it's not going to happen.
Fuck me that's a stat!
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
[/quoteFor some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
No its not going to happen on account of us being horribly, woefully shit.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
Haven't won 3 league games in a row for 5 and a half years. Give it up, it's not going to happen.
Fuck me that's a stat!
April 2010
Portsmouth 2-1
Hull 2-0
Rags 1-0
5 years and 8 months ago. Pathetic.
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Paulie,
You are missing the point I'm trying to make. I don't necessarily mean players that are already in the Championship. I mean players, from whatever division that are deemed good enough, play with a desire to win and, be willing to sweat blood for the Claret & Blue. Whilst, we would all love top quality players to come in, with the present set up at the top etc., who do you think would want to come to us?
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Shearer summed it up by saying players are cheating when commenting on Richardson just standing there when they scored their second.
I'm surprised they laid into Richards as well. He is after all a Proper Football Man. Being English.
Richards is a shit centre back. Has no positional sense at all, goes chasing around like a fucking Labrador.
I was going to say almost the same thing- he has the positional discipline of a cocker spaniel.i have no idea why anybody ever thought he would be a good centre half. Unless my ailing memory is wrong again, he was a full back at Man City and has no pedigree at centre half.
I get the fact we have shit players, but what i absolutely can't forgive is the lack of resilience and mental strength. Our recruitment last summer in that respect was negligent.
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Gardner was a star for Forest in the Championship but would he stay fit? Let's hope Gabby has a relegation clause in his latest contract as we won't be shipping him out any time soon and it's wages like his that will hinder us. Who is going to buy our failing players if we go down? We're stuck with 80% of them in the Championship whatever.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
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I can see this team dropping straight through the Championship into League One......yes it's that bad!
No it isn't.
We don't know yet, but this argument will be settled very easily next season.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
Yep, but the likes of Hutton, Westwood and Bacuna are all sitting on lengthy contracts.
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Hutton signed a 3 year contract last season, not really lengthy. If we put Westwood up for sale we'd sell him easily Ireckon, plus I doubt he's on much having come from Crewe. The 3 of them combined are probably not on much more a week than Zog is on, maybe even less.
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Not having a go at you ROBBO but if I have to live with any more of this "Traore is not anything more than a half decent prospect" and "he has to be eased into the team little by little" and even my friend BE commenting "why didn't we win we had Traore on for 30 minutes" I shall conclude my interest in football. It took 2,000 of us, not just me, stupid old Brian, screaming for him to come on before Garde got the message. When he came on he went right side. Where did the next series 3-4-5 Guzan kicks go? Down the left. Traore had their defenders beaten every time he ran at them and every cross he put in could have been doubled in number by lumps like Hutton and Gestede giving him accurate returns. Compared with the likes of Guzan, Westwood, Richardson, Bacuna, Richards, Gestede, Sinclair, Hutton and Clark, Adama Traore is a towering giant. To even have to put the case for him playing is symptomatic of how sick we are.
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I know it was a bit of a pisstake but I saw him getting past men and crossing the ball into dangerous areas against West Ham. To no avail. Then I saw him come on and do similar for longer. To no avail.
I can only conclude that he now needs to start because some of the other choices would stink out a game of Hungry Hippos so let's see more of him.
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Bloody disgraceful. Nothing else to say, I can't be bothered wasting my energy and anger.
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Didn't Bennett sign an extension before going on loan?
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this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
I think it is death by eleven c***s.
Very good!!
this season really is a death by a thousand cuts.
I think it is death by eleven c***s.
Very good. What was that you were drinking?
Very good humour. The situation the club is in my s not funny.
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Didn't Bennett sign an extension before going on loan?
built an extension more like and probably in the neighbours garden by mistake
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To reach even 38 points (which might still not be safety) would require top 6 form in the second half of the season. That would require some pretty dramatic signings which to be honest wouldn't make business sense and there is nothing in Lerners behaviour of the last 5 years to make that remotely likely. I know there are still some brave (or deluded) fans out there but we're down and deserve to be. I remember reading comments on the BBC forum to the effect of what's the point of Aston villa they've been shit for years and feeling it was unfair. It was but not any more
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Not having a go at you ROBBO but if I have to live with any more of this "Traore is not anything more than a half decent prospect" and "he has to be eased into the team little by little" and even my friend BE commenting "why didn't we win we had Traore on for 30 minutes" I shall conclude my interest in football. It took 2,000 of us, not just me, stupid old Brian, screaming for him to come on before Garde got the message. When he came on he went right side. Where did the next series 3-4-5 Guzan kicks go? Down the left. Traore had their defenders beaten every time he ran at them and every cross he put in could have been doubled in number by lumps like Hutton and Gestede giving him accurate returns. Compared with the likes of Guzan, Westwood, Richardson, Bacuna, Richards, Gestede, Sinclair, Hutton and Clark, Adama Traore is a towering giant. To even have to put the case for him playing is symptomatic of how sick we are.
Well said mate.
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Didn't Bennett sign an extension before going on loan?
As did Baker.It's not all lost just yet then.
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I've watched the replay of Norwich's first goal about 100 times now, and I still can't work-out how the back 4 got into the shape it did, both individually and collectively. To a man they were all out of position and Richard's body-shape was the kind of thing you'd be hauled-off at half-time whilst playing for your school-team for.
I keep hear people absolving Garde of any blame because "he can't do anything else with the players" but I don't believe it. For all of Gabby's faults I refuse to believe that he couldn't contribute more to the current plight than Scott Sinclair, at least as an option from the bench. From what I've seen I also refuse to believe that Crespo wouldn't be a better option at left-back from Bacuna. The current refusal to start with either Gil or Grealish is also baffling when game-after-game we continue to fail to create any notable chances.
Not starting with Gestede yesterday was also odd, given the fact that we kept hitting long balls up to Ayew and Sinclair and also were heavily reliant on hopeful crosses into the box. Even not bringing him on at the same time as Traore struck me as being a bit stupid.
I've see absolutely nothing as of yet to justify replacing Sherwood with him, and the cost that would have incurred.
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Watching Richards look directly at the totally unmarked bloke who will score 3 seconds later and then do some sort of slippy/ducking movement as the ball loops over him and drops to be volleyed home says everything we need to know about how this going to end.
There was however some very firm pointing, sometimes team pointing at times so not all is lost.
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We need to get Nigel Pearson in the window, he is the only manager who can get the team fit. I am hopeful we can do this so I reckon we are just 'fucked'
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We need to get Nigel Pearson in the window, he is the only manager who can get the team fit. I am hopeful we can do this so I reckon we are just 'fucked'
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense.
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Travelling from Manchesrer to Norwich meant we endured a 15 hour day to watch the most gutless clueless display of the season.
For me the clear out should start now. Hutton, Westwood, Richardson,Clark, Gana arent good enough.
Richards must be shifted to right back.
Okore and Lescott centre backs.
I'd even be tempted to re-instate Gabby on the left hand side of midfield. At least his runs move defenders out of position.
Roll on another 12 hour day at Sunderland!!!!!
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I have seen nothing yet at any level of the club that makes me think we'll do well in the Championship next season. I fear our decline will continue.
I agree...none of this lot are cut out for the Championship. Even more so when you factor in the amount of Midland Derbies there could be next year; games that always require additional spirit & guts...Blues, Wolves, Derby, Forest, Walsall, Burton & Coventry possibly.
I suspect Garde will be fired or resign in the summer or 10 games in next season & we will end up with a 'promotion specialist', (Pearson, McCarthy) to get us back up.
Very tough times ahead.
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I've watched the replay of Norwich's first goal about 100 times now, and I still can't work-out how the back 4 got into the shape it did, both individually and collectively. To a man they were all out of position and Richard's body-shape was the kind of thing you'd be hauled-off at half-time whilst playing for your school-team for.
I keep hear people absolving Garde of any blame because "he can't do anything else with the players" but I don't believe it. For all of Gabby's faults I refuse to believe that he couldn't contribute more to the current plight than Scott Sinclair, at least as an option from the bench. From what I've seen I also refuse to believe that Crespo wouldn't be a better option at left-back from Bacuna. The current refusal to start with either Gil or Grealish is also baffling when game-after-game we continue to fail to create any notable chances.
Not starting with Gestede yesterday was also odd, given the fact that we kept hitting long balls up to Ayew and Sinclair and also were heavily reliant on hopeful crosses into the box. Even not bringing him on at the same time as Traore struck me as being a bit stupid.
I've see absolutely nothing as of yet to justify replacing Sherwood with him, and the cost that would have incurred.
What about Hutton's contribution for their 2nd? He is constantly making ricks that cost us goals. As does Guzan, Sanchez,Richards,Bacuna& Richardson. Move Richards to right back where positioning is much easier. The rest can go. Along with at least half a dozen more.
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Well their first was so similar to the Newcastle goal .....But I have decided there is no point in poking more sticks into this dead body called the Villa team these days. Just want this season to be over as soon as possible but there are 5 months of misery still to face so I will have to man up to that! Fuck em all I say!
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What about Hutton's contribution for their 2nd? He is constantly making ricks that cost us goals. As does Guzan, Sanchez,Richards,Bacuna& Richardson. Move Richards to right back where positioning is much easier. The rest can go. Along with at least half a dozen more.
Hutton tucks in towards his centre-backs when we haven't got the ball so frequently that I can only assume that he's under instruction to do so. Either that, or he's so mistrusting of his centre-backs that he feels the need to do so. Either-way it's a problem.
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What about Hutton's contribution for their 2nd? He is constantly making ricks that cost us goals. As does Guzan, Sanchez,Richards,Bacuna& Richardson. Move Richards to right back where positioning is much easier. The rest can go. Along with at least half a dozen more.
Hutton tucks in towards his centre-backs when we haven't got the ball so frequently that I can only assume that he's under instruction to do so. Either that, or he's so mistrusting of his centre-backs that he feels the need to do so. Either-way it's a problem.
Or he's just fucking useless.
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The wobbling back slowly that Richardson did when he was supposed to be tracking the goalscorer is so unbelievably bad
I would just throw his training kit out of the window at BH pay him up and tell him to fuck off
we would be better of without having him around at all
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Fair play to you all for having the stamina for this eternal post-mortem on almost every thread. I'm too worn down to post much but I appreciate having something to read.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
Nzogbia and Bennett would be OK players to have in the championship I think.
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What about Hutton's contribution for their 2nd? He is constantly making ricks that cost us goals. As does Guzan, Sanchez,Richards,Bacuna& Richardson. Move Richards to right back where positioning is much easier. The rest can go. Along with at least half a dozen more.
Hutton tucks in towards his centre-backs when we haven't got the ball so frequently that I can only assume that he's under instruction to do so. Either that, or he's so mistrusting of his centre-backs that he feels the need to do so. Either-way it's a problem.
Or he's just fucking useless.
His rise and fall under Lambert will always rank as one of the most bizarre episodes (and there were a few) in that particular chapter. But, yeah, the bottom line is that he's not particularly good, but does (usually at least) put a shift in.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
Nzogbia and Bennett would be OK players to have in the championship I think.
N'Zogbia can't be arsed to put a shift in whilst he's on (reportedly) £65k a week. Can you honestly see him accepting his contracted pay-cut with a smile and pulling his socks up to help us get out of The Championship?!?
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Nzogbia playing for us in the Championship? What have we done to deserve that?
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What about Hutton's contribution for their 2nd? He is constantly making ricks that cost us goals. As does Guzan, Sanchez,Richards,Bacuna& Richardson. Move Richards to right back where positioning is much easier. The rest can go. Along with at least half a dozen more.
Hutton tucks in towards his centre-backs when we haven't got the ball so frequently that I can only assume that he's under instruction to do so. Either that, or he's so mistrusting of his centre-backs that he feels the need to do so. Either-way it's a problem.
Or he's just fucking useless.
His rise and fall under Lambert will always rank as one of the most bizarre episodes (and there were a few) in that particular chapter. But, yeah, the bottom line is that he's not particularly good, but does (usually at least) put a shift in.
Microcosm of how the club has been on the whole. No overall or long term planning, just ill-thought out impluse decision making. He was garbage in his first season, rightly dropped from the squad, somehow came back in and was immediately awarded a new contract on the back of a few half decent performances.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
Nzogbia and Bennett would be OK players to have in the championship I think.
I never want to see him in an Aston Villa shirt again. The amount he has given in relation to the amount has taken from the club is bordering on criminal. File him alongside Habib Beye and Stephen Ireland.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
Nzogbia and Bennett would be OK players to have in the championship I think.
I never want to see him in an Aston Villa shirt again. The amount he has given in relation to the amount has taken from the club is bordering on criminal. File him alongside Habib Beye and Stephen Ireland.
N'Zogbia can fuck right off - all time lazy twunt.
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My Naarwich mate who is a ST holder said we didn't look bothered, no fight and bad body language. That's was the players and the management. Also said both teams were shit.
Fate accepted.
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Didn't someone say Fox intimated at the AVST meeting that the players had almost given up and only Ayew and Veretout, 2 young lads who barely speak English in their first season away from home, they were the only ones trying to keep the group together.
If true, speaks volumes about Guzan, Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Clark and Hutton. Experienced players who should be dying for the cause but couldn't give a shit about Aston Villa and have no heart.
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Hutton is good with the younger players was mentioned in that meeting.
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If anyone wants a small protest, we could start with not all getting up when the players come out for the start of the match and, just sit quietly. You see, I have never understood why a bunch of people who can't even be arsed to do the basics, like chasing balls down, putting the opponents under any pressure etc (basically taking the piss with us long suffering supporters) . can get a standing ovation from us when they seem to give very little in return. Keep the standing ovations until the end of their performance just like any other form of entertainment.
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My Naarwich mate who is a ST holder said we didn't look bothered, no fight and bad body language. That's was the players and the management. Also said both teams were shit.
Fate accepted.
I watched the game on TV and , IMHO, your Naarwich mate is talking nonsense. There was no apparent lack of commitment ( as proven by the end-of-game bust up )...confidence, yes, quality, sometimes. Villa pressed for most of the game and the scoreline was not a true reflection of the game in general, as their Manager admitted afterwards. That said, Naarwich were pretty poor , which in itself speaks volumes. Our lack of confidence really showed in the final pass or when a shooting opportunity presented itself. The lack of quality was mainly in Defence, Hutton is erratic and Bacuna ( or K.Richards) both have delusions of adequacy.
The Times best sums up our performance ( such as it was ):
" Once again, Villa showed glimpses of promise but they remain hugely vulnerable at the back. Each and every time Norwich moved down the flanks, those in claret and blue shuffled around nervously without actually doing much at all" .
One question, were Okore & Lescott omitted due to the F.A's bookings amnesty?, I note that both Ayew & Westwood will miss the Sunderland game.
We go again.....................Godzvilla!
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We need to get Nigel Pearson in the window, he is the only manager who can get the team fit. I am hopeful we can do this so I reckon we are just 'fucked'
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense.
Yeah, but it would be funny to see all our psychologically damaged players in floods of tears within 10 seconds of Pearson opening his gob. Bless.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
Nzogbia and Bennett would be OK players to have in the championship I think.
I never want to see him in an Aston Villa shirt again. The amount he has given in relation to the amount has taken from the club is bordering on criminal. File him alongside Habib Beye and Stephen Ireland.
N'Zogbia can fuck right off - all time lazy twunt.
Absolutley agree on the N'zogbia comment, but to be fair to him, he hasn't contributed to our position this season.
He is as much to blame as Bennett, Senderos and Gardner.
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At least Nzogbia, Cole, Bennett, Senderos and Richardson are all out of contract the end of the season.
Nzogbia and Bennett would be OK players to have in the championship I think.
I never want to see him in an Aston Villa shirt again. The amount he has given in relation to the amount has taken from the club is bordering on criminal. File him alongside Habib Beye and Stephen Ireland.
N'Zogbia can fuck right off - all time lazy twunt.
Absolutley agree on the N'zogbia comment, but to be fair to him, he hasn't contributed to our position this season.
He is as much to blame as Bennett, Senderos and Gardner.
Although they haven't been given an opportunity to contribute, whereas he has...
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Hutton is good with the younger players was mentioned in that meeting.
Not as good as Steven Fry though :)
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My Naarwich mate who is a ST holder said we didn't look bothered, no fight and bad body language. That's was the players and the management. Also said both teams were shit.
Fate accepted.
I know two people who work for Villa, one is a fan and she is so loyal she will not say a word about what goes on behind the scenes bless her but the other said three weeks ago that relegation is generally accepted as inevitable at VP by all the staff. He also knew one of the junior fitness coaches under Lambert and the idiocy of what went on made me cringe. This isn't any form of ITK just general chat from a bloke I know well.
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My Naarwich mate who is a ST holder said we didn't look bothered, no fight and bad body language. That's was the players and the management. Also said both teams were shit.
Fate accepted.
I watched the game on TV and , IMHO, your Naarwich mate is talking nonsense. There was no apparent lack of commitment ( as proven by the end-of-game bust up )...confidence, yes, quality, sometimes. Villa pressed for most of the game and the scoreline was not a true reflection of the game in general, as their Manager admitted afterwards. That said, Naarwich were pretty poor , which in itself speaks volumes. Our lack of confidence really showed in the final pass or when a shooting opportunity presented itself. The lack of quality was mainly in Defence, Hutton is erratic and Bacuna ( or K.Richards) both have delusions of adequacy.
The Times best sums up our performance ( such as it was ):
" Once again, Villa showed glimpses of promise but they remain hugely vulnerable at the back. Each and every time Norwich moved down the flanks, those in claret and blue shuffled around nervously without actually doing much at all" .
One question, were Okore & Lescott omitted due to the F.A's bookings amnesty?, I note that both Ayew & Westwood will miss the Sunderland game.
We go again.....................Godzvilla!
I'd agree with that , we were the better team for 25 mins or so but as always looked dodgy everytime they attacked.The goal killed us , going behind for the 3rd time in 3 matches was too much for lot of them.The defence was bag of nerves Clark was dodgy all game ,almost letting them through to score with more dwelling on the ball and was lucky to make a saving tackle.Hutton runs and runs but just lacks quality and Richards is a headless chicken.
Game was very poor but they have better quality in defence and more strength all over the pitch.
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blame game for the goals
goal 1 - Richards primarily, lazy useless defending. turned around in a circle and fell on his arse for a finish. captain fantastic. Guzan should be saving that shot too
goal 2 - all the back five were individually and collectively awful. Clark beaten in the air for the kick out, Hutton woeful touch to lose the ball, Richards putting zero pressure on Hoolahan so he has loads of time to pick out the forward, ridiculous arms behind his back lark too, Clark not tracking the run and being touch tight to the forward, Richardson not tracking or doing anything, Guzan beaten at his near post
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blame game for the goals
goal 1 - Richards primarily, lazy useless defending. turned around in a circle and fell on his arse for a finish. captain fantastic. Guzan should be saving that shot too
goal 2 - all the back five were individually and collectively awful. Clark beaten in the air for the kick out, Hutton woeful touch to lose the ball, Richards putting zero pressure on Hoolahan so he has loads of time to pick out the forward, ridiculous arms behind his back lark too, Clark not tracking the run and being touch tight to the forward, Richardson not tracking or doing anything, Guzan beaten at his near post
Just raised the courage to watch the highlights on AVTV and the only reason we lost that game was the above. The sooner we clear out this rotten defence the sooner confidence will build in the rest of the team.
Can't believe Richards is saying we need to be more ruthless when we are on top. Stop the offing goals going in and we might have a chance you idiot!
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blame game for the goals
goal 1 - Richards primarily, lazy useless defending. turned around in a circle and fell on his arse for a finish. captain fantastic. Guzan should be saving that shot too
goal 2 - all the back five were individually and collectively awful. Clark beaten in the air for the kick out, Hutton woeful touch to lose the ball, Richards putting zero pressure on Hoolahan so he has loads of time to pick out the forward, ridiculous arms behind his back lark too, Clark not tracking the run and being touch tight to the forward, Richardson not tracking or doing anything, Guzan beaten at his near post
Just raised the courage to watch the highlights on AVTV and the only reason we lost that game was the above. The sooner we clear out this rotten defence the sooner confidence will build in the rest of the team.
Can't believe Richards is saying we need to be more ruthless when we are on top. Stop the offing goals going in and we might have a chance you idiot!
It was an awful game in fairness scrappy no quality and poor passing , they had much better defending and thats why they won.
Just don't understand how year after year we have such shit defenders at the club
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leaving the game a smiling steward said to me good luck in the Championship next season.....I replied "yeah cheers..see you next season then" ...
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The Doc
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F*cked? Cattle trucked. Playing Grimsby and Bury can be great fun. Villa fams just want to win. On that basis Tommy Doc was a villa great. Took us from 2nd to 3rd and back to first. Brilliant. Have a few kids and give them half a century of success.
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F*cked? Cattle trucked. Playing Grimsby and Bury can be great fun. Villa fams just want to win. On that basis Tommy Doc was a villa great. Took us from 2nd to 3rd and back to first. Brilliant. Have a few kids and give them half a century of success.
Tommy Doc was sacked Brian late 69 ? ..shame you forgot that great Villa man Vic Crowe...:)
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The Doc
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F*cked? Cattle trucked. Playing Grimsby and Bury can be great fun. Villa fams just want to win. On that basis Tommy Doc was a villa great. Took us from 2nd to 3rd and back to first. Brilliant. Have a few kids and give them half a century of success.
Tommy Doc was sacked Brian late 69 ? ..shame you forgot that great Villa man Vic Crowe...:)
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The Doc
And Ron Saunders.
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I'm like the rest of you we are sh*t and it's painful to watch I just wish there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
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F*cked? Cattle trucked. Playing Grimsby and Bury can be great fun. Villa fams just want to win. On that basis Tommy Doc was a villa great. Took us from 2nd to 3rd and back to first. Brilliant. Have a few kids and give them half a century of success.
Tommy Doc was sacked Brian late 69 ? ..shame you forgot that great Villa man Vic Crowe...:)
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The Doc
And Ron Saunders.
I obviously really loved what Sir Ron achieved down the Villa when he was our manager...but I still feel that rise to our subsequent success began with Vic...sounds like I actually knew him like Harry Parkes, Eric Houghton etc..I didn't I would of loved to of heard their stories about the Villa.
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The Doc.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
I've been thinking the same, but that really needed to happen during the course of Norwich / Newcastle / Watford games.
It really is too late now.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
I've been thinking the same, but that really needed to happen during the course of Norwich / Newcastle / Watford games.
It really is too late now.
We're gonna take 35 out of the 60 available. I believe!!!
Be back in a minute jusht gotta get more Stella from the fridge.
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For some reason I keep thinking that at some point things will change, we'll get a bit of luck and go on a run of three or four decent results. It's not going to happen is it? We may not win another game all season.
I've been thinking the same, but that really needed to happen during the course of Norwich / Newcastle / Watford games.
It really is too late now.
We're gonna take 35 out of the 60 available. I believe!!!
Be back in a minute jusht gotta get more Stella from the fridge.
I've run out :-/
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We need to get Nigel Pearson in the window, he is the only manager who can get the team fit. I am hopeful we can do this so I reckon we are just 'fucked'
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense.
Yeah, but it would be funny to see all our psychologically damaged players in floods of tears within 10 seconds of Pearson opening his gob. Bless.
His legacy is a team at the top of the prem, and they were in the same boat as us last season, oh well each to their own.
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We need someone who takes no shit and knows the Championship. I don't think Garde has either of these qualities - I may be wrong - but I'd be happier going into next season knowing that our manager has got the total respect of the players, and that he's not venturing into unchartered territory.
By the way, I'm not saying Pearson is that man...I'd prefer Sean Dyche.
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Pearson evidently had the correct pieces of the puzzle at his disposal. In no way can I imagine our lot atop this league in twelve months time, even under some Ferguardinho hybrid, should it ever exist.
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I'm like the rest of you we are sh*t and it's painful to watch I just wish there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
Understand the pain Darren but please cut out the foul language.
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I'm like the rest of you we are sh*t and it's painful to watch I just wish there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
Understand the pain Darren but please cut out the foul language.
I'm missing the joke on this one?
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We need someone who takes no shit and knows the Championship. I don't think Garde has either of these qualities - I may be wrong - but I'd be happier going into next season knowing that our manager has got the total respect of the players, and that he's not venturing into unchartered territory.
By the way, I'm not saying Pearson is that man...I'd prefer Sean Dyche.
Unfortunately I have a funny feeling that Mr D will be taking Burnley up as we take their place. :(
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I would be ok with Sean Dyche if a contract for him include mandatory use of throat lozenges.
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I would be ok with Sean Dyche if a contract for him include mandatory use of throat lozenges.
And surgical removal of that black raincoat that he never appears to be out of.
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Any new manager is a complete waste of time whilst we have Lerner in charge - it's just a sticking plaster to disguise the much deeper malaise the club is in. This man has transformed our club into a complete shambles and the butt of most other fans' jokes
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We need someone who takes no shit and knows the Championship. I don't think Garde has either of these qualities - I may be wrong - but I'd be happier going into next season knowing that our manager has got the total respect of the players, and that he's not venturing into unchartered territory.
By the way, I'm not saying Pearson is that man...I'd prefer Sean Dyche.
I'd say it looks like Garde doesn't take much shit, just look how he's isolated Gabby and N'Zog. I don't think writing him off just because he hasn't managed in the Championship is a particularly good idea either.
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We need someone who takes no shit and knows the Championship. I don't think Garde has either of these qualities - I may be wrong - but I'd be happier going into next season knowing that our manager has got the total respect of the players, and that he's not venturing into unchartered territory.
By the way, I'm not saying Pearson is that man...I'd prefer Sean Dyche.
I'd say it looks like Garde doesn't take much shit, just look how he's isolated Gabby and N'Zog. I don't think writing him off just because he hasn't managed in the Championship is a particularly good idea either.
He's also isolated Kozak.
I don't think the ability to isolate players is the marque of good management.
If it were, Lambert would be winning leagues.
I am not defending agbonlahor or n'zogbia in any way whatsoever btw.
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Any new manager is a complete waste of time whilst we have Lerner in charge - it's just a sticking plaster to disguise the much deeper malaise the club is in. This man has transformed our club into a complete shambles and the butt of most other fans' jokes
Spot on.