Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: treeve1 on December 19, 2015, 08:48:10 PM
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I was 6/7 years old when we got relegated last time and so don't remember too much about it, for those that remember though, how does this shower compare? Also, we bounced straight back the year after in 87/88, do you think we have as a good a chance next year?
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We haven't gone down yet !
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We haven't gone down yet !
and wont
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We won 7 of our 21 home games that season. Compared to 0 of how many so far?
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This feels more of a hopeless cause if im honest.
In 86/87 we knew we were in trouble at Christmas. This year it's well beyond that.
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The only reason i asked is because I have no memory of when we were last in this position, I hope more than anyone that we escape but i am also a realist....I am already mentally into next year. Also, I have a little boy, 4 years old, I would love to start taking him to the villa to begin his journey but we are so useless, taking him to VP is fairly worthless at the moment. I think his time will begin in the champ though, like mine did when I was 7/8 back in the day. My first football memory is being on holiday stood next to my dad on the pay phone in Spain finding out we had drawn with swindon 0-0, but because Middlesborough hadn't won or something like that, we went up. That day was mega and lives on in the memory. My dad passed away recently and I'm just wondering where mine and my son's journey starts....and thus I'd rather morbidly like to compare today's vintage with that on 86/87. History seems to be repeating itself.
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You're lad will go anywhere you take him trust me..my daughter cannot wait to come with me to Sunderland despite not seeing them win for over a year and living and going to school with Liverpool and Everton fans
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We won 7 of our 21 home games that season. Compared to 0 of how many so far?
Pretty good summary Chris. That team looked good on paper but was shit on the pitch. This version is worse.
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I'm 38 this is the worst team I can remember and the worst I've watched if 86/87 was worse then I feel for whoever was there
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The 86-87 team had enough quality - lots of current and future internationals, current and future trophy winners when they were harder to come by prior to Sky's Big 4-5 Oligopoly.
This team has less quality.
That team started the season with a manager who was hopelessly out of his depth but had integrity. Followed by a total c==t who didn't give a shit despite being one of the most celebrated football persons in Britain.
This team started the season with a manager who was hopelessly out of his depth and an egomaniac. hopefully this is followed by someone who can lay significant foundations for the future should the worse happen
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It's interesting that we were better back then but the crowds were smaller. We're getting better crowds this time even though the results are worse and tickets more expensive even factoring in inflation.
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I'd agree that this side is probably worse than the last relegation on paper at least.. Dorigo, Keown, Elliot Evans Spink just in the defence. Frightening thing is of the 14 players who played the majority of the games that season, only 6 did the same in the promotion season. We're are going to need a similar massive turnover of players arriving/leaving to be a competitive side in the championship
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I was only six at the time, and have only seen brief highlight ;) so I'm not the best to ask. But I can't think it would be as a bad as now. Also I am guessing than the foundations were stronger in order for the club to bource straight back.
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I was only six at the time, and have only seen brief highlight ;) so I'm not the best to ask. But I can't think it would be as a bad as now. Also I am guessing than the foundations were stronger in order for the club to bource straight back.
The foundations were nowhere near as strong then as now. There was barely a player good enough who wasn't either transfer-listed or in the last year of their contract, training was barely existent and the youth set-up appalling. There was only one reason why we came straight back up.
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Imagine how the poor sods felt the first time we were relegated having seen us in our pomp and majesty.
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It's interesting that we were better back then but the crowds were smaller. We're getting better crowds this time even though the results are worse and tickets more expensive even factoring in inflation.
Crowds were pretty low for everyone around about that time, only Liverpool & Utd were constantly getting close to full houses at the time from memory.
Last game of the season at Highbury struggled to get 18k if my memory is correct .
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I started going down the Villa that season and although I have wiped most of it from the memory banks I would say that team was better than this team.
Can't see many of us bemoaning any rats that jump ship this summer. Non of them would set the world on fire in the premiership.
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It's interesting that we were better back then but the crowds were smaller. We're getting better crowds this time even though the results are worse and tickets more expensive even factoring in inflation.
Crowds were pretty low for everyone around about that time, only Liverpool & Utd were constantly getting close to full houses at the time from memory.
Last game of the season at Highbury struggled to get 18k if my memory is correct .
You were also dodging "firms" fists and coins. It's a family game now.
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The biggest difference I can see is that in 87 we got worse and worse to the point of total disintegration. There was no strategy. This time we have a strategy; it probably won't affect the outcome of this season but we are less likely to go right off a cliff. If we hadn't appointed SGT we could easily have done a Wolves and gone right through the divisions.
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It's interesting that we were better back then but the crowds were smaller. We're getting better crowds this time even though the results are worse and tickets more expensive even factoring in inflation.
Crowds were pretty low for everyone around about that time, only Liverpool & Utd were constantly getting close to full houses at the time from memory.
Last game of the season at Highbury struggled to get 18k if my memory is correct .
You were also dodging "firms" fists and coins. It's a family game now.
And the old bill.
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The manager who took us down had a statue to himself unveiled at Celtic on Saturday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/35145574?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport
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I had Hope back then, this time I don't really have any hope that we will stay up.
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The 86/87 team was terrible. Looked good on paper - Keown, Dorigo and Elliott were all highly rated defenders yet our defence was a shambles most weeks. The current team isn't good defensively and isn't free scoring but it isn't being thrashed every week. This is what I'm hanging onto. If we find two players in January, one who can tighten us up at the back, and one who can add goals to the team, there's a glimmer of hope, albeit a faintly flickering one. If we could just get one win it could boost confidence no end, for the fans as well as the team.
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We haven't gone down yet !
and wont
That eggnog must be pretty good.
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I was only six at the time, and have only seen brief highlight ;) so I'm not the best to ask. But I can't think it would be as a bad as now. Also I am guessing than the foundations were stronger in order for the club to bource straight back.
The foundations were nowhere near as strong then as now. There was barely a player good enough who wasn't either transfer-listed or in the last year of their contract, training was barely existent and the youth set-up appalling. There was only one reason why we came straight back up.
You're right that SGT was the one and only reason we came back up.
Equally, I think you're overly positive about the current structure. Broadly the same training facilities and methods have been in place for some time, the recruitment 'team' have hardly covered themselves in glory and the youth set up have produced Grealish and little else.
Maybe you're closer to what's happening on the ground and that insight gives you confidence, but from what we see on the pitch from the stands, I'd say we're a worse squad than 86/87.
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I was too young to fully understand this season as well...my first league games with my Dad came in the next year.
I have often wondered why Kevin Poole was brought in for the last games of this, and the previous season... Did he help keep us up in 85/86? I think the form improved then. Was Spink dropped or injured?
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Who's going to stop us going down to League 1 this time?
Not convinced it will be Garde.
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The Grauniad remembers the last time
http://www.theguardian.com/football/that-1980s-sports-blog/2015/dec/31/aston-villa-relegation-1987-european-cup
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The Grauniad remembers the last time
http://www.theguardian.com/football/that-1980s-sports-blog/2015/dec/31/aston-villa-relegation-1987-european-cup
God, that brings back some memories, completely forgotten about Paul Kerr, still one of my favourite kits, even though it was controversially unconventional at the time.
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The Grauniad remembers the last time
http://www.theguardian.com/football/that-1980s-sports-blog/2015/dec/31/aston-villa-relegation-1987-european-cup
God, that brings back some memories, completely forgotten about Paul Kerr, still one of my favourite kits, even though it was controversially unconventional at the time.
I'd forgotten that Walters missed much of the season too.
Speedie was exactly the type of nasty fucker we could have done with.
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Who's going to stop us going down to League 1 this time?
Not convinced it will be Garde.
It doesn't have so be, so please, less of the hyperbolistic nonsense.
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Who's going to stop us going down to League 1 this time?
Not convinced it will be Garde.
It doesn't have so be, so please, less of the hyperbolistic nonsense.
Perhaps it is over the top but do you honestly think our decline will end with relegation this season or will the club "bounce back" next season?
You know it wasn't so long ago many on here were responding to fans relegation fears with the "hyperbole" retort. Do you trust the club to turn it around?
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Who's going to stop us going down to League 1 this time?
Not convinced it will be Garde.
Perhaps it is over the top but do you honestly think our decline will end with relegation this season or will the club "bounce back" next season?
You know it wasn't so long ago many on here were responding to fans relegation fears with the "hyperbole" retort. Do you trust the club to turn it around?
It doesn't have so be, so please, less of the hyperbolistic nonsense.
I don't know what next season will bring, no idea who will still be here, so I'm making no predictions but I do know that saying the current squad would go down again is absolutely ridiculous.
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At least we don't have to worry about having our good players poached.
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At least we don't have to worry about having our good players poached.
We've got one or two decent ones. Ayew looks good at least.
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At least we don't have to worry about having our good players poached.
We've got one or two decent ones. Ayew looks good at least.
It wouldn't bother me if every single one of them never played for us again, Ayew has done well but I have no affinity with any of them, they just remind me of the least enjoyable time of my life as a Villa fan.
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This is worse.
Low point of 86/87 for me was Charlton away at Selhurst Park, 3-0 humping, we were abysmal, sadly we look as bad as that week in week out right now.
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At least we don't have to worry about having our good players poached.
We've got one or two decent ones. Ayew looks good at least.
It wouldn't bother me if every single one of them never played for us again, Ayew has done well but I have no affinity with any of them, they just remind me of the least enjoyable time of my life as a Villa fan.
I agree with that but unfortunately we've been replacing our better players with poorer ones for the last five and a half years, so imagine the crap we'd replace this motley crew with.