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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: John Mitchell on December 14, 2015, 07:06:32 PM
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Nothing to gain by being cautious now, so I would like to see us go for it over the next few games. Our full backs without Amavi are not really at the races so I would do something like the below. Getsede should be a last ditch hoof it only option.
Bunn
Okore-Lescott-Richards
Gil-Sanchez-Veretout-Traore
Grealish
Sinclair-Ayew
That's my two penny's worth anyway!
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A bit too defensive.
Maybe Kozak, Gestede and Gabby at centre-back?
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That's like a Sherwood team
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At 2-0 down on Sunday, three at the back would have been worth trying
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That's like a Sherwood team
We could do with a bit of pre bonkers Sherwood to kick start the season. And then hand off to Garde to maintain it. If only football management worked like that.
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Got to get both Gil and Traore in the starting eleven. At least it'll get us on our feet.
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I'm not sure it will make any difference now in what formation we lay out the deckchairs on the Titanic, sadly.
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Why lescott? And that central midfield will get overrun. All for attacking intent but we are desperately missing fighters in midfield. Problem is we ain't got a single one. This time next week it will all be over
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I've no problem with that team - we've won once all season FFS so anything is worth a try when you need some wins. Sure it looks lightweight in midfield but what exactly have we been so far this season!
I reckon we'll create a lot more chances with that team atleast.
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Leicester won just 2 league games in their first 19 games last season so it's not impossibe for us to stay in this league. It ain't over yet.
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
Oh, that's put a downer on that then. I only posted it because I heard it on 5Live this evening.
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If you play 3 at the back, you have to play 2 wing backs, otherwise you will be taken apart. I am fine with the wing backs being more attacking type but they have to be able to track back effectively.
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
Oh, that's put a downer on that then. I only posted it because I heard it on 5Live this evening.
It still shows that it is far from a lost cause though.
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
Oh, that's put a downer on that then. I only posted it because I heard it on 5Live this evening.
It still shows that it is far from a lost cause though.
Oh I'm convinced it ain't over yet. They'll be plenty more twists and turns to come. Not even half the season gone yet.
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Yes play your suggested team every week and we will equal Swindon's record of conceding 100 goals!
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
Oh, that's put a downer on that then. I only posted it because I heard it on 5Live this evening.
It still shows that it is far from a lost cause though.
Oh I'm convinced it ain't over yet. They'll be plenty more twists and turns to come. Not even half the season gone yet.
We are going to win a game eventually. Even if it feels like we never will. What will keep us up is we are able to build on that or do we lose soon after and go on another barren run. That's what will kill us. Leicester won and kept going that took them from oblivion to safety. We need to find some positive momentum from somewhere.
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I remain convinced that we will put a good run together and play some scintillating football when it is too late. I intend to put my money where my mouth is too, with a very large spread bet on our points tally.
As a few other posters have stated, we have played some very good football in patches and some of the new players have convinced me that they will go and do great things. The injury to Amavi was a devastating blow which scuppered Garde's plans. By the way, go and have a look at Amavi thread to see the reactions to the news if you want a good laugh.
Make no mistake though, we are down. I do not think it is stretching credulity either to say that Garde was brought in on the basis that relegation was a 90% probability. If we sacked Dimmy and got Allardyce before Sunderland, I reckon he would have kept us up.
I do not trust Fox at all, although I do not doubt that Timmy was behind the media onslaught. If you proceed from the premise that class enemy will tell you anything to get you onside, you will not go far wrong, in my 60 years experience anyway. "Our club" my arsehole. I did not come down with last night's rain.
That is not to say I am anti-Garde. I like the cut of his jib and appreciate he is working in abject circumstances.
The cricket season start in April.
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All very well, going for it, but we have to have something to "Go for it" with.
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All very well, going for it, but we have to have something to "Go for it" with.
That's the problem. With this squad, if you could magically place us 10 points clear and we'd still go down.
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
Oh, that's put a downer on that then. I only posted it because I heard it on 5Live this evening.
It still shows that it is far from a lost cause though.
However, it is lost cause adjacent
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As Big Ron used to say, it's time to give it the full bollocks
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
Oh, that's put a downer on that then. I only posted it because I heard it on 5Live this evening.
It still shows that it is far from a lost cause though.
Oh I'm convinced it ain't over yet. They'll be plenty more twists and turns to come. Not even half the season gone yet.
We are going to win a game eventually. Even if it feels like we never will. What will keep us up is we are able to build on that or do we lose soon after and go on another barren run. That's what will kill us. Leicester won and kept going that took them from oblivion to safety. We need to find some positive momentum from somewhere.
I'm hoping for a decent January transfer window. Hopefully a goal scorer to kickstart our season.
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Nothing to gain by being cautious now, so I would like to see us go for it over the next few games. Our full backs without Amavi are not really at the races so I would do something like the below. Getsede should be a last ditch hoof it only option.
Bunn
Okore-Lescott-Richards
Gil-Sanchez-Veretout-Traore
Grealish
Sinclair-Ayew
That's my two penny's worth anyway!
I dont see why not not sure about that back 3 but yeah go for it.
Better than the shit we have been watching.
Then again why discuss it it wont happen!
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Just posted on the Newcastle thread I think Gil in number 10 behind Ayew and Traore would work. They both like to run at defenders and both have a shot on them. Forget the width and go direct. We have a spanish magician who can thread balls, lets utilise him in the most important position on the park
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3360489/Aston-Villa-cheating-fans-Remi-Garde-s-players-letting-club-no-excuse-not-running.html
Decent article? He has a valid point or two.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3360489/Aston-Villa-cheating-fans-Remi-Garde-s-players-letting-club-no-excuse-not-running.html
Decent article? He has a valid point or two.
I felt it was a strange appointment, and Sunday's team selection confirmed my view. Grealish, Carles Gil and Ashley Westwood are all players who can look after the ball, find a pass, open up opponents; Adama Traore is a catalyst, he's exciting.
I'm not sure I agree with that. How many assists or key passes have this lot racked up in their careers so far? Adama deserves a chance but the others have hardly been involved in bucket loads of goals. I really don't get Durham's love of Westwood either, he's a Championship water carrier.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3360489/Aston-Villa-cheating-fans-Remi-Garde-s-players-letting-club-no-excuse-not-running.html
Decent article? He has a valid point or two.
I read it as these foreign types can't cut it, and worse still they get preferential treatment over good old fashioned Tommy, Jack Grealish.
Typical Mail slant.
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Just posted on the Newcastle thread I think Gil in number 10 behind Ayew and Traore would work. They both like to run at defenders and both have a shot on them. Forget the width and go direct. We have a spanish magician who can thread balls, lets utilise him in the most important position on the park
I don't know anything about Lydon but if he can inject some energy in midfield I would play Veretout behind Traore and Ayew. I like Gil I just think Veretout has the better eye for a pass and can help the midfield more. Should be noted Newcastle are playing 4 CM's and 2 strikers so need to keep midfield strong for the next one at least
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Just posted on the Newcastle thread I think Gil in number 10 behind Ayew and Traore would work. They both like to run at defenders and both have a shot on them. Forget the width and go direct. We have a spanish magician who can thread balls, lets utilise him in the most important position on the park
I don't know anything about Lydon but if he can inject some energy in midfield I would play Veretout behind Traore and Ayew. I like Gil I just think Veretout has the better eye for a pass and can help the midfield more. Should be noted Newcastle are playing 4 CM's and 2 strikers so need to keep midfield strong for the next one at least
I like Gil but he is a bit of all fart and no shit, great on the ball but hasn't got the pace to get behind his man so run sideways across their back line and eventually drop your shoulder and cut inside. Get tackled.
Repeat
I think he would thrive in a team that makes decent runs off the ball but as we are currently what's the point
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3360489/Aston-Villa-cheating-fans-Remi-Garde-s-players-letting-club-no-excuse-not-running.html
Decent article? He has a valid point or two.
It was a decent article 'til it got to the bit where he included Westwood as one of the players who can 'look after the ball, find a pass, open up opponents'. Obviously he sees something that I don't
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They won 3 and were on 13 points after 19 games. After 29 games they had won 4 and were on 19 points.
Oh, that's put a downer on that then. I only posted it because I heard it on 5Live this evening.
It still shows that it is far from a lost cause though.
Oh I'm convinced it ain't over yet. They'll be plenty more twists and turns to come. Not even half the season gone yet.
We are going to win a game eventually. Even if it feels like we never will. What will keep us up is we are able to build on that or do we lose soon after and go on another barren run. That's what will kill us. Leicester won and kept going that took them from oblivion to safety. We need to find some positive momentum from somewhere.
I'm hoping for a decent January transfer window. Hopefully a goal scorer to kickstart our season.
We need two or three difference makers in the side even it costs is £30-40m to get them in. A goalscorer for sure and a goalkeeper would be 2 of the 3 in my opinion. A competent goalkeeper just brings about so much confidence in the defence. We literally have to score at minimum 2 a game to get a win now, often to get a point and without a recognized forward it's beyond us. Minimize the amount of goals the pressure goes down to score. If be happy with a few 1-0 wins to be honest. Delighted even.
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If we can't get a decent forward at least someone with a proven track record of creating chances would be good. You can't really say the strikers are all missing lots of clear cut opportunities at the minute.
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Sinclair and Gestede missed sitters against Arsenal. I know they would have gone up the other end and bummed us anyway but we should have scored. The Sinclair header was particularly weak, he should not be anywhere near the line up at the moment.
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Gill, Traore, Grealish none of them are world beaters, none of them can play perfect games for 90 mins, they will all drift in and out of games
But I will stick my neck out say I don't think we will win another game without one or more of these three players on the pitch
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Sinclair and Gestede missed sitters against Arsenal. I know they would have gone up the other end and bummed us anyway but we should have scored. The Sinclair header was particularly weak, he should not be anywhere near the line up at the moment.
I agree with you about Sinclair. A couple of times in the first half on Sunday he annoyed me by ambling to get back onside, when, if he'd come out with their defenders, he'd have been perfectly placed to receive a pass to put us back in at them. But no, saunters back, man in possession got pressed, we lose the ball in a promising position. A Gabby trait.
But not all would agree; on the way out, I walked past a lad on the phone to his mate or someone, saying that "Sinclair's too good for us".
Opinions, eh.
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I was completely wrong about Sinclair. I thought he was decent and we were not using him correctly but he plays like he really couldn't give a flying fuck, a heart the size of a peanut.
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Playing like someone sat on a release clause, imo.
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Gill, Traore, Grealish none of them are world beaters, none of them can play perfect games for 90 mins, they will all drift in and out of games
But I will stick my neck out say I don't think we will win another game without one or more of these three players on the pitch
Agreed, 2 of them in for Gestede and Sinclair and Richards at right back has to be the way to go until Jan.
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Just posted on the Newcastle thread I think Gil in number 10 behind Ayew and Traore would work. They both like to run at defenders and both have a shot on them. Forget the width and go direct. We have a spanish magician who can thread balls, lets utilise him in the most important position on the park
I don't know anything about Lydon but if he can inject some energy in midfield I would play Veretout behind Traore and Ayew. I like Gil I just think Veretout has the better eye for a pass and can help the midfield more. Should be noted Newcastle are playing 4 CM's and 2 strikers so need to keep midfield strong for the next one at least
Not so sure about Veretout as an attacking midfielder and think he would be more suited a bit deeper.
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Just posted on the Newcastle thread I think Gil in number 10 behind Ayew and Traore would work. They both like to run at defenders and both have a shot on them. Forget the width and go direct. We have a spanish magician who can thread balls, lets utilise him in the most important position on the park
I don't know anything about Lydon but if he can inject some energy in midfield I would play Veretout behind Traore and Ayew. I like Gil I just think Veretout has the better eye for a pass and can help the midfield more. Should be noted Newcastle are playing 4 CM's and 2 strikers so need to keep midfield strong for the next one at least
I like Gil but he is a bit of all fart and no shit, great on the ball but hasn't got the pace to get behind his man so run sideways across their back line and eventually drop your shoulder and cut inside. Get tackled.
Agree on the point about his pace and it frustrates me that he picks the ball up so deep, because he isn't going yo hurt teams there. We really need him on the ball in and around the opposition penalty area as I think he could hurt teams. I don't think he gets tackled all that much does he?
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Veretout, Gil, Grealish, all a bit moot if there's little-to-bugger-all movement in front of them.
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Judging by the youtube clips i watched before he came, Veretout looked liked he was an attacking midfielder for his old club. I think he'd look a bit better if he was given more of a slightly free role.
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Judging by the youtube clips i watched before he came, Veretout looked liked he was an attacking midfielder for his old club. I think he'd look a bit better if he was given more of a slightly free role.
To me it seems Garde is playing him in that role , certainly against Southampton he tried to go beyond Gestede for flick on's
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Judging by the youtube clips i watched before he came, Veretout looked liked he was an attacking midfielder for his old club. I think he'd look a bit better if he was given more of a slightly free role.
To me it seems Garde is playing him in that role , certainly against Southampton he tried to go beyond Gestede for flick on's
I can't say i've noticed him playing any further forward to be honest. Now I've said that, he'll score on Saturday.
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Judging by the youtube clips i watched before he came, Veretout looked liked he was an attacking midfielder for his old club. I think he'd look a bit better if he was given more of a slightly free role.
To me it seems Garde is playing him in that role , certainly against Southampton he tried to go beyond Gestede for flick on's
I can't say i've noticed him playing any further forward to be honest. Now I've said that, he'll score on Saturday.
Sherwood likened Ilori to Can and said he could play holding midfield. Perhaps he's worth a go in there given Sanchez and Westwood are not up to it. We definitely need to try a few new things, that could be one, Richards at right back another and Kozak up top with Adama wide possibly. Re-integrating at least 1 of Gil/Grealish into the team too. There are options there, if we keep seeing Gabby, Gestede, Sinclair, Westwood, Sanchez etc we won't improve imo. We might not by making a few changes but the little promise shown by some of those other players suggests it's at least worth trying. Maybe even give Lydon a go, Gardner if fit, Crespo, heck even Bunn. I'd definitely shuffle the pack and then we'll at least have no regrets.
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Personally I think we need to abandon playing three up front for the time being, our midfield is not good enough to cope with it. I reckon we should throw another midfielder in and play two up top for now. Who though, i'm not sure.
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Personally I think we need to abandon playing three up front for the time being, our midfield is not good enough to cope with it. I reckon we should throw another midfielder in and play two up top for now. Who though, i'm not sure.
Totally agree
sinclair ayew gestede reminds me of Lambert and gabby benteke weimann that he persevered with for fuck knows how long when it blatantly didn't work.
I would go with Adama and Ayew upfront playing off the shoulders of centre halves
The worry I have is who we get to play wide, I suppose Bacuna could do a job along with gil with veretout and gana/sanchez in the middle
Whatever he decides gestede in any shape or form is not the answer to any question
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Personally I think we need to abandon playing three up front for the time being, our midfield is not good enough to cope with it. I reckon we should throw another midfielder in and play two up top for now. Who though, i'm not sure.
I think the two should be Suarez and Messi.