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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: aj2k77 on December 13, 2015, 11:35:13 PM
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Part of the now famous transfer committee, brought back from being Scout co-ordinator to be director of player recruitment here.
Does anyone know why?
He previously worked here as the head of performance analyst before moving up to be our head of player recruitment from July 11 to November 12, during that time we signed
Shay Given
Charles Nzogbia
Alan Hutton
Enda Stevens
Karim El Hamadi
Brett Holman
Matt Lowton
Ron Vlaar
Joe Bennett
Ashley Westwood
Jordan Bowery
Christian Benteke
Not encouraging.
He moved to Liverpool from November 12 to August 14, they signed
Phillipe Coutinho
Daniel Sturridge
Luis Alberto
Iago Aspas
Simon Mignolet
Joao Texiera
Kolo Toure
Mamadou Sakho
Thiago Ilori
Kevin Stewart
Rickie Lambert
Adam Lallana
Dejan Lovren
Emre Can
Alberto Moreno
Lazar Markovic
Divock Origi
Mario Ballotelli
for nearly £200m, not encouraging.
He then returns back here as head of recruitment and we know the story. Now I might be looking at this the wrong way or missing some facts but from the job he did at Liverpool, admittedly the manager nearly always has the last say on transfers, but looking at most of the players scouted and signed at Liverpool and Villa during his time at the clubs and the fees paid it looks to me like this guy is not very good at his job. So why was he brought back to this club?
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Not at all.......For 'Performance Analyst' read PROZONE and nothing more. No professional experience at all.
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Strikes me yet another person over promoted like Faulkner certainly was and arguably Tom Fox aswell.
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Paddy Reilly absolutely epitomises us as a Club these days and now appears the last piece in Lerner's jigsaw of incompetence.
Another who was appointed way above his capabilities. The fact he still has his job is testament to how much Lerner has become disconnected from our plight.
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A professional club run by amateurs.
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I genuinely believe there isn't a massive amount of difference from taking Accrington Stanley to the Champions League in your bedroom on Football Manager to what Paddy does for a 6 figure annual salary at Villa.
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I genuinely believe there isn't a massive amount of difference from taking Accrington Stanley to the Champions League in your bedroom on Football Manager to what Paddy does for a 6 figure annual salary at Villa.
Well he's doing the reverse and taking Aston Villa to a trip to Burton Albion next season.
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His haircut really bothers me
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Do you think we have scouts watching other teams and watching other players?
Why bother when we have Paddy and PROZONE doing a sound job from an office and saving us money?
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His haircut really bothers me
Whats underneath it is of some concern as well.
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Do you think we have scouts watching other teams and watching other players?
Why bother when we have Paddy and PROZONE doing a sound job from an office and saving us money?
The way that it currently happens (at Villa and pretty much every club in the top four divisions) is we look at data to see which players are doing important things better than our current players. We then go and watch those players and decide who we should bid for.
Are you suggesting that we skip the bit about "researching the player first" and just send scouts to matches around the world at random?
That strikes me as a rather inefficient way of doing things.
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His haircut really bothers me
brilliant
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Do you think we have scouts watching other teams and watching other players?
Why bother when we have Paddy and PROZONE doing a sound job from an office and saving us money?
The way that it currently happens (at Villa and pretty much every club in the top four divisions) is we look at data to see which players are doing important things better than our current players. We then go and watch those players and decide who we should bid for.
Are you suggesting that we skip the bit about "researching the player first" and just send scouts to matches around the world at random?
That strikes me as a rather inefficient way of doing things.
There is nothing wrong with using PROZONE, but it's the person making the decisions after that that appears to be the issue.
I believe Paddy Riley used to be the camera operator for Bodymoor Heath youth fixtures prior to his promotion.
That's how we do it these days😟
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Do you think we have scouts watching other teams and watching other players?
Why bother when we have Paddy and PROZONE doing a sound job from an office and saving us money?
The way that it currently happens (at Villa and pretty much every club in the top four divisions) is we look at data to see which players are doing important things better than our current players. We then go and watch those players and decide who we should bid for.
Are you suggesting that we skip the bit about "researching the player first" and just send scouts to matches around the world at random?
That strikes me as a rather inefficient way of doing things.
Nah, we should go back to the good days under MON.
See who looked good on MOTD highlights and wave a contract 50% bigger than they were worth for at least 2 years longer than they'd be useful under their noses and call it job done.
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As much as we want to pick holes and focus blame, I think the quality of the squad is testament to the directive being sent down from above. Ultimately, I believe, the plan for the summer just gone was to spend the Benteke money on relatively cheap, unproven talent from abroad with the intention of getting lucky and finding the next Benteke to repeat the cycle and slowly progress up the league. maximum effort scouting, minimum net outlay, maximum profit to reinvest. To be fair, its is too early to judge, but who is to say that had we managed to secure 13th-14th place for the next couple of years, we wouldnt have been entertaining 30m bids for Amavi, Veretout or Traore? If you have an owner who no longer wants to invest then its a relatively sound plan in theory. The reasons for why it hasnt worked in practice are plentiful and not worth going into on this post but what I will say is the OP has negated his argument a little by the virtue that Benteke, Coutinho, Moreno, Sturridge (had he not been plagued by injury) and Can could probably turn enough profit alone to cover the outlay for the entire list.
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I said in the summer and got shouted down for it that I know someone who has dealings with Reilly at the club and says that he hasn't got a fucking clue..........
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Do you think we have scouts watching other teams and watching other players?
Why bother when we have Paddy and PROZONE doing a sound job from an office and saving us money?
The way that it currently happens (at Villa and pretty much every club in the top four divisions) is we look at data to see which players are doing important things better than our current players. We then go and watch those players and decide who we should bid for.
Are you suggesting that we skip the bit about "researching the player first" and just send scouts to matches around the world at random?
That strikes me as a rather inefficient way of doing things.
Nah, we should go back to the good days under MON.
See who looked good on MOTD highlights and wave a contract 50% bigger than they were worth for at least 2 years longer than they'd be useful under their noses and call it job done.
Shorey, Habib Beye, Zat, Curtis Davies, Carlos Cuellar, Stephen Warnock, NRC, Ivanhoe. The list, whilst not endless, is certainly extensive.
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There is no transfer committee. Infamous or otherwise.
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His haircut really bothers me
Whats underneath it is of some concern as well.
There's nothing underneath it.
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Paddy Reilly was hired by Fox, who was hired by Lerner, to:
1)spend less money on transfer fees,
2) on younger players with lower wages
3)who can be sold on at profit.
He has been largely successful on points 1 and 2, and probably Traore, Grealish, Veretout, Ayew, Amavi will enable him to achieve point 3, so he will be here for a while yet.
It's all about the money.
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He in my list of ****** associated with my club. It's getting worryingly large.
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I think some are missing the vital point here.
His signings have largely added nothing whatsoever to the Vila and we are about to get relegated in almost record time.
I know he can only spend what's he's given but for a £50 million return I think even Lernerr is entitled to expect more than 6 points by mid December. His signings have been a failure, along with everyone else in the squad I might add.
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Paddy Reilly was hired by Fox, who was hired by Lerner, to:
1)spend less money on transfer fees,
2) on younger players with lower wages
3)who can be sold on at profit.
He has been largely successful on points 1 and 2, and probably Traore, Grealish, Veretout, Ayew, Amavi will enable him to achieve point 3, so he will be here for a while yet.
It's all about the money.
A championship club will not get £7m for Traore who hasn't one anything in football yet. He didn't find Grealish. We wont get £7m for Veretout in the Championship. We won't get around £9m for Ayew in the Championship and we won't get anything for Amavi because he's injured.
We might have got players in on lower wages but we certainly won't be making any profit on the players signed in the summer.
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As much as we want to pick holes and focus blame, I think the quality of the squad is testament to the directive being sent down from above. Ultimately, I believe, the plan for the summer just gone was to spend the Benteke money on relatively cheap, unproven talent from abroad with the intention of getting lucky and finding the next Benteke to repeat the cycle and slowly progress up the league. maximum effort scouting, minimum net outlay, maximum profit to reinvest. To be fair, its is too early to judge, but who is to say that had we managed to secure 13th-14th place for the next couple of years, we wouldnt have been entertaining 30m bids for Amavi, Veretout or Traore? If you have an owner who no longer wants to invest then its a relatively sound plan in theory. The reasons for why it hasnt worked in practice are plentiful and not worth going into on this post but what I will say is the OP has negated his argument a little by the virtue that Benteke, Coutinho, Moreno, Sturridge (had he not been plagued by injury) and Can could probably turn enough profit alone to cover the outlay for the entire list.
And who's to say if we hadn't won the league all our players would be worth £20m plus? We wont because the players bought are not good enough. These group of players were never going to finish 13th or 14th, they're crap, the proof is in the pudding. We've lost nearly every single game weve played for 4 months.
Our transfer goal cannot be to simply make a bit of profit, it has to be to find players that can be moulded in to a team that can achieve something, so my point hasn't been negated, the list of signings have been mostly terrible and for huge sums of money. Benteke, Moreno, Coutinho and Sturridge wouldn't command transfer fee's totalling £230m odd would they.
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The problem appears that no-one with football knowledge inside the club is convinced it is a good idea.
Look at the team Kevin McDonald picked.
Look at the likes of Allardyce and Pulis, they wouldn't work with the same conditions.
It is a gamble that hasn't worked.
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A championship club will not get £7m for Traore who hasn't one anything in football yet. He didn't find Grealish. We wont get £7m for Veretout in the Championship. We won't get around £9m for Ayew in the Championship and we won't get anything for Amavi because he's injured.
I agree that nobody would pay those fees. Which is good, because they will be the players who will get us back up.
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The problem appears that no-one with football knowledge inside the club is convinced it is a good idea.
Look at the team Kevin McDonald picked.
Look at the likes of Allardyce and Pulis, they wouldn't work with the same conditions.
It is a gamble that hasn't worked.
The team Mcdonald picked was 2 fingers up at everyone at Aston Villa, it was terrible and wasn't for the benefit of the club at all.
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A championship club will not get £7m for Traore who hasn't one anything in football yet. He didn't find Grealish. We wont get £7m for Veretout in the Championship. We won't get around £9m for Ayew in the Championship and we won't get anything for Amavi because he's injured.
I agree that nobody would pay those fees. Which is good, because they will be the players who will get us back up.
I think the players that will get us back up aren't at the club yet. New goalkeeper, new centre back, new centre mid, new centre forward. An entire spine of a team for a spineless team.
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A championship club will not get £7m for Traore who hasn't one anything in football yet. He didn't find Grealish. We wont get £7m for Veretout in the Championship. We won't get around £9m for Ayew in the Championship and we won't get anything for Amavi because he's injured.
I agree that nobody would pay those fees. Which is good, because they will be the players who will get us back up.
I think the players that will get us back up aren't at the club yet. New goalkeeper, new centre back, new centre mid, new centre forward. An entire spine of a team for a spineless team.
I disagree with the probable exception of a new goalkeeper.
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There is no transfer committee. Infamous or otherwise.
I don't buy into that at all (not a dig at you but the information)
There has been too much chatter about it and I think it was also reflected in Sherwood's team selections.
I actually don't think the theory is too bad. What we needed to do was buy experience and have a season of consolidation first - and also had a manager that was behind it.
This is obviously written with hindsight.
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As much as we want to pick holes and focus blame, I think the quality of the squad is testament to the directive being sent down from above. Ultimately, I believe, the plan for the summer just gone was to spend the Benteke money on relatively cheap, unproven talent from abroad with the intention of getting lucky and finding the next Benteke to repeat the cycle and slowly progress up the league. maximum effort scouting, minimum net outlay, maximum profit to reinvest. To be fair, its is too early to judge, but who is to say that had we managed to secure 13th-14th place for the next couple of years, we wouldnt have been entertaining 30m bids for Amavi, Veretout or Traore? If you have an owner who no longer wants to invest then its a relatively sound plan in theory. The reasons for why it hasnt worked in practice are plentiful and not worth going into on this post but what I will say is the OP has negated his argument a little by the virtue that Benteke, Coutinho, Moreno, Sturridge (had he not been plagued by injury) and Can could probably turn enough profit alone to cover the outlay for the entire list.
And who's to say if we hadn't won the league all our players would be worth £20m plus? We wont because the players bought are not good enough. These group of players were never going to finish 13th or 14th, they're crap, the proof is in the pudding. We've lost nearly every single game weve played for 4 months.
Our transfer goal cannot be to simply make a bit of profit, it has to be to find players that can be moulded in to a team that can achieve something, so my point hasn't been negated, the list of signings have been mostly terrible and for huge sums of money. Benteke, Moreno, Coutinho and Sturridge wouldn't command transfer fee's totalling £230m odd would they.
I didnt say the transfer goal is to simply make a bit of profit, I summised that they have devised a transfer policy that they saw as the most viable option based on the fact that the owner will no longer be investing in the team. Its obviously a mid to longer term strategy that relied wholly on not imploding in the short term. The team can then gel and be moulded into a cohesive unit and we start to climb the league again. The cream of the squad will always be taken away no matter what our strategy, but the money is then reinvested and the club becomes self sustaining. It has failed spectacularly but I dont put that down to the new signings being good enough, the ones I mentioned all have huge potential and look better every game. We have failed because the people running the club havent been combined potential of youth with a solid investment up front who can get goals, We had a manager who was out of his depth and kept changing the team, confidence is fragile with the older players due to 5years of beatings, we have changed manager, we have suffered with injuries, new signings are settling in slowly etc. To tarnish them all with a sweeping statement like they are all crap is something I disagree with.
Regarding the transfer fees I also mentioned Emre Can and yes those might fall slightly short of 230m but 8 on the original list are in a team currently challenging for the title so I would say the failings are more down to the flaws in the various remits he has been given whilst at Villa.
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There is no transfer committee. Infamous or otherwise.
I don't buy into that at all (not a dig at you but the information)
There has been too much chatter about it and I think it was also reflected in Sherwood's team selections.
Who do you think is on this committee then? Paddy Reilly, obviously. Presumably the manager at the time.
And I don't know about them being evidence of a transfer committee, I think the only things that Sherwood's team selections reflected was the incompetence of Tim Sherwood.
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All of the management of the club from the Owner through to the Manager should be involved in the buying and selling of players. There are matters of ability and finance that have to considered.
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As much as we want to pick holes and focus blame, I think the quality of the squad is testament to the directive being sent down from above. Ultimately, I believe, the plan for the summer just gone was to spend the Benteke money on relatively cheap, unproven talent from abroad with the intention of getting lucky and finding the next Benteke to repeat the cycle and slowly progress up the league. maximum effort scouting, minimum net outlay, maximum profit to reinvest. To be fair, its is too early to judge, but who is to say that had we managed to secure 13th-14th place for the next couple of years, we wouldnt have been entertaining 30m bids for Amavi, Veretout or Traore? If you have an owner who no longer wants to invest then its a relatively sound plan in theory. The reasons for why it hasnt worked in practice are plentiful and not worth going into on this post but what I will say is the OP has negated his argument a little by the virtue that Benteke, Coutinho, Moreno, Sturridge (had he not been plagued by injury) and Can could probably turn enough profit alone to cover the outlay for the entire list.
And who's to say if we hadn't won the league all our players would be worth £20m plus? We wont because the players bought are not good enough. These group of players were never going to finish 13th or 14th, they're crap, the proof is in the pudding. We've lost nearly every single game weve played for 4 months.
Our transfer goal cannot be to simply make a bit of profit, it has to be to find players that can be moulded in to a team that can achieve something, so my point hasn't been negated, the list of signings have been mostly terrible and for huge sums of money. Benteke, Moreno, Coutinho and Sturridge wouldn't command transfer fee's totalling £230m odd would they.
I didnt say the transfer goal is to simply make a bit of profit, I summised that they have devised a transfer policy that they saw as the most viable option based on the fact that the owner will no longer be investing in the team. Its obviously a mid to longer term strategy that relied wholly on not imploding in the short term. The team can then gel and be moulded into a cohesive unit and we start to climb the league again. The cream of the squad will always be taken away no matter what our strategy, but the money is then reinvested and the club becomes self sustaining. It has failed spectacularly but I dont put that down to the new signings being good enough, the ones I mentioned all have huge potential and look better every game. We have failed because the people running the club havent been combined potential of youth with a solid investment up front who can get goals, We had a manager who was out of his depth and kept changing the team, confidence is fragile with the older players due to 5years of beatings, we have changed manager, we have suffered with injuries, new signings are settling in slowly etc. To tarnish them all with a sweeping statement like they are all crap is something I disagree with.
Regarding the transfer fees I also mentioned Emre Can and yes those might fall slightly short of 230m but 8 on the original list are in a team currently challenging for the title so I would say the failings are more down to the flaws in the various remits he has been given whilst at Villa.
I'd love to know which team that is.
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There is no transfer committee. Infamous or otherwise.
I don't buy into that at all (not a dig at you but the information)
There has been too much chatter about it and I think it was also reflected in Sherwood's team selections.
Who do you think is on this committee then? Paddy Reilly, obviously. Presumably the manager at the time.
And I don't know about them being evidence of a transfer committee, I think the only things that Sherwood's team selections reflected was the incompetence of Tim Sherwood.
Hendrik Almstadt & Paddy Reilly.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11932271/If-Tim-Sherwood-is-sacked-those-behind-Aston-Villas-deeply-flawed-transfer-policy-should-pay-too.html
I believe it. I've also seen the club attack managers as soon as they are out the door. They are good at throwing the dirt.
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I read today on the Aston Villa Supporters Trust Facebook page that they sat in on a session with Tom Fox who was keen to re-address the media talk about this Transfer Committee. I think he said the committee was just him (Fox), Reilly and Sherwood; that Sherwood had absolute final say on who Villa brought and moved on; that Alhmstadt and Reilly's positions are there to support the manager.
Worth a read if you can find it. I don't know what the truth is, but I'm loathe to accept newspaper and TV talk/opinions as gospel.
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Oops! just realised there's a sizeable thread about that meeting already! :)
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Hendrik Almstadt & Paddy Reilly.
So not the manager? Is two people a committee?
I definitely believe that a team work together to bring in suitable players. After all, there isn't a professional football club out there that does things any differently to that.
I believe it. I've also seen the club attack managers as soon as they are out the door. They are good at throwing the dirt.
I don't blame them. It's been a very long time since we had a manager who didn't warrant a fair bit of attacking when they have left the club. And I'm not surprised that the club was keen for their side of the story to be heard on the most recent sacking.
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I think a held belief (not saying widely or otherwise) is that there is a committee consisting of Fox, Almstadt, Reilly and the manager. It was intimated at Remi's first press conference at which he also confirmed he has the final say on transfers.
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Was talking to an Everton supporting mate the other day who says they are close to being taken over. Rumors of 220 million, which I found hard to believe but with Baines, Stones and lukaku being worth 100 mill, the figure is believable.
So important to get transfer and youth policy right. It can make a club vast sums...
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Almstadt has fuck all to do with transfers.
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Hendrik Almstadt & Paddy Reilly.
So not the manager? Is two people a committee?
I definitely believe that a team work together to bring in suitable players. After all, there isn't a professional football club out there that does things any differently to that.
I believe it. I've also seen the club attack managers as soon as they are out the door. They are good at throwing the dirt.
I don't blame them. It's been a very long time since we had a manager who didn't warrant a fair bit of attacking when they have left the club. And I'm not surprised that the club was keen for their side of the story to be heard on the most recent sacking.
It's been said the two poorest signings were made by the manager.
I don't think it's all been fabricated, do you? (No side to that by the way, just read it back and it may look like it)
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I don't think it's all been fabricated, do you? (No side to that by the way, just read it back and it may look like it)
Which bit do you mean fabricated? If you mean the 'transfer committee', then no I don't think it has.
Like I said, there be will a group of different people who will all have their input. Whether that is then called a 'transfer committee' or just 'the normal day-to-day running of any professional football club' I guess comes down to whether the journalist writing about it (or his mate) has an axe to grind or not.
Whether that group of people making those decisions for us in the summer were doing their jobs well enough is still open for debate, but the principle is exactly the way that transfers should be conducted.
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I agree with Dave here, it's not the fact we have people finding players for the manager, although the type of player should be at the managers request, it's that for me Reilly has not proven himself as good enough to be doing the job he is doing.
Pretty much like all of Lerners cronies to be honest.
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I said in the summer and got shouted down for it that I know someone who has dealings with Reilly at the club and says that he hasn't got a fucking clue..........
Fits the criteria for Lerner's Aston Villa.
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I don't think it's all been fabricated, do you? (No side to that by the way, just read it back and it may look like it)
Which bit do you mean fabricated? If you mean the 'transfer committee', then no I don't think it has.
Like I said, there be will a group of different people who will all have their input. Whether that is then called a 'transfer committee' or just 'the normal day-to-day running of any professional football club' I guess comes down to whether the journalist writing about it (or his mate) has an axe to grind or not.
Whether that group of people making those decisions for us in the summer were doing their jobs well enough is still open for debate, but the principle is exactly the way that transfers should be conducted.
I disagree, I think it was obvious it would cause disharmony.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think many British managers would put up with that level of interference.
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I don't think it's all been fabricated, do you? (No side to that by the way, just read it back and it may look like it)
Which bit do you mean fabricated? If you mean the 'transfer committee', then no I don't think it has.
Like I said, there be will a group of different people who will all have their input. Whether that is then called a 'transfer committee' or just 'the normal day-to-day running of any professional football club' I guess comes down to whether the journalist writing about it (or his mate) has an axe to grind or not.
Whether that group of people making those decisions for us in the summer were doing their jobs well enough is still open for debate, but the principle is exactly the way that transfers should be conducted.
I disagree, I think it was obvious it would cause disharmony.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think many British managers would put up with that level of interference.
Well as has often been noted with British Managers who don't like it, they're fucking idiots.
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I don't think it's all been fabricated, do you? (No side to that by the way, just read it back and it may look like it)
Which bit do you mean fabricated? If you mean the 'transfer committee', then no I don't think it has.
Like I said, there be will a group of different people who will all have their input. Whether that is then called a 'transfer committee' or just 'the normal day-to-day running of any professional football club' I guess comes down to whether the journalist writing about it (or his mate) has an axe to grind or not.
Whether that group of people making those decisions for us in the summer were doing their jobs well enough is still open for debate, but the principle is exactly the way that transfers should be conducted.
I disagree, I think it was obvious it would cause disharmony.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think many British managers would put up with that level of interference.
Well as has often been noted with British Managers who don't like it, they're fucking idiots.
I agree but if you are going to implement it, make damn sure they agree with the signings.
How many weeks of farce did we have until he eventually got the boot?
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Part of the now famous transfer committee, brought back from being Scout co-ordinator to be director of player recruitment here.
Does anyone know why?
He previously worked here as the head of performance analyst before moving up to be our head of player recruitment from July 11 to November 12, during that time we signed
Shay Given
Charles Nzogbia
Alan Hutton
Enda Stevens
Karim El Hamadi
Brett Holman
Matt Lowton
Ron Vlaar
Joe Bennett
Ashley Westwood
Jordan Bowery
Christian Benteke
Not encouraging.
He moved to Liverpool from November 12 to August 14, they signed
Phillipe Coutinho
Daniel Sturridge
Luis Alberto
Iago Aspas
Simon Mignolet
Joao Texiera
Kolo Toure
Mamadou Sakho
Thiago Ilori
Kevin Stewart
Rickie Lambert
Adam Lallana
Dejan Lovren
Emre Can
Alberto Moreno
Lazar Markovic
Divock Origi
Mario Ballotelli
for nearly £200m, not encouraging.
He then returns back here as head of recruitment and we know the story. Now I might be looking at this the wrong way or missing some facts but from the job he did at Liverpool, admittedly the manager nearly always has the last say on transfers, but looking at most of the players scouted and signed at Liverpool and Villa during his time at the clubs and the fees paid it looks to me like this guy is not very good at his job. So why was he brought back to this club?
At the end of his previous Villa employment, wasn't his Club laptop seized ?
Wasn't he escorted off the Bodymoor Heath premises ?
I think he's doing a fantastic job.
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Well, all I know is that since he's been here we've signed some shit players and we are marooned at the foot of the table with precious little chance of staying up. Given this, I'd say he's a making a total dogs arse of it.
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Seized?
Every single job I've had, I've had to hand over my work laptop when I left.
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Escorted off the premises too ?
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He's beginning to sound more like Alan Partridge with every post
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What Dave has said about the transfer process tallies with how Tom Fox described it yesterday. Basically, the manager identifies players he wants to bring in, the committee (for want of a better word) asks what attributes in particular they have that he wants and then the scouting team will review the player in question and also alternatives with similar characteristics in the event that the first choice isn't viable and so on down the list. He stressed that the manager has the final say and can pull the plug at any point in the proceedings if they feel the player isn't the right match.
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What Dave has said about the transfer process tallies with how Tom Fox described it yesterday. Basically, the manager identifies players he wants to bring in, the committee (for want of a better word) asks what attributes in particular they have that he wants and then the scouting team will review the player in question and also alternatives with similar characteristics in the event that the first choice isn't viable and so on down the list. He stressed that the manager has the final say and can pull the plug at any point in the proceedings if they feel the player isn't the right match.
Sounds the way to go for me but it does not fit the 'drama' agenda of the media hyped modern day football.
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What Dave has said about the transfer process tallies with how Tom Fox described it yesterday. Basically, the manager identifies players he wants to bring in, the committee (for want of a better word) asks what attributes in particular they have that he wants and then the scouting team will review the player in question and also alternatives with similar characteristics in the event that the first choice isn't viable and so on down the list. He stressed that the manager has the final say and can pull the plug at any point in the proceedings if they feel the player isn't the right match.
Sounds the way to go for me but it does not fit the 'drama' agenda of the media hyped modern day football.
I'm not sure its 'drama agenda' in this case. How many of us thought this summer we'd get two or three Tottenham rejects? Most were surprised with the summer transfers.
I'll stop carping on about it as I seem to be in the minority and maybe that's a sign I'm wrong!
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So this:
I don't think it's all been fabricated, do you? (No side to that by the way, just read it back and it may look like it)
Which bit do you mean fabricated? If you mean the 'transfer committee', then no I don't think it has.
Like I said, there be will a group of different people who will all have their input. Whether that is then called a 'transfer committee' or just 'the normal day-to-day running of any professional football club' I guess comes down to whether the journalist writing about it (or his mate) has an axe to grind or not.
Whether that group of people making those decisions for us in the summer were doing their jobs well enough is still open for debate, but the principle is exactly the way that transfers should be conducted.
I disagree, I think it was obvious it would cause disharmony.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think many British managers would put up with that level of interference.
Tallied with this:
I'm not sure its 'drama agenda' in this case. How many of us thought this summer we'd get two or three Tottenham rejects? Most were surprised with the summer transfers.
Suggests that you feel that two or three Tottenham rejects is the route that we should have taken. i.e Just buy whoever the manager wants, so when he gets fired due to the inevitably terrible job that he does we have a load of players unfit for anybody else. Meaning more millions written off and another new manager bringing in a load of new players, meaning the whole cycle starts again.
I was very surprised with the business over the summer as it looked like there was a plan in place and it's been ages since we'd shown any signs of that.
As for your wider point above "I don't think many British managers would put up with that level of interference", first of all I think it's wrong - Steve Fletcher does the recruitment for Bournemouth and Eddie Howe seems happy enough with it. Graham Carr does the Paddy Reilly role for Newcastle, Mark Cartwright does it for Stoke, Lee Congerton at Sunderland and David Leadbeater does it at Swansea (who obviously had a British manager until recently).
And even if it were right - that would be a very good reason why hardly anybody is hiring British managers anymore. Why would anybody risk giving total control over tens of millions of pounds to somebody who is probably going to be your manager for no more than a couple of years?
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Another snippet from the Fox meeting we havent mentioned yet (not embargoed, just forgotten) was the reason Reilly departed first time round. A major falling out with Lambert's brother in law.
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Karsa and shithouse causing more problems. I'd love and hate to read an insiders book of what's been going on at our circus the last 10 years.
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Another snippet from the Fox meeting we havent mentioned yet (not embargoed, just forgotten) was the reason Reilly departed first time round. A major falling out with Lambert's brother in law.
Club has been in total disarray since O'Neill walked away, which all stems from Lerner hiding in America and offering no leadership.
Fox reminds me of a supply teacher who can't control his students, simply letting them run amok.
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That predates Fox I believe but understand the sentiment.
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The thing with the recruitment is all we needed to do was replace Benteke well (not easy I admit) and there wouldn't be half the discussion or criticism imo of all the signings.
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Another snippet from the Fox meeting we havent mentioned yet (not embargoed, just forgotten) was the reason Reilly departed first time round. A major falling out with Lambert's brother in law.
Club has been in total disarray since O'Neill walked away, which all stems from Lerner hiding in America and offering no leadership.
Fox reminds me of a supply teacher who can't control his students, simply letting them run amok.
Really?! Considering the timescales I'd say he's been prolific at turning over staff and addressing issues. He might not yet have found the right blend but the churn of people suggests that he thinks the situation is less than okay.
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The thing with the recruitment is all we needed to do was replace Benteke well (not easy I admit) and there wouldn't be half the discussion or criticism imo of all the signings.
This was Sherwoods biggest failing - not getting in someone to score goals and hold the ball up, and putting all his eggs in the Adebayor basket. I think had this group had a decent centre forward to play in and around, we would be a hell of a lot higher up the league. Confidence is a strange thing in football. Traore coming on in good situations not dire ones, Veretout having someone to play into, Ayew coming from wide and Grealish having some of the ball in the opposition half - all things we need, but Gestede offers so little in his all round game we are bollocked. Worse though, he hasn't got the ability to score regularly at this level - Austin last season scored a number of first time hits from outside the area to keep QPR in games. Benteke did for us. Our defence is made a hell of a lot worse by a shocking forward line.
And I am still to be convinced that the committee signings were the issue last summer. From the reports, Richards, Lescott and Gestede were very much Sherwoods men.