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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on December 13, 2015, 03:16:21 PM
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We are fucked.
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Merry Christmas Bad English
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We're crap. /whatever
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I can't wait to get down to VP on Boxing Day!
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The dignity of this once magnificent football club is being dragged out into the street and raped by this criminal gang of utter fucking charlatans,
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8 points from safety now. Three wins, can't see where they are coming from.
This is awful. Same shit every week.
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Relegation beckons. Respect to those that go. Absolute laughing stock.
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Um
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I have got nothing to say about it. I'm just deeply saddened by the decline of this club...
Maybe the Championship will be the best thing that can happen to us. We've threatened it for years now, we might as well do it and drop like a giant turd into the murky toilet waters.
With any luck, we'll float back up. But we need to rebuild and make sure this never ever happens to us again.
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It'll get worse with these clowns.
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New Club Record!
No wins in our last 15 matches. Merry Christmas from Aston Villa!
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Men against boys.
Worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
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Second half was actually alright and Adama showed why he has to play more.
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I don't think Garde will have a win percentage greater than 0 at the end of the season.
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Newcastle next isn't it? That ought to be entertaining.
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Can't wait to hear back from anyone who went to the audience with Tom Fox.
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Can't wait to hear back from anyone who went to the audience with Tom Fox.
Forgot that was today..
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Disgusting mess of a club. We should seriously consider knocking this football lark on the head. Reopen Villa Park as a multiplex cinema or shopping mall. We're dead.
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Two best 2nd half chances were headers with Kozak may have done better with. Grumpy.
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Thing is with Hutton and Bacuna as full backs we're buried.
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Can't wait to hear back from anyone who went to the audience with Tom Fox.
Probably just talking about pies and the price of beer.
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Did anyone spot that Cech had his slippers on and a copy of the Sunday times?
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Can't wait to hear back from anyone who went to the audience with Tom Fox.
Probably just talking about pies and the price of beer.
Bet he had his leather gloves on today
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Thing is with Hutton and Bacuna as full backs we're buried.
Might as well start experimenting when Richards comes back. Whether it's 3 at the back, including Ilori or moving Richards outside.. who cares, we're dead.
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depressing. complete clearout required
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Collectively they were pretty terrible, we still seem disjointed, flat and with no plan. I didn't think invididually anyone was too terrible although it was one of the poorest performances from Sanchez who was no protection and Hutton was bad first half. One positive is that I thought Okore and Lescott largely did well when called upon, maybe we finally might have a reasonable pairing there.
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We were okayish second half. And the train is warm. About as positive as I can be.
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Sitting in the pub with a Man City supporting friend, and she was saying how sad and strange the Premier League will be without Villa Park. Brought it home just how impressive relegating Aston Villa is.
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Better 2nd half but not really saying much, Arsenal took foot off. Hutton is shit but I really wish the rest of the squad had his effort and desire to get stuck in.
Lescott is here five years too late, Gestede is hopeless, Sinclair doesn't give a hoot, Veretout is decent, Sanchez is a goal give away waiting to happen, Guye is ok but offers little in all honesty, couldn't knock Guzan today and I can't be arsed now..going down, no doubt about it, start planning for 15/16 in Jan, we really need serious battlers.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
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depressing. complete clearout required
If they raised the club to the ground it would still fucking stink.
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Amavi is a huge miss , with him gone all our attacking threat from wide is from Hutton whose crossing is rubbish.
Also Bacuna does ok but always looked akward switching back onto his favoured foot.
Sanchez continues to be a liability
In general there is no cohesion to the team , thats along side suicidely defending is what is killing us
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
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Amavi is a huge miss , with him gone all our attacking threat from wide is from Hutton whose crossing is rubbish.
Also Bacuna does ok but always looked akward switching back onto his favoured foot.
Sanchez continues to be a liability
In general there is no cohesion to the team , thats along side suicidely defending is what is killing us
Have to say Hutton put in a couple of excellent crosses today. A pity Gestede couldn't head the ball properly and Sinclair jumped too soon - just sums up our season.
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Sitting in the pub with a Man City supporting friend, and she was saying how sad and strange the Premier League will be without Villa Park. Brought it home just how impressive relegating Aston Villa is.
Indeed. It takes some serious fuckwittery to relegate a club as big as Aston Villa, but 6 seasons of hacking away at out PL infrastructure and we're finally starting to crumble away.
Lerner hold your head in shame.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
They could at least show some desire, some fight passion and respect to the fans. They may be shit but still have a decent share of the blame.
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Randy should consider drastically dropping his price and selling up as soon as possible, otherwise he could well oversee the biggest clusterfuck in football history. The club is in meltdown.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
They could at least show some desire, some fight passion and respect to the fans. They may be shit but still have a decent share of the blame.
Part of me feels sorry for most of the players as they're clearly out of their depth in the Premier League.
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Sitting in the pub with a Man City supporting friend, and she was saying how sad and strange the Premier League will be without Villa Park. Brought it home just how impressive relegating Aston Villa is.
Indeed. It takes some serious fuckwittery to relegate a club as big as Aston Villa, but 6 seasons of hacking away at out PL infrastructure and we're finally starting to crumble away.
Lerner hold your head in shame.
His head has been buried in the sand for years.
Show your face you coward. Turn up to your ground and face your supporters. Absolute joke of a leader, you pathetic pasty man.
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Randy should consider drastically dropping his price and selling up as soon as possible, otherwise he could well oversee the biggest clusterfuck in football history. The club is in meltdown.
Do you trust the ****** to leave us in good hands?
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Better 2nd half which wasn't very hard, but after their midweek exertions Arsenal never bothered to get out of 1st gear. Waiting until the 87th minute to bring Adama on was a joke. Next 4 games Newcastle A, West Ham H, Norwich A, Sunderland A need minimum 9 points. Not going to happen.
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I so want Randy Lerner and General Krulak to come out and address the fans directly. This reminds me of the tearing down of the Trinity Road Stand - it's reckless vandalism. The fact that these two won't come out and talk to us appalls me. What are Lerner's current plans? Is he bringing in a Chairman? Who is guiding the club - what's the vision? It's all so vague, it's all so rudderless it sickens me. What a way to run an institution like Aston Villa. I'd like to address these issues to our head of media at least - that is if we have one these days? Since Brian Doogan left even this role seems to have been cut back.
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Randy should consider drastically dropping his price and selling up as soon as possible, otherwise he could well oversee the biggest clusterfuck in football history. The club is in meltdown.
Do you trust the c*** to leave us in good hands?
Fucking hell at this point could anyone do any worse than him !!
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
If you are defending the players because of the sheer ineptness at the top, you are wrong. What happended to pride, passion and doing a good job? The players are a disgrace, bar none. No one shows any passion
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Randy should consider drastically dropping his price and selling up as soon as possible, otherwise he could well oversee the biggest clusterfuck in football history. The club is in meltdown.
Do you trust the c*** to leave us in good hands?
I don't unfortunately (if the Browns are anything to go by). We need to petition Prince William to use his influence to get good people buying Villa.
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I so want Randy Lerner and General Krulak to come out and address the fans directly. This reminds me of the tearing down of the Trinity Road Stand - it's reckless vandalism. The fact that these two won't come out and talk to us appalls me. What are Lerner's current plans? Is he bringing in a Chairman? Who is guiding the club - what's the vision? It's all so vague, it's all so rudderless it sickens me. What a way to run an institution like Aston Villa. I'd like to address these issues to our head of media at least - that is if we have one these days? Since Brian Doogan left even this role seems to have been cut back.
It is colossal malpractice.
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How the hell does Jushede get paid to play football.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
If you are defending the players because of the sheer ineptness at the top, you are wrong. What happended to pride, passion and doing a good job? The players are a disgrace, bar none. No one shows any passion
I'm growing to fucking hate some of them.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
If you are defending the players because of the sheer ineptness at the top, you are wrong. What happended to pride, passion and doing a good job? The players are a disgrace, bar none. No one shows any passion
They probably do try their best but sadly they're not bloody good enough!
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
They could at least show some desire, some fight passion and respect to the fans. They may be shit but still have a decent share of the blame.
Part of me feels sorry for most of the players as they're clearly out of their depth in the Premier League.
Why?
Just compare us with the fight of the Bournemouth players these last few weeks. Who the hell is Josh King? I didnt know until three weeks ago but he shows more fight and endeavour than the so called established prem player such as Scott f in Sinclair.
Dont give the players any excuses. They deserve none
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Well that went well.
Thanks Randy: you da man. *Vomits into handily placed bucket*
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Shit first half, much better second half if a bit toothless. Gil is our best player and should start every game. We need a proper right back and at this point I'd rather stick a promising kid there than Hutton on the basis that he may be able to defend without fouling and also cross a football. Traore is raw and at times bizarre but look at how he lifted the crowd! Start him. We either need to give Ayew a proper go up front or buy another striker in Jan. Veretout is a really good footballer in a bad side. I personally think he will be awesome next season in a better side, sadly don't think it will be ours. Okore will get better with more games.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
They could at least show some desire, some fight passion and respect to the fans. They may be shit but still have a decent share of the blame.
Part of me feels sorry for most of the players as they're clearly out of their depth in the Premier League.
Why?
Just compare us with the fight of the Bournemouth players these last few weeks. Who the hell is Josh King? I didnt know until three weeks ago but he shows more fight and endeavour than the so called established prem player such as Scott f in Sinclair.
Dont give the players any excuses. They deserve none
Bournmouth are on a crest of a wave after promotion and the whole club is on the up. Compare that to what's happened at Villa over the last 6 seasons.
I'll save my criticisms to those who deserve it - Randy bloody Lerner.
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Why so negative when it's so obvious we have to go at teams and get wins. Draws are no good now. We may get ripped apart, but at least go fighting.
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It's time for Prince William to assume his ultimate space lizard form and start bending space-time to save us.
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I hope most of our current squad aren't around next season. They won't have the fight or effort for the championship.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
If you are defending the players because of the sheer ineptness at the top, you are wrong. What happended to pride, passion and doing a good job? The players are a disgrace, bar none. No one shows any passion
They probably do try their best but sadly they're not bloody good enough!
Do they try the best? I seriously doubt it
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Thought we were the better side second half. Gestede and Sinclair missed good headed chances which they've got to take against a side like Arsenal.
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We're done, it's about playing for pride now and preparing for next season.
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This club is dead.
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On the Villa Special trying to get away from the ground. Thought we were OK second half but shit decisions and shit substitutions cost us. Gutted
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Newcastle next isn't it? That ought to be entertaining.
I'm going to this game. For me the entertainment is a night on the lash in Newcastle.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
They could at least show some desire, some fight passion and respect to the fans. They may be shit but still have a decent share of the blame.
Part of me feels sorry for most of the players as they're clearly out of their depth in the Premier League.
Why?
Just compare us with the fight of the Bournemouth players these last few weeks. Who the hell is Josh King? I didnt know until three weeks ago but he shows more fight and endeavour than the so called established prem player such as Scott f in Sinclair.
Dont give the players any excuses. They deserve none
Bournmouth are on a crest of a wave after promotion and the whole club is on the up. Compare that to what's happened at Villa over the last 6 seasons.
I'll save my criticisms to those who deserve it - Randy bloody Lerner.
So are Watford, Leicester, Southampton, Crystal Palace..
We can't even find a way to stabilize ourselves. It only feels like a short time ago we were complaining that we couldn't push beyond mid table mediocrity, and now we can't even get three points in our wildest dreams.
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4 months without a league win. With every passing week the culture of defeat just gets stronger. Bright fucking furure they said
Its been four years like this. The team stinks of accepting defeat.
It's not the team, it's the top.
They could at least show some desire, some fight passion and respect to the fans. They may be shit but still have a decent share of the blame.
Part of me feels sorry for most of the players as they're clearly out of their depth in the Premier League.
Why?
Just compare us with the fight of the Bournemouth players these last few weeks. Who the hell is Josh King? I didnt know until three weeks ago but he shows more fight and endeavour than the so called established prem player such as Scott f in Sinclair.
Dont give the players any excuses. They deserve none
Bournmouth are on a crest of a wave after promotion and the whole club is on the up. Compare that to what's happened at Villa over the last 6 seasons.
I'll save my criticisms to those who deserve it - Randy bloody Lerner.
Thye werent on the crest of a wave in October but have seriously turned it around. We wont do the same
Lerner is at fault but please dont give the players any excuses. They deserve nothing
Finally respect for the fans still going down VP.
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Thing is with Hutton and Bacuna as full backs we're buried.
Yes, Richards and Amavi would be a massive improvement.....pity both injured. Hope Richards is fit next week.....
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We'll lose at Newcastle and be virtually down by Christmas.
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It's time for Prince William to assume his ultimate space lizard form and start bending space-time to save us.
Well that suggestion's certainly more likely than Villa avoiding the drop. ;)
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It's time for Prince William to assume his ultimate space lizard form and start bending space-time to save us.
Could not possibly be that useful.... could he?
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I thought we were ok today and should have converted those two headers in the second half. Impressed with Vertout, Ayew and Okore. We need some luck as at the moment the bounce is not going with us. Not sure what Sinclair gives to the team other than running around like a wild donkey on ice.
Just posting this whilst on the way home so what was the reason for their pen and why did Friend take so long?
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We are well and truly fucked; the only positives I can draw from today are the fact that we didn't get completely battered as any semblance of confidence would have been gone forever if it had been 0-4 or 0-5.
Oh that and the fact I had £20 on Arsenal to win/Giroud to score at 2/1 so I can at least get pissed for the rest of the week to try and forget how much all of this hurts...
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Well we always lose at the Geodies no matter how shit they are! ::) I guess if you're trying to drag a postive out of this, its that we still have to play the teams around us, so if we won those games, then that might give us a chance, but yeah I know that is clutching :-X
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When the strategy of the owner has been to be one point better than the three worse teams in the league eventually you're going to get caught out. Lerner doesn't have the fight or desire for it and his appalling choices of consecutive managers or CEO's has seen the demise of this great club. The players are trying hard I believe, but sadly they're quite simply not good enough individually or collectively.
Respect to those who are still paying to watch the slow painful demise of this great club.
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Sitting in the pub with a Man City supporting friend, and she was saying how sad and strange the Premier League will be without Villa Park. Brought it home just how impressive relegating Aston Villa is.
It will be sad and relevant for the 5 minutes the football media discuss us until they can back to talking about the issues at Chelsea, why Man U are so full despite spending another £100m and why Wenger didn't strengthen in the transfer market again. We'll be an afterthought. In fact we are an afterthought now.
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It's time for Prince William to assume his ultimate space lizard form and start bending space-time to save us.
Well FFS he is a Prince of the Kingdom surely he can make some rule changes that see us nicely sitting in the top 4?
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I started watching the match, we went 1 nil down, went sat down at the table and had my dinner, and never went back to the living room to the tv afterwards. Any passion, desire and love for watching the team has been sapped out of me, seeing my once beloved club heading in one inevitable direction, with those in charge sending us there over the last few years of complete and utter mismanagement, reckless abandon, whatever ever you want to call it.
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All we are doing is marking time until the inevitable.
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Was quite excited about garde coming but after his subs last weekend and the starting team today ive already started to lose faith, no its not his fault with the team he inherited but how adama gets only five minutes, gil doesnt start and gestede does .
If that was Watford, Bournemouth even baggies they would have all got a result , they have belief ,spirit and dont play like everyone has hd their wifes shafted by randy lerner and the general in a spit roast gang bang
Ive never pointed any blame on lerner , ive tried to keep off the message board on here but McGrath, hes absolutely shafted us and made us the laughing stock of the premiership and i mean since sky invented football.its truly embarrassing and humiliating.
We are down unless Sunderland and Newcastle get deducted 10 points or lerner decides to buy messi,ronaldo and bale .
We are pitiful , gormless,passionless and a shambles from top to the bottom , from the managers we had, the players we bought , even the
Embarrassing Facebook media posts the club seem to do , that includes you REMY . Cringe worthy and pathetic . I have no idea if we will actually get up.
I mean , hutton,richardson , lescott, gestede, gabby and joe fucking cole wouldnt get us out.
I can not believe what aston villa have become . No character ,mentality or leaders from top to bottom. We are the kwik save of the league and looked what happened to kwik save.
Yes randy you have become the kwik save of the premiership and what a season to take us down.
We need three wins on a trot , not sure i can see a goal.
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Better second half or were they up 2-0 and knew the game was already over? I thought both periods were beyond dull. We offer no surprise package whatsoever, everything is so predictable even down to how many touches we have before we pass it back.
Bottom of the league and rightly so, I watch most of the other games and this team is by far the worst in the league. On paper....no, for 90+ minutes of football....yes.
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Sitting in the pub with a Man City supporting friend, and she was saying how sad and strange the Premier League will be without Villa Park. Brought it home just how impressive relegating Aston Villa is.
It will be sad and relevant for the 5 minutes the football media discuss us until they can back to talking about the issues at Chelsea, why Man U are so full despite spending another £100m and why Wenger didn't strengthen in the transfer market again. We'll be an afterthought. In fact we are an afterthought now.
But you say that like its a bad thing! I mean do we really want the media to focus on us right about now...
In fact listening to Man Utd fans having a melt down has made this weekend worth it haha!
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I'm too big to go down
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I can not believe what aston villa have become . No character ,mentality or leaders from top to bottom. We are the kwik save of the league and looked what happened to kwik save.
Yes randy you have become the kwik save of the premiership and what a season to take us down.
Bit harsh on kwik save that.
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Away from the result, which was pretty predictable once they went 1-0 up, but what was that shit flag on the Holte End all about before the kick-off??
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I can not believe what aston villa have become . No character ,mentality or leaders from top to bottom. We are the kwik save of the league and looked what happened to kwik save.
Yes randy you have become the kwik save of the premiership and what a season to take us down.
Bit harsh on kwik save that.
I suppose i could have got a cheap vodka there to put me out of my misery , as AVFC are not giving me much.
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Didn't think we played that badly overall. If the ref doesn't change his mind about the pen, then we may well have gone in 0-0 at half time and who knows? I thought bringing on Grealish and leaving Traore until the last 5 minutes was a waste of time.
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Away from the result, which was pretty predictable once they went 1-0 up, but what was that shit flag on the Holte End all about before the kick-off??
I think it was to intimidate them.
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I fkin hate working in the rain..I fkin hate mince pies..I fkin hate xmas but most of all I fkin hate the powers who be at villa park..to them it's a job and a chance to earn loads of dollar..unless you're randy will lose loads of dollar..but to me it's the fkin football club that I love...are you listening you bastard. .fox & Co. ...the fkin football club I love..!!!
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Didn't think we played that badly overall. If the ref doesn't change his mind about the pen, then we may well have gone in 0-0 at half time and who knows? I thought bringing on Grealish and leaving Traore until the last 5 minutes was a waste of time.
We're pretty much in a nothing to lose situation. Play Traore from the start and see what happens. Him, Grealish, Gil, Kozak. Why the fuck not? The current approach isn't working. Go 3-5-2, trying something different. The full backs are a complete liability so don't play them. Garde isn't being creative enough in his approach and the defence is a fucking shambles.
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Ah those were the days....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8M7XdY2bXE
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OK we were rubbish, but they weren't nearly as good as the Sky Conspiracy made them out to be. Very dubious pen - Walcott cut across and Hutton simply tried to get him out of the way - very cute. And despite the 2n goal b eing 'a joy to watch' (Sky) they completed omitted ti mention that it started with a clear foul on the edge io their penalty area. According to them the goal was started with a good tackle. God I hate Sky and all that they stand for.
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I can not believe what aston villa have become . No character ,mentality or leaders from top to bottom. We are the kwik save of the league and looked what happened to kwik save.
Yes randy you have become the kwik save of the premiership and what a season to take us down.
Bit harsh on kwik save that.
Yeah, I think of us more as 'Costcutter'.
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Hutton whilst not the best player in the world to his credit looks like the only player who gives a shit!
And why it seems every manger uses him as our one attacking outlet I'll never know.
An absolute shambles from top to bottom, we're down now no doubt about it and so we should be. Crap.
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Ramsey wins a tackle just outside his box, races 70 metres to get on the end of the pass from Ozil to score. Just watch the Villa players. They couldn't give a shit. Wasters. Crap performance, again.
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The problem we have is that half the team do not give a shit about this crisis. They know com August they will be sold and won't play championship football. It they all had clauses that locked them into their contracts in the result of relegation then I'm sure we would be seeing a different attitude.
We are gone
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Soon be over now .
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With the points we've got at least we'd pass a breathalyzer
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Down by February so at least we wont have to endure the agony of it dragging on until May like usual.
90% dismal today with a small smattering of promising moments. It's just not happening whatever side we put out is it?, it just wont click at all. Traore comes on makes one great run that has everyone on their feet then goes and arses about on the touchline and completely makes a tit of himself a minute later. That pretty much summed up the day for me.
You can already feel the inevitability of relegation in the Witton air. Both in the stands and on the pitch. If a new manager coming in can't pick the players and their individual efforts up what can?
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2-0 up against the team 6 pts adrift at the foot of the table, who can't score and they put 11 of their players in their 6 yard box for our corners. Two dubious decisions led to their goals.
They would still have won easily anyway - but they will never in my view be seen as a great team.
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Only saw it at the time but it was right in front of me and I didn't think it was a foul for their second. Replays may show it was though.
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Well we arrived late and left early.It was more or less what we expected it to be. We do not have enough players of a sufficient standard to stay up Anybody who thinks the Championship will be a doddle is a fool. You need a certain standard of player to do well in that league and a suitable manager.
Why the current manager didn' play Kozak and Adama from the first whistle astounds me.
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This "New Manager bounce" thing, when's this happening then?
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Not the worst performance this season by any means, but we gifted them an easy win as per the norm.
However, we are not going down because we lose to Arsenal 2-0 at home. We're going down because we lose at home to Stoke, West Brom, Watford, throw away 2 goal leads at Leicester etc etc.
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When the Holte End start laughing at their own players you know the game is up
The song comparing Alan Hutton to Messi was good though - is AH now an ant-anti-hero?
Several people today saying whatever the outcome of this campaign they are not having season tickets as they just don't trust the club and are bored - can't disagree really
First half they gave us the runaround and could have had a couple more - second half we huffed and puffed but have no killer edge - Rudy did well I thought winning well over half his headers and then fluffed his lines when the goal beckoned - Traore is entertaining but we just look a million miles away from scoring ever again...
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Shit first half, much better second half if a bit toothless. Gil is our best player and should start every game. We need a proper right back and at this point I'd rather stick a promising kid there than Hutton on the basis that he may be able to defend without fouling and also cross a football. Traore is raw and at times bizarre but look at how he lifted the crowd! Start him. We either need to give Ayew a proper go up front or buy another striker in Jan. Veretout is a really good footballer in a bad side. I personally think he will be awesome next season in a better side, sadly don't think it will be ours. Okore will get better with more games.
100% agree.
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Thought we were the better side second half. Gestede and Sinclair missed good headed chances which they've got to take against a side like Arsenal.
Agreed. I totally, completely and utterly agree with everyone despairing but that performance (particularly second half) wasn't anywhere near as appalling as people are making it out. The problem is we're completely toothless up front and are a bag of nerves at the back.
I certainly don't join others in completely slating the team for a lack of fight. We clearly lack experience and leadership but the likes of Ayew and Veretout ran all day long.
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At least the weekly cock up by Sanchez didn't cost a goal today. #signsofimprovement
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Ramsey wins a tackle just outside his box, races 70 metres to get on the end of the pass from Ozil to score. Just watch the Villa players. They couldn't give a shit. Wasters. Crap performance, again.
Correct. Too many of our players are lazy twats who don't want to press. See other teams around us (or were) fighting, pressing, getting in your face. I saw Hutton do it once but that was only because he just gifted them a goal.
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Shit first half, much better second half if a bit toothless. Gil is our best player and should start every game. We need a proper right back and at this point I'd rather stick a promising kid there than Hutton on the basis that he may be able to defend without fouling and also cross a football. Traore is raw and at times bizarre but look at how he lifted the crowd! Start him. We either need to give Ayew a proper go up front or buy another striker in Jan. Veretout is a really good footballer in a bad side. I personally think he will be awesome next season in a better side, sadly don't think it will be ours. Okore will get better with more games.
100% agree.
Could've gone to Leicester.. :-X
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Did anyone spot that Cech had his slippers on and a copy of the Sunday times?
Yeah so did Guzan cos he had fuck all to do all day too, can't remember him having any significant saves to make either.
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At least the weekly cock up by Sanchez didn't cost a goal today. #signsofimprovement
Nope, Same applies for Guzan, Lescott, Hutton...
Scratch the last one
#silverlinings
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Ramsey wins a tackle just outside his box, races 70 metres to get on the end of the pass from Ozil to score. Just watch the Villa players. They couldn't give a shit. Wasters. Crap performance, again.
That was after we had robbed the ball off them and broken ourselves.
But, our break was 2 players running at Arsenal, with very little support and no one busting a gut to get up with play.
Consequently, our break, fizzled out to fuck all 20 yards from goal.
They broke, and had 4 men pressing on our back line within seconds, a second or two more the ball is in the net.
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Collectively they were pretty terrible, we still seem disjointed, flat and with no plan. I didn't think invididually anyone was too terrible although it was one of the poorest performances from Sanchez who was no protection and Hutton was bad first half. One positive is that I thought Okore and Lescott largely did well when called upon, maybe we finally might have a reasonable pairing there.
Must have been watching a different game than me then mate the only thing Hutton got wrong was one moment against the fastest player on the park Walcott. Did you have your eyes closed when Lescott made that rickett in the penalty area towards the end of the game, he never seems to want the ball and doesn't know when to go in for the tackle and when to stand off and defend a player.
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there is still no effective runner coming through the middle to join the attack, and we have no presence at all in the middle of the attack (If you can even call it that). And against the counter we look flat footed every single time. A disaster awaits with every new attack.
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I cant bring myself to accept relegation yet we haven't even got to Christmas yet
if we find a will there is a way
UTV
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Collectively they were pretty terrible, we still seem disjointed, flat and with no plan. I didn't think invididually anyone was too terrible although it was one of the poorest performances from Sanchez who was no protection and Hutton was bad first half. One positive is that I thought Okore and Lescott largely did well when called upon, maybe we finally might have a reasonable pairing there.
Must have been watching a different game than me then mate the only thing Hutton got wrong was one moment against the fastest player on the park Walcott. Did you have your eyes closed when Lescott made that rickett in the penalty area towards the end of the game, he never seems to want the ball and doesn't know when to go in for the tackle and when to stand off and defend a player.
No I didn't have my fucking eyes closed, that's why I said 'largely'. Hutton hardly passed it to a Villa player in the first half or did you have your fucking eyes closed? He was much better second half and I admire his effort.
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Well we arrived late and left early.It was more or less what we expected it to be. We do not have enough players of a sufficient standard to stay up Anybody who thinks the Championship will be a doddle is a fool. You need a certain standard of player to do well in that league and a suitable manager.
Why the current manager didn' play Kozak and Adama from the first whistle astounds me.
You also need a Chairman/Owner who gives a toss about their football club and works hard to ensure the whole organisation is geared to achieving success on (and off) the park. The complete shambles of the last 5 years will continue in The Championship next season - and beyond - all the time we have a completely disinterested idiot 'fronting' our club. It could get very ugly indeed if he doesn't sod off soon: & may well do even if he does! It's all so fecking depressing.
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I always feel Hutton often gets a free get of jail card as he clearly does try. He does put in a shift
Sadly he hasn't got any quality to go with all the effort
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Atmosphere as flat as the team today - when there's chants of 'is this a library' when we're playing Arsenal you know things are bad. Can't be arsed to post anything about the team. When Kevin Friend is the ref you just know there'll be some very weird decisions. In spite of being close to 'the incident' he didn't give anything until he saw the lino wave his flag from 40 yards away. For the second goal I thought we should have had a free kick in the build up, but hey-ho, that's just papering over the cracks. We're shit and we're going down.
Lerner has done to us exactly what he did to the Cleveland Browns, and that Browns fan's excellent rant applies as much to Villa as it did to the Browns. Factory of sadness indeed
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Did anyone spot that Cech had his slippers on and a copy of the Sunday times?
Yeah so did Guzan cos he had fuck all to do all day too, can't remember him having any significant saves to make either.
Apart from doing his weekly routine of picking the ball out of his net at least a couple of times...
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Another thing about Guzan when did he last save a penalty ? Or any Villa keeper for that matter
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Another thing about Guzan when did he last save a penalty ? Or any Villa keeper for that matter
Bozzie used to be pretty good at that.
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At least the weekly cock up by Sanchez didn't cost a goal today. #signsofimprovement
Disagree
Watch how he ball watches and fails to track back for their second. Awful. Not fit to wear the shirt
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Atmosphere as flat as the team today - when there's chants of 'is this a library' when we're playing Arsenal you know things are bad. Can't be arsed to post anything about the team. When Kevin Friend is the ref you just know there'll be some very weird decisions. In spite of being close to 'the incident' he didn't give anything until he saw the lino wave his flag from 40 yards away. For the second goal I thought we should have had a free kick in the build up, but hey-ho, that's just papering over the cracks. We're shit and we're going down.
Lerner has done to us exactly what he did to the Cleveland Browns, and that Browns fan's excellent rant applies as much to Villa as it did to the Browns. Factory of sadness indeed
But unlike the his abject tenure at The Browns, he can - and will - get the The Villa relegated.
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The other thing about Sanchez is his increased play acting, rolling around every time he's fouled
Better than Westwood yes but we need an upgrade in his position
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I agree. It's got to the point for me that I just hope we don't break yet another record this season - being relegated with the fewest ever points
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I can not believe what aston villa have become . No character ,mentality or leaders from top to bottom. We are the kwik save of the league and looked what happened to kwik save.
Yes randy you have become the kwik save of the premiership and what a season to take us down.
Bit harsh on kwik save that.
Yeah, I think of us more as 'Costcutter'.
I see us as the Key Market Kops.
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I can not believe what aston villa have become . No character ,mentality or leaders from top to bottom. We are the kwik save of the league and looked what happened to kwik save.
Yes randy you have become the kwik save of the premiership and what a season to take us down.
Bit harsh on kwik save that.
Yeah, I think of us more as 'Costcutter'.
I see us as the Key Market Kops.
The difference is that the owners of Kwik Save made a fortune. Randy hasnt and wont
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AND...Newcastle equalise against the spuds - :-(
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At least the weekly cock up by Sanchez didn't cost a goal today. #signsofimprovement
Disagree
Watch how he ball watches and fails to track back for their second. Awful. Not fit to wear the shirt
Yeah, I noticed it too and thought he was poor today. I've always thought there's a good player in there and that he'd come good but I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever really quite get on the pace. I also think with 3 in the middle the protective player isn't quite so important because you have the numbers in there and I think a player who can get forward and join attacks might be more important to us.
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Didn't think we played that badly overall. If the ref doesn't change his mind about the pen, then we may well have gone in 0-0 at half time and who knows? I thought bringing on Grealish and leaving Traore until the last 5 minutes was a waste of time.
In ClampyLand we won 3-2. In the real world we lost again and are heading out of the league.
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It's now got to the point where we don't bother analysing the game on the way home as we knew what happened was going to happen on the way to the game.
Disappointing that Garde seems to be as cautious as Lambert was in the end after only 5 games.
Sherwood got the results he did last season by throwing caution to the wind ( admittedly with better players)
So why does this guy not have a go?
Sending Traore on with 5 minutes to go was a joke and persisting with Just head who missed a good chance from a cross just defies logic.
Al in all can't see where the next win is coming from and it's very sad and embarrassing.
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At least the weekly cock up by Sanchez didn't cost a goal today. #signsofimprovement
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Watch how he ball watches and fails to track back for their second. Awful. Not fit to wear the shirt
We had 4 players goalside when that break started. Only 1 tracked back.
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The other thing about Sanchez is his increased play acting, rolling around every time he's fouled
Better than Westwood yes but we need an upgrade in his position
Apparently he marked Messi out of the Copa America. Never seen any such form for us
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The other thing about Sanchez is his increased play acting, rolling around every time he's fouled
Better than Westwood yes but we need an upgrade in his position
We need an upgrade in every single position, it aint gonna happen for a while though with those muppets running the club.
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At least the weekly cock up by Sanchez didn't cost a goal today. #signsofimprovement
Disagree
Watch how he ball watches and fails to track back for their second. Awful. Not fit to wear the shirt
Yeah, I noticed it too and thought he was poor today. I've always thought there's a good player in there and that he'd come good but I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever really quite get on the pace. I also think with 3 in the middle the protective player isn't quite so important because you have the numbers in there and I think a player who can get forward and join attacks might be more important to us.
Frustrating player, Sanchez. In mere moments, he can go from looking like an established international midfielder with poise and power, to a bloke who doesn't know which way round his own feet are.
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Hutton does show passion and gives his all but how crap was he in that first half? Richards at right back please when he's fit , Bacuna did ok and I'd leave him at left back until we sign a proper player for that position.
How we need a big nasty bastard / leader in midfield , any suggestions?
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How we need a big nasty bastard / leader in midfield , any suggestions?
Randy sends jet to cereal cafe in London
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Another thing about Guzan when did he last save a penalty ? Or any Villa keeper for that matter
Bozzie used to be pretty good at that.
Those were the days, decent keeper, decent team, cup finals, top 6 etc etc
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How we need a big nasty bastard / leader in midfield , any suggestions?
Randy sends jet to cereal cafe in London
Keegan got a tune out of the Honey Monster so who knows?
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mvnbh
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Goals and highlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/Iqardfy1/#video)
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argh!
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At least the weekly cock up by Sanchez didn't cost a goal today. #signsofimprovement
Disagree
Watch how he ball watches and fails to track back for their second. Awful. Not fit to wear the shirt
Yeah, I noticed it too and thought he was poor today. I've always thought there's a good player in there and that he'd come good but I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever really quite get on the pace. I also think with 3 in the middle the protective player isn't quite so important because you have the numbers in there and I think a player who can get forward and join attacks might be more important to us.
Frustrating player, Sanchez. In mere moments, he can go from looking like an established international midfielder with poise and power, to a bloke who doesn't know which way round his own feet are.
Mind you, I thought similar with Traore, looked like Pele with that run from inside our half, and then 2 mins later looked like a fan who'd ran on the pitch. Still like to see him involved more though.
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Newcastle just picked up a last-gasp win at Spurs.
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Bastard spuds are getting done by the barcodes too. We are well and truly screwed.
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Collectively they were pretty terrible, we still seem disjointed, flat and with no plan. I didn't think invididually anyone was too terrible although it was one of the poorest performances from Sanchez who was no protection and Hutton was bad first half. One positive is that I thought Okore and Lescott largely did well when called upon, maybe we finally might have a reasonable pairing there.
Must have been watching a different game than me then mate the only thing Hutton got wrong was one moment against the fastest player on the park Walcott. Did you have your eyes closed when Lescott made that rickett in the penalty area towards the end of the game, he never seems to want the ball and doesn't know when to go in for the tackle and when to stand off and defend a player.
No I didn't have my fucking eyes closed, that's why I said 'largely'. Hutton hardly passed it to a Villa player in the first half or did you have your fucking eyes closed? He was much better second half and I admire his effort.
He's a poor player and symptomatic of our current position. Not good enough to be in a poor squad two seasons ago, yet somehow has become a regular in the side. Same with Guzan last season, dropped for Given yet somehow finds himself back as a starter. No wonder we are comfortably the worse team in the league
Went to the game today and the only real positives were Okore looked solid a after a shaky start, Veretout looked OK at times and I thought Ayew looked decent on the left, which I think is his best position.
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You seen that flea bitten camel on the beach in Tunisia?
The one with the limp?
The one everyone's laughing at?
Well that was supposed to be a thorough bred Arab stallion, designed by a committee.
Our transfer committee.
Never mind, when we drop to the championship, we'll buy young and hungry players from the third tier.
Oh......
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Disgusting! Never a pen!
Nasty cheat Walcot fell to the ground - no touch.
Shameful!
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1992 and our first Premier League line-up vs Arsenal - Spink, Staunton, Barrett, Teale, McGrath, Houghton, Parker, Richardson, Froggatt, Saunders and Atkinson.
1998 season when we last beat Arsenal - Oakes, Watson, Ehiogu, Southgate, Barry, Wright, Taylor, Hendrie, Thompson, Joachim, Dublin.
Look at the shower we've got now. Not one of them would fit in either of those lineups in favour of one of the others.
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Disgusting! Never a pen!
Nasty cheat Walcot fell to the ground - no touch.
Shameful!
The TV pictures suggested otherwise.I think the tackle that led to the second was a foul though or at least would have been given by most Refs.
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RANDY LEARNER - YOU'VE FAILED!
RANDY LEARNER - YOU'RE FIRED!
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total abject performance arsenal didnt even get out of first gear, we are just so slow, ponderous and predictable, we look no different than under tsm, lambert and sherwood
garde really pissed me off, traore with 5 mins left?
fucking why?
anyway we are down now if you take gd into account 9 points adrift
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RANDY LEARNER - YOU'VE FAILED!
RANDY LEARNER - YOU'RE FIRED!
And you can take those useless bastards Clarke and Guzman with you.
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I'm sorry but all the comments on here claiming the club are 'dead' are fucking bullshit. The team is shit, the owner is colossally out of his depth and the manager does not appear to be up for the scrap ahead. We are nailed on to be relegated this season, but dead? Get a fucking grip.
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Disgusting! Never a pen!
Nasty cheat Walcot fell to the ground - no touch.
Shameful!
The TV pictures suggested otherwise.I think the tackle that led to the second was a foul though or at least would have been given by most Refs.
I saw both incidents on telly & both decisions were correct IMO - although how Kevin 'No Bloody' Friend had to take his cue from the Lino to make the call beggars belief.
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Walcot too easily went to ground - bought the penalty.
30 - 40 yrs ago, refs wouldn't give these the time of day, and rightly so.
They'd turn and sprint up the pitch - no pen. Never. Ever.
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12/1 on now for the drop, soon the bookies will stop taking any more bets.
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Walcot too easily went to ground - bought the penalty.
30 - 40 yrs ago, refs wouldn't give these the time of day, and rightly so.
They'd turn and sprint up the pitch - no pen. Never. Ever.
Couldn't see from me seat in the Lower Nirth but according not to Stanley Victor it was a stonewaller. Annoying that the ref gestured no pen then appeared to change his mind.
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Walcot too easily went to ground - bought the penalty.
30 - 40 yrs ago, refs wouldn't give these the time of day, and rightly so.
They'd turn and sprint up the pitch - no pen. Never. Ever.
Yes but it's not 30 or 40 years ago sadly. It happens nowadays.
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It was a blatant penalty. I was shocked when the ref didn't give it initially and thought we'd got away with one.
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I'm sorry but all the comments on here claiming the club are 'dead' are fucking bullshit. The team is shit, the owner is colossally out of his depth and the manager does not appear to be up for the scrap ahead. We are nailed on to be relegated this season, but dead? Get a fucking grip.
Quite right.
With the exception of the national joke of a team, the absentee owner who is one of the worst 'leaders' we've ever seen in sport - two of them, and the fact we are nailed on to get relegated, everything is fine.
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Walcot too easily went to ground - bought the penalty.
30 - 40 yrs ago, refs wouldn't give these the time of day, and rightly so.
They'd turn and sprint up the pitch - no pen. Never. Ever.
The ref, who was 10 yards away doesn't see it as a penalty, but the linesman, who's 50 yards away can see it & gives it. Fucking attrocious decision but it goes by without a murmur because it only Aston Villa. Our players just accept it too.
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Never seen or heard Villa Park as soulless and lifeless as today. It has been sucked out of the crowd, I've already accepted we're down and it seems many others have aswell. Everyone was waiting for the inevitable to happen.
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The Arsenal songs wound me up today. 4-0 in a cup final. Down with the Chelsea. That's why you're going down. Cruel bastards but then I suppose we'd have done the same if situation reversed.
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RANDY LEARNER - YOU'VE FAILED!
RANDY LEARNER - YOU'RE FIRED!
And you can take those useless bastards Clarke and Guzman with you.
Chortle
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Due to train cancellations and trains that weren't cancelled being late I missed the first 33 minutes .
Today was as flat as I've seen , no singing at all , hardly anybody stood up at all today , which shows there is nothing to stand up for .
My youngest said "do you think we will win a game at home this season dad ?" Pretty much somes things up .
Today has been nothing more than a chore , with not one bit of pleasure , my eldest didn't even go today as he basically said I can't watch it anymore . I don't blame him .
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Walcot too easily went to ground - bought the penalty.
30 - 40 yrs ago, refs wouldn't give these the time of day, and rightly so.
They'd turn and sprint up the pitch - no pen. Never. Ever.
The ref, who was 10 yards away doesn't see it as a penalty, but the linesman, who's 50 yards away can see it & gives it. Fucking attrocious decision but it goes by without a murmur because it only Aston Villa. Our players just accept it too.
I accept it because a clever, quick player got in front of our lumbering buffoon.
He had his arms on the back of him.
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RANDY LEARNER - YOU'VE FAILED!
RANDY LEARNER - YOU'RE FIRED!
And you can take those useless bastards Clarke and Guzman with you.
And sack the manger.
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Definite penalty. Poor by the ref not to give it straight away
http://youtu.be/cWT9pOi_sYU
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Walcot too easily went to ground - bought the penalty.
30 - 40 yrs ago, refs wouldn't give these the time of day, and rightly so.
They'd turn and sprint up the pitch - no pen. Never. Ever.
Hutton grabbed Walcott's shirt in the penalty area. It's a foul: therefore a penalty. Clutching at straws will not alter the fact that Arsenal won the game far too easily and we were individually & collectively shite. Yet again.
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So sad, so poor. When I looked at the pre match thread putting forward possible teams I nearly cried. I've been going since 1970 and this is the worst group of players I can remember. Absolute rubbish. How on earth did we get to this?? Who at the club thought that gestede was premiership class?? I can't believe where we are right now. If I could I would sell the whole lot if anybody would want this total rubbish.
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So sad, so poor. When I looked at the pre match thread putting forward possible teams I nearly cried. I've been going since 1970 and this is the worst group of players I can remember. Absolute rubbish. How on earth did we get to this?? Who at the club thought that gestede was premiership class?? I can't believe where we are right now. If I could I would sell the whole lot if anybody would want this total rubbish.
I also went to my first match at VP in 1970 - & like you I don't think I've witnessed a worse Villa side in my life. I thought the 'Joe 90' debacle was the (ahem) benchmark for abject crap, but I reckon this mob have plummeted to a new low.
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1998 last time Villa beat Arse..estimates on next chance? 20yrs to get out of championship and then...?
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Today was as flat as I've seen , no singing at all , hardly anybody stood up at all today , which shows there is nothing to stand up for .
My youngest said "do you think we will win a game at home this season dad ?" Pretty much somes things up .
Today has been nothing more than a chore , with not one bit of pleasure
Exactly how we all feel in our family group. We turn up every match but the expectation level is nil and the team never threaten to change that feeling.
We rarely get any of the pressing and chasing shown by other teams, which surely is the absolute minimum prerequisite of the players. It's evident that none of them has any confidence in each other and they know that they are not good enough to change things and that spirals down into a communal shrug that envelopes the whole team.
Since Garde took over, I've seen no signs of improvement either.
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Armed insurrection - we're being taken for mindless fools blinded by loyalty and taken for granted - time to bare our fangs and show the shower of shit running our club that we've had a bellyful of their cack-handed fumblings with a Previously World standard sporting institution. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!.
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Maybe Garde has sent Santa a letter? I elfing hope so.
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Maybe Garde has sent Santa a letter? I elfing hope so.
My cat behaves like that when not fed for a while.
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Armed insurrection - we're being taken for mindless fools blinded by loyalty and taken for granted - time to bare our fangs and show the shower of shit running our club that we've had a bellyful of their cack-handed fumblings with a Previously World standard sporting institution. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!.
And do what, exactly?
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Armed insurrection - we're being taken for mindless fools blinded by loyalty and taken for granted - time to bare our fangs and show the shower of shit running our club that we've had a bellyful of their cack-handed fumblings with a Previously World standard sporting institution. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!.
And do what, exactly?
(http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae360/regretfully/simpsons-villagers-pitchfork-torches.jpg)
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I think Walcott bought the penalty.
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Please villa just a bit of pride
Please villa show some fight
Please villa lets go down with our heads held high.
Am I asking to much
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Well a not unexpected defeat, what bothers me is how unearth do you get a team that hasn't won for 15 games to get a win I think we could get into the 20s before it happens.
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I think Walcott bought the penalty.
He put himself in a position where it was likely that McCafu would foul him. Good forward play.
Nice to meet you today Brian
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Please villa just a bit of pride
Please villa show some fight
Please villa lets go down with our heads held high.
Am I asking to much
yes
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The result wasn't unexpected, the worrying thing though is the whole acceptance of it, players seemed happy that it was only 0-2, crowd was dead even before kick off, were going without a whimper.
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Armed insurrection - we're being taken for mindless fools blinded by loyalty and taken for granted - time to bare our fangs and show the shower of shit running our club that we've had a bellyful of their cack-handed fumblings with a Previously World standard sporting institution. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!.
And do what, exactly?
The underlying message is that talking on message boards like this lost its impact long ago, visible action is the next level, the supporters discontent with the current regime is wel known (excepting Garde as this is none of his making) high-profile protests are probably the only legal option left open to us, to simply turn up (or not as the case may be) and grumble in the pub afterwards is just giving in to the sort of shoulder-shrugging mediocrity that got us into this mess in the first place.
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Probably the most upsetting thing for Learner and Fox today,is that only 33,285 bothered to turn up for a game against Arsenal
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
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Probably the most upsetting thing for Learner and Fox today,is that only 33,285 bothered to turn up for a game against Arsenal
I doubt either are or would be upset. They are clueless and therefore have no understanding of the predicamant Aston Villa and its fans are in. They live in a deluded skewed world that is not the world we live in.
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The last thing this club needs in the present situation is a protest.
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Lerner.
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Probably the most upsetting thing for Learner and Fox today,is that only 33,285 bothered to turn up for a game against Arsenal
Bearing in mind we've only won one league game all season and are stranded at the bottom, you could argue it's not that bad a crowd.
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Lerner.
Is this that start of a word association game. If so..
Fool.
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Can we form a committee now to organise the end of season last game party to end all of last game parties
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
As paying supporters of the club looking on as this sorry mess unfolds it would be irresponsible of us to just allow it without protest, as for wanting to sell, we have no control over who and when - but to remain invisible in all this is just supine.
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
As paying supporters of the club looking on as this sorry mess unfolds it would be irresponsible of us to just allow it without protest, as for wanting to sell, we have no control over who and when - but to remain invisible in all this is just supine.
But he wants to sell. He's just not found the right buyer. So what would you be protesting about exactly?
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I'll say it again, and for the final time. How do you want to protest and what do you want to get out of it?
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
Quite.
Actually, perhaps it might be helpful if a cuppla-3 supporters -as representatives of the fans - went out to the good ol' US of A & put some pertinent questions to Randolph (assuming he was 'prepared' to break his silence & cover to have such a meeting, obviously). I'd certainly put a few sheckels into the pot to help make it happen - coz the bugger's not gonna come over here and face the music.
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I think Walcott bought the penalty.
Yes, but by God we sell them cheap.
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Back home, I thought it reasonable performances from a team with no confidence against a team second in the league, you need a bit of luck when you play Arsenal, we didn't have any, doh. We need ten points from next four matches. We will know our fate by January 2nd
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
For our own pride? We still have some in the club, unlike the owner.
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
As paying supporters of the club looking on as this sorry mess unfolds it would be irresponsible of us to just allow it without protest, as for wanting to sell, we have no control over who and when - but to remain invisible in all this is just supine.
But he wants to sell. He's just not found the right buyer. So what would you be protesting about exactly?
Oh I don't know, to show our disgust at the way he's ran us into the ground over the last 6 years?
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
For our own pride? We still have some in the club, unlike the owner.
Exactly how the most pointless protest in history would do anything for anyone's pride is beyond me but feel free to organise it.
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
For our own pride? We still have some in the club, unlike the owner.
People are hurting - feeling helpless and hopeless - they just want to do something to help the club they love
I don't think it would do any good either btw but it may make some feel they tried something/anything
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
As paying supporters of the club looking on as this sorry mess unfolds it would be irresponsible of us to just allow it without protest, as for wanting to sell, we have no control over who and when - but to remain invisible in all this is just supine.
But he wants to sell. He's just not found the right buyer. So what would you be protesting about exactly?
Oh I don't know, to show our disgust at the way he's ran us into the ground over the last 6 years?
Fine, but it won't help us in our fight to stop up, which is the most important thing right now.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
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And what would be the aim of such protests? To get rid of an owner who is 4,000 miles away, owns every blade of grass on the pitch and every brick in every wall of the ground and wants to go anyway?
For our own pride? We still have some in the club, unlike the owner.
Exactly how the most pointless protest in history would do anything for anyone's pride is beyond me but feel free to organise it.
Well it may prove that we're not all nodding dogs.
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As supporters, the only real way you can protest in the situation we are in, is to stay away. Lerner wants to sell but cannot find a buyer, we are told. Staying away will affect the club through lost revenue, so that action would actually harm the club.
Lerner has to make a decision to break the status quo. Does he invest £50m in player acquisitions or does he reduce the asking price by £50m as I think it is something of this magnitude that is required. With the latter, he loses another £50m, with the former he is gambling on being able to make it back by enhancing the value of the club.
The current malaise is down to trying to maintain the status quo and at the same time, find a buyer. Time stands still for nobody and the inaction is killing us.
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Steve Mclaren is expecting a tough game next weekend, I can only assume the team he selects will be full of competition winners or he hasn't actually watched Aston Villa this season.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
Good luck with yours.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
Good luck with yours.
And you with yours. I'm sure you'll muster a handful.
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Steve Mclaren is expecting a tough game next weekend, I can only assume the team he selects will be full of competition winners or he hasn't actually watched Aston Villa this season.
He has to say that. Really he's rubbing his hands with glee at playing the whipping boys and making it an unthinkable 3 wins on the trot for them. We won't win 3 all season.
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If you don't see the point of a protest against an owner who wants to sell a club that nobody wants to buy then you are a 'Lerner sycophant'?
At what stage is 'happy clapper' going to be mentioned?
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The Newcastle match is our most important league game in years in my opinion. Losing it is unthinkable.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
Good luck with yours.
And you with yours. I'm sure you'll muster a handful.
Thank you for the kind words. I'll see what I can do.
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At the final home defeat of the season we should unfurl an enormous banner saying: "The Randy Lerner is a silly sausage."
That'll tell him.
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The Newcastle match is our most important league game in years in my opinion. Losing it is unthinkable.
Heard that before..
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
There really is no need for that.
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The Newcastle match is our most important league game in years in my opinion. Losing it is unthinkable.
Heard that before..
We all have, but when was the last time you heard it when we were rock bottom of the league at Christmas and 8 points from safety?
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
There really is no need for that.
I was replying to a sarcastic post with a sarcastic retort.
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I'll say it again, and for the final time. How do you want to protest and what do you want to get out of it?
This could go on for a long time, suffice to say it's all about being heard. I'm sure if this situation was replicated at Old Trafford, Anfield or the Emirates there would be some VERY high profile protests, as for getting anything out of it, that's debatable, but it's better than giving in, also "I'll say it again and for the final time" - really??...
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
There really is no need for that.
I was replying to a sarcastic post with a sarcastic retort.
What was sarcastic about my post? I asked if you were going to organise a protest. What was wrong with that?
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As supporters, the only real way you can protest in the situation we are in, is to stay away. Lerner wants to sell but cannot find a buyer, we are told. Staying away will affect the club through lost revenue, so that action would actually harm the club.
Lerner has to make a decision to break the status quo. Does he invest £50m in player acquisitions or does he reduce the asking price by £50m as I think it is something of this magnitude that is required. With the latter, he loses another £50m, with the former he is gambling on being able to make it back by enhancing the value of the club.
The current malaise is down to trying to maintain the status quo and at the same time, find a buyer. Time stands still for nobody and the inaction is killing us.
I think your numbers are a little out, the difference in value between the Championship and Pl is enormous at least £100 million, probably a lot more.
I doubt there are any buyers above say £30 million when we are relegated.
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Yes, really. There's no point in organising a protest that has no aim and there's less point in debating the issue.
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I'll say it again, and for the final time. How do you want to protest and what do you want to get out of it?
This could go on for a long time, suffice to say it's all about being heard. I'm sure if this situation was replicated at Old Trafford, Anfield or the Emirates there would be some VERY high profile protests, as for getting anything out of it, that's debatable, but it's better than giving in, also "I'll say it again and for the final time" - really??...
Spot on. Imagine if a similar sized club like Spurs or Everton had suffered the last 6 seasons as we have, do you honestly think their fan base would be as placid as we've been?
Not chance in my opinion.
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This team isn't as bad as the 87 lot. We'll beat Newcastle and give us something of a chance.
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If you don't see the point of a protest against an owner who wants to sell a club that nobody wants to buy then you are a 'Lerner sycophant'?
At what stage is 'happy clapper' going to be mentioned?
Honestly! Folk will be 'screaming for a policeman' next...
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I'll say it again, and for the final time. How do you want to protest and what do you want to get out of it?
This could go on for a long time, suffice to say it's all about being heard. I'm sure if this situation was replicated at Old Trafford, Anfield or the Emirates there would be some VERY high profile protests, as for getting anything out of it, that's debatable, but it's better than giving in, also "I'll say it again and for the final time" - really??...
Spot on. Imagine if a similar sized club like Spurs or Everton had suffered the last 6 seasons as we have, do you honestly think their fan base would be as placid as we've been?
Not chance in my opinion.
Spurs booed their team off today after losing for the first time since the opening day of the season. Shocking.
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This team isn't as bad as the 87 lot. We'll beat Newcastle and give us something of a chance.
Tut tut. Drinking on a school night
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Yes, really. There's no point in organising a protest that has no aim and there's less point in debating the issue.
Yep, as the alternative to what is happening now is that Lerner puts in more money.
He probably realises that it's a bit late for that now.
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Didn't think we played that badly overall. If the ref doesn't change his mind about the pen, then we may well have gone in 0-0 at half time and who knows? I thought bringing on Grealish and leaving Traore until the last 5 minutes was a waste of time.
In ClampyLand we won 3-2. In the real world we lost again and are heading out of the league.
Ha!
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Today when the supporters have become resigned to relegation; no ifs and buts.
People walking downstairs after 20 mins.
Arsenal although helped by some liberal refereeing decisions, still took the piss and better finishing by them it could and should have finished by a rugby score.
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This team isn't as bad as the 87 lot. We'll beat Newcastle and give us something of a chance.
Tut tut. Drinking on a school night
Drinking yes, school night, I wish. There's enough of the makings of a half decent side amongst that lot. If, they could cut out the ridiculous errors. I thought Ayew, Okore and Gil were good for their part.
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Didn't think we played that badly overall. If the ref doesn't change his mind about the pen, then we may well have gone in 0-0 at half time and who knows? I thought bringing on Grealish and leaving Traore until the last 5 minutes was a waste of time.
In ClampyLand we won 3-2. In the real world we lost again and are heading out of the league.
Did I say we'd won?
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I'll say it again, and for the final time. How do you want to protest and what do you want to get out of it?
This could go on for a long time, suffice to say it's all about being heard. I'm sure if this situation was replicated at Old Trafford, Anfield or the Emirates there would be some VERY high profile protests, as for getting anything out of it, that's debatable, but it's better than giving in, also "I'll say it again and for the final time" - really??...
Spot on. Imagine if a similar sized club like Spurs or Everton had suffered the last 6 seasons as we have, do you honestly think their fan base would be as placid as we've been?
Not chance in my opinion.
Being shit has become the norm for us. The one thing the club has been very good at is downgrading fans expectations to the point that many fans no longer believe we are a big club anymore
Lerner has been a complete and utter disaster and I feel things could get a lot worse.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Oh I agree. He doesn't give two fucks about the club, but as I said if fans want to protest for pride's sake then go ahead. Better than just sitting there and taking it on the chin without anpven the merest hint of protest.
Are you going to organise it, what with you being one of his biggest critics?
Okay I'll organise the anti Lerner protest and you can organise the Lerner sychophant defence brigade march.
There really is no need for that.
I was replying to a sarcastic post with a sarcastic retort.
Never mind what you thought you were replying to, please don't continue it.
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Hutton, tries but he's shit. One of the worst right backs in the division, his positioning is terrible.
Bacuna, garbage, crap at all trades, offers nothing.
Gueye, really seems to have disappeared since the first few games, doesn't effect the game at all.
Sanchez, lazy liability, not up to scratch.
Sinclair, shite, anonymous, weak.
Gestede, rubbish, closes down defenders with a slow ambling jog. Doesn't link anything up, just a really shit all round game.
Ayew is having to drop too deep to get in to the game. Nice player though.
When 7 of your starting line up are awful awful players then you know the game is up and you are going down. There were no positives today, Arsenal are weakened and back from a midweek trip to Greece, we started slow, gave them a goal then disappeared and didn't compete for anything, didn't get in their faces, just sat back and watched them pass circles around us. Completely shit. Second half, if we'd have scored I've no doubt Arsenal would have stepped it up again and sorted us out. At times we played like a training game, no intensity, no desire, no will to win. The worst group of players I've ever seen at Villa Park a complete embarrassment of a team, Chairman and back room.
We need to start again, from the very very beginning. They are ruining the clubs reputation at the moment. We are being laughed at weekly.
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Watching the game today, it was clear to me that our underlying problem is the back 5. It is a main reason why the midfield and forward are not functioning. Things that stand out as massive problems with the back 5 are: uncertainty, indecision, and lack of composure which you can put down mainly to lack of confidence, then come the real problems ..... poor positioning, no communication, playing players into trouble with passes, poor passing, unable to clear the ball cleanly, poor/weak challenges, easily pushed off the ball, failure to play as a unit, leaving massive gaps and probably a few more as well. We are unable to effectively bring the ball out of defence and put ourselves in an attacking position.
People give Hutton praise because they say he puts effort in but I do not think he does. His trotting back (if it actually reaches that pace) after the ball is lost up field is really annoying me. For the second goal he was in front of Gana when the play broke down. The question to me is why was he so far forward, he is a fullback leaving half the pitch exposed to the counter attack. When they broke and had 3 on 1 I looked for Hutton's position on the replay after Ramsey scored and Hutton had only just made it back into our half. Hutton is doing the easy stuff getting forward but is unwilling to do the hard work in getting back. I am getting fed up with his half-hearted attempts at tackling, preferring to use his upper body weight and arms rather get into a good position to tackle or hold up play. This to me is a symptomatic of a very lazy approach to the game. What does he actually do when he pushes forward, it usually leads to a poor cross or putting other player under pressure with a ball inside and a massive gap behind him. The guy is a poor player in my opinion and should not be in the side. I would much prefer to see a more defensive fullback and leave the attacking out wide to midfield players or forwards so that we are more cohesive at the back.
I could go on in detail about the other defensive players but my general points above some it up. We desperately need to bring in new defenders to the club that can actually defend. Traditionally, that means a big lump in the centre that dominates the opposition forwards and a more ball playing player alongside and that's the way I think we should go. I think Okore could be that ball playing player when his confidence grows a bit. We then need two solid fullbacks and a goalkeeper that does not put the fear of God into the rest of the team, the fans and, I am sure, the manager.
The positives to me today were again, Ayew for his non-stop running and covering and Veretout for always making himself available, picking out good passes and being a player at last that offers some threat from dead ball kicks.
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Hutton and Sanchez are two of the worst players in the league, they wouldn't get near anyone else's team.
How some people rate Sanchez is beyond me. Slow, pedestrian, dallies on the ball, lazy. Hutton is just utter turd.
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Sanchez didn't have one of his best games today, although he did spray some decent passes around at times. I'm not a fan of Hutton either. Richards has to go in his place once he's back.
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Hutton and Sanchez are two of the worst players in the league, they wouldn't get near anyone else's team.
How some people rate Sanchez is beyond me. Slow, pedestrian, dallies on the ball, lazy. Hutton is just utter turd.
Sanchez or Westwood
Hutton or Bacuna
Guzan or a Lamp Post
Not a lot of choice really.
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I understand all the arguments regarding protesting but, at the end of the day, I'm inclined to think that we as a club will come out of such a thing looking silly and it just won't lift or help the team in any case. I don't want us to be portrayed as a Newcastle United basket case kind of club with the media having a right old laugh at our expense.
Lerner has got away lightly over the past five years and there were many moments when we could - and perhaps should - have protested but such a time has passed now in my view. As I said earlier, I just want Lerner to come out, show leadership and direction and address the fans. It's a simple thing but it would be appreciated in the sense that he would be showing some kind of solidarity with everyone. We need leadership, we need hope. Who knows, it might actually pull us all together and get us scrapping. If he could announce that we're going to lay on free buses to all remaining away games this season and do all that we can to make the most of the next five months it would be even more appreciated and show fight. There's been a leadership and communication vacuum at the top of the club for too long now. As a final throw of the dice the owner of the club could break the (costly, ill thought-out) habit of a life time and fill both.
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As supporters, the only real way you can protest in the situation we are in, is to stay away. Lerner wants to sell but cannot find a buyer, we are told. Staying away will affect the club through lost revenue, so that action would actually harm the club.
Lerner has to make a decision to break the status quo. Does he invest £50m in player acquisitions or does he reduce the asking price by £50m as I think it is something of this magnitude that is required. With the latter, he loses another £50m, with the former he is gambling on being able to make it back by enhancing the value of the club.
The current malaise is down to trying to maintain the status quo and at the same time, find a buyer. Time stands still for nobody and the inaction is killing us.
I think your numbers are a little out, the difference in value between the Championship and Pl is enormous at least £100 million, probably a lot more.
I doubt there are any buyers above say £30 million when we are relegated.
I was talking about what would be needed to get thinks moving not the relative differences in value between clubs in the PL or Championship. Completely disagree with your £30m valuation.
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As supporters, the only real way you can protest in the situation we are in, is to stay away. Lerner wants to sell but cannot find a buyer, we are told. Staying away will affect the club through lost revenue, so that action would actually harm the club.
Lerner has to make a decision to break the status quo. Does he invest £50m in player acquisitions or does he reduce the asking price by £50m as I think it is something of this magnitude that is required. With the latter, he loses another £50m, with the former he is gambling on being able to make it back by enhancing the value of the club.
The current malaise is down to trying to maintain the status quo and at the same time, find a buyer. Time stands still for nobody and the inaction is killing us.
I think your numbers are a little out, the difference in value between the Championship and Pl is enormous at least £100 million, probably a lot more.
I doubt there are any buyers above say £30 million when we are relegated.
I was talking about what would be needed to get thinks moving not the relative differences in value between clubs in the PL or Championship. Completely disagree with your £30m valuation.
You said he could gamble £50million on player acquisitions or lose £50million off the asking price. Confused
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Who's going to come in January now? We are so far behind.
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Watching the game today, it was clear to me that our underlying problem is the back 5. It is a main reason why the midfield and forward are not functioning. Things that stand out as massive problems with the back 5 are: uncertainty, indecision, and lack of composure which you can put down mainly to lack of confidence, then come the real problems ..... poor positioning, no communication, playing players into trouble with passes, poor passing, unable to clear the ball cleanly, poor/weak challenges, easily pushed off the ball, failure to play as a unit, leaving massive gaps and probably a few more as well. We are unable to effectively bring the ball out of defence and put ourselves in an attacking position.
People give Hutton praise because they say he puts effort in but I do not think he does. His trotting back (if it actually reaches that pace) after the ball is lost up field is really annoying me. For the second goal he was in front of Gana when the play broke down. The question to me is why was he so far forward, he is a fullback leaving half the pitch exposed to the counter attack. When they broke and had 3 on 1 I looked for Hutton's position on the replay after Ramsey scored and Hutton had only just made it back into our half. Hutton is doing the easy stuff getting forward but is unwilling to do the hard work in getting back. I am getting fed up with his half-hearted attempts at tackling, preferring to use his upper body weight and arms rather get into a good position to tackle or hold up play. This to me is a symptomatic of a very lazy approach to the game. What does he actually do when he pushes forward, it usually leads to a poor cross or putting other player under pressure with a ball inside and a massive gap behind him. The guy is a poor player in my opinion and should not be in the side. I would much prefer to see a more defensive fullback and leave the attacking out wide to midfield players or forwards so that we are more cohesive at the back.
I could go on in detail about the other defensive players but my general points above some it up. We desperately need to bring in new defenders to the club that can actually defend. Traditionally, that means a big lump in the centre that dominates the opposition forwards and a more ball playing player alongside and that's the way I think we should go. I think Okore could be that ball playing player when his confidence grows a bit. We then need two solid fullbacks and a goalkeeper that does not put the fear of God into the rest of the team, the fans and, I am sure, the manager.
The positives to me today were again, Ayew for his non-stop running and covering and Veretout for always making himself available, picking out good passes and being a player at last that offers some threat from dead ball kicks.
Absolutely spot on Old Man.
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As supporters, the only real way you can protest in the situation we are in, is to stay away. Lerner wants to sell but cannot find a buyer, we are told. Staying away will affect the club through lost revenue, so that action would actually harm the club.
Lerner has to make a decision to break the status quo. Does he invest £50m in player acquisitions or does he reduce the asking price by £50m as I think it is something of this magnitude that is required. With the latter, he loses another £50m, with the former he is gambling on being able to make it back by enhancing the value of the club.
The current malaise is down to trying to maintain the status quo and at the same time, find a buyer. Time stands still for nobody and the inaction is killing us.
I think your numbers are a little out, the difference in value between the Championship and Pl is enormous at least £100 million, probably a lot more.
I doubt there are any buyers above say £30 million when we are relegated.
I was talking about what would be needed to get thinks moving not the relative differences in value between clubs in the PL or Championship. Completely disagree with your £30m valuation.
You said he could gamble £50million on player acquisitions or lose £50million off the asking price. Confused
To break the deadlock, not cure the problem.
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As supporters, the only real way you can protest in the situation we are in, is to stay away. Lerner wants to sell but cannot find a buyer, we are told. Staying away will affect the club through lost revenue, so that action would actually harm the club.
Lerner has to make a decision to break the status quo. Does he invest £50m in player acquisitions or does he reduce the asking price by £50m as I think it is something of this magnitude that is required. With the latter, he loses another £50m, with the former he is gambling on being able to make it back by enhancing the value of the club.
The current malaise is down to trying to maintain the status quo and at the same time, find a buyer. Time stands still for nobody and the inaction is killing us.
I think your numbers are a little out, the difference in value between the Championship and Pl is enormous at least £100 million, probably a lot more.
I doubt there are any buyers above say £30 million when we are relegated.
I was talking about what would be needed to get thinks moving not the relative differences in value between clubs in the PL or Championship. Completely disagree with your £30m valuation.
You said he could gamble £50million on player acquisitions or lose £50million off the asking price. Confused
To break the deadlock, not cure the problem.
OK, this is a serious point, I doubt that there is an opportunity to get the players needed in January to break the deadlock.
I think we are too far gone and no one with the quality we need will come. I am pretty sure that Lerner and Fox were hoping that Garde would steady the ship and some January investment in the playing staff would see us remain in the league. This gamble has failed and Lerner is looking at a massive reduction in the value of the club in the Championship.
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What I can't stomach is the complete refusal to try something different. This Ayew/Gestede/Sinclair front three is never going to work. Give Kozak a chance, give Adama a go (not with two minutes left), give Gil another go. We might not have a wealth of brilliant players but to stick with a proven losing side and not even entertain the notion of alternatives is mind boggling. The problems are obviously more deep rooted than just team selection. The club is dying on its arse, with no light at the end of the tunnel. Its difficult to know who to blame - Lerner tried to sell the club, there were no takers, he sacked McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood at the behest of the fans and it's becoming very clear that it wouldn't matter who is in charge. We're fucked, sadly.
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Everyone has sussed how crap Hutton is - his every touch after the penalty was ironically cheered/jeered plus the "Messi" song - normally there is a frank exchange of views at the back of the Holte when the piss-taking starts but everyone just joined in today, we all know it's over even if some cling to some sort of "have faith" idea...
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What Messi song? Didn't hear it.
I agree with the above poster, why do we keep picking the same dross every week? If we start Ayew, Grealish, Gil and Traore as our attacking four and we lose, so what? We lose every week anyway. They can't be any worse or more ineffective than Sinclair and Gestede. Can't even say there isn't as much work rate there with those four, look at the second goal today. Everyone stopped running and just watched.
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These are the biggest collection of gutless tossers I have ever seen in claret and blue .
Apart from Veretout , Ayew and Okore I think we would struggle to sell the rest to a glue factory .
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And I see Adele, and I see ITV, and I see X Factor, and I see Strictly and I see everything that I can't stand.
And then I see Villa.
I love you but I can't look at you anymore......
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Watching the game today, it was clear to me that our underlying problem is the back 5. It is a main reason why the midfield and forward are not functioning. Things that stand out as massive problems with the back 5 are: uncertainty, indecision, and lack of composure which you can put down mainly to lack of confidence, then come the real problems ..... poor positioning, no communication, playing players into trouble with passes, poor passing, unable to clear the ball cleanly, poor/weak challenges, easily pushed off the ball, failure to play as a unit, leaving massive gaps and probably a few more as well. We are unable to effectively bring the ball out of defence and put ourselves in an attacking position.
People give Hutton praise because they say he puts effort in but I do not think he does. His trotting back (if it actually reaches that pace) after the ball is lost up field is really annoying me. For the second goal he was in front of Gana when the play broke down. The question to me is why was he so far forward, he is a fullback leaving half the pitch exposed to the counter attack. When they broke and had 3 on 1 I looked for Hutton's position on the replay after Ramsey scored and Hutton had only just made it back into our half. Hutton is doing the easy stuff getting forward but is unwilling to do the hard work in getting back. I am getting fed up with his half-hearted attempts at tackling, preferring to use his upper body weight and arms rather get into a good position to tackle or hold up play. This to me is a symptomatic of a very lazy approach to the game. What does he actually do when he pushes forward, it usually leads to a poor cross or putting other player under pressure with a ball inside and a massive gap behind him. The guy is a poor player in my opinion and should not be in the side. I would much prefer to see a more defensive fullback and leave the attacking out wide to midfield players or forwards so that we are more cohesive at the back.
I could go on in detail about the other defensive players but my general points above some it up. We desperately need to bring in new defenders to the club that can actually defend. Traditionally, that means a big lump in the centre that dominates the opposition forwards and a more ball playing player alongside and that's the way I think we should go. I think Okore could be that ball playing player when his confidence grows a bit. We then need two solid fullbacks and a goalkeeper that does not put the fear of God into the rest of the team, the fans and, I am sure, the manager.
The positives to me today were again, Ayew for his non-stop running and covering and Veretout for always making himself available, picking out good passes and being a player at last that offers some threat from dead ball kicks.
Absolutely spot on Old Man.
Our poor defending is a massive issue, but I don't think it is the underlying issue. No threat in the final third is just as problematic, as it means we are constantly under pressure not to concede. The fact we give the ball away so easily all over the pitch means that we are defending a lot as well. It's a vicious circle.
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Definate penalty get over it. The players were trying but most of them are in the wrong division. Credit to
Vertout and Ayew who are two that have a future. Hutton is a player from the sixties good when he just defends but playing as a wing back is beyond him, only Okore in that side is good enough in defence. What it all boils down to is the last five years of mismanagement have finally caught up with us.
No decent manager would have come to Villa with the restrictions that Lerner put on spending so we ended up with past failures or chancers.
Have no problem with Garde he sees a lot more of the players than we do and picks the side accordingly, lets see what he can do in the January sales, if we see an improvement between xmas and the end of the season then stick with him.
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Poor Goalkeeper, one of the 3 worst in the division.
Poor defence, the worst in the division.
Anonymous midfield, one of the worst in the division.
No strikers worthy of the name, the worst in the division.
That pretty much sums it up.
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Poor Goalkeeper, one of the 3 worst in the division.
Poor defence, the worst in the division.
Anonymous midfield, one of the worst in the division.
No strikers worthy of the name, the worst in the division.
That pretty much sums it up.
I think Veretout, Okore, Gil, Gana and Ayew are all good players. Veretout in particular has noticeably started to look good.
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Traore could be great, if he got more than 5 minutes....
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No doubt covered in another thread, but I think we now need to move on from who is at fault in this team and concentrate on who we should retain in next years Championship side.
I think Guzan, Veretout and Okore should be ok but most should be cleared out.
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Poor Goalkeeper, one of the 3 worst in the division.
Poor defence, the worst in the division.
Anonymous midfield, one of the worst in the division.
No strikers worthy of the name, the worst in the division.
That pretty much sums it up.
Who are the two other keepers and which other midfields in the division are vying with us for the dubious accolade?
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No doubt covered in another thread, but I think we now need to move on from who is at fault in this team and concentrate on who we should retain in next years Championship side.
I think Guzan, Veretout and Okore should be ok but most should be cleared out.
Are you serious about Guzan?
Players retained at the end of the season should be those that will be good enough to play in the PL when we get promoted.
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No doubt covered in another thread, but I think we now need to move on from who is at fault in this team and concentrate on who we should retain in next years Championship side.
I think Guzan, Veretout and Okore should be ok but most should be cleared out.
I take no pleasure in criticising any Villa player, but (!) I'm not even sure Guzan is good enough for a decent Championship outfit now. Admittedly the defensive 'unit' in front of him are about as sturdy as cheese strings, but I definitely don't think he inspires any confidence either these days. A move to MLS beckons.
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Sorry folks, double post innit. :-[
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Just watched the highlights on MOTD. I assumed the linesman at the Holte End/Trinity had given the pen. He didn't. Apparently it was the one at the other end who saw more than Friend who was 10 yards away! Definite pen but weird way of reaching a decision. Still think we should have had a foul in the build up to the second, but Kevin Friend has previous with us so no big surprise he didn't give it
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Good players win games, if this heap of shite start winning again then I might be talked into putting 'average' before players.
'Good' is miles away right now.
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Didn't think we played that badly overall. If the ref doesn't change his mind about the pen, then we may well have gone in 0-0 at half time and who knows? I thought bringing on Grealish and leaving Traore until the last 5 minutes was a waste of time.
In ClampyLand we won 3-2. In the real world we lost again and are heading out of the league.
Ha!
I spilled my beer reading that.
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No doubt covered in another thread, but I think we now need to move on from who is at fault in this team and concentrate on who we should retain in next years Championship side.
I think Guzan, Veretout and Okore should be ok but most should be cleared out.
I take no pleasure in criticising any Villa player, but (!) I'm not even sure Guzan is good enough for a decent Championship outfit now. Admittedly the defensive 'unit' in front of him are about as sturdy as cheese strings, but I definitely don't think he inspires any confidence either these days. A move to MLS beckons.
There were balls today that the defence should of sent back to the keeper when under a little pressure for him to hammer upfield but they know his kicking is so poor they were turning the other way and putting the ball out for throw ins and inviting more pressure on to us. Guzan is shot.
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I thought it was the 4th official who gave the pen...
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RANDY LEARNER - YOU'VE FAILED!
RANDY LEARNER - YOU'RE FIRED!
And you can take those useless bastards Clarke and Guzman with you.
And sack the manger.
Get rid of Remy.
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As started defence is a big problem ,chopping and changing doesn't help of course but the constant errors are killing us.If great teams goals were beating us or 30 yard rockets into the top corner but every goal we concede is just poor defending.
What's worse the mistakes in general are the older guys like Hutton who has now been involved in the last 3 goals we have conceded at home.
Amavi is a massive miss ,not the finished article but he was regularly making clearances and tackles plus with him we could attack both flanks. Bacuna there is better than Richardson as he has pace to cover his slip ups but neither add anything to our attacking play
Upfront is also an issue ,I see what he is trying to do with Gestede he wants him to flick the ball on or hold it up to bring Ayew/Sinclair / Veretout into the game but he is just no good at it.His other option them is Ayew through the middle but he isn't as effective there and gets on the ball less
Gestede we know was Sherwoods signing and he wanted Adebayor , I just can't see what he hoped to achieve with those 2 and its lefts us woefully short up top.
Midfield lacks experience and Sanchez who should be just protecting the back four but is trying to be a playmaker ..Gueye and Veretout are working hard but still need time.
I think we do have some talented players but the combination of what we have can no form a functioning team.
My throughts on Traore are that he is very very raw and will lose the ball...but I fancy him to cause more problems than Gestede over the course of the match and for that reason in our position he is worth the risk
Overall we are mentally shot ,I think Remi is seeing good things in training but in the matches they are falling apart.There is a nervousness about the team holding us back but the only way to cure it is to win a game ...we could also do with more leaders out there.
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Hundreds turned up to protest against McDoom's appointment. Thousands signed on line petitions objecting to the appointment.
I suspect Lerner will care not a jot for any protest. He wants out, we want him out.
Putting a rocket up Lerner's arse would do not harm at all. The problem would be that the only doorstep we can shit on is our own, we have no realistic way of doing it on his.
Ellis may not have been the owner, may have put 0% of Lerner's financial contribution into the club but he was still pretty bullet proof. The thing was, he was local. We could give him pain and were able every now and then to influence what he did.
I don't remember there being too many obvious 'other candidates' in 1968, but we still protested and it worked. If there is a chance it would hit the mark, it would be worth doing today.
We are clearly a sick club. Chucking yet more money into the furnace, acquiring a few players finding yet another new manager (I'd rather not) or a new CEO (yes please) is not really going to change that. We need significant reform throughout the institution and that will not happen by itself ... well not without a great deal more rot, at least.
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No doubt covered in another thread, but I think we now need to move on from who is at fault in this team and concentrate on who we should retain in next years Championship side.
I think Guzan, Veretout and Okore should be ok but most should be cleared out.
I take no pleasure in criticising any Villa player, but (!) I'm not even sure Guzan is good enough for a decent Championship outfit now. Admittedly the defensive 'unit' in front of him are about as sturdy as cheese strings, but I definitely don't think he inspires any confidence either these days. A move to MLS beckons.
There were balls today that the defence should of sent back to the keeper when under a little pressure for him to hammer upfield but they know his kicking is so poor they were turning the other way and putting the ball out for throw ins and inviting more pressure on to us. Guzan is shot.
Yep, I can't argue with any of your observations - yet nothing changes from week to sodding week. I can only conclude that the other 'keepers on our books are even more inadequate, which begs the question as to why that's the case? I guess it's yet another dysfunctional cog in the knackered workings of a doomed football club: OUR doomed football club. :(
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I watched the Albion game and looking through their players there was no brilliance just experience all through the team. They should have won it but the thing that stood out for me was their defence, Benteke was never given any room by tall solid defenders who looked dangerous whenever they went forward for corners. Some of their players were at one time mentioned as possible Villa players and if i recollect many were saying they were either too old too slow or just out for a pension. Oh and their manager was crap as well. Look at them now and look at us.
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Guzan couldnt do anything about the goals and the second was a breakaway that the midfield should have done something.
We are having shots which suggests attacking play, and it can be a small margin of them being on target and going wide.
Arsenal are no walkovers but we might have sneaked a goal. That said, the next 4 games are ones we need and should get 1 or 2 wins, because if we dont then the team havent made any progress.
Not sure if Gestade should ever start again, as not sure what he adds.
An Arsenal fan I know said that the game was closer than the scoreline suggested - I only saw MoTD highlights.
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I noticed Mertesacke yesterday giving his defenders rollickings whenever we fashioned a half chance, and his leadership on set pieces, marshalling his team was noticeable. We need some of that. We have enough experience, Hutton and Lescott have at least 100 PL games each, even Bacuna.
Up top we created chances, Gestede and Sinclair had headers but didn't test the keeper. Overall we are not good enough. Positives are Ayew and Veretout gaining more game time.
Realistically we are down, we are too many points off the pace.
Biggest worry is will Randy decide it's not worth spending any money in January, as we are down anyway.
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We are down, 32 points needed from 22 games = no chance
Regarding spending in January - who would want to come here?
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I actually thought yesterday was our best performance of the season overall. Still give the ball away too cheaply on occasions and left ourselves wide open for the counter attack for the second goal. I think the signs in the performance were positive but pity we are starting 10 points behind. If we play like that against the teams who are around us then we should start picking up points
Need to pick up 7 points from the next 4 games as a minimum to retain any slender hope of staying up
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7 points from 4 games would leave us on 13 so we would still need 25 points from 18 games so 8 wins and 1 draw literally a 50% win ratio
not a hope in hell
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as I said, a slender hope
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As started defence is a big problem ,chopping and changing doesn't help of course but the constant errors are killing us.If great teams goals were beating us or 30 yard rockets into the top corner but every goal we concede is just poor defending.
What's worse the mistakes in general are the older guys like Hutton who has now been involved in the last 3 goals we have conceded at home.
Amavi is a massive miss ,not the finished article but he was regularly making clearances and tackles plus with him we could attack both flanks. Bacuna there is better than Richardson as he has pace to cover his slip ups but neither add anything to our attacking play
Upfront is also an issue ,I see what he is trying to do with Gestede he wants him to flick the ball on or hold it up to bring Ayew/Sinclair / Veretout into the game but he is just no good at it.His other option them is Ayew through the middle but he isn't as effective there and gets on the ball less
Gestede we know was Sherwoods signing and he wanted Adebayor , I just can't see what he hoped to achieve with those 2 and its lefts us woefully short up top.
Midfield lacks experience and Sanchez who should be just protecting the back four but is trying to be a playmaker ..Gueye and Veretout are working hard but still need time.
I think we do have some talented players but the combination of what we have can no form a functioning team.
My throughts on Traore are that he is very very raw and will lose the ball...but I fancy him to cause more problems than Gestede over the course of the match and for that reason in our position he is worth the risk
Overall we are mentally shot ,I think Remi is seeing good things in training but in the matches they are falling apart.There is a nervousness about the team holding us back but the only way to cure it is to win a game ...we could also do with more leaders out there.
Good summary
It annoys me when the pundits roll out the not experienced bollocks in relation to Villa.
Guzan, Lescott, Richardson, Clark and Hutton, Westwood, Gabby are all experienced. Hundreds of games between them. All well short of the required standard - granted Guzan could capture the form of 2-3 years ago and Clark could have another good 3 months as per last season. Maybe
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We are down, 32 points needed from 22 games = no chance
Regarding spending in January - who would want to come here?
I would. I am a little past it, dodgy ankle and little speed these days. However for the sheer thrill of pulling on the Villa shirt and playing at VP you would get a lot of application, effort and energy. Oh and I wouldn't demand £10+K per week and I would have a clause in my contract that said I didn't get paid if I didn't deliver on my side of the deal.
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as I said, a slender hope
I think we need 9 from the next 4. Can't see it.
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RANDY LEARNER - YOU'VE FAILED!
RANDY LEARNER - YOU'RE FIRED!
And you can take those useless bastards Clarke and Guzman with you.
And sack the manger.
Get rid of Remy.
And Focks
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I see there are still some people talking about how many points we should get in the next x number of matches. Apologies, but if you have been watching the same team as me you will know in your "heart of hearts" that you are clutching at straws. We will be lucky to get into double figures this season judging by our performances. Every match we seem to have a good 10 minute spell but, always with no end result.
I don't think we should spend a penny in January as. it's too late for all that as, you would need to buy virtually a whole new team and, no-one of any quality is going to come to us, given our current position.
Some are still thinking a win at Newcastle etc.etc. but, sorry, every team now sees playing us as a match to kick start their own seasons. Look at Arsenal, hadn't kept a clean sheet for yonks but then along comes Aston Villa. Swansea hadn't won a game for some time - need I go on?
Let's stop dreaming, we are down and need to start making plans to target appropriate players to compete in the Championship as, this current squad with their lack of fighting spirit, will be struggling in the Championship as well. Imagine how many games we will have to play and, most of our current players will be injured for large parts of the season.
Wish I could offer just a glimmer of hope but, alas cannot.
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Well thanks for that, Skerra, but the rest of us aren't giving up so easily. It's not even Christmas yet and there's plenty more football to play till the season ends. Still time to turn it around, even if it's a long shot.
The fat lady ain't sang yet.
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Next season starts now. How we finish this season will determine how well we do next.
If we give up now, we will be in no state to get promotion next season. I think we will be relegated but the future is more important to me than this season.
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Hi Saunders,
I really do admire your being upbeat, like I was when Remi was appointed. However, nothing has changed and, please do come back to me after we have won 2 of our next 3 matches to shove my words down my throat. Having been a supporter since the year dot, I see absolutely nothing in our current squad to brighten my outlook. I played football for more years that I can remember and, am just being realistic. If you honestly think we are going to get out of this mess then I think a lot of you for your enthusiasm alone. Sadly, just cannot see it. When I played, against the equivalent of a team like Villa with their dodgy defence, I always backed myself to score a hat-trick and, more often as not, I did get at least 2 if not the 3. Playing against a team like Villa at the moment gives every other team the confidence that they will win and, our record speaks for itself - 1 win all season and, from what I saw, I thought Bournemouth were unlucky not to get at least a point out of that match as well.
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Must have saw a different match to alot of people on here, I thought Arsenal coasted it and at the times they left first gear left us floundering.
Veretout, Gaye still undecided, they have had a good number of shoots this season, but I can not recall too many on target, I know if they did not shoot I would not be happy.
Defence is a major concern as I thought it might be one area that Remi would get a significant improvement out of, but this has not been the case, but I also agree with another poster who wrote that Brad inspires nothing but panic into his back line and the easy ball back to him is not as seen as an option as they do not trust him, this is also manifesting itself at corners, we can never rely on him to come and collect, the one time yesterday he came for a cross and the closest he got was about 3 yards away, with about 4 players between him and the ball, Bunn must have lost the use of his arms and sight for Brad to be number 1.
Attack just no quality and no killer instinct, Sinclair seems to have a great first ten then what the hell happens.
The basis of this team will struggle in the championship, that I have no doubt.
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Agree with that, I thought Arsenal played well within themselves especially second half and I think if we had of pulled one back they would have gone straight down the other end and scored another.
I also agree with Skerra, as it stands before our next massive 4 games when we are playing the teams immediately around us we need to be taking 1.45 points per game which is top 8 form.
Really??
I admire peoples optimism but we have taken 0.68 per game over the last 50, haven't won at VP for half a season, won 3 home games in a year and are in the middle of the clubs worst ever streak without a win in our history.
But we can still turn it around ::)
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
Any positive suggestions?
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Whilst it looks bleaker than a bleak thing, I'm not giving up hope yet either.
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
You are Tim Sherwood and I claim my ten pounds.
Sorry, couldnt resist ;)
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
Any positive suggestions?
Yeah.
I'd play 3 central defenders + 2 wing backs/wide midfielders + 1 central holding defensive midfielder.
I'd encourage them to sit deep and play on the counter - ie get the ball forward quickly - stop trying to pass the ball through the midfield.
Up front I'd try Kozak & Traore centrally with Grealish and Aye/Gill attacking midfield/drfting out wide.
Obviously we'd still loose, so I'd get a reserve to come on for the last 2 minutes to wipe out one of oppositions annoying fuckers and then get sent off - see Lee Hendrie vs. Leicester in league cup circa 1996.
There - that's a nice positive way to look at things.
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Obviously we'd still loose, so I'd get a reserve to come on for the last 2 minutes to wipe out one of oppositions annoying fuckers and then get sent off - see Lee Hendrie vs. Leicester in league cup circa 1996.
There - that's a nice positive way to look at things.
That made me laugh. Like you I've always thought of the opposition's world class players as "annoying fuckers".
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
You are Tim Sherwood and I claim my ten pounds.
Sorry, couldnt resist ;)
:D
Yes, what we really need now is a "no-nonsense", "get-into-them", British-style manager to "show some fight" and "have a go". We haven't had one of those recently and I really think it's high time we get rid of this clown (who let's face it has been given far too long).
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Upfront is also an issue ,I see what he is trying to do with Gestede he wants him to flick the ball on or hold it up to bring Ayew/Sinclair / Veretout into the game but he is just no good at it.His other option them is Ayew through the middle but he isn't as effective there and gets on the ball less
Others may not agree, but one of the best players we've had in the flicking-on role is Heskey. Yes, he was pretty useless in the box and did fall over a lot, but he always got his head to the ball from a long kick and usually flicked it on intelligently. Gestede doesn't time his jumps, is often outjumped and when he does get his head to the ball his direction is aimless. In numerous attempts yesterday he hardly ever managed an effective flick-on.
I agree, though, that Ayew isn't the answer in that role. He's a skilful player and can run at the defence, but he's not a target man. I can't remember him winning a header after he moved into the middle yesterday.
So, given the players we've got and with Kozak apparently out of favour, is there any point at all in hoofing the ball up the middle?
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I'd play 3 central defenders
To me, this just means increasing the chances of a calamitous fuck-up by 50%
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
Any positive suggestions?
Yeah.
I'd play 3 central defenders + 2 wing backs/wide midfielders + 1 central holding defensive midfielder.
I'd encourage them to sit deep and play on the counter - ie get the ball forward quickly - stop trying to pass the ball through the midfield.
Up front I'd try Kozak & Traore centrally with Grealish and Aye/Gill attacking midfield/drfting out wide.
So, in summary, you'd play 6 sitting deep at the back, then lump the ball past the midfield up to a striker that has yet to start a PL game.
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
You are Tim Sherwood and I claim my ten pounds.
Sorry, couldnt resist ;)
That was exactly what I was thinking as I scrolled through the post.
Welcome Back Tim - thanks for the Cup Run and especially the Semi Final.
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I'd get Veretout and Gana to concentrate on their shooting. As good as they are in other aspects of their game this part of it is clearly lacking. In fact, both have techniques that border on downright awful considering they are professional footballers.
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
Any positive suggestions?
Yeah.
I'd play 3 central defenders + 2 wing backs/wide midfielders + 1 central holding defensive midfielder.
I'd encourage them to sit deep and play on the counter - ie get the ball forward quickly - stop trying to pass the ball through the midfield.
Up front I'd try Kozak & Traore centrally with Grealish and Aye/Gill attacking midfield/drfting out wide.
So, in summary, you'd play 6 sitting deep at the back, then lump the ball past the midfield up to a striker that has yet to start a PL game.
No.
I'd play 6 in a flexible but mostly defensive formation and then lump the ball up to two strikers who've yet to start a game.
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
You are Tim Sherwood and I claim my ten pounds.
Sorry, couldnt resist ;)
That was exactly what I was thinking as I scrolled through the post.
Welcome Back Tim - thanks for the Cup Run and especially the Semi Final.
You're welcome.
And you're also welcome to watch the rest of the season play out in heart sapping pathos (or maybe that should be bathos) as those masquerading as footballers laughably fail in their attempt to play the beautiful game.
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What was that saying about wrestling a pig...
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You can't keep playing the same players in the same positions and expecting a different result.
Both managers have kept to roughly the same team and formations - and surprise surprise got the same result.
Sanchez, Gana, Vertout - what's the point of any of them? They make so many basic errors that the opposition must feel like they have an extra attacking option in the final third. Going forward they offer nothing - no creativity, no goals, nothing.
We have simply got to try something different - if we get very very lucky then there are enough games left, but more likely do something difference to prepare for next season. This bunch of players may or may not be good enough for the championship but they certainly aren't for the premiership should we get promoted.
So we have to find a different way sooner or later. Different players, different formation, different tacts - all available to Garde here and now.
In the meantime. Kick some ass, get sent off - show some passion, pride and fight
Just do something for fucks sake.
You are Tim Sherwood and I claim my ten pounds.
Sorry, couldnt resist ;)
:D
Yes, what we really need now is a "no-nonsense", "get-into-them", British-style manager to "show some fight" and "have a go". We haven't had one of those recently and I really think it's high time we get rid of this clown (who let's face it has been given far too long).
I think you misunderstand.
Nobody said having such an inadequate bunch of players was this manager's fault.
The proposition was three-fold;
(1) If you don't change things then you'll get the same result.
(2) If you don't have ability, you have to have a stronger work ethic/spirit/attitude - call it what you will.
(3) If you still don't compete it would understandable (and tongue in cheek condonable) if a sportsman with professional pride didn't get so frustrated he felt like he needed to kick the shit out of his opponent.
If you think any of these sentiments point at a certain nationality then feel free to enlighten me.
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What was that saying about wrestling a pig...
dunno - tell me
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From where I was sitting I thought we were doing okay until the penalty, which I thought was harsh at the time and didn't make sense being given by the linesman - someone on here said it was given by the 4th official? In my view, unlucky.
For the second goal I thought Gana was fouled, we had committed players forward and were caught out by the speed of Arsenal's break.
On another day there would have been no penalty and a different/better ref would have given us a free kick, going forward. Mr K Friend was shite.
In my eyes that amounted to shite luck/bad officiating against the best footballing team in the league. Just what we needed and the way all things seem to be going for us this season.
I haven't thrown the towel in yet, and I'll be at Newcastle next Saturday, but my sense of hope is simply running out.
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It was a blatant penalty, and the second goal was a good tackle, he won the ball.
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Just saying how I saw it live Quinton, and how it made me feel so fu*king depressed at the time - I haven't seen anything on tv.
And K Friend is still shite. Even the Guardian referred to his "strange refereeing".
Unfortunately, I'm clutching at straws mate.
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It was a blatant penalty, and the second goal was a good tackle, he won the ball.
You are correct Ramsay did win the ball but he did have to go through the man to get to it. Many refs on another day would have given that as a free kick to the player in possession, you see that type of challenge punished week in week out in the Prem by most refs but unfortunately for us not by Mr Friend yesterday. Not that it would have changed the result mind!
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Penalty or not it was a strange way to make the decision. Friend gave nothing and moved away as if to make his way back upfield, the linesman signalled absolutely nothing, turned tail and set off upfield himself. It was only when the referee suddenly stopped, turned around and blew his whistle so the lino did the same. The ref could not possibly have seen from his angle what Hutton actually did, so the notion that the 4th official had a hand in it makes sense. It is also against the rules.
I'd like to know what the 4th official, the line and the ref were doing in the game against ManU when the rest of the world saw Darmian wrestle Richards off a free header at goal.
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The referees are the least of our worries mate.
Let's be honest anyone who thinks we played well or did ok are kidding themselves, Arsenal strolled through the game and could have stepped up another few gears if required. They won't have many easier games all season, lets not forget they lost at Albion and only drew at Norwich. They don't like it if you get in their faces but we got nowhere near them.
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And I think that's what Garde means when he says we are naïve...we allow teams like Arse to do pretty much what they are good at before realising/being told not to let them.
I listened to the Everton/Norwich game on Saturday and it was clear by half time that Everton should have scored about 6 and only needed to turn up for the 2nd half and they had it won...then Norwich simply didn't let them play and took the game to them and were unlucky not to win the game.
Somehow, I can't see us having the gumption, strength and attitude to be able to do that.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Even with the best laid plans we will allways make goal costing errors, the delay in the refs decision somehow gets away from the point that Hutton lets Walcott get wrong side of him then pulls him down even though Walcott would have to do a lot to score from there particularly if the defender is putting you under pressure.
It happens every week and this is why we keep losing.
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Let's be honest anyone who thinks we played well or did ok are kidding themselves
Or do they just have a different opinion of the game to you? I thought we were ok, not great by any means but we wasn't awful.
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Even with the best laid plans we will allways make goal costing errors, the delay in the refs decision somehow gets away from the point that Hutton lets Walcott get wrong side of him then pulls him down even though Walcott would have to do a lot to score from there particularly if the defender is putting you under pressure.
It happens every week and this is why we keep losing.
Good point. It should have been a penalty and the way it was given has taken the focus away from the poor defending.
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From where I was sitting I thought we were doing okay until the penalty, which I thought was harsh at the time and didn't make sense being given by the linesman - someone on here said it was given by the 4th official?
Both MOTD2 and today's Times, in the person of Howard Webb, say it was the other linesman, on the Witton Lane side, who told the ref it was a foul, not the 4th official (who's not allowed to get involved).
I haven't thrown the towel in yet, and I'll be at Newcastle next Saturday, but my sense of hope is simply running out.
Same here on all three counts!
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Thanks for the info frank...but it makes it even more puzzling to me! How could the linesman so far away see it so clearly to make such a key decision?
I'll keep an eye out for you on Saturday...your intense media coverage, celebrity status and star quality make you instantly recognisable.
If I've got the right specs on! ;-)
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I'd play 3 central defenders
To me, this just means increasing the chances of a calamitous fuck-up by 50%
I think we have to try something different though. I would like to see us go 4-2-3-1 at home and have a go at teams. I have seen enough of Hutton and Sanchez and would go with:
Guzan
Richards Okore Clark ?
Veretout Gana
Adama Gil / Grealish Ayew
?
I'm hoping the two question marks can be sorted very early in the January window.
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I was half expecting to see young Kinsella at left back yesterday and doubly disappointed to see Bacuna! Thought he was bloody awful.
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I'd play 3 central defenders
To me, this just means increasing the chances of a calamitous fuck-up by 50%
I think we have to try something different though. I would like to see us go 4-2-3-1 at home and have a go at teams. I have seen enough of Hutton and Sanchez and would go with:
Guzan
Richards Okore Clark ?
Veretout Gana
Adama Gil / Grealish Ayew
?
I'm hoping the two question marks can be sorted very early in the January window.
?'s can be occupied right now by both Illori and Kozak. Mind you, I'd stick Sinclair up top, and if he ain't doing it with decent service, then fire on Kozak. But what do the fuck do I know?
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I'd play 3 central defenders
To me, this just means increasing the chances of a calamitous fuck-up by 50%
I think we have to try something different though. I would like to see us go 4-2-3-1 at home and have a go at teams. I have seen enough of Hutton and Sanchez and would go with:
Guzan
Richards Okore Clark ?
Veretout Gana
Adama Gil / Grealish Ayew
?
I'm hoping the two question marks can be sorted very early in the January window.
?'s can be occupied right now by both Illori and Kozak. Mind you, I'd stick Sinclair up top, and if he ain't doing it with decent service, then fire on Kozak. But what do the fuck do I know?
Sinclair's performance up top at home to Stoke was as bad as anything produced by Flabby and Just-Head this season, gutless, one paced, power puff. He had it all
its re-arranging the decks on the titanic a bit time I fear.
Do agree with Richards, Okore, Clark and one other at the back, Lescott should be given a free transfer in Jan along with Senderos.
Unfortunately we dont have any alternative to Sanchez in the middle and Gueye/Veretout need to make up the three.
Ayew seems better on the left but maybe he needs to go up top and Jack-Who given a chance on the left again. For next weekend might aswell start Traore on the right. Dummett is crap
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Guzan
Richards Okore Clark
Bacuna Gana? ??? Lescott/Richardson or Vertout/Sanchez (are either of them left footed?)
Ayew or Gill Grealish
Kozak Traore
or
Guzan
Richards Okore Clark
Bacuna Gana? ??? Lescott/Richardson or Vertout/Sanchez (are either of them left footed?)
Traore Gill Grealish
Ayew