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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villadelph on November 28, 2015, 11:26:36 PM
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If theres one thing Aston Villa is good at its getting rid of players. Unfortunately, it's just never the ones you want to leave. Who's had their chance and has to be sold off no matter the fee?
For me, it's Guzan. He's been present throughout this entire debacle. While he's a decent shot blocker, there's just too much calamity anymore. We need a new voice at the back. It would immediately be a first team shake up and I would rather go down swinging.
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If we have even a moderate chance of staying up by Jan, I'd be looking to move Guzan and Gestede on as a minimum.
As it is, they'll probably be fine for us in the Championship. Ditto Clark.
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Guzan, Richardson, Bacuna, Gabby, Westwood, Lescott, Nzogbia
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I'd love to see them go but no one is going to take on GabFlab or the Pot Plant on their current salaries. In the latter's case I'd reactivate our moves earlier in the season to pay him off. With the former it's tricky as he has the keys to the vault for another three years. Whatever, the last thing we need in the January window is more last payday mercenaries/shysters/desperadoes in the vain hope they will help make a difference.
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Guzan, Richardson, Bacuna, Gabby, Westwood, Lescott, Nzogbia
I may be wrong but weren't Bacuna and Westwood given new five year deals in the summer? If so, that would put off any potential buyers (as it would if they had seen them actually play)
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Guzan, Richardson, Bacuna, Gabby, Westwood, Lescott, Nzogbia
I'd keep Bacuna but the rest can be made into glue
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What's happened to Crespo? Is he injured? If not, he can't be happy in foreign climes and not playing. Baker and Cole to stay where they are. Can't see too many clubs desperate to sign any of the players named so far. Which tells us just how pants they are.
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Guzan, Richardson, Bacuna, Gabby, Westwood, Lescott, Nzogbia
I may be wrong but weren't Bacuna and Westwood given new five year deals in the summer? If so, that would put off any potential buyers (as it would if they had seen them actually play)
The queue wouldn't be round the block for that lot. Also, if there are any clubs stupid enough, they will wait til the summer when our price will be lower.
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Guzan, Richardson, Bacuna, Gabby, Westwood, Lescott, Nzogbia
I may be wrong but weren't Bacuna and Westwood given new five year deals in the summer? If so, that would put off any potential buyers (as it would if they had seen them actually play)
The queue wouldn't be round the block for that lot. Also, if there are any clubs stupid enough, they will wait til the summer when our price will be lower.
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exactly this
who is going to pay money for that shower of shite?
didnt we release guzan then resign him because one wanted him?
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Gabby, Gestede, nzog (we wish) lescott, Clark, Hutton
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It's hard to say.. my initial reaction was Gestede, Westwood and Lescott
But Gestede is exactly the sort of striker we will need in the Championship next year. So theres no point on taking a loss on him in january.
Westwood can go because he offers literally nothing to the squad
Lescott can go because Okore and Ilori are coming back to fitness
The likes of Gabby doesn't deserve to be able to jump ship, he got us in this mess, so should be getting us out of it by getting us promoted next year
I suspect Richards might be a target of bigger clubs in January, he's far too good for this shower of shit, and I'm fed up of seeing him try to babysit the defence, whilst also making the breaking runs forward by bypassing the non existent midfield.. and now he's even scoring
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End of season Richards, Gana, Vertout, Troare, Gil, Ayew will all get better offers and take them. Grealish will be a target for the likes of Leicester, Albion and Stoke but he might stick with us next season out of loyalty.
Amavi's injury means he will still be with us at least until he proves his fitness.
The rest I honestly couldn't give a fuck about because, quite frankly, they are useless.
To sell you need a buyer. No one will buy our deadwood.
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well if those names all went, we're in for 'Arry type wheeling and dealing.
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Sorry, messed up there. I was thinking this as once relegation was confirmed (which of course won't be January).
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If we can only get rid of one player it would have to be that massive waste of space Agbonlahor, I can't see anybody being daft enough to take him off our wage bill. He angers me.
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Those I think will attract interest - Okore, Veretout, Gana, Ayew
Those I want gone as I don't see them being any use to us in the Championship - Guzan, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cole, N'Zogbia
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I always thought he'd be an ideal Wolves signing.
Now I don't even think they'd be daft enough. No, we're stuck with Gabby till his contract expires. And I don't think he'll be the only one in at category.
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I comfort myself by thinking Gestede was Andy's replacement and were still on the lookout to replace Benteke, small comfort I know.
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If we can only get rid of one player it would have to be that massive waste of space Agbonlahor, I can't see anybody being daft enough to take him off our wage bill. He angers me.
Normal rules don't apply to Agbonlahor. He can be as shite as he likes and still know he'll be back in the team sooner or later. No one at the club bats an eyelid to his poor form.
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For me everyone can leave but
Carlos gil, Jack Grealish, Adam Traroe, 3 Jordans, Okore, Clark and Richards and Gaga. I think we need to sell a lot of players plus 100 millions pounds to be competitive. :(
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Out of contract or not wanted - Cissokho, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos
Too good for the Champoinship - Okores, Richards, Veretout, Gana, Gil & Ayew
Might stay - Sinclair, Sanchez
I've no doubt there will be interest in Grealish too but I doubt anyone would take Adama on £40k a week.
Would like to see he back of Guzan, Gabby, Clark, Westwood
That leaves; Bunn, Hutton, Richardson, Baker, Amarvi, Kozak, Gestede, Gardner, Bacuna, Lescott, Bennett, Crespo
In short the bulk of the players who are clearly not good enough would still be here.
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It's hard to say.. my initial reaction was Gestede, Westwood and Lescott
But Gestede is exactly the sort of striker we will need in the Championship next year. So theres no point on taking a loss on him in january.
Westwood can go because he offers literally nothing to the squad
Lescott can go because Okore and Ilori are coming back to fitness
The likes of Gabby doesn't deserve to be able to jump ship, he got us in this mess, so should be getting us out of it by getting us promoted next year
I suspect Richards might be a target of bigger clubs in January, he's far too good for this shower of shit, and I'm fed up of seeing him try to babysit the defence, whilst also making the breaking runs forward by bypassing the non existent midfield.. and now he's even scoring
Ilori isn't even our player.
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Those I think will attract interest - Okore, Veretout, Gana, Ayew
Those I want gone as I don't see them being any use to us in the Championship - Guzan, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cole, N'Zogbia
I think Cole and N'Zogbia's contracts expire this season anyway.
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I always thought he'd be an ideal Wolves signing.
Now I don't even think they'd be daft enough. No, we're stuck with Gabby till his contract expires. And I don't think he'll be the only one in at category.
It defies logic really. And I've worked with wankers like that. They do absolutely naff all then stroll in one day and have been promoted.
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It's hard to say.. my initial reaction was Gestede, Westwood and Lescott
But Gestede is exactly the sort of striker we will need in the Championship next year. So theres no point on taking a loss on him in january.
Westwood can go because he offers literally nothing to the squad
Lescott can go because Okore and Ilori are coming back to fitness
The likes of Gabby doesn't deserve to be able to jump ship, he got us in this mess, so should be getting us out of it by getting us promoted next year
I suspect Richards might be a target of bigger clubs in January, he's far too good for this shower of shit, and I'm fed up of seeing him try to babysit the defence, whilst also making the breaking runs forward by bypassing the non existent midfield.. and now he's even scoring
Ilori isn't even our player.
he is until at least the end of the season...
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The line " to good for the championship" must mean there's a division between the premier and championship because these players are not good enough for the prem but to good for the championship.
But as usual we will see them go to another prem club and flourish
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I comfort myself by thinking Gestede was Andy's replacement and were still on the lookout to replace Benteke, small comfort I know.
I think Ayew was Weimann's replacement. Whoever thought Gestede was an adequate replacement for Benteke needs shooting.
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Those I think will attract interest - Okore, Veretout, Gana, Ayew
Those I want gone as I don't see them being any use to us in the Championship - Guzan, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cole, N'Zogbia
Sorry, made a balls up here. I was basing this on the end of the season
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The line " to good for the championship" must mean there's a division between the premier and championship because these players are not good enough for the prem but to good for the championship.
But as usual we will see them go to another prem club and flourish
If we really have all these players who are too good for the championship, why is that's where we're headed? If they were that good, we wouldn't find ourselves in the shit.
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Too good for the Champoinship - Okores, Richards, Veretout, Gana, Gil, Ayew
Not too sure about that at all. Taking yesterday as an example, none of the above stood out against a poor Watford side. In fact, the only time a number of them have looked decent players was against Blues which speaks volumes really. I could see Richards attracting interest if we went down, but that would be about it.
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The line " to good for the championship" must mean there's a division between the premier and championship because these players are not good enough for the prem but to good for the championship.
But as usual we will see them go to another prem club and flourish
If we really have all these players who are too good for the championship, why is that's where we're headed? If they were that good, we wouldn't find ourselves in the shit.
To clarify what I meant, these players will not play for us in the Championship, whether that's because they are too good, think they're too good or other teams think they're good enough for the Premier League, I can only guess. But the players we'll be left with are the ones nobody else wants & on the whole these are the players that cost us points week after week.
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Sorry, messed up there. I was thinking this as once relegation was confirmed (which of course won't be January).
But it will wont be far off unless we start picking up points before then................
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
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He's no world beater, but gabby in the championship might work.
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
How about waiting to see if it actually happens and not in November?
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
How about waiting to see if it actually happens and not in November?
If we fail to win the next two that leaves us on 5 points after 16 games so I am really struggling to see us getting 33 points from 22 games or 1.5 points per game (top 8 form), which is incidentally is the same amount of points we have taken from the last 48 games
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
How about waiting to see if it actually happens and not in November?
If we fail to win the next two that leaves us on 5 points after 16 games so I am really struggling to see us getting 33 points from 22 games or 1.5 points per game (top 8 form), which is incidentally is the same amount of points we have taken from the last 48 games
Don't get me wrong, it's not looking great (which is an understatement, I know) but if the fans start thinking we're down in November, then we might as well not play any more games and give up.
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
How about waiting to see if it actually happens and not in November?
Because if we leave it too late we will have uninterested players and a wage bill that is unsustainable in the Championship which will then restrict the transfer activity needed to get us out of there. Or we could do the wishfull thinking bit and be the next Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday.
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
How about waiting to see if it actually happens and not in November?
Because if we leave it too late we will have uninterested players and a wage bill that is unsustainable in the Championship which will then restrict the transfer activity needed to get us out of there. Or we could do the wishfull thinking bit and be the next Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday.
So you're suggesting we start planning to move players on already?
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
How about waiting to see if it actually happens and not in November?
Because if we leave it too late we will have uninterested players and a wage bill that is unsustainable in the Championship which will then restrict the transfer activity needed to get us out of there. Or we could do the wishfull thinking bit and be the next Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday.
So you're suggesting we start planning to move players on already?
yes,sadly Saturday confirmed we are toast.
We should certainly be planning for it as that squad will not get us out of the Championship.
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I think we need to start preparing the Squad now to get out of the Championship.
That means a clear out of all the players that will not want to play there.
Add that to the crap we are carrying and there will not be many of the current squad left.
How about waiting to see if it actually happens and not in November?
Because if we leave it too late we will have uninterested players and a wage bill that is unsustainable in the Championship which will then restrict the transfer activity needed to get us out of there. Or we could do the wishfull thinking bit and be the next Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday.
So you're suggesting we start planning to move players on already?
yes,sadly Saturday confirmed we are toast.
We should certainly be planning for it as that squad will not get us out of the Championship.
Personally, i'd rather see us make a fist of staying in the league rather than your approach of waving the white flag.
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I comfort myself by thinking Gestede was Andy's replacement and were still on the lookout to replace Benteke, small comfort I know.
and he could actually be in the prem next season and our club not. who would believe that.
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I'd take Gabby to the glue factory on the 1st of January.
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The manager has only been in place for 3 games. Might be a bit soon to be booking coaches to Huddersfield.
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I'd take Gabby to the glue factory on the 1st of January.
You'd wait That Long?
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Too good for the Champoinship - Okores, Richards, Veretout, Gana, Gil, Ayew
Not too sure about that at all. Taking yesterday as an example, none of the above stood out against a poor Watford side. In fact, the only time a number of them have looked decent players was against Blues which speaks volumes really. I could see Richards attracting interest if we went down, but that would be about it.
Well according to the pundits you need Premiership experience to stay up so we can farm the ne'er do wells on to an unsuspecting Derby or Middlesbrough or Brighton after all they all have Premiership experience.
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The line " to good for the championship" must mean there's a division between the premier and championship because these players are not good enough for the prem but to good for the championship.
But as usual we will see them go to another prem club and flourish
If we really have all these players who are too good for the championship, why is that's where we're headed? If they were that good, we wouldn't find ourselves in the shit.
To clarify what I meant, these players will not play for us in the Championship, whether that's because they are too good, think they're too good or other teams think they're good enough for the Premier League, I can only guess. But the players we'll be left with are the ones nobody else wants & on the whole these are the players that cost us points week after week.
Who do you think will be desperate to leave and which clubs do you think will be looking to sign them?
If we assume that the players that we aren't all completely down on or believe that might be worth persevering with Ayew, Veretout, Sanchez, Gana, Gil, Amavi, Grealish, Traoré, Okore - I'd bet that their reduced Championship wages would be comfortably more than any of them were earning before they joined us. I can't imagine they will be leaving because they'd be earning much higher figures elsewhere. Joining Villa was a pretty big step-up from all their previous clubs (probably Gil aside), so I don't think they would really see sticking around as being beneath them.
See the likes of Hernandez and Diamé at Hull, Sandro and Fer at QPR - more often than not, players stick around these days.
Then add the ones who probably aren't good enough for the Premier League but would probably be pretty comfortable in the Championship - Gestede, Sinclair, Hutton, Bacuna.
I don't think we'd see too many leave that we would prefer to keep hold of. Probably Richards, but where's he going? On a free transfer he had the choice between us and Sunderland. He's not been as bad as others for us, but if nobody else wanted him in the summer I don't think there's going to be a huge fight for his services next summer.
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I'd hope to see the back of Cole, Senderos, N'Zogbia and Baker in January but would work on the basis we would be lucky to give them away never mind get a transfer fee for any of them!
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The line " to good for the championship" must mean there's a division between the premier and championship because these players are not good enough for the prem but to good for the championship.
But as usual we will see them go to another prem club and flourish
If we really have all these players who are too good for the championship, why is that's where we're headed? If they were that good, we wouldn't find ourselves in the shit.
To clarify what I meant, these players will not play for us in the Championship, whether that's because they are too good, think they're too good or other teams think they're good enough for the Premier League, I can only guess. But the players we'll be left with are the ones nobody else wants & on the whole these are the players that cost us points week after week.
If we assume that the players that we aren't all completely down on or believe that might be worth persevering with Ayew, Veretout, Sanchez, Gana, Gil, Amavi, Grealish, Traoré, Okore - I'd bet that their reduced Championship wages would be comfortably more than any of them were earning before they joined us. I can't imagine they will be leaving because they'd be earning much higher figures elsewhere. Joining Villa was a pretty big step-up from all their previous clubs (probably Gil aside), so I don't think they would really see sticking around as being beneath them.
Agree and there is a nucleus of decent young players there, who with a bit of confidence probably could be good top flight players. What we need are a few quality players which they can fit around.
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I don't rate Gestede but you have to respect what he did in the championship for Blackburn so would be silly to get rid if relegated as he can score goals down there. I'm not a fan of Sinclair either but he did fine there for Swansea so there's two reasonable strikers there already.
Difficult to say who of the international lot would stay. I would say someone who's been injured a lot like Okore would actually stay and probably Amavi aswell at least until January as clubs will want to see him playing again first before spending big money on a player who's had a serious injury.
So with Hutton there's a back 4 there.
To me the midfield would need to be really sorted out, I wouldn't fancy what we put out to even do anything in the championship.
Just watched the Hull highlights, was surprised how many of their big wage players are still there.
Diame and Snodgrass although in fairness both were injured for a lot of last season so similar to Amavi and also Abel Hernandez who didn't really do it for them in the prem but is scoring a good amount in the championship.
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To me the midfield would need to be really sorted out, I wouldn't fancy what we put out to even do anything in the championship.
You don't reckon that two or three of Gana, Veretout and Sanchez wouldn't be able to cope with Charlton or Brentford?
The midfield is literally the least of our issues.
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To me the midfield would need to be really sorted out, I wouldn't fancy what we put out to even do anything in the championship.
You don't reckon that two or three of Gana, Veretout and Sanchez wouldn't be able to cope with Charlton or Brentford?
The midfield is literally the least of our issues.
I wouldn't underestimate Brentford, they're an excellent football team with some standout performers who would play us off the park the way we're going. Charlton are rubbish though.