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Title: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: r1hvy on November 26, 2015, 08:08:02 PM
Who do you guys think will win the big Klitschko v Fury fight?
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: ACVilla on November 26, 2015, 08:20:45 PM
Klitchsko will walk it.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: FrankyH on November 26, 2015, 09:57:14 PM
Fury has been trying to play mind games in the build up ,(IMHO) almost to the point where he doesn't think he will win the fight.I think and hope Klitschko will win.I would rather see Joshua take on the mantle of British Heavy Weight Champion of the World every time.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: r1hvy on November 26, 2015, 10:47:12 PM
Did you see the footage of him doing the singing in the ring thing, apparently its not the firwst time hes done it but its weird right? Certainly not scaring anyone!
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Ron Manager on November 27, 2015, 04:56:39 AM
Fury brings a bit of colour to the heavyweight division.He has a chance and could cause a big surprise if Klitschko doesn't take him seriously. I hope it doesn't finish too early.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: conman on November 27, 2015, 05:15:09 AM
Who do you guys think will win the big Klitschko v Fury fight?
i can see this fight  going either one way or the other  ,,,,klitschko will probably win it but tyson might and i hope he does
if he doesnt there is always the rematch ,,,,,,even a fight against david hayes ,,,,,,,,if he doesnt bottle it again
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: ACVilla on November 27, 2015, 10:06:10 AM
Who do you guys think will win the big Klitschko v Fury fight?
i can see this fight  going either one way or the other
Yeah me too, or a draw. Yep, it'll either be Klitschko, Fury or a draw. I think I might have a bet on all three.  ;)
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 27, 2015, 11:53:20 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t2hapwnFwaE/hqdefault.jpg)

Indecisive Dave: "Klitschko in three."

"Yeah but Klitschko's getting on a bit"

"Yeah, right, err, Fury on points"

"What? Klitschko has too much power he'll knock Fury out"

"Yeah, you're right, Klitscko in six"

"But that Fury can take a punch"

"Yeah, no, err, Fury in......oh I don't know fuck it, a draw, or a win for one of them or..."

Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on November 27, 2015, 12:15:32 PM
Fury should be hateable, but I can't help finding myself enjoying watching him. A combination of supreme confidence, arrogance, bullshit and stupidity.

I think Klitschko will win it and, as it'll be on his terms, it won't be that entertaining.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 27, 2015, 12:33:35 PM
Has there been an entertaining World Heavyweight Championship fight in the last ten years?
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 27, 2015, 12:43:18 PM
Klitschko reminds me of Nasser Hussain on steroids
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Karl Bridges on November 27, 2015, 12:50:54 PM
I'm hoping Tyson wins it but obviously Klitschko's awful to watch style is very effective. Tyson won't be a walkover, he's quick for a big lad and can bang a bit.

Come on Tyson smash him up.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: conman on November 27, 2015, 03:01:35 PM
might stay in the sacred heart for this ,,,,,i wonder what time the actual fight will be ,,,,,,,,they say it starts at 7
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 27, 2015, 04:23:07 PM
might stay in the sacred heart for this ,,,,,i wonder what time the actual fight will be ,,,,,,,,they say it starts at 7

Supposed to be around 10pm
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: conman on November 27, 2015, 04:32:22 PM
might stay in the sacred heart for this ,,,,,i wonder what time the actual fight will be ,,,,,,,,they say it starts at 7

Supposed to be around 10pm
cheers chico ,,,,i'll be off my trolley by then
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2015, 11:13:29 AM
A Fury win would be just the big shake up the division needs, but I just can't see it.  Klitschko to stop him and I think it could be early. 
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Stu on November 28, 2015, 04:15:58 PM
Fury needs to get inside and do some good work there. The thing for Klitschko is that he can't use his arms to rest on Fury to wear him out like he did with previous, smaller, challengers because of Fury's size (particularly Haye who called this out and Klitschko was deducted points in their fight because of it), so it is imperitive that Fury stays close to avoid Klitchko's piston-like jab. If Fury can't keep his head and comes out swinging from the start then I reckon Klitschko in 6 rounds, TKO.

I can't see anything other than a Klitschko win really.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 09:31:03 PM
Fury will certainly be tougher than any of Klitschko's opponents for the last few years - especially given his height.  But it's dangerous to fall into the trap of thinking Klitschko's opponents are bums, he'll be shown up if fights someone even half decent etc.  He's better than he looks if that makes any sense talking about a champion who's held the belt for god knows how long.

BTW I really like the look of Joshua - skills and power.  A real prospect.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Ron Manager on November 28, 2015, 09:50:36 PM
Rod Stewart's wailing is hurting my ears.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
Since when has Fury been such a bible basher?

I saw him fight a few years ago and back then he was all about being an Irish traveller, came out with the Irish flag etc.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2015, 10:09:07 PM
Since when has Fury been such a bible basher?

I saw him fight a few years ago and back then he was all about being an Irish traveller, came out with the Irish flag etc.

He's always been religious.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 10:15:09 PM
I never heard him express openly as this before.

Anyway, his allround craziness this time round makes me fear something like an Oliver McCall incident is on the cards - total breakdown.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
Fury's spending so much nervous energy on nonsense, he'll be in trouble after about round 5 or 6 if it gets that far.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2015, 10:24:51 PM
Close first round, any close rounds will be scored to Klitschko.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 10:44:55 PM
It's interesting.  Klitschko's two main weapons are jab, and grab-hold-lean.  Well, the leaning doesn't work so well when your opponent is as big as Fury, and when he also has a longer reach, your jab needs to be better than Wlad's has been so far.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2015, 10:48:55 PM
Fury winning in my book 4-2.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 10:52:13 PM
The German commentator say Wlad's behind on points (as fact, rather than in his opinion).
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2015, 10:54:02 PM
Klitschko appears to be completely nullified by someone bigger than him.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2015, 10:55:32 PM
I forsee a split decision Klitschko win. It's so hard to get the decision over there when the rounds are just shaded.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2015, 10:57:33 PM
Klitschko will be at least three rounds up on all the cards now.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
If Fury is going to take the belt he needs to clearly win the last 2 rounds I reckon.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
The Germans are saying Wlad needs a knockout.  But then again, the commentator also said Emmanuel Steward was giving him advice in his corner (perhaps proving Fury's claim about witchcraft).
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2015, 11:02:18 PM
The Germans are saying Wlad needs a knockout.  But then again, the commentator also said Emmanuel Steward was giving him advice in his corner (perhaps proving Fury's claim about witchcraft).

They also said John L. Sullivan was British.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: john e on November 28, 2015, 11:03:12 PM
He's actually gona win this
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2015, 11:04:05 PM
That decison was, er, German.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2015, 11:04:37 PM
Dodgy points deductions coming now. This is going to be controversial isn't it.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 11:04:47 PM
If I was really cynical, I'd say they'll score it a draw, Wlad keeps his belt, Fury his pride and we get a rematch.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:04:52 PM
Can't let the Home based German lose oh no.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
115-113 Fury for me.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:09:19 PM
Fury by 2 but the judges will give it the other way by 4.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Fury by 2 but the judges will give it the other way by 4.

Plus the deduction.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Well fuck me sideways.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
He got it, and for me no arguments at all.  He deserved that.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Stu on November 28, 2015, 11:12:19 PM
Wow. Just fucking wow.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:12:52 PM
What a great day for boxing.Well done Tyson my son.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2015, 11:13:17 PM
Well well well not what I expected on the cards at all. Didn't think the boy would do it, Klitschko without all the leaning and man handling looked garbage.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
One judge gave it by 5 no?  6 if you add the deduction.  In Germany too!
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 28, 2015, 11:13:50 PM
Have to say I'm shocked by that decision even though Fury had much the better of the fight.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Ron Manager on November 28, 2015, 11:13:58 PM
Well done Mr Fury!!!
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: manic-road on November 28, 2015, 11:14:29 PM
Well done Tyson, deservedly as well.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2015, 11:15:57 PM
Some surprise that.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Thought Fury won the fight, but was surprised by the scorecards seeing as the fight was in Germany. 
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 11:16:30 PM
Gives the water bottle to Lennox Lewis - 'ere 'old that.  Lennox Lewis, man.  Bit more respect please!
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:16:40 PM
Quick lose 6 points for the singing.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Stu on November 28, 2015, 11:16:49 PM
Wow. Just fucking wow.

Also - I know *fuck all* about boxing.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 28, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
The Oliver McCall breakdown happens after he's won at least.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: FrankyH on November 28, 2015, 11:20:57 PM
Hope Joshua gets a crack at him now .Really thought Klitschko would walk it, but he was very poor.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: David_Nab on November 28, 2015, 11:23:36 PM
Age caught up with Klitchko and spending years being able to dominate due to height/size advantage.Having to fight someone bigger caught him out as Fury's reach advantage meant he could use jab to dominate fight.

That said last round he wobbled Fury he needed to do that earlier.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:23:51 PM
Hope Joshua gets a crack at him now .Really thought Klitschko would walk it, but he was very poor.
Joshua is 18 months away at least.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2015, 11:25:44 PM
Yeah Joshua isn't ready. Klitschko will have a rematch clause written in I imagine.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:27:56 PM
Yeah Joshua isn't ready. Klitschko will have a rematch clause written in I imagine.
He has but he won't.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2015, 11:40:13 PM
You reckon he won't want to fight again?
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Stu on November 28, 2015, 11:40:53 PM
This stat from the Graun says it all:

The fight stats tell you a lot:

Landed: Klitschko: 52 Fury: 86

Power blows: Klitschko: 18 Fury: 48

Thrown: Klitschko: 69 Fury: 202
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 28, 2015, 11:53:01 PM
You reckon he won't want to fight again?
Yep I don't think he wanted this one.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2015, 11:57:18 PM
Hope Joshua gets a crack at him now .Really thought Klitschko would walk it, but he was very poor.the
Joshua is 18 months away at least.

I think we will be hearing a lot more from David Haye over the coming months.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: bertlambshank on November 29, 2015, 12:03:24 AM
Hope Joshua gets a crack at him now .Really thought Klitschko would walk it, but he was very poor.the
Joshua is 18 months away at least.

I think we will be hearing a lot more from David Haye over the coming months.
Well after saying Fury was a 20/1 chance for tonight's fight I look forward to his next pile of shite.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Ron Manager on November 29, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
Klitschko seemed to age about 10yrs after the eighth round. I knew he had lost after the cameras caught Vitali shaking his head.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 29, 2015, 12:20:08 PM
All that stuff about Fury losing it - the best mindgames since prime Ali. I get the feeling that everything he says (except the religious stuff - he may well be a devout Christian and good luck to him if he is) is with his tongue in his cheek.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Stu on November 29, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
All that stuff about Fury losing it - the best mindgames since prime Ali. I get the feeling that everything he says (except the religious stuff - he may well be a devout Christian and good luck to him if he is) is with his tongue in his cheek.

Agree that he was able to get inside Wlad's head - constantly reminding him that he couldn't have it all his own way before the fight; making him wrap his hands again, kicking off about the padding under the ring - all this must have had an effect on K's nature of control.

Fury can says what he likes about jebus and whatever, if he finds strength in the religious stuff then fair play to him. It was the homosexuality = paedophile stuff that made me think Fury was losing it, because that is the talk of a nutcase.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: r1hvy on November 30, 2015, 07:01:49 PM
Well it wasn't particularity entertaining was it? Why did Klitchko not throw any punches? Looking at him it was hard to see how he has dominated for so long!
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: conman on December 01, 2015, 03:58:33 PM
Well it wasn't particularity entertaining was it? Why did Klitchko not throw any punches? Looking at him it was hard to see how he has dominated for so long!

more money to be had with a rematch
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: paul_e on December 01, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
Well it wasn't particularity entertaining was it? Why did Klitchko not throw any punches? Looking at him it was hard to see how he has dominated for so long!

As others have said both him and his brother have used a tactic of 'resting' on their opponent jabbing well to stop them getting close (and then throwing the big punches when the other guy gets tired).  That doesn't work on a guy who's fitter, taller and has a longer reach.  On top of that I'm not convinced that Klitschko was 'right'; I don't know if he didn't take Fury seriously, was a bit under the weather, Fury got in his head or he is just too old for it (he's 39 after all) but he just seem as prepared or focused as he normally is.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2015, 07:16:29 PM
All that stuff about Fury losing it - the best mindgames since prime Ali. I get the feeling that everything he says (except the religious stuff - he may well be a devout Christian and good luck to him if he is) is with his tongue in his cheek.

Agree that he was able to get inside Wlad's head - constantly reminding him that he couldn't have it all his own way before the fight; making him wrap his hands again, kicking off about the padding under the ring - all this must have had an effect on K's nature of control.

Fury can says what he likes about jebus and whatever, if he finds strength in the religious stuff then fair play to him. It was the homosexuality = paedophile stuff that made me think Fury was losing it, because that is the talk of a nutcase.

Tyson Fury is a grade A thundercunt and makes Nigel Pearson look like an intelligent, endearing liberal.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 03, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
Surely he's one of the greatest homophobic heavyweight champs of all time?
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: conman on December 04, 2015, 04:38:03 AM
I love tyson fury
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: tomd2103 on December 04, 2015, 09:28:27 AM
Well it wasn't particularity entertaining was it? Why did Klitchko not throw any punches? Looking at him it was hard to see how he has dominated for so long!

As others have said both him and his brother have used a tactic of 'resting' on their opponent jabbing well to stop them getting close (and then throwing the big punches when the other guy gets tired).  That doesn't work on a guy who's fitter, taller and has a longer reach.  On top of that I'm not convinced that Klitschko was 'right'; I don't know if he didn't take Fury seriously, was a bit under the weather, Fury got in his head or he is just too old for it (he's 39 after all) but he just seem as prepared or focused as he normally is.

Maybe a bit of all that, but due to his size Fury was also able negate his main weapon - the jab.  Once that was gone, we saw there was little else.  I see the rematch clause has been activated and Wembley has been mentioned.  Can't see it selling out Wembley to be honest.  Etihad might be a more realistic venue.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: paul_e on December 04, 2015, 01:11:44 PM
Well it wasn't particularity entertaining was it? Why did Klitchko not throw any punches? Looking at him it was hard to see how he has dominated for so long!

As others have said both him and his brother have used a tactic of 'resting' on their opponent jabbing well to stop them getting close (and then throwing the big punches when the other guy gets tired).  That doesn't work on a guy who's fitter, taller and has a longer reach.  On top of that I'm not convinced that Klitschko was 'right'; I don't know if he didn't take Fury seriously, was a bit under the weather, Fury got in his head or he is just too old for it (he's 39 after all) but he just seem as prepared or focused as he normally is.

Maybe a bit of all that, but due to his size Fury was also able negate his main weapon - the jab.  Once that was gone, we saw there was little else.  I see the rematch clause has been activated and Wembley has been mentioned.  Can't see it selling out Wembley to be honest.  Etihad might be a more realistic venue.

I mentioned his jab and mentioned that Fury negated it, I've put them in bold.  I think it was a combination of a bunch of things but I also think that Klitschko is focusing on 1-2 of the extra bits at the end of my post as the problem which is why they've called the rematch so quickly.  Cynics will say it's all about the big payday but I'm not so sure, I think he really wants to retire at the top like his brother and this is the only chance for that to happen.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 04, 2015, 10:12:41 PM
I love tyson fury

He won't love you back the big homophobic twat.
Title: Re: Klitschko v Fury
Post by: ACVilla on December 04, 2015, 11:12:53 PM
I love tyson fury

He won't love you back the big homophobic twat.

It's alright though, he doesn't need to be clever. Let him believe what he wants to believe (God help he expresses his homophobic outdated views on here though).

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