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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: footyskillz on November 23, 2015, 11:07:09 AM
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Well Richardson was greatly exposed and there is a left back problem.
Who would you take at left back till January. Then the window opens and can review situation.
The way I see it there are 10 options. Plus maybe recalling loan.
For me there's a toss up between hutton, bacuna or lescott.
I think for experience and defence lescott till January.
I've listed other options like left footer nzogbia who has played left back and youth player kinsella. Illori is listed as interests of fairness.
There those defenders on loan are baker, Bennett and Cissokho
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We cannot recall a loan player as we have named a full 25 man squad.
Richardson was diabolical and what's worse, its no secret, as Everton really pressed high on him and switched the ball onto him as quick as they could.
It didn't help we had somebody as defensively bad and work shy as Greallish in front of him, who lacked the pace to force Everton to think about being 5 yards deeper and lacked the work rate to actually track and cover.
Its a real pickle. If you go with Lescott, then you'd need to put Bacuna/Richards at right back with a lot more licence to get forwards to balance us out.
He's likely to be quite badly exposed at Southampton unless we change our shape.
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I'd give Kinsella a go, I've no idea if he's ready, but all the other options leave me terrified. Then get Bennett back in January.
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I'd get Ashley Cole in on a free transfer.
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I'd get Ashley Cole in on a free transfer.
I think we can do that from Jan, but we cannot add him to our squad until then.
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I'd get Ashley Cole in on a free transfer.
I think we can do that from Jan, but we cannot add him to our squad until then.
Until then I'd definitely give Kinsella a go. I'd recall Cissokho in January if that's possible.
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Where is this Ilori lad and is he any good?
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He's very, very fast.
A solution may be to shoehorn him in on the wrong side [which isn't necessarily fair on a young player], put Okore in next to Clark and then Richards at right back, as you'd have three very quick defenders, which can allow them to recover from mistakes.
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I would play Hutton left back and Richards right back. Being totally out of position is nowhere near as bad as being totally useless.
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I think that is probably the best solution Brian. Hutton at least knows how to be a so-so full back, even if you make the task harder by having him on the wrong side.
What makes this all the more staggering is Sherwood actually picked Richardson ahead of other options. As did MacDonald. They actually choose him.
Unbelievable.
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Not Richardson. Not Lescott.
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didn't the floral one have a spell at left back at the Jawdies? He's been shit further up the pitch so why not give it a try.
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I must also praise your spot Ads of the need for an out ball down the flank. We need the pass and we need the runner.
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Flowerpot man is about as likely to put his foot in as he is to buy a suit from Montague Burton.
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I think that is probably the best solution Brian. Hutton at least knows how to be a so-so full back, even if you make the task harder by having him on the wrong side.
What makes this all the more staggering is Sherwood actually picked Richardson ahead of other options. As did MacDonald. They actually choose him.
Unbelievable.
Its the old pro act - he is a player of experience so they choose him thinking that is the overriding trait required
When we bought him I always queried that he has played in the prem for a multitude of teams yet I don't think anyone could name his actual position - it seems none of his previous managers could either
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footyskilz - You have N'zogbia listed twice.
I'd go for Hutton with Richards at right back and Okore next to Clark.
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What game time has Crespo had so far?
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There's always the option of going five at the back away from home. It's not ideal but we may be a bit harder to beat and pick up a draw or two, although it would limits our attacking options. Who play's left back in that scenario though is open to debate.
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At least we have options, there is no need to stick with Richardson. He's so bad he will be targeted every single game. If there isn't a better left back at the club than him then we are probably going down anyway because he's lower Championship quality. How is he even a left back anyway? I though for years he was a crap midfielder?
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At least we have options, there is no need to stick with Richardson
10 sh%te options is really no option at all. ;)
Personally, I'd give Kinsella a go. I don't its possible he could do any worse than Richardson out there. But he absolutely couldn't have Gil or Grealish in front of him -that would be suicidal.
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I would give Crespo a go personally.
What's the story with Okore? Wasn't he playing for the U21's about a month ago?
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Lescott is now way too slow to play left-back. He's also way too slow to play centre-back as well.
Crespo or Hutton for me.
Is it possible that out of the non-Rico & non-Lescott options, Zog might have the most experience at left back ?
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They way we are playing we need attacking fullbacks. we also have a good selection of CB's. For that reason, id try Richards out there. one of his skills is carrying the ball out of defence. Clarke and Okore through the middle
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Zog might have the most experience at left back ?
Possibly true. But the thought of him either having to win a d 50/50 tackle, or a header from a long diagonal ball, should delete him as an option straight off.
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Liam Kinsella all the way.
Look at Everton they could have bottled it loosing Leighton Baines , they took a gamble on Brendan Galloway and its paid off.
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We all pooped our pants when Enda Stephens had to come in v Man United. He did ok I think. (I may have dreamt that this happened) Maybe I am thinking of Andy Comyn v Liverpool?
Either way - if it is someone who specialises in that position (Kinsella) then why not do that rather than swap players around?
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I have no idea how to resolve it, but one thing I am sure of is Richardson should 'left back' in the dressing room.
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I'd go for Hutton with Richards at right back and Okore next to Clark.
I reckon this may be the least worst option.
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Nobody stands out from that list. Kinsella has only played 3 games on loan at Luton so it's too early for him. Lescott would have been as bad probably on Saturday. Perhaps Hutton us best short term fix with Okore coming in. Don't want to see Richardson play again thank you.
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I'd move Richards over to right back, put Okore in at centre half and give Crespo a go at left back. I'd give some serious consideration to giving Bunn a run in the side too.
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I'd move Richards over to right back, put Okore in at centre half and give Crespo a go at left back. I'd give some serious consideration to giving Bunn a run in the side too.
All of this.
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SWitching Hutton to left back would be an epic fail, they tried it last season with disastrous consequences.
Personally, I'd go with three centre backs.
I don't think we can recall Bennet or Cissokho in January but if we could get Cissokho back.
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I know which one I'm picking
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I'd go for this kid Suliman at left back - someone with the confidence of youth. I'd look to play someone ahead of him whom we can trust, both in attack and tracking-back; perhaps Sinclair, short-term (Shit, I'd even play Richardson ahead of the FB if he has to be in the team at all; but I'm not advocating it).
Alongside the kid, we'd need a quick CB - which may mean Ilori.
Question is: who is actually fit to play? - Okore? Ilori? Crespo?
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Liam Kinsella all the way.
Look at Everton they could have bottled it loosing Leighton Baines , they took a gamble on Brendan Galloway and its paid off.
There is one drawback to that. Galloway didn't walk into a team who were low on confidence and bottom on the table. It would be a big ask to be honest.
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I think I would play Amavi on one leg! The only one of that defence who deserves credit at the moment is Hutton who gives 110% each and every game. Richards
gets caught out of position far too many times. We are so desperate at the moment I would go with Guzan, Richards Hutton,Clark and Lescott It might work but then again it probably wouldn't!
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Liam Kinsella all the way.
Look at Everton they could have bottled it loosing Leighton Baines , they took a gamble on Brendan Galloway and its paid off.
There is one drawback to that. Galloway didn't walk into a team who were low on confidence and bottom on the table. It would be a big ask to be honest.
I take it you mean Lewis Kinsella?
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Ilori or Crespo. Or a tub of lard. Just not Richardson. He was shocking against Everton.
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Yes.. Lewis. We need to gamble. All the others are known to be shit.
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I would play Hutton left back and Richards right back. Being totally out of position is nowhere near as bad as being totally useless.
As a right back Hutton never goes past the defender to cross the ball, so if on the left when he cuts in he'll at least have the option to shoot.
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footyskilz - You have N'zogbia listed twice.
I'd go for Hutton with Richards at right back and Okore next to Clark.
Sorry can we amend that so only one Charlie n'zogbia!
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As others have said, play Kinsella and if he bombs he would be no worse than Richardson. This is the second game Richardson has cost us three goals in a game, he did the same against QPR last season.
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We might have to stay with Richardson, I remember his car crash performance against QPR last season but he turned it around reasonably in later games
Richardson looks over weight and unfit generally, Lescott looks even more overweight, slow and unfit
Think unfortunately our best bet is to play Richardson but with a player that puts a shift in ahead of him so Sinclair or Ayew
Grealish doesnt try a leg defensively and is a real problem for us now as he isnt good enough to play behind the front man (Spurs away no-show)
We arent able to give Grealish a run on the left wing now due to how poor our options are at left back
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Lescott with Richardson ahead of him. Would mean solid if experienced left side. I would be interested to see ilori or Crespo there but what's needed for sure is solidarity. Perhaps this option in away matches or tougher teams.
Do need an attacking threat on the sides and that's something needs to be looked at.
Sinclair , gabby or even nzogbia would prob show more in a protective sense that grealish and all are quicker.
Its a tricky one but lescott using his experience and Ariel ability hopefully can do a job comfortably
I think bacuna played left back or left sided previous seasons intermittently. I even think he may have scored against Leicester or WBA from that side
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Personally, I'd go with three centre backs.
Could be an option. Richards, Okore and Clark might work.
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Lescott with Richardson ahead of him. Would mean solid if experienced left side. I would be interested to see ilori or Crespo there but what's needed for sure is solidarity.
Assuming you're going for solidity (rather than a lack of worker unionisation being the problem in our feeble defence), then what have you seen from either Lescott or Richardson to suggest that they would be any more solid than any other player in our squad? Or for that matter anybody in the world.
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Lescott did o.k playing left back under Pulis but you'd have to position our back 4 on the 18 yard box so putting more pressure on our flimsy midfield.
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Personally, I'd go with three centre backs.
Could be an option. Richards, Okore and Clark might work.
Who would be left wing back? Nzogbia or Richardson then.
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Lescott with Richardson ahead of him. Would mean solid if experienced left side. I would be interested to see ilori or Crespo there but what's needed for sure is solidarity.
Assuming you're going for solidity (rather than a lack of worker unionisation being the problem in our feeble defence), then what have you seen from either Lescott or Richardson to suggest that they would be any more solid than any other player in our squad? Or for that matter anybody in the world.
Basing it on the experience tag and that teamed up Richardson would come back and help and has decent enough delivery. Villa are working together like this players who have hard work the Remy way and working with what we have got.
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Personally, I'd go with three centre backs.
Could be an option. Richards, Okore and Clark might work.
thing is, Okore hasn't played for so long now that our expectation that he will return as a saviour is optimistic to say the least.
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Personally, I'd go with three centre backs.
Could be an option. Richards, Okore and Clark might work.
thing is, Okore hasn't played for so long now that our expectation that he will return as a saviour is optimistic to say the least.
just posted the same on another thread
i have seen nothing to suggest the okore is anything more than mediocre
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Looks like we'll be playing whoever there until Cissokho comes back in Jan. I'd agree he's a step up from Richardson as a defender but going forward he's absolutely shocking. He needs to not go past our attacking semi circle under any circumstances. For me he'd make a better left sided CB than an LB.
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For .... sake, just no more Richardson.
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Would agree with those who think that 3-5-2 could be the short term answer for the absence of an experienced quality left back, defensive frailties and the lightweight midfield problems. Who would be the best players for that formation ?
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Crespo didn't look too bad, though I know he's hardly played much, let alone at left back. But I thought, entirely wrongly perhaps, that he was signed as an auxiliary full back who could play on both flanks, rather than centrally. I'm sure there was something about that in the usual guff when he was surprisingly signed.
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Would agree with those who think that 3-5-2 could be the short term answer for the absence of an experienced quality left back, defensive frailties and the lightweight midfield problems. Who would be the best players for that formation ?
Guzan
Ilori Okore Clark
Richards Bacuna
Sanchez Gana
Veretout
Ayew Adama
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First you have to play Sinclair on the left as he is the most disciplined.No idea how good bad IlloriCrespo is.
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Would agree with those who think that 3-5-2 could be the short term answer for the absence of an experienced quality left back, defensive frailties and the lightweight midfield problems. Who would be the best players for that formation ?
If we went to 3-5-2, which I seriously doubt we will, I would go with:
Bunn
Richards Okore Clark
Sanchez
Bacuna Veretout Gana Richardson
Gil
Ayew
I think Guzan needs to be taken out the side and unfortunately I can't see any other credible option to Richardson on the left. Would be a big step to change formation though.
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Hutton and Richards have probably been our two best defenders (which I appreciate isn't saying much) so not sure moving them around to left back and right back resepectively is going to help.
Would probably go with Crespo or Lescott until January and then recall Cissokho. If we do however we need to make sure it's someone who works hard in front of them to give them some support (and not Grealish)
It's all a bit shambolic that we lose our new left back and now can't find anyone even borderline competent to fill the gap!
Richardson simply cannot play there again on the evidence of Saturday...
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I think this team worth a look
Bunn
Richards Okore Clark
Sanchez
Gil Veretout Gana Sinclair
Grealish
Ayew
But I don't know if 3-6-1 formation is good system to use though.
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fuck me if we play lescott at left back we may as well give up now
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Guzan
Hutton Richards Clark Lescott
Veretout Sanchez Bacuna
Gil. Sinclair Ayew
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Lescott is not a left back in a million years.
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I think this team worth a look
Bunn
Richards Okore Clark
Sanchez
Gil Veretout Gana Sinclair
Grealish
Ayew
But I don't know if 3-6-1 formation is good system to use though.
I imagine that we won't be seeing Jack for a good while.
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Lescott played left back a fair amount last season for Albion, and much of his career at Everton.
He might not be a left back, but he has miles more experience than anyone else there, and when we need to basically defend solidly, it seems a no brainer to me, plus he is a threat from set pieces the other end. In January we can re-visit, but until then he is a means to an end. In front of him Sinclair for his work rate seems the best option, although we become very reliant on Gil to create in that situation.
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Lescott is not a left back in a million years.
Agreed thats far too short how about a billion. I mean we all imagined his stints at left back just last season oh and man city and Everton.
Actually he's not even a defender !!
Moyes, Hughes and Mancini were completely wrong to ever play as a defender or left back as it was only in last 8years.
Pulis too what does he know about defenders.
Lescott 7 games at left back til xmas that's just crazy!
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Lescott played left back a fair amount last season for Albion, and much of his career at Everton.
He might not be a left back, but he has miles more experience than anyone else there, and when we need to basically defend solidly, it seems a no brainer to me, plus he is a threat from set pieces the other end. In January we can re-visit, but until then he is a means to an end. In front of him Sinclair for his work rate seems the best option, although we become very reliant on Gil to create in that situation.
Well it wasn't a no-brainer for Garde last Saturday, as I predicted when Amavi got injured. Maybe he will readjust his brain to your analysis for the weekend.
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Personally, I'd go with three centre backs.
Could be an option. Richards, Okore and Clark might work.
thing is, Okore hasn't played for so long now that our expectation that he will return as a saviour is optimistic to say the least.
I repeat: several suggested teams above have Okore in there as a critical player. What makes you think he's fit and effective enough to really make a difference. I sincerely hope he is but I see no evidence of it.
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Personally, I'd go with three centre backs.
Could be an option. Richards, Okore and Clark might work.
thing is, Okore hasn't played for so long now that our expectation that he will return as a saviour is optimistic to say the least.
I repeat: several suggested teams above have Okore in there as a critical player. What makes you think he's fit and effective enough to really make a difference. I sincerely hope he is but I see no evidence of it.
okore has like so many players become better whilst injured.
i have seen nothing from him to suggest he is anything more than mediocre
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We are desperate for a left back. If Kinsella cannot come in in this situation, what is the point of him being in the squad.
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We are desperate for a left back. If Kinsella cannot come in in this situation, what is the point of him being in the squad.
Surely that was Sherwood's judgement. Would you trust it given what we now know of him?
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i have seen nothing from him to suggest he is anything more than mediocre
Mediocre is a step up at the moment!
I'd probably go with Lescott, on the basis that surely if Llori or Crespo were any kop we'd have seen them picked by now (Hopefully I'm wrong and one of them turns out to be ace). Such a pity Amavi got crocked, he looked like developing into the best left back at Villa for years.
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i have seen nothing from him to suggest he is anything more than mediocre
Mediocre is a step up at the moment!
I'd probably go with Lescott, on the basis that surely if Llori or Crespo were any kop we'd have seen them picked by now (Hopefully I'm wrong and one of them turns out to be ace). Such a pity Amavi got crocked, he looked like developing into the best left back at Villa for years.
for me amavi is a liability as a defender but worse than that a bottler
going forward he is fantastic and for me he is a left sided midielder all day long
lescott starting any game in any position just sums up where we are
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Just watched the Hull v Derby game - impressive away win to take Derby top.
The Derby left-back had a very solid game & got 'Man of the Match'.
Anyone know much about him ?
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Only 3% saw Bacuna as the left back. For me he did well today against mane apart from being beaten all ends up once before he went off injured. Also in early stages an awkward jump with his hands in air was a bit risky. Well done to bacuna who also had a shot off target. He was nt given much scope to get forward and cross the ball but providing he recovers from injury i think the left back slot is his for now.
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Richards comes back Hutton should go to LB because at least he thinks like a full back. Richards to RB, Okore and Lescott (possibly lesser of two evils?) in the middle. Clark can fight for his spot.
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Richards comes back Hutton should go to LB because at least he thinks like a full back. Richards to RB, Okore and Lescott (possibly lesser of two evils?) in the middle. Clark can fight for his spot.
That's worth a shot.
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Richards comes back Hutton should go to LB because at least he thinks like a full back. Richards to RB, Okore and Lescott (possibly lesser of two evils?) in the middle. Clark can fight for his spot.
That's worth a shot.
Hutton played left back at St Marys and we conceded 6, when Leo played there we conceded 1
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
Each to their own Clampy, but him Being anywhere near the starting 11 is akin to Westwood and many others. They will hold us back until replaced. I appreciate it is all about opinions but I think he's garbage but only one of the many who need replacing.
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
Each to their own Clampy, but him Being anywhere near the starting 11 is akin to Westwood and many others. They will hold us back until replaced. I appreciate it is all about opinions but I think he's garbage but only one of the many who need replacing.
Out of interest, who would you play left back?
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
Each to their own Clampy, but him Being anywhere near the starting 11 is akin to Westwood and many others. They will hold us back until replaced. I appreciate it is all about opinions but I think he's garbage but only one of the many who need replacing.
Out of interest, who would you play left back?
We don't really have the answer do we? Richardson is awful, Lescott too slow etc. We have to make do until January. Unless Crespo or Ilori are capable of playing there, I would ask Clark to fill in until January.
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
Each to their own Clampy, but him Being anywhere near the starting 11 is akin to Westwood and many others. They will hold us back until replaced. I appreciate it is all about opinions but I think he's garbage but only one of the many who need replacing.
Out of interest, who would you play left back?
We don't really have the answer do we? Richardson is awful, Lescott too slow etc. We have to make do until January. Unless Crespo or Ilori are capable of playing there, I would ask Clark to fill in until January.
Fucking he'll, the last time I remember Clark playing left back was at the stripeys, he was a fucking car crash and we were two down undo inside 10 mins.
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
Decent?
Bacuna threatens to be a good player occasionally but he has no heart
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
Decent?
Bacuna threatens to be a good player occasionally but he has no heart
Yes, I thought he did well considering he's not a left back.
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Would anyone take Ashley Cole in January?
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Bacuna is crap, whatever position he plays. Never in a million years is he capable of playing left back. Terrible player.
He had a decent game yesterday so yes, he is capable of playing there. I'd leave him at left back until a replacement comes in.
Each to their own Clampy, but him Being anywhere near the starting 11 is akin to Westwood and many others. They will hold us back until replaced. I appreciate it is all about opinions but I think he's garbage but only one of the many who need replacing.
Out of interest, who would you play left back?
We don't really have the answer do we? Richardson is awful, Lescott too slow etc. We have to make do until January. Unless Crespo or Ilori are capable of playing there, I would ask Clark to fill in until January.
Fucking he'll, the last time I remember Clark playing left back was at the stripeys, he was a fucking car crash and we were two down undo inside 10 mins.
It was bad and reminded of when Gaz Baz filled in there against Reading and Glen Little tore him several new ones
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Would anyone take Ashley Cole in January?
Absolutely. No doubt a wanker, but as a player what he would bring is mountains of experience and leadership. He's not the player was off course so we cannot expect that, but considering our likely options will be Cissokho and Richardson, Cole today is 10 times the player they are. Wages will be a stumbling block but it depends on how much he wants to play in the PL again one more time. If he is motivated and generally that has never been an issue with him as a player he'll be a positive asset at a time when we will need all the help we can get.
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Would anyone take Ashley Cole in January?
Absolutely. No doubt a wanker, but as a player what he would bring is mountains of experience and leadership. He's not the player was off course so we cannot expect that, but considering our likely options will be Cissokho and Richardson, Cole today is 10 times the player they are. Wages will be a stumbling block but it depends on how much he wants to play in the PL again one more time. If he is motivated and generally that has never been an issue with him as a player he'll be a positive asset at a time when we will need all the help we can get.
I think I'd rather we give Cissokho a chance, I think he's a better player than we've seen and working with a decent coaching team he may be competent cover for now, certainly can't be worse that Richardson who is a truly terrible fullback.
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Would anyone take Ashley Cole in January?
Absolutely. No doubt a wanker, but as a player what he would bring is mountains of experience and leadership. He's not the player was off course so we cannot expect that, but considering our likely options will be Cissokho and Richardson, Cole today is 10 times the player they are. Wages will be a stumbling block but it depends on how much he wants to play in the PL again one more time. If he is motivated and generally that has never been an issue with him as a player he'll be a positive asset at a time when we will need all the help we can get.
I think I'd rather we give Cissokho a chance, I think he's a better player than we've seen and working with a decent coaching team he may be competent cover for now, certainly can't be worse that Richardson who is a truly terrible fullback.
He'll be back at the club no doubt. But as cover to Cole I'd be fine with that. But if we are hoping for him to be the answer until next season it is just asking for trouble.
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Agree about giving Cissokho a chance if we can get him back from Porto in January (shouldn't be a problem as he's hardly played for them). Apparently he played for Garde at Lyon so he may get more out of him than other managers have done. Wouldn't be overly averse to Cole either. Anyone but Richardson tbh
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If Cissoko isn't playing I'd be inclined to take him back regardless - and if we can take Cole as well for six months why not.
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Would anyone take Ashley Cole in January?
Absolutely. No doubt a wanker, but as a player what he would bring is mountains of experience and leadership. He's not the player was off course so we cannot expect that, but considering our likely options will be Cissokho and Richardson, Cole today is 10 times the player they are. Wages will be a stumbling block but it depends on how much he wants to play in the PL again one more time. If he is motivated and generally that has never been an issue with him as a player he'll be a positive asset at a time when we will need all the help we can get.
I think I'd rather we give Cissokho a chance, I think he's a better player than we've seen and working with a decent coaching team he may be competent cover for now, certainly can't be worse that Richardson who is a truly terrible fullback.
Also, didn't he play for Garde at Lyon. Buying somebody to fill this position is not the best way of spending limited funds in my opinion when, hopefully, Amavi will be back next season. The only other option would be to bring somebody in on loan.