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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Lucky Eddie on November 10, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
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I said this to my mate on Saturday night and to my surprise he thought it was out of the question.
Is it being discussed anywhere else that our new man instigated the French spending spree and caused the odd Sherwood and Spurs away team selections?
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No.
I would say the reverse where getting someone in who can get the best out of the current squad and new signings influenced getting Remi.
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I'd be amazed if our commitment to expensive transfer fees and contracts would have had anything to do with an outsider at the time. The presence of so many French players in the squad may have made him more attractive to the board after Sherwood was sacked mind.
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Personally, I doubt it.
If they were going down that road why would they keep Sherwood on?
Why not go the whole hog and get rid of him before the season and get Garde in from the first game?
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I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
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I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
McDonald lost a fair bit of the fans goodwill that night sad to say
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I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
McDonald lost a fair bit of the fans goodwill that night sad to say
I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
McDonald lost a fair bit of the fans goodwill that night sad to say
In hindsight it looks like a protest from him.
If it wasn't Remi - who exactly steered us towards a completely new market and reinvented our spending policy?
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I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
Not really. Garde was appointed just before the Spurs game. He could have influenced the line up yes, but as it wasn't that different to the cup game and the ones that cost Sherwood the job. So I would say he left the team to it so he can see the issues ( and any good points) before he took the first training session. Sherwood did the same as he was appointed to late before a match as well.
And to expand on my earlier answer to the original point, the original transfer policy in the summer was probably an attempt to emulate Newcastle's original success with cheap (in comparison) transfers on unknown young French players. I don't see why they would have asked Remi who he wanted and then waited three months plus an additional 9 days before they got him in.
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I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
McDonald lost a fair bit of the fans goodwill that night sad to say
I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
McDonald lost a fair bit of the fans goodwill that night sad to say
In hindsight it looks like a protest from him.
If it wasn't Remi - who exactly steered us towards a completely new market and reinvented our spending policy?
Well I'm presuming that committee that everyone been talking about
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My guess is that Reilly and the other scouts had identified that the French market offered the best value and therefore had research it/the players most thoroughly. Hence we end up with lots of French players.
Remi probably made sense for a number of reasons. One being that the 'committee' approach to transfers not being unusual.
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I'm surprised it hasn't been questioned as a possibility - it certainly explains the Spurs line up.
Not really. Garde was appointed just before the Spurs game. He could have influenced the line up yes, but as it wasn't that different to the cup game and the ones that cost Sherwood the job. So I would say he left the team to it so he can see the issues ( and any good points) before he took the first training session. Sherwood did the same as he was appointed to late before a match as well.
And to expand on my earlier answer to the original point, the original transfer policy in the summer was probably an attempt to emulate Newcastle's original success with cheap (in comparison) transfers on unknown young French players. I don't see why they would have asked Remi who he wanted and then waited three months plus an additional 9 days before they got him in.
I'd be surprised if anybody's using Newcastle as a model to follow.
Remi came from nowhere to be the only fella under consideration - I'm just not having it that he wasn't influencing summer spends. We'd never bought French before - Six and Ginola aside - this all seems like more than a coincidence to me.
Maybe Randy deserves a bit more credit for actually having a strategy after all?
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I think Fox has initiated a strategy (with Randy's wishes) whereby we follow a more european model of how the club is run with less emphasis on the importance of the manager i.e. the MON model. I think the selection of manager being foreign is the connection - or a logical hunch - and the fact he is french purely coincidence.
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Nah. Too far-fetched. Why wait so long to sack Sherwood? The Stoke game would have been ideal before a two-week break. We could have been even quicker on the draw if we were just waiting for an excuse.
What if Sherwood had got off to flier?
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Carew, Sylla and Makoun were all signed from French clubs. It's hardly some alien country we've never signed anyone from before.
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Carew, Sylla and Makoun were all signed from French clubs. It's hardly some alien country we've never signed anyone from before.
Not to mention this chappy.
(http://e2.365dm.com/07/09/800x600/Mathieu_Berson_574291.jpg)
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I'd be surprised if anybody's using Newcastle as a model to follow.
Remi came from nowhere to be the only fella under consideration - I'm just not having it that he wasn't influencing summer spends. We'd never bought French before - Six and Ginola aside - this all seems like more than a coincidence to me.
Maybe Randy deserves a bit more credit for actually having a strategy after all?
Four years ago, the strategy was working well. However Mike Ashley being Mike Ashley meant he managed to screw it up. It is still valid and we are also looking at other countries as well.
I do think you are looking for conspiracies where there isn't any.
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The players were recommended by Paddy Reilly. Remi was appointed because the board thought he was the best fit for getting the best out of our squad. No conspiracy in it at all.
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I find it hard to believe that we spent tens of millions on players that our current manager didn't want, in the hope he'd get shit results with them so we could sack him a few months down the road. It's a bit of a stretch to turn that into a likely scenario.
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Didn't sherwood explain how the committee worked in an interview after getting sacked? I seriously doubt that he'd have been able to resist throwing that bombshell in, had it even been a possibility.
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I accept every comment made.
I still think it's more than coincidence that a Frenchman was the only person in the frame for the biggest job in football. I'm not suggesting that anybody spent lavishly and hoped Sherwood would fail, more that it was inevitable that he would and that the new man would have something to work with from day one.
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I said this to my mate on Saturday night and to my surprise he thought it was out of the question.
Is it being discussed anywhere else that our new man instigated the French spending spree and caused the odd Sherwood and Spurs away team selections?
Timmy would have a pretty watertight case for constructive dismissal if he did. I think it's more likely that whoever advised on signing the players, advised on hiring Rémi to work with them.
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I said this to my mate on Saturday night and to my surprise he thought it was out of the question.
Is it being discussed anywhere else that our new man instigated the French spending spree and caused the odd Sherwood and Spurs away team selections?
Timmy would have a pretty watertight case for constructive dismissal if he did. I think it's more likely that whoever advised on signing the players, advised on hiring Rémi to work with them.
In my book that amounts to the same thing.
Incorrect as I may be I'm still really surprised none of Tims mates in the press have pieced this possibility together.
Macdonalds baffling omissions at Spurs strike me as a silent protest.
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I mean: advised hiring Rémi after Timmy showed he wasn't up to the job. I am certain they gave him a fair crack, the big spanner
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I said this to my mate on Saturday night and to my surprise he thought it was out of the question.
Is it being discussed anywhere else that our new man instigated the French spending spree and caused the odd Sherwood and Spurs away team selections?
Timmy would have a pretty watertight case for constructive dismissal if he did. I think it's more likely that whoever advised on signing the players, advised on hiring Rémi to work with them.
In my book that amounts to the same thing.
I really don't think that "our new man instigated the French spending" and "whoever advised on signing the players, advised on hiring Rémi to work with them" is the same thing at all.
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If I ever have to go to an employment tribunal, I want Eddie on the panel.
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If I ever have to go to an employment tribunal, I want Eddie on the panel.
Can I represent you?
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If I ever have to go to an employment tribunal, I want Eddie on the panel.
Can I represent you?
Only if you promise to really ham it up.
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If I ever have to go to an employment tribunal, I want Eddie on the panel.
Can I represent you?
Only if you promise to really ham it up.
Oh,that comes as standard.
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If I ever have to go to an employment tribunal, I want Eddie on the panel.
Can I represent you?
Only if you promise to really ham it up.
Oh,that comes as standard.
Imagine a drunk William Shatner who forgot the hearing was today. That's my ideal legal counsel
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I'm not sure I could top that.
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I think I saw Remi, standing on the grassy knoll
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I think I saw Remi, standing on the grassy knoll
Aha! So you were there too? You're nicked!
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I think I saw Remi, standing on the grassy knoll
Aha! So you were there too? You're nicked!
Bye interface losers
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Wake up, sheeple
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Wake up, sheeple
'Do some research' is my personal favourite.
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I'm confused, is the insinuation that Garde influenced our summer transfers and that Sherwood and KMac picked teams out of protest?
It sounds so stupid, why would Villa wait so long to appoint Garde if he was intended to take over all along?
We will most likely go down, aided by the fact we waited so long to replace Tim.
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I'm confused, is the insinuation that Garde influenced our summer transfers and that Sherwood and KMac picked teams out of protest?
It sounds so stupid, why would Villa wait so long to appoint Garde if he was intended to take over all along?
We will most likely go down, aided by the fact we waited so long to replace Tim.
to make it look good so no one would rumble their cunning plan
but it has been rumbled right here and right now
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It all sounds a bit like an episode of Scooby Doo
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It all sounds a bit like an episode of Scooby Doo
They'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
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It all sounds a bit like an episode of Scooby Doo
They'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
open and shut case when it comes to light that Remi was filling in as a part time janitor in his time off
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With respect Lucky Eddie you suggestion is complete bollocks.
Next thread for you to start is
" Did Lord Coe deliberately allowed London games to be sabotaged so he could out Russians as cheats?"
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This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've read on here and that's saying something.
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To be fair everyone is ripping Eddie here but the essence of what he is saying is not that far fetched. In fact, Toronto said something back when Remi was on short odds about it all being a bit convenient that we bought a load of French players, then Sherwood was given a leaked deadline that they knew he wouldn't hit, we gave him a relatively low pay off and then Remi appears apparently from nowhere. I don't remember too many people digging him out...in fact no-one. I'm not digging Toronto out at all, in fact the only reason I remember his reply is because I thought exactly the same myself. It's not quite as black and white as Remi 'bought the players' but to say Eddie's suggestion is the most ridiculous thing ever read on here is beyond harsh in my opinion.
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We need Dan to give a definitive answer to this one.
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I want to hear from Darren Woolley on this before I sleep peacefully.
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Is it possible that the board already had decided what kind of recruitment policy the club needed in order to improve year-on-year? The up-and-at-them guy they hired last year to salvage the season did in fact manage to avoid the drop (even though there could be plenty of others that might do so, given the chance...)
If he also could get the best out of the new crop of recruits: great. Keep him on until he's found out. If not: "Well, thank you, you did what you were required to do: keep us up. Now, you've had your chance to prove yourself, and you blew it. Thank you, and bye-bye. Now, we're going to find the guy that actually will be able to bring the best out of our new squad." And they might just possibly have a couple of French candidates in mind?
Or am I attributing way too much intelligence/cunning to the board?
Not attributing too much of the sort to our last manager incumbent...
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This is where my head was and I imagine what Toronto was suggesting may not be too far fetched. I'm not convinced that Remi directly bought players but to label any conversation about a recruitment policy which may have had someone in mind other than Sherwood as completely ridiculous is pretty unfair.
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to say Eddie's suggestion is the most ridiculous thing ever read on here is beyond harsh in my opinion.
This is true, it's not even in my top 50
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This is where my head was and I imagine what Toronto was suggesting may not be too far fetched. I'm not convinced that Remi directly bought players but to label any conversation about a recruitment policy which may have had someone in mind other than Sherwood as completely ridiculous is pretty unfair.
I don't think that anybody is denying that the recruitment policy might have been to benefit a manager other than Sherwood, and I don't think that anybody has labelled that suggestion as ridiculous - that's a mile away though from Rémi Garde 'instigating the French spending spree'.
Which is ridiculous.
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Can we have a poll?
1. Ridiculous
2. Not ridiculous
3. Back, and to the left
4. Creepy janitor
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How about - they were working in a market with which they were familiar, both for players and then a manager?
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Sherwood himself at one point over the summer that the reason we were buying players from primarily France was because there was far more value for money than buying British.
So there was a strategy that we would buy players that would cover any one of 3 scenarios.
1. Players and club develop in tandem and send us shooting up the league. Everyone's happy.
2. Players develop faster than club progresses. A good percentage of the players "do a Benteke" for us and allow us to repeat the trick for free in 2/3 years time. Players very happy. Club financially happy. Supporters "will things ever bloody change"
3. The playing side goes to rat shit and we end up finally swirling down the plughole. We're in a position where any players that want out / need to go can go without completely banjaxing the finances in terms of writing off value, bit on the flip side we can probably afford to keep most of them, as Newcastle did. Nobody's happy but at least we aren't reliant on Randy's benevolence to keep the club solvent again.
The players may well have been brought in to fit an overall philosophy of how Fox & co want the club to be run and fit within the playing style that Reilly and Almstadt settle / have settled on to see us through future manager shifts. (Unless Remi is the new Wenger / Ferguson and decides to stay at Villa Park for a couple of decades.) but that's not the same as saying that they were bought with the express intention that they'd be there waiting for Garde come late October, or that Garde himself helped pick them.
That kind of guff belongs to the lost and not lamented Conspiracy Theories thread.
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Sherwoods reign was like Scooby Doo, started very strongly, dropped off when Scrappy was involved and became unwatchable when the daft redneck one with the White fur turned up.
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This is where my head was and I imagine what Toronto was suggesting may not be too far fetched. I'm not convinced that Remi directly bought players but to label any conversation about a recruitment policy which may have had someone in mind other than Sherwood as completely ridiculous is pretty unfair.
I don't think that anybody is denying that the recruitment policy might have been to benefit a manager other than Sherwood, and I don't think that anybody has labelled that suggestion as ridiculous - that's a mile away though from Rémi Garde 'instigating the French spending spree'.
Which is ridiculous.
I agree, I think I just felt a bit sorry for Eddie and was over zealous in my protection of him...! I certainly don't think Remi instigated the French spending spree. It wouldn't surprise me though if feelers had gone out to him and Fox and co were confident that if the Gillet experiment went tits up after 10 games or so there was a very warm lead waiting in the wings who would happily fit in with the recruitment.
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Can we have a poll?
1. Ridiculous
2. Not ridiculous
3. Back, and to the left
4. Creepy janitor
I think the man on the moon peering into little girls' windows in the John Lewis ad is a creepy janitor but that's another story...
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Can we have a poll?
1. Ridiculous
2. Not ridiculous
3. Back, and to the left
4. Creepy janitor
I think the man on the moon peering into little girls' windows in the John Lewis ad is a creepy janitor but that's another story...
You mean #moonpaedo
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This is where my head was and I imagine what Toronto was suggesting may not be too far fetched. I'm not convinced that Remi directly bought players but to label any conversation about a recruitment policy which may have had someone in mind other than Sherwood as completely ridiculous is pretty unfair.
I don't think that anybody is denying that the recruitment policy might have been to benefit a manager other than Sherwood, and I don't think that anybody has labelled that suggestion as ridiculous - that's a mile away though from Rémi Garde 'instigating the French spending spree'.
Which is ridiculous.
I agree, I think I just felt a bit sorry for Eddie and was over zealous in my protection of him...! I certainly don't think Remi instigated the French spending spree. It wouldn't surprise me though if feelers had gone out to him and Fox and co were confident that if the Gillet experiment went tits up after 10 Ganges or so there was a very warm lead waiting in the wings who would happily fit in with the recruitment.
Oh fuck, not again.
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This is where my head was and I imagine what Toronto was suggesting may not be too far fetched. I'm not convinced that Remi directly bought players but to label any conversation about a recruitment policy which may have had someone in mind other than Sherwood as completely ridiculous is pretty unfair.
I don't think that anybody is denying that the recruitment policy might have been to benefit a manager other than Sherwood, and I don't think that anybody has labelled that suggestion as ridiculous - that's a mile away though from Rémi Garde 'instigating the French spending spree'.
Which is ridiculous.
I agree, I think I just felt a bit sorry for Eddie and was over zealous in my protection of him...! I certainly don't think Remi instigated the French spending spree. It wouldn't surprise me though if feelers had gone out to him and Fox and co were confident that if the Gillet experiment went tits up after 10 Ganges or so there was a very warm lead waiting in the wings who would happily fit in with the recruitment.
Oh fuck, not again.
It's as if people do it on purpose just to set it off.
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I agree, I think I just felt a bit sorry for Eddie and was over zealous in my protection of him...! I certainly don't think Remi instigated the French spending spree. It wouldn't surprise me though if feelers had gone out to him and Fox and co were confident that if the Gillet experiment went tits up after 10 Ganges or so there was a very warm lead waiting in the wings who would happily fit in with the recruitment.
I think it's more likely we were measuring our success by multiple Indian rivers. I think if it'd got as far as 10 Ganges and an Indus, then there really would have been no hope.
An alternative theory could be, much as supporters have clamoured for a more thought out strategy a la Southampton/Swansea, where managers are recruited to fit an uber plan (perhaps even style), where we aren't chucking daft fees & wages at aged not-quite-stars, and even managers can change without having to re-start the project all over, we might have actually done exactly that.
I think Villa in Denmark (and others) already called this. More interestingly was the ViD tantaliser of could Notre Rémi be our Wenger/Ferguson. After my irrational cup final optimism I have learned to pay no heed whatsoever so my villa intuition, but, I do have this very unfamiliar experience happening. I'm not sure, but I think it's called something like hope.
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How about - they were working in a market with which they were familiar, both for players and then a manager?
are you suggesting that we had some kind of plan? That we have now executed, somewhat luckily (or unluckily given our position in the table).
I do happen to think that we moved ahead with our plan irrespective of what Sherwood had in mind. They gave him a couple of wins but ultimately it was this is the direction, live with it. And if it didn't work, then firing him was always an option to help secure part II of the plan.
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This it is working with Arsene Wenger and Arsenal help to influence Tom Fox and Henrik's vision for Villa. Plus Paddy getting those French players. Remi Gande is highly rated and he worked with Wenger and Houllier.
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I've just seen this thread. Eddie I've been thinking the same thing.
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It is one of life's great mysteries, why people try and see conspiracy theories everywhere when the public story is more plausible, and there's no reason to lie anyway.
We sacked Lambert. We brought Sherwood in. He kept us up. We put in place a back office structure. They identified a few French-based transfer targets, and some other targets too. we bought some of these targets. We sacked Sherwood, and brought in a manager to work with the new style of signings.
If Garde had been identified in the summer, why not sack Sherwood then?
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I get the Ganges part but what was the Gillet experiment? Is that a tablet typo for Gillette and a subliminal reference to the creepy janitor? You late night guys leave this place in such shit order.
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I think they way the club now has a sporting director or whatever his title is and Paddy Reilly being very influential with who we sign their plan has always been to bring in a proper, modern coach type happy with working in that sort of system. And let's be honest that type of manager was never going to be English. I think they were sort of lumbered with Sherwood after he did well initially and now they've got someone in who suits their plans.
And we only actually signed 2 French players I think. But even if they'd all been French I still don't think it points to the plan having been "let's sign some French players Sherwood doesn't rate then 3 months into the season sack him and bring in a manager who does even though said manager will be offered another premier league job in the meantime."
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I get the Ganges part but what was the Gillet experiment? Is that a tablet typo for Gillette and a subliminal reference to the creepy janitor? You late night guys leave this place in such shit order.
I'm just disappointed this hasn't led to a massive river/shaving pun-fest.
Shame on the lot of you, sticking to the thread topic and not meandering through its landscape like a cut-throat razor.
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I can understand people finding it difficult to credit this inept board with having a credible plan A never mind a plan B - I'm happy to stay in the minority on this but I'm confident Remis been involved with us for months and that he'll hit the ground running.
Always nice when an occasional posters thread turns into an opportunity for puns, piss taking and back slapping - the Chris Evans Show has got nothing on you lot at times x
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Garde has certainly got the players to gel better than Sherwood did
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I can understand people finding it difficult to credit this inept board with having a credible plan A never mind a plan B - I'm happy to stay in the minority on this but I'm confident Remis been involved with us for months
is there any evidence anyone could provide that would convince you this wasn't the case?
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Always nice when an occasional posters thread turns into an opportunity for puns, piss taking and back slapping - the Chris Evans Show has got nothing on you lot at times x
I wouldn't take it personally - pretty much every thread on here turns into an opportunity for puns, piss taking and back slapping.
It's only because we like you.
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There might be something in what Eddie is purporting to. As soon as news became official about TS's sacking Remi's name was linked heavily with the job. A name out of nowhere unless somebody can tell me otherwise. A bit like the names, Veretout, Ayew, Gana, Amavi came out of nowhere and certainly not Sherwood players.
Sherwood was given his chance which he deserved having achieved what he was employed for but we did have a back up plan with players and manager and the direction we want to go in should we need to. Getting rid of a manager and having a manager in place is a first for Villa. Having a direction regardless of manager is a first for Villa. Gone are the days of, new manager = new (his ) players = new style of play.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Remi always headed the list of potential replacements. Every club with any sense has a list like that these days. I'm also pretty sure that if Hendrik Almstadt had been here in February there'd have been no Sherwood - he seems to have made a big difference to the general way the club thinks about football (i.e. not just vaguely in favour of young players, progressive football etc, but actually curious about how that might be achieved - not sure Sherwood would have been good at answering specific questions).
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There might be something in what Eddie is purporting to. As soon as news became official about TS's sacking Remi's name was linked heavily with the job. A name out of nowhere unless somebody can tell me otherwise. A bit like the names, Veretout, Ayew, Gana, Amavi came out of nowhere and certainly not Sherwood players.
Sherwood was given his chance which he deserved having achieved what he was employed for but we did have a back up plan with players and manager and the direction we want to go in should we need to. Getting rid of a manager and having a manager in place is a first for Villa. Having a direction regardless of manager is a first for Villa. Gone are the days of, new manager = new (his ) players = new style of play.
I'd frame it as Garde being one component of a broader shift in approach which the club was willing to bring in depending on whether or not Sherwood was up for it; as distinguished from a more conspirational notion that all the things we've done since, say, March or whenever it was with a view to setting it all up for Garde in particular to be our manager.
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I doubt if Arsenal haven't had a succession plan for Wenger in place for years and Remi was on their radar during that time. Fox and Almstadt have been aware of him and at some stage saw him as a potential replacement for Sherwood. No plot, no conspiracy, no duplicity, just taking advantage of prior knowledge.
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I doubt if Arsenal haven't had a succession plan for Wenger in place for years and Remi was on their radar during that time. Fox and Almstadt have been aware of him and at some stage saw him as a potential replacement for Sherwood. No plot, no conspiracy, no duplicity, just taking advantage of prior knowledge.
Indeed.
I think it's the fact that the club appear to be operating like a competent, forward thinking unit that's throwing people. People always look for the ridiculous to explain what they can't comprehend, that's why we have religion.
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I think the board have scuppered Timmy's plans. His plan was to be really shit and be bottom of the league by the turn of the year. Then in the second half of the season to be amazing and win everything. You thought we were shit? ... Well we're not. Genius. I'm pretty annoyed at the board for stopping this master plan.
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Can we have a poll?
1. Ridiculous
2. Not ridiculous
3. Back, and to the left
4. Creepy janitor
Surely Remi would be a mild mannered janitor?
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Can we have a poll?
1. Ridiculous
2. Not ridiculous
3. Back, and to the left
4. Creepy janitor
Television has never been the same since they dropped The Golden Shot, they should bring it back.
But not with Bob Monkhouse as compare obv.
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yeah i think Remi was working for French TV in the summer , and was asked by our purchasing comittee if he could reccomend any French players.
When he did they used the moneyball method to see if they were worth purchasing ,,,,and the ones that were ,, the AVFC purchasing committee then purchased them
I also think that when the season started Randy and the board in general hoped Tim Sherwood could work magic with these players ,and there were no plans to change the manager
, but Tim wasnt happy about it so he picked strange starting 11's , strange formations and tactis and used strange subs which resulted in us falling to bottom of the league and Tim getting the sack. ,,Kevin Mcdonald done the same for one match so he should also get the sack.
I also think that it was pure coincidence that on a Sunday Lunchtime when Tim Sherwood got the sack it was only a matter of 2 or 3 hours later that the national media were reporting that Aston Villa want Remi Garde to replace Tim Sherwood
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I think the board have scuppered Timmy's plans. His plan was to be really shit and be bottom of the league by the turn of the year. Then in the second half of the season to be amazing and win everything. You thought we were shit? ... Well we're not. Genius. I'm pretty annoyed at the board for stopping this master plan.
Tim Sherwood was so tuning, the sly old devil, how did we not spot the masterplan?
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I also think that it was pure coincidence that on a Sunday Lunchtime when Tim Sherwood got the sack it was only a matter of 2 or 3 hours later that the national media were reporting that Aston Villa want Remi Garde to replace Tim Sherwood
I have no doubt that they contacted Remi in advance of sacking sherwood. Mainly because they did the exact same when sacking lambert / appointing sherwood, but even more brazenly.
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Conspiracy theory alert:
I always looked upon Sherwood as a short-term impact appointment and it wouldn't surprise me if the Boardroom quietly viewed him in the same way. Sherwood wouldn't have agreed to join us if he wasn't given a long-term contract, however, so my hunch is the club went along with what Sherwood wanted but threw in quite a few clauses to legally cover themselves when the inevitable parting of the ways took place.
Now, if the club was thinking in this way, it could be possible that they consistently had their eyes on a target for the longer term position of manager. Randy is said to be on good terms with Houllier so maybe this factor (along with the insights of the ex-Arsenal people we now have) led all roads to lead to Garde. Garde has said, himself, that he made a promise to his former chairman in Lyon that he would not accept any jobs within a certain time frame which could explain why we did not appoint him before the Summer when we gave Tim the job. All very messy, of course, but needs must. As for the summer signings, if all this was going on behind the scenes, I would say Garde (through a channel like, say, Houllier) just might have had some influence on the thinking of the "Committee"...
The question needs to be raised, though: Is Randy capable of such Machiavellianism? On the evidence of all previous managerial appointments and business decisions I would highly doubt it. We do have a new structure behind the scenes, though, where Tom Fox is now pretty much running the club for Randy. Is it possible Fox could have overseen as complicated an operation as this? Maybe. It's clearly a very different and less honorable approach to what we have seen on the watch of Randy alone but Fox just might be a very different animal to the owner when it comes to matters of business and driving a bargain. I'm with Eddie on this one, I think there is more to it all than immediately meets the eye.
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As a conspiracy it falls down on a couple of things. What if Sherwood was keeping us bobbing about 10th-12th place? And that Remi Garde was just waiting for us to be so shit that he could step in. As much as we all love the Villa I doubt Garde has spent the last 3/4/5 months thinking "the only job I want is the Villa job". What if he had received an offer a couple of months ago of more money, from a club in a much stronger position than us etc?
As has been said before, I think there has been a clear shift in thinking at the club, so we've recruited certain players and when it came to appointing a new manager we had a few names that would fit into that thinking and Garde was one of them. And may well have been clear at the top of the list, but I doubt there's many clubs that don't have a list of managers as a contingency plan if the current manager leaves.
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Yep, it does fall down on that scenario but maybe under those circumstances, the board would have found another reason to get rid. Another area where it falls down is that Garde was in talks with Newcastle in January - although Garde has said he couldn't have joined Newcastle anyway because of his promise to Lyon. Who knows? You look at clubs like Swansea seemingly looking to get rid of Monk and it is clear nothing is straightforward.
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
You're so gullible. Everyone ITK Ks that the art gallery thing in Newcastle is a red herring. Actually it was about a lack of quality tailoring. Which Randy obviously knew. One leaked photo of Charlie N'Zog in his Sunday best and bang: we got our man to Brum.
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
Then there's also the food...very important for a gastronomic connoisseur which I'm sure Remi is. The abundance of high level office space might have had some bearing on it to.
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plus it's a job with oodles of scope for Jean Paul Sartre type existential angst if/when things go tits up
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
Then there's also the food...very important for a gastronomic connoisseur which I'm sure Remi is. The abundance of high level office space might have had some bearing on it to.
It's all falling into place. A devotee of Le Corbusier's purist branch of modernism, Garde felt Madin's work to be lumpen, brash and somewhat uncouth, which is why Birmingham is hastily ridding itself of its Brutalist architecture.
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
I've never heard of this foreign painting, it must be unproven and not worthy a Barber gallery. Why couldn't have they given the spot to a British painting like Going to Work by Lowry?
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I did actually put a comment on here a few weeks ago hinting at this, but then again my real name is David Icke and I think that the world is run by a super race of lizard people.
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
I've never heard of this foreign painting, it must be unproven and not worthy a Barber gallery. Why couldn't have they given the spot to a British painting like Going to Work by Lowry?
While the Lowry has more experience of hanging in British art galleries, the appeal of an Auerbach is that referring to it in casual conversation makes one sound cleverer.
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
I've never heard of this foreign painting, it must be unproven and not worthy a Barber gallery. Why couldn't have they given the spot to a British painting like Going to Work by Lowry?
I suppose that if Neil Buchanan's name was Buchanini he'd get the gig. Makes my torso twist, it does.
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I think Tim Sherwood was being lined up for the Villa job when we bought Alan Hutton from Spurs and he may have had a say when we took Jermaine Jenus on loan
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I think Tim Sherwood was being lined up for the Villa job when we bought Alan Hutton from Spurs and he may have had a say when we took Jermaine Jenus on loan
No, but in fairness he was probably being lined up long before Lambo got the chop
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Sherwoods reign was like Scooby Doo, started very strongly, dropped off when Scrappy was involved and became unwatchable when the daft redneck one with the White fur turned up.
who would scrappy be, Butch Wilkins?
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I reckon Garde's intervention went even further than player acquisition. Now, we all know his decision to snub Newcastle was based a lack of satisfactory art galleries in the north east, and I doubt it's a coincidence that the Barber Institute of Fine Art and Birmingham Museum's Trust have recently acquired work by the Anglo-German figurative painter Frank Auerbach, who once holidayed in France. *winks, taps nose*
I've never heard of this foreign painting, it must be unproven and not worthy a Barber gallery. Why couldn't have they given the spot to a British painting like Going to Work by Lowry?
Lowry was a proper painting man
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I think Tim Sherwood was being lined up for the Villa job when we bought Alan Hutton from Spurs and he may have had a say when we took Jermaine Jenus on loan
No, but in fairness he was probably being lined up long before Lambo got the chop
Did anyone else get that?
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I think Tim Sherwood was being lined up for the Villa job when we bought Alan Hutton from Spurs and he may have had a say when we took Jermaine Jenus on loan
No, but in fairness he was probably being lined up long before Lambo got the chop
Did anyone else get that?
Hutton dressed as Lahm? Right back at ya'.
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I think Tim Sherwood was being lined up for the Villa job when we bought Alan Hutton from Spurs and he may have had a say when we took Jermaine Jenus on loan
No, but in fairness he was probably being lined up long before Lambo got the chop
Did anyone else get that?
Hutton dressed as Lahm? Right back at ya'.
ewe rammed that one home sir
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I think Tim Sherwood was being lined up for the Villa job when we bought Alan Hutton from Spurs and he may have had a say when we took Jermaine Jenus on loan
No, but in fairness he was probably being lined up long before Lambo got the chop
Did anyone else get that?
Hutton dressed as Lahm? Right back at ya'.
ewe rammed that one home sir
Baaa, humbug
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I doubt if Arsenal haven't had a succession plan for Wenger in place for years and Remi was on their radar during that time. Fox and Almstadt have been aware of him and at some stage saw him as a potential replacement for Sherwood. No plot, no conspiracy, no duplicity, just taking advantage of prior knowledge.
Is the right answer. As I said to you when I heard about Garde (Sherwood remained in post for a further week), he was the man identified to take over from Wenger at Arsenal by our ex Arsenal board. That he was available immediately, and a good fit based on the squad we had, sealed the deal.
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Classic fan website conjecture. My heart usually sinks when I here a football presenter utter the immortal words "the opinion on social media is.....
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One man's 'conspiracy' is another man's 'succession planning' I guess.
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Sherwood saying that he didn't buy the players is probably going to add fuel to that fire, I would be very very surprised if that was the case, having said that..Nothing the Villa do would surprise me
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Sherwood saying that he didn't buy the players is probably going to add fuel to that fire, I would be very very surprised if that was the case, having said that..Nothing the Villa do would surprise me
Wasn't Sherwood telling everyone in the summer that it was his personal intervention that persuaded Amavi, Veretout and Gana to sign on the dotted line or did I just imagine it?
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Every single signing mentioned how they'd spoken to Sherwood and been impressed by the way he sold the club to them.
For him to be saying three months later that he had nothing to do with them shows you what a complete prick he was.
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Just to add to the Sherwood is a ****** and a bullshitter theme, I remember reading an article in the summer after we started signing the frenchies with him claiming he had a sort of personal European scout who knows exactly what type of player Dim wants and is on the look out for them. Clearly hinting that this super scout had been monitoring these players for him, nothing mentioned of transfer commitees, haven't a clue who the players are etc. He's just a massive twat in the mould of an O'Leary self absorbed massive twat.
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Sherwood saying that he didn't buy the players is probably going to add fuel to that fire, I would be very very surprised if that was the case, having said that..Nothing the Villa do would surprise me
Wasn't Sherwood telling everyone in the summer that it was his personal intervention that persuaded Amavi, Veretout and Gana to sign on the dotted line or did I just imagine it?
You didn't. He was only to happy to take the credit in the summer. The second it started to go awry he retreated into self-preservation mode.
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Glad the fucker has gone to be honest
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Just to add to the Sherwood is a c*** and a bullshitter theme, I remember reading an article in the summer after we started signing the frenchies with him claiming he had a sort of personal European scout who knows exactly what type of player Dim wants and is on the look out for them. Clearly hinting that this super scout had been monitoring these players for him, nothing mentioned of transfer commitees, haven't a clue who the players are etc. He's just a massive twat in the mould of an O'Leary self absorbed massive twat.
also said he'd been monitoring adama traore for years as well...
sherwood is an absolute chancer. his mates in the media rim him, because he's a good value for a quote here and there.
it's all downhill for sherwood from here.
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to OPR? that would be massively downhill
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It would be for QPR
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Not a chance for me. One of the draw backs of having an owner who no longer wants to be there is that things are made up on the hop. At the time the board were very much behind Sherwood and willing to give him a chance based on the turn round under him last season, but due to the terrible start and no sign of things changing they have changed plans again.
We are using the director of Football system and this is kinda how it works, and France seems the best place right now to get cheap and promising young players. Seems we only got the cheap part right ;) It would be interesting to know if Sherwood played a part in any of the signings though.
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France seems the best place right now to get cheap and promising young players. Seems we only got the cheap part right ;)
£9m for Amavi, £9m for Gueye, £8m for Ayew, £8m for Veretout.
Your idea of cheap differs substantially from mine.
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France seems the best place right now to get cheap and promising young players. Seems we only got the cheap part right ;)
£9m for Amavi, £9m for Gueye, £8m for Ayew, £8m for Veretout.
Your idea of cheap differs substantially from mine.
Fair point, but the market is over priced so in a way those are cheap buys, they now look more experisve because as of yet they haven't produced.
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France seems the best place right now to get cheap and promising young players. Seems we only got the cheap part right ;)
£9m for Amavi, £9m for Gueye, £8m for Ayew, £8m for Veretout.
Your idea of cheap differs substantially from mine.
Fair point, but the market is over priced so in a way those are cheap buys, they now look more experisve because as of yet they haven't produced.
They (along with Adama and Gestede) represented our biggest outlay on transfer fees in one summer in (I think I'm right in saying) our entire history. So even before they had kicked a ball for us, they certainly weren't cheap.
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With the French players, they may have cost a fair amount in transfer fees but wages are a massive difference compared to English players of the same value.