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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kiddylion on November 04, 2015, 12:33:43 PM
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I'm not sure whether to put this on here or in tickets section so please move if needed to.
Does anybody know the reason why we've only started taking the minimum allocation for away games now??
Liverpool 1900 on a Saturday 3pm which sold out 3 weeks before.
Everton 1800 on a Saturday 3pm which sold out 2 weeks ago & now Southampton only 1700.
As poor as we are we'd always take 2500/3000 wherever if it's a Saturday 3pm game.
If there worried about losing a few grand on unsold tickets isn't that what part of the 200k each club gets was set up for???
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Practice for the Championship season innit ;-)
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It's odd. We are responsible for an additional allocated tickets we don't sell, but we sold out at Everton last season and equally, we took just shy of 3000 before Christmas at Southampton a year or two back.
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Poor decisions from the club/ticket office, Everton actually sold out around 4 weeks in advance, so shifting another 1000 wouldn't have been too much trouble you'd think.
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Yes - I have raised it on the tickets thread. Seems the club are either trying to minimize cost risk or haven't a clue on their own fans - I think it is a bit of both. We need everyone pulling together to get out of this mess and the fans will I'm sure be well up for it.
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It's really frustrating, especially as I know a few non ST holders who fancied going to Everton. Surely the fact we sold the initial allocation so early suggests we'd have sold plenty more.
The really strange thing is that Everton won't sell out anyway which makes it even worse. You can kind of understand it at say Chelsea or Liverpool, where the home club would be able to get rid of the tickets to home fans, however I very much doubt there's hordes of Evertonians queuing up to get their hands on our unsold tickets.
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Ive rang the ticket office regarding this, its entirely down to Head of Consumer sales Nicola Keys.
The argument is it went down to General sale.. it was like knocking my head against the wall.
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Assuming the number of season tickets isn't over 20,000 is it any surprise they go to general sale? Lack of understanding of their consumer, not great.
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its all down to penny pinching
the extra support could push the team to winning and getting the 3 points
without it we face relegation and loosing a 100 million pounds in sky money
for starters
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That is one to bring to the attention of the Trust if you haven't already done so.
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the club is happy to spunk 25 million on nzog but wont take an extra 1000 tickets in case they cant sell them.
nothing like getting your priorities right
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Are we still running the Away Scheme?
If we are, and, for arguments sake, there are 4000 members, surely that would give the club an indication.
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We're Aston Villa, not Wigan or West Brom. The ticket office need to start realising that.
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The Trust have brought this to the attention of the club. The response was a bit of a fob off in my opinion. Lots of flannel about only getting so many on sale or return and using historical data to decide whether to take a larger allocation.
In theory fine but what data are they using that suggests we couldn't shift 3000 at Everton on a Saturday afternoon?
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I am sure they could shift them with some targeted promotion.
To be honest I assumed that all away games are sold out so do not typically look, but a post on here or the Facebook page and I'm sure the extra tickets could be shifted to lazy folk like me.
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I posted my general thoughts on away allocations on the tickets thread. It pisses me off enormously that we don't take bigger allocations. I can understand it at places like Chelsea where tickets cost a billion pounds and we probably wouldn't sell out a maximum allocation, but do they seriously under 2k tickets is sufficient to places like Everton and Southampton for games that kick off a 3.00 on a Saturday?
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We have a sum of money set aside to encourage away support so why not use it to give games like this a little push.
If the availability is either 1500 or 3000 for example, and the club reckon we'd only shift iro 2200, then use the away fund to boost it to nearer the 3000 mark, rather than just give up and take the 1500.
subsidised tickets and free coaches can be used for people to remember how good a Saturday afternoon away trip can be, rather than just to try & boost our support for the more difficult night matches at Crystal Palace as we do at the moment.
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Every game for us now is massive. I'd like think that the club recognise this (I know they do), therefore we need as much vocal support as we can possibly get. We should therefore do all we can to get as many fans to games as we can - if this means a bit of financial support then so be it.
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Although the situation is far from ideal, I have been thinking about this from the club's perspective. If we took the full allocation for Everton and ended up with, say, 500 unsold then the club would have to cough up the thick end of £20k. Now, that's £20k out of Villa's coffers into theirs. Basically, giving money to a direct competitor for nothing. Over five or six games that's potentially a six figure amount.
It's easy to say the club can afford to swallow the cost and justify it against the exorbitant amounts we've pissed up the wall on crappy players and crappy managers. But why should they? If we can't make money on our own unsold seats then why should other clubs make money on the ones we can't sell?
There is clearly more demand than tickets available as I am pretty sure we've sold out all our aways this season but how we can identify the extent of the demand, I don't know and as I recall the allocation is either the minimum or the maximum and very little room for manouvre in between. I'd be interested to know what the trigger point is for additional tickets being requested. I'm sure it would be partly based on the speed at which the initial allocation is sold. I'd also be interested in how many people are put off by the sold out and do nothing more about it than grumble about it and the club never gets to know that there is additional demand.
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The Trust have brought this to the attention of the club. The response was a bit of a fob off in my opinion. Lots of flannel about only getting so many on sale or return and using historical data to decide whether to take a larger allocation.
In theory fine but what data are they using that suggests we couldn't shift 3000 at Everton on a Saturday afternoon?
Exactly ,,,,,,,,what data
Here is some data they could use
We sold over 3000 tickets for Everton Away 12 months ago
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The Trust have brought this to the attention of the club. The response was a bit of a fob off in my opinion. Lots of flannel about only getting so many on sale or return and using historical data to decide whether to take a larger allocation.
In theory fine but what data are they using that suggests we couldn't shift 3000 at Everton on a Saturday afternoon?
Exactly ,,,,,,,,what data
Here is some data they could use
We sold over 300 tickets for Everton Away 12 months ago
In before the edit.
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Just out of interest, do we charge away teams for unsold seats? I'm guessing not as let's be honest they wouldn't be needed by Villa fans regardless of how many the away team brings (99% of the time).
If that's the case then aren't Everton taking the piss a bit? As they won't sell out against us. I'm guessing they average around 35k in a 40k stadium?
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Just out of interest, do we charge away teams for unsold seats? I'm guessing not as let's be honest they wouldn't be needed by Villa fans regardless of how many the away team brings (99% of the time).
If that's the case then aren't Everton taking the piss a bit? As they won't sell out against us. I'm guessing they average around 35k in a 40k stadium?
Everton are currently averaging 38,611 in a 40k stadium so selling out most games so far. However, of their 6 home games 4 have been their biggest of the season: Liverpool, Man U, Man City and Chelsea. I don't expect them to sell out against us, probably be closer to the attendance they had v Sunderland in their last home game (36.5k).
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Just out of interest, do we charge away teams for unsold seats? I'm guessing not as let's be honest they wouldn't be needed by Villa fans regardless of how many the away team brings (99% of the time).
If that's the case then aren't Everton taking the piss a bit? As they won't sell out against us. I'm guessing they average around 35k in a 40k stadium?
We would do, yes. The rules as I understand them which apply to the entire league are that you won't be charged for any unsold tickets if you only take the minimum allocation, but if you take the full allocation, any unsold tickets must be paid for.
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well if the worst comes to the worst and we do go down
at least we should get bigger away allocations next season
tomorrow blues are taking 4 thousand to Fulham
although in the case of walsall away for example
it wont be a case of taking thousands there like we do for pre season friendlies
it will be a case of small ground ,,,,,,,small away allocation
as was the case for Bournemouth this season ,,,,,
hot summers day in August ,,,,,,,we could have filled the ground with Villa fans
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The Trust have brought this to the attention of the club. The response was a bit of a fob off in my opinion. Lots of flannel about only getting so many on sale or return and using historical data to decide whether to take a larger allocation.
In theory fine but what data are they using that suggests we couldn't shift 3000 at Everton on a Saturday afternoon?
Exactly ,,,,,,,,what data
Here is some data they could use
We sold over 300 tickets for Everton Away 12 months ago
In before the edit.
It's a whopper alright.
Meanwhile, there's always money for mosques.
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The Trust have brought this to the attention of the club. The response was a bit of a fob off in my opinion. Lots of flannel about only getting so many on sale or return and using historical data to decide whether to take a larger allocation.
In theory fine but what data are they using that suggests we couldn't shift 3000 at Everton on a Saturday afternoon?
Exactly ,,,,,,,,what data
Here is some data they could use
We sold over 300 tickets for Everton Away 12 months ago
In before the edit.
It's a whopper alright.
Meanwhile, there's always money for mosques.
not in dudley
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The Trust have brought this to the attention of the club. The response was a bit of a fob off in my opinion. Lots of flannel about only getting so many on sale or return and using historical data to decide whether to take a larger allocation.
In theory fine but what data are they using that suggests we couldn't shift 3000 at Everton on a Saturday afternoon?
Exactly ,,,,,,,,what data
Here is some data they could use
We sold over 300 tickets for Everton Away 12 months ago
In before the edit.
It's a whopper alright.
Meanwhile, there's always money for mosques.
not in dudley
Letting off the party poppers were you?
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The Trust have brought this to the attention of the club. The response was a bit of a fob off in my opinion. Lots of flannel about only getting so many on sale or return and using historical data to decide whether to take a larger allocation.
In theory fine but what data are they using that suggests we couldn't shift 3000 at Everton on a Saturday afternoon?
Exactly ,,,,,,,,what data
Here is some data they could use
We sold over 300 tickets for Everton Away 12 months ago
In before the edit.
It's a whopper alright.
Meanwhile, there's always money for mosques.
not in dudley
Letting off the party poppers were you?
i couldnt get a ticket
anyway if anyone going to Everton and cant make it i am prepared to buy your ticket off you at almost the full price you paid
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I see Ruskin Hall is closed but the mosque next door is open. Why couldn't the mosque build another mosque on the site AND show the away games. What's it all about?
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I see Ruskin Hall is closed but the mosque next door is open. Why couldn't the mosque build another mosque on the site AND show the away games. What's it all about?
the bass
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I see Ruskin Hall is closed but the mosque next door is open. Why couldn't the mosque build another mosque on the site AND show the away games. What's it all about?
I agree. Why don't the Government just allocate some of the NHS budget to pay for it? I'll be most upset if it turns out there's not always money for a mosque.
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I see Ruskin Hall is closed but the mosque next door is open. Why couldn't the mosque build another mosque on the site AND show the away games. What's it all about?
I agree. Why don't the Government just allocate some of the NHS budget to pay for it? I'll be most upset if it turns out there's not always money for a mosque.
you watch too much citizen khan
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well if the worst comes to the worst and we do go down
at least we should get bigger away allocations next season
tomorrow blues are taking 4 thousand to Fulham
although in the case of walsall away for example
it wont be a case of taking thousands there like we do for pre season friendlies
it will be a case of small ground ,,,,,,,small away allocation
as was the case for Bournemouth this season ,,,,,
hot summers day in August ,,,,,,,we could have filled the ground with Villa fans
I doubt they took that many, mate.
They normally struggle to take 1000.
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well if the worst comes to the worst and we do go down
at least we should get bigger away allocations next season
tomorrow blues are taking 4 thousand to Fulham
although in the case of walsall away for example
it wont be a case of taking thousands there like we do for pre season friendlies
it will be a case of small ground ,,,,,,,small away allocation
as was the case for Bournemouth this season ,,,,,
hot summers day in August ,,,,,,,we could have filled the ground with Villa fans
I doubt they took that many, mate.
They normally struggle to take 1000.
Every so often they pick a match to take a big following to, to create the pretence that they are a big club. A nose at work yesterday told about this 4,000 lark, I said 'you'll be back to your normal 300 in a couple of weeks', and reminded him of the 15,000 crowd they got at home in the week.
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I saw their goals this morning. It didn't look as if there were 4,000 behind that goal.
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Yeah Clampy but you forgot the 5 thousand in the Fulham end and the 10 thousand that were locked out, their a massive crew you know anit.
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Yeah Clampy but you forgot the 5 thousand in the Fulham end and the 10 thousand that were locked out, their a massive crew you know anit.
They had two thousand stuck on the other side of the river.
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Yeah Clampy but you forgot the 5 thousand in the Fulham end and the 10 thousand that were locked out, their a massive crew you know anit.
They had two thousand stuck on the other side of the river.
...and the quest for Sherlock Street continues...
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Yeah the River Rae
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I saw their goals this morning. It didn't look as if there were 4,000 behind that goal.
I've checked with a couple of Fulham season ticket holders (who despise blues) they said they'd sold 4000 and sung about us for the whole of the match.
I told them to go and have a bath in Vim and try and forget all about the horrid affair.
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I saw their goals this morning. It didn't look as if there were 4,000 behind that goal.
I've checked with a couple of Fulham season ticket holders (who despise blues) they said they'd sold 4000 and sung about us for the whole of the match.
I told them to go and have a bath in Vim and try and forget all about the horrid affair.
i seen davos diary and they sung keep right on twice
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As fans we need to start buying the away tickets quicker to force the ticket office into taking the extra allocations. Everton we're only taking 1800, Southampton we've got an initial 1700 which will sell out but knowing our ticket office they'll say they didn't sell out quickly enough, Newcastle we've got an initial 1600 and same again it will sell out but probably not quickly enough for our ridiculous ticket office. They're making us look small time, everyone will see us only take 1800 to Everton and will think we're on par with tinpot teams like West Brom. Even Watford took 3000 up there. They're also robbing the team of 1200 extra voices supporting them.
We've got Norwich just after Christmas, when everyone is off work and lots will fancy going. The ticket office will take the 1400 allocation, nailed on.
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As fans we need to start buying the away tickets quicker to force the ticket office into taking the extra allocations. Everton we're only taking 1800, Southampton we've got an initial 1700 which will sell out but knowing our ticket office they'll say they didn't sell out quickly enough, Newcastle we've got an initial 1600 and same again it will sell out but probably not quickly enough for our ridiculous ticket office. They're making us look small time, everyone will see us only take 1800 to Everton and will think we're on par with tinpot teams like West Brom. Even Watford took 3000 up there. They're also robbing the team of 1200 extra voices supporting them.
We've got Norwich just after Christmas, when everyone is off work and lots will fancy going. The ticket office will take the 1400 allocation, nailed on.
They did sell out very quickly for Everton away,,,,,,went down to season ticket holders with 4 / 5 away games i think
last season it went to general sale and we took double the 1800 amount
why didnt they use that historical data
they dont want our away support and sing in the lower holte and you get ejected and season ticket withdrawn
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As fans we need to start buying the away tickets quicker to force the ticket office into taking the extra allocations. Everton we're only taking 1800, Southampton we've got an initial 1700 which will sell out but knowing our ticket office they'll say they didn't sell out quickly enough, Newcastle we've got an initial 1600 and same again it will sell out but probably not quickly enough for our ridiculous ticket office. They're making us look small time, everyone will see us only take 1800 to Everton and will think we're on par with tinpot teams like West Brom. Even Watford took 3000 up there. They're also robbing the team of 1200 extra voices supporting them.
We've got Norwich just after Christmas, when everyone is off work and lots will fancy going. The ticket office will take the 1400 allocation, nailed on.
They did sell out very quickly for Everton away,,,,,,went down to season ticket holders with 4 / 5 away games i think
last season it went to general sale and we took double the 1800 amount
why didnt they use that historical data
they dont want our away support and sing in the lower holte and you get ejected and season ticket withdrawn
What makes you think they don't want our away support and you don't get ejected for singing in the holte at all.
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I note with interest that our local newspaper has conducted a poll on our club's handling of BrigadaGate and that a whopping 60% of respondents have come out in favour of the drum beating flag wavers.
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I note with interest that our local newspaper has conducted a poll on our club's handling of BrigadaGate and that a whopping 60% of respondents have come out in favour of the drum beating flag wavers.
Which makes me wonder why, if they're so popular, they have no more members now than when they started. And in saying that, I also know that if they had 3,000 standing with them instead of 30 the argument wouldn't exist.
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Their row with the club has been that the club haven't allowed others to join them.
There were empty seats in their previous position in L8 which fans were not allowed to buy season tickets for, nor 'migrate' to. That is why they moved to the front of L7 without informing the club, and we have reached the current impasse.
The club may feel they have good reasons for their actions, but it would be unfair to hold Brigada's lack of growth against them in these circumstances.
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Their row with the club has been that the club haven't allowed others to join them.
There were empty seats in their previous position in L8 which fans were not allowed to buy season tickets for, nor 'migrate' to. That is why they moved to the front of L7 without informing the club, and we have reached the current impasse.
The club may feel they have good reasons for their actions, but it would be unfair to hold Brigada's lack of growth against them in these circumstances.
Despite moving, their numbers don't seem to have increased.
They should have stayed where they were and tried to engage in dialogue with the club (they might have, who knows) instead of moving to the front of a block where they knew they wouldn't be able to stand up in.
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Their row with the club has been that the club haven't allowed others to join them.
There were empty seats in their previous position in L8 which fans were not allowed to buy season tickets for, nor 'migrate' to. That is why they moved to the front of L7 without informing the club, and we have reached the current impasse.
The club may feel they have good reasons for their actions, but it would be unfair to hold Brigada's lack of growth against them in these circumstances.
Despite moving, their numbers don't seem to have increased.
They should have stayed where they were and tried to engage in dialogue with the club (they might have, who knows) instead of moving to the front of a block where they knew they wouldn't be able to stand up in.
The block the club said was the designated singing section?
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As fans we need to start buying the away tickets quicker to force the ticket office into taking the extra allocations. Everton we're only taking 1800, Southampton we've got an initial 1700 which will sell out but knowing our ticket office they'll say they didn't sell out quickly enough, Newcastle we've got an initial 1600 and same again it will sell out but probably not quickly enough for our ridiculous ticket office. They're making us look small time, everyone will see us only take 1800 to Everton and will think we're on par with tinpot teams like West Brom. Even Watford took 3000 up there. They're also robbing the team of 1200 extra voices supporting them.
We've got Norwich just after Christmas, when everyone is off work and lots will fancy going. The ticket office will take the 1400 allocation, nailed on.
They did sell out very quickly for Everton away,,,,,,went down to season ticket holders with 4 / 5 away games i think
last season it went to general sale and we took double the 1800 amount
why didnt they use that historical data
they dont want our away support and sing in the lower holte and you get ejected and season ticket withdrawn
What makes you think they don't want our away support and you don't get ejected for singing in the holte at all.
this season they are only talking the minimum allocation of away tickets when they could easily sell the maximum
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As fans we need to start buying the away tickets quicker to force the ticket office into taking the extra allocations. Everton we're only taking 1800, Southampton we've got an initial 1700 which will sell out but knowing our ticket office they'll say they didn't sell out quickly enough, Newcastle we've got an initial 1600 and same again it will sell out but probably not quickly enough for our ridiculous ticket office. They're making us look small time, everyone will see us only take 1800 to Everton and will think we're on par with tinpot teams like West Brom. Even Watford took 3000 up there. They're also robbing the team of 1200 extra voices supporting them.
We've got Norwich just after Christmas, when everyone is off work and lots will fancy going. The ticket office will take the 1400 allocation, nailed on.
They did sell out very quickly for Everton away,,,,,,went down to season ticket holders with 4 / 5 away games i think
last season it went to general sale and we took double the 1800 amount
why didnt they use that historical data
they dont want our away support and sing in the lower holte and you get ejected and season ticket withdrawn
What makes you think they don't want our away support and you don't get ejected for singing in the holte at all.
this season they are only talking the minimum allocation of away tickets when they could easily sell the maximum
You'll have to ask the club why they're doing that instead of just saying 'they don't want out away support'. If that was the case, 3,000 wouldn't have gone to Southampton on a Tuesday night.
I think how it works is, if we take a second allocation and we don't sell all the tickets, then we have to foot the bill for the one's we don't sell.
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But we would have sold Everton without issue as we always do when they take the second allocation. They'd have had a month to shift 1100.
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As fans we need to start buying the away tickets quicker to force the ticket office into taking the extra allocations. Everton we're only taking 1800, Southampton we've got an initial 1700 which will sell out but knowing our ticket office they'll say they didn't sell out quickly enough, Newcastle we've got an initial 1600 and same again it will sell out but probably not quickly enough for our ridiculous ticket office. They're making us look small time, everyone will see us only take 1800 to Everton and will think we're on par with tinpot teams like West Brom. Even Watford took 3000 up there. They're also robbing the team of 1200 extra voices supporting them.
We've got Norwich just after Christmas, when everyone is off work and lots will fancy going. The ticket office will take the 1400 allocation, nailed on.
They did sell out very quickly for Everton away,,,,,,went down to season ticket holders with 4 / 5 away games i think
last season it went to general sale and we took double the 1800 amount
why didnt they use that historical data
they dont want our away support and sing in the lower holte and you get ejected and season ticket withdrawn
What makes you think they don't want our away support and you don't get ejected for singing in the holte at all.
this season they are only talking the minimum allocation of away tickets when they could easily sell the maximum
You'll have to ask the club why they're doing that instead of just saying 'they don't want out away support'. If that was the case, 3,000 wouldn't have gone to Southampton on a Tuesday night.
I think how it works is, if we take a second allocation and we don't sell all the tickets, then we have to foot the bill for the one's we don't sell.
obviously , everyone knows how it works ,,,,,and with the historical data from Everton away last season they would have known we would have sold the bigger or 2nd allocation
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, for Southampton away in the League on a Saturday at 3pm we have only 1700 tickets
other clubs ask for the full 3 thousand
AVFC know we could sell 3000 but they dont want us there
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The Southampton cup game was also in half-term holiday and there were more youngsters there than usual, which was great.
Disappointed if we're only taking first allocations from now on...our away support is consistently better than most clubs and those who can't make every game/don't qualify are going to miss out on what can be a truly wonderful experience.
And I would have thought that more than usual would have wanted to go to get behind "Remi Garde's Aston Villa".
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
You said they don't want us there, which is a long way from turning down a second allocation which we quite likely wouldn't sell and would cost a lot more than a few hundred pounds.
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
You said they don't want us there, which is a long way from turning down a second allocation which we quite likely wouldn't sell and would cost a lot more than a few hundred pounds.
if they was that bothered about having a good turnout of villa fans at away matches they would take the full allocations using the historical data,
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Yeah Clampy but you forgot the 5 thousand in the Fulham end and the 10 thousand that were locked out, their a massive crew you know anit.
and the 20 000 permanently camped in the Holte End.
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
You said they don't want us there, which is a long way from turning down a second allocation which we quite likely wouldn't sell and would cost a lot more than a few hundred pounds.
All I can think if are policing and stewarding costs. But aren't the former already decided and latter a moot point given the size of away following anyway? There will be an increase in staff for foodstuffs also and the increase in catering itself. But again, we don't get charged for the initial allocation why would we be charged for extra allocation when a healthy portion if that would be sold?
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
You said they don't want us there, which is a long way from turning down a second allocation which we quite likely wouldn't sell and would cost a lot more than a few hundred pounds.
if they was that bothered about having a good turnout of villa fans at away matches they would take the full allocations using the historical data,
As said above, you'll have to ask them why they don't rather than saying they don't want supporters.
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Yeah Clampy but you forgot the 5 thousand in the Fulham end and the 10 thousand that were locked out, their a massive crew you know anit.
and the 20 000 permanently camped in the Holte End.
and the 40 000 who went to wembley for the leyland daf cup final
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That lot are still in Bruges
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
You said they don't want us there, which is a long way from turning down a second allocation which we quite likely wouldn't sell and would cost a lot more than a few hundred pounds.
All I can think if are policing and stewarding costs. But aren't the former already decided and latter a moot point given the size of away following anyway? There will be an increase in staff for foodstuffs also and the increase in catering itself. But again, we don't get charged for the initial allocation why would we be charged for extra allocation when a healthy portion if that would be sold?
You have to pay for unsold tickets in the second allocation.
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But what is the cost covering? Its not because of empty seats alone as they wouldn't be filled by home supporters. It can't be just the cost of printing. So unless there's an agreed fixed penalty I'm not sure what the penalty is for.
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
You said they don't want us there, which is a long way from turning down a second allocation which we quite likely wouldn't sell and would cost a lot more than a few hundred pounds.
All I can think if are policing and stewarding costs. But aren't the former already decided and latter a moot point given the size of away following anyway? There will be an increase in staff for foodstuffs also and the increase in catering itself. But again, we don't get charged for the initial allocation why would we be charged for extra allocation when a healthy portion if that would be sold?
You have to pay for unsold tickets in the second allocation.
if they are unsold ,,, but they wouldnt be if they used the historical data ,,,,,,the extra support could push the team to the 3 points that keeps us in this division ,,,,,go down and the cost saved by not having unsold tickets would be minimal compared to what the club looses by relegation. ,,, i feel totally alianted by the club ,,,i go to all the home games but not the midweek one because of work and i really wanted to go to everton and southampton ,,,,,,,i would have loved singing Southamptons a shit hole i wanna go home as soon as i got there and then get pissed in a pub, and miss the start of the match and spend half an hour downstairs at half time
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The first batch of tickets are on sale or return. Anything after then Villa are billed for the full cost of that allocation whether it is sold or not.
So, for example, you get 1500 on sale or return. Once those have gone, you have to take the other 1500 at full price.
Therefore, regardless of whether Villa sell them, the other club bills us for 1500 tickets at say £50 a go. £75000 in total for the extra seats
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I would imagine there's a few other factors when it comes to projected away ticket sales other than 'we sold out last time we played there'. Time of year springs to mind, for example.
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Time of year. Day played. Kick off time. I still haven't seen a credible reason for not taking the full allocation at Everton mind.
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As with Brigada the club remains detached from the fanbase. If they took the extra 1500 tickets they would probably be sold. If not all of them then the vast majority. The chance of them taking the 1500 tickets and none being sold is about as likely as the shit winning winning the Champions league. The club desperately needs as many fans getting behind the boys as possible now but don't seem able to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Randy Lerner started off fantastically well with free travel etc but seems to have completely lost the plot. Someone needs to sort this situation out AND QUICK. I urge the club to talk to the fans representatives as a matter of urgency before it's too bloody late.
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I would imagine there's a few other factors when it comes to projected away ticket sales other than 'we sold out last time we played there'. Time of year springs to mind, for example.
we had everton away this time last year and sold out the big 2nd allocation
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We are talking to them! It is just a little fractious at the moment after the Trust had a pop over Sherwood!
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The Brigada thing is getting too much attention as far as I am concerned as well. The Trust will try to build bridges but there needs to be some give on both sides. The club aren't the bad guy in all of this. If they were, I would kick them.
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Whatever reason would there be for not wanting our supporters to watch us?
god knows ,,,maybe they are worried about loosing a few hundred quid by not selling out
but it could cost them a hundred million pounds for starters
You said they don't want us there, which is a long way from turning down a second allocation which we quite likely wouldn't sell and would cost a lot more than a few hundred pounds.
All I can think if are policing and stewarding costs. But aren't the former already decided and latter a moot point given the size of away following anyway? There will be an increase in staff for foodstuffs also and the increase in catering itself. But again, we don't get charged for the initial allocation why would we be charged for extra allocation when a healthy portion if that would be sold?
You have to pay for unsold tickets in the second allocation.
if they are unsold ,,, but they wouldnt be if they used the historical data ,,,,,,the extra support could push the team to the 3 points that keeps us in this division ,,,,,go down and the cost saved by not having unsold tickets would be minimal compared to what the club looses by relegation. ,,, i feel totally alianted by the club ,,,i go to all the home games but not the midweek one because of work and i really wanted to go to everton and southampton ,,,,,,,i would have loved singing Southamptons a shit hole i wanna go home as soon as i got there and then get pissed in a pub, and miss the start of the match and spend half an hour downstairs at half time
I don't mean to be rude, but 'I feel totally alienated by the club' just because you couldn't get a ticket for an away game is a tad over the top.
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Time of year. Day played. Kick off time. I still haven't seen a credible reason for not taking the full allocation at Everton mind.
Cost of ticket, cost of public transport, weather projections possibly, historical data of away attendances at this time of year. Is there a historical declining trend in away attendances running up to crimbo?
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Just out of interest, can anyone enlighten us as to whether we've had an instance in recent times of the Club taking the additional allocation and then failing to flog most of them?
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Time of year. Day played. Kick off time. I still haven't seen a credible reason for not taking the full allocation at Everton mind.
Cost of ticket, cost of public transport, weather projections possibly, historical data of away attendances at this time of year. Is there a historical declining trend in away attendances running up to crimbo?
There is no historical data of us not selling Everton away at 3pm on a Saturday since we invented the league!
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Time of year. Day played. Kick off time. I still haven't seen a credible reason for not taking the full allocation at Everton mind.
Cost of ticket, cost of public transport, weather projections possibly, historical data of away attendances at this time of year. Is there a historical declining trend in away attendances running up to crimbo?
There is no historical data of us not selling Everton away at 3pm on a Saturday since we invented the league!
If that's the case then it's right to question the decision.
I have a ticket for this one (thanks mate, you know who you are) but Joe of this parish suggested we may struggle for tix at Everton because we didn't sell out Liverpool.
Pretty sound analysis in the end.
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The only explanation is that Nicola Keye was busy fielding questions about pies to realise they'd forgot to take the second option, despite all evidence and logic to the contrary.
It's like Southampton. We've sold out every time we've been since they've come up (and since I've been following us away for that matter), including Wednesday nights in December, yet we've only taken 1700.
We take 2400 to Newcatle last season yet we've only taken 1600.
Small time and idiotic.
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The only explanation is that Nicola Keye was busy fielding questions about pies to realise they'd forgot to take the second option, despite all evidence and logic to the contrary.
It's like Southampton. We've sold out every time we've been since they've come up (and since I've been following us away for that matter), including Wednesday nights in December, yet we've only taken 1700.
We take 2400 to Newcatle last season yet we've only taken 1600.
Small time and idiotic.
Newcastle is at 5.30 and on the tellybox.
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And less than a week before Christmas. That one makes sense to take a smaller allocation, Everton seems a weird one though.
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Just out of interest, can anyone enlighten us as to whether we've had an instance in recent times of the Club taking the additional allocation and then failing to flog most of them?
a very good question, I think h&v need a man on the inside at villa park to answer quite a lot of the business related questions of our beloved
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There's been a couple of times we haven't taken or haven't been given upstairs at Everton, which is a shame. Downstairs is not the best. We're on row 5 next week so we probably won't see feck all.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
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Just out of interest, can anyone enlighten us as to whether we've had an instance in recent times of the Club taking the additional allocation and then failing to flog most of them?
dont know but for various reasons some Villa fans dont go down any more ,,,,,,or only go occasionally ,,,,like when on the rare occasion they are able to purchase a ticket for an away match that has gone to general sale
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
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By comparing us to the greatest example of reckless spending in history.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
What?
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
What?
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
What?
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
I think what you're trying to say is that coaches have to buy their own coats to wear on the training ground and on a match day. Is that correct?
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
What?
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
I think what you're trying to say is that coaches have to buy their own coats to wear on the training ground and on a match day. Is that correct?
i didnt say it ,,,,,,,it was one of the examples the other poster gave about getting penny pinched out of existence
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And with respect to the poster, how credible is it that Gordon Cowans has to pay for his own kit?
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
What?
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
I think what you're trying to say is that coaches have to buy their own coats to wear on the training ground and on a match day. Is that correct?
i didnt say it ,,,,,,,it was one of the examples the other poster gave about getting penny pinched out of existence
But you've just repeated it so you must believe it. Sounds nonsense to me.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
That's not what he said though. It was a crazy comment just because we're not taking the full allocation to some games.
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
What?
and because coaches have to buy their own coats
I think what you're trying to say is that coaches have to buy their own coats to wear on the training ground and on a match day. Is that correct?
i didnt say it ,,,,,,,it was one of the examples the other poster gave about getting penny pinched out of existence
But you've just repeated it so you must believe it. Sounds nonsense to me.
I dont believe we will get penny pinched out of existence because of the price of coats
I only repeated it because you said what
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
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What have the price of goats got to do with our away allocation?
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
But you said that you didn't think it would 'penny pinch us out of existence' so why bring it up at all? It's all utter crap anyway.
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
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What have the price of goats got to do with our away allocation?
I think the club are using goats to keep the grass down at BH as part of the cutbacks and the person in charge of procuring second tranche away allocations has been redeployed as a goatherd.
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Then why bring it up if you didn't believe it yourself?
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Life's too short...
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Then why bring it up if you didn't believe it yourself?
i didnt bring it up ,,,,,i mentioned it because someone else mentioned it
that doesnt mean i believe it
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Then why bring it up if you didn't believe it yourself?
i didnt bring it up
It must have been another Conman then. Maybe he hacked your account?
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Then why bring it up if you didn't believe it yourself?
i didnt bring it up
It must have been another Conman then. Maybe he hacked your account?
or maybe the edge was the one that brought it up and i just mentioned it
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Then why bring it up if you didn't believe it yourself?
i didnt bring it up
It must have been another Conman then. Maybe he hacked your account?
or maybe the edge was the one that brought it up and i just mentioned it
So, you mentioned it but you didn't bring it up again? Ahhh, ok, clear as mud. We'll leave it there before you the hole you're digging get's bigger.
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Then why bring it up if you didn't believe it yourself?
i didnt bring it up
It must have been another Conman then. Maybe he hacked your account?
or maybe the edge was the one that brought it up and i just mentioned it
So, you mentioned it but you didn't bring it up again? Ahhh, ok, clear as mud. We'll leave it there before you the hole you're digging get's bigger.
yes i mentioned it ,, after someone else bought it up ,,, but that doesnt mean i bought it up in the first place ,,,,,,,,,or believe it
glad we got there in the end
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Then why mention it at all then if it was irrelevant and you didn't think anything of it?
i didnt say it was irrelevant or relevant, i mentioned it as the edge mentioned it was another reason the edge gave to penny pinching out of existence / doing a leeds and not taking full allocations
If you mentioned it then you believe it and think it relevant, otherwise why mention it?
it doesnt mean anyone believes anything just because they mention what someone else mentions
Then why bring it up if you didn't believe it yourself?
i didnt bring it up
It must have been another Conman then. Maybe he hacked your account?
or maybe the edge was the one that brought it up and i just mentioned it
So, you mentioned it but you didn't bring it up again? Ahhh, ok, clear as mud. We'll leave it there before you the hole you're digging get's bigger.
yes i mentioned it ,, after someone else bought it up ,,, but that doesnt mean i bought it up in the first place ,,,,,,,,,or believe it
glad we got there in the end
Ah, erm ok.
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Please stop this quotathon. My eyes are sore
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What this thread needs are more commas
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So who brought it up
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That multi quoting looks ace on my phone
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It looks like the 1987-88/88-89 away kit on my phone.
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Cd- scroll through it really fast. Looks like the storm troopers are attacking. My take LSD and watch it.
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Is someone selling coats? I need a coat.
Getting cold.
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Go online mate. Get everything online. Internet's great. Might need to try the coat on though which I'd recommend. Although I'm currently walking through Beckenham with just a jumper on.
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Is someone selling coats? I need a coat.
Getting cold.
no , goats
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
Fair enough. Penny pinching us out of existence was OTT. Out of the the premier league is what I actually meant.
My point was aimed at the clubs policy of not taking up the extra allocation just because they might end up being out of pocket with a few unsold tickets. That is penny pinching and short sighted at a time when the team needs all the help and support we can give them.
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You know sometimes things can be over analysed. Nothing malicious has happened, the reason why we haven't taken the full allocation is simple: The person who runs the ticket office isn't very good at the job.
I've been to pretty much every Villa game at Everton since 1983 and I can only draw that conclusion.
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
Fair enough. Penny pinching us out of existence was OTT. Out of the the premier league is what I actually meant.
My point was aimed at the clubs policy of not taking up the extra allocation just because they might end up being out of pocket with a few unsold tickets. That is penny pinching and short sighted at a time when the team needs all the help and support we can give them.
well said the edge
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
Fair enough. Penny pinching us out of existence was OTT. Out of the the premier league is what I actually meant.
My point was aimed at the clubs policy of not taking up the extra allocation just because they might end up being out of pocket with a few unsold tickets. That is penny pinching and short sighted at a time when the team needs all the help and support we can give them.
well said the edge
Shouldn't that be 'well said the edge,,,,,,,,,'?
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yes
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Randy Lerner is penny pinching us out of existence. The coaches at youth level have to buy their own coats ffs. If the club continues down this totally short sighted path we will do a Leeds.
What nonsense.
you think so?
So the club won't take the "risk" of asking for the full allocation at away matches just in case there's a few leftover tickets to pay for? An extra thousand or so giving their full vocal backing to the boys in our hour of need?
I'd call that penny pinching and short sighted. What would you call it?
I'd call it you being ridiculously over the top with comments like 'penny pinching us out of existence'.
i think he meant penny pinching us out of the premier league
Fair enough. Penny pinching us out of existence was OTT. Out of the the premier league is what I actually meant.
My point was aimed at the clubs policy of not taking up the extra allocation just because they might end up being out of pocket with a few unsold tickets. That is penny pinching and short sighted at a time when the team needs all the help and support we can give them.
i mean yes
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I can only think of one occasion in the last few years we've taken a poor following to Everton, the 3-3 under Lambert we only had about 1300 there, didn't fill the lower tier that day. Not sure why the TO would pay more attention to that though than all the other times we've taken 3k (last season, under Mcleish, MON, etc).
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I can only think of one occasion in the last few years we've taken a poor following to Everton, the 3-3 under Lambert we only had about 1300 there, didn't fill the lower tier that day. Not sure why the TO would pay more attention to that though than all the other times we've taken 3k (last season, under Mcleish, MON, etc).
tom fox and his mates don' want us there mate ,,,,,,,,,,anyway fuck em and fuck everton away
I've just phoned up and got a ticket for Southampton away,,,cant believe it ,,,i'm chuffed
And we've only taken 1700 out the 3100 ,,,,,and i havent even got a season ticket this season
my criterea was attending 7 away matches last season
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They don't want you there, but they've sold you a ticket for Southampton?
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They don't want you there, but they've sold you a ticket for Southampton?
everton is in liverpool ,,,,,and southampton is in the new forest
cant believe i got one
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They don't want you there, but they've sold you a ticket for Southampton?
everton is in liverpool ,,,,,and southampton is in the new forest
cant believe i got one
Thanks for the geography lesson.
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Enough with the commas already!
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Enough with the commas already!
not just yet ,,,,,,,,,,, but it seems like only letting us have 1700 for southamtpon instead of the 3000 was the right decision
as they havent been selling ,,maybe villa fans are becoming lethargic with away matches,,,maybe some said sod it after the small everton allocation ,,,,,,,anyway ,it goes to general sale i think tomorow ,,,,,,,mind you i bet they could still sell 3000 if it went to general sale
everton is a shit away match ,,,,,,rammed in the arkles and shit in the bullens ,,,
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everton is a shit away match ,,,,,,rammed in the arkles and shit in the bullens ,,,
You'd prefer Southampton's sanitised soulless shopping mall of a stadium to Goodison Park?
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everton is a shit away match ,,,,,,rammed in the arkles and shit in the bullens ,,,
You'd prefer Southampton's sanitised soulless shopping mall of a stadium to Goodison Park?
yeah its shit at everton,,,,,,,,, the stand for away fans and the facilities are like going back to the dark ages
i wouldnt go if you paid me ,,,,,,,,although if anyone has a spare ticket to sell ,,,,,,,i might be interested
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Enough with the commas already!
rammed in the arkles
There are other pubs in Liverpool. Why anyone chooses to go to the Arkles puzzles me.
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Goodison is a great ground until something happens on the right wing towards the Gwladys Street End or you want to wash your hands after a slash and you realise they should have torn the place down a long time ago.
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Enough with the commas already!
rammed in the arkles
There are other pubs in Liverpool. Why anyone chooses to go to the Arkles puzzles me.
Because it's a brilliant pub packed full of Villa, of course.
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Goodison is a great ground until something happens on the right wing towards the Gwladys Street End or you want to wash your hands after a slash and you realise they should have torn the place down a long time ago.
Wash your hands after a slash? la-di-dah.
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There's been a couple of times we haven't taken or haven't been given upstairs at Everton, which is a shame. Downstairs is not the best. We're on row 5 next week so we probably won't see feck all.
I'm even worse off than you...row 4.
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I can send you messages to let you know what's happening...I'm in row 12! :D
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Goodison is a great ground until something happens on the right wing towards the Gwladys Street End or you want to wash your hands after a slash and you realise they should have torn the place down a long time ago.
i've always wondered why a whole stadium has to be knocked down ie Wembley in order to have some decent toilets, why don't they just keep the stadium (Goodison is a fantastic football ground) and spend a few quid modernising the toilet arrangements
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I can send you messages to let you know what's happening...I'm in row 12! :D
We'd prefer picture messages of the game in progress if you don't mind.
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I can send you messages to let you know what's happening...I'm in row 12! :D
We'd prefer picture messages of the game in progress if you don't mind.
Let's hope both teams keep the ball between waist and shoulder height and we might see something!
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I can send you messages to let you know what's happening...I'm in row 12! :D
We'd prefer picture messages of the game in progress if you don't mind.
Let's hope both teams keep the ball between waist and shoulder height and we might see something!
We will play it on the floor for 90 minutes!
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We've got an initial 1500 for Norwich away.
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We've also got 1500 for Newcastle - which despite being on sale for a couple of weeks - still hasn't sold out.
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We've also got 1500 for Newcastle - which despite being on sale for a couple of weeks - still hasn't sold out.
Bearing in mind it's a 5.30pm kick off on a Saturday on the last weekend before Christmas, it's hardly surprising.
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We've also got 1500 for Newcastle - which despite being on sale for a couple of weeks - still hasn't sold out.
Bearing in mind it's a 5.30pm kick off on a Saturday on the last weekend before Christmas, it's hardly surprising.
I'd still expect us to sell 1500 out.
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We've also got 1500 for Newcastle - which despite being on sale for a couple of weeks - still hasn't sold out.
Bearing in mind it's a 5.30pm kick off on a Saturday on the last weekend before Christmas, it's hardly surprising.
I'd still expect us to sell 1500 out.
It's still under a month away. We still might.
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We've also got 1500 for Newcastle - which despite being on sale for a couple of weeks - still hasn't sold out.
Bearing in mind it's a 5.30pm kick off on a Saturday on the last weekend before Christmas, it's hardly surprising.
But according to some on here we should be taking the full 3000 as our away support is the bestest ever! This is the classic example of why the club don't take full allocations.
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We've got an initial 1500 for Norwich away.
is that all ,,,,,,,,we had 1700 for southampton
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Southampton tickets have been on general sale for a week and STILL AVAILABLE.
Hoping for a better result than the last 2 games I went to at St Mary's.
UTV
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Southampton tickets have been on general sale for a week and STILL AVAILABLE.
Hoping for a better result than the last 2 games I went to at St Mary's.
UTV
did you go to yates mate when you went and if so whats it like in there and how long did it take you to walk to the ground from there ,,,,,,
i am hoping to get a full english there before midday next week ,,,,,,followed by 8 pints of cider
cant believe i got a ticket
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Yes went to Yates and its ok. Its less than 15 minutes walk to the ground.
TICKETS STILL AVAILABLE
UTV
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Yes went to Yates and its ok. Its less than 15 minutes walk to the ground.
TICKETS STILL AVAILABLE
UTV
brilliant ,,,,,cheers mate ,,,,,,cant believe there are still tickets left when Everton sold out so quickly ,,,
and we sold over 3000 in days for Southampton away in the cup a few weeks ago
maybe its because they didnt want more of us at Everton that the fans are now refusing to go to southampton
either way ,,,,,,i cant wait
but its bad news ,,,,,,the club can now justify their position and we will now only get the minimum allocation for every other premier league away match
and there is probably only about 11 or 12 of them left ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in our lifetime
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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,think,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,being,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,dramatic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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The cup tickets were £12 which is why we sold so many,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,, is a bit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, too mental,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Ah, so people are not going to Southampton because they couldn't get a ticket for Everton? You've got to chuckle at stupidity sometimes.
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I would usually go to Southampton with my Dad, but the pair of us were only there the other week for about a third of what it'll cost on 5th December, so we're giving it a miss.
Our 2 tickets for the cup match were only £19 for the pair. In fact the price of my coach fare, added to both our tickets only added up to the same as one adult match ticket for the league game, and the concession for my Dad is barely noticeable either.
I imagine a fair few of those giving it a miss are of the same mind. I've seen that game far cheaper, far too recently, to want to do it again.
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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,think,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,being,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,dramatic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
what do you mean ,,,,,,not at all ,,,,,,our premier league days are numbered ,,and probably not likely to come back
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Ah, so people are not going to Southampton because they couldn't get a ticket for Everton? You've got to chuckle at stupidity sometimes.
not getting an everton ticket hasnt stopped me going to southampton ,,,,,,
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Ah, so people are not going to Southampton because they couldn't get a ticket for Everton? You've got to chuckle at stupidity sometimes.
not getting an everton ticket hasnt stopped me going to southampton ,,,,,,
Exactly, so what you said was nonsense.
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Everton and Norwich allocations the ticket office got wrong imo, Newcastle and Southampton they got right. Newcastle because it's just before Xmas and on TV, and Southampton because we've played there a few weeks before when tickets were 1/3 the price. Are the ticket office savvy enough to realise the times when a lower allocation is sensible, rather than just doing it all the time as they are at the moment? They should be liaising with supporters groups on this.
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Ah, so people are not going to Southampton because they couldn't get a ticket for Everton? You've got to chuckle at stupidity sometimes.
not getting an everton ticket hasnt stopped me going to southampton ,,,,,,
Exactly, so what you said was nonsense.
not at all ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it doesnt stop me going to southampton
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Everton and Norwich allocations the ticket office got wrong imo, Newcastle and Southampton they got right. Newcastle because it's just before Xmas and on TV, and Southampton because we've played there a few weeks before when tickets were 1/3 the price. Are the ticket office savvy enough to realise the times when a lower allocation is sensible, rather than just doing it all the time as they are at the moment? They should be liaising with supporters groups on this.
yes i guess your right hoyle
hopefully we will get some big allocations in the new year
because if we go down ,,,,,it could me a long long time before we have another premier league away match
and some of us could be dead and burried ,,,,,or cremated before it happens
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Conman. Do you not think that your last comment confirms my post of about this time last night?
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I bet we get huge allocations in Division 2 if we want them.
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Conman. Do you not think that your last comment confirms my post of about this time last night?
sorry mate ,,,,,,,,,,i dont know what planet your on
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I bet we get huge allocations in Division 2 if we want them.
bet we dont ,,,,,,,the grounds are small
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I bet we get huge allocations in Division 2 if we want them.
bet we dont ,,,,,,,the grounds are small
Yeah, tiny, tiny grounds like:
Leeds (40,204)
Derby (33,597)
Middlesborough (34,988)
Sheffield Weds (39,814)
Wolves (30,852)
Nottingham Forest (30,576)
Ipswich (30,311)
Bristol City (30,000)
Blackburn (31,367)
Cardiff (33,280)
MK Dons (30,500)
In fact the only two you could legitimately call "small" are Brentford (12,300) and Rotherham (12,021)
And none of them fill their grounds, Derby come closest with 87% of capacity so far this season)
Add to that at least one of Sunderland or Newcastle.
Yow dow 'arf talk some rubbish ar kid.
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Brentford (12,300) and Rotherham (12,021)
These grounds are small.
Add to that at least one of Sunderland or Newcastle.
But those grounds are far away.
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The size of clubs stadium's in the Championship is,,,,,,,,,,,, irrelevant.
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Brentford (12,300) and Rotherham (12,021)
These grounds are small.
Add to that at least one of Sunderland or Newcastle.
But those grounds are far away.
Applause.
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I bet we get huge allocations in Division 2 if we want them.
bet we dont ,,,,,,,the grounds are small
Yeah, tiny, tiny grounds like:
Leeds (40,204)
Derby (33,597)
Middlesborough (34,988)
Sheffield Weds (39,814)
Wolves (30,852)
Nottingham Forest (30,576)
Ipswich (30,311)
Bristol City (30,000)
Blackburn (31,367)
Cardiff (33,280)
MK Dons (30,500)
In fact the only two you could legitimately call "small" are Brentford (12,300) and Rotherham (12,021)
And none of them fill their grounds, Derby come closest with 87% of capacity so far this season)
Add to that at least one of Sunderland or Newcastle.
Yow dow 'arf talk some rubbish ar kid.
All smaller than Villa Park ;D
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I bet we get huge allocations in Division 2 if we want them.
bet we dont ,,,,,,,the grounds are small
Yeah, tiny, tiny grounds like:
Leeds (40,204)
Derby (33,597)
Middlesborough (34,988)
Sheffield Weds (39,814)
Wolves (30,852)
Nottingham Forest (30,576)
Ipswich (30,311)
Bristol City (30,000)
Blackburn (31,367)
Cardiff (33,280)
MK Dons (30,500)
In fact the only two you could legitimately call "small" are Brentford (12,300) and Rotherham (12,021)
And none of them fill their grounds, Derby come closest with 87% of capacity so far this season)
Add to that at least one of Sunderland or Newcastle.
Yow dow 'arf talk some rubbish ar kid.
mate the leagues changed names years ago ,,,,,thats championship grounds ,,,,,,,,,,2 leagues about Div 2
honestly ,,,,,,,i dont know where they get em from
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Why do you use so many commas?
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For some of us they are still Division 2, 3 and 4. Same as it's still the Witton Lane Stand. Plus it's League 2, not Division 2, even if you do use the new names.
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Why do you use so many commas?
its not against the law
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Brentford (12,300) and Rotherham (12,021)
These grounds are small.
Add to that at least one of Sunderland or Newcastle.
But those grounds are far away.
Applause.
And: Bravo!
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For some of us they are still Division 2, 3 and 4. Same as it's still the Witton Lane Stand. Plus it's League 2, not Division 2, even if you do use the new names.
yeah well i have moved on since then ,,,,,,and i was referring to the ground sizes in div 2 or league 2 ,,,,,,or the 4th tier to the dinosaurs
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Brentford (12,300) and Rotherham (12,021)
These grounds are small.
Add to that at least one of Sunderland or Newcastle.
But those grounds are far away.
(http://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/14/73/3073014.jpg)
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Why do you use so many commas?
its not against the law
So why is it that you use so many?
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For some of us they are still Division 2, 3 and 4. Same as it's still the Witton Lane Stand. Plus it's League 2, not Division 2, even if you do use the new names.
yeah well i have moved on since then ,,,,,,and i was referring to the ground sizes in div 2 or league 2 ,,,,,,or the 4th tier to the dinosaurs
And yet you still confuse Division 2 with League 2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Why do you use so many commas?
its not against the law
It is, actually. S.37(4)(b) of the Inappropriate Use of Punctuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment) Act 1834.
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Why do you use so many commas?
its not against the law
It is, actually. S.37(4)(b) of the Inappropriate Use of Punctuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment) Act 1834.
ok i will stop ,,,,,,mind you ,,,,i am going to southampton away next week ,,,,,,,and i dont care how far away it is
in fact i hope its a thousand miles away ,,,,,,as long as i am in the pub for 12
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For some of us they are still Division 2, 3 and 4. Same as it's still the Witton Lane Stand. Plus it's League 2, not Division 2, even if you do use the new names.
yeah well i have moved on since then ,,,,,,and i was referring to the ground sizes in div 2 or league 2 ,,,,,,or the 4th tier to the dinosaurs
And yet you still confuse Division 2 with League 2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
look mate ,,,,,,,your obviously not the sharpest sandwich knife in the picnic drawer so i will type it slowly for you ,,,,,,again
F O U R T H T I E R
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Unnecessary use of capital letters is also an indictable offence, under S.37(4)(a).
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Your? Night?
Yeah ok, it's others that aren't the sharpest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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If you want to use ellipses left right and centre, then that would be irritating enough on its own, but sprinkling commas all over your posts makes my teeth itch. Can you give it a rest?
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If you want to use ellipses left right and centre, then that would be irritating enough on its own, but sprinkling commas all over your posts makes my teeth itch. Can you give it a rest?
if you buy me a pint in the witton arms tomorow
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For some of us they are still Division 2, 3 and 4. Same as it's still the Witton Lane Stand. Plus it's League 2, not Division 2, even if you do use the new names.
yeah well i have moved on since then ,,,,,,and i was referring to the ground sizes in div 2 or league 2 ,,,,,,or the 4th tier to the dinosaurs
Fu*k my old boots, I thought it was compulsory to be a dinosaur to be on here!
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For some of us they are still Division 2, 3 and 4. Same as it's still the Witton Lane Stand. Plus it's League 2, not Division 2, even if you do use the new names.
yeah well i have moved on since then ,,,,,,and i was referring to the ground sizes in div 2 or league 2 ,,,,,,or the 4th tier to the dinosaurs
Fu*k my old boots, I thought it was compulsory to be a dinosaur to be on here!
some of them think today is coloured friday
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Friday of colour, please.
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Can't wait for Transgender Tuesday myself.
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Official Site getting all exited telling everyone we've sold our 1500 minimum allocation for Norwich
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Official Site getting all exited telling everyone we've sold our 1500 minimum allocation for Norwich
Or are they just informing people who were thinking of going that it's now sold out?
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Official Site getting all exited telling everyone we've sold our 1500 minimum allocation for Norwich
Or are they just informing people who were thinking of going that it's now sold out?
Just putting sold out in the ticket section should be enough to let people know I'd of thought
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They are hardly going overboard. They've padded the page a bit with some basic info of our last few visits.
Villa's allocation for the away clash with Norwich has sold out.
We will have over 1,500 fans cheering us on at Carrow Road as we search for three points against the Canaries.
We've enjoyed success in East Anglia over the past few seasons, with some big results.
We're unbeaten against the Canaries since May 2012, with four wins and one draw in all competitions since that time, including a 4-1 win in the League Cup in December 2012.
Our last league clash at Carrow Road saw a 1-0 win in September 2013 while a brace from Gabby Agbonlahor in May 2013's 2-1 victory there was critical to us staying up that term as we enjoyed a fine conclusion to the campaign.
Rémi Garde will be eager to continue that run as he aims for a renaissance in fortunes.
Please be aware that coach travel for this fixture departs at 9am - and costs £23 per person (non-refundable).
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They are hardly going overboard. They've padded the page a bit with some basic info of our last few visits.
Villa's allocation for the away clash with Norwich has sold out.
We will have over 1,500 fans cheering us on at Carrow Road as we search for three points against the Canaries.
We've enjoyed success in East Anglia over the past few seasons, with some big results.
We're unbeaten against the Canaries since May 2012, with four wins and one draw in all competitions since that time, including a 4-1 win in the League Cup in December 2012.
Our last league clash at Carrow Road saw a 1-0 win in September 2013 while a brace from Gabby Agbonlahor in May 2013's 2-1 victory there was critical to us staying up that term as we enjoyed a fine conclusion to the campaign.
Rémi Garde will be eager to continue that run as he aims for a renaissance in fortunes.
Please be aware that coach travel for this fixture departs at 9am - and costs £23 per person (non-refundable).
Yeah think I'm just being arsey,just think with Norwich being 1 of the 3 teams we have a slight(even doubt that now) chance of catching we should have made abit more effort to push out more than 1500 tickets for it.
I remember when we won there 2-1 a couple of years ago & took the full allocation & our fans were great that day.
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In an ideal world we'd take the full allocation but it must be tough for the ticket office to know what to take as over the Christmas/New Year period we have 3 of the worst/longest away trips, Newcastle, Norwich and Sunderland. 1500 to Norwich a few days after Christmas, with adult tickets costing £40, isn't bad imo.
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Good points,shame they couldn't use some of the "pot" to subsidise Norwich abit as the 2 north east games & quite fairly priced.
It's definitely not a kind fixture list though
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My oldest lad and his mate (both 15) wanted to go away, its tough getting your away allocation and the Norwich allocation only went on general sale, at 10am the web site was still saying you needed 3 away bookings so we couldn't buy. When I checked again in the afternoon they had all gone...hes gutted.
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I had also planned to go to this with my lad and several others from Bournemouth. Such a shame they didn't take the bigger allocation.
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Judging by mine and other comments looking for tickets for Norwich the Club could and should have taken a bigger allocation.
Only my opinion though.
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IMO we'd have really struggled to shift them. The 1500 went past ST holders, VC members and non ST holders with 3 aways. 1000 people that don't qualify with any of those is pushing it I reckon.
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Judging by mine and other comments looking for tickets for Norwich the Club could and should have taken a bigger allocation.
Only my opinion though.
It's easy to say you were going to buy something when it's not for sale anymore. I can see both sides to this one - we sold out two weeks in advance so should have taken more, but one of those weeks is Christmas when I would guess the last thing on anyone's mind would be sorting out tickets and travel for an away match.
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Judging by mine and other comments looking for tickets for Norwich the Club could and should have taken a bigger allocation.
Only my opinion though.
yeah and mine ,,with most people off work till the new year ,,and itiching to get out the house , we could have easily sold another 1500 if it had gone to general sale
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Judging by mine and other comments looking for tickets for Norwich the Club could and should have taken a bigger allocation.
Only my opinion though.
yeah and mine ,,with most people off work till the new year ,,and itiching to get out the house , we could have easily sold another 1500 if it had gone to general sale
Although you said on the Norwich tickets thread that you wasn't going to go because 'its too far' and 'we're shit'.
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Judging by mine and other comments looking for tickets for Norwich the Club could and should have taken a bigger allocation.
Only my opinion though.
yeah and mine ,,with most people off work till the new year ,,and itiching to get out the house , we could have easily sold another 1500 if it had gone to general sale
Although you said on the Norwich tickets thread that you wasn't going to go because 'its too far' and 'we're shit'.
yes , despite that , for reasons i am unable to go into i have changed my mind and will go if i can get a ticket on monday