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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on October 27, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
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Is it me or are these getting worse?
There was a time whereby you had at least a modicum of respect for the likes of Hansen, Shearer etc (Lawro excluded), but the ones that are really irritating me are the Johnny Come Lately recently retired footballers that have this 'you have never played the game so you couldn't possibly understand' approach to their comments.
I think this has been magnified by the fawning and pity handed out to our now departed Manager. The people that irritated me the most are;
Jermaine Jenas - injury prone, average to shit midfielder who is unable to articulate himself well during his ever increasing appearances on TV. Describes the sacking as ludicrous and I bet he hasn't got one tenth of the facts of what has happened available to him should he be pressed.
Mark Fcukin Chapman - need I say anymore.
Trevor Sinclair - decent when he could be arsed footballer, again calls it a disgrace and hopes we go down - how is that for decisive, authoritative commentary.
Dwight Fcukin Yorke - absolutely hopelessly out of his depth doing it in the first place then slams the club that made him the star he is as many times as he can cram in during a broadcast.
Even Danny Murphy who I actually can stand came out with some rubbish about referees not having to send players off with only seconds left in the game, despite the fact that the rules are players can be sent off until they are down the tunnel even after the whistle has gone.
Jason Roberts. Fcukin useless and of no consequence but sticks his oar in.
Anyone else?
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Michael Owen. Everything he says either is set up by or will lead to a reference to his own playing career. I binned a BT Sport contract I am still paying for rather than suffer the pompous little prick.
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Is it me or are these getting worse?
There was a time whereby you had at least a modicum of respect for the likes of Hansen, Shearer etc (Lawro excluded), but the ones that are really irritating me are the Johnny Come Lately recently retired footballers that have this 'you have never played the game so you couldn't possibly understand' approach to their comments.
I think this has been magnified by the fawning and pity handed out to our now departed Manager. The people that irritated me the most are;
Jermaine Jenas - injury prone, average to shit midfielder who is unable to articulate himself well during his ever increasing appearances on TV. Describes the sacking as ludicrous and I bet he hasn't got one tenth of the facts of what has happened available to him should he be pressed.
Mark Fcukin Chapman - need I say anymore.
Trevor Sinclair - decent when he could be arsed footballer, again calls it a disgrace and hopes we go down - how is that for decisive, authoritative commentary.
Dwight Fcukin Yorke - absolutely hopelessly out of his depth doing it in the first place then slams the club that made him the star he is as many times as he can cram in during a broadcast.
Even Danny Murphy who I actually can stand came out with some rubbish about referees not having to send players off with only seconds left in the game, despite the fact that the rules are players can be sent off until they are down the tunnel even after the whistle has gone.
Jason Roberts. Fcukin useless and of no consequence but sticks his oar in.
Anyone else?
Pretty much anyone of the former players that can be heard on radio or seen on TV with a microphone under their nose.
As a breed they're useless twonks who're ignorant of what's actually going on either because either
a) they're too bleeding thick to realise what's going on.
b) they've got their heads so far up there mate's / former colleague's arse that they can't see what's going on.
c) a combination of the two.
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Jenas is the one who gets me. Fair play to the bloke for somehow managing to get a job after such a disastrous playing "career" but really he should stop trying to speak from a position of authority, he did nothing in football. At least the likes of Lineker, Shearer, Murphy hell even Yorke actually have genuinely impressive playing careers behind them. Jenas did nothing.
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In the main they are all pretty dire but I am growing to like Gary Neville, which is surprising because I always loathed him as a player.
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I've had enough of savage and his court jester style contrived idiocy.
How come Hartson doesn't know it's not 'pellanty' after so many years in the game? Although, to be fair, he's one of he more bearable ones.
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I was listening to the final Wales Euro qualifier on 5 Live but found it difficult to concentrate on what was being said as a high pitched whine that I took for the usual poor AM reception was often interrupting the proceedings. After about half an hour I realised it was the colour commentary provided by Robbie Savage.
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There are just so many more opportunities for punditry these days than there used to be. Arguably, too many. So many different broadcasters games and a selection of programmes even on the BBC offer these ex pros employment / an outlet for their 'knowledge'
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I see Rio Ferdinand is calling for his mate Dwight to be the new Villa manager. Reckons that Yorke might have a "Slaven Bilic" effect on us.
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Gary Neville and to a far lesser extent Danny Murphy do a good job. Both give the impression at least of having done a lot of research rather than coming out with the usual clichés.
The reason we have so many journalists of TV as pundits these days is a direct result of how utterly shit so many ex pros are.
Also Danny Higginbottom is top class and should be used more on TV and radio.
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I see Rio Ferdinand is calling for his mate Dwight to be the new Villa manager. Reckons that Yorke might have a "Slaven Bilic" effect on us.
And There is Your Winner
When Rio speaks he looks like a cross between Skelator and a Horse about to be put out of his misery. And sounds less intelligible than both.
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I quite like Kevin Kilbane and don't mind Danny Murphy too much
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Graeme Souness, who told everyone that we'd spent £50m on players without mentioning the small detail of seeing our 2 best disappear out the door.
The more I hear these guys talk about us, the smaller we seem to become. We're not held in very high regard it seems.
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I like Neville which I never thought i'd say, Carragher on the other hand gets on my tits
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Neville and Danny Murphy are largely good. Kilbane is ok. I also like Dixon.
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The problem is they don't take it seriously.
Nevile and Jamie "eeeeeerhm" Carragher sound like scientists, because they have knowledge to back up an opinion. They also have a strong opinion, that does not necessarily flow with protecting the old boys brigade of players and managers.
Morons like Jenas or Savage watch a bit of Match of the Day and think they know it all.
Just listen to the amount of morons who come out with "and Villa are missing their best players like Ron Vlaar..."
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I like Neville which I never thought i'd say, Carragher on the other hand gets on my tits
He'd get on my tits too, if I could understand him.
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What makes it worse is that professional journalists and broadcasters mimic the ex players and dumb down whole programmes. That Fletcher bloke spent most of last Saturday's 606 offering simpering about Savage being considered for the role of James Bond. Pathetic and puerile in equal measure.
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The thing that pisses me off most is when they go on about the pace we have in the team and our counter attacking style. It's been years since the MON days, but they still go on about it. Shows how relevant we are to them, I guess.
As for pundits, they're all shit besides Neville and Carragher. Admittedly some are less shit than others, but still. Ruud Gullit is by far the worst though, remember earlier this season when he said Liverpool need to build a new stadium to be successful? What a clown.
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Driving to the game on Saturday, the team news started coming through on talksport. Ray Parlour said he was surprised Westwood had been dropped as he'd been one of Viila's best players this season.
Merson on Sky at the start of the season said he couldn't believe we'd sold Weimann as he was a top player.
Just two examples off the top of my head of typical lazy punditry.
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Is it me or are these getting worse?
You can probably link it to the point at which the most important way of getting content was whatever stream-of-consciousness thought somebody sent in via text or Twitter.
If the format is going to be lazy and the most important opinion was an uninformed one, why should anybody involved try harder? Nowadays just having an opinion is considered good enough, insight is nothing more than an extra bonus.
If there was demand for insight then it would be there. There are excellent, witty, thoughtful opinion pieces on pretty much every bit of football out there that you can read and listen to if you want to. It's a bit like listening to nothing but KISS FM and complaining that all music is shit.
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I was listening to the final Wales Euro qualifier on 5 Live but found it difficult to concentrate on what was being said as a high pitched whine that I took for the usual poor AM reception was often interrupting the proceedings. After about half an hour I realised it was the colour commentary provided by Robbie Savage.
The King of the high-pitched whine is surely Steve Claridge. There are sabre-toothed dog carcasses buried deep in the permafrosts of darkest Siberia that prick up an ear whenever Claridge bemoans a poor throw in.
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One of the many benefits of watching games on moody streams from around the world, is that you don't have any of these idiots spouting nonsense. I've seen much more insight from the presenters in America for a kick off.
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Jenus seems to be a particularly new breed of 'shite talking twat!!'
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Driving to the game on Saturday, the team news started coming through on talksport. Ray Parlour said he was surprised Westwood had been dropped as he'd been one of Viila's best players this season.
Merson on Sky at the start of the season said he couldn't believe we'd sold Weimann as he was a top player.
Just two examples off the top of my head of typical lazy punditry.
This is the same Paul Merson that sent Scott Dann to play at Redditch as he would never be a player!
At least Gary Neville has taken his coaching seriously, A Licence and Pro Licence holder
When you hear professionals say they are doing their badges its usually Uefa B which is miles away from the pro licence
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The problem is they don't take it seriously.
Nevile and Jamie "eeeeeerhm" Carragher sound like scientists, because they have knowledge to back up an opinion. They also have a strong opinion, that does not necessarily flow with protecting the old boys brigade of players and managers.
Morons like Jenas or Savage watch a bit of Match of the Day and think they know it all.
Just listen to the amount of morons who come out with "and Villa are missing their best players like Ron Vlaar..."
Oh the bit about Ron Vlaar boiled my piss over the weekend the amount of times I heard people come out with it like it was Sherwood that was forced to sell him or something.
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Is it me or are these getting worse?
You can probably link it to the point at which the most important way of getting content was whatever stream-of-consciousness thought somebody sent in via text or Twitter.
If the format is going to be lazy and the most important opinion was an uninformed one, why should anybody involved try harder? Nowadays just having an opinion is considered good enough, insight is nothing more than an extra bonus.
If there was demand for insight then it would be there. There are excellent, witty, thoughtful opinion pieces on pretty much every bit of football out there that you can read and listen to if you want to. It's a bit like listening to nothing but KISS FM and complaining that all music is shit.
Are there other stations than KISS FM out there then?
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I see Rio Ferdinand is calling for his mate Dwight to be the new Villa manager. Reckons that Yorke might have a "Slaven Bilic" effect on us.
Ferdinand really is a fucking dope. Is this the same Slaven Billic who has been in some sort of coaching or management capacity for 15 years in now 4 countries? Because comparing him to Dwight isn't just unfair it's utterly ludicrous.
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What has happened has been the acceptance by the broadcasters that anything is permissible so long as it "builds an audience" which is luvviespeak for being offensive and provocative. Like Dave says content is irrelevant. I did not even know Jenas was a pundit until I read it on here.
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jamie redknapp - absolute tool
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Then I suppose it is my fault for listening to and watching the BBC who were once considered the envy of the world in broadcast terms. And now, the more I hear or see of their football programmes the more they are turning into ITV style drivel and sickly banteresque type discussions.
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Carragher and Neville tell it like it is; Murphy does to an extent. The rest are backslapping dimwits and dullards. Embarrassing that when it comes to football Murdoch's SKY is so much better than the BEEB (It really isn't when it comes to nature documentaries, mind!).
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I was listening to the final Wales Euro qualifier on 5 Live but found it difficult to concentrate on what was being said as a high pitched whine that I took for the usual poor AM reception was often interrupting the proceedings. After about half an hour I realised it was the colour commentary provided by Robbie Savage.
The King of the high-pitched whine is surely Steve Claridge. There are sabre-toothed dog carcasses buried deep in the permafrosts of darkest Siberia that prick up an ear whenever Claridge bemoans a poor throw in.
But he was bang on about Sherwood on Saturday. Say what many on here have been saying for months and saying he was out of his depth and didn't deserve more time.
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I was listening to the final Wales Euro qualifier on 5 Live but found it difficult to concentrate on what was being said as a high pitched whine that I took for the usual poor AM reception was often interrupting the proceedings. After about half an hour I realised it was the colour commentary provided by Robbie Savage.
The King of the high-pitched whine is surely Steve Claridge. There are sabre-toothed dog carcasses buried deep in the permafrosts of darkest Siberia that prick up an ear whenever Claridge bemoans a poor throw in.
But he was bang on about Sherwood on Saturday. Say what many on here have been saying for months and saying he was out of his depth and didn't deserve more time.
I heard that and for the first time I can remember found myself agreeing with Claridge.
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Please link to Claridge. Tnx.
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Just tried to find it on iPlayer. It was in the pre Bournemouth vs Spurs match chatter.
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Le Saux and Lee Dixon do a decent job summarizing on the US EPL commentary.
In the studio with Rebecca Lowe is Robbie Mustoe and Robbie Earle and surprisingly, they're not too bad either.
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I'm ok with Neville, Dixon, Murphy and Kilbane. The rest I'd happily never listen to again- including Ian Wright, and his infuriating insistence on referring to Hoddle as 'Gaffer'
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Kilbane is vanilla. Never says anything that insightful or interesting. Nice fella but I wish he thought a bit more like Jim Carrey as well as looking a bit like him.
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Neville, Kilbane and Carragher(sometimes) other some insight. The rest are utter morons who spout tired cliches and genuinely don't seem to have an awareness of the game they played.
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Carragher's thick accent is draining but he comes across as a guy who has at least done his homework. Gary Neville is good, and I don't mind Charlie Nicholas and Steve McManaman.
As for the the worst, Tony Cascarino and the annoying Robbie Savage take some beating but, and I know it's sacrilege to say it but Paul Merson is the winner. He's the thick mate of your group of mates you drink with in the pub. A nice bloke, but thicker than the thickest of thick pig shit.
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I'm ok with Neville, Dixon, Murphy and Kilbane. The rest I'd happily never listen to again- including Ian Wright, and his infuriating insistence on referring to Hoddle as 'Gaffer'
Whenever Wrighty's (Y.E.) mug appears, I hit the mute button. Too much work filling in all the missed consonants and deciphering the glottal stops. Referring to Theo Walcott as Lee Oooh Fee Oh was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Contrary to most posters judging from past debates, I quite like Beelzebub as a co-commentator. Souness is decent in the studio.
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Graeme Souness, who told everyone that we'd spent £50m on players without mentioning the small detail of seeing our 2 best disappear out the door.
The more I hear these guys talk about us, the smaller we seem to become. We're not held in very high regard it seems.
To be fair on Souness he at least was calling Sherwood to account. Regardless of who left we did spend £50 million and should be doing way better than we are.
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Most of the pundits mentioned are there for entertainment value not necessarily for insightful analysis - Merson and Wright are two that spring to mind. Both come out with some serious comedy value, Wright reminding Shearer of him kicking Neil Lennon's head around Filbert Street like a bowling ball a few weeks ago was hilarious.
John Giles was excellent in his day, particularly as a co-commentator but also as a studio analyst. This was in the day of the magic pen and "hold it there". Picking out which players to blame for a goal going in wasnt always obvious but Giles was excellent at doing it. Gone too old for it now I'm afraid on Irish TV these days. Liam Brady can be a decent pundit but can be entertaining to watch with his obvious biases (pro Arsenal/Wenger/Trappatoni, anti Roy Keane/Man United). Those two with Dunphy can make entertaining TV but I know Id prefer to watch the detailed analysis from the likes of Neville or Carragher.
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It's been a couple of years since Matthew Syed handed Tony Cascarino's arse to him over Chelsea and Ambramovich on Sky Sports, but Cascarino himself still gets gigs. I heard him on the radio this morning spouting the same old cliched bollocks.
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his name escapes me but I used to love the guy who coverd our night games in the late seventies and eighties
on bbc radio
what the hell was his name?
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Even Danny Murphy who I actually can stand came out with some rubbish about referees not having to send players off with only seconds left in the game, despite the fact that the rules are players can be sent off until they are down the tunnel even after the whistle has gone.
Honestly, that utter horseshite he was coming out with the other night about refs nearly made me throw my remote at the telly. Apparently, the ref was right to not book Toure for a really bad tackle, because if Toure had then committed another really bad foul later in the game, he might have to send him off. That's their fucking job you utter arsewipe, and what you were actually advocating was refs letting the bigger teams and players off with bad fouls, just because of who they are. Twat!
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Even Danny Murphy who I actually can stand came out with some rubbish about referees not having to send players off with only seconds left in the game, despite the fact that the rules are players can be sent off until they are down the tunnel even after the whistle has gone.
Honestly, that utter horseshite he was coming out with the other night about refs nearly made me throw my remote at the telly. Apparently, the ref was right to not book Toure for a really bad tackle, because if Toure had then committed another really bad foul later in the game, he might have to send him off. That's their fucking job you utter arsewipe, and what you were actually advocating was refs letting the bigger teams and players off with bad fouls, just because of who they are. Twat!
There's probably stats to disprove it, but it feels more like he's just acknowledging existing custom and practice.
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his name escapes me but I used to love the guy who coverd our night games in the late seventies and eighties
on bbc radio
what the hell was his name?
Larry Canning?
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I don't mind Claridge. He at least attempts to go past the bleeding obvious all the time, even if he mangles the English language in the process.
There, I've said it.
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I know not a pundit but can I add Alan Green to the list.
How this man keeps his job is beyond me. Him and whoever his co commentator are (normally Lawrenson) drone on mostly about anything but the game they are watching. It normally consists of how their journey to the game was a hardship, how bad their hotels are, how bad the food they've had to eat was etc.
When finally he gets round to the commentary it's just him pontificating on the 'poor' performance of the officials and how he'd change things if he had his way.
I still can't believe he's getting away with it.
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Collymore hasn't covered himself in glory this last week either.
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his name escapes me but I used to love the guy who coverd our night games in the late seventies and eighties
on bbc radio
what the hell was his name?
Larry Canning?
peter jones, that's the fella,his voice brings back so many good memories
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Peter Jones was the voice of Radio when I was a kid in the 80s, I remember Larry Canning covering us too, liked him when I was a kid.
I know he divides opinions on here, but I like Pat Murphy, when things are going wrong he seems pissed off like the rest of us, voices his opinions and doesn't sit on the fence.
Carragher, Neville, Murphy, Dixon, Hargreaves and James are all good, the rest just come out with the same old shit.
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Peter Jones was the voice of Radio when I was a kid in the 80s, I remember Larry Canning covering us too, liked him when I was a kid.
I know he divides opinions on here, but I like Pat Murphy, when things are going wrong he seems pissed off like the rest of us, voices his opinions and doesn't sit on the fence.
Carragher, Neville, Murphy, Dixon, Hargreaves and James are all good, the rest just come out with the same old shit.
euro night games in the seventies,no ss,listening to the villa in my bedroom,such fond memories,
I can still hear his voice now
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Neville and Carragher by a long shot are the best. Quite like Souness as well - especially when on a rant when covering Sky's coverage of the Champions league. BT Sport's pundits are terrible.
BBC if they allow him to talk could mould Danny Murphy into a decent pundit, but trouble is that they have to cover all aspects of the game for the casual viewer, and can't really go in to depth in the way that Sky can - see Monday night football for example.
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Even Danny Murphy who I actually can stand came out with some rubbish about referees not having to send players off with only seconds left in the game, despite the fact that the rules are players can be sent off until they are down the tunnel even after the whistle has gone.
Honestly, that utter horseshite he was coming out with the other night about refs nearly made me throw my remote at the telly. Apparently, the ref was right to not book Toure for a really bad tackle, because if Toure had then committed another really bad foul later in the game, he might have to send him off. That's their fucking job you utter arsewipe, and what you were actually advocating was refs letting the bigger teams and players off with bad fouls, just because of who they are. Twat!
I couldn't have put it better myself. He literally was saying don't send players off in the last minute and don't book them in the first. This despite the fact that it's their job. And it was Barry's 2nd bookable anyway so he deserved it.
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I seem to remember Larry Canning doing a very good impression of hating us when he was commentating on us back in the day - so nothing's changed.
The only pundit who seemed to like us was David Wigley on WM.
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Alan Green is the biggest bellend ever.
Ian Wright is the second.
John Motson third. Just goes to show you can know stats, but know fuck all about the actual game.
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I seem to remember Larry Canning doing a very good impression of hating us when he was commentating on us back in the day - so nothing's changed.
The only pundit who seemed to like us was David Wigley on WM.
As a former Villa player I always thought Larry Canning was fair to us. I recall him being the voice from Villa Park in the days when only 2 games were on TV
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his name escapes me but I used to love the guy who coverd our night games in the late seventies and eighties
on bbc radio
what the hell was his name?
Larry Canning?
peter jones, that's the fella,his voice brings back so many good memories
And this.
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One day i'll hear him say "and the sun shines now" and won't have eyes filled with dust.
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his name escapes me but I used to love the guy who coverd our night games in the late seventies and eighties
on bbc radio
what the hell was his name?
Larry Canning?
peter jones, that's the fella,his voice brings back so many good memories
And this.
ffs dave I was talking about our great euro nights not that horrendous day in Sheffield,
that's the voice though
oh those wonderfuk times
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his name escapes me but I used to love the guy who coverd our night games in the late seventies and eighties
on bbc radio
what the hell was his name?
Larry Canning?
peter jones, that's the fella,his voice brings back so many good memories
And this.
ffs dave I was talking about our great euro nights not that horrendous day in Sheffield,
that's the voice though
oh those wonderfuk times
And I was showing what made him such a great broadcaster. Why do you have a problem with that?
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his name escapes me but I used to love the guy who coverd our night games in the late seventies and eighties
on bbc radio
what the hell was his name?
Larry Canning?
peter jones, that's the fella,his voice brings back so many good memories
And this.
ffs dave I was talking about our great euro nights not that horrendous day in Sheffield,
that's the voice though
oh those wonderfuk times
And I was showing what made him such a great broadcaster. Why do you have a problem with that?
I dont
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One day i'll hear him say "and the sun shines now" and won't have eyes filled with dust.
Nods......
After sitting and watching what had gone on for the previous 3 or so hours to carry on doing your job to that level of professionalism with the deft touch and emotion is astounding. He died I think 18 months later, his wife maintained he suffered PTSD after witnessing that day and never recovered.
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All the usual names, the entire BT team of ex players and I cannot stand Danny Mills.
I don't mind Mark Chapman but do get sick of ex pros sticking up for their mates.
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The sky soccer special lot were on about it tonight.
They are just so far removed from what is actually happening day to day with the club to have anywhere near approaching an accurate viewpoint but it didn't stop the usual lazy lines about they weren't his players, he wanted Townsend Thoresen etc etc.
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The best thing we can do is appoint someone decent, hopefully Garde and we can resurrect our season and ram it down the throats of Sherwood's buddies.
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The most annoying thing is, they only ever skim over the surface. Even when we appointed McLeish, it had nothing to do where he came from, we never hated him. In fact most realised he was a very decent man. It was the brand we were against.
Now, most of us agree there is problems throughout the club, we're up for sale, the money isn't there, however Sherwood just didn't have a clue and instead of admitting other has thrown his players to the Wolves.
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I'm sure I've seen some of you on the Politics thread on OT telling people to keep things in perspective!
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One day i'll hear him say "and the sun shines now" and won't have eyes filled with dust.
Nods......
After sitting and watching what had gone on for the previous 3 or so hours to carry on doing your job to that level of professionalism with the deft touch and emotion is astounding. He died I think 18 months later, his wife maintained he suffered PTSD after witnessing that day and never recovered.
I believe he died after commentating on The Boat Race of all things - probably died of boredom poor bloke.
An outstanding commentator and wordsmith up there with Benaud, Maskell and Ted Lowe for just consistently getting it right.
Never forget his commentary of Dennis Mortimer's goal against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' the year we won the title - it's on the Season Review LP I bought that year narrated by Tim Russon (anyone remember him?)
Also when Boro got their 2nd while we were losing to Arsenal on the final day - the roar in the background is unbelievable.
Our pundits in Oz are Bosnich, Robbie Slater and via video link Darren Lewis - so you reckon you have it bad.
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The best thing we can do is appoint someone decent, hopefully Garde and we can resurrect our season and ram it down the throats of Sherwood's buddies.
It won't make any difference. They'll just quietly drop the story as at that point it won't be news. Even if we went storming up the table at a ridiculous rate the difference between Sherwood's performance and whoever's performance won't get mentioned. That's not just paranoia about how they treat us. That's just how they work, for any club other than their favoured few, unless they want to stick the boot in like they did with Moyes v van Gaal for a few months. I guess it's down to are you either
1.) One of the "old school network" or
2.) A glamour name from abroad.
Moyes never was either of those. Sherwood was. Even Peligrini seems to catch a load of shit from the media that would never be thrown at Moanrinho or van Gaal.
Garde or whoever will suffer the same from day 1 unless he does so well that they end up touting him for one of their favoured clubs.
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Alan Green is the biggest bellend ever.
Ian Wright is the second.
John Motson third. Just goes to show you can know stats, but know fuck all about the actual game.
Green is a commentator who just uses the platform to spout his opinions.
Wright is one of thickest twats to ever grace the planet
Motson used to be good but has been in decline since about 1990
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Le Saux and Lee Dixon do a decent job summarizing on the US EPL commentary.
In the studio with Rebecca Lowe is Robbie Mustoe and Robbie Earle and surprisingly, they're not too bad either.
Robbie Earle was good. I'd have probably give those tickets away too, bearing in mind the recipients..
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All the usual names, the entire BT team of ex players and I cannot stand Danny Mills.
I don't mind Mark Chapman but do get sick of ex pros sticking up for their mates.
Danny Mills takes this big intake of breath and then says nothing, I listen for it and it really annoys me
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apologies if he's been mentioned before but Danny Higginbotham is a massive bellend. (IMO)
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When I had Sky Sports, I used to like the Sunday Supplement - however you might have felt about the individual journalists, there was always a good amount of insight.
I used to like Strachan too when he did MotD2.
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The most annoying thing is, they only ever skim over the surface. Even when we appointed McLeish, it had nothing to do where he came from, we never hated him. In fact most realised he was a very decent man. It was the brand we were against.
Now, most of us agree there is problems throughout the club, we're up for sale, the money isn't there, however Sherwood just didn't have a clue and instead of admitting other has thrown his players to the Wolves.
Exactly - McLeish had a go at the Neanderthal Fans I believe after they beat is in the QFs
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One day i'll hear him say "and the sun shines now" and won't have eyes filled with dust.
Nods......
After sitting and watching what had gone on for the previous 3 or so hours to carry on doing your job to that level of professionalism with the deft touch and emotion is astounding. He died I think 18 months later, his wife maintained he suffered PTSD after witnessing that day and never recovered.
I believe he died after commentating on The Boat Race of all things - probably died of boredom poor bloke.
An outstanding commentator and wordsmith up there with Benaud, Maskell and Ted Lowe for just consistently getting it right.
Never forget his commentary of Dennis Mortimer's goal against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' the year we won the title - it's on the Season Review LP I bought that year narrated by Tim Russon (anyone remember him?)
Also when Boro got their 2nd while we were losing to Arsenal on the final day - the roar in the background is unbelievable.
Our pundits in Oz are Bosnich, Robbie Slater and via video link Darren Lewis - so you reckon you have it bad.
i don't mind slater and Bosnich, OV. At least they try and talk sense. Bosnich has this weird thing where he always looks lingeringly at slater though when he's turning to the front camera- always thought that was a bit strange. Whenever Man U are on he's annoying, sir Alex this and sir Alex that. But overall I think they're not bad.
When it comes to the actual commentary though, they have an Irish co-commentator who is extremely annoying with some of the cliches he trots out. I've been watching it for years and thought it was jim Beglin for some reason. But I now think it's tommy smith?? Never heard of him if he's an ex-pro. Just annoys me.
Of the English pindits there's few I like: robbie Earle is alright, McInally on sky, Chris Kiwomya I used to like as he made me laugh with his ridiculous enthusiasm. ( saw him
Once at Victoria tube station and said hello to him).
Garth Crooks is also up there with the worst- don't think he's been mentioned yet?
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Garth has morphed into the Fat Controller
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Ray Parlour seems to be geting a regular spot on talksport. He is a complete cluts, does no research and spouts opinion as if its fact. Its like hes readin the back page of the daily sport
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Peter Jones was the voice of Radio when I was a kid in the 80s, I remember Larry Canning covering us too, liked him when I was a kid.
I know he divides opinions on here, but I like Pat Murphy, when things are going wrong he seems pissed off like the rest of us, voices his opinions and doesn't sit on the fence.
Carragher, Neville, Murphy, Dixon, Hargreaves and James are all good, the rest just come out with the same old shit.
Always seems anti Villa whenever I hear him on the radio. His comments are nearly always negative. Wish he'd stick with the cricket.
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Ray Parlour seems to be geting a regular spot on talksport. He is a complete cluts, does no research and spouts opinion as if its fact. Its like hes readin the back page of the daily sport
Saw him in the pub the other night in Borough Market. His mates are even louder and more obnoxious than he is.
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Garth Crooks is also up there with the worst- don't think he's been mentioned yet?
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The sky soccer special lot were on about it tonight.
They are just so far removed from what is actually happening day to day with the club to have anywhere near approaching an accurate viewpoint but it didn't stop the usual lazy lines about they weren't his players, he wanted Townsend Thoresen etc etc.
The most annoying bit was "They can't expect to be challenging for The Champions League!'
They don't seem to have noticed that our expectations are down to challenging to stay in this division - & their mate wasn't quite managing to meet that!
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Peter Jones was the voice of Radio when I was a kid in the 80s, I remember Larry Canning covering us too, liked him when I was a kid.
I know he divides opinions on here, but I like Pat Murphy, when things are going wrong he seems pissed off like the rest of us, voices his opinions and doesn't sit on the fence.
Carragher, Neville, Murphy, Dixon, Hargreaves and James are all good, the rest just come out with the same old shit.
Always seems anti Villa whenever I hear him on the radio. His comments are nearly always negative. Wish he'd stick with the cricket.
murphy always seemed pro-villa to me back in the 90's. I used to think he was very favourable towards us, up until mid 2000's when he seemed to turn a bit. My theory is he's either a villa fan, or if not, used to have a soft spot for villa. And when they pulled up the drawbridge to the media, he began to be more vocally critical. I used to enjoy listening to villa matches on R2 / 5live when they had murphy, Ron jones, jimmy armfield and Mike Ingham.
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He's never forgiven Randy for not granting him an audience. Well, I have news Pat, Randy doesn't grant an audience to anyone, because he doesn't exist. So move on, build a bridge and generally get over it.
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After what he said on Sky Sports panel last night- Tony Cottee. What a cock!
"What do Villa fans want? Where do they expect to bein the league?" Well not bottom of it you cockney bluenose kit stealer.
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The most annoying thing is, they only ever skim over the surface. Even when we appointed McLeish, it had nothing to do where he came from, we never hated him. In fact most realised he was a very decent man. It was the brand we were against.
Now, most of us agree there is problems throughout the club, we're up for sale, the money isn't there, however Sherwood just didn't have a clue and instead of admitting other has thrown his players to the Wolves.
This is it, it's their job to know this stuff but none of them can be arsed to do any research and understand what's actually going on in any depth at all.
Same as a lot of the media really, not just football pundits.
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Agree with everything that has been said about Peter Jones. Outstanding broadcaster and his report from Hillsborough is one of those rare moments when a person associated with sport manages to transcend those confines, convey a moment in time and touch his listener in a way that only the greats of the medium can.
Unfortunately - and I said this when Richie Benaud passed on - the generation of broadcasters who reported what they saw with skilled use of the language is all but gone and in their place are those skilled only in hyperbole and self-opinion designed to court controversy. Then they paired with the ex-pro who for the most part is skilled only in mangling the English language in an attempt to arse-lick or utter meaningless cliche.
There are, thankfully, a few exceptions. I rate Chris Waddle, Danny Mills and Lee Dixon: each is articulate and generally say it as it is. I also don't mind Steve Claridge, although can also appreciate why others don't.
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What makes it all the more strange is that other sports the punditry is so much better - cricket and rugby are 2 obvious examples where the BBC, BT and Sky do a fantastic job. I have no idea why football punditry is so sycophantic.
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Too many broadcasters have forgotten what one master of their craft - it could have been Harry Carpenter - said; "Nobody watches an event to hear the commentator."
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What makes it all the more strange is that into other sports the punditry is so much better - cricket and rugby are 2 obvious examples where the BBC, BT and Sky do a fantastic job. I have no idea why football punditry is so sycophantic.
Although I feel that cricket has started down that slippery slope, with Phil Tufnell taking the role of Chief Court Jester and Graeme Swann is still too close to some in the England set-up.
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What makes it all the more strange is that into other sports the punditry is so much better - cricket and rugby are 2 obvious examples where the BBC, BT and Sky do a fantastic job. I have no idea why football punditry is so sycophantic.
Although I feel that cricket has started down that slippery slope, with Phil Tufnell taking the role of Chief Court Jester and Graeme Swann is still too close to some in the England set-up.
I think both of them are willing to be critical of what they see in front of them.
Swann (for example) was for a good while stating that Cook should stop playing one day cricket.
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Too many broadcasters have forgotten what one master of their craft - it could have been Harry Carpenter - said; "Nobody watches an event to hear the commentator."
Yeah, the excellent Martin Kelner writes about this, his says most commentators and co commentators talk far too much and love the sound of their own voices.
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What makes it all the more strange is that into other sports the punditry is so much better - cricket and rugby are 2 obvious examples where the BBC, BT and Sky do a fantastic job. I have no idea why football punditry is so sycophantic.
Although I feel that cricket has started down that slippery slope, with Phil Tufnell taking the role of Chief Court Jester and Graeme Swann is still too close to some in the England set-up.
I think the cricket ones on the radio are really good. Commentators and summarisers - they have a lot of airtime to fill as well.
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There are some superb cricket writers and journalists too.
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Yep cricket and to a lesser extent rugby have some excellent pundits, but most football pundits are an utter embarrassment.
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One thing Merse got right the other day was saying you don't sell a £32.5m striker and replace him with a £6m Championship striker, you need to get a £12-15m striker in. Bit like selling Milner for £26m and replacing him with £6-8m players like Makoun and Ireland or selling Young and Downing for £37m and replacing them with 1 sub £10m player in N'Zog. I know Lerner didn't pocket the Benteke cash and we brought some other players in but more needed to go on a centre forward. It's like the M'ON days when we only spent £3m on strikers yet many more times that on defenders/midfielders.
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One thing Merse got right the other day was saying you don't sell a £32.5m striker and replace him with a £6m Championship striker, you need to get a £12-15m striker in. Bit like selling Milner for £26m and replacing him with £6-8m players like Makoun and Ireland or selling Young and Downing for £37m and replacing them with 1 sub £10m player in N'Zog. I know Lerner didn't pocket the Benteke cash and we brought some other players in but more needed to go on a centre forward. It's like the M'ON days when we only spent £3m on strikers yet many more times that on defenders/midfielders.
I think I broadly agree with that. I've given up doing fantasy football now because every year I'd build a team from the goalkeeper up and then only have £10m left for two strikers. I was really shit at fantasy football.
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What makes it all the more strange is that into other sports the punditry is so much better - cricket and rugby are 2 obvious examples where the BBC, BT and Sky do a fantastic job. I have no idea why football punditry is so sycophantic.
Although I feel that cricket has started down that slippery slope, with Phil Tufnell taking the role of Chief Court Jester and Graeme Swann is still too close to some in the England set-up.
I think the cricket ones on the radio are really good. Commentators and summarisers - they have a lot of airtime to fill as well.
Is it possible that a lot of cricketers / rugby players will have come through private schools, and many will have actually gone to University as well, whereas footballers are more likely to leave school at 16. Does this make it more likely that the average cricketer or rugby player would be more eloquent in getting across an analysis than a footballer?
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I was listening to 5 live this evening as I thought there may have been an interview with kmac.
The first half hour was taken up talking about man Utd and Paul Scholes, the second half hour Chelsea and Klopp. We were then shoehorned into the last 5 minutes or so, whereby Trevor Sinclair suggested we deserved to be relegated as we hadn't given Sherwood enough time. There was a fair bit of talk about how he didn't get the players he wanted (despite most of them not appearing to want to join us). There was no mention of him taking repsonsibility for the buys (which he did at the time), or the constant chopping and changing, the dire football, the pitiful points haul etc etc.
Considering we pay for this service I think it was pretty disgraceful to be honest. It is so lazy, sycophantic and self serving. They simply don't want to upset their mates.
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I love the fact that they seem to think if he'd got Lennon, Townsend, Cambiado and Adebayor then everything would be fine. Of course it would. I'm glad we were spurred (geddit?) the sight of Lennon running like a girl in a Villa shirt.*
*not sexist
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I heard the 5live - Sinclair was making my piss boil. Tim this Tim that - they haven/t replaced him, should have had more time, only 10 games.
By their rationale Sherwood will be a shoo in the next time a Premier job becomes available outside the Top 6. In fact Martinez, Koeman, Howe, Hughes must all be crapping their pants now such a talent is back on the market.
Fuckwit lazy punditry.
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Agree with everything that has been said about Peter Jones. Outstanding broadcaster and his report from Hillsborough is one of those rare moments when a person associated with sport manages to transcend those confines, convey a moment in time and touch his listener in a way that only the greats of the medium can.
Unfortunately - and I said this when Richie Benaud passed on - the generation of broadcasters who reported what they saw with skilled use of the language is all but gone and in their place are those skilled only in hyperbole and self-opinion designed to court controversy. Then they paired with the ex-pro who for the most part is skilled only in mangling the English language in an attempt to arse-lick or utter meaningless cliche.
There are, thankfully, a few exceptions. I rate Chris Waddle, Danny Mills and Lee Dixon: each is articulate and generally say it as it is. I also don't mind Steve Claridge, although can also appreciate why others don't.
You were doing well until you said Chris Waddle is articulate and an exception in not mangling the English Language. His constant reference to teams as 'these' as in 'these are not playing well' is just one of many examples of his dire use of language. Though I grant you he is forthright in his views and often calls it correct I think about tactics
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I missed that! Chris Waddle mangles the English language, he's invented a language all of his own.
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Chris Waddle mangles the English language more than Peter Beardsley.
I seem to remember Gerald Sinstadt having a soft spot for us during his commentating heyday.
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What makes it all the more strange is that into other sports the punditry is so much better - cricket and rugby are 2 obvious examples where the BBC, BT and Sky do a fantastic job. I have no idea why football punditry is so sycophantic.
Although I feel that cricket has started down that slippery slope, with Phil Tufnell taking the role of Chief Court Jester and Graeme Swann is still too close to some in the England set-up.
I think the cricket ones on the radio are really good. Commentators and summarisers - they have a lot of airtime to fill as well.
Is it possible that a lot of cricketers / rugby players will have come through private schools, and many will have actually gone to University as well, whereas footballers are more likely to leave school at 16. Does this make it more likely that the average cricketer or rugby player would be more eloquent in getting across an analysis than a footballer?
But there are some exceptions to that.
I happen to think Don Goodman talks a lot of sense when he commentates on Championship games and does so reasonably articulately. Clark Carlisle also spoke well I thought before his unfortunate times took over.
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Yeah, I like Don Goodman. Should be on Premier League games but seems to be barred because he never (rarely?) played in it, rather than being promoted for being good at his job. Ridiculous.
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Yep another shout for Goodman.
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What makes it all the more strange is that other sports the punditry is so much better - cricket and rugby are 2 obvious examples where the BBC, BT and Sky do a fantastic job. I have no idea why football punditry is so sycophantic.
Without wishing to enforce stereotypes, you have to look at the background that rugby and cricket players (in particular) come from.
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Yes, I like Goodman too, and he has a nice Brummie twang as well which makes me feel at home. Danny Murphy and Danny Mills also score quite highly for me, as does Graeme Le Saux
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Martin O'Conner 'legend' never misses the chance to have a pop against us. We get it, you're a nose.
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Well according to Keys, Sherwood is appearing on Bein sports here in the Middle East all over next weekend, Keys and Gray show Friday night, then match coverage on the Saturday and Sunday, so I will keep an keen ear to see what bull if any he comes out with and report back.
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Martin O'Conner 'legend' never misses the chance to have a pop against us. We get it, you're a nose.
Where and who did he do pundit for ? I know him as he live not too far from me.
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I was listening to 5 live this evening as I thought there may have been an interview with kmac.
The first half hour was taken up talking about man Utd and Paul Scholes, the second half hour Chelsea and Klopp. We were then shoehorned into the last 5 minutes or so, whereby Trevor Sinclair suggested we deserved to be relegated as we hadn't given Sherwood enough time. There was a fair bit of talk about how he didn't get the players he wanted (despite most of them not appearing to want to join us). There was no mention of him taking repsonsibility for the buys (which he did at the time), or the constant chopping and changing, the dire football, the pitiful points haul etc etc.
Considering we pay for this service I think it was pretty disgraceful to be honest. It is so lazy, sycophantic and self serving. They simply don't want to upset their mates.
I agree with all the points you make there, mate.
Another great thing about being here in Japan is that you can completely avoid such woeful punditry. When I'm visiting home though, my dad always has Five Live on throughout Saturday and Sunday-It simply serves to wind me up. A Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs wankfest.
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Martin O'Conner 'legend' never misses the chance to have a pop against us. We get it, you're a nose.
Where and who did he do pundit for ? I know him as he live not too far from me.
He gives his 'measured' opinion on WM.
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I see that Potchettino has now been criticising our board for not showing enough patience. It does make me laugh that there is this general perception that if you give a manager time they will defintely succeed. It's just utter bollocks.
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I see that Potchettino has now been criticising our board for not showing enough patience. It does make me laugh that there is this general perception that if you give a manager time they will defintely succeed. It's just utter bollocks.
Couldn't agree more, but have you ever heard a Premier league manager say that another club were right in sacking their manager.
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We've lost 8 of the first 10 games of the season and sit rock bottom of the league. There was nothing to suggest that Sherwood was learning from his mistakes and the team selections were getting weirder.
Time is exactly what we don't have. The board were right to sack him, but they were wrong to offer him a long term contract, so basically this is their mess. Again.
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We've lost 8 of the first 10 games of the season and sit rock bottom of the league. There was nothing to suggest that Sherwood was learning from his mistakes and the team selections were getting weirder.
Time is exactly what we don't have. The board were right to sack him, but they were wrong to offer him a long term contract, so basically this is their mess. Again.
I think it would have been harsh letting him go at the end of last season though.
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What really confuses me is the pundits wanting Villa to have an British manager, so right Moyes he has said No, I also think I have read that Rodgers has said No, so bag puss Redknapp and the rest of you who should this brilliant Brit be????
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Alan Green, what a knob.
During the Watford / West Ham game the camera showed Watford fans holding up their phones with torches on (not sure why), to which he said "This is the new craze these days".
Well no Alan, the Boro fans at Old Trafford did it for a reason.
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I see that Potchettino has now been criticising our board for not showing enough patience. It does make me laugh that there is this general perception that if you give a manager time they will defintely succeed. It's just utter bollocks.
Wonder if he thinks Nigel Adkins deserved more time.
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What really confuses me is the pundits wanting Villa to have an British manager, so right Moyes he has said No, I also think I have read that Rodgers has said No, so bag puss Redknapp and the rest of you who should this brilliant Brit be????
Moyes and Rodgers haven't been offered the job as far as I can tell.
The thing that is lost on the pundits is that Villa's last three managers have all been British - two young and British - and none of them have been a success unfortunately. How they can't see this basic flaw in their argument is beyond me.
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Why should Villa have a UK manager? For the last 100 years or so we have give more to British footballers than probably any other club. Have we not supplied the England national team with more players than anyone else?
We have given young managers like Turner, Little, Gregory, Lambert and Sherwood big jobs in my life time. As well as them we have employed many other British managers while others have looked abroad. I remember Gregory fielding an entire English team once when the fashion was to shop overseas.
Nobody else would have been as patient as we were while Lambert broke every unwanted record going. Sherwood's rotten form started last season and it was plainly obvious he had lost compete control and didn't have a clue what to do.
While Watford, Southampton and West Ham amongst others have no good Jonny foreigners we must apoint the next useless British candidate.
These bloody pundits need to look at the bigger picture and research things before they are spouting nonsense on the TV.
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What really confuses me is the pundits wanting Villa to have an British manager, so right Moyes he has said No, I also think I have read that Rodgers has said No, so bag puss Redknapp and the rest of you who should this brilliant Brit be????
Moyes and Rodgers haven't been offered the job as far as I can tell.
The thing that is lost on the pundits is that Villa's last three managers have all been British - two young and British - and none of them have been a success unfortunately. How they can't see this basic flaw in their argument is beyond me.
It's because they're not trying to construct a logical argument and are therefore ambivalent at best to flaws in their arguments.
What they are about however, is reinforcing their narrative of certain teams having a definite place in the pecking order and club's knowing their place.
Was there an outcry when Sherwood got the boot from Spurs?
Was there an outcry when Moyes was dumped by Man Utd?
Was there an outcry when Hughes was sacked by Man City with Mancini watching from the stands?
Not that I can remember. I'd hazard a guess that all of the above were cases of the manager's media profiles being.
lower than those of their respective clubs. That's fine as long as the results match the media expectations of the club, but as soon as you fall short you're toast.
We're experiencing the flip side. Sherwood's a media darling so we were always going to be "lucky to have him" and so on. He could have relegated us without winning another point and we'd have still been too hasty ditching him in May.
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As I stated before if Sherwood was that good why are none of these 'expert' pundits suggesting that now such a great option is back on the market that this naturally increases the pressure on Roberto Martinez, Ronald Koeman, Mark Hughes, Tony Pullis, Alan Pardew and even Steve McLaren as Sherwood will clearly be a shoo in for any of these jobs should any of the respective teams under perform.
Sherwood is a vacuous fuckwit and the ultimate one trick pony. He places a notch above Billy McFuckingNeil, on a par with McLeish and just below Lambert and Turner in terms of uselessness.
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I see that Potchettino has now been criticising our board for not showing enough patience. It does make me laugh that there is this general perception that if you give a manager time they will defintely succeed. It's just utter bollocks.
It's the standard manager press conference line. He could hardly come out say he thought Sherwood was useless, even if he believed it to be the case.
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I see that Potchettino has now been criticising our board for not showing enough patience. It does make me laugh that there is this general perception that if you give a manager time they will defintely succeed. It's just utter bollocks.
It's the standard manager press conference line. He could hardly come out say he thought Sherwood was useless, even if he believed it to be the case.
and is contrary to his comments in an article in the Sunday Express today http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/616038/Mauricio-Pochettino-Tottenham-sack-Tim-Shewrood-Aston-Villa-Premier-League
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Danny '******' Mills constants saying were comparable to Sheff Weds and Leeds in terms of history and fan base achievements etc. Can someone pit this fucker straight when he next does a phone in the twat.
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My apologies for not reading the preceding 9 pages, but can I say how good the pundits are on BT Sport's Goals Show for the champions league nights.
They're journalists plus Howard Webb anchored by James Richardson. I've been a big fan of the guardian podcast for years, because they are not afraid to have an alternative view and indeed take the piss out of the pantomime that is modern football. Whilst slightly less piss taking - after all they've paid a lot of money for the broadcasting rights - their observations are still very erudite and much more likely to ignore the usual agenda.
I recommend it.
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My apologies for not reading the preceding 9 pages, but can I say how good the pundits are on BT Sport's Goals Show for the champions league nights.
They're journalists plus Howard Webb anchored by James Richardson. I've been a big fan of the guardian podcast for years, because they are not afraid to have an alternative view and indeed take the piss out of the pantomime that is modern football. Whilst slightly less piss taking - after all they've paid a lot of money for the broadcasting rights - their observations are still very erudite and much more likely to ignore the usual agenda.
I recommend it.
I always loved Channel Four's Football Italia. James Richardson looked so cool sitting outside Italian cafes reading the Gazetta De La Sport headlines.
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My apologies for not reading the preceding 9 pages, but can I say how good the pundits are on BT Sport's Goals Show for the champions league nights.
They're journalists plus Howard Webb anchored by James Richardson. I've been a big fan of the guardian podcast for years, because they are not afraid to have an alternative view and indeed take the piss out of the pantomime that is modern football. Whilst slightly less piss taking - after all they've paid a lot of money for the broadcasting rights - their observations are still very erudite and much more likely to ignore the usual agenda.
I recommend it.
Can I say that for as good as the Goals show is, their coverage of the matches - the expensive pundits - is fucking awful.
Tonight is Harry Redknapp, Scholes (benefit of the doubt) and Ferdinand. I feel sorry for Gary Lineker trying to get anything interesting or insightful from them.
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Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-legend-martin-laursen-10396729)
Aston Villa legend Martin Laursen hits out at Randy Lerner
08:28, 6 NOV 2015 UPDATED 08:46, 6 NOV 2015
BY STEVE WOLLASTON
Former Aston Villa favourite Martin Laursen says that owner Randy Lerner has to shoulder the responsibility for the club's struggles.
He admitted that if something doesn't change fast, the club will be relegated.
Speaking to the BBC he said: "It hasn't been good enough this season. But it hasn't been good enough for the last three or our seasons.
"I think since Martin O'Neill left and Randy Lerner said that he would like to sell the club it's been very hard for Aston Villa. They are struggling big time.
"You need quality players to do well in the Premier League. So obviously Randy Lerner has some responsibility in all this because he hasn't invested enough in the team because he wants to sell the club.
"Obviously, when you sell Benteke and Delph, the two most important players from last season they are going to struggle.
"Yes, big time (Villa could get relegated). I think something big is going to (have to) happen if they are not going to get relegated this year."
Another former player, Mark Bosnich, believes that Remi Garde is not the man to lead Villa forward.
The former goalkeeper told talkSPORT: “With no disrespect to Remi, I don’t think he is the right man at the moment.
"I think they needed someone to come in who’s used to that situation and survival, and make sure they survive this season in the Premier League. And then bring someone like Garde in [over the summer].”
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Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-legend-martin-laursen-10396729)
Aston Villa legend Martin Laursen hits out at Randy Lerner
08:28, 6 NOV 2015 UPDATED 08:46, 6 NOV 2015
BY STEVE WOLLASTON
Former Aston Villa favourite Martin Laursen says that owner Randy Lerner has to shoulder the responsibility for the club's struggles.
He admitted that if something doesn't change fast, the club will be relegated.
Speaking to the BBC he said: "It hasn't been good enough this season. But it hasn't been good enough for the last three or our seasons.
"I think since Martin O'Neill left and Randy Lerner said that he would like to sell the club it's been very hard for Aston Villa. They are struggling big time.
"You need quality players to do well in the Premier League. So obviously Randy Lerner has some responsibility in all this because he hasn't invested enough in the team because he wants to sell the club.
"Obviously, when you sell Benteke and Delph, the two most important players from last season they are going to struggle.
"Yes, big time (Villa could get relegated). I think something big is going to (have to) happen if they are not going to get relegated this year."
Another former player, Mark Bosnich, believes that Remi Garde is not the man to lead Villa forward.
The former goalkeeper told talkSPORT: “With no disrespect to Remi, I don’t think he is the right man at the moment.
"I think they needed someone to come in who’s used to that situation and survival, and make sure they survive this season in the Premier League. And then bring someone like Garde in [over the summer].”
I'd take umbrage with Bosnich's comments, firstly you haven't got the first clue whether we need someone who has been in this situation. Also it's a bit different taking over in November, it's not like it's March and we've only got a handful of games left. Secondly I doubt there are many managers looking for an 8 month contract who wouldn't want to continue in the summer.
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Bosnich is a tool of massive proportions
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We needed somebody in who is a proper football man, like Pearson, who knows the league and knows what it is to guide a side to being bottom of the league until April.
You're never going to get out of dire situation of being four points off Bournemouth by playing good attacking, organised football, where your main aim is to try and score more and concede less than the opposition.
That will be Garde's biggest mistake, because he doesn't know the league and he's not English.
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We needed somebody in who is a proper football man, like Pearson, who knows the league and knows what it is to guide a side to being bottom of the league until April.
You're never going to get out of dire situation of being four points off Bournemouth by playing good attacking, organised football, where your main aim is to try and score more and concede less than the opposition.
That will be Garde's biggest mistake, because he doesn't know the league and he's not English.
And he won't be able to do it on a wet Wednesday night in Bolton Wigan Burnley Watford.
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Why should Villa have a UK manager? For the last 100 years or so we have give more to British footballers than probably any other club. Have we not supplied the England national team with more players than anyone else?
We have given young managers like Turner, Little, Gregory, Lambert and Sherwood big jobs in my life time. As well as them we have employed many other British managers while others have looked abroad. I remember Gregory fielding an entire English team once when the fashion was to shop overseas.
Nobody else would have been as patient as we were while Lambert broke every unwanted record going. Sherwood's rotten form started last season and it was plainly obvious he had lost compete control and didn't have a clue what to do.
While Watford, Southampton and West Ham amongst others have no good Jonny foreigners we must apoint the next useless British candidate.
These bloody pundits need to look at the bigger picture and research things before they are spouting nonsense on the TV.
excellent post Ian
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My apologies for not reading the preceding 9 pages, but can I say how good the pundits are on BT Sport's Goals Show for the champions league nights.
They're journalists plus Howard Webb anchored by James Richardson. I've been a big fan of the guardian podcast for years, because they are not afraid to have an alternative view and indeed take the piss out of the pantomime that is modern football. Whilst slightly less piss taking - after all they've paid a lot of money for the broadcasting rights - their observations are still very erudite and much more likely to ignore the usual agenda.
I recommend it.
I always loved Channel Four's Football Italia. James Richardson looked so cool sitting outside Italian cafes reading the Gazetta De La Sport headlines.
i was going to mention football Italia- it was a slick presentation, but the football was slow and mostly boring as fuck. There was another guy on there Guiaullme sp? Someone or other who had all the stats to hand aswell? Channel 4 did really well with it, as they also did when they had the cricket before sky got it after the 2005 ashes win.
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My apologies for not reading the preceding 9 pages, but can I say how good the pundits are on BT Sport's Goals Show for the champions league nights.
They're journalists plus Howard Webb anchored by James Richardson. I've been a big fan of the guardian podcast for years, because they are not afraid to have an alternative view and indeed take the piss out of the pantomime that is modern football. Whilst slightly less piss taking - after all they've paid a lot of money for the broadcasting rights - their observations are still very erudite and much more likely to ignore the usual agenda.
I recommend it.
I always loved Channel Four's Football Italia. James Richardson looked so cool sitting outside Italian cafes reading the Gazetta De La Sport headlines.
i was going to mention football Italia- it was a slick presentation, but the football was slow and mostly boring as fuck. There was another guy on there Guiaullme sp? Someone or other who had all the stats to hand aswell? Channel 4 did really well with it, as they also did when they had the cricket before sky got it after the 2005 ashes win.
I liked the football. I've recently re-watched lots of English, Spanish and Italian football from the 90s and Christ almighty, England was fun and chaotic but my God was it bad. Embarrassing actually.
I also miss cricket on 4. They went out with a bang with that series, in spite of Mark Nicholas.
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
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My apologies for not reading the preceding 9 pages, but can I say how good the pundits are on BT Sport's Goals Show for the champions league nights.
They're journalists plus Howard Webb anchored by James Richardson. I've been a big fan of the guardian podcast for years, because they are not afraid to have an alternative view and indeed take the piss out of the pantomime that is modern football. Whilst slightly less piss taking - after all they've paid a lot of money for the broadcasting rights - their observations are still very erudite and much more likely to ignore the usual agenda.
I recommend it.
I always loved Channel Four's Football Italia. James Richardson looked so cool sitting outside Italian cafes reading the Gazetta De La Sport headlines.
i was going to mention football Italia- it was a slick presentation, but the football was slow and mostly boring as fuck. There was another guy on there Guiaullme sp? Someone or other who had all the stats to hand aswell? Channel 4 did really well with it, as they also did when they had the cricket before sky got it after the 2005 ashes win.
I liked the football. I've recently re-watched lots of English, Spanish and Italian football from the 90s and Christ almighty, England was fun and chaotic but my God was it bad. Embarrassing actually.
I also miss cricket on 4. They went out with a bang with that series, in spite of Mark Nicholas.
Echo that.
Echo that.
:D
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
alright Dave, calm down lad.
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Is this a Scouse off?
In which case, can I tell you to turn it in lid.
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
Golaço
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I can't wait to see how many of these 'expert' pundits start touting Sherwood when the next big managers job become's availble.
Its funny that you dont hear Lamberts name being linked to anything, anywhere!
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We needed somebody in who is a proper football man, like Pearson, who knows the league and knows what it is to guide a side to being bottom of the league until April.
You're never going to get out of dire situation of being four points off Bournemouth by playing good attacking, organised football, where your main aim is to try and score more and concede less than the opposition.
That will be Garde's biggest mistake, because he doesn't know the league and he's not English.
If anything Garde has a reputation as being a counter attacking style manager - I would have thought this is ideal for our current situation.
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I suspect Ads may have been joking.
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I can't wait to see how many of these 'expert' pundits start touting Sherwood when the next big managers job become's availble.
Its funny that you dont hear Lamberts name being linked to anything, anywhere!
I would not be surprised if Timboreland ends up at QPR now Ramsey has got the tin tack...
UTV
The Doc
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I can't wait to see how many of these 'expert' pundits start touting Sherwood when the next big managers job become's availble.
Its funny that you dont hear Lamberts name being linked to anything, anywhere!
I would not be surprised if Timboreland ends up at QPR now Ramsey has got the tin tack...
UTV
The Doc
Before the season is out for sure
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
Golaço
Correct that it originates from the Portuguese, but apparently the bloke who wrote the theme tune always thought of it as 'golaccio' when putting it together
"With Bravo's Football Italia featuring the classic opening credits, as it originally did on Channel 4, complete with shouts of 'Gol, lazoo ...' or something, can anyone clarify what is actually shouted at the end of the music, and what does it mean in English?" asks Andy Beill.
Many thanks, bizarrely, to the British Council's website for scotching the theories of those claiming it had something to do with Gazza's arrival at Lazio, and divulging the real answer: "When Channel 4 televised live Italian football in the 1990s the opening credits had a typical piece of Italian commentary exclaiming 'Golaccio!!!'" it notes. "Interestingly, although this phrase sounds Italian it isn't. It actually comes from a kind of folk memory of what Latin commentators sound like. Programme makers Chrysalis reveal that the man who wrote the theme music, Steve Duberry, 'sort of imagined it from a phantom Brazilian/Italian memory' and recorded it as part of the music. If you had to translate it, it would be something like 'goaltastic!'."
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I suspect Ads may have been joking.
Clearly you don't know him. He's dead straight serious.
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
Golaço
Goal.
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
Golaço
Goal.
Back of the net
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The owl onion bag.
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Oh
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Is it me or are these getting worse?
No.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/3/10/1236701259179/greavsie-001.jpg)
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Is it me or are these getting worse?
No.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/3/10/1236701259179/greavsie-001.jpg)
Fucking hell - they were dire. The original Little and Large of the football world.
Like the Beano brought to life transposed onto television.
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Saint & Greavsie was ace. I won't have a bad word said about it.
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So is the Beano. Won't have a word said against it. Is Ads really dead. Serious?
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Little and Large were ace. Won't have a bad word said against them.
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I suspect Ads may have been joking.
Clearly you don't know him. He's dead straight serious.
He's a lawyer. We don't have a sense of humour, as my missus never ceases to remind me.
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That was brilliant. I wasn't expecting to say that.
Tony Daley on the credits, loads of Villa interest, b-lose lost and Greavsie was hilarious.
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That was brilliant. I wasn't expecting to say that.
Tony Daley on the credits, loads of Villa interest, b-lose lost and Greavsie was hilarious.
The Dave Bassett/Big Ron joke was superb. Brought back so many good memories of when I just enjoyed football.
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That was brilliant. I wasn't expecting to say that.
Tony Daley on the credits, loads of Villa interest, b-lose lost and Greavsie was hilarious.
The Dave Bassett/Big Ron joke was superb. Brought back so many good memories of when I just enjoyed football.
Prophetic too. They actually did win the Rumbelow's Cup and get promoted that season. Not sure if they were champions.
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My apologies for not reading the preceding 9 pages, but can I say how good the pundits are on BT Sport's Goals Show for the champions league nights.
They're journalists plus Howard Webb anchored by James Richardson. I've been a big fan of the guardian podcast for years, because they are not afraid to have an alternative view and indeed take the piss out of the pantomime that is modern football. Whilst slightly less piss taking - after all they've paid a lot of money for the broadcasting rights - their observations are still very erudite and much more likely to ignore the usual agenda.
I recommend it.
I always loved Channel Four's Football Italia. James Richardson looked so cool sitting outside Italian cafes reading the Gazetta De La Sport headlines.
i was going to mention football Italia- it was a slick presentation, but the football was slow and mostly boring as fuck. There was another guy on there Guiaullme sp? Someone or other who had all the stats to hand aswell? Channel 4 did really well with it, as they also did when they had the cricket before sky got it after the 2005 ashes win.
Do you remember when they had a period of having The Times writer, Brian Glanville (?sp) on to tell some mafia related tale about Italian football back in the old days. He was more like a Harry Enfield character but strangely entertaining.
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Pundits in general are rarely more insightful than the average man in the street.
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The Absolute Game used to have a Bruno Glanvilla column with Scottish football written about in the style of Glanville describing Italian.
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
I always used to think they were extremely biased and it was Go Lazio!
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Goooooaalazzzzooooo!
Golaccio
I always used to think they were extremely biased and it was Go Lazio!
You about me both.
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I quite like Kevin Kilbane and don't mind Danny Murphy too much
Yeah out of the recent crop I think these two are the best. Their down to earth, and offer good insight, and seem to have a sense of humour too.
My thing with the lead poster here is that how could they were as players doesn't really have anything to do with if they are good pundits or not. The Kilbane thing proves that, even if he wasn't the best player, he has played at a high level, had good experience, and is able to speak in an engaging way about those experiences, whereas Shearer who was a much better player doesn't seem to have grasp that concept.
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So is the Beano. Won't have a word said against it. Is Ads really dead. Serious?
No, he's been smuggled out of the country by his wealthy pals, had facial reconstruction, and will be running for the next president of FIFA.
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Who was the co-commentator on the Salford game last night? It sounded suspiciously like either Jenas or Sinclair but I couldn't tell from the clip I saw.
Now I know it was a massive shock and what makes the cup but since when have the supposedly unbiased broadcasters been allowed to go shout 'yes get in' when a goal is scored?!
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There was an interesting moment on 5live with Chapman, Roberts et al on the Sunday when Sherwood got sacked. Inbetween spending ages discussing the nuances of a Manchester derby, with insight and research, they gave Villa a good 5-10 minutes I think.
At one point one of them, I think Jason Roberts, got stuck into Villa a bit - saying it was a place where you always went thinking 'a good twenty minutes and their fans will get on their back', easy away win etc. Without reflecting whether this was true of most clubs or not, they started reciting the same old pro-Sherwood clichés and expectation lines.
Then I think Roberts realised he'd gone a bit far, and started to big up Villa as a big club, obviously Chapman showed his disdain, and he said 'why are you making that face'. Chapman got all flustered about it.
I thought that in that moment the thin veil of respect came down and we saw what we all knew - the pundits and broadcasters, whether its the BBC, Sky or wherever, don't really give a toss about Villa and don't see us ever doing anything or being worth their time. We don't compete for airtime and don't merit journalists actually doing their job properly. In fact, since Sherwood left I don't think I've heard anyone say something I actually agree with or think makes sense regarding Villa.
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I'm sure it's been mentioned before but Adrian Durham knows his onions and often bigs us up. I know his remit on Talksport is to be controversial and wind people up but he's a lot more intelligent and erudite than most other pundits I can think of, especially ex-footballers. Although saying that if your co-host is Darren Gough it's not hard to sound like the brains of the operation.
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There was an interesting moment on 5live with Chapman, Roberts et al on the Sunday when Sherwood got sacked. Inbetween spending ages discussing the nuances of a Manchester derby, with insight and research, they gave Villa a good 5-10 minutes I think.
At one point one of them, I think Jason Roberts, got stuck into Villa a bit - saying it was a place where you always went thinking 'a good twenty minutes and their fans will get on their back', easy away win etc. Without reflecting whether this was true of most clubs or not, they started reciting the same old pro-Sherwood clichés and expectation lines.
Then I think Roberts realised he'd gone a bit far, and started to big up Villa as a big club, obviously Chapman showed his disdain, and he said 'why are you making that face'. Chapman got all flustered about it.
I thought that in that moment the thin veil of respect came down and we saw what we all knew - the pundits and broadcasters, whether its the BBC, Sky or wherever, don't really give a toss about Villa and don't see us ever doing anything or being worth their time. We don't compete for airtime and don't merit journalists actually doing their job properly. In fact, since Sherwood left I don't think I've heard anyone say something I actually agree with or think makes sense regarding Villa.
I heard Roberts saying that about us and got really pissed off, knowing it was absolute bollux. It was just a clichéd story that you could apply to any club...and what followed was embarrassing broadcasting and again confirmed how narrow-minded and twattish these "experts" can be.
I can hardly believe how some of them make a living out of doing what they do.
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Criticism of Sherwood has come from blogs written by fans from what I have seen. The mainstream narrative on Sky and the BBC is the one most people will hear though; not given enough time; had players sold from under him; replacements bought that he did not want and so on.
We had just lost 6 league games in a row over a pretty generous set of fixtures, showed no signs of improving and Tim was starting to throw players under the bus. He had to go - and my question to anyone saying that he wasn't given enough time after leading us to our worst ever start to a league campaign would be "Would you have him managing your team?" I suspect I know the answer to that one.
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I'm sure I heard Dion Dublin this morning when asked about Garde being inexperienced, he said something along the lines of "he's had some experience as Assistant Manager at Lyon".
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Who was the co-commentator on the Salford game last night? It sounded suspiciously like either Jenas or Sinclair but I couldn't tell from the clip I saw.
Now I know it was a massive shock and what makes the cup but since when have the supposedly unbiased broadcasters been allowed to go shout 'yes get in' when a goal is scored?!
Ah, now, I have no problem with a co-commentator being biased, they are often associated with one club or the other anyway. As long as the main commentator is neutral then the pundit can say what he likes for me.
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I don't remember us complaining about bias when Clough was saying "we" and "us" in 1982.
Or the totally neutral commentating on this shoot-out.
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Be nice to have some good words said about the villa. Or some good football to warrant them
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Graeme Souness. Does he get paid to spout this utter nonsense?
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Souness never got over selling Dean saunders to us and then seeing him shaft the Liverpool defence straight away on his home debut
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Pundits being nicely shamed.
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There was an interesting moment on 5live with Chapman, Roberts et al on the Sunday when Sherwood got sacked. Inbetween spending ages discussing the nuances of a Manchester derby, with insight and research, they gave Villa a good 5-10 minutes I think.
At one point one of them, I think Jason Roberts, got stuck into Villa a bit - saying it was a place where you always went thinking 'a good twenty minutes and their fans will get on their back', easy away win etc. Without reflecting whether this was true of most clubs or not, they started reciting the same old pro-Sherwood clichés and expectation lines.
Then I think Roberts realised he'd gone a bit far, and started to big up Villa as a big club, obviously Chapman showed his disdain, and he said 'why are you making that face'. Chapman got all flustered about it.
'Chappers' needs choking. Fawning sycophant. You can tell he so desperately wants to be friends with the ex players.
Licence payer funded bilge. He is a northern Tim Lovejoy.
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fuck I'd forgotten about him and that funny little bald man he pals up with in a studio kitchen. What a pair of tools.
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jingoistic nonsense discussion on MOTD between the presenter and mainly Jenas on Arsenal's struggles today being down to the lack of English men on the team.
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The best bit of punditry typically was from Sir GT - basically said he didn't know much about Remi but he had asked around people who did know him and he was hopeful - research hey :-)
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"The manager has just been sacked when you've sold Benteke, sold Delph, lost Vlaar and nearly got relegated with those players, and you've brought in worse players and expect better results...I don't see how that's fair really." Jermaine Jenas - 22nd October.
Last night on MOTD2 (paraphrasing). 'I have never seen such a transformation in a team's performance after one game of a new manager.'
It must be great getting paid for just saying whatever comes into your head at any given moment week to week.
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I don't remember us complaining about bias when Clough was saying "we" and "us" in 1982.
Or the totally neutral commentating on this shoot-out.
Thank you for this. Such a great night - one of my best ever at VP. When Phil 'The King' King scored is was just fantastic.
Say what you want about BFR, but we played some great football under him. I walways felt we were on the brink and Ellis just didn't have the guts to go the extra mile. If he had, who knows where we could be now.
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"The manager has just been sacked when you've sold Benteke, sold Delph, lost Vlaar and nearly got relegated with those players, and you've brought in worse players and expect better results...I don't see how that's fair really." Jermaine Jenas - 22nd October.
Last night on MOTD2 (paraphrasing). 'I have never seen such a transformation in a team's performance after one game of a new manager.'
It must be great getting paid for just saying whatever comes into your head at any given moment week to week.
I thought Jenas on MOTD2 seemed actually shocked and amazed at the transformation last night. Considering what he'd said about TS I thought he could have said something to support his previous position but he didn't so fair play to him. Keown also said positive things about Remi Garde which was good to hear (I wonder what he'd be like as a defensive coach?).
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"The manager has just been sacked when you've sold Benteke, sold Delph, lost Vlaar and nearly got relegated with those players, and you've brought in worse players and expect better results...I don't see how that's fair really." Jermaine Jenas - 22nd October.
Last night on MOTD2 (paraphrasing). 'I have never seen such a transformation in a team's performance after one game of a new manager.'
It must be great getting paid for just saying whatever comes into your head at any given moment week to week.
I thought Jenas on MOTD2 seemed actually shocked and amazed at the transformation last night. Considering what he'd said about TS I thought he could have said something to support his previous position but he didn't so fair play to him. Keown also said positive things about Remi Garde which was good to hear (I wonder what he'd be like as a defensive coach?).
A grateful one, if the weekend papers are correct.
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"The manager has just been sacked when you've sold Benteke, sold Delph, lost Vlaar and nearly got relegated with those players, and you've brought in worse players and expect better results...I don't see how that's fair really." Jermaine Jenas - 22nd October.
Last night on MOTD2 (paraphrasing). 'I have never seen such a transformation in a team's performance after one game of a new manager.'
It must be great getting paid for just saying whatever comes into your head at any given moment week to week.
I thought Jenas on MOTD2 seemed actually shocked and amazed at the transformation last night. Considering what he'd said about TS I thought he could have said something to support his previous position but he didn't so fair play to him. Keown also said positive things about Remi Garde which was good to hear (I wonder what he'd be like as a defensive coach?).
A grateful one, if the weekend papers are correct.
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"The manager has just been sacked when you've sold Benteke, sold Delph, lost Vlaar and nearly got relegated with those players, and you've brought in worse players and expect better results...I don't see how that's fair really." Jermaine Jenas - 22nd October.
Last night on MOTD2 (paraphrasing). 'I have never seen such a transformation in a team's performance after one game of a new manager.'
It must be great getting paid for just saying whatever comes into your head at any given moment week to week.
I thought Jenas on MOTD2 seemed actually shocked and amazed at the transformation last night. Considering what he'd said about TS I thought he could have said something to support his previous position but he didn't so fair play to him. Keown also said positive things about Remi Garde which was good to hear (I wonder what he'd be like as a defensive coach?).
A grateful one, if the weekend papers are correct.
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He has supposedly lost loads of money due to bad investments (along with others), and presumably needs all the work he can get.
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SportsMole (http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/relegation-battle/news/ray-wilkins-aston-villa-wont-survive_257393.html#$$nxteaz&&ZVtsAIryEeWy4RL/9wgFGw)
Ray Wilkins: 'Aston Villa won't survive'
By Kristian Johnson, Reporter
Filed: Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 15:48 UK
Last Updated: Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 17:03 UK
Former Aston Villa assistant manager Ray Wilkins has predicted that the West Midlands club will be relegated at the end of the season.
The Villans, who have recently appointed Remi Garde as their new manager, are rooted to the foot of the Premier League table and Wilkins has said that it will be "extremely difficult" for them to claw their way back to safety. When asked by BT Sport whether they will stay up this season, Wilkins said: "No. I think it's extremely difficult for them at the moment. "I would love to see them [stay up], because I had a really nice affinity with the guys, but I think where they find themselves at the moment it's going to take a hell of a lot to transfer that into massive points. "I think it's going to be an extremely difficult season for them."
Wilkins joined Tim Sherwood at Aston Villa in the summer, but lasted just four months as he was released from his contract when Sherwood was sacked.
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Fuck off Ray.
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Succinctly put.
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What a ******
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That Ray Wilkins comment, on so many levels, is gobsmacking. I presume he wasn't saying this to the boys when he worked at Bodymoor Heath?
Stick it on the noticeboard Remi and use it to fire the players up.
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So he thinks him and his mate had got us into a hopeless situation whilst simultaneously believing they shouldn't have been sacked?
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Well thank fuck that sort of attitude is out of the club.
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Fucking fat twat wanker !
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Heard him on TalkSport the other day talking to Alan Brazil and he was saying whatever he could to undermine Garde, stuff like "the boys were bound to be low when he came in as they loved Tim so much," "They are all incredibly physically fit," etc. Just anything to contradict any of Garde's initial observations. It was pathetic and I lost what little respect I had for him immediately.
And Alan Brazil, what a truly hateable twat.
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Another fat bellend who spends most of the time spouting shit about lording it up with celebs and drinking champagne. Fuck off you detestable that.
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The players must be distraught at being organised into an effective, point winning unit inside 5 days by the unproven foreigner. Beside themselves.
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Another fat bellend who spends most of the time spouting shit about lording it up with celebs and drinking champagne. Fuck off you detestable that.
You did well to hold yourself back at the end there.
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I always think of these pundits like Wilkins...the amount of b***ocks and lazy cliches they spout on radio and tv time and again and yet they keep getting prominent positions in Football. What makes people think they suddenly start saying insightful and logical things on the training pitch and dressing room?
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The players must be distraught at being organised into an effective, point winning unit inside 5 days by the unproven foreigner. Beside themselves.
I love this succinct analysis of how much a wanker Wilkins must be to try to comment about what amounts to his doing in the face of this evidence, which even Jenas recognised.
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Iwas actually pleased when Wilkins was taken on, but thank feck he is out if that is the way he feels.
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He accepts no responsibility for our current plight whatsoever. Complete ostrich. I used to like him but now I realize that he's a sound bite has been.
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He certainly aint my buddy no more, boring cockernee twat
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His behaviour at Chelsea a few weeks ago told me all I need to know about his desire to improve Aston Villa.
The ultimate con man. Happy to turn up at Bodymoor and pick up a big cheque for doing bugger all. He wouldn't have lost any sleep over Villa being relegated.
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Another fat bellend who spends most of the time spouting shit about lording it up with celebs and drinking champagne. Fuck off you detestable that.
You did well to hold yourself back at the end there.
Although it does give a new meaning to the expression "this, that and the other".
The fat fuckwit has gone now, but questions about the grey matter of those who created the conditions for his appointment remain.
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Another fat bellend who spends most of the time spouting shit about lording it up with celebs and drinking champagne. Fuck off you detestable that.
You did well to hold yourself back at the end there.
Saved by predictive text :)
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the consensus seems to be that you should give a manager as long as it takes to be mathematically certain of relegation before firing him/her. I see that Tim has turned down the Blackburn job, thus paving the way for TSM2.Obviously the £2m compo and odd bits of punditry is preferable to trying to manage again.
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the consensus seems to be that you should give a manager as long as it takes to be mathematically certain of relegation before firing him/her. I see that Tim has turned down the Blackburn job, thus paving the way for TSM2.Obviously the £2m compo and odd bits of punditry is preferable to trying to manage again.
I think he is hoping to get one of the London vacancies, and take them into a lower division ;D
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Martin laursen spoke very well again about villa and said it was his best time in his career. He also outright said it was right for Tim Sherwood to be sacked and it gives plently of time to turn the situation around. It was on talk sport on Saturday morning.
Laursen was a great player and is q decent pundit too.
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the consensus seems to be that you should give a manager as long as it takes to be mathematically certain of relegation before firing him/her. I see that Tim has turned down the Blackburn job, thus paving the way for TSM2.Obviously the £2m compo and odd bits of punditry is preferable to trying to manage again.
Sometimes, sacked Managers have it written into their contracts that they cannot work for another club for a particular period of time or they lose compo. Shame really, because the dream team of Sherwood, Ramsey and Wilkins would have had Blackburn roaring up the table to, well, probably around 20th.
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the consensus seems to be that you should give a manager as long as it takes to be mathematically certain of relegation before firing him/her. I see that Tim has turned down the Blackburn job, thus paving the way for TSM2.Obviously the £2m compo and odd bits of punditry is preferable to trying to manage again.
Sometimes, sacked Managers have it written into their contracts that they cannot work for another club for a particular period of time or they lose compo. Shame really, because the dream team of Sherwood, Ramsey and Wilkins would have had Blackburn roaring up the table to, well, probably around 20th.
They'd have definitely had them as a top 4 team.
Top 4 in league on at the start of next season on alphabetical order that is.
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the consensus seems to be that you should give a manager as long as it takes to be mathematically certain of relegation before firing him/her. I see that Tim has turned down the Blackburn job, thus paving the way for TSM2.Obviously the £2m compo and odd bits of punditry is preferable to trying to manage again.
"No chance of Tim Sherwood taking a lower league job. Tim Sherwood only does Premier League".
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the consensus seems to be that you should give a manager as long as it takes to be mathematically certain of relegation before firing him/her. I see that Tim has turned down the Blackburn job, thus paving the way for TSM2.Obviously the £2m compo and odd bits of punditry is preferable to trying to manage again.
"No chance of Tim Sherwood taking a lower league job. Tim Sherwood only does Premier League".
Oh no, see Rovers have found themselves a much better canidate to turn their fortures around...
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Heard him on TalkSport the other day talking to Alan Brazil and he was saying whatever he could to undermine Garde, stuff like "the boys were bound to be low when he came in as they loved Tim so much," "They are all incredibly physically fit," etc. Just anything to contradict any of Garde's initial observations. It was pathetic and I lost what little respect I had for him immediately.
And Alan Brazil, what a truly hateable twat.
Two extremely fat and thick bellends. One is Chelsea, you don't need to say anything more and the other is still bitter about us beating his media darlings to the league all of 35 years ago. Booze is something else they have in common
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I don't mind Talksport that much but Alan Brazil's show is one I just can't bear to listen to.
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Guess the thick, 'money for old rope', old boy network pundit: "I know Tim well, and I know he knows what the Premier League is all about - all 13 of those players were not his buys"
Answer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35088746 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35088746)
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Incredible knowledge and foresight from Sheila there. How does he do it?
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For cough Mary Poppins you elbow waving thick Jaw Dee dork brained wassock. I hope your tiny testicles drop off and roll down a drain ya pustular excrescence of a dung beetle.
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For cough Mary Poppins you elbow waving thick Jaw Dee dork brained wassock. I hope your tiny testicles drop off and roll down a drain ya pustular excrescence of a dung beetle.
Top rant, with bonus points for the use of wassock. I can never decide if it's with double s or wazzock.
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Actually it derives from the Old Saxon whoresuck which I think was a prostitute's cough drop.
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Double S it is then. Maybe the default English spell checker at work being US English is grinding me down and that's why I'm thinking it should be Zs
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When I lived in Sheffield it was definitely wazzock.
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When I lived in Egypt it was definitely Whazzooki. I shouted it many times at KEA.
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I think I first heard it used by that Black Country duo who had a radio show on a local station and whose names infuriatingly elude me, but I could well be wrong as I fear the old little grey cells are misfiring these days, and I may be getting what my Kansan ex mother in law called "sometimers".
I give 2 thumbs up to "whoresuck which I think was a prostitute's cough drop" and marvel at its etymological elegance.
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Tony Cascarino has just described Chelsea as an "empire".
I had to change channels - my Son enquired who he was, to which I replied he was one of the worst players I've seen play for the Villa.
Unbelievably, his punditry is even worse.
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I wonder if they'll be talking up Sherwood for the Chelsea job, because English managers deserve a chance and all that
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I wonder if they'll be talking up Sherwood for the Chelsea job, because English managers deserve a chance and all that
More chance of us winning the league this season.
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Tony Cascarino has just described Chelsea as an "empire".
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Can I just say, I fucking cant stand Micky Quinn. What a hateful gobshite. I have been out with the father in law this morning and he had talkshite on in the car. To listen to him you would think Newcastle and Liverpool have dominated football for the last 25 years. Oh, and he once scored a hatrick against arsenal in case he hadn't told everyone 50 times this morning. Prick.