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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: KRS on October 18, 2015, 05:32:45 AM
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Admittedly this is purely press speculation, but even though the television media appear to be supportive of Sherwood, the written media appears to be very much in favour of a managerial change despite there being no direct quotes from Moyes of any interest in replacing the current incompetent:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/470702/Exclusive-Ex-Man-Utd-Everton-manager-David-Moyes-wants-Aston-Villa-job
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-moyes-fancies-aston-managers-6654513
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-gossip-one-10282207
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/612469/David-Moyes-Tim-Sherwood-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News-Gossip
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/612790/Ex-Manchester-United-boss-David-Moyes-Aston-Villa-job
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/real-sociedad-coach-david-moyes-keen-to-hear-from-aston-villa-4100368
Personally I'd have made the change at the start of the International break, but unfortunately I'm not wealthy or priviledged enough to be the owner or custodian of a Premier League club. If we were mid-table with aspirations of taking us to the next level then I'd have taken a chance on Frank de Boer, but given our current predicament and requirement to stay in the Premier League, then I would adopt the simple strategy of appointing a manager that has proven Premier League experience and more than likely to secure Premier League survival amidst other potential candidates.
I may be more than a slightly bit drunk...so please forgive any spelling mistakes caused by or corrected by autocorrect, but ladies and gentleman...I propose the case for David Moyes (despite failing at Man Utd (arguably too big a club for him) and Real Sociedad (arguably not doing too good))...however could he be a good fit at Villa?
I'm going to pass out now and hope I don't piss myself in my sleep. Thank you...and good night! :)
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Admittedly this is purely press speculation, but even though the television media appear to be supportive of Sherwood, the written media appears to be very much in favour of a managerial change despite there being no direct quotes from Moyes of any interest in replacing the current incompetent:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/470702/Exclusive-Ex-Man-Utd-Everton-manager-David-Moyes-wants-Aston-Villa-job
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/David quotes QTS
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-gossip-one-10282207
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/612469/David-Moyes-Tim-Sherwood-Aston-Villa-Transfer-News-Gossip
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/612790/Ex-Manchester-United-boss-David-Moyes-Aston-Villa-job
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/real-sociedad-coach-david-moyes-keen-to-hear-from-aston-villa-4100368
Personally I'd have made the change at the start of the International break, but unfortunately I'm not wealthy or priviledged enough to be the owner or custodian of a Premier League club. If we were mid-table with aspirations of taking us to the next level then I'd have taken a chance on Frank de Boer, but given our current predicament and requirement to stay in the Premier League, then I would adopt the simple strategy of appointing a manager that has proven Premier League experience and more than likely to secure Premier League survival amidst other potential candidates.
I may be more than a slightly bit drunk...so please forgive any spelling mistakes caused by or corrected by autocorrect, but ladies and gentleman...I propose the case for David Moyes (despite failing at Man Utd (arguably too big a club for him) and Real Sociedad (arguably not doing too good))...however could he be a good fit at Villa?
I'm going to pass out now and hope I don't piss myself in my sleep. Thank you...and good night! :)
I would have preferred Moyes two years ago but we are in serious trouble and need a professional manager to get us out of it before it is too late.Plenty of time for him to do that and he is the on the only decent alternative to this amateur we have employed.Over to you MrLerner!
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Did not think too much of him at Everton as he was another dour "result grinding" manager. United showed him up and now he is struggling at the foot of the Spanish league. I would Imagine he has technically gifted players at sociadad so his coaching ability and management has left them floundering. Not for me
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Did not think too much of him at Everton as he was another dour "result grinding" manager. United showed him up and now he is struggling at the foot of the Spanish league. I would Imagine he has technically gifted players at sociadad so his coaching ability and management has left them floundering. Not for me
Me either, I dont think he is a safe option at all.
I would hope the club has finally learnt their lesson and will set their sights a bit higher this time.
Still if he came obviously I would get behind him, he is nowhere near my first choice though.
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We'd have crawled in our hands and knees to Goodison Park and begged him to come 2 years ago. He's our best and most realistic option at this point. If we went down with him he'd be the perfect person to get us back up. Go get him...
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I hope you woke up dry and sober. I am afraid the Moyes thing is just kite flying. I personally cannot see him wanting to come to Villa and there is no evidence that he wants to. Our plight is too serious for wish lists.
That we must replace Sherwood is staring us in the face but we have form for leaving change too late. Unless we are prepared to spend big on a manager we will have to sift through the candidates willing to come and lie on the Villa Park bed of nails. If I had to bet on the future I expect they will give Sherwood until Christmas then bring in a manager who will be largely derided on here and in the wider fan base.
Our fundamental problem is that you cannot turn back time. We are four time losers in the manager selection game, five times if you include allowing Martin O'Neill to run amok with a club cheque book then fail to see his premeditated strike coming. Apart from the difficulty of finding a quality manager who can win games, the endless defeats have reduced the fans to a level of performance intolerance not seen for decades at Villa Park. All of the fan goodwill that was built up by Randy Lerner's early time has been squandered by managerial selection blunders of increasing stupidity. Apart from Paul Lambert who morphed at Villa Park, the other manager choices were wild throws of the dice. Houllier was sick, McLeish was a serial relegator with a mountain of baggage and Sherwood was, and remains a construct of his media mates with no substance beneath the vanity.
So, will it be Moyes? I doubt it. I don't think he fancies drinking in the last chance saloon and anybody who does will get a very rough ride from all quarters. Some of the Benteke money should have been set aside to buy us the right man but that would have taken foresight a quality not much in evidence for the last five years.
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if all that is true Brian, we are irredeemably lost and destined for oblivion ; there simply must be some kind of way out of here.
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I want us to become hard to beat again, miserly at the back and to make VP a place sides don't want to come.
I don't care about free flowing football in terms of where we are now. To turn our situation is going to need hard work and organisation - the frills will have to wait for a couple of years.
Moyes fits the bill for me if we can get him.
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I am fairly confident that Sherwood will go shortly whether we beat Swansea or not.The club owner would like to sell but it appears his wish will not be granted.Therefore he will want the club to stay where the money is.He will want an organised defensive manager who will be cheap to obtain.It doesn't matter what we want we don't own the club.
I wouldn't be surprised if David Moyes comes in a lot sooner than you may think!
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I think there is Mr U. The problem is that it is going to be very painful. It will involve the appointment of a man few of us will like and that man getting back to fundamentals with the players. Hard work and discipline will have to be the order of the day. No more goal keeping howlers, no soft goals, no more featherweight midfield, no more Westwood taking corners and set pieces, no more Gestede over Kozak just for the sake of favouritism. There is a Ron Saunders out there somewhere. All we have to do is find him.
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I think there is Mr U. The problem is that it is going to be very painful. It will involve the appointment of a man few of us will like and that man getting back to fundamentals with the players. Hard work and discipline will have to be the order of the day. No more goal keeping howlers, no soft goals, no more featherweight midfield, no more Westwood taking corners and set pieces, no more Gestede over Kozak just for the sake of favouritism. There is a Ron Saunders out there somewhere. All we have to do is find him.
Brian, you mean take a punt on someone? Isn't that what we've been doing?
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I think what Brian is stating is that for once the people at the club who appoint the Manager, should do their bloody homework and not appoint one of the media boys mates, actually look at what the person has achieved, not what the press tell you he has or is going to.
Our want for stylish football (hahahaha), may have to go on the back burner while a spine of a team is assembled and then built round.
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I'd be up for some dour, result grinding 4th, 5th or 6th place finishes about now. Hell, breaching that forty point barrier would be a dream.
Get that private jet over to Spain.
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Just our luck Newcastle will poach him first.
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Great posts Brian. However, I think you may have just described Tony Pulis!
I honestly haven't a clue who would want the job. Ancelloti, Bielsa appear fanciful. Rodgers and Redknapp seems underwhelming. Dyche and Rowett are the gamble. I wonder if Mark Hughes is the type of in between solid person we settle for? Cue the 'no way' comments!!
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I'd be up for some dour, result grinding 4th, 5th or 6th place finishes about now. Hell, breaching that forty point barrier would be a dream.
Get that private jet over to Spain.
Well we can all agree on that. I would hope the jet was headed to pick up Toral from Villareal though :)
(http://b.smimg.net/14/06/300x225/marcelino-garcia-toral-villarreal.jpg)
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Did not think too much of him at Everton as he was another dour "result grinding" manager. United showed him up and now he is struggling at the foot of the Spanish league. I would Imagine he has technically gifted players at sociadad so his coaching ability and management has left them floundering. Not for me
A result grinding manager is exactly what we need right now.
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If people are expecting better than moyes in our current state they must be crazy. If we can get him it'd be amazing.
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Moyes,Rodgers....isn't there anyone a bit more inspiring than these two dour arseholes?
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Moyes,Rodgers....isn't there anyone a bit more inspiring than these two dour arseholes?
Look at our current league position and how we have done over the last 4 seasons. We would do well to get either of them in the state we are in.
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What I would like to happen is for us to identify a top quality manager and make him a financial offer he can't refuse. That probably means a foreign manager and sobeit. Moyes, Rodgers, Pearson, each having recent failures to come to terms with would regard our job as getting back on the horse after falling off, whereas we need somebody still in the saddle.
In my mind's eye I see a man (young, old, middle aged) going home after taking training and greeting his wife ( in German, Spanish, French or Swahili) "pack your bags dearest, we are off to England". " England? I like it here. My mother lives here." "She can come with us. They are going to pay me five times what I earn here. Do we have any champagne?"
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Moyes,Rodgers....isn't there anyone a bit more inspiring than these two dour arseholes?
Ron Saunders could have been described as dour. Results are all that matter!
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Brian, would you really lump Pearson in with Rodgers or moyes?
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If also say that somebody with something to prove could be a good thing, so long as it's aligned to them being competent. Moyes certainly fits that bill after his track record with Everton and season at man utd.
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Better than Sherwood, obviously, but what worries me is that the players look depressed and in need of a lift and a spark - and Moyes is in no way the type of manager to provide that.
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I am fairly confident that Sherwood will go shortly whether we beat Swansea or not.The club owner would like to sell but it appears his wish will not be granted.Therefore he will want the club to stay where the money is.He will want an organised defensive manager who will be cheap to obtain.It doesn't matter what we want we don't own the club.
I wouldn't be surprised if David Moyes comes in a lot sooner than you may think!
I also think that Fox will act sooner rather than later.
To Brian's point about TS' appointment, Fox would probably claim that the club did its due diligence on him. No matter: he's a dud.
Moyes is not the only choice, but I think we have to accept that ours is a job that has very few upsides - the last 5-6 years have made us very unattractive. Nonetheless, Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe and perhaps Frank de Boer might be persuaded. The real issue is do it early, to give the new management team the best possible opportunity to get these players playing to their potential.
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What I would like to happen is for us to identify a top quality manager and make him a financial offer he can't refuse. That probably means a foreign manager and sobeit. Moyes, Rodgers, Pearson, each having recent failures to come to terms with would regard our job as getting back on the horse after falling off, whereas we need somebody still in the saddle.
In my mind's eye I see a man (young, old, middle aged) going home after taking training and greeting his wife ( in German, Spanish, French or Swahili) "pack your bags dearest, we are off to England". " England? I like it here. My mother lives here." "She can come with us. They are going to pay me five times what I earn here. Do we have any champagne?"
Brian Could you explain to the posters how Pearson failed? Exactly the opposite I would have thought.We may not want him for non footballing reasons but he saved Leicester from relegation with a series of wins in the latter part of last season.Failure I don't think so!
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When Lamberk was on the brink of going, I said anyone could do a better job than him, well we got anyone and form wise we are worse off.
The chances of these guys running the place picking the right manager are slim to none I'm afraid.
Facts are, we are a very very bad football team, we have been stinking out the the league for half a decade, in all honesty, we don't really deserve to be playing in this league anymore. Maybe we need to be playing at our level now.
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If people are expecting better than moyes in our current state they must be crazy. If we can get him it'd be amazing.
This for me too! We're on the ropes here.......
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I am not a fan of Moyse but at this stage I would rather have someone who knows the League and can organise a proper team from this squad rather than a very good foreign coach who will take 10 games to find his feet.
I am afraid we have backed ourselves into a very tight corner once again.
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I think who really would want the villa job anyway we have become run of the mill over the years
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If people are expecting better than moyes in our current state they must be crazy. If we can get him it'd be amazing.
This for me too! We're on the ropes here.......
Indeed. Moyes would see us safe. That would be some achievement the way Sherbert has us playing.
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I would agree to the proposition that we should pay top dollar and more for a genuine top draw manager, the problem with that is that they would want a war chest in the tens of millions come January something that our owner would not countenance. They have a reputation to keep and to take on a struggling club with a recent history of failures and little money to spend, dream on.
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We should not live in dream land ....NO big name manager would even consider Aston Villa these days so lets het in the real world
Sherwood will either be gone this week or after we fail to beat Swansea so the new man will have 28 games
The choice is simple ...you have to go for an out of work manager with premiership experience ....I am not sure Rodgers would even consider Villa
The other option is tempt someone from over seas with Premier experience ....Moyes
We have to remember where we currently are, many don't wish to come to our city and we are a club up for sale
Sherwood need to go and NOW but its not that easy bringing in someone who will appeal to us because they are either not available or won't come
What we can't do is bring in untried managers who have not been in the Premier before - if we do we have some new grounds to visit next season
And finally we need to shut the Birmingham Mail up - they are already asking will we swap places with that other small time club - NO because they won't come up
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I've been saying for a while Moyes would be a great aappointment in terms of stabilising us but I've just had a look at Sociedad's start and it's not much better than ours and they haven't played any of the really big clubs yet. Perhaps he's lost it.
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True, but I'd still trust Moyes to get it right here in the long run. Whether he would turn it around quick enough to save us this season, I'm not 100% sure.
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True, but I'd still trust Moyes to get it right here in the long run. Whether he would turn it around quick enough to save us this season, I'm not 100% sure.
I think he would be more inclined to stay with us if relegated than some of the higher profile managers that I dream we could recruit.
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I want us to become hard to beat again, miserly at the back and to make VP a place sides don't want to come.
I don't care about free flowing football in terms of where we are now. To turn our situation is going to need hard work and organisation - the frills will have to wait for a couple of years.
Moyes fits the bill for me if we can get him.
this. Dont care if we are dour as long as we are hard to beat. I always liked watching everton under him they were an aggressive team which we aint been for donkeys years
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Did not think too much of him at Everton as he was another dour "result grinding" manager. United showed him up and now he is struggling at the foot of the Spanish league. I would Imagine he has technically gifted players at sociadad so his coaching ability and management has left them floundering. Not for me
Me either, I dont think he is a safe option at all.
I would hope the club has finally learnt their lesson and will set their sights a bit higher this time.
Still if he came obviously I would get behind him, he is nowhere near my first choice though.
If you think we're going to get anyone better than moyes in our predicament you're dreaming
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Moyes may well fit the bill for us but do we fit the bill for Moyes?
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I think who really would want the villa job anyway we have become run of the mill over the years
Southampton attracted Pocchetino, a club who were a few years before bankrupt and in the 3rd division.
Watford poached a well thought of coach from the Spanish league, they're a complete nothing club who were in the 2nd division.
We've had a bad 4 years, but let's not have a collective memory like a sieve, things can all change in 12 months. The manager are out there, they will come, we need to sell the club to them and have some ambition.
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Better than Sherwood, obviously, but what worries me is that the players look depressed and in need of a lift and a spark - and Moyes is in no way the type of manager to provide that.
what's your evidence for that? Everton were always highly motivated
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Someone previously used the great word 'industrial' to describe Moyes' way of playing and I fully agree.
I don't think we have the players in our squad suited to an 'industrial' approach.
We haven't got a team of hardened grafters, who can grind out 0-0 draws and narrow home wins.
That type of performance is exactly what was need yesterday, but the players just can't do that.
I think we need someone who recognises that we have a squad of (mainly) capable footballers and a flexible, modern approach to the game could and should get the right results.
Above all, we need someone with experience, not someone learning the ropes.
And yes I know, Moyes is the one who offers that....sigh.
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True, but I'd still trust Moyes to get it right here in the long run. Whether he would turn it around quick enough to save us this season, I'm not 100% sure.
I think he would be more inclined to stay with us if relegated than some of the higher profile managers that I dream we could recruit.
...and he has lower league experience
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I think who really would want the villa job anyway we have become run of the mill over the years
Southampton attracted Pochettino, a club who were a few years before bankrupt and in the 3rd division.
Watford poached a well thought of coach from the Spanish league, they're a complete nothing club who were in the 2nd division.
We've had a bad 4 years, but let's not have a collective memory like a sieve, things can all change in 12 months. The manager are out there, they will come, we need to sell the club to them and have some ambition.
I somehow don't think Pochettino was really in a position to have to be "attracted" - before Southampton, he'd just left a club at the bottom of La Liga. Likewise, with Flores, looking at his Wiki, he'd spent a month at Getafe before quitting, but before that had been spending his time in the footballing backwater that is the UAE, with his last decent gig several years ago. The opportunity to manage a PL team sounds like a pretty decent upgrade to me off that.
Even so, I think you're alluding to something quite relevant here - most managers out there without a job (bar someone like Ancelotti), especially the continental ones, I think would find it hard-pressed to get a better opportunity than a PL club (for now, and going forward if they're good enough to make that happen), especially with the salary on offer. The same probably won't apply to managers currently in a job, of course, but money and a good sell job would help.
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I think who really would want the villa job anyway we have become run of the mill over the years
Southampton attracted Pocchetino, a club who were a few years before bankrupt and in the 3rd division.
Watford poached a well thought of coach from the Spanish league, they're a complete nothing club who were in the 2nd division.
We've had a bad 4 years, but let's not have a collective memory like a sieve, things can all change in 12 months. The manager are out there, they will come, we need to sell the club to them and have some ambition.
we cant afford to gamble on an updand coming foreign manager. They could
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Moyes spent 11 years at Everton, which in this day and age is an outstanding achievement. On the downside he never won a trophy. The main candidates for the job would be Moyes, Rodgers and Pearson and any of those would give us a better chance of avoiding the drop than sticking with Sherwood.
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I think who really would want the villa job anyway we have become run of the mill over the years
Southampton attracted Pocchetino, a club who were a few years before bankrupt and in the 3rd division.
Watford poached a well thought of coach from the Spanish league, they're a complete nothing club who were in the 2nd division.
We've had a bad 4 years, but let's not have a collective memory like a sieve, things can all change in 12 months. The manager are out there, they will come, we need to sell the club to them and have some ambition.
we cant afford to gamble on an updand coming foreign manager. They could
Forgive me if I'm wrong but when Soton appointed Pocchetino they we're near the relegation zone.
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I think so, under Adkins theyd been on a bad run but I'm pretty sure he won his last game in charge, then they gave him the bullet.
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Better than Sherwood, obviously, but what worries me is that the players look depressed and in need of a lift and a spark - and Moyes is in no way the type of manager to provide that.
Actually, I think the opposite is true.
All anyone wants is a manager that knows what he/she is doing. People like to be organised and have clear duties and responsibilities. Moyes would give us that.
I think he's dull though.
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Moyes Is far better than Sherwood probably ever be. I would have Davy moyes in and know the PLAYERS will fight and battle. He's a manager who has experience is what villa need right now and would show the right attitude.having had experience if Everton and man Utd he's right calibre. Moyes would be excellent given circumstances and it seems its been put out there to the press to show that its only a matter of time that Sherwood is gone. Moyes also often bought decent players to fit a type at Everton and is shrewd as a manager. That's what villa need and I welcome moyes with open arms.
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Is this the same dull dour David Moyes MON's big spending couldn't get the better of?
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Moyes spent 11 years at Everton, which in this day and age is an outstanding achievement. On the downside he never won a trophy. The main candidates for the job would be Moyes, Rodgers and Pearson and any of those would give us a better chance of avoiding the drop than sticking with Sherwood.
Moyes is the best fit for Lerner. Kept Everton up comfortably. He never won a trophy but i expect Lerner wouldn't be bothered about that anyway.
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He isn't remotely interested though according to that smug twat who SSN use as their Spanish football Oracle.
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What I would like to happen is for us to identify a top quality manager and make him a financial offer he can't refuse. That probably means a foreign manager and sobeit. Moyes, Rodgers, Pearson, each having recent failures to come to terms with would regard our job as getting back on the horse after falling off, whereas we need somebody still in the saddle.
In my mind's eye I see a man (young, old, middle aged) going home after taking training and greeting his wife ( in German, Spanish, French or Swahili) "pack your bags dearest, we are off to England". " England? I like it here. My mother lives here." "She can come with us. They are going to pay me five times what I earn here. Do we have any champagne?"
Brian Could you explain to the posters how Pearson failed? Exactly the opposite I would have thought.We may not want him for non footballing reasons but he saved Leicester from relegation with a series of wins in the latter part of last season.Failure I don't think so!
Pearson? What about the other 29 games when they got 20 odd points, Before they went on a great run. You may as well compare him to Tim given the short term effect both managers had. Leciester are doing much better without Pearson.
Cant beleive anyone would consider Pearson given he was good for about 10 games. As was Tim
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He isn't remotely interested though according to that smug twat who SSN use as their Spanish football Oracle.
Given how accurate he is, if it's the one I'm thinking of, Moyes probably landed at BHX an hour ago.
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Moyes would be a real coup for us given our current situation on the pitch and in the Boardroom. I think it's the best we could expect under the circumstances.
That's not really in Lerner's Modus Operandi though. We'll probably end up with George Burley.
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Colin Powell would be good - he'd sort these underachieving wankpuppets out.
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I'd be up for some dour, result grinding 4th, 5th or 6th place finishes about now. Hell, breaching that forty point barrier would be a dream.
Get that private jet over to Spain.
Well we can all agree on that. I would hope the jet was headed to pick up Toral from Villareal though :)
(http://b.smimg.net/14/06/300x225/marcelino-garcia-toral-villarreal.jpg)
Although it might put the frighteners on a few of the players I am concerned with the practicalities of having a Vampire as manager.
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I'd be up for some dour, result grinding 4th, 5th or 6th place finishes about now. Hell, breaching that forty point barrier would be a dream.
Get that private jet over to Spain.
Well we can all agree on that. I would hope the jet was headed to pick up Toral from Villareal though :)
(http://b.smimg.net/14/06/300x225/marcelino-garcia-toral-villarreal.jpg)
Although it might put the frighteners on a few of the players I am concerned with the practicalities of having a Vampire as manager.
He wouldn't see many crosses at villa :D
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daylight kick offs wouldn't be much use either
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Moyes,Rodgers....isn't there anyone a bit more inspiring than these two dour arseholes?
Look at our current league position and how we have done over the last 4 seasons. We would do well to get either of them in the state we are in.
We may well do well to get either, but I still find them dour and uninspiring.
Is it so difficult to get a likeable manager, with tactical nous and passion? Why not take a manager from another team? That used to be more common than it is now.
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There are two ways at looking at the Villa job right now. One is that is has become a managerial graveyard with a succession of failure and career ending appointments. The other as a huge opportunity, a club with potential that the right man cannot fail to look good in comparison to recent appointments and the potential for growth that is only possible at a few teams.
Moyes is surely aware of our position and must be weighing up which of those it is as surely he wants to return to rehabilitate his reputation.
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Fuck it, if Moyes is available and he'd come to us, get him in.
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Moyes is absolutely fine with me, for two reasons. One, I think he'll give us structure and tactical awareness, which we're crying out for - mistakes and shipping two goal leads happen when you don't know how the hell you're supposed to be set up. And two, if the worst did happen and we went down, he's one of the few managers I would trust with a complete rebuild of a squad that will probably have an influx of lower division players. For example, Cahill and Jagielka were/are great for Everton, and probably would have been a success at any club, but they became huge players for that side and didn't want to leave for pastures new. I think Moyes created a great ethos at Everton that his squad completely bought into and that's what I crave for Villa - a team who look like they want to play together, build together, achieve together. I'm tired of watching strangers wear the shirt.
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Whoever we appoint next we have to think a bit longer term. That means facing the stark harsh reality that next season will more than likely be at Championship level and we need someone who can build us back up from that. Another 5 year plan.
I'd go for Moyes if he's interested. He will be able to organise , and attract half decent players. Next season we will need to beef up the midfield for sure , the likes of Gil, westwood , Grealish , Traore will all get booted into row Z most weeks. Hate to say it but we will need some Craig Gardner / Lee Catermole type midfielders through the door next season.
We will need a stronger LB too. The likes of Hutton, Gestede , Lescott, Richards , Gabby and Kozak, have the physicality for the championship so that's good.
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Moyes was contacted during the week, according to an impeccable source. I have no idea of the response, or how many other managers were sounded out. But I'm relieved that the end of the Sherwood year
s is upon us.
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Watching a program over here the other night in Oman (Bein sports) and the discussion was about Manure, Micheal Owen was one guy and there was a journo from the Manchester area, dont know his name and the one thing that both agreed on, was Moyes can at times be very uncertain and cautious, this was even an issue at Everton, but at Manure it got worse as being in new surroundings and away from his comfort zone.
The one thing we need at Villa now is someone who knows what they want, but and this is the big but, can alter his required mind set and playing style if he walks in and finds the players cannot fit his system straight away,as someone wrote earlier, we have not got the players who can dig in and get a draw from a loss or a win from a draw, if they got rid this week it would allow two months of working with the squad, identifying what he requires, but also having the certainty that come January he is going to be given a fair amount of funds, I think whoever comes in if they do pull the trigger, if he has not got that guarantee, we are going to end up with the same calibre we have had for the last 4 /5 years and be back here in 12 months stating the same lack of ambition. This really, really is down to what Lerner wants for AVFC, do or die Mr. Lerner.
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I'm sure fans of Real Sociedad will be delighted at this potential appointment.
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One thing I do remember about Everton's time under Moyes was that they always seemed to start off slow and only kicked on after January. He did sign some very good players for them and they generally did ok, but him getting the Man Utd job was just bizarre.
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He was just the fall guy at Yanited as nobody wanted to follow SAF.
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I still have a question mark over Fergie as the greatest Manager/Coach ever in the...aha...Premier League. In order to remove that he needs to take our job and turn this great club around to be competing for the top 6 positions. I will then bow to thee SAF!
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Is this the same dull dour David Moyes MON's big spending couldn't get the better of?
This.
I wanted Moyes years ago but he was always destined for the poisoned chalice that was being Sir Alex's successor (think Bosnich as Schmeichel's replacement also). You don't hold down a job in the Premier League for a decade without knowing what you're doing.
Could we be that fortunate?
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I wonder whether Reilly and Halmstad would have an involvement in the decision? Reilly would be more established in the set-up now than when Lambert was sacked and Halmstad only joined in the summer. Those 2 would have a much better idea of managers abroad than we've probably ever had before. Is it too much to hope that the next appointment could prove to be a shrewd one? (Yes, I know...probably).
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One thing I do remember about Everton's time under Moyes was that they always seemed to start off slow and only kicked on after January. He did sign some very good players for them and they generally did ok, but him getting the Man Utd job was just bizarre.
It smacked to me of a Fergie appointment. Just like Mcleish, seems that's one area where his judgement is flawed.
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So any one comming in has got to get A PL standard Goalkeeper Central Midfielder and Striker.
How many of that level players will want to join us in January?
So i dont think Moyes would take the job knowing he will be managing in the Championship.
We are fcukd
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££££££
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££££££
Cost of relegation ? £100m ?
I'm sure the parachute payments are quite big now though so we should be ahead of your Ipswich Towns and Brentfords next season
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That's very comforting.
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££££££
Cost of relegation ? £100m ?
I'm sure the parachute payments are quite big now though so we should be ahead of your Ipswich Towns and Brentfords next season
You know what, I don't think I'd take that bet.
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I like to have an experience person in the job so ideally I want someone a cross between Ron Saunders and Atkinson. We need someone who will hit the job running and get result quick and develop the team to a quality team. I think the UK market doesn't have enough quality British managers, so we need to look in Spain/France/Italy/Germany for one.
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I think the how is more important than the who. Lerner can't be arsed and Fox cannot be trusted to choose the next unfortunate.
I'd suggest a game of musical chairs would be as good a way to pick the next manager as any other.
Each round could be made progressively harder so that by the last round the remaining contestants would compete having been blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their back. It would make ideal half-time entertainment and the competition could be spread over several weeks.
The music for the first round could be 'Down Down' by Status Quo.
The MC could be our very own pelty who would be more than able to explain the finer points of the competition to all the drivelling nitwits. I'm not sure he should be allowed to write his own patter though.
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We need a manager who is mentally strong at this stage and to be honest I don't think Moyes is the right man.
I would assume that taking a club from the foot of the division one year, only to find yourself fighting it again the following year takes its toll out of you and is very stressful. Would Moyes want to find himself in the same situation elsewhere? Personally, I don't think so.
I also do not think it would be good for the club having Moyes come in at this time, due to the above reasons.
I would imagine that it is pretty hard to shake out of something negative instantly and then having to be positive immediately. A bit like depression I would think... it needs time.
So a no for me.
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Can't believe anyone would turn their nose up at Moyes,if he's remotely interested, Lerner and Fox should get their useless asses over to Spain and not return till he agrees to join us.
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Can't believe anyone would turn their nose up at Moyes,if he's remotely interested, Lerner and Fox should get their useless asses over to Spain and not return till he agrees to join us.
100% .
Turning nose up at Moyes is like giving the v's to an RNLI rescue crew whilst cut adrift and flailing in a storm at sea .
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Can't believe anyone would turn their nose up at Moyes,if he's remotely interested, Lerner and Fox should get their useless asses over to Spain and not return till he agrees to join us.
100% .
Turning nose up at Moyes is like giving the v's to an RNLI rescue crew whilst cut adrift and flailing in a storm at sea .
so what are our useless custodians likely to do?
I'm really concerned they will let this situation run till we're even further in the shit!
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Can't believe anyone would turn their nose up at Moyes,if he's remotely interested, Lerner and Fox should get their useless asses over to Spain and not return till he agrees to join us.
100% .
Turning nose up at Moyes is like giving the v's to an RNLI rescue crew whilst cut adrift and flailing in a storm at sea .
so what are our useless custodians likely to do?
I'm really concerned they will let this situation run till we're even further in the shit!
As I said on another thread I'm concerned if we get a draw next week they will view that as a turning point and then we will back to square one counting the subsequent losses. It needs to be a win on Saturday or it should be curtains for him.
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Can't believe anyone would turn their nose up at Moyes,if he's remotely interested, Lerner and Fox should get their useless asses over to Spain and not return till he agrees to join us.
I might. I've had enough of dour Scots sending out dour teams with all the entertainment value of slow drying paint. I think Moyes is better than TSM's 1 and 2 but I think there must be better coaches somewhere out there. I just don't see why we have to stick to the usual British suspects. It's those kind of managers, combined with an utter clown of an owner, that have got us into this shit in the first place. I'd rather we look abroad, like most of the higher achieving teams in the PL tend to.
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Our near neighbours have shown the benefits of having a manager who understands what it is to organise a side.
Somebody of Moyes' ability would have a significant positive impact on our season.
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Well if we can't attract a decent manager now then the chances are we will have to try and attract only a half decent manager when we are in the championship.
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Moyes will be gone by tonight. A two-nil loss and finished with nine men.
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He didn't look too fussed about it at the end of the game.
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
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My only fear with Moyes, and I'd take him over Sherwood any day, is that he overhauled Everton when he was a young and energised manager. I'm not sure if he has that enthusiasm anymore.
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
Hogwash. Why would we chase Moyes when there are crap managers available much closer to home who will be less costly and won't challenge the hierarchy.
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
Hogwash. Why would we chase Moyes when there are crap managers available much closer to home who will be less costly and won't challenge the hierarchy.
Er, because the club want Moyes? Maybe.
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
Hogwash. Why would we chase Moyes when there are crap managers available much closer to home who will be less costly and won't challenge the hierarchy.
Er, because the club want Moyes? Maybe.
Do they though? I doubt it
Sherwood's job is safe as houses til Xmas I reckon
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There is another break in November I believe. I think they'll give him til then. Hopefully, sooner.
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
Hogwash. Why would we chase Moyes when there are crap managers available much closer to home who will be less costly and won't challenge the hierarchy.
Er, because the club want Moyes? Maybe.
Do they though? I doubt it
Sherwood's job is safe as houses til Xmas I reckon
No way, he will be gone if/when we lose to Swansea We will probably be bottom of the table next week .
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
Hogwash. Why would we chase Moyes when there are crap managers available much closer to home who will be less costly and won't challenge the hierarchy.
Er, because the club want Moyes? Maybe.
Do they though? I doubt it
Sherwood's job is safe as houses til Xmas I reckon
We'll be down by Xmas if Sherwood stays. He should go on Monday.
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
Hogwash. Why would we chase Moyes when there are crap managers available much closer to home who will be less costly and won't challenge the hierarchy.
Er, because the club want Moyes? Maybe.
Do they though? I doubt it
Sherwood's job is safe as houses til Xmas I reckon
We'll be down by Xmas if Sherwood stays. He should go on Monday.
Today's result will set alarm bells ringing
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I wonder if this is what Villa are waiting for. Moyers sacked= no compo.
Hogwash. Why would we chase Moyes when there are crap managers available much closer to home who will be less costly and won't challenge the hierarchy.
Er, because the club want Moyes? Maybe.
Do they though? I doubt it
Sherwood's job is safe as houses til Xmas I reckon
We'll be down by Xmas if Sherwood stays. He should go on Monday.
Spot on!
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I was firmly in the give him till Santa time but it's taking seasonal goodwill too far. It has to be soon, otherwise a resurrection of biblical proportions is needed
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I agree he should go, but knowing Fox and Lerner he will be here for weeks if not months yet
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Moyes tells @cuezva in presser than he's not going to Villa.
Moyes sobre los rumores de futuro en el Aston Villa: "Quiero quedarme en la Real Sociedad"
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Moyes tells @cuezva in presser than he's not going to Villa.
Moyes sobre los rumores de futuro en el Aston Villa: "Quiero quedarme en la Real Sociedad"
What did you expect him to say? He's employed by Real.
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I hope you woke up dry and sober. I am afraid the Moyes thing is just kite flying. I personally cannot see him wanting to come to Villa and there is no evidence that he wants to. Our plight is too serious for wish lists.
That we must replace Sherwood is staring us in the face but we have form for leaving change too late. Unless we are prepared to spend big on a manager we will have to sift through the candidates willing to come and lie on the Villa Park bed of nails. If I had to bet on the future I expect they will give Sherwood until Christmas then bring in a manager who will be largely derided on here and in the wider fan base.
Our fundamental problem is that you cannot turn back time. We are four time losers in the manager selection game, five times if you include allowing Martin O'Neill to run amok with a club cheque book then fail to see his premeditated strike coming. Apart from the difficulty of finding a quality manager who can win games, the endless defeats have reduced the fans to a level of performance intolerance not seen for decades at Villa Park. All of the fan goodwill that was built up by Randy Lerner's early time has been squandered by managerial selection blunders of increasing stupidity. Apart from Paul Lambert who morphed at Villa Park, the other manager choices were wild throws of the dice. Houllier was sick, McLeish was a serial relegator with a mountain of baggage and Sherwood was, and remains a construct of his media mates with no substance beneath the vanity.
So, will it be Moyes? I doubt it. I don't think he fancies drinking in the last chance saloon and anybody who does will get a very rough ride from all quarters. Some of the Benteke money should have been set aside to buy us the right man but that would have taken foresight a quality not much in evidence for the last five years.
If we appoint a new manager around Christmas it will be one chosen to get us out of the sky bet championship. We need to appoint someone now to give us a (very) slim chance of survival. Moreover would give the new man time to asssss needs of the squad & hopefully address in the January window?
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Moyes tells @cuezva in presser than he's not going to Villa.
Moyes sobre los rumores de futuro en el Aston Villa: "Quiero quedarme en la Real Sociedad"
What did you expect him to say? He's employed by Real.
Very much doubt Moyes would come here.
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Moyes tells @cuezva in presser than he's not going to Villa.
Moyes sobre los rumores de futuro en el Aston Villa: "Quiero quedarme en la Real Sociedad"
What did you expect him to say? He's employed by Real.
Very much doubt Moyes would come here.
That's a genuine worry. Good managers won't work for Lerner and his pitiful budget. That's why we've employed a bunch of has-beens, rookies and never will be(ees) since O'Neill walked.
Let's just hope Lerner comes to his senses before it's too late.
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I don't think being better than Sherwood is reason enough to appoint anyone. We've got to have a plan, we don't want a quick fix and then have to get yet another one in in a years time for example. To me Moyes seems like a really boring and predictable choice, and he's a bit of an old fashioned manager which i believe are slowly going out the game
Why not be bold and go after someone like Frank De Boer ? if he's ambitious he's not going to want to hang around the Dutch league forever, someone like him would bring a new vibe and much needed fresh approach to the whole place. And i pretty sure we can offer him a very good financial package too
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I suspect Frank de Boer will have his sights set a little higher than a long time struggling Aston Villa.
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The funny thing is that we might be more likely to get an established name - not just a Moyes, but maybe even a Prandelli or Bielsa - rather than a promising rookie, given that the reputations of the well-established won't live or die by failure with Aston Villa.
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The funny thing is that we might be more likely to get an established name - not just a Moyes, but maybe even a Prandelli or Bielsa - rather than a promising rookie, given that the reputations of the well-established won't live or die by failure with Aston Villa.
Please, please, please! :)
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If we do sack him (and please god we do), then let's hope it's done quickly and we have the new man in asap. Ideally before the Swansea game.
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We need somebody with experience of rescuing a club from relegation.
John Carver is our man.
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I'd be more than happy to just get shot of sherwood and his crew and let KMac and Sid take charge for now. Cannot be any worse surely.
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Anyone who thinks The likes of Bielsa or Prandelli will come to Villa are living in cloud cuckoo land. We are not an attractive option currently.
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I'd be more than happy to just get shot of sherwood and his crew and let KMac and Sid take charge for now. Cannot be any worse surely.
Kevin Macdonald put out a side that kept Newcastle down to six, so he's a good call.
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I'd be more than happy to just get shot of sherwood and his crew and let KMac and Sid take charge for now. Cannot be any worse surely.
Kevin Macdonald put out a side that kept Newcastle down to six, so he's a good call.
He also beat West Ham 3-0
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I'd be more than happy to just get shot of sherwood and his crew and let KMac and Sid take charge for now. Cannot be any worse surely.
Kevin Macdonald put out a side that kept Newcastle down to six, so he's a good call.
He also beat West Ham 3-0
Definitely needs to be given the job in that case.
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I'd be more than happy to just get shot of sherwood and his crew and let KMac and Sid take charge for now. Cannot be any worse surely.
Kevin Macdonald put out a side that kept Newcastle down to six, so he's a good call.
He also beat West Ham 3-0
His stint at Swindon didn't go well, I don't think he ever really wanted to actually manage. Milner played his last game for us that day I think. He played really well too.
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I'd be more than happy to just get shot of sherwood and his crew and let KMac and Sid take charge for now. Cannot be any worse surely.
Kevin Macdonald put out a side that kept Newcastle down to six, so he's a good call.
He also beat West Ham 3-0
His stint at Swindon didn't go well, I don't think he ever really wanted to actually manage. Milner played his last game for us that day I think. He played really well too.
And Milner scored. Was a sad day ......
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I'd be more than happy to just get shot of sherwood and his crew and let KMac and Sid take charge for now. Cannot be any worse surely.
Kevin Macdonald put out a side that kept Newcastle down to six, so he's a good call.
He also beat West Ham 3-0
His stint at Swindon didn't go well, I don't think he ever really wanted to actually manage. Milner played his last game for us that day I think. He played really well too.
And Milner scored. Was a sad day ......
And West Ham were rubbish
Please, please quit with this KMac nonsense. He isnt a manager and neither is Sid
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
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Mac should've been given a bit longer in 2010/11 until a more suitable candidate than Houllier came up e.g. someone not in semi retirement drawing a pension from French football association.
I happened to think we were about to give him the job for that season anyway until Newcastle 6-0 happened which shocked the board and caused a rethink.
That said our side back then was miles better than now so doubt he'd pick up too many points.
If we sack Sherwood we need to get someone in a.s.a.p. We can't afford to throw points away, we've done that enough already this season.
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If we went outside for a manager in the football league I like the guy at Boro, he seems to have done a good job there. Can't believe the negativity towards Moyes though, all things considered. He would not be an exciting appointment for sure, but winning some games and not being turned over before a ball is kicked each week would be refreshing.
I guess after the last 5 years something a bit boring and stable is quite appealing.
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
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Mac should've been given a bit longer in 2010/11 until a more suitable candidate than Houllier came up e.g. someone not in semi retirement drawing a pension from French football association.
I happened to think we were about to give him the job for that season anyway until Newcastle 6-0 happened which shocked the board and caused a rethink.
That said our side back then was miles better than now so doubt he'd pick up too many points.
If we sack Sherwood we need to get someone in a.s.a.p. We can't afford to throw points away, we've done that enough already this season.
If he'd wanted the job there's a good chance he would have got it.
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
I don't think it was supposed to be. There are certain individuals suited to certain clubs. He has what we need and I think would get us to mid table this season. Next season potentially far greater things!
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
I don't think it was supposed to be. There are certain individuals suited to certain clubs. He has what we need and I think would get us to mid table this season. Next season potentially far greater things!
Oh...ok
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
I don't think it was supposed to be. There are certain individuals suited to certain clubs. He has what we need and I think would get us to mid table this season. Next season potentially far greater things!
Carver as a replacement for Robson as coach maybe. But as Manager? Jeez, seriously? No thanks.
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Carver? I'd rather have a 'dream' team of Pulis and Barry Fry.
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Carver? I'd rather have a 'dream' team of Pulis and Barry Fry.
With Egil Olsen as number 3. I mean seriously, Carver is the one man that can make a Sherwood sound bite look genuinely normal!
Very interesting that the press officer ended the questions as soon as one was asked about the summer transfers.
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
I don't think it was supposed to be. There are certain individuals suited to certain clubs. He has what we need and I think would get us to mid table this season. Next season potentially far greater things!
Carver as a replacement for Robson as coach maybe. But as Manager? Jeez, seriously? No thanks.
Don't panic, I was only kidding. There aren't many worse options at the moment but he would be it!
I want somebody that is experienced and is based in one of the top leagues.
It can't be that bloody difficult considering the amount of money in our league now surely!
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If we went outside for a manager in the football league I like the guy at Boro, he seems to have done a good job there. Can't believe the negativity towards Moyes though, all things considered. He would not be an exciting appointment for sure, but winning some games and not being turned over before a ball is kicked each week would be refreshing.
I guess after the last 5 years something a bit boring and stable is quite appealing.
I think the main objection to Moyes is not that he is stable and boring but the opposite. he seems the same kind of high risk manager we have gone through before.
His managerial results the past few years have been Villaesque. Right now his team is above the relegation zone on goal difference.
I think if he was someone who had been solid and doing well his entire career there would be a different tone. But as of today trading Sherwood for Moyes seems like a minor upgrade at best. he did fantastic at Everton (with wobbles) but has been pretty damn poor since.
Admittedly I refuse to watch ManU and I have seen maybe one RS game since he took over so I cant comment on how they are playing but certainly the results are not good.
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I'd normally have thought of Moyes as a nice safe option to give us some stability and some boring mid-table positions. But now I worry how much his 'failure' since leaving Everton may affect him.
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The bloke is a walking disaster. Don't go near with a barge pole.
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If we went outside for a manager in the football league I like the guy at Boro, he seems to have done a good job there. Can't believe the negativity towards Moyes though, all things considered. He would not be an exciting appointment for sure, but winning some games and not being turned over before a ball is kicked each week would be refreshing.
I guess after the last 5 years something a bit boring and stable is quite appealing.
I think the main objection to Moyes is not that he is stable and boring but the opposite. he seems the same kind of high risk manager we have gone through before.
His managerial results the past few years have been Villaesque. Right now his team is above the relegation zone on goal difference.
I think if he was someone who had been solid and doing well his entire career there would be a different tone. But as of today trading Sherwood for Moyes seems like a minor upgrade at best. he did fantastic at Everton (with wobbles) but has been pretty damn poor since.
Admittedly I refuse to watch ManU and I have seen maybe one RS game since he took over so I cant comment on how they are playing but certainly the results are not good.
Agreed. I hate the idea of Pulis or Allardyce but there's a grain of truth in their reputations for guaranteeing survival - they've moved clubs enough times to demonstrate a record. Moyes had a long time at Everton, which appeared to be the right club for him, followed by failure at two cubs. There's nothing to suggest he's right for us.
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He did though improve Sociedad considerably last season. They had 9 points from 11 games and finished with 46. Not a bad return from that position last season. Not sure how he is a walking disaster, or indeed not proved himself.
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Sherwood=stick
Moyes=twist
Stick.
Moyes is a bigger gamble than giving Tim more time. No thanks.
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Seriously. Moyes, who had a 43% win record at Everton in the premier league over 9 years, and a 53% one at Man United in the premier league, and then went to Spain and took a side from 9 points in 11 to 46 in 38, is more of a gamble than a bloke who has lost 10 of his last 12 and wants to be Alan Pardew.
Wow.
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Admitting they aspire to be Pardew is just the final nail in his coffin.
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Seriously. Moyes, who had a 43% win record at Everton in the premier league over 9 years, and a 53% one at Man United in the premier league, and then went to Spain and took a side from 9 points in 11 to 46 in 38, is more of a gamble than a bloke who has lost 10 of his last 12 and wants to be Alan Pardew.
Wow.
Ha! When you put it like that...
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Seriously. Moyes, who had a 43% win record at Everton in the premier league over 9 years, and a 53% one at Man United in the premier league, and then went to Spain and took a side from 9 points in 11 to 46 in 38, is more of a gamble than a bloke who has lost 10 of his last 12 and wants to be Alan Pardew.
Wow.
Boom.
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Sherwood=stick
Moyes=twist
Stick.
Moyes is a bigger gamble than giving Tim more time. No thanks.
You're right. There's no gamble involved in keeping Sherwood. Relegation is guaranteed.
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Sherwood=stick
Moyes=twist
Stick.
Moyes is a bigger gamble than giving Tim more time. No thanks.
I'm not a big fan of Moyes but with all due respect that really is complete nonsense.
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
Who's laughing?
John Carver. He's available.
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
Who's laughing?
John Carver. He's available.
Do not joke, repeat, do not joke.
It cannot get any worse. It cannot get any worse....nurse strap me back in my jacket.
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The bloke is a walking disaster. Don't go near with a barge pole.
Who? Moyes?
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
Who's laughing?
John Carver. He's available.
Jim Carver off The Bill would be a better option, and he doesn't even really exist.
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John Carver. Nobody else, he's the man.
It wasn't funny the first time
Who's laughing?
John Carver. He's available.
Jim Carver off The Bill would be a better option, and he doesn't even really exist.
I thought he did a decent job of turning his life around. To go from being a mod and hanging around with Sting to becoming a good, solid, reliable copper was impressive, the drink problem only materialised when somebody threatened to expose his dark secret and past life as a mod.
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Sky Sports reporting that Sociedad fans chanted for Moyes to 'go home' after their latest defeat. I hope by 'home' they mean England, not Scotland.
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Doesn't he have form for starting a season very slowly though.
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Doesn't he have form for starting a season very slowly though.
I think it was the case for a few seasons, but IIRC in his last season at Everton they started very well and ended up stalling out into their usual 6th place finish.
The way I see it is that I don't think you can use that to say that things will definitely get better for him at Sociedad, but at the same time, I think it's something worth keeping in mind before making any accusations about the game having passed him by.
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Doesn't he have form for starting a season very slowly though.
I think it was the case for a few seasons, but IIRC in his last season at Everton they started very well and ended up stalling out into their usual 6th place finish.
The way I see it is that I don't think you can use that to say that things will definitely get better for him at Sociedad, but at the same time, I think it's something worth keeping in mind before making any accusations about the game having passed him by.
It's also worth bearing in mind that we need a manager who can come in and turn things round pretty quickly before we really are cut adrift. Not sure if Moyes is that manager. On the other hand it's difficult to see who else could and would also want to come to Villa.
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He did last season though in Spain and did when he arrived at Everton. Don't get me wrong i would prefer someone who is technically more astute but in our situation with what we need to do i don't think there are many better options.
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If David Moyes had any sense whatsoever he wouldn't come anywhere near this trainwreck.
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I agree (even though I want him to)
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We do appear to have become a manager's graveyard.
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
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Its a bit like Man City before then money. Managers come and go without ever getting to grips with it.
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Doesn't he have form for starting a season very slowly though.
It's alright, we've done that bit for him, we can move straight to the good results part.
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
A lot on here refuse to admit it but we've been utter shite ever since he left. Three top six finishes in a row - hard to imagine now, isn't it?
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It is but nothing about his time at Sunderland suggested that would continue with him around and his spending was just awful.
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
A lot on here refuse to admit it but we've been utter shite ever since he left. Three top six finishes in a row - hard to imagine now, isn't it?
Wait, what? Absolutely nobody has been deluded about how shite we've been since 2010.
You make it sound like those placings were primarily down to his management skills - he was an alright manager, but he also had the benefit of piles and piles of money.
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
A lot on here refuse to admit it but we've been utter shite ever since he left. Three top six finishes in a row - hard to imagine now, isn't it?
That really isn't the point though, the way he achieved those finishes is what has scuppered us. The money he blew was horrendous, and while the buck ultimately stops with Lerner, O'Neill played his part by wasting vast sums on players who didn't warrant it. £65k a week on Emile Heskey being a prime example.
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
Bottom 2 in league both managed by MON , both let him spend millions ....coincidence ..I think not
As for Moyes
Questions - Would you want Moyes as villa Manager
Answer - Well his time was good at Everton but I am concerned about his time at United and this season in Spain
Question - Would you want want Moyes as Villa Manager to replace Sherwood
Answer - Yes please god yes make it happen ASAP
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
A lot on here refuse to admit it but we've been utter shite ever since he left. Three top six finishes in a row - hard to imagine now, isn't it?
That really isn't the point though, the way he achieved those finishes is what has scuppered us. The money he blew was horrendous, and while the buck ultimately stops with Lerner, O'Neill played his part by wasting vast sums on players who didn't warrant it. £65k a week on Emile Heskey being a prime example.
MON made a mixture of very good (Ashley Young, Petrov, Milner) and very bad (Heskey, Curtis Davies, Habib Beye, plenty of others I'll grant you that) signings. I agree he chucked money around, wasted plenty and undid most of the goodwill he may or may not (depending on your point of view) have established when he walked out in the way he did. But I think it's ludicrous to suggest that the money he spent has caused our subsequent problems. In my view, Lerner turned off the money taps when he saw the Arab money arrive at Man City who - let's not forget - used to finish below us when we had MON. He realised there was no way we were going to make the Champions League and decided mid-table/staying up would do. So we've had the calibre of management to suit said targets ever since. That's really not MON's fault, whatever you think of him.
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Questions - Would you want Moyes as villa Manager
Answer - Well his time was good at Everton but I am concerned about his time at United and this season in Spain
Whoever took that job after Ferguson was on to a loser, I think it would be unfair to judge him on less than a season at a club that required a massive rebuilding job despite being champions, better to judge him on the job he did at Everton.
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
A lot on here refuse to admit it but we've been utter shite ever since he left. Three top six finishes in a row - hard to imagine now, isn't it?
That really isn't the point though, the way he achieved those finishes is what has scuppered us. The money he blew was horrendous, and while the buck ultimately stops with Lerner, O'Neill played his part by wasting vast sums on players who didn't warrant it. £65k a week on Emile Heskey being a prime example.
MON made a mixture of very good (Ashley Young, Petrov, Milner) and very bad (Heskey, Curtis Davies, Habib Beye, plenty of others I'll grant you that) signings. I agree he chucked money around, wasted plenty and undid most of the goodwill he may or may not (depending on your point of view) have established when he walked out in the way he did. But I think it's ludicrous to suggest that the money he spent has caused our subsequent problems. In my view, Lerner turned off the money taps when he saw the Arab money arrive at Man City who - let's not forget - used to finish below us when we had MON. He realised there was no way we were going to make the Champions League and decided mid-table/staying up would do. So we've had the calibre of management to suit said targets ever since. That's really not MON's fault, whatever you think of him.
Agreed. Lerner gave up and O'Neill walked.
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Just guess work but I think Moyes is looking for a decent offer, he knew his time in Spain would likely be short.
His hinted that he listened to clubs over the summer.
I think he'd be nuts to come here but I really hope he does.
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Guess the manager..
Manager X set his team up to do the same as usual: sit back, try and frustrate the opposition and then play wide and try to cross, again and again, as a method of attack.
MON?
McLeish?
Lambert?
Sherwood?
Moyes?
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Guess the manager..
Manager X set his team up to do the same as usual: sit back, try and frustrate the opposition and then play wide and try to cross, again and again, as a method of attack.
MON?
McLeish?
Lambert?
Sherwood?
Moyes?
All of the above , several times over the last 10 years.
The only difference being that Moyes and MON used to be good at it.
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Guess the manager..
Manager X set his team up to do the same as usual: sit back, try and frustrate the opposition and then play wide and try to cross, again and again, as a method of attack.
MON?
McLeish?
Lambert?
Sherwood?
Moyes?
Could be any of them except Sherwood really. Could also be a hell of a lot of others as well. It wouldn't surprise me if that was a quote from the press in Italy or Spain about Mourinho though.
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Guess the manager..
Manager X set his team up to do the same as usual: sit back, try and frustrate the opposition and then play wide and try to cross, again and again, as a method of attack.
MON?
McLeish?
Lambert?
Sherwood?
Moyes?
Could be any of them except Sherwood really. Could also be a hell of a lot of others as well. It wouldn't surprise me if that was a quote from the press in Italy or Spain about Mourinho though.
Ha! You wish. It was in a report today on Moyes' team yesterday against Atletico Madrid.
As many have said, Moyes would be a perfect match at the Villa. Sadly for all the wrong reasons. As you posted earlier, we've had 9 years of this shit. Maybe it's 'The Aston Villa Way'. I bloody hope not and I think we're long overdue a change.
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Guess the manager..
Manager X set his team up to do the same as usual: sit back, try and frustrate the opposition and then play wide and try to cross, again and again, as a method of attack.
MON?
McLeish?
Lambert?
Sherwood?
Moyes?
Could be any of them except Sherwood really. Could also be a hell of a lot of others as well. It wouldn't surprise me if that was a quote from the press in Italy or Spain about Mourinho though.
Ha! You wish. It was in a report today on Moyes' team yesterday against Atletico Madrid.
As many have said, Moyes would be a perfect match at the Villa. Sadly for all the wrong reasons. As you posted earlier, we've had 9 years of this shit. Maybe it's 'The Aston Villa Way'. I bloody hope not and I think we're long overdue a change.
It was a gamble that you'd gone for a quote about someone we wouldn't expect and Jose's style didn't go down all that well in either country so...
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
A lot on here refuse to admit it but we've been utter shite ever since he left. Three top six finishes in a row - hard to imagine now, isn't it?
That really isn't the point though, the way he achieved those finishes is what has scuppered us. The money he blew was horrendous, and while the buck ultimately stops with Lerner, O'Neill played his part by wasting vast sums on players who didn't warrant it. £65k a week on Emile Heskey being a prime example.
MON made a mixture of very good (Ashley Young, Petrov, Milner) and very bad (Heskey, Curtis Davies, Habib Beye, plenty of others I'll grant you that) signings. I agree he chucked money around, wasted plenty and undid most of the goodwill he may or may not (depending on your point of view) have established when he walked out in the way he did. But I think it's ludicrous to suggest that the money he spent has caused our subsequent problems. In my view, Lerner turned off the money taps when he saw the Arab money arrive at Man City who - let's not forget - used to finish below us when we had MON. He realised there was no way we were going to make the Champions League and decided mid-table/staying up would do. So we've had the calibre of management to suit said targets ever since. That's really not MON's fault, whatever you think of him.
Of course it has caused us subsequent problems.
Are you aware of just how much money we spent and the impact on our finances? Why do you think we went from £10m 60k a week players to £1m 10k a week ones?
The reason we had three sixth place finishes under MON (although, to be honest, some make that sound like the new winning the league) is primarily because we spent a huge amount of money, and enough of it bought good enough players to get us to sixth.
It wasn't some sort of amazing management from MON to get those players in, it was him throwing sufficient amounts of cash at it to make it work.
The problem was that those players who didnt work out for us still had to be paid, for several years.
Heskey signing a 60k a week deal aged 31 and a bit, for example. You list that as an example of very badly spent money yourself.
How did that disappear as a problem when MON went? It didn't, because we had to keep paying him that money to contribute fuck all until the end date of his contract.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10035025/david-moyes-should-not-be-sacked-and-barcelona-still-have-worries-says-guillem-balague
Seems to think Board are behind Moyes so won't be sacked soon
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
True, but a lot of managers have their ups and downs and at least he's got plenty of experience. I don't think Big Ron had quite lived up to it at Man Utd but had a good 3 years with us.
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
2015/2016
Sherwood: 1 win in 9 league games.
Moyes: 1 win in 8 league games.
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
Except one has an extended, and fairly recent history in English football of achieving exactly the sort of half-decent results we need; while the other one has so far only proven that he works as a short-term shot in the arm.
EDIT: As for saying "it's the present we live in", well, Mourinho's gotten off to an incredibly shitty start as well; does that mean he's now a crap manager as well as being a general tosser?
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
Except one has an extended, and fairly recent history in English football of achieving exactly the sort of half-decent results we need; while the other one has so far only proven that he works as a short-term shot in the arm.
EDIT: As for saying "it's the present we live in", well, Mourinho's gotten off to an incredibly shitty start as well; does that mean he's now a crap manager as well as being a general tosser?
sort of makes it a bit worse saying that
he's making a bigger hash of it than Sherwood with all that experience, at least Sherwood's a rookie maybe he will learn maybe he wont, but Moyes is failing and he's the finished article guaranteed to dig us out of the pit,
when in reality he's currently performing worse than the one we got
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
Except one has an extended, and fairly recent history in English football of achieving exactly the sort of half-decent results we need; while the other one has so far only proven that he works as a short-term shot in the arm.
EDIT: As for saying "it's the present we live in", well, Mourinho's gotten off to an incredibly shitty start as well; does that mean he's now a crap manager as well as being a general tosser?
sort of makes it a bit worse saying that
he's making a bigger hash of it than Sherwood with all that experience, at least Sherwood's a rookie maybe he will learn maybe he wont, but Moyes is failing and he's the finished article guaranteed to dig us out of the pit,
when in reality he's currently performing worse than the one we got
Or, the alternative (and I would submit is the far more convincing) inference is that he's having a short-term hiccup, and we should give more weight to his larger body of work. Even just last season he managed 37 points in 27 games, managing for the first time in a different country - why the fuck should we throw that out the window completely in favour of nine games to start this season?
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Moyes just has the stank of despair and failure on him at the moment. Maybe coming to Villa would perk him up, or maybe he'd continue to depress the players. He does look quite sad though.
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
Except one has an extended, and fairly recent history in English football of achieving exactly the sort of half-decent results we need; while the other one has so far only proven that he works as a short-term shot in the arm.
EDIT: As for saying "it's the present we live in", well, Mourinho's gotten off to an incredibly shitty start as well; does that mean he's now a crap manager as well as being a general tosser?
sort of makes it a bit worse saying that
he's making a bigger hash of it than Sherwood with all that experience, at least Sherwood's a rookie maybe he will learn maybe he wont, but Moyes is failing and he's the finished article guaranteed to dig us out of the pit,
when in reality he's currently performing worse than the one we got
Or, the alternative (and I would submit is the far more convincing) inference is that he's having a short-term hiccup, and we should give more weight to his larger body of work. Even just last season he managed 37 points in 27 games, managing for the first time in a different country - why the fuck should we throw that out the window completely in favour of nine games to start this season?
because you can make a case for any manager you want, Lambert, Houllier, Sherwood
but we moan about the board making stupid decisions one after another,
when the favourite next manager of many on this site is a man currently doing even worse than the manager we have already have,
you couldnt make this stuff up
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I suspect that having to live anywhere else after having spent a year in San Sebastian would be a pretty big come-down.
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
Except one has an extended, and fairly recent history in English football of achieving exactly the sort of half-decent results we need; while the other one has so far only proven that he works as a short-term shot in the arm.
EDIT: As for saying "it's the present we live in", well, Mourinho's gotten off to an incredibly shitty start as well; does that mean he's now a crap manager as well as being a general tosser?
sort of makes it a bit worse saying that
he's making a bigger hash of it than Sherwood with all that experience, at least Sherwood's a rookie maybe he will learn maybe he wont, but Moyes is failing and he's the finished article guaranteed to dig us out of the pit,
when in reality he's currently performing worse than the one we got
Or, the alternative (and I would submit is the far more convincing) inference is that he's having a short-term hiccup, and we should give more weight to his larger body of work. Even just last season he managed 37 points in 27 games, managing for the first time in a different country - why the fuck should we throw that out the window completely in favour of nine games to start this season?
because you can make a case for any manager you want, Lambert, Houllier, Sherwood
but we moan about the board making stupid decisions one after another,
when the favourite next manager of many on this site is a man currently doing even worse than the manager we have already have,
you couldnt make this stuff up
He's the favourite in the sense that he's the best and most realistic option working off the assumption that our board isn't progressive enough to extend beyond obvious candidates; not because people are genuinely enthusiastic about what he would bring. But it's completely ridiculous to use his record so far this season as anything more than one of many different factors to be considered in deciding whether we should get him or not.
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I suspect that having to live anywhere else after having spent a year in San Sebastian would be a pretty big come-down.
Moyes won't be suited to the Spanish weather . He will be more at home back in wet Wilmslow or similar football village
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I think Moyes just needed a job, any job, after man U. Anything would have appeared to have been accepting the next job is because you're a failure so it meant sense to go overseas. Didn't do okay there last season? That it's not working this season could be for a number of reasons and how many times do we see overseas managers here given the bullet only to return to 'their' football and continue to build on their previous implacable reputation.
I think Moyes would be fine. He'd be re-energised and ready for English football. he'd have a couple of months to get us into some sort of shape and I expect him to go out and get exactly what he needs in January.
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I suspect that having to live anywhere else after having spent a year in San Sebastian would be a pretty big come-down.
Moyes strikes me as the type of person that's spent a year in the food capital of the world and lived on steak and oven chips with suitcase full of HP sauce.
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I suspect that having to live anywhere else after having spent a year in San Sebastian would be a pretty big come-down.
Moyes strikes me as the type of person that's spent a year in the food capital of the world and lived on steak and oven chips with suitcase full of HP sauce.
Well put Rudy
Mmmm steak and chips...HP sauce....:)
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
Except one has an extended, and fairly recent history in English football of achieving exactly the sort of half-decent results we need; while the other one has so far only proven that he works as a short-term shot in the arm.
EDIT: As for saying "it's the present we live in", well, Mourinho's gotten off to an incredibly shitty start as well; does that mean he's now a crap manager as well as being a general tosser?
sort of makes it a bit worse saying that
he's making a bigger hash of it than Sherwood with all that experience, at least Sherwood's a rookie maybe he will learn maybe he wont, but Moyes is failing and he's the finished article guaranteed to dig us out of the pit,
when in reality he's currently performing worse than the one we got
Or, the alternative (and I would submit is the far more convincing) inference is that he's having a short-term hiccup, and we should give more weight to his larger body of work. Even just last season he managed 37 points in 27 games, managing for the first time in a different country - why the fuck should we throw that out the window completely in favour of nine games to start this season?
because you can make a case for any manager you want, Lambert, Houllier, Sherwood
but we moan about the board making stupid decisions one after another,
when the favourite next manager of many on this site is a man currently doing even worse than the manager we have already have,
you couldnt make this stuff up
As has been pointed out already this is actually not true, as Moyes has played just 8 games, obviously you can make this stuff up!
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The potential problem with a manager like Moyes is whether he would be able to fully utilise the attacking players like Grealsih, Gil, Ayew, Traore etc. It is plain to see that Sherwood doesn't really know how to do it and I'm not sure someone like Moyes would either. I don't know if anyone has mentioned him on here, but the one who really interests me is Karanka at Middlesborough. He's done a very good job turning them around and they are doing well again this season which suggests he isn't some kind of one season wonder. He played and coached at Real Madrid, so knows about big clubs and should the worst come to the worst, he has a good track record in the Championship.
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I count fourteen on my right arm, better make sure I use a high factor sun cream.
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I take the point that Everton fans weren't overly gushing with praise regarding Moyes so we have to take that into consideration. However, the team that finished 4th a few seasons ago battered us at Villa 3-1 and were a good team. After that they finished 5th repeatedly and are now always there or thereabouts around the European places. He clearly knows how to spot a player - picking up Baines, Jagielka, Cahill etc from lesser teams, and lower divisions in some cases - which we are running our club on, and makes them tough to beat and fit.
When we get to repeated top 5 top 10 finishes that's the time to criticise him and call for his head. When you're 19th and cut adrift after 5 seasons of trying to go down, isn't.
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We have to be realistic, if Moyes was flying high in Spain he wouldn't be an option; if Rogers had done better at Liverpool he would still be there and so on. Any appointment we make has an element of risk but with our situation as it is we should be looking to minimise as many of those risks as possible.
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The potential problem with a manager like Moyes is whether he would be able to fully utilise the attacking players like Grealsih, Gil, Ayew, Traore etc. It is plain to see that Sherwood doesn't really know how to do it and I'm not sure someone like Moyes would either. I don't know if anyone has mentioned him on here, but the one who really interests me is Karanka at Middlesborough. He's done a very good job turning them around and they are doing well again this season which suggests he isn't some kind of one season wonder. He played and coached at Real Madrid, so knows about big clubs and should the worst come to the worst, he has a good track record in the Championship.
Is there really any strong evidence suggesting that he would do a poor job with attacking players like Grealish, Gil or Traore? I suppose he didn't do very well with Kagawa or Mata, but again, that's a totally different level of expectation in terms of performances, and Januzaj played quite well for him. But at Everton, did he have any floaty playmaker types who he wasted? I seem to remember Arteta being quite good for them as a no. 10. On the other hand, there was that Russian winger who they bought for a lot and whose name escapes me now, and I don't think he did all that much while there.
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As much as I despise him, O'Neill walking out is beginning to look like a visionary move.
A lot on here refuse to admit it but we've been utter shite ever since he left. Three top six finishes in a row - hard to imagine now, isn't it?
That really isn't the point though, the way he achieved those finishes is what has scuppered us. The money he blew was horrendous, and while the buck ultimately stops with Lerner, O'Neill played his part by wasting vast sums on players who didn't warrant it. £65k a week on Emile Heskey being a prime example.
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How did that disappear as a problem when MON went? It didn't, because we had to keep paying him that money to contribute fuck all until the end date of his contract.
True enough about Heskey's wages, but you could look at most clubs in the league and point to shit signings with sky-high wages: Andy Carroll at Liverpool? Torres at Chelsea? Most clubs have got examples like this, and stupid wages are the Premier League way, especially for someone with international experience (no, he really did have this) like Heskey. I'll accept your point to the extent that the wages we were paying out may have had some impact on the money available to Houllier. But we're five years down the line since MON's departure. I think our malaise has got far more to do with Lerner's lack of interest and lowering of expectations than MON's legacy.
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TBF,
Ferguson signed more duddens than gooduns, but he bought so many players and had that excellent crop of kids come through a lot let him off.
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We have to be realistic, if Moyes was flying high in Spain he wouldn't be an option; if Rogers had done better at Liverpool he would still be there and so on. Any appointment we make has an element of risk but with our situation as it is we should be looking to minimise as many of those risks as possible.
I agree with your logic, Chris but if we have to bring in a new manager, wouldn't it be great if we're not looking to replace him in year or two. We're forever in this vicious circle of desperately replacing a major failure in the hope of preserving our PL status. We allow through our poor manager selection to convince ourselves the new manager is an improvement on the previous when in fact they too are just as poor.
I really hope the penny drops and Lerner/Fox realise that the manager is the most important role throughout the whole club, go out there and bring in the best manager possible, by all means necessary. I realise our stock has massively fallen but with £100m minimum to pick up next season for PL clubs, you'd hope it would focus their minds.
I'm pretty sure Randy Lerner will be happy having not to pay two or three managers at a time. I'd imagine if we are to sack Sherwood he'll be paying Lambert, Sherwood and the new manager every month for the next few years. I can't be good for the soul nevermind the bank account.
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One of the amazing things about Moyes was the way he dealt with star players leaving. EFC used to find it hard to hang on to their better players such as Rooney and Arteta and when they left, I always used to relish the fact that it would finally be the time when Villa would leapfrog EFC in the table, but it never happened. No matter whether it was one of those types of players leaving or Tim Cahill retiring, the wheels just never really came off.
Arteta was huge for them before he left for Arsenal, and Cahill was just immense every time he played but after their departures, nothing really changed, and so it's actually really easy to forget just how much of a role they played.
Anyway, this for me, is another positive of offering David Moyes employment at Villa park.
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Look, I want Tim gone now ; he's not fit for purpose. But is there really anything tangible to suggest that he's going to get the tin tack?
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True enough about Heskey's wages, but you could look at most clubs in the league and point to shit signings with sky-high wages: Andy Carroll at Liverpool? Torres at Chelsea? Most clubs have got examples like this, and stupid wages are the Premier League way, especially for someone with international experience (no, he really did have this) like Heskey. I'll accept your point to the extent that the wages we were paying out may have had some impact on the money available to Houllier. But we're five years down the line since MON's departure. I think our malaise has got far more to do with Lerner's lack of interest and lowering of expectations than MON's legacy.
The difference between Andy Carroll and Heskey is that Liverpool moved Carroll on.
Heskey stayed out his entire contract, meaning he didn't just fetch no fee, we paid his wages the full 3.5 years, long after MON was gone.
It is only relatively recently that we've shed the last of those long contract, big money players.
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Moyes is doing exactly the same job in Spain that Sherwood is doing at Villa, ie failing miserably
they cant win a match, down the bottom of the league, his overall win % rate is actually worse than Sherwoods, which takes some believing
and he's the one who's going to turn it all round for us ?
then we have a go at the board for making bad choices when our favourite is an equivalent loser,
yes he's done ok in the past but its the present we live in
Except one has an extended, and fairly recent history in English football of achieving exactly the sort of half-decent results we need; while the other one has so far only proven that he works as a short-term shot in the arm.
EDIT: As for saying "it's the present we live in", well, Mourinho's gotten off to an incredibly shitty start as well; does that mean he's now a crap manager as well as being a general tosser?
sort of makes it a bit worse saying that
he's making a bigger hash of it than Sherwood with all that experience, at least Sherwood's a rookie maybe he will learn maybe he wont, but Moyes is failing and he's the finished article guaranteed to dig us out of the pit,
when in reality he's currently performing worse than the one we got
Or, the alternative (and I would submit is the far more convincing) inference is that he's having a short-term hiccup, and we should give more weight to his larger body of work. Even just last season he managed 37 points in 27 games, managing for the first time in a different country - why the fuck should we throw that out the window completely in favour of nine games to start this season?
because you can make a case for any manager you want, Lambert, Houllier, Sherwood
but we moan about the board making stupid decisions one after another,
when the favourite next manager of many on this site is a man currently doing even worse than the manager we have already have,
you couldnt make this stuff up
As has been pointed out already this is actually not true, as Moyes has played just 8 games, obviously you can make this stuff up!
I heard it on the radio this morning, I think they are using all the games each manager have had since joining not just this season
I haven't mathmaticaly worked it out myself and I'm not going to be either,
because 1. I don't know how to
and 2. I cant be arsed
but whoever is correct, as it stands they are both failing badly
yep he might be great he might not, either way its a risk,
I don't mind taking risks but I would rather take one on someone a tad more exciting
I don't think that Moyes is the guaranteed success everyone thinks he will be , and actually think he's just as big a gamble as many others
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Moyes over Sherwood. For sure. I think potentially we're exactly the sort of club that would suit him. I think he needs to come back to England. His style isn't suited for Spain. Last season Sociedad finished 12th which isn't too shabby for them generally, albeit after a couple of years of over achievement. It wasn't long ago they were languishing in the Segunda.
I think he'd make us tough to beat. I think we've got some decent enough players here who could work well for him. I think he'll keep us up.
We won't be brilliant. We won't be pretty but we'll survive.
Under Sherwood we're a shambles.
I'm not sure who else would come and do the job. I wouldn't be adverse to Rodgers either. I'm all for a foreign coach but it just doesn't seem like something we'd do, nor would we fork out top dollar for someone with a good rep. We got Houllier out of semi-retirement, a long way past his best, and having had 4-5 years in this country managing.
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Look. Assuming Sherwood is leaving B6 in the immediate future we have to employ someone else to get us out of this mess. Agreed
Moyes will do.He knows the Premier League and has been reasonably successful at his job in the not too distant past.
He is the favoured choice of most on here.
Fox needs to put the wheels in motion (if he hasn't already) and get him!
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Moyes over Sherwood. For sure. I think potentially we're exactly the sort of club that would suit him. I think he needs to come back to England. His style isn't suited for Spain. Last season Sociedad finished 12th which isn't too shabby for them generally, albeit after a couple of years of over achievement. It wasn't long ago they were languishing in the Segunda.
I think he'd make us tough to beat. I think we've got some decent enough players here who could work well for him. I think he'll keep us up.
We won't be brilliant. We won't be pretty but we'll survive.
Under Sherwood we're a shambles.
I'm not sure who else would come and do the job. I wouldn't be adverse to Rodgers either. I'm all for a foreign coach but it just doesn't seem like something we'd do, nor would we fork out top dollar for someone with a good rep. We got Houllier out of semi-retirement, a long way past his best, and having had 4-5 years in this country managing.
to be honest I'm pretty chilled about whoever a new manager is now that Pullis and Allardyce are out of the frame
any of the names mentioned apart from Pearson would be ok with me
the points i'm making about Moyes is he would still be a roll of the dice, as would any of the managers linked
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To turn our noses up at the likes of Moyes in our current situation would be up there with the daftest of decisions.
He's a risk - of course he's a risk- but very few managers aren't and even fewer (if any) are obtainable for us in our current shitty ways.
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To turn our noses up at the likes of Moyes in our current situation would be up there with the daftest of decisions.
It depends if you think we deserve to be in our position with the current squad and just how difficult to fix it it would be for a new manager.
Another point that should be considered is Moyes the right man to adapt to the club's strategy of buying young, talented players, mainly from Europe and developing them with a possibility of selling them on at our convenience? We had a similar situation when we hired Lambert and what was clearly evident was that he was the wrong man for that specific job.
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Moyes will do.
See, to me appointing someone just because he'll 'do' is far from making the right appointment
I don't want to keep chopping and changing managers every year. It has to be the right man for now and the future whoever it is
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I had a rant about this earlier in the day. We need to look at the squad and think who is best placed to play them effectively.
My biggest gripe in recent years is the hopeless lack of continuity in playing style from one manager to the next. It has cost us a fortune in sacking them and in wages when the players don't fit the new blokes ideas.
MON played on the break and with wingers getting early balls in to the box. Houllier had us trying to play a precise, high tempo passing game in midfield. McLeish tried a defensive, don't lose, counter approach. Lambert changed approach for 3 seasons. Sherwood changes approach every 45 minutes.
We need to pick a style (and we might as well start from the base we have). Ball players who are not cut out for up and at em style management.
Pick someone good enough to sort the current squad for the short and medium term. Them keep signing players, and replacing managers as necessary, with that philosophy as your guiding principal. It isn't rocket science.
The appointment when Sherwood gets the inevitable will be very interesting. And it is why I am reticent about signing Moyes up.
Randy fucking loves him though so we shall see who is running the show if he is available.
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Rogers for me as I think if we survive he will ultimately get us playing the most progressive football - and we do have some decent players in the squad to do so.
But a steady Moyes would also be ok right now.
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Both Roberto Donadoni and Cesare Prandelli are still available but are now on a shortlist to replace Delio Rossi at Bologna.
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However Bologna will only pay about 1/3 of the wages we pay even though they pay cash in a brown envelope!
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Anyone turning a nose up at moyes needs a reality slap .
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You can slap me then, because I would like to see his name on a long list from which the board selects. Snatching at the obvious British manager who we can get , feels like deja vu. At least cast the net wide for the very best before making the decision.
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Moyes is a proven Premiership manager - forget what happened at Old Trafford. His Everton mullered us a few times, a gamble he's not - whereas Tim was, I was desperate for him to be a success for a whole string of reasons but I fear its not to be, if Moyes is available - absolutely snatch his hand off.
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I'm not totally against Moyes by any means, but if you really can't see any downsides then you're just not looking hard enough.
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We can't appoint a manager just because his team thrashed us once or twice.
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I'm not totally against Moyes by any means, but if you really can't see any downsides then you're just not looking hard enough.
Every manager will have downsides. Moyes will be a solid choice in the long term whether we stay up or go down.
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I'm not totally against Moyes by any means, but if you really can't see any downsides then you're just not looking hard enough.
Every manager will have downsides. Moyes will be a solid choice in the long term whether we stay up or go down.
If we go down there'll need to be a total rebuild, and recent years have shown that actually one of the best ways to get promoted is to play really super-modern football. Bournemouth, Swansea, Southampton, did these teams come up by being boring and solid? No, Moyes would be a good choice if all we want is to stay in the league, but if we go down I'd want someone else.
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We can't appoint a manager just because his team thrashed us once or twice.
We are appointing him based on a rather good 10 year stint at Everton , a club more similar to villa in size , stature and expectations than any other in the UK.
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We can't appoint a manager just because his team thrashed us once or twice.
I would have to agree. It reminds me of when we used to sign players who played well against us.
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Moyes for me, if he 's not for you who ( given we are in deep shit, have you seen the next few fixtures? )would you suggest?
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We can't appoint a manager just because his team thrashed us once or twice.
We are appointing him based on a rather good 10 year stint at Everton , a club more similar to villa in size , stature and expectations than any other in the UK.
So, it's already been decided he's been appointed?
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IMO Rodgers would be a more progressive appointment if we can't snare Beisla or de Boer.
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We can't appoint a manager just because his team thrashed us once or twice.
We are appointing him based on a rather good 10 year stint at Everton , a club more similar to villa in size , stature and expectations than any other in the UK.
So, it's already been decided he's been appointed?
I was in the wrong tense
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No matter whether it was one of those types of players leaving or Tim Cahill retiring, the wheels just never really came off.
Cahill's not retired, he's played nearly a hundred matches for a couple of teams since he left Everton.
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Sir Alex is a big fan of Moyes
Maybe he can write a letter of recommendation
He's ever so good at that
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Sir Alex is a big fan of Moyes
Maybe he can write a letter of recommendation
He's ever so good at that
Have you ever stopped and pondered what McLeish's 2nd season might have looked like ? Arguably better than what TSM2 delivered
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We can't gamble on a foreign manager with no premiership experience, Moyes knows and understands the game here - a short spell in Spain notwithstanding, also, he didn't establish the reputation he had just by beating Aston Villa a few times, he at least knows how to structure a side - and I'm genuinely not sure Tim does. Any Managerial change is a gamble - I'd at least like to gamble on someone who knows, and has a proven track-record in the League he's competing in.
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Sir Alex is a big fan of Moyes
Maybe he can write a letter of recommendation
He's ever so good at that
Have you ever stopped and pondered what McLeish's 2nd season might have looked like ?
The same as every Alex McLeish Premier League season looks like?
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Sir Alex is a big fan of Moyes
Maybe he can write a letter of recommendation
He's ever so good at that
Have you ever stopped and pondered what McLeish's 2nd season might have looked like ?
Well sometimes it stops me from sleeping, does that count?
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Sir Alex is a big fan of Moyes
Maybe he can write a letter of recommendation
He's ever so good at that
Have you ever stopped and pondered what McLeish's 2nd season might have looked like ? Arguably better than what TSM2 delivered
Can't say I have mate
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I'm not totally against Moyes by any means, but if you really can't see any downsides then you're just not looking hard enough.
Every manager will have downsides. Moyes will be a solid choice in the long term whether we stay up or go down.
The thought of Moyes long ter.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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I'm not totally against Moyes by any means, but if you really can't see any downsides then you're just not looking hard enough.
Every manager will have downsides. Moyes will be a solid choice in the long term whether we stay up or go down.
The thought of Moyes long ter.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You may want to open your eyes and look around at our current predicament
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I'm not totally against Moyes by any means, but if you really can't see any downsides then you're just not looking hard enough.
Every manager will have downsides. Moyes will be a solid choice in the long term whether we stay up or go down.
The thought of Moyes long ter.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You may want to open your eyes and look around at our current predicament
So we need a quick fix. Carry on..
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IMO Rodgers would be a more progressive appointment if we can't snare Beisla or de Boer.
Why this thing with Biesla. He had no consistent track record, is 60 years old and not won a bean. Limited managerial experience in Europe as well
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I'm not totally against Moyes by any means, but if you really can't see any downsides then you're just not looking hard enough.
Every manager will have downsides. Moyes will be a solid choice in the long term whether we stay up or go down.
The thought of Moyes long ter.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The thought of Moyes long term - what do we class as long term? The last 5 years have been terrible. I could cope with the next 5 being in the top 10 and stable.
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Long term to me would be 3 wins in a row , then take it from there!
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Why this nonsense about him being 60, as though it's old for a manager? Capello was what 62 when he got the England job. Ranieri is 63.
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Why this thing with Biesla. He had no consistent track record, is 60 years old and not won a bean. Limited managerial experience in Europe as well
Did you actually research that statement before posting, because it's not exactly true. I'm gonna go with Pep Guardiola (and others) when he described Bielsa as the best coach in world.
Anyway, what has Moyes, Rodgers, Pearson, et al ever won (I feel a Python sketch coming on...)
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Do we really want to be gambling on some foreign chap that no ones heard of (unless you play computer games)? All these random names that people keep putting forward offer nothing, especially to a team that is in deep shite and sinking fast. It's a bit like the transfer market - fans don't want the solid proven British player as the chap from some league no one knows anything about sounds sexier.
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Do we really want to be gambling on some foreign chap that no ones heard of (unless you play computer games)? All these random names that people keep putting forward offer nothing, especially to a team that is in deep shite and sinking fast.
How do you know they offer nothing, unless you play computer games, too, obviously?
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I know that bringing someone in with no experience of the league or situation, in said league, is just as much of a gamble as sticking it out with TS, and cheaper.
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PS: My game playing days are well and truly over :)
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I know that bringing someone in with no experience of the league or situation, in said league, is just as much of a gamble as sticking it out with TS, and cheaper.
I would bank on an experienced manager from abroad who has never managed in this league having more chance than Sherwood any day of the week.
There's no point even considering sticking it out with Sherwood. Look what a gigantic pigs ear he's made of it already.
9 league games, 1 win, 1 draw, 7 defeats.
That's not just bad, that's properly shocking.
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Just had a new thought for Championship Manager 16/17.
Managers should be able to visit fans forums to see what's going down .
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Do we really want to be gambling on some foreign chap that no ones heard of (unless you play computer games)? All these random names that people keep putting forward offer nothing, especially to a team that is in deep shite and sinking fast. It's a bit like the transfer market - fans don't want the solid proven British player as the chap from some league no one knows anything about sounds sexier.
Or maybe it's because of the last 5 managers 4 were british and have shown themselves up as tactically naive and a fair few people are fed up of seeing the same shit week after week. Houllier as a person made a lot of mistakes and pissed a lot people off, and his health meant shifting him on was an easy decision but he's the only one we've had under Lerner who tried to modernise us. Sherwood talks a good game but when you watch the team it's pretty clear that he hasn't got a clue how to implement anything effective.
For me Moyes is the obvious 'safety first' appointment and that's exactly why he's the wrong man for the job, the whole club needs a massive kick up the arse and that's not going to happen if we keep doing what we have been. On top of that, however often people say it's irrelevant, he's failed in his last 2 jobs which makes you worry if the Man U job was too big for him and now his heart might not be in it knowing he fucked up his chance at the big time (even if it was a poison chalice).
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Looking back, Houllier was a fucking magician compared to the three utter dopes who have followed him.
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I know that bringing someone in with no experience of the league or situation, in said league, is just as much of a gamble as sticking it out with TS, and cheaper.
Yeah, you're right...look at that Klopp fella at Liverpool - huge risk...and Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Benitez, Pochettino...those foreign types with no PL experience (once upon a time)...and that Ferguson guy from Aberdeen, the one with the red nose, came to Utd with no PL experience either. Yes Scotland isn't strictly abroad, but you get the point. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.
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I know that bringing someone in with no experience of the league or situation, in said league, is just as much of a gamble as sticking it out with TS, and cheaper.
Yeah, you're right...look at that Klopp fella at Liverpool - huge risk...and Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Benitez, Pochettino...those foreign types with no PL experience (once upon a time)...and that Ferguson guy from Aberdeen, the one with the red nose, came to Utd with no PL experience either. Yes Scotland isn't strictly abroad, but you get the point. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.
It's a question of timing and suitability for the job at hand. Joining a stable setup is a very different job from joining a club that has spent the last few seasons lurching about like a drunk at closing time and is already looking set for another relegation battle. Anyone coming into our current situation has very little room for error. Not knowing the players is a given, not knowing the league is not.
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They know the league. It's not the 70s, where there isn't much footage and everything's a big mystery. The PL is the most televised and most broadcasted league in the world - speaking the language might be an issue, but knowing the league really really isn't.
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I would take a half fit Houllier in a heart beat, he was the one that could have set us up if circumstances had been different.
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IMO Rodgers would be a more progressive appointment if we can't snare Beisla or de Boer.
Why this thing with Biesla. He had no consistent track record, is 60 years old and not won a bean. Limited managerial experience in Europe as well
He is a genius. I would happily watch us get relegated with him in charge. Because we would be worth watching. Not that I think he would get us relegated but his teams are so entertaining regardless I would be genuinely proud if he joined our club, it would be one of the few times Lerners Villa actually impressed me in ambition.
I hope it happens.
/spoiler
It wont :(
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I agree to an extent Monty, but Ranieri had managed here before, Mourinho, Benitez, Ancellotti, Pelligrini all came into clubs at the top with big budgets and existing frameworks to build success with. Pocchetino although coming in towards the bottom at the time, came to a club with an incredibly tight knit group of very well established talented players and organised them slightly differently to Adkins who to that point had done a brilliant job, that many lauded. It is a shame he has not kicked on elsewhere, but it says much about the stability at Southampton and the structure in place that they can change manager without too many issues, likewise Swansea. We don't have that. We don't have an established style of play through the structure to bring kids through to the first team, we don't have a footballing philosephy from the top down and we certainly don't have stability on the pitch. I think we are crying out for a steadying hand at the moment, that will galvanise us and give the first team down some structure. For me Moyes is a good bet. Looking at Everton he did well with some of the youth, they had a steady belt of players come through, he bought reasonably well, some not so great, but he organised them to a tee, and we just seem such a mess at the moment he seems ideal if he wants it.
Got to get rid of Tim Sherwood first.
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I would take a half fit Houllier in a heart beat, he was the one that could have set us up if circumstances had been different.
Was that a phrase you deliberately used? ;)
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It's a cogent argument, Ozz. I just object to the generalising about 'foreign' managers, like they're all from one country - Abroad - and English up-and-at-'em will leave them floundering and bewildered, and probably gesticulating comically.
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Cogent at this time of night, I like.
I am a bit disheartened they have not told him to do one today.
Although the "waiting for Moyes to get the boot" theory might have something in it.
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I agree to an extent Monty, but Ranieri had managed here before, Mourinho, Benitez, Ancellotti, Pelligrini all came into clubs at the top with big budgets and existing frameworks to build success with. Pocchetino although coming in towards the bottom at the time, came to a club with an incredibly tight knit group of very well established talented players and organised them slightly differently to Adkins who to that point had done a brilliant job, that many lauded. It is a shame he has not kicked on elsewhere, but it says much about the stability at Southampton and the structure in place that they can change manager without too many issues, likewise Swansea. We don't have that. We don't have an established style of play through the structure to bring kids through to the first team, we don't have a footballing philosephy from the top down and we certainly don't have stability on the pitch. I think we are crying out for a steadying hand at the moment, that will galvanise us and give the first team down some structure. For me Moyes is a good bet. Looking at Everton he did well with some of the youth, they had a steady belt of players come through, he bought reasonably well, some not so great, but he organised them to a tee, and we just seem such a mess at the moment he seems ideal if he wants it.
Got to get rid of Tim Sherwood first.
What does not appear to have happened over the last 10 years is the development of a stable backbone to the club as a whole. I refer as an example to Graham Taylor's comments back in 1987 about the state of the club. I also refer to the comments more recently on another thread to the effect that the academy seems to be losing its way.
Ergo, the incoming manager needs to bring the depth of pan-club experience to effect a root-and-branch change in what goes on at the club, working with Fox and others to make it happen.
That may mean Moyes would be a better choice than - say - Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche; but that de Boer may be even better ...
TBH, who the hell knows?!
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I would take a half fit Houllier in a heart beat, he was the one that could have set us up if circumstances had been different.
Was that a phrase you deliberately used? ;)
I thought it covered everything.
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Klopp, Jose et al are in a different league to some of names being forwarded here. It's all academic anyway until TS gets the shove, and there's no indication from the club that it's even on the agenda. The papers are on it but then it's am obvious line to go down given our form.
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Mark Hughes wouldn't have been a bad choice. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Klopp, Jose et al are in a different league to some of names being forwarded here. It's all academic anyway until TS gets the shove, and there's no indication from the club that it's even on the agenda. The papers are on it but then it's am obvious line to go down given our form.
To play devils advocate, there had been no indication that Lambert was going to get the bullet, even in the aftermath of the Hull debacle. A few people on here picked up on his body language looking like a man who knew the game was up but from the club nothing until the "We wish to thank Paul for his efforts" or however they phrased it.
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Mark Hughes wouldn't have been a bad choice. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
But even he had a bad time at QPR
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Mark Hughes wouldn't have been a bad choice. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
But even he had a bad time at QPR
I've been saying Hughes since 2011. He's had a lot more positives than negatives over the years and would have been a good fit. I'd fancy him to get us out of the shit as much as any other realistic targets we could go for.
Garry Monk linked this morning. Done a good job at Swansea, likeable guy but I think the set up was already put in place at Swansea and he's just continued that. There may be more to him than that but in my eyes it would be a gamble (again) that we shouldn't be taking.
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Mark Hughes wouldn't have been a bad choice. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
But even he had a bad time at QPR
He's done well at Blackburn, Fulham, Wales and Stoke. Even did alright at City.
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Mark Hughes wouldn't have been a bad choice. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
But even he had a bad time at QPR
I've been saying Hughes since 2011. He's had a lot more positives than negatives over the years and would have been a good fit. I'd fancy him to get us out of the shit as much as any other realistic targets we could go for.
Garry Monk linked this morning. Done a good job at Swansea, likeable guy but I think the set up was already put in place at Swansea and he's just continued that. There may be more to him than that but in my eyes it would be a gamble (again) that we shouldn't be taking.
Monk is benefiting from the setup at Swansea. I can't see him fitting in at a club where no-one knows what the fuck they're doing.
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I see the Telegraph is touting Monk today. Personally I'd love to have him here but I just can't see it happening. Gary Monk (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11941406/Aston-Villa-may-turn-to-Swansea-manager-Garry-Monk-if-Tim-Sherwood-fails-to-turn-around-their-season.html)
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no to monk, not enough experience, would be another gamble.
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
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Klopp, Jose et al are in a different league to some of names being forwarded here.
Probably, but not by a million miles. Lucien Favre finished higher than Klopp's Dortmund last season on a fraction of the budget that Dortmund have. He's available and has a very solid track record across his fifteen years of football management with very few blips.
A guaranteed success with us? Obviously not. More of a risk than sticking with somebody who literally has nothing to back up why he should be managing a Premier League football team? I think not.
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Favre is a great call, again not someone I'd expect our dimwits to have heard of though. It'll be Pearson or we'll pay a few million for a Dyche.
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
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Favre is a great call, again not someone I'd expect our dimwits to have heard of though.
I've never heard of him.
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Favre is a great call, again not someone I'd expect our dimwits to have heard of though.
I've never heard of him.
He used to be quarterback for the Green Bay Packers.
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Favre is a great call, again not someone I'd expect our dimwits to have heard of though.
I've never heard of him.
He used to be quarterback for the Green Bay Packers.
He's no Shorty Krantz then.
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Favre - he should certainly be on the shortlist (if the board had any foresight).
In a similar vein: I was banging on about Tomas Tuchel this time last year. Out of work. On a Sabbatical. He went to Dortmund to replace Klopp in the summer so obviously too late for him.
But if I, with a BT Sports subscription, can earmark potential candidates, then why can't the board???
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Favre is a great call, again not someone I'd expect our dimwits to have heard of though. It'll be Pearson or we'll pay a few million for a Dyche.
I'd favour Favre
We could get one of his massive clocks swinging from the Holte End.
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
Mark Hughes an uninspiring clogger? I doubt if you will get many backers for that point of view.
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
I'd disagree that Sherwood has had nothing to lose.
He's as good as guaranteed that he won't get another job with the way he's gone about things, especially the last 3-4 weeks.
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He's as good as guaranteed that he won't get another job with the way he's gone about things, especially the last 3-4 weeks.
Perfect candidate for the Leeds job in three months time.
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He's as good as guaranteed that he won't get another job with the way he's gone about things, especially the last 3-4 weeks.
Perfect candidate for the Leeds job in three months time.
Sky pundit, in waiting. simples
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I am staggered given his media utterings that her is still in employment at the moment.
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I am staggered given his media utterings that her is still in employment at the moment.
If I was clever enough I'd post the image. http://www.theclash.com/gb/music/albums/give-em-enough-rope
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
Mark Hughes an uninspiring clogger? I doubt if you will get many backers for that point of view.
Maybe not clogger... But he doesn't inspire me, despite his relative success at Stoke.
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We're a quarter of the way into the season. Any manager who believes in themselves should think that we're hardly the biggest mess in the world to sort out, however bad it seems.
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I am staggered given his media utterings that her is still in employment at the moment.
If I was clever enough I'd post the image. (http://www.theclash.com/media/article-images/mid/bc67e06b8b6ac8be64b51689ce951dfd.jpg)
Was that what you were trying for?
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
When did Advocaat take over Sunderland last season? March was it? With them in a far more desperate situation than we find ourselves in now (or even than we found ourselves when we fired Lambert last season).
Happy to take a short-term contract with a big bonus if he kept them up. Which he went and seemed to do so with a minimum of fuss.
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I am staggered given his media utterings that her is still in employment at the moment.
If I was clever enough I'd post the image. (http://www.theclash.com/media/article-images/mid/bc67e06b8b6ac8be64b51689ce951dfd.jpg)
Was that what you were trying for?
Teachers pet
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I am staggered given his media utterings that her is still in employment at the moment.
If I was clever enough I'd post the image. (http://www.theclash.com/media/article-images/mid/bc67e06b8b6ac8be64b51689ce951dfd.jpg)
Was that what you were trying for?
Teachers pet
its witchcraft I tells ya
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Just showing off!
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I am staggered given his media utterings that her is still in employment at the moment.
Me too and it's obvious he's got at least another game sadly.
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Monk would be a disaster, he's had success at Swansea due to walking into an already set up system that he knows well, our board probably just see him doing a good job there and think its as simple as that.
If we wanted to go down the Monk route in a couple of years then Bielsa would be ideal now but then have we got the time in our current position to attempt to revolutionize the club? This should have been thought about before appointing Sherwood, who was the right man last season to give us the short term confidence needed to stay up, what he wasn't though was the man to give a fucking 4 year contract too, if the board would have given him a contract till the end of the season then he'd of left us with some success on his CV and we'd be forever greatful to him and then in a good place to appoint a manger like Bielsa with the future in mind to then appoint managers such as Rogers/ Monk who can play to that style, unfortunately our board make decisions on a whim and now were in the position of needing another quick fix instead of putting together a plan for the future.
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Favre is a great call, again not someone I'd expect our dimwits to have heard of though. It'll be Pearson or we'll pay a few million for a Dyche.
That's exactly what will happen.
We'll have a long protracted saga of trying to appoint Dyche. He wont be able to bring is own staff due to contractual issues, and it will cost us a world record in compo because Fox was found to have 'Netlix 'n chilled' with Dyche whilst he was still Burnley boss.
Burnley will subsequently appoint Carlo Ancelotti to replace him.
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this is all total supposition though ; there isn't one iota of evidence to suggest Tim is going anywhere. I honestly believe they have no appetite to fire and hire again this season unless it's become Stevie Wonder obvious that we really are in the shit. Much as I don't think now he is fit for purpose I can't see any action until Christmas.
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this is all total supposition though ; there isn't one iota of evidence to suggest Tim is going anywhere. I honestly believe they have no appetite to fire and hire again this season unless it's become Stevie Wonder obvious that we really are in the shit. Much as I don't think now he is fit for purpose I can't see any action until Christmas.
Which is exactly what people were saying until the day McLeish got fired and exactly what people were saying about Lambert last season. Our board are generally very patient with people but they have acted and so far every time it has been soon enough for us to not go down despite repeated cries of us being doomed for most of the season.
I suspect they have some targets in mind and when it's clear those won't be met he'll be on his bike, just because we don't know what they are we shouldn't assume they can't exist.
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this is all total supposition though ; there isn't one iota of evidence to suggest Tim is going anywhere. I honestly believe they have no appetite to fire and hire again this season unless it's become Stevie Wonder obvious that we really are in the shit. Much as I don't think now he is fit for purpose I can't see any action until Christmas.
There is no way they will risk going down, so Sherwood is hanging on by a thread. I think with the latest blasts coming out from Collymore and especially in his support of Sherwood, that for me is the tell tale signs that it will all end very soon.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they sack him immediately after the Swansea game, win, lose or draw. The three points are the most important thing right now so why disrupt the week where we stand our most likely chance of actually winning a game.
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
When did Advocaat take over Sunderland last season? March was it? With them in a far more desperate situation than we find ourselves in now (or even than we found ourselves when we fired Lambert last season).
Happy to take a short-term contract with a big bonus if he kept them up. Which he went and seemed to do so with a minimum of fuss.
I thought they were 17th when he took over? We are 19th, and were 18th when Sherwood arrived. They were crap and struggling but not sure they were in a far more desperate situation than we were when Sherwood arrived, or we are now.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they sack him immediately after the Swansea game, win, lose or draw. The three points are the most important thing right now so why disrupt the week where we stand our most likely chance of actually winning a game.
That might be the case. The dye is cast and it might just be that they are working on the replacement and details regarding his departure before making it official. Sherwood is...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PPtLc0nRVZU/TXy6Z3gi63I/AAAAAAAAAFA/AWx1wMmwNN0/s1600/Dead_Man_Walking_11176_Medium.jpg)
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It wouldn't surprise me if they sack him immediately after the Swansea game, win, lose or draw. The three points are the most important thing right now so why disrupt the week where we stand our most likely chance of actually winning a game.
That might be the case. The dye is cast and it might just be that they are working on the replacement and details regarding his departure before making it official. Sherwood is...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PPtLc0nRVZU/TXy6Z3gi63I/AAAAAAAAAFA/AWx1wMmwNN0/s1600/Dead_Man_Walking_11176_Medium.jpg)
Sean Penn ??
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
When did Advocaat take over Sunderland last season? March was it? With them in a far more desperate situation than we find ourselves in now (or even than we found ourselves when we fired Lambert last season).
Happy to take a short-term contract with a big bonus if he kept them up. Which he went and seemed to do so with a minimum of fuss.
I thought they were 17th when he took over? We are 19th, and were 18th when Sherwood arrived. They were crap and struggling but not sure they were in a far more desperate situation than we were when Sherwood arrived, or we are now.
They looked dead and buried, even we hammered them.
Advocaat performed a miracle keeping themup.
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Klopp, Jose et al are in a different league to some of names being forwarded here.
Probably, but not by a million miles. Lucien Favre finished higher than Klopp's Dortmund last season on a fraction of the budget that Dortmund have. He's available and has a very solid track record across his fifteen years of football management with very few blips.
A guaranteed success with us? Obviously not. More of a risk than sticking with somebody who literally has nothing to back up why he should be managing a Premier League football team? I think not.
Flavor Favre could well be on the radar of Augsburg by the weekend according to a few reports in Germany. They finished 5th last season but are now bottom of the league after 9 games. Favre is everything Sherwood isn't, that's for sure.
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So did we when Sherwood took over. We were both in similar 'form' as well. Now we're 4 points from safety already and have lost 7 out of 8. Both us and them were shit and in trouble, I just don't see how theirs were far more serious than ours was, and is. We had/have more games to save ourselves, but at least they were outside the bottom 3 at the time.
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It's Catch 22, I think. Any manager good enough to save us won't want to come, why should they?
Premier League, prestigious club, good fan base, potentially a squad that should be a few places higher. Ego.
That's why I'd take the job! But the risk of relegation may be too great for a manager who isn't a) a chancer or newby with little to lose (Tim Sherwood, Rowlett) or b) an uninspiring clogger (Mark Hughes, Tony Pulis et al) and we really need one who's several degrees better than either of those.
When did Advocaat take over Sunderland last season? March was it? With them in a far more desperate situation than we find ourselves in now (or even than we found ourselves when we fired Lambert last season).
Happy to take a short-term contract with a big bonus if he kept them up. Which he went and seemed to do so with a minimum of fuss.
I thought they were 17th when he took over? We are 19th, and were 18th when Sherwood arrived. They were crap and struggling but not sure they were in a far more desperate situation than we were when Sherwood arrived, or we are now.
Yeah, that's fair.
I feel though that in the context of "is a decent manager going to want to come in if the situation looks bad", I would say that 19th with three quarters of the season left would be preferable for that incoming manager than 17th with eight games or so left.
Although I think that the overriding point in both cases is that an out-of-work manager is probably going to be happy to go to you regardless of how dire things look as long as he is paid enough for it.
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On Moyes and his immediate future, Sid Lowe (who seems to know as much as anybody English-speaking about this sort of thing) says that the Real Sociedad President is still fully behind Moyes as he was his pick to come in the first place. So he's a bit entrenched in his position.
The rest of the board who weren't particularly in favour to him coming in to start with are rather keen to see him leave.
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We're in a death spiral. As much as I'd like him to come Moyes would be mad to take us on. The only thing that might work would be to appoint Moyes and guarantee that even if we went down he'd be given proper resources to get us back up and to draw up a new blue print. I can't see the current management team thinking that far ahead though.
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Andre Villas Boas - finished champions and runners up the last 2 seasons, and has said he wants out of Zenit at the end of the season. PL experience, fluent English speaker. Young, ambitious, yep there's no chance he will come to us.
Great fit though Aston Villas Boas.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they sack him immediately after the Swansea game, win, lose or draw. The three points are the most important thing right now so why disrupt the week where we stand our most likely chance of actually winning a game.
That might be the case. The dye is cast and it might just be that they are working on the replacement and details regarding his departure before making it official. Sherwood is...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PPtLc0nRVZU/TXy6Z3gi63I/AAAAAAAAAFA/AWx1wMmwNN0/s1600/Dead_Man_Walking_11176_Medium.jpg)
Sean Penn ??
Sigourney Weaver even ?
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It wouldn't surprise me if they sack him immediately after the Swansea game, win, lose or draw. The three points are the most important thing right now so why disrupt the week where we stand our most likely chance of actually winning a game.
That might be the case. The dye is cast and it might just be that they are working on the replacement and details regarding his departure before making it official. Sherwood is...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PPtLc0nRVZU/TXy6Z3gi63I/AAAAAAAAAFA/AWx1wMmwNN0/s1600/Dead_Man_Walking_11176_Medium.jpg)
Sean Penn ??
Sigourney Weaver even ?
Haha maybe even Susan Sarandon
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Swansea aren't doing that great, crap at home they haven't won since Man United I think. I'd avoid him personally
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We need experience.
An experienced coach who can organise players into playing different systems and see when the opposition are changing their system and react to it straight away.
An experienced manager who can handle players' egos and get respect, so that the players will work for the manager.
For me, it does not matter whether that person has PL experience or not. There is more chance of getting a better coach from overseas. Actually, thinking about it, that is almost a cast iron certainty. PL experience will possibly get a manager that can handle the egos of British players and foreign players that have been here long term. Respect will initially come from reputation and then earned by his ability in the job.
For me, this rules out the likes of Monk, Pearson etc. who have had some short term success. Any choice will be a gamble, so reduce the risk by paying top dollar and selling the club to a top manager.
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Andre Villas Boas - finished champions and runners up the last 2 seasons, and has said he wants out of Zenit at the end of the season. PL experience, fluent English speaker. Young, ambitious, yep there's no chance he will come to us.
Great fit though Aston Villas Boas.
Considering Tim's last media campaign was to undermine and usurp AVB's position, if he succeeded Sherwood here and kept us up that would be hilarious. I'm not sure about him, to be honest, but he does have more experience now so maybe he's ironed-out those rough edges.
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does he still go through the entire game crouched down like a pensive cat? Such posture can't be good for the trousers.
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Klopp, Jose et al are in a different league to some of names being forwarded here.
Probably, but not by a million miles. Lucien Favre finished higher than Klopp's Dortmund last season on a fraction of the budget that Dortmund have. He's available and has a very solid track record across his fifteen years of football management with very few blips.
A guaranteed success with us? Obviously not. More of a risk than sticking with somebody who literally has nothing to back up why he should be managing a Premier League football team? I think not.
Flavor Favre could well be on the radar of Augsburg by the weekend according to a few reports in Germany. They finished 5th last season but are now bottom of the league after 9 games. Favre is everything Sherwood isn't, that's for sure.
Haven't really been much of a fan of his work post Public Enemy.
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My issue with AVB is that his voice gets lower and lower and less and less audible the worse things get. To the point the only thing that can make out what he is saying is a certain breed of Portugese hunting dog. Can you imagine a party with him and Avram Grant, Sherwood and Lambert? Miserable conversation along with two blokes looking like they slept with raccoons the night before.
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AVB is brilliant at getting under barriers though thanks to the permanent crouch
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this is all total supposition though ; there isn't one iota of evidence to suggest Tim is going anywhere. I honestly believe they have no appetite to fire and hire again this season unless it's become Stevie Wonder obvious that we really are in the shit. Much as I don't think now he is fit for purpose I can't see any action until Christmas.
Which is exactly what people were saying until the day McLeish got fired and exactly what people were saying about Lambert last season. Our board are generally very patient with people but they have acted and so far every time it has been soon enough for us to not go down despite repeated cries of us being doomed for most of the season.
I suspect they have some targets in mind and when it's clear those won't be met he'll be on his bike, just because we don't know what they are we shouldn't assume they can't exist.
this is what I think should and probably will happen. He's clearly out of his depth, but give him a realistic target and if he can't deliver, then cheerio Tim.
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AVB is brilliant at getting under barriers though thanks to the permanent crouch
You have to worry for the bloke though. Hemorrhoids wise.
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yes, but I think he gets progressively lower and then just rubs along the ground for relief
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this is all total supposition though ; there isn't one iota of evidence to suggest Tim is going anywhere. I honestly believe they have no appetite to fire and hire again this season unless it's become Stevie Wonder obvious that we really are in the shit. Much as I don't think now he is fit for purpose I can't see any action until Christmas.
Which is exactly what people were saying until the day McLeish got fired and exactly what people were saying about Lambert last season. Our board are generally very patient with people but they have acted and so far every time it has been soon enough for us to not go down despite repeated cries of us being doomed for most of the season.
I suspect they have some targets in mind and when it's clear those won't be met he'll be on his bike, just because we don't know what they are we shouldn't assume they can't exist.
this is what I think should and probably will happen. He's clearly out of his depth, but give him a realistic target and if he can't deliver, then cheerio Tim.
According to the man himself he has been given a target - finishing 17th. I'm not sure there can be a more realistic target than that, yet all the signs so far suggest that he is not even going to be able to achieve that.
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Then why did he say Villa would never be in this situation again? now it seems we are in that situation he's rolling out hat 17th is the target - clearly a man struggling and facing the sack.
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Then why did he say Villa would never be in this situation again? now it seems we are in that situation he's rolling out hat 17th is the target - clearly a man struggling and facing the sack.
Maybe he meant never in the situation of finishing 17th and avoiding relegation again, he knew under him we'd go down.
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even in our reduced state I refuse to believe that our expectation is to avoid relegation by one place and consider it a triumph. If so, we'd have saved ourselves a lot of money by simply hanging on to TSM
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I can't believe any club would or should have 17th place as a target. Even a newly promoted club like Bournemouth. Surely you have to aim higher from day one even if you would obviously take 17th place if you eventually ended up in a relegation battle.
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well Dave, lets hope cameras spot you in the ground tomorrow and then later on, regardless of the result, you're being interviewed as the new manager of our great club
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Come on David, you know you want the job! 🙏
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Whoever replaces us now is going to need to have a couple of decent players to come in to steady the ship because I can not see how those players will get enough points to keep us up.
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Or they could just play Clark, Kozak, Veretout, Amavi, Sanchez – in their proper positions – and make it look easy.
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Or they could just play Clark, Kozak, Veretout, Amavi, Sanchez – in their proper positions – and make it look easy.
I find it really, really hard to believe that Kozak - who seems to have been alienated - would not have contributed more than Gestede today, who gave one of the most ineffective individual performances I've seen in absolutely ages.
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Or they could just play Clark, Kozak, Veretout, Amavi, Sanchez – in their proper positions – and make it look easy.
I find it really, really hard to believe that Kozak - who seems to have been alienated - would not have contributed more than Gestede today, who gave one of the most ineffective individual performances I've seen in absolutely ages.
He did the same last week.
Was Kozak on the bench?
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Or they could just play Clark, Kozak, Veretout, Amavi, Sanchez – in their proper positions – and make it look easy.
I find it really, really hard to believe that Kozak - who seems to have been alienated - would not have contributed more than Gestede today, who gave one of the most ineffective individual performances I've seen in absolutely ages.
He did the same last week.
Was Kozak on the bench?
No.
What's more, I don't get why Veretout wasn't on the bench.
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Back on topic, at this point, while not my first choice I would be tickled fucking pink if Moyes rolled into VP next week.
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Maybe Veretout had a knock, or maybe it's just that when we're pretty much fully fit as a squad, someone has to miss out.
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I'd honestly take Tony Pulis at this rate.
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I'd honestly take Tony Pulis at this rate.
Woooah, let's not say anything too hasty in the heat of the moment!
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I'd honestly take Tony Pulis at this rate.
Please say seven Hail Mary's and never swear again. Now, go to your room!!
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I'd honestly take Tony Pulis at this rate.
I take it you don't mean in the carnal sense? Unless you have a ting for middle aged men in baseball caps.
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I'd honestly take Tony Pulis at this rate.
Well there you go. The last stage before mass suicide has been mentioned!
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Chris Hutchins is currently available and being sounded out.
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We've got 4 points from 10 games - 28 games in the season left to get an estimated 36 points, 1.3 points per game - effectively lower-mid table form is required for the rest of the season, with no room for error.
If the club are going to give any other manager the job they must do it now, becuase any later, with fewer games to achieve the 40 point level, or whatever the safety point will be this season, is going to get tougher and tougher with every game and weekend that passes.
Just to be fair to the next manager and the club as a whole, that would have to happen sometime very soon, you'd hope.
Otherwise, they've got to stick with Sherwood and hope for the best.
We're in a hugely deep hole right now, and going down looks a little more likely than staying up.
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What's Joe Kinnear upto these days?
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Or they could just play Clark, Kozak, Veretout, Amavi, Sanchez – in their proper positions – and make it look easy.
I find it really, really hard to believe that Kozak - who seems to have been alienated - would not have contributed more than Gestede today, who gave one of the most ineffective individual performances I've seen in absolutely ages.
He did the same last week.
Was Kozak on the bench?
No.
What's more, I don't get why Veretout wasn't on the bench.
I get the impression he doesn't really want to play Gill either. Sherwood's weird.
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Rather have Steve Bruce.
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What's Joe Kinnear upto these days?
Dynamic duo with Dennis Wise, dream team
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Rather have Steve Bruce.
Joe Pike would sort it out.
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It would be a grim spectacle, but that would be an improvement on the past four years.
When he went to Palarse, he inherited players who were more comfortable in possession than his Stoke thugs. So he brought a bit of organisation and some sort of shape to that. Things go wrong when he's in a job long enough to shape a side exactly as he wants.
From where we are at the moment, I'll take uninspiring football and grinding out enough 1-0's to stay up over uninspiring football and regular home defeats.
Naturally should we go that route, the prayer mat would be out and we'd hopefully pot him in a year -18 months when the new overlords take over.
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wrong link
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Rather have Steve Bruce.
I'm not Moyes' biggest fan but, erm, okay.
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The Spanish press are taking the piss out of Moyes who looks like he'll be sacked for a record approaching Sherwood's.
Mundo Deportivo have a full page article today on TSMIII, which they titled “Moyes’ 7 deadly sins”.
1:DM “I want to build a team that fights for a European spot in 15/16”.
Sociedad currently above relegation zone on goal difference.
2: DM “My philosophy is to win. If it’s in style, great. If not, it’s still great”.
Sociedad have only won one out of their 8 league matches played.
3: DM “I want to immerse myself and plan on speaking the language quickly”.
11 months in, he barely speaks Spanish and he’s struggling to communicate with his players.
4: DM “There will be changes in Zubieta (training ground). Training is my strong point”.
Mundo Desportivo says that people who have seen his sessions call them ‘antiquated’.
5: DM “My ideal is to play attacking football and for people to be inspired”.
8 league games played, 6 goals scored, 9 goals conceded.
6: DM “We need to fight with Sevilla, Valencia, Athletic, Atletico Madrid and Villarreal.”
All are above Sociedad in the table. Villareal and Atletico Madrid are 10 points higher than Real Sociedad, Valencia 6 points higher, Sevilla 3 points higher.
7: DM “Hervías, Oyarzun, and Capilla will be in the first team.”
Hervías got loaned to Real Ovieda, Oyarzun has played 44 minutes in the cup, and Capillahas played just 11 minutes in La Liga.
Here's hoping he wins tomorrow and Real Sociedad keep him there for a week or two.
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No no no.
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"And you can bring ya fackin' dinner" never ceases to amuse me.
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And you can bring yer f****kin dinner with you
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"And you can bring ya fackin' dinner" never ceases to amuse me.
Brilliant, could not be any worse.
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I think the Man. United experienced has damaged Moyes, I'd prefer Rodgers of the two as I feel he could keep us up AND build us something long term which Sherwood and Lambert have failed dismally at.
Still if it is Moyes he's shown he can grind out results like a Big Sam or Pulis can and this is desperate times for us.
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The worrying thing is these seems to be too fewer candidates.
The idea that a failing Moyes is going to be our saviour, that Rodgers could handle or would want the job or the board likely to pull a gem out of the hat is unlikely.
I would give a shout for Rowett, it would fuck them up and at least give us a chance of promotion next season.
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"And you can bring ya fackin' dinner" never ceases to amuse me.
I used it once. A lad chucked his rubbish on the floor walking past my house. I told him to put it in the bin 10 yards away and he refused. So I called him a "fucking tramp" to which he got most upset, and threatened to bring his entire extended family to sort me out, which of course set it up, an absolute tap in.
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"And you can bring ya fackin' dinner" never ceases to amuse me.
I used it once. A lad chucked his rubbish on the floor walking past my house. I told him to put it in the bin 10 yards away and he refused. So I called him a "fucking tramp" to which he got most upset, and threatened to bring his entire extended family to sort me out, which of course set it up, an absolute tap in.
I fucking hate people who drop litter.
I know it is all a bit "old git" to be like that, but I've been that way since i was a teenager. There's no fucking excuse for it.
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I think judging Moyes in Spain is a bit misleading though. He did will last season and in this league he had done much better than anything else we have brought in apart from Houllier. The side is desperate for some organising and a plan.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
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Moyes would have nothing to lose. If we went down it'd be no slight on him given the starting point and if we stayed up he'd be a hero. Following Sherwood would be a liberating experience as opposed to the thankless task of following Fergy and I reckon he'd nail it no problem. Get him in pronto.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
Yep.
I'm sorry but fuck it. We are in an absolutely desperate mess, we need somebody that seriously knows what they're doing, and isn't coming off the back of a couple of failures.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
So who would you suggest? Moyes would be a great option for us in our current position I think
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I'd prefer Rodgers over Moyes.
Yes I know the O'Leary esque bo**ocks that he seems to utter after every game would grate but I think lost in his Liverpool reign is he is a decent coach and he can work well with young players, he turned Sterling into a 50m player after all.
I think Rodgers would be a good fit for a squad with Amavi, Gil, Grealish etc in it, I think he could produce something that could win games and be entertaining to watch.
Moyes would be different, it would be more grind and scrap out results. Long term I'm not sure what he'd come up with.
Anyway just get in a manager who can win games once in a win, it would be a pleasant change.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
Yep.
I'm sorry but fuck it. We are in an absolutely desperate mess, we need somebody that seriously knows what they're doing, and isn't coming off the back of a couple of failures.
Yup. We usually take a while to turn our new managers into losers desperate to try and ressurect their reputations. With Moyes he is already there.
I want Randy to spend big and bring in a manager at the top of his game, understands modern tactics and knows he will be backed significantly during the next two windows.
We are a big club dammit. I am tired of our managerial appointments being so fucking small time.
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Moyes would have nothing to lose. If we went down it'd be no slight on him given the starting point and if we stayed up he'd be a hero. Following Sherwood would be a liberating experience as opposed to the thankless task of following Fergy and I reckon he'd nail it no problem. Get him in pronto.
If he took us down his reputation would be in tatters regardless of what he inherits. However, he would be well placed to get us back up
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You want to swap one manage that cannot organise a defence for another?
The only thing more comical than Liverpool's attempt at defending when we played them was our own.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
So who would you suggest? Moyes would be a great option for us in our current position I think
Bielsa, Prandelli, we could even just muscle up to a club and actually pay to take their manager for a change who knows? There are a lot of good managers out there.
God if the likes of West Ham, Southampton & Spurs can go out and attract good foreign managers, a cliub like Aston Villa sure as hell should be able to.
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Pros and cons for both Moyes and Rodgers.
Someone today mentioned Harry Redknapp........
If that happened I reckon it would be time to put the "Closed" sign up and lock the door.
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I'd prefer Rodgers over Moyes.
Yes I know the O'Leary esque bo**ocks that he seems to utter after every game would grate but I think lost in his Liverpool reign is he is a decent coach and he can work well with young players, he turned Sterling into a 50m player after all.
I think Rodgers would be a good fit for a squad with Amavi, Gil, Grealish etc in it, I think he could produce something that could win games and be entertaining to watch.
Moyes would be different, it would be more grind and scrap out results. Long term I'm not sure what he'd come up with.
Anyway just get in a manager who can win games once in a win, it would be a pleasant change.
I'm unsure about Rodgers, but I'd tend to agree about that the looks like it suits him.
At least we'd have a plan I suppose. Although he'd need a postman's sack to carry those letters with the names of the players that will let him down this season.
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You want to swap one manage that cannot organise a defence for another?
The only thing more comical than Liverpool's attempt at defending when we played them was our own.
Swansea's first season in premier league, they kept 14 clean sheets.
http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2513&comp_id=1&teamTabs=results
First season at Liverpool he kept 16 clean sheets.
http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1563&season_id=141&teamTabs=results
13/14 was all out attack, bit like us that one season under MON when we scored 70 goals.
Last season he didn't have a scooby.
Kept a couple of clean sheets this season before it all went tits up.
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The Special One might be on the market soon
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The Special One might be on the market soon
I would take him!
He woukd be special to keep us up
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
So who would you suggest? Moyes would be a great option for us in our current position I think
Bielsa, Prandelli, we could even just muscle up to a club and actually pay to take their manager for a change who knows? There are a lot of good managers out there.
God if the likes of West Ham, Southampton & Spurs can go out and attract good foreign managers, a cliub like Aston Villa sure as hell should be able to.
It is easier in the summer to be fair, what we need now is someone to come in and sort us out and I think Moyes is that man. As for Rodgers, I think he has made it known he don't want to come
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The Special One might be on the market soon
As your location suggests, that is outside the box.
There would be a perfect synergies between an impending Mourinho breakdown and our accelerated descent to coverage on Channel 5, relegation confirmed as the absent manager is driving shoeless to Dundee with Pete Colley tied up in his boot.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
So who would you suggest? Moyes would be a great option for us in our current position I think
Bielsa, Prandelli, we could even just muscle up to a club and actually pay to take their manager for a change who knows? There are a lot of good managers out there.
God if the likes of West Ham, Southampton & Spurs can go out and attract good foreign managers, a cliub like Aston Villa sure as hell should be able to.
It is easier in the summer to be fair, what we need now is someone to come in and sort us out and I think Moyes is that man. As for Rodgers, I think he has made it known he don't want to come
The Special One might be on the market soon
As your location suggests, that is outside the box.
There would be a perfect synergies between an impending Mourinho breakdown and our accelerated descent to coverage on Channel 5, relegation confirmed as the absent manager is driving shoeless to Dundee with Pete Colley tied up in his boot.
And an addiction not to the small Toblerones, but the medium-sized ones.
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It is easier in the summer to be fair, what we need now is someone to come in and sort us out and I think Moyes is that man. As for Rodgers, I think he has made it known he don't want to come
The summer point is a good one.
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This sounds all so familiar.
Be careful what you wish for (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2581252-is-david-moyes-spanish-adventure-at-real-sociedad-coming-to-an-end)
Moyes' Real Sociedad not only aren't winning, they aren't scoring. Or attacking. Or entertaining. Or giving any indication they might do so.
Watching Real Sociedad right now is a difficult experience. Though the team is organised, though they're hardly shambolic, there's an unshakeable sense of confusion in attack, muddled thinking becoming paralysis. The ball goes sideways more than it does forward. Their motion is stagnant more than it is fluid. The buildup is painfully slow. Invention is absent.
Moyes strikes me as the second last manager I'd want to go in and try and pick up a group of players. TSMII is obviously the last.
I really hope the club this time have really done their homework.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
So who would you suggest? Moyes would be a great option for us in our current position I think
Bielsa, Prandelli, we could even just muscle up to a club and actually pay to take their manager for a change who knows? There are a lot of good managers out there.
God if the likes of West Ham, Southampton & Spurs can go out and attract good foreign managers, a cliub like Aston Villa sure as hell should be able to.
It is easier in the summer to be fair, what we need now is someone to come in and sort us out and I think Moyes is that man. As for Rodgers, I think he has made it known he don't want to come
The Special One might be on the market soon
As your location suggests, that is outside the box.
There would be a perfect synergies between an impending Mourinho breakdown and our accelerated descent to coverage on Channel 5, relegation confirmed as the absent manager is driving shoeless to Dundee with Pete Colley tied up in his boot.
And an addiction not to the small Toblerones, but the medium-sized ones.
Well Mourinho does look clinically sad.
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This sounds all so familiar.
Be careful what you wish for (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2581252-is-david-moyes-spanish-adventure-at-real-sociedad-coming-to-an-end)
Moyes' Real Sociedad not only aren't winning, they aren't scoring. Or attacking. Or entertaining. Or giving any indication they might do so.
Watching Real Sociedad right now is a difficult experience. Though the team is organised, though they're hardly shambolic, there's an unshakeable sense of confusion in attack, muddled thinking becoming paralysis. The ball goes sideways more than it does forward. Their motion is stagnant more than it is fluid. The buildup is painfully slow. Invention is absent.
Moyes strikes me as the second last manager I'd want to go in and try and pick up a group of players. TSMII is obviously the last.
I really hope the club this time have really done their homework.
They are going to stick with Tim eh? for another few weeks yet I fear.
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
So who would you suggest? Moyes would be a great option for us in our current position I think
Bielsa, Prandelli, we could even just muscle up to a club and actually pay to take their manager for a change who knows? There are a lot of good managers out there.
God if the likes of West Ham, Southampton & Spurs can go out and attract good foreign managers, a cliub like Aston Villa sure as hell should be able to.
It is easier in the summer to be fair, what we need now is someone to come in and sort us out and I think Moyes is that man. As for Rodgers, I think he has made it known he don't want to come
The Special One might be on the market soon
As your location suggests, that is outside the box.
There would be a perfect synergies between an impending Mourinho breakdown and our accelerated descent to coverage on Channel 5, relegation confirmed as the absent manager is driving shoeless to Dundee with Pete Colley tied up in his boot.
And an addiction not to the small Toblerones, but the medium-sized ones.
Well Mourinho does look clinically sad.
To be fair he may be clinically sad, but not so bad to join us ;-) . Just imagine how clinically sad he would be managing us
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This sounds all so familiar.
Be careful what you wish for (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2581252-is-david-moyes-spanish-adventure-at-real-sociedad-coming-to-an-end)
Moyes' Real Sociedad not only aren't winning, they aren't scoring. Or attacking. Or entertaining. Or giving any indication they might do so.
Watching Real Sociedad right now is a difficult experience. Though the team is organised, though they're hardly shambolic, there's an unshakeable sense of confusion in attack, muddled thinking becoming paralysis. The ball goes sideways more than it does forward. Their motion is stagnant more than it is fluid. The buildup is painfully slow. Invention is absent.
Moyes strikes me as the second last manager I'd want to go in and try and pick up a group of players. TSMII is obviously the last.
I really hope the club this time have really done their homework.
They are going to stick with Tim eh? for another few weeks yet I fear.
I think he will be gone by Monday afternoon, his indifference was a disgrace. We have had some bad managers but they seemed to care, when he says Villa are in a hole but he is not is so wrong IMO
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If we are going to settle for British/Irish shite management yet again I suppose he is the best candidate, it would just be massively dissapointing to repeat the very same mistake yet again.
Sigh.
So who would you suggest? Moyes would be a great option for us in our current position I think
Bielsa, Prandelli, we could even just muscle up to a club and actually pay to take their manager for a change who knows? There are a lot of good managers out there.
God if the likes of West Ham, Southampton & Spurs can go out and attract good foreign managers, a cliub like Aston Villa sure as hell should be able to.
It is easier in the summer to be fair, what we need now is someone to come in and sort us out and I think Moyes is that man. As for Rodgers, I think he has made it known he don't want to come
The Special One might be on the market soon
As your location suggests, that is outside the box.
There would be a perfect synergies between an impending Mourinho breakdown and our accelerated descent to coverage on Channel 5, relegation confirmed as the absent manager is driving shoeless to Dundee with Pete Colley tied up in his boot.
And an addiction not to the small Toblerones, but the medium-sized ones.
Well Mourinho does look clinically sad.
To be fair he may be clinically sad, but not so bad to join us ;-) . Just imagine how clinically sad he would be managing us
I need to correct myself. He's clinically fed up.
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Looks like we've got our first quotation in a long time. Can we sink any lower under Sherwood?
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Moyes and Spain does not seem to be working, but he is good enough for us, too good I would say.
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Hope he stays in Spain.can't fucking stand him.
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Hope he stays in Spain.can't fucking stand him.
Not good enough for Villa would you say?
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No to TSM 3
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No to TSM 3
Fair enough, who would you suggest?
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Hope he stays in Spain.can't fucking stand him.
Why? He did well with Preston and Everton. I would go and fetch him tomorrow. Mind you I have seen every possible new manager slagged off on here over the last five years. Just look at where we are now not where we all think we should be, our choice will be very limited because most won't fancy it.
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Moyes? Yes please.
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You are quite right Walsall. There will be murders done on here whoever we appoint. H and V and the club in general will not calm down until we start to win some games, preferably at home. Nothing else will ease the pain.
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Hope he stays in Spain.can't fucking stand him.
Why? He did well with Preston and Everton. I would go and fetch him tomorrow. Mind you I have seen every possible new manager slagged off on here over the last five years. Just look at where we are now not where we all think we should be, our choice will be very limited because most won't fancy it.
To be fair to us, all the slagging off of each manager we hired ended up being proven right.
One thing Villa fans have become very good at is smelling out that whiff of failure before we hire someone. Then the man gets hired anyway because he is cheap/British/available/"obvious" so we rally, get used to the smell for a bit until he reverts to form and we all remember why we criticised him in the first place and start the process of dreading how much worse a candidate the club can find next time.
;D
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Howard Wilkinson and Bielsa have to be the top two names on the hitlist.
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Howard Wilkinson and Bielsa have to be the top two names on the hitlist.
Wilkinson are you Serious?
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Howard Wilkinson and Bielsa have to be the top two names on the hitlist.
Wilkinson are you Serious?
Yes he will apply a cutting edge to our game.
It may be a close shave but he should keep us up!
and we're off!!
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Howard Wilkinson and Bielsa have to be the top two names on the hitlist.
Wilkinson are you Serious?
Yes he will apply a cutting edge to our game.
It may be a close shave but he should keep us up!
and we're off!!
And there I was thinking that the 'Gillet' was the best that Villa could get
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Yawn
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We need to get rid of our stubble first.
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Wilkinson has been out of the game nw for too long. His sides would just be put to the sword.
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To cut.......the Moyes puns, Sociedad are playing at Levante as we speak (might be a close shave as to if he keeps their job if they lose) so will let you know how he does. It's on Bet 365 if anyone has an account on there.
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As soon as I turn it on, Vela scores. 0-1.
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0-2 now
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I reckon he'll be happier to leave on the back of a victory. Plus with Real playing today Moyes, if it is he, probably wanted to get this game out of the way without a distracting relatively high profile job hanging around his neck.
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Interesting piece about Moyes in The Independent today, showing remarkable comparisons to our predicament. He lost his main striker (Griezmann) to Atletico Madrid, has picked up just 6 points from 24, and only has 3 wins in his last 18 games (although looks like that will improve today). So should fit right in. I'd still have him over Sherwood any day of the week.
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Interesting piece about Moyes in The Independent today, showing remarkable comparisons to our predicament. He lost his main striker (Griezmann) to Atletico Madrid, has picked up just 6 points from 24, and only has 3 wins in his last 18 games (although looks like that will improve today). So should fit right in. I'd still have him over Sherwood any day of the week.
Moyes never struck me as the kind of manager who'd do too well in Spain. It's also no shame that the Utd gig was beyond him. He inherited a side that despite being champions was rife with issues.
I think he could do to us what he did to Everton. Similar clubs. He can work on a budget. If there is one job in the Prem he could potentially re-launch his career, it's probably us. We're a good fit, we just have to hope he's still got it.