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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2015, 07:45:51 PM
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We need something today big time looking at our fixture list. I would've been fuming with just a point but to lose it will drain the players and wow the two derbies are massive now, dosen't bear thinking about it not to win either. Will leave aside SHA and just look at league points:
WBA (H)- Well after last season you'd think we'd psychologically have their number but Pulis would watch that today and see how we concede two goals from high balls and really work on their delivery during the week. They also have a little more pace than last season out wide. Think that will be a draw.
Liverpool (A)- Normally do very well here but Coutinho will be back and think Benteke is destined to score. Defeat.
Stoke (H)- Seems a real struggle to beat these at VP, think we've only done it once since they came up. They've had a poor start but have two back to back home games against Leicester and Bournemouth so think they'll pick up by the time they turn up here.
Draw.
Chelsea (A)- Chelsea will pick up form by next month. Nothing.
Swansea (H)- Got a strange feeling this is the sort of game we'll win as even though Swansea have done well against us recently, they'll come and play and we'll get some space. Looks like it could be desperate stakes by then.
Spurs (A)- Will be generous and give us a point as ex manager factor worked last season.
Man. City (H)- Atmosphere should be good if you know who is involved but we'll do well to get anything. Defeat.
So 6 points takes us up to the grand total of 10 points by the middle of November. All seems a bit groundhog day dosen't it and I'd be surprised if we're out of the bottom 3 with that.
Am worried as other teams like Watford and Norwich are picking up wins already, at least last season Burnley didn't win under November and QPR looked equally poor but so far Sunderland are the only team I've seen that look certs to go down.
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I'm not as despondent about the team as last season. There's goals in that team and some of the play is good, it's the stupid mistakes being repeated over and over by players and management getting me down. It looks like another season of struggle that I think we will just have the quality to pull through.
I think we will beat Stoke, Albion and draw with Swansea, might sneak a point at Spurs, they look crap at the moment. 11 or 12 pts from 12 games, shit again.
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We've had a really kind set of opening fixtures and pissed them up the wall. I couldn't put my hand on my heart at the moment and say with certainty when we'll next pick up a win.
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Crystal Palace: Guzan/Amavi mistake (-1 point)
Sunderland: Clark mistake/fail to convert chances (-2 points)
Leicester: 2-0 up and we fucked it up (-3 points)
...the last 2 games are a bitter pill to swallow but what I'm encouraged by is that fact that this team is clearly starting to gel and we're playing some excellent football with genuine talented footballers. We're missing the final piece to the jigsaw upfront but we'll hopefully create enough chances to hold our own, and start to redress the balance of points lost with points gained.
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WDWLWLL from that 6 for me.
10 points, and a bit of a happier feeling about the world.
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WBA (H) - Win
Liverpool (A) - Draw
Stoke (H) - Win
Chelsea (A) - Loss
Swansea (H) - Draw
Spurs (A) - Draw
Man. City (H) - Loss
Total: 9pts
...not quite as optimistic but we should be aiming for at least 8pts from those fixtures.
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I think we'll beat Albion, Stoke and Spurs and draw with Liverpool. 10 points.
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If we get wins against West Brom and the Blues then I could see it as a bit of a spring board. I think those fixtures could important as they are home games again we don't want to leave it too long until we get off the mark at VP and with them being derbies it would be even more of a boast. But if we struggle then we really could be in for it.
I am almost hopeing for West Brom to score first because if you go on recent displays at home we seem to respond better when we go behind than if we score first. We should win that game, but it does kinda have draw written all over it. Would love Lescott to score the winner of course :D
Think we will beat Stoke because they tend to be poor travelers and don't have a great record at Villa Park. Liverpool we might be playing at a good time, but then who knows with us. Wouldn't surprise me if we either go really positive and get an impressive 1-3 win or go the other way and lose by two or three. We don't seem to do solid 0-0's at the moment do we. Chelsea I think we be coming back into form when we meet them so I think we will likely lose there.
Will go for about seven points and fingers crossed progress in the Cup.
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Can't win at home (again), can't keep clean sheets (despite seemingly having a much better back 4 on ideas), can't control midfield (why have we ditched 4-3-2-1 which was working reasonably well run in to last season), have taken 1 point, 1 point from Sunderland, West Brom, Palace and Leicester.
Seriously worried.
The promoted teams are a lot better this year aswell.
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I think bibs will beat skins at Bodymoor on Monday.
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No idea, but I'd like to know if we are ever going to be even a reasonable team again. We look to be in terminal decline.
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No idea, but I'd like to know if we are ever going to be even a reasonable team again. We look to be in terminal decline.
It does certainly look like whoever we sign, whoever the manager is, the Premier league has worn us down over the last 4-5 years and we've had enough of it.
Big thing for me is we just need new ownership as that's ultimately where the direction and ambition for the club comes from.
Let's just hope we're still in the Premier League when eventually we get sold.
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Without Gueye and Traore, I'm thinking we may actually struggle to pick up any points from the next 6 games. If that is the case then theres no doubt that TS will be gone...or should be.
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we'd struggle to beat ourselves at the moment
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No idea, but I'd like to know if we are ever going to be even a reasonable team again. We look to be in terminal decline.
It does certainly look like whoever we sign, whoever the manager is, the Premier league has worn us down over the last 4-5 years and we've had enough of it.
Big thing for me is we just need new ownership as that's ultimately where the direction and ambition for the club comes from.
Let's just hope we're still in the Premier League when eventually we get sold.
Yup.
I thought I would be more angry today, but I am getting pretty good at not letting Villa ruin my weekends any more.
It has taken years but I have now come to terms with the fact that I support a club that is not going to win anything and the only real "victory" we will get is survival in the last month by some jammy result or other followed by another season of struggle. When we do eventually go down we might enjoy coming back up again I suppose.
Anyway , sod it, I have put more emotion into this club than it deserves over the years. Time to step back and not worry about it as much.
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Come on, We just need that winning mentality! <--- New famous last words at this rate!
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Hard when you have a squad of "losers"....oh.
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I was encouraged by our performance against Sunderland for long spells and against Leicester for 45 minutes, but we didn't win those games and now it's looking like familiar problems are resurfacing.
We have to improve and start winning some of the seemingly less winnable games or we'll go down. That's it. The lack of points from our relatively easy start means we have to find a way of collecting points from our games against the West Ham, Southampton, Spurs, Swansea tier of teams.
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The next seven games suddenly look very tough. Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City interspersed with Stoke, Spurs, Swansea and Everton. Can't see us getting much from those.
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we'd struggle to beat ourselves at the moment
I don't think our defence would cope with the hoofing.
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we were unable to beat the worst team in the league at home.
we lost from 2 nil up with 25 to go against the mighty Foxes.
we are in worse shape than last year.
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We have a better squad at this point than last year.
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We have a better squad at this point than last year.
True but if you dont put the ball in the net you win feck all
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That was our major deficiency last season and so as night follows day, here we are.
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We have a better squad at this point than last year.
But not a better team and no goal scorer and a goalkeeper problem.
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Liverpool (A) - Win
Stoke (H) - Draw
Chelsea (A) - Loss
Swansea (H) - Loss
Spurs (A) - Win
Man. City (H) - Loss
Total: 7 points
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Looking at our best 11, is it really much better than last season?
Guzan- looks worse than last season with no Given back up.
Amavi- looks a real prospect but poor yesterday and making errors- so jury still out
Lescott- nothing to suggest better than Clark or Okore.
Richards- good relacement for Vlaar- but better? just hopefully less injured.
Bacuna and Hutton the same.
Gana is a replacement for Delph but not an upgrade - yet.
Gill was here.
Sinclair was here but better than Weiman.
Westwood still here still playing as is was Sanchez.
Vertout better than NZog? not difficult
Traore a decent prospect and hopefully better than Gabby
Ayew,or Gested better than Benteke? you are having a laugh!!!
My conclusion is that we are in worse shape than last year.
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Doesn't take a rocket scientist , Benteke has kept us up for 3 seasons more or less single handedly and we've replaced him with Ayew & Gestede.
We are in a whole ocean of trouble. Needed to sign Charlie Austin.
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I can see 1 win and 2 draw in these 8 games :(
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You cannot look or plan too far ahead in football. Confidence is such a fragile and brittle thing, with momentum pushing sides either way a significant factor.
Tomorrow's game is massive and the ideal game to bounce back with as winning it will be extra special, the same as it would be in the league; its more than getting through to the next round, its more than three points and so on.
Take some confidence back and go to Anfield, where we've lost only once in six trips, winning half of them, against a side whose manager is on the brink and you have a chance.
Bring Gana and Veretout into the midfield with a three alongside Sanchez and you've got a platform to go with that confidence and an opportunity to stop the rot in the league. This is a massive week for us. The season is currently only going one way, but as I type on the 21st September, it is far from over.
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Doesn't take a rocket scientist , Benteke has kept us up for 3 seasons more or less single handedly and we've replaced him with Ayew & Gestede.
We are in a whole ocean of trouble. Needed to sign Charlie Austin.
Totally agree. I honestly can see us only getting one point out of the next 6 games (Stoke?) and by then the losing culture will have taken a stranglehold. Too early to panic but I can feel it welling up.
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Stoke is a massive game now, we really need to be going into the international break with a win otherwise with Chelsea away straight after we will start getting adrift with Sunderland and Newcastle.
Trouble is....we've beaten them once at VP since they've been promoted. First win today so think they'll start to pull away now so I don't really see them being anywhere near down there come May.
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Terminal decline as described on page 1 sums up my feelings.
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Well as last week proved, at least we can beat a Championship side, so that bodes well for next season
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I really don't know where it's coming from at the moment. We couldn't even beat fuckering Sunderland at home, probably the easiest game of the season.
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Simply have to beat Stoke, with Chelsea away coming up after that, we can't afford to be sat on 4 or 5 points after 9 games of the season.
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I really don't know where it's coming from at the moment. We couldn't even beat fuckering Sunderland at home, probably the easiest game of the season.
That's what annoyed me about the Sunderland game - I was really angry at full time. I know it was too early to talk about "must win matches" but that was a game we needed to win as it offered a better chance of 3 points than most other games this season.
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It's telling that we've beaten more lower league sides than Premiership sides this season, that statistic speaks for itself for me, they are about our level at the moment. As for sides we can beat, the most worrying performance of all for me was Sunderland, whipping boys of the division, we drop Points against them AT HOME and concede two goals as well. If we can't beat a side like that......
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Sorry guys we're not good enough at premier league level anymore, the facts and stats speak for themselves.
We couldn't beat Sunderland at home who everyone else is beating comfortably at home, we couldn't beat WBA at home who Palace beat today and pretty much everyone else is picking off points off Liverpool apart from us.
I didn't go today but if you've seen Stoke highlights this season, pretty much every game this season Jack Butland is MOTM. Yet today it seems we only had a Gestede weak shot for 90 + minutes.
Just not good enough, I started worrying a bit after the Sunderland game but though it was certain we'd get in a new striker on deadline day. We just look weak all over the pitch, at least last season we had some decent quality in the team like Vlaar, Wealth and Benteke who you knew for 5 game spells could turn it on and win games for us, I just can't see players in the team now making that same impact.
As for this thread...I'll call it home to Watford on November 28th....under Sam Allardyce.
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It's telling that we've beaten more lower league sides than Premiership sides this season, that statistic speaks for itself for me, they are about our level at the moment. As for sides we can beat, the most worrying performance of all for me was Sunderland, whipping boys of the division, we drop Points against them AT HOME and concede two goals as well. If we can't beat a side like that......
...and we scraped past those two teams. I wasnt too worried by Sunderland result as we played well and should hace won comfortably. The Leicester result was the killer. We havent recovered from that and it will set the tone for our season im afraid
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The title of his thread is beginning to sound a bit optimistic...
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I cannot see how it is possible for us to take a single point against Chelsea, Swansea, Spurs, Man City or Everton. I genuinely don't. We are so shambolic at the back, it defies logic. There is not a chance of us under this manager picking up a point from that run. And I am the most dyed in the wool and optimistic Villa fan going.
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If any manager needs a game to save their job call Aston Villa FC. We helped Rodgers, we'll help Mourinho and no doubt we'll be a welcome boost to McLaren whenever that game is.
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I cannot see how it is possible for us to take a single point against Chelsea, Swansea, Spurs, Man City or Everton. I genuinely don't. We are so shambolic at the back, it defies logic. There is not a chance of us under this manager picking up a point from that run. And I am the most dyed in the wool and optimistic Villa fan going.
I totally agree and I don't think we'll see any response from Fox or Lerner. It's almost as if they've conditioned themselves to the inevitable, maybe we should as well.
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A lot of people thought Lambert would ride out the season.
There was a tipping point and there will be one for Sherwood aswell.
Chelsea to me is a certain defeat despite them looking shambolic tonight and I just can't see how he'd survive if we then lost to Swansea the following week, Villa Park would be at its toxic worst for a manager.
We'll probably draw that one and muddle on not winning many games of football at all as we frequently did under Lambert.
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Why cant we beat chelsea :)
They look worse than us and Newcastle nearly beat them.
Watching motd shearer said villa could beat them next
Though he seems to have a soft spot for villa so probably bias. Anyway if change manage definitely potential win but I say four or five more games for Tim if no win he's out
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I fancy us against Chelsea having subsequently seen the highlights, they actually look worse than we do. It would be great to have Matalan Coat sacked twice.
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We can beat Chelsea with pace on the counter so none of this hoof to Gestede stuff
Hoping we can go with the likes of Traore and Ayew up front with a solid non Westwood middle three behind
But who knows who TS will pick !
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If we beat Chelsea then a return of 3 points would be better than 2 draws from the last 2 games
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hahaha, stop guys.
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I fancy us against Chelsea having subsequently seen the highlights, they actually look worse than we do. It would be great to have Matalan Coat sacked twice.
A bit small time though.
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I fancy us against Chelsea having subsequently seen the highlights, they actually look worse than we do. It would be great to have Matalan Coat sacked twice.
A bit small time though.
I think getting Mourinho sacked is quite big time. Barcelona fans would be happy with doing it.
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Small time why?
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To hold-up one result that we as a club are involved in which forms part of a succession of results/displays which have led to an opposing manager's demise. And that we cherish them/remember them.
I mean, good for a laugh at the time but...yeah, nothing to brag about in my opinion. Then again, for high points this decade, it may be the best we can aspire to.
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You're forgetting the much celebrated Southampton 0-0 match.
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No matter how shit Chelsea are, they'll beat us. I hope I'm wrong but I really can't see anything other than a good old fashioned thumping.
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Agree 5+ nil
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You're forgetting the much celebrated Southampton 0-0 match.
If Carlsberg did home performances.
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The issue with us playing Chelsea is that regardless of how they're playing they're a lot better than us. I'd imagine Eden Hazard will choose this game to come good and make it look like he's playing the under 11s.
As to the question posed in the title of this thread, I'm pretty sure we'll never win another football game ever.
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I'm planning to time travel to the future and purchase a sports almanac, so I'll let you know shortly.
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I'm back. Biff Tannen beat me to it.
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Probably completely misguided but I fancy us to continue our League Cup run by beating Southampton!
Otherwise, in the league, I fear we may have to wait until Watford at the end of November. WINTER IS COMING.
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We won't beat Watford at home. They are a better side than people think . A new version of Swansea if you will
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I fancy us against Chelsea having subsequently seen the highlights, they actually look worse than we do. It would be great to have Matalan Coat sacked twice.
For lunch I'll have what you're drinking!
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I think we're going to get absolutely battered at Chelski...I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was as bad as the 8-0 under Lambert.
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I can't decide if we've been unlucky to get the two-week break which gives Chelsea the chance to regroup and sort themselves out, or if we've been lucky because we get to do the same.
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I can't decide if we've been unlucky to get the two-week break which gives Chelsea the chance to regroup and sort themselves out, or if we've been lucky because we get to do the same.
Depends on which manager you think is the most competent and most likely to sort their problems out.
Oh bollocks.
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Well he went all out defence at home to stoke , he will probably go all out attack away at Chelsea leaving the defence woefully exposed and a 0-8 drubbing to ensue.
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Well he went all out defence at home to stoke , he will probably go all out attack away at Chelsea leaving the defence woefully exposed and a 0-8 drubbing to ensue.
No, it'll be 8-1 as we'll score through Courtois slipping over and missing a Terry backpass. Sherwood will conclude from this that the best way for us to score goals is to give the ball to opposition centre-backs and hope.
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Xmas period is massive for us really....in a 10 game period we play Watford, Southampton, Newcastle, West Ham, norwich, Sunderland, Palace, WBA, Leicester.
We simply need wins from that bunch..maybe as many as five.
You'd imagine if we pot Sherwood around that time that's a reasonable run to get a good new manager bounce.
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Well he went all out defence at home to stoke , he will probably go all out attack away at Chelsea leaving the defence woefully exposed and a 0-8 drubbing to ensue.
No, it'll be 8-1 as we'll score through Courtois slipping over and missing a Terry backpass. Sherwood will conclude from this that the best way for us to score goals is to give the ball to opposition centre-backs and hope.
We've done 7 and 8 recently. It'll be 9 this time
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I don't remember a 7 ? Who put 7 past us ?
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I don't remember a 7 ? Who put 7 past us ?
Chelsea 7 Villa 1- April 2010.
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I don't remember a 7 ? Who put 7 past us ?
Chelsea 7 Villa 1- April 2010.
I was there, it was horrendous.
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Chelsea will beat us because we'll set up not to lose and concede early. It will be uphill from there because the side already lacks confidence. Chelsea have enough quality and experience that it won't take them much to get going if the opponent lets them play. In games they've lost this season the opponent has had a go at them from the start. When was the last time we did that, and most importantly even when we did we stuck to the plan, made intelligent adjustments and saw it through?
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I think we're going to get absolutely battered at Chelski...I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was as bad as the 8-0 under Lambert.
this unfortunately
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I think we're going to get absolutely battered at Chelski...I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was as bad as the 8-0 under Lambert.
this unfortunately
I know it sounds incredibly doomish, but I too am thinking the same thing.
We've not really had (m)any drubbings despite losing a lot, but Chelsea are going to click sometime soon, and this looks like the sort of fixture in which they'll do it.
Not 8, but I could see 4 or 5.
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Hate saying this but I've enjoyed this weekend without any football to stress about. We're a really shitty outfit these days.
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Hate saying this but I've enjoyed this weekend without any football to stress about. We're a really shitty outfit these days.
Yes. I know what you mean, and agree.
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I don't remember a 7 ? Who put 7 past us ?
Chelsea 7 Villa 1- April 2010.
Oh yes , I'd forgotten about this one.
I was at the 0-8 game but left at 0-7 and before I'd got to a pub on the Kings Rd they'd scored another and missed a penalty. Horrendous day.
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Chelsea will beat us because we'll set up not to lose and concede early. It will be uphill from there because the side already lacks confidence. Chelsea have enough quality and experience that it won't take them much to get going if the opponent lets them play. In games they've lost this season the opponent has had a go at them from the start. When was the last time we did that, and most importantly even when we did we stuck to the plan, made intelligent adjustments and saw it through?
When Sherwood came in I thought it was refreshing how good our tempo and attack was from the start of games, think back to the West Brom game early on in his reign, we should've been 4 up at home with Gabby having two shots off the line. QPR was another game when we battered them for most of the first half, Everton another.
This season it's just like watching a lambert team, negative and tentative at home from the first whistle, desperate to not concede, we do anyway and then look clueless how to get back in the game.
That's probably why I want him gone now, our play has regressed to as bad as in the last few seasons and that's not a formula that wins many games.
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I think chelski will do us about 9-0 and we will say ah well you get what you spend night turn the light on the way out
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Although I think we're absolute shite at the moment and that Sherwood is surviving on bravado and support from his media chums ( both of which will surely run dry soon), I fancy us to get a shock at Chelsea. In the same way that Lambert always managed to pull off a mad result against a top side to just do enough to keep himself in a job.
2-1, Villa. God knows who'll score for us - probably 2 own goals - but I'm confident. Business as usual the week after though, I reckon
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Hate saying this but I've enjoyed this weekend without any football to stress about. We're a really shitty outfit these days.
Yes. I know what you mean, and agree.
Yes the actually act of playing the game has become a real chore.
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It will be our luck that we win the next two, his job becomes secure and we lose the next ten.
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Hate saying this but I've enjoyed this weekend without any football to stress about. We're a really shitty outfit these days.
Yes. I know what you mean, and agree.
this totally
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Remember when we used to go on undefeated runs?
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Remember when we used to go on undefeated runs?
No! What are they?
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Remember when we used to go on undefeated runs?
No! What are they?
I'm lost as well. Please explain?
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Win next 2, give Sherwood another 4 year deal on top of the 3 in-play securing him to 2022
What's not to likes
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It will be our luck that we win the next two, his job becomes secure and we lose the next ten.
Yes, a heavy dose of Lambertitis.
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It will be our luck that we win the next two, his job becomes secure and we lose the next ten.
To spin the positive on that, at least we're more than double our points tally, probably get out of the bottom 3 and so won't be adrift by the time Sherwood gets sacked as is the case now.
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I don't dream about football very often but last night I had a vivid one that we beat Man City in the league cup final. The winner was a Rudy volley from a Grealish cross.
If they can't do it in reality - make it up yourself. I feel great today.
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I don't dream about football very often but last night I had a vivid one that we beat Man City in the league cup final. The winner was a Rudy volley from a Grealish cross.
If they can't do it in reality - make it up yourself. I feel great today.
Fantastic. Its good to know the Villa are doing well somewhere.
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It will be our luck that we win the next two, his job becomes secure and we lose the next ten.
To spin the positive on that, at least we're more than double our points tally, probably get out of the bottom 3 and so won't be adrift by the time Sherwood gets sacked as is the case now.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be very happy to take six points from the next two, I just lack the confidence to see us picking up a reasonable points haul thereafter.
As Lee states, its what Lambert would do. We had that good start, lost six on the bounce, then drew a few in November, before winning two back to back against Palace and Leicester in early December. We didn't win a game until late February against the Albion the in the league.
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Realistically looking at the table and taking into consideration previous results this season and squads, then I think with a change in manager we are (or should be) competing with the following teams in our "mini league" this season...
Stoke City
Watford
West Brom
Norwich City
Bournemouth
Newcastle
Sunderland
Obviously we've already failed to beat West Brom, Stoke and Sunderland, but under new management I see no reason why the current squad of players can't play themselves out of this mess. We could end up finishing 12th or in the relegation places, but the change in management needs to happen soon and it needs to be someone who is actually a respected proven genuine football manager with knowledge and experience...not some soundbite gobshite or someone who has progressed or progressing up through the lower leagues.
The really sad part about this is how the likes of Swansea, Leicester, Southampton, Crystal Palace and West Ham are literally miles ahead of us in terms of performances, results and quality both on and off the pitch.
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I wonder if Swansea fans were about to start a similar thread after continuing their recent poor form losing to Stoke last night but then looked at who they play next and said ''Oh, duh. Obviously - we've Villa away next".
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I don't dream about football very often but last night I had a vivid one that we beat Man City in the league cup final. The winner was a Rudy volley from a Grealish cross.
If they can't do it in reality - make it up yourself. I feel great today.
I think you are eating too much cheese.
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We won't beat Swansea, Tottenham, Man City or Everton. We will be bottom of the league when we play Watford at home which really will be a must win.
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Cheers Quinton,
my little ray of sunshine
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I'd like to beat Sherwood and Jenas at the moment.
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We won't win this side of Christmas with a bunch of fucking clowns running this great club. Complete buffoons all of 'em!
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Thank God I'm away this weekend. I've palmed my ST off on my poor nephew. I really couldn't stand another abject display against mediocre opposition.
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I wonder if Swansea fans were about to start a similar thread after continuing their recent poor form losing to Stoke last night but then looked at who they play next and said ''Oh, duh. Obviously - we've Villa away next".
I said before the Chelsea game we've become the team any other team out of form in the league wants to play.
It's a bit like in recent seasons us being out of form and on the way back after another winless game searching the fixture list for when we play a Wigan or Sunderland. We are now that team.
We're the only team Sunderland have taken a point from in 5 away games. WBA won't be winning many away games this season with how they set up. They won at Stoke but that was against 8 outfield players, they beat us convincingly. Before last night Stoke had won two away games in 2015, both at Villa Park.
Even Chelsea and Liverpool away, games where it's usually acceptable to lose. Well Liverpool have only won once in their last 6 league games, us. And Chelsea couldn't beat Swansea, Southampton or Palace at home but they rolled us over without playing very well.
All the hallmarks of a relegation team I'm afraid.
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We won't beat Swansea, Tottenham, Man City or Everton. We will be bottom of the league when we play Watford at home which really will be a must win.
The term "must win" gets trotted out a lot on here. Please reflect on your hyperbole, go and wash your mouth out and come back with a more rationale PoV.
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Losing to mid table out of form teams at home.
We are done at this level folks.
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Brentford at home, October 2016.
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I posted this right after the Leicester game as scarred by the Lambert era and our collapse and knowing how mentally fragile our lot are, I was worried.
I never though quite expected us to lose every single league game since then, it's been quite some effort not even to scrap a draw or two from some mediocre opponents.
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Watford. New managers first points. 7 points from 14 matches and we build from there! 31 points needed from 24 games!
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I hate threads like these - Villa don't even live up to even the most underwhelming predictions.
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Perhaps a new manager bounce might see us scrape an unlikely draw from one of the next three tricky fixtures. Then all hands to the pump for Watford, but they are looking pretty useful, especially away from home with their solid backline and pace on the counter. Looks grim!
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Fancy us to win all our remaining games now.
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"Voulez-vous parier contre nous?"
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"Ce soir".
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We're going to be well adrift soon unless there's a really big surprise or two
Any incoming manager is putting his rep and career very much at risk.
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10 games gone and 28 left to play. 84 points to play for.
Villa have to win at least 12 games to reach the magical 40 points.
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Only if we don't draw any.
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So all the o level French students are going to amuse us with thier French smatterings, hilarious.
Non.
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We're usually safe on 38 points most seasons now. Last season it was enough anyway.
I would say 10 wins and a few draws. I think that looks quite unlikely tbh but we'll see. It would help if the new manager could get an early win or two.
Said it before but xmas period will decide everything imo. We play Southampton, Newcastle, West Ham, Sunderland, Norwich, Leicester, Palace, WBA all in a two month period. We simply have to win some of those games to give us a decent chance for second half of season.
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We're usually safe on 38 points most seasons now. Last season it was enough anyway.
I would say 10 wins and a few draws. I think that looks quite unlikely tbh but we'll see. It would help if the new manager could get an early win or two.
Said it before but xmas period will decide everything imo. We play Southampton, Newcastle, West Ham, Sunderland, Norwich, Leicester, Palace, WBA all in a two month period. We simply have to win some of those games to give us a decent chance for second half of season.
There's 24 points and its not even Xmas yet. :) :) :)
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If we win them all we'll be in the CL next season, probably as Champions. I expect no less than that Monsieur Garde. No pressure like.
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Rest of the season 10 wins, 7 draws, 10 loses = 37 points + 4 in the bag = 41 and safety, phew.
This does include a 9 match unbeaten run.
Aston Villa v Man City Sun 8 Nov 13:30 L
Everton v Aston Villa Sat 21 Nov 15:00 L
Aston Villa v Watford Sat 28 Nov 15:00 W
Southampton v Aston VillSat 5 Dec 15:00 L
Aston Villa v Arsenal Sun 13 Dec 13:30 L
Newcastle v Aston Villa Sat 19 Dec 17:30 W
Aston Villa v West Ham Sat 26 Dec 15:00 W
Norwich v Aston Villa Mon 28 Dec 15:00 D
Sunderland v Aston Villa Sat 2 Jan 15:00 W
Aston Villa v Crystal Palace Tue 12 Jan19:45 W
Aston Villa v Leicester Sat 16 Jan 15:00 D
West Brom v Aston Villa Sat 23 Jan 15:00 D
West Ham v Aston Villa Tue 2 Feb 19:45 D
Aston Villa v Norwich Sat 6 Feb 15:00 W
Aston Villa v Liverpool Sat 13 Feb 15:00 L
Stoke v Aston Villa Sat 27 Feb 15:00 D
Aston Villa v Everton Tue 1 Mar 19:45 W
Man City v Aston Villa Sat 5 Mar 15:00 L
Aston Villa v Tottenham Sat 12 Mar 15:00 D
Swansea v Aston Villa Sat 19 Mar 15:00 L
Aston Villa v Chelsea Sat 2 Apr 15:00 L
Aston Villa v Bournemouth Sat 9 Apr 15:00 W
Man Utd v Aston Villa Sat 16 Apr 15:00 L
Aston Villa v Southampton Sat 23 Apr15:00 D
Watford v Aston Villa Sat 30 Apr 15:00 W
Aston Villa v Newcastle Sat 7 May 15:00 W
Arsenal v Aston Villa Sun 15 May 15:00 L
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Realistically, we lose the next two - Remi will start to imprint his ideas but the ship isn't turning overnight and City/Everton are tough games.
So we start at home to Watford - win that and then go to Southampton and get a draw or win and we might start to see a path forward. I just hope whomever he picks Saturday, its a sign of the progressive thinking we appear to have secured, irrespective the scoreline.
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The only game left on the list from the original post is Man City. How shit.
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The 28th November to the 6th February is a big window of opportunity.
We've got to be looking at home games against Watford, Palace, Leicester, West Ham and Norwich and thinking we can get wins from them. Equally, Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich and West Brom away are equally big.
Sunday is absolutely massive for us and the need to get the first goal and at the least stop the rot with a point, eek another out at Everton and set us up with a platform to go and beat Watford. Five points, with two choice games to come and you never know with a bit of organisation and confidence, tacked onto picking your best players, what you might get.
Come Sunderland though on New Years day, you'd hope that we'd picked up at least four wins and a handful of draws, which would put us close to 19 points at the half way mark. From there it would only be about matching McLiesh and Lambert to get us over the mark in the second half.
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Close to four months since I started this thread, an emotional reaction to that Leicester game.
Never did I think even this club would be capable of failing to win a single game since that day.
I suppose you have to ask the question now....will we actually win another game this season? I normally don't like this OTT hyperbole statements and stuff but every passing week we don' win, everytime we play another out of form team as we've done a few times over the last month, we don't win.
Think there's one more record we're going to have a good go at trying to break...
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Honestly, realistically, no one in this division. We are that poor.
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Rest of the season 10 wins, 7 draws, 10 loses = 37 points + 4 in the bag = 41 and safety, phew.
This does include a 9 match unbeaten run.
It might as well include alien abduction and royal assassinations in that case, then.
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Come Sunderland though on New Years day, you'd hope that we'd picked up at least four wins and a handful of draws, which would put us close to 19 points at the half way mark. From there it would only be about matching McLiesh and Lambert to get us over the mark in the second half.
This sort of thing underlines just how shocking we've been.
It seems like an eminently reasonable, realistic post, but we haven't just not managed the four wins mentioned, we haven't had any, and we're on less than half the points total envisaged.
That's how awful we have been.
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It's almost funny how staggeringly inept we've been, then I remember it's my team and I keep spending money to watch us!
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Wycombe wanderers
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We are something beneath poor. Poor sides still win the occasional game. We're tragic.
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Wycombe wanderers
This has got FA Cup Shock written all over it.
Woking Coventry
Kidderminster Blose.
Wycombe Villa
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We'll beat a big team (shit sides always do) and then we'll continue being shit
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Albion will be our next win in the league .
We'll drew next week against Wycombe & they'll beat us in the replay .
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who won the row in the dressing room after the match