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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: luke95 on August 14, 2015, 12:45:53 PM
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M6 spaghetti junction closed both ways till late afternoon (at the earliest) apparently !!
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M6 spaghetti junction closed both ways till late afternoon (at the earliest) apparently !!
http://www.highways.gov.uk/news/breaking-news#1
M6 | West Midlands | Both Directions | Serious Incident | Road Closed
The M6 is closed in both directions between junctions J6 (A38M) and J7 (A34/Great Barr) in Birmingham due to a serious accident. Emergency services are in attendance and the road is expected to be closed for some considerable time.
Diversion routes are in operation with southbound traffic leaving at J7, following the Hollow Diamond symbol, taking the A34 southbound to the A4540 Newtown Middleway, then heading eastbound to access the A38M northbound at Dartmouth Circus which re-joins the M6 at J6. Northbound traffic is to follows the above route in reverse leaving at J6 and following the Hollow Square symbol. For customers wider afield, strategic diversions are in place using other routes.
Customers are advised to expect delays in the area and to consider alternative routes or delaying their journey.
Customers ?
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Beeb
(http://i.imgur.com/axA7kp9.jpg)
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See Malcolm, every cloud and all that.
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Leaving hour earlier than normal tonight. Has had knock on effect around ground. Clubs talking about delayed kick off apparently
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Shouldn't affect Yanited fans as they'll be clogging up the M1 , M5 and M40 northbound carriageways
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Thanks for that Luke95. I normally use Frixo to check for delays and there's nothing about it on there, so won't be using that again.
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Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4932802,00.html)
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
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Quite. You can bet that it will be a late kick-off too. Full House and the M6 shut.... I feel sorry for those of you that are attempting it.
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
They'll see what chaos it causes but will they reconsider future Friday night games? Not a chance of that happening.
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Latest news saying closed till 10pm - oh what fun this is going to be ......
Plan B and catch the train I think
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Yes, best to catch the train if you're going.
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
They'll see what chaos it causes but will they reconsider future Friday night games? Not a chance of that happening.
Sky could not give one monkey about what is happening on the roads. In fact as far as they are concerned the more people who stop at home and watch it on TV the better they like it.
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They don't. They like full grounds to add to "the brand".
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and how the road from Barr Beacon to Kingstanding road toward Perry Barr will be affected ? Just let us know ;)
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They certainly don't like events not going to schedule.
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
They'll see what chaos it causes but will they reconsider future Friday night games? Not a chance of that happening.
Sky could not give one monkey about what is happening on the roads. In fact as far as they are concerned the more people who stop at home and watch it on TV the better they like it.
In fairness, I can't see any reason whatsoever why Friday games are any more likely to have traffic problems than any midweek games. They're probably less likely to be adversely affected given the fact that more people take annual leave on Fridays and lots of people leave early too.
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Beeb
(http://i.imgur.com/axA7kp9.jpg)
Which brain surgeon suggests M6 traffic should take a route past Villa Park when there is a full house expected tonight?
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Sounds as if it has all the hallmarks of an absolute nightmare. Best of luck to all those who are going
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Tok me nigh on an hour to get from town to The Bartons on the bus and I left at 4. The traffic up this way is fucked with those trying to divert.
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Has anyone ever calculated the percentage (roughly) of people that take public transport versus cars to games?
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I'd imagine the club do surveys on a regular basis. In fact, I'm sure I can remember filling some of them in.
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I set off from Nam at 14:30 and have just pulled up in my regular car park at Broadway School.
I tried to be a bit too clever with my route and got snarled up. I should have just gone straight through town
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You can bet the dozen or so who travel from Manchester way will have had a nightmare journey with this to deal with as well:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mancunian-way-hole-closed-flooding-9858840#ICID=fb-men-main
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
They'll see what chaos it causes but will they reconsider future Friday night games? Not a chance of that happening.
Sky could not give one monkey about what is happening on the roads. In fact as far as they are concerned the more people who stop at home and watch it on TV the better they like it.
In fairness, I can't see any reason whatsoever why Friday games are any more likely to have traffic problems than any midweek games. They're probably less likely to be adversely affected given the fact that more people take annual leave on Fridays and lots of people leave early too.
You don't drive, do you?
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
They'll see what chaos it causes but will they reconsider future Friday night games? Not a chance of that happening.
Sky could not give one monkey about what is happening on the roads. In fact as far as they are concerned the more people who stop at home and watch it on TV the better they like it.
In fairness, I can't see any reason whatsoever why Friday games are any more likely to have traffic problems than any midweek games. They're probably less likely to be adversely affected given the fact that more people take annual leave on Fridays and lots of people leave early too.
Brilliant. Friday is the worst night for traffic as many people who work away from home, try to get home to spend the weekends with their families. To say it is no different, is blind beyond reality.
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The diverted road is looking a bit better by The Bartons.
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traffic is a fucking nightmare. i left halesowen at 530 and am only in lozells
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Five and a half fucking hours it took me. Fuck Friday football.
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Five and a half fucking hours it took me. Fuck Friday football.
From Glasgow that's not bad, if you're closer than that, not so good!
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The north west.
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Traffic is very busy tonight but local knowledge is useful I only have 1/2 mile of traffic to deal with. I can see how much chaos it caused.
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It wasn't just the roads. Got the train from New St, massively overcrowded then sat stationary for absolutely ages. Missed the first ten minutes. The amount of (Villa) fans outside the ground whilst the game was in progress was unbelievable. Fuck you Sky for not delaying KO 15 minutes.
And thank God that fixture is done for another year.
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
They'll see what chaos it causes but will they reconsider future Friday night games? Not a chance of that happening.
Sky could not give one monkey about what is happening on the roads. In fact as far as they are concerned the more people who stop at home and watch it on TV the better they like it.
In fairness, I can't see any reason whatsoever why Friday games are any more likely to have traffic problems than any midweek games. They're probably less likely to be adversely affected given the fact that more people take annual leave on Fridays and lots of people leave early too.
You don't drive, do you?
Clearly not!!!
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Took us 1hr 40 from Stourport on Severn, usually 50 minutes. Went up Hagley Road to Five Ways island, down towards New street station, left at island past Mailbox, right round island at end of broad St. Then towards Matalan island and over. Way back made up for it as we sailed home in 45 minutes. Others who went past Albion ground took 2 hours from there.
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I'm just off the Hagley Road and the best way to VP is to take a left at the Ivy Bush. However as I don't drive i'm shit at saying what roads to take etc, but it's a lot quicker than going into town from the Hagley Road. A satnav should help with the route to take that way.
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I'm just off the Hagley Road and the best way to VP is to take a left at the Ivy Bush. However as I don't drive i'm shit at saying what roads to take etc, but it's a lot quicker than going into town from the Hagley Road. A satnav should help with the route to take that way.
my plan was to turn at the ivy bush but it was so backed up that the left hand lane was backed up to the strathallbn. turned left at five ways that was solid all the way down to ladywood. then solid to hockley flyover, lozells all solid.
i got into the ground just as united scored, first time i have missed the start of a game in 40 years
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I know it'll cause inconvenience for all concerned but a part of me is thinking good - now they'll see what chaos Friday night kick-offs will cause.
They'll see what chaos it causes but will they reconsider future Friday night games? Not a chance of that happening.
Sky could not give one monkey about what is happening on the roads. In fact as far as they are concerned the more people who stop at home and watch it on TV the better they like it.
In fairness, I can't see any reason whatsoever why Friday games are any more likely to have traffic problems than any midweek games. They're probably less likely to be adversely affected given the fact that more people take annual leave on Fridays and lots of people leave early too.
You don't drive, do you?
Clearly not!!!
No. I take it you drive? Kindly explain why Friday games are more likely to be adversely affected by traffic chaos than any other week night match?
I can't really believe they didn't put the kick-off back. Sky would've loved it as they'd have had an audience tune in at 7.45 then been able to subject them to a couple more advert breaks.
Who makes the decision not to put kick-off back? Villa, the police, the referee?
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There are a few different factors why Friday rush hours are the worst of the week:
1: People wanting to get home asap
2: People that work away from home in the week going back
3: People going away for the weekend
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But a lot of the viewing public love friday night matches. Can either watch it in the pub whilst they are on their friday night out or watch at home then go out as they don't have to get up the next day.
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For the TV viewer , Friday night football is superb. That is all that matters nowadays.
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It wasn't why yesterday's game was on a Friday though.
Blame Nazis and the police.
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Looked like more than a few hundred people either couldn't get to the ground or decided not to.Scandalous decision by whatever authority not to delay kick-off.I think the right decision would have been a postponement in view of the motorway closures.
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I went Hagley Road rather than M5/6 last night. Absolute nightmare. Missed first 20 minutes of the game even though I allowed extra time for the journey. Even more annoying to find that the M6 had been cleared and if I'd gone my usual route I'd have had no problems. Sailed back home though - think the Ruskin Hall car park closing eased congestion from King Edwards so got home an hour after the game finished - unheard of except on cup nights/low crowds
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The incident (http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/08/14/m6-closed-after-serious-crash-2/)
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CD Fridays are always the worst for traffic. I can make it to Villa Park for an evening game from the north west if I leave work at 5.
Yesterday I took a half day and managed to set off at 3pm. I didn't park up till twenty past 8. The M6 on a Friday becomes doubly horrendous. I came off at J12 due to the closure of J7 and managed to get to Smethwick to nip via Winsom Green and Lozells. I took me an hour and twenty minutes to go 3.9 miles.
Friday traffic = sad face.
You jut know we will get Palace away on a Friday night next year.
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I got to the ground yesterday and realised that I had left my purse (with season ticket) in the pub. So I had to leg it all the way back to The Bartons, where someone had fortunately handed it in.
I got back to the ground at about 8.05 and there were still hoardes of people walking and running towards Villa Park at that time.
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We left my mate's house just off the Hagley Road at 5.30 and got to VP about 7.15...a journey that usually takes us 15/20 minutes...bottle-necks everywhere.
If that's a normal Friday evening, it's a NO from me!
(Glad to hear you got your purse back amfy. Your round?)
;-)
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CD Fridays are always the worst for traffic. I can make it to Villa Park for an evening game from the north west if I leave work at 5.
Yesterday I took a half day and managed to set off at 3pm. I didn't park up till twenty past 8. The M6 on a Friday becomes doubly horrendous. I came off at J12 due to the closure of J7 and managed to get to Smethwick to nip via Winsom Green and Lozells. I took me an hour and twenty minutes to go 3.9 miles.
Friday traffic = sad face.
You jut know we will get Palace away on a Friday night next year.
It sounds like Fridays might be worse for people travelling long distance for the reasons Stu mentioned. I think Monday-Thursday are worse for in-city traffic for reasons I stated.
Had there been an M6 crash on a Wednesday, traffic chaos would've been just as bad.
I think Palace away on any midweek, or come to think of it a weekend, is a nightmare!
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The previous Friday game was Milwall where it took as long to get across London as it did to get there.
The size of a city on a Friday balloons with workers, tourists and people on night outs. The M6, on a Friday, in August... The stuff of nightmares.
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In general, peak traffic in the evening is between 4 and 7, on a Friday it starts as early as lunchtime and does not ease until 6ish. Add to this an accident of the sort that occurred yesterday then gridlock is the only likely outcome.
Watching in the pub there were scores of empty seats at kick off and I was surprised that the KO wasn't delayed.
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Who decides whether it should be delayed?
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We left my mate's house just off the Hagley Road at 5.30 and got to VP about 7.15...a journey that usually takes us 15/20 minutes...bottle-necks everywhere.
If that's a normal Friday evening, it's a NO from me!
We left Bearwood at six. Given the M6 troubles weren't making it a 'normal' Friday evening, I stuck the sat nav on, just to see what it might suggest. Red lines proliferated everywhere north and west of town. Its answer was a 16 mile detour via Oldbury, M5 and M6. Reluctantly I took its advice, yet was parked up within 25 minutes. But don't think I'll be making that my regular route.
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Don't know what all the fuss was about left Manchester at 4.30 parked in usual car park by 7. Was back in Altrincham for 11 after the game.
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Who decides whether it should be delayed?
I am 80% certain its the police and they would only delay it on H & S grounds
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I'm just off the Hagley Road and the best way to VP is to take a left at the Ivy Bush. However as I don't drive i'm shit at saying what roads to take etc, but it's a lot quicker than going into town from the Hagley Road. A satnav should help with the route to take that way.
I can vouch for the fact that Mr Shin hasn't got a clue about which roads go where.
He's not even much help navigating from his place to Villa Park.
I still blame him for us almost ending up in Wales on our way to Wigan ;)
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The previous Friday game was Milwall where it took as long to get across London as it did to get there.
The size of a city on a Friday balloons with workers, tourists and people on night outs. The M6, on a Friday, in August... The stuff of nightmares.
The M6 on Friday's is hell. I give myself five hours to get from 'Nam to Manchester or Warrington. Any other day of the week and I reckon on half that time.
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Took us 1hr 40 from Stourport on Severn, usually 50 minutes. Went up Hagley Road to Five Ways island, down towards New street station, left at island past Mailbox, right round island at end of broad St. Then towards Matalan island and over. Way back made up for it as we sailed home in 45 minutes. Others who went past Albion ground took 2 hours from there.
My normal route in is past the Baggies and then via Handsworth Wood.
Instead I turned left at Jct 1, north of WB, headed towards Walsall for a bit and then cut back down through Hamstead and Brownns Green. As I mentioned earlier, it took a while but it seems like it was a better move than taking my normal route or cutting through town.
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I'm just off the Hagley Road and the best way to VP is to take a left at the Ivy Bush. However as I don't drive i'm shit at saying what roads to take etc, but it's a lot quicker than going into town from the Hagley Road. A satnav should help with the route to take that way.
I can vouch for the fact that Mr Shin hasn't got a clue about which roads go where.
He's not even much help navigating from his place to Villa Park.
I still blame him for us almost ending up in Wales on our way to Wigan ;)
He's exactly the same on the return journey!
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We left my mate's house just off the Hagley Road at 5.30 and got to VP about 7.15...a journey that usually takes us 15/20 minutes...bottle-necks everywhere.
If that's a normal Friday evening, it's a NO from me!
We left Bearwood at six. Given the M6 troubles weren't making it a 'normal' Friday evening, I stuck the sat nav on, just to see what it might suggest. Red lines proliferated everywhere north and west of town. Its answer was a 16 mile detour via Oldbury, M5 and M6. Reluctantly I took its advice, yet was parked up within 25 minutes. But don't think I'll be making that my regular route.
My mate lives Bearwood/Edgbaston - I call it Bearwood/he insists it's Edgbaston - so seems like his all-knowing experience of every road and street in Birmingham let him down on this occasion. I'll refer to your sat-nav suggestion next time the whole of the West Midlands, apparently seizes up.
Cheers Lfs!
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2.5 hours from Bromsgrove for us, missed the first 13/14 mins....amount of people still walking up then was mental.
Very nearly sacked it off & turned around.
But....so long as the Sky schedules didn't get messed up we should all be grateful :-(
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Sky didn't choose the kick-off time though. Blame the police and Nazis.
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Have we had any explanation as to why the kick-off wasn't delayed yet?
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I'm just off the Hagley Road and the best way to VP is to take a left at the Ivy Bush. However as I don't drive i'm shit at saying what roads to take etc, but it's a lot quicker than going into town from the Hagley Road. A satnav should help with the route to take that way.
You go the same way as a mate of mine sometime's does. It is a lot quicker.
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I would suggest because the WMP are the biggest shower in the country when it comes to policing football.
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Sky didn't choose the kick-off time though. Blame the police and Nazis.
Exactly. And they had the choice of inconveniencing either 150 fascists or 42,000 football fans. Idiotic decision
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I was absolutely furious on Friday night. Left Halesowen at 5.20pm, went via Hagley Road and then encountered gridlock from just past TGI Fridays. My brother was driving and, we both thought that once we had turned left at The Hollybush it would be plain sailing. Nothing of the sort, it was like that all the way to Newtown. We were listening to Talk Boll..ks and I couldn't believe that at 7.30pm they announced that The Holte End was filling up nicely so the match would go ahead at 7.45pm. Surely, it must have been obvious that, with all the empty seats people were struggling.
Anyway, I got out of the car at 7.40pm as my brother said at least one of us can watch some of the game. So, having a "gammy knee" at the moment, I had to walk/limp the rest of the way and got into the concourse just as Manure had scored.
I don't care who made the decision not to put the kick off back but, whoever it was, should have their arse(s) kicked all the way from Villa Park to Halesowen to see what people had gone through to attend the match.
I feel much better after that!!!
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I was absolutely furious on Friday night. Left Halesowen at 5.20pm, went via Hagley Road and then encountered gridlock from just past TGI Fridays. My brother was driving and, we both thought that once we had turned left at The Hollybush it would be plain sailing. Nothing of the sort, it was like that all the way to Newtown. We were listening to Talk Boll..ks and I couldn't believe that at 7.30pm they announced that The Holte End was filling up nicely so the match would go ahead at 7.45pm. Surely, it must have been obvious that, with all the empty seats people were struggling.
Anyway, I got out of the car at 7.40pm as my brother said at least one of us can watch some of the game. So, having a "gammy knee" at the moment, I had to walk/limp the rest of the way and got into the concourse just as Manure had scored.
I don't care who made the decision not to put the kick off back but, whoever it was, should have their arse(s) kicked all the way from Villa Park to Halesowen to see what people had gone through to attend the match.
I feel much better after that!!!
I would guess, although I'm no expert, that in all matters safety the club have the final decision, acting on police 'advice'. Given that the police would have the best information about traffic flow and potential delays, it's realistically down to them.
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I'm assuming that the club would have known how many were in the ground from the ticket scanners, so would have a good idea of how many weren't in, if that makes sense. So if say, 800 weren't in the ground with 10 mins to go, but over 41,000 were, they'd go ahead with KO any way?