We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?
We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?
Yorke, Atkinson, Regis, McGrath, Daley, Small and possibly Paul Mortimer...?
We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?
Yorke, Atkinson, Regis, McGrath, Daley, Small and possibly Paul Mortimer...?
Earl Barrett?
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin is but given Brum's justified and enviable reputation as a vibrant, multicultural city, it would make me very proud if we field a team where every single outfield player was black, and it's distinctly possible:
Bacuna Richards Okore Amavi
Traore Sanchez Gueye
Gabby Ayew
Gestede
and we'd still have Sinclair, N'Zogbia and Richardson as subs.
Has any English club ever fielded a team wholly comprised of black players before, and after we were the last club to have an entirely English team back in the 90s, do you agree it would be a positive thing for the club if we were the first team to have all black outfield players?
If for nothing else, imagine John Terry's face.
One thing that puzzles me is the severe lack of British born Asians playing at a professional level. Surely there must be some out there that could make the step up from amateur/semi pro to full time professional football.
One thing that puzzles me is the severe lack of British born Asians playing at a professional level. Surely there must be some out there that could make the step up from amateur/semi pro to full time professional football.
Easah Suliman in our academy is one. There have been a few like Michael Chopra, Harpal Singh etc but no real big stars. There was one at Fulham too with a Z in his name but I've forgot him.
It is odd as there are plenty of British Asian cricketers so it can't be because of cultural issues/family pressure, which is what I often hear people say.
One thing that puzzles me is the severe lack of British born Asians playing at a professional level. Surely there must be some out there that could make the step up from amateur/semi pro to full time professional football.
Easah Suliman in our academy is one. There have been a few like Michael Chopra, Harpal Singh etc but no real big stars. There was one at Fulham too with a Z in his name but I've forgot him.
It is odd as there are plenty of British Asian cricketers so it can't be because of cultural issues/family pressure, which is what I often hear people say.
Outfield players is a curiosity in the OP.
I was always curious about Shaka Hislop and David James too. They weren't the first of course but in terms of the English game, previous to them I'd never really noticed any Goalies of African ancestry. There have been a few but not so many relatively speaking compared to other positions.
Outfield players is a curiosity in the OP.
I was always curious about Shaka Hislop and David James too. They weren't the first of course but in terms of the English game, previous to them I'd never really noticed any Goalies of African ancestry. There have been a few but not so many relatively speaking compared to other positions.
Outfield players is a curiosity in the OP.
I was always curious about Shaka Hislop and David James too. They weren't the first of course but in terms of the English game, previous to them I'd never really noticed any Goalies of African ancestry. There have been a few but not so many relatively speaking compared to other positions.
we're all of African ancestry :-)
One thing that puzzles me is the severe lack of British born Asians playing at a professional level. Surely there must be some out there that could make the step up from amateur/semi pro to full time professional football.
Easah Suliman in our academy is one. There have been a few like Michael Chopra, Harpal Singh etc but no real big stars. There was one at Fulham too with a Z in his name but I've forgot him.
It is odd as there are plenty of British Asian cricketers so it can't be because of cultural issues/family pressure, which is what I often hear people say.
I think there might have been two at Fulham, one a Villa fan. Zac Rehman or summat.
Outfield players is a curiosity in the OP.
I was always curious about Shaka Hislop and David James too. They weren't the first of course but in terms of the English game, previous to them I'd never really noticed any Goalies of African ancestry. There have been a few but not so many relatively speaking compared to other positions.
Alex Williams at Man City in the seventies. Kevin Keelan who was born in India played for us in 1961 and forever for Norwich.
Fuckin' hell.Outfield players is a curiosity in the OP.
I was always curious about Shaka Hislop and David James too. They weren't the first of course but in terms of the English game, previous to them I'd never really noticed any Goalies of African ancestry. There have been a few but not so many relatively speaking compared to other positions.
we're all of African ancestry :-)
We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?8 at a time when Everton had still never had a black player
We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?8 at a time when Everton had still never had a black player
Who ?We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?8 at a time when Everton had still never had a black player
They did I think....Cliff Marshall
Who ?We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?8 at a time when Everton had still never had a black player
They did I think....Cliff Marshall
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin is
We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?
Yorke, Atkinson, Regis, McGrath, Daley, Small and possibly Paul Mortimer...?
Earl Barrett?
I know its not mean in a bad way whatsoever but this thread is now kind of out of date. From threads about having black players being relevant about 15 years ago how many are in the team is now so old hat that it is redundant. Quite simply I know longer care how many, if any, black players are in the team. Black players do not find barriers in the playing sphere of football so the number is a moot point. How many are coaches and managers is more important as there still seems to be a barrier there, so, save any pride for Villa leading from the front again when the chance comes. Also, as has been pointed out, the next playing barrier would be to get more sub-continent Asians into the game at any level.
I know its not mean in a bad way whatsoever but this thread is now kind of out of date. From threads about having black players being relevant about 15 years ago how many are in the team is now so old hat that it is redundant. Quite simply I know longer care how many, if any, black players are in the team. Black players do not find barriers in the playing sphere of football so the number is a moot point. How many are coaches and managers is more important as there still seems to be a barrier there, so, save any pride for Villa leading from the front again when the chance comes. Also, as has been pointed out, the next playing barrier would be to get more sub-continent Asians into the game at any level.
When we've got a game tonight because a bunch of racist morons are marching tomorrow, I like the message it sends out that we have a team that is dominated by black players. There might not be barriers to playing for black players, but there are still plenty of racist incidents, so whether I'm wrong or right I think it's something for the club and the city to be proud of.
Outfield players is a curiosity in the OP.
I was always curious about Shaka Hislop and David James too. They weren't the first of course but in terms of the English game, previous to them I'd never really noticed any Goalies of African ancestry. There have been a few but not so many relatively speaking compared to other positions.
we're all of African ancestry :-)
I'm from Mars
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
I know its not mean in a bad way whatsoever but this thread is now kind of out of date. From threads about having black players being relevant about 15 years ago how many are in the team is now so old hat that it is redundant. Quite simply I know longer care how many, if any, black players are in the team. Black players do not find barriers in the playing sphere of football so the number is a moot point. How many are coaches and managers is more important as there still seems to be a barrier there, so, save any pride for Villa leading from the front again when the chance comes. Also, as has been pointed out, the next playing barrier would be to get more sub-continent Asians into the game at any level.
When we've got a game tonight because a bunch of racist morons are marching tomorrow, I like the message it sends out that we have a team that is dominated by black players. There might not be barriers to playing for black players, but there are still plenty of racist incidents, so whether I'm wrong or right I think it's something for the club and the city to be proud of.
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
Risso's like that bloke that shouts something racist and turns to his black 'friend', "No offence mate". Black friend thinks, "No off course not"
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
Risso's like that bloke that shouts something racist and turns to his black 'friend', "No offence mate". Black friend thinks, "No off course not"
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
Risso's like that bloke that shouts something racist and turns to his black 'friend', "No offence mate". Black friend thinks, "No off course not"
I am?
I think you set yourself up by your poor choice of words. It does have the ring of the old chestnut "I'm not racist some of my best friends are black but............"I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
Risso's like that bloke that shouts something racist and turns to his black 'friend', "No offence mate". Black friend thinks, "No off course not"
I am?
Really good poem about him - and racism in football generally - that I used to use with my classes...Outfield players is a curiosity in the OP.
I was always curious about Shaka Hislop and David James too. They weren't the first of course but in terms of the English game, previous to them I'd never really noticed any Goalies of African ancestry. There have been a few but not so many relatively speaking compared to other positions.
Alex Williams at Man City in the seventies. Kevin Keelan who was born in India played for us in 1961 and forever for Norwich.
Way before then, there was Arthur Wharton:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29532529
According to legend, to avoid being shoulder charged by opposition players, he used to swing on the crossbar and catch the ball between his legs!!
I think you set yourself up by your poor choice of words. It does have the ring of the old chestnut "I'm not racist some of my best friends are black but............"I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
Risso's like that bloke that shouts something racist and turns to his black 'friend', "No offence mate". Black friend thinks, "No off course not"
I am?
What I was trying to say was that your opening words made me think straight away of the old phrase that I mentioned. I wasn't having a go at you and I apologise if that's how I came across.I think you set yourself up by your poor choice of words. It does have the ring of the old chestnut "I'm not racist some of my best friends are black but............"I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
Risso's like that bloke that shouts something racist and turns to his black 'friend', "No offence mate". Black friend thinks, "No off course not"
I am?
Could you explain why it was a poor choice of words? In fact, don't bother, I thought it would be something worthy of mention, but obviously not.
Isn't the key point of the "I'm not racist but....." thing that the person then goes on to say something racist?
I know its not mean in a bad way whatsoever but this thread is now kind of out of date. From threads about having black players being relevant about 15 years ago how many are in the team is now so old hat that it is redundant. Quite simply I know longer care how many, if any, black players are in the team. Black players do not find barriers in the playing sphere of football so the number is a moot point. How many are coaches and managers is more important as there still seems to be a barrier there, so, save any pride for Villa leading from the front again when the chance comes. Also, as has been pointed out, the next playing barrier would be to get more sub-continent Asians into the game at any level.
When we've got a game tonight because a bunch of racist morons are marching tomorrow, I like the message it sends out that we have a team that is dominated by black players. There might not be barriers to playing for black players, but there are still plenty of racist incidents, so whether I'm wrong or right I think it's something for the club and the city to be proud of.
Oh I fully get your point and you're right. i'm just saying that nowadays we should be past being proud of allowing black people to have the same rights and employment opportunities as white people. I think we should celebrate being multi cultural but only if black people, and others, feel they can and should join in too. Are black people proud of Villa and the amount of black people in the team/squad nowadays? I just think that we are so successful at it in this city that we barely notice it. My mates are largely black and I doubt they care that much either. Its something that we don't celebrate enough as a city though.
As an aside one of the most amazing things for football firms in the 70s and 80s and what set the Zulus apart was that they were completely multi racial. The only firm of the time that was. Even then we were first as a city.
Will be interesting if the press pick up on how many black players start tonight or are in the match day squad. I hope not, though, as it has a slightly anachronistic feel to it.
I thought that said wanky thing!
I'll add to the Risso love-in, never ever been a hint of racism from him. It's just been a bit of joshing by posters that has been taken the wrong way/gone a bit ott.
Agree Percy. He's been daft, stupid, insensitive, angry, dismissive, nonsensical, comical, wrong, belligerent, difficult, foolish, clown like, miserable, but I have never, ever heard him spout anything racist.
No offence Riss...
WINKY THANG
Don't care if we sign bright green players as long as they do the shirt justice. But this is another indicator of just how great the Premier League and football in this country generally is. There are still countries in Europe a hell of a long way behind us with regards to diversity and acceptance and though we've got a game tonight on account of an EDL march, bollocks like this isn't as commonplace in our country as it used to be, nor as it still is in some other countries.
Frankly the lot that Timmy has signed has got me genuinely excited about this season. It could all go horribly wrong, but...BUT...we could pulls peoples pants down this season and surprise them. We've taken a gamble, but it's an exciting one which could pay off fantastically.
There's still time...he just needs to move to France and pull a Downey Jnr in Tropic Thunder.Don't care if we sign bright green players as long as they do the shirt justice. But this is another indicator of just how great the Premier League and football in this country generally is. There are still countries in Europe a hell of a long way behind us with regards to diversity and acceptance and though we've got a game tonight on account of an EDL march, bollocks like this isn't as commonplace in our country as it used to be, nor as it still is in some other countries.
Frankly the lot that Timmy has signed has got me genuinely excited about this season. It could all go horribly wrong, but...BUT...we could pulls peoples pants down this season and surprise them. We've taken a gamble, but it's an exciting one which could pay off fantastically.
When did we sign Adam Johnson?
It's a bit late for that now, Paulie. Risso was put inside a wicker man near his home at around 5pm and burned to death.
I absolutely do not think that the Risso's post is racist.
But I do not see the point.
After the iconic claret and blue shirt suffered the worst humiliations in the recent past, I would like 11 outfield good players no matter if they are black, white, yellow or blue.
I absolutely do not think that the Risso's post is racist.
But I do not see the point.
After the iconic claret and blue shirt suffered the worst humiliations in the recent past, I would like 11 outfield good players no matter if they are black, white, yellow or blue.
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
I'll start this off by saying that I don't care what colour a player's skin isRACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^ - RACIST ^^^
Sort yourself out it isn't racist to talk about race.
We did set the record for playing the most black players in a game 20 years ago or so. It was at Everton, of all places. How many did we play? 7?
Yorke, Atkinson, Regis, McGrath, Daley, Small and possibly Paul Mortimer...?
Earl Barrett?
No, Barrett signed later in the season.
I've since looked it up and I was right on all except Mortimer, wonder if anyone can get the seventh without looking up? I was there that day, but in actual fact hadn't remembered the score.
Let's clear this up. There's not a hint of racism in anything Risso's ever posted, and I have a forensic nose and a good memory where racism is concerned.
Let's clear this up. There's not a hint of racism in anything Risso's ever posted, and I have a forensic nose and a good memory where racism is concerned.
Not sure about that. Have you ever played a Belle & Sebastian record backwards?
The Klan would be proud.
How many are coaches and managers is more important as there still seems to be a barrier there, so, save any pride for Villa leading from the front again when the chance comes.
How many are coaches and managers is more important as there still seems to be a barrier there, so, save any pride for Villa leading from the front again when the chance comes.
I think the club are heading in the right direction, we have afterall appointed an orange manager.