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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: frank black on August 11, 2015, 08:52:39 PM
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Have we ever had a team representing so many nations before?
England, USA, Senegal, France, Scotland, Ireland, Switzerland, Ghana, Spain, Columbia, Holland and Denmark.
Not sure if I've missed any. We are the UN of the Premier league.
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Benin
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Not sure if I've missed any. We are the UN of the Premier league.
Watford might have something to say about that - 22 different nationalities in their first team squad, and eleven different in their starting eleven against Everton at the weekend.
As for others - Benin and Czech Republic. Plus Bulgaria and St Lucia if you want to count Tonev and Donacien.
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Of course Toronto, can't believe I missed that one as I had to have a quick look on tinterweb to locate Benin when he signed.
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GK Guzan USA
RB Bacuna Netherlands
LB Amavi France
CB Okore Denmark
CB Senderos Switzerland
MID Gana GueyeSenegal
MID Sanchez Colombia
WING Gil Spain
WING Ayu Ghana
ATT Kozak Czech Republic
ATT Gestede Benin
We can have a team made up of eleven different non-British Isles nationalities, with a Bulgarian and Saint Lucian on the books and a Malian and Togolese rumoured.
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Grealish could be Irish or English!
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WING Gyan Ghana
I don't think we'd match the crazy wages that he's getting in China.
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GK Guzan USA
RB Bacuna Netherlands
LB Amavi France
CB Okore Denmark
CB Senderos Switzerland
MID Gana GueyeSenegal
MID Sanchez Colombia
WING Gil Spain
WING Gyan Ghana
ATT Kozak Czech Republic
ATT Gestede Benin
We can have a team made up of eleven different non-British Isles nationalities, with a Bulgarian and Saint Lucian on the books and a Malian and Togolese rumoured.
Weren't we the last Premier League side to field an entirely English XI ?
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WING Gyan Ghana
I don't think we'd match the crazy wages that he's getting in China.
Where did I get that from? I've edited it now. I was trying so hard not to put "Ghana" after "Gana" I fucked the name of the player up that actually does come from there.
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and we still can pick English XI
Bunn,
Richards, Baker, Kinsella, Richardson
Sinclair, Westwood, Cole, Grealish
Agbonlahor, Robinson.
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Weren't we the last Premier League side to field an entirely English XI ?
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I think so. The 4-1 home defeat to Coventry back in '99?
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UKIP are furious.
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The African Cup of Nations will be more exciting to watch, we should have a few people playing in it.
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That's why there's an EDL march in the city on Saturday!
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and we still can pick English XI
Bunn,
Richards, Baker, Kinsella, Richardson
Sinclair, Westwood, Cole, Grealish
Agbonlahor, Robinson.
H&V set the days training program at Bodymoor Heath... 'England vs the Rest of the World'
better than running around a few cones I suppose!
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and we still can pick English XI
Bunn,
Richards, Baker, Kinsella, Richardson
Sinclair, Westwood, Cole, Grealish
Agbonlahor, Robinson.
Hmmmmm...
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Clark's English as well
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Clark's English as well
Well, only if you're also going to insist that Gestede is French and that Okore is Ivorian.
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Clark's English as well
Well, only if you're also going to insist that Gestede is French and that Okore is Ivorian.
Clark - born here, raised here, lived here all his life and represented our youth teams
Gestede - born in France, raised there, lived there all his life, has a French parent and represented the French youth teams
Okore - born in Ivory Coast, moved to Denmark aged 3 and was raised there, played for their youth team
Jores grew up in and lived most of his life in Denmark, product of Danish football academies and Danish schools. He is Danish.
Clark is English, Gestede is French and Okore is Danish. Can say they are English of Irish descent, French of Beninois descent or Dansh of Ivorian descent but that's what they are.
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Clark is English, Gestede is French and Okore is Danish. Can say they are English of Irish descent, French of Beninois descent or Dansh of Ivorian descent but that's what they are.
In football terms, Clark is Irish, Gestede is Beninois and Okore is Danish. As those are the countries that they have chosen to represent, and what this thread is about.
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Clark is English, Gestede is French and Okore is Danish. Can say they are English of Irish descent, French of Beninois descent or Dansh of Ivorian descent but that's what they are.
In football terms, Clark is Irish, Gestede is Beninois and Okore is Danish. As those are the countries that they have chosen to represent, and what this thread is about.
In football terms yes but I am agreeing with Redsox.
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and we still can pick English XI
Bunn,
Richards, Baker, Kinsella, Richardson
Sinclair, Westwood, Cole, Grealish
Agbonlahor, Robinson.
H&V set the days training program at Bodymoor Heath... 'England vs the Rest of the World'
better than running around a few cones I suppose!
Sounds like a return to the days of Big Ron.
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Clark's English as well
Well, only if you're also going to insist that Gestede is French and that Okore is Ivorian.
Clark - born here, raised here, lived here all his life and represented our youth teams
Gestede - born in France, raised there, lived there all his life, has a French parent and represented the French youth teams
Okore - born in Ivory Coast, moved to Denmark aged 3 and was raised there, played for their youth team
Jores grew up in and lived most of his life in Denmark, product of Danish football academies and Danish schools. He is Danish.
Clark is English, Gestede is French and Okore is Danish. Can say they are English of Irish descent, French of Beninois descent or Dansh of Ivorian descent but that's what they are.
Speaking as a proud Irishman, albeit one born and bred in Birmingham, there are few things that irk me more than some arrogant so and so setting out his own ill-informed opinions on nationality as indisputable fact.
Who on earth are you to tell somebody what they are and what they are not? Clark CHOSE to play for Ireland at a time when he was very highly rated indeed by those within the England set-up, which says everything about how he sees himself.
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I think eventually players will be free to represent more than one country, I think its unfair to make someone play for just one country when they have dual nationalities. Especially in scenarios where they will never play again for the country they once chose to represent.
Eg Gabby will never get another England cap but is possibly good enough to play for Nigeria, so it's unfair on players.
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Clark's English as well
Well, only if you're also going to insist that Gestede is French and that Okore is Ivorian.
Clark - born here, raised here, lived here all his life and represented our youth teams
Gestede - born in France, raised there, lived there all his life, has a French parent and represented the French youth teams
Okore - born in Ivory Coast, moved to Denmark aged 3 and was raised there, played for their youth team
Jores grew up in and lived most of his life in Denmark, product of Danish football academies and Danish schools. He is Danish.
Clark is English, Gestede is French and Okore is Danish. Can say they are English of Irish descent, French of Beninois descent or Dansh of Ivorian descent but that's what they are.
Speaking as a proud Irishman, albeit one born and bred in Birmingham, there are few things that irk me more than some arrogant so and so setting out his own ill-informed opinions on nationality as indisputable fact.
Who on earth are you to tell somebody what they are and what they are not? Clark CHOSE to play for Ireland at a time when he was very highly rated indeed by those within the England set-up, which says everything about how he sees himself.
To be fair who are you to say what Clarkes motives were for when he chose to play for Ireland? I can't comprehend that he could have ever possibly thought he could be an England regular and can only assume he chose Ireland because it was his best bet at International football.
I also find it very difficult to imagine someone being born and raised in one country but still see themselves as a different nationality although this is common place these days in England and I am saying that as someone who was not born in the UK and has duel nationality. If you go to America you will find that everyone is half Irish but couldn't point Ireland out on the map.
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Ciaran Clark was twenty-one when he made his international debut. At the same age Gary Cahill was trying and failing to even get in the Villa team while Phil Jagielka was at Sheffield United.
I think it's unlikely that he'd already, as you suggest, decided that he'd never be good enough for England, as you suggest.
Maybe he just played for Ireland... because they asked him to?
And I don't really see anything wrong with a son of two Irish parents considering himself to be Irish.
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Speaking as a proud Irishman, albeit one born and bred in Birmingham, there are few things that irk me more than some arrogant so and so setting out his own ill-informed opinions on nationality as indisputable fact.
Who on earth are you to tell somebody what they are and what they are not? Clark CHOSE to play for Ireland at a time when he was very highly rated indeed by those within the England set-up, which says everything about how he sees himself.
Schooled here, born here and grew up here. He's English of Irish descent.
I have very little English blood myself, mom's side is Caribbean dad is Northern Irish, I'm English as that's where I was born and grew up.